💣-arena-feedback

[tough birch]

Quick and easy solution to a lot of the frustration by players - remove the rank loss if you lose!! People will be happier and give you more leeway if they try it and have a bad experience if they’re not going to be penalised for it!

[edgy orchid]

just remove arena altogether.. move the favours to dti store

and call it quits

[fair creek]

i like the exborg faction store, saves me much time on grind xD

[gritty cobalt]

hey hey hey I get you....it can feel like some actions are taken just to calm things down but we're genuinely pushing your feedback to improve things and other issues 🫂

[fickle niche]

well technically none of the fixes done during the 4 week arena cancellation have actually been implemented in today's run. it's in the Q&A blog post of Arena's returning

today's run is just to make you angry

[edgy orchid]

no u dont.. every feature u add is mostly to appease whales. the rest get scraps and be cannon fodder.

[dusky osprey]

So so far in separate matches

1)crashed on entry requiring restart
2) got stuck in prep requiring a restart
3) one complete lagfest, battles not starting hostile and PvP/ ships rubber banding all over the place
4) the matchmaking is still very up and down

All in all I think the overall performance is actually worse than before

And it's still at a stupid time and for a huge amount of players won't be able to participate at all

[edgy orchid]

im sure the vip discord gets their voice heard

[magic pawn]

that's me out of arena then! Scopely, can you go back to just granting us comp chest??

[wary roost]

It’s part of a wider issue where the devs themselves don’t understand the mechanics of the game. Look at the recent build SMS that ran for a month and no one hit the first milestone. If you look at the account used in their testing on the blog post it had something like a trillion lat so likely has all sorts that isn’t representative of a real player or server. It’s so disjointed with the real game

[inner plover]

They're expressing the same sentiments that are being expressed here.

[fickle niche]

yes. they get an extra comp chest.

[inner plover]

There's plenty of things to gripe about without making things up

[weak heron]

https://tenor.com/view/sacha-baron-cohen-great-success-yay-gif-4185058

[edgy orchid]

they proib used that account to see how g6 speeding up costs where lol .. and then decided not to add extra lat income to G6 to make it whale exclusive if u want to progress at all.

[gritty cobalt]

extra what? huh

[gloomy rover]

Arena needs to open server wide like waves, restricting it to alliance players only makes it impossible to find team.

Also 2pm UK start time is very bad, most players in work till 5pm and don’t have time to play till about 9pm less then an hour before arena ends

[robust bobcat]

Even beks didn’t want to appear on screen to try and sell this, they had to get someone else and applied the Klingon look to protect his identity 🤣

[fickle niche]

i have seen whales getting comped for not able participate in arenas for whatever reasons

[wary roost]

Actually at G6 I found that I get a decent amount of lat per week without spending

[weak heron]

We got comped. In the loosest terms…

[edgy orchid]

u get the same amount of lat as in g5 or g4

[storm vine]

ok...

[wary roost]

I can get 250k lat doing a faction mission… didn’t get that in G4 or 5

[edgy orchid]

speedups werent that expensive either in g4 or g5

[grizzled arrow]

While I'm by no means a fan of the quality being delivered, basing your argument over 1 screenshot in a separate environment thinking that's 100% of how testing goes, then you're unwilling to ever be wrong.
You could be right of course, but we lack the information to know that for sure. So you might as well be saying all the devs are purple striped unicorns.

[coral onyx]

The overflow battle pass event is giving me 1m Lat at ops 61

[robust bobcat]

I just want another way to source vindicator bps and I can ignore this entire disaster, but having a ship locked behind this nightmare screams of incompetence I’m afraid

[short canopy]

ugh. movement of other ships in arenas is even more screwedup.. same as the cube in waves. their icon is on the left edge, but actually killing stuff on the right side..

[edgy orchid]

congrats.. and u still cant speed up much with it

[willow mantle]

Wow that really helps when spending 300-400m lat in a day, you must be low G6. 😅

[fickle niche]

lmao, i am getting the same at 53. you're being suckered

[tawdry mantle]

Working as intended

[fair creek]

guys, keep the chat free for arena complains 🍿 🤪

[wary roost]

I haven’t seen any around me spending that per day 😂

[hardy wedge]

Matchmaking 😂

[wary roost]

Assume you’re getting 30ish mil from the treasury too?

[fickle niche]

yes

[edgy orchid]

ops 70 prob did ;p no way they were waiting out those timers

[low otter]

your average ops is very close. it's working as intended. they are just gaming it

[hardy wedge]

But the power is rediculously different, not mentioning their rating

[wary roost]

Weird as at ops 59 I was getting 13 mil from treasury

[edgy orchid]

well that already breaks arena. that ops 64 is unkillable for any in that other matchup

[coral onyx]

I was referring to the last milestone

[turbid wadi]

players at the higher ranges are already depending on specific situations going to have it much easier to win due to the lopsided cheesing method we see going. I understand longer wait times to enter a match can be frustrating but at least then its fair for everyone not just fair to players who cheese a big whale to help carry them along essentially.

[inner plover]

keep the discussion on the subject of arenas

[fickle niche]

aah, so 2mil, then it's fine

[weak heron]

Yeah, I was about to say have we not got a big enough dumpster fire in arenas to keep it on topic? 🤣

[edgy orchid]

whats the point. same situation next week prob. and the week after that

all these discussions were done at the first time it was launched

did they listen ? no

[wary roost]

Yeah sorry I was going OT too lol

[weak heron]

Bagsy not logging on for the Americans getting angry at this.

[low otter]

i agree. their matchmaking calculation isn't the best, but it appears to be a known quantity at the moment

[grizzled arrow]

HD got his favour and poking the bears here 😉

[weak heron]

I did not and I’ve destroyed three motorhomes and a yacht over it already

Comp was offensively bad

[coral onyx]

I'm an hour and a half into arenas and haven't been able to get a team to start one.

[weak heron]

The only thing you’re missing is the crushing disappointment of realising just how badly you were comped.

[gloomy rover]

They have to have a team first…. 90 mins I’ve been waiting, in an alliance of 92 and no one joining as majority working the time arena starts is way to early. Need to open teams server wide not restrict to alliance only

[fair creek]

yeah, about ridiculous prices... 🤪

[weak heron]

Hey, at least you got more credits than me

[edgy orchid]

dont have to worry bouyt g6 unless u reach gold anyway

[fickle niche]

most players are at work. this isnt a game for jobless teenagers.

[edgy orchid]

😛

[weak heron]

And yet it asks the engagement on a par with a jobless teenager 🤣

[coral onyx]

Oh how I wish I was still a teenager. I'm a few decades past that

[fair creek]

i dont think thats true 😅 my vindicator only need 25 more days ^^

[edgy orchid]

a point that was raised at the start of arenas .. and yet it flew into the void

[high socket]

No, it’s a game for shiftless trust fund babies or people who live off passive income.

[edgy orchid]

right over scopelies head

[novel haven]

<@&509690795536941056> @muted badger @gritty cobalt 👆

[hardy wedge]

At least it's g5

[coral onyx]

For those that have teams playing, have you tried a restart between matches. I found that did help lag issues before and wondering if we are suffering client memory leaks

[edgy orchid]

except for the 63 then ..

[fair creek]

wait 2 more hours and restarting wont be helpful anymore ^^

[grizzled arrow]

I get off work in 2 hours
RIP

[robust bobcat]

It would also need opening to the server to ensure that everyone can be in a match making situation, if you only have two players in the banding you are screwed!

[fair creek]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-i-said-armand-zarkarian-ken-davitian-cobra-kai-i-said-that-gif-18545136

[coral onyx]

Even at the moment with 7+- it's is hard to form a team. 2+- will be impossible, Also remember the original restriction prevented many ops 70 players from being able to play. (not saying I'm anywhere near a 70, Ops 61 here)

[hardy wedge]

I'm killed in a few seconds, because of us g5 are paired with g6 player. No need to restart 🤷‍♂️😂

[storm vine]

3rd in a row was okay...

[clear talon]

Matchmaking should take into account not OPS average only but also top player OPS, having same average like 59/59/59 and 50/57/63 does not work as the 63 has a different kind of ships that can crash the whole party and create imbalance.

[wary roost]

That announcement though

[storm vine]

ok, thats a one, which should never happen!

[hardy wedge]

3rd one

[robust bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/locked-in-new-girl-break-out-trying-to-open-locked-gif-12364295

The problem is the door says pull

[copper helm]

They have fixed the arena….a group ops 54-57 started by a ops54 against ops 63 player….very realistic chance to win👍🏼😂

[fickle niche]

#💣-arena-feedback message

[copper helm]

So please just give me the compensation chest and keep this stupid arena and all the fixes for the fixes.

[random edge]

so if they didnt fix matchmaking (because that is coming soon to a theatre near you) and they didn't fix lag or bugs or the need to reboot 3 times per match... then what did they fix? and why did they bring this steaming pile back now? why not hold off until more was fixed?

[knotty lantern]

1. Introduce a pve grind for arena to do daily pulls (1 chest per day would be enough, more could be aquiered through pvp in arena)
2. Remove ranking requirements for pve stuff in shop (only rep matters) and rep requirements for pvp stuff (only ranking matters)

[magic pawn]

Maybe scopely should prevent G6 players to match with G5

The difference of ships power make it senseless

[random edge]

where would the fun in that be! ;0

[magic pawn]

depends on what side you are😂

[errant forge]

lol @ Arena matchmaking

[astral pebble]

Improved matchmaking, they said...

[edgy orchid]

dont forget the 13 ops levels of unlocked research either ;P

[random edge]

actualy they said they DID NOT improve matchmaking for the Jan 20th run.. and that it would be refined in the future.

[turbid wadi]

well if we go by what was said they did seem to fix lag for a smaller groip of testers on a test server ehich doesnt equate to how many of us across all the servers play on the game at any minute of the day. As for the needing to reset multiple times well tbh that never should have to happen in the first place but again the problem seems that when they try to do fix's on their end they have no true way to test if it works until they release it to the 100k's of stfc players then we get these issues confirmed to have not been fixed. Might need to rethink on how many people are in that test server so that when things are "fixed" we can actually have a fixed piece of content. I'm sure there's players out there that may take time out of their schedule to help with this is only asked next time your doing fixes in test environments.

[tired raven]

few issues at the moment, ships getting stuck in 'warp', having to restart to send it out again, sending ships to armadas, but ship not arriving, countdown finishing, while ship is idle, killing hostiles, and not always getting directives.

[edgy orchid]

why? having trouble with 10b+ ships that u cant kill ? :X

[random edge]

https://tenor.com/view/crystal-ball-fortune-teller-betty-white-kristallkugel-scry-gif-14476814061803762053

[magic pawn]

in other word : in 10 to 150 years

[edgy orchid]

scopely kinda knew G6 was gonna stomp on g5 so hard in arena and yet nothing is done .

[coral onyx]

First play. No obvious lag, too a while to match. Teams evenly ops matched - even if we lost. Restarted the client before entering. Was running a speed crew on NSEA.

Team now disbanded as the other got disheartened by players running tantalus field.

[edgy orchid]

but they basically didnt address anything then ?

[random edge]

They FIXED lag!!! hehe

[edgy orchid]

no they didnt

[wary roost]

Maybe it meant it’ll now lag at a fixed rate

[edgy orchid]

the challenge soon is going to have to motivate ppl to use this function while its just a general waste of time when u have to afk to get pts since u cant do anything anyway

[coral onyx]

We already have that issue

[random edge]

but Luke said they made improvements in the Q&A! so it must be true!

[edgy orchid]

the Q&A is a waste of time also. scopely lies to our face and the results we see every arc

[fair creek]

they announced that they see the problem now and started to work on it, big difference ^^

[edgy orchid]

but the problem was there at the start too.. all of the problems.

[wary roost]

Meanwhile, Luke is busy cracking on

[hardy wedge]

Wow, and I thought mine was bad. That's terrible 🙈

[random edge]

no no! Scopley are very honest and trustworthy!

[edgy orchid]

wonder how they are still in business with the false advertisements too

[wary roost]

Because egos

[coral onyx]

They actually explained what they have changed, which is a server side bottle neck the system had when sending updated to the clients (us). They have moved away from a timer based system to a more realtime messaging system. This will improve things, however there are other issues causing "lag". Other issues could be client memory leaking - restarting you client before entering will help with that - not ideal. There are also other issues that are likely to be causing issues server side, they said there was lots of legacy code that still needs to be rewritten.

The only way to know how much impact the initial changes make was to get another live test - what we are playing now

[random edge]

a 1.1 out of 5 score (on over 300 reviews) on trustpilot tells you everything you need to know about this company

[edgy orchid]

the memory leak that has been there for years ? thats bad coding somewhere

and still not fixed obviously lol

[sage brook]

Up until today I never missed an Arena and always did my 8400 loot.
This time however I just give up, it is not enjoyable (it was not great before, but it was playable for rewards). The lags / delays are just destroying any strategy for armadas with moving around and intercepting ships, ships stuck in battle for 10s+ also do not help and guess where the enemy cube is because it is certainly not where client shows it
There seems to be new server side delay, like you click the ship to go somewhere (for example attack other ship) and when those 2 ships somehow happen to arrive to same place (it is no longer possible to intercept them mid flight) and then full stop, nothing happens for 1s no matter if you click somewhere or not, and then something happens (ships fight for example). I guess the delay is caused by some action queue they might have implemented, but it completely destroyed reactive play.

[random edge]

they should have kept the comp going so people could opt out, and let those who are brave and have tons of time to waste, loadtest their changes

[edgy orchid]

and guess they need to get started on that legacy code then instead of dunking new code every arc

[robust bobcat]

Well some of us are playing, I’m still waiting for 2 more players to join, based on history it is. It going to happen, they will have read this page and given up before starting

[edgy orchid]

and loadtest on a test server

not on production... with arena packs stiull in the store

[random edge]

well that would be a brilliant idea, I wonder why they didn't do that lol

[coral onyx]

Well there is always a chance that @gritty cobalt can push for a continuation of the comp based on what we are seeing

[coral onyx]

Got 1 match in before the others gave up (and it was a loss)

[robust bobcat]

I doubt it, that would be the right thing to do

[random edge]

yup, our CM's are great and seem like the only ones trying to help us.. but it is sad that the devs or arc runners or whomever is in charge can't come up with these kind of ideas themselves.. they are too busy counting their money I guess

[wary roost]

For a live test which is what this is, they could have removed ranking relegation for a week. With that gone I’d play it all day and they can get all the data they need. Absolutely not risking it in its current format though

[random edge]

more great ideas! I wonder why Scopley can't seem to come up with great ideas! but thankfully they always listen our our good ideas and implement them! so we are saved!

[fair creek]

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-sheldon-cooper-sarcasm-was-that-sarcasm-gif-14133635636385984880

[coral onyx]

I suspect the devs took all the arena downtime to write the async messaging code and remove the messaging from the timer, the fact it is working that's pretty good turnaround. They did say they ran load testing on the arena server but there is only so much a set of test harnesses will do compared to real play.

[weak heron]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-so-butters-stotch-south-park-s5e3-cripple-fight-gif-22139083

[edgy orchid]

not buying it.. not a single performance increase is seen. its all the bugs and laggyness we had from version 1

[tawdry sun]

<@&509690795536941056> Have to say I've very disappointed in the results of the 4 weeks without Arena. While not perfect, it was a much more stable experience for me (and most people feel the same apparently). Whatever "fixes" the team have put in to improve things don't seem to have been effective. But please don't take it away for another 4 weeks to fix the problems again. I'd much rather have weekly incremental changes that the team can evaluate the effectiveness of, and at least give those of us willing to put up with the issues the chance to maximise our progression, rather than then pitiful amount of compensation credits we had for a month

[wary slate]

<@&509690795536941056> so, run an armada and its shows 0 timer once finished and try to change ships in prep, shows psychedelic repeated shots of your ships. lagg and other previous issues still persist. its just got worse since the fix. I wouldn't recommend anyone with flashing image issues plays.

[hazy comet]

Biggest pile of 💩 ever. Why do you put players who only have G5* ships against players who have G6* ships.

If you were supposed to fix it why is the matchmaking so bad on relaunch day!

[coral onyx]

We will have to see what they come up with next. You can guarentee there will be monitoring and logging in place. Fixing 1 source of lag is not going to be the total solution..

[edgy orchid]

judging how they fixed the other bugs i doubt they will be able too.. they just lacking a good dev team it seems

[gritty cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/flipping-through-notes-tiger-king-checking-notes-reviewing-cramming-gif-24216267

[edgy orchid]

still waiting on a working kir shara artifact

[wary roost]

Still think it’s disgusting that people that paid for it have been completely forgotten about

[wary roost]

Any comp needs to include ranking as otherwise it’s pointless

[alpine orbit]

if we are going back to no arenas and comp chest, please make it 8.4k a week so we can do triples pulls, and some ranking would be nice

[errant forge]

so what scopay ACTUALLY do for 3 weeks 🤣

[gritty cobalt]

I'll bring it up!

[edgy orchid]

design the pay 2 participate events for next arc prob

think arena needs to be scrapped altogether.. the servers simply cannoit handle it or the devs cant code it.

[alpine lagoon]

Can it also be 8400 credits as well, many people are mad that they're getting punished for not being able to do the content. We should be getting full pulls for the week and not this crap where a g4 player gets less credits than a g5

[random edge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-compensation-pay-me-compensate-me-reimburse-me-reimbursement-gif-10654966330025955928

[astral pebble]

the funniest thing is that they never showed up in the arena 😂

[olive harness]

Unplayable still...

[tacit tendon]

Ah arenas are back....explains the lag 😂

[tawdry oak]

https://tenor.com/view/great-work-everyone-corridor-crew-good-job-guys-gif-5262209012629131609

Scopely Dev(S) after they did Fix the Arena Bugs sarcasm Mode off

[wispy vector]

Whatever adjustments you made to arena matchmaking, it's a complete reversal of previous improvements where it was almost impossible to face people with ships two steps ahead of you. Will only lead to us not playing it any longer since this is just unbeatable except for the occasional really bad team. Borg cube movement still bugs like outside of arena where you see it somewhere not moving while in reality it could be anywhere else. @gritty cobalt

[robust bobcat]

Thinking up a new arc where they will brand it as a celebration of a ship and show and then create all the content that doesn’t actually need that ship to do any of it…… oh hang on they’ve done that already

[cunning swift]

With Arenas still being so buggy they should remove the ranking loss, getting to Gold 1 is going to take forever and I had 3 losses today that were caused by bugs such as being able to be attacked in the 10 second timer for armadas and not being able to target ships.

[blazing epoch]

Arena was DOA when it launched. I'm not sure why they keep throwing resources at it but it must be part of their plans for a bigger event in the future.

Kind of like how XSLBs were introduced as part of a way to test if incursions leaderboards could work before they were released.

[edgy orchid]

well guess we can conclude the feedback with that scopely did what it always does and that is deliver horrible quality. the feedback is the same as the first arena and absolutely every bug that was there is present here too.

also they will do about as much with this feedback as the first time wich is nada

[coral onyx]

TBH as a non PVP player, having consequence free pvp is a good idea. If it had launched without issue many players would still be playing it. However with all the issues we have had apathy and loathing for the feature are not helping things.

[errant forge]

the most entertaining thing about Arena, is this channel.

[edgy orchid]

many issues are by design.. balance included

this just means ppl cant advance ops either el;se they screw themselves over lol

[sharp timber]

Extend or move it to the weekend, at least us Kiwis can then join in

[silk tapir]

Month of waiting and still same matchmaking 👎

[coral onyx]

Just has a client crash whilst exiting the arena team view. Just displayed the arena team background, clicking on the other items did not schange the screen view (like the system button)

[alpine orbit]

I suspect we won't see arenas for a few weeks again 😂

[weak heron]

Consider it a blessing that you can’t.

[weak heron]

We can but hope.

[alpine orbit]

I think they just need to pull it til further notice, and give us the 8.4k credits we need for triple pulls each week

it's clearly not improved

[weak heron]

I completely agree, plus some ranking and some apology Terran credits to boot.

[alpine orbit]

selfishly I'm not bothered about getting rank points, I've managed to edge my way into platinum 3 today.... but I can see why others would want rank points

[tepid oriole]

Feedback? For what, for something that doesn't work and those responsible are not able to solve the ongoing problems? I can think of many words but they are not to be used here. express

[astral pebble]

We won.
They just didn't show up 😂

[agile forum]

better this way?

more acceptable now?

[edgy orchid]

https://i.imgur.com/IHJZMxZ.png

[alpine orbit]

@gritty cobalt I know you're probably discussing this with the powers that be, but I think the general concensus is that you should pull arenas again until it is actually fixed. Seeing as it is relatively unplayable for a lot of users this time round, I think it would be prudent to send out a comp chest with with 8.4k arena emblems today, and then continue to send out that amount weekly on a Monday until arenas return. Just my two cents but I know most (if not all) players agree with this. Thankssssss

(as well as some arena rank points, as it seems a lot of people are sore about missing out on the opportunity to progress their store options too)

[gritty cobalt]

working on announcement now

[modern kite]

then there's stuff like this

[robust bobcat]

So about three hours in and we now have a team of two, just waiting for that last player…… maybe before it end 😟

[runic garnet]

There were some issues.. but it was largely working fine for me. Sorry to see it disabled.

[storm vine]

Arena closed?

[gritty cobalt]

yup

[keen delta]

Can we just get 1v1 already?

[cunning swift]

@gritty cobalt You've probably been told this 1000% times but we need rank in the comp chest as well as credits

I have several alliance members that can't buy the favours they want

Or remove the rank requirement for the faction BP favours

[gritty cobalt]

Pauly will do everything we can to get that compensation

[cyan bear]

Seriously. I've JUST finished work, I was about to do my first arena in weeks... the loot you gave us before didn't even cover the pulls I would have been able to do from playing in the area, and now it's cancelled??? ** insert loud frustrated cry **

[neon heart]

Are we ever going to get the ability to recall ships like it was said when arenas where first announced?

[keen delta]

I finally just got the time to do some matches and was excited… shame that depression isn’t a prime.

[agile forum]

why?

[subtle vine]

is it going to be more FAIR comp chest? pulling the chest plus award from loosing OR winning Arena is EXACT same among all ops.. why is ocmp chest different for different ops LAST time? so unfair !

[worn jacinth]

you really need to do both credits and rep now ... we are stopped in gaining rep due to Arenas not working for over a month now

[alpine orbit]

read the rest of this chat mate, it's broken for A LOT of players

[keen delta]

The hamsters couldn’t power the wheel

[cosmic walrus]

why is arena gone

[safe fox]

@gritty cobalt can we get an announcement to confirm its cancelled?

[spring pumice]

We've been Scopely'd. Again.

[alpine orbit]

he's writing one, read literally a few messages up from the one you just replied to

[gritty cobalt]

on it!

[safe fox]

ok thanks

[odd forge]

The timings of arena are too restrictive

[agile forum]

so arena ran well for US users but now gets to APAC and gets cancelled after abouth 4h?

[keen delta]

Prime Arena Chest 99$ usd. Calling it

[odd forge]

Either put it on for longer or more days

[agile forum]

timings for APAC are horrible, always have been

[short basin]

Full weeks compensation minimum I should hope

[alpine orbit]

it didn't run well at all, people have been complaining about it all day. The timings are terrible for everyone I think, starts at 2pm in the UK when most people are at work

[silver nebula]

eu prime time literally just started 1 hour ago... came home from work... yeah no arena emblems for me i guess....

[agile forum]

don't see that as a reason to cancel it... it's been broken in the same way for a long time and even when lag was horrible they weren't pulled like this

[cursive fable]

On the flip side - @gritty cobalt We've just been very fortunate and did 6-7 arenas back to back without any issues on S155. Seemed to run well, and then disappeared out of nowhere 😅

[alpine orbit]

that's exactly the point, it's been broken for ages and they need to fix it, the issues with it create a hugely unfair advantage for some players

[sharp hemlock]

Some of my team are starting arenas....his is what I get when I click the link 🤣

[slate pawn]

come on i wrote 47th correctly why you delete it?

[neon heart]

That's impossible. Arenas have never been great 🤣

[sharp hemlock]

Can't select the in game menu

[keen delta]

This is great

[weak heron]

Because it’s horrible because most of the time it’s broken, and when it isn’t it’s plagued with cheesers making a good feature miserable.

[slate pawn]

ugh Carl you sneaky sneaky bot

[stoic verge]

Arenas don't work anymore? It's greyed out

[sage shuttle]

That implies it was great once, it's only ever been a fail, just failing even more now 😳

[weak heron]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-magic-poof-disappear-i-dream-of-jeannie-gif-9396045698105338463

[olive harness]

They seriously disabled it AGAIN? After not running it for weeks because they were "making improvements"??

[cursive fable]

Presuming no political chatter, and rightly so - this is solely for STFC 😅

[sharp hemlock]

Some of my team can start em

[cursive fable]

It's closed, bud.

[sand vale]

yeah all gone

[sharp hemlock]

And yet some of my team are starting them

[sand vale]

and this after such a nice winning streak 😜

[cursive fable]

They just haven't reloaded to see it's gone

[fickle niche]

lmao 🤣

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1158735542574387240/1325875092785201214/Arena_Funky.gif

[slate pawn]

everything is about politics, just ask the Romulans

[sharp hemlock]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[rocky crypt]

Arena's ended early?! or just borked?

[stoic creek]

i really looked forward to a fine arena ... thanks for nothing.

[noble gorge]

Arena on eu114 broken again ended 4h early

[cursive knoll]

Arena's were pulled for about as long as they were live and scopely STILL can't get them to function? Damn, replace them with a pve loop at this rate with rep rank based on our current rank as this is beyond absurd

[sand vale]

broken and ended early

[cursive fable]

I mean the Romulans were notoriously wrong on a number of things, and some of the most villainous folk of all Star Trek 😅

[magic pawn]

thnaks for playing...

[slate sable]

Was it working for you today bud

[orchid geyser]

It's nice to see that progress is consistently bypassing us." // Schön zu sehen, dass der Fortschritt uns konsequent umgeht.”

[grizzled arrow]

Aww I hadn’t even started

[weak heron]

You’ve been here long enough to know that you won’t be here long going on about stuff that breaks the rules 🙂

[sand vale]

always have not lost an arena in about 30-40 matches

[weak heron]

You missed nothing.

[fickle niche]

it was terrible for APAC 10 hours ago. we tried to post feedback but no one was listening back then

[slate sable]

Never even started for me

[noble gorge]

I only got 3 in 2 earlier and one now just before it went splat

[bleak crane]

Looking forward to many more weeks of non-triple-pulls. And all this garbage after your dev proudly presented all the improvements.

[weak heron]

Oh we listened

[sand vale]

oh lol yeah today i could also only do about 7

[stoic creek]

Same 109

[blazing quarry]

can scopely run an event without buggering it up? 🤣

[grizzled arrow]

I’m only halfway to vindicator 😦 I don’t want another bad comp chest

[weak heron]

At least now when the comp doesn’t give rank I only need the credits 🤣

[fickle niche]

i mean anyone of importance 😛 you dont count

[keen cradle]

nice the alliance mates i wanted to do arenas with cant open arena annymore because of the arena not aviable bug🙄

[south gazelle]

They fixed it for good 😅

[sand vale]

nope

[spring pumice]

Not a bug. They pulled them.

[runic axle]

If you are going to remove arena like this and keep adding comp chests, remove the rank requirements for getting the other items until you fix it. Many of us NEED rank to get the stuff we want and now we can't get it. Just open the store give a GENEROUS comp chest

[rocky crypt]

At this point just give everyone the vindicator

[agile forum]

that's cool, blaming the people that make use of the game design rules and call it cheese, and then say they're to blame for the problems. tell we, why can an ops 57 do pvp with and ops 44? makes any kind of sense? is it fair? why doensn't it get changed?

[noble gorge]

Well guess as usual scopely can't fix something lmao

[mighty oxide]

managed to do 8 with my group but yeah only slightly beter then before.

[agile forum]

is this cheesing too?

[keen cradle]

i can still open a group and other peopel can join

[silver nebula]

can we get ranks btw as well?... i could never even try to reach a higher rank since i went 40+ since arena got taken down since that point...

[agile forum]

what about this?

[weak heron]

Awww, you’re hurt that you had someone cheese you and it isn’t fun.

That’s cute.

[grizzled arrow]

What a naughty ops60!

[agile forum]

or even this one?

[fast patio]

It's based upon average ops, so 58 vs 59.3333

[sage shuttle]

Scopely can and do ignore APAC, they listen a bit to the EU servers, the real spenders are in the US, and they wouldn't dare try to fob them off with this Arena nonsense after 4 weeks of "fixing" it

[keen delta]

Arena breaks as much as Ubisoft’s servers

[spring pumice]

The rules are the same for everyone. Use them. Can't blame people that make use of them. This game rewards knowledge and strategy.

[lofty scaffold]

😅 💦

[magic pawn]

lust to win over fun and exctitment...

[keen delta]

How’s your back feeling after that?

[south gazelle]

They fixed it for good 😅

[tawdry mantle]

Arena turned off yea?

[agile forum]

because, I don't get it. arenas are plagued by lag and bad timing to run during the day. first and foremost. sure, narrow the ops band allowed if you want, but it won't chance the fact that it's fundamentals are that even given same ops level, there are huge differences between players. just the fact scopely has designed FT specifically for PvP at the same time as arenas lauched, says it all

[keen delta]

Arena left us for smokes and ain’t coming back

[lofty scaffold]

it got its second round 🤣

[weak heron]

All I’m hearing is “waaaah, I got called out for cheesing and making this rubbish for people and when I stopped I got a battering because I’d artificially inflated my rank”

https://tenor.com/view/consequences-prank-punch-gif-10418460

[fickle niche]

i think they are purposely running it during off peak player times, they cant even handle the fraction of unemployed/retired player base who can login during monday mornings. imagine what happens if it's run during evenings in each timezone?

[keen delta]

Man I am so sorry

[hardy wedge]

I can't do waves as the game thinks I'm still in arena team 😱

[lone lintel]

Having the same issue

[alpine orbit]

you keep talking about "cheesing", but before I was in a team with a 60 ops and a 54 ops, and we came up against a team that also had a 66 ops. It was a fair match, so even if people try to "cheese" it is not guarantee that it will work. What you need to do is play smart and play the system just like them... "if you can't beat em, join em"

[weak heron]

I prefer changing the system so the cheese is gone.

[old wing]

Now arena is gone completely @muted badger

[weak heron]

Yup

[random edge]

hopefully all the feedback from the limited Arena runs is sufficient for Scopley to go back to the drawing board and try to fix the game performance over the next 4 weeks

[sharp terrace]

add a lactose-free option

[orchid geyser]

Lol… Ultra funny. Can Not do something like Wave because I am Part of an Arena group - which does not work.

U scopely guys are so … funny

[agile forum]

the point i'm trying to make and seems you are not getting, its that it's not the cheesing that breaks arenas. is the bad design decisions

[fickle niche]

it's both

[weak heron]

The point you missed is that I pointed out that cheesing is what ruins the only time arenas works.

[orchid geyser]

Meetoo

[old wing]

Or rather @gritty cobalt as HAM is on vacation.

[alpine orbit]

how do you suggest that works? Setting up a "fair" matchmaking system is impossible in a P2W game. Even if they made it so the team matchup was insanely narrow, you'd still have the issue of one f2p ops 60 vs one p2p ops 60, one will have a massive advantage. Not to mention the INSANE matchmaking times this would create. Even if they opened up the matchmaking so you could create a team with any player from your server (as opposed to just your alliance), it would still take so long to matchmake that it would render it pointless

[agile forum]

just what do you define cheesing is? going it with a bigger ops that trumps everyone else with speed crew and pvp ft?

[ocean relic]

😄

[agile forum]

got some of those too. am I complaining? not in the slightest, it's in his right to spend his $$ wherever he wants

its just another type of cheesing, spending money...

[sly marsh]

Arena has been stopped by scopely, anouncement will come soon... -.-***

[weak heron]

Rank fixes it, but if people cheese it so their rank is ridiculous compared to their true ability then they end up in battles they have no chance against, posting those here as an example of bad matchmaking rather than accepting the consequences of their actions.

[fickle niche]

restart/clear localization doesnt work either?

[agile forum]

then defined what is not cheesing for me please, because it seems I don't get it 😄

[storm hinge]

Dear Scopely, I am a retired software quality assurance engineer and am willing to come out of retirement for the right price. I believe you could do with some guidance and consultancy😁

[agile forum]

or create a matching algorithm that prevents cheesing

[warm fulcrum]

Arena doesn't work EU 105

[weak heron]

Closing the bracket up and playing equal ops vs equal ops.

[weak heron]

If that was in my remit I’d have been messing with brackets a long time ago.

[agile forum]

ok, then everyone is cheesers 😄

[fickle niche]

technically it's impossible to do that. a spending camper can evade that

[weak heron]

It seems I’ve got a smart one here. Have a great day ahead.

[agile forum]

I'd vote for a global joining pool. everyone would join the pool and the game creates the matching from there

server vs server

[plain aurora]

Arena off?

[weak heron]

There’s always ways around it, but when you can so blatantly game the system by fielding a team 14 wide, you lose all right to bleat about the outcomes

[vagrant dirge]

Arena is now disabled, but I cannot start wave because it seems I'm still in arena squad that I cannot leave now

[plain aurora]

why?

[weak heron]

Cos they’re a mess 😆

[restive pasture]

WHo gets fired at scopely for this ? That's what I want to know !

[agile forum]

teams 14 wide? cheesing. spending on PvP FT? cheesing

[restive pasture]

Enough with the pitty comp chests ! FIRE who doesn't do their job properly !

[random edge]

If it doesn't impact sales, then nobody is getting fired

[fickle niche]

e.g. this guy is the only ops46 and in the top 100 for APAC. rest everyone is ops55 minimum. the top50 are mostly g6 and yet he is #38

[rich horizon]

Says i am in an arena squad and can't join waves, what the hell

[restive pasture]

I am impacting their sales ! Not buying elite battlepass this month, not buying new ship, not engaging in new game machanics. Who agrees ?

[random edge]

providing a good customer experience is not one of Scopley's core tenants, so therefore not on their employees annual preformance review... but losing revenue sure is!

[pastel flame]

I can't get into arenas. Did a couple, got kicked out of squad when finished. Now I'm mining, but the game shows I'm still in. Did 2 restarts and it's still the same.

[weak heron]

Rank pulls the latter out of your way if you stop playing silly with your teams to artificially inflate your rank and give those around you a bad match.

[mighty oxide]

If you don't want to meet ops 50 you should have let your 41 start the group

[weak heron]

False on two accounts

Not a mod

Not a gaslighter

🤣

Nice try though

[inner plover]

refrain from attacking members of the team, which includes epic commanders

[weak heron]

Oops, you found a mod.

[random edge]

what is an epic commander?

[agile forum]

that's not what I see happenning. What I see is teams created around a single strong pvp player that can demolish the other team alone by pvp

unless the other team has a similar strong player

[tawdry mantle]

Mods happy to reply to comments but no word on the game literally being unplayable and actually broken

[fickle niche]

a non red shirt 😛 😂

[woeful fulcrum]

"Wave defense is unavailable while you are in an Arena Squad" . . . But button arena doesnt work . . . 🤷‍♂️ 🤯

[random edge]

someone who epically fan boi's Scopley?

[gray bone]

Feedback - SCRAP ARENAS

[astral gulch]

<@&509691205798592532>

[magic pawn]

in other word : cowards

[restive pasture]

that's strategy : 1 strong player for pvp, the smallest player in the squad does pve, and the 3rd floats in between.

[coral onyx]

Hammy is on holiday. Wonder why he picked this week

[astral gulch]

Scam up there

[agile forum]

got trounced today by similar ops players with similar power and ships, but much bigger pvp FTs whereas I have none

[tardy pelican]

Arena feedback
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[random edge]

Hammy is smart

[tawdry mantle]

#Hammyknew

[agile forum]

seems that is classified as cheesing now... or needs to be at most 3-4 ops apart not to be classed as cheesing 😄

[restive pasture]

#Hammyboicoted

[stoic verge]

"We're performing background work that aims at improving your experience in Arenas; more specifically, eliminating your game before entering the match." 🤣

[weak heron]

That’ll work for all of a week until their rank pulls them to dangerous heights and they get battered.

[glossy cobalt]

Waited 5 weeks for arenas to be reworked. Only to fail bigtime. Bloody jokers you people are at scopely.

[safe frost]

i just finished setting up my crews :/

[random edge]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-spacey-and-like-that-hes-gone-poof-blow-kiss-blowing-kisses-gif-18121815698451210987

[agile forum]

to me this one seems even matched on ops levels

[fickle niche]

he probably has the Boreth Time Crystal 😂

[astral pebble]

Brilliant, just brilliant!

[agile forum]

and we won without much effort and no dirty tricks

[sharp otter]

Indeed feedback scrap arenas

[old wing]

I was still getting matched vs ops66-67’s with all 10m+ ships which is ridiculous if we have a ops64 team.

[silent dock]

@gritty cobalt sending you some ice cream 🍨 to stay cool 🥶

[random edge]

This is a new one!

[chilly aspen]

I started as a new 49 with 2 ops 56 players, we matched with a 49, 54 and 61

[gritty cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-a-bit-calm-down-relax-gif-3234894596200294187

[restive pasture]

quality over quantity ??

at blizzard, maybe

[tardy pelican]

No
Riot is more fun
This is now our arena 😂

[plain aurora]

any offical announcement?

[old wing]

Not aimed at community managers or devs but knowing Scopely by now is money over performance.

[obtuse island]

so can't do arena's or waves...

https://tenor.com/view/rare-reeeeee-dank-meme-triggered-gif-24062717

[light badge]

Really???? Not getting that arena experience right now.

[safe frost]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mob-riot-torches-pitchforks-gif-5859895

[restive pasture]

I've not spent 1$ on stfc in 3 months, and will continue until they fix "old" game mechanics.

WHat I am using more and more are 7 day shields....

[old wing]

Same for over a year I only buy small battle pass during arc.

[magic pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799566538461675570/1330961892163977397/Arena_Funky.gif

[restive pasture]

not. 1. dollar. !

[old wing]

Guess I’m off to play something else tonight instead of arena.

[restive pasture]

I fully support that !

[coral onyx]

I'm surprised we've not seen an official announcement that it's been pulled

[plain aurora]

old problems are stable...

1. lag
2. need to restart to see that i have a fight... join 30 sec later loosing by 2 points...
3. locate fast ships is broken
4. all you can read is old!

5. laaaaaag
6. arena off

[spring pumice]

Hopefully because they want to release the announcement together with the very fat comp chest.

That's what a reasonable company that cares for their customers would do.

[obtuse island]

it better be morbidly obese

[thorn thicket]

Wtf

[restive pasture]

How about they announce who made a mess this time, and got fire for it ? How about that ?

[paper grove]

Amazing, you Scopely guys kill the fun.

[dark solar]

<@&509690795536941056> How about an official announcement about what's going on? Why is arena down already, not even a full run before it crashes and burns after a month of fixing?

[spring pumice]

Firing someone for a mistake is really toxic. That creates a culture where no one wants to do anything for fear.

[obtuse island]

because its managements fault and management never get fired, just passes the buck

[little steppe]

Pulling it for several weeks, launching it for a few hours and pulling it just as most of the EU are getting off work is a ballsy move.

[light badge]

Certainly one kind of move. Not sure I would call it ballsy though.

[winter mulch]

I mean makes sense. APAC didn't have the server population to fully collapse it so they got a bad run, EU finally had enough people online to collapse it

[obtuse island]

its just a trial run for when the US goes to war with the EU over Greenland 😂

[sinful gate]

Arena is too short. Middle of the afternoon. So anyone finishing work at 6pm uk, can't even play it. Make arenas great again!

[fickle niche]

we had same issues too. just that it starts at 10am in APAC, so no one was bothered,

[rough totem]

<@&509690795536941056> Well, got back from work expecting to be able to run some arena matches, guess that won't be the case. I expect the comp chest to make its comeback.

[inner plover]

Keep politics off this discord, this is your last warning

[restive pasture]

" a mistake " as in 1 ? no no no, my friend, not 1 !

[twilit prism]

The matchmaking has ridiculous maybe try one-on-one

[random edge]

so to summarize the feedback... Fixed: Nothing, Broken: Everything.

[sinful gate]

The matching is still broken and who's it for? Many from Europe are at work. Should run for 12 hours, even if there is a max limit of points you can get.

[obtuse island]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-to-see-here-explosion-explode-bomb-fire-gif-4923610

[random edge]

https://tenor.com/view/everything-is-fine-reign-reignwilson-gif-25357687

[rocky crypt]

It's one thing to turn off Arena's but not being able to do a wave after...

[obtuse island]

https://tenor.com/view/혼파망-피자-당황-community-chaos-gif-16635574

[twilit prism]

If scope actually tried one on one that might solve the matchmaking problem

[random edge]

true, but that would be far less fun

[sharp terrace]

I'd only want to see it to watch the complaints pop about how unfair it is 😂

[frozen rain]

Can even select it in the options to start one what's going on server 105

[plain aurora]

same problem...

[spring pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/community-gif-8067450

[obtuse island]

anyways I have cat vom to clean up, gotta more enjoyable than this game right now...

[plain aurora]

seems to be a mining monday after now

[brave flare]

Feedback: Delete Arena. It was Trash and nothing has changed after 4 Weeks.

[tardy eagle]

I believe match making is busted if not based off highest op in squad. I get it there are those who are defending current match making or cheese method to aquire a super favorable match up which I would never do , I much rather have my respect and play with my friends in arenas then act like I'm so good at them because I facing ops that have no chance.

Fine, if scoply wants to keep it that way it is on match making, add all options but avatars in store to all ranks or remove negative rank so if God forbid my squad gets lucky with a match equal in ops I can at least progress slowly in rank.

Right now me and my crew who love to pvp all similar ops have no interest because we are closing store down from rank drop. So 3 players who just don't care to play in them anymore

[wide hill]

Bwahahahaha

[drifting hollow]

arena work much better last 3 times.😁

[bleak crane]

Stop calling it compensation when you don't compensate anything.

[neon heart]

Great return for terrible content 😂

[reef compass]

Well i had fun from 15:30 to around 17:30 then it became a unplayable lag hell.

[worn apex]

Thanks for the update @gritty cobalt
Any possibility of changing the comp chest so all Ops receive the same amount of currency? Since chest costs don’t change by Ops, doesn’t make sense to give someone in G4 less than someone in G5 or G6. Arena rank dictates how much we get out of the chests anyways, NOT Ops.

[low otter]

@gritty cobalt please advocate for 8400 emblem comp chest rather than something driven by ops (which makes zero sense given the structure of rewards).

[inner plover]

Pauly will do his best to advocate for a better comp chest, we all have been pushing for it.

[regal fjord]

Or some rep/rank for us who just joined the 40s when arenas stopped running in the US, who are stuck in Bronze 4 and effectively cannot pull anything of substantial value.

[drifting hollow]

If arena will be removed again for weeks, is needed to put also advancement ranking xp in comp chests @gritty cobalt .

[willow jackal]

stable enough for mobile☺️ the one match i managed before shutdown! SERVER 138EU

[unreal flint]

<@&509690795536941056> Lift the rating/ranking of the rewards in the Terran store, who cares if we get years of free terran credits when we cannot progress in playing arena from time to time to get the rating to spent the currency. I switched a shift for today to do arena and now this. I feel very sad now. Already wrote support about this unfair stuff

[worn apex]

@willow mantle You have a problem with people being properly compensated? lol

[knotty lantern]

How about this for a quick and effective fix: hand out all the innovative engineering favours as a compensation. This would help in 2 ways:

1. many people would stop complaining because I get the feeling the vast majority is doing arena just for them even though they have 0 interest in this feature at all
2. you would take a huge load of the servers because those players would be gone and you could focus on improving performance for those that actually play it because of pvp.
   Job done 👍

[autumn drum]

So I get why you are cancelling Arenas. Many of us are stuck at a certain Ranking level and are being blocked from spending our currency on valued items...We need lost rank potential compensation as well

[willow mantle]

I have an issue with low ops bias, yes. The biggest suffers from Arena are at the higher end of the spectrum, the comp chest is correctly based on ops level.

[upper stag]

<@&509690795536941056> and @dusky hornet you want a honest feedback ??? i don't think, that you can handle the truth 🤣

[worn apex]

No it isn’t. If you want to be all exclusionary about it, then the comp should be based on rank, not Ops. How is someone in G4 who participates weekly getting less than someone in G5 or G6 who never participates in anyway logical? Give everyone the same amount end of story.

[willow mantle]

Meh, feedback here is thankfully moot. Entitlement attitude of low ops is quite ridiculous.

[willow mantle]

Gain rank is so easy at low ops, getting even a team together in high G6 for a lot of players is much more challenging… rank is based on participation, we’re much more limited due to a smaller pool of players to join with… and logic suggests $copley follow the $$$$ not the low ops. 💋

[manic orchid]

I hope the compensation will be a lot better this time. What we got was far less than I could have got if arena was working.

[willow mantle]

My feedback is, remove the rank system, or at least lock at certain ranks, and open to the server.

[rugged juniper]

What a waste of time and game effort. Trying prep everything up amongst work and family needs so arenas can be played then sit around trying to find a way to get access to the arena is so frustrating. What an awful reintroduction. I understand the issues faced and attempts to resolve old code but really this just needed to be stand alone rather than reliant on old html rubbish.
Twisting my game around to be able to take on a full pvp set up rather than pve has been such a waste and leaves little now to play catch up with the rest, and nothing to show for it. Absolutely terrible experience. Disgusted at the poor timing of announcements and closure. This game Management has gone backwards by many months.

[light badge]

Bad form Scopley.

Official announcement has been made.

[pliant snow]

Let us play the game!!!! Why do you keep canceling everything?? A half broken game is better than no game at all.

And comps are worthless, I’d get 4-5x in a broken run of arenas than I get from the miserly comps.

[worn apex]

“Entitlement” is something I would reserve for people like you who think the rest of us don’t matter even if we’re heavy participants. You spent your way to the end and now cry that you have no one to play with. That’s not the rest of our faults. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Peace out. ✌️

[inner plover]

Okay, simmer down.

[brisk meteor]

and arena is gona already, was just about to prep for it... at least increase the measely weekly reward you will push, its to little to do consitent double pulls on the ship... and keep is closed until its actually fixed... seeing the amount of 'feedback' not much noticable happend...

[restive pasture]

So : someone, or several, at Scopely, messed-up (again and again and again), compensation gets handed out, much less than most of us would get if the feature was working properly ; no one at scopely suffers any consequences for their mistakes, while we, The Players, get more and more frustrated and end up arguing amongst ourselves. Why ? Scopely did this to us, we haven't done this to each other. Consider a united front against a source of frustration, let's not take it out on each other.

[outer mountain]

@gritty cobalt I think Hammy was still working on trying to get an answer as to why the comp is broken up by ops level when the normal arena rewards are not. Any chance you have details on how that's going to be handled in the new comp chest?

[bleak crane]

There is no BIAS in offering equal compensation for equal costs and equal rewards, big brain.

G6 player btw, Mrs. "Low Ops Entitlement"

[golden mortar]

Booooo on the cancelation of arenas again today. Boooo I say ….booo.

[grizzled arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[light badge]

Disappointing Scopley.

[wispy ivy]

Honestly, even if they iron out all the problems with arenas, as long as they are on a week day with half the arena time during work hours, they will never be as successful as they could...

[neon heart]

Makes you wonder if that's on purpose, less playing, less chance of it crashing the servers completely 🤣

[tawdry sun]

<@&509690795536941056> so you did the exact opposite of what numerous people (including me) explicitly asked you not to do. Are you actively trying to drive players away?

[fast aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/sparks-electrical-electricity-equipment-radio-amateur-fire-gif-24123123

[chrome marten]

lol, what a dumpster fire this arena thing, someone well said that the best update they did to arenas was to cancel them and send weekly chests out

[turbid dawn]

I had a blast, don’t see the problem why they had to cancel it

[trim crow]

Read the chat lol

[chrome marten]

but .. he had a blast.... skrew the rest lol

[robust bobcat]

Arena idea, let individuals enter, you get matched up with 5 other players across the wider game at the same ops level, you could then put them in 2 teams and run as normal (suddenly it’s around crews and research as you are all the same level) or… get the six players at the same ops level and it is a 5 minute all in battle and players are ranked on damage given for example.

[nova tendon]

The thing i am mostly struggling with is the fact that those spending hours in the first rounds have a massive advantage using favors and other stuff while many are now stuck. The rep level doesn't help, but an increase in score as compensation would be kind

[mystic wharf]

people can't rank up in arena because it's never running, people who got ranks early on have huge advantage over other players as they have the full shop unlocked, scopely needs to give everyone high rank so the gap between players can stop growing, (i have high rank and have unlocked everything)

[fair creek]

trust me, paying for stuff still is impossible to keep up with, even as high ranker. yes, payouts are a little better, but nothing to brag about imo

[runic axle]

<@&509690795536941056> A serious question regarding arena today. There were MANY complaints but were any of them followed up on with any statistics? What device were they using, were they on dedicated wifi or on mobile networks, other potential issues with coverage etc. looked into? It isn't that I don't trust the complaints, but I am sure there were some that didn't experience issues or very little issues in general. I am not saying in past it has worked perfectly but in my own experience in past were that 2/3 of matches worked OK, no lag no issues at all. I agree that it hasn't been the best game mode in terms of stability and needs work but we can't rank up and actually get rewards and the comp chest (in past) doesn't even last a full week for pulls. My example to stability issues is waves, when I play on mobile, waves generally crashes 50% of the time, but when I play on PC i never have issues with waves. I think it is worth looking and digging deeper into what is causing some problems as well looking for feedback on those that have very little issues with game modes.

[mystic wharf]

higher rank unlock officers and faction bp efficiencies, which are all extremely valuable to all players, months have passed since arenas have worked, and some players (like myself) have had efficiencies and officers for months,

[mellow hatch]

Locking people with low or no rank out of buying stuff is particularly not great right now as there's a heroic event where you can score by getting MU Officer shards....

[fair creek]

yeah, the bp efficiency is the biggest plus, but thats not giving you an advantage in arena. officers yes, but tiering them up is too expensive, i personally dont even use the mirror crew bc of low procc data.
uhura is nice in pve below deck, but people saving up for g6 efficiency still got nothing to spare

[surreal sorrel]

i was in apac and arena no buggier than normal… cancelling it sux. the compensation needs to be better. 4500 a week for g5, i made >20k emblems last night alone. could’ve made more if i played more.

[mystic wharf]

it gives you an advantage if you dont have the faction credits to buy a new ship or tier up officers 😂 . i have g5/6 efficiency, a lot of the research, all of the big officer/artifact unlocks and am doing daily pulls. i'm not sure what point you are trying to make, having a shop which is locked and impossible to access for a lot of players is a bad thing, that's my point,

[nova tendon]

I cannot agree more. Plus premium dust

[turbid dawn]

What is the point of a rank system if you give it to everyone

[mystic wharf]

what is the point of a rank system, if no one can gain rank?

[turbid dawn]

If you put effort in you should be rewarded for it

If you can’t rank up you need to get better

Simple as that

[nova tendon]

People are stuck for months not progressing in score

[turbid dawn]

Either better ships or crew or tactics

[turbid dawn]

That’s anoying yea that’s a problem

They need to run it consistently

[runic axle]

We haven't been able to play to rank up, so saying "get gud" is just being a troll.

[mystic wharf]

what are you talking about? arena has been disabled for months, so people can't gain ranks, now in EU arena is disabled again

[turbid dawn]

But they quit it cuz to many complained in here

Yea that annoys me to

I had a good streak going and got to gold finally

They need to run war room more consistently aswell

[runic axle]

war room has sourcing (although paid)

If I could buy g5 efficiency I would

[nova tendon]

Favors and premium dust and artifacts and officer shards some could get since then while many are prevented. The f2p community Had a good source in arena which is prevented now

And i myself lack premium dust i would never buy from store tbh

[turbid dawn]

You haven’t earned enough premium dust to complete all research yet?

[chrome marten]

eew, light spender alert, not enough premium dust on hand

[turbid dawn]

Classic blue Monday

[wary roost]

Problem is no one actually logs tickets anymore because the mechanism for it is so bad so I doubt they’ll be getting any good data from players. Only what they can see on reporting tools

[runic axle]

Takes little to no effort to release a client build that will turn on logging. App developers do it all the time for those willing to share feedback. I agree no one will file a ticket but create a build that sends logs to them for review and have players opt in to help. No one HAS to use it but I think it could help.

[nova tendon]

I agree and potentially many people not spending at all are feeling the same.

[tardy eagle]

This sounds exactly like something scoply would say. You say what's the point of ranking if everyone can get it? Well I can speak for most of player base, what's the point of playing if you can't rank up? I'm not saying they should give things away but dang never being able to grow is quit worthy. Spending tons of money and or cheesing match making I wouldn't consider effort over those actually trying to play in arenas. And discounting those efforts is why people just leaving it all together. Bit no, your rank is more important then making a enjoyable experience. Gotca. Do have a nice day

[surreal sorrel]

the top ranked player in my region is terrible at pvp, they just always jump on with a couple of 70s and reap the rewards, ranking means very little in the scheme of things.

i really don’t get why it’s been cancelled again, it was really no worse than in the past and i play on mobile so you’d think i’d cop the worst of it

[sleek saffron]

So I can barely increase my Terran faction rep because Arenas isn't being run and the rewards that were given in the interim barely move the needle for me. Not to mention my slow drip ability to get the Vindicator as well (since I did not spend for it).

I'm sorry to say but this faction design is not working at all.

[tardy eagle]

So that's your solution, just everyone ride the coat tails of 70s or highest ops player you can get into your squad to cheese matching. Yeah sorry, I don't consider that a enjoyable experience . I'm a PVPer and would love to engage with it but not like this. Would love to have a chance with my buds of similar ops and not have 70s all night long matching with me. Rank means nothing to me either but apparently it does to others. I do think players time should be rewarded even if it's a loss. Not penalty for trying to engage with it and giving others people to play with

[silver mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/restart-meninblack-willsmith-gif-4771009

[turbid osprey]

Please give equal comps no matter the ops. I am down to 1100 arena emblem. I mean I have put in a lot of work to be where I am and find it disappointing my comp chest is not even equal to a G6 player even though my rank is higher then most.

[wicked tulip]

<@&509690795536941056> Please disconnect Terran faction favors from arena rep. Leave arena rep tied to avatars, hailing frequencies, etc for people that want to rank up for them. The arena rank blocking research is one of the biggest reasons people don’t engage in the loop when it is available. Just my two cents.

[keen sigil]

the cosmetics arent what is going to draw people to spend to get stronger to beat up on other players. those favors are

[bold moat]

When you can’t run them ever it something that will hold people from progressing in the game and spending anyway. Double edge sword imo. Keeping it locked with no way to obtain

[keen sigil]

for sure

but they need the hook to get spend

[weak heron]

This. Arenas being broke and the awful comp for it is the only factor in the decision behind my not buying two packs today.

[keen sigil]

if they unlock it, the hook is gone and that feature designer failed at their assignment

i bought 2 packs, then 10min later they cancelled them. so annoyed

[velvet loom]

Full emblem pulls daily until arena goes live again , and unlock everything in the faction store. The only fair way to handle this cluster

[surreal sorrel]

sorry you misunderstood, i was saying rank isn’t indicative of any actual skill exactly because you can cheese it so heavily, so both locking key features behind rank AND providing no way to improve rank while they ‘fix’ it is dumb.

[idle sluice]

Don't waste time and resources on this event. Rather let the Devs spend their time sorting out an arc next month that's even more contrived than this current one.

[solar pier]

Hey, firstly I want to say that the arena is a great idea that sounds like a lot of fun, I actually upgraded to ops 40 to participate in it just before it was cancelled I think it was 4 weeks ago. Now I have been unable to play this event for over a month, and I'm stuck not being able to purchase the things I want in the store because I never had a chance to gain ranking in the arena. I would ask that either the ranking requirements be removed until the arena is fixed, or that the compensation chest includes some ranking so I can purchase what I want to and would be able to if the event was active. Thank you for your time

[soft knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/everything-cancelled-lego-lego-movie-emmet-brickowski-emmet-gif-16568467

[ripe ingot]

I do enjoy the idea. Issue in Australia is the timing. 4pm start most are at work then driving home, dinner etc. Makes orgaising team mates in alliance hard to get a team together. Also with the performance isssues loosing points is frustrating becasue you canot get in, have to restart, or ships get locked out, is frustrating and counter productive.

[jovial atlas]

Compensation chest needs to have rank in it. My store has been stuck for a month now.

This is unbelievable

[keen sigil]

USA is 11am lol... right in the middle of the workday on a Monday. We'd kill for a 4pm start 🤣

[novel granite]

I mean, I'd kill for any start at this point...

[native arrow]

In light of the fact you guys can't make arenas work...how about you remove the rank requirements from the terran store for the time being?

You can always reinstate them later if you get arenas working properly but players are suffering via not being able to rank up / losing rank when lag causes them to lose matches @gritty cobalt @hallow hemlock

[red cradle]

<@&509690795536941056> can we get the comp back for the canceled arenas please. Still need the creds to finish getting the ship.

[inner plover]

the comp will return, but it's currently being discussed for the contents

[obtuse island]

maybe take a month off new content and actually fix whats already busted, before you introduce more broken 💩

[winter mulch]

That doesn't generate shareholder value

[median root]

let's hope higher ops will still get more arena emblems, cause their chests in the faction shop are more expensive :/

[obtuse island]

I prefer to call them parasites

[tawdry sun]

I really hope that was sarcasm 😉

[median root]

why, this could be the only reason there is more in the chest the higher your ops is, isn't it? 😛

[tawdry sun]

That would be the only sensible reason, certainly.

[median root]

on the other hand it is really stupid to lock pve content behind pvp. in every game i ever played it was a bad idea to force pvers to pvp. that wasnt fun for anyone

[wraith turtle]

So again Scopely cancel Arena.... This time they need to compensate players with enough do to daily triple pull.... nothing less will be acceptable! Enough with the failures while player keep spending money on the game.

[cold fiber]

Triple pulls are not going to be enough this time. We’ve waited patiently for a functioning game to be delivered. Stop toying with us and remove the rank requirements so we can continue progressing with the expected efficiencies we have planned for. With all the constant broken promises… how long do you expect people to be happy with your terrible comp chests?

[open ibex]

Well it could be like me…it was gonna be my first arena and I didn’t even get to participate cause of this hot mess 😡🤯

[wispy ivy]

<@&509690795536941056> I know yall are getting these posts nonstop today because of the canceled arena. I also know you are not the ones directly responsible for the canceled arenas nor the comp chest. I just want to make a point by asking a question or two.

What does it cost Scopely to compensate players? From my understanding it costs nothing. Do you think a happy or at least not angry player base would spend more money on your game?

I ask these questions because it seems like Scopely is thinking any time they give away things in the game that is lost revenue. I am telling you just the exact opposite. Any time you create a positive interaction with the people who use your product they tend to think of it in a more positive light and often respond with a purchase.

In the case of arena, why not give enough compensation for players to make full pulls? It will likely result in players engaging in the game more once arenas are back as they would like to keep getting the same rewards week after week. If you give them what feels like a pittance they will end up disengaging with the game and many will eventually leave.

Just food for though and passing on to those who make these decisions.

[glass sequoia]

It prevents people from saying screw it and finding a decently coded game to play so it kinda does

[winter mulch]

Unless the major whales leaves, it wont matter to them

Granted we've seen several G5 quit our server this last year so maybe someday soon

[frigid bear]

So, as an early level ops. This was going to be my first chance at Arena's. Hoping to get an early start before I break into the Terran faction. Will I get this compensation? Or will it only go towards those who have the faction unlocked?

[tidal slate]

The announcement did mention comp. Assuming the comp is similar to what you have been receiving for Arenas.... What would you add?

[wispy ivy]

In general the comp should be enough for double pull all 7 days of the week at minimum. But honestly, if you are thinking of creating player good will, you make the comp enough to do full pulls every day for all 7 days. Also there should be something done about certain ranking requirements for people who have been locked out of key rewards because of the lack of arenas.

Remember this game is all digital. Nothing of that kind costs them money to do. Sending us comp only costs is terms of "projected spending" which until people spend it is 0. If you create a resentment because of the low comp like has been done recently it will not help with revenue generation, which is their driving motivation.

[tidal slate]

Mods don't actually work for Scopely. I say that mostly because - I agree with you. Pixel value is an odd measure that probably shouldn't apply to comp. But my opinion doesn't carry a lot of weight.

I do appreciate the thoughts on what would make it useful.

[wispy ivy]

Totally understand. I really just wanted to change the tone of discussion around compensation and point out what seems to me flawed logic from corp managers. The idea of never giving away something for free that the corp world has should honestly be flipped on its head in a digital market.

[tidal slate]

Appreciate it! I prefer to base my recommendations (as far as they go) on what you guys see.

[keen sigil]

its also a narrow minded thinking pattern. do you really think all their departments need to take a month off of content? art? narrative? etc...

it takes MONTHS to create an arc and the teams are all segmented. taking a month off does very little to the game. I'd argue that their lack of proper version control/handling would make taking a month off worse

[quick geyser]

Increase the comp so we can max pull single pulls are garbage! And the announcement about solving the issue of having to restart beforehand.... I'm going to restart my game before regardless and I'm sure I'm not the only one who will too.

[wicked tulip]

Arena rank, or remove the arena rank requirement for non arena based favors in the Terran faction.

[main pilot]

A max arena ranking exo promo code similar to the DTIMAX promo would be a good start at fixing the problem of people having credits but not the rank to buy whatever they need.

[keen sigil]

my terran pull has been messed up since the last actual run of arenas. some CS agents are nice and actually read the ticket, others are dismissive.

I am GOLD II

so every week i have to spend HOURS to get the right compensation sent to me.
live ops been involved since I first noticed, but no one can figure out why or how to fix

[spare saffron]

Quit crying about the rewards you didn’t earn from the event you didn’t do.

[thorn thicket]

That's a lot of arena time for those creds

[spare saffron]

Actually just a few hours when they ran arenas

[thorn thicket]

Interesting. Must be a good team 👏. That's also a lot of lat you got there too

[spare saffron]

Good team good strategy goes a long way. And there are a lot of different strategies you can use. But the 3 of us enjoy the challenge. Even if it’s a 43 taking on a 50.

It kind of became a ritual

[thorn thicket]

Indeed

[thorn thicket]

Pending who was on it was either against 50s avg or 57 58 avg. Usually could win 10 out of 11 or 12 matches a week. Just enough for a week's pulls. Should of played more and stocked up 🤣

[spare saffron]

Same wish I could have done more. 3 to 4 hours was my limit, to much going on. I did enjoy the no risk PvP.

[thorn thicket]

Get it done in an hour was the motto

[turbid osprey]

I am down to 800 in emblems. I have been max pulling till today so that's one thing. Should of switched to doubles. Do hope to get something. Was really looking forward to Arenas today.

[jovial atlas]

Many struggle for the one hour they can do. Get off your high horse and understand you aren't the average, you're the exception.
Sorry we didn't all no-life arenas five weeks ago thinking we'd still be able to do them all this time. How foolish of us.

Don't protect Scopely on this. They've hosed their player base for weeks with minimal pushback.

[warped stone]

If I can do arenas I can maybe get me enough to last a week but that's pushing it.

The limited time and timeslot allotted isn't a good one for me.

[cold fiber]

That could work. Either way, requiring rank to get important stuff and then making it IMPOSSIBLE to earn that rank for weeks on end is total BS.

[cold fiber]

Hey, genius. I'd be doing it if it was running as planned. Only reason I wasn't able to rank up more while it was running is because of poor timing with work and limited availability of others to run them with in the one hour a week I had to do it. Happy for you that you had the good fortune to get the rank you needed to progress when it was possible to get it... but not everyone was that lucky. Lame comment, bro. 👎

[cyan cypress]

Yeah I agree, they ought to give us ranking, i want that efficiency

[spare saffron]

Thank you genius for proving my statement true. Lame attempt bro👎

[inner plover]

all right, simmer down

[main pilot]

Your a clown 🤡 lol

You prolly got carried and got plenty of loot and rank now talking trash to people online who are upset they CANT get ranking because they CANT participate in a something that has been promised to be fixed. Don’t even waste your energy typing if you just wanna be a clown

[wispy ivy]

He's just a bigger spender that equates money with skill. And a troll. Dont feed the troll by responding to him.

[native beacon]

I stopped doing arena it's second run and never looked back.

[silver mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-and-sid-faizal-khamisa-little-bit-tiny-small-gif-20106440

[neon wagon]

Ive been freezing and being kicked out to restart all week leading into the arenas (that i DID NOT engage in), when just doing my dailes...solo...no pvp...just doing simple day to day stuff, collecting chests etc. The problems are WAY deeper and bigger then just arenas

[silver mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/alecpeters-axanar-deeper-gif-18041081

[feral stag]

When we supposed get this comp gift because I never got mine 🤷‍♂️

https://tenor.com/view/maleficent-sleeping-beauty-disney-angelina-jolie-maleficent-mistress-of-evil-gif-7104784285239126167

[median root]

at least enough to double pull and the content should not be based on ops level, it is ridiculous that osp60+ gets 5,7k while ops 45 gets 3,3k while th cost of everything is the same. but this point was made several times regarding the comp chest last time. also: cause there is pve stuff locked behind pvp (which is always a bad idea), drop the rank requirements for pve stuff

[full vine]

100% on ditching the rep ranks for now or at least rewarding points in the compo chest, although I've been complaining about the rank requirements for like 4 weeks and towards the end I was being told to stop complaining by other players lol

[strange flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/alice-in-wonderland-sigh-frustration-gif-3001363797063390503

[patent orbit]

Stocked up you say? I just ran out doing max pulls on Saturday. Who would have expected this to las 5 weeks+? No, this is 100% on scopley and their poor coding. if I were that bad at my job I would be homeless.

[thorn thicket]

So you were stocked up as well. I've been doing single pulls since a week after Arenas were taken down. This was due to my short dedication to get in and out during the tine I get to myself between work, training and family. My plans feel the pain as well and yes, this is 100% on scopely.

[spice socket]

Some people have those things called a life and don’t have hours to waste sitting around playing a broken game

[still fox]

I'm going to run out this week for my max chest pulls. Comp chests were only giving me 3300 and I know I get more than that when I do arenas.

[fair creek]

@gritty cobalt any information about not being able to rank up to unlock several options in the terran faction store? people are quite energetic about being able to do stuff.
and i get it, some people might not be strong enough to reach certain ranks, but on the other hand they cant even try to, and thats the reason why they feel left alone.

[median root]

just upgrade your ops then you'll get more /s 😦

[still fox]

Lol, yup, thats what I keep hearing, but I dont really want weak ships. I'm taking my time at certain Ops and attempting to do my research.

[spice socket]

<@&509690795536941056> where are the comp chests we were told we was gonna get?

[raven rain]

Since the comp didn't go out like previously on Sundays when we knew the event was delayed, Arenas were cancelled on Monday, and still no comp the next day, we are all losing time on chest pulls.

[oblique plover]

Whats a comp chest? 👀

[wispy ivy]

Apparently $copely heard that we were unhappy with the comp chest we had been receiving and decided to fix the problem... by not giving us a comp chest...

[short canopy]

whatever you are unhappy about, they are looking for the problem. Relax. They will be fixing compchests for 3 weeks and delay for another week

[crystal grail]

are we getting arena tokens this week? hopefully 8400 this time?

[tepid flare]

I feel like 8400 is wishful thinking but I'm out of mats for the pull because I pulled doubles since it was "coming back" this week.

[low otter]

it'll be entirely by ops again guaranteed because that makes total sense

[glass moat]

We inform you that we are tired of the fact that every time there is a bug in the game we have to give a compensation fund, we are ruining ourselves. Will you finally fix the game? Nooo!!! We will stop giving out compensation boxes.💩 💩 🤣

[upper stag]

why should they change ??? a lot of players still a lot of money every month to buy packs.

[summer loom]

where is the arena compensation? I'm out of Arena emblems...

[inner plover]

https://tenor.com/view/pendingclothing-pending-clothes-gif-27420873

[glass moat]

If they have so much money left over, let them give it to me because I can't make it to the end of the month😟

[plain aurora]

hm... i can remember for compchest... did i miss something?

[inner plover]

comp chest is pending

[steep dove]

Will there be a comp chest for all servers? Or just the ones that were able to partially play?

[hybrid scroll]

Can we get a proper comp this time. I have the 2nd highest ranking on my server and due to the lack of Arenas i am nearly out of emblems. I heavily engaged in that feature and now to get nothing or just a comp that below 8400 emblems is more then a slap in the face. Also stop with the G4 and G5 get less then G6. Give them a taste of what the Terran store can do and they might engage with Arenas when they finally return properly

[dusty ruin]

Did someone already get compensation chest?
We supposed to progres the levels and yet we are being held back! Missing emblems is just a part of compensation needed! I needed my terran rank up this week! Now I will be stuck in my op lvl for yet another week... 😡

[inner plover]

no one has yet

[low otter]

so is it something better than the last (e.g. 8400), aligned to rank, or (probably) senselessly aligned to ops?

[brisk meteor]

8400 😮 i only got 3300 every time... guess its ops depending but even the 3300 was kramp.... if you fail to delive you should overcompensate since the players did not screw up... justgetting the bare minimum and now multiple days where players cant pull the terran arena chest at all...

[compact plaza]

they'll just push the comp chest till it becomes sunday's comp chest and then they can pretend like this weeks arenas never happened... sigh

[glass moat]

Scopely is making Ubisoft and Electronic Arts look like saints in comparison.🤣

[winter ruin]

Where are our comp chests for arenas scopley?

[runic axle]

We will get comp on friday, it will be enough to last to Monday to make it look like we had a weeks worth of pulls...in all seriousness the approval process for comp needs to change and be updated. The change controls are too long. In MANY other games when an issue is identified comp is sent out MUCH faster (within a couple hours). Comp is faster in MSF and thats another scopely game...

[sick forge]

My arena feedback is to actually have them. This is ridiculous.

[grizzled tangle]

Where's the comp chest you promised? People were expecting them and they don't have them to do pulls now. Shouldn't take this long to push it out.

[restive pasture]

#QuantityOverQuality #7DayShieldON

[amber rampart]

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[dusky osprey]

That would require alot of stuff for them to be viable for all players
1: rotating times/extended opening period so all who want to can actually participate anything short of this is just punishing players through no fault of their own.
2. It was a buggy mess, crashing on starts, rubber banding ships, getting stuck in prep while the match was happening around you.
3. Matchmaking is a funny one but was up and down some good some bad but when's it's bad its very bad I'd say it's getting better.

All in all with out those elements all fixed it's probably better to keep it shuttered

[lime crane]

As much as I understand your point, better have a broken event, where you have the possibility to improve in rank and at least gather points for a weekly full pull ( even if you lose every single match), than not having the event, getting a comp. were a weekly full pull is not possible, and progressing in rank is out of the question.

[dusky osprey]

The first point is the biggest issue. What about the 100s/1000s of players who cannot play during the allotted 8 hours. EU for example is right bang in working hours and then the start of evening so family/ dinner time for most. It's penalising players and reducing the pool of available matches to have it so limited

All other events have a 24 hour cycle. And any previous attempts at flash events have been met with huge negative feedback this should be no different

[silver mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-compensation-pay-me-compensate-me-reimburse-me-reimbursement-gif-10654966330025955928

@gritty cobalt people want comp chest for another week w/o Arena.

[shut hedge]

Cancelled arenas again and still no comp chest?

[waxen star]

Make it ever flowing and instanced like waves... solves that issue... make a team and join queue and wait... any time yall on

[fair creek]

https://tenor.com/view/fifa-discord-fifa-compensation-gif-5552251424965401663

[wispy ivy]

Same issue for the USA. For the East Coast, it runs from 11 to 7. Even the West Coasts 2 to 10 time frame sucks...

[wispy ivy]

Without massive buy in by the player base this makes a bad user experience of long q's or even more unballanced match making then we have seen. Because the majority of teams that would be playing at any time would be those more unballanced ones.

[runic axle]

In my opinion, the real fix IMO for arena times being bad for everyone is to open arenas groups outside of your own alliance like waves. This would significantly improve players ability to play

[warm fulcrum]

When will we see a com chest for arena?

[brisk meteor]

agreed but can you imagion how terrible the servers will be, server can't even handle a 8 hour window 🤣 having arena up 24 hours, yes prefured, but the servers will die instantly 💀

[lime crane]

I can see the benefit of having a specific time frame.
If it were a 24-hour event, matchups might take much longer, or the system might have to force you into unfair matchups (more frequently).
So narrowing the event down to just a few hours brings all the players who want to participate together, which is actually better (or should be) for matchmaking.

[compact plaza]

I've said before and I'm pretty sure they're draggin their feet so they can send on the weekend and then just skip a week of compensation... good ol scopely

[low otter]

really?

#2

[keen sigil]

how else are people supposed to get terran faction stuff? 🤣

[bold moss]

When are we going to see the arena comp chests?

[inner plover]

no eta yet

[cold fiber]

How long does it take to grant a simple comp chest?

[keen sigil]

well if they are doing what the community wants, a bit more time than usual

[low otter]

would be nice to have some comms about what they are putting in it.

[keen sigil]

they dont know yet. suits are in the conference room tabulating the costs

[turbid osprey]

Ok well officially out of enough emblems to refine. Guess I will just collect the ship BPs and nothing else till that is done.

[agile forum]

Where is comp chest for arenas? Anyone heard something?

[sudden phoenix]

One is planned, not finished with it.

[agile forum]

Seems it’s taking its time compiling all the goodies then 👀

This delay only raises expectations… might try to manage some of them, I’m not expecting to be amazed at the compensation… but many are, and I bet they will be unimpressed

[bold moat]

<@&509690795536941056> are we not being comped for arena being canceled? It’s been over 48 hours since your failed try to reinstate the event

This is a long waiting if it’s the same chest you released weekly

[astral skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-gif-14404616

[spare fable]

Any day now on the comp chest..

[wary roost]

Has anyone heard anything at all from the <@&509690795536941056> regarding the comp? Feels like we’ve gone back a few steps in terms of communication and customer service, the bar was already low

[visual parrot]

Not done one yet wasn’t high enough till this week. Not good times for me and 40s can’t go with 42s which vexed me

[dull pasture]

STILL waiting for arena comp. <@&509690795536941056>

[bold moat]

<@&509690795536941056> is great about announcing oh let’s go look at the patch notes of the things you can buy. But can’t inform us about eta on releasing something they said they would do.

[glass sequoia]

I love not being able to make arena pulls due to incompetence

[astral skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-greenwood-gross-incompetence-incompetent-get-it-together-negligence-gif-5276740

[red echo]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-star-trek-patrick-stewart-ugh-frustrated-gif-3567519

[compact plaza]

dear scopely, you have yet to provide a compensation chest for this weeks arenas... don't just bundle that with next weeks and skip one ...

[glass moat]

They will simply lump together next week's compensation with this week's compensation to make it look like it's much bigger than it really is.🤮

[hardy tendon]

Imagine selling me a prime to increase the loot gained from the arena daily claim, then repeatedly cancelling the event without compensation. Can I have a refund on my prime?

[glass moat]

Scopely let's see if you understand it. How do you want the players to compete? It doesn't matter what position you end up with. all rewards are almost the same💩 🤮

[gleaming spade]

Any news about the compensation chest? 0 material to rafine.... Still waiting

[turbid wadi]

gotta love 4 days almost with no feedback on comp chest if it's being increased or not. That being aside you did cancel it during the timeslot itself and no comp for even that cancelation it would be nice to at least recieve a comp for that while you sit around the table to figure out "new" comp

[silver mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/trend-gif-9126923444906450670

[low otter]

"it's in planning"
"it's pending"
"there will be a comp"
"we're working on it"

[inner plover]

We will turn this comp around and go straight home!

[low otter]

just gonna be mantis 2.0

[bold moat]

The fact that they ain’t having @gritty cobalt give us any feedback after days is very annoying on this supposed comp chest.

[dusky osprey]

while we are asking for comps where comp for field training 2.0? 🤣

[pastel flame]

Arenas still glitching graphically!

[mystic plaza]

When are we getting the arena compensation? It’s been days and it puts all of us further behind getting our vindicator

[golden bloom]

they should just give us a ducking vindicator and be done with it

[alpine orbit]

@gritty cobalt we don't care about incursions pairings, we want the compensation chest for arenas.

[turbid wadi]

oh they gave up on that feature month's aho hence why it was pulled within first few hrs of release and has never once come back(except for brand new servers so they say)

[drifting hollow]

Coming there to write the same.😂 thanks mate

[lime spear]

Where is the arena compensation chest?

[turbid wadi]

oh I'm sure they've decided allrdy how much they're giving they just taking their time to release it for suspense

[bold moat]

<@&509690795536941056> posted about another thing people can spend money on. But yet nothing on the loop the shut off and people depend on for a ship.

[sick forge]

Or you know they could pull their head out and fix it? All of those are excuses. They've had it down for weeks. I've worked in IT my entire life and I've never seen a more incompetent software company. Being buggy and slow was an ok excuse when it first came out. At this point it's incompetence and neglect. This company is more concerned with throwing out new paid content than it is with fixing the numerous game affecting problems.

[wraith turtle]

<@&509690795536941056> Where is the Arena Comp Chest?

[wary roost]

Really is the year of hell

[full zinc]

@gritty cobalt where's the Arena comp?

[wanton rune]

<@&509690795536941056> comp chest please

[shell elk]

This is the same company that early released Kir'Shara, knew a week before public release all the problems it had, released it anyways without a word. Raked in the cash for weeks before publicly recognizing it had issues. By their own policies, we were owed money back for known faulty software... No one saw a cent back, credit toward anything of same cash value, and it took almost a year for them to finally mostly fix it... Still faulty, tho, of course

[wraith turtle]

Is the Arena Comp Chest guy on Vacation??? 🤣

[wicked urchin]

can we just get a daily collection of what would be available from arena tokens from terran faction if no compensation is going to be given

thats from after we lost existing broken arena compensation

not sure how to link the actual message not trying to post something already here trying to show what im talking about. comp was removed when arena was "fixed"

i am not patient

it was working fine for me until it was removed. outside of common stfc broken lag

been about a month

[wraith turtle]

*** News Update *** The Scopely Arena Comp Chest Guy has removed shoes and socks to be able to count the appropriate Compensation to be given to the players. Stay tune!

[neon heart]

We might get it on hte 30th Feb 🤣

[gleaming spade]

Compensation chest today?

I am still waiting for the next fraction lvl

[warm sage]

Hope so

[crystal talon]

Dream on

[covert moss]

Good luck. Comp chests would require scopely to actually do something right

[haughty wedge]

I've been stuck waiting just bow bronze 1 for over a month now

[restive pasture]

@gritty cobalt where is resolution for the (yet again) still broken PVP Arena ? We, The Players, cannot progress in the faction. We, The Players, cannot enhance our game experience by aquiring favors in the faction store. Meanwhile, more and more Heroic ( PAY TO PLAY 🤬 ) events are being rolled out. Well ? What does $$$copely have to say for itself ? 🤨 🤨 🤨 How about who is responsible for all these so-called mistakes with PVP Arena coding, and what consequences were there for these repeated FAILS !? Well, Comunnity Manager ? Forget about what packs can be bought in whatever store, as we - The Players - don't care about those. Game Experience ! Where is it ?

⏰

#7DayShieldON

[hollow lotus]

Send the arena comp that was promised to all effected from this week's please

[drowsy urchin]

#🌌-galaxy-chat message

[alpine orbit]

@gritty cobalt you've now made 4 posts since Arena was pulled and are yet to acknowledge the compensation that was promised. The majority of us are now out of arena emblems, and cannot do store pulls. The least you could do is communicate what's going on, this is absolutely ridiculous at this point. The better part of a week has passed??? It's unreal how something that should be so simple is made into such an arduous process

[restive pasture]

Comunity Manager, the more a resolution is delayed, more and more players get increasingly frustrated. #7DaySHieldON is beginning to gain supporters on Server137 and I hope soon it will spread to other old servers as well. Over the past 2 years more and more PAY TO PLAY players have abandoned their accounts and left the game. Obviously there is very little consideration for us, The Players, but the big spenders are quitting more and more freqvently and the smaller spenders are engaging less and less.

[alpine orbit]

A statement that doesn't really say anything, excellent

[restive pasture]

Incursions next week, right ? Well then, I can say now : CONGRATIULATIONS to whichever server is paired up against 137 as almost 10% of PVP Players now refuse to engage due to the repeated Arena screups. And the 10% is growing, rapidly ! #7DayShieldON tik tok $$$copely, tik tok ⏰

[normal sandal]

Where’s the compensation for cancelling arenas this week? I spent most of mine expecting that arenas would be run on Monday. Make it happen please.

[wicked urchin]

we wont get comp chest till they add something new to the game n it broken then we got a chance

ya my arena experience was fine till it was canceled. only common stfc broken lag

[rich rain]

by now it should be obvious that there is no intention to provide any compensation for the disaster last monday. we should probably get used to the idea that this event will get shelved because under the current circumstances, it doesn't work

[normal sandal]

They have been trying to fix it, the problem is with legacy code that is a spaghetti monster. And probably everybody using speed crews.

[full vine]

Maybe they should make the focus of arena who can do the most PVP and not who can line up armadas the fastest and the best way to kill hostiles and stop your armadas getting interrupted is with a speed crew which means to compete you also need to use a speed crew or you're too slow....

No that's far too complex

[turbid osprey]

Pvp isn’t just about power Also arenas are a challenge to see who can score most points or hit 1k first in a 10 minute timer. If you’re having issues with mada points then stop there armadas.

Issue right now is lack of arenas and compensation for that.

[haughty wedge]

That chest was borderline insulting after a week wait

[agile forum]

they just added a comp chest

[wicked tulip]

<@&509690795536941056> - so after multiple days of scopely "discussing" the comp chest - thats what came from it? The arena rank being tied to favors is THE BIGGEST issue in all this. Over a month not playing and cannot collect any favors. Please just include rank in the comp (its meaningless bragging rights rank anyway - except for its tie to that research). Or, even smarter - disconnect arena rank from non-cosmetic/pvp rewards in terran faction. As others said, its quite insulting to say you were discussing improving that comp to end up with 99% the same thing as before 😦

[agile forum]

all I can say about this is - LOL

[full vine]

What? that's not at all what I said?

The easiest way to win arena matches is PVE, PVP should get you the most points

[bleak crane]

Friendly reminder to stick that 'previous compensation format' where the sun don't shine.

[elfin musk]

Today’s chest was fair. Going back to the prior chests with not enough to pull 2 chests a day is not.

[outer mountain]

@gritty cobalt by "previous compensation format" in the announcement, do you mean precisely what the other chests were? Because in that case, it would be very nice to get that explanation of why it's broken up by player ops when nothing else about arenas is

[jovial atlas]

You NEED to give us rank ups. Our store has been stagnated for over a month.

[glad sluice]

Very disappointed regarding the comp. Players are missing out on increase the arena rank and therefore unable to obtain items in the store.

[solemn void]

Please unlock Terran store then. Arena ranking is not going to happen any thing soon. Can’t get g6 blueprint reduction and in ops 69. Others are probably in the same boat. Just unlock the store.

[full vine]

I got stuck without the G4 discount for like 4 weeks and then got super lucky and got carried by my alliance to get enough wins before they turned arena off, hopefully enough people complain about it this time cause I had people in here telling me to stop being dramatic and that you don't need the Terran store to progress....

[worn jacinth]

@gritty cobalt @clever remnant While we appreciate the compensation chest, so many people are blocked by not being able to gain rep (rank) and unlocking the favours in the store. Could you please unlock the store for the time being? At least until Arenas are back up and working.

[median root]

yes, again the compchest will be based on ops level cause higherops players need more arena emblems for their chest which is more expensive ... right?

[jovial atlas]

No, it was flat comp chest for all this time.

[cyan cypress]

Yes this, i want that efficiency

Rep i could really care less about

[median root]

"Moving forward, we will return to the previous compensation format"

i was not talking about this one time compchest

[cyan cypress]

Which still does 0 good as it doesn't advance our rankings

[median root]

and it is cleary fair, that you as ops63 will get 6700 arena emblems every week, while i'll get 3300 as ops 45

[jovial atlas]

I'm really hoping they mean giving just the emblems and not the credits / MU shards....

If they go back from 8400 they really have lost their minds.

[ivory jungle]

So by the previous format comment. Are we getting a comp chest on Monday for missing another week?

[median root]

yes, this glorious chest based on ops level :/

[low otter]

thank you for providing the 8400 emblems and other materials. despite the delay in issuing them, it does get us moving again on rep and both types of credits.

returning to an ops-based compensation for arena is unsatisfactory. the items in the faction store are no less expensive for an ops 41 than an ops 70. the comp should be either 1) based on rank or 2) flat 8400 for all (which is also much easier to deploy). similarly, as others have stated, players are currently unable to advance rank. consider removing rank requirements for non-cosmetic items.

[soft warren]

<@&509691205798592532> @gritty cobalt How should we rank up to buy something with the arena credits that is worth the work? At this moment we can't get a better rank and all with a higher rank will get stronger and stronger. And the ones with lower rank can't do something. So restart the Arena later will have the same results as before. Bad team rolling causr the high ranks will kill the low ranks without problems.

[worn apex]

@gritty cobalt Thank you for the update on Arenas and the comp. I wholeheartedly disagree with going back to the old compensation though as it punishes lower Ops for no reason whatsoever. These comps should be the same across the board.

[neon heart]

Trying to get scopely to increase arena ranks or remove the ranks needed for the pve stuff is impossible, you'll have better luck getting drunk on the 30th Feb. "It keeps it fair as not everyone does them apparantly" 🤣

[wicked tulip]

THIS. Folks that gamed the broken ranking system when it worked are in Platinum and are able to take the comps and max favors, officers, loot, etc. while those of us five matches from Gold 1 sit and watch as we need to save that loot for some magic day when we can finally rank up again.

[soft warren]

I went down to bronze cause of the matchmakings. So would be happy about every kind of rank up. 😕

[wicked tulip]

Heck, sell an arena rank pack at this point - it would probably make more money than all of this current arc's stuff combined, lol. I am only partially kidding at this point... thats how brainwashed we are in STFC-land 🤣

[wicked tulip]

At Gold 2, losses and wins count the same rank points, so you end up stalled if lucky..... the matchmaking has never been tuned to be competetive. Matching up against a 135 Bill power cube with speed crew ends the match regardless of tactics.

[hybrid scroll]

<@&509690795536941056> Thank you very much for that comp. Thats how pretty much all comps for Arenas should have been and should be🖖

[soft warren]

Selling a pack instead of repair the features and compensate it in the right way? Not a good idea. Maybe scopely reads this and get dollars in their eyes.

[wicked tulip]

Thats how they do most things... thats why it was only partly satire 🙂

[native arrow]

You still need to scrap the tank restrictions on items in the store

[wicked tulip]

Rank can still be tied to cosmetics, and maybe arena-specific research. It makes sense for rank to help you in arenas and for unique cosmetic items. It makes no sense for the non-arena research to be tied to that rank so heavily.

[still charm]

@gritty cobalt - I'm sure I'm not the first to make this suggestion, but at Ops 63, its difficult to even join arena when it is actually working, as making a group is seldom possible. I'd love to participate....can Scopely look into an auto matchmaking format? Sit in a queue and pair up with randoms of similar level/Power? Thanks for the consideration.

[south blade]

Comp chest every time instead of arena. That’s a great improvement.

[ancient hound]

oh yes please " continue investigating the performance issues" the same issue you know about for years cause it's not an arena only problem its our day to day life in this game that started right away with tc addition where the story began of promising fixing lags when there is more than 1 ship on the same map... years of doing nothing but adding more copy paste convoluted content to sell ridiculous priced packs. Just remove it all you know as good as we do that you are unable to ever fix the lag, borg cube ghosting and so on...

[olive minnow]

Ty for the compensation. But it doesn't helps if you have no chance to push you rank up because the useful stuff is still locked. So if you can't bring the arena online in time, we need a different way to climb up the ranks to the really good stuff.

[slender plover]

Considering the constant delay to arena, the ranking requirements should be removed from the research.

Can leave the rep requirement, but rank can only be done if it works, which it doesn’t and probably never will. Let’s face it, you can’t even resolve general lag, but you think you can fix it for arena?

[runic axle]

Ok so firstly...thank you for the arena comp. But i believe you have truly missed the mark in listening to the community. This channel should be labeled as area-suggestions because only PART OF THE FEEDBACK was addressed. If you arent going to provide a way for us to rank up to actually spend the currency provide us a reason as to why you wont do it. We all asked for comp to include a way to rank up or remove rank as a requirement for the efficiencies. Players want to spend less time and resources getting things and we cant without the efficiencies.

[crystal lichen]

These ARENA gifts have been pitiful some ppl build up enough loot to do the big pull everyday and are now out. These comp gift need to be given out so that the progress is not stalled. Just because you cant figure out how to put out a descent product and have to keep trying to say your fixing it shouldn"t mean our progress should be slowed down. MAKE THIS RIGHT!!!!!!

[fringe yew]

ty for gift, most generous (I love field rations)

[grizzled arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lord-has-spoken-again-eric-cartman-south-park-s4e11-probably-gif-21638708

I know this channel isn’t read by Scopely, or if it’s read it’s very selectively
But if you roll out the same comp chest on monday as previous weeks you’re going to tick off most of your playerbase
Not that you care

[copper drum]

These comp chests do nothing for the bronze / silver / etc ranking locks in place. I can / will not advance past 42 without the G4 efficiency, and we can't get that without an opportunity to do arenas. Ive been sitting ~2 wins away since you started cancelling them.

[fickle niche]

@gritty cobalt The current comp chest is great but is missing one crucial item, which is the arena rank progression points. 5 weeks of missed opportunities to rank up is terrible, the comped tokens are useless if the tokens can't be cashed in to unlock the desired items. Please give us a one-off comp with ranking points, could be the worst possible a player could score, say 300 positive rank points a week. 1500 for the total 5 missed weeks? This isn't a huge rank comp, but at least it gives access to some basic items players have wanted since the arena was launched 3 months ago. And as per the announcement, it won't run for the coming week either, that is a lot of missed opportunities to rank up without any player fault and should be highly considered. 1500 rank points would get player access to SILVER IV and it isn't too much to ask for the now 6 weeks of missed Arenas.

[neat hare]

For the record, I did advocate for ranks to be included in the comp. Sadly, they decided to not do it this time (apparently). I hope more posts like this make them aware of how much it's needed. I of course will continue to push for this

[alpine orbit]

Rep would be nice but let's be real, returning to the old compensation is a ridiculous cop out. They KNOW we've all been asking for enough currency to cover 3x pulls daily each week, and they won't even give us that more than once. Absolutely no chance they're giving us rep if they won't even give us that measly request 😂😂

[patent orbit]

Feel like this comp chest was a huge middle finger to everyone, not just those of us that enjoy arenas.

@neat hare thanks for trying.

[turbid wadi]

thanks for trying rev but unfortunately it doesn't seem that valid concerns about ranks in arena is a high priority for the powers that be since its 5 weeks and no dice and soon to be more

[main bramble]

@gritty cobalt since we cant gain arena points and ranks. Can you just close the arena store for everyone? People still collect the daily claim. Allowing to spend on dust and other advantages for those who had unlocked them, giving them a bigger advantage from those who can not because they don't have the ranks yet.

Nobody sees the content, nobody get points, no disadvantage for anyone. We can pretend this content isn't there until its ready.

[frigid bear]

So... when they say "eligible" do they only mean those ops 40+? As this was going to be the first arena for me to start gaining some buildup.

[main bramble]

Don't think its an actual option. People would want their vindicator.

[cold fiber]

Facts. This comp chest is an insult to the players.

[past yarrow]

What about Galatic Invasions?
They were to be twice a month ... and are much better than arenas.

[turbid osprey]

The comp of emblems is enough for 7 days max pull

[grizzled arrow]

This is the opposite of what should happen
Other players gaining an advantage is one thing, shutting down the store to prevent further advantage is another
How about we all get something instead of no one getting anything?
There’s no point in taking away the terran store, you don’t win anything by it
There’s only losing in your proposition

[visual parrot]

Yes, I am very happy. I collected my compensation is very good compensation. I didn’t have to do much at all.

[willow forge]

Shame one person can't play this

[visual parrot]

Got another one. Not really happy but got that sweet little bit of happiness for 30 seconds before o tried to play the game again lol

[willow forge]

Server 51 is toxic

[runic axle]

Any word on when we will get a revised Arena comp or an explanation on how to rank up without the ability to play the game mode that locks ranking up?

[thorn thicket]

The comp chest given today should be the standard flat rate comp chest for all levels when arena is canceled.

[patent orbit]

At least the first event of the year is fitting...."Year of Hell"....🤷‍♂️

[wanton rune]

Arena comp chest was TRASH

[trim crow]

I got full pulls for the whole week. Yes we cant grow the arena classes but its still lot better than division by grades (Which still doesnt make any sense)

[main bramble]

Those who have the ranking can progress the game faster then those who don’t . It’s an unfair advantage. I would say it’s a part of the gameplay if you could rank up

[alpine orbit]

if you read the post, it says they will be returning to the old compensation, i.e. NOT ENOUGH FOR 3x pulls all week...

[strong mortar]

temporally remove rank restrictions until its fixed... later when this mess is fixed perform an arena rank reset... kinda think this should be seasonal anyways with most benefits not tied to rank at all, just through earning credits...

youd think devs would just take the easy win here with players and just remove rank restrictions whilst its broke...

[full vine]

They'd make more money too as people would then want terran credits to unlock stuff

just tie it to your rep level not your rank

[turbid osprey]

Apologies thought the complaint was for these rewards. They should comp for max emblem pulls if they cancel arenas. IMO and many others. Guess I can trade down to doubles for now.

As for the ranking players are complaining about. Bank up your resources and work out strategies to win. I am F2P 47 and platinum ranked. I have not road coat tails to get here. Granted I have lots of game time in my favor. I have an alliance mate that is lucky to get 2 to 3 in due to the BS time frame it runs. But he is fine with earning his rank.

[solar pier]

A lot of people have reached level 40 in the 2 months that arena has been disabled and right now all we can buy is the faction rep. I actually pushed 40 just so I could get this event and the faction ships efficiency and have been unable to access any of it and have had no chance to work for it. I'm fine with putting in the time, just when I have no way to get it, that's kinda screwed up

[turbid osprey]

I could understand that frustration. As for the ship faction cost reduction. So you and anyone reading this knows is more like a 32% reduction. Also hope you have I think 18k uncommon saved for the 4*

[gilded brook]

Hey Scopely . . . . WORST comp chest yet! Equivalent of 5 pulls and some officer shards which aren't that expensive in faction store. So way less then last couple chests when arenas was cancelled. Do you think we can't do math and see that your giving us worse?

[strong mortar]

Odd that.. as it couldn’t say 50% any clearer 🤣

A 1/3 discount isn’t bad though when spending 500k credits

[tawdry sun]

It's 50% cost efficiency, meaning you get 50% more for the same cost, but since they can't give fractions of a bp, they flip it so it reduces the cost. so a 50% efficiency bonus means it costs 33% less

[dusky osprey]

Really think the arena rank should open up options to improve your performance in arena itself, bonuses for the mode. That way those who can play more and enjoy it can play progress and improve, leave the other stuff in there but tied to reputation rank instead. So it will still take participation and time to max and get the pve/non arena rewards

[sly prawn]

Has APAC received any arena comp today? Seems it’s now early day as it was before

[glacial junco]

No

[full vine]

Unless you completely redesign arena there's no way to counter the impulse "meta" the easiest way to win is 2 players on defence while one players lines up the small and big armadas, the people with the fastest ships will win every single time

[silver nebula]

Can we get arena ranking too with it or something like that? Or just remove the rank requirements for now?

[dull pasture]

Impulse limit of 275 in Arena? You’re literally nerfing the only tactic that counters the advantage that big spenders have over free players. What a crock of 💩. Don’t bother actually adressing the underlying cause of lag. Make the free player pay the price for poor code implementation.

[dark solar]

Don't be so negative, it's a test like they said. To evaluate the impact on performance. Standard troubleshooting and if they can confirm the speed is what is causing the issue they can then address it.
Yeah I know I'm naive thinking Scopely will do anything correctly. But give them the benefit of the doubt 😛

[dull pasture]

Scopley used up any “benefit of the doubt” long ago.

[wary roost]

Not really as big spenders have quick ships too. It just takes away one advantage that better players who understand the mechanic have which is equally as rubbish

[full vine]

I for one cannot wait for impulse speed to be capped at 250 and for arena to turn into a purely PVE race to call in 3 big armadas before the opponent does cause by flying over there at 250 speed all you're doing is delaying calling in the big armadas when you could just be farming the directives for your own team

[fickle niche]

what will be the duration of Arena playtest scheduled for tomorrow in APAC?

same 8 hours?

[worn jacinth]

<@&509690795536941056> once again could we please have an unlocked arena-store until the arenas themself are fixed up? All the useful favours (especially the ones reducing Credit-costs for ship-blueprints) are locked behind progression that cannot be achieved.

[bleak crane]

"playtest" but I take it they get full rewards for won/lost rounds

[fickle niche]

@spice scroll

[ancient hound]

coming soon: 10 tier prime arena impulse 99,- for 100 extra impulse

[alpine orbit]

it isn't an advantage, it's bug abuse

it is physically impossible to hit someone with NSEA and full impulse crew because of the server response time

[full vine]

WIld concept, maybe the main way to win arena shouldn't be calling in armadas and should instead be from doing PVP then people wouldn't run impulse crews in the first place

[alpine orbit]

I agree, I don't mind the armada mechanic but it seems a bit out of place in PvP

[ancient hound]

if there actually was at least somewhat balanced pvp but ugh no not this game 😂

[full vine]

they could remove the PVP entierly and have you in 2 neighbouring systems racing to complete armadas before the opponents and it would be a massive improvement

[alpine orbit]

no such thing as balanced pvp in a p2w game, f2p 60 ops would have drastically different PvP capabilities to a whale 60 ops.

[full vine]

or if they just spread arena out over like 2 or 3 days then people would be less condensed doing it at the same time

[ancient hound]

or they could just remove it cause there is so many other things to do already that there is no time for it

[bleak crane]

hold my rippers mod 🙂

[alpine orbit]

I think it should run for a full 24 hour period, they're spreading it across time zones to try and reduce server load but really they should just stop being cheap and improve their infrastructure

[bleak crane]

They know it's mainly heavy player load and still nitpick about nonsense like impulse speed

[alpine orbit]

it isn't nonsense though, the NSEA with high impulse cannot be hit 99% of the time. In the time it takes for the server to respond to a command, it has already hit another hostile, stopping it from being engaged by a player. This has been abused by low ops to win. I understand they're trying to take what little advantage they can, but I have lost more than one match that I absolutely should have won because of this bug abuse. I can't recall my ship, so cannot swap out for high impulse crew of my own to try and combat this.

[bleak crane]

You are talking about balancing, I am talking about stability & performance.

[alpine orbit]

yeah, how long have you played this game? 😂 I've been playing since 2019 and not once has this game been stable or performed well, in an ideal world they would address the stability issues, but this is Scopely. We operate within the realms of reality, I wish they'd upgrade their infrastructure to actually be capable of handling this game without severe connectivity issues, but the game is a cash cow. The owners want minimal expenditure for maximum returns

[full vine]

yeah that's what I meant, it should run for a full 24 - 72 hours

[glacial junco]

Let's see how limiting impulse fixes ship warp freezing or client crashes.

[neat mirage]

Echoing this for visibility. Being unable to rank up means not being able to utilize the arena store.

[turbid wadi]

limitations on impulse speed may be a step in the right direction but I think there is many things they'll have to improve before they can say its good and move onto the next cash cow idea

[teal grail]

@muted badger good afternoon, wasn’t an arena compensation chest announced for today ? Thanks 🙏

[worn jacinth]

Also <@&509690795536941056> how long will the Tournament Store stay open?

[tawny hearth]

wow APAC as a testbed. the players should probably get double rewards and no penalty in addition to compensation since they basically are being used as free labors.

[indigo lagoon]

Prolly should keep this channel about Arena-Feedback opposed to Not-Arena-Feedback. lol

[worn jacinth]

Yeah I got the wrong channel there 😛

[indigo lagoon]

Sorry, I'm just one of those people that are annoying 😄

[grizzled arrow]

Old compensation really shows how out of touch with your playerbase you are. You do not listen

[median root]

at least i get the same amount as an ops62 and they dont get double of what i get without them ever setting foot in arenas

[neat mesa]

Another week and another poor comp chest for not running arenas. Please will you listen to the feedback and remove the progression lock on the store as we can not play and progress.

[outer mountain]

<@&509690795536941056> just want to say thank you for changing the arena comp to be equal across all ops levels, that's a huge improvement for many players and should be celebrated along with y'all running another playtest just to troubleshoot what's happening.

[inner plover]

can you double check that? the original comp is 3400 for g4 players, 4500 for g5 players and 5400 for g6 players.

[outer mountain]

As a G5 I got 5400.

I also checked with a G4 in my alliance and in another alliance, they both reported 5400.

[median root]

everyone i asked got 5,4k, g6 and g4

[outer mountain]

And to continue being thankful for good work, this latest blog post was great @hallow hemlock, appreciate both getting some fun behind-the-scenes details and really appreciate it showing that all of you understand the specific pain points we've seen in arenas and are working to address them.

Hopefully in evaluating whether speed caps are necessary elsewhere they'd be put in place in a very limited fashion, I know a lot of us have spent effort chasing anything that boosts impulse speed just because it makes hostile grinding so much less painful.

[normal robin]

Here's an idea that alot of us can get behind. Scrap the arena already! I miss it as it is being a US player in an APAC server due to the timing of it being started and ending while I'm sleeping 😴

[bleak crane]

Man how much I'd like to have a chat with Luke

[low otter]

thanks for removing the ops-based compensation and setting everyone to the formerly-g6 quantity. being able to double pull 6 days and triple pull once is much better. my stance is the defacto should still be 8400 while players are unable to participate.

@hallow hemlock this article was a lot better. it came off as much more down to earth and included some better insight into actual changes, open challenges, and a glimpse of the path forward.

@muted badger welcome back. i'll echo what a lot of other people have said here about the impulse change. it would be good to see a solution to some of the performance issues. however, a change like that will severely limit strategy options. 275 impulse can be obtained by a single officer and some research. many times speed would be the only way we could beat a higher ops team. that will no longer be an option if these changes are implemented.

please recommend a change to the matchmaking to accompany the impulse change. matchmaking based on ops is ultimately the right way to go. rank is a shiny object, but has no real impact. the current matchmaking can be taken advantage of as we've previously discussed. there needs to be something in place that tightens the matchups without tightening the group composition (e.g. still letting me group with people +/- 7 ops.

if the performance is fixed, but matchups become even more lopsided, then there is unlikely to be any improvement to player experience. in fact, it will likely be worse. poor performance affects everyone playing. increasingly uneven matchups only hurts the losing team.

[gray scroll]

What an absolutely ridiculous time to put the arena playtest at, 9pm for me and a sizeable group from my alliance, means pretty much no gametime. APAC as usual getting a slap in the face

[fluid current]

There is no point to arenas if you are going to limit impulse speed. Either fix the lag or cancel the arenas. No one wants to play slow mode arena

[keen sigil]

most of us just want to PLAY arenas lol

[hidden dragon]

Restricting impulse speed in Arena is NOT the way to go forward! If I wanted that I could go play a game of chess or turn based strategy stuff. One Arena Accomodates 6 players with a total of 12 ships, relying on finger presses or mouse clicks for inputs. Any 1st person shooter allows more inputs, more players per map / server with a flawless performance. The solution is not to restrict the players, but to think outside the box.

• Have each arena server on separate software instance (as a quick fix)
• Rewrite the netcode how arena works. RTS is not new. Starcarft, Command and Conquer and many other have figured this out, so go figure it out.

[steep brook]

275 speed cap in arenas, is that a joke? So instead of fixing the issue you want to remove the only tactical choice players have when facing a stronger team? You remove an aspect of the game you have designed because you have not been good enough at programming so that the system can handle your own design. I would rather take the bad excuse for a compensation chest for lack of arenas, than go into an arena where tactics are more or less a thing of the past. We want arenas to be good, not just playable. This way you remove so much of the joy, you might as well not host them

[steep brook]

This comment right here is one that really ticks my nerve, as you are trying to shift the blame for your utterly poor handling of your own system to be the fault of the hardware your players are using.

1. First of all, you do realize this is a mobile game you have published and not a game that requires stationary computers to run, right? And with that in mind, shouldn't your systems be designed to handle and deliver the data so that people playing on mobile have a decent experience?

2. And even with a stationary computer that costs about 4k£ and has decent specs, and a landline internet connection (not wireless) with 500/500mbit fiber, you still get the same desynch and rubber banding issues that you say is due to the inability of the users system to handle the responses in game. This sounds like a poor excuse to try and hide how badly designed and programmed this game is to handle your arenas.

So please own up the mistakes you have made, don't try to come with excuses trying to make the user looking like the culprit in what clearly is a game issue and not a user hardware issue.

[wet scaffold]

I really have to post my POV:
arenas have been broken for some time now, we were promised several improvements for months now amd instead of improvement we get restrictions. If you have issue with “speed” limit arena to 2vs2 not by limiting impulse speed ! That is ridiculus! What comes next power limitation? 🙈
For god sake. Arenas are being abandoned by majority of players due to already present limits and bugs/lag, don’t male it even worse or you end up with dead mechanics noone wants to take part

[turbid wadi]

kinda sounds like they don't wanna own up to making a system/code that directly can't compute with the legacy code. Then on top of that they throw the blame on impulse or a player's mobile phone like its not 2025 and almost everyone has better than average connection speeds on wifi or hardwired/cellphone data plan's. I can understand not wanting to admit your mistakes but blaming the issue on the players who btw keep all of you employed and your wallets fat with money isn't right. Lets see what the tests will say and prove that it ain't on us but a system that can't handle current game demands.

[full vine]

my game lags on a gigabit connection and a PC with a 19-12900k, 3080TI and 32GB's of DDR5 RAM, it absolutely isn't peoples devices at fault lol

[polar phoenix]

Please just remove the rep requirements to unlock arena research

[neon heart]

Much easier to blame the players connections and devices than the bad coding of arenas, it's still not going to solve the problems with arenas considering majority of people complain about how terrible match making is, all it's going to do is make it easier for the bigger players to wreck everything else. I'll be shocked if it actually improves anything

[median heath]

arena test today? as if i aint got enough stuff to do as it is. hard pass

[surreal sorrel]

do it, we can’t find a match 😆

which is one problem with random testing arena poorly announced

<@&509690795536941056> first bit of apac feedback - no one’s playing because it’s not obvious enough it’s on 🫤

[fallen gust]

Can't test arena because my entire 80 player alliance has stopped trying 🤣

[normal ledge]

Wrong we played same team twice matchmaking at its finest.

[surreal sorrel]

lol i love when you get the same team you keep thrashing over and over again tbh

[normal ledge]

Feedback so far

• definitely less lag feels more responsive ship movements.

• matchmaking still very questionable. Clearly when opponents have higher ops players your team already has a disadvantage with the speed change its even worse. Where is the forfeit button?

• now the strategy changes if u a weaker player u have no chance to win now. Ships are almost impossible to escape with the speed restrictions so I guess buffs and debuffs (not like we have limited juice already for them from other events) will play more of a part to an extent.

• You can also use the creative movements it sometimes works like sudden stop of your ship and change direction breaks the auto target / hit of opponent where their ship literally just stops. But because it’s less lag and more responsive movements that is harder to do.

• Spenders / whales prob will love it since your arena favours and general ships / tech will make u feel tougher and u can go around killing everyone who can no longer escape now. As long as u dont face someone tougher than u of course.

Example of matchmaking now determines the win even more then before.

[surreal sorrel]

haha that first one is my alliance… abe and noodles are beasts, poor you

[normal ledge]

Before a lower ops player who had no chance of competing with a higher ops ship to ship could strategically still have a chance with fast moving ships moving in and out of armadas etc now they got almost no chance at all due to speed limit and less lag they can’t escape at all.

[cerulean otter]

Or 2 lv64 and a 67 against a 68 69 and 70.

[normal ledge]

I don’t mind a challenge what I don’t like is when it’s down to pure who has spent more so their tech is far better with no other options it’s just not fun

Combine that with the fact that u waste even more of the buff and debuff juice we recently use in other events along with instant repair speedups is diminished the experience greatly

Don’t get me wrong loving the less lag and more responsiveness but it’s killed a strategic aspect of arenas that let lower players actually achieve a win.

[cerulean otter]

Unless you can match more fairly. Maybe limiting it to g3/g4 ships. Make it worthwhile. Arenas are going to become starbase 2.0

[normal ledge]

Matchmaking issue now completely breaks the arena game.. explain how anyone has a chance in this matchup even more with the speed limit?

[cerulean otter]

Like the min/max lv of the players participating is the min/max of the opponents

[normal ledge]

How are 70 players even allowed to match against teams without any. Let alone 2x70s and a 69?

Give us a forfeit button to stop wasting time with these matchups

[surreal sorrel]

as someone in my gc said “maybe running on short notice in between bps wasn’t the best idea for engagement” - it’s all the diehards

[mint skiff]

Lag is basically gone now, that's great.

Used to be able to outrun the bigger ships & still have a chance, no chance at all now. If someone's got a tier of ship higher than you e.g. lvl 64 player vs 66, you just go AFK.

We need a forfeit button or some way to back out so we don't waste 10 minutes over and over and over..

Largest alliance on 193 & it took us 45 minutes to get a team together as most people can't be bothered with this, rather get the free daily chest & do something else.

[surreal sorrel]

they should’ve either made rank static or made it upwards only

[normal ledge]

Or fix the matchmaking

[surreal sorrel]

to me it ‘feels’ more smooth but ships are still in weird positions etc

[mint skiff]

Cube lag is very much still a thing

[surreal sorrel]

yeah cubes need to be barred from arena

also coz of beam, if i can’t cloak why should they beam?

[mint skiff]

And if a ship stops suddenly that you were headed to attack, your ship doesn't re-target automatically, you have to hit attack again

[normal ledge]

Yeps that’s the creative method I said to use to have a 0.1% chance to maybe win lol but that issue is the same outside of arenas too

[mint skiff]

Matchmaking's also taking a long time, perhaps because people don't realise it's on

<@&509690795536941056> Come on man.... How's this allowed to happen?

[gritty cobalt]

hows the APAC playtest going??

[mint skiff]

See above

[gritty cobalt]

just abe's team is 201, right?

[normal ledge]

Correct

[mint skiff]

Haha I just realised you were one of the ones we gave up on

[normal ledge]

Yeps I put u as an example too that matchup shouldn’t have happened

[mint skiff]

This is quickly going to be a bunch of lonely guys at the top beating each other up while everyone else plays something else

[gritty cobalt]

thanks guys

so the tech issues improved, right?

[surreal sorrel]

yes/no, it ‘feels’ smoother but there’s still glitches etc with ships

[normal ledge]

The lag and responsiveness has yes. I haven’t seen the other issues I mentioned before yet like ships stuck in warp, showing matching when others in team are in the arena etc

[surreal sorrel]

the impulse speed throttle, while understandable, really kills strategy if you’re not the fun side of the matchup equation

[gritty cobalt]

what kind of glitchesss, like delay or rubberband behavior?

[surreal sorrel]

cubes are still often nowhere near where they seem to be, hostiles attacks never happen etc

also beam should be disabled for arena, if i can’t use cloak… ?

[mint skiff]

That happens everywhere though

[normal ledge]

Yeah the typical old problems that exist outside of arenas still there cubes since day 1 graphically appear frozen most of the time despite their position actually changing.
Noticed mostly in waves too but happens tc and normal game too just lesser extent.

[surreal sorrel]

one last random bit of feedback - would it have killed them to include a couple of speedup tokens in all these comp chests

[exotic zephyr]

fix the matchmaking , or stop deducting points from ranks at least , if you win you get points if not , you keep your rank level

[gritty cobalt]

We are actively reviewing the matchmaking system. However, in my opinion, stopping the deduction of points wouldn't be a good solution, as it could lead to win trading and undermine the competitive aspect of the game.

[surreal sorrel]

don’t think anyone is saying stop all together… but a loss should cost you half as much rank as you gain from a win

that’s how many games do it

also, “who has opened their wallet the most or gamed the matchmaking with their ops spread the best” is hardly competitive lol.. competitive would be all grade within grade or similar

[fickle niche]

Ship management screen in Arena system, every time. fine when back to normal system

[gritty cobalt]

funky send me your device details please

[mint skiff]

It does until plat, then it's the same, just lost a rank after half a dozen matches vs OP players (compared to us)

[normal ledge]

Agreed to an extent. I don’t see an easy solution to all matchmaking issues but how do u propose to address things like this?

Remember APAC already has less servers less pool of players in total when u constantly match the same teams like the above think what the experience feels like?

Especially when it’s full loss of ranks full loss of points instant repairs buff debuff juice etc.

Now with a speed limitation limiting one strategic aspect it’s even worse.

No forfeit button literally makes those matches waste of time for the losing side.

[exotic zephyr]

free to play have no chance to advance in ranking , win ratio is very small , 5 matches so far 0 win , bronze and silver should be doable for all , gold and platinum , apply the +/-

[sullen flicker]

No Krisharra please. Obviously a lag source. As well as Borg cube. We have had games with and without cubes and had a massive difference

[mint skiff]

Yup in one now with no cubes, amazing. Slow, but amazing

[sullen flicker]

Matchmaking In apac will be an apac issue and I accept that. It’s not fun for some ppl but if the lag is addressed then at least those games will be fun

[silver mauve]

When you see matchmaking like this, you should think again about whether this isn't like using a cannon to kill a fly.
Scoply shouldn't be surprised that players leave the game for good when they're shown this way and can only watch because any kind of action leads to nothing.
In addition, the aspect of speed crews, i.e. a possible tactic, has now been taken away, which only reinforces the effect of the powerlessness of the smaller players.

@gritty cobalt
It would be nice if you reconsidered this and at least pursued other solutions.

[sullen flicker]

Yep. It’s the beam calculation. It’s over calculating.

[mint skiff]

Cube positioning's been broken for a long time outside of arena, so it just compounds upon other problems

[fickle niche]

on PC

[sullen flicker]

If you really wanted to make it interesting: only faction ships, matchmaking by ship banding (eg team of g5 epics vs g5 epics) and no kirsharra, no lower decks.
Just simple restricted environment for a PvP mini game.

[surreal sorrel]

nah im gold and loss is same as win

[surreal sorrel]

heard about your enormous krencha in ac 😆

[mint skiff]

Really, plat's 800 both ways

[surreal sorrel]

i’m now getting lots of hostile targeting errors, ‘connection drop outs’ etc, 201 on pc, my internet is fine

and some reports of the ship bar error - ship bar disappears halfway through match, only solve is to restart which in a tight match is an issue

[sullen flicker]

It’s pretty big, but no point if the game lags out so much.

[mint skiff]

Another way to help make it better would be prevent it from matching the same teams multiple times in a row

[sullen flicker]

Fix lag first, matchmaking will sort itself out when the game actually works…. Think of all those new players

[waxen star]

Or make it ture pvp and more like assaults than killing hostiles and armada..
Maybe it's a pop bases and get x resource until one side gets enough .... make it actually pvp and not fighting hostiles

[sullen flicker]

I had an idea to make it only “arena shuttles” that level up and get buffs completely independently from the main game.
Monetise the skins for the shuttles,… I’d love to fly around in a delta flyer, runabout, etc,

[waxen star]

Realta only haha

[fallen gust]

Competitive aspect of the mode isn’t even a primary concern for Scopely. If it was we wouldn’t even have this travesty of a design