💣-arena-feedback

[open ibex]

Maybe NOT make them on Mondays when literally everyone is mining! ⛏️ just saying

[storm forge]

That’s the big issue with public squads right now. If it’s taking a while to find a match and you want to back out and join another squad, you’re waiting for the leader to decide to disband it. You’re effectively stuck there and have no way of communicating with them to say you want to leave

[storm vine]

and... ban those de-/buff ships like mantis, titan. they ruin the whole arena in my opinion really annoying

[sharp terrace]

you could click "leave squad"

[storm forge]

I didn’t see the option once we were in the matchmaking queue

[sharp terrace]

ah right, you're stuck waiting for a matchup, not the other problem of squad starters not clicking 'ready'

[storm forge]

Yep, once you’re in the queue if it can’t find a suitable match you can’t do anything at all to get out. It would be nice to have a way of talking to your squad members, or at least the leader so you can ask them to remove the squad from the queue so you can leave. I was stuck waiting for a while earlier until the squad leader finally removed us from the matchmaking queue and kicked me out. I assume to allow space for someone smaller to join in the hope of getting a quicker match up

[storm vine]

from platinum II to gold 1 bc of worse matching...

[harsh lily]

How about an option to refuse a match up, then if there is an op player the leader has an option to refuse or put it to a vote. This will stop mismatching and players time

[rich bison]

how is that matchmaking? you just take the next avaliable squad since nobody wants to play it?

[errant forge]

Another Monday, same old crap

[plain marten]

Fortify/max doesnt apply to members not from your server in public grps

[harsh lily]

Also why not try matchmaking power instead of ops level? This is easy game design 101

[austere jackal]

Seems alittle better matching today

[storm vine]

or, for example, only match the same starter ops.

[thick verge]

keeps showing me this for a squad with 2/3 that's shown on refresh again and again

[alpine orbit]

another day, another person who doesn't understand how the matchmaking works.... this is a normal match up

[rich bison]

plz explain how this works

[alpine orbit]

your average ops vs their average ops, +/-4... so your avg ops is ~68, theirs is also ~68

[rich bison]

lol thx, you are a great help^^

[alpine orbit]

best bet is to stretch your team as far as you can, so you want 65 ops starting the team, and a 61 to join you if that's possible

[rich bison]

do you even look at the posts you respond too? or is it just another day another guy who gives random advise...

[tawny parrot]

this sounds great, but not true 😉 52, 56, 60 should not get ops61

[alpine orbit]

that's because they've changed the matchmaking to too small a range.... and once you've been waiting a while for a match it prioritises speed over fairness

[storm vine]

but... 70+70+66=68,66 and 69+69+68=68,66 | what do u think about a fair matchup with these conditions?
as you can see, a match based solely on the average ops will never (!) work

[alpine orbit]

if they changed it back to +/-7, that would stop... but they won't for some dumb reason

[rich bison]

so exactly what I asked...

[tawny parrot]

might be, but this is because the game mechanism is crap so less and less players are in the arena

[alpine orbit]

in your case the matchmaking worked exactly as intended? so not sure what you're on about mate

[alpine orbit]

we are in agreement there mate

[rich bison]

I was asking if it's just the next one, so it's no "matchmaking" it's just random who comes first... did you read any of the last 100+ statements of how they wanted to improve that?

[alpine orbit]

again you're not understanding the system... it tries to prioritise "good" match ups, but the longer your timer goes on, the more it will just take whatever match comes up... hence why we see people in 50 ops range getting matched up with 60+.... I'm not saying the matchmaking system is good by any stretch of the imagination, I'm just saying in your case it actually worked as intended

[tawny parrot]

the matchmaking should not compare the ops level but the actual power of the players

[alpine orbit]

matchmaking was better before the banding changed, I will die on this hill

[rich bison]

thx if I want a scopley answer I asked them, this is the arena feedback channel so let me give my feedback...

[alpine orbit]

the band narrowing made it infinitely worse

[cunning swift]

I've just been kicked out of the same arena 3 times in a row with 'connection issues'. My internet is fine

[remote crane]

perfect matchmaking 🤮 👎 😂

[pseudo linden]

Ah but you see, if you spend 10K and get all the PvP techs and FT's you could have won that, so clearly it's fair

[inland cloud]

I hate it and can't wait to get rid of it.

[pseudo linden]

I want to enjoy Arenas so badly, but they're too firmly in the grip of P2W and poor matchmaking to be anything more than a frustrating couple of hours for me

only so many times I can be thrown in against a player a ship tier higher than me with a g6 rare, and a 10B+ cube with a bunch of FT's and CT's where I don't even move a pixel of hhp before it gets frustrating

[rocky crypt]

surprise 3rd opponent. it has been like this for several matches.

[winged sand]

I see high level players going off about these public teams. Losing ranks because of useless people joining

guess we need the ability to inspect peoples loadout before agreeing to group with them

[silver nebula]

so your are now able to attack withing the 10 second armada window?

[winged sand]

I imagine only if the ship joined the armada inside the 10 minute window since its not locked in

[storm vine]

~63,66 vs ~66,33 - next "Kernschrott"

[fair matrix]

this is no match-making - this is a joke

[white sorrel]

I had this happen last week. It's almost impossible for one G6 rare capable player to fight two G6 rares. It's not impossible but it's ridiculously difficult. Yet it counts the same for wins and losses still. They could just fix that and people would probably engage more. But they will not listen to their customers and they will not spend money fixing this problem.

[storm vine]

95% of my alliance colleagues are now ignoring the arena and today is the last day for me too. As long as the matching is not fundamentally adjusted, I'll probably do without, otherwise I'll end up at 0 in the ranking again 😛

[coral fossil]

The public arenas are much better than the alliance one. Less waiting, more play.

[idle sluice]

It's a match 😂😂😂

[echo perch]

better matchmakings huh ? 💩

[silver nebula]

it was locked into the arena 90 second big one. than at 5 second the locked in ship got locked into battle and it failed cause of that

[glass urchin]

Seriously?

[echo perch]

😵‍💫

[glass urchin]

<@&509690795536941056>
#💣-arena-feedback message
Please talk to the Arena team about this.

[digital geyser]

And two platinum rated players on top. Ouch.

[jagged ruin]

Why are these armadas blue?

[tawny lark]

PvP is broken. Has been for many years now. Arenas is simply highlighting this games massive imbalances.
It’s not “fixable” 🤷🏻‍♂️

[white sorrel]

I understand that. I got my ranking as high as somewhere around 32,000 and when I leveled up in Ops which is what the game wants us to do, I lost my running buddies and I would find myself in terrible matchups more often than not. If winning gets you 800 points losing should cost you no more than 400. You could spend 3 hours playing this mechanic and end up at a net zero or a negative. Why in the ever living blankety blank would people choose to engage in that?

[silver nebula]

2 new bugs in this arena... good job 👍
ships randomly stopping and being able to kill people in the last 10 second phase

[obtuse island]

they need to do something to kill lobbys where the person hosting it is afk, every bloody one has been like this for the last 20 minutes

[marsh drift]

One of the better matchups i had today 🤣

Ngl, it took a while before we found a matchup in the first place, but i'd like to wait a minute longer for a more fair fight 😂

[alpine orbit]

I remember playing vs you earlier, sorry about that 😂 matchmaking is a bit borked

[neon heart]

Arenas matchmaking is that great you get matched against the same overpowered team 3 times in a row. Great news from scopely for continually failing to fix anything in this game as usual, the only things they actually fix is when the store breaks

[earnest arrow]

???? waht is her wrong???

[willow mantle]

I hoped the public squads would make it possible to join a team, but no… it seems that players have a difficult time understanding they need to click the “Ready” button. 😓

[minor grail]

please scopely, prevent having the same opponent 3 times in a row in the arena!

[teal bay]

the bigest problem is u cant jon.... its laggy, it disconects u and u simply cant freaking join the match

[tired raven]

still bad lag in arenas, and bad matchmaking, have yet to have a week where they ran smoothly.

[kindred wagon]

Been quite good ppl just give up. 5 min matches lol

[wispy fog]

Game keeps crashing while in arena

[tired raven]

I guess you end up on the good side of the miss matchjes 🤣

[kindred wagon]

Efficiency. Quicker the fight the more credits earned.

[arctic sapphire]

tried again after 3 bye weeks: 4 rounds of heavy lag, 4 matchups against pvp freaks who max fortify their fully tiered epics before going into battle. guess arenas are finally dead for me.

[spare ermine]

The armadas are just invisible
My ships went invisible too
And I had to restart 2 times back to back to fix this

[warm pendant]

Scopes, I LOVE you so much! Public ftw! I mean it's not my server, but what the heck, lets do this!

[crystal sleet]

The G5 vs G4 has gotta stop. Or remove the speed cap and give us a hitting chance.

[elfin oriole]

horrible glitches today. Just viewing public arenas it locks up on me and I have to kill the game

[silk tapir]

Arena is dead. We got only few in alliance event wanting to try arena anymore. Its been too long busted and not worth loosing nerves over.

[white sorrel]

It says 1 out of three for the team. I'm trying to join in the public space but it says the team is full and won't let me join. Fabulous job.

[elfin oriole]

Hillarious how arenas actually worked BETTER in the first week or two, and has just gone downhill since

[white sorrel]

First week was the best week. Everything they've tried since then has made it worse.

[rocky crypt]

waste of time.

[white sorrel]

You know if they didn't Nerf speed, you could at least have a Fighting Chance, but without that.... No bueno.

It says one out of three yet I cannot join the squad.

[rocky crypt]

we checked their ships. basically all were stronger than ours. and yes, since speed is no longer useful we just sat it out, not deploying a single ship

[wraith turtle]

I keep getting the background stucked after I checked out any public Squad... very fun having to reboot every time. Good work again! You guys deserve a bonus!

[elfin oriole]

seen a lot of that myself

Arenas is officially STARBASE 2.0

Dead

[viral condor]

srsly?

[elfin oriole]

this isn't even BETA-level quality functionality anymore

[viral condor]

it's complete madness

[worn apex]

Why do I keep getting “Squad is full” errors when trying to join a Public Squad? I hit refresh and the squad still shows an open spot in it.
Working super great 👍🏻

[pastel skiff]

THe arena itself is ok, but the room to get in is at times unresponsive. We also need to be able to "chat" with public team participants - people sometimes don't click ready for a VERY long time

public squad searching for an opponenet is also still a little long. seeing eronious squad is full errors too

and incomplete opponent lists - shows 1 opponenet on the other team when there are 3

[unique isle]

A plague on any player who starts a squad and doesn’t click ready! You started the damn thing, and you want us to wait for y’all?!

[pastel skiff]

A bad plague! Like the bloody river!

[white sorrel]

Question to anybody here who works for scopely As a developer or a thread moderator.... Do you think people are actually enjoying this? I mean, is there enough engagement that shows you things are going in the right direction?

Because you keep asking for feedback like you mean it... But then you don't listen to anybody. I just want to understand is all.

[fluid current]

Exactly! Every "improvement" to arenas have made them worse.

[ionic canopy]

I can count on my teammates win or lose. I don’t know these public people and they are just plain bad

[cyan bear]

After a whole evening - probably about 20 arenas, of losing every single one to horrific match ups, well done Scopely I am thoroughly demoralised. Yes, I'm a new 66 (as of 2 days ago) and still weak for my level but even so. Matchups like this one are just horrendous. I've rarely felt so low in the game as I do tonight.

[ionic canopy]

You chose the match on that one lol. If it can be all 70’s it’s all 70’s

[cyan bear]

I didn't choose it... I didn't start this one

[cyan bear]

I can't find teams in my alliance easily. I'm towards the top of the power in my alliance. My options are /extremely/ limited with the +- 4 range.

[solemn kelp]

still lose arena points as well. for that

[elfin oriole]

SCOPELY - from someone that is PLATINUM I and has played a lot of arenas, you guys broke this. Good job, ONLY SCOPELY could make something like Arenas worse with every iteration. That takes EFFORT.

[idle pumice]

I did 12 Arenas today. And while all but one had higher ops in them (that was identical) we still managed to win 11 / 12.

But that one was little rough and I only could destroy ops 63s 6,3B ships few times with Sanctus. It still gave okay data for punching up, well before they put Max Forti and Cerritos on

So matching was okay for me (105) and we didn't encounter that "squad full" error.

But our attack commands did often suddenly stop on their tracks. And opponents showed up long way from their actual position. For these this time Arena was considerably worse than a week ago.

[coral crater]

So I've been trying to do an arena for about 45 minutes. Virtually every 2/3 I join, it says the squad is full. Except one that immediately disbanded.

[quasi jewel]

arena speed is a joke a borg cube as fast as my speed crew and nsea, glitch, laag and even more uneven grouping a joke, our server will give it a miss from now on. about 5% of the server play, that tells you how not good it is.

[main marsh]

Okay so this is the first time I did arena and had no clue you'll be forced docked and lose your progress on main screen. I ws forced out of token space. So what it's a total loss for me?

[idle pumice]

Good points rised here, but takes away lots of credibility when claiming to speak for the whole server. Maybe drop that claim for others to be taken seriously.

[low otter]

i'm actually enjoying public squads. got lucky enough to get in a good group and we're doing well (other than the host being slow to ready or afk). I think this will increase participation quite a bit.

Please make a change to allow you to select the player profile/chat to fellow public squad members. i can't message this guy on the team

[solemn kelp]

yep mining monday, but dont mine, haha.

[low otter]

yes. this is how arenas have been since launch. all of your ships dock because you have to move into a new instance/system

[pastel skiff]

The arena is also interfering with my alerts. I had a n allert for the the "Support" refinery. I clicked on the targets so they were done. I am still getting the notiffication that I have 2 alerts for support

[main marsh]

That is absolutely garbage game play

[low otter]

it's literally how the game works. all ships have to be home to relo and you get relocated to another system

[main marsh]

I haven't been on the past 6 months so had no idea

[low otter]

well now you know. sorry about your tokens.

[main marsh]

At least a warning saying are you sure you want to dock?

[low otter]

the mechanic has been out for 6 months and it's well known. same thing would happen if you cross over during incursion.

[main marsh]

Again I've been gone those 6 months, and I didn't know how it works of coure incursions I know.

[warm pendant]

Public arena, when you gotta lose fast. Accept no substitute!

Sometimes you even win!

[frozen swallow]

i played 2 matches now and came here cuz i could almost smell scopie being cooked bcuz of this piece of @#$% matchmaking, this ain't lol #@$%&*

[plain aurora]

matches this day:
matchmaker was ok
gameperformance bad

• lags after few min
• location ships not on that position i see them
• end screen to long since arena exist

that problems should be fixxed asap

[frozen swallow]

matchmaker was ok my ***

totally impossible matches

[supple vapor]

If at the start of an arena event, the miners automatically return to base, is it necessary to do the arena when it is the Latinum Rush event?

[spice fjord]

54 and 2 57s vs a 56 and 2 60s. Love this matchmaking.

[plain aurora]

for me was ok... hard fights 1 lose most win but my team has hard fights...

[white sorrel]

Not one of these suggestions are going to be paid any attention to LOL.

Are you blankety blanking kidding me

[calm mauve]

seems legit? only a 100m power diff. do better math

[solemn kelp]

yep it only matches ops level nothing else.

[winter mulch]

Arguably one of the closest matchups

[calm mauve]

the 1 46 killed us all. no one could beat him.

also we lost to one, then replayed the same exact team. so thanks for rubbing salt in the wound. there should be a lock out for replays.

[spice fjord]

54 57 58 vs 57 60 61. Seriously this is crap.

lol a 2.8b Rot no one can touch

Waaaaayyyy past time to add a quit option

[frozen swallow]

i don't think they will cuz if they do that no match will last more than 1 min

i mean i'm fine by that but still

[spice fjord]

Well yeah they clearly don't mind forcing their players to waste time

54 and 2 57s vs 56 59 60. Yeesh.

[neon vessel]

Why can't scopely set it up with tiers based on ship building capabilities of the highest ops person in the group instead of messing with impulse etc? This would solve the arena problem for most people.

[pastel skiff]

There is a tendancy to have a VERY long wait while someone has not clicked ready. Perhaps there needs to be a per-minute cost for being not ready

[white sorrel]

I see a lot of really good ideas and suggestions. Unfortunately not one of them will be paid any attention to.

[spice fjord]

Another 60 with double 2.8b epics. Cmon already

Remember back when they announced Arenas and boldly claimed "skill based matchmaking"... lawl

[muted badger]

How is the public match making? Hearing it can be buggy? Or is it more the actual pairings that is the problem?

[nimble geyser]

sometimes doesn't let you select a group and it says they are all full and you need to restart game to get new ones to come up

thre is one squad that keeps coming up, who i swear the guy is AFK because he never goes ready

[uneven wing]

not to name names, but there's a 59 with a 6 letter name who's for sure AFK

[nimble geyser]

pairings are hit and miss, as good as they can be for the algorithim, we win some and loose some so far

thats the guy i am talking about

[willow mantle]

@inner plover was told you take here... If we can please have the ability in this screen to display profile and chat with the team that would clear up ready issues.

[normal sandal]

Can’t join public squads, tells me they’re either full or not found despite having seats open

[nimble geyser]

in the middle of a match and have connection issues, and game keeps restarting, killing game and restarting

strider try closing out game and restarting

[copper kelp]

<@&509690795536941056> Public squads are messed up.

Tried joining over 5 different public squads. Keep getting this though they are not showing full.

[nimble geyser]

you have to join quick, they fill up that fast

[copper kelp]

I refreshed after it said it was full and it still wouldn't let me join. Maybe it is just me? I promise I don't smell. lol

[halcyon imp]

i brought up the same thing during the public squad testing.

no point in running a test if you're ignoring the results.

[willow mantle]

omg omg omg ... i stopped doing arena after the first time ... just tried again ... I COULD NOT EVEN LAUNCH A SHIP ... i could not do a d@mn thing ... i couldnt even enter the stupid arena area

[bronze jackal]

was doing an arena match. game crashed midway. on re-entry could not see ships or docks for the remainder of the match

[lethal hemlock]

2 Arenas. 2 game crashes. Lost one due to lag. Calling it lag is serious understatement. You all just can't get it right.

[obtuse blaze]

All I can say is that you're unable to introduce a proper pvp mode since you have zero index or scale for matchmaking balance. All you know is making pay to win games. Do what you are best at it. Making P2W games

[muted badger]

Team is looking into it.

[tiny kraken]

Absolutely messed up.
Rubberbanding on ships, ships stuck in battle, attack button greyed out at times, ships stuck in warp. So terrible

[frozen swallow]

as a ops 48 getting paired against a ops 46, you can rest assured i'm not moving on this match

[lilac lichen]

so, now we have public. where is all the info in all the ranks? any one have a graphic to make sense of the badges?

[low pier]

About 20% of the time, it works every time.

[wet tide]

63, 60 and 56 vs 66, 65 and 64? HOW???

[calm mauve]

I like the fact I was actually able to do an area because of the public option. ships getting stuck is rough. but the match making is far worse. also shouldn't rematch you with a team who just wrecked yours. it's not going to go better the second time.

[lilac lichen]

i need speed back as well please 🤣 🙏

[knotty eagle]

We need to have the ability to chat with people in public squads before the battle starts. It makes it impossible to communicate and get the game going.

all these public squads and no one is readying up and no way to communicate with them.

[fair creek]

ah i see, mericans finally enjoy the greatness of pubs, too ^^

and yes, europe did give testing feedback on 100% of the issues today xD

[quasi cosmos]

Who started the squad?

[wet tide]

The 60

[quasi cosmos]

Matching is based off the starters, so if the 60 started yours, and the 64 started theirs, then that’s how.

[fair creek]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-wrong-oscar-the-grouch-ding-dong-gif-25943635

[autumn drum]

I finally get a chance to play with open squads and when people aren't afk, matchmaking is trash and there's screen freezing and tracking issues. Time to go bck to mining, this feature is not worth my engagement. Drop the ranking requirements for the items and you might get more people to engage. As it stands now, it's not worth the effort to get curbstomped for no rewards.

[raven rain]

I think assualts was a better feature

[wet tide]

That "Prep Phase" banner is really annoying...

[raven rain]

Can someone explain how it an ops 60 starts along side an ops 62 and 57 we are matched against a 60, 62, and 66!?

[cyan void]

I've been wanting to spend but every time I log on the game and get smacked even tho I've got pretty decent PvP research for my lvl because of ppl who bought the newest primes etc I just don't feel like spending

[obtuse blaze]

They inserting f2p players as the hobby for whales, f2p players should have left this game and let these whales having fun killing eachothers

[cyan void]

I heavily disagree, there are times where I get smacked by ships stronger than me but with titan/mantis I actually manage to take them out, so this actually benefits the weaker players to needing to lunch up

[cyan void]

yea that's true, but I like star trek so I play it and everyday I question myself if I rlly should spend time playing this game😂 . I've definitely spent less and less time playing this game though, my peak time spent is arenas usually

[obtuse blaze]

After this arena, Im now sure im ready to retire, was a waste of time and money.

[cyan void]

I've seen 50s with same power as me completely destroy my corvus because they have PvP primes and FTs but basically everything else isn't leveled so I don't think this will work as much tbh

[obtuse blaze]

Told to almost every low level players to quit asap.

[thorn thicket]

Public was a great addition! Now add squad chat

Been the most fun experience in the past month

[quick wharf]

I like the public part just make it not crash so much

[undone agate]

Keep getting this pop up about 8x and then a “check internet connection” error which reloads the game until public match ends.

[undone agate]

Seems to hit when I send a ship into the middle system.

[cyan void]

the funny thing is assaults wasn't this laggy and bugged if I rmb correctly during it's launch. only thing I don't like is locking research behind starbase level

[fading flume]

Unplayable lag.

[quasi cosmos]

If the 62 started theirs, the 66 is within 4 of their level.

[quasi cosmos]

Yeah, I just battled a level 46 with a 200M powered Pilum. And by battling I mean repeatedly getting blown up by. But that’s been an outlier so far tonight. Most battles I’ve done tonight have been decently matched.

[spring dawn]

@muted badger The public option has been great to the extent that I've actually been able to get into matches today. That said, there's been tons of rubberbanding, ships not displaying where they actually are, and getting stuck (maybe just visual) in battles.

Some of the matches are competitive, most are not. Not a surprise, but people are using mining crews (in the high 50s) as their primary PvP crews.

I feel the team really needs to consider/ make a case for me to continue to engage with this content as I currently feel stuck in the Terran faction. I'm around 0.500 for the evening, so I really haven't progressed tonight. There are good things to unlock, but my time is not proportional to advancing because things are locked behind Gold and Platinum rankings (e.g. I do not see a path to unlocking G6 Innovative Engineering in the current state of the faction and game). What is my incentive to do Arenas when there are so many other loops I could be engaging with where my time in those other loops furthers me in the game? I want to love Arenas and would be willing to tolerate some of it's current flaws, IF I felt like I was in some way progressing in the Terran faction.

[whole oasis]

I have tried joining many matches but never succeed because one person hasn't checked ready... so it is a bust for me

[silk spear]

Public Arenas is making me feel good about my Power to Ops Level ratio.

[lofty roost]

Most of my server\alliance have just given up on them. Not worth the time or effort

[kindred comet]

It was much better like this. I ran into a problem where the ppl that started the group wouldn't join. Idk if it was a bug or what but seemed to happen quite a bit

[kindred comet]

I had to just keep joining different groups til I found one that they all joined. Had like 15 different groups in a row do this here

[silk spear]

I think lots of ppl with minimal experience trying them today. It will get better and better over next weeks as they figure it out or give up and remove themselves to focus on other game mechanics.

[kindred comet]

Could be just ppl didn't know to click join. That's very possible

[patent orbit]

The public matches are....interesting. I did give them a try, went 1/1 with them, so went back to just alliance and went 14/1. That being said....
Lots of rubberbanding, lots of just basic lag such as not getting attack button and lots of loading circles. Also had issues with ships being able to catch my ships that had a 275 impulse....they never should have been able to catch me because they were limited also. Several times saw ships not in the location they should have been, and my first match tonight I had about a minute where my ships wouldn't move at all.

I do not feel playability was any better at all, but did seem there were a lot of new people out there.

[kindred comet]

Impulse was capped

[boreal owl]

This is garbage. I have had to reboot and clear cache several times due to freezing or crashing. Finally had a chance to join a public arena that had an open spot and it just said it was full.

[kindred comet]

Idk what the limit was but they did away with speed crews in arena

[zenith geode]

I just had this same issue. Ship well over 275 impulse but it was caught after a few seconds.

[kindred comet]

^

[zenith geode]

The limit is 275 so anything at that should be uncatchable. That's why we're saying what we're saying.

[kindred comet]

I didn't match up with 66+ this round. That was what made me ignore them til this point

[shadow sun]

Games unplayable. Crashing constantly for arenas. I’ve lost rank. So brutal.

I really can’t believe I lost rank over a few rounds because of crashes. Now it’s unplayable @muted badger is there someone who can help w rank lost and just actually address this. So frustrating. I finally got to silver 2

[white sorrel]

Okay I rightfully take a dump on you guys when you screw it up but I also give it to you when you do it right. This evening's pairings were fair and I had a decent amount of fun. However, the same things are happening... Inability to Target, ships stuck in combat... Rubber banding and of course, as always lag. Please fix the scoring.

[forest pilot]

Arena leaders are just AFK in Public Squads. Its so freaking annoying!!!

There is like 15 people that just created a squad and walked the heck away

Maybe send them a pop up or notification that says YOUR SQUAD IS READY

[wild bramble]

Is it possible to disable the "You have been attacked!" popups I get during arenas? I'm playing on my PC, but my phone usually explodes with these popups after every match. I don't need to be told 5 minutes after the arena has ended

[fossil sedge]

Does this even need a caption? Do better, scopely. I need a shower after this match.

[wooden agate]

Arena matchmaking is bull 💩. Do better

[thorn thicket]

Public is a great addition. There was some lag and targeting issues at times. Need to get that fixed and add squad chat

[wraith turtle]

I am Done! Arena was great early on but because some cry babies that couldn't understand how to create squad to get a good matchup you guys decide to change it so much that it's just plain awful now. in the top Alliance on my server, no one is doing Alliance Squad cause they already gave up on it and every time I try to scan public Squad I get the ghost page and I have to reboot. Rebooting all night is not my idea of fun in this game. All you needed to do to stop the cry babies from whinning was to adjust the lost points to 1/4 of the win points so people would still play Arena even if losing 3/4 match they would still gain ground but nooooooooooo You had to make it worst. Good job! Give yourselves a big bonus You all deserve it

[charred sun]

Why can’t we message other group members? This leader won’t click “ready”. How can we reach them? <@&509690795536941056>

[spice fjord]

The funny thing with the Leader ready issue is the last 4 I had had also JUST started a squad... WHERE DID THEY GO??

[vagrant horizon]

impulse is still jacked in arenas. how does the ship on the right catch up with me on the left when they were 1/3rd of the screen away from me as we were both moving in the same direction? if you're going to cap it, cap it.

(it overtook me as it was chasing me in a combat lock)

[rigid void]

i wish the power was more equal in these match ups

[shut gull]

Arenas were fine until the last month with all the tinkering.

This isn’t right.

[shut gull]

Facts. Arena was fine and now it’s trash. I got all my favours from g6 bp down to g3. And I have no need for these anymore. Waste of my time.

[sharp terrace]

Didn't they already do that in the last week with the delayed launch of public squads? The issues were the same that were raised in the EU playtest.

[sharp terrace]

That you're a weak 46 is nobody else's problem to fix.

[sharp terrace]

Aside from the bugs and issues that were reported in the EU playtest and not addressed, scopely has basically cooked arenas by themselves. Player participation numbers in the beginning were reported as around 40% of active players; this has dropped by around 60%. Aside from losses due to frustrations over issues, scopely actively reduced participation by changing squad brackets. But this has already been given as feedback. The weekly participation stats are published, presumably they already know this. The only real way to improve matchmaking is to increase participation numbers. So the real question is: Will scopely address the issues and actively incentivise players to try again, or let it die?

[spring blaze]

Scrap it!!

[waxen lotus]

Public squads from my experience wasn't perfect but still brought back some fun for arenas for me personally.

The main thing that was frustrating was the number of squads I joined where the squad leader wouldn't ready up. It also felt like those same squads kept showing up for quite some time. An improvement there might need to be something to time out squads where that is happening so people dont waste their time joining them.

Otherwise it seemed more stable, I only had one match where I was kicked out of the game and a handful of ships not where they were which is better than normal especially with a lot more matches played than I have been playing recently.

[golden mortar]

I ran six public matches last night and about twice that many alliance runs. I didn’t really have an issue with either. I did get one stuck ship in a match but that’s it. With the public option I was able to jump into those matches quickly and I liked that. I had a much better arena time yesterday then I had had the previous two runs.

[swift bear]

Bonjour les écarts de lvl sont encore trop grand pour une meilleure jouabilité 2 lvl de difference me parait bien. J ai beaucoup apprécier l arene public qui permet de jouer sans attendre les membres de l alliance

[fervent jacinth]

My group ran 9 matches last night. We didn’t have an issue with the pairings as most of them seemed “fair” from an ops level view. We were concerned about the quality of private vs public group matches. In most cases, we were facing public made groups who cannot communicate as well as us (there is no in game tool for this) and may or may not be rolling the dice on the quality of player they are getting. We had a cake walk because of this.
I did experience a new bug during a match where upon restarting due to a ship being stuck in combat, my ship ribbon at the bottom of my screen was completely gone. The issue corrected upon a second restart. iOS
My group of three has been together since the introduction of 3v3 and after discussing our experience last night, we felt the public vs private experience had made our matches much less competitive than before.

[glossy cobalt]

The msg you have with people always loses after you exit the arena or restart the game.

[toxic fiber]

They weren’t fine; they were less bad.

[sly violet]

please add a button in the matching screen REROLL MATCHING

I liked the public arenas, easier to find players interested in arenas... but the matching still need work to do... 5 of 10 fights were wrong, sadly I took the screenshot of only one. player 55 open the squad, min 51 max 59, and we simply lose the fight because the op range code dont work. I dont care to wait a couple minutes till we match with the correct OP range. I just dont want to enter a fight no one in the squad can possibly win!!

[golden mortar]

That is not that big of a difference. Just because you see an ops number that is bigger than you, doesn't automatically mean its going to be a no win scenario. They have a 60....you have a 59......everyone else is a wash.

[sharp terrace]

avg ops 56.7 vs. 57.3, nothing wrong with that

rankings look fairly even too, if anything your side has a higher win/loss ratio than theirs

[plain aurora]

think that the 60 dosnt unbeatable for ops 56+... opslv say nothing...

[thorn thicket]

Keep the matchmaking as is. Just add squad chat to the arena teams

Also, make it a 24hr event on a Sunday or a second opposite 12hr slot during the week for the night players.

[sly violet]

So the player 59 has access to the same ships as a 60? Didn’t now that

[wet tide]

Matchmaking needs to be fixed so that the strongest player on both side have access to the same ship grade. Whether if someone build it or not is on them.

[sly violet]

I’m glad I’ll be able to build my Enterprise D by 59!!! I honestly thought that was only available at 60

This demands a BIG NOPE!! Lvl 60 is a big jump from lvl 59!

Cmon, people saying the matching was ok 😂 no need to be rocket scientist to understand how that’s broken… just a quick play and lvl 60 can wipe several lvl 59 with one hull

[golden mortar]

You do not have to have the same ship as him to beat him.

[ivory canyon]

No, you don't have to, I agree.
But what you never see here in the cases where paid VTs, CTs, officers, primes, etc. compete against a F2P player. At this point, the balance that should still exist somewhere despite the payment, so that it should be interesting, exciting, meaningful, etc. for everyone, is unfortunately broken. If the opponents had done the same invests ... it would probably look different.

[sly violet]

Congrats… but that is not the reality to most of players!

What I’m asking is to follow the OP range rule… +4 -4… if that doesn’t matter, than take out the op range and let every single player play against any other player

[raven rain]

What FT and CT do you have that makes that possible? I'm guessing Tantlus Field and Canon.

[sly violet]

It is simple as that… maximum op 59 can’t face a maximum op 60!

If theres one player lvl 40 killing 60, congrats to him, it is one of a kind… but that’s not the reality in this game to all players

[blazing hornet]

Please no. Just because your team can't punch up a single ops level doesn't mean the rest of the player base wants to wait an hour to find a match.

[sly violet]

Just give the squad the opportunity to reroll the matching and the problem will be gone

[lyric isle]

Can we widen the window to give players more opportunity to participate in their schedules? Instead of 8 hrs, expand to 12 hrs; starting sooner rather than run later.

[icy hemlock]

Thank you for public arenas. I was actually able to participate without leaving my Alliance. The people I matched with were great, we had actually fought each other in incursions. Lots of fun.

As far as the reroll, if you like it-the other side will probably reroll. It will never end

[warm sage]

After reducing impulse and going from 7+- to 4+- the next fase is cutting mantis abilities wich causes to much interference in arenas 😜

[polar vapor]

most hilarious matching i have seen.

Also, when did Public Squads became cross server? There is nothing about this to be found in the news

[sudden spruce]

Our European friends have been testing the Public Squads, it was just introduced to the US servers yesterday. #⭐-official-announcements message

[polar vapor]

yes, public squads

nothing was changed in any news or article after that. one would think the would mention such a big change

[sudden spruce]

Public Squads you are joining with people from your server, before that you were limited to people in your alliance.

your opponents, from what I understand, can be a group from any server in your region.

[polar vapor]

In the screenshot i posted ASTRO and Lethal are from my server and alliance. Ash and Projektil i have never seen and i can assure you that the other 70s are not on my server

[inner plover]

The public option screen is available to everyone on your region

So you can group with other servers, and even face your own alliance.

[sudden spruce]

Wow Scopely expanded that further than I thought.

[uneven wing]

i'm glad, i didn't want to carry people on my server not in my alliance

and i certainly didn't want to put myself at the mercy of bigger players than myself on my server to carry me

[sudden spruce]

Kind of makes some kind of Squad Communication more important, seeing that its on its own server cant a Galaxy Chat/Alliance Chat be written in to the code and allow you to talk to your team members and the other team?

[thorn thicket]

Cross server was a good move

[patent orbit]

Could it be? Yes. Will it be?.....🤷‍♂️

[sudden spruce]

lol

[minor ice]

Adding arena chat seems like such an obvious move, I don't understand why it wasn't done by default.

[hexed magnet]

Seems rather broken every time I click on public or switch back to alliance. May have more player participating if done on a different day like weekends when most events take less time to do

[fallow basin]

Nice Balancing 💩
A Level 50 Player with two ships over 200 million cleaned up the whole time, no getting through.

[thorn thicket]

Sometimes you're the hammer sometimes you're the nail.

[kindred wagon]

Exactly. Depends on what you goals are. I got beat big time by 59 but win the majority with the right range of players as I'm a 56 with t11 sanctus n ft

It's normally hammer time for me😅

[gloomy rover]

That 46 has more power then you and your worried about the 50 😂

[whole birch]

To beat Arena you need to be strong for your level, and even then you lose some win some. In my eyes it seems you are under powered for your level

[teal grail]

@muted badger @gritty cobalt <@&509690795536941056> lags encountered :
-ship stuck in combat (clear localisation to debug)
-ship position displayed not accurate for my ship. It was appearing in the edge while attacking players and moving in the arena. (Cleared localisation but did not work) after 2min the ship slowly displayed accurate position.

Suggestion:
please add a shareable link to public squad and or a private mode. If we want to team up with players from other alliance without having to manually kick uninvited guests.

[fluid current]

People complain about the matchmaking because the matchmaking determines the winner. With the impulse speed cap, it doesn't matter who plays better, who communicates better, who uses support ship better... it only matters who had spent more before the match started. Matchmaking will never be "fair" if skill doesn't matter. Arenas will be fun if both teams have a chance to win. The only way to do that is allow for strategy and tactics like in the beginning. Remove the impulse speed cap, fix arenas, win back your players.

[pseudo sand]

they capped impulse speed??? i guess they have to remove every possible chance the smaller player has vs the whales.

[signal temple]

Impulse speed was bs anyhow, can't even target a ship, the game isn't fast enough. Just as frustrating watch a ship you can't hit as it is losing to a whale over and over. If you can win 50% of the time probably less you can progress through the ranks. Just chill

[tawdry fable]

I will say match’s by ops where good all match’s our ops and opponents where about the same it did come done to who spent more money. Not a big deal won 2 out of 6 matches. My big concern is the amount you lose in league rep and the amount you win both need to be change league rep should be lower and arena coins need to be increased. As it is losing tons of matches you end up with very low rank and a few arena coins hard just to get enough for a week of single pulls.

[wicked tulip]

Until the team fixes the arena rep issue, they will never see the engagement they desire in this event. Its an easy fix with two valid options: 1. Disconnect arena rank from non-cosmetic favors in Terran store. Or, 2. Drastically reduce the rank penalty for a loss. If they did that, player count would skyrocket. Most my alliance specifically stopped playing arenas due to rank issues, myself included, and I love the arena concept. Being stuck at gold 2 for 9 weeks and counting grew stale..... <@&509690795536941056>

[kindred wagon]

Unfortunately there is not a one size fit all. for me arenas has been easy from the start. Only reason being is I've held back in ops and OP for my level. I feel for the 61+ and maybe they should be auto granted unlocks so they can take advantage of Content that is useful for them

[glass moat]

For the arena to work, it should be ship and crew only. All other external bonuses should be immediately nullified, including forbidden and chaos technology. But of course, that would be going against the whales and their ego. They would have no bait for their massacres. Equal conditions.

[uneven wing]

so what's your pitch for someone rolling in with a ship or officers with more tiers than yours? instant loss?

[glass moat]

Scopely really likes to add new ships. They can create 3 Neutral models, a scout, a battleship and an interceptor that cannot be leveled up, that are only used for the arena and that's it.

[autumn dew]

As long as epic G6-ships are allowed in Arena this event is dead for me 😡. And I am NOT alone.

[autumn dew]

Even for me - Lvl 69 - Arena is dead. As long as epic G6-ships take part it is completely useless. An epic-G6 with similar power than my rare G6-ships does more than twice the damage. And in THIS case no workaround possible (Unc. Next Tier).

[shy minnow]

You could go up ops and build one too

Couldn't you say the same thing about any ship since your saladin does double the damage of my mayflower you shouldnt be allowed to use your saladin

[ripe ingot]

First matchup

[exotic knoll]

19mins into start and its not handling it

[lofty kestrel]

what a joke

[radiant valley]

yes sorry... I was on the other side @_@

was thinking almos tthe same

[exotic knoll]

sorry mate, look above i died mid game and couldnt log in

still cant get on

[lofty kestrel]

ok

[wicked tulip]

Same crap, another week. And continued silence on the rank concerns.

[quiet mortar]

Lag makes it unplayable with mixed team. And matchmaking still rooted!

Think all three together had the power of just 1 opponent 🤦‍♂️

[strange wing]

With the apex bypass and players getting the chaos tech it’s not worth doing arena now

[fickle niche]

matchmaking is so good 🤭

[tawdry sun]

Scopely are totally tone deaf to everything we say about arenas.
We said public arenas needed built-in squad comms to be viable, and we were right
We said capping impulse speed wouldn’t help, and we were right
We said restricting the ops range for squads would make matchmaking worse, not better, and we were right.
The changes over the last month have actively reduced arena participation, making the matchmaking more imbalanced due to fewer squads being formed, but Scopely don’t seem to care. Putting it back to how it was before they took it down to “fix” it before Christmas would actually be a massive improvement for most people.

[compact delta]

If a 62 starts, then they can be matched up against a lv66 starter, who can bring in a lv 70 player - cos ya know, the 4lvl gap allowance.

THe 62 however can only bring in a max LV66 player, who even at their best, can not compete against a 70.

Please can this get sorted out properly, as it's really having a huge effect when it comes to participation.

at LV64, i don't want to begin a group, knowing that the max i can reach realistically is a LV68 - which again, because of the scope of opposition I could face, is not fair in the slightest.
either a cap is put on the lower 60's so a g6 epic can't join, or at least allow LV63/64 to have the ability to access up to lv70

[fickle niche]

apparently the match is in progress but all i see is this

restarted twice

restarted again, still same

[compact delta]

also, seems like these no longer count for anything

[inner plover]

did you happen to hit your 2k hostile limit?

You won't get any directives from the hostiles if you did.

[compact delta]

in the arena? how does that come into effect when it's a completely separate entity.. like how ships are free to repair...

[inner plover]

Because the directives are considered loot and boosted by loot crews, so when at the 2k limit, no loot.

[compact delta]

since when has that been a thing?

[inner plover]

since always

[compact delta]

in the arenas?

[inner plover]

yes

[compact delta]

urm, ok, please feel free to show the t&c's of this, as the arenas we're always meant to be a separate event that didn't tie in with normal gameplay!?

oh and btw, the directives finally dropped

[inner plover]

then lag, but what i said still applies

[compact delta]

it doesn't make sense that the items you need to start an armada would be counted in the daily loot limit, when you need it to play the event.

also, I've only been online since the event started, and there's no way i've hit 2000 hostiles in that time

[tranquil belfry]

matchmaking is so bad

[dusky osprey]

looks like there are basically no teams at the moment.. Not sure ive seen any reasons around here why that might be or why people arent playing the mode 🤣 🙈 🙉

[young tiger]

Every match making is determined to pit you against those who clearly spend a small fortune, where’s the fairness in that?

[west topaz]

lol

[toxic pine]

Seems Fair slightly confused how the 4+- thing is working because um all 3 of us on the left are UNDER 4+- ops range to the 59. And before anyone points out the 56 is the leader, that matters how? the matching should count ALL players in the lobby not just 1 player was thinking that was fixed finally obviously not broken feature that needs to be ingored entirely

[quasi token]

this seems fair

[tame root]

Hadn’t seen these bugs before <@&509690795536941056> :

Screen1:
In reality i got 2 ships of mine destroyed plus goodies to set another armada;
however, i wasn’t able to set another armada cuz my first one never finished as the timer kept being stuck on “0”, plus that my ships destroyed weren’t being reflected so i wasn’t able to repair any nor send in any new/fresh ships…

Screen2:
A couple of screen refreshes resulted in nothing and eventually had to reset app which did the trick resetting everything, only being followed straight by a new bug where my ships suddenly gotten “anchored” with all of them not being able to move/send in…

[west topaz]

Are you all high?

[gritty cobalt]

sent you a dm!

https://tenor.com/view/catpopo-gif-14363104828101683866

[dusky osprey]

Try an ambulance this mode needs a resus 🤣

[tough birch]

https://tenor.com/view/perhaps-today-is-a-good-day-to-die-star-trek-first-contact-gif-26461019

[sick jacinth]

Looks fair to me steem

[dusky osprey]

Don't forget it's a skill based mode according to some content creators 😉 just try harder

[tough birch]

Or 🐳 harder 😉

[toxic pine]

Suggestion, make arena 1v1 not 3v3 it is way easier to match make that way, match a 70vs70 61vs61 54vs54 etc easier than matching 3 players to 3 other players your maths Scopley has ALWAYS been wrong and has alwsy been broken

Or just ad the option to run 1v1 rather than 3v3 so groups can play and solos can play

[ivory canyon]

This is a fair match? According to what rules? In level and rank, it just doesn't even begin to fit

[sick jacinth]

Honestly, one of the fairer matches I've seen in this room so far

[potent lance]

Even that will not be easy there is quite a bit of power differences even within the same ops. You would probably lose more if not the same amount

[toxic pine]

But it would be fair

[potent lance]

I still would not define fair as putting a ftp 50 against and paying 50

[toxic pine]

I dont mind losing to an ops 54/55 like me I hate losing to a 56 with their 800m+ ships

stil fairer than puting a 54 against a 56 400m power ship vs a 800m power ship you know what happend I chiped his paint that it

and if the f2p is smart about how they play they can win against a p2w

[potent lance]

There are still some that are able to punch up and knock out 56 rares with there 53 uncommons as there are some weaker 56's

[tawdry mantle]

id be happy to just have a team where the top player doesnt fly in one ship and just afk

Public matchmaking i guess

[toxic pine]

oh the paying ones yes but what about the none paying ones??

[potent lance]

Just need to have the right bracket make sure the big player in your team can smack the other team

[toxic pine]

look above from Jimmy

[potent lance]

Don't do public squads

[toxic pine]

that does not work it would be fair easier for 1v1 on a fair field

[toxic pine]

and what of the players whos alliance does not play this broken feature??

[tawdry mantle]

Not everyone has the luxury of havinf enough players close enough in ops to be able to not do public matchmaking

[potent lance]

Then that is a risk you will have to take or make sure you join a squad that you are the big player so you do not have to worry

Yeah the matchmacking sucks sometimes but you can even your odds if you plan your team out

[west topaz]

I think the takeaway is just stop playing arenas, it's absurd at the moment

[toxic pine]

I did and rejoined because I though it was fixed now going to ignore it again

[celest shoal]

Well there would be no way to Algorithm that .... we have to be realistic... and the more unrealistic we are
, the more $copley will ignore the valid feedback & suggestions

[tulip blaze]

tried last time, was a usual pain and suffering, so not going to bother this time, for my feedback search for my previous messages, hasn't changed 😄

[tribal girder]

I wrote a joke then deleted it 😉 nothing you can do at that. And it’s precisely why people play arenas and then stop. Such a shame

[marsh drift]

I don't mind a challenge, but come on 😅

[rocky crypt]

Seriously....

[marsh drift]

Another one lol

[rocky osprey]

Cube still getting stuck in warp despite restarting before every match. Happened once in about 10 matches, but it's still a huge disadvantage having to restart

[robust bobcat]

Waiting to join, waiting to launch, waiting for the timer to run down if you have obviously won or lost, waiting to leave, waiting to reload, arenas = waiting….. where is the surrender button for when you are been spanked by a massive my over powered ship in the other team, I could be doing dailies instead of watching someone else do armardas whilst I wait for a repair

[spring pumice]

Never change, Scopely! 🙂

[lofty echo]

A fair and even match up!

[silent pelican]

superb matchup😂 keep it up👍 (just to be clear, i'm joking😉)

[robust bobcat]

Super laggy still and the game keeps crashing, as always good job scopes

[silent pelican]

ok i withdraw what i said, they weren't PVP addicted, my fault🤦

[robust bobcat]

The level 50 I’m against has just run through our full squad and now I’m waiting. 7 mins for the arena to end so I can get on with my life, no point sending anymore ships as it will destroy everything and my team mates (public squad) appear to have given up as well! Might as well make a brew, what an absolute waste of time as usual

Actually I use my stuck time in arenas to open the Seven hundred chests and faction things we have to click every day 😴

[flat terrace]

Using a glich in Arena ... so the Cerritos can not be destroyed

[robust bobcat]

What’s with the long cool down after the battle, why do we need so long to see that we have been so comprehensively spanked as usual, I don’t think I can rank lower now

[manic orchid]

Fix this please, this should not be able to be a match

[robust bobcat]

What’s the point of posting public squads when no one is ‘ready’

[young tiger]

Yes that’s very annoying you end up leaving and flipping between a few just to find one that’ll actually start

[robust bobcat]

44, 48, 48 vs 46, 49, and 50 I am lined up for another major loss

[hushed tulip]

🤦

[fair creek]

not attempting to play arena is pretty chill

[lofty echo]

How are you so bad at this Scopely!?!

[royal cape]

Really nice matchmaking

[uneven wing]

idk those last two look good for arena matchups compared to normal

[autumn drum]

Pease remove the rank requirement from all the non-cosmetic rewards in Arena. It will increase player engagement. Let the pay to win look pretty while not punishing everyone else’s gameplay rewards by constantly getting curbstomped

[austere jackal]

I think arena getting better well done,
Yes we have had higher levels but we also was able to beat a few,
What I would say needs to be done is when losing should be cut back less points so your more moving forward to the next rank. Two hours trying to reach the next rank plus all the arena events before only to get close then lose lose they close then lose.

[autumn drum]

The rank tier tied to rewards is what blocks more people from participating. Once you hit the ops 63+ bracket it hard to make ANY rank progress unless you fluke out. By the time you find a group that wins you've lost so much rank it's de-motivating to participate. Why am I going to grind for rank that I will never reach? Complete waste of time

[silk tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/coffin-dance-coffin-dead-coffin-dance-dead-man-dead-gif-1795768380065876519

[tiny dagger]

Trying to beat the algorithm by min maxing ops lvls doesn't always work, especially in higher ranks

[safe frost]

"restart" - the most used word for me during arenas. every. single. round. i have to restart multiple times

[lofty scaffold]

love the balance 😄
win is sweet, but a bit too sweaty

[austere jackal]

One step forward 4 back

[lavish yacht]

I can't even get to join a squad apart from those who have gone afk and sitting there not ready 😦

[strong mortar]

start your own.. then go AFK 😉

[royal meadow]

progression even if losing would be nice this one step forward 2 steps back is so annoying espically with the match ups being so rubbish

[left rover]

today had only one battle at arena and was awful, not by matchmaking strangely, but for some move isues that render my ship unable to move, only to attack, but not to join my own group armada, end before you say it, yes i did restart game before going in because of your arena lobby wallpaper glitch..

[marsh drift]

Got these guys 3 times in a row now, so i can safely assume feature is dead and buried? 🤣

[knotty lantern]

Don't think its dead yet, otherwise you wouldn't find a single match. But it certainly is on live support and has been for several weeks already 😅

[cyan bear]

Another great one. I don't think I've had a round tonight without a 68 in and I'm the top of the bracket on our side lol

[lavish yacht]

hosted a few - 1 win, 1 loss, 5 restarts and still couldn't get into the 3rd match until the opponent was already on 800 points lol

[steady sonnet]

Can't join public arena squads. All are saying full with only 1 or 2 players in them

[alpine orbit]

sorry, me again 😂

although that screenshot isn't me haha

[cyan bear]

Yeah no offence to you, you're a good player... but you're a bit above my league atm 😂

[surreal topaz]

Whatever you just did to the matchmaking in arenas - undo it. Matchmaking today has SUCKED.

[indigo lagoon]

Hey! I saw your group briefly on the public list.

[surreal topaz]

Yep! Don't join us.. we are curse... now facing a 61. lol

[indigo lagoon]

well..... I'm sure someone is not happy on the other side lol

*I do feel *a little like a jerk lol

[surreal topaz]

Yeah... I have been seeing that with every match. Somebody in Scopely catastrophically broke matchmaking.

[indigo lagoon]

I mean.... Matchmaking 'fairly' is incredibly hard in a game with such vast scale like this. There's a near infinite amount of variables. I'm not saying they do it well... (Note, scopely does nothing well) but it's simply not an easy thing to do.

[surreal topaz]

I could do it... just band it by the ships it is possible to build.
For example: if nobody in the squad can build a G5 epic they should NEVER face anyone who CAN build a G5 epic.

[indigo lagoon]

I completely agree with that.

[cyan bear]

What's the squad is full deal all the time? Showing 2/3 players and I can never join because squad is full??

[indigo lagoon]

Like... This? This is bad.

[indigo lagoon]

Someone just clicked it before you could.

[surreal topaz]

Yeah... that is no fun for anyone.

[cyan bear]

Like... constantly?

[rigid void]

My game keeps restarting, making areans impossible to play!

[surreal topaz]

And now matchmaking has gotten... even worse. Our highest is a 57... we are facing two 62s and a 58.

[indigo lagoon]

Everybody is flooding at the same time

[hollow pulsar]

Matching is horrible.

[surreal topaz]

Yeah... we aren't even bothering to send to that insanity. There's no point.

[prime glen]

just want to declare my love for the match making algorithm, it has been awful all night. thank you!

[slender temple]

match making is a joke, fix the brackets,

[pastel skiff]

If what galaxy is this considered a fair match?

[cyan bear]

Scopely. I'm flattered you think that I (as a new level 66 and at the top of all the brackets I've been in) can beat level 68's constantly. Truly. But I don't think I'm quite there yet. Please re-evaluate your match making 🤣

[rigid void]

Unplayable on PC. Game keeps restarting. clearing locatlization doesnt help.

[brittle willow]

Final Arena today. As a average player with a few PvP FTs you can unlock via free routes and no PvP CT, its a dreadful experience. I started playing as a 57, and i dont think the first pvp CTs had come out. Lots of players at a similar level to myself, i would win some, lose some. 5v5 was really fun. but since the CT stuff came out, i just seem to get creamed by a higher ops whos spent £££££ on PVP FT and CT and they cut through my ships. 60+ it went really downhill. I cant recall facing a team that didnt have 1 big hitter with all the tech and maxed G5 epics in the past 2 months. Groundhog day. i give up. YOU BROKE ME BRO

[glossy cobalt]

Lol against you no chance

[fresh cape]

If you can not fix the algorithm, how about we get 5 vetoes a week. 🤷

[indigo lagoon]

Just so it's clear.... I'm aware that I'm a jerk lol

[prime glen]

there you are

[glossy cobalt]

What you have? 1.5b rare

[indigo lagoon]

Out of dock vs in Arena

[glossy cobalt]

Uffff no chance for anyone below 56 to kill you

[brittle willow]

YOUR THE REASON I HATE ARENAS 🤣🤣 nice ship man

[hollow pulsar]

Keeps happening. My internet is just fine, but scopely doesn't think so.

[indigo lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/its-me-hi-im-the-problem-its-me-taylor-swift-anti-hero-midnights-hi-gif-13029647805586693511

[marsh osprey]

Two 66 and a 63 and we get matched to two 70’s and a 66…if you can’t fix the matchmaking, please stop penalizing us with negative points, especially since these points are tied to getting things in the Terran store.

[surreal topaz]

Scopely you suck at matchmaking to an ASTOUNDING degree. I am honestly impressed that you managed to get this so wrong.
Are you sure whoever wrote this algorithm isn't working for a competitor and committing corporate sabotage?
If this was my company and things were this bad, I wouldn't be able to rule that out.

[opaque grove]

Great fun today. God matching most cases although a few matches a bit off.

[broken wagon]

Honestly whats the point of arenas. Just to get beat on

[surreal topaz]

4 freaking levels higher than our best player with twice the power we can field...
How can you be this bad at your jobs?

[broken wagon]

At least make a surrender button.

[surreal topaz]

Let me phrase this in a way that Scopely execs might be able to understand...
Arenas sucking this badly actively prevents me from spending.
I have had ONE reasonable match out of 6 so far today...

[white sorrel]

Yet again....a 64 starts this is supposed to be impossible. Yet here we are again.

[broken wagon]

I give up on this system. No reason to waste my time.

[obtuse blaze]

You have any idea that entry uncommon ships can not beat high level rare ships right? You have zero clue how to write matchmaking code since you simply have no index for rating players. Only op related matchmaking

Waste of every seconds

[hollow pulsar]

The arena is for people who pay.

You won't do much if you don't

[rigid void]

Between the lag and the power disparities...and can't play Arenas on PC because of game restarting on its on own....

[obtuse blaze]

Not true. Check all the screenshots community have sent, the main issue still is the same: matchmaking blance

[alpine lagoon]

It would be nice if I didn't get kicked every time I try joining a squad

[glossy cobalt]

What did that 53 run? Can you please let me know🙏🙏

[torpid socket]

Arena lag is beyond brutal. Completely unplayable. Ships get stuck don't attack show up in wrong spots. Don't attack when attack is cued. Very unimpressed with the last 2 weeks of arenas.

[surreal topaz]

So... that time I got to play the bully. Scopely, that is no fun either.

[torpid socket]

Back to the quantity over quality it seems

[boreal owl]

So, they can blow up your ships after you lose and have exited the arena or, and it’s a most likely or, there’s some serious lag going on. 😒

[alpine lagoon]

3rd match in a row after spending 20 mins trying to get in a squad and I'm the only one trying. I'm out of emblems so I have to do this broken content

[boreal owl]

Lovely, had just done a reset and cleared cache and the game still freezes up. Great stability @muted badger

[alpine lagoon]

I hate arenas

[astral skiff]

This room perfectly represents why I haven't done arenas since I unlocked that stupid ship they source.

[alpine lagoon]

I want the premium dust but I'm about to say screw it

Today I ran out of emblems, last time I did arenas was December

[brisk rapids]

I actively want to participate on arenas but mathc ups like this sap my enjoyment out of it. Completely one sided and un dun. They have beat in levels, power, and available ships.

[fierce field]

Scopely - thanks for doing this. I love losing match after match because the game has devolved into who spent the most on primes and Chaos/Forebidden tech. That's really a lot of fun.

[low pier]

New issues this week include match up screen showing 3v2 and 2v2 matchups, ships stop when you click attack, and ships change speed mid flight. I can’t see that any of the previous issues have improved. Matchmaking got to the point that one player on the opposing team had more power than the 3 of us put together.

[rich cove]

Scopely I get no Alliance or Public Squads. Is there a problem?

[hollow pulsar]

That's one of the best matched arena I've seen

[fluid current]

Impulse speed cap has ruined arenas for all but the top 1% of spenders. Strategy, tactics, comms, none of it matters now that 1 whale can catch every ship while running a PvP crew. Winner is determined on the matchmaking screen.

[fierce field]

I lost 10 rounds in a row. Every single match was either lopsided or the opposing team had 100% P2W tech. So - unless players are willing to pay to win, there is no sense playing.

[fluid current]

The first couple weeks of arenas were fun. We felt like we at least a chance of winning most matchups. Even lopsided ones we could run speed crews and try to out armada them. Impulse speed cap ruined arenas.

[idle gale]

Joined public squads for first time (not for lack of trying before, but people just never clicked ready before). After match was done, started getting lots of visual glitches where arena screen replaced station screen or galaxy screen, but wouldn't fully load arena screen either... couldn't play when glitched. Also, increasing latency issues where ship commands are not engaging right away, ships do not appear to move when told, and most noticeable, cannot pull up a battle report post arena match.

Please just start giving out weekly comp chests for arena stuff again and let those that want to do the content do it, and those that don't, can bypass it but still get the faction stuff.

[celest shoal]

WHY MAKE A SQUAD AND NOT HIT THE READY BUTTON

[stray cipher]

Match up still not good, game still crashes, spend a ton of speed ups/rss and play for an hour and score goes down…no thx.

[paper lodge]

I’m done trying. GOING BACKWARDS on scoring if you lose has done it for me. The only people that enjoy it are the ones who have spent money on the buffs/etc.

[plucky flint]

looks real good, fair

just as good

[wet tide]

Still ever so annoying ... the prep phrase text blocking everything

[idle timber]

Is the impulse speed still capped in arenas?

[autumn drum]

Remove rank restrictions from non cosmetics if you don’t want this feature to end up like Assaults

[spice fjord]

Fix your stupid game for the love of...

Targetting just, stops, randomly, mid match

[wicked tulip]

<@&509690795536941056> THIS

[torpid gust]

Public squads need to remove hosts who don't ready up with a full squad. Public squads on my server are packed full of AFK hosts.

[patent orbit]

I have NO clue what is going on with these matchups, no way were we matching average!

[untold turtle]

👀

[spice fjord]

Oh good now I go to base system to cerritos boost and cant select the arena system. Cmon already

[tall prism]

why do people create public squads if they aren't READY?! I have joined DOZENS of squads since the release of the public squads feature and waited a few minutes with each one, and the creator of the squad never readies up. I always have to create my own squad.

[torpid gust]

Becaue they went afk in arena, everyone else left and they became the leader

Scopely, I thought public squads were meant to improve matchmaking? I'm 3k arena score and got matched with somebody who is 65k arena score

[trail isle]

Equal power is not relevant if they paid to maximize their vessels and crew. We had an equal power match. They all had completely maxed vessels and rare crew. That's a duck shoot. It's not worth titillating the rich.

[spice fjord]

Yeah raw total power means diddly. Too many primes and artifacts and so on don't change the power numbers enough.

[torpid gust]

It's incredible how often I run into people who are the 15th highest power for their ops in the ENTIRE GAME in SILVER RANK

What even is this, how are they not fighting against higher rank players?

[spice fjord]

Well thats easy they havent arena'd enough. You understand Rank is purely based on winning a whole bunch of these, right?

[torpid gust]

They must've arena'd a lot to get 65k arena score

And if they're that strong for their ops they should be ranked pretty high with that many games

[spice fjord]

Then I must have misunderstood the issue. Maybe they're just not the leaders of the group they're in then? Because with 65k score THEY arent silver rank for sure.

[gilded notch]

I absolutely love arena, but the lag makes it miserable to play and the banding still isn't great. It's pretty frustrating that you won't dedicate more server resources to make this smoother

[lilac lichen]

Tried public today since I got on late and no one in my level was around. Here was my take. Huge waste of time. Arenas was one of the things I kind enjoyed about the game. Took forever to find a squad. Why do you let idel hosts just sit there in queue. Think I joined like 5 or more where host was afk. Big, big time waster. Then when you join, I had 2 groups that tried hard, unfortunately match making was against us. Also seeing just so many pay only PvP chaos and FTs. I played I think only 4 matches with 3 groups. Probably spent well over an hour for my rank to go down. 1 win 3 loses and that about relates exactly to the matchmaking. So I guess I got some pulls for this week but this is pretty bad scopes. Really unfortunate you are sticking to this schedule, the low payouts for participation, the rewards tied to ranking and losing rep every time you get beat by teams that are much bigger.

[spice fjord]

TBF like 90% of the current Chaos Tech is pay only lol

[high mason]

<@&509690795536941056> Arena are a joke. They are literally the worst feature of the game.

[spice fjord]

No that would definitely be Assaults.

😄

[rigid void]

no contest when power is overly mismatched

[brazen leaf]

The lag preventing attacks has cost me a few match wins

[spice fjord]

Really need a quit option here. Got tossed against a Tantalus Field user the final two matches in a row, waste of my time.

[quick geyser]

Connection issue error multiple times during a match while I'm not in a match or a group the screen bugs out so either way. Also, the match making is still unbalanced.... Suggestion maybe grouping by power and level? There won't ever be any balance for f2p or even dolphin spenders against a whale spender the FT's, primes, artifacts to go up against is unrealistic.

[thorn thicket]

Needs a longer time slot and squad chat.

Other than that my current experience public with Arenas is good.

[frosty cedar]

as one of the people you faced, I'm honored that you think we're so overpowered! by the way, kudos to you on breaking 100m at your level

[astral pebble]

<@&509690795536941056>

Do you really think this is a fair matchmaking?

[knotty lantern]

Introduce a pve grind or currency exchange in exborg store 👍🏻

[knotty obsidian]

I agree but that would be the final death knell for arenas

[minor ice]

Could we please do something about targeting ships in armada circles? It is beyond frustrating how difficult it is to click on anything in the vicinity of an armada countdown, where quite literally every second counts.

[knotty lantern]

If it's as loved as people seem to claim here it wouldn't. On the other hand if scopely is interested in pushing people to higher ops the favours are more or less mandatory. And people won't get them otherwise because they won't engage in arena no matter what the changes are.

[knotty nexus]

Please at least make it a 12 hour event. 4-12est is the worst time for me I rarely can do any arena

[knotty obsidian]

we both know thats a lie 😂 . my available squards tell me most just dont care for arenas

but yes the favours are a problem if you just cant get them from the store

[knotty lantern]

Some here don't seem to agree though. Arena is already on the deathbed and among those still playing the majority is just desperate for the favours. Once they have them unlocked they will leave as well. So why not get rid of all those just in for the favours by introducing pve / exborg options and just focus on improving it for those few that actually are into the pvp. 🤷 Would mean far less complaints, far less required server performance due to less then 5% actually playing and far better progress for everyone which scopely seems to be desperate for.

[celest shoal]

What's not "Fair" about that ... you had a 57 on your team... they had a 58 .... one level apart .... that's all that $copley's Algorithm must look for. 😂🤣😂

Pay no attention to the fact you highest ops on your team was that 57, and the 58 on the other team was the LOWEST ....that shouldn't matter according to $copley

It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to understand that going by the TEAM LEADER Ops level instead of "just an ops level of a member of the team"(which is obviously what is happening) .... it will even out MANY matchups ... Not ALL , but Many

You will always have SOME uneven matches ....
$copley can't Algorithm Spenders vs non-Spenders, or players who have done research and progression vs ones who've just blasted through ops levels....
But it would be a HUGE step in the right direction.

[dusky osprey]

biggest problem is the lack of teams for alot of the bad match ups, if the matching system takes too long to find a match it lumps you with someone else who has been searching for a while. These ones are always the worst skewed matches. Participation anecdotally was way down this week, it was much harder to find a team, most of the time refreshed public page and there was 0-1 teams available last week that was 2-3 teams each time

and participation seems to be spiralling down the toilet

lots of suggestions in here how to fix that but radio silence as usual

[faint wharf]

This is ridiculous, why is it so hard to imagine this could be fair.
This is because every week I hope you fix rotten matches, but no. First how did you come up with 4 up and down without any regard to ships participation?
A lv 63 can't have a velox, so why should that time even see one? I mean do you think my uncommon g6 is a match for a g6 rare or epic ? Ofcourse not, so why must we continuously see the same types of mismatch. It's not rocket science and it really appears as though you guys lack imagination and the will.
The problem actually starts from making a frame where you do 2 solos, 1 rare, and repeat! I can't believe you call that an arena, and to add insult no viewers in the arena. Monday night fights should be the talk of the town instead you keep pushing everyone away. Nice game, but sooner than later frustrating players who want to compete will become disenchanted and move on to something else.

[minor ice]

On a different note, why on earth isn't it scheduled for Tuesdays? The server transfer aspect of arenas means it interferes with two major things: Mining Monday, and TCs*. Tuesday is the only day of the week with no TCs. Seems like a pretty obvious solution 🤷

(*If you join an arena match directly from your TC takeover, without first docking or leaving the system, you don't receive your Trailblazer points.)

[white sorrel]

I've said much the same. They are just feeding the addicts at this point.

[rigid void]

Thank you! That is very kind of you! 🥰 Our SQDs had a 165,746,400 difference in total power. Two of our players (myself included) had no chance against any of yours, each having at least a 59K+ power advantage. (But I'm very proud we were able to get as many points as we did, all considered). Take care (and I hope I don't face you in Arenas again 🤣 ) 🖖 🥰

[golden mortar]

At least some things I see here are the players fault. I did 16 matches yesterday and went 11-5. There were three “bad” matches total where the other side had ships 2 grades above ours. We won one of them and lost two. All other matches I’d say were close. Our top was ops 62 and we trounced groups that had ops 66 in them. It’s not all about a number. There seems to be a lot of people who ops rushed, skipped voyager loop cuz there were currency’s and stuff to mine. Skipped the xindi loop because those hostile are hard. Skipped silents for same reason. Stayed out of the MU because of the dungeon system. And on and on. Now you find yourself with an ops lvl that your research and ships cannot support and then cry “where’s the fairness”. Crybabies.

Look. See. It happens sometimes. Get over it and move to the next match.

[slate plinth]

My issue is, I’ll never get to Participate because it’s the EXACT same time every week. In the middle of my 10 hr shift in manufacturing. The time should change so EVERYONE gets to participate. 💩 all the way around

[rough pond]

How about auto queue once group fills and hits ready? Had multiple groups where leader never hit ready in public squads wasting time.

[teal grail]

<@&509690795536941056> @gritty cobalt @muted badger

Suggestion:
Max fortification isn’t working in public squad, I suppose it’s because we are not part of the same alliance ?

Could you bring it up to the dev team please ?🙏

[inland cloud]

non spenders ain't poor and they ain't crybabies. They are essential for this game.

Putting yourself higher than others by putting them down is not nice.

I bet your OPS62 bought some extras - no offense meant but often a stereotype of those who talk big: either they pay2win or they hide behind someone who supports them.

[marsh comet]

As for Arenas, I know for me if it was on a different day/night than Lat Rush/Mining Monday, I think more ppl would participate. With our ships being recalled automatically, it's a waste of tokens for those of us who mine in token space.

[wide dawn]

Makes you wonder if they are even listening. We have been saying the same thing over and over again for months... Why should they even have a channel called Arena Feedback?

[golden mortar]

Ha. Funny. So you take a post about crybabies and cry about it. Did you even read what I wrote or all ya still upset about arenas and fairness and power numbers and all that jazz?

[inland cloud]

This is 2 Low for me sorry. I didn't even say a word about Arenas while you blame yourself with that Attitude.

[golden mortar]

Right. Keep rocking turbo. 🤙🏼

[indigo lagoon]

Dude! Congrats on 60!

[golden mortar]

Thanks bud. I’ll be here for a bit. It’s a fun level for sure.

[celest shoal]

I like Arenas, I actually participated this past Monday and achieved , then lost , then re-achieved (barely) Gold 3.... that unlocked a daily pull of Priemium Dust.
Because it's tied to Arena Rank and not Teran Rep I am leaning towards not participating again until I've run out of Teran credits to pull that daily drip.
I will say at least for my Arena runs , the lag was better , I can honestly say I had more matchups without the unplayable lag , than with. BUT the matchups still STUNK . My team was either WAY overpowered vs the other , or WAY underpowered... there was never a match that the outcome was not known before it started.
PART of the problem is $copley's Algorithm.... but another part is lack of participants. More participating = more of a matchup pool
$COPLEY can FIX BOTH of these problems but are too stubborn to admit they have a problem in the first place.
Again this is SAD because I WANT to participate but can't/won't because I can't afford to hit a slump of being on the WAY underpowered side of the uneven matchups.

[wicked tulip]

Arena rank is the biggest issue in the lack of players. Scopely thus far isn’t able to acknowledge it completely. We get that rank needs to exist and is part of matchmaking. Let people have bragging rights, we don’t care, give them unique rewards and cosmetics, awesome. Remove arena rank from the Terran favors and dust pulls, and boom players return in droves and the fun comes back.

[golden mortar]

Although I’m not a fan of removing the rank system, play more…win more…should be better reward tier. However there is some merit to this argument, as I have skipped an entire Monday of arenas because I liked my rank for the pulls and I had enough from the week before to full pull it for the upcoming week.

[wicked tulip]

Right and the current system discourages play for the majority of players in the game. Rank is fine, bragging rights are fine, tying rank to something arena specific or cosmetics, also fine. Tying rank to everything in the Terran store and having losses take away as much rank as win is where they are missing the mark for most players.

[golden mortar]

I think a 3:1 ratio for rank would be a quick fix. Where I’m at it should be 900 points for a win and -300 for a loss. Or something like that.

[celest shoal]

A ratio would be meaningless since the matchups are so Borked (from lack of participants & the Algorithm in general) so merely changing the ratio still would not inspire participation.
Don't remove Arena Rank... but just Untie it from non-cosmetics in the Teran Store and change those non-cosmetics to a Teran Rep benchmark ... plain , simple and fixed.

[cinder notch]

Second post butnthis is ridiculous. This is the fifth time i've been kicked out of the solo waves and thr third time my credits were completely wasted. THIS is why I stopped buying your packs. Fix the game!

[golden mortar]

I disagree that the matchups are “borked”. Not always a great one sure. But not borked.

[celest shoal]

When I say Borked ... I mean a person pretty much knows before they start whether their team is gonna dominate or be dominated... that's the definition of Borked.
I can't remember the last Arena match that I've been in that my team was either WAY overpowered vs the other , or we knew we had no chance. And I assure you that a matchup where people don't "know" is the exception not the Rule

[high socket]

Yeah, the old fun glitches of crashing when starting a wave are back.

ALWAYS, and I mean always, restsrt your app while ships are in the system and start timer is counting down. Gets rid of the issue, and when you log back in you can kick it off with no problems. Side not though, this is the arenas specific channel.

[cinder notch]

i'll try it, thanks. Yeah, arena specific and an arena specific bug. thought this would be the right place w./. this

[high socket]

Waves are not arenas

[cinder notch]

i read this wrong. sorry. still less screwups than scopley

[ripe ingot]

First Matchup

[wicked tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-really-messed-up-superbad-gif-17098295

[ripe ingot]

Lets go backwards agin today

[celest folio]

<@&509690795536941056> Matchmaking still not great...

[ripe ingot]

just not enough on i guess

[cyan void]

another week another arena 😂

just went against a 56 52 and 50 while my team is 54(me) 52 50, yipee arena matchmaking

game before that was 55 55 54 against my team 54 50 50 😂 , the other 2 games before that was actually fine, completely balanced, could kill the other team with stings etc

[gray scroll]

these poor dudes, matchmaking has been pretty decent otherwise

[cyan void]

current match

would really like if we got an update if arena brackets will be getting fixed

[blissful knot]

Congratulations Scopley - am so done with arenas until these match ups get sorted properly - the absolute worst mechanic in the game

[inner trail]

Worst matchmaker. Good thing I'm not looking for a date.

[cyan void]

worst matchup today

[fickle niche]

we had a player from opposite alliance in public arena, he max fortified but and instead of us getting the fortification, his alliance mates got it 😂

[cyan void]

it looks like he was trying to help🤣

I think if matchups are unreasonable we should be able to file a ticket to get back our reputation tbh

[fickle niche]

we were outmatched against the 60 and he gave them max forty 😂 we still won

[cyan void]

like there's no way someone expects me to somehow kill 3 60s

[golden mortar]

No way anyone can win against a bigger team.

[cyan void]

only possible if you use like all speed crew and they can't chase you I think, but most whales I face bring nsea and their main ship

[fickle niche]

even the game is ashamed to show our team of 56 & 60 😂

[alpine orbit]

<@&509690795536941056> lag is so bad arena almost unplayable

matched against two of the biggest spenders on our server, no thanks.... this is by far one of the worst matchups I've had

[brittle oyster]

Matching is working fine 🤦‍♂️

[turbid wadi]

until i can see steady matches of exact same lv of match ups I personally consider this feature d.o.a. as of week 1 back in December

[storm vine]

lol, its absolute unplayable. ship locations are like hell. warp dont work. its a desaster

[turbid wadi]

if it's supposed to be +4/-4 now the if I'm an ops56 I should never ever half to worry about facing someone over ops60 as thats within that range. Yet i see many posts in here or on my own discord in game chat both galaxy and alliance of ppl having to match against ships 8 ops lv higher because of the same strategy that has been used since week 2 to essentially cheese the power dynamic. Now thats fine its been allowed and it cant be changed but match those players against each other I'll gladly wait 4 hrs for the +4/-4 that I'm supposed to have at any match

[astral pebble]

<@&509690795536941056>

Once again!
Do you REALLY consider this a fair matchmaking?!

[fickle niche]

what do you mean? the impulse restriction solved every problem. either you are lying or the devs are 🤭

[humble yoke]

Arena starts in 5 hours 💪

Wow where you guys located where you start now

I'm in Florida

[tawdry sun]

That's not how it works. Unfortunately we've tried to tell them that bringing the range in has actually made the matchmaking worse, but no one is listening

[rocky crypt]

EU arena's are on

[humble yoke]

Thought so 🤔

[tawdry sun]

APAC arena is almost over I think

might already be over

[rocky crypt]

get popcorn and a drink and enjoy all the juicy stuff here

[alpine orbit]

wowww, same team that we just lost to matched with us again.... so simple to block this from happening but you've not even done that

[humble yoke]

I know you guys don't want to hear this but I'm Ops 53 and I run with my 53 mates and 8 times out of 10 we get a pretty close matchup

If we ever get that one matchup with "the big guy" if we can we just out maneuver

But can't win them all

[tawdry sun]

<@&509690795536941056> It'd be nice if the system didn't show me public squads with 2/3 members, but tell me they're full, yet refreshing on cooldown tells me they've still only got 2/3 members. Are they full or not?!

[alpine orbit]

what is going on with matchmaking today???? 2nd time I've been matched with a team out of my band

just give us a back out button, take the rep from us whatever, what a colossal waste of time arenas is today

[rocky crypt]

Fix this as well. low priority but looks horrible.

[sage shuttle]

What do you mean today!! It's junk and needs binning until it actually works. PVP is never gonna be completely fair in STFC, but they need to do a lot better than they have done so far.
I reckon it's been running for 6 months now, it was m'eh on day one, and has got progressively worse with every "fix", although l can't speak from experience any more, l've avoided Arenas for 2 months.

[alpine orbit]

can we save pointing out cosmetic issues until they actually do something substantial to fix arenas? You're giving them easy tasks to do that they can then use to act like they've done something....

3rd match in a row now that I've been matched with a 70 ops, are you serious Scopely?! This is beyond a joke now

[humble yoke]

Maybe not run with a 69

[alpine orbit]

I am the 69.... our team average should mean we don't face 70 ops, but we keep getting continuously matched with teams far outside our band

Scopely broke the matchmaking when they reduced the banding to +/-4, yet they refuse to change it back

[humble yoke]

That sucks.....

I love when they sometimes throw a high level in and he ops leveled too fast and we murder him

[humble yoke]

So what's your win/loss ratio today?

Cause your definitely running a bully setup

[sharp terrace]

did I miss the announcement that arena pts was changing from +500/-275 to +600/-600?

[limber cloak]

Well, matching is fun... not one even remotely balanced match so far.

[humble yoke]

It changes as you level up

[alpine orbit]

1 win/ 6 losses

because matchmaking is horrendous

[sharp terrace]

ok then maybe it's a sessional bug, last week I ranked up from gold III to gold II and the +/- pts didn't change (was +500/-275) but this week started at gold II and the pts are +600/-600

[alpine orbit]

yeah because playing exactly as intended is totally bullying 😂 grow up

[woven lake]

You serious?

[alpine orbit]

I got matched with those guys too, matchmaking is so broken today, way worse than last week

[woven lake]

i need only 2k more points, than this arena can ********** and i wont touch it anymore until Scopely finds a way for fair matchmaking

[golden mortar]

why becuase of one ops 66 on the other team?

[brittle oyster]

OPs 61 as a leader got matched with a ops 66 leader 😉 teammates are restricted to +-4

[sharp terrace]

matching is working fine, which part don't you understand?

[golden mortar]

Your teams Ops average is 63.6....their teams ops average is 64 😉

[cyan void]

that match looks completely normal tho

[cyan void]

not sure how that works tbh but maybe its cuz my alliance doesnt have many around my lvl that does arena so i have to do it with people +/- 3 ops so we get paired with all sorts of matchups

[faint wharf]

Hope arena matching is done more fairly.
Hope you add another ops lv to squad making level from 4 ops up and down to 5 up and down.

[cyan void]

i dont think itll do much tbh, they should go back to the original + - 7

back then i had consistent matchups with people around my level, i think many people as well from what i read from the previous comments

[harsh lily]

Seems fair 🤣🤣🤣

This is why we need a reject button

[glossy cobalt]

@rigid void lol

[robust bobcat]

No matter how many times I refresh public squads it just recycles the same groups with inactive players, it’s been an hour and I’ve not got into one arena!

[fickle niche]

make your own public squad and disband it. refreshes for me 😂

[sharp terrace]

better to create your own public squad, by the time you do get one you find the starter doesn't know how to click 'ready'

[dark solar]

Lag is worse than ever before again. Seems the fixes are working nicely

[marsh drift]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Please, almighty scopay, tell me what to do here

[tough birch]

Pray

[grim sail]

Sagt mal Ihr Programmierer... mit Eurem Balancing im PvP hab Ihr aber auch ganz schön Müll Programmiert oder was sagt ihr dazu? Somit ist erstmal Cashflow wieder eingestellt.

[tough birch]

Feels as though scopely aren’t really sure what they want arenas to be - do they want lots of people to participate or the same people doing it each week, as based on activity on our server it seems like the latter

Countless mining systems in g6 all full with miners which means they’re not playing in arenas

[flat basalt]

If you can't fix the cube bug in arena then ban the cube from arena

[silent meteor]

absolutely pathetic matchmaking - it's not the 1st of april yet ...

[harsh grove]

What a ridiculous match, give me back my lost reputation points. @muted badger

[golden mortar]

Spend 6 mins in the match doing the best you can....maybe the other team isnt that good....maybe not. Finish match, wait 60 seconds before readying up and try again.

[modest estuary]

Arena no.1 today: couldn‘t join - reboot. Joined - ships frozen - reboot. couldn‘t join again - reboot. Auto-restart and by the time I was in, it was over…Great quality 😂

[sharp otter]

Arenas is still a mess

1/3 2/3 arena squad is full.... it horrible glad a have the vindicator. They can shove arena where it's dark

[strong mortar]

alot of lag but overall all arenas is good.

[sharp otter]

Arenas suks

[strong mortar]

some want matchmaking to favour there poor research or ships... rushed ops gets caught out here 😉

[fair creek]

the only folks that have my sympathy are those on the mid 60`s, encountering superwhales 24/7

[marsh drift]

In all fairness, i think i had around 4 bad matchups out of the 11 now, so at least it's getting a little bit better?

Until this comes around 🤣

[golden mortar]

Thats kinda of the way it works for me. I usually get into 15 matches or so a week. 5 of them are potential bad matches on paper for us...and we usually win a few of the bad matchup ones as well.

[silent meteor]

ships get stuck in warp and i got this error message - tried to restart 3x already, nothing changed

new bug unlocked

[wicked tulip]

Welcome to the reason most players wont engage with arenas anymore, lol. Gold 2 is where losses and wins are equal rank reward/punishment. Have been gold 2 for months...

[modest estuary]

Worst lags, bugs, rubber banding and chaos since the first wave. Wonder what the programmers did again 😠

[manic orchid]

This kind of power difference should not be able to be a match

[celest shoal]

Guess I won't worry about Arenas again for another 3 weeks ... I have enough uncommon credits to pull my daily pull of Preimium dust for that long ... no need to risk losing my Gold 3 status and then lose my daily dust pull

[strong mortar]

find the sweet spot and arenas is easy...

[celest shoal]

No such thing .... especially now today seeing they broke from the formula of just having one from each team the same level range .... I see more than a few matches posted above where the smaller team didn't have anyone even withing 3 levels of the smallest on the bigger team ... just when you thought matchups couldn't get worse .... $copley says "hold my beer"

[strong mortar]

well my matchups are easy...

[sharp terrace]

just because some don't understand how matching works does not make it broken

[inland cloud]

Avg OPS Difference +3 Max OPS 67 vs 64 and similar rank.
I call this broken matchmaking.

[sharp terrace]

just because some don't understand how matching works does not make it broken

[strong mortar]

matchmaking with the whales i agree is screwed.. sub 50s is quiet pleasant

[inland cloud]

repeating nonsense doesnt't make it more valuable

[sharp terrace]

your opinion is just that, and does not reflect reality 😂

[tough birch]

“Fair” matchmaking isn’t something that scopely will want to do, as if it was equal there would be very little incentive to buy packs

[inland cloud]

56 -60 - 64 vs 67 - 63 - 59 count for yourself.

[celest shoal]

By all means explain it then ..... when you see a team with a 70, 69, and a 66 get put against a team with the highest player being a 65 , 63 , 62?

[sharp terrace]

it's been explained many times, just scroll back to previous weeks

[celest shoal]

Funny , I've never seen $copley explain their matches

[inland cloud]

count ops difference, avg ops difference. Ranks were exactly the same

[sharp terrace]

yes, scopely could really make an effort to post a blog or video explaining in addition to others who have tried, but at this point I doubt those who haven't tried to understand would bother trying to understand

[inland cloud]

you can create a squad within +- 4 ops from starter. Opponent aswell but without any ops limitation coming from your squad.

Matching is based on avg OPS Level and avg. Ranks + matching in time + Scopely wants you to spend.

[unique plume]

arena feedback ? close it down it sux bcz you dont know how to do anything fair

[glossy cobalt]

Thats not even that bad of a matchup! All members are g4s and no g5. Nothing wrong with that. Power comes down to who camps and playes longer. That 49 player nyssa doesnt even have tantalus field just the faction pvp fts.

[brittle willow]

They need a timeout on afk public squads. im getting the same dead squads 😦

[storm vine]

i can't get rid of the feeling that either many people don't know the “ready” button, or something is wrong with the leader one.
the ready button from the leader is constantly, really constantly missing in the open group.

[limber cloak]

Match making is ruining this feature in public squads. How is a team of 62, 61, 58, supposed to fight a team of 62, 58, 66🤷‍♂️ i don't think anyone would mind if you didn't lose points, but that means that you find yourself in a match which destroys your rank, wastes your time, is not even slightly fun, and you can't even leave it... I am finding something else to do in-game because everyone on one team has given up. The power disparity is epic

[strong mortar]

they need a cooldown on rejoining a arena youve been booted from too...

[knotty minnow]

same as usual...people pay and nothing got fixed

[prime glen]

facing the same squad you just lost to, is not the best feeling looking at the match up

[strong mortar]

looks fair...

[knotty minnow]

its not fair....+-4

[silent pelican]

oh dear...

[strong mortar]

30 second leaving arena is a joke...

[knotty minnow]

it's exactly the same garbage. they just say something, absolutely nothing is true because they can't do anything

[median root]

4 times a ship was stuck in warp/combat and after a restart my ships were missing, but i could still control them

[strong mortar]

ive had same tonight

[knotty minnow]

or they didn't really pay attention in math. you can't program that stupidly

[granite dirge]

During the arena

I can't steer no ships

[knotty minnow]

its a totally shame....every week you hear we have exciting new things.... we bring out even more crap we can't do

that's just embarrassing and incompetent

the only thing they can do is release new packs every 3 days

[silent pelican]

Never seen something like this in more than 100 arenas i think😂

[knotty minnow]

and god forbid there's a bug to the player's advantage. it's fixed within minutes. i've rarely seen such a bunch of clowns in my life

[rare oyster]

As a good strength ops 41 i can honestly say the Arena system is not worth it, unless you have bought officers and force level your ops to get the 42 ships, then "invest" in chaos tech and some primes you wont win.The experience has left me wanting to avoid arena's going forward like many others (as my rank is in the 2000's it shows the lack of participation from the player base and for good reason)

[granite dirge]

Matching

[knotty minnow]

its all about do by stuff not for the players fun

there is no real challenge anymore

winning means spending as much money as you can

[celest shoal]

Didn't run the numbers of the example did ya ... 70, 69 , 66 = average of 68.333 , 65,6362 = average of 63.333 .... now I didn't zoom in to see what rank they were ... but short of that 63.333 average team being all 3 platinum 1's .... how on this earth would you try to justify that as a competitive matchup?

Math is HARD huh

[rigid void]

what the heck!?!

[winter mulch]

ikr that 54 should be ashamed the 50 is higher power than them

[rigid void]

we were distroyed!

[storm vine]

nice one

[surreal topaz]

So... I see the matchups are still being coded by baboons.

Those ops numbers, I am pretty sure they are supposed to mean something with matchmaking...

All right... you've convinced me, Scopely. You suck so I am officially giving up on Arenas tonight. Go find your cannon fodder somewhere else.

[near pendant]

Arena's might be a bit faster if there was a forfeit button to push when it's obvious the matchmaking is drunk

[surreal topaz]

Scopely see how there is almost no activity here right now... that is a very bad sign for the future of Arenas. Just FYI.

[idle gale]

Give arena weekly comp chests to all players, letting the vast majority of us that don't want arena trash mechanics to still progress in Terran Empire faction.

[alpine lagoon]

This is scopely's definition of good matchmaking

[patent orbit]

WOW that was some bad lag. Ships not where they were showing, ships sling-shotting across the system in less than a second, getting attacked by someone thats not even showing in the system until after the attack is over, unable to target players, hostile attackes took over 15 secondds.

[marsh osprey]

This one hard to top. Fix it Scopely or walk away from it like the player base has.

[fair creek]

nah, ive seen 49 48 50 va 53 50 56 today, yours looks balanced compared ^^

[near pendant]

what is the point of the created squad saying that the required ops level is 45-53 if we are matched with a team that has a 54 in it? We literally couldn't have a player that ops level

You would think that it would be able to at least handle that

[uneven wing]

because ops isn't everything?

[rigid void]

true, its about Power. Lets see the stats

[near pendant]

You say that... but if I can't have a 54 on my team, I shouldn't be able to be matched up with some who can... Power is a lot, but a 54 has access to ships significantly bigger that I can reach

[wicked tulip]

That 65 was either afk or handed their phone to their toddler 🤣

[near pendant]

the 54 fielded ships bigger than my entire team combined

[uneven wing]

the 65 lost a lot of large ships lol

[near pendant]

rant over... back to other things. I adjusted my evening specifically to do arenas and was as disappointed as I thought I would be. Won't worry about that ever again

[wicked tulip]

Four weeks now without playing one arena. If they ever figure out that the easiest fix is some rank adjustments, I will be back each week. Punishing people for playing the loop makes zero sense. Sure losses should mean something, but fully negating a win for each loss, meh.

[near pendant]

I knew that the matchmaking was still bad.. usually I can't play at all becuase I'm on the road during the arena timeframe... but after these few hours being exactly where I started I guess I can say at least that I made imaginary progress? it's almost like getting a raise at work that just barely matches the rate of inflation

[late fossil]

Completely unplayable game keeps crashing say check connection used wifi kicked used cellular got kicked big waste of time

[marsh osprey]

Sure…the 70 with the Krencha only hit me for 362 billion in one shot

[dusky osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-tis-but-a-scratch-gif-12051667

[zinc rune]

Thank you very much brothers 🙏🏻excellent games in the arena, I hope we meet again. 🙏🏻👍🏻

[fierce field]

This is hte kind of match up that demonstrates how broken the system is. That's absolutely ridiculous. There should never be an instance where you're facing an opponent that has a single player with more power than the entire team combined.

Also - does the system even consider rankings? I rarely, if ever, see player with my (low) ranking.

[fair creek]

you can communicate with your mates when accesing their profile from within a match ship/station scan

[fierce field]

There is a major problem in the leveling system in arenas. Please look at this behavior:

I play a lot. However, I'm considering dropping arenas. I played about 7 matches today. Lost 6, won 1. I quit playing this evening because I'm just about to rank down (again) and go from Gold IV to Silver. Since Public matches came out, I've lost about 90% of the matches I play. If I lose again, I'll get less credits per refine and I'll have less options of things to buy. That means that as I lose, I'm less able to do things to help me compete. Since the ranking system doesn't seem to consider rank, it's a downward spiral. I'll continue to get paired with massively larger and more powerful players and each time I rank down, I'll be less and less able to compete. It's a negative feedback loop.

We also need to examine the PvP primes and the Chaos/Forebidden tech. I get that Scopely needs to make money. It still can. However, without a F2P path for these things, people are going to quit and a smaller and smaller pool of players will play arenas. It's becoming a "pay only" feature since the system penalizes you for playing and keeps you from improving as you lose.

Here is what I'd suggest.

1. Eliminate losing rank after losing a match. Rank doesn't seem to matter in pairing but does in the store. Treat it like reputation except that you advance faster when you win.
2. Make the Tantulus and Quantum Slipstream available with a F2P path.
3. Create positive loops to get people to want to play Arenas so that they have opportunities to play with players who are actually similar in play style.
4. Never create a match between two teams where a player on one of the teams exceeds the power of the entire opposite team combined.

Much appreciated.

[digital geyser]

Another horrible match up

[steady bison]

I feel like I need to repost this for all the people complaining about getting match ups that are slightly outside their ability...

[trim crow]

@muted badger what kind of match up this?

Does the person who wrote the match up code even know how the power distribution works in stfc?

[dull crescent]

Arena matcj

[trim crow]

At least add a "give up" option in the game. With the speed caps we can't even run

[dull crescent]

Arena match..

[autumn mortar]

Even if you do get an almost even match, every other arena match crashes and causes a "connection error" reboot about halfway through. 🛜 ⁉️ Arena has worse stability this week than last.

[tepid quarry]

Feedback this week:

1. All of the problems before the arena hiatus are back. My ships are constantly freezing, got stuck in warp 2 times in 4 battles. Ship locations are rarely accurate.
2. The armada not starting bug is worse than before. Often I click start, the button goes grey, and about 10s later the "armada already started against this target" message pops up. Meanwhile, my ship gets destroyed because the UI is unresponsive.
3. There is a bug in the speed cap. I am running 3 ships that are above the speed cap, and in every battle I've seen someone moving dramatically faster than me or the other ships in the arena.
4. The matchmaking seems to be getting worse as the heavy PvP spenders have learned that gaming rank is the key. At my position, right now, I would see the most benefit by dropping back to silver intentionally, collecting currency, then actually putting in effort to get back to platinum.

[wicked tulip]

The lag on your response is apt feedback 🤣🤣🤣

[tepid quarry]

yea, but that was self-inflicted with an early "enter"

[wicked tulip]

Scopelys is also self inflicted 🙂

[tepid quarry]

so cool...

[lyric nacelle]

Had something similar with mine everyone was a 61-63 expect one guy that was 67

[tepid quarry]

It really doesn't matter, because ship position and the entire timing is totally broken this week. I just got blown up 1s after the armada started by a ship halfway across the system.

[signal temple]

That doesn't seem that bad to be honest.

[tepid quarry]

and sometimes you win...
This was a pub

[white sorrel]

You guys are just terrible at this.

[rigid void]

I emailed Scopely a while back about match making and the reply i got was our Arena ranking is a factor in match making.

[inner plover]

It used to consider ranking more stringent, but it appears that was relaxed to get more matches going.

[rigid void]

We've gotten some matches where we had the power advantage, it was nice to get some wins, but wasn't fair to the other team

and we all hate lost ranking and access to rewards as the losses pile up

[spice fjord]

Lawl you guys have a fake cuss word auto blocked. Wow.

[inner plover]

was actually the caps

[spice fjord]

That's nearly more dumb

🤷

[cyan void]

a 53 can still kill a 54, heck even a 50 could kill a 53 ship, i die to 50s with like almost everyprime, almost all the premium officers and their g4 epics are t 10 - 11

[spice fjord]

Add a quit option already. I have limited time to play this limited timed event and I can't be wasting 10 minutes a pop on matches I can't possibly win without paying.

[cyan void]

<@&509690795536941056>

[tepid quarry]

This would be the death of arenas, someone would quit every match they think they're going to lose. That's the point of not having one, it's a gamble. I'm not saying matchmaking is fun or rank is done correctly, but a forfeit button would truly kill the entire mechanic

[green forum]

Why is it arena rankings opponent of 30k to 45k facing group that have ranking of 6k

[wicked tulip]

Because nobody is playing… they need to fix rank in order for matchmaking to have a large enough pool to accurately work against.

I only saw five TOTAL public squads all day at my ops range lol

[tepid quarry]

Between the technical issues and the gamesmanship in matchmaking that the goes on it's a very discouraging mechanic for anyone that isn't spending to have the PvP META, creating a positive feedback loop that drives out casual players. Until they can recruit those players back into arenas the problems will only spiral.

[broken wagon]

Honestly this arena thing is awful. Its frustrating. I dont even want to play the game. Matching is terrible

[tepid quarry]

The best idea I've heard so far regarding the rank/matchmaking issue is to have a "practice" mode where there are no positive/negative rank rewards and decreased, but even payout in the tokens for both winners and losers. You can't move up, but you aren't penalized for a loss and you can still make progress in gaining the tokens, although at a slower rate.

[latent nova]

8 Disconnects in 1 arena match. Then 2 fine no problems, then another match with 8 disconnects.

[nimble geyser]

well i have to say this was absolutely unenjoyable tonight. always getting matched with groups that where the highest guy, may only be 2 levels above me, but his power is double mine, and i am the highest on the team. I admit i'm not a PVP guru, i'm in the middle, having it where one person can dictate the entire match, just turns it into a slog. It was better when it was 5 on 5, and the damage from one person could be mitigated.

[green forum]

Yeah game crashing in middle of arenas. Constant lag makes trying to win in arenas nearly impossible

[reef sapphire]

What is this matching?

[nimble geyser]

oh look the lvl 64 has more power than your entire squad.............that will be close

[plain aurora]

Arenafeedback...
matchmaking was 90% ok 1time not...
ops 49 open 45+me (53) in and opponent was 53 open + 49 and 56... that shouldnt be.... at end we win but dosnt care for the problem

the other match what is bit out of range 50/53/53
in the end the +4 to opener os reached...
the other matches was ok...
try to work a bit for more equal groups.
thx

[spice fjord]

Yeah cause the rest of the mechanics are making it run swimmingly.

You realize most people that know they're going to lose just, don't play the match anyway, right? So what's the big deal?

[tepid quarry]

There's a difference between forfeit and afk. If a forfeit option was added pre-match none would start, and nobody would get anything, just spend hours bouncing in and out of matchmaking. If it was after the match started people would join, start, forfeit, take their loss credits and repeat. Either way, the time it takes to lose, even if the whole team afk's is part of the cost. Without it there no motivation to even try.

[spice fjord]

Lol motivation to try what? Losing badly? Being forced to try and run, what was the count like, 60 losses in order to get max pulls for a week, the slow way? The only motivation to try in arena is winning in order to.... Wait for it.. play less. Instead we should take our limited timed event add in the limited time we may have to play in said event (tonight I had half an hour. 10 total minutes trying to group 20 minutes wasted in 2 matches I couldn't compete in). At least if I could have bailed on said matches I could have TRIED to fight more. Instead I stopped early and lost the event and any possible points.

[tepid quarry]

TANSTAAFL

[spice fjord]

Right. We can either pay the developers in order to win matches and therefore finish quickly, or don't pay in order to get trounced and waste a whole bunch of time in order to not actually get the points we need to possibly get ahead and enjoy the game at all..

Are you a developer? Because that's pretty much the only explanation for you throwing out that asinine statement.

[tepid quarry]

Yes, you get it, you either pay money or you pay time to progress. That's the way this game and all similar games work. You actually argued exactly my point, that you would have forfeited matches until you came across a match that you felt confident about winning. Now expand that to the whole player base. Outside the very rare edge cases where there's an even match with 6 people willing to roll the dice, nobody's going to actually enter the match on the prima facie losing team. That's why there can't be a forfeit button.

And no, I'm not a developer. I also did not make an asinine statement. It's my experience, that despite a big power imbalance, the majority of people still send out ships at the start and give an honest effort for at least the first couple minutes. If you're so dead-set against even trying, then find a nice group to AFK together or just ignore arenas all together. Either way, offer constructive criticism or find another venue to vent.

[spice fjord]

Something something it's like I'm talking to a wall. Peddle your wares elsewhere!

Having a quit button is probably the first or second most consistently asked for constructive criticism out in for arenas weekly. Just cause you don't like it doesn't make it not constructive

[nimble geyser]

Wild thought here, instead of having ppl join teams at all, just put a ready button out there, and then the game auto picks 6 ppl of the same level, or (horrors) within +- 1 level and then auto pick the teams, since the squads are a crap shoot anyway, this way they would be all on the same level. It would be like a box of chocolates..........you never know what your going to get.

[copper cave]

Arena matchmaking was terrible, got into a match where everyone was roughly 49-51 and one lvl 57 that just destroyed everyone on my team.

[gilded notch]

It's like y'all don't even read these......I missed arena again this week because you can't seem to extend it by a few more hours to accommodate late night players. Thanks for nothing scopely

[humble yoke]

Whaaat 💪
Great day of arenas

[toxic fiber]

Looks fair to me 😂

[inland cloud]

its broken 2 often sadly. The best chance you got is max spread for your own team. It reduces the chances to get wiped by higher OPS players.

[thorn thicket]

Today. I experienced in two matches:
Ships being stuck in warp needing to reboot twice.
Ships not registering position, needing to reboot.
Ship only able target to move around the map ( couldn't move to a free area due to some subspace issue).
Other than that had good matches most the time played.

[toxic fiber]

Who can spot what’s missing?

Lost because of this 💩

[torpid oyster]

You're the 66 who was playing with that big maxed 70, right?

Looking back, I think it was two huge 70s but one maxed on everything.

[tawdry sun]

Yeah, because they killed participation with the changes to squad banding and the impulse "fix". Revert those changes, and the matchmaking would improve again because player engagement would improve. Not that Scopely are listening.

[waxen star]

Or many have stopped pvping because it's pointless... when I can be attacked at level 54 by a level 70 in game it doesn't make me want to pvp ....

[tawdry sun]

That was always possible. It was just a lot less likely. Personally, I've never come across a massive discrepancy as that, I'm 56 and have never seen higher than a 64 in any of my matches, but yeah, they've killed participation, which in turn kills the balance of matchmaking, which makes participation fall further. It's a vicious cycle, and I'm stunned that no one at Scopely can see it, or that if they do, they don't care.

<@&509690795536941056> Scopely are killing arenas with all of their tinkering, yet don't seem to care. The only positive change made since it rolled out was the introduction of public squads, and that's very hit & miss. If you guys want arena to be successful, and have fewer people complaining about it, roll back the changes to the pre-christmas position. Please.

[sharp otter]

i stop playing arena's. its horrible another big failure of scamely

[kindred wagon]

Ppl will complain no matter what. The issue is the lack of player base particularly in the g6
Thought about not making it region only but open it worldwide?

Since public although glitches it's easier to find a match and start as a G5: player

[brave flare]

Scopely doesn't want to admit that their greed and poor quality are to blame for the fact that Arena will never be widely accepted. I hope they have lost a lot of money here. First they completely destroy the PVP system for the broad mass of players with countless PTW contents and constantly new PVP officers and then they are surprised that more and more people don't want to be screwed anymore. If you want to save Arena, make all PTW PvP content free for everyone.

[remote needle]

Its their "cure" to lags = less ppl online in arena, less lags 😄 😄 ....

[knotty lantern]

Its not really a surprise though. In the QA their manager stated "Rank is a prestige thing, and cosmetics are how you show that." So seeing the current terran store not even he does know whats going on, nor does he care 😅

[cyan void]

i think the officers arent that bad, just do waves and u can slowly get them. its the FTs and PVP range for me

[knotty obsidian]

the entire mechanic is already dead. Forfeit or no forfeit button, teams forfeit games. Its easy. you stop sending ships, turn off the game and go do something more worthwhile with your life for atleast the next 10 min. Now tell me, how exactly is this helping STFC maintain its playerbase?

[remote needle]

Funny thing is that THEY will NOT read these comments / opinions of THEIR fan base, they will on the contrary CLAIM, that ARENA is the MOST PLAYED and ENJOYED part of the game .... lying to their pants ... all of them. Ive lost hope in BEK as well

[silver halo]

We all know PvP in this game is a joke. Getting attacked by ships not even close to my ship is ridiculous. The ship tracking has never even worked when we are a couple grinding hostiles in the same system so how did you think it would work in arenas? Add to that glitches that makes it sometimes impossible to break off an enemy attack by attacking a survey. MATCH THE ARENA BY SHIP POWER! Nothing else matters in the arena since the speed cap.

[sharp terrace]

Sometimes it's fun to scroll through the messages and 🤣 🤣 🤣 at the ppl 😡 😡 😡 about matching when they clearly don't understand it and seemingly lack the interest and/or ability to try.
Also the claims like "most ppl have quit doing it", "nobody likes it", "lots of ppl are quitting the game" etc. The numbers get published to show how many ppl are playing the game, and how many are playing events like arenas.
What is helpful is clear and direct feedback like getting stuck in warp, lag, rubber-banding, losing targeting, etc.

[idle gale]

https://tenor.com/view/dick-brick-must-resist-gif-12041559

[idle gale]

The quintessential arena experience

[celest shoal]

The original post I made was me saying as much as I like Arenas, that since I barely made gold 3 last week thereby unlocking a daily drip of Premium dust , logically I can't see participating until I've used up my Uncommon credits to pull that daily drip (roughly 3 weeks) ... for fear of going on a streak of being on the wrong side of the BORKED matchmaking. The other person responding to me was going on how matchmaking was not borked and worked just fine. That is why I gave the example of the screenshot of someone's matchup they just had. No you can say how matchmaking is supposed to be working.... but it's not . As I said before teams NOT knowing the outcome of a match before the match even starts is the exception NOT the rule..

[inland cloud]

IMHO the only people saying that matchmaking works fine are those who either

• bought themselfes bigger than others
• hide behind a teammate who do the fighting for them
• Are <= OPS 60 and max. the possible OPS spread
• Team with low Rank-players for a better matchmaking
• are not Gold 1 or higher

In general Matchmaking has several issues and imbalances. Scopely expected that this will settle over time when ranks are set. My personal opinion is that the aspect of "motivating people to buy pvp stuff" leads to the most issues.

[silver halo]

Ship power combined with FT, CT, Officers is everything. I am good at pvp but since i do not spend i lack some pvp stuff. FT, CT, Officers and maxed ships since i cant get the stupid rare ship parts...

[sharp terrace]

You forgot:

• understand how matching works
• appreciate that there are stages where ship/ops/other give a bigger advantage over the previous level
• try to learn from losses to improve their gameplay
  😂

[kindred wagon]

Personally I'm happy for ppl to forfeit as I'm after maximising my terran credit. If they give up, it's 5 mins work

[uneven wing]

#969176337698926632 message
this is from that match.
research is also a big factor.
no pvp CT on my ship.
I tossed around a lot of ships that had tantalus & q cannon yesterday.

[golden mortar]

Went 13 and 3 last night in Arenas. It was another fun time. A few less than ideal matchups but overall not bad. Lag was an issue in a few. Now time to get the buckets out…..

[kindred wagon]

Arenas are not built for pve ppl lol

We all make choices and I'm happy for you to not take part

[surreal topaz]

Don't tell me matching "Works" when you have a ops 57,58,59 facing off against an ops 57,60,64.
That 64 had more power in a single ship than every ship we could field at once.

[kindred wagon]

You can beat higher ops

[surreal topaz]

Sometimes, yes. I have done it. But you cannot beat a team whose ships you cannot defeat at all unless they are incompetent.
Of COURSE you can beat people who don't know what they are doing regardless of lvl.

[kindred wagon]

I lose to and happy when I do. It's part of the game

He had a maxed ent d and 63uc ship

Just not a PvP guy

[surreal topaz]

Pfft. Losing a good fight is one thing. Being pitted against ships you should never have to face is quite another.
And again, yeah, you CAN beat stronger players - if they don't know what they are doing.

[kindred wagon]

Anyway I'm sitting on 8 weeks pull. Good for a while

[kindred wagon]

Your asking for trouble creating a team of ,57 58 59

Shows you lack of understanding of matching mechanics

[inland cloud]

proud of "your" work while hiding behind your teammate who pays the bill 🤣 .
What a Stereotype -and of course OPS 60 lol

[kindred wagon]

I would agree it's totally unfair mstch up but you run the risk with that team

[golden mortar]

Why do you even play? You don’t seem to like the game. There is always parsteel for you to mine. You seem to be able to add nothing here, or in game either except negativity. There are easier games for you to try out. Ever give solitaire a shot?

[kindred wagon]

I think the issue with some is although they don't want to PvP, they want the goodies. Best of both worlds

And there are some that want to PvP but want a level playing field. But unfortunately they need to get to reality

[inland cloud]

Its your attitude that needs balancing first. Talking big about yourself while talking others down shows a lack of respect and maybe some weaknesses you could really work on...

I'm OPS 64, Gold 2 in Arena but I personally think this game had better times where friends had time to play together and develop without spammed events and p2w pushing.
Stopping this negative trend would be good.

[inland cloud]

It's just rational:

I want the goodies so I have to play Arena and I don't see the point in paying a lot of money to be better than others in a badly made PVP arena

I see people investing more than 100K just to be at the top in this game - not healthy at all in my opinion

It's my decision not to participate in that race while still being ambitious and try to opt out things in games.
But I prefer to invest my money in real life stuff instead of burning it to be the best.

Ain't got no problem if others do but if a game trends in this direction (started when savvy group took over scopely) it becomes a issue for the player base and you can see the effects here.

Getting teamed vs OPS70 in Arena or sourcing officers in the OPS61+ SLB where only top 15 gets rewards is also not a motivation to spend as it's not reachable within a few adjustments. Reduced spread might lead to more avg. spenders.

At the current state it's obvious for me that spending a bit wont give me enough and spending big would be irrational.

[golden mortar]

My attitude is fine. Im not the one on here being negative about everyting....the game, arenas, spenders, fairness....as you do. Thats in fact all you do. While I understand that a profession victim like yourself, cannot stand anyone here who doesn't jump on the doomsday wagon like as you do.....that doesn't change the fact that while you may not be good at this feature or like it at all....myself an others do. The fact that you keep bringing spending as the reason some folks win, and you lose, is just another sign of how you look at things. You must be a really weak 64 to laugh at my ops 60 success and accuse me of hiding behind my team. Once again there is always mining Monday for you. Have at it.

[devout idol]

I would like to see a post-match summary after the arenas, so we can see details like who contributed how, PvP win ratio for the duration of the match, etc. I feel like it would be a good fit for the "reports" tab, which seems mostly useless at the moment.

[inland cloud]

You are the one thinking of being better than everyone else and blame me for giving feedback in a feedback channel.

I am not sure that you understood what Feedback and discussion is about and you only go personal or tap yourself on your own shoulders while feeling and talking big. If it helps you to feel better, just carry on and praise your own success but stop attacking people who are not in your opinion.

And yes - OPS 60 is the last camping spot and a spot where you can dominate the players in your bracket as only 60+ have access to G5 Epic Ships.

You try to outsmart others and in Arena you have a spender in your team who does the work for you. Doesn't change the fact that balancing and matchmaking is still bad as Arena is designed for spenders and parasites profiteers.

[golden mortar]

You have excuses for everything. Par for the course. That mining SLB is still open.... hope you score well.

[thorn thicket]

Went 11 and 1. The team I lost to had about equal to everything with ships, crews etc just happen to run more juice and my partners didn't. Im finding lots of folks my power lately playing the spread and it's fun to face them and then talk about the fight after. Even with the losses I look forward to facing them again.

[inland cloud]

Someone who feels better about themselves by putting others down is often called a bully, a put-down or a bully. Terms such as weakling or insecure could also be used to indicate the underlying insecurity or low self-esteem of this person, which they try to compensate for by belittling others. In psychology, such people could also be described as narcissistic personalities or social aggressors.

[inner plover]

All right, that is enough.

[surreal topaz]

Oh shut up.
People like you making excuses for Scopely's incompetence is disgusting.
That was a SINGLE example of how badly Scopely matchmaking is.
I also have a 54, 54, 58 that faced off against a 59, 60 and 62.
There is no excuse whatsoever for matches like that.

Matchmaking should be easy.
Just make sure that no squad faces any ships it cannot field.
Simple.
If someone has a stronger ship than yours - yay for them.
But, in no world should you be facing a ship that nobody in your squad can possibly build at their ops level.

[thorn thicket]

It's not impossible to defeat ships you can't build yet.

[golden mortar]

Yeah sure. I went back and searched through some of your posts. Cronic complainer and victim. Try and have a good day.....maybe put the game down and find another less stressful hobby for you. Maybe one you will enjoy.

[inland cloud]

look at your posts praising your self. High Tone by name low beep in real life. blocking you now as you have nothing to say while you speak a lot.

[inner plover]

ENOUGH

[surreal topaz]

No one said it is impossible. I have done it plenty of times.
However, it is TERRIBLE matchmaking.
Scopely makes it complicated, frustrating and makes people angry with their crap on a regular basis.
None of that is necessary.
Just tier it by who can build what ships by ops.
We all know what the tiers are, we all accept them as the real places where power changes.
Coding it would be EXTREMELY easy.

[silver halo]

I do not expect Scopely to be able to factor in paid items but Matching according to ship power would be easy. At least it would prohibit meeting ships many times bigger than anyone in your squad has.

[teal grail]

Interference problem, unable to move the ship unless you attack a target.

I tried to reboot and clear localisation but it didn’t work.

Happened in only 1 match out of 17.

[devout idol]

better matches means less matches, this is a balancing act to get you to play within a reasonable amount of time

[golden mortar]

I appluad your attitude towards it. Refreshing to hear in this pit of self-created misery and despair we call discord.

[toxic fiber]

Yeah, one was a super whale for sure. He had a couple ships over 100B. The other was a newish ops 70. We probably won 2/3 of matches. Lost to a bunch of groups with three 70’s. *shrug

[glossy cobalt]

Not a kill but close enough. I seen plenty weaker ships take down bigger ships than them. Im not even a spender. I dont have q cannon or tantalus field, never bought a ship. I buy the 20£ bp and bought a few things like the whip. The rest is a lot of camping and taking advantage of you being the best in your ops bracket.

[golden mortar]

I agree. But be careful with statements like these around here. Professional victims will come at you about fairness 🤣

[earnest pulsar]

Question: what gives somebody #1 rank for arenas when they're are multiple 65,000 ratings?

[uneven wing]

seemingly random, same as any other leaderboard tie

[inner plover]

Have seen someone jump straight to 1st with their max out, and then the next guy on their team ended up in like 5th behind the others

Some say it's the last to score, but have seen that not to be the case and it does appear to be truly random

[uneven wing]

with arena ranking that's for sure not the case; I dip in and out of 65k a few times most Mondays & it never puts me at the top

[inner plover]

yeah, been seeing guys jump around a lot

[inland cloud]

That's a good one.

That crew belongs on a Interceptor fighting a battleship not on a explorer.
Early Minerva is weak in PVP for several reasons (fire pattern, dmg output, below deck slots) and therefore always a good target 😄

[surreal topaz]

That has no bearing on my comment. I have taken those down too - yay for me. I can boast about my martial prowess. 🙄
If you WANT to face ships that far above your ops level, you can join a squad with someone of the appropriate ops level to make it happen. (In a sane world)
The rest of us are held hostage by Scopely's inability to do reasonable banding in Arenas and keep facing ships that are completely nuts.
I can be the best ops in my bracket just fine - until the baboons that coded the arena matchmaking decide that I should face whales 6 ops levels above me and with max officers, FT, CT, and ships stronger than everything I can field at once.
There is no excuse for that.

[glossy cobalt]

I think it does. I made an arena as a 54 and faced bigger ships than me and even though i was outclassed most cases i could still kill some of them. If you want to face people your level you will need to join somebody who is 4 levels below you. So if you are 50 join a 46 and your chances of getting into a match with a 53 is lower. Sure match making isnt the best but i dont think its that easy to make it work properly. Im just happy public arenas are a thing now and that its working somewhat good. You cant win them all my friend. Just chill and focus on being the best at your ops lvl. I have camped always, 42,46,53 and it has always worked for me being the best in the whole game and i never really faced any problems in arenas because i was ready.

[unique isle]

Can we have a delay to stop match making as soon as final person sets to ready so I have a chance to boot them if necessary? Three times this week some massively underpowered for their ops level clown has joined and has been absolutely useless!

[halcyon imp]

isn't that what the ready button is for?
as host you wait with hitting the ready button until you've done a quick check to see if your team mates are acceptable.

[lilac lichen]

I was out of town for work - fully missed arenas for the third time 😭

[reef sapphire]

But also power is not a good indicator of how strong a player ship is

[unique isle]

When they are an Ops 45 with 30m power….they can get in the sea.

[toxic fjord]

Arena has improved dramatically. It is less glitchy. Opens squads has been wonderful. More teams means better maatches with less wait time. thanks 🙂

[golden mortar]

I agree. It has been better in that aspect these last two weeks.

[blissful knot]

This is sarcasm isn’t it !!

[ripe ingot]

second time

[glacial junco]

The disconnect issue that happens on repeat whenever you try to mnove a ship is seriously annoying.

More crippling than lag and tracking issues.

[strange wing]

Looks like a perfect match up to me 🤦

[silver mauve]

I only experience lag or connection issues later in the evening. It's important to record your time of day so that such issues can be pinpointed more accurately.

[alpine orbit]

<@&509690795536941056> showing me having 3 players in public squad, but 70 ops base nowhere to be seen.... and loading times are INSANE. Arena is getting steadily worse every week and you guys seem to be just ignoring it entirely now

[chilly badger]

I wanted to give it a try after 8 weeks not doing Arena, pointless, couldn't attend any. I'm done with the event.

[sharp terrace]

1st arena today...
killed a cruiser, started an armada.. ok
countdown ran ... 0 ... 0 ... 0 ... 0 ... 0 ... ship in battle after about 20 seconds ... ship destroyed by other team (armada target not destroyed, was apparently attacked before the 10 seconds mark)
other ship not responding ... wait a bit ... status changed to 'destroyed'
that's some bad lag

[limber cloak]

-600 pts for a loss?

[bleak stratus]

Oopsie! Unknown command, buddy! Try using a valid one, or I'll get reeeal frustrated! Hehe!

[limber cloak]

How is it -600 for losing?

[alpine orbit]

I get -1000 for losing... it depends on your rank

[candid fiber]

public squad refresh is terrible, same squad showing after multiple refreshes, even though it shows on2 member, when you click join it just errors as "full". refresh its still there

[limber cloak]

😂😂😂stfc where fun goes to die horribly.... since relaunch I've rebounded between 2 ranks.... no progression, just regression and then battling to get back up.

[jagged obsidian]

Reasonable match, all glory to scopely

[steep slate]

Anyone getting any issues with Lag, I had to close down my game and restart it 5 times in 1 match

[limber cloak]

Ships stuck in warp, usual lag and commands not responding. Just the same as usual for me. Visual lag as well

[odd bough]

@gritty cobalt please change the arena progression similiar to the alliance tournaments. Plesse change the wins/lose to not lose points. Even if you only made it where you progress off a win, players could still slowly level up. It breaks the gameplay, fun and enjoyment when you will only always stay at the lowest level and can't progress and can't get the much needed items. Arena is doa without some form of advancement. And please open it to more than 8 hours a week for a weekly grind.

[median root]

still not fun

[main wave]

+-2lvl bracked? 🤣

[woven lake]

What is wrong again with your arena? What changes did you make, its worse again, it was ok, the last 2 times, but now? wtf
Ships beaming over the map, no ship is there where it is shown

[fair creek]

https://tenor.com/view/look-gif-15512833354960996075

[knotty minnow]

@muted badger really a company of clowns

[silver nebula]

did arena break again? stuck in matching since 5 minutes...

[knotty minnow]

it's only to be expected. they're a bunch of incompetents who can't do anything. and they only care about players who pull out a fat credit card. nothing but a bunch of cheats, that's all they are

I'm surprised that they haven't already been sued a million times over

[ionic radish]

Just ridiculous, will stop playing arena until the matchmaking will be fair (same ops level for the biggest players from both squads)

[knotty minnow]

they will never change anything because they don't care. the only thing that matters is who gets the credit card out often enough

the only thing they can do is say we have great new content but nothing works

and the next nonsense follows immediately

[cyan bear]

I was just in an arena UC armada, ship was in just fine. It got to 0 and just failed/dissolved. W the actual?? It should have run and it cost us points.

[sturdy rose]

arena lag is terrible

[cyan bear]

One of our guys also got kicked out of the game 5 times in a row

[unique isle]

Beyond tired of joining squads where the leader is afk and not moving to ready, but me and the other player are.

[knotty minnow]

the next joke

it gets better and better. you get the feeling that everything is manipulated

[sturdy rose]

arena unplayable

ships jumping around in system

[knotty minnow]

nobody from scopley is interested anyway

[candid fiber]

restarted 3 times and this happened as I leave checking the squad members everytime

[quasi jewel]

absolutely useless, about time to scrap this. unplayable, unfair, and freezes, lag. wont bother trying again and that is from a 66 player

[prime glen]

This bug is so annoying.

[topaz pier]

arena is so broken... loosing connection on every second battle, ships disapearing after restart, no fun at all

[knotty minnow]

yes you are only led behind the scenes here....that was the last arena for me...let them shove it up their asses

[sharp otter]

Pffffff stil not working 2/3 want to join squad is full fix it scamely

[obtuse island]

Scopley need to really do something about timing out afk hosts, punt em from the matchmaking queue after 5 minutes or something

[neon heart]

That would require scopely to care about arenas

[sage shuttle]

Guys and gals, Arenas is fixed, it's as good as it's gonna get. Scopely have given up on Arenas.
Onwards and upwards to the next mechanic that won't work on day one, still won't work properly after 3 months, and Scopely will then give up on that too.
Same as it ever was, six years and counting 🤣

[tiny dagger]

The amount of times the arena screen breaks is a joke, how does it keep happening

[rocky crypt]

What is the stupid pop-up about canceling an armada as you try to move a ship away from an attacker?!