@abstract gate Thx. 🖖
#🏆-event-chat
rancid juniper
abstract gate
Oh man these glitches in Aug and the nodes is soooo bad.
Horrible event... Bugs everywhere and not funny to play 💩
strong kayak
Whoever thought this would be a good idea to have the data node be 3700 in an event where your supposed to be getting 804K data should be whipped, flogged, shaved of all hair and then barred from EVER using a computer again
stray frigate
Completely stupid .. thanks Scopely for motivating me to Not Play.
strong kayak
I can't even get my ship back onto the node after it empty's it in 10 seconds because MY SHIP IS STILL ON THE FREAKING NODE!
stray frigate
What the hell they smoking at Scopely
strong kayak
Attention all scopely coders.... .... .... Put the stupid pills down, and WALK AWAY
You have officially overdosed
stray frigate
They're all in the City of Lights with Jahah
oak iris
this event is ridiculus ffs
oak iris
it is for idiots idk wtf are they are doing
stray frigate
It's beyond incompetence
strong kayak
Looks like they forgot to multiply by 100 somewhere
Simple math error that any other 4th grader could have made
rare escarp
Oh wait, no. I got one with 25 now, what a relief...
stray frigate
Anyway .. 3 day shield .. Fark it .. motivated to Not Play atm
strong kayak
At this very moment I am mining on 4 different nodes in Yarda with only 1 ship! mY GOAL TO TAKE OVER ALL NODES IN YARDA BY MYSELF IS MOVING FORWARD!
stray frigate
Playing leap frog .. but the original Leap Frog was more fun
merry fulcrum
You can be hit from any one of those nodes @strong kayak
strong kayak
I don't doubt it
🤦♂️
Not only that, but they’re starting us with NEGATIVE nodes.... The first 2 seconds of data “harvesting” is on node that starts at -110
abstract gate
Oh no, they are taking your data! 🤣
Wth is going on
@strong kayak DO it! For the glory of the Empire!
elfin pivot
In the event to what specific bounty hunters are the referring to?
earnest citrus
@elfin pivot The ones that come after you as 'tails' in Augment space
abstract gate
Please
ALL people not having solo mining event or solo mining LDB contact support so that they can pinpoint the issue faster
elfin pivot
Ah ok thank you @earnest citrus
abstract gate
Ugh, gonna say to some extent i get what has been done here and I'm not totally against it.
We have all the other rss nodes where we can set max cargo protected and walk away for hours. For an event area that mining is the focus i like the idea and change of pace.
I think this could be greatly improved if they were maybe 200-300% bigger node capacity across the board. I like the pace it generates, but when you cant even flick in and out of chat and talk to your alliance before hitting 0 that seems a little xtreme lol. Or like others have said enough time to hit a hostile or two so your not fixated on one very repetitive activity for an hour, burning your eyes.
rare escarp
I get it but you can't do anything. Forget eating, sleeping, taking care of your kids? Nope. Working? What's that?
abstract gate
Sort of get what you mean @rare escarp but the solo is over 3 days. If ya getting about 1 mil an hour on ya BB which seems a fair estimate and your base isnt miles away (if time savvy relocate) then your looking at 20 to 25 mins per day to complete. At the moment i get thats full on watching non stop lol.
But i do like the concept hence why if they were even 2 to 3 times bigger its a good pace but lets ya have 30 to 40 secs between refresh. 20 ish mins a day for a short term event isnt as bad as it sounds ya want to try and do it all in one run when ya short on time yeah its a nightmare
strong kayak
Not even close @abstract gate -
804000data / 3700datapertrip = 217.3 trips
271.3 trips x 16sec per trip (at 1 mil data per min and time to flip node) = 3477 seconds to mine all data for the solo event
3477sec / 60secpermin = 58min to complete JUST the mining portion of the event - doing NOTHING ELSE and not including any trips to and from your base to drop data off
And that's not including the regular and FREQUENT glitches that the game has like crashing every 20 minutes and not letting you back on a node that you just emptied so that you have to go and find another
abstract gate
🤣🤣 @strong kayak i wouldnt say thats not even close 58 mins so i said 115 mins @25 mins to do maybe inwas bold and only went back to base 3 times i risked the OC add an hour on to your estimate, thats plenty of trips back if your base is close. So 40 mins per day if ya want to be cautious risk reward and all that
15 mins out of my top guess... and thats being careful with ya OC, hey i didnt say its perfect but get what there trying to do a mining event which is different
strong kayak
You said 25 min per day to complete... Half of what it is
Less than actually because of travel and glitch times that weren't added to that 58 minutes
abstract gate
Dude im not accounting for glitch times 🤣 every aspect of the game needs accounting for that hostile hunting too
strong kayak
Not frustrated with you @abstract gate ... just voicing EVERYONE"s frustration with the garbage that scopely dumps on it's players ROUTINELY
velvet atlas
It is very entertaining, I am so satisfied with this icredibly creative idea of mining event which not only gives you nothing, it is also very time consuming, boring and it is fascinating glitchfest.
rare escarp
Thanks Starky. I get it. I just don't want to spend 58 minutes with my eyes glued to my phone. I've got enough headaches as it is lol
lapis harbor
How does this battle pass work
strong kayak
(I'm sure it doesn't)
velvet atlas
It is definitely better to take money for one of those worthless packs buy some AAA PC game and spent those 58 minutes there.
brave hamlet
WHY DID I FULLY UPGRADE MY BB????? wtf
sweet kiln
<@&509690795536941056> Please dear god up the data nodes 3 or 4x, having to reset every 10 seconds is giving me carpal tunnel
velvet atlas
OK I am done with this nonsense, I really have better things to do in my life..
drowsy viper
@abstract gate Majority of my alliance raged when they saw the event, because in paper is terrible... however! When you try do do it in Yarda is okish, and you get most of the points quite quickly. Even quicker than I would normally. There’s a strong “but” coming: for people with max rep and who were already mining in Yarda, that’s a huge setback. I think that’s the reason why you find the community divided. What you have in Yarda would be fine for lvl 27-30 systems, and Yarda would need a bigger one with same concept of quick refresh (10-30k, warp range restricted). There, maybe the community could like the change
abstract gate
You thought the borg stuff was bad......scopley have just upped their game for stupidity
Not stupidity buddy, punishment for slagging off mega borg armadas so much. 🤣🤣
You thought it was bad... oh we can do worse 😈
silent cedar
I need to mine 268k data to cap event, after mining over 390k I was only halfway...and now I can't mine any more because both systems are bugged with zero mines 😬
crisp lake
Am I missing where it shows how many points are needed to reach each milestone of the new Battle Pass event?! Would be nice to know how many pts is needed to reach each tier, besides your “next” one.
rare escarp
5k points to reach first milestone
meager galleon
rare escarp
Thanks. I was looking for that ss
shrewd totem
shrewd totem
drowsy viper
@shrewd totem are all milestones doable even if you miss 1-2 days the daily event giving BP points? If you unlock the Elite some days later, are all BP elite milestones automatically done according to your BP points?
shrewd totem
Not sure about question 1.
About 2nd yes
trail barn
So is giving 1 point for decoded data a glitch or intended that way?
earnest citrus
Intended. Your mine decoded much faster, on bigger nodes, so you end up with more points anyway.
eager hill
"bigger nodes" 😅😅
knotty night
Who thought flipping a miner in data every few seconds was a good design? Lots of glitching nodes already
rapid ledge
A retard
serene forum
well,refreshing the node for 45m is fun.
quaint hawk
Refreshing the node every 8 seconds sucks really. Why did we maximize that BB? Why had two of them? I try to keep back my harms falling down with my jaws but it falls down to. That’s not a mistake, you really thing it like that 😳
worn vortex
its makes it absolut rubbish,
inner stirrup
robust vapor
It's active mining, and it's easy. I mined 200k data just getting ready for work 🤷♂️
There are more nodes, now 2 full speed systems, and more direct warp paths. You can get your daily decoded mined in 5 minutes..
Also in the past how many people just didn't do the data mining events? Only free nodes were in the low systems, and the good ones were hotly fought after and so needed to be closely managed anyway.. this is the first data event that I'm going to even do, and I'm almost finished with very little effort.. I could have finished it in the time it took to write this 🙄
cedar plinth
who doesn't watch their data miner like a hawk.................it goes OP fast..........and everyone want's my stuff
it actually keeps me a little awake while I mine
robust vapor
Once it hits the protected limit, eyes can't come off of it! People here have hit me for scraps before, few hundred dats😂
robust vapor
Now? I dunno full cargo, it's just too hard to actually play the game i guess, I need a pot plant or a chia pet maybe 🤔
robust vapor
@shrewd totem you missed me then! I had full cargo last night and 200k just before, only 60k protected 😆
I'm waiting for the RoE amendment 🙄
You're too late for that one 😂
cedar plinth
I get some people's issues, but I never go Data mining if I'm not prepared to watch my butt in there and a 10 min timer was kind of boring to watch honestly
robust vapor
Did that last night while everyone was crying about how awful it is.
It's significantly better, they just need to up the amount of data I can convert to credits in a day. Need more credits..
north wraith
The revamp is good, nobody is saying otherwise. They took the wrong turn on the node amounts, thats most peoples complaint.
robust vapor
Nah, if it was more then it would be more of a chore.
north wraith
Nobody really mines data, and this pushes people even further away. It was already tedious to reset node every 15-20 minutes, now its really awful
robust vapor
30 seconds waiting for the node to 0 is less engaging, you'd end up looking for something else to do all the time. Longer times again make that more so. People even complain about 10 minutes to reset mines..
Keeping it a super fast speeds with mining rates to match means you don't need to actually spend much time; 3 minutes of being active and I'm done for the day.
I mean honestly, if people can't set aside 5 minutes to do mining.. go to the bathroom, make a coffee, watch a commercial break.. it's not much really. You spend more time doing almost anything else in game 🤷♂️
north wraith
I want something else to do while the ship mines, not babysit a miner to reset every 7 seconds
Hell even during hostile hunting i can multitask and thats a bloody grind
robust vapor
You end up baby sitting the thing anyway in most servers, and have to spend an couple of hours doing what can now be done in a fraction of the time..
north wraith
With exponentially more attention demanding
Im not seeing the good with the lower node settings, sorry
robust vapor
And I mined 200k data while getting ready for work 🤷♂️ I did something else at the same time and it was smashed out.
The good it's engagement. People keep saying that this isn't FarmVille, but you all really want a game where you push a button every few hours, do basically nothing, and then have max everything 🙄 it's a game, it should be engaging, it should require your time and attention..
north wraith
If you end up babysitting the thing anyway, why make it tedious attention consuming? Add a few more zeroes to those numbers 🤷♂️
Engagement? Sorry but most people seem to disagree with you
dawn flare
These baby data nodes are loathsome. Please re-evaluate. Increased mining speed is nice, small node no
robust vapor
Adjective: engaged
- busy; occupied.
north wraith
No game that has mining involved in it applied this method because there are several other things in the game to be “engaged” in
robust vapor
You've clearly never played many games with mining 😂
north wraith
I did to be honest
shrewd totem
The games I played that had mining in it would require me to do it manually
north wraith
99.9% of them require hours to kill the resource node
shrewd totem
Which would take a lot of time
dawn flare
I've played several games with a mining feature, not once have I had to reset or click every few seconds
shrewd totem
🤔
robust vapor
Ultima Online, world of warcraft, any other mmorpg Game with crafting and resource gathering.. this is much easier
shrewd totem
Just take the most simple one as an example-> minecraft
You have to click the buttons for a lot of time to get stuff
north wraith
Not the same...
robust vapor
Psh. You want the speed but also hours before depletion? You guys just want to do nothing is the problem..
robust vapor
Clearly, that's why you're upset that you need to do something for 5 minutes or less a day and citing games where it would take hours to deplete the mines? 👍
north wraith
The problem is not how much time it takes, its how much attention consumes.
robust vapor
I'm going to work, you guys keep complaining about how mining is significantly faster and easier, and how this is the first data mining event that's actually doable for a lot of people 🖖
north wraith
Faster? Yes. Easier? No.
robust vapor
Stuff all. Go make a coffee and you're done for the day. More attention hunting swarm..
north wraith
If it works for you, doesnt mean it will work for everyone. Clearly it doesnt work for most.
robust vapor
Because they hate the idea of doing something for 5 minutes..
Have to go, real world 🖖
winged tulip
Faster yes. Fun, no. Any change which pushes engagement to the detriment of enjoyment will not be well received.
north wraith
No, they the idea of clicling 900 times in 5 minutes
robust vapor
(that's an exaggeration, and it's no different to hostile hunting)
north wraith
Its very different from hostile hunting
shrewd totem
Apart from rewards not really
north wraith
Apart from rewards, yes really
“Engagement” mechanic might be similar, but its far from being similar to hostile hunting
stiff topaz
Why the hell would you increase mining speed but decrease the size of the node? Moving ships on and off every 10 seconds...
crimson lintel
Whoever came up with the idea for 6-10 second resets on data needs to be fired and replaced with a smarter pigeon. The absolute worst.
robust vapor
If I can mine 3500 G3 in 7 seconds, I'm not complaining 😆
shrewd totem
Or any other rss in the game
lone ember
So I did some data mining. Just bring the node size back to 37000 because that will only take 100 seconds
robust vapor
Ask panic to add in "broken" data collectors that work exactly like the old ones did. They can have 1 in Yarda, 2 in the other system. Let the whiners fight over them while we break mining records 😴
lone ember
So you are on the right track... but the implementation was bad...
calm thicket
How do you get "lighting the match" mission?
quaint elm
Any advise on the decision in quest of what to do with the romulan auguments?
I am guessing as soon as you hit collect on
A Lesson in Ethics it will force a choice.
calm thicket
hmmm I must be doing something wrong cause I don't see that one either.
quaint elm
Part 2
calm thicket
Thx much, I will try to figure it out.
static wigeon
Completed "The Worst Of Us" nothing came afterwards?
calm thicket
I completed it, but nothing afterwards, that is why I asked:)
tawny coyote
Anyone know how I find the second set of missing Complete lighting the match?
opaque whale
Where can I find bounty hunters?
rare crystal
Bounty hunters appear in augment space if you have any POSITIVE rep with augments. And this turns mining data into an even bigger drag than it used to be. If I'm doing other things like borg bashing, hostile hunting or missions, its nbd. But if you're job isn't killed by covid, you can't come start mining and come back in an hour. Engagement is one thing, this is something else...
opaque whale
Seems to be a lot more marauders there than bounty hunters. I just see maybe one bounty hunter in a system while the rest are marauders.
inland hamlet
You all moan about yarda, think of the lowbies 10 to 25 nodes in first 4 systems with targets up to 21k. t2 bb still 25 node in 10s.
But an envoy will take 12 mins on a 25 node, 8 with jaoquin..
So those not got their bb yet gonna take about 60hrs to get 3d solo done.
@opaque whale bounty hunter spawn and comes after you every 30s, much same as in faction systems, but doesn't activate bounty hunters till you are pawn with augments.
B4 pawn, no bounty hunters
vital drum
13 seconds. Why oh why did I upgrade my Botany Bay?
inland hamlet
If they change the solo to daily not possible 60hrs work in 24hrs
@vital drum because you wanted 12s. And tiring bb saved you some tedious mining
vital drum
I don't remember asking for 12 seconds lol. Luckily I built up a stash of data already. More nodes is good. I will have to figure out how long I need to stare at Yarda every day to get my faction store dailies
river kayak
Is moderately irritating having to watch and flip a bb every 10 secs however will say pulling out 150k decoded in less than 10 mins nice. Would actually prefer that on all mines instead of babysitting every other hour.
inland hemlock
I love this new way of mining. Wish they would extend it to the G3s.
prisma geode
I ran 2 BB’s one with optimum crew one with out. So 14 sec and 7 secs. I am officially over the 3500 nodes. It’s to much even on I pad to deal with.
Clicking that is.
Tried it on uncoded 12 secs 6 secs. It was worse.
dull pagoda
Used to be a joke saying “they’re staring at their miner”. Now it’s a mandate
prisma geode
And it’s not the same as farming reds, you sit idle/0 you are taking up a node. Farming hostiles they just fly by you.
I hope the game aspect is stopped here. I don’t want to see this ever again going forward
vital drum
Agreed. Even 5 minutes is okay, you still have to check in regularly but staring at a screen. Well, I dunno. I won't be mining much data I suspect, just enough to keep the faction dailies ticking along
summer hemlock
It took me 218 node resets to complete the solo event milestones! 218!?! Doesn’t that seem like...a bit much?
vital drum
Training for factory work
queen geyser
<@&509691205798592532> @twilit imp when can we expect the old ship xp ship events to come back
It was promised to be back a while ago
vital drum
I'm gonna start using Envoys again
prisma geode
218 x 3500 is 763k I needed 804k. Let’s say 218 resets @ 7 secs is 25 min. Let’s take Panics average of 10 secs. 36 min. Now let’s factor in 3 trips at 5 min, flight in between nodes or at least let’s say they are the same. Won’t even get into the nodes saying you are still on them. So let’s say 14 secs. for 3500. 51 min + 3 trips of 5 min = 66min of nothing but data mining and constant attention. No thanks.
@summer hemlock ☝️
summer hemlock
My nodes were 3700, but the only way is to risk going OPL. Our server isn’t overly militant, but its still a risk
prisma geode
Yeah I moved down one system you are right, either way it’s within minutes. Lol, I did the math for 3700 nodes it’s right.
robust vapor
@summer hemlock you know that you had 3 days to do it, right? And I need to kill 263 level 32 swarms in one day for the Swarm heroic event, so..
Outside of the specific event which is running over 3 days and doesn't need to be done all right now, and I'd wager a lot of people just skipped altogether due to the pain of getting end keeping a decent node that can now be finish it without really much fuss (or just skip it like the old ones anyway..), the amount you need to mine for the faction store can be done in a few minutes a day. You can literally do it while you make a cuppa 😶
north wraith
If you are killing 32s for the Heroic instead of 35s, you are doing it wrong
Wait... what is your x10 point swarm level for Heroic?
prisma geode
@robust vapor I just don’t like the new game mechanics, I have 2 maxed BB based off the old one. And if you read up, you will see my pain.
north wraith
@prisma geode dont even bother, he is blindfolded
prisma geode
The one thing I hate is the changing of price of ships or other paid for things making them cheaper and no compensation from Scopely. You know like they do in other games
north wraith
The issue is not mining rate buff, its the node cap reduced to dust. But some around here think its a cool feature, like hunting redcones, mechanic is “similar”, but its far from being like hunting redcones
prisma geode
Yep, I already made this point above.
north wraith
And many of us have been making it since the patch went live.
prisma geode
It’s worse now then before. I didn’t think that was possible.😂
north wraith
Hell, i went exploring the Mudd event explained by 4 Community Contributors and all 4 said the node cap reduction was stupid 🤷♂️
prisma geode
All they had to do was add nodes🤦♂️
robust vapor
@north wraith 35's are far less efficient to hunt, I can get 1 kill. Much better use of time and resources to hit 32's, maybe when I max it out.
north wraith
Im not planing to move from 29 until my Franklin is capable of killing at least 10 lvl 32 swarms (my heroic is lvl 30 for x10 points)
prisma geode
Pike, has more to do with it then your franklin
robust vapor
Conversely I'm getting 43 level 32's. Even if I got half of my 32's after a 35 I'd get too few points..
north wraith
Yeah i just unlocked Pike today
robust vapor
I have pike, trust me when I say that 35's are much tougher @prisma geode 😋
robust vapor
And you'll have an bigger Franklin than mine 🤷♂️
north wraith
Havent tried it yet on Swarms but mu Bortas doubled the amount of Transports killed with Pike, was using cadet variant until i unlocked Pike
robust vapor
What's that, 3 or 4 35's?
prisma geode
4 maybe 5
robust vapor
You have a monster Franklin then 😂
prisma geode
Franklin was one of those ships i didn’t want to spend on.
robust vapor
And for the record: I don't enjoy hitting a button every 7 seconds, but there is always give and take in these games and it's a price I am more than happy to pay for the large time saving.
north wraith
I neglected Frank until i wanted to have Khan and was running low on Trit tokens, went back to hunting swarms and upgrading It
robust vapor
Eh. I was running Bortas when swarm launched, so I only just caught my Franklin up in the Borg arcs 😬
wanton cloud
i was at i think level 30 before i started basing my decision to level up on my franklin, wish i had started earlier
prisma geode
Yes, it’s my back up source for dill
robust vapor
It was never something that I could do anyway, so wasn't a factor 😂
prisma geode
Like a little piggy bank
north wraith
There is no need for give/take with mining, when they improved Materials mining rates and introduced Galaxy research, most of the Material nodes saw an upgrade or remained untouched. Why downgrade data nodes so hard then?
wanton cloud
i like the data node changes, but 7 seconds to mine them out is taking it to the extreme
they could have achieved the "active mining" by doing everything they've done, except make the nodes 4-5x bigger than what they are right now
prisma geode
Data has been dead to many players for over a year. See where this event takes it. But the nodes dont help
robust vapor
It's actually several boosts. Speed, node quantity, travel time. And there is always a trade off in games 🤷♂️ they're games.
prisma geode
It’s the constant time that you have to be in game.
wanton cloud
having the nodes take 30 seconds in the max possible speed would be a lot more reasonable, at least you could do some multitasking, as it is, you can't do anything else while mining data
north wraith
Players go data gathering mostly during events, its a useless zone nobody actually plays in
prisma geode
☝️
robust vapor
Yes, but it's literally a few minutes of your day outside of the event 🤷♂️
wanton cloud
it's a few minutes i didn't have to do before lol
if i could multitask it, fine, but as it is, it's just added time
prisma geode
New systems are worthless too. No station hubs or resources. Pure mission systems.
north wraith
I didnt see a real “trade off” with Material and Resource improved rates... because they also improved the node amounts
wanton cloud
@robust vapor i actually LIKE every change they've made to data mining, i think it brings a lot, my only issue is the size of the nodes is just too small
north wraith
THANK YOU @teal jackal
teal jackal
Before I can set a BB and wait 10-11 minutes. Now it's basically hostile hunting.
Having to watch the stupid miner and click every 10 seconds
wanton cloud
don't compare it to hostile hunting 
it's nothing like hostile hunting
teal jackal
It's exactly the same as hostile hunting. Exactly. *clock on spot, *Wait 6/9 seconds, *click on spot
wanton cloud
hostile hunting has travel time that allows you to multitask
not even remotely similar
robust vapor
@wanton cloud see I don't understand that you don't have the few minutes.. it's significantly less time investment for me than before, and it's probably the quickest activity I have to do now.
north wraith
Precisely the point, reseting the node every sub 10 seconds because nodes are 1% from previous cap
teal jackal
Maybe even worse if you have to click to move off the node then click back
wanton cloud
@robust vapor you must not know how to multi-task then 
teal jackal
It's an hour. A full hour to click, move, click, move. You can't do much productive in those 9 seconds
north wraith
Or click a different node because yours broke do to the constant node refresh
teal jackal
Now, if you're watching TV or something fine. No biggie
teal jackal
But if you are trying to work or do anything else
prisma geode
@teal jackal I disagree while hostile hunting if you get a call or get distracted you don’t prevent other players in system from doing something or taking other actions. On a data node you go zero and they have to remove you.
robust vapor
I multitask all the time. I'm working, watching tv, shaving and brufhiny my teeth all while playing 😜
teal jackal
You hostile hunt wrong then.
wanton cloud
🤣
teal jackal
Some can be that long sure, but usually mine is 5-15 seconds between hostiles
prisma geode
218 x 3500 is 763k I needed 804k. Let’s say 218 resets @ 7 secs is 25 min. Let’s take Panics average of 10 secs. 36 min. Now let’s factor in 3 trips at 5 min, flight in between nodes or at least let’s say they are the same. Won’t even get into the nodes saying you are still on them. So let’s say 14 secs. for 3500. 51 min + 3 trips of 5 min = 66min of nothing but data mining and constant attention. No thanks.
teal jackal
So really this is WORSE than hostile hunting.
north wraith
Well that i could agree on Star
wanton cloud
it's 100x worse than hostile hunting...
teal jackal
Yes, exactly.
wanton cloud
without going zero
prisma geode
☝️
robust vapor
With 7 seconds I could do hostiles as well 🤷♂️
wanton cloud
meaning it's added additional time required that wasn't before
north wraith
Worse than hostile hunting, in a useless faction system with a useless resource other than faction store
wanton cloud
previously i could data mine and kill my hostiles at the same time
prisma geode
I tried it with maxed BB’s one with optimum crew one with out. 7secs 14 secs. It was to much clicking made me dizzy
wanton cloud
and still be checking my BB every 30 seconds or so to make sure i don't get hit
teal jackal
They could at least have increased the amount of independent credits you could buy per day
north wraith
Well they added Indy credits for Borg Nanos, so there is that
prisma geode
Don’t start on the independent credits
teal jackal
But nooooo...mining speed faster (and more annoying), but you still mine the same
north wraith
They technically “increased” the daily amount
teal jackal
They did? I didn't even notice
north wraith
Go check Event Store, you need Charged Nanos
north wraith
Diminishing returns with every Vidar tier up guaranteed
wanton cloud
i think it's 80 for 8000 at t9? i saw it earlier but don't remember for sure
at t8 it's 70 for 5500
teal jackal
Mine is Tier 8. Need 250k charged NP to max her. I was halfway there but Blackflame just ruined it.
teal jackal
🤣
wanton cloud
i'd say max it out first @teal jackal
north wraith
I'm off to bed, shield or share
wanton cloud
since the output increases when you tier it up
north wraith
And seriously, Scopely, fix the darn node capacity, this is ridiculous beyond comprehension
robust vapor
@teal jackal ask panic to add in broken data decoders then. You guys can have a few in each system same as the old style, then you can all mine and fight over those while the rest of us blast it out on these ones 😋
wanton cloud
i actually think having 2 types of nodes wouldn't be a bad idea
one that worked like the old style, larger but slow
and ones that we have now, except with slightly larger capacity
robust vapor
Nah, leave these ones and just add some older ones in for you guys..
wanton cloud
i'm sure some would have something to complain about still though
north wraith
Why not simply increase the amounts of the existing nodes so instead of 7 second resets we can have 20 or 30 second resets
wanton cloud
@north wraith that's exactly what i think, 30 seconds i think is a good target
still very active, but can actual multi-task
and it takes nothing away from the increased pvp aspect
it just makes it less obnoxious, and that's it lol
robust vapor
30 seconds is too long for my tastes, will almost certainly mean I just stare at my phone for 30 seconds once it hits OC 😴
north wraith
Well, "increased" is relative. No PvP actually increased with this upgrades
wanton cloud
sure it is
people go OC really quickly
on some servers that's meant way more pvp hits
prisma geode
30 secs 15k nodes. You would hear zero complaints
robust vapor
And that's why I like 7 seconds better than 30, I'm watching once it's OC anyway 🤷♂️
north wraith
O2C would complain
robust vapor
Only for you 😜
north wraith
That's almlstna guarantee 🤣
robust vapor
I went max cargo last night 😂
prisma geode
My server hit at the beginning of the day then said f it at the end and let everyone go over wasn’t worth it anymore
😂
wanton cloud
i still had to watch it like a hawk before in order to be oc that long
north wraith
IDK about Spock's experience but I only saw a handful more people than usual actually jumping from node to node in data space
wanton cloud
but i could kill a few hostiles, read AC, answer some pms, in between checking the system every 30 seconds
prisma geode
Basically try to get a hub to yourself, but then again my server population might be lower then yours.
north wraith
Aren't you in Server 13?
prisma geode
Yes
wanton cloud
jumping node to node is actually really ineffecient
prisma geode
☝️
wanton cloud
you spend as much time moving as you do mining
prisma geode
Less clicks
north wraith
Yeah, till the node breaks
wanton cloud
though it is safer going node to node, since you don't have to zoom in
north wraith
And 4 nodes show "Occupied by ship "x" " 🤣
robust vapor
And I wouldn't actually complain if they increased node size @north wraith it makes it less convenient for me, but it's like a 1 on my list of things I care about. I don't get the complaints is why I'm defending it, it is better and the resetting isn't really much work 🤷♂️ if they made it a random thing then I'd complain, because alerts are garbage 😂 but generally I look on the positive aspects of the changes, like the fact that they're trying new mechanics at all.
prisma geode
Keep saying Scopely needs a test server, but apparently we are it.
wanton cloud
@robust vapor better is a matter of opinion
prisma geode
I demand loyalty gift.
wanton cloud
i have better things to do than swap a miner out every 7 seconds
hollow badge
I’d be happy if I actually had the bloody data events in my log 😒
robust vapor
@wanton cloud the only complaint is the node size, yes? The warp times, increased speed, and additional nodes are all benefits to I'd think everyone..
north wraith
I do like the vast majority of the changes and fixes in this patch, but I can assure you nobody asked for smaller data nodes and increased mining rates combo
robust vapor
And I have better things to do than play this game, and I could have done the entire event in less time than you guys spend complaining about the mining 😂
north wraith
Data events are overrated anyway 🤣
wanton cloud
@robust vapor as i already said, i like all the changes, they are all great, just bump the node size slightly so it takes 30 seconds and it's all good
robust vapor
They are.. hate data events..
prisma geode
@north wraith agree, but the added glitches still show they 100% absolutely do not test their product before release.
wanton cloud
i've only seen 1 new glitch
robust vapor
You said better was a matter of opinion @wanton cloud 🤷♂️ I was saying the changes generally are better
prisma geode
We are paying alpha testers.🤦♂️
north wraith
That's a known fact that will not change as far as im aware 🤣
wanton cloud
the ship showing it's warping constantly when you switch systems
robust vapor
Yeah, I've had that one a few times 😂
wanton cloud
it's particularly annoying because it also doesn't show ship movement
north wraith
Funny actually, for an "escape" gif
wanton cloud
but at least reloading the system fixes it
the ghost mining ship is something they really should have gotten ironed out before making the data node changes
north wraith
I automatically locate ships, seems to fix most issues
wanton cloud
as it can happen any time you leave a node, and now we have to leave nodes 220+ times 😂
north wraith
Ikr
robust vapor
Hmm, I only had it happen once, when I went to the same node as someone else and changed course last second 🤔
wanton cloud
it depends on how much lag there is
north wraith
Also increasing the chances of server bottlenecks, lag and node glitches
wanton cloud
as with many of the bugs in this game, lag makes them show up so much more often
robust vapor
Eh. Outside of the event it'll barely matters
north wraith
Servers are not ready for this amount of constant node reset
prisma geode
I think the banner flashing zero node is causing most of it
wanton cloud
i had it happen at least 20 times today @robust vapor
north wraith
That's the main issue, O2C, it happens during the events
wanton cloud
good thing is it's easy to workaround, simply warp out and all your ghost nodes reset
north wraith
Over 10 times for me, had to move to another system eventually
robust vapor
@wanton cloud I must be lucky 😂
north wraith
Or your server mostly empty
prisma geode
The banner is probably 98% of Scopely’s problem or it causes the problem😂
robust vapor
Nah, enough people here
wanton cloud
@robust vapor yes, part of it is luck, but part of it is also server lag
and the increased load from all the node resets only makes the lag worse lol
prisma geode
Damn banner is always flashing in events
north wraith
I still have this notification bug from last year. It was allegedly fixed
robust vapor
@wanton cloud given that I didn't get my hostile hunt event points until this morning, I think we had lag too 😬
wanton cloud
well, that's different all together
abstract gate
wanton cloud
the points counting always seems laggy when new events start
north wraith
had no issue with hostile points counting on time 🤔
robust vapor
Not like that for me 😬
But there was plenty of buggy nodes this morning, and still hit my 200k without a single bug from me 🤷♂️
wanton cloud
me either, but it's a fairly common occurance
north wraith
True
wanton cloud
200k was your top milestone @robust vapor ?
robust vapor
Nah, just what I mined while brushing my teeth and shaving, multi tasking 😋
north wraith
Now I'm really out, later
wanton cloud
and @robust vapor i actually did quite a bit of my 800k without issue
but at one point i had 3 ghost nodes in 1 minute
abstract gate
outlaws mission isn’t showing up, although I clicked on it this morning and 1sr mission in gifts is outlaws part 2. Any help?
robust vapor
@abstract gate you'll need mission keys from the battle pass event
Or you mean you didn't get part 1? 🤔
wanton cloud
the first mission is free
abstract gate
Correct, did not receive first outlaws.
wanton cloud
are you sure?
abstract gate
Nothing in system where it begins either.
wanton cloud
look through your list, it's likely the only mission with a "recommended level"
robust vapor
Seems odd.. might need to contact customer support if it wasn't there though, no one here can fix it if it's missing 😬
wanton cloud
the recommended level is shown as a number in a little box in the top right of the mission title
abstract gate
Only recommend level missions I have are Breakout, The Valient Few, and One Last Effort. I am lvl 20.
One should read “Outlaws”, yes?
wanton cloud
one sec, i don't remember the name of it
abstract gate
I haven’t completed all he other outlaw missions, 3 ongoing. Could that affect it?
robust vapor
Breakout might be it actually..
wanton cloud
looks like it's not in lcars yet
yeah, it could be breakout
it's not the valient few for sure
abstract gate
Thanks for help, I’ll check and update. 👍
robust vapor
Screenshots of the missions maybe? 🤔
robust vapor
I remember I had to get someone off of a ship, that sounds like a breakout 😅
abstract gate
I think it IS Breakout. Taking me to Seevor 28.
Got so many missions open and I’m looking for outlaws, lmao. Thanks guys.
teal jackal
Breakout is one of the new missions.
abstract gate
Got,it. Freed Mudd. Ty. 👍
dire garnet
Is there a schedule for station rank event? How often and when are they?
Thanks in advance
chilly venture
Guys, I see mentions of a solo mining event, but I only have an ALB one in my events? Only solo one was a hostile hunt, which I did. Do I miss an event ?
velvet salmon
there is a "Monthly" Data Extraction event which is the solo one. it's a 3 day event though, not a daily
it's just called "Data Extraction!"
modest mica
Is thrre an expiration date on the alliance event trophy we got as part of the crucible?
void sinew
I level up to 20 after the maintenance last night. All the event rewards are filled with 2* stuff and no 3* in sight. Anyone else got this issue? I m not even thinking about the battle pass when all it will get me are 2* stuff
abstract gate
No idea mate, I was lvl 20 a year ago
gusty glen
I level up to 20 after the maintenance last night. All the event rewards are filled with 2* stuff and no 3* in sight. Anyone else got this issue? I m not even thinking about the battle pass when all it will get me are 2* stuff
@void sinew this happened to me with the borg monthly milestones, they remained 2* throughout the arc for me as I only turned ops 20 after it had started.
It's because you were below 20 when this event started. Outlaws arc 2 if there is such a thing will have 3* rewards for you.
dense maple
Any info on where Light the Match mission can be found?
quasi quest
Can anyone explain why most players have a solo data mining event yet I don't?
robust vapor
@quasi quest Scopely announced that they are looking into it.
void sinew
@gusty glen thanks mate. Guess I don't even need to be tempted by the battle pass then
gusty glen
Yeah, I would leave it if you don't need 2*.
void sinew
I got thousands of them😂
restive inlet
No data mining event for everyone?
nova valley
it was a 3 day event @restive inlet that's why not everyone needed to rush yesterday lol it was a 72 hour solo milestone.
restive inlet
Oh I See at this Moment 🤦🏼♀️
nova valley
hostile hunt is showing my events tab.
nova valley
reset 8 min ago
robust saddle
swift lotus
Data extract is 72h
low berry
Milestone for three days ?? Cool 😂😂😂
nova valley
lol @low berry not a terrible thing considering alllllll the moaning and groaning yeseterday about the time (attention) it takes to complete it.
low berry
True but .... zeta tokens you cannot earn them 😉
nova valley
i intentionally waited cause of the lag i was hearing about lol i did some this morning, but haven't finished it yet either.
low berry
Ohhh well
north token
ebon galleon
Im kinda sad that data mining solo gives augment rep. Thats the one thing I dont need anymore. Was hoping with the revamp that the rewards would also be more interesting when rep is maxed
quasi quest
Second day and still no solo data mining so no zeta tokens 😕
ivory silo
Same here
inland hamlet
@quasi quest 3d event says so doesn't say daily on header get over it
shrewd totem
He is one of those who doesn't have it at all like me
cold vessel
How come no solo data mining today
torpid light
Corrupted mining is brutal at 500 a refresh. Mining rates quicker but takes ages compared to decoded and feels much harder work. Didn’t even go over protected in the end so this active mining meant I couldn’t do something else in the game.
rapid summit
I don't know who the mental midget was that came up with the brilliant idea of making data nodes next to empty but they need to be transported into a holding pen of assimilated tribbles that spend their whole existence skreeeeing.
quasi quest
@inland hamlet well aren't you a ray of sunshine. I'm well aware it was a 3 day event and not daily only because I've seen screenshots of the event not having seen it at all in my events page.
nova valley
patience folks. i'm sure scopely is working on it, and as they ALWAYS have, compenstation chests will come out for those affected. don't fret 🙂
quasi quest
@nova valley I'm not stressed, just a little narked as it came about in the same day my shield failed and I got raided whilst the timer still showed I was shielded with no notification.
nova valley
i get that. that's frustrating for sure.
quasi quest
The solo data was supposed to be a 3 day event, not a daily
nova valley
it was never 24 hours lol
72 from the start. FOR the souls who actually got it hahaha
novel hollow
Scopely rewards are like a minimum wage job you put in all the effort so the company can make a buck and you get enough to get by.
merry fulcrum
Just a FYI, it will take you 80 days to get a hijacked ship if you haven't gotten any bps yet
north wraith
Im not really interested in Highjacked ships, cool looking but useless for me right now
merry fulcrum
Same
north wraith
If i get them through the Z recruit special or not i really dont care 😅
winged tulip
I'd only build one to scrap for g4
and since i can't..
also now saving up epic chests just in case they remove them from the drop table
quaint flower
Any info about those without solo event yet?
rain pasture
So for those of us that don’t have the solo mining, are we going to lose out on zeta points and the rest that come’s with that event or are we somehow going to be compensated?
Or if there is a fix are we going to be given time to complete the mission ?
timber prairie
Don’t worry about the solo event. The biggest data node is 3700. To get top prize is 400k.
rain pasture
Lol for your lvl manrlig would take less than an hour....... but it’s the point that with the prizes for my lvl I can recruit and gain points for the alliance event too
limber remnant
Did the data extraction event not reset this morning with everything else
Also scopely messed up the data nodes majorly. Mining 600k at 15 seconds per reset is ridiculous
rain pasture
That’s all explained in the other room above 3 day event for mining and it’s rate is so high to get more people doing it for less time
uneven dove
On our server biggerst part is 30+ hijacked ships are not of any interest
It could be interesting if (factions could not be locked) and this was the possibility to get ships from the hostile factions (but also the higher level ships)
keen cedar
Why there was no refinery event in may? Refining 3 star material is too slow and takea forever to get some uncommons, can scopely improve the way refinery works? Or at least let us refine faster, whats with the 3 chests refining ? It does not give better refinement that 2 chests, then whats the point of wasting material 🙄
shrewd totem
🤷♂️
slim crow
@abstract gate You guys want play data on the data mining, ok, here’s data for you;
My alliance usually ranks in the 40’s for alliance events but in this event we are in the mid teens. We have maybe 6 high level members who can survive in the systems where the strongest hostiles spawn and they mine as much as they can to carry the rest of the alliance. At last check only 1/4 of our members are even bothering with data mining because it sucks so bad.
I’m glad I stocked up on data before this change or I’d be in the same situation as other alliance member s who are low or out of data and now can’t claim much in the faction store each day because the prices there are still high.
Fix the node sizes and never do this again.
nimble pelican
Did anyone have issues with the data extraction event? My Botany Bay tier up for 50k points did not count toward the event.
slim crow
@abstract gate your math on the node event is based on being higher level. Those of us in the lower or mid levels are lucky to be getting 100k after hours of 10/25/100 node hopping. And once the free nodes are all occupied bugged you’re screwed till the bug fixes itself.
@nimble pelican I cant tier up mine since none of the even rewards include uncommon plutonium (at my level?) and that’s what I need to upgrade so I can tier up.
robust vapor
You know that you can get to Yarda with warp.. I think it was 13 or 14 after the shortcut. And you can deal with the bounty hunters very easily.. mine in one of the last 3 systems, preferably last 2 if you can, for the better speeds.
wanton cloud
@slim crow uncommon plutonium is not included at any level
@robust vapor you need to complete the main missions before you can reach yarda
and therefor unlock the shortcuts
wanton cloud
not included in event rewards xD
robust vapor
How lowbie are they to be worrying about buying stuff in the faction store @wanton cloud ?
nova valley
@slim crow sorry. i'm calling...... #FAKENEWS on hours of node hopping... lol unless you're using your kumari to mine data..... don't do that.
fyi, uncommon plutonium is free. and purchased with augment credits. which you also get for free. by mining green data. it's a cycle. self sustaining.
ps. also increase your augment faction rep; you'll INCREASE the amounts of wha tyou can get, THUS making it chepaer, easier, and faster to upgrade the bb. ie. self sustaining loop. also. pps. free.
robust vapor
Or if they're mining corrupted data in the lowest systems maybe 😂
wanton cloud
they did say 10/25/100 nodes so yeah
robust vapor
And I had a person the other day who didn't know that speeds increased as you went further 🤷♂️
shrewd totem
Soo many new people. It is okay if people doesnt know some stuff
wanton cloud
some of you might forget but there are also path locks in augment space
shrewd totem
It will happen more as game progresses
wanton cloud
you need to complete the missions to unlock them
robust vapor
He hasn't said where he's up to 🤷♂️
But I've had two people mining in poor systems because they didn't understand the mechanics involved or screwed up the math.
nova valley
the missions are super duper easy. go to the mission planets.
here here and here. it costs 3k dilly each time. total 9k dilly. and it unlocks them all.
wanton cloud
@nova valley they aren't super easy if they haven't unlocked the original paths to get there 😛
shrewd totem
Even original Augment missions are easy
nova valley
dont forget if they are mining red data, they're getting THREE points instead of one to HELP compensate for their lower speeds.
wanton cloud
theres a huge mission chain that requires killing pretty difficult hostiles if your low level
nova valley
that's true @wanton cloud cadet scotty on your best warp warship and get down there and unlock those lol
shrewd totem
Lvl18+ should be able to kill original mission hostiles except that 1 bugged one
wanton cloud
doesn't matter if you have a warp 100 ship, you can't get to yarda if you haven't unlocked it by doing the missions 😛
nova valley
i dno't remember. it was a looooong time ago lol
robust vapor
Or are like the guy yesterday who had no idea that mining speeds increased at higher systems and was in a lower system just because 😴
And those 3 points per tripped up one of my Alliance mates who was complaining about the speed of points despite having the same mining speed as me, because math is hard 😜
wanton cloud
there was like 5 or more paths to unlock
robust vapor
I'm not saying there isn't, I'm saying that the information hasn't been provided by the op and I'm not going to rule out that they're mining in a poor system choice just because 🤷♂️
wanton cloud
well, it can be inferred, since they mentioned 10/25/100 nodes
slim crow
@robust vapor what level are you? What system are you mining in?
Sounds to me like you’re higher level and for them it is a bit easier in the higher level systems.
As is typical of events lately those who aren’t already 25+ are screwed in events.
robust vapor
Yeah, just like the guy yesterday who had zero idea that better speeds were available..
wanton cloud
actually, i chated with someone 21 yesterday and the events really aren't that different in requirement
it requires several hundred resets no matter what your level
nova valley
yes, it's gonna require a bunch of resets. but again. that is"time invested" not a whale activity. not somethign that benefits larger players over small....
robust vapor
@slim crow I'm 36, but again information hasn't been provided. And my recommendation to mine in higher systems is clearly only if they can, which you can do in your 20's. But getting there in your BB previously required a higher level BB, but you can unlock your shortcuts without a BB and then use a lower level BB to mine there..
nova valley
the game is not intended to participation trophy everything to every player. put in the effort or dont. put in the effort, win the event, max it out get max rewards. if you can't do it all, then don't, and take the partial rewards. it's not complicated. do the work required for maximum payout, or don't. lol very simple concept.
i don get to show up at work and work 4 hours and expect a full days pay. juss sayin
wanton cloud
unless your ships are really far behind, you should have ships powerful enough to complete the missions to unlock the paths that will get you to a system that will allow you to complete the events in a "reasonable" amount of resets
nova valley
you can 100% absolutely do this event. without spending a single penny.
"it's for the whales" no it's not
"it's harder for smaller players" no it's not
"i have to click 200 times in 30 minutes" so? hostiles are no diff.
"it's unfair" ........ delete the game.
G'NIGHT EVERYBODY! lol
shrewd totem
😂
wanton cloud
@nova valley please stop using that hostiles argument 
hostiles don't require full attention
it's not even similar honestly
but the rest of the points, yes
nova valley
hehehehe i know we disagree on this point @wanton cloud i love you buddy. lol
wanton cloud
i never give my full attension to hostile hunting, not even swarms or borg lol
right now i'm going zero just typing these messages 😄
nova valley
IN MY OPINION (not factual) i really don't see very muchj iff at all.... for example. if i am killing hostiles, and i need to take a break, i stop... right? or park on a system planet to protect myslf for a few minutes. or i just hang out and float in space while i send my pm's or hop in discord or take th phone call.
wanton cloud
give me 30 seconds at same speeds and i'm happy, i like everything else they changed
nova valley
welllll unless i'm over pcl, i can quite literally do the same thing with data.
NOW, to your credit. i DO AGREE 6 seconds is rough. rev and i today put together our feedback report and it's been sent. we both agreed that 30-45 seconds was better. and rev even said 60. we sent it to live ops. i dont' disagree. 6 seconds is definitely overkill. BUT THE IDEA IS SOUND. so..... let's tweak the details a shade. but i DO love the mechanic. and you can't change my mind. neener neener 😉
wanton cloud
unless your in a busy system that your spawn camping the hostiles, your not going to be attacking hostiles that quickly
nova valley
sure. but while i'm impulsing to the one hostile. i'm searching for my next one. the one with the most freq mods, or the most nanoprobes. or just the closest one in general to reduce impulse time. i AM still in system. active. lol i'm shocked more people aren't.
shrewd totem
@robust vapor doesnt matter for me that much. Got around 100-200k from a single person usually
wanton cloud
@nova valley to your point you were making that data mining has always been active mining, i fully agree with that, and there would be no change there, i would always be switching ships or checking chat, or working, but check on my data miner every 30 seconds or so
nova valley
HOW was that player not watching? lol blows my mind? you gotta reset every 6 seconds. you had to know you're over cargo. if you're that active, you can easily hit the recall button when someone targets you lol
wanton cloud
just 2 nights ago i got to 382k/390k before someone showed up and i had to warp out lol
nova valley
well and that's exactly what we sent up today. let's look at a 30 second reset. i thin that satisfies everyone and keeps eyes in the game.
winged tulip
Still not fun.
nova valley
nothingabout grinding is fun typically. but the rewards is what we're after. the fun after the work right? lol
shrewd totem
I park on next node to enemy,wait for them to think I am harmless, then boom I have their oc
nova valley
i hate grinding rep. i hate grinding the 300 hostiles i have to hit daily. i actually hate a lot of things i have to do in this game.
why am i still here?
winged tulip
I find hostile grinding less tedious because at least you can get something useful from the chests they drop. Grinding resources in the same way is worse.
nova valley
well, fortunately, outside of events, you really only need to spend 2-3 minutes a day on this portion of your daily @winged tulip so it's not a terrible timesuck for your daily regiment.
winged tulip
But yeah tbh i'm already burning out of the game from the amount of different things you need to grind, so maybe i'm not the target for this new way to get data.
nova valley
events? well.... that's gonna blow. LMAO
wanton cloud
i do think they made the red data nodes too small though
nova valley
BUT let's face one real truth. THIS DOES make it much easier, much more possible at MUCH lower levels, to fast track your augment rep and get the ships and the plutonium, and the augment credits and officers, than it did before. i mean. really. 3 minutes per day? i can suck it up for 3 minutes per day. i used to spend 2 hours per week. so i'm down with it.
wanton cloud
ignoring the event part where they give 3x the points, it does take a fair bit of time to get any amount of red data now
winged tulip
I didn't mind grinding hundreds of hostiles a day when i could get the miner & 32 faction ships from them - once i had those completed, there's a lot of events where i won't even think about trying the leaderboard just because i find it mind numbing
nova valley
agreed.
anyways. time to bounce for the evening. don't have too much fun without me. see ya'll tomorrow!!!
abstract gate
Look at that saggy tricep though...
nova valley
i would imagine this was not from his heyday lol
tepid isle
Still a legend
nova valley
heck yeah
slim crow
@nova valley clearly you are higher level based on your response.
I’m increasing faction rep as fast as I can given the limits placed on it.
Go roll a lvl 20 ~ thu 23 account then come back and call “FAKE NEWS”.
Tired of higher levels not thinking about how other level players are impacted by changes.
Or if they're mining corrupted data in the lowest systems maybe 😂
@robust vapor
I’m glad you find it funny that other have to suffer while you don’t.
dont forget if they are mining red data, they're getting THREE points instead of one to HELP compensate for their lower speeds.
@nova valley
It doesn’t help.
@slim crow I'm 36, but again information hasn't been provided. And my recommendation to mine in higher systems is clearly only if they can, which you can do in your 20's. But getting there in your BB previously required a higher level BB, but you can unlock your shortcuts without a BB and then use a lower level BB to mine there..
@robust vapor
That explains why you think it’s so easy to do this event.
the game is not intended to participation trophy everything to every player. put in the effort or dont. put in the effort, win the event, max it out get max rewards. if you can't do it all, then don't, and take the partial rewards. it's not complicated. do the work required for maximum payout, or don't. lol very simple concept.
@nova valley
There’s that attitude I mentioned.
You ASSume we don’t want to work or want a participation trophy. Way to look down on others.
😂
@shrewd totem
Great, when mods think that high level arrogance is funny.....
shrewd totem
I can laugh at whatever I want as long as it is within rules(since when laughing is against rules?)
I am a player and human like you and there is nothing says I shouldn't laugh to stuff I find funny 🤔
robust vapor
@slim crow what I'm saying is that there are at least 3 situations that I know of where people are mining at less than optimal rates, and I have provided details for these 3 situations. The OP made no indication of their ability to reach and mine in various systems, so my information is still more helpful than everyone saying "low levels mine slow". And considering that I've seen level 18 players mining in warp 40 space I'm pretty confident that you don't need to be 30+ to take advantage of the changes and mine in much better data systems..
shrewd totem
I dont think he appreciates your guys help
robust vapor
No one does 😴
Now if a player can't reach these systems no matter what, that's unfortunate. But until that information is established then I can't rule out that they're not overlooking what we take for granted.
slim crow
I dont think he appreciates your guys help
@shrewd totem
Since when is arrogance help?
Since when is ignoring what people are saying and just going by how it is for them (at much higher levels) help?
He would rather complain than play the game.
@sour jacinth
No, I’d rather be playing a fun game not button mashing my phone screen.
robust vapor
Ignoring what people are saying, the irony 🙄
There are no less than 3 conditions where you can easily mine data faster at lower levels, but I'm being elitist by pointing it out instead of just shrugging and assuming that everyone knows what I know.
shrewd totem
Where is the arrogance? There are giving you info based on their experience and what they know. If I was a low lvl at your lvl all of those information would be greatly helpful
slim crow
If I want to button mash there are much better games for that.
shrewd totem
Is there anything in this game that isnt button mash?
slim crow
Where is the arrogance? There are giving you info based on their experience and what they know. If I was a low lvl at your lvl all of those information would be greatly helpful
@shrewd totem
You still don’t get it. I’m talking to brick walls.
sour jacinth
This game has always been button mashing. Killing reds, doing missions, mining, all button mashing.
shrewd totem
Raiding-> clicking thousands of times
Hostile hunting-> clicking thousands of times
Active mining-> clicking a dozen of times
sour jacinth
If you aren't having fun playing it, why are you still playing?
robust vapor
And knowledge is one of the biggest advantages to have in this game, that's the whole reason I share as much information as I can or point to people who know better than I do with specific things.
slim crow
If you aren't having fun playing it, why are you still playing?
@sour jacinth
Given the attitudes here I’m asking the same thing. God forbid we offer feedback to try and make the game fun. 🤷🏻♂️
robust vapor
I can't remember the last time I had fun in game 😂
slim crow
And knowledge is one of the biggest advantages to have in this game, that's the whole reason I share as much information as I can or point to people who know better than I do with specific things.
@robust vapor
How is repeatedly telling us it’s easy to do while brushing your teeth or getting coffee helpful?
I’m watching 2/3 of my alliance not even bother with the event. The one thing this game kinda had was group participation.
tepid isle
"Commanders - I just wanted to take the time to let you know that we are aware of an issue with the 'Solo Data Mining Extraction Milestone event’ - We identified the root cause of the issue and are working on a solution for future runs (as well as the one that is happening now)." What was the 'root cause' they identified, specifically?
robust vapor
@slim crow because people are complaining about how hard it is to reset their mines every 10 seconds, when it literally isn't. the complaints I've responded to like that are about refreshing the node, those people had no complaints on mining speeds.
tepid isle
Shame... of course we are all hoping it's the augment node sizes lol
slim crow
@slim crow because people are complaining about how hard it is to reset their mines every 10 seconds, when it literally isn't. the complaints I've responded to like that are about refreshing the node, those people had no complaints on mining speeds.
@robust vapor
Resetting that often might be fine for you but you don’t seem to care about others opinions about it. They offer that feedback because it is an issue to THEM. Heck the podcasters even agree it’s too short a time frame.
Just because you like something doesn’t mean others do. And based on the many others who’ve said (through words or actions) the same thing vs the few who see it as you do that suggests that the change is likely detrimental to the game as a whole.
robust vapor
@slim crow and you've just brought it back to the obvious answer: opinions. I'm allowed to have my own opinion 🙄 they're bashing the changes, I'm defending them. I'm allowed to do that and it doesn't have anything to do with providing players with Information on game mechanics.
slim crow
At the -15 second cycle rate I’m literally resetting nodes faster than the banner pop-ups cycle. I’ll get the “depleted node” notice well after I’ve reset and am almost ready to reset again.
Then you get the already occupied by yourself bug. Then you go looking for another node and you find nodes which look empty but are occupied, if you stuck in the rapid button mash mindset you could accidentally attack another player on what appears to be an empty node. If your lucky to don’t have the app crash mid mining mash.
And this all on top of the many bugs this game has which have existed for months and we’ve seen nothing done to fix them.
random tide
I accidentally attacked a hostile on top of my node and died yesterday. Felt dumb af
Mindlessly tapping node, then mine. I tapped hostile, attack. And since I was so close. No time to abort
slim crow
@random tide exactly. Then you’re wasting time and rss to repair and resume mining.
I very rarely get on the developers discord. Usually it’s just to read notifications they post. I’m either playing or chatting on my alliance discord. If I’m here offering feedback it’s because something is seriously wrong.
robust vapor
I don't have these issues @slim crow and I need to reset at about half that time. Bugs are a different matter obviously, and opinions on whether the mechanic is a garbage fire or not are just that: opinions
None of this has anything to do with me pointing out that there are people who don't understand the different augment systems have different mining rates, that some people have done the math wrong and are mining corrupted when they should be mining decoded, or that access to higher level augment system has been made easier (even players that are lower level than I am).
You're taking my comments that they might be mining less then optimally due to real and legitimate reasons and dismissing then, and then pointing to opinions I have regarding the changes as evidence that I don't offer helpful information? You're just wanting to complain for the sake of complaining at this point..
slim crow
And then when I’m met with “works for me, you must be doing it wrong” or “I like it so oh well” then that just rubs salt in the wound.
@robust vapor we understand the different mining rates in different systems. We know we can get to higher level systems now. Quit assuming we don’t.
robust vapor
@slim crow I'm not assuming that you don't, but I'm not assuming that you do either 🙄
slim crow
You're just wanting to complain for the sake of complaining at this point..
@robust vapor
That right there is where you make your biggest incorrect assumption.
Any actual help you might offer gets lost by the insults you make.
robust vapor
You deflect and change the topic of discussion to suit your continuing complaints. Call it what you will.
If the 3 situations I raised don't apply to you, then the conversation would end when that's said. Instead you want to talk about my level and completely unrelated opinions I've expressed, call it what you will 🤷♂️
inland hamlet
@robust vapor I can't get to decoded data, what's your solution.
And what about the people who can't even access rge 1st because can't build bb since the free shard bug.
But yes mining decided is faster, but you can't get 3x faster,
But corrupted gives 3x score
But in 3d to do it.... Its only difficult for those that don't have 2 hours in 3d and a bb available.
toxic laurel
I didn’t have an issue. It was a little tedious. I just found a data center with 3 empty nodes and went round in circles until I maxed it out
inland hamlet
I just tired my bb to t2, solo event done.. But did some mining for a test. 290 refreshes for my 7k corrupted data. At 10s a mine plus 5 s to change node
I did get bored going same way around a node so put some music on and had some fun
robust vapor
@inland hamlet per my above comment, if the information doesn't apply to you then the conversation stops.
If you can't get there then you can't get there, what I'm saying is that there are people who are unaware of the mining rates, the shortcut paths,b or just doing bad math (like an friend of mine in a top Alliance).
inland hamlet
And people still send non bb ships because either their bb is tiering, or they can't deal with the bounty hunters to be able to mine safely..
Can't slate people who don't know how
And some just want enough just to buy stuff so not too worried about the alb
Also if yarda is full why not go lower but spend longer safely
robust vapor
My whole point is to provide the information so that they do know how.. hence if it doesn't apply to you then that's all there is 🤷♂️
But unless someone wants to include their ops level, augment faction rep, BB tier, combat ship capabilities and ability to complete the OG unlock missions, I can't assume what they do or don't know 🤷♂️
@inland hamlet actually the next system down is now the same speed as yarda. No need to just aim for that one 👍
inland hamlet
But mine 21k at yarda or 7k protected... Its same time mining 7k wherever
Just more refreshes which lose time
Only thing I think is needed is node capacity x 2.5 times.
robust vapor
How do you mean? It's faster, so it's less time in the systems and they have more data per reset than the slower variants.
inland hamlet
7k decoded earns 7k points, 7k corrupted earns 21k points
Decoded mining is not 3x faster
But if you need both you mine both regardless
robust vapor
Ah, gotcha. Though last I checked the better decoded were more like 5x the speed.
Let me check again 🤔
robust vapor
The drain time is less important than mining speed and mine capacity.
Ok, ifrea to Yarda is about 6.5x faster for decoded data.
inland hamlet
How?
robust vapor
And a little over 5x faster at orda.
inland hamlet
Decoded doesn't take 1s to mine a node
Quantity/time
Plus refresh time
Divided by 3 for corrupted
robust vapor
No, it doesn't. It takes 7-10 seconds to drain a yarda at over 1m/hour
Refresh time is harder to account for without just doing it.. but the orda mines should fill prove faster than corrupted 🤔
inland hamlet
Do math comparison
Based on points
Since points are needed for solo and alb
Take 3s per refresh
robust vapor
Math comparison is about 540 base at 3 points for corrupted vs 950 base at 1 point per decoded. My refresh times on decoded are less than yours, but I'd still think that difference would work out better..
And that is ifrea vs orda, difference is greater say yarda
inland hamlet
I can't see the systems so no idea what highest corrupted node is
robust vapor
Tell me that earlier then 😂 the low level decoded sucks.
inland hamlet
So with your math 540x3=1620 butv950x1= 950
robust vapor
No, 540 includes the 3x already
inland hamlet
My point is if you standardise the refresh its not a variable
tall valley
Are you talking data? Not even looked at Augment since the update. Just like Borg, it's all shi.te.
In fact, I've come up with a new name for these equally shi.te areas.
The Baug Systems
inland hamlet
@tall valley so you've not done your solo so not got the rewards?
robust vapor
@inland hamlet it should still work out better than corrupted either way 🤷♂️ but again if you can't physically get there, then it's not much benefit.
tall valley
If it means mining data, nope.
inland hamlet
Was just contradicting your 3x faster even with your figures it's only 1.8x
Maybe call gregor he likes math
robust vapor
@inland hamlet when did I say it was 3 times faster? my stated 5+ and 6x were before the point modifiers, but still shows the higher points value, and later example with the modifier for you didn't say it's 3 times faster.
nova valley
Loving the toxicity in here this evening. @slim crow i was a level 23 when I rolled through augment the first time. It didn’t happen overnight. And yes there are limits daily on plutonium and augment credits etc etc. you still haven’t provided a valid reason you can’t play. So let’s just do the math. Let’s be visual and try to solve your problem. If you want. If not then it’s on you. I’ll go first. (Ps I’m a casual Spender. Hardly an elitist. I’m a fresh level 35 so hardly a whale. Been in the game since day 1. Soooo how about you not assume either just as you told me not too.) here we go.
This is all we need to see. Your mining rate. And your points required. @slim crow you gonna share?
inland hamlet
My rate is 10s per 25 node. Points needed 21k
robust vapor
@inland hamlet he's calling out an angry individual, not you 😋
inland hamlet
Still curious
nova valley
6 seconds drain. Let’s assume 2 seconds reset. Hell. Wel go 3. Let’s assume I have to recall a few times In there. 804000/3700 = 217.3.
218 x 9 seconds total cycle. 1962 seconds. / 60 = 32.7 min. A dedicated 32.7 min over the course of a 72 hour period.
inland hamlet
I assume standardised refresh of 3s to be fair
nova valley
32.7 min PLUS a few warp timers. Ps. Warp recalling and timers NOT considered active mining time or attention required.
Divine. Let’s do yours. 10s per node I’d 25. Need 21k. Is this red data or green?
@inland hamlet
wanton cloud
obviously red lol
nova valley
Making sure. Haha
wanton cloud
no green nodes are that small
inland hamlet
At lower lvls say mine worked it roughly 2hrsbover 3d
inland hamlet
I can only reach 4th system in but unlocked path but that's irrelevent
nova valley
21000 / 3 points. Means 7000 actually needed. 7000/25 qty nodes.
280 cycles. X 10 seconds.
AH forgot reset time. Let’s do it at 13 seconds.
3640 seconds. 60.6 minutes at your mining rate.
Not including. Warp timers.
inland hamlet
My protected cargo is 5250, travel time 6 mins each way
nova valley
61 total min invested of active mine time. Not including when you recall
Oh there’s your trouble. Be active. Guard your ship. Don’t mine to pcl.
Go over. Push your luck. And f someone comes at ya then recall.
inland hamlet
I do lol
nova valley
But don’t actually leave every time you hit Pcl
sour jacinth
move closer
robust vapor
Mm. I pushed to max cargo, Batman was upset that he missed me 😅
sour jacinth
45 second warp time for me to yarda, 1.2 min time to ifrea
nova valley
If your actively watching, then chances are you may still have to recall a couple times. But honesty not many people pribabaly gonna be hunting red data in that small of a system.
robust vapor
@sour jacinth you've got the shortcut, he's not there yet.
inland hamlet
But yes you work it out is only 1.8 to 2x faster
sour jacinth
people complain about everything, but will not do anything to make it better.
inland hamlet
To reach target but difference in mining points is way more
robust vapor
@sour jacinth he's not physically at the point of being able to unlock it yet. It's a valid point to raise, but that comment isn't fair if he can't..
nova valley
But even if they did, just pay attention. And push your luck. Worst case you’re gonna recall a few times.
sour jacinth
it's 9k dil to unlock all the shortcuts
nova valley
Ps tho. You only need 7k. You said your protected is 5650 or something. So WORST case your recalling one time
sour jacinth
the warp range on the BB was increased
inland hamlet
But difference between a t2 and t8 bb is 4s on our respective nodes
sour jacinth
so go unlock them
inland hamlet
If I was mining same you'd do 804kbto my 3700 lol
robust vapor
@sour jacinth you still need to complete the mission chains to a sufficient level to get there in the first place. You don't need a good BB for it, but you can't just roll up to augment space and go everywhere.
nova valley
Yes. So the power of tierinf the bb and the data research is JUST AS IMPORTANT now. If not more
sour jacinth
ok, yes, I forgot that. but I had unlocked all of augment space at 24 or so, just not with the BB
inland hamlet
Only in event and getting what you need fast
nova valley
Well. There’s no solo leaderboard so that doesn’t matter. But even if there was it would likely be bracketed.
And if a level 30 had a t2 bb then that’s totally their fault. Lol
sour jacinth
Anyways, people complaining about a massive improvement in data mining... well
inland hamlet
Think most stopped at t4
sour jacinth
yea, mine was maxed until I went to 30 cause of rare plutonium
inland hamlet
But now with rates for non bb so high and nodes so small overnight ING is impracticle
sour jacinth
if you stopped at t4 and you werent 23 that's your fault
inland hamlet
Oops low
nova valley
Overnight mining Of data is no longer even required.
sour jacinth
you don't need to mine over night! I just mined 40k green in 5 min
40k red in about 20 min
inland hamlet
What with a horizon or envoy 5 mins gl
sour jacinth
a Bottany Bay
inland hamlet
Exactly
nova valley
Ok. One more step divine. Show me your augment store requirements.
You don’t need to overnight mine. You don’t likely need a ton of data per day
inland hamlet
B4 node capacity was sufficient to overnight in a non bb
sour jacinth
if you can get to augment space, you have a bottany bay, why are you using a horizon or envoy?
inland hamlet
Now impossible
sour jacinth
so you would rather cut vegetables for dinner with a toenail clipper than use the appropriate tool?
inland hamlet
Nope but when you have 1m from overnight ING but can only spend 2k
Now try doing 10kbovernight on a 25 node
sour jacinth
do you mine 3* with a kumari?
sour jacinth
This is why I could never be a mod
nova valley
So divines argument is not about the speed but the attention requires. They e removed the ability to set and forget.
Which is a valid point. Set and forgetters have lost their method. You must adapt lol the game mechanic has changed
sour jacinth
on my server that envoy never would have survived overnight anyway
inland hamlet
So b4 you didn't need a bb now you do
nova valley
FORTUNATELY the time requires to make up the diff is very very little. Just extra clicks.
sour jacinth
you can't get to augement space without a botany bay
nova valley
So divine. May I see your augment store? I have another illustration for you
sour jacinth
so it's a moot point
inland hamlet
But would have come back with protected cargo that's the point here
robust vapor
And they complained about me being mean 😂
inland hamlet
1 sec brb
sour jacinth
well, you can't fix stupid
inland hamlet
sour jacinth
and since it doesn't cost ANY money to upgrade and tier a Botany Bay, all your whining is just that.
inland hamlet
Yes I exaggerate a bit lol
nova valley
Dude. It takes 500 data..... 500!!!!!!!
robust vapor
@sour jacinth there is one exception now though.. sounds like they broke the free BP in augment store with this update 😬
But I came here pointing these same things out and it turned into angry people 😅
inland hamlet
But then I've not mined data in like weeks
nova valley
Show me a green data speed for you.
You need to be buying rep man. Lol but that rep. Level up that rep!!!
inland hamlet
Can't get to green data
nova valley
You can now. Yay for the patch! Lol use a warship and explore the space. Complete the missions.
inland hamlet
Need to get 1 antimatter so kill 56k intrepid boss yellow or 256k bounty hunter
nova valley
Use a warship with Scotty if need be to explore the systems to unlock the faster paths.
Divine what’s your ops level and your best warship?
inland hamlet
Ops 21 today, just started building kehra, 35k turas, 33k tala missing weapon so that's t6 and 32k phin
slim crow
@nova valley you’re level 35. Your ships are more advanced, your officers are more advanced. Of course it’s going to be easier for those with those factors in their favor.
All my ships are busy doing other stuff ATM, so if you really want my numbers it’ll have to be when I have time to swap ships & crews so I can screen shot it.
I’m not assuming anything, it’s plainly obvious by the info provided that those who seem to have less issue with it are higher level. With that said even you stated you thought the node sizes should be increased. I’d say that validates my point.
Besides node size the fact that the way this event is implemented is discouraging 2/3 of my alliance from even bothering with it. And given the rank my alliance is at in the alb vs where we normally rank there are other alliances with the same issue.
We just got done doing an event (Borg) that encouraged cooperation and teamwork within the alliances, now we get one that is discouraging it. Does that seem like a good thing?
I’m not the only one in here expressing these concerns and frustrations. Rather than acknowledge that there might be issues that higher level players aren’t experiencing we get told were doing it wrong, or we want a participation trophy, or we don’t want to work for our reward. That’s a great way to alienate and irritate the community.
inland hamlet
Lol our alliance is 5th in both albs
slim crow
@robust vapor did you ever stop to think that the reason I’m angry is how you choose to communicate with people makes them that way?
inland hamlet
But is relatively new server 164
But I agree the extraction alb is tedious
3d how many refreshes is that competing with blustacks bots
robust vapor
@slim crow I pointed out that there are factors that are legitimately being overlooked by players. Seem to take particular issue with a comment I made towards someone else even. Maybe you should look at how you choose to communicate also 🤨
inland hamlet
On 164 players a few players use bots on these new nodes and go off to sleep
Probably same everywhere
nova valley
I think you’re missing the poin that I’m making @slim crow I do think the nodes should be increased. But not because Of the active mining aspect. I want them increases to help the lags and glitching. The fact that you’re complaining about the time invested (already proven to be approximately 61 min for divine) DOES show you don’t wanna spend the activity requires to max the solo milestones. And th reason alliances aren’t competing in the ALB is cause the alb rewards are kinda crappy. My alliance decided the same. We’re not pushing cause it’s not worth breaking our backs over.
inland hamlet
Well not just data they also use bots 9n normal mining
Can tell when timings are wrong and ships too and fro from base all night
sour jacinth
Bots are against the TOS, report them
robust vapor
I think people are also forgetting that the data mining event always sucked.. that many of us just didn't even bother doing it at all..
nova valley
It’s not about the fact that we’re resetting every 7 seconds. ( although yes it’s Grindy, it’s no more Grindy than anything else in this game ie military supremacy in 48 hours anyone remember?)
sour jacinth
guess I'm glad my server is healthy and our data mining alb is hotly contested
inland hamlet
But blustacks on a mobile game isn't and pc can use a macro, not a bot which is in tos because its not 3rd party
I suggest nodes are increased by 2.5 to 3x max
robust vapor
This is the very first data mining event I've actually done, because it's vastly improved accessibility and speed for mining data compared to previous events 🤷♂️
sour jacinth
well, divine, you keep moving the goalposts
nova valley
Hmmm no, bots are DEF forbidden. Lol
sour jacinth
first it was you can't get to nodes, then it was you can't get to the shortcuts, now its bots
nova valley
I’m glad I’m having influence. Lol I’ve been arguing for 9-12k Node sizes. Still 20-30 second node refreshes but also should greatly improve lag and node respawn issues.
sour jacinth
anyways, I'm tired of this, so I'm gonna go mine a bunch of data, cause I love this new mechanic
nova valley
Keep fighting the good fight. And teach! People won’t adapt if they aren’t taught how.
Education is so important in this game.
inland hamlet
There's sites advertising bots, clickers macros... Yes some use, and many are whales, they've been reported, but still happening, so if nothing is done just live with it... Its np I play for fun there is no win in this game,
sour jacinth
👍 I really think they should change the basic rss to this too
nova valley
That’s why my podcast is purely dedicated to education and explanation of mechanics.
If ANYONE in here is interested join us and enjoy some back episodes. Http://www.talkingtrekstfc.online
Divine I expect you to listen. As a young ops player I have MUCH to teach you.
@sour jacinth THATS been my biggest argument for the community to adopt this model. I think basic rss mining buffs could solve aoooooo many problems.
Economy and raiding being at the top of the list
inland hamlet
This game emulates life.
Lvl 19 to 20 is like uni a bit of a pain but bearable cost wise.
26 to 28 is like marriage costs the earth.
30 plus is when kids arrive everything starts getting expensive.
40 is like divorce. Extremely expensive.
50 you've retired. And can relax.
slim crow
@robust vapor I’m not the one calling others lazy or entitled, that’s you.
slim crow
@nova valley that may be YOUR alliances reasoning. I’m telling you what I’m seeing discussed by alliances on my server (in AC & in GC). The issue isn’t the rewards, we are use to getting shitty rewards at this point.
robust vapor
@slim crow doing a quick search I mostly refer to myself as lazy and have one comment from a while ago calling someone entitled that's got nothing to do with any of this 🤷♂️
The fact is that's it's not hard, and I've expressly said that I can't understand the complaints regarding it as it's easy to do while doing anything else. But again, that's got zero to do with what we were talking about 👍
inland hamlet
Well shitty rewards means you ptp and are in the divorce category 40 plus. Byes it's expensive but game by that point can't be rushed with cash
Everything takes time to build resources to upgrade stuff
So yes this events rewards are like 1 minor upgrade over 3 weeks but its low cost or free saving you cash
nova valley
Then perhaps @slim crow your GC is as uneducated about the mechanic as the general population of this discord. Take the time to do some math. Learn the new mechanic. Figure out a way to make it serve you and improve your strategy. You can be angry at me or not. But the simple fact is this mechanic is here. You can adapt. Or not. Choice is yours.
slim crow
@robust vapor “I can’t understand” there’s your problem. Rather than try to understand you say people don’t want to work of the reward.
inland hamlet
2.5 to 4x node capacity will diminish load on servers but satisfy scopely intention and 90% will be happy with the rework,
10% are just never happy
slim crow
@nova valley there you go assuming rather than understanding what’s being told to you. Not a good trait for a voice of the community.
inland hamlet
Think main probs are people missing the hostile events which count to the battle pass, and those that don't even have the extraction solo.
So our disgust at node size is way down the list.
robust vapor
@slim crow are you serious? That I can't understand why people find clicking every 10 seconds for a few minutes is 1) opinion only 2) NOTHING to do with what we've been talking about here today 🙄
inland hamlet
You two get a room goto pm to troll each other
nova valley
I’m not assuming anything. I said perhaps. Literally means MAYBE. It’s a possibility. One explanation for the outrage.
Which is common. People often get angry at what they don’t understand. So if they take some time and do a little math and LEARN the mechanic they will cease to be angry at it.
Divine If we left this chat room would get quiet. Hahahaha I’m too busy being a “terrible voice of the community” 🤣
inland hamlet
The outrage is change.....
nova valley
Yup
inland hamlet
But once outrage subsides and things are tweaked a new normal occurs
nova valley
Yup again.
inland hamlet
I think they worry most about all nodes going "active mining"
But the only problem area was bb not being used it's now fixed just needs tweaking on node capacity is all
The new quantity of g2 and g3 nodes has alleviated most problems
As for event rewards, without event rewards would be so much worse
Every little helps
Yes there are bugs like mudd shards, not appearing, rewards on elite packs taking 24hrs to credit... Etc but they are priority fixes
Events not appearing
Patience
And if it takes too long you will be compensated...
Been shown in the past with Borg arc that it is done, but yes I understand you pay now you want now.
Cos you just have to win the event daily event limited time event with what you bought
These events roll around so you win it next time
slim crow
@robust vapor as the numbers above prove it’s not just “clicking every 10 sec for a few minutes” for everyone. For some reason you refuse to acknowledge that it’s not that easy for every one.
nova valley
And ps. That’s for the milestones. Your DAILY requirement is FARRRRR less.
Still waiting for @slim crow to show us his screenshots.
inland hamlet
But if you don't use a bb like you mothballed it, times are like 60 to 70hrs
Mind you I know players not even opened augment space at lvl 30 cos it wasn't worth it. Or too boring
slim crow
@nova valley as I’ve said you’ll have to wait since my ships are all currently busy doing other things in the game.
inland hamlet
You don't need ships. To post milestone screenshot or galaxy map screenshot
Dj knows the rates of every tier and crew permutation and node rates
slim crow
@inland hamlet he wants my mining rates so yes I need my ships free to swap to my BB and my data mining crew to give him my best rate.
inland hamlet
What tier is your bb, and what crew at what tier it's simple,
Just the bb tier is needed cos you don't need Aug crew
Yes 8 suppose your ships are busy mine are mining lol
I would make an educated guess, at your bb being t4 maxed... As you didn't need it higher for raiding, and also data mining not your thing.. In past so just used any ship
So t4 bb 21k mining rate an hour
Jaoquin probably t2., and you have tribble
So say 30k hr
Your milestone at 450k
15 hours or 5hrs a day
slim crow
@inland hamlet it’s not maxed. I don’t have the tribble.
This is why I say people need to quit assuming. I’ll provide the requested info when I can.
robust vapor
@slim crow how much time does it take you to mine your daily requirements for the augment faction store then? You might find it hard to believe, but the people I've been talking to about this were typically mining in Yarda already and some even boasting about how much work they'd put into their BB to get faster
Yarda mining rates. I've had a guy literally telling me that he doesn't have time to mine in Yarda anymore when he was spending 3-4 hours a week mining in Yarda already. Some of these people that I'm telling it's easy to do are actually mining faster than I am.
inland hamlet
Anyway off to see how drunk rev is this week
exotic hare
The data nodes are good for lower level but I hate them. I used to put it out about 1am uk and fill up overnight or until I woke up for anything.
7 out of 10 times I walked away with a full load t8 bb.
For me as soon has I get the 20 shards I need, I doubt I’ll use the bb anymore.
slim crow
@robust vapor I don’t mine data every day. I go mine a stockpile when I’m getting low so that I always have plenty to claim all the daily augment store items.
I’m at associate with about 162k to go before I unlock friend status. I can buy 3200 a day from the store.
Right now I have a stockpile of 62k decoded and 52k corrupted.
robust vapor
@slim crow that wasn't the question. How long would it take you to mine enough decoded data for your daily spending requirements..
Given that my comments were directly in relation to the amounts needed to meet the daily spend requirements this is a critical piece of information
slim crow
@robust vapor I would have to do the math on that once I can see the costs in about 11 hours and 20 min.
robust vapor
Considering that your taking issue with my comments surrounding this I thought that you might have some idea at least
slim crow
My comments have been in relation to the event not the daily spending requirements. So you’re judging people based on the wrong criteria.
abstract gate
The station has to be level 24 to get the 2nd uncommon plutonium?
In the Augment store.
Which is required to complete Botany Bay 4.
Is that correct?
robust vapor
@slim crow my comments that you decided to bring into this was specifically for the daily spending requirements 😑 maybe if you didn't take comments that I make to other people as part of your argument in an unrelated matter (because your brought that here, my comment here was in regards to the mining speed specifically).
My comments towards the event is that it's running for 3 days, I certainly didn't do it all at once and wouldn't tell anyone that they should.
teal jackal
@robust vapor before this it would take me all of 30 seconds to mine my daily requirement
Park on a 50k yarda node, set timer for 11 minutes, reset, repeat. And go do something else for that time.
robust vapor
And for reference, the slowest speed decoded data mine in can find with the slowest speed botany bay (tier 1, level 1, no upgrades, no research, no Joaquin or Tribble) is just under 87k/hourn by my math. So when you say that it takes you hours to mine 100k, I have questions about how you're doing it..
teal jackal
Now i have to sit there clicking for half an hour.
robust vapor
@teal jackal 1 that's a lie, if you're clicking for half an hour you'd have.. what nearly 2 weeks worth of data?
And 2) you're ignoring the time managing the hostiles, warping back and forth, watching for pirates (Batman) when you hit OC.
I get that you can't set and forget, but if you're mining like that then you can literally get your daily amount when you go to the bathroom..
I've not said that it's less convenient for you guys who regularly sit on Yarda mines and don't stress about your OC or if you can even get the mine.. I'm saying it takes so little time to do now that is trivial.
north wraith
Its not trivial tho
Might be trivial for you. Its not trivial for the vast majority of players.
inland hamlet
Daily requirement mining is trivial I am at 500 a day. So... 20 clicks...
robust vapor
There are plenty who think it's no big deal too 🤷♂️
But again, this is my opinion, that's your opinion, that's getting dragged up in a conversation about mining speeds specifically, so completely unrelated matter regardless 😑
inland hamlet
So with a bb it's trivial with anything else takes ages and that's the point, use your bb
robust vapor
Yeah, use your BB and actually play the game (that's what games are for).
inland hamlet
It's like using a bb to mine lat.... You don't you use a dvor if you have one
For you to get other stuff done get it done first then spend 10mins doing data it's not a probkem
robust vapor
I'd be curious to see these peoples opinions on RoE and if mining should be something that you shouldn't be able to attack 😂
inland hamlet
Well with new nodes think most servers roe will change to anything but bb is dead
robust vapor
Barely even a need here to be honest
inland hamlet
Our server roe atm is anything actively mining and under opc is safish
But then data b4 this update wasn't really that used
robust vapor
But I mean some of these people think that mining should be a protected activity and Scopely should mandate RoE, and others think that people here should play FarmVille instead. Curious to see how those feelings line up with the data opinions 😆
robust vapor
@inland hamlet I'm not sure about the lower augment systems, but there's plenty up where I mine and I expect it'll be pretty empty once the event is over (even before the change data was overflowing with people during the events..)
inland hamlet
Well my alliance got access to yarda cost most have had ns for ages, most just getting their Sally's and bortas now
But b4 update most overnighter with envoys few horizons, very few used bb unless actively mining
Atm the alb is like someone's mining data but most do solo and that's it or just enough for dailys... But some do the whole 3d. Then want to sleep lol
But after event who knows, will probably be bb data miners only, as no incentive for slow mining
Just more miners on other nodes I expect, probably overnight ING on lat
slim crow
@nova valley Now that I have a ship free to get the info you requested, here are my numbers:
The highest system I can reach using my BB is
To get decoded data I have to use my envoy, which is also range limited. The best rate I can get using my envoy is:
abstract gate
Hey, be nice people, no personal attacks or insults. C'mon we are here for Star Trek ❤️
robust vapor
@abstract gate point me to a personal attack I've made and I will apologise 🤷♂️ I've made comments about ways to get mining speeds in data, and because they apparently are not useful for this person i keep getting comments like this back all day, and bringing up completely unrelated comments made to other people..
abstract gate
@robust vapor text is very hard medium to convey sarcastic remarks. Some people take offence when you call them "some people"... Believe me I had my share of complaints.
But that is not the point. Please stop this line of discussion and go back to Star Trek ❤️
@slim crow as for your question. In Yarda there is now a mission
Autopilot Yarda
It opens up a warp 7 shortcut to neutral space. So that you can mine with literally anything there.
robust vapor
That's part of my suggestion that I'm copping all this over 😂
slim crow
Raiding-> clicking thousands of times
Hostile hunting-> clicking thousands of times
Active mining-> clicking a dozen of times
@shrewd totem actually that’s not true.
Let’s use hostile hunting for this discussion, specifically swarm dailies. At my level I have to kill 50, 20, & 8 swarms to complete my 3 dailies. I kill one level of swarm which counts towards all 3 meaning 50 kills and I’m done. Each attack requires 2 clicks. So 100 clicks and my swarm dailies are done, 300 over a 3 day period. Not thousands of clicks.
In comparison mining data now takes 4 clicks if you are resetting the same node, or 2 clicks if you’re lucky to be able to bounce between nodes. If we use the worst case of 70 minutes worth of active mining to complete the 3 day objective that’s 4200 seconds, or 420 10 second cycles. That’s 840 clicks at 2 clicks per cycle or 1680 clicks at 4 clicks per cycle.
Compared to hostile hunting data mining is now button mashing.
And as has been pointed out with hunting hostiles if you pause to chat or tend to something else in game you’re unlikely to get killed unless your opc with loot or in a unfriendly sector where hostiles spawn and come after you.
Raiding might be more button mashing than hostile hunting depending on how many attack rounds it takes to clear out a station, but it’s 2 clicks to attack then 1 or 2 clicks to recall the ship (depending on if the recall button is on screen).
Next time I do a raid I’ll be sure to count the number of rounds it takes.
@slim crow as for your question. In Yarda there is now a mission
Autopilot Yarda
It opens up a warp 7 shortcut to neutral space. So that you can mine with literally anything there.
@abstract gate
You first have to be able to reach Yarda to activate that mission.
abstract gate
True
robust vapor
@slim crow oh, I wanted to ask. I can't see the warp ranges for normal paths any more, so you'll have to excuse if it's a dumb question..
Can your BB not reach Paradane or Terazon?
abstract gate
@robust vapor put a Realta on your dock, and you will be able to see paths
robust vapor
@abstract gate I have shortcuts, so what I see is coming from the other side and may not be the same requirement.
Specifically I only need 13 for Duriana, this is likely different for Marus.
slim crow
@robust vapor no it can’t. My Envoy can.
robust vapor
Yeah, ok 🙁
Well that's dumb then.. they've made it so that I can get to Yarda with warp 13, but I'd still more warp for those systems? That's dumb.. @abstract gate you should ask panic to lower those systems too 😅
abstract gate
Warp paths are currently not in top 20 priorities 🤣
Priority 1 through 19 are all just dollar signs....
robust vapor
Would it not be for most of us? Scopely are a bit greedy mayhaps, but profit is the only reason the game even exists 🤷♂️
shrewd totem
You first have to be able to reach Yarda to activate that mission.
@slim crow you dont have any other ship that can reach Yarda?
abstract gate
As a proponent of new changes in data mining I would still ask developers to expand nodes for corrupted data.
3700 on decoded data means about 20 refreshes in order to mine enough data to exchange it for augment credits.
100 on corrupted data means 95 refreshes to get 9500 needed to exchange in augment store. Simple buff to corrupted nodes to 500 would make it 19 refreshes (almost same as decoded) to get to 9500 needed for daily exchange.
shrewd totem
There are 500 nodes
abstract gate
500 on corrupted?
abstract gate
Oh yeah, you are right...I checked everything up to system next to it...duriana...which was 100...
Then its all good👍
abstract gate
No it is not. New players are suffering on 10 and 25 nodes
Everything else can stay as far as I'm concerned
@shrewd totem you need to complete a mission which involves killing stuff that you need at least Vahklas or Kumari
delicate zephyr
Oh my this active mining sucks. I like the speed of the mining but the amount of data I get is stupid
weak copper
I think the issue is that Scopely introduced this change in parallel with a data mining event. Might have been less of a backlash against it if they’d held off on the event and let people get used to the change first in order to see the benefits as part of “regular” data mining needs.
winged tulip
It's not the event that annoys me though, it's just i don't enjoy clicking mining nodes every 7 seconds.
silent cedar
needing to refresh 105 times for 17 minutes of mining is pretty annoying - doesn't help that the event rewards are so poor (don't need aug rep and the z tokens are a joke)
robust vapor
So don't do the event 🤷♂️ problem solved 😉
I think skipping data mining events would have been the norm up until this change.
silent cedar
I used to skip them in the past, only did this one just for the novelty
robust vapor
I did this one because it's the first one that wasn't a giant PITA to do 😂
nova valley
As discussed yesterday and on Wednesday during the podcast. My theory was seeing as how this data extraction DIDNT give points towards the battle pass milestones, this event wasn’t for everyone. It was directed at everyone to do. If you are maxed on rep. Wasn’t for you. Granted. If you are desperate for Indy credits. Then will you put up with the pain for 100 Indy credits? Lol I did. I need the credits. But this event JUST like the alb is weak in rewards. YOU have the choice, “is it worth it” just like every other event. If it’s worth it then do it. If not then don’t. I try to evaluate literally every event this way lol I almost didn’t do this data event. Agreed. Rep worthless to me. Zeta tokens are trash. The ONLY reason I did it was for Indy credits. The alb is hardly worth the effort imo. So I’m not chasing that.
slim crow
@slim crow you dont have any other ship that can reach Yarda?
@shrewd totem
Not yet.
Nothing I have can get to or past Ifra yet.
So don't do the event 🤷♂️ problem solved 😉
I think skipping data mining events would have been the norm up until this change.
@robust vapor It’s not just about the event. @abstract gate gets it.
Also, some of us newer and not so new lower level players want to help our alliances in events which we all can benefit from. Lately if you aren’t lvl 23+ you’ve been excluded from helping the alliance, most recently the last Borg event where the activity was a form of armada. Galactic Sheriff sucked.
robust vapor
@slim crow I was responding to droppedbear, who's comment clearly indicated that he's not enthused by the event anyway. If you don't like doing the event and don't care about the rewards in, then don't do it 🤷♂️ I've skipped a few events because I couldn't be bothered and didn't care for the rewards or thought the effort didn't warrant the reward.
abstract gate
@slim crow unfortunately I really can't offer any advice on that. It is clear that design team is pushing new players to lvl up quicker so they can contribute and get benefits from alliance events.
Why they do so, I don't know
Which is redundant, considering how long you need to grind to get your ships, research and buildings in order. Not to mention amount of resources needed.
Not many can or want to drop 10s of thousands of $$ to progress quickly
slim crow
@robust vapor 🤦
robust vapor
@slim crow seriously, what is the issue? I've commented to another person that if they don't care about the event then they don't have to do it. It's not directed at you, it's nothing to do with your specific circumstances, and it's not directed at people who want to do the event. Why are you taking every comment as being directed at yourself?
slim crow
@abstract gate please keep trying to get them to understand. There are a lot of us who fall into that category. Heck, many of us would be fine with not doing certain events, like Borg Armada, if we had a reasonable alternative way to play and help our alliances.
shrewd totem
I said discussion is over.....
You have feedback? Not in the right channel
Go there
Further comments will be deleted. Now move on 🖖
frail ice
I'm with you batman, just make the most of it
shrewd totem
🤔