💬-events-feedback

[mild glacier]

@reef verge I’m in favor of no level limits for pvp. Power levels from one tier to the next are ridiculous. If pvp brackets were to actually be fair they’d only be 2 levels and everyone would be upset they have no targets.

[reef verge]

There's level limits, and then there's ship tier/class limits. In any case.

[mild glacier]

@reef verge yes, every level a new class of ship is available is a massive power boost over the previous one. It’s so ridiculously unbalanced that that would be the only fair way to separate pvp brackets. It would still massively limit available targets to almost pointlessness.

[wanton copper]

Appreciate all of the feedback. This is great to understand so we can look into the pairings for future runs

[reef verge]

You'd still die to a T9 Ent at whatever 45+ or whatever level the whale is at, but at least you'd be able to make a small dent.

But when the whales bring out their G4/G5's and flamethrower everything, yeah.

I've popped a 24h shield. I'll be doing my dailies and won't be participating until the insane PvP imbalance has been actually addressed.

[thin void]

Not a good sign:

[turbid leaf]

I have the same thing happening

[wild violet]

This event is the dumbest thing Scopely has done to this date. You guys need to fix this game and stop trying to break it further. Three minutes in and the server is already unusable due to lag

[reef verge]

1 una shard! AH AH AH!

[astral scarab]

I updated the app and now it won’t open

It’s been “adjusting “ for 20 minutes

[devout phoenix]

Server 31/34 broken. Crossed over, disconnected, can't log back in. Multiple users reporting issue on our discord. Just stuck at Downloading Game State.

I can log in on mobile (android) but not PC.

[wild violet]

Wow what a shocker!!

[weary abyss]

35 to 33, kicked with authentication error. Stuck @ 82% trying to get back in the game. Is this the same "Success" they had in APAC?

[wild violet]

Greedy scopely HAS to put out "new" content

[devout phoenix]

Mine works now. I had the 82% issue but it finally resolved.

[wild violet]

I hope all the VP's at scopely get fired for this. You know the game developers didn't want to release this crap code so management is to blame.

Get a clue. People want to play a game that works, not one with broken new content.

[thin bear]

Hey, scoring is broken immediately.

[wild violet]

This should not be a surprise to you.

[weary abyss]

For all the IT people (non-scopely) on this forum Would you get away with this at your job?

[reef verge]

Nope.

[green latch]

I guess the event is intended just to show off the splash screen because I've been sitting here waiting to transfer for 13 minutes now.

[wild violet]

Not a chance in hell. This is why their management should be fired.

[weary abyss]

I forced close and restarted and got right in

[thin bear]

It's not. But I'm just so sick of broken BS being forced down our throats.

[wild violet]

Agreed.

[keen dawn]

As expected, nothing but a 🐳 fight.

[wild violet]

Shocker.

@tropic ibex this is embarrassing

[reef verge]

🍿

[manic estuary]

The incursion event page doesn't show for sure whether offense or defense??? That has GOT to change!!

[spare berry]

Hey Scopely, how am I suppose to crossover if I don’t have any tokens? Team members said they came as a Gift and even they got different amounts. I guess I’m just suppose to sit here and guard our server by myself then? 🤬

[misty relic]

So despite doing all the pre-incursion events I still have to pay Scopely $20 to take part in this since the free tokens we supposedly got seem to have disappeared? You guys are too much.

[gusty thicket]

How is it broken immediately? 😂

Looks like the other server is outscoring

[devout trail]

@wanton copper serv 55 not getting points for pvp loss in the designated system....

[obtuse sapphire]

Incursions needs to go into the trash barrel where it belongs.

[proven jetty]

Uhhh wheres my incursion tokens?

[steep ridge]

No points for losses. SMS EVENT is so borked!!!

[crimson siren]

Uhhh where are my incursion tokens too? Big lead up, lots of pre events, tons of announcements and now….sit on our thumbs and we dont get to play?!

[proven jetty]

Bro they need to push a free gift asap

[reef verge]

Ah yes, being hit in Borg token space.

[toxic sinew]

From what was said about the event on the APAC servers, you get points for losing if you attacked. No points if you werent the attacker.

[steep ridge]

And you can hop to the other server even if you aren't currently the attacking server.

[gusty thicket]

@wanton copper any reason why 193 has remained in our leaderboards?

@tropic ibex

[white bramble]

Did you complete the IMS?

[crimson siren]

I attemped every pre event i saw

[wanton copper]

This was fixed

I'm going out to test right now

[crimson siren]

And compleated all SMSs shown

[steep ridge]

This scoring is sooo confusing. It is showing I've completed an event now, but none of the events are showing that.

[white bramble]

How much incursion coins do you have?

[crimson siren]

75 coins

[toxic sinew]

Thanks. I can't test because I only get to armchair quarterback this time around. By the way, there is much bitterness about how we won't be able to get Subspace Relay mats this time around, which will put us behind the other server if/when the next incursion rolls around and we get to participate.

[wanton copper]

Appreciate the feedback and I'll raise it with the team

[astral coral]

Was still broken last night on APAC servers, had the issue again

[white bramble]

Sounds like you didn’t complete the IMS event

Attached below:
https://stfc.space/events/62c9a5d374c65bc171d32b74

[manic estuary]

None of the players on 34 have server markings

[wanton copper]

I've only seen a few scattered reports, nothing universal

If you could send me the IDs of players that were still having the issues that would help!

[steep ridge]

This one system scoring is absolutely stupid. I've literally been the only guy in my allocated system.

[crimson siren]

Well im telling you i do all smss....dont know what to tell you...i even got first in the xslb

220 officer shards sitting idle...sigh

[gleaming cosmos]

Points stopped scoring for the all out defense event for me on 57. I have 103k left to finish the event, I’ve killed two enterprises and I’ve received no points

[astral coral]

Can't view combat logs in other servers to get more details. Would be awesome if the logs indicated what event they were valid for. Too much stuff to go through.

[crimson siren]

So how do we fix this? I want to play the game...

[white bramble]

For this IMS. If you want to go to the other server buy a pack. For the next one, make sure you complete the IMS that gives those tokens for free

[languid ice]

@wanton copper a loss to an Enterprise is not giving points in the Defense SMS

[crimson siren]

Did my best to finish everything this time, im not the only one... Maybe not our fault. Can you fix it for this time pls?

[bleak veldt]

Oh of course, spend money. Events should not have paywall or separate event to just participate. tokens to move server should not even be part of this.

[reef verge]

do you not have wallets?!?!? 😆

[white bramble]

What’s to fix? I’ve confirmed with the other players that have stuff missing that they didn’t complete the IMS event. Scopely doesn’t have much to fix except maybe giving us the free conduits without the IMS 😬

[manic estuary]

Limiting the ships that can score on sms is stupid! Almost everyone just sends ships that don't score!

[thin pollen]

Sorry, probably should have put this here, but commas in the incursion total point display would be awesome @wanton copper

[vagrant topaz]

Scopely, this crossover idea is the supidest thing ever. I'm not even going to play during this event.

[wanton copper]

We're checking into this now

[onyx ledge]

Agreed, incursion is terrible addition to gameplay, especially to run it during bp arcs. Can't even complete dailies with people running around d killing everything.

[graceful wing]

I dont need to join anything to score in the designated system for all out defense right? Not scoring enterprise kills... or any designated kills/deaths

[wanton copper]

More than happy to suggest this!

[broken isle]

Horrible event, have enough issues dealing with the whales on my own server dont need to deal with Whales on another.

Incursions is one of the worst events to date.

[vagrant topaz]

APAC debacle yesterday, glad to hear everyone is having fun today🤣 some serious mechanics issues

[rugged moon]

Incursions are fun so far, but needing to be in one system for the sms is awful. Our pairing has the defenders not there at all, so it's impossible to complete. And since the subspace relay upgrades are tied to that...

[visual holly]

this may be the most overhyped "event" in the history of gaming... bored now

[runic bramble]

agree

[rugged moon]

Just drop the system requirements and make it global pvp damage or something

[vagrant topaz]

The only way we could get relays was raiding

[onyx ledge]

Can't even complete bp events and dailies

[vagrant topaz]

yup

[runic bramble]

yup worst idea ever

[wild violet]

Yes. But they have to have "new content" so get used to their terrible ideas

Have a game that works? Thats overrated!

[visual holly]

being extremely boring is a change of pace from being totally broken

[bronze shale]

the server matchup of 81 vs. 82 is incredibly absurd. 81 is bored with the easy PVP because they vastly outmatch us (server full of 39s, and we only have a handful of folks over 36), and a lot of 82 has resorted to hiding so we don't lose all our RSS. and somehow i'm supposed to complete a swarm battle pass event during this?

[wild violet]

I agree. Unfortunately Scopely will only learn this after a large number of players quit. Which don't worry - keep this up and they will.

[runic bramble]

it like playing against chinese players on other mobile games no fun

[trim gazelle]

Can we put some commas, or use uniform width numbers for the incursion scores? I have no idea who's winning

[wild violet]

It all comes down to the fact that scopely cares about new players over existing ones.

Is scopely a public company? We should all buy one share of stock and vote to fire all their VPs

[visual holly]

the scoring bar is an indicator of sorts

[vague flax]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...

[runic bramble]

scopely only care about the credit cards players

[visual holly]

new players over existing ones? how does an event this boring and stupid cater to new players who dont have pvp officers, dont have the required ships

[devout trail]

@wanton copper the attack/defend rounds are too long - by my calculations, our server (55), because we started on defense, has an attack round tomorrow morning at 6am, whereas 54 gets two attack rounds during 'normal' hours - meaning they'll likely win since its easier to be awake for those.

The attack/defense rounds should be cut in half in length so they all fit within a single 12 hour period.

[visual holly]

how about 2 x 3 hrs and assume everyone is bored by then

[north ledge]

I would rather have them last 12h and double the rewards for them. Easier to be able to participate when you have 8 hours taken by sleep and later with work

[wild violet]

No idea what they are thinking. However all the new content is to attract new players. This event doesn't seem to be targetted at new players but clearly has broken most of the servers.

meanwhile most of us are docked up waiting to finish the daily events

[visual holly]

really? daily events are easily completable on my server

i've seen 2 invaders

[wild violet]

Our server is dog slow

[queen locust]

all out defense 4 battles in right system with right ships but only 1 scored

[visual holly]

probably the more crossover the more lag

[near olive]

It's absolute garbage that those of us that didn't get the Incursion Tokens before they cancelled the event and took them away last time don't get to participate in the attack. $copely, you SUCK.

[vagrant topaz]

IMS was always completable

[white bramble]

No incursion tokens were taken away

[torpid saddle]

I didnt get any tokens to port to the competing server. Ticket started in game.

[white bramble]

You didn’t complete the IMS last week

[torpid saddle]

Which one? I complete 95%

[vagrant topaz]

The 5% one had the token 🤣

[near olive]

The opportunity to get them was removed.

[vagrant topaz]

No it wasn't

[white bramble]

How so? The IMS where they were offered was during the prep phase which wasn’t changed

[white bramble]

https://stfc.space/events/62c9a5d374c65bc171d32b74

[white bramble]

https://stfc.space/events/62c9a5d374c65bc171d32b74
You didn’t do it. You don’t get the tokens for free

[torpid saddle]

So the description that everyone can participate is false 😉

[vagrant topaz]

Everyone who completed IMS

[white bramble]

As long as they do the incursion prep

Which is still everyone since everyone had the means to do the IMS

[torpid saddle]

Still dont know which event

[wild violet]

The worst part of about this is some idiot VP in his Scopely office thinks this is still a great idea

[graceful wing]

10 pvp battles so far in designated system.with my augur and enty. Some wins some losses. Battles other enty's augurs and ktinga. ZERO points. Server 20. Such a waste of time and rss

[white bramble]

https://stfc.space/events/62c9a5d374c65bc171d32b74

[white bramble]

It was a community idea

[toxic sinew]

The server-wide milestone event during the incursion prep series of events gave enough tokens for 2 transfers (1 at the first milestone and 1 at the last). If you scored any points in that milestone, you should have enough for 1 transfer, 2 if your server finished the milestones.

[torpid saddle]

I did

But i have no tokens

[white bramble]

Did you score toward it? Regardless if your server completed it you needed to score to it

[wild violet]

I don't understand how since the majority of users have been complaining about it

[white bramble]

Not from what I’ve seen

Some wanted it, some didn’t. That’s how this game goes

[toxic sinew]

There is a very loud vocal segment here complaining about it. I honestly have no idea how large a segment that is.

[wild violet]

🤷‍♂️

[white bramble]

Not that big compared to how many want this event 😬

But big enough on here apparently

[vagrant topaz]

Night, the idea is great but unfortunately the mechanics and detail was neglected

[bleak veldt]

wanting the event is fine, just give 10 conduits to all players. simplifies a lot for scopely and players

[wild violet]

Well i did my part. I opened tickets and voiced my opinion many times on here. No one cares.

[toxic sinew]

It's not an event I really wanted, not one I expected to go well, but I was willing to give it a try. I can't though. I get to sit out this round.

[wild violet]

I think this event is absolutely stupid. They should have made it opt-in only. Instead you have to opt-out by moving your base

you should have had to move your base to participate, not the other way around

[white bramble]

Oh yeah 😬😬 tbh I’m the same I’m semi PvP so I wanted it and didn’t want it

[vagrant topaz]

Even those who don't want to participate struggle to do dailies, miners are like shooting ducks in a barrel

[vagrant topaz]

This event is not fun. Maybe servers should be set up that wont be involved. I fell that it’s unfair when I spend money and my game play is adversely affected. I didn’t pay to have this done.

[wild violet]

I agree but Scopely clearly doesn't care about their user base.

[sullen badger]

Incursions = 🤢 🤮

[whole cape]

They really should have put in a little more effort and made a way for players to opt out of PvP. I’ve seen it done in other games, so I know it’s possible. I’m not a PvP player, and this event has made it impossible for me to do the battlepass event or dailies at all. It’s a completely wasted day for me.

[bleak veldt]

good idea, horrible execution

[onyx ledge]

Scopely should definitely have asked us if this was something we wanted before forcing it down our throats

[queen locust]

would be better if it scored right

[white bramble]

They did. It was a community idea

[sullen badger]

https://tenor.com/view/joaquin-phoenix-commodus-gladiator-thumbs-down-gif-12708900

[bleak veldt]

we didnt want it forced on us, even if we thought the event itself could be fun

[cold solstice]

If there was a chest for free tokens, it didn't show for about a third of my alliance and that includes our most active pvp players. We aren't happy we have to pay or play defense only.

[raw rain]

Worst event EVER!

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-down-you-adam-sandler-gif-14612875

[wild violet]

I say bad idea and even worse execution.

[strange flame]

Incursions = Epic stupidity

[light trout]

I don't care if this is the unpopular opinion at the moment, but this is hands down the dumbest event in the history of the game. Total chaos.

[white bramble]

There was an IMS last week for the tokens. If you didn’t score in it you didn’t get the rewards

[light trout]

Reading the comments, I'm realizing it's not the unpopular opinion. LOL

[wild violet]

Yes. Only a few people have actually said they wanted this.

[viscid phoenix]

That’s because the minority who don’t want it are the most vocal

[wild violet]

Unfortunately no matter how much the paying users complain Scopely doesn't care. Time to find a new game.

[light trout]

I never saw it listed on any of the surveys out there and I sure didn't see it in any feedback or suggestion channel. So far, I've only ever seen one person say they suggested it long ago in a roundabout way. However, it's clear the VAST majority of players did not ask for this, especially with it being a forced event, not a voluntary event. There were far bigger asks out there that should've been a major priority instead of this.

[wild violet]

In global chat on our server very few people were for it.

[white bramble]

I’ve seen it a few times for months. It’s been around for while

[vagrant topaz]

Was the feed back rated based on much is spent? Do those that spend $500 matter more than those that don’t spend money?

[light trout]

"Few" times. What does that tell you? Compare that few times to the multiple times other features and fixes were requested.

[light trout]

I spend a crap ton of money on this game. I've been against this event since it was announced.

[white bramble]

It was 3:1 roughly on who wanted Vs who didn’t

[vagrant topaz]

Move those 3:1 onto servers@that want it then.

[light trout]

I highly doubt the ratio was that close. Reading the comments for the past month leading up to this, I would hazard a rough estimate was more like 12:1 against.

[wild violet]

That and it failing so miersably last week. What on earth makes them think it was going to be "great" this week? Delusional.

[white bramble]

Like was said above the more vocal side is against it 😊

[gilded warren]

Actually amusing for way to get money out players. Incursions will zero your packs bought for a long time

[wild violet]

That's all this is. A half baked money grab.

[light trout]

That proves nothing and means nothing, other than to say the majority on this Discord are against it. If the so called "silent majority" don't speak, that's on them.

[obtuse sapphire]

Their KPIs are based on vanity metrics. They are only basing this on what they want to see. The financial fallout from this should be telling.

[vagrant topaz]

Not really. It’s not a democracy and no one asked for a vote

[viscid phoenix]

The silent majority are probably busy playing the game and having fun with the event

[light trout]

Not just a financial fallout. I would hazard a guess that a percentage of their player numbers will outright quit the game over it. Paying or non-paying won't matter. The fact that they went ahead with a forced event, will cause causal players to finally have enough and walk away.

[wild violet]

Or working.. which is what most of us our doing on a Tuesday.

[wild violet]

Disagree. I think you're just drinking the kool aid bro.

[toxic sinew]

Additionally, only the people with problems are likely to come on and give feedback. It's the same reason review sites and student evaluations of professors need to be taken with a big grain of salt. Those that have posted here saying they enjoyed it have said so and left without having to repost there opinion in every channel or multiple times.

[vagrant topaz]

If thats the case then what’s the issue? Just shield up in a low level system

[wild violet]

Because that's dumb. Why should I have to opt-out by moving my base? It should be opt-in by moving your base.

Every OTHER event you have to join it.. not click "not join"

[white bramble]

Again what’s the issue? Scopley gave you 2 free tokens to move your base

[wild violet]

Because I don't WANT to move my base. Even though I did. I was forced too. That's the issue. Why can't you understand that?

[maiden patio]

Maybe I’m alone, but have had nothing but great service via customer support .

[white bramble]

I move my base like 4 times a week. 1 extra move wouldn’t bother me 🤷‍♂️

[toxic sinew]

I do think an opt-in mechanism would have been better.

[wild violet]

Their support is one of the worst I've seen ever.

[wild violet]

Well good for you. I don't.

[white bramble]

Idk on that tbh 🤔

I’m 50/50 on that

[vagrant topaz]

I’d advise you just read back your comments or take a step or three back. You’re being pointlessly antagonistic.

[light trout]

Might as well not bother arguing with them. No matter what we say, they will defend Scopely and tell you they're right and you're wrong. They'll just tell you to get over it and deal with it. Move along. They've adapted to the Scopely way of ignoring player's concerns.

[wild violet]

It's not pointless. I have good reasons.

[devout dirge]

This event planning was poorly thought out. We waited a longer period of time, got paired with a dead server. Barely any of us are going to complete the defensive part, we've had 2 attackers so far. The territories aren't even fully filled on the sever were against. Again no surprise Scopely drops the ball.

[maiden patio]

Dunno, use them three times. very quick, polite and resolved them all or at least gave me updates, on the issue.

[white bramble]

We don’t have a reason to defend Scopley. We are entitled to our opinions like you are. Simple

[toxic sinew]

Less complaints from people who didn't get the memo, less panic about the fringe cases with long shields... just less drama overall.

[wild violet]

Yup. Clueless just like Scopely.

[vagrant topaz]

Perhaps you do, but you’re apparently not in a state to effectively communicate them.

[light trout]

I've understood everything he said.

[wild violet]

Yup and your opinions are ignorant just like Scopely's. It's ok to have dumb opinions.

[vagrant topaz]

Why are the ones enjoying it going to say anything, they are the ones having fun. We are hear complaining because we aren’t having fun playing the game right now.

[wild violet]

Read the scroll back bro. I've been talking for hours. 🙂

[vagrant topaz]

You’re starting to get the point! Well done. See how that’s not in any way productive nor healthy?

[white bramble]

All I’ve seen is an echo chamber of the same people. Not masses

[elfin merlin]

Ok, I haven’t tried it yet, so,I can’t comment on the execution but having a pvp event across servers looks like a good idea to me. Not every player likes mining and roe…in my case, the worst event ever is mining Monday and I have to put up with it on a weekly basis. You don’t see me complaining here every minute…or ever. Please accept different players have different play styles and interests. I for one spend my time raiding but have not seeen any raiding events. Maybe we should have weekly raiding events like we have mining monday…but I assume a lot of you would complain as well. This event needs improvements. Fine. Let’s work on that instead of simply complaining and blaming

[light trout]

https://tenor.com/view/head-in-the-sand-gif-12598832

[wild violet]

So it's better to just say nothing? What country do you live in?

[maiden patio]

Ask for case review, raise in a clear way again and add a timeline, so fresh eyes and get on to it maybe

[vagrant topaz]

You haven’t been “talking” for hours, you have been incessantly whining for hours, meanwhile being antagonistic to anyone you merely suspect has an opposing view

[wild violet]

Let me be clear. I don't expect Scopely to do anything because I believe their management is incompotent. However, just like anyone protesting, if you don't speak up you will never be heard.

[gilded warren]

Having this abortion between arcs would not impact the game flow.
During battlepass it does

[vagrant topaz]

Can I see the spreadsheet of the votes for this event? Is there going to be an offer of relocation to servers that won’t participate in these incursion events?

[light trout]

The key difference between the regular events and this one is that with the other ones it's always an opt-in option. You can choose to do other things while those events are going on with little to no repercussions or disruptions to your daily play style. With Incursions, the only option you appear to have is to take part or take a day off.

[white bramble]

Every server participates.

[toxic sinew]

No. Currently there is a group of servers that doesn't each time (though that would change with some mergers).

[gilded warren]

Well thats a fading deliberate idea, every server participates

[white bramble]

I know I mean every server is still in it overall

[gilded warren]

Where the customer, and you upset your customers they take there money elsewhere

[wild violet]

Yes, definitely. That is my plan for sure.

[toxic sinew]

That is an idea though. They could transfer people who firmly don't want this event into one server and put that server permanently out of the rotation.

[vagrant topaz]

Ever hear of world of war craft? They had servers for people who didn’t want to pvp? But you obviously don’t care about providing that option to your player base

[wild violet]

Disagree. Why would I want to leave my alliance for a dumb event?

One that doesn't even work on top of that.

[toxic sinew]

Isn't that essentially what Geroge the yank was proposing he do?

[trail shale]

BINGO

[toxic sinew]

And how would leaving your alliance to stay in the game be much different than leaving the game entirely, which is what it sounds like you are about to do.

[trail shale]

And alot of us would be quiet on incursions if PvP were balanced properly to begin with. A level 38 pounding on a level 28 isn't "fun" for anyone but the level 38.

And don't come at me with that "shield and move" Bs either.

[toxic sinew]

No argument there. They either need to fix their PvP balancing/bracketing or add a new mechanism (like WoW had) to discourage people reaching too far down to PvP.

[vagrant topaz]

Right? How is this supposed to be fun? @white bramble how much does someone need to spend to get to that lvl?

[gilded warren]

Probably could bought a second house

[wanton copper]

Hi George, NightBrawler is a community volunteer and doesn't work directly for Star Trek Fleet Command

Feel free to tag me in items like this if you'd like

[trail shale]

Is this "fun"? Because I don't see fun.. I see what's akin to a crime that starts with an R.

[vagrant topaz]

How much does it cost for someone to get a ship like that to out class people so it’s not fun for them to play.

[wild violet]

Because if I leave the game, I have the ability to come back if Scopely pulls it together down the road. Leaving my alliance means I have to start over.

ALSO

[toxic sinew]

Leaving the game will likely mean your alliance will eventually boot you for inactivity. I've got a few players I need to do that with.

[hollow flicker]

george. go look at this site.. change the numbers and watch how unbalanced it is... https://www.pvptarget.com/

[wild violet]

Staying in game doesn't help. It will still be a broken game.

[wild violet]

It's not hard to login once a month and logout.

[toxic sinew]

... Yeah. You better have been a core member if you expect to stay in for too long doing that.

[wild violet]

It's really not a point I care that much about. My main point will be to stop spending any money on this game. I prefer a working game over broken new content. That's the bottom line.

[quaint grail]

good news! I just got a push through and can move on with Cipher 3. Hope you can progress soon as well 🙂

[vagrant topaz]

From our incursion last night overall its a great idea, just needs work, PvP in one system is nuts, should be anywhere, brackets are wrong, the event should not be run during an Arc

[vagrant topaz]

Wow if that’s true that means @wanton copper doesn’t care about the player base and only the player credit cards

My 350m base got smashed by one the same size

Wow now that’s some bull💩

We lost our incursion because of a L59 Whale MIA, 3B in size base, 2TB of RSS taken, something we couldn't recover from

[glossy wasp]

Just restarted app again, still no gift, still stuck, even messaged support again this morning and haven't heard squat😮‍💨

[white bramble]

Write a ticket to CS and forward it to Eco here please
#👽-how-to-contact-support

[vagrant topaz]

Worst thing, we couldn't defend him

🤣

[brittle crescent]

Incursions tokens disappeared. Not able to participate

[vagrant topaz]

Odd, i just got a chest of 2

Maybe it was the "random re-allocation of token packs" i just bought

[wild violet]

This event is a big stinky turd.

[brittle crescent]

Severely upset. Scopely may lose several accounts

[wild violet]

They don't care. Don't bother wasting your breath.

[visual holly]

so does hostile dmg count in the overall score or not.. the wording on the event is unclear

[trail shale]

Unless you've spent 5 figures at minimum, they don't care.

[brittle crescent]

Figures

[visual holly]

also, scopely, you cannot fix pvp that is fundamentally broken due to overly broad brackets and insane power gaps by simply dumping two servers together with the same fundamental issue.. if you want pvp, then make it a viable event and not target practice

[brittle crescent]

Whale event

[vagrant topaz]

Maybe scopely should asked players questions before putting them on a server. Like how much do you plan on giving us a month? What’s your annual income? Do you have a trust fund?

[visual holly]

even for whales it has to be a bit boring

[wild violet]

"Are you ok with spending thousands of dollars for broken content?"

[visual holly]

50 vs 57 is just as broken as 30 vs 43

[vagrant topaz]

Do you ever plan on trying to attract a sexual partner?

[visual holly]

lol i believe the above trust fund question would answer that

[wild violet]

Sex is overrated. Once you are 40+ you just care about beer and sammiches.

[trail hemlock]

This is not going to work they should not disable your shield regardless of where you are you spent a lot of time and money for your resources and you should be able to protect them

[light trout]

@wanton copper Does this look like a balanced pairing to you? We had a bunch of players whip out their CCs in the past month, racing to get as high up and as powered up as they could get. The best we got were some 54s. We're going up against an older server that already has 60s. I myself got defeated by a player three levels below me with a ship of the same level that was 500K stronger than mine. Something is very off with this game. My ship and crew combo normally rock in my server, but I'm somehow being outgunned by players three levels below me. Glad I spent so much money beefing up and doing major upgrades everywhere in the game just to get creamed over and over again.

[limber zephyr]

It is extremely dumb to limit defense SMS points to a single system. Who cares where you're defending as long as you're defending...

[wanton copper]

I really appreciate the feedback. We're looking at these events and are going to be looking at server pairings for future runs to try and make each Incursion event better

[quartz lava]

@wanton copper ... commas are important. 👀

[wanton copper]

I've also heard the comma feedback =]

[light trout]

Myself included. Yet that money appears to have been completely wasted.

[mighty star]

That we have to ask scopely each and every time to put thousand delimiters in is annoying. This is obvious, you dont need a customer request

[quartz lava]

PS... how does someone raid Mats? Does that mean "Mine"?

[sweet valve]

The event would be more fun if more incursion tokens had been given and the "prep" events had been doable for most people. For me, it was a once and done deal which is disappointing.

[tame barn]

This event is so thrilling most of my alliance have logged off three hours in.

[limber zephyr]

Stealing via OPL hits

[visual holly]

the server pairings are not the problem. the event is boring. unbalanced due to fundamental pvp imbalance and i hope to god there are not more of these things, though i can use the sleep

[tropic ibex]

Is that still the case?

[high aurora]

Each bracket has a different system. The problem is those in higher brackets coming down and killing everyone else below them to deny points. It's strategic, but it's not fun for those in the lower bracket

[vale shore]

Absolutely not pvp. F grade

[vagrant topaz]

Ship strength is a myth, its the crew

[woeful tree]

How does the PVP scoring make any sense if invaders are earning more points for LOSING to a defender (9) than the defender earns for killing the invader (6)?! Idiotic

[high aurora]

No crew in the world is going to save that Kelvin in that situation...lol

[vagrant topaz]

My post wasn't referring to that, note the quote

[light trout]

I'm well aware of that. We're pretty good at ship crewing, thanks. This is a situation where 60s are able to hit 39s easily and out of control.

[sterile karma]

this event should not have been allowed you charge players real money to buy protections for their station and then turn around and go hey now that we have your hard earned money lets take away all your shields so others can come in and steal everything and there's nothing you can do about it but sit it out and watch all of you items be looted

[vagrant topaz]

Post a screenshot

Were they using the buff that is in the event store ?

300% i believe

[light trout]

They might have been. I don't see anything in the log that would tell me if they were, as far as I can tell. I didn't even remember the buffs existed until way later.

[gusty thicket]

Yes sir, it's been like that since Incursion's first happened last week but I figured it was related to the event being cancelled prematurely, but it still didn't fix today.

[alpine cape]

Weird bug. I can hit a cracked target in enemy server tc space, but regular miners can’t. I’ve restarted my game several times, no change.

[light trout]

I'd love to know how much it cost to get a Kelvin to that level at Ops 42.

[lethal moss]

I would offer feedback as a better way to improve sourcing for incursion tokens, I filed a ticket for the missing tokens I just noticed were missing but no other chance to invade and have fun

[vagrant topaz]

Why are you using Marcus v a Interceptor

[gilded warren]

@wanton copper i would ask in regard to incursions, you do servers wide survey and publish player feed back of incursions continuing thanks

[gusty thicket]

Why are either players using those crews

lol

[light trout]

In this case, I was in a hurry and had only just woken up. I switched to Kirk, Spock, Khan for a few more runs than mixed it up a bit after that.

[vagrant topaz]

At the very least use Kang

[hallow flare]

Feed back 6 hrs of one server going to the other, then 6 hrs the other way. Do that every 6hrs. At this point I can't jump into other server and most my alliance is.

[sweet valve]

It's mainly a spender event. Either you completed one of the almost impossible prep events or you whip out your wallet and hand them $20 for the privilege of participating in the incursion portion.

[hallow flare]

I don't know why I don't have crossover token, but that is an issue.

[vagrant topaz]

The token was a server milestone

[sweet valve]

IF you actually scored in said milestone

[vagrant topaz]

If you didn't score at all why are you complaining

[light trout]

It was hard to plan what ship I was going to hit. The other server was bringing every type of ship imaginable. If I planned for an Explorer, I got hit by an Interceptor. If I planned for an Interceptor, I got hit by a Battleship. And so on, and so on. I tired a generic crew and got hammered. I finally realized part of my problem was forgetting to add the buff. That sure didn't help.

[vagrant topaz]

The balance is tough in a melee

[rancid ermine]

It's a terrible idea and a terrible event. It has only encouraged the worst this game has to offer. Incursions will actually cause players to leave. And no event should ever be an opt out event. Events should always be opt in. Especially one like this, where the overwhelming majority of players are not interested.

[light trout]

It was made worse by getting hit with ships that were twice my strength. I had to surgically strike at smaller ships and warp put before getting hunted by high 50-60s with ships I couldn't hope to even make a dent in.

[stray bison]

I suggest a "neutral zone" next time.

[tame barn]

I suggest they jack it in as a bad idea

[light trout]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what the system brackets are supposed to be? It seems odd that high 50s and 60s would be sent to a system populated by low to mid 40s. Januu was the system I had for mine. Was I just krill for the whales by design?

[white bramble]

Pm him dont post it here

Thanks bud 🖖

[glossy wasp]

I'm 40, my system is Yoruba, and I've seen 50 and 57 there

[strange flame]

Whoever at Scopely came up with the idea for incursions should be fired

[white bramble]

From what i have seen mid G4 is paired with ops 50+

[light trout]

That tells me that some players are obviously taking advantage of fish in a barrel. They're forgoing points in their own SMS bracket and scoring Invader points instead.

[light trout]

So players who only have G4 ships are going up against players with G5s? How does that make sense to anyone? Can you say Turkey Shoot?

[white bramble]

Tbh in most scenarios there isnt enough ops 50+ to split the brackets further so it would leave the guys at the top without their 6h sms

[light trout]

I doubt that highly. Our server alone has plenty of 50+ and S40 is already at L60 with more than a few 50s to to go around. They could easily handle taking each other on have enough targets.

[white bramble]

Thats not always the case, the scoring is universal

[wet cedar]

its even worse with G5 vs G3 which happens as well.

[amber hound]

.

[light trout]

That alone makes it a ridiculous affair. If there's that much imbalance by design it becomes worthless for those at the very lowest rungs. We simply become krill for the whales. That's not fun for anyone but the whales.

[river merlin]

second round also has disadvantage since the first goers can just go offline

[amber hound]

Pure cash grab event by Scopely... Kinda figured this would be the case

[river merlin]

since the first round people get to go first and lots of people are unaware of all the point mechanics

[vagrant topaz]

With APAC servers limited, (8) surely it would be common sense to pair v US servers because of time zones

[river merlin]

that would be terrible

[vagrant topaz]

why

[white bramble]

thats a really bad idea

[vagrant topaz]

why

[manic estuary]

So I guess it's official that there was no free crossover tokens given out, which they said for a month would be?

[white bramble]

They did, they gave them out last week

in an IMS event

[manic estuary]

That isn't a gift, We did get them but they repeatedly said all would get them

[river merlin]

yeah they did say there would be a gift chest for tokens

[chilly furnace]

Should of made "Event" servers that people could go to if they actually wanted to do this "Event". Off to another game for a few days.

[vagrant topaz]

That’s not giving them out, that’s requiring players to complete events to get rewards. Giving them out would be a chest.

[white bramble]

Cant expect to be handed everything for free

[vagrant topaz]

So the token aren’t just given out for a event of forced participation?

[lethal moss]

I filed a ticket because it took until today for me to recognize they never appeared in my inventory, I doubt customer support will get to it cuz they are flooded with requests

[white bramble]

If you dont want to do the incursion prep event in preparation for incursion event then thats a you problem

[white bramble]

did you score towards the IMS

[lethal moss]

I did

[white bramble]

Just double checking what is it you did exactly?

[lethal moss]

I’ve participated in all of the events for prep, I got some of the currency for the exocomps but that was it

[manic estuary]

You CAN expect something free when it is repeatedly advertised as such

[white bramble]

did you get to the 4th milestones of the prep SMS events?

[white bramble]

Yep, we got free relo tokens and a 3 day shield as advertised and actually that was more than they should have given it should have been a 1 day shield

[lethal moss]

Pretty sure I completed all of the prep events, it happened a while ago and I had some family stuff come up so sorry for not remembering everything

[white bramble]

nah no worries

[manic estuary]

uhm no

[vagrant topaz]

And my only option to not take part in the event is forced relocation. I have no choice. Also to complete those events I would have had to spend some money to complete them. So that’s not giving them to me , that’s me having to pay for them

[white bramble]

sounds like you didnt get them for some reason so hopefully CS get them for you or tell you what you missed

[white bramble]

yep

Thats what was advertised as free

[lethal moss]

Sadly I doubt they will get to it before the event is over and because that event was a while ago I didn’t “file it in time”

[manic estuary]

You're confusing two entirely different things

[white bramble]

Once you get a ticket number pass it on to Eco in dm

[white bramble]

Tbh the conduits were free too, its just down to Scopely how they gave them to players

[white bramble]

I've seen file tickets for events older than a week and got resolutions so i wouldnt worry about when you put the ticket in

[manic estuary]

You have a very flexible argument there, like most trolls

[white bramble]

I just know when to be grateful for what has been given to me and what i have to work for

[manic estuary]

Two entirely different things as I said

[lethal moss]

Appreciate the advice, sorry if I’m a bit stand off ish lol been an interesting day

[white bramble]

No worries bro, i've had an interesting day too so i might sound tired or something 😬😬

[wild violet]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-fanny-fart-gif-5364027

That's symbolic of this event

[mighty star]

Sorry, dont know morse code

[visual anchor]

Well, heck. I didn’t have high hopes for incursion, and even those aren’t met. It boils down to a whale brawl, while everyone else hides for the day. I guess if the goal was to give whales a chance to exercise those very expensive ships, then it is a success. For the rest of us, not so much. Maybe if Scopely ever got around to tightening up the power ranges, it could be interesting. But a level 41 doesn’t get much to appreciate by getting flattened by a level 56.

[gilded warren]

Only 24hrs of the not fun

[chilly furnace]

It's WvW not PvP

[slate swift]

it does not matter now long or short the time is. forced PVP is not for every one. I agree this is a WHALE brawl... I do not have time to be looking at my screen every minute to monitor things going on.

[wild violet]

Hopefully Scopely doesn't ever try this dumb event again.

You do nothing and like it. That's the Scopely way.

[craggy urchin]

Invaders can shield?

[gilded warren]

Already said planning for future incursions must need trim down servers

[slate swift]

there should be a way to transfer to a temporary server... then the people who join that incursion... only affect people who go there...

[visual anchor]

Yeah, same as anyone - just need to be in an under 20 system. Although, I like the idea of not letting an invader shield at all.

[slate swift]

I am in a lvl 19 system

[wild violet]

Wow what a novel idea - opt-in and not opt-out. Like we haven't been saying that all day!

[quartz lava]

@wanton copper Wrapping the screen in red is driving me crazy. i keep seeing my phone in the corner of my eye and thinking i'm being raided. Can that be done differently going forward?

[wild violet]

Scopely executives are too stupid to understand that though.

"Let's make this event different than every other event we've ever done before!! It will be a great idea!!!"

You know that's not Old Man or any of the developers idea. It's their incompetent management.

The same people who refuse to let the developers go back and fix bugs that were introduced by all the arcs they keep putting out. Technical debt piles up.

Maybe fix the bug that's been around for 3-4 years now where you go to reset on a mining node and it says you are still mining it, even though you moved off.

Nah!!! Let's do an incursion event! It will be GREAT!!! TONY THE TIGER GREAT!!!

[wanton copper]

This is feedback I've seen from the community and one I'm going to speak with the team about

[craggy urchin]

That's just dumb...defeats the whole purpose of them coming over...beyond the fact that this event is incredibly boring (checking random systems so I can relay the cords to a whale is not fun) it's also extremely poorly planned/though out. This had potential but whoever decided it should be galaxy wide, and affect normal shield mechanic for defending server doesn't understand that pvp in this game is largely seen as an unfortunate part of the game with how uneven it is.

[wild violet]

How about this feedback? Don't do this event again because it's the worst thing you've ever done!

[wanton copper]

I appreciate your thoughts, and I've seen some people love it and some hate it

I think it will be great to see the stats and get all the feedback at the end of the event to see how we can improve it

[wild violet]

Let the people who love it OPT-IN to do it next time then.

[craggy urchin]

I think there is still potential here, but it desperately needs to be adjusted.

[wild violet]

Not force us to opt-out by moving systems

All other events you click "join" - what makes this one different?

[thin pollen]

Commas in the score. Can’t say it enough times lol

[wild violet]

It's that simple. You would make everyone happy by not forcing us to join it.

The people who want in must join the event and move systems. Problem solved. People who want to participate can and those who don't do not.

[tame barn]

Yeah sitting in a sub 20 level system getting camped out by a whale is probably more entertaining for the whale

[wild violet]

@wanton copper Please acknowledge this simple concept.

Opt IN for events. Not Opt out. Why is this so hard to understand?

[gilded warren]

You could opt out 19 system and shield but mining ect wasnt happening . Putting incursions between arcs be alot better option.

[vagrant topaz]

Where are all these people that “love it”? Hahah. Don’t gaslight us

[wild violet]

That's not OPT OUT

that's opt in

[keen dawn]

Oh, yay. Our own whales and bullies aren’t bad enough, we get forced to deal with someone else’s.

[wild violet]

You don't take action - that's "opt in"

when you have to take action and move your base - that's "opt out"

[vagrant topaz]

This event is annoying…. But worse, it’s BORING

[wild violet]

there's no other way to interpret that. It's not opt-out by moving to a 19 system. That's called forcing people

[rancid ermine]

A few people love it. MOST people hate it.

[tame barn]

Where's the opt out? The opt out is not to play for 24 hours or get hunted down for points.

[white bramble]

Yes in a level 19 or lower system anyone can

[wild violet]

That's Scopely pretending that there's more than 10 people who like it. We all know the truth.

[little saffron]

so I assume it's already been pointed out that the event actively works against itself? One part of the event gives points for raiding OPCL miners, while another gives points for any damage done to any ship, making mining long enough to get to OPCL impossible?

[wild violet]

Can't waste all this development effort and actually admit it was a bad idea. We have to pretend like some people like it!!!

[slate swift]

going to lvl 19 or lower system is only part of the OPT out. you still have to pull in all of your ships and shield for the event. it is not really an OPT out system. it is a DO ALL OF THESE THINGS AND YOU OPT OUT

[wild violet]

This is why everyone makes fun of you Scopely. Just man up say " We were wrong. It was stupid and we won't do it ever again. Sorry."

[vagrant topaz]

There is no true opt out.

[wild violet]

100% Agree. It's an opt-out event. Don't let anyone tell you other wise.

[vagrant topaz]

It’s a voluntold event

I get enough of this nonsense at work.

In rl.

[wild violet]

because they can't do it any other way.

[rancid ermine]

"You're gonna love this..."

[wild violet]

It's not like we aren't all IT professionals who know what's up.

[autumn wadi]

Including basically giving up on the day's events. That's like opting out of an "optional" meeting which is also the only place they serve lunch. Sure, you'll live, but you're getting punished for it.

[trail shale]

@tropic ibex @wanton copper either of you two see a big problem with your little incursions event here?

[white bramble]

Whats the issue mate

[trail shale]

An invader should not be allowed to sit in a sub 20 system under a shield... especially if that players server is on defence.

[wild violet]

We could give you a list of 50 issues!

[white bramble]

Not an issue, its intended

[wild violet]

LOL!

[trail shale]

If you're invading a server, no shield for you. Full stop.

Especially when players server is on defence.

[wild violet]

Let me translate that for you Nicetry. "Oh we want you to get screwed."

[vagrant topaz]

Nope.

[white bramble]

So if i have to go to work for 7 hours but have a spare hour i cant do my attack phase???

[distant steeple]

Place your idea in the ideas channel. Maybe it will be considered for the next run.

[vagrant topaz]

You invade a server, you can drop into a low level system and rinse people who haven’t put a bubble up.

[granite moth]

just my 2 cents here. not everyone got free conduits to go back n forth or the means to spend $ for this...making one of the events impossible to score as a defender is just dumb

[vagrant topaz]

Uhhh… you did 😬 just had to do your homework

[trail shale]

Idc that they can go to a low level system, I care they can shield.

[median frost]

I wish you'd stop saying that. I put the work in, Scopely screwed the pooch.

[white bramble]

Waste your free conduits then

[wild violet]

He's getting paid by Scopely clearly.

[vagrant topaz]

Did you?

[median frost]

Yes

[vagrant topaz]

Where are your conduits then?

[median frost]

That's my question on my CS ticket.

[white bramble]

How many incursion coins do you have also?

75?

or 375?

[trail shale]

Why bother? I get enough whale stomps on my own server.

I don't need to jump servers for that experience 😒

[visual holly]

nothing ever fails in game development. they will bribe people to do it or count a single interaction with it in such a way they can proclaim it a success

[vagrant topaz]

I wonder how you earn those 😆

[trail shale]

Existing as a F2P.

[white bramble]

Your idea promotes wasting conduits for tiny things, im just disagreeing with your idea

[trail shale]

No it dosnt, sub 20 is supposed to be "opt out" systems (per @tropic ibex s words... not mine). Not much of an "opt out" if invaders can go to the "opt out" systems.

Seems like the "opt out" was a load of hogwash

https://tenor.com/view/none-of-my-business-tea-kermit-frog-gif-5084362

[vagrant topaz]

@wanton copper want to ask your epic commanders to stop being condensing just because they don’t see or understand the problem doesn’t mean they need to be rude.

[trail shale]

Seriously, I'm beyond tired of it.

[wanton copper]

This means your base can't get raided, and peace shield drops if you attack another server

It's the same for everyone

The sheild doesn't stay up if they attack someone just as normal

[slate swift]

@wanton copper that is incorrect. I am in a lvl 19 system. and once my shield timed out I was raided within 5 minutes of it dropping by an invading force

[hollow flicker]

yea makes a lot of sense run a 1 day 24 hour event. during the week while people have to work. and claim the developer gave a fair and adequate time frame to earn them that sounds about right. oh and oh so fair. the chance to earn transfer tokens should be over multiple days weekend and weekday to give players who work shift work a fair shot. oh wait.. fair... no such thing in the developers mind.

[white bramble]

Who’s condescending? All I’m seeing is drama llamas that can’t seem to comprehend that this was a community idea that Scopley made possible 🙄

[wanton copper]

Correct, Peace sheilds work normally in sub 20 servers

meaning if your sheild drops, you can still get raided

[median frost]

"Community idea" is Scopely for "Asked for by Whales"

[white bramble]

It was over the weekend over 2 days so I don’t see your point here.

[distant steeple]

That’s the existing mechanic of shields.
If your shield timer runs out it’s not going to go back up.

[wanton copper]

Being in sub 20 doesn't mean you are untragetable it means that your shield isn't suppressed

[white bramble]

No it was asked for by any player

[trail shale]

We were told by Developers that sub 20 was opt out systems, with them being allowed in sub 20, this is NOT the case.

If invaders can still camp in sub 20, then really the whole thing truly is stupid, and we were all lied to about "opting out" of Incursions PvP by the development team.

[distant steeple]

Place a 1 day shield on and that should not be and issue.

[vagrant topaz]

That is and I didn’t tag you, I tagged @wanton copper

[hollow flicker]

so again your saying no players work weekend shifts?

[wanton copper]

It is a way to opt out. You can go into a sub 20 server, put on a peace shield, and not participate

But that doesn't mean if you go out into the system someone can't attack you

That is the same for non incursion events as well

[white bramble]

Not true I work weekends. It’s just about finding the time to complete the events

[median frost]

Not exactly true. You'll get your ass handed to you if you try to complete the battlepass

[distant steeple]

You seem to be confusing the words to suit your own viewpoint and don’t wish to hear otherwise.

[wanton copper]

This can happen during non Incursion events as well

[median frost]

Ok - let me rephrase - so many hunters will be waiting for people to try to finish their BP that it will take a long while to complete... certainly a lot of patience. Not being opted-out.

[wanton copper]

I'm ops 30 and got all my events done while invading the other server in less than an hour

[trail shale]

No words being twisted, literal definition being applied to a Developers words.

[distant steeple]

Opt out here was explained. Do you wish to hear it again?

[wanton copper]

Opt out means you can be safe and not participate

[trail shale]

"Move to a sub 20 system"

[wanton copper]

Opting out means going to sub 20 server and keeping your ships in their bays

[hollow flicker]

must be nice to have a job where you can support you family working 16 hours. sleeping 4 and gaming the rest. it is said that the game developers ignore all the ways people have to work to make dollars to be able to enjoy the game. thats all. you need equal shots on both weekend and weekday to earn the ability. thats all.

[trail shale]

I don't need it explained

[distant steeple]

Stick on a 1 day shield and that’s it.

[sonic robin]

Really? Because the general response I saw was that this was a terrible idea to just let some whales have another power trip

[wanton copper]

I'm sorry I just felt like there was potential confusion

[median frost]

If I keep my ships docked, how will I finish BP. Pick a definition.

[final viper]

This Is a joke some people don't like pvp

[distant steeple]

It would seem your continued inacceptance to be the contrary.

[white bramble]

Vocal minority

[wanton copper]

Regardless

[brittle idol]

@wanton copper One of the events for Incursion is impossible to do...6 hour time limit...Defensive Ops: All Out Defensive...requires people to go from both servers so show up in 2 systems to PVP in: Ajilon and Narendra...no one is going there, therefore can't get the event done. Meanwhile, if you PVP in other systems, doesn't count towards this event at all...Remove the requirement for it to be in those two systems.

[wanton copper]

I want to end this conversation here

I understand some people love the feature

Some of you hate it

[trail shale]

Some people despise unbalanced PvP... especially FORCED unbalanced PvP.

[wanton copper]

I think both sides are valid

Just like some events people love and other gate

Hate*

[visual holly]

yeah i would want to end it too if i were y ou

[distant steeple]

Or hate

[wanton copper]

There is no right or wrong opinion

[final viper]

It is a waste of time

[white bramble]

Yep I agree 🤷‍♂️ not much I can do about though

[wanton copper]

All feedback is great to have so we can continue to improve and adjust Infinite Incursions for future runs of the event

[vagrant topaz]

@wanton copper how am I supposed to do anything when up against this. My biggest ship tops 2.6 million

[wanton copper]

And I appreciate you all taking the time to reach out

[sonic robin]

Suuuuuuure....

[wanton copper]

I don't mind talking about the feature itself

But I don't want us targeting each other

[heavy escarp]

Worst event ever. Do not do more

[wanton copper]

We're one community

We all have different opions

And that's ok

I'll be timing out anyone regardless of title

[heavy escarp]

People leaving the game in droves

[wanton copper]

If they target another community memebr at this point

Talking about the feature and providing thoughts and feelings is totally fine

But it's not ok to attack one another

[final viper]

Most of my sever took a day off

[river merlin]

this will happen twice a month thats 24 days of vacation

[visual holly]

yes and normally when you release an event that some people like and some people hate, it doesn't overrun the rest of the game and you introduced an event that brings to the forefront the fact that until you fix pvp bracketing and power imbalance you can invent 1000000 variations of pvp events and they will still suck

[hollow flicker]

@wanton copper i really think the hate is not for the event, its more for the implementation.. my useless 2 cents.

[sonic robin]

The servers being so disparate in power doesn't help either

[wanton copper]

And if anyone has suggestions on how to improve the event in anyway I'm always happy to mark down the feedback and speak with the team about it

[river merlin]

for the folks that have to attack for the night shift its going to be great seeing everyone shielded and we cant get points

thanks scopely

💋

[wanton copper]

I just don't like seeing anyone attacked or feeling unheard

Everyone's feelings are valid

[trail shale]

https://tenor.com/view/your-trash-trash-can-trash-trash-bin-gif-15283224

[wanton copper]

And it's ok to disagree

[trail shale]

My suggestion

[wanton copper]

And I appreciate that NiceTry, but that makes it harder to make adjustments without thoughts on the event

[final viper]

@river merlin to bad it's not a paid vacation

[dry shadow]

pffft 83mil thats all??? try getting hit by this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/998776467724963871/999040026514043093/IMG_9816.png

[ivory orchid]

https://tenor.com/7USt.gif

[wraith zephyr]

Hey all the whales on our servers are sitting in the points scoring systems and killing us with the most powerful ships that don't give points for killing and don't give points for dying to. Is it a feature that I can't complete these SMS events?

[river merlin]

that looks fair and worth continuing to play the game

[visual holly]

incursions can't be fixed until you fix pvp.. there suggestion

[river merlin]

[little saffron]

having a sub-event that promotes raiding miners for their cargo is a waste if the event itself rewards damage to any source. Nothing lives long enough to have raidable cargo.

[rancid ermine]

What community? Can recall anyone asking us.

[vagrant topaz]

What !?!? Your station is over 102 mill…

[wanton copper]

Very interesting point, let me speak with the team about it

Appreciate it

[dry shadow]

not my station

but yes my station is over 100 mil

[median frost]

@wanton copper punching down a bracket to raid or for PvP should be penalized or not scored universally across events to prevent whales from lurking and sucking up all the points or simply making it no fun.

[rancid ermine]

Again... Most hate it. To quote a famous Vulcan "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Or in this case, the Whales.

[tawny hedge]

This has got to be the dumbest event I have ever seen.

[vagrant topaz]

*some.

[wanton copper]

I have seen a lot of people also praise it

I think there are just strong feelings for it and also against it

[vagrant topaz]

Try to remember the ones that enjoy it are in the game enjoying it.

[final viper]

If you have event's like the you don't need any more event's at the same time

[rancid ermine]

You can't improve if you don't listen.

[wanton copper]

I think this is a really cool idea, have different points associated for what you hit

Like with swarms or other hostiles for example

[vagrant topaz]

That’s great idea, keeps a 54 from hitting 37’s

[trail shale]

Not hard to read the room lol. My main issue is the concept of forced PvP in a totally unbalanced game. I havnt been silent on this matter... like ever.

[wraith zephyr]

The whales in our server are using ships that score no points (G3 Epics, our points only score up to Sarcophagus) in Ajilon or Narendra to murder everyone that comes in system. You can't kill them and get no points from dying to them. Makes completing those events impossible or not worth the constant repairs.

[trail shale]

And there not being a true "opt out".

[tawny hedge]

Forced PVP against a server that is older and has a lot more whales than us too

when does the fun start?

[final viper]

Feel your pain

It a joke

[vagrant topaz]

That’s why they aren’t in here praising it. Everyone in here isn’t having fun and are voicing their opinion. If it was fun I wouldn’t be here right now.

[tawny hedge]

I'm watching a line of whales sitting AFK while other whales throw discoveries into them repeatedly to complete the event.

[heavy escarp]

@wanton copper Incursions should be an opt-in event that gives points only for those who push the opt in button. You can add the same identifying circle to those who opt in, and provide negative points for those who attack players who did not opt in.

[tawny hedge]

if they want incursions it should have been an alternate dimension where you can send your bases to go fight away from the rest of us

[vagrant topaz]

Opt in to an empty server

[tawny hedge]

like a battle royale or something that doesn't impact people who hate it

[median frost]

@wanton copper Another constructive feedback... if you have other events that day outside of incursions, like the BP for today (especially BP), make those systems with special hostiles score zero points for incursions and explicitly calls it out. Have "safe harbors" for any mining based events. If you want events to promote people to go get stuff, exclude the safe harbors from the event. Just make sure there's enough safe harbors with enough mining nodes.

[heavy escarp]

You say feedback is important to you and Scopely but the vast majority of STFC players do not want this event at all

[dry shadow]

@wanton copper Scoring is not showing correctly here

[river merlin]

jeez they got 1 trillion

lol

[median frost]

Get them to post to discord or gather your own polling data and share.

[trail shale]

Seriously @wanton copper , if PvP were balanced in the first place, like we've been screaming about fixing for literal months if not years; I'd be in-game right now having fun, and so would probably alot of others right now literally saying Incursions is the worst idea... the unbalanced PvP MADE incursions that bad idea.

[rancid ermine]

Here's your perfect suggestion. Utilize the Mirror Universe and let everyone who wants to participate in the event go there and PvP (or Whale v. Whale) to their heart's content. That way everyone gets what they want and is happy.

[wanton copper]

I think there are lots of ways we can look at the events to potentially improve the event

[river merlin]

bro i forgot they never released mirror stuff

🤣

[wanton copper]

I personally love the idea about having different points for different ships

[median frost]

Ooooh - a third server middle ground. Would certainly cut down on lag. Event prizes would have to be pretty awesome.

[wanton copper]

So if you have someone say x levels lower than you, you get 0 points for events

And if you hit higher you get more poitns

Just like other hostile hunt events

Something I've already reached out to the team about

And this is great feedback

[slate swift]

and that should be 5 or less levels

[wanton copper]

For the record, I never will mind someone yelling at me

Or saying they hate an event

It's great we all have our opinions

I just don't want anyone attacking one another

[visual holly]

getting closer.. this should be applied across ALL PVP

[trail shale]

Hitting a player whom has opted out of incursions: -20 pts.

[wanton copper]

Oh negative points could also be really interesting

[median frost]

I agree - any pvp events should have a model like this.

[wanton copper]

no idea if that's even possible

[slate swift]

should be more like -200000000000000000000000

points

[wanton copper]

But something I'm happy to ask

[heavy escarp]

Scopely ignores the masses in favor of the whale. Even if thats 1 whale per 1000 players

[wanton copper]

I don't think this is true, I've had a lot of people dming me images that are around my level and say they love the event

[vagrant topaz]

That doesn’t mean others aren’t enjoying it. Stop projecting. Articulate your issues and stop screaming that everyone hates it when the overwhelming evidence is there is at best a fairly even split.

[vagrant topaz]

Or full Mbenga unlock

[wanton copper]

I think there are just people that love PvP and those that don't

[vagrant topaz]

When you have someone with a ship bigger your base they absolutely lose points

[wanton copper]

And there are always ways to improve

Again this is the first time we've run this event

[heavy escarp]

I think Scopely overestimated how many people like it.

[wanton copper]

And also amazing to see the tech side of things (going to another server and back) work the way it does

[vagrant topaz]

PvP is great, if its fair

[trail shale]

It went from a silent majority to a 50/50 split real quick... only took 20 minutes 😆

[wanton copper]

So it will be amazing to see what we can do in the future

I personally LOVE PvP

[visual holly]

you dont have PVP, other games have reasonable lvl and power restrictions to make it PVP and target vs infinite power

[vagrant topaz]

Not true at all, again, stuff your projecting.

[wanton copper]

Hd please don't attack others for their opinons

Same Keeptrying

[rancid ermine]

Grossly

[wanton copper]

I think no one likes to be the odd one out

[vagrant topaz]

Most my alliance is offline and not participating because this isn’t fun the way it’s working.

[wanton copper]

if it's a room of everyone hating it

[heavy escarp]

Just have them look at activity stats. I can guarantee usership is down today and for all days in this event

[median frost]

Would love to see it, but a scoring fail on prep events or something put too many of us in the "buy it" realm. And I'd rather buy the battlepass on payday, which is not today.

[wanton copper]

Then the people that love it aren't going to say anything

[visual holly]

do you really, honestly expect us to believe that you "love" pvp that allows things like 28s vs 40s

[vagrant topaz]

I’m not, I’m the one being attacked. Again.

[vagrant topaz]

I have a 2.5 mill ship and I have someone with an 84 million ship. I can’t do anything against that and it’s not fun.

[wanton copper]

I love PvP as a concept

All my favorite games are PvP based

Starcraft 2, street fighter, Counter Strike

I play PvP games in my free time

[fleet citrus]

When the other server is massively stronger than us, the event isn’t fun. There’s not much we can do but shield or risk getting stomped on.

[wanton copper]

Not everyone feels the same way

[slate swift]

PvP has to be even... like battle royal in Fortnight... everyone starts out even...

[wraith zephyr]

My suggestion then would be to make sure there are no combat ships exempt from scoring points in the pvp systems. The whole point of going there is to score points, and it's silly that the most powerful ships can just cause you aggravation instead

[vagrant topaz]

And yet, your scores suggest you’re still in with a fighting chance.

[slate swift]

then they have to gather resources and then their skill is what puts them on top

[vagrant topaz]

I’ve flagged that there are “opportunities” around pairing servers that could be explored.

[visual holly]

do you play any where people 35 lvls above you can gain anything at all from swatting you down?

[strange flame]

But those other games don’t cause people who don’t want to participate to have to stop playing while pvp is happening. Incursions is just plain wrong from start to finish and whoever created it should be fired

[wanton copper]

Skill also comes into play though, that doesn't mean everyone is even

yes gear matters

But skill is something that also makes advantages that you can't always guage

[vagrant topaz]

Yes. Their miners go boom nicely too.

[wanton copper]

I play WoW arena where people have way more gear than me all the time

[clear estuary]

Big thing for me is that I was unable to get anything to raid the other server, as our IMS was already finished when I logged in

[wanton copper]

Not exactly the same

But similar

[trail shale]

Eco.. the "skill" here in STFC is just having disposable income....

[vagrant topaz]

Ouch 😬

[visual holly]

you do not play wow arenas where the powe difference is anywhere close to this game and you know it

[fleet citrus]

PvP can be fun, if it’s evenly matched. But, this game isn’t close to doing that. When a player with a ship five times my size, or more, can attack me. That’s not fun.

[median frost]

I see where you're going... but right now the wallets of the whales make skill hard to see. It needs to be more even.

[wraith zephyr]

I don't even care that whales are destroying me, just make sure they can't grief by using their power advantage to deny me PvP points

[wanton copper]

I've literally gotten one shot by a sepsis rouge in 1.5 seconds with someone that had 20k more health than me

[vagrant topaz]

Not true; it helps for sure but we’ve had F2Ps keep spenders honest for years

[wanton copper]

I would say that is similar, but you're right. It is different

[visual holly]

yeah you have and they have been in your POWER MATCHED bracket

[wanton copper]

Regardless, I understand PvP is something that we can always look to improve on

[trail shale]

Cool. Stop pointing out the rarities as though they are common place.

[wraith zephyr]

I'll lose ships all day long if it at least lets me finish the event and earn rewards

[wanton copper]

It's all based on rating. If someone is high rating in 3v3 but 0 rating in 2v2 I can go against them

[ripe sierra]

What sucks is getting killed by a ship above class and getting zero points for it. Killed by an enterprise, great. Killed by a Valdore? NO POINTS FOR YOU HAHA

[wanton copper]

Reagrdless

I understand it doesn't feel good to be the one that is helpless and feels like they don't have a fighting chance

[trail shale]

It's by design here..

[fleet citrus]

The biggest improvement would be to reduce the lvl gap at which players can attack another.

[wanton copper]

And talking about the event structure and how Incrusions are set out is something I'm happy to do

[tawny hedge]

I find it funny that the event incentivizes losing, which in turn hurts the rest of the server

[wanton copper]

And there has been a lot of good feedback

[visual holly]

in any event, you can pretend that wow having arenas with one on one battles that are entereted into and attempted to have power matching is the same thing as pvp in this game, but you know very well it isn't

[median frost]

Which is most F2P or BP-only spenders.

[vagrant topaz]

Bear in mind that this may not be malice.

[ripe sierra]

Getting killed by bigger ships sgoild count for something

[vale shore]

this is more than "feels like i don't have a chance">

[vagrant topaz]

There are plenty of people who I am fairly sure need help getting dressed.

[vagrant topaz]

Not going to disagree but the only thing I can do against this is hide. When there are players that are so overpowering and overwhelming that I can’t do anything the game isn’t fun. Having a 84 million ship rip through 26 million station isn’t fun. It’s frustrating and discouraging that I can’t play a game and have fun because I don’t spend money, and I have to go hide because I’m so out classed.

[wanton copper]

We are always looking to improve and this is the first time we've done this

[vagrant topaz]

What is worse is that the badly matched incursions, the winner gets heaps more relays which compounds the problem next time

[wanton copper]

The feedback is extremely valuable

[noble citrus]

Lotssssssss of lag and lots of folks reportedly missing tokens

[ripe sierra]

Yes it is a mere accident by scopely

[little saffron]

Mining isn't possible in what's supposedly an 'opt-in' event. Ditto armadas. (God forbid this had been an event on a day where you needed to kill eclipse for battle pass.) Large ships are farming the ops event zones under their level for free points. PVP in general is very static, no strategy beyond crew and time invested.

[heavy escarp]

Oh, also, the 1 system available for thr SMS where the invading server is avoiding like the plague means none of us get to complete thr SMS

[visual holly]

you've been doing imbalanced, overmatched pvp brackets for years... (not you personally) but it makes pvp a joke

[wanton copper]

Totally understand, and is something I'm happy to ask about

I'll see if I can get some info and make a big post about it

My idea is to try and get stats, numbers, damage delt, graphs etc

And talk about how we may want to adjust for the future

[vagrant topaz]

Nah; fwiw I will most likely be pushing that defeats should be universal scoring for eligible ships, but the players on many servers are incapable of following instructions like “with x officer as captain” or mining with an actual mining crew.

[ripe sierra]

AT LEAST GIVE US POINTS FOR AN OVERMATCH LOSS!

[wanton copper]

I think that would be really awesome to see as a community

[rancid ermine]

@eco There seems to be a fairly large opinion here that this event is a catastrophe. That may not have been the intention but it is the reality. In my case, I haven't come here to complain before. There have been tons of things along they way I didn't like. Those, however, we're not completely disruptive to regular game play. This is. And it is the fatal flaw of the event. That is the core of why I, and so many others, are upset.

[vagrant topaz]

Hell, we have a Lv45 player who mines with a warship.

[wanton copper]

I think we have a very low sample size here unfortunately

[median frost]

What if your VIPs don't approve? Whales going to vote down balanced PvP, methinks.

[vagrant topaz]

@wanton copper. I don’t mind opinions but this is not helpful or constructive either.

[wanton copper]

It would be better to put out a survey

[tawny hedge]

Make sure you keep an eye on how many people decide to leave

[wanton copper]

And try and get more info that wayu

[vagrant topaz]

24 hours of no mining didn’t create this level of drama from APAC who had their run during lat rush. That’s not to diminish concerns, but there’s totally a different approach coming from somewhere 🤷🏻‍♂️

[median frost]

Yeah, but how much of that may be more cultural?

[ripe sierra]

I dont mind losing but getting some points. I do mind getting NO POINTS when a too-big ship kills me

[gilded warren]

Oh i will be happy give you feedback on incursions. Wont stop you continuing this even when out 10 it gets zero

[vagrant topaz]

Don’t know. They’re humans still, and their events / targets are the same.

Maybe they have more pent up pew pew in them.

[rancid ermine]

True, but from discussions on servers and alliances, I believe it is quite representative. To be fair, Scopely could do a survey to get a more representative sample.

[vagrant topaz]

Maybe they just won’t say anything.

[wanton copper]

I think the big takeaways for this first event is to get data and feedback from the whole community to understand concerns and what we can do to iprove

I'm willing to bet there will be an official survey in the future

[rancid ermine]

That we can agree on

[wanton copper]

Me personally, I'm going to speak with the team about what other events are running alongside Incrusion

[vagrant topaz]

This is important.

[trail shale]

Give it time... everyone's not home from work yet... you've got a busy night ahead of you m8. No envy, but I expect the consensus to stay the same; Incursions should never have been before PvP was balanced. Neat idea, but built on a foundation of participation whether the players wants to or not, to be allowed to be hit by vastly overpowered players, where that happens daily already, when we've screamed for ever that PvP needs to be balanced = Bad.

Scrub it, balance PvP, try again some time much later.

[wanton copper]

And also seeing what can be done about giving more points to someone that gets destroyed by a big ship, and less points for the opposite

[vagrant topaz]

Just dont run during an ARC

[wanton copper]

I'm not sure how possible these things are currenlty

[median frost]

This is what I meant by a cultural thing. Also curious as to how whale heavy and how much history they have with the game. Some of this venting here is purely historical displeasure with how things seem tipped towards the spenders.

[wanton copper]

But these are the things that I'm going to be asking

[little saffron]

I don't know what the APAC servers were saying, but that's pretty clearly one of the complaints here.

[vagrant topaz]

Exactly the same feedback from APAC

[worn shadow]

all my ships are in dry dock.

[visual holly]

you are proceeding from the idea that a big and small ship are in the same league so that is even possible.. right now brackets are so large that big and small are miles apart

[wanton copper]

I would disagree

[hollow flicker]

hey echo on our servers the bigs are not even caring about scoring they are just hunting rss.. the heck with the event.. that's what we are seeing.

[vagrant topaz]

🤷🏻‍♂️ dailies are done 12h apart from events, so you get 12h each side of incursions each day to mine.

[wanton copper]

I had way more Dms and people saying how much they enjoyed it from APAC

[vagrant topaz]

It’s still not a solution particularly in 4* nodes

But there’s a way around it for some/most.

[thorn estuary]

This event is a ridiculous. The pvp sms event is not giving my points

[trail shale]

Judge the complaints received, by region, based on spending and overall power level.

You'll find something interesting me thinks...

[vagrant topaz]

8 servers in APAC is hardly representation

[ripe sierra]

Lose to Enterprise-- 54k points. Lose to Valdore? ZERO POINTS! WHY?

[autumn wadi]

It was aggravating as heck and a bunch of people did not complete what they normally would have.

[thorn estuary]

And I don't have tokens to transfer servers. Stuck behind paywall

[vagrant topaz]

Out of context post. Please don’t try to manipulate what I’m saying to suit your vendetta.

[median frost]

This is a fair point. Any survey should include how much someone usually spends on the game if the survey is not already linked to their account.

[wise marsh]

Awful event. I’m forced into trying to defend my base, wound up having to move. You should have to do something to join the event.

[vagrant topaz]

Ok; you’ve said this, I’ve agreed, you’ve said it again, I’ve agreed; cmon, let’s move on.

[wanton copper]

Again the feedback is great and we all have our thoughts and feelings

[thorn estuary]

I agree worst event ever

[wanton copper]

I'll speak speakcing with the team so we can hopefully make it better in the future and will be looking at the feedback and data for future events

[brittle idol]

@wanton copper Recommendation is to run Incursion during the off week between BattlePass Events so that people can still play the game and focus on that and then opt out if they want during the Incursion and take a 24 hour vacation

[wanton copper]

The event this time may not change, but it doesn't mean it won't chagne in the future

[vagrant topaz]

Not an idea I’m against myself.

[wise marsh]

Does anyone else hate this event like I do?

[wanton copper]

Happy to take it to the team!

[median frost]

I for one don't expect changes today. the wheels are in motion.

[vagrant topaz]

The big concern I’ve always had with incursions is people camping the BP/event system, mining, eclipse etc, just to troll.

[thorn estuary]

Paywall for tokens is just wrong I can't even participate

[vagrant topaz]

Please provide the context, I made sure to include your entire comment. A person ability to enjoy a game should have nothing to do with physical capabilities

Can't wait to log into Discord tomorrow after the EU incursion

[alpine topaz]

@wanton copper the server we were paired with, 39, is the saddest thing ever. Maybe 30 players. 2 alliances with 15-20 actives in the 30s and 40s. One guy said they never had more than 100 players. They desperately need a home. Please hotlist them for a merge. We could definitely take them in, as theirs are all around our size.

[white bramble]

They were given in an IMS last week

[vagrant topaz]

The context is that there are people on all servers who do things that beggar belief, and that they may not be in killing people with the wrong ships out of malice. I’ve seen people using Valdores and Kelvins trying to do Jelly Brawl.

[clear estuary]

And it didn't even give it to half the players on my server

[median frost]

Yes, and all of the events were essentially spend events.

[white bramble]

That would be because they didn’t score towards it.

[thorn estuary]

I have completed every milestone event never got any token

[vagrant topaz]

Very few*

[vagrant topaz]

Here’s an easier solution, I’ll just block you and then I don’t have to see comments where you insult the physical ability of others

[white bramble]

Standard reward set up like AMS and ALB’s

[white bramble]

There was a Dom event

[vagrant topaz]

Ok; I shaln’t miss you.

[clear estuary]

We had a ridiculous low score, so when I logged on 45 minutes after reset, it was already completed

[little saffron]

I mean, yeah, 'you can do it later/tomorrow' is an answer, but not a great one? "Here is a chunk of time where you effectively cannot play the game" is not great event design. Also, doesn't deal with the event coming up on eclipse kill days.

[thorn estuary]

Tokens should have been a gift or part of battle pass

[clear estuary]

What am I supposed to do? Wait around till reset so I can make sure?

[strong anchor]

I have alliance mates who have zero tokens to go to the server.

[vagrant topaz]

Kinda exactly what I said 😆

[white bramble]

Even if it’s been completed if you score something towards it, it will still count

[median frost]

And if the refinery was fixed earlier in the week, it may have been possible. We were bled dry last month. Bigger picture look at the events is kind of needed.

[vagrant topaz]

Does it? 👀

I thought you had to do it before the end

[clear estuary]

Nope, nothing. Once it was completed, that was it, nothing for me and lots of others

[white bramble]

You could have built a ship 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant topaz]

I know it went for days and almost all servers needed all of it 😆

[white bramble]

I completed it after it was done and I have my rewards 🤔

[median frost]

Didn't have the BPs, spent them the month prior or during the break for CoW.

[white bramble]

If you scored towards it and got nothing put a ticket to CS #👽-how-to-contact-support even if it’s been a week try and see what they say

[clear estuary]

Well, me and others in my server must just be out of luck

[vagrant topaz]

Ouch.

Let me sweet talk Eco.

[paper knot]

I used to have 10 Incursion Conduits from the Incursions prep events. I haven't spent any. Now I have none. I guess Scopely just took them?

[strong anchor]

How were my teammates supposed to get tokens to participate? They’ve completed entire BP so far + elite.

[median frost]

A number of complaints from very active complete it all players with this same complaint. I opened a ticket at 12:35 and it still hasn't been responded to.

[gilded warren]

@Eco your not actually acknowledging that leading up to incursions. We had daily events which werent working, was this loading servers with incursions. ??

[white bramble]

Like I suggested put in a ticket. I already passed this on. Once you get a ticket number pass it on to Eco in dm and hopefully this can be sorted

[gilded warren]

Daily bugs seem to be the normal not the exception now

[thorn estuary]

I completed every milestone event and I also don't have tokens

[wise marsh]

All this event was for me was level50 s raiding 1B steel while I was at the doctors office. It stinks.

[vagrant topaz]

Incursion prep event

[strong anchor]

Okay so I should tell everyone who doesn’t have Incursion Conduits to take it up with Customer Support? 🤦‍♀️

[vagrant topaz]

Or to be honest with themselves as to whether they contributed to the IMS, yes, I’m afraid.

[subtle berry]

Maybe some better rewards for incursions? I'll probably get enough rewards to level my new building from 1 to 2.... woo hoo...

[vagrant topaz]

I know a few people that just went “don’t care, it’ll be rubbish anyway, won’t be doing it” and are now curious having seen the fairly positive feedback from APAC’s run.

[vagrant topaz]

My understanding is the SMSs are fairly lucrative; what Ops are you and what are the rewards?

[clear estuary]

Thanks. Opened a ticket and will message Eco to 👍

[strong anchor]

What did they have to do beyond building the Subspace Relay? I don’t remember where my conduits came from. I had enough to go 2x, went once so far.

[vagrant topaz]

There were a few contributing events that put points into the IMS, and building a ship worked.

The new building wasn’t part of the scoring.

[white bramble]

It wasn’t about building the building it was about completing the SMS’s or building a ship

😬😬😬 sorry HD

[vagrant topaz]

No worries mate.

[strong anchor]

🤦‍♀️

[paper knot]

Yes, I did contribute to the IMS ... as I said, I did earn 10 Incursion Conduits, and I did have them, but they're now gone.

[thorn estuary]

What he said

[vagrant topaz]

Did you pop over? 😬

[white bramble]

Put a ticket into CS and see what they say as they can check the server logs

[vagrant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-sam-jackson-shook-shocked-scary-gif-5260044

But yeah, what he said.

If you raise it with CS, they can see what’s happened.

I am aware it is time sensitive; there is not much I can say to that.

[dry mantle]

I understand the difficulty in this ask but it would be very helpful if when we transfer servers for incursions to only show the purple person in the system map if they are on the same server, ortherwise if not possible can we just hide them when transferring?

[vagrant topaz]

Oooh, good shout.

[thorn estuary]

It's clear there is a lot of confusion over the tokens. I for one believe I should have them. Maybe scopley should do the right thing and just give out the tokens before the event is over.

[dry mantle]

curious what ops you are

[lament ridge]

Lot of folks in my fleet that did all events but have no crossover tokens.

[visual holly]

true no one below 25 has the tokens

[thorn estuary]

I'm ops 43

[noble citrus]

Can't do anything in the other server without the game crashing at this point

[dry mantle]

darn, there goes my theory

[gilded warren]

Be nice as another problem you sort this b4 eu gets the joy of incursions being able go to opposite server. With incursions conduits

[buoyant shard]

Sms rewards and server wide win reward is garbage. XSLB rewards are OK

[vagrant topaz]

@lusty girder sorry to drag you in here but does this tally with your experience?

[buoyant shard]

1 shard, parsteel, and 56 uc ore 28 rare ore

[river merlin]

small

lol

[buoyant shard]

Total ops 38

[river merlin]

compared to the stuff you lose

1 shard

[median frost]

that just tells me it's tailored for the higher ops players. ops 39 sms rewards were very... meh.

[river merlin]

ouch

i lost zero cuz i havnt done anything but watch whales

😄

[vagrant topaz]

I was hoping to have my Hydra done by tomorrow so I could have no trit to scoop 🤣

[gilded warren]

I guess if they didnt do the prep for incursions they wont have invasion conduits

[vagrant topaz]

Correct

[sage steeple]

I have not participated. I am not going to participate. I moved to a sub 19 system and put a shield up. That is my event feedback. This event offers no reward worth having for me personally. The pvp banding in this game is so ridiculous that it makes it a matter of who has the biggest ship. You might be super amazed and impressed with the tech involved in making this work @wanton copper but that doesn't make it a compelling event. Last week when the first attempt went down in flames @tropic ibex talked about how excited everyone was with the tech and how hopeful they were to get everything ironed out. It appears that was mostly successful, but that doesn't make it a good or fun event. More like a tech demo.

My hope is that in the future there is a better way to opt out besides just shielding up and not playing at all.

[dawn glacier]

Over all - incursions not so good. Couldn't find any bases to loot after the 1st hour. Higher level ops players would park ships in the lower level ops players SMS areas that didn't count for our points and kill us over and over. Difficult to help those with some medical challenges understanding what's going on and the timing of needing to move, shield, and move again. There has to be a better way.

[high loom]

Despite all the warnings ppl didn't listen or understand why their shields dropped off. A far better idea would be cross server territories limiting pvp to set zones on a schedule

[dry mantle]

set zones are boring

[charred hill]

Scores need to be displayed with formatted numbers. No commas or separators is seriously bad

[sage steeple]

I've seen the suggestion made that you send people to a separate universe to participate in this event. I think that is a good one. Make it an opt in event rather than shield up and do nothing to opt out.

[high loom]

Set zones are only boring to ppl that live for pvp. Most players do limited pvp and some are talking about quitting the game over this

[dry mantle]

i hate pvp and zones are still boring

[late python]

Would be a better event if it was fair for everyone.

[languid ice]

If the SMS rewarded the subspace relay upgrades, you’d have more participation.

[vagrant topaz]

Set zones for PvP just means the whales park up and scoop plankton.

Open means that you will most likely find an unwilling victim.

[high loom]

A cross server territory opening up lucrative zones to the server that ownes and blocking out the other dozen servers that dont would give the pvp guys a goal

[vagrant topaz]

The circle of life completes when you’re found as an unwilling victim.

[high loom]

In a cross server territory, the whales would w8n the zone for the little people

[buoyant shard]

It's great having these float around everywhere pvping everything. FUN for all

[sterile wigeon]

I'll admit I actually kind of enjoyed the event as a defender first round and I expected to hate it. I never pvp and don't know the first thing about it. There's been way too much confusion around these tokens though - I could've sworn I participated during the IMS and received something last week, but have no tokens now. Not a clue. Dealing with CS is too much of a barrier so I'll just let it go. I refuse to drop real money to go to another server to die a bunch. Three crossovers for $20 is steep.

[shell kettle]

This event is trash, anyone who pays $20 or more, to get crossover tokens... just to go to another server and get slapped around by whales, is dumb as hell.

I'm not paying real money to entertain whales for you Scopley... lmao

[high loom]

My argument is for the ppl that play this as a farming game and how to make this inclusive and not a way for whales to trash thm. A cross server te4ritory system where each server tries to conquer a territory for 5heir server locking all others out would be whale on whale fight where all on wining server win

[vagrant topaz]

@wanton copper I noticed just now that I have got 108 tetryons from the bp, since the tetryons can be spent only on cloak and the price is fixed to 25-30-35-etc. what should I do with those 3 spare tetryons? It is so annoying getting things that you can't spend, like the 7 spare event tickets that I got from a past event, completely useless since you spend them 10 at a time, and you get them in multiples of 10, and things like this happens with almost any special event currency, some of it remains unspent in our inventories and will stay there till the end of time, please say to the team to fix their math

[wise marsh]

I don’t understand this event at all. It just means I get raided

[shell kettle]

All the rewards for this event are garbage. I raided some dude on my own server who forgot about event, didn't bubble. Made almost 100billion in rss (trit and steel). Wayyy better than these event rewards x10

[rich orbit]

not gettin what i raided

not getting points for losing in adelphi either during defence

didnt get, sorry

[dry shadow]

not getting any SMS pts

[thin void]

Stuck trying to return home 😦

[manic estuary]

Is anyone getting defense sms points now?

[dry shadow]

I'm not

[manic estuary]

I finally have event started 90 min late

[keen dune]

You event stinks. All I get is scanning then it restarts. Cannot do a thing. Terrible !!!

[prisma flower]

@wanton copper SvS - APAC 188 - 201 - Scopely need to sort out your server matching process. A lot of active players could not participate due to the PvP imposed limits. If the server your against has a majority of lower level players (90% lvl 20-35) vs a majority of higher level players (lvl 39 - 60) it is really tough for those higher level players to participate. Also, the game scoring mechanic was not real time and therefore out of sync with the actual incursion. This lag was inconsequential to the end result however should not happen. The event itself was ok, mechanics worked, station migration good, chats, helps, etc all good but still a frustrating exercise in a lot of scanning and not much action. I would suggest increase of PvP lvl limits between warring servers. Regards - Frustrated Borg

[gentle bluff]

Infinite Incursions is a Bulling festival, which serves only low level players, who do not let low level lis play, they deeply disappoint me, they do not allow me to play and as a retaliation I will stop buying battle passes and other of their priductis until Get rid of this rubbish.
You are the cause of bullying.

[reef verge]

The whales are going to run out of krill.

[tall saffron]

I'd like to report that Invasion Conduits disappeared from inventory

[atomic imp]

Is that salt because 201 won?

Though the mismatch is pretty significant

[prisma flower]

Not at all Tee - well played by 201 - I’m trying to suggest improvements to the experience for all lvls of players

[trail adder]

Fuster cluck . Can’t attack without game crashing. Rings to appear until you’ve already attacked your own team mates. Horrible .

[atomic imp]

Yeah I'm mid 30's ops so I was just getting constantly smashed if I unshielded. I used up hella big amounts of repair speed ups to get BP done.

I think a mining bp event and an incursion event together is poor form though. Our smalls were upset that they couldn't get the bp event done

[crude arch]

SO THE TRANSFER TOKENS YOU GAVE US LAST WEEK HAVE MAGICALLY DISAPPEARED FROM OUR ACCOUNTS..... THANKS SCOPELY!

[hollow flicker]

I agree, Incursion event days should coincide with combat missions only.

[ivory storm]

I'm from 77 and the game is lagging so bad, can't even send a ship from base.

[lethal moss]

Some feedback I have is maybe don’t make a sms for something that some players may not be able to do like invade, I can’t invade due to a glitch not giving me the rewards

[ivory storm]

And I'm a small, it's giving away points and pretty messed up to not hold off events that have us smalls needing to travel around just to get blown up by invaders

[hollow flicker]

you can invade - for only 19.99.... you get free pixel explosions to boot...

[trail adder]

It’s an event designed for whales

[lethal moss]

I can’t invade due to a glitch lol not cuz I don’t want to spend money

[hollow flicker]

Sar cas im..... lol

[lethal moss]

Lol sorry; been a day

[hollow flicker]

my event for the day has been watching stfc discord.. fairly entertaining along with moments of insight and enlightenment.

[prisma flower]

Actually it’s tailored well around the 20-35 lvl player, raid and OPC hunt

[hollow flicker]

no its not.. cause the 44 through 47s wipe the 30 - 35s out... you cant do anything. so no its not tailored. its for players with the most expensive ships to run around willy nilly and blow everything up and take what they want from poor people who are offline and didnt know about the event say put up a 30 day shield and went on vacation or put up a 30 day shield while in the hospital. ... thats what it was.

[thin void]

Having accounts get stuck when returning is a big problem

[pulsar robin]

More than one server came to 13

[edgy elk]

@wanton copper The SMS rewards for Incursions are absolutely lame, especially for the hype and the risk. Parsteel? Come on, man. If I all needed was Parsteel, I would be 3 levels higher and halfway thru a 4th. Add to that the uc and rare ore rewards are roughly equal to a good day at the refinery roulette wheel. If you expect me to move my base to another server and risk my resources in pvp against whales, I need an epic reward to make it worthwhile.

[mighty star]

Eco, I take all his steel rewards ! Dont throw it away

[mighty star]

So can you choose which of the two servers to invade?

[patent river]

Despite all the warnings. The amount of folks in gc chat wondering why their shield failed. Scopes was your major intent for this event to bleed off rss? Repairs alone... needs another event besides the solo sms. Maybe it's protect a miner in a system. Miners could score pts aka lower lvl folks. As it stands now it's just a whale rush. A specific ship to system pvp. It's just choas right now, for lil reward.

[crimson lake]

Just uninstall this game for the whales.

[mental robin]

"Why did my shields fail?" - ppl who haven't been paying any attention for weeks on end

[buoyant shard]

Why don't these casual gamers take the hint and just leave already, amiright?

[prisma flower]

Whilst I feel for the player in that specific situation (30 day shield) they could raise a ticket with Scopely support to assist them. As for the other, swings and roundabouts. 30-35 can hit bigger and raid bigger by being active within their alliance and server. This is a basic game mechanic for the incursion event. I wish they could hit higher, hence my original suggestion.

[wanton copper]

Interesting, I'll check on this!

[buoyant shard]

Dumbest thing Ive seen in this game and there is a long list You have to have played an event 10 days ago to participate today.

[final viper]

People are quiting the game over this 🤣

Good job

[distant gyro]

Fantastic job ! Best event ever . Ran quite well , in fact almost flawless.. looking forward to more 👊👊👊

[patent river]

Well def ones that thought they were safe behind a shield. Imagine their surprise.

[distant gyro]

Incursions for the win!

Lvl 42 f2p here and had a great time

[strange cliff]

Plenty being said, but I'm not a fan of these incursions. There is no point or objective other than allow he who hath the bigger ship to smack down the little guy. For those that don't want to participate, they can't escape it. Was amazing to see the trolls hit UPC miners lower level franklin's trying to work dailies. This thing is an epic fail.

[ancient jay]

@wanton copper This event is a flop. Lower players are basically getting the message of, "too bad for you, don't screw it up for the higher people, shield for a day and log off." What were you expecting sub lv25 to do? Knit scarves? Making people pay for tokens to participate is a horrible money gate. Allowing the other server in GC is ridiculous. Where are you expecting people to coordinate across alliances?

[distant gyro]

I finished all my events, daily’s, raided about 5 billion in rss and completed all incursion events . Can’t see how a reasonable player did not enjoy this

[hidden needle]

@wanton copper with all the problems this event has had. Why didnt the players get a gift of conduits so players can complete the sms? It would have encouraged more pvp.

[potent oracle]

We got two conduits for free🤷🏻‍♂️

From an event awhile ago

[hidden needle]

and it cost 10

each time

[potent oracle]

Sorry we got 20 tokens for 2 trips

[hidden needle]

and 4 events

[potent oracle]

You go back home for free

So you travel back twice, there’s your two trips

You’re also not going to stay up for 24 hrs so 🤌🤌🤌

[hidden needle]

my server is attacking the last 4 hrs... kinda have to

Still the territory PVP event we had honestly feel like it was better than this.. more of a confined space instead of feeling like struggling to play like we are

[errant belfry]

yep... definitely should have a separate chat for the visitors

[ebon olive]

I am stuck in limbo. Have uninstalled and reloaded stfc. Unable to load past 82%. Help!!!!

[patent river]

The only fun thing about visitors is they're more fun to hit than reds. Tighter brackets and dedicated system for pvp scoring. No reason super whales need to troll another lower brackets pvp system.

[broken flint]

Not liking this incursion event.
The pvp brackets are completely off the mark. There has been no way to defend against such high level player from the other server. The whole day has been let anyone 40+ be out and about anyone else, well you might as well turtle for the day or you are going to have your face pushed in. The pvp brackets in general need to change let alone for an event like this. It has not been that fun of a day really for anyone. My server spent several weeks planning and setting up coordination for defense and attack, but that all means nothing when the OPs level is so high it out passes the top player. I thought the servers were suppose to be matched by basic overall level for balance. The chat system should be been augmented to add a temp 4th tab that was an "invader" tab for those who were off their mother server. And again, there is no reason a level 46 should be able to hit a level 32.

[gentle gust]

It shows I need a pass to crossover ☹️

[full crescent]

My game is stuck.

on all devices

[ebon olive]

I am a level 39 and tried to use token for incursion event. My game did not make the jump. Will not load. Have am concerned about my station. Should be safe for 24 hr but screwed after that. Need help

SAR my problem us the same.

[noble citrus]

Oh good sms not scoring now

[wanton copper]

We're investigating this right now! There were a few others that had this same issue

[wanton copper]

Believe it's just a scoring delay! Could you let me know if the events start scoring please?

[full crescent]

Thank you

[ebon olive]

This is 3 hrs now that I have NOT been able to get unstuck!