💣-arena-feedback

[safe frost]

lag got really bad 30 mins ago and hasn't healed

[rare oyster]

Second week of arenas and first match was easy, then rest are lolable with terrible match making.

Heres a simple suggestion:
Match make based on ship tiers (ops level range based on the ships, aka, 40-41 (load of players so not a small bracket), 42-45 (also loads of players)).
This would mea its not a pointless and pritty much ego stroke for the pay people allowing others to atleast attempt to compete.

[storm vine]

something that should never be matched in this way. without a 70 in your own team, against a team with a 70 - wasted time

[safe frost]

also illegally fast cubes that are definitely not adhering to the speed limit and that:

Mantis buff just not working

Used up my juice (and that of a teammate) but still not stung

[dire stag]

What is point of joining an arena match just for game to lock you out. They need to fix stability. Every timei I got back in everything was error code 5 until it kicked me out again.

[fierce cosmos]

Again, a pile of Tosh. My squad is limited to being lvl 46-53 and yet we are pitched against 3 lvl 57, its not even fun, it's just a waste of all our time. When will you stop running with this useless feature and just accept it doesn't work and no one cares

[prime glen]

wow! arena has never been this laggy for me, can't even see ships

or anything happening

[modest estuary]

Max impulse 275, yet regularly ops64+ ships catch up or overtake me 🤨

[prime glen]

6 mins in, still 0 - 0 😂

this is the worst i've seen arena, whatever "fixes" were made in that client update needs to be looked at

[safe fox]

#fix arena matchmaking

[thorny pasture]

Nice one Scopely, great MM

[copper helm]

The Reward or should i say “punishment” system is the worst. Its not the matchmaking and i believe everyone can live with loosing a battle but ending up with less points than before is the main issue for me. At least you could remove the negative points from arena.

[uncut forum]

Ops levels are still out of control, scopely obviously don’t play the game at all this event or levels

[fierce cosmos]

Fully agree, the negative scoring is the real kicker. If they're going to have such unfair matchmaking we shouldn't be losing points on it. After all the arena matches I still only have 225 points, what a pile of

[limber cloak]

And the most frustrating thing about matching up against ops way beyond your class is that you can't even leave the match. You have to waste the time and the points sitting in a match that is ridiculously unbalanced . No longer fun. Whole engagement today has been 1 or 2 wins vs numerous loses and rank drop again. Not engaging on this anymore... it won't prompt my spend, it will fuel a growing lack of interest

[storm vine]

the ship positions are once again beyond good and evil 🙈

[silk tapir]

There is no reason post anything here. Months people been pointing the same proplems over and over. They dont listen even to they say. So stop waisting time posting here.

[rigid ridge]

[granite dirge]

🤬 matching , shame as und scop max lev 60 , and we became 65 lev

[rigid ridge]

well this is fun. first time doing an arena and get put in against a trio of 60s

[fair matrix]

whats this scopely? you give me a team of 2 players doing absolutely NOTHING and i got to fight 1 vs 3 ?!? at least ban such players from arena they ruin it

[rigid ridge]

lol probably was hoping the other team would be balanced to at least do something.

[silver nebula]

that is actually the dream. easiest solo clap there

[grave badge]

If you're not going to sort matchmaking properly can we at least have it where once you reach a rank you stay there? By all means reduce progress to the next one following a loss but don't drop us back down, especially when it's clear within the first 30 seconds who's going to win

[rigid ridge]

what's the point of this crap. it's infuriating to be matched against a trio of 60s

[sullen elbow]

My team had created a squad limited to only ops 40 to 44, but the enemy squad had an ops 46. Why is this? I thought the new squad matching limited ops to a specific +/- 4 range from the starter.

[inner plover]

no

[fair creek]

imagin a finite amount of players, for this example we say 12... 3 are 40-44, 9 are 45-50
and thats just for a timespan of 5 minutes, nobody else searches for enemies in that time... how often do you think the 40-44 wil meet equal enemies? exactly... 0

[inner plover]

the range is for your group, not who who you face

[fair creek]

when you wait for a match longer than 2 minutes you can almost guarantee a bad matchup, either for you or your enemies

[brisk rapids]

It would be useful to be able to send a message to people so we can tell them to ready up

It would also be useful to be able to join a squad from this screen as well.

[buoyant lodge]

there should be a surrender button

[plain aurora]

<@&509690795536941056> kleines feedback
die Stabilität der Server lässt sehr zu eünschdn übrig.
Gamecrash im besten kampf den man dadurch verliert ist einfach nur lächerlich...
Das Matchmakinv war ok... nicht gut aber auch nicht extrem daneben.
Dem Gameplay wäre geholfen wenn das Sysgem stabiler laufen würde.

[pastel skiff]

having problems with the screen to view arena squads.....just like @prime glen

[surreal topaz]

There aren't even any public squads to join... Arenas is on life support, if not totally dead.

[drowsy breach]

If you start a public squad, please, for the love of god hit "ready"!

[lyric nacelle]

Same ol lag ( ships not moving/rubber banding across the system). Match making is still lopsided unless you pay....and the game times out when it's loading or unloading the arena....bleh 🤮

[chrome turret]

public needs a rework. if you create one, and 2 people join and ready, and you cant be arsed to ready up in about 2 minutes, then it should disband/kick you

aditionaly, if your someone looking to join a public squad, hitting join should be your admission of "ready"

would also help if when we see 2/3, we can see whos ready. no need to waste time joining someone whos never gonna ready up

wait let me make a speech that will make them listen...
"i was so excited for arena when i hit ops 40+. i was planning on spending real life money dollar bills on all the pay to win pvp things. but now i see its impossible to get a match in arena. so my wallet will stay in my pocket too bad,"

[obtuse blaze]

You barely know that op53 can only build uncommon faction ships meanwhile players with op56+ can build whatever they want and you still matching bunch of op50-54 with some other op56+ guys. This mode is not even in beta testing phase. Its broken. From the day 1. Publics are nightmare unless you spent a ton. Im only getting points by losing every single arenas.

[chrome turret]

i dont mind losing for points i just wish it would let me actually get in a match

[wintry sparrow]

<@&509690795536941056> Explain how this is a fair match? #pure$copely

[spice fjord]

Still needs a quit option. Stop wasting my damn time every week vs whale after whale after whale

[faint wharf]

Look at this, it shouts disrespect because it's obviously not fair.
This is not fun, interesting, or worth the time loosing. Get your act together please and have a greater day than I.

[solemn kelp]

did they changed the ops bands?

[chrome turret]

oh like a concede option after either half the timer is gone, or other team has reached half the points. thatd be nice

[spice fjord]

I don't wanna wait that long. I see a Tantalus Field I'm already done.

[chrome turret]

no then people would abuse it for points

[arctic bramble]

Still 7 or more points of banding between the oppossing teams. Narrow that to make them more fair

[tiny kraken]

Bhai dimaag ka bhosada ho gaya ye chutiya game khelte khelte

[tardy eagle]

Tried out arenas again after saying I never would do with such a bad ranking system and not really rewarding time given for them whales to beat down on me. Love the public squads but im over arenas. Impossible to advance rank, no point for me to play it. And dont say I get the trophies things, not worth a thing if you cant spend on anything good.

[azure cradle]

So this is Scopelys Idea of "Balanced"?

[pastel skiff]

why am I CONSTANTLY getting matches vs ops 60s. That should be impossible. my (very large) alliance has about given up on this except for our G6 players

[iron thorn]

What an absolute dumpster fire this “feature” has become

It takes forever and I’ve lost every public arena match so far. The matchmaking is garbage.

[pastel skiff]

Amen

Even the worst G5 ship of the worst 60 in the world can beat every ship of every player on my squad. Just a waste

[spice fjord]

Yes thats right. The massive abuse of "bailing a bunch of times to eventually get enough points to matter" balanced against "making the entire event not a massive waste of time for non-payers". You're also assuming that every single 3 person squad will always agree to bail every single match just to get minimal points rather than even consider playing a match.

This is a massive lack of logical thinking that borders on ridiculousness.

[chrome turret]

if you say so

[alpine lagoon]

The lag was horrendous today, got my pulls for the week and got out. Arena matchups are still broken but what else is new

[fluid current]

If only they would remove the impulse speed cap, then under-matched teams would have a chance at winning and might actually try. Instead of the outcome being determined by the matchmaking screen

But then the biggest whales wouldn't win every match and Scopely would hate to disappoint the 1% top spenders.

[old timber]

Arenas are not well thought out. Match making is terrible since there is apparently no ranking system. I hand it to the well coordinated, advanced teams but there is no way to advance at this point if not already a gold team no way to improve beyond silver. It is full speed backwards.

Another good idea Scopely’s execution will kill.

[spring zinc]

Ship is never where it shows(lag), top arena ranked players boot lower ranked players from teams, forcing the leftovers onto the same teams. This way the top players win even easier.
This is what scopley wants, teams of high spenders beating everyone else up. The only way to win is spend, and if you don't like it, quit

[old timber]

From what I have discussed with better teams even they dont like. Blow out wins or teams that give up no fun for anyone.

[spring zinc]

They even disabled tal against LVL 60s, and took away the speed crews, so the little guys can't do anything

[old timber]

Big spenders can buy the limited rewards without wasting the time.

[wet rover]

Pointless, waste of time. This is "matching"??????

[spring zinc]

That's what they want, spenders get positive experience, and they hope you will get mad and spend to catch up

[old timber]

Speed crews help big players more. I faced numerous 70’s that were so fast they killed my ships before I could even set s course.

[azure cradle]

It shouldn’t take 4 hours of game play ( all losses) just to have enough for 1 week of refines. How this quality of life?

[spring zinc]

the matches are intentional. This is not random that teams of top LVL arenas ranked players, are smashing low level bronze/silver teams.

[cloud prairie]

Sure wish you would vary the timeframe for arenas so that those of us consistently unavailable weren’t consistently screwed

[split sentinel]

Can we please get a loadout for these things? It takes a long time to get setup for them

[normal sandal]

Lot of issues tonight:

• lag on armadas
• forced game restarts, sometimes three in a row
• repeating error 5 messages after restarting, then getting kicked again
  Overall really bad experience this week

[shut gull]

How about fixing the issue where you don’t play the same team x5 times in a row

I got 6 loses today to 2 teams. Gross

You can put FC Lorca on a cooldown for hours, but you can’t install a mechanic not to face the same over and over and over again?

[wet rover]

They need to change the scoring. a loss should be less pts total then you get for a win. Otherwise, if you win/lose/win/lose you move nowhere and the arena becomes pointless. Make the loss only 1/3 or 1/4 less than the pts that you get for a win.

That way everyone is always moving forward

So, if a win was 700 pts, make a loss only 600 pts or 500pts

[vestal hazel]

Wow keeping trying to give STFC some honest feed back and they keep blocking my post. How do you expect to make changes to your broken game if you are to afraid to let people tell you the truth because it might hurt somebodies itty bitty feelings. WIMPS.

[inner plover]

or you can stop trying to bypass the filter

[sudden plank]

Not even close matching

[tepid osprey]

Yeah this mismatching crap needs to end. I keep getting my teams matched up against teams that we have no chance of winning against.

[thorn thicket]

It's within the limits and that's just how it is sometimes. You have a high rank as well, so you are winning matches. Im ops 50 and wouldn't complain about matching you

[tepid osprey]

The matching disparity of Sunsore's team (453,585,800 force cap) vs Sunsore's opponents (722,751,300 force cap) puts Sunsore's team at only 62% froce cap vs the red team, not to also mention the disparity in player levels being another problem. That level 49 on Sunsore's team should have prevented a level 57 from being in the opposing team.

[fluid current]

The crazy part is that in the first 3 runs of arenas, these matchups weren't a problem because you could use speed crews and tactics and beat stronger teams. With the impulse speed cap strongest player's team wins every time.

[tepid osprey]

I have always faced a similar situation with oeverpowered opponents and have never yet won an Arena match having always been overpowered and out of possible contention with every opposing team I've faced.

[thorn thicket]

It's happen to me and I've done it to others. +/- 4 from the starter that means the 53 is within 4 and they can have a 57. This happens

[faint wharf]

Really what are we going to do against ops lv 66 with G6 rare ships? If my team doesn't have that access? what are we suppose to do?
Really?

[thorn thicket]

Unless they bracket it to g4 g5 g6 respectively only, this will happen. And even then there is a huge power difference between 69 and 70

[tepid osprey]

That's a matching mechanic that needs changing as it still makes one team overpowered vs the other instead of a far more practical balanced pairing of opponents based matchup mechanic that gives both teams a chance to win.

[chrome sigil]

My issues with arenas today:
• refresh public arenas squads, only see same ones
• click join and either “squad is full” with 2/3 or “an error occurred” and can’t join
• re-refresh squads and same teams come up not filled… rinse and repeat for 15-20 mins. Only fix is make own squad.
• I had a 273 speed ship, right at cap of speed. I was getting caught by other ships moving MUCH faster, not less than 1% faster. If keeping speed cap, you need to fix some people bypassing it.

[wicked tulip]

Put everything back how it was. Bring back the five member squads, the impulse speed, and the seven ops range. You have killed arenas to the point where only a small amount of regulars even play it now. Since scopely is dead set on not fixing the real
Issue (rank penalties being far too high) at least try to make them fun and playable for more players.

Public squads for certain ops ranges are just not happening. But if you rollback some of the changes, at least more of us could play with the teammates we used to and some strategy would come back.

The vast majority of stfc players are not heavy pvp try hards, need to broaden the appeal of this event to get more engagement. Which would also solve most matchmaking issues too. <@&509690795536941056>

[supple bone]

So it took me around 2-3 hours of losing and a ton or refreshing and joining to get this much Currency. Too hard for what you pay out. Also, I subtract 300 as I had 300 before I started. We need more for the losing side, say 1k and give the WInners 1.5k. They are usually the ones that keep winning anyway they have all the Ranks. I can't get any Ranks. I got to Silver 1, and now I am back to Bronze as I can't even seem to find a winning group. SO I got 3.2k for 2-3 hours grinding and no wins to much effort for that.

[kindred wagon]

I can retire from arenas soon😅

As a 57 and generally being the highest In group, I only faced 1 60 yesterday. I clearly had all the luck lol. On a serious note, it's obvious what causes bad matches sometimes and if you choose to ops up randomly than clearly arena's isn't for you. And on the other side, g6 players will get it rough. Hence my stock pile.

[supple bone]

Congrats to you.

[barren cairn]

I hate u lol 😂

[grim knot]

Am not even bothering doing arena anymore, have not done a single match in 3 weeks and won't do them unless they change item lock behind rank.

[gilded notch]

I'm just going to keep posting this over and over until I feel like I'm heard..... PLEASE extend arena by a few hours so night time players can participate

[long smelt]

THIS!! Something needs to be done about time frames. I've participated 1 day so far, due to being stuck working during the time Arena time frame. My job requires 10-14 hour days, nothing about the Arena's current set up works for me.

[cyan bear]

It's already hard enough to find people to play with in my alliance with the +-4 ranks... if they narrow it any more I'll have little to no hope of that. It's harder to get teams the higher ops you get. If anything I think they need to widen the ranges again, but it should be based off ship grades, rather than power.

[cyan bear]

100% agree. I work for 90% of the time arenas are on. I get a couple of hours to play after work, if all goes well. Why do they only run for such a short time??

[digital geyser]

Lol, I’d be happy to just get to 8400 every Monday.

[worn raptor]

Not able to get to arenas yet but everyone complains about power differences. Why don’t you get rid of squads and just stick them randomly with others of the same ops level? Most of the difference in power is probably happening because people plan to get bigger ops player in theirs.

[chrome sigil]

I still think they should wipe rank once a quarter and make the rank rewards in the store some classic avatars or frames that you need particular rank and some number of credits to get to. Change the avatars and frames each quarter.

You can bet a lot more people would chase down the dang avatar they want.

[uneven wing]

if they wiped rank, a lot of people who got to max rank already would lose it
daily credits scale so hard with rank that I put a ton of effort and buffs into getting and maintaining

[grim knot]

The problem is that firstly, their match making is inconstant (probably due to the lack of player scoop) and they don't take into consideration that ops ship gate is too much of a wall in most case.

As far as am concern, I will almost always face a 70, the power gap from a 66 rare/cube to an Epic is too high. its the same for all Ship tier unlock ops.

They also forgot (or don't care ?) that PVP in this game is 90% cash spend and 10% skill (because you still need to know how to crew or where to spend that cash).

So getting a correct MMR is about as easy as winning the lottery.

So yes, they need to remove lock on item in store and put some king of season (that last 1 month, 2 or whatever) where best MMR % score get some cosmetic reward like any pvp type game are going (avatar, title, ship skin, etc.)

But am certain they would prefer to let that content milk as much as they can then let it die, which is a shame as it was a decent idea. Sadly they did not take enough (if any) consideration on how to work on their match-up mechanic

[sleek geyser]

The window to complete arena is way to small

[thorn thicket]

This is what I'm working towards before ranking up to the next ship lvl. Would like to be able to chill while catching up research

[tepid osprey]

Have the same issue with not being able to win as every team I've faced has had far more force than any team I've been on has faced players with far more strength and speed and better crews than any team I've been teamed up with. None of the teams I've been on have been able to have even a chance of winning against our opponents.

[fluid current]

The matchmaking would not be such a big issue if they removed impulse speed caps. In the first 3 runs of arena, with no impulse speed cap, the lower powered team always still had a shot of winning by running speed crews and using strategy and tactics.

[kindred wagon]

Yeah for me it's having enough UC to make sigma pulls aswell as getting all the dust. Not that it's that important but might as well take advantage of what I have rather than go through the frustration that most here seem to have

[shut gull]

You think that but after having all favours unlocked and maxed I’m wanting the officers and artifacts maxed as well.

[lucid sonnet]

does the game allow you to attack a target by a single click/select on mobile client? or does it still work through a popup window to confirm attacking?

suggestion: selecting a target auto initiates an attack. will speed up combat for those not on PC (who can hot key spam).

[halcyon imp]

there is no attack hotkey on any official version of the game.
if you can attack using a key, you are using an unofficial mod.

and for mobile users, the dock icons are faster than the dock hotkeys on pc.

[lucid sonnet]

lets just say, ppl use the pc client for the mod. who said anything about docking, dont misdirect intent.

[halcyon imp]

my point is that you can't expect scopely to balance the game towards unauthorized modifications, and without the modifications the mobile version is quicker(unless you get hit with the memory leak, and everything breaks)

[lucid sonnet]

tru

[indigo lagoon]

1. Not an arena feedback
2. That would be a nightmare of ROE violations.

"Ooo let's see what crews they're running and see if they're Opc!"
"Whoops"

[lucid sonnet]

it would be good for a pvp arena only function ... just means ppl spend less time clicking through boxes and more time attacking, would think it be a good thing

[plain aurora]

<@&509690795536941056> its extrem laggy s142! and after territory capture the battlpass points came every few min... that serverperformance is near body injurence... there is no chance to defend 😡...

[lone lintel]

Think arenas should be if your max person in your arena group has a 66 ship then they will face another team with a 66 ship in it. Then same matchmaking rules apply to try get the fairest match in that.

[silver halo]

Ok, hunting red hostiles in Xa´Lomk. My Korinar and a player Cube are the only ships there. The Cube is impossible to track. Shooting hostiles from long distance. Not the beam.. Quite annoying when i target a hostile in a free area and it suddenly is fighting the other player.. If we cant even see where a single player is how are Arenas ever going to work?

[cyan void]

another day another arena, guess what I found🤣

also why can't I enter the gifts and refinery tabs in arena? my game crashes whenever I try to access it while in the arena system

I'm guessing it's just no one playing arenas? bad match up

[plain aurora]

think that should be possible...
the 2nd is bad joke youre right... think they had no fun... Matchmaking is way better later the day...

[agile fable]

Probably should have paused arena matching 20 min prior to Mx. Right in the middle of a match when MX hit.

[fallen gust]

Why is there maintenance during APAC arena times?

[timid kelp]

Yes makes you wonder, did maintenance know about arena, probably not. I'm right at present I'm not lvl 40 yet, but I can't do research or building at present. At least it's only 30mins, but tomorrow is 3hrs

[compact delta]

never question, cos there's never an actual answer

[fickle niche]

still too many glitches 🤦🏻‍♂️

• Ships not moving from their position while fighting player or hostiles (they move if you start an armada with it or press join).
• Group armada directives still taking 20~30 seconds to be updated after doing solo. That's a huge margin to lose if you are hindered to start the group armada on time.
• Restarting loses ship dock bar.
• Randomly a Ship cant be repaired until a restart after being killed as it shows stuck in battle and it still being in the arena system cant send another.

[cyan void]

it's still bad, I'm currently matched against 60s in a 54 50 50 team

also you're right, I combined stings and cerry to help my biggest guy and the other dude together with me just ran around on impulse crew and we won by about 2/0points

[fast patio]

Where are the rest of the armadas!

[mystic bone]

Hi

[rustic ermine]

Just when I think I might finally get the G6 favour I get scopelyd. @gritty cobalt please add Terran rank up to something. I’ll even buy it from the store. Just stop making me have to do this. It’s not fun or engaging.

[rocky bridge]

so, wheres the update notice to change in arena ops range change, now 4 ops either way instead of 3, now again more unbalanced

[strong mortar]

been 4 either side for a while

[violet oar]

it was 7 before they did the change

[strong mortar]

should be 4 either side of the person who starts only...

[unreal gale]

is that a fair match making ?

[tiny dagger]

The lag in arenas is so bad at the moment

[thorn thicket]

Yes. Within the +/-4. The power may not be fair but that's just how it goes sometimes

[chilly badger]

Wonderful matchmaking, you are on the right track to finally kill Arena

[unreal gale]

the point should be to match the power ... not the levels

[strong mortar]

rock small ships and then switch to big ships once in battle... easily triked

[teal grail]

New bug: entering the arena there is 1 solo armada missing. It gives a disadvantage.

[alpine orbit]

can't do arenas anymore, because of the ridiculous band narrowing I now face almost exclusively 70 ops and can't win a single match.... <@&509690795536941056> are you guys just ignoring arenas now? More broken than ever

[robust bobcat]

Public squads just keep rotating the dead squads that never start

[manic orchid]

I'm getting the same opponent for the 3rd time in a row now.

[red atlas]

Arena is so much fun I love watching big ships just suck me up and spit me on the floor laughing. And no, I'm not frustrated, I'm just not going to play it anymore

[marsh drift]

Cube was stuck so i restarted, how to play with no ships anymore? 🤔

[short basin]

Matchmaking is still, and looking like it will forever be the biggest issue with arenas.

You allow players to manipulate it instead of adjusting for shipyard level or something similar. It's boring, and the reaosn it's becoming harder and harder to find a public squad.

[minor grail]

I'm not in the mood anymore! The opponents in the arena are completely absurd. The matchmaking gets worse every week!!!!

[dreamy pelican]

Finally got a chance to try these again despite the god-awful time slot but I can't join any squads?

We really need another way to advance in Terran - Arenas aren't cutting it

[obtuse geyser]

My PC game looks nice when trying to inspect teams it just freeze

[lost badger]

So our biggest ship was 4bio, less than a third of their biggest...

[celest shoal]

I haven't seen the weekly participation numbers posted here in awhile... make one wonder if they (the ones who used to post them) have been censored from doing so

[woven lake]

great MM as usual

[dreamy pelican]

You think you've got problems? This is mining con-lat 😂

[celest shoal]

People mine Con Lat still???

[cursive knoll]

Urgh, between the matchmaking and those remaining seemingly increasingly being whales with maxed CT etc. arenas are getting to be an increasingly frustrating and futile exercise

[autumn dew]

Arena dead-end for players OPS 68/69 😡. Those 70s with epic-G6 ships do their own game, kicking us as soon as we join. And building our own group always ends with duells against 2 or 3 70s 😡

[rocky osprey]

I would love the ability in Arenas to do friendly matches - at least within my region.
I open a lobby and give the other team leader a code so they can join, no rank or emblem implications.
Could be a good way to enhance wars as well so people can just duke it out there.
They can stream it on discord and make a whole spectacle out of it

[autumn dew]

See my posting here: #💣-arena-feedback message

[rocky osprey]

I really felt bad for you guys when we matched up :/

[alpine orbit]

yeah I feel the same... honestly I think they should just ban 70 ops from facing anyone but other 70 ops

if someone under 70 joins a 70 team, that's their problem, but if your team doesn't have a 70 ops in, you shouldn't be getting matched with a team that does

could easily apply the same rule to 66/63/60 etc, if your team doesn't have above 65 for example, you should never face 66+

get rid of banding and just make the matchmaking rule the above

[alpine orbit]

<@&509690795536941056> @gritty cobalt @muted badger I think I'm onto something here, think it's worth looking into...

[cursive knoll]

There are a bunch of very obvious changes scopely could, and should do, to stop discouraging (and actually encourage) participation in arenas but for some reason refuses to even consider. Changing when they run is an obviously needed change. Not dropping below your current rank would also stop discouraging people from playing and would make it less of an issue to not have a perfect team as it lowers the stakes

[lost badger]

Dont worry not your fault, enjoy the easy win

[rocky osprey]

These are no fun for either side but yeah, sometimes matchmaking do be doing you dirty

[remote crane]

arena in both sides are deathbirth and flop, nobody wants to play this, it makes no fun. Scopely do not make anything, they think the players will buy better and stronger ships .... never Scopelly !!!!

[rare oyster]

Please fix match making or remove the negative points for losing, its starting to become a joke

[cursive knoll]

Starting?

[rare oyster]

Fine, it is a joke, and has been from the start from what I can tell. It seems to be a spenders ego stroker by design

[cursive knoll]

And they could still keep that aspect while removing the punishment aspect so people would be more inclined to participate. As it stands I'm actively being discouraged from participating unless I have a max cheese team due to how many points i get for winning versus how many I lose if I don't win.

[winged sand]

Such a lag fest in arena today

[remote crane]

endless flop

[rare oyster]

The first match making seems to be a easy win for the last three weeks, then it matches you against a group with a spender of much higher ops that shouldnt match with your group (I can see the groups forming so know that the group they give isnt the only one, pure ego stroking). And as Scopely are all about £$ I can easily beleive thats how its setup

[flat basalt]

Seems like the regular players have quit arena. 6 games 6 heavy spenders carrying the game because only 1 player of the 6 matters. Guess players who don't spend heavily on pvp should stop playing arena too now.

[remote crane]

Arena only for p4w players ! 🙈 🤣

[marsh drift]

One of the worst arena Mondays so far, not only talking matchmaking, but the lag is absolutely horrible, the delays on attacks, ships flying all over the place, the teleporting cube glitches, game crashing mid arena because of timeout on the server,... I don't know what you're doing over there, but this can't keep going on like this 😅

[alpine orbit]

The amount of times my client has crashed simply trying to join an arena team, let alone play the friggin game, is unreal. Clearly this is now dead content that Scopely no longer cares about, it gets worse each week and the CMs have been ignoring this channel for weeks

[limber cloak]

No improvements to matching. Same visual and command glitches. The wildly unbalanced playing field with tech is ruining game play. Too many clicks. And no option to leave a match when you're matched against a team with whale 4 ops above you. Losing interest scopely

[craggy wraith]

The amount of issues there has been with arenas has put some players behind as some times it’s not active for us but is for others

[cyan bear]

Seriously. I've had the game restart on me in the middle of an arena so many times. What's up with Arenas tonight? They seem way more unstable than usual?

[alpine orbit]

rank down needs to be abolished

sure, lose/gain rank, but once you hit a rank it should lock, I have been absolutely screwed over by going to 69 ops, I have lost every single match bar one today because of the 💩 y matchmaking system

[plain aurora]

<@&509690795536941056>
Arena Feedback:
1st Matchmaking... round about 10 matches Team opener 49 +48 +53(me) -
9 matches was ok in range from ops49 opener (+/-4 opponent lv) 1 match was a "are you kidding me!?" match... lv 49/53/57 no idea how do that pass against us... 57 unbeateble for us (pvp full equip with t11 lv 55 sanctus and 1.35b power)... may be there are some bugs in the matchmaker and we arnt the first this day... if anyone fix that arena will be bit better...
2nd stability...
was ok
thanx

[cyan bear]

Ops 69?! Deffo need to avoid you in arenas 🤣

[hallow sparrow]

please improve match making. this regularly happens where 1 team is completely over powering the other

[limber cloak]

After this amount of time arenas should be smooth and slick by now... game play experience is poor, enjoyment is next to zero... in fact at times it's actually stressful and highly frustrating... as I've said before, you can't even leave the match, you're just stuck in this frustrating boring loop.

[surreal oak]

Ooph

[blazing quarry]

Some Feedback make it so the starters are the same level not the first time ive heard and seen this suggested yet gets ignored

[rancid raven]

Scopely, are you listening? Will you listen? Will an actual screenshot help?

The reason people hate arenas is because you cannot and have not yet solved the MASSIVE disparities that can result in matchups.

There is ABSOLTELY no reason why THIS should have been a permitted match up....and if you think about it you'll have to agree.

But you won't fix it, will you? You won't do anything to make this not be the norm.

THIS, right here, is why we are so upset with you all the time. Because it's stupid, it's against the intent of the mechanic, and yet you do not fix it.

[sullen vigil]

Still requires restart after restart just to play

[wild bramble]

Please disable push notifications on mobile when I am playing on pc. I know that a player has attacked me. I know that we've started an armada. I'm actively playing. My phone just shakes itself off the table every time I do arenas.

[astral skiff]

When are we to expect arenas to be fixed? Impulse cap is not a SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.

[tribal geyser]

Guess who won this round! Hint: the team that had one player with more power than the combined power of the other team.

[dark cedar]

Hi. Long time player, first time complainer. I’m reporting what seems to be a technical problem with arenas this evening.As soon as I enter an arena, the game kicks me out and sends me this message and every time I try to load the game for the duration of the match.

[compact plaza]

public arenas show 1/3 and 2/3 and always say they're full when joining... great work scopely

[shy linden]

sometimes the unfair matchup is in your favor, but this isn't something that shouldn't have happened

[hazy basin]

There needs to be a mechanism to see who's hit ready. it takes me longer to find 2 people to do that than it does to find a decent squad

[odd bough]

Arenas are sooo bad. Please either kill it and put it out of misery or prevent players from losing standing and allow us to max everything out given time. It is the biggest waste in the game right now.

[hazy basin]

It feels like they're putting bots in the rooms to simulate activity, they never click ready even when full

How do people who are working Mondays participate? It's hours to get what you need for weekly pulls.

[outer yew]

Lag was worse it has been in a few weeks for me. multiple instances were im mid battle with someone already and it just gets out of battle and runs away. also getting an error that i have to check my internet connection and then have to restart another 2 times with that same "error" even though my internet is working perfectly fine

[snow narwhal]

The bad matchups could be solved by not pairing you with a group that has a player with access to ships outside your highest player's. There should be hard caps on level differences rather than this handwavey, making it up as you go along thing that's happening now

make the 70s fight other 70s instead of handing them easy kills of smaller groups, shorter queue times shouldn't come at the cost of constantly ending up in bad groupings

[lilac lichen]

4 last matches, 4 losses. At 2 separate times, faced the same opponents, each time, back to back. Not throwing Shade.... each group had a platinum pvp spender. Totally fine. Just back 2 Backs, really? it really sux taking the ranking hit. Also you claim you guys want it to be seen as "cool". Literally no where in game is it found. Where is the explanation of the ranks, where are the ranking medals shown, why does the LB have a rando assortment of servers in it? Pretty soon there will only be pure pvp in there - Free up the favors! I could care less about the cosmetics. @muted badger What is the current participation rate?

also - I like arenas. I don't mind losing, I prefer "fair" matches, but the ROI on my time is frankly not good.

[eager sedge]

Has anyone lost rank after winning an arena match? It's also possible I'm entirely confused at the moment. Thank you.

[chrome turret]

this is my biggest problem. if a leader has a room but hasnt readied, they need to be kicked off the board

[tepid osprey]

Need a vessel force on ships so opposing teams have a better chance of engaging opponents on a more even keel rather than an over powered grouping of players taking on opponents that have no chance of winning from the start

[hazy basin]

they need a resign button, all 3 players get in a whale fight, they can end it.

[tepid osprey]

Had that fight earlier where team had no chance against a 96 mil force cap NSAE Protector

[hallow sparrow]

going on 3 weeks 1 win. went from gold 1 down to gold 3.
might as well just stop logging in on Mondays

never stood a chance

most.my server has stopped arena. faction store makes it difficult to do that unless maxed

[obtuse blaze]

Whats the goal of arena btw? That those who spent much getting easy wins?

[chrome turret]

goal is get stuff free from faction store and not give scopely any money

[obtuse blaze]

You are not good at joking

[chrome turret]

i was being serious

[obtuse blaze]

Not even at being serious

Spending is the goal

All these favors are available via store.

[hallow sparrow]

and we aren't smart enough to all stop spending

[chrome turret]

sorry that scopely has a firm hand on your pocket book

[obtuse blaze]

Im not a spender, this game is for spenders by design.

And some guys supporting them at all costs

Like the guy above

[half yacht]

Just cancel arenas again

[ashen pivot]

If it lagged worse, it'd play backwards

[hallow sparrow]

they won't its complicated with faction and favors tied in to it

[obtuse blaze]

Still they dont know an op56 is able ti build rare G5 ships and they putting them against op50-55

[teal drift]

woud you shut this crap down it was fine when it first rolled out then you made all the changes and broke it

[half yacht]

It wasn't broken before??? 😲

[hallow sparrow]

truth first couple weeks were the best

[teal drift]

first 2 weeks it was fine

[hallow sparrow]

well if it ain't broke don't fix it. or scopely model it it works we'll break it

[half yacht]

I was playing my shocked face, lemme have it. LoL

[teal drift]

match ups suked but the arena was workable

[chrome turret]

what was first 2 weeks like

[thorn thicket]

Arena is still a blast. A little bit laggy today and could use those small fixes but overall good.

[hallow sparrow]

he must work for scopely

[golden mortar]

Arenas is a lot of fun. I’ve won tons of matches against higher power teams using several techniques. I’ve stoped trying to convince this crowd though. To each their own.

[spice matrix]

being able to see who is already set to ready in public squads would be a nice feature. I spend a lot of time joining squads to have to leave and find another because no one clicks the ready button

[teal drift]

who ever thinks this is good well must be cause your winning cause others are getting kick off the game giving you a free win i say put it back to what is was when it rolled out makes you work with aliance members to gain the advantage now its a crap shoot

[spice fjord]

Another stupid event day another request for Give Up. I'm sick of wasting my time against whales.

[open pine]

It would be good if there could be a Arena chat that pops up when with public groups. Also would be good for waves

[spice fjord]

Lol two weeks is a row now. First round Tantalus Field. Second Rd whale 60. Bonus this week the 60 also has a Tantalus Field. So freaking stupid.

[wispy brook]

For the public squad, allow players to PM the starter or others who have joined the squad when we are waiting for everyone to press the "Ready" button.

Also, allow the arena squad start to easily kick or remove squad members if they do not press the ready button after a certain duration, so the public squad can open up to others.

[spice fjord]

Three games in a row vs whale 60s we (55, 57, 59) can't touch. Wasted an hour in four matches I couldn't compete in. Give us a damn quit already.

[spring dawn]

Matches have been super lopsided (both directions) in all but 1 of my matches tonight. Lag, rubberbanding, and stuck-in-battle worse than normal.

Went ~.500 tonight, but that doesn't really advance me in the faction, so kind of a waste of time

[wet nova]

Trash: lots of lagging and wallet warriors.

[patent orbit]

Lag tonight and crashes were the worst it has been for weeks. I enjoy arenas, but hate it when I lose due to game issues. Targeting was 100% trash tonight, way to many issues of targeting a ship, my ship setting there for 3 - 5 seconds before even moving.

[fluid current]

have they removed the impulse speed cap? or are matches still 100% determined by the "matchmaking" algorithm?

[fluid current]

I would love to hear what techniques you have found effective. Ever since the impulse speed cap, the single strongest player has been able to catch every ship while using their PvP crews. I haven't heard of any strategies so far that work against this.

[cyan void]

to get stuff more easily, i play mostly just for the blueprint cost reduction, once im done with the g6 bp im outta arenas

[azure cradle]

Dear Scopely. If I’m unable to transwarp (which is no problem) maybe you can not spam me with a pointless menu pop up. Thanks

[snow narwhal]

There needs to be some sort of timeout where groups get delisted if the leader goes offline or isn't clicking ready for a certain amount of time. way too many groups formed and then just left sitting there

[kindred wagon]

A 53uc ship can beat a 56r. The issue is those that aren't PvP minded will lose the majority of the time unless being carried. Although not a sub 56 player, he took down my relatively strong scantus with a t8 northcutt+ extras

Your issues are relatively insignificant compared to huge difference in ship powers in g6 where there is just no chance

They also lack the player base

They are the ones in need of the favours locked behind higher ranking

[plain aurora]

the problem is if the rare g5 player(56-59) ist pvp equiped (ft/ct/topcrew) you dont have a chance as 53-55 player... same for all other... the basic in opsrange for the matchmaking should be the opener not the biggest player... if they do that the only problem will be the difference between players... ops raiser vs normal or vs player like me they go if all usefull things done... and other they dont raise... the opsraiser never win vs slow builders... can win against normal... can win against other fast raiser... thats the game and there is no chance to build a matchmaker that takes note of that all... end is frustration and a dropping playerbase and then the matchquality drops again circle frust-drop base-drop quality...

[kindred wagon]

It's why I've built up a stock pile while the grass is green. At 120k. 14weeks max pull

[safe frost]

According to some friends, the lower levels are weird

One thing I’ve noticed for the EU runs almost every week: the lag gets worse the more players join in. The early rounds are almost exclusively lag free, while the ones after reset/ mining Monday start get incredibly laggy

[clever monolith]

arenas should be g3 v g3, g4 v g4, g5 v g5, g6 v g6 not g3 v g4, g4 v g5, g4 v g6 ,g5 v g6 very miss matched

[obtuse blaze]

No one talking about spenders, in a fair fight no uc 50-53 ships can beat a pvp oriented rare G5 ships with 1.2B raw power. You can keep fooling yourself not me.

[kindred wagon]

Unfortunately like the rest of the game, spenders have an advantage dont like. don't take part

The thing is, nothing really is either far. How is it fair that some one holds back and plays some one of same ops but had the time to go op compared to level

Nothing really is either balanced. It could be made balanced but it will appeal to a different audience

[obtuse blaze]

At this point arguing with ppl like you makes zero sense. gl

[plain aurora]

balancing in this game is a dream never come true... there are no mechanics to reduce the individual gameplay or set it zero... think only for fast ops raiser is that a wet dream... but all other dont want that... and scoplay dosnt want that to... they will lost much money if they do and i can understand this... the arena is near on max possible... there are bit adjustments to hold the opsrange in matchmaking (take opener not biggest player no fight in 1 min cancel searching for new try as a examble)
my 5 cent

[cyan void]

here's a shocker, i watched a g5 rare die to a g4 epic, mind u that rare was 700mil power. i killed a crozier 700mil with my corvus, 300mil(with sting). granted the heghta that was used has tantalus but it still proves that if you do research etc you can win. utilising stings and max fort also helps, a lot of people forget that max fort and stings help a lot for your carries to win against bigger ships

[safe frost]

While that is true, there is always a point where you simply have no chance. If you as a 49 run into that heghta there is no way you’ll win pure PvP. Strategies still saved a few rounds for me, but If they know those you’re screwed.
No point ragequitting about it tho

[thorn thicket]

Did that heghta copy my name? Asking for a friend 😅

[cyan void]

the dude is from my server so i dont think so 🤣

[high mason]

<@&509690795536941056> yeah Arenas are still bad. I can't target worth beans. Repairs take too long to reset ships. PVP is still not matched right. It's a complete waste of time.

[gilded notch]

Again, missed arena because scopely can't seem to listen to it's customers. Please extend arenas by a few hours to accommodate all of your customers. Late night players don't get to participate and miss out on content. How difficult is it to actually run it for a few more hours?

[lilac goblet]

And maybe not on the same day as the Latinum rush 🫠

[gilded notch]

I guess if you're trying to compete in lat rush. I don't bother much beyond getting the sms done and that's pretty easy

[plain aurora]

sunday would be a better day i think

[knotty fox]

Expand the hours.... So limited and at times many can't play. Or at least rotate them during a month.

Sad that people with families can't do the arena unless they sacrifice their family time.

[knotty lantern]

Make arena emblems a buy option in exborg store.

[buoyant scroll]

@bleak stratus /take quiz

[lilac lichen]

so @muted badger how are you guys gauging participation on arenas? where is it at?

[sharp otter]

/take_quiz

[wicked tulip]

People used to post graphs the first few arena runs then they stopped. So either the data source they used was cutoff, or they stopped caring lol

[lilac lichen]

Well, someone stopped caring for sure 😂

[frozen swallow]

Nah, they're probably ashamed of the low numbers

[cyan void]

i run into the same team 3-4 times during arenas, used to be worse without public arenas tbh

[chilly badger]

In the old times you could overcome bigger ships with speed tactics, since we do have that speed cap in Arenas this option is gone. Unfortunately, that was a turning point in my alliance. Actually Arenas are just ignored, no alliance squads. As also public ones are not working properly I gave up as well, besides all lag and crashes. i really liked it when it was kicked off, now it's dead.

[cloud prairie]

Why not cook up some solo arenas, in the spirit of the PvP in Scopely’s recent acquisition Pokémon Go—1v1 matched by strength, three ships with time-restricted swaps… mostly about crewing

Solves my problem of rarely being available during the limited group arena window

[frozen swallow]

We've been constantly burning scopie here for months with much simpler solutions and they've done absolutely nothing, I don't think they'll take your suggestion either

[marsh drift]

Oh absolutely, this is more a venting channel than anything else, as long as the money keeps coming in, why even do effort at all? 🤣

[torn sequoia]

so much for been on the same level of + & - 4 levels fix this now <@&509691205798592532> and <@&509691611903426561>

[cyan void]

how does this happen? was wondering why we were losing so bad, only 2 players that participated

[dusty escarp]

The old arenas setup was way better. The one where it was cancelled every week and we got a comp chest.
Can we go back to that please?

[fickle niche]

<@&509690795536941056> <@&509690975057215489> i joined a public squad 20 minutes ago. We arent getting matched. How do i leave? this is absolutely mind numbing

[harsh maple]

Why can’t scopely get this right!?!? 🤬🤬🤬

Such a waste of time!😡😡😡

[exotic knoll]

Both my ships on the edge, 1 marked as being in the armarda running center... .

she's glitchy tonight that's for sure

[fickle niche]

can we have a big bold shiny "PRESS READY" button with flashing lights and sirens? for players with short term memory

[knotty obsidian]

better yet, flash the screen green similar to how your base being raided screen flashes red

[alpine orbit]

CMs aren't even bothering with this channel anymore, not seen them address a single complaint in weeks despite the massive uptick in issues with Arenas. I think that tells us Scopely's stance on this, namely "we're done with Arenas now, you're gonna have to make do with deeply broken content"

[fickle niche]

i wasted 5-10 minutes waiting for players to press ready or eventually removing them and then waiting for someone else to fill the slot. with match-making queue wait time and this, the average was 3 matches every 1 hour

[cyan void]

not completely their fault tbh. every week is mostly the same problem

[quartz thistle]

great matching scopely

[cyan void]

i think you'll win that easily 😉

[alpine orbit]

it is literally their job to take our feedback, the fact it's the same problem week in week out is indicative of them not doing their jobs

[glossy cobalt]

Why did you join an ops65 in the first place instead of an ops58?😂

[safe frost]

makes no sense to be a carry without the ships for it

[cyan void]

tbh im a 54 and i join 58s in arena, i just boost and sting

[cyan void]

i completely agree however they are only the bridge, if the devs or the higher ups choose to not prioritise this issue then the CMs won't be able to do anything else other than push for it to be a priority every week

[rocky crypt]

It would be good if they shared the feedback from the devs/higher-ups with us to give us some insight into what has and what does not have priority.

[odd forge]

Your matchmaking still sucks!

[glossy cobalt]

No fun in that, always aim for the lowest ops tp join. So you wont get a really messed up fight

[cyan void]

i was with a 56 and 59 today, we won all our games even against a 60 so i think depends on your team as well

[cursive fable]

Like, what?!

[cyan void]

ops lvl it aint that bad but power wise it is quite bad

too bad arena only takes into account ops not power

[rocky crypt]

this match was stupid. easy points but zero enjoyment.

[cursive fable]

Well, that 57 also has a 1B ship that two of us stand no chance of dealing with 😅 Should be more than just Ops, but also ship stock and individual ship power, cause that 57 is definitely higher than 288M...

[astral pebble]

<@&509690795536941056>
Do you realize how annoying and discouraging it is when you get "fair" matchmaking like this over and over again?

[dusky osprey]

completely unplayable getting kicked out 'check your internet connection' everytime the battle loads

[strong mortar]

playing fine for me on pc

[vivid sedge]

Matchmaking is an absolute joke today. Ops 49 and 4 matches in a row I've ended up facing at least one ops 56 player.

It's not even as if the team balances it out either, latest one was 56, 56, 52 vs 53, 51, 49... total farce.

No wonder less and less people play each week.

[wide leaf]

That’s the far worst arena for me in weeks… matchmaking with +5ops against and permanently have to restart as it says no connection

[main wave]

Matching is a joke, +2ops lvl all the time. There is 0 fun. No more again.
This is no point to play arenas.

[hushed tulip]

Okay 👍 thanks Scopely

[lusty bluff]

What do you call this? 🤦‍♂️😅

[earnest bison]

A completely fair fight 🤣

[limber cloak]

🙄it's more and more difficult not to swear in posts about arenas.... I lost 2 ranks last week, yet my power, ops, research, and ships are more powerful. Today 4 matches 4 loses, matched every time against ops 65 and 66... power is so wildly unbalanced and it's totally killed the feature. It's almost like you don't want engagement... how could we fix it so that loyal customers lose interest in our "premium" game

[keen cradle]

Yeah nice Match making

[glossy cobalt]

Thats not even that bad, i won many fights at ops53 when i was running with 2x50s and we had many matches with the other team being all ops53+

[limber cloak]

Ops 50 power bands are not that far apart, but in the 60s the difference between 60-63 (without every premium tech) and 64-68 is massive. Ops 62 I've got a maxed cube at 1.8bil... I'm up against 7-15bil, 4-7bil g6 uc. All matches lost today, not one win. Every match totally outgunned

[vernal dust]

Well then

[earnest bison]

well.... you had a good run....

[silver nebula]

Can we pls have a timer that starts as soon as 2/3 ppl are ready?
And once that timer hits 0 the 3rd guy that is not ready gets autokicked...

Even if that guy is the host....

[marsh drift]

Lol 10min into all events reset and the game is dying from lag, for the love of everything call backup to run those hamster wheel servers of yours

[alpine orbit]

<@&509690795536941056> I have now fully given up on Arena, not even trying. I love the rewards, but as a 69 ops it is totally pointless me trying. I lose most of my games due to consistently being matched with 70 ops players, meaning I am hopelessly outgunned. This experience seems to be the same for everyone who is on the cusp of the next rarity of ship. Maybe time to consider tweaking matchmaking so there's a hard block between these brackets. If the highest ops on a team is 69, then they should only face a team with 69 and below. Same for 65, 62, 59 etc. To me this seems like a simple solution to a very big problem @gritty cobalt @muted badger

[lofty isle]

getting killed by same team 3 times in a row feels frustrating...

[sand cargo]

Well...

[median root]

i still have questions ... tbh they are still the same questions about matchmaking i had teh first time arenas ran ./

[glossy cobalt]

Now this is what i call a messed up match!😂

[median root]

the saddest thing is: the match took 8,5mins and we were only there with 2 ships each at the beginning

[short basin]

Love wasting my time joining public matches trying to find one where the leader isn’t afk.

Finally find one only to be screwed over by the god awful matchmaking algorithm.

And then to waste more time sitting in base, unable to do anything cos the matchup is wildly unbalanced yet there’s no forfeit option.

Arenas get worse week on week, because less and less players are taking part.

[inland cloud]

Makes no sense to participate in this mess. Its a big waste of time.

[cursive knoll]

I want to like the concept, I REALLY want the G6 innovative engineering favour (especially now I'm G6) but it isn't worth wasting my mondays only to be faced with broken matchups that are just a waste of time, no fun at all and where I break even in rank at best. Losses are just too punishing and offer too little rewards, especially when those left seem to have a large amount of maxed q-cannons and tantalos fields

[pine gate]

100% this, constantly getting matched against teams with 6 ships that nobody from our team has a chance of killing.

For ops70 specifically purely ops based matchmaking wouldn't work either as fresh ones will have around 20B ships while the bigger ones have 160B+

Removing loss penalty / reducing reward requirements should be the focus to make poor matchmaking more tolerable. But it wouldn't be a Scopely loop if it didn't gradually get worse as you level up.

[cursive knoll]

Yeah loss penalty needs to go or at the least ensure you can't drop below your highest achieved rank. Nothing quite as "motivating" as ending a night of bad matchmaking with a lower rank than you started

[blazing quarry]

so after trying arenas since they was changed ive decided im never trying to do arena again... lobbys are a mess and you sit in them too long the game crashes ive had to restart my game 5 times in the last 10 minutes nice try scopely but im done with your "arena" concept you still cant get right i can progress naturally without whats in the arena store id just rather save my time and sanity trying to do it

[cursive fable]

This one's worse

[glossy cobalt]

Dont worry, my boy readyforyou is not to be messed with! But that 59 is trouble. Did you win?

[cursive fable]

We're going rn aha

[cyan bear]

Really???? No point even trying lol. 5 mins break and rest I guess.

[glossy cobalt]

Lol is that the 59?

[cursive fable]

No aha, the 56

[glossy cobalt]

Ahh just be carefull cuz some slick people throw in a weak ship first and when you kill it they show up with 2x bigger ship. Had it happen to me today😂

[marsh drift]

🤣 🤣 🤣

S-tier trolling though from your part scopay 👌

[knotty minnow]

arena is so unnecessarily and predictably manipulated, nobody needs it

that would have been a really great idea if it wasn't just about the money.

it has been said several times that it will be fairer and fixed. unfortunately, you don't notice anything of that at all

[sleek flax]

Then try this one. Pointless.
I've sat out almost all my games tonight and just collected the 400.
I said it before but Scopely!!! You NEED to put other systems in arena so you can do dailies and make use of the time while you wait to lose.
This is becoming by far the worst grind of them all. It literally takes up hours on a Monday night to get enough credits for the week's pulls, with no choice of when / where to play it. I should love this mode but I genuinely hate it and dread having to do it every Monday right now.

[golden mortar]

<@&509690795536941056> Scopley how the hell am I supposed to fight anyone when my ship bar is completely gone?? See bottom of screen. I can’t select anything. Any thoughts?

[pastel skiff]

Arena squad join screen is still messed up

[hallow sparrow]

Just cancel arena already. good idea but failed to execute. Match making still an issue unless your a maxed out 70. how you going to match a 66 69 and a 70 with 3 70s. don't stand a chance all 3 70 over power the other 70.

how you going to put someone 1 bill power higher than the other teams highest

95% of my server doesn't even bother with arena and it looks like most servers that way. just trying to find public match ups are taking longer and longer.

you obviously can't fix it since its been several months of this. JUST CANCEL ARENA ALREADY. delete from game.

[odd bough]

Please oh please remove the lost rep. Most games are so lopsided that one side doesn't even send in ships.

[crystal sleet]

Keep getting matched like this, what's the point to doing this?

[odd bough]

There are some very easy and simple fixes to make this playable and better.

1. no rep lose on a lose.
2. make it 2 entry tokens a day and change the daily chest. A single chest is 400 points and you get 200 per lose. A double chest is 1000 and you get 500 per win.
3. add a forfeit button at 3 minutes in.
4. if they want combat to be constant, if all ships are destoyed, the ship in the first slot is automatically repair, every time. That way they can always throw a ship in and fight. Even if they wont win they can have fun and fight.
5. instead of a impulse cap, they need to cut impulse down by 500% it makes the flight time longer but speed crews work. Just make the arena smaller.
6. MM should be off the average of the two highest arena ranks.

[plain aurora]

<@&509690795536941056>
Arens Feedback:
Matchmsking:
Group 50/50/53(me)
2 matches out of range from opener with 56 and 57 as opponents... win ok but the prob is +/-4 of the strongest... try to chNge matchmaker in +/-4 opener
thr other are ok
Server/game stab.:
must restart every 2/3 matches... that should be better... my smartphone is a Galaxy A55... that gsme needs to much ressources...
lags not much but some fails in positioning ships (own and opponent)
Think any programmer should try to clean the code to get better performance...
so long... my 5 cent

[glossy epoch]

Please fix the public arenas. Every time I click to join a squad that has spots open it says it’s full. Refresh and the same ones keep appearing. Do better😡

[feral scaffold]

1. Strip ships of Forbidden and Chaos tech when transferring to arena server - make arena about research and crewing for PvP (and maybe Fleet Commanders as well).

2. Drop the rep loss for losing games - the matchmaking is so unfair that most people don’t bother with arena now and they can’t get the Terran favours due to not having good enough lvl rep and enough credits.

3. Fix the problem with impulse speed so the speed cap can be removed - equipping ships with speed crews to outrun and keep opponents busy is a valid tactic.

4. Make the matchmaking actually fair by matching on profile power -I don’t for one minute believe that making the matching fair is an easy task given the myriad of research etc. combinations of players, but it’s been months already and a half decent solution should exist by now!

5. Fix the public arena matching process - many times on public arenas I join a squad only to be told it’s full when it came up as spaces available.

[astral skiff]

Until the Impulse cap and the never changing schedule are addressed arenas will continue to be absolute trash.

[lucid hull]

I see your 💩 match up and raise you a bigger one.

[hallow sparrow]

impulse cap was suppose to be bandaid to them fixing it. Time to rip it off it it don't work scrap it

your 70 at least power matches the other. all 2 of 3 70s were higher than the guy on my side.

but both completely out of hand.

[lucid hull]

That number shown is utter garbage. Should never judge anything by it. I've literally seen my number change between 2 back to back arenas with absolutely no change by me in terms of ships, crew research or anything else you can think of

[slender temple]

the arenas are a joke, same lvl players as myself and i cant even dent them cause they bought there power

[lucid hull]

Every week it gets harder and harder to get a squad. It looks like more and more people are skipping this mechanic. Think it is time I join them. Not worth my time anymore.....

[white sorrel]

Eat a large quantity of fecal matter

[odd bough]

For matchmaking, if they took the average of the top 2 arena ranks, that would even it out completely. It would be very hard for a strong player to carry 2 weaker ones without them getting too high and parian against 2 strong opponents. And even if they did, when they played on their own, it would be easier wins for weaker players. This would eliminate any $$$ or other advantages.

[astral stream]

It is really hard to play when you can't see any ships. I have been kicked out of the game 3 times and each time i can see no ships

[alpine lagoon]

I'm ops 59, there's no reason why I matched against 2 66s and a 65 when the highest in the party was 60

[spice matrix]

I have faced a group in public squads twice today from the same alliance, so they had the advantage of communicating with each other the entire time when my group did not. I have enjoyed the public squads but the inability to communicate with each other is an issue.

[alpine lagoon]

Find a squad is a pain in the butt as well, "squad is full", leader doesn't ready up, or the most annoying a rushed ops X that has weak ships and drives up the matchmaking

[raven grail]

arena speed throttle is still so messed up. every team we have gone against their ships have been moving super fast even without speed crews on board,,, fix this so it is fair

[hazy basin]

just curious if people without $ only FT are allow to face other people without it or are we only bait? dying to ships with 1/4th my power just gets boring by the 4th time.

Won't even harp on the people who don't hit ready, that seems to be a feature, not a bug. Bots to feign activity?

[raven grail]

i hear you on that. are you going to arena or not?

[rich cove]

Have not tried Arenas in awhile. Let me say this. They still súck. Will always súck. What a piece of 💩

[solemn kelp]

i dont like how ships are never where the game says they are.

[glossy cobalt]

You can beat others who are stronger than you without pvp ft on. He had thalron pvp ft on and i have pve ft. But i had pvp rare ct on which is only tier 2. Also no buffs on my ship.

[trim notch]

Other researches and buildings can factor in how a battle goes, and this is a good example here. Another factor is who ends up attacking first, and the ship weapon shots per round (which has a disavantage for some g6 uncommons which can be taken advantage of)

[wicked tulip]

Took two months off arenas, my first match in tonight I leave my squad alone as my game loops between booting me and logging in… Sour taste resumes 🤣. Fix this game loop or abandon it please scopely….

[trim crow]

My 1st match today..this blows. How?

[elfin spindle]

The lag, the constant crashes and the inability to communicate with afk teammates so much fun i thought this was supposed to be fixed

[outer yew]

Please explain to me how a ship that I’m sitting right next to and am spamming attack on some how flys away from me and I have higher impulse than it…..

Literally lost a match cause of lag cause my ship didn’t attack the player when it was supposed to and then it got in the circle and my ship is just sitting where it was supposed to hit him

[near pilot]

The arenas are just terrible, they are never balanced

Somehow I’m only getting in these matches with 53s who have 800m G5 uncommons and NSEAs

And on my team? A 53 who has G4 rares at most

[vagrant ferry]

nothing like getting stuck warping in then restart and come back to no ship bar

[plucky flint]

EPIC Fail,Knuf said

[glossy cobalt]

Yes very true but this guy has a pretty good rare ship power wise. I should have not been able to beat him like how i did. Okay i just checked he had borg pvp below deck. Probably thats why.

[random furnace]

Might.. wanna check the algorithm again

[plucky flint]

when the ships are 2 to3x your size, its a C>C> warrior. bets are they ouyt researched you too

[trim notch]

A gamble I am willing to take. I have killed ships almost 3x my size. Won't know until I try

Then I will have an idea on what they have researched and to see if I can hard counter.

I had 2 matches today were I could not counter due to primes the enemy had. I stopped playing and not worry about it.

#🌌-galaxy-chat message <- There will be situations where people will buy everything they can to win. It is part of the game by design.

[tepid osprey]

Arena is getting more and more useless and worthless with each mismatched imbecility

[trim crow]

The only reason I am still sticking with it is for the premium dust.

[cold fiber]

Extremely lopsided matchups this week

[trim crow]

thats an understatement lol. Last match was 59, 59, 60 vs 60, 62, 63.

[shut gull]

Your game is broken

[broken wagon]

I just waited 20 minutes in a public match to get 3 players. Nothing. Can we abolish this dumb part of the game now

[wicked tulip]

This was my screen at least 30 times tonight trying to do arenas… restart is only way to fix it between lockups. Back to ignoring them again.

[charred barn]

...this isn't how matchmaking should work...

[earnest bison]

I had high hopes for arena. I like the concept and my first round went well, but. Um. It's got some serious matchmaking issues. {The OPS 45 guy had a 100 million Korinar while the closest we came was a 40 million moonaveen} - edit, someone pointed out korinar wasn't correct for this match/screenshot lol. Oh, and after we got annihilated by this team once we got matched against them again immediately after 😭.

[restive brook]

I just give up on arena. Ops 65. I have not spent $$$ PvP, although I have worked to get PvP officers and FT and CT and artifacts. But since the speed cap, this is just a game of watching my ships get blown up by either huge PvP ships or even smaller ships with $$$ FT. It has become really boring. I can’t make my ships faster, so it it just loss after loss. I refuse to spend $$$ on PvP for this game. When there was no speed cap, there was a small amount of strategy.
I used to look forward to Monday nights. Since the impulse cap, I have lost at least 90% of battles. It just isn’t fun. I give up until there are changes to Arenas

[shut gull]

It’s meant to match ops not power. This is working as intended

[shut gull]

Ops 45 cannot have a korinar as it is a 46 rare ship.

Something else killed you. No need to lie about it.

[earnest bison]

Oh. Well, I suggest scopely match power instead maybe 🤣.

[shut gull]

You can’t. Lower ops levels can have higher power than higher ops but the higher ops have much better ship access.

[earnest bison]

🫡. You're right. 🤔. I don't really know a way to keep everything balanced 🤣. I guess I just have to get better ships 🤣. There's just a huge power gap between every single ops level

[earnest bison]

Oops wrong screenshot for that 😬. There was a pretty crazy Korinar though in a different match.

[shut gull]

I believe you. I see ops 56 Sanctus ships with 1.7b power. Not how I would spend $6000 but the people spending that money keep the game free for me.

[shut gull]

I know it’s tough but at least you’re using the same ship types

[cold fiber]

It’s entirely possible to do that f2p (even better if you get the BP every month). Just saying. It DOES take some time tho. Idk why someone would sit at an ops level that long personally. It only benefits them in arenas imo.

[earnest bison]

Yeah, maybe just tighter OPS level requirements. 40-43, 44-47, and so on. Instead of 40-48 because the 40's get crushed by 44's like me, and 44's get crushed by 46+'s 🙂

[plain aurora]

the fals is to see only ops lv... avops 45 can kill a 49/50 if they only raising ops and dont invest time in research and so on...
i like ops raiser there easy to kill... and they normally easy on each lv... cant see the advsntage...

and thats the great problem for matchmaking...

low power high ops and screeming for fair fights...
nobody force youreself to raise the ops so fast...

[cyan void]

its not that public arenas isn't working, works well for me when i play arenas, its just fewer and fewer players want to play arena every week so there are lesser teams available for us to choose in public

[cyan void]

that should be winnable, thats the most reasonable matchup in terms of ops you'll find in this channel

[limber cloak]

The only way I found I was on the winning team for g6 players is to out-whale the other team with a strong ops65 - 68 in public matches. No strategy, no enjoyable challenging gameplay, just ensure there is an over-powered player or 2 on your team and hope the matching doesn't go crazy and match you with a more powerful team... when arenas launched it was a way for our team mates to work together to test our power and tactics against other teams, now it's a meh and wildly unbalance mechanic which is extremely frustrating/annoying.

The "bouncing between ranks" feature is enough to put me off... I will claw my way back to the next rank (which I started at after the relaunch) and then only engage for credits for daily pulls

[cyan void]

from gold 2 onwards you start losing and winning the same amount of "rep" each game, if you lose more than you win then you basically drop to before your starting point. unlike the lower ranks where you can afford to lose 2 games before you lose the "rep" gained from a win. especially with this horrible matchmaking, do you really expect us to rank up so easily?

[plain aurora]

thats more a matchmaking fail... i mean nearly same lv against each other... what i see on this screen is g4 vs g5...

[hardy wedge]

I was frustrated with the arenas as well, before I changed my mindset to "participate to get a loot" - for Teran store.

Now, if the match seems doable within first 2 mins, I play the match.

If not, I chat with the other 2 players from my team and wait for next match.

Either way, I get the loot 🤗

[void trout]

Arenas are only held while I sleep or am at work so I do not interact with the entire feature.

[cyan void]

this would work if and only if they remove restrictions on the rewards and just make it terran rep based and not rank rep based. because you can be the lowest rank and get almost nothing since everything is locked at higher ranks. I only actually play just for BP discounts or mirror dust🤷🏻‍♀️

[lusty plank]

match making should be based on average team ops not the highest vs the lowest. People will still complain when 3 50s go against a team that is a 46, a 50 and a 54, but it will at least be more fair than 3 50s vs a 54, a 58 and a 62.

[hardy wedge]

There is a lot to get even without higher reputation. I'm at silver II and I can grab
MU officers, Georgious crown artifact, some Premium Mirror dust and several favours. It could be better with higher reputation, but at least it's something 😉

And who knows? Maybe I'll get better in time in PVP and grow my reputation higher? 🤗

[lusty plank]

There also needs to be another type of public matchmaking. There are now a lot of public teams that are looking for specific individuals to join - which makes them private non-alliance teams. Or there are alliance teams of two that are looking for a specific level player to join them (i.e. a 70 and a 62 are looking for a 66). When players are looking to join public matches, instead of letting them choose from a list of potential teams, the matchmaker should assign them to a team based on rank / ops. The creator of the team should have a choice as to each slot whether it is private or public to ensure they get to play with the people they choose.

I'm tired of constantly fighting to find a public team only to get kicked off a team because I'm not the person they want.

[cedar fiber]

I like the Arenas!

Just to switch up the narative a bit

I would suggest keeping a bit stricter on the lvl swings. ie...40-45, 45-50 and so on. Folks if your having issues, work on your strategy and for god sakes your PVP research!

Scopely, you need to get the bugs out though...severe lag, chat issues, and armadas stuck...

last night a teamate had his ship stuck in warp.

Also, for coordination, get on a voice chat somehow. it greatly increases strategy

just because everyone else is throwing these up

[kindred wagon]

I'll photo bomb too lol

Had a bad week at 58. Could only manage 19k credits

[sleek saffron]

Change the time window when it runs, it does not work for me and many others in my alliance; the window is too small and the pairings are still incredibly unbalanced

[sly violet]

<@&509690795536941056> we need that during arenas another tab in chat is available, ARENA CHAT, the chat between the 3 players that are in the same team. it is very important that the players talk to each other while fighting arenas. please work on that

[muted badger]

That would be great! Esp with public squads!

[ancient hound]

something close to balanced pvp would be great to before waisting more time on cosmetics for a dead feature

[wicked tulip]

That will NEVER happen in this game. The entire system is built around motivating spend to win PvP “battles”. 95% of pvp here is decided long before the fight started. Skill only being maybe 5% of the equation (knowing how to crew, which tech, which research, etc). Balanced or skill based PvP is not possible in stfc without a complete rewrite.

Arenas still annoy me for the same reasons as always: 1. Technical issues are still heavily present during them 2. The ranking system is far too punishing on losses. Losing some points is fine, but not at the levels they currently employ. And 3. The tiny Monday window makes no sense and limits me to an hour of even possible engagement.

[silk tapir]

I stopped doing arenas few weeks ago. its not motivating to play about 1-2 dozen matches and win 1 or 2 of them, sinxe the matchmaking is terrible

[thick crag]

I gave up on Arena few weeks after it started. Hard to get into matches, and the time to play is very limited. I sit waiting for a match 30 to 45 minutes and event ends.

[dense knoll]

I like the Concept of Arena, What i dislike is the System for Matchmaking. for my Opinion the lvl Range goes way to far, lvl 60 has f.e. has huge adwantages against any lvl below alone from the Researches.
Same is für lvl 60 Against 63 or 64, The advantage from the lvl are simply to high. and with Pay to win S31 it will be even worse the next times.
if you ask me nothing below 60 should be matched against 60 and the same goes for 70.

i also thought about why not using the Ship stages for arena Balance?

[vagrant ferry]

yea, kinda frustrating that a level 50 can start a group and then all of a sudden im facing level 54 ops cuz the range is plus or minus 4

[last rose]

Arena should be set to level on level forget the up down level variances. What ever your level is that's what you go against. That would be a true test of your game progress and challenge you to improve yourself.

Also need to make it 24 hr cycle that way everyone has a chance to participate set a number of arenas players can participate in

[strong mortar]

join a 46 instead... im ops 49 and play every week with my bro whos ops 45. find arenas easy tbh

[cyan void]

just play with ops lower than you, matchmaking becomes slightly better that way

[plain helm]

U won't get any matches lol

[cyan void]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-holiday-xmas-surprise-santa-gif-10784343086882821591

[cyan void]

not sure if it's just me but the 2nd rare hasn't spawned throughout the whole game

[worthy anchor]

Yeah. That’s some brutal matchmaking. The CMs still constantly bring this up as a pain point for arenas

[cyan void]

good to know they're trying their best.

[worthy anchor]

They really have been trying hard to elevate all of the player feedback to them.

I think part of the issue is that there are so many problems with Arenas (matchmaking, general tech issues, ship tracking issues, etc.) that it’s hard to prioritize and figure out which route is best to stabilize the feature. That’s just me speculating though.

[cyan void]

it'd be great if they can bring back the old impulse speeds, can work around beating whales if since most times they get over confident and bring 2 slow warships and no speed crews so winning by running around is winnable

[fickle niche]

logged in 45 minutes ago. havent had a decent game play. constant yellow lag icon. suddenly red and bamn log out. i'm on 1gbps fiber, it's not my internet. fix your servers for f sakes

the lag is horrible

[cyan void]

ok first to thing to fix, losing arena rank when i lose to people 6 ops levels higher than me, im so mad right now because i played till gold 1, buffs and whatever, i continue playing and i matched against 57s with 900mil ships and i dropped back down 🙄

also went against some 60 with a nice B ent, big nono

[fair creek]

oh yeah, stuck at groupsearching screen, restart all the time, old bugs will never die 😄

2nd time in 3 minutes, almost new record

3 times the charm, thanks but i m out.... arena is a buggy mess

all i was able to do is look into 1 teamcomposition and exit back with the arrow... didnt even attempt to join

@gritty cobalt i can recreate this stuck screen 100 times in a row... can your devs please take a look at this trainwreck code?

[ocean kayak]

Arenas is absolutely unplayable again

[errant forge]

53-61???? what a joke

[indigo atlas]

Just had my first arena matches in about 6 weeks, three matches played - 1st one we overpowered them, last 2 we were overpowered massivly. Looks like the matching still needs work. On the bright side I managed three matchines with no lag / crashes

[mental sparrow]

Arenas seriously need narrowing of the power banding. As a L48 my strongest ships are around 60-70m and yet I’m paired against a L51 who’s weakest ship is 370m power.

Never ever get wins to progress, it’s such a pay to win function

[winged sand]

my god whats with all these people forming arena teams and being afk...

cant even pm them to tell them to wake up and press ready

there should be a afk timer for leaders that form groups and dont press ready when everyone else has pressed ready, that disbands the group so they dont clog up the arena teams listing and waste everyone elses time.
6 groups sofar have an afk leader

[safe frost]

I mean we won, but it’s still funny we got people that far above our ops/power

Also didn’t have a single match where we were the big boys

[static magnet]

I played two arena matches today (and several others in the last weeks) and group setups looked all like this: one player in the opponents team had a higher strength than my total team together. I am not sure if you just don't know how your game works or if it this is just pure ignorance, but here is a little hint: If in the setup of the teams one player has a strength that is bigger than the total number of the complete other team the two teams never ever should be matched together. The strong player will basically intercept everyone from the other team and their teammates can do the scoring.
Arena is a good idea that has been implemented extremely poorly and leaves the players with no motivation whatsoever. I am done with that until there will be fundamental improvements.

[modern oasis]

The best and simplest solution for all problems in the arena: Deactivate this trash!

[chilly badger]

Since I stopped doing Arenas I'm relaxed. I didn't see an alliance squad for weeks, looks like they all ignore. Let them fix the problems and people may come back... or not🤷

[neon heart]

You've got no chance of scopely ever fixing the problems with arenas, more chance of winning the lottery without a ticket

I mean public squads are ok, until the leader goes afk and never readies up,
Matchmaking is still garbage I can fight G6 ucs for the most part, a 10b+ g6 rare I have no chance with using a g5 epic.
Point system is insane, given you need ranks to buy stuff, with the terrible matchmaking, you should not lose rank points when you get wrecked by a team you stand absolutely NO chance against
Timing of the event is rubbish, Monday when a lot of people do mining, limiting it to a small window, means most people stand no chance of doing it.
Impulse limit completely screws up any chance of people using tactics and actually beating an insane matchup

[strong mortar]

if someones kicked can there be a timeout before rejoining...

some people dont take the hint

my matchmaking fyi... no complaints tbh..

[neon heart]

That match looks decent, you are screwed at higher ops though. 62, 62, 64 vs 66, 65, 64. You stand no chance regardless

[strong mortar]

it works at the lower lvls tbh

[alpine orbit]

just stop playing Arenas. Scopely are happy as long as people participate. Show them how dead this content is by refusing to take part, they're not gonna notice til nobody bothers with it anymore

[neon heart]

People play them because it's the only reliable way to get things like premium dust and MU officer shards

[grizzled flume]

Can I recommend that you remove reputation loss on arena defeat. I have had loads of players today say they dont want to play, or just give up because they feel they just go backwards, or at best stand still. You still need to win to move forward, but the rep loss for defeat is putting lots of players off playing, at least in my alliance.

[strong mortar]

dropped the ball here and let them get a point

[static magnet]

I see why you don't have complaints with the matchups...

[strong mortar]

lets see 😉

[neon heart]

If I had matchups like that I'd be laughing

[strong mortar]

but with this, ill just buff ships and mantis to even it up

[neon heart]

#💣-arena-feedback message
Get a matchup like that, you wont be laughing

[dense knoll]

im Glad that this time only one 66 was in the enemy group

that this is not nearly even alone shows the power lvl 🙂

[strong mortar]

aye thats a joke

adjust/separate ratings in arenas for each grade of ships, leave the g6 arenas alone 😉

would solve most complaints...

[dense knoll]

im mean ok having Arena Rating is one thing, but Lock Progress behind a Simply unfair MM system is another thing, how long does a fresh 60 need to wait till he can play arena an win? 4 Months +? just to get matched against 64 to loose again?

[neon heart]

Most low 60s wont win a match at all as most of the time they get matched with 66+ ops so 1/2 ship grades difference which is insane. Max power of a cube at 62 ops is around 2b, 63 ops can get to 8b

[knotty minnow]

the whole thing is just ridiculous

if i worked like these guys i would never get a job again

[limber cloak]

Glad you posted that Allan👍

[lilac goblet]

It absolutely is 😹 I’m trying to be positive about them… but it’s been some time now and it’s getting worse

[limber cloak]

it is definitely getting worse. 1 balance matched tonight, rest pitched against 65-70 (I'm ops 63)

[vivid sedge]

How do you manage to make Arena worse every single week?

Match making gets worse and worse.

Lag is terrible. Half the time ships aren't actually there they appear to be. You try and join an armada and ships just randomly stop, or inexplicably "can't get there" when there is plenty of time left on the timer.

Absolutely terrible and no sign of it getting better.

As long as people keep spending, who cares though, right?

[lilac goblet]

I actually can’t wait for Scopely to break arena games completely again, so we are back to receiving the weekly arena emblems and stop wasting time participating lol

[knotty minnow]

well maybe its time to ignore that arena thing. its just a waste of time and wont get better. im just waiting for the next new stuff that will not work. thats the only thing you can count on...thats for sure

[limber cloak]

the stressed and frustrated angst feeling after playing arenas is not good... certainly not fun. Loved this feature when it first released, now only play it for the credits... ranking is ridiculous, still no progression since relaunch

[lilac goblet]

Yeah I don’t like that either. Was the last time I played arena today. I’m choosing my quality time over their quantity BS 😹

[kindred wagon]

Gameplay was terrible today. Most glitches in all the weeks I've played. But plenty of fish in the pond today. Went 31 :0 😜

[dense knoll]

after Arena came into the game i was like woa rly cool a pvp feature finaly, now its more like, i have to get 2100 Coins so i can at least pull 1 time evey day till next week

[meager nimbus]

I don't do arenas, most of them are just there to show how much money they put into it and sometimes have ships that are not possible in the game without buying thousands in packages

[knotty minnow]

they are ruining the game themselves and probably don't even realize it

[dense knoll]

If you want to make it more even for other players there is a way, 100 of games show how its done. The truth is they simply dont want, couse if they do Big Spenders are not Unique anymore and thats where we come to the Problem

[willow mantle]

The biggest fix to arenas is remove the rank loss. Spending or not isn’t important as this… low spenders and f2p dominate the arena ranks on my server. Rank is the issue and it being tied to the faction store.

[sleek flax]

Arena brings me just a little bit closer to deleting my (Ops66) account every week. Can't describe how much I hate this mode.
There's just so much wrong with it.
Pretty much every match for me is just wait it out 10 minutes for it to end, collect 400, rinse and repeat.
With such a short time window to get done enough matches to secure credits for pulls for the week, makes Monday nights a total chore....or, miss out on the only sourcing for premium mirror dust.
Therefore Monday nights are just a total pain in the ....
The fact you can't do anything while you're sitting there waiting to lose means it's so boring.
Whatever the design of this awful mode was supposed to be, I'm pretty sure it wasn't meant to be this boring, was it?
At least I managed to spend the 5 minutes waiting to lose 1 match writing this.

[safe frost]

60/60/59 squad (former mini whale/f2p+5th FC slot/current mini whale)

Did around 15 matches today, lost one because they had a strong 64 with two others that knew what they were doing. Every game we had had at least one, if not two g6 players in them. Some were strong, some not so much, yet we did quite well compared to the last weeks. 75% of our wins aren’t pure power, but strategy. Sadly, an hour after reset lag got so bad it was pure luck we won.
To be honest, even tho we were outmatched almost all the time in terms of ops, it was fun until the lags started.

(Granted, this was a pretty lucky day for us, but almost all of our wins could have been losses if they played better)

[grim oracle]

This is a joke.

[knotty minnow]

That is exactly the point. It's supposed to be a challenge. The matches where you simply outplay your opponent even though he was stronger. unfortunately, you only have these matches in one out of 20 games. the rest you can wait until the misery is over because you have no chance anyway. as ops 62 you don't need to try to outplay a ops 66 or 70. even 63 is the limit when a 7 billion cube comes around the corner

[sour shadow]

Explain this, scopely.

[neon heart]

Scopely match making at it's finish. Not working like most other things

[knotty minnow]

they don't really have it with counting. counting from 1 to 4 is already higher mathematics😅

[hollow steeple]

Please delete this trash mode and never humiliate yourself with such rubbish again. Respectfully. The game is not setup for a fun cage match when there is no tactic to beat biggest ship camps the mid to win the match. It's a fail, there is no fixing it. You'll never have enough of the highest tiers to fill the ranks which means a never ending MM where one side gets stuck against the higher guy that can't find a fight equal their own.

[surreal wave]

After missing a few weeks due to work, I almost forgot how much I hated arena matchmaking

Then scopely quickly gave me a reminder 🤬

[tiny dagger]

I do feel slightly bad for the other team here 😅

[raven burrow]

Scopely created the sand only so that the whales would have bait to satisfy their ego. If we free to play stopped playing the sand, you would see how in the long run the whales would start to complain and scopely would have to make real improvements

[hardy wedge]

Public arena matching seems much better, if I join +4 or -4 ops player team.

The only 2 "issues" I had today were:

• Fighting 3 players from the same alliance in Public arena matches (happened several times and it seems they were able to coordinate much better)
• frozen Borg cube on my screen, when actually it was somewhere else and I couldn't run away from it

Could you look on it please?

[small steeple]

It would appear all I miss on Arena Mondays is game crashes and blank systems... I guess my Terran faction will forever be stuck where it is.

[calm spoke]

Hosts that never ready up need to be banned from hosting. It's supper annoying getting into multiple public squads and it's always the host we are waiting on for over five minutes or more or until we all leave and pick another but encounter the same issue there. Maybe allowing us to message them to get their act together would help

[shy linden]

Arenas need a concede button, there are unwinnable matches and having to wait 10 minutes for people with good pvp ships/crews but no understanding of arena scoring mechanics to win is excruciating.

[red cradle]

That’s a big issue that needs to be fixed.

[snow narwhal]

Groups really need to be delisted after a certain amount of inactivity from the leader. I see half a dozen groups a week where the leader won't ready up and is clearly afk, so people keep joining and leaving, wasting their time

[raven grail]

Just had a match where one of my team mates was in a mada 10 sec countdown and was attacked. Yet i cannot attack opposong team in the same situation. Also, way too many players are zooming across the screen with reg pvp crews and catching speed crews

[obtuse blaze]

Losing is how you get points still because lack of matchmaking balance. smh

[cinder notch]

still ungood 300 vs 600

[carmine rapids]

Can I start crashing out about these arenas. I think I’d rather start shoving a fork in a wall outlet than do this crap. I can’t leave copper because I keep getting curb stomped by a bunch of basement dwellers with momma’s credit card. I love going up against a 64 as a 54. What am I going to do, clip his toenails off?

For the love of god please either fix these or drop the stupid ranking requirement for the BP efficiencies.

[zenith geode]

How the heck do you make arenas worse and worse and worse. My ship sat on the edge of the map visually but apparently was flying around the system. Opponents ships didn't move and then jumped to attacking me. Virtually no armada indicators cleared after going to 0. Target lines from ship to where it's heading never disappeared. Clicking to select an opponent ship took 10+ seconds to load the attack button multiple times.

I've been at 65,000 since like week 3 because I enjoyed these. Not sure I'll play another one at this point. It's not worth the hassle.

[shy linden]

I submit this scoreboard into evidence, for why average ops matchmaking is terrible, a player with g4 epics shouldn't ever be matched against players without, but it was a perfectly fine matchup according to scopely

[torpid gust]

In case Scopely was wondering why Arenas is dead. That ops 46 is the 3rd highest power ops 46 in the entire game. And I'm just mid silver with a bunch of random noobs. Why the everloving heck would you match us against god himself?

[torpid gust]

I'm shocked you got to 65k without seeing that one before. That's an ancient bug they can't fix because they are too busy adding new garbage.

I have an arena rating of 3k. Please give me ONE SINGLE GAME not against people who have camped at 46 for a year and have 65k arena score!

Why do I even bother getting stronger when no matter how strong I get you just have me people who play this game like a career?

[digital geyser]

If you’re going to keep releasing $100 pay to win tech like the quantum slipstream at least have a plan to release them free. Breaks arenas’ fun.

[lilac lichen]

Hey, ran smooth tonight. Had some good runs. Match making still a bit wack. Generally ok. How do golds and silver match against platinum of same level? ( head scratcher). Had a few runs ( different groups ) where it was basically 2v3. Leader sat out 😐. Sux to lose rep on those. I’ll never reach gold 1. Any thoughts to adding pvp FT drip to the store? Still impossible to overcome. Any thoughts about not having all favors tied to rep? How are people supposed to climb the ladder in pubs?

[carmine rapids]

I’m Bronze 3. Can’t even get wins at this point. Get placed against Platinum every time

[earnest bison]

I mean.... c'mon 😭

[spice fjord]

While I admit that I got fairly luck in this, my first week in months where I got to do more than three matches, this is still week like, 6 in a row of pushing for a team quit option. Stop forcing me to waste 10-13 minutes at a clip in matches I know I cant win, be it against way higher ops/power, p2w tech, p2w primes, or whatever.

And you make me fight the same p2w team twice in a row lmfao

[dapper snow]

There leader is the same lv as you so they can get players to join that is 4 lv higher. You complain about 4g epic. Have a look how g5 players go against g6 players. 1 g 6 player ship might be stronger then all off the g5 players ships put together and sometimes the g6 players just sits on the side waiting for ships coming in to take out wasting time so sometimes the times runs out because they didn't score enough. Loads of people have ask for them that there can be a button or something to give up that don't have to wait

[earnest bison]

Yeah. They need a better matchmaking system 😭

[zenith geode]

True that I've seen these all before. But they seemed to go away and then came back with a vengeance. It's just pointless.

[shy linden]

g5's with epics have a fighting chance against g6 uncommons, that isn't true for any other shipyard gap as far as I know. That being said, I would agree with not matching across grades, so I don't know why you brought it up

[obtuse blaze]

G4 epic is able to defeat G5 uncommon as well.

Since this mode is a 3v3 matchmaking, even 1 player out of the balance is able to change the outcome single handedly. So the matchmaking balance needs lots of works

[earnest bison]

Yeah. But G3 epics can't beat g4 uncommons once they reach a certain point. There were 50mil power USS Kelvins that annihilated all the Ents

[shy linden]

this is why I've always thought max power/ops level would be a better metric

[obtuse blaze]

You are not wrong. But in some certain scenarios you can beat them😁

[obtuse blaze]

What you talking about bro? They don't even have any metrics😂

[earnest bison]

100%. But once they slap the Interceptor squad on there, there's no chance 😭

[cedar fiber]

More arena BS, when we started ours was limited to 40-45 to be a team

[kindred wagon]

That match up is fair based on the system. Should have found a 50 to carry you. Your player base is so much wider too compared to 60+ . I can sympathise with them but not you unfortunately

I would add arenas is not fun. If you top guy can crush the other team there is no match and many are doing this. If you chose to play in a tighter range, you are just handicapping yourself

[toxic pine]

Suggestion to scopley. Make arena 1v1 OPS based, so 56vs56 46vs46, make it fair because if you can not beat your own ops then you are obviousl doing something wrong and need to buy more packs

[silver halo]

It should be ship power based. Not ops.. Only good matches i "won" was thanks to a spender at ops 53 with maxed Tribune, Tantalus field and Q cannon taking out ops 58 and 57.. Still same issues as always. Stupid match making. Like 55,56,57 against 60,61,59. Ship stuck in combat. Enemy ships attacking from half the system distance. Untrackable ships. Armadas not respawning. Ships rubber banding. Squad leaders never pushing the ready button.. We need to go back to 5 vs 5 to counter the fact that a match is almost always won by the single guy with the strongest ships.

[lilac goblet]

This! Why can’t arena be the good ol’ plain? Just ships, crewing and good research! No fancy forbidden or chaos tech… no “N$$-1000 USS Mommas-Credit Card”… no special buildings boost.

Ah wait… but then how’d the big spenders show off and get their ego satisfied? So that’s what arena is about…

[shut gull]

Today was the best arena match making that has ever been implemented.

I went 37-4 today over way too many hours of arenas (see credit amounts and rating). Trying to find groups where people click ready or stay when they jump in and not immediately jump out was the worst part of the experience.

As the host I got to choose whether I wanted to be the lowest ops. Or the middle ops. As you can see I did both.

More than half of my matches required strategy, rather than relying on a wallet, as I was out of stings and Cerritos juice before I cooked dinner.

My teammates were receptive, positive, eager, and friendly. As the starter to took it upon myself to communicate an outline of attack and defensive maneuvering.

I had a dozen different teammates and while we did have losses. They were very few and often it wasn’t due to matching it was due to running out of consumables…stings, buffs, rez chips, etc. I did feel bad asking new players to use their specialty ships to cover mine being empty on juice. But to be part of a team everyone needs to come together.

I spoke with a fellow from Scotland and a mother in California.

Let’s hope this matching system stays the same.

Attached are some of the arena results I remembered to screenshot as the logging out of arena screen was buggy and laggy in my iPhone all day.

And yes in case you spotted that one G6 player who snuck through. We sent messages back and forth whinning about this match. But we went in and went hard. And one player went in the system on a 5 second delay…why? He saw the ships that entered the system and countered accordingly. He had an Enterprise D, maxed like most of them, that smoked a 6Billlion power Akira and his max Rotarran absolutely wrecked an 8Billikn power cube.

By the time the other team knew what happened I was already started my second uncommon armada with one ship and heading to the middle with the second to start the rare.

[digital geyser]

At least you gave people a chance. There were a couple of 2 platinum groups only accepting other platinums.

[shy linden]

my whole point is that "fair based on the system" isn't because the system is broken

[golden mortar]

There were some tech issues yesterday for me during areans. My main ship got stuck in warp in three different matches. Lag was not the worste I have seen though. My group went 9-7 yesterday. We ran into a few really good teams. The more you play arenas the better you get at gauging the opponet before the match starts. You can kinda tell from the jump who is going to be tough and who is just going to send their biggest ship to hit your biggest ship. And if their ship loses then the sit the rest of the match out.

[steel dirge]

Looks like you just cherry picked higher ops players to carry you. Cute.

[golden mortar]

Get beat up in arenas a lot, do ya?

[grizzled flume]

He does have a point - all the players on your teams appear to have solid plat rank, or at least high gold. No issues you doing that as you have the right to pick who you select in your team. Its a smart play, pick people with high rank as they obviously experienced and will be OP for your ops range.

[steel dirge]

No

[teal grail]

No need to just pick arena ranking, I do the same BUT on ops levels.

I am an op46 with T10 Pilum so I play the « strong player » and either go with only ops42-43 (even bronze, I don’t care I carry them)

Or i get a 42-43 + a strong ops50 with at least 170million power. If in the match I realize my ops50 hasn’t got at least a T10 g5 epic with PvP I kick him.

I usually have no problem winning in arena.

[silver mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/crypto-buy-bullish-pamp-sell-gif-16502204

[cyan void]

if your rare is t9 with good crew and their epic is low tier, you actually can kill it with your rare if you pair your ships with buffs, sometimes not needed tho. now take this but a g5 uncommon vs a maxed ent D, now that is something i complain every arena.

was using my t12 valdore to kill tribunes yesterday in arena with freeman, 100mil vs 200mil.

[thorn thicket]

I do similar. Though I don't start my own. I want to get in, get 12 wins and be done. Don't want to waste time so vetting teammates is important.

[grizzled flume]

Any G6 uncommon doesn’t kill a maxed G5 Epic, and 100% doesn’t kill a max Rotty. The only G6 ships of use are from G6 Rare, tier 9 upwards. At least in pvp against anyone with anything like half decent research.

[shy linden]

seeing as I am only 43, and that g4 had a 250 million heghta, I can understand your g5 situation a little bit

[teal grail]

As an ops43 in arena it’s not your role to be the strong player and kill ops50. I suppose your team had a 48-50 ?
You are supposed to put speed crew and avoid them while being protected by your strong teammates.

You can only be the strong one with 2 other ops40-41.

[cyan void]

you role changes depending on what ops you're against. if you're the lowest in your team, you sneak armadas in while supporting your biggest ship. stinging/buffing etc. if you become the biggest your role it to carry. e.g when I play with my alliance mates I'm usually the strongest so I bring my strongest ships to carry but when I play with 57+ people I act as support. cherry buffing our strongest + stinging their strongest

[shy linden]

it was a 49 max vs a 50, there was no one on my team that could take him, but it was an even match according to scopely's balancing metric.

[shy linden]

this is the arena-feedback channel where I gave my feedback on the stupid average ops matching criteria, not the get-an-incomplete-understanding-of-the-situation-and-offer-useless-criticism channel, that's over in galaxy-chat

[plain aurora]

not for all but for some player this is a i-cant-pvp-but-i-cry-when-i-loose-channel... 40% is missmatch but all other dhould rethink teambuilding...

[shy minnow]

funny name

[teal grail]

Then chose an other team, like 43-46-50. The rules are the rules, you have to use them. A 49 is a liability, it drives your team average up without bringing much advantage.

But after giving your feedback to scopley, you can either listen to other players tips or poop all over it… your choice. 🖖🏼

[shy linden]

not everyone has the luxury of picking the perfect team and public squads are all to often whatever you can get

the fact that average ops level is so easy to game is another point against it

telling me that I should be gaming the system harder isn't useful feedback

[teal grail]

I disagree, you create you own squad and just kick everyone else but ops 40-41 and you will see a big difference ( if you have at least a T7-8 Valdore/ktinga/kelvin with PvP crew)

[wicked tulip]

Lol all the critique of people saying others dont know how to pvp... in a game that is 5% skill based pvp and 95% spend/power based pvp... The skills in arena are gaming the match system (ops spread, lower power before matchmaking, cheese with loot crews, leaving mada circle after joining - allowing join again at last second, etc).

They are helpful strats of course, but be real - the outcome of most matches is determined at match start. I had a lot of fun in the FEW that were well matched last time, but the majority of matches were either we won with no chance for the other team, or got swamped with no chance. Sadly my RNG matched us with the team we couldnt beat every time I was one win away from Gold 1, lol.

Fixing arenas is so simple - cut the rank deduction for a loss in half. Makes it so people can still slowly rank up even when not winning every match. And if a team loses constantly they would still rank down. Covers the need for the rank system without being heavy-handed. The way they are currently designed caters only to those that love stfc "pvp" - if they want a larger audience (which in turn helps matchmaking across the board) they have to make some small tweaks to encourage the larger player base to keep at arenas. @muted badger

[cyan void]

then just get a better ops 49 to carry you

[cyan void]

I disagree I'd say it's more or less 5% skill, 20% luck and like 75% is spending. I've killed so many people with primes and tantalus even though I don't have one myself. also depends who hit who first which is where luck comes in

[uneven wing]

15% is matchmaking. sometimes there's almost nothing you could do at your ops. easily at least 50% is keeping up with ships, research, officers, and etc. there's some wiggle room where you'd win if you're not getting outspent, but from my experience I'd be surprised if that's more than 25% of matches for people under like ops 65 or so

[silver mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/buy-more-packs-kermit-evil-kermit-gif-15508516

[ripe ingot]

Hard start to the day

[odd forge]

Seriously…it’s not difficult

I’d rather wait a few minutes and have a decent fight

[odd forge]

Like how about your transparent with us and tell us what the algorithm uses to find these matches

[cyan void]

actually its the opposite, the longer you wait the worse the match ups. i for one last week kept making my squad leader keeps restarting matchmaking every 10-15 seconds. we never got a bad matchup. on other squads that i was on that did this we only faced 1 bad match out of 15 matches. i didnt play arena this week though, got enough medals for 2 more weeks 🤣

[sinful echo]

If you're going to form a squad, press the "ready" button 😠

[odd forge]

That’s what I mean, atleast tell us upfront if we’re going to get screwed over so we know to lube up instead of being done raw

[cyan void]

yea i agree. i rather a exit button so i lose points but can move on to next match

i found out in arenas if you get instant matched or long wait u get bad pairing but somewhere in between you get balanced match

[candid fiber]

Terrible day matchmaking so far today, I was almost at gold 1, back to gold 3 now. Killed by lower ops players with rottys and ist which imo is completely bugged. Massive negative points at this level so no chance to progress, there is absolutely no thought in this for an average player

[celest spruce]

Seems arenas again grind the whole game to a halt. Like every monday…

[knotty minnow]

first and last attempt for today. it just doesn't work anymore. as incompetent as the bunch from scopley is, you can only fall off your chair laughing. or it could be that my credit card isn't big enough for the guys

allegedly there was intensive testing. probably by 6 players who were paid by scopley. but never by normal players. they would have said directly that nothing worked at all

[knotty minnow]

i'm starting to get the feeling that this is the way it's supposed to be. frustrate the players until they buy

[frail robin]

wow what a good matchmaking!

or how to loose points easily

[safe frost]

Ship stuck in warp, restart, still stuck in warp👍

[knotty minnow]

you can write what you want here anyway. they just don't care. as long as the ops 70 don't complain, nothing will happen anyway.

[tribal veldt]

Great matching

[rare oyster]

All ships warping (shouldnt be possible) and timers frozen, no ship has appearing....

[frail robin]

is it normal to face a level 49 when you're in the lower bracket?

[lethal tusk]

WORK ON THAT BLOODY MATCHMAKING ITS REDICOLOUS! 💩 🙄 🤬

[cyan bear]

after getting killed in arena fails to let me select the system to go back in... have to restart the game, which when in the middle of an arena is pretty bad.

[tribal veldt]

And we could compete how???

[modest estuary]

We 60, 60, 62 and 5x in a row vs ops 66 ridiculous 💩 🤮

If $copely‘s intent is to ruin the game and remove all fun, they‘re doing a good job with Arena mismatches and the latest SLB overdose

[short basin]

Matchmaking awful as always. Might as well remove this channel, you clearly don’t take note of any feedback.

[grizzled arrow]

I can second this since I was there

[fierce cosmos]

@muted badger seriously, why is arena still a thing? Just find another way to make the Terran factionstore work. This has to be the most universally hated part of this game

The only way to get them to pay attention is to just stop taking part in this farce of an event. Eventually their metrics will show that only a handful of people play arena, and hardly any money is being spent on it. And then it will become a relic like the war room and mantis

[rocky crypt]

Scopely match-making at its finest. 🤦‍♂️

[lethal tusk]

frustration doesent make people pay! @muted badger more likely quit! ...

[surreal topaz]

You are doing it again... matching us against players more than twice our power and 5 ops lvls higher than our best isn't even remotely fun.... for anyone.

[chrome turret]

1st game, stomped the other team. next game, hadda get out the lube and pray it ends quickly. theres zero sense to the matchmaking

[plain aurora]

few times matchmaking ok few timed was a WTF Scoplay

scoplay need to work on hid matchmaking... come on ops 61 and 60 shouldnt possible when max 55 is in... averadge lv 54 opener 53...

[tame stump]

how is this a correct matchmaking?

[broken wagon]

End arenas please. They are zero fun

[solemn kelp]

its not but you will get matches like that anyways.

[tame stump]

I have no problem to loose a battle but tell me in advance and I will use my time in a better way

[plain aurora]

somzimes you need taktiks sometimes nothing helps there are anytime easy and hard matches to find... if you win a hard match you will feed your soul a long time with that success... vetran storys like

[little berry]

Arena pairings appear to be broken. How this happened no logic.

[broken wagon]

Right. Great matching

Whats the point of this

[tame stump]

I suppose if there are not enough squads, scopely does not care about matchmaking, 50% of participanct will be happy

[wispy swallow]

Right ops70 vs ops70 not sure what went wrong there.

[broken wagon]

Three ops 70 vs one ops 70. You dont see a problem?

[tame stump]

look like € vs $ 😉

[obtuse blaze]

🫡

[fallow cedar]

Pick better team mates?

[broken wagon]

Where do I go to pick?

[fallow cedar]

This discord seems like a start. Solicit for teams

Or your own server 🤷‍♂️

I like pairing up with other server players. It's fun

[broken wagon]

How about we just get rid of the arena system all together

[wispy swallow]

I mean....you could just not play it if you don't like it.

[pearl night]

Hey Scopely, using OPS as a basis for Arena matchups is WORTHLESS

[wintry sparrow]

dripping sarcasm Matching is still super awesome and I love when my speed capped ship gets caught by an enemy.

[pearl night]

Ultimately, Arenas will continue to be garbage that falls further into disuse unless and until individualized MMR is applied to players.

OPS level does not account for ship development, primes purchased, FT and CT. Right now nearly every match is entirely lopsided depending on who has the player that's spent $20,000 on PVP.

[fierce field]

Sigh - another great match Scopely

[pearl night]

Every match is simply: 1) Enter match, 2) See which side has the guy with all the PVP stuff bought, 3) wait until the match ends.

An OPS 60/61/62 who has fully maxed 60 epics, fully maxed FTs, fully maxed CTs, and all primes purchased should be going against 70s. Not 60s.

[flat rain]

I. Am. Sick. Of. The Imbalance. The Q Canon Creates in PVP Arena.

Toss crewing well out the window, just have that.

[uneven wing]

Q cannon is not the CT to care about lol

[pearl night]

QC isn't the top meta, but it's still creating significant imbalance over those who don't even have that much. The fact is that FT and CT and artifacts and primes and ship tiering and all of that create MASSIVE differences in the playability of a match.

If one player massively outmatches everyone else - and that's the rule, not the exception - then OPS levels don't matter and the match is over before it began.

[flat rain]

Which CT is worse?

[uneven wing]

the most egregiously stated CT in the game right now is trilithium

[flat rain]

PVP Arena matches need to take into account FT/CT use into however it does its matchmaking.

Because this visual kind of stuff ontop of that, makes this more than frustrating.

[hazy basin]

Instead of fixing arena, can we just get a second path to get things from the terran store? Asking a 70x server to compete vs the 00x servers when at the same ops they're 2x our power is just... bad. I have ops 50-60 people who just won't do arena, they won't devote 3hrs to losing to get minimum or average pulls

[pulsar socket]

Must be the crosshairs. Scopely just wanted to give you the fight you want b

[hazy basin]

It's doing what it's designed to, rewarding pay to play, but you're just burning out the light spenders and ftp at a rate you can't sustain

[flat rain]

The amount of time it'll take to even get Mirror Uhura tiered is also ridiculous. There's already this new game design mechanic meant to Shred her Apex before its even to the point of effective.

[pearl night]

I skipped doing arenas the last two times because it's been a pointless waste of time

I gave it another shot today, 0-9 and I have decent ships and research for my level, but I don't have $20,000 worth of PVP toys and primes.

So I guess I'm skipping arenas for the foreseeable future.

[hazy basin]

The logic I'll get mad enough to spend the insane # I'd need to to just compete is flawed. you're just rewarding older servers who did enough tournaments and incursions to have unlocked goodies

[pearl night]

Individual MMR + ELO, or something that's just as good. What you have right now is insanely broken. It is 100% a complete waste of time for most players.

[flat rain]

And also how this glitch happens constantly.

[agile dirge]

I was wondering if the starter of a squad is 46, how is it possible for the oppenents to have ops 52 and 53?

[hazy basin]

you can pull a 50 who can have a 54

[uneven wing]

because matchmaking isn't based on the +/-4 that forming groups is

[agile dirge]

There are a lot of reasons the match macking doesnt make the most ideal matches, but putting a 46 against a 53 kinda shows that the current matchmaking is still based on luck and if you get the higher player on your team. Still not fun when you do everything you can, and are matched up with an impossible situation

[hazy basin]

Can we kick matchmakers who idle without clicking ready for say, 5-10m? I mean, that's workable.

[hazy basin]

Agreed, but we're food for the whales, team Krill all the way baby

[agile dirge]

I am on purpose trying not to go to ops 51, so I can avoid whales way out of my league

When I face an opponent with a 250k powered NSEA, that I can live with. Facing anyone ops 53 is a wash without any chance of hope, and a waist of time

I just don't undertand why they dont make it ops locked like most all other content.

[agile dirge]

If they do not click ready with in 10mins, or some other agreed upon time, their squad should auto disband

[brisk rapids]

This is why arenas need a stunking MMR rating on top of the ops restrictions. At the absolute bare minimum. Areans will never be anything worth my time without it.

[wicked tulip]

Scopely claims the ranking mechanic is necessary for matchmaking and then matches people like above 🤣

[agile dirge]

The ops 50 is clearly a whale, but the ops 53 is clearly a rush player.

[brisk rapids]

The ops 50 is a whale, he had both tant feild and Q cannon. And I'm not a rush player, I just stopped spending on the game when MU came out. I have the combat tree maxed expect for the intelligence tree, and my Corvus is T7. The game is just trash at any sort of pvp balance.

[agile dirge]

I am not a whale, and I have the q cannon. but the ops 53 has access to ships the ops 50 player does not have access too

[brisk rapids]

Yes, but even with the better ship, it doesn't matter.

[spice fjord]

Should have expected the game to remain unplayable. First arena and every other ship is getting stuck warping in. Can't wait to see next months new four loops and 19 pay to win items though!

[agile dirge]

I agree, but opportunity vs spending is something we should be able to influence. FTP does not spend, But if the content is worth it, not rushing to the next ops can be done also.

[brisk rapids]

I haven't been rushing though. That's the problem. No matter how much I camp, Scopely completely broke the pvp game and refused for some reason to implement an MMR system so that even when I go up against a player with Maxed arena ranking, I don't lose what little rank I've been able to scrounge.

Pvp will never be balanced in this game because of the ops level difference, but an MMR system can at least help offset the arena losses.

[digital geyser]

This sort of matchup is just dumb

[spice fjord]

Week seventy billion of requesting a vote to give up option. Sick of being forced to waste my time in impossible matches.

Nothing like a 56 and 2 57s against a 621m powered 60 to scream "why are you even here"

[agile dirge]

I guess, the question is how would a MMR system work, when your goal is Gold or higher. Should you only face people in a bracket based on arena rating. That would lead to no chance to get to Gold. you would alway have to have some Ops level influence

[brisk rapids]

A simple reduction of points loss and gained based on the difference of arena rankings

[little berry]

Maybe have matchup where combined ops power can’t exceed 25 percent of opponents

[spice fjord]

Hahahaha I peeked he brought a 3.2b Rot what am I supposed to do in this match

[agile dirge]

This is a conundrum

I honetly dont understand why they dont make a 1v1 arena

[brisk rapids]

No it's not. They can use the same efficiency formula that they use elsewhere.

For wins [1000/(1 + (opponent rank/your rank))]
For losses just sub out the 1k for negative 400

I think that's the right formula anyways...

Maybe it's [1000 * (opponent rank/ your rank)]

Either way, it's a simple fix

[agile dirge]

I'm winning a match, but it is a blow out. not really playing for the challenge, playing for the rewards

[broken wagon]

I just set my phone down and do something else

[spice fjord]

Ok reg mod I sorta got the time my msg was blocked for using all caps. What's the problem this time?

[spice fjord]

Which Im doing, sure, but most weeks I can maybe run three or four matches tops cause, life. I don't WANT to sit around for 40 minutes NOT playing during the limited time I have during the limited timed event.

[agile dirge]

I lovethe idea of a conceed button. or maybe a 500 or 750 lead rule

[broken wagon]

No disagreement. This arena system needs to go. Its awful.

[spice fjord]

Wait wait wait. Isn't this thing supposed to be +/- 4 ops levels?

[agile dirge]

Thats what I was getting at earlier, but its +4/-4 to the starters

[spice fjord]

Yes which this clearly isn't.

Ours is a 53 theirs is 58

[broken wagon]

In other news i am in a group now thats been matching for 7 minutes

[spice fjord]

Well thanks Scopely. One of the few times I can arena for a few hours and I'm just, not going to. Nothing but horrible matchups and bugs galore.

[broken wagon]

And no way to leave the group at this stage.

[agile dirge]

winning 854 to 73, not really that fun

One step forward and two steps back

always feel like I got a chance

[velvet urchin]

I am finding that many players do not know to click the ready button after you join a public match. Maybe put some reminder for them to do so.!

[agile dirge]

you booting them could be a clue 😂

[velvet urchin]

Not my team, no way to boot them and if they did join a team I created, they just will join another one and not click ready

[flat rain]

And this bug, super fun

[agile dirge]

and here it is, why is the 53 in their group?

[quiet fox]

My thoughts exactly. Like nobody on my team has the ability to build a sanctus, yet their team had a big one. Kind of sucks.

[spring zinc]

Scopley wants you to spend money to compete. If people didn't participate in arenas, they would fix it

[lusty plank]

It is… all opponents are within +/- 4 of you and your 56 teammate and the average ops levels of both teams are within 2. Can’t get more fair than that.

[quiet fox]

But it's not based on average, or it's not advertised that way.

[lusty plank]

Because they have a 49

[quiet fox]

a 49 in my alliance just made a squad .... only 45-53 are allowed

[spice fjord]

First off you literally can, because a 60 with epics trounces us without p2w tech and such.

Second, arena has been stated to be the leaders of both sides are ALSO within 4 of each other, which this is not. If there's been a change, fine, but I do not recall hearing about it.

[lusty plank]

49 as starter makes the 45-53 range

[quiet fox]

so naturally a 51 starter should have up to 55

unless I'm just totally failing at math today lol

yet I joined a squad started by a 51 and was matched against a 56

(where a 56 wouldn't have even been able to join)

[spice fjord]

The way arena is built, your 51 starter means the opposition starter can be up to and including a 55 which means their team can include up to a 59.

This is the Crux of my question because the starter on my team versus the start of the opposing team that I posted were five levels apart.

[quiet fox]

I think I get what you're saying. Still kind of sucks, but I get the logic behind that.

[spice fjord]

It used to be 7 levels

[quiet fox]

Still just a 100% p2w system

[spice fjord]

Well yes of course lol

[quiet fox]

or just camp for the next 10 years and hope to get strong enough

[lusty plank]

You can win with good strategy… just need at least one person capable of going toe to toe with the other team’s best

[spice fjord]

Nah ftp can never beat spenders

[whole oasis]

how is this balanced?

[quiet fox]

yep ... strategy only gets you so far

when you have a 300M G5 uncommmon versus a 1B G5 rare, there's no strategy that's going to save you

[spice fjord]

And unfortunately the "toe to toe" thing only works, generally once. Soon as one whales ship is popped the rest of the team is boned

[lusty plank]

It can be tough, but if the 1b has bad crews you have a chance… or you just try to evade and make them waste time chasing you

[spice fjord]

In my last of 4 matches in a row vs whales touching g6, a 55 on my team told me off for not playing as if my playing would have changed anything.

[whole oasis]

its not even worth fighting against someone who is like 12 ops higher than me

or whatever the spread is sheesh

[spice fjord]

So your ultimate strategy is .. run away as much as possible which nets you no points and accomplishes nothing? Solid.

Also btw whales don't need good crews to trounce everything. A real whale will tear up anything you throw at it while running a speed crew.

[lusty plank]

Run by hitting the hostiles and bouncing back and forth. Set a mada and keep moving. Get in circle at 10 sec mark. Use the speed cap to your advantage.

Don’t die.

[spice fjord]

lol whale sits in circle waits for you to go towards it you go boom and still accomplish nothing.

Basically your strat is, hope the rolling wallet is 1000% inept.

Hope springs eternal and all that jazz but lets be real here.

[lusty plank]

I play against higher ops every time and am normally outgunned… I don’t have a great record, but have won more than I’ve lost

[quiet fox]

I just want the favors for BP efficiency, because you know how hard it is to source BP

I get that it's a psychological game of forced scarcity, but a man only has so many hours in the day to play

[spice fjord]

I lucked out with a solid alliance crew in the early weeks when I could play all night, managed to get g5 when I was like, 52, and g4 shortly after.

[lusty plank]

And I’ve had it handed to me by someone 5 levels lower that spent all their effort in upgrading their ship vs ops level

[quiet fox]

I fell for the Scopely trap of "hey! here's an SLB if you just ops up a bunch!"

hopefully I've learned my lesson this time and will camp on 53 for a hot minute (at least until I can max my G5 uncommon)

[spice fjord]

Oof I wouldnt put my horses in that stable but you do you

😄

[quiet fox]

I mean, I don't have much better

I'm short on FKR rep so I can't start working towards a sanctus yet

[spice fjord]

Nah its all good. For me I went to the Corvus but planning on an EntD so I didnt want to spend too many mats and parts. As is Im cranking into my Sanctus even though everyone loves the Rot, because the Ents going to be the focus.

[quiet fox]

I think the main point of the arena though is to just keep trying. Eventually you'll get an easier opponent. (like a 400M NSEA with hostile crew lol)

[spice fjord]

Well if they want that they need to add the concede option. After 5 unplayable matches in a row why would I want to keep trying?

[quiet fox]

Yeah I just want to give up. Nothing about arenas is fun to me. I was just now in a match where the game lagged to a halt and I had to clear localization just to do anything.

That was on top of being outclassed yet again. It's frustrating to only have a couple hours on Monday for arenas, and it seems like all I do is lose with maybe the occasional once in ten win.

[broken wagon]

Insanity

[cyan void]

he has quantum slipstream doesnt he

[broken wagon]

Of coarse.

[cyan void]

found another victim of the slipstream 🤣 , i hate it so much

[broken wagon]

Not sure why this one FT is in the game

[cyan void]

so every ship because the battleship ST crew

[cyan void]

after weeks of arenas i finally can unlock the g6 blueprint efficiency. never playing arenas again, unless my alliance mates need a +1

[solemn kelp]

grats that my goal as well

i keep getting ships stuck in combat and never leaving

[reef sapphire]

amazing match making

[cyan void]

im amazed y'all have people playing, i couldnt see a single arena team, public and in alliance, yesterday(i'm 55 now). i only know the 70s in my alliance played 3-4 matches but thats about it

[reef sapphire]

plenty people playing in public

[cyan void]

my arena was yesterday, didnt see anyone playing at all around my ops level in public

[solemn kelp]

good but not that good

[reef sapphire]

what is this match making????

all night its been likk ethis

[pearl night]

Higher OPS level doesn't mean anything. A 46 with maxed primes, maxed FTs/CTs, maxed artifacts, rocking T12 Pilum and T12 Kori will absolutely smoke a low spender/f2p OPS53 with a T5 Vor'Cha, almost no primes, highly limited FTs/CTs (perhaps none at all).

It will be an absolute blow-out every single time. The T12 Pilum and Kori with FT/CT and all the primes sitting behind it will be a brick wall for the OPS53 player to throw himself against and even if he has 1,000 repair tokens he's not going to make a dent.

Individual MMRs on an ELO system migrates players to play with like-CAPABILITY players. Not like-OPS level (which means nothing). It's adaptable to actual player assets.

And it's not even hard to implement. There are dozens of games using EXACTLY that BECAUSE IT WORKS and because it's easy to implement.

There's a reason I'm not matched up against Clem or Serral in StarCraft 2.

[teal grail]

The 49 is the leader so 53-44

[brisk rapids]

@pearl night exactly, there is a system already in existence for basically every other pvp game that has a pro circuit but Scopely doesn't think they need it? Utterly stupid on Scopely's part.

[upbeat nest]

I'd like to see the timeframe extended 1-2 hours earlier. Participating has been very difficult at the posted hours...

[wicked tulip]

Why isnt this a 24 event and run on a weekend? Its a no brainer for participation overall.... My largest frustration is the broken rank system, but close behind that is the Monday run day with a limited span. I rarely get to participate.

[cyan void]

their stats say that weekends has the least activity sooooooo 🤷‍♂️

as someone who grinded to gold 1 and losing half my matches because of bad matchups, yea i hate the broken match making system

my win rate is literally 55%w 45%L

[wicked tulip]

Yeah, but the other game play loops dont require completely focused attention - except waves. So during work hours arenas is a no-go, unlike simple daily style events. People take weekends off STFC because they want to and there isnt anything driving them to the game. Throw arenas in the weekend somewhere and I bet weekend engagement comes along for the ride.

[cyan void]

actually for 1 month they should throw arenas to weekends and get the stats from it, weekends dont have much to do tbh

maybe thas why activity is so low

[high mason]

Activity is low because the current implementation was half baked and is just terrible any way you turn it. It should be scrapped.

[alpine sedge]

Heres a good match up 😜🤣

[cyan void]

you're gonna win 😉

[alpine sedge]

Needless to say ....we had our assesses handed to us 🤣🤣🤣

[fallow comet]

Please give to arena also a Cooldown. At least 10 years of Cooldown to never see it again. That would help on game performance. Also give a comp chest with Terran credits definitely with COOLDOWN to be able to claim daily. Thanks! #CooldownOnEverything

[shut gull]

Oh is that what I’m doing? Do you even know how the match making works? Without following the 4 ops between teammates your average goes way up and you face opponents with a significant advantage. Here does this work for you then?

[clever monolith]

arenas garbage alot of time wasted 7 losses 1 win still not enough get daily pulls arenas want binning

[inland cloud]

Most players talking big with high win series either have a (big) spender in their squad, are the spender itself (if not all are) or maxes Ops-Levels for Arenas only.

It's a shame that some players have to show their "skills" towards low or no spenders, while Scopely cares less about the players and more about revenue with each month.

[cyan void]

you do know that doesnt work that way...right?

[shut gull]

I don’t even buy battle passes my dude ❤️

[shut gull]

It goes by ops level not power for your ops if that’s what you mean? Thats how you can have a fresh 60 and meet up with a max 60

[shut gull]

I’m trying to encourage strategy and effort. Too many people whine and then send out novas…there are f2p players who can fly circles around heavy spenders. It’s about learning the mechanics.

[cyan void]

no i mean that even if u get another ops to pull you down you still can get a decent matchup. e.g 53 53 49 can go against 53 53 50

[cyan void]

that would depend. games i play against whales they use 1 speed 1 pvp ship and their fastest ship would outspeed ours so using speed crew still doesnt work

[inland cloud]

As OPS 65 I either face OPS up to 70 or have to fight the big guns alone while having a optimal team with 61 starter and 57 speedguy.

103 Players in the alliance and only 1 OPS 57 while most don't participate in Arena anymore.

Mechanics was and is the smallest part and due to the changes scopely made (3v3 and speedlock)
Try your mechanics while facing a T15 Gs-31...

Welcome to G6 if you ever dare - where progression is bought and Recruitung SLB are for the Top 15 Server Spenders only.❤️

[cyan void]

yea speedlocks killed mechanics completely

the day they lift speed locks is the day so many f2p with good mechanics can actually win again

[shut gull]

I’ll be completely honest with you. I normally play the middle player and run mantis/titan/cerritos with speed crews and I ask the smaller player to also try and help out the same. Multiple debuffs on incoming ships while our heavy had multiple boosts is a morale crusher. Then it all comes down to kiting and timing hostile hits and using your kirshara effectively.

[shut gull]

I get that you don’t always get good matchups. But here is an example where research, fleet commanders, FT and CT make all the difference in the world. Even with the same crews.

Just because it looks hopeless doesn’t mean it is.

[shut gull]

I don’t think I would want a 52 to start and have me as a 56 be the heavy with a 48. My g5 rares aren’t even a billion power and I see some players ops 56 with 1.4-1.6b power and max CT FT. That’s an impressive feat I just couldn’t invest that much into ships that will be obsolete the moment you hit 60 lol.

[golden mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-cry-phone-spider-man-cry-phone-spider-man-phone-toby-phone-gif-12875606672124040541

[cyan void]

it depends for me, if im playing with 56 i play support, but if i play with my alliance im usually the carry. or at least we take turns carrying

most matches we just get horrible match making

NSEAs with maxed speed at 900mil power that kill anything and still catches you even if we run speed crew

just bad bad match ups

[molten ridge]

test

[rugged otter]

When demoted 2 times in a row within 4 weeks trying 10h to get Matches I stopped playing Atenas and as well stopped spending in a game with limited access to certain content. Within Alliance are not enough players in OPS range and public teams are a mess, getting kicked in 95%.

[lilac lichen]

i barley squeeked in gold 2 last week. with the terrible match making / p2win pvp and the scoring (wins and losses being equal now ) I don't have much incentive to continue, especially when it feels like 1/2 my opponents are all plat 1 rank.

[rugged otter]

To be metioned: the account is 1.5 years old OPS 63

[white sorrel]

<@&509690795536941056> since the theme lately has been "balanced gameplay." What are the immediate fixes for arenas? There's nothing Fair or balanced about this mechanic. You see the same people over and over, almost nobody from my server participates on a regular basis. Maybe 5%? What's the plan to make this better? When can we expect implementation?

[turbid wadi]

oh I'm sure someone over at scopley has a plan to make this feature better the real question is how much money can they make off making it better or less opportunities to cheese matchmaking. Yes I know there's gonna be at least one person from every server that will see my comment and say well they don't cheese the +/- matchmaking but let's be honest until same grade of ships are used in any match there's always gonna be that "op" player that 99% of everyone can't do anything against be it primes or maxed out officers/ft/fc's.
Supposed to be +4-4 from whoever is leader which means if I'm a ops56 +4 from me is lv60 which means I should never ever have to risk seeing 61+ period!

which they will never do because then there isn't lots of fish for all the huge whales/ spenders to flaunt all the toys they've bought that keeps the lights on in this game. this arena feature tbh was a great idea/concept but it fell short really fast as the weeks went by and players started to notice that a loss took away same or more than a win and a win didn't always come around often I'll stay on bottom rung of the ladder and be happy with the less frustrations I get from this d.o.a. feature

[rugged otter]

It could be easy: Stop negative Rank Points - getting nothing should be enough, Improve Credits for lost matches somewhat. Stop matching players with higher shipyards - if there is a 66, both sides should have a 66, not just one side easy winning with Rares. Doesn’t solve all problems, especially the kicking out of public teams. But at least you don’t get demoted and get some Credits when playing Arenas for some hours, not just waiting and hoping to find a team, then watching High speed Cubes killing the opponent (my team) in less than a minute.

I wrote several constructive feedbacks in the first arena weeks, getting it better, but nothing implemented, instead messed up the whole Terran faction.

[cyan void]

the worst thing they added at higher ranks is losing the same amount as you win. so +600 rank rep in gold 2 I believe(havnt played arenas in like 3 weeks since i reached gold 1), but U lose 600 rep as well when U lose. as someone who climbed to gold 1, I can tell you you'll lose about as much as you win most times being a f2p with no whales in your team. either make it the same such that you lose half of what you win or just remove losing rep entirely. arguably won't happen because the rewards that are rep locked are really good(mirror dust is great)

[plain aurora]

the joke is mirror dust is limited... if my limits done i dont know why i should do arena...

[glacial junco]

Same couple of matchups, over and over. So glad we're balancing the aspects of the game that need it. FreeDTI.

[cyan void]

the bigger joke is needing to climb to platinum for the final mirror dust reward

[uneven wing]

the joke is also the limit on the dust pulls

if you get that far, you will run out of dust to pull long before the tree is done

[cyan void]

to max the tree you need to almost max everything else

so first batch of mirror pulls will upgrade at least 8 levels of mirror research, 2nd batch of claims will upgrade about 10 or 11 researches and the last one would probably upgrade 15? which is far from enough to max the tree considering you need at least 8 lvls on each research to get the 50% iso boost

[plain aurora]

that isnt the problem for me... i have 65k points...
for lv 53 iam not the badest player in that game... and i lv my ops slow... 1 jump then stay a while till done the most... help in all situations... and yes i invest... not much but sometimes in the right thinks

[vernal steppe]

how possible ?

Starter 50+-4 = Max ops 46-54
Starter 56 +-4 = Max ops 52-60

[cyan void]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-another-unique-feature-andrew-baena-another-special-feature-unique-specs-another-rare-design-gif-19089745

[midnight radish]

That pvp matchup shouldn't of been possible thats way to much of a gap, and that's not how the banding is worked out you add the 3 ops level up then divide by 3.
So 50+50+50=150÷3=50 vs
60+59+56=175÷3=58.3
So it's a difference of 50 to 58.3 which that bigger gap shouldn't be allowed

[sudden phoenix]

When forming a group, you are restricted when forming a group. Everyone has to be +-4 away from the leader. Both teams meet this req.

The matchmaker has no restrictions, it will attempt to pair up teams that best match according to avg level and rank.

[cyan void]

the average is 8 levels difference tho🤔

[sudden phoenix]

It's a balancing act, the left side has 2 plat players that adds weight. Not saying it's completely "fair," but it's not straight 8 levels diff. One side is clearly more skilled.

[ivory canyon]

G4 Epics against G5 Epic & Rare ... sounds really fair.

[solemn locust]

if they want to make arenas “fair”, make it so that losses don’t hurt. in other words, no loss to what is in the store. don’t raise our arena rank obviously, but don’t penalize us for loosing bad matches either. make it so we don’t care if we loose five times in a row. simple. easy. still frustrating. not painful.

[inland cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-fail-epic-balancing-gif-17127089

Avg OPS difference is 8.33 - surely a balancing act just like the DTI I bet 😄

[cyan void]

hey stop it, its a feature 🤣

[white sorrel]

That's not how it's sold. You know this.

[normal ledge]

I think we seen many examples where the averages of levels and ranks are night and day differences yet a match happens still 🤷‍♂️

[sudden phoenix]

https://startrekfleetcommand.com/news/arena-combat-star-trek-fleet-commands-new-pvp-experience/
You can review rules when feature was launched.

[white sorrel]

And?

[gray scroll]

wish apac arena matchmaking wasn't so bad, same groups match after match, not enough people playing to get any variety 😮‍💨

[inland cloud]

missing some details and stuff has changed:

• was 5 on 5 - now its' 3 on 3

• Squad Members have to be within 7 OPS range - now it's 4

• no other limitations - now it's speed capped

• The OPS range limitation is important to build a squad

• There is no dependency between your Squad OPS and theirs

• Matchmaking decides which squads are paired - based on Avg. Ops, Rank, some say sales targets....

Not sure whats weighted the most - sales targets might have just a tiny influence, like 1-8 OPS levels or so.

//edit: You can see that there were also "balance changes" - less participants and less impulse speed to help bigger guys beeing even better. Reminds me of the poor changes in DTI-Store that happened "for balancing"

[sudden phoenix]

The important part here lists both as factors the matchmaker will use to pick your opponent. If you "were sold" something else, then you missed the details.

Imagine if rank wasn't a factor, and a plat 50avg group faced a silver 50avg group. This stomp is just as bad for the player experience. That's why rank matters. Level is only one factor in someone's pvp performance and using only that is insufficient.

[fallen gust]

I’m pretty sure rank doesn’t play much of a factor. I mean I’m plat1 still versing low golds and silvers 🤷🏻‍♂️

[celest shoal]

There are people still doing Arenas?
I'd love to see the participation numbers lately .. I haven't even tried to do any in at least 2 months.
What's the point when the chances of getting a matchup that the winner isn't predetermined by the "match algorithm" are 0

And by the looks of the recent "feedback" , nothing has changed

[celest shoal]

In what way would a Plat group of 50's vs a silver group of 50's be an "assured stomp" ? Arena Rank only means you've been fortunate enough to either be in an undermatched group (by the Algorithm) more frequently than an overmatched one.
Obviously when comparing 2 players of the same level, if one has focused more on pvp than the other the pvp focused player would have an advantage.... but the idea that a lvl 50 "platinum rank" would have a snowballs chance in h*ll against a sliver or even lower rank lvl 56 player is laughable at BEST.

But certainly DISINGENUOUS at the least

[pale coyote]

It is arena feedback, not arena tell me I am wrong. Take the hit and readjust or don't ask, right? People want to enjoy the game not redesign it so it works.

[toxic pine]

See how broken it is still

[sudden phoenix]

Rank is a method of showing pvp skill.

A group of 50s that never send in a ship to the system, ie. poor pvp skill, will be stuck in bronze because they never win.
A group of 50s that beat all other 50s, regularly, would have plat rankings.
A group of 56s that never send in a ship are also bronze.

There's a lot of overlap between the best 50s and the worst 56s. If you think that a higher level team will win just because they're higher level, then you don't understand that whales stuck on pre-ascension servers are still whales. And that power can be bought.

[spiral lagoon]

I see what you are saying but balancing wise its still bad to consider those super niche cases in my opinion

[cyan void]

i think majority just gave up on arenas

i played today cuz some of my alliance mates needed a +1 and all we faced were people with 200% iso dmg 300% iso def, whales 😂

last 2 games we got same level matches so thats that i guess

[cyan void]

APAC arenas are just whales so yea 😂 , dont see anyone else other than that

[cyan void]

tbh pvp skill was thrown out the window the moment they capped speed. i was easily beating whales back then because i zoomed past their slow ships. occasionally ill die to their speed crew tho. now all the people i face run 1 pvp 1 speed. since speed is capped i cant outrun the opposing speed ship now

[thorn thicket]

1.5 years. Perhaps you, like many others leveled too fast?

[inland cloud]

Rank is a method of showing Rank...

And "skill" means how you came to that rank:

• in the good old days with +-7 OPS, 5 Members and Speed - now not even taking part but blocking plat. 1 ranks
• as tiny with whale support
• as whale (around your Ops)
• using the mechanics for advantage (dodge, speed, crews) - will have the least influence.

[fair creek]

for the archive 😄
i can see that the rank again might have an impact on pairing matches 😄

[sudden phoenix]

Pvp skill is a broad definition and includes the bottom 3 you've listed.
Knowing how to game the system when forming groups is a skill.
Having development in ships/officers/crewing/research/strategy/mechanical/dexterity is a skill.

Excelling in them will lead to a higher rank.

[lost badger]

This shouldnt be possible

[thorn thicket]

Within +4 -4 of the host.

[inland cloud]

It doesn't matter. +-4 is only necessary for squad creation not matching....

[thorn thicket]

Reality is that matchmaking can be up to +- 8 overall

[lost badger]

61 to 66 is what?

[uneven wing]

teaming yes, matchmaking lacks that restriction

[fair creek]

seems like finding a good group is as much luck dependent as getting a good matchup 😄

[uneven wing]

I've gotten 61/57/63 vs 62/66/70

[autumn dew]

1 hour into the Arena-event, and I just saw the very FIRST public group being created 😬. After one hour! Is there a better definition of „DEAD-END“?

[thorn thicket]

Host matched is 62. 62 to 66 is what?

[fair creek]

exciting 😄

[lost badger]

Host was the 61er

[lost badger]

they are whales

[thorn thicket]

Matched 62 host

[lost badger]

So matching hosts is a stupid idea

[rocky crypt]

Arena is lagging like crazy

[fair creek]

and we won anyway ^^

[spiral lagoon]

I mean you have the bigger dude so makes sense doesnt it ^^

[rocky crypt]

Ship stuck in warp during arena's, seriously....

[fair creek]

it was very close 😄
and extremely laggy, and the only armadas that made it through were with a bugged cube xD

[spiral lagoon]

Also bungle isnt a pvp player 😂

[storm vine]

uhh, its me 😄

today on pc its lagging like hell

[slow sonnet]

Nicely done 😑

[novel haven]

What’s the problem, just reboot and you save 30 seconds of annoying playtime with other errors… arena is a joke as it’s waves with that constant need to reboot. But hey, they balanced the game by locking DTI…

[short basin]

Severe lag. Radio silence from Scopely again. Will be submitting ticket

[winged sand]

@muted badger Arenas are very bad today with lag, worse than most weeks and every arena i have to restart to either join the game or after the game as its frozen and twice ive had to restart both before and after

[winged sand]

don't worry my cube was stuck in the middle of the arena fighting someone from start to finish, dancing around each other.
One of our ships have defiantly been impregnated