💣-arena-feedback

[spice edge]

Could be worse, could have got me. I keep trying to get Ugly in our Alliance ones, he needs to get up to Plat.

Should be doable, take the 49 down first. They're gold, they don't know what they're doing.

[brave yoke]

Seriously? How broken are Arenas?

[chrome turret]

scopely ever gonna make some kinda timeout where party leaders who arent ready/afk gonna have party disband?

[hazy basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[honest nacelle]

Well, I'm finished with arena's for tonight. The lag was certainly real, but scopely couldn't slow me down!

[timid kelp]

They are all completely mismatched

Scoplied again

[hazy basin]

We used to call that getting Samba'ed

[timid kelp]

Wow...they got the censorship on overdrive

heheheh...that worked

[rich cove]

Absolutely

Random selected

[timid kelp]

Scopley Support: Oh, we'll get right on that.......sips coffee

[rich cove]

Lol..

Yup

But yeah I feel ya

[timid kelp]

Glad someone does.....it's been so long.....

lmao

jk

[rich cove]

I'm admiral of my group...yup they ain't happy

Contending op 70 players at op 50 60...yup..bad random selection

[timid kelp]

It's terrible

[rich cove]

Totally

So ya know we ain't win,n

Lol

[timid kelp]

I had a 45 and myself 45 and a 49, they paired us with 2x 50's and a 47.....w t etire f?

[rich cove]

Totally unfair

Yup

[timid kelp]

ROUND AFTER ROUND

[rich cove]

Think we've won 2 out 100..🤣

[timid kelp]

Yeah, sounds about the same

[proven trout]

1,495,897,300 = 3 players power Vs 1401157000 = 1Player
Why do you guys even pretend that you are making matches instead of mismatches?

[rich cove]

Scopely will blame it on a bug

Lol

[timid kelp]

Yup...that's absolute trash

I would have more fun crazy gluing my johnson to the bullet train

[rich cove]

Total

[subtle hearth]

just a curiosity driven question, when you get this unbalanced matches, if there were no available matches close to your level would you rather sit watching a waiting screen or go ahead with the unbalanced match? again, just pure curiosity here

[timid kelp]

Wait of course...you can leave the matching screen

As Rams said, 2 out of 100......how fair is that?

I've been between silver 2 and 3 for weeks now, 1 because I don't have time on Monday nights to do this sheet and 2 because of the mismatches

[subtle hearth]

might be an idea to suggest a mechanic where you could opt out of non-ideal matches if your brackets don't have enough players going

arenas are one of those lovely content gems i have yet to experience personally and a valid reason to stay at 39

[timid kelp]

How about the engineers fix the agorithm and match properly?

[subtle hearth]

i think we both know the odds of that happening ^^

[timid kelp]

Yeah....negative 100

[subtle hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164

[rich cove]

Bahahahah

[timid kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-brennan-huff-step-brothers-no-not-at-all-gif-16704124883174027526

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-data-star-trek-tng-gif-17257810

https://tenor.com/view/spock-uh-uh-no-way-star-trek-smh-gif-17149630

[rich cove]

Yeah if we had an op out choice..@subtle hearth

[subtle hearth]

if you're familiar with the content please consider making a suggestion about it, i am definitely out of place here so cannot even guess where to start 🙂

[rich cove]

Yup

Lol

Wow

@subtle hearth thats why where all here yourself included

[subtle hearth]

i don't usually look into this channel to be honest, is it quiet on no arena days? they did listen to feedback around the release but judging by no slowmode in here i would guess there just isn't enough constructive feedback, it's easy to say 'this is broken, fix it', but they can't do much with that without risking breaking it even more

[rich cove]

Oh absolutely

Maybe there take,n notes.....🤣

I won't get no compensation cause I've raised the issue also...

[proven trout]

There has been plenty of constructive feedback given in the past, all of it ignored, such as use Ship Power to match as opposed to total power, they disable cloak but FT continues to function? They could even make matches based on the op level of the squad starter so that one player of that level must be in the squad to avoid a level 64 from battling three op 56s

[cyan void]

well tbh they listened for like 1 month and everything else got ignored

[proven trout]

They donyt care, if you dont like the matchup spend money to be the king

Buy our new $3000 ship

[rich cove]

@cyan void I'd believe it

Lol

[cyan void]

aha

rams😂

[rich cove]

🤣

[cyan void]

well the numbers are I think 3k or smt

it's definitely gonna be 1k in a few weeks probably and it'll go lower once the whales can't get easy matches if all the low lvls quit

[rich cove]

Yep

[cyan void]

https://tenor.com/view/burying-dying-dead-grave-gif-17189345

arenas was fun while it lasted, good thing I got everything I wanted from it😂

[fossil coral]

Why is Arenas still on Monday nights?
In about 4 weeks the participation rate will see yet another massive decline.

Move it to Tuesdays! (seriously though, why not Tuesdays? we don't do anything on Tuesday nights and it is, in fact, football season)

[rich cove]

Oh time a dates. Yep....just like on the spot incursions

Outstanding scopely organisation

[flat rain]

Another Fantastic Match in the PVP Arena! lvl 70? 6B? Sure!

[rich cove]

Yup..

How ya suppose ta win

[spice fjord]

Quit button. Quit button. Don't want to waste 10 minutes vs a whale button. SOMETHING.

[spice fjord]

Yay. Managed 3 whole matches. 2 wasted vs whales, 15 minute lockout between match 2 and 3 with multiple afk group leaders up. Thanks for the usual miserable time heading into part 2 of the worst arc ever.

[austere trail]

19 levels of advantage.

19!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wise forge]

How is this balanced?

[austere trail]

At least you were only down 12 levels and not 19 like mine. Just insane. 62.66 vs 69 average ops.

[rich cove]

Yup

[short crater]

Yep happend to me last week too and did same no dmg and waited2 min xD

[tardy prairie]

Yesterday evening experience:
had to restart app everytime when joining/leaving arena...
could u guys completely fix the bugs ,before open new seasson pls?

[hasty arrow]

You need to understand how matchmaking works. If you run with 2 60's and a 59 you are going to get matched vs 63's and 64's. You would have better luck running the max ops spread of 52,56,60. Your average level was 60 and the 56,60,64 team also has an average ops level of 60. So to scopely it is a good match.

[grim wagon]

So that's a problem. Any decent 63 will wipe the floor of 2 60s and a59. Matchmaking isn't anywhere close to decent. It's awful. And gets worse each week

[gentle dew]

This! Need a concede button

When I've been in close matches (win or lose) - it has been some of the best fun I've had in STFC. But the unbalanced/lagfest/visual glitches (ships not being anywhere near where they appear to be) completely kills the experience

Had fought my way up to Gold and over the last two weeks been RNG'd back down to Silver - incredibly frustrating

I'd love it if Scopely put some effort into improving it

I'd also prefer slower matching for better accuracy

(Since their FAQ states that they have prioritized speed over accuracy)

[hasty arrow]

I wouldn't say any decent 63. It takes someone who is camping and took their g6 uncommon ship to T9 and has a T14 cube. There are only a handful of people in my range in arena that I run into that also have a cube. The conventional upgrade path is to skip the uncommon and go straight to 66 for the rare ship. I'm one of the campers that enjoy pvp so I have a cube. Otherwise there is only a marginal difference between 60-65. However, weak for their ops level 60's are just going to get smashed regardless which was the 3 people in that match. Their only chance of winning was to optimize for matchmaking and get matches with other weaker teams.

[grim wagon]

That's my point, 55,57,57 vs 63 and whatever else is going to lose no matter what. Don't care about crew or really even most ships, guess how I know. I did 6 matches last night, guess how many were actually a contest.... One and that's only because lag. It's ridiculous

[hasty arrow]

55,57,57 is also a bad comp. Average level or 56 or 57. You run into most matches being against at least one 60 since you run into the 52,56,60 teams. If you did a 57,53,49 or similar you will have much better luck. You should mostly get matched vs teams with one 56.

[hasty arrow]

I think the largest and easiest improvement to the current matchmaking system would be to increase the time it takes before the matchmaking rules are relaxed. Right now it seems to take 5-7 seconds before they are relaxed and you get a horrible match. I would rather wait a few minutes for a good match than get paired outside my range.

[gentle dew]

That alongside a 'concede' button that all 3 in your group have to approve

[echo adder]

Archive this content, plz.

[white sorrel]

Interested to know what the participation was last week.

[plain aurora]

the hardest win at monday night...
the problem is you win by a large margin or you lose by a large margin there is no balancing possible...

[safe frost]

We had one of those too, lost like 1000 to 950. Luckily we got them immediately after and could beat them

[sharp axle]

Pretty bad. You can see it on the STFC Statistics Discord

[white sorrel]

Thanks, I'll go look it up!

[mossy granite]

Can you put a link to that statistics discord? Can't find it and eould love to see it

[valid junco]

https://stfc.pro

Do you mean this

[mossy granite]

Best i could find, even though bit outdated

And I have no clue how to interpret the numbers. 53k participants. Is that meant as 53k players in matches multiple counting them when they do more than one match?

If i devide 53k by 6 player in each match, i get 8k matches. But thats not what the bar graph says...

[silver mauve]

Wrong calculated 3968 as example for EU. Your calculation is overall.

[mossy granite]

Is arena matchmaking e.g. EU only, or are they mixed?

[silver mauve]

Not mixed

[hasty arrow]

The downside to that is it cannot account for the players at max arena rating that are still doing matches each week. I guess that is a small number though. There are only 650 people across all regions at 65k.

[wheat drum]

Please kill arenas once and for all

[trim crow]

<@&509690795536941056> The turnout could go up if they just change arena to the weekends when people have some time to invest in'em. With all its horrendous matchmakings and lag etc, I still would love to do arenas, its a good way for PvP fun but Mondays are busiest of my workweek, so I couldnt even join in the last 5-6 runs. Unless you all are trying to slowly put arenas to bed I would suggest take a poll in discord or ingame when to run arenas and run em on that day. (Its not rocket science) I vote for friday or the weekends

[sharp axle]

The 56k is people who have ever participated...

The last chart is people's scores who score that week, which approximates participation

[rigid canopy]

Arena as an OPs 67 is no fun at all, getting paired against 70s all the time is Bad enough but now they are going with their shiny new Vengeance.
In which section of pairing teams is the biggest ship calculated in?

70s should just beat each other in my mind. My teammates always nag the 70s to go with them. And since we have nice guys they do so. Makes for no fair playing

[white sorrel]

We have all accepted lazy, uncaring and basically stupid for so long. I know I've tried positive comments, I've tried reasonably neutral and I've tried scorched Earth. Nothing works. There can only be one conclusion where all this is going before long.

[stoic rapids]

I thought matchups has been improved

[plain aurora]

no its not... long time no improvment

[uneven saffron]

<@&509690795536941056> arena doesn’t work for me at all

[deft oak]

This is my first attempt at Arenas for 3 months and I get THIS for a match-up! It's a good reminder why I don't participate in the event!

[proud torrent]

literally same as last week 😄

just a huge waste of time

[winged sand]

Still rubbish matchmaking
ships freeze
ships stuck in combat
ships stck in warp
ships auto docking after battles

[gloomy quail]

wtf

[manic notch]

There should be a msg system here, we can't msg each other in order to start public arenas, not only when we enter arena, but before on waiting also eu 104

[tiny heart]

Thought I'd give it another go, but no. Still poop. Battle is always over in 20 seconds an we're getting pitched up to impossible match ups. Sry, but I'm out again 👎

[mossy granite]

Yey, frustrating monday again. No comment necessary.

[spice edge]

Try this:

[tiny heart]

At a bare minimum, give us a surrender option

[rapid compass]

Seriously

[astral pebble]

A bit unfair, don't you think?

[errant crag]

Again another week matches against 70s. Arenas are no fun at all ops 66-69 range. My rank was low as it is, only getting lower with these matching.
Match highest ops vs highest ops fraction range ships, and please do something about the Monday. It couldn’t be a worse timing for a lot of people. Perhaps then people will participate again. Or just put a stripe to arenas and let people gain the favors some other way.

Lots of folks my ops range are just doomed in arenas, while lots of those people are good spenders and decent pvp players, but doesn’t make any change at all. Its quite frustrating to say the least and lots of them feel betrayed by not getting anything from arenas.

[warm fulcrum]

So unfair matching, not even fun to try

Ppl will stop participating if matching don't improve

[flat basalt]

Got my 2100 credits for daily pulls. Still sucks and I feel stupid for playing.

[minor ice]

Another Monday with broken arenas, so here we go.

Reiterating this request because it's still just as relevant as ever.
.
.
.
The Arena needs:

1. A rotating schedule that runs every SIX days, not every seven (or every eight days, if you can't stomach the idea of making something slightly more convenient when you could make it slightly less so 🙄).

People have jobs and some of those jobs preclude playing on Monday evenings. Let it rotate each week so that everyone gets a chance to participate, rather than being locked out of the entire Terran faction.

And if you absolutely must run it on the same day each week, don't pick the same day as the only other weekly event that gets massively penalized for trying to participate in both 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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2. Shipyard-tier-based matchmaking (i.e. "Kelvin Bracket" for Ops levels 40-42, "Newton Bracket" for 43-46, "Enterprise-A Bracket" for 47-50, etc.).

This would ensure that research, officers, team coordination, and strategy/tactics are the primary factors in determining victory, not massive numerical advantage. Note that spenders would still have an edge via Primes, FT/CT, higher officer tiers, etc.

When one player from the opposing team can smash your entire squad, regardless of how much research you've completed/FT&CT you've leveled/officers you've tiered (while they're using a speed crew, on top of everything else! 🤦‍♂️), it pretty much invalidates the entire match. You only see this when one side is woefully underpowered for their level...or the other team has access to higher-tier ships.
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3. Rank floors. Once you reach the bottom of the next rank group (Silver, Gold, Platinum), you can't get demoted back to the previous group. You can be demoted within the group (from Gold 3 back down to Gold 4, for example, but you'd never get demoted from Gold 4 back to Silver 1).

Don't overly penalize players for participating in the system, or eventually there won't be a system to participate in at all.
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4. An arena-specific chat. I mean...c'mon, this should've been part of the initial release, but how on earth did this not at least happen at the same time as public squads?

Thanks for coming to this week's TED Talk.

Sincerely, a player who has made out like an absolute BANDIT from the current Arena setup but would still like to see it accessible for everyone.

[worthy dirge]

1 – I agree with this.

2 – I think this would cause lots of issues with alliance squads. I know our G6 players struggle to build an alliance squad most weeks with their +/- 4 levels option, and this will make it worse. I do understand the spirit of it, but too tight of brackets will make the queue waits just too long.

3 – yes.

4 – yes.

I'd add one thing to this – 5 – arenas shouldn't automatically recall your miners in token space. If I want to participate with 1 of my 6 docks unavailable, that shouldn't be a problen. Especially on days mining events are occuring!

[minor ice]

2 - I realize this may come across as harsh, but maybe they'd just need to look for public squads (which wouldn't be as big a deal if we had team chat enabled, and brackets were narrower so you're less likely to get rolled by higher tier ships).

There's a non-trivial level spread in my own alliance groups, so I'd likely be in the same boat.

[worthy dirge]

Most of us have joined alliances to play with a group of people we enjoy. Would an in-game chat be good? Yes. Would it replicate those of us in our alliance hopping into voice and chilling together? Not at all. Public squads are far less enjoyable because they aren't with the community that keeps us in this sometimes 💩 show of a game .

[minor ice]

Obviously it's preferable to play with alliance teammates than randos, but it's also preferable to have competitive matches rather than getting stomped. Also, this is only one feature of the game; it's not like I'm advocating for the dissolution of all alliances.

Finally, there's already a limited range of players who can group together for arenas under the current system. If it's that important to do arenas with specific people, they can coordinate their ops progression, which is better for grouping up in general, anyway.

[broken lark]

🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[white sorrel]

<@&509690795536941056> why don't you guys respond to any of these feedback responses?

[cyan bear]

I think this has to be the worst matchup I've ever been in. It wasn't a fun arena... it was like beating up little kids, horrifically unfair. Shouldn't be possible, matchups like this. 🙁 Sorry guys...

[shy linden]

and this was a fast match, arenas might finally be to underpopulated to work

[tame root]

Ships vanishing in the middle of an arena <@&509690795536941056> 🙈😑

[lost badger]

I CAN TOP YOU ALL

[elfin musk]

I think I’m just done with this

[golden mortar]

On my first arena match today…..armadas not respawning, lag out the butt, my good ships all got caught in permanent warp stuck mode. I had to sit and watch the last three mins because both ships got stuck in warp. iOS user here. Scopley this is bad……fix it or put it in the independent archives now. And this is from someone who looks forward to and enjoys areans. It’s obvious that you all have lost the heart to fix it. Shame.

[oak temple]

How is it possible for your matchmaking to get even worse? How am I, a 66, with a 63 and a 60, going against a 67 and a 70? With no way to quit, or forfeit. Just waste all of our time.

How has it been this long and you guys are still so terrible at matchmaking it's clear from screen one, but not only have you not fixed it, we're stuck there the whole time?

[oak temple]

I thought mine was bad. Yours is worse. Arenas are severely broken. Either fix them or retire them, Scopely.

[spice edge]

Sometimes the middle armadas at least spawn in the same place... Click on the visible one and see if there are arrows. This might help in very niche cases.

[kindred lintel]

broken game is broken

[frosty cedar]

multiple arenas, persisting through several restarts, my ships have just suddenly stopped moving of their own accord

it doesn't matter what target I was heading towards - hostile, armada, or player

[fierce niche]

Another week where I beg you to PLEASE code to kick people who don't ready up when squads are full. 30sec to a minute... kick them from the q

[brave yoke]

unplayable between the lag and mismatches.

I think they ought to award a gift to anyone who even tries.

[fierce niche]

In earnest... please pass it along. One of the reasons some people don't play is spending 2-3 hours trying to get matches only to find horrible matchups OR WORSE not getting into matches because people never ready up. It's been happening for weeks. It isn't fun because it wastes all that time.

[twilit basin]

matchmaking is broken as hell. 49-53 getting matched up with 60s this week...

[pastel skiff]

The matching is the worst it has ever been. In an alliance team, we kept getting the same opposing team. In a public match my 63-66-68 team went against ops 70-70-70. Really, I have taught 1st semester programming students that could do a better job

[spice fjord]

Another week another plea for a quit button. Two ships bouncing off a whale ship is enough to know the match is a bust. Let us concede!!

[frozen swallow]

i'm amazed there's still this much feedback about this

i mean, the only reason ppl still play this at all - myself included - is because the rewards are to stupidly broken to miss

but if they're not changing anything then there's no feedback to give, it's already been given

they know the matchmaking is broken, they know it lacks features, they know it's laggy and buggy

they've knew it for months now

the devs clearly abandoned this, and i see no reason why shouldn't we.

[frozen swallow]

Also I can vouch for that, I'm a IT student and game Dev myself and I can 100% do better

[white sorrel]

<@&509690795536941056> why is this thread constantly ignored?

[valid junco]

Dead content my guess

[viral forum]

Last week, I literally lost hours stuck in a full arena team of 3 but one of them refused to hit the ready button so we couldn’t enter the arena match. Please code to kick anyone not clicking ready button within 1 to 3 minutes (set as a variable). Thank you 🙏

I kept changing to different arena team of 3, but there is always one person not clicking the ready button so I couldn’t even participate in the arena matches 😦

[tall summit]

To save the Arena feature the following changes should be considered, since matchmaking will not be better soon:

1. Credits for activity!
   Instead of forfitting the game after few seconds and leaving active players frustrated, the number of credits received should be derived from the points you contributed to the overall result. A Bonus for winning cam still be granted.

2. No more negative rang deductions!
   Every Engagement should count towards your rang, wins certainly more than losses. As now only well equipped ops70 players have a chance at consequtive wins, lower ops players no longer can rise higher than low GoldIII or II. That change would increase Engagement without punishing the people already in higher tiers.

[pseudo grove]

Terrible lags during the yesterday's arenas: half of the time mine ships were endlessly warping or freezing. Game reset doesn't helped a bit

[crystal condor]

Arena's are also in th top 10 wore things put out

[pastel skiff]

As many people have pointed out, matching in the arena is terrible. Personally, I just do enough to have single pulls and may even give that up. If the arena is going to be kept as a part of the game and an even vaguely fair matchmaking algorithm is beyond Scopely,

1. Yes, penalties for losing should be almost nothing. Matchmaking is so bad that I think that no one in my 86 person alliance is spending more than an hour in the arena. Most ignore it due to frustration
2. There should be a quit button in matches and a give up button before matches. If the match is bad and I give up, the penalty should be almost nothing. Similarly, the reward for winning a match that is never entered should be reduced
3. As others have mentioned, many arena teams just sit out there and never get to the ready state. It may be useful to have some timer for automatically disbanding a team that has not entered the ready state. Similarly, it might be useful to have a currency that is needed for creating a team

[rocky crypt]

When 2 out of 3 players in a squad hit ready a timer (2 mins?) should start on the last player. When it hits 0 automatically disband the squad, block the player for 1 hour/session from arena.
Recurring offenders get a 2-week ban.

[thorn thicket]

Timer, yes. Blocked and 2 week ban? That's a joke.

[trim pasture]

Funny reading all this messages.

Havent played it in 3 months easy. For all the above reasons.

Whars the point in playing if sitting it out is best?

😌😌

[white sorrel]

You've hit it 100% on the head. I haven't played this in about 6 weeks and it's the best decision I ever made.

[inner plover]

https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-wow-marley-and-me-smooth-hd-hq-gif-977282450591946462

[short kayak]

Put a bad below deck crew on because they are on another ship, and that happens a lot

[neon sky]

Wanna balance it better and make it faster queue then for random dont make it 3 queuing. Just auto assign the individual to a power appropriate equivalent partners and assume ready on entrance into queue.

CoC did a similar thing for brackets. The longer your in the queue the bigger the variance until it finds a match. But prioritizes like lvls and powers. Leave the queue wait and see issues behind for the pre made teams and let random just auto queue with system matched.

Maybe go so far as to possibly prioritize level based ships 60, 63, 66, 70 etc for priority on matching. (And so on down the teirs)

Probably help resolve the no signup no thumbs up feature. Also probably will better balance teams fighting eachother if coded right by not relying on the couple folks signing up at same time visually hoping a similar team is signing up. This too will provide incentive for premade alliance teams as ya never know who you will get paired with. No waiting to hopefully catch a big player to hop in with.

The bigger the power gap in teams the more points upwards the under dogs can win and the less they can lose. Similar to CoC and other games with ranked matchmaking. If a team of 70s goes against a team of 60s and the 60s win reward them heavily and vice versa have a bigger drop for the presumed winners. On the other hand the assumed winner in the example 70s vs 60s (assuming no decent match up options) gets minimal rank boost and rank loss due to the disadvantage.

Other games have tried supplementing the lvl gaps by standardizing the stats for the match to an extent to level playing field for focus on teamwork and strategy as opposed to cc usage.

Or keep it same and provide some dailies that give the credits needed so that folks can avoid it if they dont enjoy it and help you by not lagging it as much as that seems to be an issue for the Scopely servers, despite the low participation.

[cyan void]

😂

[tranquil ice]

I don't even try to compete anymore. This faction is obsolete to me..

[cyan void]

I'm genuinely confused right now, this is new glitch for me

[worldly hinge]

yeah 6 arena matches going on in my system restarting doesnt help

[cyan void]

its so bad, i got so confused, esp when the ppl in the bug is around the same level as the ppl in your arena

[worldly hinge]

ikr overstimulated 🤣 this time arenas been bad

[ionic dawn]

So glitchy it’s genuinely not playable this week…

[gentle storm]

Yup crisscrossed matches

[cyan void]

<@&509690795536941056> i dont care if u dont fix the other stuff in arenas but please get the devs to fix the criss cross matches, it gives me a headache trying to figure out who's in which match especially when im matched against ppl with the same/+1 -1 from what the glitch is showing

[short kayak]

They should just make arenas a free for all and anyone who joins gets thrown into a system with only same ops players 🤷🏻‍♂️

[cyan void]

yea this is almost free for all

it's I think 4 matches mashed in 1

[short kayak]

Haven’t played in 2 months. Will try 1 or 2 tonight for the heck of it

[cyan void]

I'm on mobile so couldn't capture the whole system

[fickle niche]

i am not even gonna say anything as this feedback channel is more of joke channel at the moment

[short kayak]

What is the hull on it?

[fickle niche]

dont know. i minimized the game and went to get a drink

came back to it being over

[short kayak]

Log of it killing you?

[fickle niche]

didnt send a ship

[short kayak]

Haven’t been in arena since it came out, so no idea where it is

[fickle niche]

well you are high ops, 70 iirc. you shouldnt have any problem with arena and clubbing seals and farming the emblems if you need them. pretty sure you dont, but just for fun

[short kayak]

Just now building r&D. No epic for a week minimum. And a baby at that 😂

[fickle niche]

with matches like above you can pretty much win all matches just with a cube

[plain aurora]

a max cube or ent e is better than the vengance... its like a g6 iss jellyfish... feeding the big boys becaus g7 needs a bit longer

[short kayak]

I know. Just wondering what the hull is on some of these baby vengeances

[cyan void]

its about the same hull as a maxed krencha iirc

[safe frost]

~160b vengeance

[fickle niche]

another arena meme 🤣 👌🏻

rename this channel to #PostYourBestSealClubbingPuppyStrangling screenshots the way arena matching is

[cyan void]

was it you that i saw in arenas just now 😂

[fickle niche]

yeah 😂

[cyan void]

i swear i saw someone called funky in arenas jn 😂

[fickle niche]

i kept coming back only to be smacked in the face 😛

[cyan void]

its fine u werent the only one today 😅

[cyan void]

i got a 99% wr, only lost 1 game to dumb matching to this one

[fickle niche]

and the worst was other arena matches being overlapped, half the time it was trying to attack players not in our match only to realise after couple of seconds cuz the box kept saying "retrieving...."

by that time someone else actually in our match was taking me/us out

[cyan void]

i had to keep finding that one out of place hostile so clear the screen for a few seconds so i can memorise all hostile positions and then hit accordingly 😂

enemy positions too

[twilit prism]

It would actually help if I could see the hostiles and see players ships 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[runic garnet]

Anybody getting ghost ships in their arenas? Seeing like 6 players (12 ships) in the arena at once.

...that's before my squad went in.

[worthy reef]

ghost ships

[cyan void]

just look at all the photos above u

im guessing america will be the next ppl to post about it

[proper rapids]

is this a 16v16 match?

all of them, moving... had 4 matches like this, at least 2 sets of teams battling it out in the same arena

can't target the othr sets though

[vast tulip]

Arenas are still around thought they dumped it cause it sucks

[proper rapids]

but very confusin

[cyan void]

FFA 😂

[clever monolith]

Lvl 60 56 56 v 53 53 56 scopley numbers so messed up

[dire thorn]

indeed

[median root]

seems matchmaking is impossible, still such garbage :/

[median root]

had this, too. at least a new bug 🙂

[twilit prism]

Ghost ships I wasn't even seeing anything at all

[dire thorn]

its spectacular to see a screwup like this...

[last anvil]

What a joke matchups are stop putting 3 70’s against lower groups it’s ridiculous lock 70’s against 70’s only for starters.

[robust bobcat]

Arenas are still running 🙄, I have given up on trying to get mirror uhura

[clever monolith]

Thought it was 4 lvl difference this is 10 lvl

Arenas need scrapping

[cursive bridge]

Let's goooo 😄

[short basin]

First game in 3 weeks. This game mode needs removing.

[spice edge]

It does love doing that every now and again, at least we pushed them to full time before losing.

[leaden sable]

You have to give them credit for that. The gaming experience in the arena gets worse every time.

[earnest bison]

I was gonna say it makes sense kinda cuz your lv56+4=lv60

[earnest bison]

Then I saw this

[short basin]

Do the devs even care? Zero acknowledgment of feedback? It’s been months (years?) of this rubbish matchmaking and bugged cube movement. Do your damn job

[grizzled arrow]

I just gave arenas a try again after 2 months of not engaging in the content.
The amount of bugs I encountered in just 5 or 6 matches was phenomenal. I'll just retire from arenas in general
The cube position/movement was one of the bugs, but I had 3 matches where me and the opponent's ship would just sit next to eachother and not attack (nowhere near an armada btw).
Apparently there's a bug where every armada launched has the same player's Alliance Tag showing, even though someone else launched it. Makes it very difficult to know who to intercept to prevent point scoring. In many instances enemy armadas even launched with my alliance tag, making it completely ridiculous.
The payout is decent but it is honestly not worth this half-baked delivery of a product

[white sorrel]

I would just tell everybody they need to stop engaging in this. It's a waste of your time... If you want to make it a waste of some whale money then just don't engage.

And it pains me to say that, because when this came out I was so hopeful. I loved it and all it ever did was get worse

[golden mortar]

I pulled the last of the premium mirror dust out of the store last Friday. As others do, and the bugs and such continue.....participation will contiune to drop.

[white sorrel]

My score got too low and some of the stuff got level locked

It also just takes too freaking long...

[restive pasture]

Keep it warm, for Morn.

Ops60 vs Ops60.....yeah sure, ok, but the arena RANK ? 🤨

Well is was blitz, I can tell you that much

[golden mortar]

Also lets not forget that unlike a month ago, you now get the added benefit of being matched against a team of 70s flying the USS Vengeance. As if maxxed cubes and Kreshaws were not enough. Thanks for nothing Scopes.

[steel dirge]

Youd get smoked by most 60s with that crew choice, rank or not.

[restive pasture]

when going against an enemy that has Q Canon, while you don't, Mirror Crew is the best f2p option. But please, don't take my word for it, go ahead and try it. 😉

[flat basalt]

Arena rank has no influence on matchmaking

[restive pasture]

In over 25 years of online pvp, since Starcraft came out, this game is the first one where pvp arena rank has little to no bearing in matchmaking 🤔

Sure, I should not be comparing Blizzard with $$copely, but...what other comparison could I make ?

[flat basalt]

Yes zero influence. Scopely embracing the star trek way of being pioneers.

The first ever game where the results determine rank but rank does not determine matchups

[restive pasture]

With each pasing month, whenever I do decide to re-try arenas, I kinda feel like Janeway versus the Hirogen....

[flat basalt]

Max Sorrens trilithium as f2p and you might have a better time. Best not to take it too seriously lol

[steel dirge]

Lol no, i dont have a death wish 😆

[restive pasture]

Well then, why would you insinuate that Dukat crew is better than Mirror crew ?

[pearl night]

🍆 🍑

[trim notch]

It used to be me, Borg and Blitz. We have a terrible habit of giving players fits. I decided to ops up to 66 so I can't join them for a while. The funny thing with the lack of players playing, it will only be a matter of time that I might skirmish with blitz, who is in my own alliance

[steel dirge]

Um because it is

[restive pasture]

Against the Q cannon abilities, the counter is better apex barrier, with apex shred, and ideally full assimilate. Multiply shots with M.Kira if you lack Quasi, but an interceptor who can't use crit build......what option is there ? 🤷‍♂️

[trim notch]

And Slipstream

[restive pasture]

I like the reference - Rearden Steel 😉

[trim notch]

I woke up too late to do arenas this time, but I think I dodged a bullet with all the cross matching on the same screen

[restive pasture]

Just to prove a point here, @Jorsdash. Yes the Selkie had Q canon on. Yes the player in question is an experienced pvp player, his research is up to date, and he's a bigger spender than I ever was. I stick to the conclusion from various tests : Mirror trumps Carol/Dukat. 🤷‍♂️

[iron hare]

If your Stone Age servers can't handle speed crews in the arena... even though it doesn't work anywhere, be it in the wave, MU, or anywhere else... then ban that

[steel dirge]

So u blow up on miners, and think rank is the arena problem? Lol

Certainly did well vs weyoun too. Show us more

[restive pasture]

Now you're deliberatly ignoring the facts. Conversation pointless. 🤷‍♂️

[trim notch]

This is a lack of anti-crit, crit floor research, and officer tiers.

But this is off subject, so I will carry on

[restive pasture]

not maxed yet on anti-crit and crit floor research, about 78% there. Officer RANKS however, both my Dukat and M.Picard are rank4. Dezoc and Gossa Maxed, Queen rank3, and I could continue but you get the idea.

[obtuse island]

most of mine are t5, hence your struggles

[restive pasture]

aaaaa here he is ! you beast, you 😂 💪 🖖

[trim notch]

You're welcome

[restive pasture]

Your nickname really suits you, Blitz ! 😉

[plain aurora]

why?

[trim notch]

don't spam letters.

[obtuse island]

dont feel bad, I had a game where we trounced a 62 and a 65 tonight they had 1b power more than us

[trim notch]

And blitz and I can handle g6 rares with our g5 epics

[plain aurora]

lol... the redivuless lag and than this...

[restive pasture]

I could understand the g6 ucommons, up to T10 maybe even above, but the rares !? WOW !

[obtuse island]

in some instances I can kill 15b power cubes

[plain aurora]

g6 rare arnt in arena normally... last was all bit mor velox 17-19b...

[restive pasture]

My highest kills (not in arena, btw, so no arena favors involved) were a 7.6B cube and a 4.8B Akira. Appropriate pvp crews all around.

[restive pasture]

Coming from you, I have absolutely no doubt 😂 💪

[obtuse island]

btw Morn is from our server also 😂

[restive pasture]

surprise surprise 😂

and I do believe I recognised his alliance tag, from incursions a few months ago 🤔

[proven trout]

Same old story, you guys need to start from scratch on the matchmaking

[golden mortar]

Haha. What. Looks good to me

[viscid current]

I agree 😂

[brisk rapids]

Pretty sad showing. Feature is basically dead.

[tawny crag]

@dusky hornet : can you implement a type of ELO points ranking ? less points when you win something easy, more points when the fight is equal in strengths and levels? It's frustrating to lose to a fight you can't win anyway.

[green forum]

There is so much lag can’t really even see ships moving in arena

[grim wagon]

Can we just kill arena and get a better way. I'm down to silver because matchmaking is putting me a 57/58 against 65s. There isn't a chance to win that. It's pointless. What really makes no sense is there's plenty of 57s on but we get matched 58, 60,57 against 61,61, 65. I mean 2 of those and ur down 2 levels.

[obtuse island]

dont be give up if you see high power numbers on the otherside, they are not always a true reflection on actual player strength in Arena.

[cursive bridge]

Or knowledge about arena/game mechanics. They can often win you a match that looks otherwise pointless.

[tall bobcat]

rubbish... with all the iso mitigation, jochim and artefacts mirror is for base defence at best... it stands no chance against the strike teams and their crit damage and shear number of extra shots unless you are totally over matching the other guy.. im only just ops 50 F2P and have the freeman team and all the strike teams.. if you do waves you can get and level up the strike teams

[tall bobcat]

this 100% true.. we took down a stronger team last night by taking out the weaker players and forcing the stronger guy to have to score points. we only got one rare off and it was a team effort to achive, then we ran out the clock on him

[tawny crag]

once in a blue moon, yes, we find inept players. But you lose more than you win

[white sorrel]

I call these guys out all the time, but I don't see anything wrong with this. That's about as even Steven as you're going to get.

[minor ice]

(Forgot to post this yesterday, oops!)

Reiterating these requests because they're still just as relevant as ever.
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The Arena needs:

1. A rotating schedule that runs every SIX days, not every seven (or every eight days, if you can't stomach the idea of making something slightly more convenient when you could make it slightly less so 🙄).

People have jobs and some of those jobs preclude playing on Monday evenings. Let it rotate each week so that everyone gets a chance to participate, rather than being locked out of the entire Terran faction.

And if you absolutely must run it on the same day each week, don't pick the same day as the only other weekly event that gets massively penalized for trying to participate in both 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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2. Shipyard-tier-based matchmaking (i.e. "Kelvin Bracket" for Ops levels 40-42, "Newton Bracket" for 43-46, "Enterprise-A Bracket" for 47-50, etc.).

This would ensure that research, officers, team coordination, and strategy/tactics are the primary factors in determining victory, not massive numerical advantage. Note that spenders would still have an edge via Primes, FT/CT, higher officer tiers, etc.

When one player from the opposing team can smash your entire squad, regardless of how much research you've completed/FT&CT you've leveled/officers you've tiered (while they're using a speed crew, on top of everything else! 🤦‍♂️), it pretty much invalidates the entire match. You only see this when one side is woefully underpowered for their level...or the other team has access to higher-tier ships.
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3. Rank floors. Once you reach the bottom of the next rank group (Silver, Gold, Platinum), you can't get demoted back to the previous group. You can be demoted within the group (from Gold 3 back down to Gold 4, for example, but you'd never get demoted from Gold 4 back to Silver 1).

Don't overly penalize players for participating in the system, or eventually there won't be a system to participate in at all.
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4. An arena-specific chat. I mean...c'mon, this should've been part of the initial release, but how on earth did this not at least happen at the same time as public squads?

Thanks for coming to this week's TED Talk.

Sincerely, a player who has made out like an absolute BANDIT from the current Arena setup but would still like to see it accessible for everyone.

[spice edge]

Tactics are very important, sometimes it's not winnable. But you can really spook people who should win with tactics, and then they get on the back foot and play badly. And it feels good to beat people 8 ops higher.

[grim wagon]

Just don't have people drop rank ever and ever single match last night but one were ridiculous match ups. Maybe in 3 weeks you'll find one player that is weak but anyone more that about 2 levels in the 50s plus and especially 56+is mostly pointless. 2 really strong 61 can't touch a baby 65. Sure you can get some points but you aren't gonna win

[grim wagon]

The one out of 50 times that might happen yeah, the 49 other times you are watching your ship die no matter how great your crew is doesn't make up for it

[lilac lichen]

<@&509690795536941056>. monthly reminder. This channel is full of great feedback from people that want to play. Is any of this on any roadmap? #freetheterranfaction

[analog pewter]

Transogen token mining was the end of me even considering arenas. I want to unlock Mirror Uhura, but not so badly that I’ll put up with the horrible matching algorithm. But then to have a transogen token be wasted when my ships get pulled to ArenaLand?? Hell no. Not even if I’m playing under the influence.

[wide hill]

Arena is still trash

[flat basalt]

No more need to stay in gold. I will go back to silver with my battlepass bros

[minor ice]

Congrats on the milestone, that's a long slog to finish! 🥳

Edit: doesn't rank affect the arena chest contents? You're still going to want max value for that to collect officer shards and favors.

[flat basalt]

Thanks and yes the rewards won't be as good in silver but not having the pressure to maintain gold in a system stacked against low spending g6 players will be nice

[brave flare]

Another day with this BS. So Scopeless doesn't want to improve the arena and make it playable. So the junk will continue to be ignored. It's good to see that the majority feels the same way and that everyone is gradually losing interest.

[gray scroll]

This is pretty messed up.... then again with how many people play arenas in apac nowdays not too surprising

[lost stump]

Why isn't Arena STFC-Wide at the same time. APAC has it now. US Server 710 won't have it start for like 10 hours from now.

[odd citrus]

Thanks for posting that!! We thought the exact same thing. They make us limit ops range to +/- 4 & then we get matched with u guys with a player 14 ops levels above the starter ie mystguyau aka @odd citrus

[gray scroll]

the next match was 2x 61's and a 58... apac arenas are unfortunately very unfair due to the small amount of people still interested in it

[odd citrus]

Which sux as all I need is the 6* bp favour and I’m done with them too (although premium mirror dust is nice)

[gray scroll]

our 67 only just got his g6 favour via that match against you guys and i'm also only still playing it for the premium dust and the occasional good match up cause i do enjoy pvp

[odd citrus]

Yeh fair matches or something that pushes u a bit is fun, otherwise what’s the point

[normal ledge]

Totally agreed got the same insane matchup. Guessing only 2/3 teams playing these days for apac?

I waited 13mins for this after being put into a random public group I didn’t click.
Woulda preferred no match found and let me exit the group after 5mins then a matchup where I sit there for 6mins killing hostiles and armadas as clearly the opponent won’t come out.
Where is the forfeit button too to save both teams from boredom and a completely pointless match. Scopely should not allow match ups like this to happen.

[winged sand]

I'm not sure why this channel even exists anymore. week in week out i see the exact same feedback and nothing is done about it.
Scopley have abandoned arenas and are not doing any future work on it.

What you see is what you get now in arenas which is a shame because it could have been really good

[lost stump]

@normal ledge In my APAC Server Alliance it's not 2/3. More like 15 to 20 percent being generous and we're in the top 10 alliances. Matching sucks. Generally if we go it's to deliberately lose just for points. Tonight one member reported being up against two level 70s and he's only level 66. Arena just a waste of Time!

[normal ledge]

Because their GM said they are listening in that vid 😉

[sage shuttle]

Woohoo, all my ships set up ready for eu Arenas...PVP crews/FTs/CTs and FCs all in place. l can't wait. Then l remembered it's buggy, dead content...Back to the hostile grind/mining 😀

[rare oyster]

Lets hope they add some sort of sourcing of credits for normal players who dont sell a kidney to play. 1 good round, then put in the "cannon fodder against spenders" queueing, how are we meant to obtain the favors etc if the content has no one but spenders to play against? Long term planning would be nice for some content rather short term as arena clearly was.

[whole birch]

Hey maybe being able to open chat to your queuing buddies?

[fair creek]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-peter-griffin-family-guy-psych-ward-gif-26893232

monday feeling ^^

[torn salmon]

just yes

[strong mortar]

crews!!

but yes, youre a bug splat

[lilac lichen]

#freetheterranfactionstore !

[glossy cobalt]

With that crew you won't be killing a anything in arenas

[plain aurora]

Arena feedback...
Dont know why i do arena...
1st.: player with same power that player with better ping wins...
2nd.: the lags are rediculess... its a joke a real bad joke
3rd.: position error comr in and in combat with a cube fired from the other side of the map
4th.: matchmaking... its funny if you put against 1 platin snd 2 silverpmayer 3x platin pregroup... or biggesr your side can have is 65... the other side is a 68...
think there is next player say good by to arena...
no dust... no arena... did it for speed ups but no more...
technicsl issues programming failures
rip arena

[austere arch]

Yup, just tried for first time in a month, still garbage

[minor ice]

So before I make my usual Monday arena post, I wanted to share this.

I'm being quite sincere when I ask...how did this happen?
Arenas are supposed to be +/-4 levels. My group, on the left, was started by a 53. The other group had to have been started by a level 58 or higher. So how did we get paired?

[lilac lichen]

It’s only +- 4 for your group. Not sure on the hidden math, if/ how they calculate rank differentials. But ya, when you have actual shipyard levels in between…. Something is wrong….

[minor ice]

(And now back to your regular programming.)

Reiterating these requests because they're still just as relevant as ever.
.
.
.
The Arena needs:

1. A rotating schedule that runs every SIX days, not every seven (or every eight days, if you can't stomach the idea of making something slightly more convenient when you could make it slightly less so 🙄).

People have jobs and some of those jobs preclude playing on Monday evenings. Let it rotate each week so that everyone gets a chance to participate, rather than being locked out of the entire Terran faction.

And if you absolutely must run it on the same day each week, don't pick the same day as the only other weekly event that gets massively penalized for trying to participate in both 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
.
2. Shipyard-tier-based matchmaking (i.e. "Kelvin Bracket" for Ops levels 40-42, "Newton Bracket" for 43-46, "Enterprise-A Bracket" for 47-50, etc.).

This would ensure that research, officers, team coordination, and strategy/tactics are the primary factors in determining victory, not massive numerical advantage. Note that spenders would still have an edge via Primes, FT/CT, higher officer tiers, etc.

When one player from the opposing team can smash your entire squad, regardless of how much research you've completed/FT&CT you've leveled/officers you've tiered (while they're using a speed crew, on top of everything else! 🤦‍♂️), it pretty much invalidates the entire match. You only see this when one side is woefully underpowered for their level...or the other team has access to higher-tier ships.
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3. Rank floors. Once you reach the bottom of the next rank group (Silver, Gold, Platinum), you can't get demoted back to the previous group. You can be demoted within the group (from Gold 3 back down to Gold 4, for example, but you'd never get demoted from Gold 4 back to Silver 1).

Don't overly penalize players for participating in the system, or eventually there won't be a system to participate in at all.
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4. An arena-specific chat. I mean...c'mon, this should've been part of the initial release, but how on earth did this not at least happen at the same time as public squads?

Thanks for coming to this week's TED Talk.

Sincerely, a player who has made out like an absolute BANDIT from the current Arena setup but would still like to see it accessible for everyone.

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Oh, also! How do we not have a Spectator Mode to watch other people's matches?

[hazy basin]

I think if they did an Arena survey 90% or more of the player base would call it a failed experiment. It's just trash matchups, no test of skill, just of raw power. They just need to give people who don't have 5 hours every monday a path to the rewards that doesn't involve all this.

[glossy cobalt]

Your ops53 guy is #1 strongest ops 53 ingame. Im sure he did pretty well against the other team🤔 that 61 looks very weak

[faint wharf]

Really, this means you have no grasp on fairness, that means you don't care.

[spice edge]

Damn right. Best option is you can click on their bases in the 2 minutes warmup window, but being able to speak to both at once if public would be very handy.

[faint wharf]

And the next one, what I'm I to do? Really scopely?

[hazy basin]

Problem is the 70's only can go even and lower, anyone 66 and up are chow

but if they use a 66 to start, that drops to 62... they can't really fix that

[faint wharf]

The very easiest remedy of course would be to simply match each of playrs to their level. Unmotivating, unfair, not worth working all week to compete in arena as meat. Have a nice day.

[astral stream]

Okay having a hard time figuring this math. Anyone able to help?

[minor ice]

Nah, took me four tries and a Mantis sting to take down his biggest ship. There was very little chance we were winning that match.

I don't even mind losing that one, tbh. I'm just genuinely curious how the match-up even happened. With a margin of +/-4 ops levels, how does a group consisting of 50/50/53 get paired up against 58/59/61?

Even assuming the 58 started the second squad, that's a 5-level gap. It was my understanding that that should never happen, even without considering (ha!) balance.

[sudden phoenix]

Groups can be formed in that 4 level range. The matchmaker has no level restrictions, and simply uses the level avg and ranks to make the most fair matches.

[glossy cobalt]

Do you remember what the 53 was running and what was the biggest enemy ship? Power and ops doesnt always mean much. I can give you a prime example of me losing to someone who in should have not😂 just comes down to who spends more time and money.

[plucky flint]

what utter bologna this is.... While it is not explicitly stated why the precise formula for STFC arena ranking points is not public, game developers often withhold these details for several reasons.
Reasons for keeping ranking formulas private
Preventing manipulation: If players knew the exact calculation, it could lead to strategies aimed at "gaming the system" rather than playing fair matches. This is particularly true for games that use a variation of the Elo ranking system, where the number of points gained depends on the difference in rank between opponents.
Encouraging engagement: For many players, the mystery of the ranking system fuels a competitive drive to see how they stack up. Knowing the exact formula could turn the competition into a more mechanical numbers game, detracting from the thrill of the win. Developers want players focused on the gameplay and improving their skills, not on reverse-engineering the algorithm.
Maintaining flexibility: Keeping the formula private allows developers to adjust the system more easily if they discover an imbalance or issue. If they published the formula, every minor change would have to be publicly announced and explained, which is less efficient.
Protecting proprietary information: The exact algorithm used for matchmaking and ranking is a part of the game's design and is considered proprietary information.
Managing player experience: The detailed system can be very complex. Publishing it could increase "ladder anxiety" for players who see their numerical rank fluctuate. By simplifying what is shown to players, developers can offer a better overall user experience.

What is known about the system
While the specific formula is secret, information from developer updates and player experiences has established the key factors influencing rank point changes in the STFC arena:
Win or Loss: The most significant factor is winning versus losing. A win awards rank points, while a loss deducts them.
Rank difference: Players generally report that more rank points are gained for defeating higher-ranked opponents, and fewer are awarded for defeating lower-ranked ones. The inverse is true for losses.
Matchmaking context: As with many online competitive games, the underlying matchmaking system (MMR) attempts to create fair matches by pairing teams with similar ranks and Operations Levels. The outcome of the match relative to the system's prediction likely affects the point changes.

[minor ice]

I could tell you precisely what both ships were running, but that isn't the point. I'm asking how the system paired up these two groups. Was it actually beyond the intended scope of the system, or is my understanding of the matchmaking parameters incorrect, and if so, how?

[glossy cobalt]

The match making should be +4-4 from the starters ops. But sometimes the match making is garbage as were talking about scopely here and nothing really work as its made out to be. Last week i got put into a match vs an 69. Its possible to get into a match where your team is 3x53s and the other team is the starter is a 57 than a 61 and 53, their 53 can lower the match making so they face your team of 53s.

[minor ice]

Somehow I missed you posting this response, @sudden phoenix .

So... that's garbage (the logic, not the accuracy of your response).

I'd love an explanation as to why the matchmaking algorithm doesn't consider ops level at all.

[glossy cobalt]

Bro im trying to ask you because im curious how strong that 53s ship was since his the strongest 53 ingame😂

[minor ice]

It's a 3B Relativity. Tantalus, Q Cannon, mirror crew.

[wild acorn]

It does but only by the average ops of the groups.
To the matchmaking system a 42 46 50 group is the same as a 46 46 46 group assuming ratings are similar
Early on you would tend to see groups that were +-1-2 of your groups ops average
Today someone posted a match between two groups with ops averages 10 apart
All you can do is try to construct the best group you can with the lowest average ops you can and hope you get an opponent that didn't do that

[glossy cobalt]

Are you joking? Do you have a screenshot by any chance

[minor ice]

If it really works off of average ops level, that's even worse 🤦‍♂️

[minor ice]

No...? Why would that be a joke?

[glossy cobalt]

Lol just realised your that 53

[glossy cobalt]

Sent u pm bud

[sudden phoenix]

There's a lot of overlap between you and players 5+ levels above you, you're probably stronger than most of them. A fair match isn't only you stomping every single person in the 4 level range. A fair match is both sides having a reasonable chance of winning. If this means they need to pull an avg ops that's several levels above yours, then so be it.

[minor ice]

But that isn't what's happening in many of these matches.

Ship tier is honestly the most likely equalizer to pair against.

[wild acorn]

The system is making matches. To call them fair or even pretend that it is capable of doing that is ludicrous.
My team won a ton of matches using a max ops spread of 42-46-50 and I guarantee you the teams without a 50 were not paired with us because they were overly strong. They just happened to have an ops average around 46.

[sudden phoenix]

Ship tier is not an equalizer. I can see your rela now, that's as big as a max epic. At 53? that's a monster. How many matches do you lose? in a balanced system, you should only win 50% of them.

[minor ice]

No, that's absolutely not how it should work in a "balanced" system.

[flat rain]

What needs to happen is when this match-ups power ranges are so friggin out-of-whack uneven, some form of a Boost needs to be applied that grants damage. Call it a handicap of sorts.

[minor ice]

I have a ton of research, artifacts, high tier officers, FT/CT, etc. If I were only winning half of my matches, what would be the point in putting in that effort to improve my ships?

But since you want to use me as an example, here's a log from that match.

I lost to a ship half my "power". Again, I'm NOT complaining about that.

But the reason I lost is in those factors I mentioned. Primarily, the things that are gated by ops level.

And the base values/max values of ships in higher tiers.

[sudden phoenix]

That's what a strength-based matchmaking system is. It gauges your strength and it matches you up with with it considers evenly matched players. For STFC, even if this means that the other side has a higher avg level. When both sides have an even chance of winning, it's a coin flip. If you increase in strength, then your opponent selection will also be stronger.

[minor ice]

I'm also an outlier in this scenario, as I'm using a specialty ship, which most players don't consider a practical option.

[minor ice]

... are we looking at the same matches?

By what metric did it look at these two groups and conclude "this is about even"???

I was with two level 50s, as well, vs. a 58 and 59 on the other side.

Dude, there's no way you can spin this to make it seem reasonable for these two teams to be paired against each other.

[sudden phoenix]

I'm telling you how a SBMM works in general. The matches you get are part of the entire system to get you there. It doesn't mean every match is fair or perfect. Not everyone has the right rank, and not everyone's strength estimate is up-to-date. Buying a pack can distort your strength and the system needs to catch up so you'll be ahead for awhile.

[minor ice]

I'm not sure why you think I'm disputing how it works, I'm positing that the way it does work is utterly illogical.

And how exactly does the system need to "catch up" with changes in strength? It's all handled within the game itself; the matchmaking isn't being done on an external system that's waiting for a daily update to be downloaded at midnight every day, right?

If there is some kind of non-trivial delay between a player increasing their power and the MM algorithm receiving that update, that's outrageous.

[sudden phoenix]

It needs to catch up because there are two factors: avg ops level of the team and the team's rank. If you bought 10k worth in packs now, both of those will be the same as they were the day before. That doesn't mean you're the same strength as before. The mm needs you to play games, increase your rank, decrease theirs, and then it'll draw a better match.

[flat rain]

My FAV bug during ARENAS!

[minor ice]

Wait, so what is it based on, then? Is it ops level and rank? Is it power? Is it recent arena performance?

[flat rain]

Now I have to reclient while hoping I dont get killed!

[sudden phoenix]

The two stated factors are rank and avg ops. There's also probably a 3rd factor: time spent in queue.

[flat rain]

NOPE! didnt fix that, SO FUN!

And of course cant send another

[minor ice]

I wouldn't be surprised if time in queue factored in, although my personal experience has been that pairings very rarely take more than thirty seconds. I'm probably in a "sweet spot" for that, though.

[sudden phoenix]

Avg ops is easy. Rank should be considered as an approximation of your pvp skill. It's this factor that requires games to be played to be updated.

[glossy cobalt]

For one mirror crew is rubbish. Unless you have them all maxxed than maybe they are good, i dont know. Mirror uhura isnt good at all, cant imagine what your below deck crew set up is🫣😂

Also try sorans tril ct instead of qcannon.

[minor ice]

Oh, I'm so sorry! I didn't realize I was giving the impression I was looking for pvp advice, rather than inquiring about and critiquing the arena system. I'll be sure to jot that down for the next time I'm making crewing decisions.

Anyway.

[minor ice]

So "Rank" is, in fact, based on recent arena performance?

[sudden phoenix]

Your rank is based on the entirety of your arena performance. All the numbers for rank changes through wins/losses are available.

[minor ice]

Er... what do you mean by that last bit? Available where/how?

[glossy cobalt]

Im just trying to help, no need to be so stuck up! Why you worry about how the match making works anyway. Its broken so what, do what you can and enjoy. With a huge ship like that i wouldn't worry what ops lvl i get put into at ops53

[sudden phoenix]

The game should be telling you how much your rank changes after each match.

[minor ice]

Oh, that. It's a flat value, positive for wins, negative for losses, and seems to be based entirely on your current rank (as in Gold 1, Gold 2, etc.).

Not much room for nuance.

[south path]

Can you fix this matchmaking? One average is 55.3333 the other is 61.3334. This is more then the +/-4 ops

[obsidian harbor]

What about reducing the loss/gain of ranking in a match where matchmaking has to go outside the initial "bracket"?

[sharp lichen]

Arena absolutely a mess! It was horribly unbalanced before in matchmaking. The +/-4 never worked. I have played against players 5-6 levels below me, and when I was a lower level it could be 5-6 levels higher. Now this arena has gone off a cliff with the Vengeance. It's become a Who Has Vengeance vs. Everyone Else. Vengeance is an auto win every damn time. And just to make it worse, you CANNOT SURRENDER or DECLINE LOPSIDED MATCHES. So we are stuck in a match for 5-9min getting even more upset off at the imbalance. Fewer people are playing arena as I constantly get matched against the same players over and over and over.

But wait there's more! The mode is like running through mud. You move at a snails pace sometimes, other ships don't, clicks don't register, ships change direction you are locked on and you just move right past them not changing direction, the 11:01pm server swap ALWAYS SCREWS up a match. All this bs in a small window that makes it the absolute worst night of the week in this Triple F game

[tardy shore]

You should buy the emergency button ship skin, which draws 10$ from your credit card each time you press it but instantly kills opposite players.

[broken star]

<@&509690795536941056> I'm sure I've seen this before, but Arena Group Chat would be a very useful feature

[sharp lichen]

Pretty sure they monetize it for $99.99

[spice edge]

This is wrong and looks like AI crap. You get the same win/loss regardless of who your enemy is, it just depends on your rank. The claim otherwise is thus incorrect, and the whole think reeks of AI summary.

[chrome kestrel]

I've never had an issue with arenas 😁 👍

[crude wagon]

It’s absolutely trash 10 times joined 10 times against 70er how you want win ????

[plucky flint]

@spice edge unfortunately is is ai but true. I was gold 3 , win 500pt, loose 275 pt for months, then suddenly a loose is 600pt. why? next loss 275 pt. so it's the usually scopely math bull longa

[lilac lichen]

<@&509690795536941056> September feels like the perfect month to free the Terran store from arenas

[spice fjord]

There's no such thing as skill based PvP in STFC. Rank is an approximation of paid power, setups within your alliances as groups, and the feeding of lower levels underpaid players to you.

[spice edge]

It depends on your rank, at somewhere around Gold 2 or 1, can't remember exactly, you start losing the same amount as you'd get for winning. Before that you can advance with a less than 50% win rate, above it you need to win more than you lose.

It's not about how strong the enemy is though, that doesn't make a difference. At Platinum 1 you win or lose 1K points, whether you're getting stomped by people 10 ops higher or feeling bad because it's given you first timers.

[sharp lagoon]

Have you ever asked yourselves why an entire faction store is locked behind a player's availability during a brief window of time on Mondays? You all work in IT, right?

[safe frost]

i have seen fat cubes just follow a ship around for 3 minutes without doing anything while losing the match, there absolutely is pvp skill in this game.

[lapis mirage]

Ship selection, crewing, understanding FT/CT, focus on artifacts... that is it, if you want to call that "PvP skill"

[spice edge]

You can beat stronger people if they're not on the ball with armadas and you use all the tricks. But one person who knows what they're doing with a speed crew that can kill your PvP setups is pretty much unbeatable with any amount of skill.

[quiet ridge]

Huh

[quiet ridge]

p being attach bye haters

i dont know how to show case my songs

[tardy roost]

<@&509690795536941056> Redis Lab maintenance is during APAC arenas tomorrow. any chance to try and not have it affect our arenas?

[sacred halo]

Arena is undoubtedly one of the worst events offered here. The basic idea is truly commendable. The execution/implementation of the theme is ridiculous. 90% of the players I know play a continuous mission without fighting, just to grab the starting bonuses. They do this because it's simply frustrating to be pitted against players who basically knock you out of the quadrant. So your only choice is to pointlessly send ships for hours without fighting, or to forgot the arena.

[plucky briar]

i stopped playing arena's. it def was a great concept, but with power creep and primes... it just becomes a slaughter house

[robust bobcat]

I have accepted that Mirror uhura will never be part of my officer portfolio and stopped trying! If she could be sourced from anywhere else I’d not even have to think of how annoyingly bad arenas are, as it is I see it every week and think…. If only it worked I could get that officer and then ignore it 🤣

[rare oyster]

Arenas are one of the most frustrating mechanics in the game for me.
The hope of obtaining useful things like effiencies/officers/artifacts/mirror dust etc all hidden behind the fact that if you are not a top spender in your bracket you dont have a chance.
The match making is clearly made to give you false hope with a win almost guaranteed to start with, quickly followed up with match making outside your bracket or just a very high spender thats untouchable.
It wouldnt be so bad if it was cycled for one fair then one unbalaned match. But it is not.

If you want people to actually play arenas you need to either remove the negatives from losing or actually fix it properly.

[cyan void]

i know arenas is dead but can yall make it such that we dont get forced into the arena system. so if i face a impossible matchup i can instead do some grinding while waiting for the results(which obviously is a loss)

[viral condor]

this is madness.

[lilac lichen]

<@&509690795536941056> how about a Labor Day gift with arena emblems so the HUGE majority of the game can finally do something with the Terran store

[strong mortar]

or just play some arenas

[hollow thunder]

The performance is not good in the Arena. in my Screen, i am in the Armada 11 seconds left to start. This doesn`t count and i miss the armada and the win... next to this problem is, that my ship stop every time if i want to fly to a point... idk what happening. its annoying

[spice fjord]

I feel like you're mixing up skill with basic game knowledge, caring about arena, and probable game bugs. I've followed around ships a bunch of times simply due to the game refusing to allow me to hit them.

[safe frost]

that's not what i mean by following around. I mean someone clicking attack and then doing nothing while the other ships just flies in circles

[spice fjord]

Which still describes the same thing I am, just from a different PoV. When I'm focused on trying to attack a ship and can't due to Scopely, it's gonna look like I'm doing nothing to other players because I'm following a ship (sometimes swapping between two or more) and accomplishing exactly jack all. This includes times I've chased someone out of the Armada circle, sat my ship IN THEIR PATH when they came back and STILL couldn't hit them.

And that all includes when I'm using my max (throttled) impulse ship. Other ships just zip out and mine stands still and twiddles it's phaser banks.

[safe frost]

the game lagging out and you not hitting an enemy if something vastly different from what i meant. If they hop from hostile to hostile that can happen a lot. I specifically mean that there are no hostiles hit, no crossing paths or anything. Just someone clicking attack and forgetting their ship exists.

The armada thingis a great example of arena skill too. If you joined it before, you cannot pvp (or pve) in the last 10 seconds regardless of where your ship is. You can also fly back in in the last 10 seconds without getting hit. That's exactly the kind of skill i mean.
(no amount of skill can fix the lags tho)

[torn salmon]

Same Happening in my arenas lol

[sharp lagoon]

If there was more than 1 squad available and/or if the leader of that squad wasn't AFK, Arenas might be enjoyable. Participating in a short duration event shouldn't be this complicated. The ability to choose my partners is nice but public squads is a poorly designed remedy. Just throw us in with the next two available players so we can participate and get our points, please. At this point, I can't even get to the point where I experience the disappointment of lag and poor matchups

[shy minnow]

i mean 400 credits isnt a bad consolation prize :p

[plain aurora]

1. lag reddiculess lag lag like h...!
2. its true you can win against 66 rare with g5 epic but only if tvey do nothing for combat... its not possible if they do a bit for pvp
3. lag rediculess lag lag like h...
4. the playerbase that play is shrinking... lets play find the one who camp on 60 longer than my server exist with the american express platinum...
5. i forgot matchmaking... its worst... so rediculess bad...
   think i should stop playing arena... there is no more premiumdust to get.

[shy minnow]

never thought i`d say i missed when hosts were +-7 though lol

[thorn thicket]

It happens. (Licks wounds)

[fringe iris]

Tighten the bracket. The matchups have been beyond ridiculous.

Actually... know what? Screw arenas. I'm done. Allowing lvl 50s with 400m ships to beat up on 46s and 47s with maybe 100m ships is just stupid. You guys suck for this.

[shy linden]

matchmaking still bad, but I imagine a few others have provided the same feedback

[spice edge]

There's camping as an option as well...

[smoky patio]

Just... not this.

Friend from my alliance sent me this screenshot; fourth match in a row with this matchmaking.

[flat rain]

Another Night of Horse dookie Power Match-ups in the Arena 😠

If you're going to shove this gross imbalance in our faces, create a handicap for the other side.

[smoky patio]

💳 meta

[spice fjord]

Yeah this isn't how the matching works. Thanks for breaking it just because I had the first decent hour in months.

Also THIS is another reason for a quit button.

[sullen crane]

Why is this event still running?

I hadn't done it for months, but today, I decided to.

The lag was apparent from the moment the new system popped up. Most of the time, if the matches weren't grossly overmatched, my screen was frozen the entire time due to this incredible lag.

I thought capping the speed was supposed to help?

It's become much worse.

It's a broken event that is just a 🍆 swinging contest to see who spent the most money.

What a waste of time that was.

[golden mortar]

Looks like a decent matchup to me. Whats wrong with it?

[smoky patio]

Please for the love of god say you’re joking.

[broken star]

45/47/43 v 42/46/45 is pretty even

[plain aurora]

think he mean maxed power on the opposite... vs normal on the own site

that will be happend in each braked... more around lv 50 and 60... some player dont ops up any buy build equip all full and dominate... dord the same until lv 55... after there are player playing much longer with much more money...

[broken star]

Right, but the Arena mechanic is designed to match ops levels, not power. That's why the squads have ops tiers and not power tiers

[minor ice]

Yeah, that match is actually fine. One person on each side with G4 rare shipyard access, the rest at G4 uncommon. The power differential there is entirely due to research effects (which is how it should be).

(Out of town yesterday so forgot to post!)

Reiterating these requests because they're still just as relevant as ever.
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The Arena needs:

1. A rotating schedule that runs every SIX days, not every seven (or every eight days, if you can't stomach the idea of making something slightly more convenient when you could make it slightly less so 🙄).

People have jobs and some of those jobs preclude playing on Monday evenings. Let it rotate each week so that everyone gets a chance to participate, rather than being locked out of the entire Terran faction.

And if you absolutely must run it on the same day each week, don't pick the same day as the only other weekly event that gets massively penalized for trying to participate in both 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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2. Shipyard-tier-based matchmaking (i.e. "Kelvin Bracket" for Ops levels 40-42, "Newton Bracket" for 43-46, "Enterprise-A Bracket" for 47-50, etc.).

This would ensure that research, officers, team coordination, and strategy/tactics are the primary factors in determining victory, not massive numerical advantage. Note that spenders would still have an edge via Primes, FT/CT, higher officer tiers, etc.

When one player from the opposing team can smash your entire squad, regardless of how much research you've completed/FT&CT you've leveled/officers you've tiered (while they're using a speed crew, on top of everything else! 🤦‍♂️), it pretty much invalidates the entire match. You only see this when one side is woefully underpowered for their level...or the other team has access to higher-tier ships.
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3. Rank floors. Once you reach the bottom of the next rank group (Silver, Gold, Platinum), you can't get demoted back to the previous group. You can be demoted within the group (from Gold 3 back down to Gold 4, for example, but you'd never get demoted from Gold 4 back to Silver 1).

Don't overly penalize players for participating in the system, or eventually there won't be a system to participate in at all.
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4. An arena-specific chat. I mean...c'mon, this should've been part of the initial release, but how on earth did this not at least happen at the same time as public squads?

Thanks for coming to this week's TED Talk.

Sincerely, a player who has made out like an absolute BANDIT from the current Arena setup but would still like to see it accessible for everyone.

[golden mortar]

I dont pay much attention to the power number before the match starts. I have run into folks that were twice my power but it was not because of their ships they had to fight with. They must of maxxed out all their mining research and had all docks upgraded and other things that "fluffed" their power, but that didn't matter in the actual match. In the inverse, I have run into folks that had a lower power number then me....and they absolutely drug me by my hair all across the Arena.

[grim wagon]

This was the worst week yet, there are plenty of 56,57,58 on and we get matched with 63/65.... Why not just have no more than 1 level difference and be done with it. I'm sure it's the same at the lower and higher levels. Plus you enter and lose and drop 2 levels, you have to win twice to raise a level. Honestly why bother anymore, it just gets worse

[grim wagon]

Exactly, this is ridiculous.

[grim wagon]

You aren't wrong but try being mid 50s and have 65 or 67 best you up, the power difference is even more insane

[neon nacelle]

All these complaints, and I just came to say could you please rotate the night that arenas happen?? I am not typically able to get online to play on Monday nights, and have been completely locked out of the Terran faction because of it. Very frustrating.

[golden mortar]

I agree. Monday one week….Friday the next. Or Saturday.

[short kayak]

Or it could be open everyday for a small 4 hour window perhaps

[safe frost]

The matchmaking is already horrible because too few players still play, multiple days will just end with ops 70 facing ops 40😆

[short kayak]

That won’t change with less and less participation. Flawed from the start. All they could do is bracket days. So no 70 can Exeter on a g5 day 🤷🏻‍♂️

51-59 only perhaps on one day

Etc

70`s need their own day imo

[safe frost]

Or just push it to the weekend where more people have time

[safe frost]

Not necessarily, max cubes need their own day. The ones with a 40b krencha can stay with the lower ones

[short kayak]

They just need to bracket players better somehow

Participants will rise if the brackets are better imo

[safe frost]

It got worse over time because of less players, so just need more players then 😄

[indigo lagoon]

Skill Based Matchmaking is always a nightmare. It's even worse for STFC since it's Level based Matchmaking with the assumption that all players in that bracket are in the same Tax Bracket.

[iron willow]

Would be an advantages for acceptance if not all ships must be at home, cos some ships are in token systems

[half hawk]

Levels are decent, but look at the power inbalance

[celest plaza]

Please fix this. New to arena and how are we to ever get a chance at increasing levels to gain rewards?

Oh look. , round 2 even worse

[fallen gust]

Thats the good part. You aren’t. Arena is a dead feature

[celest plaza]

Unfortunately I'd like to try to unlock some features

[celest plaza]

So scopely are you attempting to fix this?

[lofty kestrel]

Anyone with 70 shouldnt even match anyone below 70 <@&509690795536941056>

[short kayak]

There are enough 70`s, they definitely need to match against each other. If 1 70 on a team, then they can only match with a team that has at least 1 70 imo.

[lapis axle]

Worked fine for me today. Two matches so far, a 56 60 63 in the first, 56 60 60 in the second one (in both teams)

[lilac lichen]

No. Nothing ever said despite months of “repetitive” feedback. Tons of great ideas listed here but they sell credit packs so….

[tame root]

Ugh, just had my ships somehow recalled & instant repaired back to my base in the middle of an ongoing Arena. 3 frigin times in a single Arena!😡

Fix these infernally freakishly bugged Arenas <@&509690795536941056> , as literally every single week it’s just wonky playing in either one way or another

[clever monolith]

Arenas are so broke 💩

[modest estuary]

Not complaining about matchmaking - first 6 against ops 70s with 64-68 at best. The lag is way worse, the crashes, the ships stuck in 00:00 constantly 😡

[storm vine]

Same... Today there were some** really** strange things happening:

1. My ship was “teleported” back in front of my base in the middle of the arena (and the active cerri buff was deactivated).
2. After I buffed my ship in front of my base with a max titan, suddenly the arena system could no longer be clicked on, which is why I had to relog.
   After that, my previously max-buffed ship was back in my base (titan timer in cooldown).
   The latter is extremely annoying because of the 60-minute CD.

Both of these things are new and have never happened before!

[lapis axle]

The only way for you to make Arenas a viable and fun experience for everyone is to bracket players based on power level, and not the ops level.

You know this, and can do it easily.

Expecting it in update 83, thanks!

[storm vine]

The power level is not meaningful enough. In my opinion, an OPS bracket within a ship class would be much more effective.

[lapis axle]

Of course, but that would probably take more work for them, which they prolly wont do

[lilac lichen]

I still think shipyard level feels like the “ fairest “.

[silver nebula]

i think the game has some issues today

[winged sand]

Nice no dock in arena... first ship stuck in combat full time. restart and now docks are gone

[worldly obsidian]

I would say matchmaking is kinda broken again 🤦‍♂️

[spice edge]

What they could do is make the matchmaking more stringent, but make it so if you hit ten minutes in the queue you get an automatic loot that's somewhere between win and loss, say 700, and maybe a half or a quarter of the points you'd get for a win. Then they could have tighter brackets, and incentivise more people to play. The ones who AFKed it all would get knocked down whenever they met a real group, and the ones who played well would still go up, and overall matchmaking would be made easier by having more people queuing.

A full fair match that goes to points is queue+two minutes+ten minutes, a normal broken one is queue+two minutes+about five minutes if armadas are done efficiently, so the maximum for a result would be slightly over twenty minutes, but the additional players should alleviate that.

[short kayak]

How has the unity engine affected today for yall?

https://tenor.com/view/covid19-i-need-answers-white-house-press-conference-reporter-gif-16807566

[wooden turtle]

things seem worse 😆

[short kayak]

Being serious

[wooden turtle]

so was I

[short kayak]

I figured. Just saying. It’s important

[tired tree]

still as bad as it was beforehand honestly. I don’t see any real change and i don’t see any speed improvements

[lilac lichen]

#freetheterranfactionstore

[spare heath]

they need to so something with those that don't hit ready. at least mark them in the list so we can skip clicking on them

[finite hound]

Don’t worry you are not alone 🤣

I believe I can fly

I believe I can fly

With no ships!!!!!! 🤣

[fiery aurora]

audio goes away in arenas

[golden mortar]

Arenas are jacked today. Best to stay away. Ships stuck in warp….attack button that you can click till your finger bleeds but your ship docent attack. If armadas are there, they don’t respawn.

[kindred sleet]

Is 27,333,865,778 critical iso damage possible from a ops 56

27 billion iso damage

[sharp lichen]

Two Vengences against a group of 60s. Sounds fair

[faint wharf]

Not 1 but 2 vengeance, is that fair?

[kindred sleet]

Arenas is home to the big spenders

[faint wharf]

Another worthless challenge

[sharp lichen]

I'm hoping this game goes into maintenance mode at this point. It needs to be burned to the ground

[kindred sleet]

Yeah if they have those ribbons stay home lol

[kindred sleet]

@faint wharf how big was gnn vengeance?

[shy minnow]

Yall acting like that aint winnable this one on the other hand

[rose locust]

It's no longer stuttering, but the lag is still terrible. And by lag, I mean delay between what is on screen, and the actual game state. The visuals for me are smoother, but that doesn't do any good because I can't see what's going on.

I still have no visual indications of some attacks until after the ship is destroyed (no alert message, no red rings, and no ship flying towards mine). Not sure how exactly I'm supposed to do anything with that.

I did have the fun experience of the same ship destroyed by 2 different players though. It un-destroyed itself suddenly, I have no idea if only one of those PvP wins counted for them, if both did, who knows?

Edit: it's kind of like the unity update made the imagery work better, but zero functionality improvements. Although at least I don't have to watch something that looks like it's running at 5 fps during arena anymore. 🤣

[kindred sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/thing-for-friend-gif-26106022

Us expecting different results lol

[rose locust]

I am not a big PvP player, when I saw the medals/ribbons it was just an internal sigh. (btw that was like 30 seconds before this one was made) Overall that could have been a lot worse though.

[obtuse mantle]

49 in a 40-46 bracket?

[halcyon anvil]

A 56 vs a 69

[spice fjord]

Another week another reminder we need a quit button. Nothing like immediate whale to make me not want to even try more matches.

[grim wagon]

This is awful... Wait forever to get into a match and then so laggy you can't hit anyone. How about comp chest for the suffering and you kill arena

[spice fjord]

Hahahah fight for a second match and not only do I have to face my own alliance mate whale, there's a whole nother whale 60 with 2 3.9b rots. QUIT. BUTTON.

[deep gulch]

I don't normally gripe about stuff, but my L50 alliance member couldn't join our team, so why am I forced to fight this monster without one of my own only a few minutes later? This was simply unfair on every level.

[low pier]

Rev said to try out arena because of the game engine update. No improvement. Ship locations aren’t accurate. Ship speeds shown break the 275 cap when they’re not rubber banding. Travel times are incorrect so it’s impossible to know when to swoop into armadas to avoid being hit. Armadas don’t spawn. Sometimes I need to click on a ship 3 times before the targeting box shows up. Sometimes I have to click attack 3 times before a ship moves towards target. And a new one. My ship and my oppenents ship passed through each other as we swapped places while trying to attack each other several times. I’ll be single pulling with the credits I earned for a couple of weeks and foolishly hoping Scopely will iron out these technical problems before I have to decide if it’s worth the frustration to go back again.

[safe frost]

Thanks for finally putting arena on a different day🥳

[winged sand]

i did see Cubes moving in arena much faster then cap

[verbal ore]

Arenas on Fridays now? I may have to try them out again.

[sage shuttle]

They'll still have all of the usual issues, but matching may improve slightly for a week or so...Still dead content for 95% of players, Scopely have ignored it for too long, it's beyond their ability to fix now, even if they wanted to.
Better to wait for Arena mkII, although game will be in maintenance mode before that is a thing 😀

[halcyon imp]

any combination of your team could have worked with the lvl50 member taking 1 of the spots.
just not with you or the lvl50 as the host.

always let the middle guy host.

[cold fiber]

Here’s an idea for arenas:

• Make 2 modes: 1v1 and 2v2.
• Matchmaking must keep power levels within a certain range. Also, certain ops cannot face each other. For example, ops 60 has access to the G5 epics, so they cannot face a lower ops unless there is another ops 60+ on the other team.
• All repairs take 30 seconds and are free.
• Send up to 5 ships at once.
• No impulse cap.
• Ship abilities and cloaks all work but they’re free and can only be used a certain number of times per ship (max fort 1x, fort 2x, mantis sting 3x, cerritos buff 5x, etc.). All cooldowns last 90 seconds and reset once you leave the arena.
• Party leaders can invite other players to play.
• Make other game variants like King of the Hill, Capture the Flag, Keep Away, etc. Let players decide which variant they will play each game.
• Make arenas run from Friday event reset to Monday event reset.
• Automatically remove party leaders from the queue if they don’t ready up within a minute. Make whoever is left party leader.

[surreal wave]

Not gonna happen unfortunately. Arena mode is basically ONLY meant to cater to the biggest spenders

[steel dirge]

Looks like the odds were tilted

[sharp lichen]

Scopely is the most tone def. company I have ever seen. Blizzard, EA, Riot, GGG, etc. do balances every release. This is the only game I have seen where a company is like "we don't care".

[hasty arrow]

Out of 12 matches last night, 11 of them were good matches as far as matchmaking was concerned. This one was the only one that I felt bad for my opponents.

I was running max ops spread and they were close to it as well but due to them being in queue too long they were put in an unwinnable match. I guess having an average ops level difference of 2 was enough to make it 'close enough'. I ran arena for 2 months at 63/64 using the same spread they were and only rarely encountered 66's.

[surreal wave]

This is what my last matchup looked like. Haven't touched arena at all since. And that was 4 months ago

[deep gulch]

That's dumb. 😅

But thanks

[viral condor]

move Arena exactly to the time where people want to spend time with their families? are you nuts? >.>

[spare heath]

I think they're still missing the point on arena's (at least for me). it's not when they run, it's how they run. if they are bug free with fun and fair matching, you can run them at 3am on a Sunday morning and I'll be there

[celest shoal]

@muted badger , @gritty cobalt
Don't even need to wait till next week for the feedback ...
Trying to FORCE us to participate in Arenas by tying events to them while not addressing the matchups OR at the very least Untying the non-cosmetics in the Teran Store from a players Arena Rank so they have a Chance to get them will only UPSET players more.
MANY are not playing anymore because they do t want to lose what ranking they have and is the inevitable result since you will not MAKE THESE SIMPLE CHANGES.

[half hawk]

To actually have arena work there needs to be a rank gate, where you cant drop ranks only lose progress to the next, 70s cant match with anyone below 70 (power gap between 69 and 70 is massive) g6 players should only be able to match against eachother, g5 the same, on top of that the game should take rank average, and power average and have a certain bracket to match those into

The current system doesnt work 1 bit

[turbid osprey]

Well this really really blows. You change the day to a more rl active day. You do nothing with the time slot. This last week I had a 90% loss rate due to matching. My buddy has only been able to get 1-3 matches in due to his RL Work schedule. But now with the Friday move and no time adjustments that changes to ZERO chances.
Not sure how you arrived at the Friday thing but whatever.

[hazy basin]

Friday? Lol, do em Sunday so we can watch TV while be fed to whales. Support be damned. You don't fix glitches real time, waits for a Tuesday update that re breaks the recall bug, so no reason to not move to a weekend

[odd citrus]

lol as if?!

[weak shale]

New feature

Get to watch someone else’s arena instead of playing your own

[forest aspen]

Seeing others in the arena, what I've worked out so far. 1) You cannot interact with the extra teams 2) some of the hostiles are theirs, get an invalid if you try to target them 3] if you restart, you lose the view of the etras 4] the view is one way - an alliance team messaged one of the extras the saw and he confirmed could not see the alliance team.

[inner trail]

Gosh. Please don't force the match making. We'd rather just get a message "No Matches Found" than be buttwhipped by stronger players because the system forced the match.

[fallen gust]

Exactly what I want to do to increase arena participation… run it on a Friday where people have a life, genius 🤣

[loud parcel]

just wanted to update you guys, now it improving

[loud parcel]

i can count 19 ships there ✅, 24 in my arena right now

[cyan void]

somehow friday is worse than monday 😂

[rich cove]

Saturday Sunday in 2nd 3rd

[fair creek]

any new faces getting steamrolled today?

[rare oyster]

3x ops 47 vs 2x50 1x53......... oh so fair match making. Trying harder? I dont think so.

[spice edge]

No loading screen today?

[agile forum]

great stuff this matching algorithm 🙂

[spice edge]

Apparently restarting can recall your ships today.

[viral condor]

what's going on? >.>

[rare oyster]

New Multiverse cross over, Intended "Feature" 😂

[fair creek]

at least a creative new way to screw arena over xD

https://tenor.com/view/i-was-not-expecting-that-grady-smith-unexpected-i-didnt-expect-that-i-was-very-surprised-gif-27135896

[sudden phoenix]

Are the new arena events running on Apac?

[fair creek]

next week, this is still eventless

[viral condor]

why are there no events on EU?

[glossy cobalt]

Hahaha wtf

[spice edge]

Has anyone got the events? What are they?

[fair creek]

they are announced for the upcoming week

[spice edge]

Ooh, my turn for ghosts.

[tawdry sun]

Lag is worse than it was on monday, and the population seems much lower. Much harder to find a team in public, and the matchmaking is much more skewed as a result

[robust yoke]

Why can't you create a decent arena? The whole thing is unplayable. Why don't you just remove everything from the memory that a player no longer needs and exchange it for Lathinum, for all I know. The performance and server load are a disaster.

[steady bison]

What were the new Arena events meant to be? I didn't see anything when playing earlier on...

[novel relic]

Being in an arena with lots of ships from other arenas is not useful. Spend half my time clicking on ghost targets I can't hit. Needs fixing

[sudden phoenix]

They'll run next week.

[velvet condor]

This is incursion

[robust yoke]

You want some feedback here. Take World of Warcraft's Arena Points system as an example. Finally, get rid of the unnecessary crap in the systems. Finally, do some good work. This is catastrophic!

[robust hill]

same man.

[red yoke]

it's not bug! this is the new game mode called mirror arena 😜

[spice edge]

Look how popular arena is! There are 30 players in a 6 player setup!

[strong mortar]

this is mad... hows a simple day change caused this

its unplayable when multiple games are colliding

[unique plume]

arena is a joke, buggy as hell and lags like crazy, ships everywhere from lvl 42 to 70 , hostiles disappearing, unplayble

[dusky osprey]

so this is fun multiple arenas playing at the same time (even when you are in prep)

[median root]

still not fun 🙁 + the 2 matches at once bug :

[foggy meteor]

Matchmaking is still broken: 3 G5 Players with silber/bronce rang are matched against 4 G6 Players with highest rank. It"s just 💩 And the cherry on the top was this bug, next to the normal bugs like stuck in warp🙄

[median root]

3/4 times 4 teams in the arena .. but it is not laggy! edit 4/5 now

[ocean relic]

Other teams are playing too in parallel. Not chaotic at all...

[zinc estuary]

Entering Arena mode causes a game restart which due to the well-known sound bug kills all sound effects. Same happens when leaving the Arena.

[rocky crypt]

Fix this crap.

[rocky crypt]

Get rid of the ops 70. Waste of time.

[strong mortar]

if armadas are active the timer should allow it to finish...

[clever monolith]

please scrap arenas or fix match making or have quit button or have another way to soure dust

[icy sail]

Great matchmaking fellas. Top player on the left is smaller than the lowest player on the left. Top player on the right is almost twice the power of the COMBINED TEAM on the left.

[elfin musk]

Thank you for making these on Friday. Please fix the performance and matching. Wild mismatching. When we got an okay match one or all of us would lag out. Had to quit playing or risk deleting the app.

[scarlet brook]

What is up with matching tonight did Scopely change the rules. I have had two matches that should not have been possible

[tight axle]

How about you admit that just like the entirety of the game content you've produced in the last 3 years, arenas are a complete failure.

While the idea is interesting, you have not one week managed to have an arena that was at all playable.

From matchmaking to ship speed everything is yet again, broken!

I'm sick and tired of sitting here again and again on your Discord speaking to what are supposed to be, top level professional game developers, like I was chewing out a delinquent child. But unfortunately the work product you are producing literally demands responses like the ones you're getting from myself and others.

Stop treating your players with disrespect. Make a product that is worthy of our time or in short order you will lose every single player you haven't already driven away from the game.

[terse willow]

I had a lot of issues today during the Arena event. Ships not moving, lots of lag, etc.

S84

[astral skiff]

WE NEED ANOTHER SOURCE OF PREMIUM DUST.

Hardly anyone plays this joke of a feature.

Until you fix the fundamental imbalance of PVP in this game this feature will never work.

[buoyant garnet]

This is why people hate arena matchmaking

Game needs a button to just give up and not waste time. How about matches that are REMOTELY balanced?

If some group like this keeps winning there must be a mechanism to level them into another group so they don't just make other players want to quit.

[oak temple]

cut your losses and completely stop arena. it’s an unmitigated disaster.

[buoyant garnet]

Here is the next match. Seriously? How does the person in charge of this keep their job?

i stopped playing arena for months. time to stop again. keep it up and you won't have many players left

[white sorrel]

Arenas are the worst possible gaming experience. To bad nobody gives a fidge about it

[buoyant garnet]

how does this match the team on the left against someone with a 450 billion power ship?

they need to divide this nonsense into leagues.

[noble sapphire]

Well is not this just a fair and lovely matchup?
It is not a viable Arena System.

keep matchmaking within one grouping.
40's with 40's --- 50's with 50's --- 60's with 60's

My above Screen Shot's shows just how broken the Arena is.

It occurs to me that this is an attempt to make the game, or aspects of, unplayable.
1.) continue business plan to squeeze money. Doomed to failure. People will leave.
2.) if you are trying to drive off customers you are well on the way to killing the game.
Perhaps.. instead..
3.) bring prices way down to the 20$ range to make a steady continued profit

In the meantime, Considering the mass of profits you already have gotten, Hire some programmers that can fix the failures of which Arena is a very obvious one.
Sincerely,
A Gamer. <-- not a customer or a wallet.

Fix it Scopely

[flat rain]

Clearly we didnt work to fix this kind of FUN

And this Bug.

[crystal mountain]

For ops 66+, it’s the grab ankles and service The Vengeances event.

[spice fjord]

Pretty sure less people played than on a Monday. I had to reboot multiple times just trying to refresh the teams or when I tried to back out to the main screen, and my final match that took 20 minutes to make happen was a 58, a 60, and me a 61 vs a 60, 64, and 67. Nice balance!

Oh wait the balance was that the 67 was horrible and the 64 wasn't any better.

[thorn thicket]

Good arena tonight. Had some close tough matches. Got shut out during a few and shut others out a few times. You win some, you lose some. That's how it goes.

[whole nimbus]

Complete garbage matches again. Had multiple matches against multiple 70's when we had no 70 on our team. You shouldn't be able to match against a team with ships no one on your team can possess. Make the levels or the power balance, make the teams the same level, something. This isn't working when 60's have to face two or more 70's with vengeance's and maxed cubes with nothing but g6 rares.

[safe frost]

Had some nice matches with and without a 70, only one wasn’t winnable (or would have needed way too much effort with constant stings, max fort etc).
Lags did get weird at one point where my ship just flew through an enemy ship (no it wasn’t the last 10 seconds of an armada), but overall it was ok-ish

[wicked osprey]

Thank you for effectively eliminating any chance I have with the Terran Faction Store now. I can no longer participate in the areanas because you moved them to a day and time that I'm at work the ENTIRE time they are available. Just one more nail in the coffin for me quitting this game.

[strong mortar]

The fortification ability from the titan a should apply to all members ships in your team during arenas, not just your alliance members.... thank you 🙂

[odd citrus]

oh I got that! Very annoying

[sly violet]

is it possible to keep the arena open for 24hr? just like incursions time frame...

[ivory canyon]

I would suggest the other way

[tribal hornet]

I agree with sully. Im already at a disadvantage being on a public squad vs an alliance squad why does the alliance squad get a titan buff for all there ships but not the public squad.

Also the matches are unbalanced why allow the stronger squad buffs and debuffs so they can punch down harder. Allow buffs debuffs for weaker squads not the stronger squad to help even the matches or just get rid of the buffs debuffs all together.

Eliminate the impulse speed cap or raise it so at least the weaker squads have a chance.

Stop pairing the same squads. I don't want to fight the same squad more than twice in a row. Last Friday I was paired with the same opposing squad four times. After the first two defeats its not fun anymore. I doubt it was fun for the winning squad either just another grind at that point.

Allow spectators and allow bets of latinum or some in game currency. Arenas will become very popular if players could bet on the winner.

Friday is better than Monday because entering arena messes with mining Monday so thanks for moving it. But imo arena should be more than one day a week. Maybe Tuesday and Friday or so other combination so players dont have to devote a day a week to just playing arenas. Plus it might cut down on all the lag if everyone wasn't forced to play arenas on the same day.

Put in a timer like 5min for players to hit the ready button. Waiting around wondering how long its going to take someone to hit the ready button is stupid. If there longer than 5min disband the squad or let another member become leader and kick the inactive player.

[celest spruce]

The incompetence of scopely employees is only exceeded by their managers, and the managers above that

[minor lark]

Arena on Friday night blows. Let’s give up one of our weekend nights to participate in a crappy event. I don’t think so.

[swift bear]

💩 💩 never you listen players any times, you are muppets.

[crystal mountain]

With this update, this channel should die off. Cubes provided some measure of defence versus the vengeances now dominating arenas. Now, it will be a feather preening with a vengeance event - no pun intended.

[keen reef]

Gotta keep whales happy and not throw a karen

[normal ledge]

Yeah amazing how some rich farmers who don’t know how to PvP cried hard enough so cube gets nerfed so they can stroke their egos as they dominate people.

So many other things in the game actually broken much more worthwhile changing and this gets done….
Why didn’t they just leave it. As the vengeance tiers up it’ll beat vast majority of cubes anyway.. if it loses so what that means someone’s actually good at PvP they invested into PvP tech etc to achieve it it’s not going to be that common.

[keen reef]

Yup someone who has actual skill/understanding and not just money

[plain aurora]

not only... if you have skill and money noone can beat you... its a fact that player who can spend more money have more chances to win than player who cant spend or cant spend that much

[dull portal]

For Arenas, I dont mess with them, its a time thing. There is so much to do and I just do not see the rewards to mert my time.

[fickle niche]

amazing job at improving matchmaking. kudos 🤣

petition to rename this channel to #Arena-Memes cuz after 1 year they havent solved matchmaking and feedback is a joke

what a joke

wasted max fort

after restart ship is back in station, lost the max fort

https://tenor.com/view/flipsdesk-gif-5547444055233225754

[cyan void]

happened to me too

and they said they fixed the 0000s warp glitch

[cyan void]

n again

keeps getting stuck at 0

happens outside of arena also

[fickle niche]

i had it 4 times now. lost match due to it

restart and sending the ship back takes almost 1 minute

the match is lost by then if you cant stop the group armada of opposing team

but we'd rather introduce more stuff for the vengeance so can keep the 70's happy rather than fix stuff

[winged sand]

Well looks like i best stay away from arena again today and people tell me that there is arena based events tonight ?

[cyan void]

so mad at arenas today

so laggy

0s warp bug

chase a ship and can somehow end up at their past position

and then i go do events today and find out the whole system is full

[median root]

but they added events for the 2nd friday arena :/

or not 🤣 ...

to be back sth must have been there before 😛

[void crescent]

Does that mean there is no ARENAS tonight????? I was DROOLING for it!!!!!!

[winged sand]

Arena is on but there will be no events

[void crescent]

Musta missed that post, was not aware of any special events, although would prob help attendance

[still lava]

Cancelled are they?

[inner plover]

no, just the scheduled events

[spice edge]

Shame, was curious to see what they'd be.

[limber shard]

I had a pretty good team setup for today. Kind of upset that they canceled arenas all willie nillie like

[spice edge]

Arena still going, but no new events.

[limber shard]

So you can still do arena?

[robust yoke]

What kind of performance is that in the arena? It's awful. The same crap every week. After more than years, are you still not able to deliver a decent performance for the ARENA? You collect money for every little thing, but you can't manage to create a functioning arena. No wonder they're no longer spending money on the overpriced packages.

[sage shuttle]

Who cares, this is a mechanic that is defunct. Based on the latest figures, about 2% of all players engage in Arenas. 2%!!!

There have literally been more suggestions from players suggesting how to improve Arenas, than players that actually take part in Arenas 😀
Scopely have been ignored almost everything...And when they have "improved" stuff, they actually made Arenas worse!

[limber shard]

So arena is still happening? I don’t k ow what arena events mean.

[sage shuttle]

Must try much, much harder Scopely before (almost inevitably) unleashing Arena mkII

[still lava]

I never do arenas, I'm an OPS70...
Unless they actually get matchmaking correct, or let me go one-on-one, I will probably never bother trying them again.

[rare oyster]

Anyone know what the new arena events are going to be? I ask because no amount of events can FIX ARENAS unless they are actually FIXED.

I have highlighted the words that are needed to take notice off

[sage shuttle]

"FIX" and "FIXED", yeah,not really a Scopely thing, especially after the one and three month cash grab window! Probably why they want to run an event alongside the broken content....lt's a lot easier than fixing the actual Arenas

[rare oyster]

Here is some serious annoying suggestion for the arena mechanics. And it is one I do not personally want but seems like it would be better than what you currently have.

Make all arena participants have a set of generic ships, make it so the battle triangle actually works and only certain crew members can be used. this would mean all could join and play but skill and better officers (nod to spenders but not to much like CT/FT etc) would have an effect.
Research obviously would have a lot to play in these rounds.

Then make a ranking match, e.g. like a "you are in group D, so must win X rounds in group D before being promoted to group C, rinse and repeat for promotions).

Remove the negative for loosing. no one wants to join the death train if you make it painful to loose.

Also cap stats (deflection etc) which would mean ALL could be in the same groupings as max stats cant be exceeded so lower ops could play with higher etc.

[wheat rampart]

So with Arena canceled/postponed for today...are we gonna get a comp chest so we can still be able to do pulls until it's back up? for those of us that run it regularly, we use the arena tokens with the expectation of refilling on the following arena day.

[spice edge]

PSA: Don't start a Khan Champion in Arena - it will stay there. Not the worst thing ever, but if you accidentally left it there all week that would be very annoying.

[lilac lichen]

Just put a drip in IA, faction store…. Where ever at this point. I got to plat 2, got the G6 ship favor and bounced. It can be fun ( was def more fun before speed nerf ). But smaller pools, lead to harder matches. I haven’t looked at participation in a bit. But for most players. The Terran faction is off limits. I will never play again unless the new “cancelled” side event is good or faction store is disconnected (excluding cosmetics) from rank.

[drowsy breach]

is it really postponed? Still says starting in 2 hours

[spice edge]

On EU it's running normally.

[drowsy breach]

I see

[drowsy breach]

<@&509690795536941056> is arena on? yes or no, please

[clever monolith]

can you plaese scrap arenas and come up with better way for pvp as match making is way off its just win or lose or put a surrender button on instead off having wait 5mins after waiting 20mins for a match

[wraith turtle]

So initial post says that Arena Event are postponed......ok fine but then you modify it without sending a proper retraction to all the players. This is terrible. Just Send another announcement to correct the first announcement about "Arena"! Stop trying to cover up your mistakes

[dim lantern]

arena feels so hit and miss. one week ill get a string of good teams and others it will be awful matchmaking/waiting for people to ready up.

[acoustic eagle]

How can we ever expect to enjoy Arena through all this lag?

Ship bars not even loading on the screen?

Hitching up during load screen and getting stuck at 76% ....

Latency so poor inside arena, that your ship is 5 to 6 seconds or more behind what it should be doing, or exected outcome ... :/

Do better Scopely.

[short kayak]

Never fear. Arena events coming soon to raise the number of participants higher. That will fix the lag 😀

[broken star]

So, I know moving to Friday was in response to player feedback so I can't get mad at Scopely but it definitely seems like participation was much better on Mondays. Sitting forever waiting to fill squads/get matched.

[obtuse island]

I thinks its likely the arena announcement for today confused some people

[gusty star]

No. If the starter doesn't start a full squad it has nothing to do with arena announcements.

[obtuse island]

not the ingame one, the one on discord earlier that said arena events were cancelled

[sharp lichen]

And the BS begins with lopsided matches including Vengences

Can we gate off the Vengences already!?! Congrats... you paid for a Vengence, now go play with the other Vengences and stay out of our arena

[obtuse island]

but then they can't inflate there epeen by swinging it around, over compensating perhaps...

[normal yoke]

Make it make sense

[broken star]

Nobody is on so matches are hard to make

I know they were responding to player feedback and I commented them for that but hopefully they will just say they tried it, it didn't work, and go back to Mondays

[spice edge]

It seems to have got more people in Europe, I've done some publics and picked up a couple of N/A rated people fairly quickly.

[vagrant wraith]

Dear Scopely, please please do not have arena days with wave events, the servers can't handle the stress

[spice edge]

Tail end of Eclipse isn't exactly good for talking if you're doing it with alliance either.

[worthy dirge]

I have a better idea than moving arenas to Fridays.....

ARCHIVE

THE

ARENAS!

[thorn thicket]

This event should be 24 hrs please

[cold niche]

Don’t waste time trying to make arenas better. Nothing you do can fix the fact that most players don’t like PvP.

[spice edge]

They do if it's killing surveys.

[elfin musk]

What the heck? I got a message this morning in the app saying no arena today and log in to see it in progress!

[spice fjord]

QUIT BUTTON. I get into my first match after fighting your buggy game for 20 minutes and it's the whaliest 61 whale I've ever seen. 4.9b Rot and 4.7b DD. This is absurd.

[spice fjord]

Second match, second whale. Still no quit button. Thanks guys.

[humble jetty]

We just wait it out...

[hazy basin]

30m to get into one match... you need to give a second path to these rewards, it's unplayable

[chilly trout]

How about buying some actual servers instead of old windows 98 computers powered by an old man peddling a bicycle

[grim wagon]

This is garbage. 3 times to hit a hostile and can't hit an opponent. They can hit, we couldn't. Plus 63 60 60 against 60 56 56. Please just kill arena. You refuse to fix it, it gets worse each week with lag and ridiculous matches

[grim wagon]

About three Armada that don't register including the group Armada and the worst matchmaking ever. Played the same team 4 times. Ridiculous.

That's 3 Armada per game.... Stupid

[obsidian harbor]

is Cube broken in arenas again? squadmate couldn't send it to arena system

[fervent jacinth]

After playing 15 matches tonight, it was obvious that connectivity is still an issue. My group of three had several black screens, ships appearing to still be in warp, ships not visually pathing correctly, and noticeable input delay on attacking and ship abilities.
That being said, we were never given a match that we could not win or fight. Our range was 54-60. We never faced a player below 53 or above 64.
I love the opportunity to PvP weekly and hope to see some improvements to prevent the issues above.

[feral arch]

You mean losing i think

[thorn thicket]

Make arena 24hrs

[lucid sonnet]

theres no more fixes for arenas because they are now all player based ideas and that would be admitting they they were wrong for a year. scopely have never apologised for anything

[shadow sonnet]

Will Arenas stay on friday ? this is not a good day for a lot of people i've talked to

[thorn thicket]

Make Arena a 24hr event

[short kayak]

Just put premium dust in other events, and stop trying to use it as a means to force people to do arenas. Obviously ain’t working

[old crane]

Right big mean dog .. you need a holiday..

Cheers

[golden mortar]

I still like areans a lot. Like others have said, weekly PVP event excites me. However, about three weeks ago I pulled my last premium mirror dust out of it and all the favors. The MU crew didn't match the hype so all I'm left with is pulling GG Crown artifact. So while I still like arenas, Im not participating as much becuase of the issues....ship stuck in warp is my main one. Tying up my best ships and crews for the entire rest of the match. The ability not to actually attack sometimes and the armadas not respawing.....sucks.

[fluid crescent]

Matchmaking in general was/is the most grossly unbalanced system to date.

[forest aspen]

Fist (arena compete) event stopped scoring at 80/120. Will check back in around 90 min to see if resolved.

[cyan void]

lol it stopped scoring

won 2 didn't score once

also warp glitch still exists🤦🏻‍♀️

[marsh drift]

🍿

At this point i'm just waiting every single day how they will top themselves in making the game worse, but they do keep surprising me how they keep excelling at it 👌

[median root]

peak content!

[spice edge]

Not sure this little bit of trit and crystal SMS is going to tempt many new people in.

[frozen lantern]

eu arena will be 11pm starting on Friday evening 🙁

[median root]

eu arena started 23mins ago

[frozen lantern]

nope says on my side ingame arena will start on server 139 in 7hrs

the events are there yes but arena is closed :C

[spice edge]

Definitely doing arena on EU now.

[agile forum]

did everyone abandon arena days? 😄

[inland cloud]

maybe it's because most people don't like the implementation, balance or the countless bugs - and the speedlimit

[spice edge]

Kir'Shara for players when?

[vivid sedge]

Arena SMS doesn't seem to be scoring. Two wins and no points.

[inner plover]

Has been raised, when we know more it'll be posted

[ocean relic]

SMS is only scoring when you are the host in public matchups. Really painful experience as most of the players already hate the arena. No wonder only 6000 people play each time

[median root]

i got teleported back to the staging system 2 times with both ships ...

[earnest arrow]

Bravo scopely nice pairing!!! So worse realy

[ocean relic]

stuck. Only restart helps.

[earnest arrow]

Das sie das ech nicht im Griff haben ist nur enttäuschend!!!!

[median root]

thank god last week the events were shelved, would have been really awkward if they wouldnt have worked then :/

[fair matrix]

In german they Start Arena at midnight. Gz scopely for finishing arena. How can a Company be... Omg Client restarte and Arena actively.....

[median root]

as stated above: arena is open in eu (including germany)

[plain aurora]

hhat matchmaking is a bad joke

shame scoplay

[fair matrix]

If this is the ki of matchmaking : ops 54 + 2x 56 vs 57 + 61 then those responsible should Better changed Job to gardener or cleaner or sth like that.

[viral condor]

the arena event is not working. no points are scored

[lime narwhal]

You have to be the squad leader to score pts

[viral condor]

omg srsly?

this is so ridiculous

[lime narwhal]

Scopely, this the way

[mossy granite]

Just to say it loud and clear: Adding an event does not improve matchmaking. Has anyone from Scopely ever tried arena? If so, i would like a screenshot of their matchday, not just the one in a million fair matchup.

[strong mortar]

titan A should buff all ships in your team...

[dark solar]

Would like to point out the issue isn't not being leader, I got the event done while not being leader. But the leader was in the same server as me. So I would hazard a guess if the leader is from a different server then it doesn't score.

[brazen thunder]

It's not registering any more score past 50 , have done a bunch of arenas and nothing

On another note I think it should be
Winning get 600 points
Loosing take away 300 not 600
Just to help up rank up cos at the moment with all these mismatches and bugs its extremely frustrating 😑

[sharp otter]

Im skipping again the poop 💩 arenas still matchmaking is worse. Thx scamely for ruining the game

[frail robin]

is such a matchmaking normal ? where is the bracket

[mossy granite]

Just in case someone from Scopely reads this feedback channel. Can you update me once matchmaking can be considered fair? Its simply unplayable. Last match for me until then. 🫡

[short basin]

Nothing like forcing people to play arenas instead of fixing the various issues documented through feedback and just encouraging people to play. Awful devs.

[frail robin]

that's to get more money from hardcore pvp players....

how is even made the matchmaking? is there any SBMM as on other games?

[fair creek]

you can steamroll about 80% of players even without spending a dime on pvp specifically

its just when a bad matchup hits due to low participation when you loose any hope

[shrewd quest]

@inner plover I'm 10 points short of completing the Fist of Empire event - I've completed two arena matches but not getting the points? I can see it's a known issue, but will we receive the missing points before the event ends? Or will we receive compensation? Or both? Do you guys test anything?

[honest python]

Matchmaking is a joke…no points count in the event…

[dim lantern]

Worst weekend of arenas. I can’t even get into a game because no one click ready

[silver nebula]

ah cool not getting any points for that arena sms

[flat basalt]

Bit of crystal and a reminder of why I don't play arena. Guess I've had worse Friday nights

[south path]

How is this plus or minus 4? Please fix matching is the feedback

[inner plover]

+4-4 is for starting a group, not who you face

[keen sigil]

<@&509690795536941056> <@&509691205798592532> this event is not scoring

[inner plover]

#🛠-known-issues

[south path]

A 60 doses not stand a chance vs the 66. How can I do anything as the 56. (Possible fix it as this was exactly the extreme edge of the group ops +/-4)

[golden mortar]

Live UPDATE from Areans. Still very laggy, armadas dont respawn, ships get "stuck" in warp, rubber banding out the azz, ships not tracking right and you have to hit attack a few dozen times and sometimes it will work. Still buggy and glitchy. Thanks Scopley.

[ivory jungle]

The arena SMS should give Terran credits.

[median root]

it didnt register any points for me

[tardy rune]

Yesterday did 46 vs 60 in the arena so I feel you.

[summer dove]

Starters must be locked to -4 / +4 sistem to keep the game fair and balanced.

[tardy eagle]

Appreciate the attempt to temp me to return to arenas but until they remove rank locks of store items or negative rank. No point to me even playing them because all I do is lose and nothing of value to buy. Those who are playing. Enjoy yourself. Glad you having fun. I like pvp but not when there's no reward for being even food for the biggest of 70s. At 70, yes im food lol.

[summer dove]

We expect full compensation for the mistaken Fist of the Empire - SMS

[supple cradle]

Nice try adding trit/crystal rewards. I just tried two arenas. Still wildly mismatched and a massive waste of time. Can you add in the ‘instant quit’ option, or a way to temporarily change our alliance tags to AFK while we do arenas?

[thorny estuary]

Can you add a button to resign a match? Lopsided matches happen often and it sucks to have to wait helplessly a for 15mins.

[indigo trench]

Is Fist of Empire supposed to be working? Only one of three I have run scored. I should have 60 points and I have 10. 2 losses, 1 Win

Why is nothing scoring?!?!

[frosty cedar]

this arenas, I've been stuck in warp 6 times, been stuck in combat twice, and had to clear localization once because restarting to clear the previous issues made it so that the entire ship bar at the bottom didn't show up. all during arena matches

and now one of my ships decided to recall mid-arena

actually, that ship refuses to stay deployed now. after combat it's been back in station three times now

[golden mortar]

Same here bro.

[astral skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/please-god-just-let-this-end-end-it-please-stop-enough-gif-15929343

86 Arenas.

[supple cradle]

Ship was hit by Borg Cutting Beam, stuck locked in battle for duration of the arena

Also, arena main screen keeps getting frozen in background when I try backing out of that menu. Have to keep force closing the app to clear.

[gaunt mortar]

Ship stuck in battle and can't attack, forces us to lose our advantage. So, let's just nerf impulse speed again because that'll fix the issues ...

Arenas should be scrapped from the game at this point

[supple cradle]

Why why why why why does Scopely insist on forcing us to play their failed experiments???? It’s like they begging us to quit this game 🤦‍♂️

[gaunt mortar]

Basically. I tried because I could use the Trit. But not that badly.

[vocal horizon]

alliance squad got me sms event points, the 2 public squads did not.

[chilly trout]

STOP WITH THE CONSTANT REMATCHES!!!!!

[deft lantern]

what is this hot mess

[deep ridge]

I've noticed this for at least a couple of months. It seems to be showing all the various armadas that are going on that you have viewed recently (I think).

[chilly pilot]

Fist of empire not working I've had six matches won 4, 0 pts and time shows 1 day 3 hrs left with only 3 hrs left of arenas

[deft lantern]

It worked for me once I started hosting the matches

[sick aspen]

Matchmaking is horrible yet again why am I not surprised

My team mates don't even try I send out my ships just to get blown up by some godless heathen and I'm the only one trying

Having to solo an entirely bs and undeniably unwinnable situation on top of all the lag negates absolutely all good will dopely gained for moving to Fridays

The legit only positive I have is I got to take on a g6 uncommon and whooped it

[chilly pilot]

I believe some people join to get points, to many people don't send ships once they blow up

[icy sail]

Yeah, that tends to happen when the lowest player on the opposing team has more power than my team combined..

[sick aspen]

I keep getting paired against people I can't even hurt

[rose locust]

Arena is even worse (besides the matchmaking). The opponents are destroying my ships while a hostile attack is running. I can't do anything because the ship is occupied, but they can. Please explain how that is possible.

Also got paired against a team with a 110m power ops 42.

Did you sell a special ability pack to people who spend lots of money for arena? Kind of looks like it.

Also, there's a lot of players in arena, so why did a team (mine) with lower rank arena players get paired with a team of high-rank arena players? There appears to be a wide selection of players, why was it like that, and why did it take the longest I've ever seen?

Okay, just tested to confirm. I cannot attack another player's ship while they are in transit to another ship, your software locks my attack button out. However, others can do it to me. Please explain that.

[pure turret]

huh? you gotta be -/+ 4 to get in a group but its a spin the wheel on who you get matched with ?? How does that even make sense??!!

[wooden crane]

Until they find a way to make matchmaking better, there should be no rank loss from a defeat. Maybe give 1/4 of an increase of a win or something to at least attempt give you progress. Nobody playing a match should come away without any positive rank progress at all.

[radiant heart]

Matchmaking is utterly terrible, joined a group started by a 50, why are we facing 57s?

The event didn’t even score for the loss, this is an utter failure again

[cold fiber]

First matchup of the night. Looks like the matchmaking is still broken. That one 68 steamrolled every one of us. Nothing we could have done. You know these types of matchups are extremely common, right? It isn’t fun.

Also, can we talk about all the AFK players who NEVER even bother to ready up? Would love to be able to find a match quickly and not constantly stuck hopping from one to the next in hopes of finding an active group.

[normal cliff]

Fist of the Empire event not working? I have several alliance members with 0 points after 3 wins / several games

[sharp lichen]

At this point Scopely has turned off notifications to this channel and doesn't even pay attention

[spice fjord]

Thanks guys the move to Friday made me go from "maybe an hour or two of garbage matches when my gf falls asleep" to "oh hey arena runs during my workday so nope nada".

[proud hamlet]

i heard ypu have to be the leader of the group

[cyan void]

tbh it has been 0 Comms for arena since like I think 6 months ago

might be longer than that actually

[normal cliff]

Yeah read that but honestly that can not be the solution 😕

[proud hamlet]

hope we will get a comp chest

[gilded brook]

Does no one at scopely review anything? Just found this event this morning, a good 3 and a half hours after arenas ended. Don't take this wrong, I like that you added an SMS to encourage participation but your timing needs some work. Not that it helps me at all, not available during the limited 8 hours you run the event anyways. Plus why make a 24 hour SMS for a 8 hour event? Just to taunt those that can't participate?

[brazen thunder]

I did notice it was a 24 hr event 😂

[barren cairn]

Those matches look fine to me

[median root]

even if you had participated, for most people it didnt count at all or stopped counting. i got 0 points with ~11wins 😛

[astral skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/let-die-kevinmcgarry-hometownholiday-gif-24070701

[drowsy breach]

not getting points .... what is the point?

[drowsy breach]

I'm one of the die-hard arena players on my server, this just makes it all a joke

[white sorrel]

Because the people that actually play have spent the most money. It would take away their 1 halfway Fun thing to do.

[silk juniper]

I wasn’t getting good matches and quit. Scored zero points for loosing, should have received 20 points for loosing twice.

[safe frost]

Fist time I actually tried to carry in a while (ops 66). Matchmaking was alright, had some somewhat even matchups although every fight was relatively chill.

Trying to find a good public squad was incredibly hard though. It took me around 30 minutes until I was in the first match. Lag wasn’t a major issue this time, but it did annoy me that I couldn’t gather points for the sms.

[hazy basin]

so not addressing the broken event?

[sick aspen]

Cap

Not a single match up was even remotely close for me yesterday

Everyone in their feed their officers some hard stuff 🤣

[crimson condor]

What’s this anyway? Ive been meaning to see WTH this is all about.

[sudden phoenix]

The event was available yesterday, when the arenas were running. Unfortunately, since the event ran for two days, there was no pressure to do them while they could and some players are stuck.

[median root]

or didnt get any points at all cause it was bugged

[warm nymph]

i did the arena, got a win, but didn't get the reward. i didn't understand the point of the 2nd day of the event, when arena was not running. i thought maybe it was to fix the scoring issue with the first day, but then i still got 0 rewards the 2nd day.

i don't like that i have to break all other plans in order to do arena, and when we have issues with rewards and bugs and whatnot on top of that, it makes it a very disappointing part of the game.

I do have a suggestion: limit everyone to 2 ships during arena, and shorten the repair time. Allow players to keep their other ships doing other things, similar to a wave defense.

[rough oracle]

wow i got this to work at last

[manic jacinth]

Make Arenas a feature that is permanently accessible, like wave defense.

[bronze junco]

<@&509690795536941056> the compensation chest for the failed Fist of the Empire event was a joke. we should have received the rewards we would have earned if the event had actually scored. Whoever, the decides the compensation clearly has no idea of the damage they are doing to public relations and enthusiasm for the game itself This is just another reason to skip future Arenas. Scopely you are running out of time to save this game

[gray agate]

The Alliance Arena Should be Available When Players Reach Level 10 Instead of Level 40

[lilac lichen]

#freetheterranfactionstore ( favors, artifacts, officers, primo dust - you can keep the cosmetics locked )

[fiery aurora]

Give arenas a different soundtrack

[frosty cedar]

you play with sound on? confused face

[fiery aurora]

Hell no!!!, but it would be nice to have an attack soundtrack 🤣

[brisk dragon]

what the heck

[hollow basin]

Why do people still bother with arena?

[last vigil]

indeed

[safe frost]

Because it’s the only real PvP outside of incursion some people get.

[final hemlock]

It’s great if you have you are 60 plus with tons of research. Otherwise it sucks

[safe frost]

I've been playing arena from ops 49 until now (66). I had the most fun on the lower Levels simply because there were less chances of the massive power creep of an ops 70 showing up

[worthy aurora]

Cube got stuck in an infinite warp then couldn't access any ships

[median root]

no arena SMS event this time?

[inner plover]

No, they're postponing the events until they can fix the scoring

[median root]

if i look at all teh feedback every week since the first time arena ran, i'd say better try to fix the matchmaking 😛

[fair creek]

so no arena events today because last weeks event was bugged?

hope nobody tries to tell from the numbers that such events are meaningless in player participation without noting that it was bugged

[twin acorn]

Well matchmaking is as bad as ever.

[robust bobcat]

Reset squads on and off for the last hour and it only ever lists 2 public squad and each time they are full!

[winged sand]

Whats up with the Prep Phase time?

[robust bobcat]

The whole thing is 💩 as usual. I will never unlock mirror uhura

Level 50,52 and 53 vs 54,56 and 58. We need a surrender button as I am being slapped around the system by ships 10x more powerful and I have to wait absolutely ages for them to win only to lose even more points. Either scrap loss of points to encourage engagement, sort out matching or scrap the whole still dead on arrival experience <@&509690795536941056>

[marsh drift]

This is what your game looks like Scopay, look at it! Look at the incompetence and inadequacy that is your company, absolute disgrace

Ship lost in warp, ship lost in the system, not able to click enemy ships, just wow...

Oh btw, i can't click the center system anymore, also great 👌

[plain aurora]

that mm is a joke

[marsh drift]

Literally did one arena in the past 4 weeks, and i know already i'm good for the next 4 weeks, i thought maybe to give you some time to fix stuff but oh my lord how it became so much worse 🤣

[plain aurora]

feedback:
1st lags and ship positioning... if you dont reload the gamd after each match it will be horror
stuck in warp combined with lost all buffs after reload during arena... its rediculess that you lost all buffs and have the cooldown and lost the curency to buff after stuck in warp...
first strike... dont know how but its impossible to gat first strikd against some player in the arena... and iam not at that point that those player have icheb and tuvoc max...

[rigid void]

lag is so bad, I cant even see into the arena system

[frosty cedar]

the displayed power in the arena matching screen is very inconsistent. it matches neither my normal power or the power I get from the arena-specific Terran faction favors

it also seems to change with each match

[gilded brook]

Worst experience ever! Every squad I try and join, leader is either afk and doesn't check ready or they disband the squad after I try and join. Haven't gotten into a single match! Never going to try this BS again.

[frosty cedar]

with the exception of two weeks where I took a break, I've participated in every arena run since its inception. today has been by far the worst experience by far. I've gone from 65,000 arena rating to 55,000 because every single match has been a horrible mismatch

[short yarrow]

Can be done

[spice edge]

Outplayed them on armadas?

[spice fjord]

Great so Fridays are still worse all around and we STILL NEED a quit button. When facing a whale stop FORCING the match to go the distance. You guys stink.

I'm a fairly strong 62 facing a 57 whaling out with a 2.2b Sanctus I can't scratch. The PvP in this game gets worse every month.

[wanton rune]

FAIL

[shy linden]

I was in matchmaking for a long time, several minutes. When we finally matched and I could join, the match had been going on for two and a half minutes

[mossy gyro]

I've been playing STFC on Android for 2 years. Tonight has been the worst lag I have experienced in the entire 2 years. I tried the PC client as well, which was even worse. I have a good internet connection. Worst on PC was when I would check who was in a public arena team, then try to go back to the team list. The game would freeze and I would have to restart. On Android I was able to do some arenas, but if a ship was destroyed I couldn't bring it back in even when it was repaired. It would be stuck in "warping," with the duration reading zero seconds. I couldn't do anything. After giving up on arenas, I tried starting a wave with my alliance. Again, the game would freeze when I tried to start one, and eventually crash without starting the waves. I really want to enjoy arenas, but if lag is going to be this bad while arenas are running, then I'm going to have to give up on them. This is sad, because I have enjoyed arenas in the past.

[spice fjord]

Yay I barely managed a third match (find a way to vote to boot these afk leaders already) and you put me at 62 with two so-so 60s against a 60, 63, and a 66 that brings two 18b whale cubes in.

QUIT BUTTON

[ionic dawn]

Lots of the complaints around match making seem to be because people are hanging out on the match queue, not realising that if you don’t match and keep waiting it will push you into the next band in order to find a match…

Also, it’s not impossible to win against whales if you’re playing for points and get strategic about armadas.

[velvet condor]

Well from my experience, I feel that matchmaking is more balanced since it’s on Friday, probably because there are more player but as a 56 player I feel like arenas on Friday are good for matchmaking. I need to precise that I’m not high rank in arena but I do enjoy more than before. There is still some profess to do but it’s on a good way

[cyan void]

i think cuz youre not 60+ yet. while i was 56 matchmaking was 99% perfect matchups. the other 1% the occasional 67+ ops on the enemy. once u got 60/61 matchups are still good but the % of bad matchups increase and it only goes up as you ops goes up

[velvet condor]

Yeah I could imagine which is why I precised my ops because some ops range got a lot of trouble

[cyan void]

i pushed from 60 to 64(65 tomorrow) in 1 month and every week i play arena i can see how bad the matchups get with each increasing ops lvl 😂

[covert heron]

I've given up on playing the Arena entirely. Either the lag gets you, the unbalanced team, or the slower impulse. I'd love to advance but not when losing knocks you back levels of work.

[slate plinth]

I stopped doing arenas when they made them only 8 hours, the 8 hrs I’m at work.

[lucid sonnet]

scopely didnt know what a work day was until around 2 years ago, they still have trouble understanding what work hours means ... pretty clear from the state of the game right? work? whats that?

[slate plinth]

A-men brother. I think they only understand things from the point of view of someone who does nothing at work but spends all day on a PC, then plays from home before and after work. 0 regards for people with manufacturing jobs, skilled jobs, labor intensive jobs,,,,, but heck, guess that’s all they know.

[halcyon imp]

weren't they always 8 hours?

[slate plinth]

Yep,,,, but they were 4 hrs playable when I got off work. Not anymore. I been calling for a 12 hr minimum, honestly should be 24 so Everyone gets a chance. But scopely only cares about a small % of players anyway.

[strange mirage]

The specific times for the 8 hour time slot hasn't changed though so I assume you mean you are no longer able to play during that time? If so, to put it nicely, you are one person in a game of 1000's and may want to put it in perspective. Don't get me wrong, I wish they would switch up the time slots and rotate them weekly/every other week, but the reason they don't do 24hr is because the matchmaking would take too long. If for example (pure fictional numbers for example purpose) you have 10k players playing arenas across the 8hrs, you may have 2k roughly at any one time. Increase it to 24hrs and that number could drop to a few hundred at certain times if that.

[pallid hearth]

Have it be 24/7 so everyone can participate at their timeframe (even if matchmaking takes an hour it's better than being excluded completely based off of current timeframe) then use your events (12 hour minimum) to push participation when you want it.