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cobalt lotus
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So
Do pachinko or slot machines exist in Ebberon

spice meteor
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Oh nice! A Lore channel!

cobalt lotus
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I have solidified my legacy in this server

fathom rapids
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Ok, so can anyone explain to me how Dream of a Blue Veil affects the larger canon of the D&D cosmology?

unkempt merlin
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Short answer: it doesn't really

jagged apex
cobalt lotus
jagged apex
cobalt lotus
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Are witches Canon in dnd

spice meteor
unkempt merlin
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Depends on what you mean by "witch"

spice meteor
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Tasha is called a witch, yes?

unkempt merlin
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There are many things that have been called witches.
Hags for example, but also wizards of all kinds.

Tasha is indeed called a witch

cobalt lotus
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So witches are wizards not warlocks? Despite the word warlock being tied up with the word witch?

spice meteor
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So yes, witches are present in D&D.

unkempt merlin
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Its not a strict categorization

cobalt lotus
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Can a druidic magic user be a witch

spice meteor
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"Witch" isn't a technical term, it is a style. Plenty of things can be witches.

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Wizards, warlocks, druids, bards, hags, hexbloods, rangers, etc.

cobalt lotus
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Cool

Is gay marriage legal in the forgotten realms

spice meteor
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I think I remember there being same sex married couples in Waterdeep.

unkempt merlin
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There are folks of all Identities in the FR in various degrees of relationships yea

spice meteor
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But there is no overriding laws that cover all of the Forgotten Realms.

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Because that covers numerous different societies and cultures.

cobalt lotus
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Is gay marriage legal in Ebberon, specifically the region sharn is in
Also what's the law/culture about marrying another species, eg a Changling and a elf

unkempt merlin
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Short answer yes

ripe shale
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I believe marriage in FR is something that is done as a cultural practice and not something relevant to laws. Things like Waterdeep's Code Legal is more concerned with crimes of a basic nature like murder and theft.

cobalt lotus
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Alright
If I embezzle government funds in waterdeep, say someone around the tune of 1000 platinum over 7 years, how long should I expect to spend in prison

spice meteor
cobalt lotus
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Oh I didn't know that existed
Thanks

ripe shale
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There's also a more indepth version from earlier editions that one could find if they chose.

crude blaze
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Embric and Avi my beloveds

ripe shale
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I'm partial to the two gnome kings of Gnomengard in Icespire Peak.

spice meteor
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I also love that Faerun's Ravenloft's version of Sherlock Holmes is married to his version of Watson.

cobalt lotus
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Are druidic circles like clubs? Do you have to sign a membership contract or do you become a druid and wait for an invite?

crude blaze
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I don’t recall their exact origins

spice meteor
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Oh you're right.

crude blaze
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Yeah, I think they’re from Darkon

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Regardless, I too love my Sherlock/Watson ship being validated in D&D

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Also love that D&D!Sherlock is a wheelchair user

spice meteor
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Yes!

crude blaze
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God, I love 5E Ravenloft

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VRGTR is hands down my favorite 5E sourcebook

spice meteor
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It's a great book.

ripe shale
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I keep trying to find ways to sneak those monsters into the games I'm running. They're great

cobalt lotus
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Do catgirls exist in dnd outside Tabaxi

grim dagger
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Guardinals and I think some editions had catfolk. Maybe some fey.

rough fractal
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Racenloft was originally created by Hickman, right? Around the Hickman manifesto time?

crude blaze
rough fractal
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Ah gotcha, I thought you meant you enjoyed 5e's compared to how it was done previously

spice meteor
crude blaze
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Plus, from what I heard, there were some definite… ick factors to pre-5E Ravenloft. Which isn’t surprising, there’s a lot of ick factors across all editions (including 5).

jagged apex
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i did take a crack at adapting it to 5e with my own take, which is up on dnd beyond

crude blaze
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A Witch in D&D today is a lot more… abstract. Wizards, warlocks, druids, sorcerers, even clerics have been referred to as “witches”. I personally even rolled up an alchemist artificer as a witch.

jagged apex
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honestly even historically the term was rather broad as it had many meanings

jagged apex
late lantern
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I have a question about D&D Species. If humans are still considered animals in the biological sense in D&D like they are in the real world, are elves, dwarves, and orcs also animals?

iron saffron
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Sure.

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They're creatures.

cedar sonnet
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In D&D I think animal is a term only used for beasts.

errant shard
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"Creature", I believe, is a category mostly in distinction to Object

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Would have to check, but my intuition is that a Construct is also a creature

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Constructs are in fact Creatures. Sentient magic items, meanwhile, are Objects, not Creatures

rough fractal
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Awakened Items, Creatures. Sentient Items, Objects. Totally makes perfect sense

errant shard
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Humans, and other humanoids, are creatures, but the fact that they're creatures doesn't necessarily imply any relation or common origin with other sorts of creature.

ripe shale
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Yeah, I don't know that anything is really in "the biological sense," considering there are creatures made of water and fire and dirt (elementals), and there are ghosts and reanimated corpses, and creatures given life out of whole cloth (constructs). Beholders are formed out of dreams.

I don't know in this world that humans would consider themselves animals.

spark haven
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It's certainly an entirely different teleological framework. Literal deities exist and created the universe according to some plan to some degree of success ( in most settings ).

hazy fox
spark haven
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A modern scientific understanding of "animal" and taxonomies is based on a whole lasagna of scientific frameworks ranging from DNA analysis to radioisotope dating to ice core samples. The people of Faerun, for example, have a drastically different framework for interfacing with the world and not just in the sense that they're old-timey people living in castles, they have gods who answer prayers, magic that can alter a creature's biology through heritage ( tieflings, etc ) , creatures who live for thousands of years or longer and can bear first-hand witness to the truths of the past

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In short I think the answer strongly depends on who you ask. I could easily see a faction of anti-lycanthropes making a point about a distinction between human and animal

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But a circle of druids could argue in the opposite direction

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Or not, maybe they're druids who abhor shifting!

ripe shale
signal sigil
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It’s been nagging me for a while now, and i always keep forgetting to ask, but where do bards get their magic again?

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They have musical instruments as focuses, so do they just get it from music?

solemn nexus
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In the worlds of D&D, words and music are not just vibrations of air, but vocalizations with power all their own. The bard is a master of song, speech, and the magic they contain. Bards say that the multiverse was spoken into existence, that the words of the gods gave it shape, and that echoes of these primordial Words of Creation still resound throughout the cosmos. The music of bards is an attempt to snatch and harness those echoes, subtly woven into their spells and powers.

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That's whats said about bards in the PHB, not played bards a lot in older editions but from what I remember bards always have tapped into the power rather then studying it as a wizard does

signal sigil
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Hmm ok

signal sigil
novel dew
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basically, yeah

forest rock
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Mystra goddess of magic loves a good tune so rewards bards with her blessings, except bagpipes she hate bagpipes

shrewd vector
signal sigil
vast trench
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I am playing a teifling soon (born not made) but don’t know much about teifling lore anyone have the main things I should know?

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This is my first time ever playing teifling so

daring vessel
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my advice is usually to make up your own but the "established" lore is you or a loved one(usually a parent) made a pact with an archdevil, and it's a curse of some kind

cunning girder
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Doesn't need to be a parent, just some infernal influence in your family tree. But again, you do you and if you want to change tiefling lore for your setting then you can do

fiery jolt
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And to twist the knife, tieflings know that this is because a pact struck generations ago infused the essence of Asmodeus-overlord of the Nine Hells-into their bloodline. Their appearance and their nature are not their fault but the result of an ancient sin, for which they and their children and their children's children will always be held accountable.

tieflings are the distant descendants of whoever made the pact

velvet latch
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Tieflings give a lot of flexibility. Mine willingly entered a pact with a Fiend to change appearance and escape a history of rogueish behavior

zenith dust
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it's setting dependent, and more importantly campaign and character dependent

bright panther
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apparently theres one person in dnd lore who was mortal and successfully ascended to immortality, much in the same way that vecna is typically trying to. who is that person?

grim dagger
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Vecna. There's also others, too.

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Trying to see if there's a good source of them, but there's actually many, including Torm.

bright panther
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oh vecna succeeded? i thought he was typically a mortal and not a full fledged immortal god tho

sweet cargo
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I think the Raven Queen is one, but I'm not sure if that's actual D&D lore or just Critical Role lore

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ah it is actual D&D lore, from Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes

grim dagger
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Yeah, both Mystra (those after Mystryl) too. Like, a lot of them.

iron saffron
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Supposedly both Orcus and Demogorgon were mortals whose souls went to the Abyss and became demons, working their way up over the millennia to demon princes

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In the Forgotten Realms lore, a bunch of mortals became gods, especially during the Time of Troubles.

eager bay
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Is it possible for a necromancer to try to cast a spell, fumble it and end making an even worse one that he can't control

iron saffron
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What does this have to do with lore?

There's no gameplay mechanic where a spell being casts fails in 5E.

eager bay
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Ah ok back to the drawing board

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Sorry about putting it in the wrong channel

storm dagger
bright panther
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huh i never knew that

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i always thought he was like. on his way to godhood

storm dagger
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It happened during the 2e module Die Vecna Die (were funny enough Vecna can’t die) he had a big plan to take control of the universe and rose to the power of a greater deity. His plan failed at the end and he lost the power of a greater god, but managed to retain the power of a lesser god making it overall a step up

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He’s primarily a Greyhawk Deity, but he was used in the Dawn War Pantheon as well, which is the same Pantheon CR uses

storm dagger
iron saffron
fiery jolt
zenith dust
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there's more than one setting, and more than one "established" campaign

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also when responding to someone who doesn't want to have a phone notification of something from nearly three hours ago, you can click or press the "@ on" to "@ off" when replying

fiery jolt
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what setting has different tiefling lore, and what about it is different from what's in the PHB?

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also if you dont want phone notifications, just turn off notifications in your settings

zenith dust
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I mean just off the top of my head, eberron is related to sarlona, Faerun is related to the nine hells with Asmodeus as an ancestral source, Nentir Vale is Bael Turath, planescape has had a variety of ways, as planetouched can be multiple things

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I can't turn off notifs, I Need them on for reasons that are private to me. that's why I say no pings please.

fiery jolt
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thanks for sharing a bit of lore

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you dont have to turn off all notifications btw; you can set it by server or even by channel

zenith dust
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I'm well aware

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as for tieflings, check with your DM how they work in the setting/campaign

ripe shale
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Sure, but "lore can be whatever!" in the lore-discussion is as pointless as "DMs are empowered to make their own rules!" in dnd-rules.

crude blaze
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I do think the point that it depends specifically on what setting you’re using is worth noting

zenith dust
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it's not "can be whatever" it's "there's more than one setting"

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that's all

crude blaze
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Cuz yeah, in Forgotten Realms there’s the whole “hereditary sin” thing that might be a part of tieflings as a base, but that’s not really how it works across all settings.

zenith dust
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if your DM is about to run eberron I don't want to fill you full of faerun lore

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my answer isn't "who cares make it up" it's "check what's going on with your DM"

fiery jolt
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it would probably help if you shared some of the alternative lore of other settings rather than just saying nuh-uh

zenith dust
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I'm not saying nuh-uh. I don't know which setting you're playing in

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in the 2014 phb, which is currently 5e's version of faerun, the standard tiefling is a human with infernal heritage from some point in their history.

fiery jolt
zenith dust
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they're described as having a variety of horn shapes, tails that don't provide any mechanical use or benefit, and a full range of human skin colors, plus reds. (unlike, say, Exandria, where they're more colorful)

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hey, you know I'm literally in the conversation you don't have to ping me

supple nymph
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I mean, even in non-Exandria settings most people tend to ignore the "reds" thing since the picture in the book isn't a shade of red. LUL

zenith dust
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I'm literally doing the work you're refusing to do, for you, for your benefit, you could do me the small favor of not pinging me

fiery jolt
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i always liked the purple tiefling in the PHB right above the description that says regular human colors or red

delicate ruin
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the Official lore is "at some point in the past, one of your ancestors was a fiend, or make a pact with a fiend for a new form and it carried on through out their line." This can be "one parent is a devil or demon" or "an ancient act is still effecting our bloodline to this day, and we have done nothing to do with Devil or Demons for a thousand years" or a mix of the 2 " My ancestors made a pact and were transformed and devils marry into the family every so often."

unofficial lore i have heard DM use was "Your father/mother killed so many devils that we have cursed them to have a fiendish offspring as punishment"
Most of the time it is not the player character's doing. i have only seen one player go "yeah, he started as an elf but is a tiefling now" but that was after a rather graphic scene in which he bit a devil's fingers off to save a quest NPC from being abducted.

crude blaze
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Yeah, it’s wild that the PHB said “standard human skin colors or red” and immediately tacked on a purple tiefling as the example art.

fiery jolt
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i'm not playing a tiefling btw, i was just answering someone else's lore question

supple nymph
delicate ruin
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Alternate colors for teiflings are, Purple, green, coral orange, blue, and mottled human and fiendish skin in patches

crude blaze
fiery jolt
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it seems like across settings all tieflings are born though, not made

delicate ruin
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Ah, i don';t have any Eberon books

supple nymph
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In official lore yes

crude blaze
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Which I think is in part what Dave was talking about. The lore is gonna depend on what world you’re playing in.

delicate ruin
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yes, most teiflings are born

supple nymph
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They're "naturally" occurring, insofar as it's a birth, not something created

zenith dust
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there is the potential for other origins, especially in planescape

delicate ruin
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I don't think there are Tieflings in ravnica officially but there are Devils and mortals so you could swing it

zenith dust
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and how the origin is manifested in the lore is different as well

supple nymph
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That too; you can have it be whatever you want, like the finger-biting from Stu's example

crude blaze
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Also worth noting that if you wanna get real technical, the child of a fiend and a mortal is a cambion, and tieflings would probably descend from there.

tranquil solstice
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Hercules was mortal, then ascended to godhood. So did Tiamat and Bahamut, they were unique till they became lesser deities
St.Cuthbert was mortal, then ascended to godhood.
I also do believe Thor spent time as a mortal.

supple nymph
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You could even have it be some sort of creation if you want. The only real limitation on your lore is double checking your DM is okay with it

fiery jolt
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Eberron also has the 'ancestors made a devil deal' origin for tieflings. those are the ones from Sarlona that Dave mentioned

crude blaze
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Which really further accentuates the fact that the lore varies and you should discuss with your DM

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I was just basing my point off the official 5E Eberron Book

fiery jolt
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yeah me too

supple nymph
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The only lore I know really well off the top of my head is Goliaths because they're my favourite species, followed closely by Dragonborn, because the whole Giants and Dragons thing is just a fascinating bit of lore to me

delicate ruin
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I keep trying to buy Eberon from my semi local game store and they never have it.

crude blaze
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Eberron is honestly such a good setting. Probably my favorite official setting.

supple nymph
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I'm actually currently playing a Goliath that's gotten one of the Gifts of the Dragon (metallic, specifically), and there's been a whole bunch of Interesting Development about how he's a descendant of Giants displaying so many Draconic traits

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(sorry for tangent, got my mind on it now. XD)

tranquil solstice
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Oh, every deity in Cerilia was mortal, except the ones born after the daes'mar explosion.

fiery jolt
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don't worry about it, discussing lore is what this channel is for

supple nymph
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We encountered a City of Giants as well, and one of my party members is a firbolg that was raised by a dragon, so when the conversation about their father came up my character was "ix-nay, IX-NAY"

delicate ruin
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I now want to play a Tiefling character in Dragonlance, where it would make no lore sense for there to be any, just to see what happens

white ravine
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Such as...

Portal mishap
Spelljammer accident
Unholy mutation
Magical infusion

daring vessel
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as a DM I would have a lot of fun not explaining for a frustrating amount of time

rough fractal
delicate ruin
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i don't think there is a part of the book that says so, i don't have the book, but Krynn is not part of the great wheel cosmolgy, and doesn't have devils

crude blaze
rough fractal
delicate ruin
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I don't know. When i was engaging in Krynn stuff, it was in the 90s early 00s and i think that was pre Planar trees

rough fractal
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Wait, does Krynn only have the 5 options in the book?

crude blaze
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Perhaps such individuals stepped through a portal and found themselves on Krynn, or traded with one of Krynn’s great empires before the Cataclysm. Use such possibilities to play characters of any race you please in your adventures across Krynn.
That’s the stance in Dragonlance 5E

white ravine
rough fractal
crude blaze
white ravine
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'World accurate' is a bit pointless once you try changing the accuracy of a world via stuff like spelljammer since spelljammer itself modifies everything

rough fractal
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I like that a lot

white ravine
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Not that its bad, but its simply how it goes

crude blaze
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Very standard high fantasy

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I enjoy it though

delicate ruin
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Kender, human, high elf and dwarf, are what was in the OG Krynn

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no hobbits, no orcs

crude blaze
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You also have the occasional half elf

delicate ruin
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yes, and tanis

rough fractal
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So gnome was added in 5e? I saw it had a very little section

crude blaze
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Like one of the main characters of the original trilogy is a half elf

crude blaze
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(That’s mostly a joke, please don’t come for my throat)

delicate ruin
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Kender were different enough to be there own thing. Also i loved Hobbits as a kid but hated HATED the kender.

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i can't remeber why though, not fully

crude blaze
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I hate pre-5E kender. I’m happy they decided to stray from the inherently thieving aspect of them, but I also feel like WOTC should’ve just been like, “Just use halfling stats to play kender”.

white ravine
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Kender were fun in my eyes but I can get the frustration

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Frankly I hate the new Kender because the sheer volume of brute force applied to the lore to make them 'friendlier' makes me roll me eyes

delicate ruin
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Me reading the DR novels as a kid: "Oh this is such a delightful adventure. I swear Tasselhoff i will see you die one day..... oh Raistlin, you so cranky."

crude blaze
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I’m currently reading the OG trilogy and Raistlin really is so cranky

delicate ruin
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as an adult rereading the books i was like "Why did i hate this guy so much?"

crude blaze
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Homie’s like, “I almost died for power by choice, and I’m gonna make it everybody else’s problem.”

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“Now carry me everywhere, but I’m gonna aggressively tell you I don’t need your help.”

delicate ruin
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Caramon has more Patience than i could ever hope to possess.

crude blaze
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A much better brother than I could ever hope to be tbqh

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Especially considering all he would need to do is flick Raistlin to snap him in half

stuck breach
stuck breach
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If you don't want to invest enough in a setting to accept its limits, you might want to ask yourself if you really want to play in that setting

rough fractal
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For example, does that mean that all monstrous humanoids aren't present? Goblins, yuan-ti, etc?

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When I design Krynn encounters do intelligent bipedal monsters not have a place there?

stuck breach
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A D&D setting book typically will give information on which races are in it, and won't provide a list of races which aren't in it

rough fractal
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Yeah I'm gathering that now

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So Krynn, does it have monstrous intelligent humanoids that aren't PC options but DMs can use for combat or NPCs?

stuck breach
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Or, I imagine if you buy the Dragonlance book which just came out, it would likely have such information

rough fractal
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I did just buy it

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I'm asking in the lore channel for lore info

indigo tinsel
rough fractal
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Maybe I'm reading tone incorrectly, but it's something wrong?

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Haven't read the adventure itself, my partner and I aren't sure which one of us are running it

stuck breach
indigo tinsel
rough fractal
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Okay, thanks for the clarification. In my mind reading your messages made it sound like you were frustrated with me

stuck breach
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I appreciate you asking rather than assuming I was and reacting from a place of misunderstanding

rough fractal
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No problem

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The map in that book is beautiful. Looks great on the wall

rough fractal
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Wait wait wait, if Devils don't exist in Krynn is Pact of the Fiend off the table?

vast trench
rough fractal
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Are there other subclasses that rely on planes or magic that aren't present in Dragonlance?

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Has the Circle of Eight ever been to Dragonlance? Should Circle of Eight and Tasha named spells not be present there?

white ravine
rough fractal
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Where's the source on no fiends?

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I can't find anything like that

iron saffron
rough fractal
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Abyss is demons though, not devils. Is Krynn Abyss both?

stuck breach
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Both devils and demons are fiends

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Pact of the fiend could be with a demon just as easily as with a devil

crude blaze
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Some settings also don’t really differentiate so much between devils and demons. Idk if that’s the case with Dragonlance.

iron saffron
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I don't remember much about the Dragonlance setting. I never played it back in the day.

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But demons are fiends.

white ravine
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Fiends exist in dragonlance AFAIK

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sharp owl
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Because tieflings don't exist on Krynn

iron saffron
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Tieflings weren't a playable race when Dragonlance came out (they first appeared in 2E Planescape but weren't a playable race until 4E (correct me if I'm wrong))

rough fractal
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Oh I didn't know if there was something about fiends or the planes or something that makes it not work

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Because if Warlocks of the Fiend and devil cults can exist, what prevents a person from being cursed with a tief kid?

iron saffron
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Krynn wasn't your typical D&D fantasy setting. There weren't orcs, for example.

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Well, as DM you can override that but then the sudden appears of a devilish tiefling may frighten people.

rough fractal
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Well yeah, tiefs are a scary curse

rough fractal
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Anyway, I was just curious what about the magic and planes of the setting made it impossible

iron saffron
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Well, again since tieflings (the playable race) were created post Dragonlance novels you'll have to retcon it like the Star Wars Prequel movies showing that Anakin Skywalker was the creator of C3PO.

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As DM you can handwave they've always existed on some remote part of Krynn in seclusion post-Cataclysm.

white ravine
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Makes sense for tieflings to exist if demons and devils do, after all tieflings are just a blend of hell energy and some unlucky mortal.

iron saffron
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Yeah, spelljamming was a thing in Krynnspace. Although I don't know if it's post-War of the Lance...

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sharp owl
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The curse party is specific to FR lore

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In other settings, they have different origins

rough fractal
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Oh seriously?

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I thought curse was typical tief

sharp owl
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In Eberron, tieflings are those who have been blessed by the powers of the Demon Wastes
In Exandria, they're simply people with fiendish heritage, much in the same way as genasi or aasimar

rough fractal
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Well if the curse isn't universal to just how the magic works in the multiverse, then there's no reason for them to by in Krynn at all

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I was just trying to figure out what made that curse work differently in Krynn than everywhere else, but if it works differently everywhere it makes sense for it to just not happen somewhere

sharp owl
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Here's the sidebar dunl is referencing

PEOPLE FROM BEYOND

Peoples who aren’t native to the world still might find their way to Krynn. It’s possible to find individual members—or even small enclaves—of folk like dragonborn, halflings, tieflings, or any other race in Ansalon. Perhaps such individuals stepped through a portal and found themselves on Krynn, or traded with one of Krynn’s great empires before the Cataclysm. Use such possibilities to play characters of any race you please in your adventures across Krynn.

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Dragonlance lore does include multiversal interactions

rough fractal
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Yeah I read that, thanks

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Random portals to different worlds in the multiverse often bug me. Just feels like an excuse to allow a race inappropriate to a setting into a game, like a Warforged into Faerun or something. Bugs me

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Personal thing though, obviously

iron saffron
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Spelljamming.

rough fractal
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I'm not looking for solutions to bring races to other multiverse worlds

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The portal thing just feels like a meta response to player desires I guess?

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Like "we know you guys will want to play orcs and goblins and dragonborn, here's a handy solution to give you what you want"

iron saffron
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Well, the Dragonlance lore has been dormant for 25+ years, during the time tieflings became a popular playable race. So there's no definitive answer if you're looking for one.

rough fractal
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Davyd told me the answer, it's that they aren't a curse in every setting. The magic works differently multiversally than I thought

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I was wrong from a core assumption

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The portal complaint had nothing to do with tieflings, it was just a general complaint about multiverse portals

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Plus, it totally disconnects a character from their setting. No friends, family, contacts, not even world knowledge. I hate that of of a PC

sharp owl
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I think you should re-read the sidebar from above. It's not referring exclusively to "I came through a portal yesterday". It also covers people who maybe came through as entire communities and set up small, isolated enclaves. So they still have those connections

crude blaze
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I’m all for WOTC telling DMs, “If your player wants to play a race that doesn’t typically appear in Dragonlance and you’re okay with it, just go for it.”

harsh eagle
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Any narrative plot hooks for amythyst dragons? It’s hard to come up with a good motivation to hunt down one of those folks

crude blaze
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With that being said, I think the easy answer is that they pose some sort of threat to the world in the name of Multiversal balance.

forest rock
quick escarp
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how tall are duergar?

final hazel
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Yep, they all have the same descriptions in terms of size, RAW anyways.

quick escarp
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The fan art i see for duergar have them quite tall

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Ah

unkempt merlin
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They have the ability to magically become larger

spark haven
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they have Enlarge/Reduce 1/day

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so that makes sense

quick escarp
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Oh that makes a lot more sense

mystic merlin
# rough fractal Random portals to different worlds in the multiverse often bug me. Just feels li...

From memory, that sort of thing is actually possible in and also part of the canon of, dragonlance. Takhisis herself would often go to other worlds, or try to, and the whole of “Krynnspace” was isolated enough at some point she stole it.

The problem about being upset with Warforged or dragonborn in dragonlance though, is that the stat block for [warforged] doesn’t need to be an automaton awoken in the Great War from eberron and only thirty years old. It could be the great work of a gnome maester.

The PHB has referenced dragonborn as how draconians should work since 2014.

I also want to reference that a module with “aliens on a downed ship from another world uploaded themselves to the CPU for safety, you can release them” was set up way back in 1980, setting a precedent for both forms; “I just got here and am a Klingon out of water” and “my people have been here long enough for me to fit in but not completely” 🙂

The kneejerk response is valid. I have the same feeling. But I find stepping back and sort of meditating, letting the pieces settle in my heads, it’s not so bad.

mystic merlin
quick escarp
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Yea makes sense

daring vessel
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it was

rough fractal
livid aspen
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Gotcha, np

mystic merlin
ripe shale
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I think "thought about a lot" refers to the trope in general.

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And I can see that. A lot of media right now is into multiverses, and I'm kinda over them. XD

rough fractal
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I mean I had a person try to play a warforged from Eberron in my Faerun campaign, and even though we changed it I still feel like allowing Warforged at all was a horrible decision

mystic merlin
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Why? aren’t the nimblewrights native to Faerun?

rough fractal
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It just felt so detached and out of place

bright panther
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ok so the phb suggests that dnd settings are possibly more chill about queer ppl than a lot of irl history

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are there any notable examples of queer characters in official settings?

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I’m especially curious if there’s anything mentioning like. how it fits into the world if that makes sense? like just how lgbt people exist in the background of the settings

hexed plaza
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There isn’t much about gender and sexuality in any form. Some might argue that makes it open for each table to follow its own path.

bright panther
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yeah alright that’s fair

lofty bloom
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in some adventures they include LGBTQ+ NPCs, but rarely are they anyone influential

rough fractal
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Queer icon of Faerun

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Also, Ed Greenwood has talked before about how most nobility in Faerun are openly polyamorous

crude blaze
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Is Jarlaxle officially queer? I thought that was mostly community projection.

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Cool if yes

rough fractal
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I thought he had been shown as pansexual in a book somewhere

mystic merlin
forest rock
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That good thing is when you run a DnD game its your world if you want to make it queer and proud go for it,

trail talon
bright panther
trail talon
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A lot of greenwood's own preferences in this regard are all over the old forgotten realms lore.

mystic merlin
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So much so that original FR drow were albino

forest rock
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@bright panther There are tons in exandria and I think radiant citadel may have some

trail talon
bright panther
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what I think is really cool is settings where there are bits of evidence scattered here and there throughout a setting acknowledging queer ppl existing in the setting

cunning girder
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I think there are a handful of NPCs in Dragon Heist, but they aren't much background on them. I think it is something like " A Gensai and his Tiefling husband run the general store"

bright panther
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yeah ok that’s based

crude blaze
mystic merlin
bright panther
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yeah also fair lol

cunning girder
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I am accepting I am an old man now. Can someone explain what based actually means to me?

crude blaze
cunning girder
crude blaze
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I believe there's also a queer couple in Frozen Sick that features as kind of quest-significant NPCs.

rough fractal
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I mean didn't Ed basically make a statement that bisexuality is the norm there in response to some annoying bigot?

bright panther
rough fractal
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Maybe I'm incorrect, but I feel like he talked about that

mystic merlin
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But yes, he did that.

bright panther
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but in addition to that I personally love seeing how it integrates with a setting on a more subtle level as well

rough fractal
bright panther
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awesome I’ll take a look!

rough fractal
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Even if he doesn't weigh in on publications, it's still his creation. His words hold weight

crude blaze
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Unless people only consider published lore to be canon. Which many do.

cunning girder
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There is a trans NPC in Wildemount.

Duasad was raised as a woman, but realized as a young adult that something wasn’t right, and sought a mage to help him transition — a fairly simple task in the concord, at least for those with affluence.

crude blaze
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Dragonlance is having an issue atm where WOTC is publishing lore that the original creators don't agree with, so it becomes an issue of "whose lore is more valid". Greenwood's iteration of the Realms kinda falls into the same category: "Whose lore is more canon: the original creator, or the legal entity that currently publishes said lore?"

rough fractal
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I'm gonna side with artist over corporations

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I've yet to see a point where published and Ed's word conflict, do you have any examples?

crude blaze
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And that's perfectly within your right, and I tend to as well (Dragonlance actually being one of the exceptions). But you're not always going to be agreed with.

bright panther
crude blaze
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At least not by everyone

mystic merlin
crude blaze
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Yeah, like it or not, he signed ownership over to WOTC.

mystic merlin
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Luckily the first thing WotC said was “make the game your own!” So I tend to just nod at their decisions and toss them into the fireplace TashaLOL

Greenwood’s realms are way more interesting.

rough fractal
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He built it, that's like saying Water Lillies isn't Monet's just because it's at the Met. No matter who owns it, it's the artists' works

trail talon
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Except that water lilies is a static work. The forgotten realms have changed significantly since greenwood relinquished his control over it.

sharp owl
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It's like a fork in a codebase; there's the WotC branch and the Greenwood branch and it depends which one you're developing off of

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However, all the official apps use the WotC branch

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But that doesn't stop home developers using either branch

crude blaze
cunning girder
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And your personal branch could always pull from both forks if you so desire
(Did I get the source control language right?)

trail talon
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I don't think tangibility is particularly relevant.

rough fractal
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A fork in a code base? Like a fork in a road, does code do that?

grim dagger
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I'd go with Greenwood wrote the original script, and it's gone through a bunch of reboots since.

sharp owl
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Yes, very much so

trail talon
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Not that it doesn't matter, but that it doesn't matter in this instance

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Like all children, forgotten realms didn't grow up to be exactly what its parent wanted, having been influenced by friends and college professors and random people in bars as it grew up.

bright panther
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tbh at the end of the day ig there are a gazillion dnd worlds, and none of them are really the one true version?

rough fractal
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How did FR change from Ed's vision?

bright panther
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it’s like old folk stories where they change and evolve and shift with each retelling

grim dagger
rough fractal
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(Oh that's a cute piece)

crude blaze
trail talon
bright panther
crude blaze
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Those two became NPCs in my Strixhaven campaign

rough fractal
grim dagger
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Did they hang out with the two after their sunset date Reg?

cunning girder
crude blaze
grim dagger
rough fractal
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Oh gosh, the dreaded canon link

trail talon
rough fractal
crude blaze
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It was kind of a bit in my game where they kinda went around like, "I don't understand, why are the students responsible for security, and not the faculty?"

trail talon
grim dagger
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This is the part of the official statement on canon that I think is relevant here:

It can also be said that every campaign that’s ever been run in any of our published settings has its own canon. Your version of the Forgotten Realms has its own canon, which doesn’t make it any less valid than anyone else’s version. Elminster might be a lich in your Forgotten Realms campaign. Elminster might be a miniature giant space hamster in mine—both are acceptable and awesome.

mystic merlin
grim dagger
fiery jolt
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what ever happened to the 'Blessed of Corellon'? does that no longer exist now that Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes is legacy? why was it not carried over to the new Mordenkainen book?

crude blaze
rough fractal
cunning girder
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Another example is Pathfinder and D&D. Pathfinder 1e was kind of built on a fork of D&D 3.5e, and the two systems have diverged

rough fractal
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It and Volo's both

sharp owl
fiery jolt
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i know it stopped being a valid AL option when the new book came out

crude blaze
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I'm honestly kinda conflicted about the Blessed of Corellon thing tbh.

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I'm all for trans rep, but I think that specific thing leans too much into making trans folk this "mystical magical creature", if that makes sense. And it doesn't sit too well with me.

rough fractal
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I liked it. Made for a great cleric or bladesinger

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Oh, I didn't really think of it as magical genderfluid, just literally a reflection of the connection to the awesome power of Corellon

quick escarp
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What's the typical behaviour of a stone giant?

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I'm wanting to have my duergar character be adopted by stone giants underground but i can't think of a reason the child would have been left behind

crude blaze
rough fractal
quick escarp
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my only guess is some sort of stone giant hostile takeover, but im not sure if stone giants would do that

rough fractal
quick escarp
rough fractal
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I wasn't ever under the impression only genderqueer elves got Blessed by Corellon

rough fractal
quick escarp
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Is that one of the books or something?

rough fractal
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Yeah

quick escarp
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Is it on dndbeyond?

rough fractal
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I dunno, I use physical

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Can you still buy it on DDB?

crude blaze
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no

sharp owl
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Not any more, it was delisted

quick escarp
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Do you think it'd be in character for stone giants to take over an underground mountain home

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or well, society, not home

rough fractal
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So you have to get a physical version of it now?

trail talon
rough fractal
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I don't have my books on me right now

quick escarp
sharp owl
trail talon
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You have access to it

quick escarp
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It's discussing stone giant lore, no?

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Im asking a lore question relating to stone giant tendencies

sharp owl
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This channel is for discussing the lore of specific settings

rough fractal
quick escarp
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When I ask these questions there I get told to come here so im not sure

sharp owl
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So you might wanna specify which setting you're playing in

crude blaze
quick escarp
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It's closest to eberron

delicate ruin
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Dragon realms or Forgotten lance. It makes a difference

sharp owl
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Stone giants from Eberron can be quite different from those from Faerun

quick escarp
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I mean the general outline is that I want my character to have been adopted by stone giants and I'm wondering lorewise which giants that's plausible for

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I can work on the character stuff after I know that

rough fractal
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Ah, here's the stone giant lore. They're basically reclusive artists

sharp owl
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That sounds like a question best directed at your DM if I'm behind honest

rough fractal
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Am I able to quote non-SRD lore passages here or no?

crude blaze
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I think in the Realms they also have this strange lore about thinking that the surface world is a dreamscape because their perspective of reality mostly is underground.

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Might be a fun thing to lean into.

quick escarp
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I feel like you're oddly motivated to push me away from here

quick escarp
sharp owl
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Didn't you say you were playing in Eberron?

quick escarp
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It's a setting very similar to eberron

sharp owl
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That's the problem; this channel is (per the description) "For discussion of the lore of the various official D&D settings"
If the setting is "very similar" to Eberron, you should speak to your DM because giants in Eberron are different to those in the realms

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They're the former rules of a now long collapsed empire

trail talon
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Eberron has fairly distinct giant lore much the same way that it has distinct dragon lore.

crude blaze
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Curious to see what Bigby's Big Ol' Book of Big Boys does to make giants setting agnostic (if that's the goal at all)

sharp owl
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They blew up the moon with magical weapons and made little floating AI balls called....

mystic merlin
# rough fractal So you have to get a physical version of it now?

If you do not already have it on DDB, yes.

They’re hard to find now. Lot of people who hated it for softening up monsters snapped it up after the delist because “muh lore”, which kills me cuz they didn’t care to begin with and are making it harder for those of us who do

sharp owl
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Uh, what are they called? Docents?

trail talon
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Also there were multiple giant cultures

trail talon
mystic merlin
cunning girder
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Is there Giant lore in Rising from the Last War or in Keith Baker's third party books?

sharp owl
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That'd be why there's fewer moons than there used to be

mystic merlin
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Man I need to get more Eberron lore

rough fractal
cunning girder
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It's on my to-do list to read up on Eberron more

mystic merlin
trail talon
sharp owl
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I love that docents are super ancient giant tech, yet are somehow connected to warforged

mystic merlin
quick escarp
crude blaze
trail talon
sharp owl
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Yeah, that's what I assumed

cunning girder
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I may have to go digging backwards after I finish RftLW and Exploring Eberron then. Thanks Reg 🙂

crude blaze
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I think in RftLW it's mostly chalked up to "giants had an ancient sophisticated civilization that has since fallen, you can find their ruins in Xen'drik" and they kinda just left it at that.

mystic merlin
zenith dust
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They're definitely a resurgence of an earlier people in some way - there are no extant warforged more than about 30 years old, but there are warforged-only artifacts and magic items that are thousands of years old

crude blaze
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I’ve personally toyed with the idea of predecessors to Warforged that all died off with the fall of the giant civilization and just haven’t been discovered yet cuz Xen’drik is a hellscape of a dungeon.

sharp owl
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I'm now imagining infinitely more complex warforged, maybe almost indistinguishable from elves or humans for example, being found somewhere in Xen'drik

crude blaze
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Alternatively (though a bit boring) those specialty subrace warforged that went from UA to Exploring Eberron

trail talon
eager bay
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Bahamut 👍

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Tiamat 👎

cunning girder
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Sardior 🫴

eager bay
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Well Tiamat is evil

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Bahamut is good

mystic merlin
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This is true but she’s still a cool character.

eager bay
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Yeah she is

forest rock
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Only from one point of view

eager bay
obsidian gate
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lots of heads are cool though

eager bay
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Yes

cunning girder
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I do have an idea for a campaign where the party is working to release Tiamat, but it is still an early concept

eager bay
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It’s crazy that in the cartoon the level one adventurers don’t face kobold or anything but hecking Tiamat

unkempt merlin
mystic merlin
bright panther
crude blaze
loud karma
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I just read about thunder blessing made 1/5 new dwarf a twin. Is it still in effect?

lyric surge
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Huh

iron saffron
frozen fulcrum
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Cause last big event if i remember is the spellplegue

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Or the sundering

oak marten
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do all fey weapons and stuff take design inspiration from nature, plants and bugs?

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i keep seeing that and I wanna see if thats like,,,, written in the lore somewhere

crude blaze
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I think it’s definitely a common thing, but not really canon.

oak marten
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ahh ok,,,,

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i'm working on some mini stuff and wanted to see if that was canon lol

faint lion
# oak marten i'm working on some mini stuff and wanted to see if that was canon lol

You should never feel like you are restrained by "canon." Published canon should only be thought of as inspiration. If you have an idea for something in your world (even if that world is based in the Forgotten Realms) that conflicts with "official" canon, go with your idea. That will become the canon of your campaign, which is the only canon you should feel even remotely constrained by.

crude blaze
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It’s just one of those things. Fey have always been associated with nature.

oak marten
iron saffron
# frozen fulcrum Or the sundering

The "recent" cataclysms on Toril:
Time of Troubles 1358 DR (marking the transition from 1E to 2E)
Spellplague was 1385 DR–1480 DR (marking the transition from 3E to 4E)
The Second Sundering was 1482 DR (marking the transition from 4E to 5E)

mystic merlin
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Isn’t 5e presently in the 1390s? Or is it the 1490s?

faint lion
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1490s. I don't think it's actually in the book, but I believe Chris Perkins pegged the events of Waterdeep: Dragon Heist as occurring in 1492.

sharp owl
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It's important to note that D&D fifth edition does not have a progressing canon that runs through the adventures

mystic merlin
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Okay. I actually thought the timeline was rolled back so the spellplague didn’t happen, so the numbers threw me off

sharp owl
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Per the canon article, the only 'canon' is the core three books
The best way to think of it is that each adventure is it's own timeline branching off from the nexus that is the lore as stated in the core three books

iron saffron
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Eh, the only canon that matters is at your table.

grim dagger
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In this channel, no. This channel is about the established lore.

iron saffron
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Well, WotC kinda wiped everything off the books pre-5E...

rough fractal
delicate ruin
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I wish there was an expansive official canon 5E lore because some of the stuff that came before was so good. Novels, comics and now, movies. Even when being a bit problematic it was all great fun.

sharp owl
rough fractal
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So SCAG isn't canon?

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What's the point of it then? Non-canon DM options and bad player options?

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Also, the Eberron book isn't canon to Eberron? Theros isn't a canon book?

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How on earth can the big three be the only sources of canon?

storm dagger
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I think you are misunderstanding

crude blaze
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I also think there’s a difference between lore and canon.

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You maybe conflating the two as the same.

delicate ruin
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i think we must make the disctionion of "Canon to what" Because there is "Canon to the realms" and "Canon to Eberon" and "Canon to Ravnica" etc

rough fractal
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I've read that article repeatedly (out of malice) and I remember no distinction being made

zenith dust
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that's not what stu was talking about

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it's just that "D&D" doesn't have a canon

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it has multiple canons

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to whatever end that applies

delicate ruin
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this singular lore channel has a lot of heavy lifting to do as there are a myriad of Dimensions, worlds and settings all under the D&D umbrella. Cadderly Bonaduce isn't going to show up and get into a magic fight with Jace Belaran

zenith dust
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saying that the lord of blades is building an army/civilization doesn't mean that he's canon to faerun

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even if he is, to eberron

rough fractal
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I just don't understand how they can publish strictly lore books like SCAG and Eberron and Theros and Ravnica and none of it is canon

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What was the point of the lore books if it doesn't tell us what's actually happening in the setting and it's just telling us what could be happening in the setting?

crude blaze
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Inspiration

rough fractal
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If I wanted to make it up instead of researching, I'd run a homebrew setting

crude blaze
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The point was never to say, “This is exactly how the world should be run, and you’re not doing it right if you change it”, it’s to provide inspiration for how you can run a campaign in said world, or even just take elements to include in your homebrew.

delicate ruin
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it gives you the option to "play it by the book" or "A little off the book." But the book is there as a starting point.

zenith dust
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so here's the fun thing - you are jumping from "this is not necessarily the only way to play in the setting" to "you HAVE to invent everything whole cloth" with no middle ground

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and you're losing out on the important thing that setting books do and that's provide a background of feel and knowledge. if you're playing in the realms all that stuff in scag can be used. it doesn't have to be, but it can be

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and you and your players will share that common ground.

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just because it isn't some enforced canon that has to be this way for everyone's game, doesn't mean you have to ignore it

rough fractal
delicate ruin
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I make my own setting because i am a madman. Not everyone wants to do that, but they are not bound to the source book as gospel, should they pick one up.

rough fractal
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The one part of the article I really hate is when they say the core three are the starting canon, but go on to talk about how Strahd sleeping in a coffin and Zariel is archduke of Avernus. Okay, cool, so consistent truths are canon in settings? Broad strokes? What if we have no previous sourcebooks, then which parts are canon?

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I mean I wouldn't even call Zariel a broad stroke, that's a pretty specific lore nugget that they canonized

zenith dust
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so.. you know that the crux of the article is that what you want to be canon at your table.. is canon, yeah?

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you can pick and choose the stuff you feel is best

crude blaze
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Yeah, I feel like you’re making this leap between it’s all canon or none of it is.

iron saffron
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Well, I've ignored most of the 4E FR lore at my table...

zenith dust
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and that it matters at all

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outside of publishing

crude blaze
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The article merely states that you decide what’s canon for your specific table. Which is what people have been doing for decades anyways.

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WOTC just typed an article stating “keep doing what you’re doing, we support you”.

pine whale
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i feel like this is the general consensus:
The canon is there to help you, give you a good base. You can use the base, ignore it, build off it, it doesn’t matter. It’s your table.

sharp owl
crude blaze
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But again, I think there should be a distinction here between lore and canon.

rough fractal
crude blaze
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Is it tho?

rough fractal
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Yes?

pine whale
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canon: “the things that affect a storyline”
lore: “the storyline”
official: “anything that is published by wotc”

sharp owl
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What this means is that there is no continuity of events between say Tomb of Annihilation and Rime of the Frost Maiden

crude blaze
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I’ve played in a campaign that had very loose history because the DM just hadn’t come up with lore yet. That was super fun.

rough fractal
sharp owl
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I turn pings off when I'm not replying, but highlighting a message

sharp owl
crude blaze
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Like I’m not at all a believer that the world and its history has to be fully fleshed out to get a completely fulfilling D&D experience

rough fractal
sharp owl
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Because it provides lore

crude blaze
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And again: inspiration

sharp owl
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Lore and canon are not synonyms

rough fractal
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But incorrect lore, depending on what other authors do?

sharp owl
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It gives you a snapshot of the flavour of the Sword Coast

crude blaze
rough fractal
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Sure, but not to the Realms

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To your Realms yes, THE Realms no

crude blaze
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Canon to my version on the Realms, yes.

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Idk, I feel like we have this conversation pretty frequently. I’m sorry you think all your games have to be to the exact T of what the original creators intended, but I think that’s a completely uncommon way to play the game, and quite honestly, would make this game 1000% less interesting to me.

sharp owl
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The fact there is no canon means there is no incorrect lore, which is something WotC has explicitly stated

iron saffron
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Well, you get to make up the lore for the rest of Toril outside of the Sword Coast because not much has been updated since 2E, 3.5E, and 4E. I've had to do that with Tashalar and Halruaa for my campaign.

crude blaze
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Having WOTC formally say “keep doing what you’ve already been doing” was a huge step in the right direction in my eyes.

iron saffron
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Yeah, that statement was pretty much stating the obvious that most tables were already doing for decades.

sharp owl
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The events of the Driz novels is not expected to be coharminous with the events of the adventures or others novels

rough fractal
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So what is true to FR then? Just the monster lore in MM and the Zariel thing because they said it in their article?

sharp owl
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It's all true, it's just not all canon

crude blaze
sharp owl
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In the Realms it's true that Acererak released the Death Curse and that Auril cursed the Icewind Dale with winter. Those truths just didn't happen in the same versions of the Realms

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Unless they did in your version of the Realms

iron saffron
crude blaze
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I honestly don’t understand all the huff about canon being defined by WOTC, you can just as easily make all of what they wrote canon in your games. Just as easily as ignoring it all.

iron saffron
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I've yet to DM any of the 5E hardcover adventures. Lorewise I've yet to officially say those events have happened at my table because maybe one day I'll DM Rime of the Frostmaiden.

crude blaze
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They just reinforced the removal of a limitation that never existed to begin with.

iron saffron
rough fractal
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My favorite part is playing in an official setting has always been that it's a shared expectation. If you and I are playing in the same world, I can expect we experience the same cities, the same streets, if I say my party killed the green dragon plaguing the Dreaded Forest, I can expect you to say "Wilting? Nice! Wilting is amassing followers in our game, I'm worried he'll attack Cityville next. We're dealing with a mummy right now though" or whatever. If nothing is universally true to the settings, it scares me that the shared language will go away

crude blaze
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I’d imagine that’s what Adventurer’s League is for

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But then again, idk Adventurer’s League well enough to know if the canon article affected them in any way.

iron saffron
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I use the Forgotten Realms setting because it's less work for me to world build and if my players are interested in the lore they can go to the FR wiki to dive in (some of them have), which saves me time trying to explain what Halruaa is as they travelled to that hermit kingdom.

rough fractal
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The game store near me just uses AL branding to get people to go to their one shot nights where they don't actually play AL

crude blaze
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And I still think that “shared language” didn’t exist as commonly as you might think. Pretty much every campaign I’ve seen in that was in an official setting has had some minor change to it that officially made it “not canon”.

sharp owl
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AL is kinda like that, but my experience of playing in the same setting as someone else has always been
"Oh, cool, you're playing X? Did your players go to Y?"
"Oh, not, Y got destroyed when they played Z last year so I had to rewrite things"

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That's what makes the idea of a canon for adventures untenable to me

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The lore may be similar, but the events will almost always be different

crude blaze
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So even in the community of shared common expectations you couldn’t expect the same lore, is what I’m understanding.

sharp owl
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For example, it could be as simple as one group doing SKT then TOD and another group doing TOD then SKT

rough fractal
crude blaze
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Tyranny of Dragons, I take it

rough fractal
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That wasn't supposed to be a reply at all, sorry

crude blaze
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All good

rough fractal
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I haven't played TOD, is that just more Cult of the Dragon doing their thing?

crude blaze
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Yes

rough fractal
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Figures

covert island
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Or if you go from DoIP into SKT you have to rewrite a certain encounter because of something that connects the two adventures :P

crude blaze
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Tiamat wants out, and her mortal Material Plane agents are aiming to get the job done.

delicate ruin
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Well Tiamat wouldn't be in time out if she could just play nice with her brother or anyone else for that matter

crude blaze
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, am I rite?

ripe shale
sharp owl
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I was talking about my experience playing in the same setting as other people (outside of AL)

mystic merlin
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It is rarer, but the Lore wonk who constantly corrects you or tails other people what to expect in your game, is just as bad as the rules lawyer

ripe shale
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Although, even AL gives you some leeway with the situations of a published work:

Make decisions about how the group interacts with the adventure; adjust or improvise but maintain the adventure’s spirit. The setting, general story, and prominent NPCs of the adventure should remain largely the same; if an adventure introduces the characters to Cassyt, the plucky acolyte of Kelemvor that resides in Phlan, your players should experience that as well. Less important details, such as the time of year, minor NPCs, or the weather can be tailored to your group.

crude blaze
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It’s just as disruptive

ripe shale
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The way I see Lore vs Canon is that Lore is the stuff that exists before your players touch the setting. Canon is changeable because your players touch the setting.

iron saffron
mystic merlin
# ripe shale The way I see Lore vs Canon is that Lore is the stuff that exists before your pl...

Does the idea of Canaan is that there is a correct history that has already happened and you need to cleave to it, and the reason people dislike it and dislike “meta-plot” is that a game which has canonicity in it, is going to write the next book, as if it were part of the canon. Which means that same language, that same stuff that “happened in the past” is now considered to be contemporary with your adventurers, even if it is contradictory.

unkempt merlin
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||I assume you were talking about Cryovains mystical de-aging||

covert island
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Ye, which is why I always thought its the other way around^^

unkempt merlin
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Dermatologists hate him

sharp owl
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This one simple continuity error

mystic merlin
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That’s it, I’ve had enough
errors ur continuity

delicate ruin
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Unplagues your spell.

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which is something that WoTC kinda already did

languid bison
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Yeah canon in AL is all kinds of wonky. One day you could be doing an adventure in chult preparing for ToA, the next adventure maybe you sign up for a happy little jaunt through Tentowns while your character blips out of chult.

Then they might accidentally get locked in the mists and can’t come out until they give Strahd a swirly only to find out that pesky lich is making healing difficult again.

stuck breach
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When you're playing a series of one-shots, looking at it as an episodic rather than a serial might be helpful

scarlet cedar
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lore wise, how do blood hunters get their power?

chrome river
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mainly through the hunters bane which is a ritual they perform on themselves to obtain their abilities, different subclasses (orders) have different rituals afaik

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i dont remember the "official" lore, technically not official since BH is still homebrew

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quoted from the ddb blood hunter page,

"Far from the judging eyes of society, blood hunters have mastered the secretive techniques of hemocraft, finding blood magic’s esoteric nature effective against evils that resist divine rebuke or arcane bindings. Through careful study and practice, blood hunters hone the rites of hemocraft into unique combat techniques, forfeiting a portion of their own health to call blood curses down upon their enemies or summon the elements to aid their strikes. Willing to suffer whatever it takes to achieve victory, these adept warriors have forged themselves into a potent force dedicated to protecting the innocent."

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Hunter's Bane:

"At 1st level, you have survived the Hunter’s Bane—a dangerous, long-guarded ritual that alters your life’s blood, forever binding you to the darkness and honing your senses against it. You have advantage on Wisdom (Survival) checks to track fey, fiends, or undead, as well as on Intelligence checks to recall information about such creatures.

The Hunter’s Bane also empowers your body to control and shape hemocraft magic, using your own blood and life essence to fuel your abilities. Some of your features require your target to make a saving throw to resist the feature’s effects."

scarlet cedar
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thank you

unkempt merlin
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Best official blood hunter lore (in terms of actual 5e content, aka not the class) is in the wildemount book

quick escarp
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average hill giant's behaviour?

iron saffron
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Hungry

stuck breach
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Hungry, brutish, "me stronk"

spice meteor
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I'm bigger than you, I'm stronger than you, I'm higher up on the food chain, get in ma belleh!

lucid wren
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Imma eat ya then eat your family then eat your sheep then eat your village than wonder why I have no food

hazy apex
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what is the worst plane you could be sent to

crude blaze
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Abyss

sharp owl
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I'd say the Negative Energy Plane followed by the Far Realm

fiery jolt
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i feel like saying Limbo would be setting the bar too low

crude blaze
sharp owl
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It's "be immediately destroyed by anti-life energy to such a fundamental degree your soul is eradicated and you never reach the afterlife" vs "a realm of writhing flesh and madness personified where you're lucky if you die at all"

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But at least if you do die in the Far Realm, you still get an afterlife

crude blaze
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As a lump of flesh

spiral flax
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Elemental plane of Earth? Suffocating doesn't sound fun excluding aforementioned realms.

eager bay
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anyone familiar with Mark Anthony?

iron saffron
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Cleopatra's lover?

eager bay
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lmao, no it's a forgotten realms author

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i really like his writing style, i want to find more like it

iron saffron
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Why not both?

eager bay
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true

shadow frost
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Am I right or wrong about warforge lore, warforge if I’m not wrong have souls, willing or unwilling transferred into machine bodies and they can’t remember anything. Is it not wrong to say that a baby’s soul could be transferred into a warforge body and be raised as a warforge?

unkempt merlin
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Warforged have souls yes.

How or why (or the fact that they even have them) is unknown in lore

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There is nothing definitive about it being transferred or anything. Just speculation and the like

mystic merlin
shadow frost
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Ah neat, so there's nothing about making humans into robots yet.

zenith dust
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It isn't explicit and bot even really implied either

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They aren't a vessel for another identity, they are a vessel for their own

white ravine
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Mainly because theres no escape

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Once your in, either someone powerful helps reel you out or you just die

prisma needle
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Is there a place where an individual can read up on the lore of D&D? Something akin to an encyclopedia or annals?

dry wharf
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There is no lore of D&D. There is lore of the worlds of D&D.

forest rock
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source books, novels, PHB, DMG all have lore in them

rocky ermine
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During the spell plauge was ALL magic just turned off?

sterile breach
mystic merlin
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I would be careful with wikis. There’s a specific quality to them where the fan writers don’t properly interpret things or interpret too freely, and you find weird emphasis on which events are given depth versus gloss

sterile breach
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Valid! They are a starting place, at the least, and many of them include their references, which is potentially even more useful for folks who don’t know where to go exactly for further info.

mortal helm
rocky ermine
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What about clerics paladins? Warlocks?

And what about magic items? Did they get thier magic back after the SP?

mortal helm
mystic merlin
rocky ermine
mystic merlin
mystic merlin
mortal helm
mystic merlin
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Honestly I avoided FR back them because of bad experiences with some eleitist players, so I have no idea and don’t have those books yet

cloud lintel
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I'm attempting to create a series of short stories for the FR universe. Something (somewhat) different I would hope

delicate ruin
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My memory is hazy I think after the spell plauge, it was kind of a gamble to use a magic item that was pre spell plague. Some of them lost their powers, some of them functioned but differently than intended, some would work just fine and some of them would just explode. I don't remember where i read that, and it might now be true, but it is what we played during 4E. Old Magic items were unpredictable, but still of value to magic researchers, so a lot of them were used as trade ins for other stuff.

pale stump
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How would you rank every edition's lore?

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I think it'd be something like

2e
3e
5e
1e
4e

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Or maybe i'd swap the last three around or something idk

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But #1 being 2e and #2 being 3e is a given

shrewd coral
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wild

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for me I'd have to put 2nd ed first also, because it's got a lot of weird places that turn the outer planes into an actual fragmented setting

pale stump
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Yeah 2e writing was just so much above anything else we got in the history of this game

shrewd coral
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and then it's 4th ed second for similar reasons

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although I sorta like the feywild and astral sea and then don't like the shadowfell and elemental chaos

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and mostly I like the feywild because they did some weirdly compelling fairy tales in that sourcebook

pale stump
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And IIRC the average 2e supplemental book would have 2-3 people working on it and took on average significantly less time to produce than later edition books, its amazing that they've managed to achieve heights that much bigger crews never managed to achieve again which much more time

shrewd coral
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3rd ed I find way too confusing to be practical, so that's last

pale stump
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Yeah I liked the feywild and the shadowfell

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But what they've done to the outer planes

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No thank you

shrewd coral
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I really liked the astral sea

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all these floating realms

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and due to ancient pacts even the evil gods were allowed to keep angels

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tiamat mostly ate hers

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that kind of weirdness is something I find compelling

pale stump
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As a planescape fan I couldn't help but hate the abolishment of the division of upper and lower planes

shrewd coral
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the last thing I want is a sanitised version of every plane that cuts out every feature of interest

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which means I end up putting 1e above 5e, given that's sorta 5e's main form of worldbuilding

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so basically I also put 2e first and invert the rest of your ratings

pale stump
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It also messed up a lot of things in the lore that relied on the positions of the planes (the most obvious example is the blood war) that required a lot of retconning to clean up

shrewd coral
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yeah, I prefer to think of 4e's worldbuilding as imagine it was always like this

pale stump
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And the outsider types turned into something so ridiculously game-ified for 4e's role based encounter system

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Like, shocktroop devils and legion devils? Battle angels and protector angels? Seriously?

gray heath
shrewd coral
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unheard of

mystic merlin
mystic merlin
iron saffron
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I just find 5E very lack in terms of lore. Instead of creating new characters, WotC dug up NPCs from the 2E/3E era that new players have no idea who they are (and those NPCs should have been dead... (I'm looking at you, Volo and Mirt!)).

cloud lintel
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It's funny considering 3e/3.5e was the most popular for a long time.

loud karma
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"Avariels have also been focusing more on divination spells of late, as they seek out their lost—and wellhidden—brethren."
does any one know what is the "lost—and wellhidden—brethren" referring to?

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other Avariels?

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ok, nevermind, I think it is referring to other avariels

hazy fox
iron saffron
mystic merlin
loud karma
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I just noticed wood elf in 5e directly go against with 3e
"Wood elves are strong but slight, and tend to be less
cerebral and intuitive than other elves."
"As a wood elf, you have keen senses and intuition"

white ravine
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Ahhh...the joys of 5e's endless contradiction

mystic merlin
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It’s called change, friends. Not contradiction.

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Same reason kenku aren’t samurai anymore.

gray heath
sterile breach
mystic merlin
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They’re literally tengu, just with some serial numbers filed off, if I remember right

ripe shale
hazy fox
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Ironically, they managed to make Drow lore more problematic than 2E.
Mostly to make Drizzt to stand out more. Like 2E The Drow of the Underdark (one with content warning) is "not all Drow are evil, have differnet cultures, and some are amiable--like Eilistraee--that surface dwellers befriended them...at least El Minister's 'assistant' being a female Drow."
Later publication were like "Oh, all of them are cartoonishly evil since birth and even Eilistraee punish males for watching their dances and slaughter friendly werewolves. And Lolth Drows perform erotic rituals and created half demons from group cuddles in military academy graduation. Drizzt and Salvatore's favorites are rare few ones."

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((Still you can give Wizards credits to actually labelling content warning on their DnD products instead of just TSR, especially ones that try to be nuanced and definitely not ignoring that they are kinda responsible for shenanigans sometimes.))

loud karma
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Wait, isn't there a huge paragraph about good drow?
"Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule. A fair
number of drow have come to value their position in the Underdark
and now think of themselves as true natives of their dark
realm. They have little desire to return to the surface and would
rather rule in the depths than struggle to regain a realm they no
longer hold any interest in ruling. Even more rare are those few
drow who have atoned for their evil ways and think of their fellows
as monsters that need to be stopped. These drow are either
surface dwellers who are struggling to become accepted into new
societies, or fugitives dwelling in out-of-the-way caverns deep
underground. With the new expansion into the surface, more
drow than ever before are being exposed to the truth on the surface,
and many are realizing that life on the surface is much
nicer than they were led to believe by the agents of Lolth and
her kin. It is possible, with proper acceptance and encouragement,
that the numbers of neutral or even good drow on the surface
of Faerûn could skyrocket in the coming years. The
priesthood of Eilistraee is in the forefront of this movement,
desperately trying to divert the drow war on the surface into a
mass conversion from the dark elves’ dreadful ways."

hazy fox
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Well, at least from Eilistraee fans who was made at Lady Penitent.
That and the leaked email during 4E about "Eilistraee is a meme".

hazy apex
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why are werebears the ones that resist their impulses but not werewolves? if a werewolf resists their evil temptations do they turn into a werebear?

gray heath
# sterile breach Kenku used to be samurai? Love that for them.

It's a variant pronunciation of tengu, though the 1e Fiend Folio, their insertion point into D&D, doesn't make special note of this. It still notes them as mute (or, at least, incapable of speech), but gives them a form of telepathy that allows them to communicate with their own kind.

gray heath
# hazy fox Ironically, they managed to make Drow lore more problematic than 2E. Mostly to ...

D3 takes this even further (earlier, and by Gygax) with Erelhei-Cinlu depicting the common folk of Drow simply trying to survive under the yoke of the ruling houses. Plenty of encounters with neutral and good folk in the lower quarters of the city, it becomes just another place ruled by tyrants and gives the subtext that only those sent out by the ruling houses are encountered by the outside world. And it's also not singularly devoted to Lolth. The original presentation of her as one of many demon-princes Drow may bow to is on display.

unkempt merlin
hazy apex
mystic merlin
mystic merlin
hazy apex
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eilistraee would be a redemption paladin

mystic merlin
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Possibly! Her avatar is fighter9/cleric11/bard16

hazy apex
mystic merlin
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I don’t know if I have access to the XP charts right now, lemme look.

hazy apex
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what's stopping a werewolf from being a giant golden retriever?

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enid

mystic merlin
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Mostly that it’s a literal curse of evil infecting the body and soul, when it’s transmitted. Other than that, you’d have to zoom in close; eberron, FR, Greyhawk, Nentir Vale, Mystara, all treat it different.

hazy apex
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is the werewolf form a stronger evil then?

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too strong to fight off while the werebear is... resistable?

mystic merlin
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Wild, why is Ellistraee’s spread so weird?

gray heath
hazy apex
mystic merlin
gray heath
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Are you calling bears "Daddy"? 😉

mystic merlin
hazy apex
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theoretically could a good person be turned evil by the werewolf curse and then someone casts ceremony on them to make them good again

mystic merlin
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Mommy usually

The goddess has the level of a bard that gives her millions of XP but her warrior and priest levels don’t match and it makes me upset

hazy apex
mystic merlin
gray heath
mystic merlin
hazy apex
long rivet
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lads, i got me a question

my pcs have just left neverwinter and are in helm's hold, where would a "crypt" be located? Neverwinter forest?

I should specify this is like 1372DR, so pre-Spellplague

gray heath
gray heath
mystic merlin
# gray heath Eilistraee is a god, those systems really don't apply.

I dunno, they tended to be pretty consistent when they were doing avatars.

Couldn’t tell you where second edition rules for gods were, but the avatars aren’t gods; this avatar is a stat block designed to be compatable versus the assumption that as a deity she would just paste you

unkempt merlin
gray heath
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There are no rules for gods. Or their avatars. They do what they need to do and nothing they don't need to do. Or need to have PCs do.

crude blaze
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There are some rules for gods’ avatars in 5E, and Meek is likely discussing old editions. Where from what I’ve heard, sometimes gods or their avatars had stats and rules.

mystic merlin
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2e specifically rn

crude blaze
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Also, re: lycanthropy, I genuinely don’t like how it’s portrayed in D&D, and the fact that some types have a set alignment associated is only one reason.

gray heath
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All the types have an associated alignment. It only applies when the character involuntarily changes or they embrace the curse. Because they're curses.

crude blaze
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Yeah, that’s still bad writing imo

hazy apex
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running a game in faerun made me realize how much i want to change about it tbh

crude blaze
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If you wanna make it an actual curse, bring it back to what it looks like in most werewolf stories. Something/s triggers their transformation and they just rampage animalistically. I don’t think animalistically is a word, but I’m gonna pretend it is here.

gray heath
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That's what the curse does.

hazy apex
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if werewolves are smart enough to have an alignment they're smart enough to not behave like an animal

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werewolves should either be unaligned or have enough sentience to have their own alignment

mystic merlin
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The thing about werebears is Bjorn from the hobbit, who was fighting off the goblins and wargs trying to invade his woods. That’s the root of werebears in old D&D. Weretiger I don’t know, I presume it’s similar to the Rakshasa and Jackalwere; half remembered folk tales from not-Europe added in for depth.

gray heath
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Because tigers are cool. That's the only necessary justification.

hazy apex
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I'm definitely doing werewolves differently in my games. Resistance to magical but not silvered weapons, can be any alignment, etc

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Kind of disappointed in the lore not allowing a good werewolf but oh well

gray heath
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If you want PC werewolves, that's a way to go. The default expectation is that it is not a desirable condition

mystic merlin
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The lore is going to be constraining by design.

crude blaze
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Yeah, I’m doing a lore rework for therianthropes in my own campaign setting

mystic merlin
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But D&D has a long history of things making you into an NPC even temporarily rather than allowing you to indulge and play the change. Which I think is stupid.

gray heath
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So does MR-H 😉

mystic merlin
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No idea what that acronym is

gray heath
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Mark Rein(dot)Hagen

lime holly
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Apparently, the creator of Vampire: The Masquerade

gray heath
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Yes, the system where you play the monsters in a magical reality setting.

fiery jolt
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if the curse didn't control your behavior, it wouldnt be a curse; it would just be superpowers

crude blaze
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Which is how so many people treat lycanthropy. Which is not my cup of tea.

hazy fox
crude blaze
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No pings please

hazy fox
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(Sorry)

zenith dust
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In bog standard d&d the super powerful immunity to non silver, teeth and claws and brutal potency lycanthropy is a curse

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If you're just into being a furry, there are shifters, and a bunch of animal headed mascot people like tabaxi and leonin you can use or reskin

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We have one at our table who uses leonin as a wolf guy

hazy apex
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In my game werewolves are immune to nonmagical attacks that arent silvered and resistant to magical attacks that aren't silvered

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And they get bonuses during a full moon

crude blaze
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That’s what I mean. If a player wanted to play a lycanthrope with control over their actions, I’d offer them to switch to a Shifter or take that one Dark Gift from Ravenloft that lets you cast Alter Self.

hazy apex
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I want enid werewolves is my thing

crude blaze
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But if you wanna play a lycanthropy curse, I’m gonna make it feel like a curse.

hazy apex
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||Turning to a werewolf to fight off the monster threatening someone you love and turning back when it's dead||

zenith dust
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(Roar is of course a howl for her wolf guy)

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Seems like easy mode

crude blaze
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I actually reflavored Leonin into a gnoll and made the Roar more of a Cackle

zenith dust
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Which is fine if that's the game you're playing

wooden plover
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(Sorry if that @s btw I turned it off but idk if you're on pc if it'll @ u or not)

zenith dust
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Tabaxi works just fine

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It didn't ping me 🙂

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Thank you!

wooden plover
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Mhm

zenith dust
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But yeah, a simple reskinning works well lizardfolk can be tiger or bear people (they are great swimmers)

wooden plover
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True that

hazy apex
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I would probably allow a high level player to be a therianthrope, once they get to about the same power level as one would be

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When magical attacks are more common, maybe sometime in tier 3

desert remnant
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whats the difference between a dhampir and a reborn? and a can a reborn be a dhampir/vice versa?

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do i just become double undead?

ripe shale
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Thematically, a reborn is more like a frankenstein or zombie.

desert remnant
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i was told is only vampire

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half

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i will be honest if i we're to play a reborn i would make so it could come from almost any undead via reflavor but im listening

ripe shale
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Well, the table of origins in Van Richten's suggest a variety of undead types. Things like being a body possessed by a ghost, or waking up in a laboratory, or being full of straw stuffing like a scarecrow.

sterile breach
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Death isn't always the end. The reborn exemplify this, being individuals who have died yet, somehow, still live. Some reborn exhibit the scars of fatal ends, their ashen flesh or bloodless veins making it clear that they've been touched by death. Other reborn are marvels of magic or science, being stitched together from disparate beings or bearing mysterious minds in manufactured bodies. Whatever their origins, reborn know a new life and seek experiences and answers all their own.

desert remnant
sterile breach
#

Mechanically or flavor-wise?

desert remnant
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lore

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flavor

ripe shale
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Dhampir are driven by vicious hungers

desert remnant
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so can i have a dhampir reborn?

fathom rapids
desert remnant
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yes i saw

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but above people said dhampirs are not just vampires

desert remnant
fathom rapids
desert remnant
ripe shale
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Because their features don't combine when creating a character.

desert remnant
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a reborn who comes from a dhampir

sterile breach
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Also, dhampirs are the result of a vampiric curse, either passed down through inheritance or getting the classic bite.

ripe shale
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But certainly conceptually you could have a reborn who is driven by a hunger.

desert remnant
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but uses only the statblock of one of them

fathom rapids
# desert remnant why?

Lineage is not the same as race. When making a character, you can pick a race, then apply lineage features to that. You can't do so twice

ripe shale
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Oh sure. They're thematically very similar.

desert remnant
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like for example sometimes i like to play tabaxi assimar and it uses the stats of one of the two not both instead of assimar human looking

desert remnant
spice meteor
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Yes, I suppose if a Dhampir died they might somehow get a second chance as a Reborn.

fathom rapids
ripe shale
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The line between what is a vampire and what is a zombie is pretty blurred in a lot of fiction, so it's not unreasonable to have a reborn who's origins are tied to vampires.

desert remnant
fathom rapids
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I read the whole thing. No one did

desert remnant
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honestly i would like a dhampir who is as mix of multiple undead types dk

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or dhampir reborn

ripe shale
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Dhampir aren't necessarily vampires.

Dhampirs often arise from encounters with vampires, but all manner of macabre bargains, necromantic influences, and encounters with mysterious immortals might have transformed your character.

desert remnant
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or else

spice meteor
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time to play an harengon dhampir reborn zombie ghost vampire frankenstain mummy + whatever undead thing there is necromancer subclass don't know wich

ripe shale
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You could certainly use the Dhampir statblock and go with more of a werewolf vibe.

spice meteor
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simply it would have powers related to undeads such as using dont' remember the name of the spell to pass trough walls for example

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and time to maybe have a resident evil type npc trying to hunt me down becouse my dna contains a cure for a plague that i didn't caused but he wants me dead

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thank you everyone

Like usual flavor is free

spice meteor
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Haha yes, that all sounds possible. Phantom Rogue can walk through walls.

fathom rapids
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not just phantom rogue i know theres a spell that lets you see behind wlals and you can use misty step to teleport behind walls or otherr methods

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becouse misty step lets you teleport where you see and seeing behind walls count as seeing behind walls

fathom rapids
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and then i just reflavor as passing walls anyway will leave before i get reported but thank you cya dissapears

desert remnant
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and etherealness eventually

spice meteor
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I know there's more than one way to skin a cat, it was just an example.

mystic merlin
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they said it preferibly from vampire but other unatural undead forces work

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In fact, all 3 gothic lineages provide ways for your character to have been transformed during a point in their life. It's why there are mechanics for it.

mystic merlin
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Yeah, they kept it vague so people didn’t feel limited to vampire origin. I think one of the origin options was designed to be aligned with cosmic horror. The things they hunger for differ too.

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In UA, they went full Marcelline and said you could consume a specific color from a person as a suggestion

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becouse then i don't have to be forced when making a character

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i love that my assimar can come from a tabaxi for example and not human

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The way I think about it is that the PHB, the DMG, the books we read would be like finding the Encylopedia Britannica. A very detailed resources, but it can't enumerate every possible combination of every idea, face, and location, ya know?

ripe shale
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That's a good analogy for it, I think

spark haven
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And some of them are canonically written by in-universe characters which means it's not unreasonable to assume they're unreliable narrators to some extent

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Biased or incomplete knowledge

mystic merlin
mighty raptor
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lore wise , are power words strongest/peak of the arcane magic ?

spark haven
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i never got that impression

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cause ya know, Wish exists

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yeah, but even wish is about only speech. No other components

spark haven
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Time Stop is also pretty powerful narratively, but not mechanically

spark haven
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Wish can alter the fabric of reality itself

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Wish can do more than kill your target. Wish can make it so your target was never born

mighty raptor
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I mean like the strongest (lore wise) spells seems to be verbal only

crude blaze
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Power Word Kill looks stronger than it is. It’s strong for NPCs, cuz DMs generally know when a PC is under 100, but it’s kinda a bit more guesswork the other way around.

mighty raptor
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well I am speaking in world/lore wise here not mechanics

spark haven
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i'm too lazy to do a proper analysis on that rn but yes, most high level spells probably require vocal components

crude blaze
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I don’t know that there exists any lore that explicitly states the power word spells are regarded as some of the strongest magic.

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It’s setting dependent, maybe even DM dependent.

spark haven
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I don't think there's any general hierarchy of which components are more important than others

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They're all pretty important

mighty raptor
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it seems like wish, power word kill and time stop are all verbal component only

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but yeah, I guess its setting depended

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I also assume forgotten realms setting says nothing special ?

peak wigeon
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Hello

marble bane
mystic merlin
quiet kelp
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Can you be both a vampire and werewolf?

iron saffron
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Ask Kate Beckinsale.

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werewolf curse only affects humanoids, which vampires are not

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so if you are homebrewing then sure. if you are going RAW, then no

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and a werewolf cannot be killed by a vampires bite (which is a requirement for transmitting vampirism

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(vampire bites are nonmagical/nonsilvered piercing)

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No, because wildshape says you assume the form of the creature you'er transforming into

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Wolves aren't made of metal

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You're specifically constrained to beasts, for one

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At least there's no mechanical or lore reason for it

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It'd look cool and flavor is free

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But being a warforged druid doesn't mean your wildshape form has higher AC

stuck breach
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Warforged are made of wood and metal

lime holly
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I've heard of it being done by players, afaik I've never heard of any warforged druids within the lore. Most druids in Eberron are orcish so examples are scarce.

spark haven
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wdym? they're sentient creatures with intelligence scores above 3-4

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usually, i'd assume

stable zenith
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Many firbolgs inhabit forests where wood elves also live. They would encounter each other, and the firbolgs would be able to learn the Elvish language to communicate better with their neighbors.

stuck breach
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Where did you think they lived?

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i like elvish rangers because they use a bow, they have short blades and they have nature magic they also live in the forest

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What is the lore reason for druids not being able to wildshape into other humanoid races?
That they aren’t as in-tune with nature?

iron saffron
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Because Humanoids aren't Beasts...

stuck breach
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The whole theme of it is "shape change into animals"

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They were created and added to the world in a specific phase

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That gives them a reason to be different

bitter mantle
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This tracks. Even owlbears are categorized as "Monstrosities" so you can't turn into them RAW.

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Though depending on your canon, owlbears are the results of "a wizard did it."
Sometimes they're just naturally occurring creatures.

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What type of giant is most likely to own a giant forge in a mountainside?
FR

dry wharf
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Fire Giant?

quick escarp
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that could make some sense

crude blaze
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Even more so if the mountain is a volcano

quick escarp
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I'm trying to determine what kind of giant my duergar was raised by, he was raised in a giant mountainside forge where he learned giant runes and blacksmithery

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May I ask for some insight as a newcomer? I am in search of information regarding the goddess Daia.
When I first heard of her she was illustrated on Stained glasses as a female goddess bringing all the pieces of the realm together.. but I seek to know what she is worshipped for and what it is that she has done for the realms?

dry wharf
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Never heard of her. Sure she is official?

boreal vine
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I’ve only heard of her during a campaign from the “Stinky Dragon Pod.”

dry wharf
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What is that? How official are they?

white ravine
# quiet kelp Can you be both a vampire and werewolf?

Technically...no. It's more esoteric than just "Book says so", it's a matter of their natures.

Vampires are beings born from evil in extreme civility. Vampires are kings, nobles, lords. They are people who became so twisted in their positions of power by abusing those weaker than them. They hold their position and claim themselves as supreme to the point that they become something inhuman, a monstrous reflection of their dignified nature. Polite, but insidious. Respectable, but feared. Refined, but hateful.

Werewolves are beings born from the innate call of the wild. Lycanthropy and its variations are almost always brought on through bites, scratches, and wounds. Someone who is far disconnected from nature and living in parts of society that only exist due to society (ie, a lawyer) would almost never come across lycanthropy as it's a condition brought on by the natural order attempting to take it's course. It's also why lycanthropy isn't always a bad thing, such as werebears. Nature isn't evil, nor is it good. It's simply manifested in the curse which brings someone back to their purest form of 'animal'.

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A vampiric werewolf would be a paradox of sorts. Someone so naturally civil and bestially refined. It's something that really...can't exist, at least for long.

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I'm sure if you buried a werewolf's bitten carcass or had a werewolf lay its jaws onto a vampire it would still take, but the being you'd make would be an abomination in the eyes of man and nature.

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Not only from the outside, but also from within.

boreal vine
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Not official

mystic merlin
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Wow

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That’s impressive

mystic merlin
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I am itching to fact check myself on “most”