🏆-event-chat

[minor isle]

I was being a smartass

[silver solstice]

And? It's part of the game. There are other games where you can't be hit, try those. This is a combat game and scopely made it clear for MONTHS that they were going to start orienting the game towards that. War Room was the start. Mirror Crew was step 2. Just wait till you see step 3.

[crude kiln]

Alright, man. Have a good night. I thought this was about discussing the problems with the event structure, but clearly 'Suck it up' is about all I can get from you or Scopely, despite that not being the game I originally started playing. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way, and you're not the only one that feels the way you do, either.

[silver solstice]

Then quit. I don't understand why people subject themselves to things they have control over.

Scopely doesn't care what you think, they care about money, and it's the people who would hit folks like you that are paying the money. The players setting ships out and being lazy aren't typically the one dropping thousands, tens of thousands, and in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars

[crude kiln]

Setting ships out is the entire design structure of the Monaveen systems, my dude. They're literally MEANT to auto-grind. Now, certainly that can change, but playing it as it was designed isn't being lazy. I'm trying NOT to quit by giving feedback that will give them a way to keep me from doing just that. Without smaller players, there are no big players.

[silver solstice]

You are wasting your time. Trust my been playing this game for nearly 5 years now. They've heard it all and they straight up don't care. The devs and decision makers at scopely don't even read this discord man.

As I said before if you don't like ot now, just wait, there is far more pvp events on the way.

But I'll give you a hint. You don't like the style of play on your server, then create a new account and transfer to a different one that has far more strict RoE and you'll be fine.

For example on Server 32, you aren't allowed to hit in Texas space at all for any reason. Same with Swarm Space, Token Spaces, Borg Spaces. Pretty much most of the map, and believe it or not, everyone follows it.

[crude kiln]

Maybe I am. But, I am not going to re-roll. At Ops 42 99% F2P, there's no way I'm starting over. It's either quit or they find a way to entice me to buy the $20 BP a few more times. At this point, quitting looks like it's gonna win. But the game will be unsustainable if they don't start listening. Maybe they don't care about that, though. Maybe they just want their money and let it collapse and move on. Such is life.

[silver solstice]

People have been saying that for years, and yet here we are and here they are bring in millions of dollars. They aren't worried about it or they wouldn't be pushing forward on making the game more antagonistic.

You'd do well to do yourself a favor and quit ASAP because it ain't changing the way you would like it to, in fact the opposite.

[worthy plaza]

I'll have to chime in with I agree with them. Scopelys design and vision for this game is going exactly the opposite of where your playstyle is. They want more pvp because they find it encourages revenge spending. Notice every arc has pvp components now and it's only gonna get worse. You should quit at 42 because the time investment hasn't truly gone off the scale yet.

I truly regret not quitting like 1.5 yrs ago at 42 and instead grinding to the awfulness that's 50s. It was sunk cost fallacy. It's really not worth it, there's no additional fun you'll find "investing" more time into this.

[rugged frost]

i think its fun reading cheap video game addicts complaining

[naive meteor]

Neverending Ship Battle's is
So so boring

[red moat]

The problem with their vision of pvp is they implement it so poorly. Typical pvp now is a 2B+ ship smashing 20 levels down or people just sweeping systems of miners. So now when the pvp events occur we just park up ships and mow the grass.
That means those that enjoy pvp get frustrated and bored, those that don't enjoy pvp have immaculate lawns.

[proud wing]

Largely that comes from the “top players” liking guaranteed wins, the Cube and a few other things are clear indicators of that

In a fair world, either the Cube beam would work the same for everyone, be it able to damage whales or stop them hitting players 10 levels below them.

[silver solstice]

Somewhat true, but fact is people are obsessive about doing something in game whether it be mining, completing events or whatever, so eventually you have to send your ships out and when you do someone will be waiting for you. A vast majority of players simply do not actively pay attention to their ships nor do they want to stare at their screen while it does passive actions.

And that is the crux of the folks who whine about all this. They believe they should just be able to send their ships out and do the things they want to do however they want to and not be bothered. Unfortunately for them, that isn't the way the game goes and scopely explicitly wants to go away from passive playing.

So as I stated before you have 2 choices. 1. Become more active in game play, being far more cognizant of people coming into systems and being ready to use tactics to prevent destruction aka warping out, cloaking, etc to complete the tasks.

2. Quit the game.

As a side note, while I largely agree the pvp system is poorly implemented in terms of balance and one should not be able to hit down 20 or so levels, it is that way for a reason which is that limiting to fewer is very restrictive to top players who by design have spent the most money. There is a value proposition for spending that kind of money. Hardly makes sense to drop 50k if you can only hit 5 other players in your similar range does it? And further how would one complete certain events if only a handful of players in your range exist of which many will not come out to play in certain scenarios.

Either way as previously stated there is virtually no point in trying to change it here in this discord channel because they don't read this stuff. And while you could try this boycott paying routine, it really won't work because you can't get enough players to stop spending as they are compelled to by Fear of Missing Out.

[cunning atlas]

Wow this is the worst implementation of a limited event they've ever done

I come into the game, first thing i do is claim all my chests

Hey a thingy, cool lets see later what it does

[drowsy garden]

How does it work? usual lack of detail and Info

[cunning atlas]

Check events after some mins, oh a 3 hour event... Was that this thingy?

Yep it was, what a waste, i leave in 5 mins...

[frigid cave]

what is this mirror rush event?

[sage vector]

what needs to be done within the 3 hours?

[cunning atlas]

The mirror rush event

[molten sigil]

Wtf is mirror rush and what do I need to do to complete it?

[agile lynx]

Can someone post the Mirror Rush event scoring parameters?

[kind canopy]

What is the individual event that is part of the meta?

Nothing in the Mirror rush folder other than the meta right now

[cunning atlas]

Which tou activiate by a random thing in gifts with to info connected to it whatsoever at that location.......

[sage vector]

What is the soup du jour? 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-sounds-good-gif-18793781

[tulip ether]

aaaand what exactly is the rush? 🙂

[dusky tundra]

complete events that arent there lol

[molten sigil]

Making mirror rush a claim chest instead of opt in like Apex is about as pea brained as it gets

[mental yoke]

So you put out a “gift” and when we claim it, it starts a timer for an event that isn’t even there? 🤦

[stable crow]

i don't have time to do a timed event right now...

[versed stirrup]

What do you have to do after claiming?

[nocturne cave]

well no one forced them to overspend on ops levels. they spend to hit down and guarantee a win. and they wonder why everyone hates em.

[tulip ether]

no clue, I was hoping someone knew

[raw ibex]

Jelly brawl not scoring 😫

[tulip ether]

ain't claiming it until someone tells me what to do for the rush

for all I know it's a realta race

or a kill worms spree

or even mine mycellium

[dreamy patio]

Kill MU hostiles

higher level, more points

[molten sigil]

It is, but half the player base claims everything which makes it the stupidest avenue possible

[dreamy patio]

It's like 54 level 60s to finish it

[ripe jungle]

But what is it at ops 54 😬

[silver solstice]

You are correct, no one forced them to, but they did and money talks.

No one forces anyone to continue playing this game either and yet they do. Really no sense in complaining about it here, it will yield zero results.

[worthy plaza]

um, do i get another mirror rush thing or is this 3 hr timer the only one i get? i didn't expect this thing

[molten sigil]

Welcome to another terribly planned MU event

[fleet meteor]

The reward is a frame. It's just a way to get you to spend your limited vouchers

[worthy plaza]

the reward is crystal mats...

[fleet meteor]

I thought you were asking about the heroic lol

[worthy plaza]

so if i don't have the time to finish this 3 hr thing now...do i get it again or am i SoL?

[nocturne karma]

Edit: ops 59 milestones

[lyric owl]

So, 850 lvl 40 MU kills to complete the heroic for a frame? I'll get right on that

[gusty rune]

Claimed it.. used premium tokens to get to deep space, now the game disconnected and I can't get back in in time to finish the run

Not happy 😒

[past leaf]

Did mirror rush 2 sms appear for u guys?

[somber drum]

Need to be gifting some mirror vouchers………. 😒

[sharp raft]

Wow, can't start mirror rush 2 as soon as you're done with 1? Way to make us waste vouchers. Lame. Especially when I would have finished sms in a single trip except for all the lag...

[sharp raft]

Notice the recharge on the entry token? I'm guessing you have to wait to claim it for the second one to start

[ripe jungle]

The milestones do depend on ops, though it still looks like it might be a bit of a challenge to finish it on one entry

[nocturne karma]

Aye, the ones I posted is ops 59

[wind fog]

108 kills in 1 run, not happening for me. Also, we need extra vouchers to complete these stupid events.

[worthy plaza]

yup, over 100 kills for me to finish, not happening. im giving up at 2nd milestone, MU events is awful, this designer needs to be fired

[lilac musk]

The meta says heroic so I’m guessing they want you be spending money on entry tokens

[sharp loom]

Anyone know what the finish is for ops 44?

[haughty sonnet]

Ops 49: 815 points, killing 45s at 8 points each required 102 kills. With Ent E Riker, Ent E Data, Janeway, it was deoable in one run

Could substitute Kuron in for Janeway and probably get more. I killed 111 total.

[night frigate]

Got to love the hilarity of that last MU event. Adjusting an events scoring multiple times and in the end everyone just dry-humped dead bases... 🤣

[blazing marten]

Probably yes, because somewhere there it's stated you need to 'win' the rush twice, so it has to be allowed to claim more entries

[kindred kettle]

So I got to kill 425 guys if I can only kill the lv 40's, or if I only have the resistance to survive killing 40's given it costs tokens to enter and a limit of 20 min, this arc makes me wanna quit honestly, what a joke.

[nocturne karma]

Those milestones are from ops 59. Yours could be lower if you’re less in ops

[kindred kettle]

I'd like to note I have been playing this game for over a year and I have not once complained about an aspect of this game, and in the last two days I have just been fed up

[kindred kettle]

thanks, hopefully thats the case

[muted hatch]

No hopefully about it, it will 100% the case, I'm ops 56 and my milestones were lower

[nocturne karma]

The event is meh. I have enough for one more entry so hopefully the second half is easy for the event 🤨

[kindred kettle]

Timed token space is just a bs mechanic, god forbid you get a call or IRL happens, you got to set aside time for this arc and its nonsense

I started playing this game because it was a better base builder than others, and offered a lot more, but this is starting to get into time demanding territory, if I wanted that I would play a console game

Almost as if the devs are oblivious to the fact 90% of the game is played outside the game, diplomacy, roe, and community interaction with your server is most of the experiance, and they seem to be intentionally trying to throw a wrench in that

[velvet phoenix]

Another great mirror universe events delivered by same great competent devs and arc runners who loves us players and want be sure we have the time of our life playing this arc events
I had to say it that way or else would be banned 😂

[nocturne karma]

lol day one I had to go into a supermarket where I don’t get signal. Had to cloak up and run around the shop

[wraith roost]

This is for ops 49 if you or anyone else are wondering.

[kindred kettle]

that is very helpful thank you

[ornate geyser]

Only a year in? Oh…you have yet to experience just how bad this gets…🤣

[lean solar]

Anyone have the points for ops 56?

[mellow cairn]

when it comes to the MU .. the whole tokens to get in to do them needs to go as it is getting to costly to keep doing them when you need to do a lot of runs to finish them

[winged cove]

Does anyone know if the mirror universe alb that finished up today, and awarded syndicate xp, was only for level 40 +? I don’t recall seeing it and one of our lv 39 players did not receive the rewards.
Yes he did score for the event.

[dreamy patio]

https://stfc.space/events/2024-06-21/70f0b360b4a7d3f2eea047af33f0708cc6bf2b10/eyJzbmFwc2hvdHNEYXRlcyI6WyIyMDI0LTA2LTIxIiwiMjAyNC0wNi0yMCIsIjIwMjQtMDYtMTkiXX0=?e=$s$

it was ops 15 and up

[winged cove]

Thank you

[nimble musk]

For anyone that can't recall from MU....don't feel bad, I can't recall my miner from TC.

[split crescent]

Lower yes, but not by a ton

[split crescent]

1733

[crimson cargo]

Whatever happened to better quality of life @cosmic steeple, shortening the grind etc..
Here we have yet another loop, yet another grind, but this time you have to hop to a system, travel across, hop to another one and so on.. it takes 5+ minutes just to get to where you want to be, WHY?!
And then we get the SMS milestones, either so ridiculously high that you get so much grief you change them (multiple times so far), or just high enough so people will finish it, but take hours to do so!!?

This is beyind ridiculous now, high time you added some more of the older loops to the Freebooters, since that was the idea in the first place, lowering needed screen time!
Every new grind you add, an old one should be cast into freebooters!

[median vigil]

$copely lost their dictionary. 😞

[sharp raft]

While I appreciate the clarifications to the Mirror Rush OH provided, providing them 3 hours after the event, instead of prior to event start, is disappointing. If it's so complicated that you have to explain it, then explain it in advance. You'll have a much happier player base that way.

[jagged sun]

And after many have used their entry tokens already

[cosmic steeple]

Agreeded. we should have had comms about this event out sooner.

[warped ginkgo]

Sorry I hopped on a lil late today. But when I got on this is what I saw, the intention was pretty clear, was it not like this when it came out ?

[woeful prairie]

Arent all of the arcs pre Lower Decks one already in the Ex Borg Store?

[proud wing]

It was for me at reset.

[summer bramble]

Not enough entry tokens!!! Scopely knows wants players to buy them. No surprise there.

[warped ginkgo]

Hmm, then I'm on scopelys side on this one. Seems like they got the communication part down this time, but communication is usually a 2 way interaction, one sends, one receives. Can't help it if the receiver is broken 🤷‍♂️😆

[dreamy patio]

It was communicated, but scopely didn't take into consideration that collecting the daily gifts is automatic for people

[proud wing]

Very much lol, i was in the middle of killing Exchange Armadas when I blindly claimed it. Still completed it.

[icy panther]

I finished the SMS the first time I did the Rush. Now I claimed a 2nd token, but there is no 2nd SMS. What’s up?

[dreamy patio]

restart your game

[icy panther]

Thank you!

[warped ginkgo]

Lol I think they did realize that and that's why there'd 3 chances to do 2 events, they planned for people to automatically claim the first one , I too did that, but when my brain cought up and read the word "start" I knew i had to hide in the bathroom for 20m. Did a 2 ship run to speed it up lol

[sharp raft]

The issue, for me at least, wasn't any confusion about having to claim the gift to open up the SMS. The way the event was described, it sounded like the second SMS would appear automatically after you finished the first one. A pretty reasonable assumption for one to make, given that numerous events have operated like that in the past.

[hardy jetty]

Honestly, I'd like to know the details of the Mirror Rush event. What do we have to do?! 🤷🏻

[dreamy patio]

claim gift, go in and kill hostiles

[warped ginkgo]

Kill hostile in MU

[dreamy patio]

you got 3 hours to finish the first sms

then claim the second gift, and repeat for the 2nd sms

to complete the meta

you got a 3rd claim if you need it

The meta runs for 3 days

so you'll be able to claim your free voucher at least once

so that's 3 entries

into the MU

[elder gyro]

Are they gifting entry

[dreamy patio]

nothing yet

[elder gyro]

Omg scopley strikes again another 20

[warped ginkgo]

I recall the previous event like this operated this same way, you claim start, do the thing, (didn't get to last MS cause jokes on us xD ) then wait for the claim again, rinse and repeat and on 3rd chance you finished sms. So I was expecting this wait for claim process they've been working with

[dreamy patio]

Still poke poke poking to see if they;ll send some out

[warped ginkgo]

Yes keep poking guys, I love me some comp chests 😁

Only reason I havnt ran out of vouchers this arc 😆

[elder gyro]

When cooldowns are 2 days that's bs

[sharp raft]

A reasonable expectation as well. Which further illustrates why things get confusing - there are several reasonable expectations for how an event will operate, and without proper information, anyone's guess is as good as another's

[hidden peak]

Great event, claimed in webshop and expired after i was back online 🙈

At least give a option to start events without claiming a token

[naive meteor]

Freebooters would be great for L35/36

[crimson cargo]

But the idea of that was to reduce the ever growing screen time.
Since then we've had Mantis, Exiscerstor, Silent Hostiles, Xindi and now worst of the lot, the hop and hop some more mirror event.

[umbral coral]

you are giving mirror rush event token which is available only three times, and you didnt give explanation when event start but after. How are we supposed to get in Mirror system if we dont have and didnt get mirror rift voucher ???

@cosmic steeple

[cosmic steeple]

Lemme see if we can send out another gift start.

[umbral coral]

it would be awasome 🙂

[spring comet]

the bad part is for those stuck at the start of a bracket with higher scores took me 3 entries to kill enough 45s to complete the first sms, second one i wont complete at all with no entry tokens never mind 900 to cover 3 trips

[cosmic steeple]

Will pass on!

[feral barn]

It's expected that you wouldn't, past experiences have led to basement level expectations. "Let's not be considerate of the players they don't matter" is what acopley as a company prophesies via its actions. Nothing against you hamster, I know you worked to improve incursion notifications but for every step I've seen you push forward, yall as a company do this garbage. No early comms, events not shown on calendar or stfc.com web page. It's all good we understand your employer needs for people to screw up so it can extort more bundles for extra tokens to even participate, it's not pay to win anymore it's pay to participate, pay to even compete.

[smoky cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/working-as-intended-scopely-panicstfc-stfcpanic-stfc-gif-17759937

[velvet phoenix]

Yeah the event announcements should be before event start not hours after event started
I know you will again gratulate yourself for great communication but it's not

[sage hollow]

so dumb. this event. i accidentaly calimed the second token.. but have no more vouchers to get into mirror systems

lol

[bold venture]

save your third try until the third day, or whenever you can claim your 3 day voucher refinery

[inner ermine]

not easy to find event they look the same sad

[bold venture]

its a coin flip of getting it right, and two clicks to correct if youre wrong lol

[inner ermine]

same graphics

[bold venture]

pro-tip.... check the timer on the bottom lol

[inner ermine]

to late now lol

[inner ermine]

just noticed frame only not worth it

[velvet phoenix]

The started should be like a exo
We collect and we decide when activate
Putting it in gift section is on purpose so we claim it like we used to claim everything there
Its seriously arc made by people who hate player

[bold venture]

youre right, the meta isnt worth it. the rushes award a not irrelevant amount of trit and crystal. i did them, not for the frame, but for everything else i get for doing them. the frame came to me anyways, not like i cared lol

[inner ermine]

not even worth the mats

[bold venture]

i found it a worthwhile trade. though stocking up on trellium was probably a better motivator for me. but you certainly dont need to do it, that is always an option.

btw, good to see youre still playing max, wasnt sure you were still around 🖖

[woeful prairie]

Not disagreeing with ya. Technically the mantis loop is in the ex Borg store though.

[inner ermine]

@bold venture same

[zinc dust]

seriously - mirror rush. try communicating before hand. we are geared to just collecting stuff. Zero explination of event. Once again truly poor execution / communication.

[zinc dust]

should have been easy - just a little pop up confirmation before you claim. Like literally any other company would have accounted for...

[jolly sun]

I mean it was, giant gold box caught my attention and the word press to start event gave me pause 🤷🏻‍♂️

[zinc dust]

I dont see that well, Im on an iphone - at work. been claiming chests forever - its ingrained at this point. should have announced it before hours after restart.

[jolly sun]

You get three goes and only need two for sms, so your not in trouble 👍🏻

[zinc dust]

i didn't even know it was a thing until read discord and had 45 min left on #2. I did finish that one..... luckily [[ at greater cost than I should have had - 2 entry fees / with almost 9 min of attack animation and 3 minutes travel - Im not sure if i could have done in one ]] Prep was my fault - not thiers ]. Still, adds to general frustration and dissatisfaction.

[abstract gate]

I've got 30 minutes to kill 100 hostiles?!? On Friday night?!?

[bold venture]

3 hours

[abstract gate]

When I looked I had 30 minutes left. I don't sit all day and watch a phone app

[dreamy patio]

the timer started when you claimed the gift

and it said the time starts when you claim it

So it's not about sitting all day and watching a phone app

[abstract gate]

The game used to be fun. Now it's just annoying. Scopely won't get a $ from me.

Anyhoo, it's Friday night. I'm going out.

I'll play my puzzle game instead

[bold venture]

thats the exact idea. play when you have time. you started the timer. you told the game, "its time, lets do this". its ok, you get 3 tries, across 3 days, and only need to complete it twice. so when you have time, feel free to start your 3 hour timer back up for attempt #2

i do like the "its friday night, im going out" as if playing mobile games on friday night is below you, and then stating youll play your puzzle games instead though, that got a chuckle lol. thank you 😛

[tight salmon]

completed 2 rush sms and the meta, got only 2k points in quantum mirror universe 1 sms, whats up with that scopely?

[dreamy patio]

because that's all you're supposed to get

[tight salmon]

meta 1k, both sms 1k each, 3k total, i got 2k

and i'm pretty sure my people are getting 4 k total for completing the 3 rush sms + meta

[lone kernel]

is the meta event just for player at lv 40?

[dreamy patio]

all the MU stuff is 40+

[lone kernel]

not really

[dreamy patio]

yes really

[lone kernel]

i see some at lv 10

[languid nova]

just completed #1 when will the #2 show up

[dreamy patio]

next time you pull the event gift

[languid nova]

thats in the next 2 days 12 hours 😳

[dreamy patio]

that's how long the event is

[languid nova]

thought i had to make 2k pts. fortunately it was only 500 done in 1 run with speed crew. L43 here. yesterday i was irritated seeing your uploaded image thinking how could i make 2k points with 2 tokens left 🤕

[reef kiln]

stupid mirror rush event! i opened this event starter gift without knowing i only have 3 hours to complete it each time. couldn't they communicate this properly before? 🤮

[dreamy patio]

It does tell you that when you claim the item that the timer starts right on the picture at the top

[rare verge]

How can you do these mu events when you have no vouchers to enter?

[lilac musk]

💸

[rare verge]

Well that ain’t happening 🤣🤣

[reef kiln]

sure it does. didn't read it, just grabbed, that's how it is in real life sometimes, don't have time and want to do later

[karmic minnow]

Mirror Rush Meta Heroic SMS Event is flawed for ops 40 ppl who can only claim the free entry tokens and can only kill the lv40 ships the pts system needs revision or are the scopley event ppl a bunch of paklads and feringis or only want cash

[velvet phoenix]

Devs = ferengie
Coders = pakleds
CM = vortas

[spring comet]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-tng-pakleds-smart-geordi-gif-16096922

[jolly sun]

Three day event, your 3 x entry claim must be coming up at some point during then

[sage mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-han-sung-kang-fast-x-no-gif-9009623534519168477

[weak ocean]

Is there a reason our server would be participating with two other servers in the mat spend xslb?

[proud wing]

Are you on a bye week for incursions?

[weak ocean]

Yes

[proud wing]

I think thats why then, otherwise you can’t take part, XSLB needs an opponent, so they stick you in with another pairing.

[weak ocean]

Thank you

[pale rain]

Wow I thought 1 was bad enough

[dreamy patio]

at least it wasn't against two opponents like the last one

or the one prior to that

[pale rain]

That's what he said 2 other opponents

Don't matter I could buy every pack in store and not come close to g6 scoring anyway

Put as many as u want just easier to ignore

[weary niche]

does mirror rush 3 get you any quantum meta point?

[icy panther]

Any update to Incursions Rewards for Ops 61+?

[warped ginkgo]

Ops 61 + are supposed to be buying packs silly 😅

[proud wing]

only if you didnt complete it, you have 3 attempts to complete 2 runs for the 200 meta points

[weary niche]

will do it just for the mats - always happy to double dip

[winged cove]

It took me two trips to finish one run. I thought it was decent.

[steady hedge]

So no Mirror Rush 4? Just 3 attempts?

[dreamy patio]

Just 3

3 attempts, 3 events

[summer bramble]

Mirror rush is a cash grab! Not enough of these and a 2 day cool down. Enough Already Scopely.

[sonic mist]

Epic Recruit XSLB - solo Dominion armadas not scoring?

[dreamy patio]

Are you spending rare and epic?

[sonic mist]

Yeah, rare.

[molten sigil]

2 3/4 day cool down you mean

[summer bramble]

Really? You are that bored. 😝

[heady mica]

Anybody else getting the have to restart after trying to rift out the MU. On iOS.

[naive meteor]

That image looks similar to He-man Axe and shield. .

[stone hamlet]

He-Man is one of my favorite old properties from when I was a kid

[naive meteor]

Definitely a good one,
The reboot cartoon of he-man isn't that great

[proud wing]

Reboots never are.

[covert onyx]

Buddy at that lvl I think scopely want you to pay for everything so....

[manic lion]

The rewards for incursions have always been meh at any ops level so why bother with it at all 🤷🏼‍♂️

[real tusk]

something is always better than nothing.

[manic lion]

Shield up and enjoy a drink with mates, much more productive

[cinder ember]

Is there an issue with gifts? Mega cube event is out, but I got 100 expansion cube ones? Need 500 to do even 1? No borg directives like usual

[desert laurel]

Lower level players get some borg directives to start armadas in the cube area West of Fed space. Higher level ones get 100 solo armada directives.

[dreamy patio]

Lower ops, 2 regular cube directives, everyone else 100 unc solo directives

[warped brook]

When is the swarm event? I have not seen an event to get the Franklin skin for years. Also last few event store did not have the red skin for Feesha. It would be nice to get these older skins.

[pearl bluff]

is there going to be an interim battle pass as well as the posted interim events?

[glacial token]

<@&509691205798592532> …what happened to the war chest events ?

[hard oxide]

They thought we were unlocking the research and upgrading the building too fast. Can't have us completing them in the next 2 years 🤣

But seriously they said they were moving it to coincide with incursion

[desert laurel]

The Warroom event was postponed so that it could align with incursions this month.

[glacial token]

Thx for the response….why is there just one event per month when there were 2 in the past per month ?

[vague tapir]

Why are we doing Crucible of War (a PVE event) over incursions again? Do you not like people finishing their PVE events? Because I don't hostile hunt during an incursion event, I raid bases on the other server. We used to get Crucible starting Sunday or Monday prior so it was finished before the Incursion began. Why did this change? Like, line up the Vi'dar PVP day of Mega Cube so it's the day of incursion. That's at least stacking PVP events together.

[proud wing]

too much piracy!

[glass zealot]

What happened with the bp overflow? I completed all events and still came up 6k short. Anyone else have this issue?

[vague tapir]

I ended up 15k/two milestones short and I didn't think I had missed any, so idk.

[willow topaz]

Is there any information on the summer games event? Is it a special one-time thing or has there been one before?

[dreamy patio]

`3 types of events each day (hostile destroy, ship specific pvp, and domination)
First day and Bronze level, second is silver level, third is gold level
Each day they get a little harder
Completing all 9 will count towards a meta for officer shards

Along with the 9 events will be the STFC Marathon, 16 milestone SMS that will give Syndicate XP, Hugh shards, Galactic Recruit, and MU research dust`

[willow topaz]

Anyone know the math on "borg recruit special" in terms of what chance there is for each of the listed rewards? There's no [i] icon like on some other recruit pages

[dull pagoda]

Why are g6 players in all of my brackets every day

[sage mango]

We've been asking this since g6 launched... Seems most of the player base is in late g3 or g4.. so they won't move g6 into their own bracket.. till g5 gets fatter

[dull pagoda]

They weren’t in most of my brackets the past few weeks

[ornate geyser]

G5 is a tar pit. Only spenders can get through it in any kind of reasonable timeframe. It’s going to be at least another year before there are enough G6 to support their own SLBs. At least…

[scarlet dock]

Disagree with the not enough comment. It doesn’t matter if there’s only one or two g6 on a server, they win the slb regardless right now. So even if they have their own, they would still win. The only difference is that more g5 would try if we had our own bracket (which influences spend). Scopely is hurting itself while it thinks it’s helping itself.

[manic lion]

G3 and g4 players don't want to move into g5 cause of the leader board brackets changing to 51 plus so are purposefully slowing down there progress.

[civic frigate]

G4 4eva

G4 lyfe

[rich inlet]

@supple token So this looks like the war room is active atm on server 15. Is this a mistake or was this planed?

[versed osprey]

same on 121

[supple token]

I'm still confirming this with the team

[hexed kettle]

Between g4’s wisely not moving into the bracket of despair that is g5, and g5 players slowing down as they get reduced rewards, Scopely has managed to:

1. Punish players for progressing
2. Slow progression down quite a bit from ops 49+

Now… maybe that’s what they wanted? For the life of me I can’t figure out why they’d want that, but it’s their game and they can do whatever the hell they want. 😆

[manic lion]

There plan was to frustrate and fomo everyone into spending more but it's having the opposite affect and slowing most players down.

[desert laurel]

Winning brackets is a small portion of your income, and giving up all the G5 sources seems like a mistake. For example, I wouldn't willingly delay G5 armada chests for however long you want to camp in G4.

[sinful sluice]

new event.. domination event was supposed to give 20k pts.. only gave 15k pts in both battle pass and overflow

[desert laurel]

Probably scoring lag, I'd wait or reboot.

[marsh helm]

Let's play spot the rather massive mistake

[sacred quest]

@marsh helm I was wondering if it was me or the game😁 it's the game 🤣 🤪

[mental yoke]

“Heroic” indeed. lol.

[urban crown]

war room 999b to finish O.o

[pallid jungle]

Are they ever going to fix this part of the mega cube event so the OPS LOCKED SHIP is grouped accordingly

[velvet phoenix]

🤣🤣🤣
You new here?

[hexed kettle]

I feel the need to respond as this is way, way off. I don't know if you're a small/mid/big spender Candle, but you are waaaay off on this one.

Firstly, g5 players need to spend a fair amount of $ to be able to unlock the new officers. Every arc a player is in g5 compared to g4, they're guaranteed to miss unlocking new officers without spending several hundred dollars. Its not true for g3, g4 or g6. Only g5. The end of arc event store currency we receive has been nerfed as well, so g5 players are legitimately going through entire arcs (with full participation) with most officers still locked.

Secondly, every single slb that is mixed in with g6, most g5 players are either finishing in the 26-50 bracket, or completely locked out of all rewards. I mostly look at slb's like another pay to play function now and ignore them. It's not fun. And all those missed rewards add up. g3, g4 and g6 are getting those rewards. g5 is not. A single slb might not seem like much, but how about 500+ slb's over the last year? That sound like a 'small' amount?

Without a doubt, I feel like moving from ops 49 to 53 has been mostly punished overall. Silents, Gorn and the MU grind all take way longer (even with 2 g5 uncommon ships), I don't unlock new officers ever any more and slb's are mostly a hard pass. Does that sound fun? Or, at least more or equal fun to g4, where the grinds were far more manageable, slb's were competitively fun and new officers were obtainable? Moving from g3 to g4 was a lot of fun. Progression was not slowed at all, more things opened up and it was just a fun experience. I can say with absolute certainty that the same is not true from g4 to g5. Yeah, the g5 armada chests are good. And my Northcutt looks cool. That's about it.

To anyone reading: stay out of g5 until Scopely fixes this mess. To Scopely and anyone trying to downplay this issue: Don't worry, I'll be here to bring attention to it every day until you solve it. 😄

[lime locust]

So glad they updated the online store (sarcasm intended); maybe fix the game first

[celest relic]

Is ops50 a good spot, or is 49 better? I’m contemplating a g4 epic while they figure out g5s brackets

[hexed kettle]

I'll have to let others answer as I went from 49 right to 51, and then 53 after a month. Its possible 50 gets lumped into g5 brackets for some slb's, or it might be the best place to be.

[opaque ore]

Hmm, 20K from Domination. 17K credit on battlepass, 0K credit on overflow. Something isn't adding up here.

[sharp raft]

Wow, lag so bad in afritalis game is unplayable, but hey I am so glad the devs spent time improving the store aesthetics...

[molten glade]

still did not get any points for my overflow and i finished the BP event

[desert laurel]

Winning an officer auction gets me 100/1500 shards for an officer. I understand that this first 100 is especially meaningful for some officers, but in the overall scheme of things, you should never plan to capture this sole source since so much is out of your hands. Treating the auctions as early access can open up other income opportunities, and the officer there can be picked up at a later time from the real source.

The benefit to be gained is from guaranteed sourcing from SMS type events and the opening of higher grade earnings, rss/mats, that are unavailable at lower grades. These are the things that your future self will need. So many things are time-gated, adding more to it doesn't seem like "fun" move.

[manic lion]

Not camping per sa more stalled due to the rare ore needed for the buildings as just cleared the Crystal one and holding off from doing the guns till I can do the warehouses and vaults as that's a lot of rare mats to use in a decent officer auction

[manic lion]

Ops 50 is still g4 so if you've done all at 49 then might as well go ops 50 and get the ship of choice, 51 it all goes to g5 @celest relic

[desert laurel]

Stalled is normal, and the future you'll still be facing as you move on. It's when you willingly choose to delay that seems like a mistake to me. G5 players are earning months of stuff with their events while they wait for the bracket separation. Faced with the choice of earning G4 rewards + some extra G4 SLBs, would you give up all that you've earned in G5? The choice is pretty clear for me.

Is the future you a strong G4 player, or do you want to see what the game has in G5?

[hexed kettle]

The thing you are missing: Most players only ever get newer officers to tier 1.

Getting that initial unlock during the arc is actually incredibly important. Proper mats saving, using all the recruit sms's and recruit slb's strategically, AND the end-of-arc event store, can (barely) earn you that unlock. Mess up a little bit of all that, and you probably need to buy a pack to fill in the gaps (a reasonable solution for busy/impatient people). This is the path to unlocking officers for g3, g4 and g6, and has been for no/low spenders for quite a while.

With the launch of g6, that all went out the window for g5 (and only g5). If it changed in its entirety game-wide for everyone, well... that would suck. Big time. But at least it would be equally sucky for everyone. Now it just sucks for g5. Which is why I advocate avoiding g5 at all costs.

Yes, if you want to get more tiers on your new epic officer, you will need to spend $, or wait a looooooooooooong time for the eventual sourcing of that officer to get you there. (Issue: not all new officers ever get sourcing btw)

But that initial unlock is incredibly important. For example, getting Jonathan Archer unlocked 2 years after the nx01 arc released (through the MU store) is quite useless. By then that's old content you've been muddling through without him for since forever, or just skipped entirely because you didn't have him and the grind was too long. Barely getting him unlocked at tier 1 during the arc he launched in is incredibly useful. This is true of most officers and the arcs they relate to, and no/low spenders will tell you that the difference between no unlock (and waiting many, many months/years? to eventually finish the unlock) and barely getting tier 1 is the difference between having fun and slowly disengaging from the game.

Since being in g5, I'm very far away from Sam 68/120 and James 8/120 Kirk. Got 60/100 on mirror Picard. I assume this will continue with every new officer launched now. I won't get new officers, I can't compete on slb's, pvp is already a hard pass with the crazy imbalances... At g5 now most of the fun things in this game are out of reach without spending LOTS of $. g4 was not like this. Loop grinds were time efficient and fun to progress through, slb's were competitive and worth grinding for (some times) and overall the game was fun. With g5, I'm spending far more time in other games and activities and am slowly drifting away from stfc.

Maybe this model for g5 is pushing far more people to angry/fomo spend then I realize, and its just time for me to move on. But that isn't the impression I'm getting from Scopely at all... I think the intent was to make the g4/g5 transition be much like the g3/g4 one was, and they are just stubbornly holding onto this one 'solution' to their small g6 brackets for reason 'x' that we don't understand. (Stubborn executive calling the shot? Overworked dev team with no time to think about things? Executive team wanting to monetize as much as they can before the game dies? Who knows?) But their 'solution' to g6 being small is punishing g5 and pushing many players out of the game.

[manic lion]

As a strong ops 49 the last officer I was able to unlock was archer before that it was E data and e pic, as a ftp even g4 is bad for officer acquisition due to the overly inflated material needs and greatly reduced scoring for everything apart from g6 mats. I'm slow rolling so I can fully finish off old loops before eventually going into g5 territory as I can already buy out the vorcha and a nova which will be my 1st 2 g5 ships.

[modern topaz]

like there is "real" officer sourcing? 😂

[abstract gate]

These PvP events are stupid.

[serene helm]

Not really a pvp event it’s just shoot as many upc miners

[abstract gate]

I'm l44 and I've 3 l49 camping the area

[abstract gate]

I'm trying to be good

[sinful sluice]

Just to add.. i managed to get ent e picard and ent e riker to t3 from the slbs and sms in the launch month in the 40s... but since the move to the 50s i havent gotten any officer to even t2...

We cant compete with g6 where they spend resources not available to g5 players for significantly more points...

all the other players (except g5) are competing with people who have access to similar resources and point scoring rss..

[hexed kettle]

The ridiculous thing is that no sane g5 player will buy packs to compete with g6, as the scoring means one g6 pack equals many, many g5 player packs.

So not only does it stall out g5 growth to g6 (something they should definitely want), it also stalls any g5 players buying packs to win competition with other g5 players.

Imagine spending $500 as a g5 player and STILL finishing outside the top 50 in a slb. 😆

[modern topaz]

thats reality isnt it

[abstract gate]

Attention scopely. The game constantly crashes and set events so bigger people can attack much lower players. I used to buy the BP. I spead nothing now.

[sinful sluice]

just imagine having a g4 player compete with a g5... i fully upgraded a ktinga and couldnt complete the g5/6 sms... they should open the floodgates... g4 should have to compete with g5 as well.. g3 /g4 folks early unlock officers faster and cheaper than g5...

alternate suggestion: just make the scoring of the g6 material equivalent to g5 materials till you are ready to split the bracket

[desert laurel]

The thing you are missing: Most players only ever get newer officers to tier 1.
I'm not missing that. I just don't consider it particularly important to get most officers in the first month through a hard SLB. Only a few unlocks are worth getting in the now, the rest can wait. Sam, skirk, mbenga, phlox, and trip? They're in that latter group. An archer unlock? sure, that's one of the rare ones to push for. He only helps the loop a little though, and it's doable without.

You're ignoring the opportunity cost of camping 50. You're not earning anything of persistent value for G5. A strong pilum doesn't get you to a 53u faster. Each successive month leads to worse and worse research options. Compare that experience to earning month after month of G5 rss/mats, armada chest loot, lat, and progress on specialty ships waiting for the G5 "warp particle" means actual, meaningful progress in the game.

[undone pebble]

spot on... they went to 2 X sourcing per month... and then non arc related crew or even last arc officers... but then again it's so scopely to use our own thought out strategies against us or even worse... go all "milk mode" on it

[hexed kettle]

I agree that camping sucks. The fun of the game is progressing. I don’t think it’s good to camp for no reason.

My argument is that g5 is such a dumpster fire that camping at g4 is the better of two evils to suffering in g5.

You are entitled to your opinion re: the officers. I disagree completely. The officers are released in their arc to help with the arc and the new loop that arc creates, and missing out on all the new officers for many, many months, possibly years is far more detrimental than you are making it out to be.

Research and officers are the two keys to staying relevant and properly capable at your ops level. Being without almost all the new officers is, imo, crippling. If I had it in me I’d go back through each new arc/loop and show how much they’d suck without the appropriate officer (or how much pvp sucks without the new pvp officer) but I just don’t have it in me.

Those playing without the officers know how much more time and effort it takes to keep up without them.

[desert laurel]

I think hindsight will provide the answer best. When they finish the separation process, we'll be able to look back and say whether or not camping for the many months was worth it or if we'd rather be ops 50 and looking at the daunting task of playing in the new G5 behind the ops pushers.

[dreamy patio]

More like if not when

[indigo heron]

raiding in TC isnt scoring for war room. just raided half a trillion from in TC, actually two of us, so almost 1trillion. but no score on war room

[dreamy patio]

The bonus is for gas/crystal/ore and iso opc

not rss

has been since they introduced the war room

[desert laurel]

That's one of important things to consider too.

[indigo heron]

shouldnt it be mats then? and not "resources"?

[hexed kettle]

I agree, but its ridiculous that we’re trying to decide which is worse, staying at g4 or moving into g5, when its obvious both choices suck and the real solution is to make g5 not suck.

[indigo heron]

also clearly "raid"

which is station

[sinful sluice]

Regarding the uc53 ships... staying at ops 50 Revdeuce managed to get bps for all 3 uc53 ships..

Regarding officers.. trip tucker is a must for silent enemies

Rss are ops dependent.. the refineries dont pay anything good till like ops 54..

The point we are making is not relating to camping... it is actually a demotivator to actually spend.. In the 40s i know i was spending more during slbs.. now i just finish the sms and stop..

[desert laurel]

Only sucks for you. I don't consider the G5 experience nearly as bad. I know I can't win the officer SLB, and some of the G5/6 ones. But there are SLBs that are just G5 in them, and I do fine. I think the experience that sucks is staying at 50 and earning research that doesn't matter and a ship that has no relevance, and then hitting all the same mat walls that I currently do while being months behind on my stockpiles.

[desert laurel]

Trip isn't necessary for SH, I don't even use him. How do you crew there?

[modern topaz]

silent hostiles as ops 55 is a joy 🫣

[dreamy patio]

still waiting for them to add a refinery option for the lower materials, because it's a terrible design to make a currency obsolete the minute you raise your ops

the whole thing needs work, they have the feedback on what the issues are, but i don't see them ever acting on it

[sinful sluice]

sorry but by this logic we all just power thru to 70.. as all ships are useless below that...

Apparently i am playing wrong where i am enjoying having the crozier and sanctus having got the nc and corvus..

i should just get 1 of them and power through..

[sinful sluice]

The crew i have the max loot with for 1 hull ent e pic/ ent e data / trip tucker

[desert laurel]

There's a difference between getting the ship you need, and pushing mats into something you don't and will be replacing.

You can get a T6 50e, and that takes you to G5, easily. Or you can camp a few months for a T8 and useless research... to still take you to G5, easily.

[sinful sluice]

thats the point.. we dont need mats.. we need to enjoy the game in a fair way..

yes i am replacing mats i am investing in upgrading the sanctus and crozier.. but that my choice.. upgrading only building and ops level just to build coffers for the next ship / higher research isnt fun

[crisp umbra]

is war room broken? got no PvP points

oh just 10 a hit. so useless 🤣

[sinful sluice]

also would like to add that a fully upgraded t12 is only just able to reach lvl 60 system.. so you need to invest resources into it...

A sanctus t7 reaches level 60 system barely.. ship that cannot be used in g6 systems as it doesnt have the warp range.

minimum ship required is a to enter a g6 system at ops 61 is t6 epic g5...

so basically what i am getting at is that resources need to invested, to replenish the g5 resources i need to be able to complete loops.. to do them efficiently need to be able to maximize all the officers / events /slbs

Also have seen a lot of games.. never have i heard of players 10- 20 levels lower getting things easier and in more quatity

[sinful sluice]

its a multiplier for the damage done..

[desert laurel]

Haven't had any issues with my sanctus at T5 for ops 59.

[trim vortex]

I'm playing with fully maxed talios locked at my lvl (37) against players up to and including lvl41 . Talios with 5 mil or more strength above my ship. No competition even with carol freeman pvp crew. Very frustrating to spend load loads on repair. Given up.

[serene helm]

Didn’t even bother starting it

[velvet phoenix]

I have no chance against lv60 players in tailios pvp
Is very bad event
Made probably by same devs what made asb assault

[harsh warren]

Being Ops 55 is the worst experience I have had in the game. No other pain point even compares. Cannot get sufficient rare mats to progress. Cannot compete with G6 (so no new officers) Frustrating, boring, terrible. I know I need to just quit….. have heard that advice several times.

[mental arch]

For what it’s worth, can Vemet+2 on these PVP events and should be able to get 2-3 deaths per hull. I do that when I don’t want to drop shield or otherwise care too much. Still involves repair bill but getting more scoring out of it at least

[exotic talon]

same here several hours later

[alpine plover]

42vs49 talios pvp is the dumbest event I’ve seen in at least 2 days.

[hexed kettle]

No, Candle... not only sucks for me. Plenty of others here sharing the same opinion as me. Plenty of others in my alliance and on my server have shared their experience with g5, and it has not been positive. There have been SOME positives, yes. The overall experience cannot be viewed as a positive one however, especially compared to how g3 and g4 was.

I'm happy for you (no, really, I am) that you've enjoyed your g5 experience. I'm sure there are others as well. (I am curious how much $ you spend each arc to reach that point of enjoyment, but you of course don't have to share that with us.)

What I do know is that going from g4 to g5 is a rather steep decline in overall enjoyment for many players. It's among the most common complaints you mods here get, it's one of the most common complaints on this discord any day there's a new slb, and the lack of any response from Scopely is leading to players leaving the game, or at the very least scaling back their engagement. I (and many others) write here hoping it spurs some change, because we don't WANT to leave a game we used to have fun in... and the hope is player feedback is taken seriously... but with each new day/week/arc that comes with the same dumb brackets, the more I log-in, do pulls, do the bp event and then just close game. Which really isn't too far away from just not logging in again.

As a long-time customer who has enjoyed the product in the past, I'd rather leave my feedback and hope it spurs positive change rather just leave. This feedback has been given by many people again and again and again and again... with no action taken. No sign its even taken seriously. No real choice but to assume they just don't give a **** 😆 . And that we should probably just move on. Quitting something you once loved and are probably addicted to is a tough thing to do, which is probably why so many of us are still here. maybe I should start a stfc-quitting support group. Will even be free-to-play! 🤣

[worthy plaza]

G5 ops absolutely is awful. You're basically outta luck on officers forever given the poor sourcing opportunities for new things.

[warped ginkgo]

The g5 players in my server seem to love it 😆

Albeit it's probably because we just ascended to 50 a bit ago

[desert laurel]

You're comparing the G5 experience today with the G4 experience of yesteryear without taking into account the numerous loops that they've introduced over time to change that G4 experience to what it is today. You might not like the loop game we currently have, but that's not an indictment of the G4/5 grade shift. The only thing to compare is how our experience would change if we were downleveled.

If they reverted our accounts down to G4, the loop game has not changed for either of us. We're still doing the same things as before, but now we're locked into a cycle of diminishing power relative to the rest of our galaxies. We can earn officers better than before in the auctions, but will watch our ability to influence a pvp battle dwindle because our ships are outclassed. While we do the same things, we do not earn progress. Specialty ship loops are locked without going into G5. Our officer income from those loops will also drop to G4 levels. We grow bored of researching another 15% G4 mining boost, and trickling in rare parts to push our 50e one more component. I don't see a game there anymore: no growth, no influence, no change, that's just maintenance.

Instead of asking them how much they hate G5, ask them if they would choose to downlevel all the way to 50 until the G5/6 officer separation is finished. I bet you get different answers.

[fiery compass]

I choose to push into g5 despite the lack of separation because the alternative was pure stagnation. I wish g5 was better than it is but it also beats staying g4 forever.

[hexed kettle]

I... don't think you understand what I'm saying. If our only two options were the two you just gave, yeah, you'll get varying answers and people who'd advocate for one over the other. But that hypothetical is not anywhere near my point.

Which is... g5 ain't fun. My g4 experience to compare it to was just a few months ago. YOUR g4 experience might've been ages ago, but not for those of us pushing into g5 the past few weeks/months.

Ultimately, a game is either fun or its not. Most of the fun smaller players have in this game is progressing through pve. Now even much of that progression has us paired with g6 players we have no chance against. (You know, they COULD change the scoring in these slb's to make the contest a more fair one between g5 and g6, right? There's no reason for a g6 mat to score 12x more than a g5 mat. If we were actually competing, we wouldn't have a problem.) But its not a competition, its just a beer league team going up against the Stanley Cup champs. Day after day after day.

PVP has always been terribly unbalanced. Players who can get wrecked by a g6 player (I think they can hit down to 42? lol) just pass on pvp generally. Now the same issue is happening on the pve side, and its making the game not fun. People don't stick around for not fun.

Thinking back on it, the fun I had in g4 was competing vs. other g4 players for things. First in a damage-based slb. First player to reach ops 48. First player in a research slb. I'm not doing any of that anymore, I'm just getting crushed by g6 players again and again. And the other g5 players feel the same way. In a typical slb that tracks, maybe, iso-damage done, I'm not competing with the players I've grown with in our own bracket, we're all sitting in 70th place, not trying at all, because the top of the slb is dominated by 5 billion power ships. That. Isn't. Fun.

The pve loops are pointless as well then, because growing my ship or crit dmg or whatever actually doesn't matter, because when it comes time to compete I'm still not competing vs. my g5 competitors, I'm still getting crushed by a 5b g6 ship. My ship can do maintenance on dailies just fine. Growing it 10% and adding some artifact abilities or whatever is really, really meaningless when you won't use it for anything relevant anyway. Which is what slb's were designed to do. Compete.

[desert laurel]

If your position has evolved into wanting the current G5 experience to be better, then we're very similar. But your initial one was:

To anyone reading: stay out of g5 until Scopely fixes this mess.

My hypothetical was designed to tease out the path that G5 players think is best, and the advice to give to 50s looking upward. For me, that advice hasn't changed: push forward and there will be growing pains, but the game's still enjoyable, and will become better when they finish the process.

[warped ginkgo]

I'm like 3 months from g5, so scopely has 3 months to fix the slbs 👀 although I reckon I'd still lose to the 59s 😆

[normal osprey]

And the 56s and the 58s and the 53s 🤣

[hexed kettle]

We have players in our alliance who have been ops 49 for 6+ months now, and they still enjoy the game. They're working on t9 and t10 on their g4 rares, finishing research trees, completing new loops with a fair amount of ease, etc.

Compare that to the two g5 player friends I lost on my server mid-arc this month, and me just about ready to walk away from it too.
There is also Collateral Damage above who made the move and is happy with his choice, even if he's not 100% happy with g5. So there is probably room for both pov's to be true.

I do somewhat stand by what I said; the ops 49 g4 members of my alliance are still happy being in g4, and many those who pushed into g5 are not happy at all. I also wonder if I'd be having more fun being back at g4. People really need to think carefully about what they want out of the game before making the jump, because going from competing to getting crushed in everything, all the time, with no end in sight is certainly a very different day-to-day experience.

And yes, our discussion evolved from just 'avoid g5 or push to g5' to something more. My initial post was about much more than just that as well (cherry picking one line out of context will usually result in bad result 😁 ).

[hexed kettle]

That's somewhat true of every bracket when you move up. An ops 39 who used to place well in the 36-39 bracket will lose more once at ops 41 to the ops 43-44's. The motivation to grow and become an ops 43-44 is fun, because its achievable. Being ops 51 and realizing that ops 53, ops 56, ops 60, ops 62 will all still be crushed by ops 65+... with no end in sight... that isn't fun.

Ideally g5 would have ops 51-55 and ops 56-60. But even ops 51-60 still has an end in sight for losing as an ops 51, and is good motivation for pushing through to higher g5 ops levels. By ops 56 you are mid-pack, and past that you can win things again. Today, getting to ops 59 changes... nothing? Oof.

[normal osprey]

They should just do the bracket by ship availability.

[fathom jacinth]

Question for the masses... I see there is a resource multiplier for resources raided in territory..... But there's no listed points for how much you get for resources... Do we get points for raiding? If so, how much? And what is the multiplier by? Zero? Lol

[fathom jacinth]

I refuse to move into g5 until they "fix" the brackets. I refuse to never win again.

[grizzled mulch]

Anyone pushing into G5 should be aware that it’s still heavily oriented toward spending. It can be quite fun (I’m enjoying it quite a bit) aside from the lopsided SLB’s, though. If you’re not willing to spend, however, G4 is likely to be more fun than G5. Still, as much as I detest the SLB brackets, I thoroughly enjoy my Sanctus, Crozier, T11 Cube, Max Tali, Nova, Beatty, Vrax, all the research, the superhighways, etc, etc, etc. But sure, G4 is fun too.

[warped ginkgo]

Understandably 👍 only reason I would go there is because we don't have g6 yet and just got g5 like a week ago or 2 idk

[sage mango]

Ya...but I also didn't want to be with the masses when the flood gates eventually opened. G5 is fine...you won't win, but often score some shards. Def want to get ahead of the pack...or you'll drown with them.

<@&509690795536941056> Question. Do folks on an incursion bye still get to use incursion exos?

[dusty solar]

byes get nothing

[fathom jacinth]

I get that on principle, but I'm already at the top end of ops 50 for my server so I'm not overly concerned. I more or less plan to make a single push all the way to 53 and build the ships, same day or within a week type thing.

[fiery compass]

"resources raided" there refers to the above listed items (iso, raw materials, and latinum), not the normal par/dil/trit

[wheat wren]

Morning everyone ,
BP points not counted.
Have some others also that?

[dreamy patio]

#⭐-official-announcements message

[fathom jacinth]

Ahh, the fact that those are never referred to as resources anywhere else in the game, threw me off. #JustScopelyThings

[sinful sluice]

@supple token by when are we gonna get the bp overflow pts sorted

had finished the event before the restart..

also still waiting on the comp for this..

#⭐-official-announcements message

[supple token]

No news yet but I'll @ you when the point and ft comps are ready!

[sinful sluice]

what about the other comp chest for the linked message

[supple token]

I'll also ping you when they are posted

[fleet blade]

@supple token is there any way to get my sigma tritanium generators back to groundlevel on the pc client?

[dreamy patio]

have you tried repairing or reinstalling?

[fleet blade]

Yes and yes

[supple token]

When did this happen?

[fleet blade]

Going from 60 to 61 on the generators I think it was. On iOS it's fine.

[supple token]

dm sent

[coral niche]

Same happens when you upgrade the Facade on Ios. The building is invisible.

[normal oar]

Overflow flash pass still not scoring correctly

[karmic pagoda]

when will the battlepass comp be out? mine is still wrong. o.o

[vale rover]

Borg megacube systems are empty again - how about adjusting the respawn timers for the event?

[ornate geyser]

You can’t get ahead of the pack in G5 without spending. Everybody slams into the same rare mats wall, and everybody will be at that wall at the same time because it takes forever to clear it, without spending. There’s really no downside at all to waiting at the top of 49…it’s not like anything new/interesting opens up.

[desert laurel]

If you waited at 49/50 since G6 opened up, then you'd be almost 9m behind those who pushed through. Not sure what you're waiting for, but if the game's the same either way, then why not collect useful stuff that you can use for the G5 part of your career?

[manic lion]

Skip the whole event as there's little of worth for the amount of effort needed for it 🤷🏼‍♂️

[vale rover]

points for the SLB and ALB 😉

[hazy stag]

Why is the borg solo armada sms scoring so weird? The unc armadas give more points for same level than rare or epic?

[proud wing]

The 41, 42 and 43 are 1000, 2000 and 3000 pts, definitely looks like they’re increasing from uncommon, rare and epic to me

[somber crown]

PVP damage against bases doesn't appear to score correctly, and against players (126mil hull damage would expect 1.26bil points) don't score either.

[lilac gate]

Wait .. did I just read it as “career” 🤔🤣🤣?

[desert laurel]

What armada did you start and didn't receive pts for?

[dreamy patio]

only rare and epic regular directives score, along with rare xindi

cardys, fkr, pirate armadas only

[normal osprey]

Uhm no. Not for the Armada hunt. FKR only. Or Xindi.

[paper venture]

Oh I just noticed I click on a regular…..doh.

[dreamy patio]

yes they do

scavenger (the ones in territory), doomsday, swarm, eclipse, and solos and formadas are the ones that don't score

[desert laurel]

Rare xindi... Yes, I'll get right on that one. 😃

[normal osprey]

Is it stupid event wording again

[dreamy patio]

got a set from the bp, lol

[desert laurel]

Oh, thought I forgot to claim last month's stuff. 😅

[normal osprey]

Is the event just worded in the most stupid way possible?
It says FKR directives, most would interpret that as FKR armadas.

[dreamy patio]

It has the specific exceptions listed

[normal osprey]

Yeah but the score cue is worded poorly. If you look how to score it says spend FKR directives. Which again most would interpret as FKR armadas are the only thing that will score.

[warped ginkgo]

You use fkr directives to launch all the ones that count. It's the directives itself that they call fkr but it's just regular directives

[normal osprey]

Yeah I just don't get why they'd put "FKR directives" rather than "regular armada directives" considering they've listed the "special armadas that don't count".

Putting FKR directives gives the implication that it's only FKR armadas.

[warped ginkgo]

Because then there would be even more people asking "what's regular armada directives?" Like clockwork, most people understand the wording by now so changing it now would just cause more confusion imo

One of those "too far gone" things

[normal osprey]

They used to put it as regular directives. They've changed it sometime in the past 18 months or so.

[desert laurel]

And we'd get a different kind of confusion as detailed above.

[normal osprey]

If it wasn't broke don't fix it.....

[warped ginkgo]

That's probably their exact sentiment on the current wording now 😅

[normal osprey]

The current wording is stupid though. It was better before. They didn't need to change it. More scopely....hey look we did a thing please be happy with us....here's a bunch of packs to go with the new wording on an event that no one asked us to change.

[haughty wharf]

someone explain why I didnt get points

[dreamy patio]

rare only

[wind fog]

Click on the Xindi box

[haughty wharf]

does not say rare only does it?

[haughty wharf]

so if you dont click on that button you waste directive...

sticking the term R or Rare somewhere in the text would be nice

no one on 102 can do UNC never mind a RARE

[wind fog]

It says R directive, that means rare

[wide sonnet]

Some people need to start reading more and complaining less lol

[dreamy patio]

https://tenor.com/view/words-are-hard-big-bang-gif-7470253

[covert frigate]

Isn't there usually a spend event during the mini arc?

[ornate geyser]

Descriptions need to be written better. There’s no reason it can’t say “Rare” in the description.

Responsibility for communication primarily rests with the person trying to say something.

[ornate geyser]

Should not be necessary.

[wind fog]

Unfortunately we have to do that for almost every event

[naive meteor]

That's the scene where a sheet of paper lodge's on his neck.. 🤣

[small bay]

When will the new ARC be released? next Tuesday or the 9th?

[narrow walrus]

Any word on officer sourcing SMS/so this weekend?

[wind fog]

FH ends 7/7 so new arc after that

[willow topaz]

Where can I find details on exactly how incursions everts are scored

[serene helm]

In the event field when it’s live

[abstract gate]

All I get is retrieving ...

[gusty sandal]

What mining events do you have planned since we’re not doing bogus refineries during inclusions?

[drifting bridge]

Lost/hirogen BP event every time an incursion is running. Clearly not a coincidence. Pure spite from devs

[minor isle]

Like it really takes that long to finish and there aren't a dozen ways to finish without having someone sneak up and hit you

And also you get an hour after the incursion ends to do it if you're really that worried

[native jasper]

There is also a difference between a developer and a designer. The latter is responsible for deciding what is and isn't in-game.

[drifting bridge]

No at ops 49 there isn’t a quick way to finish

[minor isle]

I'm ops 49 and it takes maybe 20 ships to finish

[drifting bridge]

I actually have a job and this is a mobile game

[minor isle]

Man sounds like you just want to complain.

[drifting bridge]

Good for you, should I organise your parade for this evening or next week. My point is they could run an event that doesn’t involve specific systems but they choose not to due to pure malice

[naive meteor]

Stfc is sadly a full time job

[drifting bridge]

It’s on my CV

[minor isle]

Ok captain snarkypants

[drifting bridge]

Yeah to be fair my bad, not an arc runner in the ‘off weeks’ probably the same bloke each time

[drifting bridge]

My new player ID confirmed

[shy surge]

<@&509690795536941056> Why does the Vidar Talios still not score in the All Out Attack/Defense events? Borg cube was added. People love to pvp with their Tally's 🤷‍♂️

[supple token]

good point, I'll raise this to game design

[stable talon]

At lvl 52 u really get screwed over kill or lose to a bunch of g5 ships u cant even build yet lol

[fiery compass]

at 52 i can still get points off of a the 42U's and up; I'm not sure why you think it has to be G5's (though I'll admit the points for killing a G6E are amusing and optimistic).

[stable talon]

Its the bracket as a whole not very often u get chance to hit same lvl u get rushed by g5 ships to the point its not worth crewing for pvp the other part is getting killed by own server with the visual bugs that still aint been fixed but at least we always got something to moan about lol

[twin olive]

hi! i have stuck on last millestone in pvp event..not matter which ship i send i don't get score...anyone had same issue?

[fiery compass]

are you on the server specified by your event?

[twin olive]

yes. i'm on 'their' server😁

win or loss in x5-tkv system,there is no point🤔

[main spindle]

Try using a ship on the list of ships for the open system if ur not using the proper ship u won't score points

[random bough]

Lag very bad on 57. Taking me 30 seconds just to view a system

[sturdy perch]

I smell a compensation chest

[finite leaf]

OK, good . . . I'm not the only one who can't play due to ther overwhelming lag going on.

Can't attack, can't shield, can't view systems. 40 second delays everywhere or just complete failures. Impossible to PvP this way.

[finite leaf]

I'm having the same problem. Just killed 4 of the required ships and couldn't finish the event.

[sturdy perch]

https://tenor.com/view/we-should-be-getting-compensated-eric-cartman-south-park-s13e5-fish-sticks-gif-23033564

[split crescent]

Raise why multiple bases are unattackable on opponent server. Dude was exposed by 20 trillion and did not move for 2 hours out of territory, but no one could attack

[random bough]

Prolly that special "scopley" shield. We've found bases on servers in higher than 19 systems still shielded. Reported it and all I got was a sorry 😞

[ornate geyser]

There’s no malice involved.

It’s strictly a money decision.

[molten glade]

woudl be nice if that would happen on our server...lol

[charred dagger]

Hello, every 30 seconds i get this notification, how can i get rid of it please?

Both pc and mobile doing the same

[slim marsh]

I don't suppose there's a spend event today is there?

[storm flame]

Nope

[sharp raft]

Scopely, I have yet to encounter any players that actually like these XSLB spend events

[indigo heron]

Flash Pass event missing

[rare kernel]

FP missing here also

[gentle cobalt]

😂

[velvet phoenix]

Quality yay

[stable crow]

it's a hostile hunt for ops25, nothing for ops49

[drifting silo]

Missing on server 32

Battle pass event

2 more days!!!!!

[velvet phoenix]

They live up to the state of game vid
Everything is run perfect

[abstract gate]

No battlepass event on server 115 🙄

[mystic junco]

Same as 153

[late delta]

where and how can finish the overflow?

[ornate geyser]

No BP event…

[sharp raft]

Funny how the spend events start with no issues...

[velvet phoenix]

They get tested

[sinful sluice]

by the way... no station pack either..

[pale steppe]

No Battle Pass (is there an echo in here?)

[rare verge]

Hey Scopely I can’t access the store? (Bet they heard that) 🤣🤣🤣

[exotic glade]

Scopely support staff are on holiday, please direct your messages to the Trash can where they may be viewed by the cleaners

[brave scarab]

Typical Scopely nonsense today, I see.

[sinful sluice]

i want to buy the station pack need the parsteel...

[golden stag]

Please hear me, scopely overlords: I don’t mind competing in SLB and I would LOVE to have a chance. But I will not bother to compete or even CONSIDER spending when your XSLB pits me (ranked in the 15000’s in the game) against ops 66+ players (the leader of XSLB is currently ranked #300 on stfc.wtf).

Until you fix the game to make it more fair; you are alienating me and a large chunk of my cohort in the game.

That’s lost revenue for you.

[naive meteor]

I've seen it and finished it..

[abstract gate]

i try to restart the game

[abstract gate]

now it's online 👍

[naive meteor]

🤘👍

[celest relic]

Is this new? I remember in the 30s I was using Borg rare/epics for points in auctions

[wind fog]

Different borg armadas. The solos should count.

[echo pier]

I think it means fhe one that only cost one to start are excluded

[proud wing]

It does, the old easy borg group armadas

[midnight bloom]

so no bp event then for today?? Okay

[proud wing]

It should be there now

If not, restart/clear localisations

[spring estuary]

No Galactic Clean Up event store on s10

[forest rapids]

Whenever there is an incursion during a flash pass or battle pass. That pass should have extra points score wise, or lower overflow points.

[nocturne cave]

sure the g6 players love em. oh wait thats the vip group scopely caters most of their content too

[woeful nova]

Aw dorn

[green forum]

Why would they run the cow event during incursion? How are smaller alliances supposed to complete it after losing 24hrs. Such bs

[empty ridge]

you have an hour when incursion ends before event reset, and cow only takes like 6 hostiles for me

[proud wing]

Largely because completion isn’t expected for everyone.

[jolly sun]

Literally can go anywhere these days, super hard for a player or group to continually scout or NX01 the entire game map

[green forum]

that’s unfair loosing 24hrs is huge when your in a smaller alliance my alliance is always in top 25 in all alliance related events and we are small 26 members at the moment I don’t know about your server but s16 is littered with super alliances meaning recruitment is a joke because the bigger alliances have all the active players on their rosters and then there’s the rogues who bring drama with them so it’s a damned if you do or don’t situation when it comes to recruiting active players

[plush chasm]

Does anyone know how often faction rep packs are released?

[pearl bluff]

Is there an event that is specific to hunting Actian hostiles for those that can farm them?

[dreamy patio]

not in a long time

[tough scaffold]

Absolutely ridiculous amount of Trellium for little to no rewards

[manic lion]

You chose to push the refinery research to that level where it clearly told you the amounts you'll need before doing them. There's plenty of rough and rubbish content in the game but that isn't one of them. Me personally I haven't engaged in the mu at all yet as I'm waiting on it to be improved over the next couple of months rather then struggle with it all now.

[grizzled mulch]

Has Hostile Hunt not been updated for G5 & G6?

[ornate geyser]

2500 points short on overflow…?

EDIT: Nope. Just more lag.

[dreamy patio]

eco is looking into it

[silver solstice]

You aren't spending so your complaints are irrelevant. You haven't figured that out yet?

[golden stag]

True. But I have a spending history and trend line going down instead of up…. I hope the overlords see that.

[fair moat]

The hostile hunt SMS event (not the battle pass) is not scoring armadas correctly. It is scoring but not the right amount of points.

[dreamy patio]

because it's only scoring them as hostiles, hostiles go up to 60 on it, armadas go up to 51

which is funny that the BP sms has the proper scoring

[twilit kestrel]

Any idea what's happening with Faction Hunt and Bonus Refinery 🤔

[dreamy patio]

faction hunt isn't until the 5th

[twilit kestrel]

So stupid 💩 event's all week for scopely to make £££ until maintenance following Tuesday.

[wind fog]

We get a 2-week break before next arc. Sadly we won’t see an uptick in quality. I’m still baffled why they can’t clear out all the stuck hostiles.

[tough scaffold]

I didn't expect, or was never told, that the requirements would massively increase with little to no reward.

[manic lion]

It shows you in it and what it will go to, it's about the only useful thing they did last arc

[dapper lagoon]

With the lag on retrieving said description though it was a surprise for me too...
I pressed confirm and then saw what it meant.
But as i always do level by level and then check i could stop at a level i can manage

[lilac musk]

Scopely and working tooltips is a new thing

[ancient cipher]

<@&509690795536941056> I’ve heard that you’ll be kicking off s Summer Games Event today, and that one event will be a server-wide pvp event during the mining event. Is this true?

Also, is there a schedule for this event?

[supple token]

This is what we got from our buddy Eco #🌌-galaxy-chat message

[naive meteor]

It would have been better if was connected to the world cup..🤔❔

[ancient cipher]

Thank you.

[serene helm]

Then we’d have to wait until 2026

[wind fog]

Olympics in a few weeks

[serene helm]

Hence why I think it’s called summer games

[abstract gate]

Are today’s events ops locked? I don’t seem to have any.

[desert laurel]

I'd try clearing localization and rebooting. What level are you?

[blazing furnace]

I don't see anywhere that this event will effect your precious mining, since surveys don't count

[inner cave]

One stupid silly spend event that won’t be touched (300k g4 at lvl 49)

[pearl bluff]

the summer games events are interesting to say the least but the marathon event is going to drive me bonkers, i dont have enough uncommon 3-star materials to advance my ships high enough that i need to start using the rare materials to help nor can i start using 4-star materials as well

[abstract gate]

Thanks for the response, I’ve tried the usual workarounds. Still no joy. At Ops 12 currently.

[desert laurel]

I doubt the event reaches down that low. Some of the rewards are for 40+ content, and an epic officer often starts at ops 20.

[inner cave]

Same at g4 area

[abstract gate]

Oh well, nice quiet couple of days. Seems like just another event to encourage spending and levelling up so more new stuff can get released to the higher players. Thanks for getting back to me.

[inner cave]

3/4 spend events in less than a week is a bit silly

[leaden plume]

I’ll be in the garden…toodles

[dreamy patio]

It is silly. Happened before, same general consensus of how it was bad, still continues to happen.

[warm latch]

I hope the marathon speaks event is a joke/mistake

20mil points to complete the Event

[urban ginkgo]

That happen if the manager only sees 🤑🤑

[desert laurel]

What level are you?

[warm latch]

45

[proud wing]

The original guy died trying, so in that spirit 😉

[quartz wren]

Glad the Marathon (Kobiyashi) event counts for the Meta event, since it only requires you to complete the first 9 MILESTONES to earn that 1 extra point. A heroic officer recruit SMS would take the same as the 8th milestone to finish, so tack on another 15% to go from milestone 8 to 9. Not at all a viable alternative for anyone except the whaliest of whales.

[pearl bluff]

managed to finish the summer games (bronze) events, will wait for the silver and gold events to see if i can clear the meta event with those. fingers crossed and rubbing a lucky charm as well

[lunar badge]

22K 4* rare just to get to first level of the spend event? Are you #$#$%$ kidding me?

[spice cape]

Really??? Now that you've just spent all of your mats for a spend event here have another one. I mean we can only refine so much. There is no way we can do another spend event on top of the one we just had and get good rewards. Do you guys even look at the events you give out?

[sharp raft]

Lol "expect a Kobayashi Maru" - acknowledging that it's nigh impossible to win?

[tranquil yacht]

where do I get 500k G4 uc? and wtf do I spend it on?🤣
Maybe we should send them a slide rule?

[sharp raft]

Cheaper to buy a Syndicate pack than what you'd spend in materials

[desert laurel]

G5s might have that, and a Tribune. 😃

[tranquil yacht]

if they give me a tribune, I'll spend some G4 on it 🤣

[leaden plume]

It’s just a way for the devs to show distain for their captive audience. American politics seems to be following the same methodology. Psst…it’s not working😂 but what does when it comes to stfc?

[inner cave]

300k at 49

[tranquil yacht]

that's not fair, I'm only a 43 😅

[sharp raft]

STFC is like the movie WarGames... the only way to win is not to play

[inner cave]

Oops looked at the rare not uc

[tranquil yacht]

Events are getting to be more of a joke every day
at least we can have a laugh at them

[inner cave]

So 526k uc

[tranquil yacht]

so they've given all levels the same spend targets? 🤣

[desert laurel]

No, mine is 46m at 59.

[leaden plume]

I remember when they used to try and make holidays fun, and gave out decent bling. What a sad state the game has devolved into.

[grim crater]

Ludicrous. Spent 1000 g3 uncommon and only 20% towards the first tier😂. (Summer games marathon -sms)

[tranquil yacht]

I might as well go back to watching the football 🤣

[devout veldt]

folks , the joke is on them 😎 ... dont pay them squat 🔥

[tranquil yacht]

pints are way more enjoyable 🍻

[dreamy robin]

Marathon event is insane. I would have to drop over 400k in G5 uncommon mats to finish it. I could take my station to and through 53 to 54 and still not have enough stuff to spend mats on. It's beyond absurd. You make prime efficiency packs for us to buy and then essentially punish us for buying them. Your business model is screwy to say the least.

[ornate geyser]

The business model works. They make a lot of money.

[sharp raft]

They must. Looking at the amount of points folks were willing to score on the XSLB, easily about 7 heroic SMS worth, there are plenty of whales that don't care about value for their dollar.

[random bough]

Nope, I'll wait for another officer recruit event with an attached sms.
While syn xp would be nice, not throwing the mats I saved NOT spending on the xslbs away for syndicate. Ultra hard pass

[smoky cosmos]

Another peep of scamely with this stupid event

[waxen gyro]

If it had been been “a lot” things would not have changed as much as they have.

[jaunty marlin]

Same amount of points at 46. It's a complete joke. When they adjusted the scoring for materials downward, they also moved the tiers to achieve upwards. Completely stupid and doesn't respect the player's time or efforts at all.

Heck, I don't even think I could spend my way into finishing the SMS.

[rigid shore]

Everyone is laser focused on the Marathon, and for good reason. But I'm wondering if its even worth pursuing the 'physical fitness test' gain power event.
I will already need to burn speedups for Bronze, then tomorrow and the next will have even higher milestones all for... 9 days of Forbidden Tech refinery yields and 13 Rare Officer shards.

[teal iris]

Not in my book. I'll just hunt FKR for some syndicate rep and call it good.

[open karma]

Hard pass

[rigid shore]

Yeah Hard Pass. Just for Bronze I would need to rush build half the structures in my station or 15-20 research projects and THEN its gonna get hard tomorrow and the next day

[cobalt dew]

just 20M ? ... as an l59 I'd have to sped some 77k of 5* epic mats..... unacceptable

[velvet geyser]

At lvl 39 I need 1.75M for the marathon, unfortunately it's busted. Used G4 mats on ship upgrade and no points, am I missing something?

[cosmic gust]

This is 43, that's 519,000 Uncommon Mats, how are these numbers determined?

If I spent 519,000 I think I'd go from 43 to 49 today.
Even in the weekly SMSes not a single person finishes them, and this is 4x higher

[versed osprey]

its like an ultra heroic

and you are not meant to complete it, at least not without money

[sage mango]

Players complaining about the Kobayashi event... um please google the term...

[cosmic gust]

I get that it's not completable without money like most of the Weekly ones if I wanted to complete it, it's be about $300, which I never do, but I can usually do the 1st milestone.
Completing this one, that's bout $800 to $1000 worth of spending.

It doesn't seem like that's true for 5* and 6*,

[desert laurel]

It's the same structure as those heroic officer SMS events that pair with auctions on the weekend. They just doubled the pts required to finish the top MS. In your example, if it takes 300 to finish the heroic, then this should be 600.

[lapis cobalt]

The event rewards are not good, not worth the bother. For a special event I’d expect better.

[sage mango]

syndicate rep is amazing and grows rewards with account... hugh shards for lower level folks are amazing, galactic rewards have solid officers... mirror shards, ok if your under 40 I could see you wouldn't want, but they're solid

[cosmic gust]

Yeah, I see that, it's just very out of whack at lower levels. Because our Materials are worth so much less. like the goal for a lvl 43 is 20.8million, the goal for a lvl 50 is 21.1 million, but they can spend Rares and stuff. I know in the last 4 months not a single person on my server finished the Heroic SMSes at 42-43, and now they double it for an event. Like who is this possible for?

And i know you are supposed to buy things, but again, like a mid 43 would need to spend about $1000 but someone at 63 could do it for 200-300. It just doesn't line up

[wind fog]

They clearly don’t understand the concept of holiday events.

[cosmic gust]

Months ago when they cut the value from 100pts to 40pts they also reduced the milestones, but every month since they've increased them more

June:

May:

[desert laurel]

All of the heroic SMS scale the same, converting 2x standard packs into pts should yield roughly the pts to finish it.

[jolly sun]

Pack inflation, problem is if your not buying them

[cosmic gust]

April:

[cosmic gust]

But it doesn't.

[desert laurel]

The events have increased in pts required to finish, but so have the packs.

[cosmic gust]

No they haven't

MArch:

[desert laurel]

Do the conversion on the buildings pack for your level and let me know what it adds up to.

[sage mango]

Logic suggests that if you're complaining about the milestones. You do want the end result, just mad you can't complete it. To which I'd say this reward/event isn't for the player who is just scrapping by. It's for the 39 or 49 account who's been camped and sitting on a hoard of resources.

[cosmic gust]

A Pack gives 66.9k Uncommon 4* and the event takes 519k, so 8 packs

[desert laurel]

All of the mats have to be converted, not just uc.

[jolly sun]

Epic wasn’t counted I thought ?

[cosmic gust]

Can't spend the Rare or Epic at lvl 43, that's the point. It's not possbile to do at the level it's assigned

[desert laurel]

If it requires you to level in order to spend it, that's not an insurmountable barrier.

[cosmic gust]

It is if it costs more UC than the milesstones to get to the Rares, which it does

So it's still 8 packs

[toxic minnow]

Don't even trying talkign to that guy, he defends everytihng because that's his job

[jolly sun]

I’d still like to hear their reasons for ruddy Hugh, otherwise I don’t mind the option to dump on it

[desert laurel]

It's not my job, I'm explaining the event design for you. When you have the understanding of it, then you can engage with the event as intended.

[cosmic gust]

Yeah, i know, it just used to feel in balance, like before they cut the value of the materials, you could generally do 2-3 levels, not finish but you could do a bit.

[jolly sun]

Get on Spocks club and see what options you got

[sage mango]

why the Hugh shards? Give lower level folks a chance at an S-tier level officer that's great for PVE hostile stuff and will grow with your account.

[toxic minnow]

You only ever defend everything, it's not "event design" it's them being lazy. It's calibrated right for high levels, it does suck for low levels, I assume they just don't care

[jolly sun]

They can do Borg solos

[sage mango]

lower level folks below 40 can't...

it's for the unlock... or perhaps a level up

[desert laurel]

Weird take. The intention is that 2x packs is the cost of the event, across the board so that everyone's dollar is the same whether you're G4 or G5.

[cosmic gust]

Well, yeah that's what I did. It's that situation, i'd need like over a million UC to get to a point where I could spend the Rare I have, so I would guess it works ok at like 47-49 ,but when 41, 42, 43 have the same milestones, it's not possible

[jolly sun]

Are below ops 40 getting premium dust, wasn’t it ops 40+.. I’ve no clue at 59?

[toxic minnow]

That could be your 'intention' but it's pretty clear that's not true. It is true at 60+ there's no universe in which thats true for a lvl 38 or 42 or whatever

[sage mango]

correct, hence the nudge to press forward. It'll convince you or it won't... honestly, they're not trying to convince you.. they want the 39 or 49 to bump up

[desert laurel]

It is not my intention, I'm not scopely.

[toxic minnow]

You would never contradict them though or ever say they'd done anything wrong, you only shill

You're the mod

[desert laurel]

You haven't been around much.

[toxic minnow]

I've been on this server like a year maybe, never seen you say anything aside from that they defecate pure gold

[sage mango]

oh, you've def missed out on some of the more "fun" arcs than

[desert laurel]

I explain it so that you can have a solid foundation for your arguments. If your premises are poor, then your argument is weak.

[sage mango]

candle def has pressed for change on things

[toxic minnow]

It's just based on a bad premise that you can take all the materials, add them up and that's the points, because you do get locked where you can't spend them, and they're restricted by other things like your parts, rss etc...

If there was a thing where you could just trade mats for points, it might be true

[desert laurel]

And yet, that's what the intention is.

[toxic minnow]

But it's a bad intention I guess is the point

It's a misunderstanding of how material spending can work

[sage mango]

If you're on an account that spends all you get, this event series isn't aimed at you. Though you'll still make out on some decent stuff. It's designed for an account to offload massive mats. High level 40 and 50s that can pull thousands of uncommon daily from bajor and ex-borg faction stores alone..

[desert laurel]

If you want to see me critical of content, check out my position on the cube.
#🏆-event-chat message
The cube's undergone some range buff since then, but that merely extends when the cube starts to become viable down to G4. It's still a garbo loop.

[dreamy patio]

Low hanging fruit, go after some meat and potatoes! 😂

[cosmic gust]

But there's brackets for every level, so how come there's an event for a lvl 40 that isn't designed for them? Especially when it's the officers, it can't be that new officers are only 'meant for' lvl 50+ players

[desert laurel]

My feedback channels aren't here, I have my own. I'm more interested in seeing your feedback here. I only offered my opinion on the cube then because someone directly asked me.

[toxic minnow]

Yeah, that's appreciated then, the cube in particular felt very scammy

[sage mango]

Ya, though for higher level accounts it's their main ship

[toxic minnow]

I just think they get al ittle lazy in cut and pasting events, like they just say here's the lvl 50 score, now add 5% for 51, add 5% for 52 etc...

Yeah, it's the ship they sold to lvl 28s without telling them it gets good at like...66 🙂

[dreamy patio]

OH, speaking of cube, thought i had to get my dd to 6 for the next part, but only tier 4, yay

[toxic minnow]

I think what in particular hurts the lvl 40 people is that Epics are worth so much more, but its very unlikely someone could ever spend their Epics

[dreamy patio]

yeah epics need a better outlet

sitting on half a bill of each g4 epic with no use

[cosmic gust]

I've actually never seen anything that uses it except for 1 prime, and it only took like 60 of them

[dreamy patio]

Ships use it

but not enough to make it noticeable.

g5 epic on the other hand, can be a pain

[proud wing]

I managed to spend some g4 epic last month, but just enough to go up a milestone

And by some, i mean it was about 2k on 1 valdore part

[dreamy patio]

haha

[toxic minnow]

The other thing that's true in these events is that as a 6-star player, I get most of my points spending 5-star materials. As a 5-star i got most by spending 4*... but if you're 4-star you can't get barely anything spending 3-star

[proud wing]

I haven’t seen anything needing 3* in a while, except when i built a D4 the month before

[toxic minnow]

So yea I think if someone's like 30 to probably 36 and 40 to probably 46, I can't see it'd ever be possible to do that in 2 packs, I'd be impressed if someone did it with 6

but I think I might finish at lvl 63 with 1

because I can just dump a few hundred thousands 5-star mats into old ships

[desert laurel]

Convert the buildings pack into pts at your level. I'd be interested in seeing if it is overvalued.

[toxic minnow]

I'm doing that right now, the building pack for me if you could spend all resources would be 36,611,200 points.

I actually just went from Ops 62 to 63 today, so yeah in theory that's 2 packs.. but that assumes you'd somehow be able to spend it all on something, it's only about 21 million of 6* stuff, anything below that doesn't really matter

so I'd say realistically 3 packs

assuming you've got RSS to let you spend the materials

[winged blaze]

It’s lame for most people because they spent lump sums of mats during the arcs

I’m 58 on the cusp of 59 and 46mil is unattainable and I’ve been planning and saving for most of the last months spend events

I could pop ops59 right now and I’d only get 3.5 mil points. That’s wild man

[molten glade]

3 says of the same events over and over is what makes ppl just say.. forget it. not worth the time and the rewards are not even good

[winged blaze]

Since the mirror universe dropped, they massively changed the metrics of the heroic events. If this is supposed to be heroic, it’s more like spend only

[desert laurel]

They've been increasing heroic costs for months now. They used to be much lower last year.

It's not a MU thing.

[cosmic gust]

for the building pack I'm getting 3,795,000 points, and 4,166,600 if I include the 3*

[winged blaze]

It was announced with the inception of the mirror universe… they even stopped calling them heroic so…

[desert laurel]

#🏆-event-chat message
Here's the cost for March, and more available if you keep scrolling up.

[cosmic gust]

and that's milestones of 21 million, so 5 to 6 packs assuming you could spend everything in it

[dreamy patio]

The quantums are because apparently the heroics weren't heroic enough, so now they're truly heroic.

[molten glade]

give us something to work towards.. like mats, they want us to upgrade stuff, but they didnt give us the extra refinery this time and no other way to get them .. thanks a lot for nothing

already have him... and troi.. givd me something i dont have

[random bough]

@desert laurel So they scale it to money, not what the player earns. Great to know, and complete 🐎 💩 imho

[desert laurel]

What players earn has also been increasing.

[dreamy patio]

But not at the pace of the increases in required spending

[toxic minnow]

I'm less thinking this event is as bad 'cause it's clearly an 'extra' thing. But I just know when I was a lower level player I never had any issue getting the new officers doing just battlepasses and maybe a pack a month, Like Tier 1 of a new officer was a F2P or $20 thing, now I feel Tier 1 is a $400 thing for those low level people, but oddly a $100 thing for me

What players earn hasn't doubled in 5 months I don't think, but also it gets to they cut the value of 3 star things by 80% and only cut 5-star by 10%, so it just comes out uneven

[desert laurel]

If you've been watching for awhile, you'd see that there's a realignment taking place over a very long period of time. And some hoarding strategies have been destroyed in the process. It used to be possible to hoard tons of useless G3 mats and finish spend events for G4+ players, but the rescaling changed that.

[toxic minnow]

Yeah, it changed that by simply nuking the G3 players

They just said ok, if you're under like 47, you're not allowed to complete the SMSes, instead of making it so that value decreased if you out-leveled the material

[winged blaze]

It'd be fine if they just bumped those players up for free

Or gave them away to speed past their respective barriers

[toxic minnow]

so as a 6-star me using 5-star mats is only mildly nerfed, it went from 100pts to 90pts

[winged blaze]

Also, the refinery has never been good. Not even the special refine events. Even with all the primes.

[sage mango]

I'm just saying in my case, who only does the SMS.. and sitting on extra g3 and g4 mats. I LOVE the ability to offload the excess and if I get some syndicate rep and few shards along the way; EVEN BETTER.

[winged blaze]

Triple pulls giving 25 uncommon and rare

[toxic minnow]

But what level are you?

[sage mango]

ops 55

[desert laurel]

G3 players should have achievable MSs, as mentioned before, the heroic should be ~2x packs.

[toxic minnow]

You keep saying that, it's simply not true is the problem, the math doesn't math

[winged blaze]

Yeah, idk why you keep saying it's cool to buy only 2 packs to win

It's not cool

[desert laurel]

The claim shouldn't be made before the data is presented. I'd like to see what a building pack converted into pts looks like.

[molten glade]

waste of money to spend on packs to finish an event that does not give out rewards worthy of spending it

[sage mango]

It's def not a spend event.. though those can as it is an offload your usless mats event and get something semi valuable in trade

[toxic minnow]

She just said, it was 4.1 million if you counted all 4* and 3* stuff, 3.7million if you counted all 4*

[desert laurel]

Because that's the intention of the realignment. Instead of easy completions for G3 players back in the day, it's now supposed to be the same pack vs pack across the board.

[desert laurel]

She's not G3.

[molten glade]

not worth the time or mats

espeically 3 days of the same thing

[desert laurel]

Right now, it looks like G6 players might have overvaluation in their packs.

[sage mango]

to which it's not the perfect event for everyone.. def seems more of an event to shake loose some g3 and g4 campers tho

[winged blaze]

@desert laurel My station pack only nets me 5,070,600 points from rare and uncommon grade 5 mats

[desert laurel]

All of the mats have to be converted, not just the ones from your grade.

[molten glade]

yea... with them not giving out the extra refinery so i could not go to 50 i am still camping at 49

[winged blaze]

That’s more than 9 packs

[cosmic gust]

so that's 18,660 * 60 + 66,900 * 40 if you could spend every single bit of that, 3,795,600 points, so for the normal SMS you'd need 3, but also at low 40s you simply cannot spend the rare I think it the biggest issue

[toxic minnow]

But that's the problem in the 'intention' you CANT convert all the mats. Like, how could you?

[winged blaze]

You’re assuming I can spend them all on something. Can’t unless im buying parts packs etc

[desert laurel]

That's a shared problem across all grades. That's not in question.

[winged blaze]

So not only do I need to but station packs (2 is acceptable to you) I need to buy parts packs too

Great

[desert laurel]

The data is not clear if one person is only converting uc, and another is converting everything simply because they are at different places with regards to their ships.

[winged blaze]

So its closer to what I said before, probably 9 packs

[desert laurel]

We need to be using the same standard of measurement: all mats converted to pts, even if you are ops locked or lack a ship to use them.

[toxic minnow]

No, that's not true. As a 6* I can spend a lot of 5* because I can dump it in ships and stuff and I still get 5* ship parts and I can scrap for rares etc... so the majority of my poiints do comes from 5* mats. But if you're 4* that's not true you can't spend the 3* star stuff

[winged blaze]

So you are saying it’s my fault I stopped refining g3 and g4 ship parts? Because that’s the limiting factor

[toxic minnow]

To use the same standard then it must be equally possible to spend those materials, it's not.

[desert laurel]

Why can't G3 mats be spent to exhaustion? Those ships use lat-able parts.

[toxic minnow]

This is my main point, it's just lazy thinking to treat it all as equal without factoring it how the game functions at different levels.

[winged blaze]

I built an enterprise and maxed it with g3 stuff and latinum. Got me 400k points

So I should just do that 100 times?

[toxic minnow]

Describe how they could be

[desert laurel]

Did they give you 100 ships worth of mats in the pack?

[winged blaze]

No, I have them stocked up because I moved past the usefulness of building and scrapping those ships

Milestones still pay g3 mats

Just like 100% of other players that advance in the game

[cosmic gust]

the 3* materials in a 4* pack are less than 10% of its value if converted to points. So that's not super relevant

[desert laurel]

This is in regards to your statement here. It's your contention that G6 players can exhaust all of their G5 mats with ease, but the G4 player cannot exhaust the G3 mats. I think that's a reach.

If anything, the G4 players should have an easier time.

[winged blaze]

But you have a person telling you, they can’t. And you’re just brushing that aside

And a g5 and g6 players telling you why it’s flawed and brushing that aside

[toxic minnow]

You're really just ignoring how the game really works for how you think in your mind it ought to work.

Yes, I could right this moment max out 6-7 G5 Ships. I CANNOT max out any G4 Ships because G4 Rare parts are more rare than G5 Rare Parts

[desert laurel]

You're telling me that as you keep buying more and more packs, you feel that the G5 mat buildup won't result in a stockpile of extra, unusable mats? G5 ship parts are way harder to get than G3 ones.

[toxic minnow]

But easier than G4

And I also think as a G6 player, I just get free ships constantly. I don't think a G4 player gets free G3 ships very often.

[desert laurel]

I disagree on that. It's much easier it is for a G4 to use up G3 mats because all the parts can be straight purchased with lat.

[toxic minnow]

It's just a very top heavy thing and a lot of it works on the scrap cycle

[toxic minnow]

You're just wrong

How did the get the blueprints?

[desert laurel]

G4 players get bps from faction credits, and they scrap 26s by the dozens. Exhausing all the G3 mats in that process is trivial.

[toxic minnow]

You're just wrong

Like wrong to the point im questioning if you're literally ever played this game

And She also just told you only 10% of the points come from the g3 stuff, so that's not every the problem

[desert laurel]

I played G4 that way. Anyone who doesn't is going to end up without the common G4 mats they need to push ops.

[worldly dune]

I have to side with Candle on this one.

[toxic minnow]

Of course you can build and scrap a few things, but it's just not a material dump you need. Wha'ts the point total, 20 million? How many G3 Epics is that? like 80?

[toxic minnow]

Any actual rational thought leading to that conclusion?

[desert laurel]

We're simply establishing a fact of whether it is easier to spend G3 while in G4, or if G6 can do it easier to G5.

[worldly dune]

I don't have anything to add to what Candle has already said. Sorry.

[dreamy patio]

Would be nice if you could turn off efficiencies for lower grade ships, heh

[winged blaze]

But no one has 100 enterprise shops worth of blue prints stocked up

[toxic minnow]

Yeah, that actually would help them, if they could dump it at an intentionally inefficient rate

[dreamy patio]

just maxed a d4, barely a blip on the board, haha

[desert laurel]

Right, no one scraps Ents like that in G4. It's 26s that go to the scrapper.

[winged blaze]

I already said that I could scrap 100 enterprises and get the final milestone

But I couldn’t build them all if I wanted to

And it’s that same issue with g4 ships and g5 ships like @toxic minnow pointed out

It’s okay to be wrong

[worldly dune]

So.. an event is not achievable for me as well. Here is what I am doing: I am doing nothing. No point in complaining about a situation you can't do.

[winged blaze]

The point is feedback

[desert laurel]

The point of this diversion is about spending all of the mats in a pack.

[toxic minnow]

A Maxed 26 ship with Zero efficiencies gives 150,000 points, the milestone is 21 million?

[dreamy patio]

Would probably need to add a 0 or two that number to finish the sms on my end, haha

[worldly dune]

Feedback is also done by doing nothing. Devs keep track on who completes these things.

[molten glade]

you can not scrap ents till scrapyard is 50

i have 4 waiting to scrap

[tidal kite]

Why is the events called "Summer Events"? When it's not even Summer?!

[toxic minnow]

But even that's been shown to be wrong, 4.1 million "points" in the 43 person's pack, then they need 5 packs

[worldly dune]

It is always summer somewhere in the world, so that question is moot.

[toxic minnow]

But there's 36 million points in the 6* Packs, so I need 2 packs

not even 2

[winged blaze]

I want @desert laurel To buy two packs and complete it

[tidal kite]

It's not a question of "Somewhere in the world" It's simply not summer. Thats like saying you can have a drink at 8am because it's 5pm somewhere in the world

[winged blaze]

Show us we are wrong

[worldly dune]

and ignore the 3rd shift people as well? Quite narrowminded.

[desert laurel]

You can't complete this event in two packs at my level, it's ~2 packs for the heroic.

[worldly dune]

gonna carry on.

[toxic minnow]

IT's also simply not summer somewhere all year, it's only summer anywhere half the year

[tidal kite]

What is a 3rd shift people? Explain

[worldly dune]

Graveyard shifts: Overnight workers.

[tidal kite]

What's that got to do with It's not summer so why is it a summer event? It should be a winter event

[toxic minnow]

No i'm saying yes I can. If you add up everything in the Ops 63 Pack I can see and use your metric of converting it to points i CAN complete it in under 2 packs. But her pack would take 5 or 6

[worldly dune]

I am done with this discussion since you are deflecting.

[toxic minnow]

It's uneven

[worldly dune]

Good day.

[tidal kite]

You are ignoring my question too - good day

[worldly dune]

I already answered it.

[dreamy patio]

maxed another augur, .14 m towards the score. weee

[worldly dune]

IT is summer in portions of the world

[tidal kite]

No, you didn't Cybie, you cast deflection on me then say I'm deflecting. Take a look in the mirror

[worldly dune]

Just because of your narrowminded view of the world does not excuse that.

[desert laurel]

I've already stated that G6 packs look overstuffed comparatively. But the packs to finish this event should be in the ~4-5 range with full mat to pt conversion.

[tidal kite]

I'm narrow minded? It says "Summer event" - it's not summer

[worldly dune]

[desert laurel]

It's summer in the US now.

[toxic minnow]

The Ops 63 Packs had 36.6 Million points in it and our milestone is 71.1 Million. The Ops 43 Pack had 4.1 and their milestone is 20.8 Million
So even if we make this bizarre leap where you can magically convert everything to points, you're wrong

[desert laurel]

Wrong about what?

[tidal kite]

I'm not in the US

[worldly dune]

Northern Hempisphere is in Summer right now.

[toxic minnow]

About your entire premise that it's all even and it's not easier for higher level people

[tidal kite]

So the game is localised to just the northern hemisphere?

[toxic minnow]

and it's X number of packs same for everyone

Are you going just retreat from that central premise?

[desert laurel]

I'm describing intention, not the actuality of what is out there. It is the intention that the heroic is ~2x packs, and since this event is double the pts, then it should be double the packs.

[toxic minnow]

If you're admiting the 6* packs are inflated, that was literally the entire argument

[desert laurel]

If we're not to the point of where they intended, then it can be expected that more movement is coming.

[toxic minnow]

Then you actually agree with everything everyone's been saying the entire time?

[dreamy patio]

More movement is going to happen either way.

[desert laurel]

No, I have one data point in G4, G5, and G6. That's not sufficient.

The G4 and G5 numbers look roughly about what I expected from the intention. The G6 does not.

[toxic minnow]

weird to Block a Mod

[cosmic gust]

So in other words... the 4-star milestones are too high

If we could sneak beneath the doublespeak

[abstract gate]

How low can you go

[desert laurel]

It took hours to get consensus on how to convert pts, all of them, or only the "usable" set. I get that you think one data point for each of the grades is enough, but it's not.

[desert laurel]

If you'd need 4-5 packs to finish today's event, then that's not out of line with the statement I made on intention. So it wouldn't be too high.

[cosmic gust]

I don't think people defend Kim Jong Un to this same extent of delusion

[worldly dune]

Ugh... to many crazy people today. I should get muted too before I go crazy.

[cosmic gust]

I just hate that type of dishonesty. And then to move the goalposts that much is pretty crazy

[minor isle]

The southern hemisphere is an illusion, anyway

[cosmic gust]

Equator is a social construct

[minor isle]

I mean, it's the other side of the disc

Not the flip side

[cosmic gust]

Flat Earth is real Earth

[minor isle]

Nailed it

[dreamy patio]

Lies.

[winged blaze]

The flat earth movement has members around the globe

[dreamy patio]

https://tenor.com/view/art-fantasy-turtle-elephant-earth-gif-19539076

real earth

[cosmic gust]

I just think the whole thing is weirdly gaslighting, I have spent in total $40 in 18 months, and until the cut the points for 100 to 20 for mats, I could unlock new officers as long as I saved for those days, after they cut the points I can't. But then they tell me nothing changed, it's all in my mind and it's the correct game design.

[desert laurel]

No one's taking that position. It has changed. The heroic is now ~2x packs to finish.

[cosmic gust]

But it doesn't, even by your own 'every single thing in the pack counts for points' metric, it would take 3

[desert laurel]

It's the correct game design if it aligns with the intention, and so far, it looks pretty close for G4/G5.

[cosmic gust]

So then it was the 'incorrect game design' for the first year I played, and the new correct game design of not being able to unlock things started in December?

'cause if you're saying "They made the things harder to unlock several months ago" That's what I've been saying the entire time

[ornate geyser]

Like…nearby?

[desert laurel]

It would be a bug or an issue to be addressed if the produced event didn't align with the intention.
It depends on how far back you go, this process has been ongoing for several months now. And it's getting closer and closer to the intended design.

[ornate geyser]

Does it really matter….2, 3, whatever…like, does it really matter that much?

[cosmic gust]

So then yes, the 'intended design' was to increase the milestones so that it requires a spend of more money to complete?

You keep tap dancing around that part, the 'correct design' increased the cost, right?

[ornate geyser]

I tell you what…I bet nobody was more surprised than Scopely at how much money players were willing to set on fire for this slot machine.

I cannot in all honesty blame them for tweaking the payouts to maximize player willingness to spend that much money.

[winged blaze]

The only thing their intended design is going to do, is drive everyone away from playing the game all together

[desert laurel]

If we're not there yet for all grades, then the issue is still ongoing. I gave you the parameter to decide for yourself if it's doable for f2p or not. If you don't think it is, then that's not in contention.

[winged blaze]

Even big spenders are getting tired and bashing the events design

[ornate geyser]

True 3 years ago…true today.

Some day it will matter. Maybe. 🤷‍♂️

[minor isle]

Well, I think it got to the point where too many people had figured out how to game the system and unlock paid content for free, so the events were adjusted. For a long time it was only the min-maxers that would do it, but then a lot more people caught on.

[cosmic gust]

If they want to increase the cost, they can increase the cost. But this guy keeps trying to avoid that part of it, he's refusing to just say Yes, the cost went up.

[tidal kite]

They could double the prices and people would probably still pay

[desert laurel]

I'm not sure where I said the costs haven't changed. I explicitly stated that the scoring has changed to align with the ~2x pack requirement.

[cosmic gust]

But it USED TO be doable, so again, are you saying the 'correct design' CHANGED or are you saying it was always true that it should cost $200 and people were just magically doing it for free before that?

[cosmic gust]

So then Yes, they increased the costs?

If you're not their employee, why can't you say that part?

[desert laurel]

It has changed, I don't know the intention of what they were doing before the requirement.

[cosmic gust]

Did it change UPWARDS? lol

Like why can't you say this part, the cost increased

[desert laurel]

If I don't know that, then I can't say.
Let me explain. If they have always intended to have a ~2x pack cost to finish, AND they did not meet that goal before the shift, then the intended cost has not increased. The difference perceived is one of execution, not intent.

[minor isle]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-horse-spank-exhausted-wake-up-gif-17245109

[cosmic gust]

I dunno if they like, have one of your children kidnapped or something...

But good lord

[desert laurel]

I know the intent today, not the intent before.

[minor isle]

Now you're not saying it just to annoy him/her

[cosmic gust]

But you understand the reality before right... would you say the cost has gone UP or DOWN?

If they have your children captive, blink twice and we'll call interpol

[cosmic gust]

slick edit, lol

[winged blaze]

I thought they had a class action lawsuit for devaluing packs

Aren't they doing it again then?

[minor isle]

Lol I was reading it as RichyRed and only noticed after, so I figured I'd split the difference

[cosmic gust]

lol, if i was Richy i wouldn't be complaining, im a poor student. 🙂

I spent $20 on the Freeman battlepass...and then they tricked me into buy the Borg Cube battlepass and I haven't forgiven them

[ornate geyser]

He quite literally said costs have gone up.

More than once.

Candle is good people. You’re peeing on the wrong tree, lol.

[cosmic gust]

Where'd he say that? he kept saying things like the milestones went up, but you earn more so really it's the same

didn't see him say the dollar value cost has gone up

Again just in my experience so far as basically close to full F2P, I unlocked Billups, Ransom, Shax, Chakotay, Janeway, Pic Riker, then in December the scoring changed, and I don't think I've got one of the new Epics since. So it just feels like the deal went from being that F2P had to save and spend strategically and you can probably get Tier 1 to where you just must buy it.
And now starting a couple months ago it seems the Rare officers are also something you have to buy

So it just feels like crazy gaslighting to pretend it was always the "intention" that you had to buy it all

like it was a weird bug that you could earn it before

[desert laurel]

Is it that much of a reach?

[cosmic gust]

Is there any point talking to you? You're just gonna be a jerk

[desert laurel]

Businesses sell product, giving it away for free seems like a bad idea.

[keen ledge]

I have reviewed this discussion - my interpretation is that Candle is presenting the logic or intent, which moderators do not control, not diminishing the feedback presented.

It is not an intent to be rude to you. So refrain from name calling please.

[cosmic gust]

I think it's 100% his intent to be rude and extremely obtuse

[molten sigil]

Constantly annoying the customers of your business seems like a bad idea too

And saying quality while delivering quantity does just that

[keen ledge]

It is not. But I know Candle so I can interpret the purpose. I see why you may think otherwise but insults are still not warranted no matter how frustrating the event is (I will not disagree on that point).

[cosmic gust]

It is very clearly his intent to be rude

[keen ledge]

Again, it's not but it's not open for debate at this point. I would recommend shifting to a productive discussion like - how could Scopely fix this?

[cosmic gust]

Apparently Scopely cannot fix it because Scopely is infallible, and anything they do wrong is part of their "intention"

[keen ledge]

Obviously not requiring 2 packs would help

[dreamy patio]

Not running back to back spend events would help.

[keen ledge]

Overlord, maybe. Infallible, no. Oh crap, is that a bolt of lightning?!?

[molten sigil]

By listening to their customers that have been begging for QOL and bug fixes over constant streams of new content that screw up old content.

[cosmic gust]

I don't even mind tha,t if it costs 2 packs, it costs 2 packs. But a dude gaslighting everyone saying it costs 2 when it doesn't, and acting like nothing changed because their "intention" never changed is just bizarre

[keen ledge]

Which QOL and bugs should be prioritized?

[molten sigil]

I love waves being unplayable every time a new arc drops

[keen ledge]

Ok, fair... Content should be playable.

[molten sigil]

Things like being able to make a list of items to pull each day so we don’t all spend the first 15 minutes in game opening chests

[keen ledge]

The famed "collect all" - definitely agreed.

[molten sigil]

Voyager space not still spazzing out after every patch, the nodes there are still jacked too and require restarts to spawn half the time

[lost elm]

I'd just take Scopely finally listening after all this time and put Talios in the pvp list for Incursions. Has only been brought up since it started

[molten sigil]

Crashes the first week after new content drops have been an issue for over a year and continue to be

[keen ledge]

I have seen it brought up in back channels since then, but let me see if a CM can check on it. There may be a reason why it's not but I'm sure folks here can give a counterargument.

[molten sigil]

The reason is they want people to open their wallets and buy stuff for faction ships

[lost elm]

I'm fairly certain every CM has awknowledged it at some point yet it has never happened because live ops just ignore #1001233195834032230

[molten sigil]

Ofc they’re not gonna include a ship every player has

[cosmic gust]

For me it's just, be upfront on this...somethings are like a new ship comes out, I know it's paid only for 3-6 months or so then you can probably acquire it.
Primes are paid only, and every now and then they'll let you earn some down the road.

But from when i started which was like feb 2023, each month it seemed the deal was you'll get the officers if you play smart but probably Tier 1 and people pay more for higher tiers.
That has shifted.

[lost elm]

Last I checked almost every specialty ship has been added by now. Not 100% on Cube or NX01 but ships added after Talios are in like the Titan

[molten sigil]

Those ones are not easily sourced like the Tally though

I don’t know a 40+ without a Tally, I know plenty without the other ships on the list

[lost elm]

So why is Vi'dar, Franklin, and Franklin-A all in it?

There has never been a good reason given by a CM or in videos or patch notes why it was never added

[molten sigil]

Oh I’m not saying it shouldn’t be included, just saying why I’m sure they’re in no rush to fix it

[dreamy patio]

Wondering if the lack of change on some things that obviously need them is because whoever worked on it is gone and their post it notes on how it works have gone missing. Happened with STO and the foundry.

The original devs were long gone and none of the new folk could fix it

[cosmic gust]

Would be good for them to just remove those requirements all together, last incursion I had 40 something kills but didn't complete that SMS 'cause people don't show up with those ships

[molten sigil]

If they’re gonna do an sms it should be a raider one anyways

That’s the only thing that really matters in incursions

[cosmic gust]

They've got the raider leaderboard, and a damage leaderboard and kills leaderboard, which all make sense. but then having a 'kill these specific ships' SMS just doesn't seem to fit

[molten sigil]

Nah, a raider sms would make way more sense

[fiery fulcrum]

The $20 you used to pay for the BP covered the rares until Scopely got extra stingy even if they added 3 extra BPs into rotation (Wave, territory, and mid)

[molten sigil]

You can afk and complete the sms while doing no good for the server

[upper wharf]

Can every PVP event be for reltas? Crewjitzu still works there! Thanks @pseudo rune ! Having fun!

[cosmic gust]

I mean the other whole thing with incursions, it simply shouldn't be scored on raiding in the first place

especially now you've got big players with like 1 Quadrillion parsteel, the entire thing is just who has a whale fall asleep

[inland hamlet]

Wouldn't matter if incursions material raid was removed people would still raid

But you OK losing the raid material rewards from the raid slb?, maybe you'd prefer a mining slb during incursions to encourage more ship kills?

[cosmic gust]

They used to do stuff like that where it was like the Defender side had to kill Swarm or something then the Attackers had to kill them, but it was kind of silly

[inland hamlet]

Those were sms, not slb

[cosmic gust]

Doesn't really matter?

They keep trying to set up things where people PvP crewed are encouraged to hunt people who are not, and it never really works

[dreamy patio]

They need to do away with the attack/defending qualifiers on the sms. Give a bonus or something, but let players get points on either side.

[cosmic gust]

agree with that too for sure

I'd like them to drop the raiding scoring and make it more like territory in multiple systems or something, so its more based on everyone doing something not just looking for people who forgot to shield

I think getting the fighting away from bases would make things a lot better. And if there was something where low level players could earn points basically just by participating even if you die a lot would be good

[winged blaze]

That'd be too easy to cheese the scores. You could find a disgruntled player on opposite servers to give you rss to raid

Or better yet, just have friendly alliances on same server trade rss to get points

[dreamy patio]

There is no rss sms

[winged blaze]

But the entire score of incursion is based on raiding

For 97.5% of points

[dreamy patio]

I was talking about the kill sms and damage slb

[winged blaze]

Oh

[dreamy patio]

Defenders get the short end of the stick on those two events

[winged blaze]

Even then, I found a guy to fudge scores in both events

Won because the guy hated the current leaders so he helped me beat them in like 10 minutes

[dreamy patio]

raiding counts on both sides and makes up the total scoring, so not much reason to limit the other two

Had many incursions where i had to scramble at the last second to find ships to kill, or not complete it at all because I was on the other side.

[winged blaze]

I initially read it as, you should be able to raid your own server for points

[crude bolt]

Is any one else having an issue with the realta. Warp of 6 Boru needs 5 and game says you cannot get there.