dnd-discussion

[narrow moss]

you'd think that and yet...

[glad barn]

That is probably the last god you want to go up against lol

It is literally the god entire assassin's guilds pray to >_>

Maybe the god of wheat or something.

[narrow moss]

if you think angry mobs of farmers aren't scarier then you got another thing coming

[glad barn]

"Hell yeah, I am now the Potato Queen" or whatever.

[tardy thistle]

God of magic just reset her character the moment you duel her 💔

[glad barn]

Hey, if you become the wheat god and immediately make all wheat bloom, farmers will be like "Alright"

[tardy thistle]

She died so many times i lost count

[narrow moss]

tbh i think 'murdering' the god of murder would just up your god cred

[glad barn]

I take a "Death can only die last" approach to that

[tardy thistle]

Ummm, i think it would create a paradox or sum

[narrow moss]

probably

[tardy thistle]

To murder the concept of murder itself

[narrow moss]

lol

[tardy thistle]

Yeah im def challenge bane first

[narrow moss]

the domain still exists just not the god

for a moment at least.

I'm sure something would def happen in the world though you don't do things like that without consequences

it's not like death would die either.

[tardy thistle]

A world without tyrants is just pure communism ?

[empty thicket]

If i do a campaign, i will make the "gods" being just some sort of power that need a vessel.
The Vessel get turned into some sort of "avatar" of the god and follow a path. The twist would be that some vessels are different than another
Example:
God of love, vessel want to get rid off the hatred god but dont know that it will bring an unbalance.
And i say that about the "avatars" because would let me make a fight against a "god" without breaking the balance.

[tardy thistle]

Why do i think abt black myth wukong the moment i read this

[narrow moss]

dunno

[glad barn]

Despite me hating it as a game from almost every perspective, one thing I liked from FF8 is the idea that when a god takes you over as an avatar, you slowly start to lose all memories until you just literally become a way for the god to move around that part of the world. Like a puppet.

[narrow moss]

man i love ff8 it was my first game in that series.

[glad barn]

It is my 15th favorite final fantasy >_>

[narrow moss]

well you're allowed to be wrong :3

[tardy thistle]

Gods is concept, concept have conciousness, concept wants body, god takes over body, body evolve, body losing body's memories or humanity, god is reborn

[empty thicket]

Yep, something like this would be but i would make it that the person or "vessel" can corrupt the gods ways.

[glad barn]

Ye.

[narrow moss]

as for gods and all that I have a story idea where the gods can never properly walk the world because... their power would basically end everything from just existing that way. So they need willing vessels to act through if they have to at all.

and even then they'd only get a small portion.

it's not unique by any means but i do like it.

[glad barn]

I have big gods and little gods and demi gods and quasigods and lesser and greater deities all jumbled up with things at or around their power level that are not gods at all

[tardy thistle]

I dont thinking letting the concept of diarrhea walking around is a good idea

[narrow moss]

lol

[glad barn]

Plane of Mud like :(

[tardy thistle]

💔

[narrow moss]

and yet we do allow those concepts to do just that, Swirl.

[snow agate]

maybe im clueless but why do dms ask for character concepts before you've even gotten to brainstorm with the group

[narrow moss]

to see if it'd fit the setting or not.

[humble cairn]

You mean an Excremental?

[tardy thistle]

The inevitable

[glad barn]

I dunno. I ask players to show up to the first session with 0 concepts if possible.

[snow agate]

yeah i just still dont get it tbh

[empty thicket]

Idk, i would make my party slowly become stronger and stronger until reaching such levels like a final path.
Maybe i make the party get into a lvl 15 or more starter characters and get TPK for start the campaign and that drive the principal party

[glad barn]

We dont even know what we're doing, how the heck are we coming up with characters lol

[narrow moss]

just a different dm style.

[tardy thistle]

Maybe, yes.

[humble cairn]

Golgothan Fecal Demon, made from the waste from criminals executed at Golgotha.

[empty thicket]

i have some in the head

or at least principal plot points from where to work.

[tardy thistle]

There is a shit demon exists in dnd? My knowlegde is still small

[humble cairn]

Oh this isn't from D&D, it's a reference a movie.

[glad barn]

When I start a campaign, usually it goes like... "Okay, let's first decide on a system. Then we pick a genre or theme y'all want. Now let's pick a setting that fits both of those things. Now let's figure out what y'all want to do as a table. NOW let's come up with characters"

[wispy flax]

Hey, question. Is DnD Online any good? I'm getting an itch to play it or something like it.

[narrow moss]

DDO? i haven't played in years.

idk how it might have changed if at all in that time so.

this is all assuming you mean the game I think you do lol

[wispy flax]

And if I do play DDO, I really wouldn't know where to start.

[snow agate]

i just dunno what kind of answer they expect; idk why I'd want to have players with characters made before they even have an idea of where we're starting or who they're playing with

[pearl hedge]

i'm thinking my next character should be a firbolg

[narrow moss]

you start with the tutorial.

well after char creation but hey i just assume you'll do that a few diff times before you get one you like.

[glad barn]

Yeah. Just mismatched expectations. I suppose some DMs would rather try to wrangle concepts.

[humble cairn]

Go full Bigfoot.

[snow agate]

i suppose so

[pearl hedge]

meh, i just want to be a cowfolk and firbolgs are the closest official race

[glad barn]

Minotaur? >_>

[pearl hedge]

yea but na

[humble cairn]

Yeah minotaur exists, as well as Shifter.

[glad barn]

Could also reskin Orc or Satyr

[humble cairn]

Firbolgs looking bovine is relatively recent, I think it's a Critical Role innovation.

[narrow moss]

-# hides his notes on satyr atm

[glad barn]

Oh that's wild.

[snow agate]

i dont think ive witnessed a firbolg literally ever

[humble cairn]

Before that, Firbolgs were basically druidy giantkin.

[glad barn]

In my head Firbolgs are like, almost Where The Wild Things Are adjacent lol

[narrow moss]

aren't they fuzzy things?

[snow agate]

yeah they're hairy woodsmen

[narrow moss]

man i have no idea.

[glad barn]

I picture a cross between a cave troll and a Jim Henson muppet

[humble cairn]

In older editions they were basically large, somewhat hairy, humanoids.

[snow agate]

accurate

[narrow moss]

nope don't like that.

i like the large hairy humanoid instead of bovine

[humble cairn]

But as of Critical Role art, they look like cow people.

[glad barn]

Stuff like this https://ychef.files.bbci.co.uk/976x549/p0fpt94l.jpg

[narrow moss]

i'm sure it's a joy to watch but i'd rather not consider crit role as canon in anything lol

[glad barn]

Even got an owlbear in there lol

[tardy thistle]

Owlbear is an icon

[humble cairn]

It's as canon as anything else, which is to say, not.

Everyone's canon is their own.

[narrow moss]

i know but some people you know will be like 'that's not how they do it on critical role'

[humble cairn]

... and?

[narrow moss]

and i will slap them. I will. Don't stop me.

[snow agate]

over the internet assuredly

[tardy thistle]

Dungeon meshi's dungeon ecosystem will be an interesting world building materials

[humble cairn]

I think Critical Role is great! I also think my own table's innovations are just as great.

[narrow moss]

might watch one of their campaigns one day but i just haven't bothered yet.

and for the record am not saying I dislike the show i just don't want people to treat it like wog cuz it's popular lol

people who do that annoy me with any show/media.

[glad barn]

I tried watching it 3 times, couldnt get past the first episode, decided I prefer Mercer separate from that table just talking shop lol >_>

[narrow moss]

yeah i'm afraid i won't like it if i watch it lol

[tardy thistle]

I hate it when peoples idolize my favorite show

[snow agate]

thats understandable never been a fan of watching liveplay

[glad barn]

I dont like most actual plays. Acquisitions Inc was weirdly perfect out the gate.

For me, anyway. But I like Jerry and Mike, and Perkins was their dang DM

[narrow moss]

yeah idolizing is never... it doesn't end well usually

i will refrain from providing a recent example.

[snow agate]

the incredibles movie?

[narrow moss]

...sure. let's go with that.

[tardy thistle]

KPOP demon hunter

[narrow moss]

okay but why does a kpop demon hunter sound like an interesting idea.

[tardy thistle]

💔

[tardy thistle]

No it is an actual show on netflix

[narrow moss]

awww sounds more fun as a character idea

[glad barn]

KPOP Demon Hunter, as in Netflix, signed a deal with hasbro for Hasbro to make a bunch of merch and crossovers with them

Including an MTG thing, which always has the chance of crossing over into D&D lol

[narrow moss]

man when i found out how many crossovers have been done with mtg cards i just... stared blankly i guess

[snow agate]

the incredibles is interesting because it shows that the incredibles family idolizes the dad and its a good influence, he idolizes his peers and its a good influence, yet syndrome idolizes but is deeply insecure and will never live up to expectation, so it ferments envy and hate in his soul

[narrow moss]

true

[glad barn]

Well, Final Fantasy x MTG made more money from them than they've ever made selling cardboard.

So their CFO in between making other bad decisions was like "LETS SEE IF WE CAN GET THE JACK IN THE BOX GUY IN RAVNICA"

Now the Avatar set didn't hit at all, and they're banking on their next sets while their competitive scene cracks in half over the Spiderman card "Bagel with Schmear" and Vivi from FF9 breaking tournaments.

All in the service of getting more money out of the only thing out of WOTC that makes any money.

Anywho how about them dungeons.

[narrow moss]

which avatar tho

the good one or the really bad one.

[humble cairn]

Sounds awesome considering how much work that team did to incorporate cool Korean occult and folkore stuff into their show. I love that kind of stuff, the details were very fun to research.

[glad barn]

The series seems to be doing well. They also made a deal with Mattel, so I imagine they're going to be kind of everywhere. It wouldn't be crazy for them to do at least a Red Nose Day adventure type thing in that direction.

And I don't know which Avatar is the good one or the bad one, but this was for the one with the bald kid and not the blue lady.

[tardy thistle]

A boring, realisictic dnd campaign about PCs going to work 9-5 at a mc donald

[snow agate]

atp just get a job instead of playing dnd

[glad barn]

Actually, there is a way to make it fun, which my table calls Lv 0

Just make a PC with no class, and like, try to do stuff in Faerun? >_>

[narrow moss]

is that fun?

also bald kid is good avatar.

-# but not the movie they tried to do

[limber trail]

the movie does still keep the avatar as bald

[narrow moss]

about the only thing they did right.

imagine being a kiddo and hearing that they're gonna make that show into a movie, only to find out who's directing it.

but bad avatar is the movie with the aliens.

[humble cairn]

What movie? There was never an Avatar the Last Airbender Movie. There was a Netflix adaptation which was decent, but never a movie. There is no War in Ba Sing Se.

[narrow moss]

there is no movie in ba sing se

[inner silo]

There was a atla movie?

[narrow moss]

lol

[glad barn]

I really like Lv 0s. You see players finally using their entire character sheet because there are no I win buttons.

Theres no sneak attacks or rages or cantrips. Just 18 skills, 6 ability scores, items and what you can convince people to help you with

Rent's due on Monday, every Monday.

[narrow moss]

and hey if you want to play a warlock you get to make the pact as a lvl 0 one day

that part could be cool. end of the lv 0 tho so obvs teh last thing you'd do

[glad barn]

Yeah, we usually do one session of Lv 0 for two reasons. One so they can find their voice as a character, two so tehy can have that Being bit by radioactive spider bit

But sometimes that stretches out to 4-5 sessions

And then you can time skip or just start the campaign proper.

[snow agate]

I wish more DMs had a sort of lighthearted or personal stakes portion of the game

Always rushing into defeating god or getting ganked by demons

[glad barn]

Yeah, keeping tension involves adding levity or it snaps

[narrow moss]

yeah if i'm going off to kill a god i'd want to be like... high level? at least?

[snow agate]

I’ve been in games where the gods* lmao are meddling or our enemies by like level 5 😭

[narrow moss]

i don't want to do that stuff at 5

[snow agate]

Me neither

[narrow moss]

maybe stop a small cult but not vecna

or whatever big bad is out there.

[glad barn]

I have had a dragon take out 300+ soldiers in one series of attacks vs Lv 1 PCs >_>

[narrow moss]

believe it or not i'd rather not speedrun the story game.

[glad barn]

I just kind of wanted to make it obvious it was not a fight, lol. Subtle DM tip

[snow agate]

It runs into sort of a narrative trap too, where you’re ultimately helpless if a big scary literal deity wants to be your enemy, but you have to take him down, but he doesn’t stop you somehow?

[narrow moss]

that's easily solved with 'they're not a threat and i have a world to conquer here'

there's tropes you can rely on for that stuff.

[snow agate]

Yeah and at that point why is he our opp to begin with 😭

[narrow moss]

because EVILLLLL

[snow agate]

Too common

[narrow moss]

yeah

[snow agate]

I want to engage with smaller stakes like villages or towns or kingdoms more

[narrow moss]

same

don't introduce the world ending plot until like 10 at least and even then i should level up some amount of times before tackling these big powerful thingies

maybe more than 10 but you get the idea.

just depends i guess.

[snow agate]

It’s also cuz like let’s be real
You need us to defeat the big world ending threat? Is there nobody else around? Where’s the dragons? The angels? The high level mages? How did this happen

[narrow moss]

where's all the other adventurers higher level than us

even the retired ones would do more at this point.

[snow agate]

It doesn’t even need to be adventurers! Literally anything strong with a pulse who doesn’t want the world to end

[narrow moss]

i know, but i'm making a point like... even if you only use adventurers, why not the strongest ones you have?

[snow agate]

“Cuz that’s what the plot demands”

[narrow moss]

if they can't do it level 5's can't. screw 'destiny' too.

[hollow stone]

i mean, who said it was just you?

[narrow moss]

destiny as teh default trope i mean. It can be done right but yeah.

[snow agate]

As a certified minion, if my boss gets folded, im going home, im not seeking vengeance

[narrow moss]

you don't get paid to be vengeful

[snow agate]

I don’t live if im vengeful 😭

[narrow moss]

-# if you get paid at all.

i suddenly want a big bad that treats his minions well and like a business.

[snow agate]

That would be refreshing

[narrow moss]

'they say i'm evil because i don't abuse my workers'

[hollow stone]

it can absolutely be like 17,000 different groups trying to jump the same deity if the deity wants the ones so bad, the only difference is that, because news has a bad time getting anywhere in fantasy settings because those usually happen before the printing press, you're the only group going after them that you know about

[snow agate]

Could be a blue dragon very easily

[narrow moss]

lol

i mean these guys are still trying to conquer the world and do some bad things but hey. worker's rights.

[snow agate]

Free dental?

[narrow moss]

hey don't knock free dental.

[snow agate]

Free dental got me questioning my faith in lathander…

[hollow stone]

oh isn't this just Doctor Doom?

[narrow moss]

nah doctor doom is an edgelord

[hollow stone]

not workers, citizens of Latveria, but close enough

[narrow moss]

insane confidence tho

[snow agate]

Real talk how many people would make deals with the devil or become warlocks if it came with a retirement plan and a break room

[narrow moss]

as for anything in the comics, there's no way i could keep up with that.

i wouldn't be a fiend warlock. I might, however, make a pact with the fey. I'm not saying it's better though.

[snow agate]

I’d rather deal with fiends than fey tbh

[narrow moss]

yeah maybe

[snow agate]

Fey are annoying to be annoying, fiends are annoying because they want to hurt you or others, at least the second option has a reason

[hollow stone]

nah his entire ball is "you can't arrest me because of diplomatic immunity", and the part of his actual country is "yea he absolutely hates those four weird astronaut people but this is literally one of the best countries on the planet so we don't care"

[timid current]

doom breaks bread with Conan, he's not an edgelord

[hollow stone]

Doom is absolutely an aura farmer tho, which can be perceived as edgy (i.e. Darth Vader)

[narrow moss]

he talks about himself in the third person a lot.

[red steppe]

Is there such a thing as overly competent BBEG?

[humble cairn]

That's a David Xanatos type villain.

Look up the Xanatos Gambit on tvtropes.

[hollow stone]

i mean, the better they are at capitalizing on the party's mistakes, the harder the game will be

[hollow stone]

i did just google this and this is that, yea, this is a good analogy

[hollow stone]

don't forget that it's realistic for villains to make mistakes or initiate bad choices, people make mistakes, and that's not just limited to the protagonists, but also antagonists and side characters. keep tiny, intentional weakpoints in the plan that any sufficiently clever group of like 3 people could put together and make the plan explode

[narrow moss]

sometimes the overly competent overlord is only accounting for logical and common choices

he might not be prepared for a mental state that is just absolutely unhinged and yet no less smart.

might account for some of that but nobody can truly cover everything.

plus like dm gotta let you win somehow right? or give you a chance for it.

[humble cairn]

Overly competent Big Bads can easily become Sympathetic Villains, if that's what you want. If you want to prevent that, you need to give them one big moral oversight.

[narrow moss]

yep

[hollow stone]

oh, also good to remember: evil people, even irl, tend to be at least a little dumb. the more a person does bad things that they know are bad on purpose, the more probable it is that they are just generally not the brightest

[narrow moss]

i don't agree with that because it's dangerous.

[humble cairn]

Ehhh ...

[narrow moss]

some people just choose to be evil even knowing that it is evil. because... they want to.

[humble cairn]

There are some very smart and very bad people who have just seen how the world works and have decided, "More for me, screw everyone else" and use their intelligence to further that.

[narrow moss]

mmhmm

[hollow stone]

yea, and a lot of evil people try to be that, and fumble at the part where that isn't always necessarily them

[humble cairn]

Sometimes that "me and mine" can be a big enough circle that it looks like they're being nice.

[narrow moss]

the smart ones aren't on the radar most the time.

i look to see who the ones are that stand behind the loudmouths.

i worry they're biding their time.

i hope they're just idiots lol.

in fiction though you do want them to be a little dumb in something.

[humble cairn]

Plenty of people are just evil enough that "me and mine" seems reasonable to a lot of other mildly selfish people.

[hollow stone]

they try to do a "get that bag at any cost" and wind up getting caught because they were so consumed in how clever their plan is that they didn't even notice that the people who aren't evil had their plan on script

[humble cairn]

This is missing the ones who have been doing it for so long that it's entrenched in the laws.

It doesn't have to actually be all that clever if you're inheriting it from generations of built up exploitation.

[hollow stone]

yea they actually kinda succeeded but the fact we can acknowledge that and that laws can change means they haven't completely won

[narrow moss]

shrugs

[humble cairn]

There is no completely anything. Plenty of them went their whole lives and to their deaths benefiting from the blood sweat and tears of everyone else and not seeing a drop of accountability.

[narrow moss]

benefit of fiction is you can write whatever you like

[humble cairn]

Sure. It's comforting to have people only as evil as the cartoonish David Xanatos.

[narrow moss]

i am tempted to have this character i want to play refer to people as lords of edges

and use fictional sources of straight lined architecture and spikes of evil kings etc as the reference.

but that might require some work to make it believable lol

[hollow stone]

this is true, nepotist villain can absolutely exist, even be sympathetic, if they're just raised on the same ideals that made their generational mideeds generational but have a tad of the ability to be convinced that they're not actually doing a good thing

[hollow stone]

idk if i'm reading this right but i'm pretty sure there is a word for a lord of a territory at the edge of a kingdom

[narrow moss]

probably. but the idea is it's just 'edgelord'

it's not supposed to be serious.

political stuff in dnd should never be like... real, you know? not too real.

unless your group really likes that i guess? even then the settings are fictional at least.

[hollow stone]

yea i think it's marquess

[narrow moss]

might keep that in mind regardless

[hollow stone]

i mean feudal hierarchical structures don't like, super super exist like at all anymore? there's still the british monarchy but that is a singular family

[narrow moss]

on the opposite side of the coin there's also some difficulty in making good yet powerful npc's that aren't just like... one or two personality traits

[inner silo]

You're right

[narrow moss]

you know, a good king with depth for instance.

[mild sable]

is dnd5.5e the 2024 edition because im trying to find an app to have my char

[narrow moss]

other than 'oh he's wise and just and generous blah blah blah'

well there's the 5e that's 2014. 2024 is the revision/update

[hollow stone]

5.5e is the 2024 edition, yes

[inner silo]

Give then a flaw like you would to a player character

[narrow moss]

so 5.5e i guess yeah.

[mild sable]

aight thx

[crisp lake]

5.5 is not the name for it, but yes

[timid current]

yeah it'd be weird if there was an elaborate system where land and property is becoming increasingly concentrated into the hands of fewer and fewer people and creating situations where you have to pay month over month to use the land, without a lot of the rights you would get through ownership. it'd be weird if the majority of people had to pay tithes to a land lord or be rendered homeless

[narrow moss]

yeah. so weird.

[mild sable]

yeah thats just how the app im using calls it

[hollow stone]

the hierarchical structure. the land economy exists, not the hierarchical structure tho, we do not still have counts

[humble cairn]

Not officially. Also ... who is "we?"

Because I think some places do actually still have counts.

[hollow stone]

wait are there countries who still have people with the title of count??

[narrow moss]

no idea and i'm not getting into it.

[humble cairn]

And I live in a country that still has a King.

[still plover]

"We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune."

[humble cairn]

So like not all "we" is the same.

[narrow moss]

something a kid's show said once. "We means you. There is no me in we."

[inner silo]

There are a lot of places that still use old hierarchy systems at least in terms of keeping some titles, they're just less known

[hollow stone]

ok i googled it and some places still have "earls" which is equivalent to a count but the title is not really impactful

it's just hereditary titleage

that being said i guess i'm just wrong, there are still counts and there's still a feudal land economy

[inner silo]

Well either way imo adding irl stuff like titles and some politics to dnd fantasy worlds makes them feel way more real and immersive

[hollow stone]

yea it's still realistic to have the titles

[still plover]

When you upset a viscount, how much trouble are you in? What about a bürgermeister?

Although such things will general be dictated by the plot and not all players will appreciate being given a run-down on the line of succession before play.

[narrow moss]

i just assume if a noble wants my guy dead i'm in trouble

how much trouble depends on how effective their title is.

and if they're like, say, the cousin to the king or something.

location location location.

[reef tundra]

I still remember the time each member of my party in an old campaign was wanted dead by each noble of the city

[narrow moss]

oh that sounds fun

[reef tundra]

My paladin was wanted dead by a priestess, the rogue was wanted dead by the sheriff, and the fighter was wanted dead by straight up the emperor himself

[narrow moss]

first two kinda make sense

what the heck did the fighter do though?

[orchid sleet]

Anyone wanna help me I wanna just get a feel to dnd I’ve only played once and really just wanna get into it mostly like 4-5 people and only 1 round

[humble cairn]

I mean there's enough lore on settings like Faerun that you don't even need to do much work. How the Nobility, the Guilds, and the Masked and Open Lords of Waterdeep work are written down in various places that aren't hard to find, for example.

Watderdeep is technically a cryptocracy and it's kind of interesting.

[hollow stone]

i mean it doesn't have to be a really major rundown, especially if they're just there to create an authority you can just have Kings, Counts, and Lords, and that's way too heavily summarized to be how it actually works but narratively that's about everything you need

[inner silo]

Yes, you're right! Just saying excluding this stuff from your campaigns can make then feel a bit flat imo

[narrow moss]

a baron in one world may be different than a baron in another world.

but it does have certain expectations for the players.

[humble cairn]

In Waterdeep you have the Noble Houses, who own the land and have the right to keep armed forces in the city as well as a portion of the taxes. Then you have the Lords, an indeterminate number of Masked Lords whose identities are secret from everyone except the Open Lord, and this is the body that makes the actual laws. Then you have the Guilds, who are the economic powerhouses.

[reef tundra]

… a few things…

[narrow moss]

uh oh

[reef tundra]

Like… trying to raise a dragon…

[glass granite]

Ok now I gotta know
Oh wowzers that’s a start

[inner silo]

Yeah, the faerun world is very well developed, and i think ignoring it for "no politics at my table" won't make for much fun, though, of course, everyone can run the game however they want and I'm not judging

[reef tundra]

And… she may or may not have… been the reason a child was… unable to reach her 18th birthday

[narrow moss]

ohhhhh so they deserved it.

probably.

[reef tundra]

Definitely

[hollow stone]

child of the emperor?

[narrow moss]

someone of some importance to the emperor most likely.

[hollow stone]

in either scenario it's bad but killing the emperor's own is insane

[reef tundra]

Orphan niece of the emperor

[glass granite]

Oooof

[narrow moss]

yeahhhhh that'd do it.

[hollow stone]

yea i'd have them hanged too

[reef tundra]

We still haven’t finished the campaign, or beat the emperor

[inner silo]

Is the rest of the party just as bad or worse?

[narrow moss]

are we the baddies

[reef tundra]

The rogue is just as diabolical

[inner silo]

Naah

[reef tundra]

We are basically the suicide squad

[narrow moss]

aren't they the 'heroes are being evil so we're all that's left' squad

[inner silo]

What about the paladin though?

It can't be that bad, paladins have oaths they have to keep track of

[reef tundra]

Paladin was me. I was literally an angel. Until I became a demon

[narrow moss]

doesn't make them good in 5e

[inner silo]

Oathbreaker?

[reef tundra]

Broke my oath to protect my child

[narrow moss]

you don't have to be lg anymore and oathbreakers are a thing too

[inner silo]

I see

[reef tundra]

Chaotic good to the core

[narrow moss]

i plan on being chaotic good

[hollow stone]

does this tie into the orphan niece emperor problem?

[inner silo]

Imagine Lawful Evil paladin of devotion or ancients

[reef tundra]

It’s very fun, playing a character who seems like a bad guy only to see that they’re actually good and they break the laws for good is cool

[narrow moss]

well i'm looking at satyr

[reef tundra]

Almost. My paladin tired to adopt her

[inner silo]

"I'm versed in the art of laughter casts Tashas Hideous Laughter on the sad orphan"

[narrow moss]

so he'll have more that 'i like all these people except those rich folk that tell people what to do'

[reef tundra]

They are classic chaotic good/neutral

[narrow moss]

typical trope i suppose but like that's ingrained for him.

[reef tundra]

I like the trope

[narrow moss]

plus he got sick of how the fey were so he just wants to party with the mundies

aka the people of the material plane.

[reef tundra]

Mundies is a good fey nickname for the material plane people

[narrow moss]

yeah, the mundane. Mundies.

i use it in a story of mine with satyrs in it.

[hollow stone]

oh yea, how alike are the fey to the fae? like the DND feywild deities to the "can i have your name?" ones of old myths?

[narrow moss]

accurate? i guess it depends on the setting/world.

[reef tundra]

Pretty much the one and the same. Just given a more pronounceable name

[narrow moss]

yeah that's my understanding

[reef tundra]

Some fey are just cheeky little tricksters, others are… horrific tricksters

[narrow moss]

sometimes it's the same thing.

[reef tundra]

Yeah

[narrow moss]

but i'm leaning good cuz my guy understands that difference and wants people to have fun.

aka a prank too far and nobody's having a good time suddenly.

[inner silo]

Ranger fighter multiclass with 5 weapon masteries

[narrow moss]

he'll be a bard of course.

so chaotic good made sense in other words. So it's interesting to me how people play the same alignment in diff ways was the point i was originally making lol

[hollow stone]

yea see cause i had an idea of an archfey warlock who has an "oath" but the ball of it is that it is literally not possible for them to violate, like fae and lying outright

[narrow moss]

there's always a loophole

[reef tundra]

Many warlock stories are finding loopholes

[narrow moss]

i know you have to watch your words very carefully with the fey tho

[hollow stone]

yea!!

[narrow moss]

maybe moreso than with a devil.

[hollow stone]

they don't get to break the laws of the fae, and in exchange, magic :D

[reef tundra]

At least devils are somewhat consistent. With a fey, you have no idea what to predict

[narrow moss]

fey just have their own logic when it comes to the powers that be anyway

suppose it depends which fey you're dealing with for your powers?

[hollow stone]

and to ensure contract security, it's not like, "if you break the rules you don't get magic", it's like "you don't get to break the rules."

[narrow moss]

but you can bend them?

[inner silo]

Ngl a warlock seems similar to a paladin

[narrow moss]

it is, except you're not dealing with the gods and breaking your 'oath' is usually worse.

like having your soul ripped down to the hells, for instance.

[reef tundra]

They are pretty similar. Except one is an oath with an other worldly entity, and the other is a pact with oneself (yes I purposefully swapped the terms)

[still plover]

My warlocks don't have contracts with their patrons, they have relationships.

[hollow stone]

yea the usual ball of a warlock deal is substantially worse than losing your powers

[narrow moss]

yeah that's true 5e made it about a cause/purpose not just the gods.

[inner silo]

Yeah, surprisingly selling your soul has less consequences then an oath to the wind

[reef tundra]

And that’s how a bardlock happens /j

[narrow moss]

a bard who whispers sweet nothings to a fey for a night and accidentally enters into a pact as a result.

[reef tundra]

It’s really an oath to yourself in a way

[narrow moss]

those weren't nothings to them.

[hollow stone]

instead of like, just being a regular dude, you become immortal and get boiled until the end of time

[inner silo]

That makes sense actually

[reef tundra]

Paladins make for such interesting characters, both player and villain characters

[narrow moss]

it's the idea that your oath is so powerful it manifested into your current abilities

you literally believe in yourself until you have powers now.

[inner silo]

I wander if a wish spell can break the contract

[shy hound]

GUYS what the class for senator armstrong

[reef tundra]

Artificer armourer, me thinks

[shy hound]

what do you guys suggest

[hollow stone]

Barbarian

[narrow moss]

wish could maybe break a contract if someone did it on your behalf. but prepare for consequences

[inner silo]

Like the clerics getting their powers from believing really hard?

[reef tundra]

Or that. That works

[shy hound]

YES,YOU GOOD

[humble cairn]

A whole lotta weapon masteries doesn't do a lot of good unless you're juggling them all.

[shy hound]

ALL GOOD

[hollow stone]

are there any other barbarians with overhealth?

[narrow moss]

i know 5e did it that way for paladins for more character creation options but it's still funny to me.

plus i really like the idea of oath of the ancients.

[humble cairn]

You mean Temporary Hit Points?

[hollow stone]

i know Path Of The World Tree has overhealth

[hollow stone]

yea, those

[humble cairn]

No, World Tree is basically the THP barbarian.

[narrow moss]

from what i'm gathering through context it means the same thing

[hollow stone]

oh wait ykw? Wildheart

[reef tundra]

I like wild heart

[narrow moss]

tbh i played a wildheart barb in bg3 and it was super fun

[hollow stone]

Bear is just nanomachines

[narrow moss]

but also i got to all caps shout at people and it was hilarious.

[inner silo]

Sorry for typing a lot! Yeah, i feel like juggling them could be great though. Like having a graze weapon for single target fighting or breaking concentration, topple in case you need to knock someone prone, push for area control, cleave for fighting multiple enemies and a slow throwing weapon to not let the enemies escape

[reef tundra]

Here’s a fun thing, I have never chosen bear rage

[inner silo]

What does it give?

[shy hound]

YOUR GIVING ME IDEAS

[humble cairn]

The thing is, monoclass Fighter does that better.

[reef tundra]

Resistance to every damage type except force, necrotic, radiant, and psychic damage

[inner silo]

They get some special ability for that?

[narrow moss]

every class does something better than the others.

[hollow stone]

@shy hound yea go Wildheart Barbarian

[narrow moss]

sometimes we just want that flavor.

[glass granite]

Fighters get a lot of masteries

[inner silo]

Ah, sounds good when fighting elemental damage type users, but not great in other situations

[reef tundra]

But I love tiger rage more. Mostly because it turns my barbarian into an unstoppable force

[humble cairn]

Yes, they get three Masteries they can add to any weapon overriding the default Mastery.

[reef tundra]

Able to weave through whole armies to get to the puny caster at the back and tear them apart

[narrow moss]

there's a few kinds of barbarians but the more common two i notice are the barbs that hit really, really hard during rage, or the ones who can get hit really, really hard during rage.

[shy hound]

soo does bear hands ok?

[inner silo]

Ranger+fighter gives you access to an additional fighting style though

[narrow moss]

barb only need one big stick

[humble cairn]

And Fighters get a whole lot of attacks with which they can use to switch between weapons.

[reef tundra]

Except for that time my poor Barb found out that the “puny caster” at the back was a gish arch priest

[glass granite]

OUCH

[narrow moss]

welp

[hollow stone]

yea, the nanomachines are just bear rage, and also rage is just nanomachines

[reef tundra]

I dashed back to the group asap

[inner silo]

Yeah, fighters are definitely better at fighting

[narrow moss]

it's kinda their thing

[reef tundra]

I sure hope so. Otherwise it’s clickbait /j

[inner silo]

Yup

[glass granite]

Fighters do be fighting

[inner silo]

Fighters don't get much except fighting though, rangers get a ton of utility features

[humble cairn]

Sure, I'm just saying that having a lot of Masteries isn't actually that great in actual play.

[shy hound]

YES,I LOVE IT

i'll give you 60% DISCOUNT

[narrow moss]

i'll probably never play a dual wielding fighter since i want my rangers to be that usually

[hollow stone]

also the entire "might makes right" and savage individualism is a common Barb and also usually Senator Armstrong

[narrow moss]

fighter might do it better but ehhhhh it's a fighter.

[inner silo]

I mean, it helps to be more prepared

[reef tundra]

Something just feels right about duel wielding rangers

[narrow moss]

ikr

[reef tundra]

Reject bow Ranger, embrace duel wielding

[narrow moss]

nah i'd rather have both if i can. Always have a ranged option is ingrained into me

[inner silo]

Embrace stranger

[narrow moss]

but he would specialize in the melee.

[hollow stone]

tbh there's a certain niche about bow ranger-rogue that i just don't see in other places

[reef tundra]

That’s a good call actually

[narrow moss]

yeah things can friggin fly sometimes.

[reef tundra]

Always keep a bow or crossbow as backup

[narrow moss]

you don't have to be good with it. Just consistent.

[humble cairn]

Fighters are great! Rangers are also great! They're great in different ways.

[reef tundra]

I remember I ran a dragon fight once and the ranger just climbed a tree and JUMPED ONTO IT. It was not a good idea but damn I had so much respect for it. Always carry a bow

[narrow moss]

lol

[humble cairn]

Climb speed can come i handy for verticality.

[shy hound]

GUYS not gonna lie realisticly elves in my eyes. would be the most laziest race and lowest population on earth,bc they don't have the instincts to bang or move bc they'll know they have more time to do those things ,yet have some few strongest in there country,like probably 5% or 10%

[narrow moss]

reminds me of this one song about a dwarf who just jumps on a dragon that was all set to taunt them and tore his wings to shreds

leeroy jenkins style and everything.

[hollow stone]

this is just pillar men from JoJo

[shy hound]

wait what

[narrow moss]

idk i've never watched that show.

[inner silo]

Even eldritch knights are completely different from rangers because very different spell lists and utility focuses

[narrow moss]

i just know the like two memes about it that matter.

[humble cairn]

Yes. Was someone trying to make out like EK and Ranger are the same?

[narrow moss]

no

we were just saying classes might do certain things better than others but like, i'm gonna go with what's cool

minmaxing bores me

[inner silo]

No, I don't think so, just saying that even the spell casting fighter isn't same as a ranger. Sorry

[hollow stone]

the pillar men were the most powerful creatures on the planet, but because they were nigh-immortal they figured they'd have time to do anything else and got all but wiped out by the innovation of a fighting style that carried the power of their only weakness: the sun.

[humble cairn]

Well cool is in the flavor. Effective is in the mechanics. Flavor is free and can be added on top of anything. So generally .. go with the mechanics that are effective and then add the flavor on top of it.

[narrow moss]

nigh immortal and yet they can't think of a better name.

[shy hound]

sooo not gonna lie,elf would be like that

[narrow moss]

well yeah i'm gonna try and be effective but i don't want to sacrifice my vision for an extra +1

[humble cairn]

You can be a nature loving Fighter with a bow. You can be a militaristic Ranger using sword and shield.

[narrow moss]

which is why i'm stoked about college of glamour for a satyr.

[hollow stone]

oh they didn't call themselves that, they were called that, because the last 3 alive were in the pillars of an ancient tomb

[narrow moss]

ahhhh okay that makes more sense bebe.

[humble cairn]

For the most part though, Class, doesn't really have too much to do with the vision or concept.

Class is just a package of mechanics.

[narrow moss]

well yeah i pick what fits the vision.

if that means bard, then bard.

as long as i'm gonna have fun with it lol.

-# that and not be a problem for others.

[humble cairn]

Sure? I mean this is tautological.

[narrow moss]

i feel like something is being misunderstood

[hollow stone]

yea like the official script for rangers is "in the woods" but making a war ranger has never not been a thing

[narrow moss]

and idk who it is so i'm just gonna not worry about it.

get me an urban ranger with a faithful doggo

'he's just out for a walk as usual with his pupper'

nobody connects the drop in crime to his arrival in town lol

[inner silo]

A peaceful, fighting is a last resort, fighter who just likes collecting and learning about weapons

[narrow moss]

hey weapons are pretty cool especially way back when

[reef tundra]

An oddly specific trope of mine is a fighter who doesn’t want to fight or draw their weapon, not because they’re a pacifist, but because they know they could tear apart almost any opponent

[narrow moss]

one puuuuunch

[reef tundra]

Yup 😭

Although I also really like fighters who respect their opponents and chat admiringly as they fight

[narrow moss]

tropes be troping

[humble cairn]

The weapons nerd is a cool character.

[fiery nimbus]

Wish more warlocks summoned demons

[narrow moss]

eh that's boring. unless they do it while reclining with lemonade and occasionally eldritch blasting from afar.

the unseen servant is, well, being a servant.

[fiery nimbus]

You have 3 whole spells dedecited to summoning fiends

[narrow moss]

i'm sure there's a book out there with more.

[fiery nimbus]

Officially I know only
Summon Lesser Demon
Summon Greater Demon
Infernal Calling
Summon Fiend

Only 2 of them can backfire

[inner silo]

Ig most warlocks aren't fiend warlocks

[fiery nimbus]

Not being a fiend warlock shouldn't stop you from summoning fiends

[narrow moss]

why would not being a fiend warlock allow you to summon fiends though

you're a warlock, this is not power you've gained through study. it is supplied by your patron.

[fiery nimbus]

It's a spell

[narrow moss]

if your patron has no connection to demons, no demons for you.

[fiery nimbus]

Not a class feature

[narrow moss]

again, your power is supplied directly by your patron.

it doesn't matter if it's a class feature or not.

but if they can cast those spells regardless of patron then hey. Maybe the person who didn't pick a fiend warlock didn't want, well, fiends?

either way i don't see a problem really.

[fiery nimbus]

Even a wizard can summon friends

[narrow moss]

a wizard studied how to do that though

a warlock did not. unless they're also a wizard at the same time.

[fiery nimbus]

Are you suggesting warlocks are undereducated

[narrow moss]

i'm suggesting they didn't go to magic school to study and get their degrees. so yeah, some are uneducated

[fiery nimbus]

Nice try Gale

[glass granite]

Well, an educated person usually doesn’t try to sell their soul Tbf

[narrow moss]

some do

[glass granite]

usually

[narrow moss]

some warlocks are uneducated because, well, they weren't rich or scholars when they got their powers

some are nobles, though, and have some education

[fiery nimbus]

To be honest no soul is necessary to summon fiends, just some blood and a 4th level spellslot

[narrow moss]

you're missing my point.

[inner silo]

May not fit the theme

[narrow moss]

I would assume a warlock might be able to use a scroll with those spells, but i don't think a non-fiend patron would give them the spell itself.

[fiery nimbus]

Nah it simply means you didn't found the fiend fitting your theme

[inner silo]

Very old demon guy with a long beard and a stick for great old one

[fickle turtle]

(me, wanting to play a bard who sleep talks, enjoying the discussion of uneducated warlocks) 🙂

(all unrelated but still)

[fiery nimbus]

Correct #notallwarlocks

[narrow moss]

eh some people just think having magic means you uh... earned it somehow.

some are just literally born with it like sorcs are.

[inner silo]

So they couldn't even read the contract they signed?

[fickle turtle]

Dragon born sorcerer for example

[narrow moss]

cracker, sometimes a pact just needs a 'yes'

[fiery nimbus]

Being a warlock doesn't have to mean patron knows about your existence btw

[inner silo]

What's the fun in that though

[narrow moss]

and people marked an x for their signature without being able to read with IRL contracts, so yes. yes i can see that happening with fiends.

[fickle turtle]

Legit could just be a verbal agreement and a handshake or whatever

[inner silo]

Let it be a long terms and conditions like list

[narrow moss]

you don't need to read to be a warlock

[inner silo]

No, just sign here

[narrow moss]

yeah your patron is just going to tell you what's in the contract and you have to take that on faith.

if you're making that deal, you're already desperate.

they don't need to lie to you.

[fickle turtle]

They can omit crucial details or downplay things too. Y'know. Typical contracts lol

[narrow moss]

yep. and i expect them to. You can lie without lying.

[humble cairn]

I had a Feylock who won their powers off an Archfey fair and square in a card game.

[narrow moss]

'technically correct' is my fave trope

[inner silo]

"also your soul will belong to me and after your death be used as fuel in my owen"

[fickle turtle]

"I mean, you'll owe me your soul. But it won't be for a while now..." (Dies two years later instead of 20)

[narrow moss]

and instead of being a poor sport they gave him power? that's awesome.

[glass granite]

Best sort of correct

[humble cairn]

No contract, no future obligations, but definitely an Archfey who is now very interested in your future.

[fiery nimbus]

In this case it would fall to me to educate the warlocks about the greatness of summoning fiends, demons and yugoloths

[inner silo]

Expertise in slight of hand

[narrow moss]

sometimes the interest of the fey is worse

that's an interesting dynamic though, really. I like that.

[fiery nimbus]

Btw there is no real spell meant for summoning of yugoloths, what's up with that

[humble cairn]

Fey usually have to honor deals that they make, they can try an twist and weasel, but can't violate entirely.

[narrow moss]

i know.

i guess if that was the deal that was the deal. the twist is they're your patron now.

[glass granite]

“Entertain me, would you? I care not for your feats, nor your skills. Only your story.”

If a fey said that too me I’d be crying

[humble cairn]

I even helped make a Feylock for someone else who got their powers accidentally from an Archfey who agreed to a dad joke by slip of the tongue.

[inner silo]

"can i roll performance?"

[glass granite]

“You can certainly try”, the fey says

[narrow moss]

dm's are fey confirmed.

those words scare me, along with 'are you sure?'

[inner silo]

"it's a 13, lucky, that's a 18+2+proficiency, 22"

[glass granite]

I have trauma with “If that’s what you wish”

[fickle turtle]

One time I was playing a tiefling who used a wish to overthrow a corrupt Autumn Fay Queen of sorts, and take her spot. But there was a time loop going on, so the wish acted a bit weird. It was allowed to persist through the loops, so she'd like. Revive, and then suddenly one day she'd just vanish like " WAIT STOOO-". But she was working with the BBEG so she had her memory retained too. She was NOT happy with me........

[narrow moss]

that's scarier somehow

[fiery nimbus]

Both parties were equally confused with the outcome

[glass granite]

Succeeds
What are you trying to do?

[inner silo]

Hearing that after casting a wish spell must suck

[inner silo]

Tell an entertaining story

[narrow moss]

your life is the story

[fiery nimbus]

Realistically most of the big wishes from the wish spell would fail

[narrow moss]

a feylock doesn't roll performance. They say 'then help write that story with me'

i'm not sure how wish exactly works but i get the feeling being super greedy with it always backfires somehow.

the dm controls that so... yeah idk.

[inner silo]

So literally making yourself the MC of a story for the fey?

[inner silo]

Depends on the dm

[narrow moss]

that fey wants your story. You are the story. If they're your patron, then yeah, you're THEIR mc in a way

[fiery nimbus]

It's a spell that copy every other spell below level 9, all the extra effects are subjected to failure clause

[narrow moss]

and everyone wants to have a part in the story don't they?

yeah any spell can fail i guess but i mean a successful wish, cookies.

feels like it has the potential of a monkey's paw

[inner silo]

An adventurer who's motivation is entertaining a powerful magical fey like they're in the Truman show

[narrow moss]

lol well, they have to get their power somehow right?

[inner silo]

Yup

Ngl everyone must hate clerics and sorcerers

[humble cairn]

So you'd be breaking the fourth wall often to talk to "the audience" who is your Patron?

[fiery nimbus]

No I mean this spell has literal failure clause that may end up leaving you a step from death unable to cast wish ever again

[inner silo]

Yup, asking them to "show the script"

[narrow moss]

okay?

i mean i did play nwn2 i totally hated that sorc.

[oak grotto]

I'm a bit confused as to whether these fey rules y'all keep talking about is actual DnD fey lore or if it's based off irl fey lore.

[inner silo]

But tbh in a not very serious campaign that would be a pretty fire character i think

[narrow moss]

and the weird uh... 'he's my love interest' scene with the two annoying women party members at one point.

[inner silo]

With another party member always trying to figure out whom they're talking to

[narrow moss]

like, ladies, ladies... no. Just no.

i don't like either of you. this is weird writing.

[inner silo]

Actually stranger build gives you some decent tools to play a mage slayer

Hunters level 11 ability combined with mage slayer feat sounds pretty broken tbh

[hazy lava]

Its time to change my roles to a.... DM

[tawdry bane]

I'm new to this server but I already have a character made I used D&D beyond

[still plover]

Grand. Are you looking for a game?

[tawdry bane]

Not rn it's 2:30am and idk anything about this game I watched others play

[cosmic roost]

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[still plover]

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[fiery nimbus]

I hate having the same conversation about 2024 Dnd the entire time, having to explain that it's not 5.5e

[narrow moss]

okay.

[fiery nimbus]

I think they really screwed up with marketing

[hot gate]

It was always going to be confusing as an update to a game that is mostly the same but not exactly the same. It's hard to instantly categorize.

[narrow moss]

i think it's just semantics so

whatever? idk.

[humble cairn]

Maybe. They also were probably hedging their bets through the middle of One D&D about exactly how much of a change it was going to be. Some of the things they were playtesting would really not have been as backwards compatible as the final product turned out, and the "backwards compatible" language didn't surface until relatively late in the playtest process.

[fiery nimbus]

Correct, it's a big problem to convince some people that 24 is not a new thing you have to relearn

[narrow moss]

it's annoying though

[fiery nimbus]

Doesn't help WOTC has a horrible reputation

[humble cairn]

Honestly I feel most of it is unearned.

WOTC is not the same thing as Hasbro. And the WOTC team has done a lot over the years that have me, personally as a player an a customer feel actually valued and welcome.

[fiery nimbus]

It's a big company, it kind of doesn't matter if it's earned or not, they have it

[humble cairn]

It matters to me.

And then there were all the voices who we later found out were spreading misinformation. Was it on purpose? I can't say, but it sure did a lot of damage.

[fiery nimbus]

Don't think most of it is unearned tbh, they did that to themselves

[humble cairn]

I don't agree, but it's obviously subjective.

[fiery nimbus]

I mean, I'm still mourning the loss of piece buying on DND beyond

[humble cairn]

Oh me, too I still lodge complaints in the feedback channel about that one, it was a stupid move.

[hollow stone]

piece buying(?)

[humble cairn]

You used to be able to buy an individual species, subclass, Feat, or some other things out of digital books to add to your character builder online. It was widely called "a la carte" purchasing.

[still plover]

It was fun while it lasted.

[hollow stone]

oh yea that's evil, why would they take this from me?

[humble cairn]

They were about $2 ea. The good thing about it was that if you bought something out of a book, they reduced the price of the whole book by the price of all the pieces you bought from it.

It was great for everyone, because sometimes people didn't want a whole book, but this let them get a sample of the book. Many times people did end up buying the whole book eventually anyway because they liked the bits they got from it.

[humble cairn]

Go lodge a complaint in #ddb-feedback please, maybe they will bring it back.

[hollow stone]

literally disincentivizes buying things at all, there are, in fact, singular things i heard about, seen locked behind a book, and said "yea nah lol"

[humble cairn]

Ask for "A La Carte Purchasing" back.

[fiery nimbus]

They won't but knock yourself out

I used to buy a lot of spells from the side books

Think the only reason I bought incorporated book was because of the spells and magical items

[fringe palm]

Does anyone know what method Critical Roll used to determine their characters ability stats in Campaign 4?
Cause all of them look pretty cracked.

[humble cairn]

Please don't post the same thing in multiple channels.

[fiery nimbus]

On average rolling for stats will give you the beefiest stats

[left kraken]

If i dont have any of the books and will be purchasing them on roll 20 to run some games as dm should my first purchase be phb and if i get the 2024 one are any of the non updated features or subclasses still copied over from the 2014 one?

[analog bluff]

guys, is it hard to play if theres only a dm and 2 players? for example if im following a purchased campaign/adventure, or is there a specific category for this amount of players?

[still plover]

Yes, and only the free content. Personally I'd recommend using DDB, you can use a tool like Beyond20 to get that to work with Roll20.

[left kraken]

I was told purchasing them on roll20 would be better if ill run my games there regardless

[vale sage]

I wouldn't say so, as long as you come up with 1 or 2 NPC party members that you play as, then you should be fine

[still plover]

You might want to offer the party a sidekick and/ or reduce the opposition in some way. Most prewritten adventures are balanced for four in the party.

[vale sage]

Or that

[still plover]

It locks you into the Roll20 platform.

I can take my DDB character and play them on Roll20, Owlbear Rodeo, Foundry or natively.

[left kraken]

Gotcha, if i purchase my content there can i still share it with my players for them to make their characters?

[still plover]

Terms and conditions, as always. Read up before you pay up.

[left kraken]

Ok thank you

So basically if i want the entire rull set i do need to purchase both the 2024 and 2014 books correct?

[humble cairn]

No, you should really only choose the rule set you will use. Now that really only means that the three core books of the other rule set won't work for you, but everything else will.

[left kraken]

Wait theres 2024 versions for dmg and monster manual?

[humble cairn]

Yes

[left kraken]

Ok thats a lot less confusing now, didnt know those existed. Thank you for the help

Old stuff like tashas and xanathars will work with whichever?

[fiery nimbus]

I really dislike using roll20...

[left kraken]

Please elaborate, i was told that since i only want to run premade campaigns and oneshots the free roll20 interface would be good enough

[fiery nimbus]

I once gifted my DM foundry key only to not have to play in roll20

[humble cairn]

Yes, with the caveat that all subclasses are moved to 3rd level.

[analog bluff]

if I buy the digital ver of phb 24, will i get a ddb subscription?

[humble cairn]

No, I don't believe so.

[fiery nimbus]

Didn't use roll20 in a long time but it always felt clunky
It's a matter of preferences

[marble lion]

i prefer owlbear for that too

roll20's UI is very very busy and basically ruins my immersion, while also restricting my field of view for tactical play, leaving me with no strengths

the only reason i see for using it is because people know the sheet function but a manual sheet (paper or pdf) is so much more pleasant and natural imo

i think owlbear even has an extension for character sheets too

filling out functional character sheets always just seemed like a hastle to me personally and get really weird if you do any amount of homebrew or houseruling

[tough cedar]

Dang its not letting me send a photo. I was going to ask about this players handbook.
Im seeing volumes of players handbooks... and im not sure which one im needing to buy

[marble lion]

do you want to play 2014 or 2024?

both are 5th edition

[past iron]

I think I just found the weirdest die in my collection. It is a 20-sided d10.

[left kraken]

Yeah i needed a place where my players that have never played dnd can have a guided way to make their character and the sheet wont have any inconsistencies and that they can level up kind of how ddb does it but i was told they cant use the resources i buy on that website

[marble lion]

"Create a campaign (go to Collections > My Campaigns > create a new one). In that campaign, you'll see a button to enable content sharing."

filling out roll20 sheets is way harder than filling out a manual sheet

if you want an easy to make sheet, its either dndbeyond or manual

roll20 is cumbersome to make but once you have, which takes knowledge and patience imo, it is useful for being able to mostly just click things and autoroll

i really wish ddb books were cheaper

[glass granite]

Me too

[marble lion]

i read something to add here. you need to pay a subscription to share your bought content with players in the campaign

roughly five dollars a month so you can share what you bought with people

[left kraken]

Omg so many paywalls for practicality

I know i can just pen and paper and write everything after i own the book but damn

[normal junco]

that's a big reason why i only acquire the freebie stuff through ddb. the books sit on my shelf and i like pen and paper anyways.

[past iron]

I feel like it's more worthwhile to just buy the digital books, and then just use your phone and the app. Because the physical books are more expensive anyway. Sure, it's nice to have the physical books, but if you don't have a lot of space, having them on the app in your phone is a lot better

[normal junco]

while i havent read the 2024 PHB, i hear the step by step process for making a character manually is better than the 2014 PHB.

[past iron]

I forgot how to fill out a character sheet in all honesty. I've been using D&D beyond so much that I just don't know how to do the paper ones

[hot gate]

They do lay it out a lot clearer yeah. You can see the process in the free rules too. Albeit the free rules are missing the pictures that the PHB has.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/creating-a-character

[normal junco]

the digital ones are more convenient, they travel better, errata is automatically there, it integrates into the Maps VTT, as well as the character creator and manager. there's lots of benefits to going digital. but i already had most of the 2014 books physically and was adept at using them manually. plus, i have found that i don't often actually read the digital stuff unless i've printed it out. so for me, the digital didn't really click. to each their own.

[past iron]

I'm probably going to do the digital books because it's cheaper for me, and I pretty much always have my phone on me.

[hot gate]

It may also be worth noting that on DDB you're purchasing a license to have access to the product. If DDB ever disappears, there goes your license.

[normal junco]

that's another reason.

[past iron]

Given how successful and popular the company is, I really don't think that will happen anytime soon, and by the time it maybe does happen, I'm sure there will be other alternatives out there.

[normal junco]

i can also write notes directly into the physical books. like marking up spells that are class exclusive or other weird and wonderfully helpful things for me.

[hot gate]

Alternatives, sure, just not what you originally bought.

[still plover]

Hiss!

[hot gate]

And sure, I take your point about the success. I still "buy" games on Steam for the same reason.

[normal junco]

its less likely for them to fold. however, they can do something like Nintento and suddenly force customers to update/upgrade or deny access to licensed content they've paid for.

Steam's in the same boat

[past iron]

I mean, I might get the physical and digital core rulebook bundle just to have the physical core books, but other books I'll probably just go with digital.

[normal junco]

but yea, i get plenty of Steam games. if there were ever to turn evil....

[past iron]

Also whatever happened to that one bundle that had all the books that they would update every time a new book came out?

You guys know what I'm talking about, right?

[hot gate]

Yup. If they had ever, say, removed Mordenkainens Tome of Foes from my DDB account (since you can't buy it on there anymore), I'd have a way different stance than I have now. I'd feel less comfortable. Alas, for now it's still there.

[past iron]

Wait, what? Did they refund you?

[hot gate]

They did not remove it from my account, so why would they refund me.

You just can't buy it anymore if you want to buy it now.

[past iron]

Oh I thought you said they did remove it

Why won't they let you buy it?

[hot gate]

Because its contents have largely been replaced/reprinted by Monsters of the Multiverse, minus lots of lore.

[normal junco]

they removed the ability to purchase it, and moved much from the digital Tome of Foes and Volo's Guide to Monsters into Legacy. however, people who bought them digitally still had access.

more annoying and topical was when they were forcing those who purchased the 2014 digital books to use the 2024 updated versions of the spells. from books they didn't necessarily have access to. after much backlash, they reversed that decision.

[hot gate]

I'm of the mind to think it was a case of not thinking things through, rather than malice. It was probably the easiest course from a backend side.

[past iron]

Yeah if you're going to force people to use a certain version of content that they don't own, you either have to give them that content that they don't own, or undo your decision.

[hollow stone]

i genuinely believe we should have a singular, unified price for books and digital books and they should just mail you the physical book when you make an online purchase

[normal junco]

it was a bit different. from WotC's stance at the time, everything 2014 was considered legacy and old version. the 2024 updated rules are 5e. so it was like updating software. this stance, and their constantly referencing the 2024 and 2014 versions as 5e (with 2024 overwriting like a software update) just completely confused new and existing people. right from the get-go they should have started calling their updated version something different if only to keep things organized.

[hot gate]

What if I don't want something shipped to me?

[past iron]

Nowadays, if it's the old stuff, it just has legacy written next to it

[past iron]

You choose to have it shipped to Gabe Newell or whatever IDK

[hollow stone]

then give them a different address than the one you go to and you won't get the book

[normal junco]

nowadays. but there was much growing pains to get to that point.

[hollow stone]

or they include a toggle like [ship me no book]

[hot gate]

So I need to pay more than others for less content? Seems gatekeepy

[past iron]

I think the current system is really good. You pay more for the physical book than the digital book because you're getting a physical item. The digital book costs less because it's not using physical matter, and isn't subject to the material cost.

[hot gate]

yep

[hollow stone]

idk i wanna be mailed a book if i buy a digital copy

[past iron]

I feel like many video game companies should be taking notes.

Because DDB is the only company that I am aware of that does physical versus digital prices correctly

[hot gate]

Of course. And I would like a copy of the movie when I go to the cinema. Alas, they're two different products and in order to make a profit the companies distributing them need to price them accordingly.

[normal junco]

if it weren't for retail sales, i'm pretty sure WotC would rather go straight digital. an option for print-on-demand would be possible for a fee, but the amount gained from that wouldn't justify the headaches for them.

[past iron]

What about PDF files?

[rotund shell]

"muh piracy!"

[normal junco]

pdf files for D&D moving forward are a no-go. they aren't integrated into the VTT or character manager that is DDB

[low ice]

Been in DND for a while but I like don't play bard so I just learned that college of valor existed 😭
Ts so funny

[past iron]

Yeah but they would only have the file. They would not have access to the character sheet stuff or options on the website.

[normal junco]

its all about integration.

[past iron]

Oh?

[grave trellis]

Yeah buying a digital copy and expecting the physical one to also be mailed to you is a little silly — if you bought the physical copy i think you should be able to get a code to use it on ddb — if thats a thing already tell me tho lol

[rotund shell]

That isn't the point. WotC will never distribute PDF files because they don't want people pirating their books and being able to play without being reliant on physical or their digital tools.

and what integration we do have is sometimes highly out of date with errata (Roll20 is especially guilty of this)

[stuck violet]

Hi everyone

[past iron]

The physical books are pretty much almost always out of date unless you're buying the most recent reprint, and even then it'll probably be out of date soon enough

[stuck violet]

Am new here

[rotund shell]

ah, but WotC got money for it and it encourages you to buy an updated printing, giving WotC even more money

That's the difference: Money.

They give out a PDF and suddenly the entire community has access to the same book (by their logic).

therefore: no more money for them.

[grave trellis]

Community ease vs company profit ig

[past iron]

Who needs profit? Just buy money

[rotund shell]

it also gives WotC a measure of control over the archive of product. They can just say "this book no longer exists" and suddenly, it no longer does.

[normal junco]

its all about integration into the DDB marketplace ecosystem. and its kinda working. 2024 sales on DMsGuild for pdfs are tanked. new players coming in don't even know about or bother to know about other vendors. and even then, because those are in pdf form, they aren't integrated into the VTT or character manager of DDB. WotC has succeeded with their closed garden.

[rotund shell]

They don't even offer their books on DMs Guild, so there's still no official PDFs anyway.

they offer some side content, but not the actual books

[normal junco]

but there are a number of 3rd party books available on DDB, so that does broaden horizons for players to at least see there are other things.

[grave trellis]

why use DDB when u have a paper character sheet and a dream

[normal junco]

outside of the DDB platform, in the physical world, its a different environment. new people coming in just like the convenience of digital. and it IS convenient.

[pliant sapphire]

PDFs are very easy to distribute for free, thats why they dont make PDFs

[normal junco]

that too

[past iron]

So basically, if I wanted to use 2014 content from Tome of Foes, I wouldn't be able to do so, as I don't own the book? Or is the content in newer books that are actually available?

[grave trellis]

I always encourage our new players to just learn how to make a CS by hand, because our group dislike having to rely on DDB

But obviously a whole new group wanting to try dnd WILL use DDB because it is a great introduction to dnd imo

[stoic obsidian]

How scare would you guys of a barbarian saying “ I gonna shuck you like a piece of corn”

[grave trellis]

Pretty scared ngl

[normal junco]

i just print the free official DDB stuff and add it to binders on my shelf. however, the longer things are horribly formatted for printing. the 2024 free rules are staying as a print to pdf on my computer. i don't want to waste like 800 pages just to have them in a binder.

[normal junco]

what's the context? in certain situations i might be even more scared

[sleek fox]

Most of the species and monsters were moved to Mordenkainens Monsters of the Universe so you have access to it if you get that book. The lore chapters arent though.

[past iron]

Most. But not all.

So if you didn't buy the books then, you're basically out of luck to get those few things that aren't in monsters of the Universe

[sleek fox]

I am not sure. Never compared that closely.

[normal junco]

2024 piggybacks on 2014. anything not specifically mentioned in 2024 just defaults to the 2014 version. as things go they're updating more.

[grave trellis]

Dhampirs being updated in a bg3 tie in was a little funny though lol

[past iron]

I'm waiting for them to bring goblins to 2024.

Also it feels weird calling it 2024 even though it's about to be 2026

[grave trellis]

Updated goblins would be nice i love a good goblin

[normal junco]

hence why i call them 5.1e and 5.2e which match their SRD version.

[past iron]

All goblins are good goblins.

[stoic obsidian]

You tick off the barbarian

[grave trellis]

I love all goblins*

[normal junco]

Dankwood Goblins are better. though that's more about them being less grumpy

[past iron]

I don't think goblins are necessarily grumpy by default

[hot gate]

Well the PHB and the DMG did come out in 2024, so at least that matches.

que the 2024 Monster Manual arriving in 2025

[grave trellis]

I mean id be grumpy if a group of adventurers showed up in my house and killed all my friends

[stoic obsidian]

Hmmmmm, sound like pretty dank wood

[past iron]

I honestly feel like goblins get used as cannon fodder too much.

You want some cannon fodder, throw a bunch of skeletons at your players

[normal junco]

check out Adventure with Muk on DMsGuild. and print it out. it is well worth it. there's a sequel that just continues the shenanigans.

[hot gate]

My players recently learned that kobolds are actually great little guys if you don't treat them badly.

[stoic obsidian]

I use Aasimar as canon fodder

[grave trellis]

True skeletons dont have family but gobbo thr goblin has 2 kids a wife and a pet worg

[dense hamlet]

Agreed. Goblins are intelligent creatures that can plan and create traps. Attacking their cave should be like attacking the house from home alone.

[fiery nimbus]

May I introduce you to humble constructs

[buoyant oar]

A table top Book scanner was the best thing I ever bought. All of the Legal PDFs for me.

[past iron]

That's also valid. Put those pompous idiots in their place

[humble cairn]

So call it 5E and call the older rules 2014?

[stoic obsidian]

Actually everyone is canon in my eyes even Tiamat

[dense hamlet]

Could you provide information on that?

[buoyant oar]

I have just settled on 5E Remastered of 5Er.

That is better than a year.

[normal junco]

i did that for a few of my books i couldn't find to buy online. the results are terrible, but at least i have a backup. i lost over 30 years of D&D books, other ttrpgs, art, creative writing, etc. from then on i make sure i have a digital backup.

[left kraken]

So after doing some research has anyone used above vtt to use the dndb content on it ?

[past iron]

How about like 5e and 5e2

[humble cairn]

I like 5ER myself. Fifth Edition, Revised.

[normal junco]

5.1e and 5.2e and it matches the SRD versions

[grave trellis]

We call it 5.1e in my group lol

[past iron]

What's 5.1?

[stoic obsidian]

2024 rules

[past iron]

Ah.

[normal junco]

system reference document for the 2014 rules is version 5.1e

system reference document for the 2024 rules is version 5.2.1e

[buoyant oar]

I buy a book. I have a 600$ book scanner. I scan the book. I then correct the PDF in InDesign. Lotta time. But now if I have to sell or loose it in a fire it's all in da cloud.

[past iron]

Why do they need to add the .1 to 5.2?

They could just leave it as 5.2

[grave trellis]

Oh to have $600...

[normal junco]

because they had to spell check or update something after the initial 5.2 release of the SRD

[stoic obsidian]

Update to update

[buoyant oar]

I didn't just buy it on a whim. Lol I saved for it for a year lmao

[next crypt]

Kinda strange that advantages and disadvantages don't stack, and there's only fringe cases where you can roll 3 D20's for advantage and disadvantage, thanks to feats, like elven accuracy

[buoyant oar]

That's less than one door dash use a month in my town

[grave trellis]

Oh yeah i assumed as much i was just being silly — probably not something i would invest in but that is definitely a helpful tool

[normal junco]

non-stacking advantage and disadvantage was to make the process faster and simpler.

[humble cairn]

This is how it's been built for ten years and is part of the bounded accuracy philosophy and streamlining of the system. A reaction to the bonus bloat from Third Edition.

[past iron]

There's really no point, because all advantage and disadvantage boil down to is rolling multiple dice and going with the lowest or highest one

[marble lion]

the DM can always change the DC for skill checks to represent extra adv/disadv if they want to

[humble cairn]

In other words it was on purpose and it works well for the purpose they designed it for.

[past iron]

It doesn't matter how many dice you roll, you're still going to go with the highest or lowest number depending on if you have advantage or disadvantage

[marble lion]

the point would be raising chances

[rose wedge]

What's an appropriate channel to show off my dice? I notice I can't really put images in most places and the art channel doesn't seem quite right.

[normal junco]

however, at any table the DM and players can decide together if they want advantage and disadvantage to stack. they just have to deal with the consequences of doing that.

[humble cairn]

Imagine having to count how many sources of Advantage and Disadvantage you have.

[next crypt]

The point is for better or worse chances

[buoyant oar]

DND already minimizes negative outcomes enough lol. More double super advantage is not what the system needs.

[grave trellis]

Sorry this is so off topic but i love ur username so much 👍

[dense hamlet]

Ahh thank you

[marble lion]

usually one or none. i dont think thats a big problem tbh. youd just put burden of proof on the person who claims their advantage or disadvantage

[rose wedge]

❤️ Thanks!

[marble lion]

i think its a very good choice not to have them stacking in rules btw. im just saying its not that bad

[rose wedge]

Maybe I'll ask my question later when it's not as chatty. Or just throw them in with the mini's or something.

[humble cairn]

Yeah I feel like there isn't going to be something like Elven Accuracy again and in fact they might reprint it just to replace it with something else.

[grave trellis]

#merch-and-dice @rose wedge i just found it:)

[rose wedge]

ilu ❤️

[humble cairn]

#merch-and-dice maybe?

[normal junco]

aaaaaaaassssssskkkkkkkk

[rose wedge]

Yeh, got it. Thank you. It's further down than I expected.

[past iron]

Wait there's a channel to show off dice?!

[still plover]

Yes, I've played Shadowrun.

[marble lion]

if there are barely any sources for stacking advantage, the rule isnt needed
if there are tons of sources for stacking advantage, the stacking becomes bothersome to track

the only win is to decide if you wanna houserule them stacking in dnd imo

anything else either bloats the rules or the game

although at higher levels, i could see advantage getting a bit numerous too

in none of my games have i ever felt i got too many advantages though

[vernal owl]

im so broke my dice set is google 💀

[marble lion]

playing in person?

otherwise the virtual table usually has dice or discord offers avrae

[vernal owl]

nah thats one reason i dont invest in dice, none of my friends are interested in dnd

[errant drum]

Thoughts on frieren beyond journey's end

[vernal owl]

and i cant find irl groups sigh

[vernal owl]

oh peak

[low ice]

Played my friends campaign on it it was hella fun

[vernal owl]

i thought i wouldnt like it but holy shit its just peak

[errant drum]

My thoughts exactly

[vernal owl]

i know the fight scenes arent the entire focus but theyre so beautifully animated and impactful to the story you cant help but love every second of it

[low ice]

I'm not caught up idek what volume it currently is lol

[errant drum]

And when frieren finnally gets to fight someone her lvl which is she herself it was so beautiful

[vernal owl]

im an anime only 😭

[low ice]

I've watched all that I can on Netflix 😔

[vernal owl]

i heard she fights a bunch of enemies with an equal power level in the manga, looking forward to it in s2

[errant drum]

Me too when is it coming tho?

[vernal owl]

2026

not sure when tho, maybe mid 2026

[low ice]

Come faster

[errant drum]

Can't wait

[vernal owl]

for real

[errant drum]

Has anyone watched dungeon meshi? I wanna watch that too but Idk what it's about

[vernal owl]

anyways i was thinking of getting dice purely as a collectors item, maybe something metal since im not gonna use it

[vernal owl]

i watched and read it till the end, probably one of the best fantasy series out there

well its definitely one of the best, probably top 10

[errant drum]

If you are getting only for the sake of collectors item then you should wait to save up for something really good

[low ice]

Never have will now that I've heard of it

[low ice]

Get some light up metal dice 🔥

[errant drum]

Nice we can share our thoughts on it

[vernal owl]

i saw someone with real gemstones as a dice set and that gen baffled me lmao, its so cool. definitely didnt imagine someone using gemstones like that

[rose wedge]

It's odd. It's about some adventurers going into some kind of dungeon in the world. It's a big part of the world's economy but it gets more dangerous the deeper you go, so the plot revolves around a party that learns how to actually eat the monsters safely so they last longer than other groups.

[errant drum]

Yeah or something like a merch where it's based on some show or anime

[hollow stone]

that sounds costly

[vernal owl]

im ofc not buying a gemstone dice set, maybe something nice looking

[hollow stone]

i mean actually that depends what kind of rocks

[errant drum]

Must have looked really good

[errant drum]

Ohh

Well I do like food

[vernal owl]

looked like opal idk it definitely wasnt sparkly and translucent like diamonds or emeralds

but beautiful for sure

[low ice]

Holy spoil

[vernal owl]

im usually not a fan of opal but i can get behind a d20 opal

[rose wedge]

...I spoiled the first ten minutes of the first episode, sure.

[vernal owl]

nah its just the premise of the series, theres a lot of it in there

[hollow stone]

i wanna get one of those dice rods, you know? the pen that has a bunch of spinny things?

[rose wedge]

"We're hungry, time to eat this slime monster" is like the first episode.

[vernal owl]

i mean the title translates to delicious in dungeon

[errant drum]

@vernal owl is your pfp a mango

[vernal owl]

M-MANGO!!?!??!?!?!

[errant drum]

I saw that on my feed recently

[vernal owl]

BOIIIIIII 😹 🫱

ok no its not a mango its a mantis head

[errant drum]

Looks like a draft of a mango like that's the general shape but the creator still has allot to do

[vernal owl]

gng 🥀

[low ice]

I have a 3d printed sword rn

[vernal owl]

im seeing all these interesting and unique dice on my feed and it infuriates me how i cant buy any of it smhsmh

[low ice]

Color it then

[errant drum]

3D printers are so awesome like you can print almost anything as long as you have a good printer and the plastic thingy

[vernal owl]

i saw like a compass shaped dice thingy which spinned and it had beautiful ingravings in it raah why am i broke

[low ice]

Doesn't have to be plastic but yeah

[low ice]

DND is expensive so I'm broke too 🫡

[errant drum]

Wait you can print in other materials too?

[tough cedar]

My son had the option to take a 3d printing class for school and he DIDNT take it. They were giving out printers to the students. I was beside myself 😩

[errant drum]

I heard someone 3d printed their house with concrete

[vernal owl]

FREE 3D PRINTERS?

what is mr son doin 💔

[errant drum]

BELT (JK)

[tough cedar]

He does online schooling. @vernal owl ...yeah and I also seen they had clubs and stuff reading through all his stuff and there's dnd and all that. Wish I had that growing up lol

[low ice]

Gtg y'all have fun yapping

[tough cedar]

Granted.. im unsure on what model printers they have.. but still

[errant drum]

I am finding out so many things recently
Like how dnd campaigns aren't just anything like be set in a futuristic city or in side of a volcano
They have to be in a fantasy setting where the roles like bards,rogues etc have to make sense

You can't just make up stuff
Which I thought was the whole point of dnd

[rose wedge]

Not entirely true.

The DnD system can be used for various settings. You can be a cyberpunk rogue with hard-light tech daggers or whatever. It's all about how you flavor your skills.

I can imagine a few tech-y explanations for certain spells. My campaign has a warforged where his Spike Growth manifested through like underground clockwork cables that came up to zap a buncha dudes.

[errant drum]

Wait so a supernatural campaign is possible

[rose wedge]

Just depends on how the DM builds it and why Session 0's are important so people can build around the setting. And some tabletop systems are better suited for different settings but DnD still works. But I hear Pathfinder is often suitable for "anything goes" type settings.

[errant drum]

Wut is pathfinder

[idle oar]

A different game system

[rose wedge]

A different TTRPG system.

[errant drum]

Ooo

[idle oar]

There are many different ttrpg game systems

[devout harbor]

You can use any rules system for any setting. But some will be better suited for others. You can play a D&D or PF or whatever for your neo noir cyberpunk game, but it’s probably more effort than just picking up another game that’s meant to support a setting and story like that

[rose wedge]

Indeed, the one-action for six seconds doesn't make as much sense when you're using a minigun.

[hollow stone]

isn't there another TTRPG called Cyberpunk Red that's literally this?

[rose wedge]

My table kinda prefers people we know, sorry. We got a newcomer being onboarded already and that puts us at 5 players.

[rose wedge]

Yes, but the point of the discussion for Otaku is that most systems can be used for most things.

[errant drum]

Oh np i have much to learn still and it would suck if moves get delayed because I can't math in time

[hollow stone]

oh sorry i thought you were actually looking for cyberpunk noir

[errant drum]

You have a character for it?

[rose wedge]

There's probably some LFG channels in here. It's difficult to find a group. Getting 3-6 people together around the same time every week is the stuff of legends. A while back I was trying to find groups on postings on DnD Beyond and there's always like one little thing on every posting that didn't suit my needs. Stuff like "humans only campaign" or various time constrictions, etc.

[hollow stone]

nope :D

[rose wedge]

So you gotta spend some time digging for a game, it's hard to just hop right into one.

[crisp lake]

yup, there are, #find-a-game includes them all

[hollow stone]

i just know it happened

[errant drum]

Yeah

[errant drum]

What happened

[hollow stone]

cyberpunk red

[crisp lake]

cyberpunk

[hollow stone]

no that's the IP it's under, Cyberpunk Red is another TTRPG system that's optimized for cyberpunk settings

[crisp lake]

ik

[errant drum]

Have you made a character recently?

[hollow stone]

this is of course not to confuse cyberpunk (the aesthetic) and Cyberpunk (the 2077 and Edgerunners and Red)

[hollow stone]

for DND or Cyberpunk Red?

[errant drum]

Either

[spring light]

how does one define "making a character"?

[hollow stone]

i made a DND character a few weeks ago for a mini campaign

[errant drum]

I just wanna know how and what characters are built

[hollow stone]

i assume actually minting a sheet

[spring light]

i made a handful of statblocks for several named npc this week

[rose wedge]

This is a very strange way to ask this question.

[spring light]

it's been months since i've had reason to consider making a sheet for a pc

[hollow stone]

yea i'd quantify that as a character, it is a NonPlayable Character

[crisp lake]

#dnd-newcomers

[spring light]

by that metric, every week i make one to half a dozen characters

[rose wedge]

One way is to look into #character-discussion . How: Just pick a race you like, then a class. If you're a minmaxer I can't help you. I operate on vibes alone, which is why I'm always a Tiefling >:)

[errant drum]

Yeah I was going for a different question and something else came up in my mind and then I half wrote that then deleted it and forgot I had written something else and the original question and clicked send

[woven flint]

Factual

I'm always beastfolk for the most part lol