💣-arena-feedback

[safe fox]

oops another one

[ornate kayak]

I literally hate arenas so much!

[simple prairie]

lag was bad ships with out speed crew will be flying across the map and when trying to target stuff you shop will not go towards it well thats what it was like for me anywys

[safe fox]

every team just has one high level its complete bs that cant queue with your friend that are similar lvl to u

[jovial moon]

Arena is again unplayable laggy

[dark solar]

Worst lag since launch, worst tracking since launch, same bugs still with ships stuck in combat, stuck in preparation phase, ship UI missing..

[sly prawn]

targetting lag was insane tonight, all actions movements delayed. not worth to mentioned the ship de-positioning anymore... overall no improvement realised.
only point noticed... less players ... people give rightly up on that thing

[obtuse geyser]

Same experience as me, very disappointed

[pearl frigate]

lots of lag, had to reboot plenty of times at the start as it kept showing 0s but couldnt warp in. Then on top at the end you get this nonsense over and over

[simple prairie]

@sly prawn that last line is so true the 3 matches i did ended up been against people from my server

[sly prawn]

yup and got matched 5 times against the same ops 70. no thanks.

also , if notworthy given the current instability of the game, havent had this many crashes when trying to "enter match" than this week. so best to pull the plug , arenas need a general overhaul not worth the time

[simple prairie]

agree im happy that i just got the g4 thing that makes it cheaper

[fair creek]

best thing today, a korinar tried to attack my pilum, went against it with my tribune the second it passed by it, the tribune decided the target was at the far left of the playing field and went there, destroying the korinar half a screen to the right standing besides my pilum but never arrived.

and yes, i manageed to stay inside the armadacircle while standing 2 cm next to it

cant make that sound any better, thats how confuzzled the shipposition displayed is

[fallen gust]

Why do you run APAC a day early when it’s your weekend so you can then ignore the APAC performance issues only to come in to work the next day and be surprised that the rest of your player base are experiencing the same issues as the players that just run hours earlier?

[neon heart]

Simple answer is scopely can't work out how to actually run arenas that people wont consistently week after week complain about the same old garbage that scopely "fixes" and yet it's the exact same garbage

[muted badger]

Wew don't ignore APAC, but I do see your point about not having anyone on to monitor performance for Arenas in that region. I'll talk with the mods and see what we can do.

[neon heart]

Really could do with changing the dates for arenas as well, been suggested SOO many times yet gets ignored immediately. Genius idea to run arenas and mining event on the same day completely screwing anyone who wants to mine and do some arenas, but I guess as long as the whales are happy screw everyone else.

[odd bough]

Arena lag is insane today. You can't do anything. And constant crashing, ships getting stuck, timers are all off. It is horrible.

[austere jackal]

I keep getting kicked form the game.

[pastel skiff]

Just had an arena where it would not let any of my ships enter. I had to restart

[unique robin]

match making is so crap that in an alliance of 100+ super active players, people no one but 9 people want to do these

[warm pendant]

I'll do you one favor to increase stabilty... give me an "I want to lose for 7 matches button" Boom server saves a few crunch times and I get what I want out of this nightmare

[unique robin]

Bro the whales hate these 🤣

[thick verge]

I keep getting an arena countdown stuck at 0.0. then I need to restart the game.

also I still find the matchmaking pretty bad. the way people team up to beat the system: level 61, 53, 49 (for example). gets matched against us 53,53,54 and the 61 beats the crap out of us. and this happens very regularly.

[fallen gust]

The top team on APAC has an arena score of 50k and the team is a 66,59 and a 52. 5k ahead of the nearest which are ops 70s 😂 they just farm the algorithm

[unique robin]

No one should be forced into a match where 1 player literally outpowers 3 combined like that. Or a team of all G5 go against G6 players

[lament bloom]

And here we go again lvlb50 900b ship spreading everything

[indigo night]

The problem with "average" is that each OPS level isn't a single equal step up in power compared to each other OPS level. 3 OPS 40's wouldn't come close to a solo OPS 60, and they'd have "double" the OPS level average.

[dark solar]

Yes I know, that's why I have been saying at least ten times here that the average ops matchmaking is not good. Change it to highest ops or at least average for two biggest

[compact plaza]

add ability to invite folks from other alliances to a battle arena...

[cunning tendon]

Not touching arena anymore. Dead mechanic in my eyes. Between matchmaking and bugs, it’s worse than a waste of time.

[weak heron]

Just in case people want to try and say there’s less negative feedback, have this one:

Bronze 2/3 Ops 42 vs Silver Ops 46 and 50…. Comically bad.

Not even dignifying that match with sending a ship out.

Just a waste of ten minutes of useful game time, for all involved

[neon heart]

Listen to the fanboys who keep saying it will get better as ranks sort themselves out 🤣 Though I haven't heard anyone say that lately. Match making is garbage, has been since day 1. Probably get fairer matches with Fifa

[pastel skiff]

All seven matches that I've been in today had an opponent whose average ops level was three above ours

And top power several hundred million above ours

[lilac flame]

Lag has made arenas unplayable for everyone in my alliance. This week is the worst it has been.

[weak heron]

Matchmaking when it works works fine, and for the most part it is doing its job. There are however glaring issues with the “need” to match people and the spread of ops people can use.

[turbid wadi]

screenshots like this is what i believe need to be shown when team A's combined power doesn't even match team b's stongest person their should be auto forfeit. tbh it should never even happen it isn't that hard to properly code it only hard to have it implemented. I may be a very weak 53 but if i start a match and get 2 teamates with me i shouldn't have to worry about the other team having someone that can solo all 3 of us ever period end of story never should happen.

[weak heron]

It shouldn’t even be auto forfeit, it should be a failure to match at given %ages.

[neon heart]

Agreed, it's just typical of scopely to completely and utterly ignore that fact. Has been the same thing from day it came out, they've "improved" it and yet it's the exact same rubbish week in week out

[weak heron]

It’s getting worse as they annoy more people out of participation with the “need” to hold rank and the ever increasing lag.

[turbid wadi]

ya i can agree on that i said forfeit just cause it seems the powers that be prefer we get stuck for 10 minutes lol

[weak heron]

Less people = less teams = less good matches.

The cycle continues in a doom spiral of failure.

Tying reward availability to rank is the single defining feature that is screwing arenas to a cross.

[neon heart]

100%, they need to do something to actually improve match making, less and less people playing them is going to make it far far worse and yet scopely can't accept that. Won't do anything to try and fix it, at least that's how I see it given the "improvements" made, they may as well close this channel down since they clearly don't have any interest in reading feedback

[weak heron]

People would accept lag and bad matches much more willingly if failure didn’t mean losing access to important favours in the process.

One victory away from the favours I wanted access to, I get dealt two awful matches.

Right back to square one.

May as well have sat and watched MAFS for all the “enjoyment” I got out of this.

[turbid wadi]

I'm at lowest rank even after a month of trying this feature just cause everytime i rank up i somehow start losing every match until I'm at 0 again its soooo much fun being forced into a pvp style of gameplay and i can't get anywhere. Dont get me wrong i get refines from it but everything that is worth getting is locked behind area's i cant get to due to this wonderful ranking metric system

[tardy eagle]

As someone who had tried to enjoy Arenas, I'm done with them scoply. The lag is recently unbelievable and the matches are at a all time high of how bad. If matching with same group 4 times in a row isn't enough, matching with untouchable 70s is not fun. Losing reputation or whatever it is, im over it. You can try to match all the 70s now with nobody wanting to play. Thanks

[dense valve]

☝️

[ripe ingot]

Played 5. won one against own server. Lost one where I was highest in my group 59, their highest 64, all ships dead very quickly so forfeit. Two matches where I could not get in, had to restart twice. Last one ships in battle. So points go backwards,. Please try and fix the lag.

[sharp hemlock]

Completely agree. Matchmaking this week has been the best it's been for me and my team this week.

There's always gonna be outliers but people expect perfection which isn't gonna happen, ever.

And to many give up without even trying. I've won matches we shoulda never won and lost ones we should. Always with having a go, instead sitting back and throwing toys out.

Technically far better than last week too. Still needs work and still having plenty issues but it was "better" which is something

[weak heron]

I feel like we’re sort of saying different things.

The problem is now that so many people have given up, there’s vanishingly small chances of good matches.

You can make matchmaking the best system in any game ever, but as soon as your player base diminishes it falters, and it has to.

[sharp hemlock]

Re-read and yeah I guess so.

But people still have a need too be perfectly matched and whine if they don't. Yet prob very quiet when it works in their favour.

Not having it that every single match ever is against them.

[weak heron]

We had a couple of matches where it worked “well” although technically a couple of them we played above our station, but they were the exception this week.

[celest shoal]

Hey <@&509690795536941056> @muted badger $copley.... maybe do something about having to reset your game 3 times MID-Arena match to be able to get a ship UNSTUCK from warp .... thanks

[weak heron]

I will play any match where an outside chance lands us a hope of a win, but a 46 is a reach for a team of 42s and a 50 is a joke.

I’ll play one or two 46s for funsies.

[unique robin]

thats the most fair matchup I've seen lol

[weak heron]

Put me a 46 and a 50 up and I’m not entertaining sending ships.

[sharp hemlock]

This is where tactics come into play tho. I've been in a team of all g5 players against a 59 and 2 in their 60s and won

It is always possible

[coral onyx]

Had a match up were we got thrashed, only to get matched against the same team.. THAT IS NOT FUN

[celest shoal]

You would think after the DUMPSTER FIRE of lag there was just LAST week .... that maybe they would have put a little more effort into it ... but maybe it's Christmas Vacation time for their web techs

[weak heron]

It isn’t. I can PvP crew to my hearts content, their 50s Protector with a speed crew is an immovable object for my ships and my ships are the big ones on that team.

[ancient hound]

you got* rlb and xlb not enough effort?

[unique robin]

Tactics, yeah I've had a team of all G5 win against 2 lvl 70s but thats not the point, that type of match up shouldnt be a thing

[plain aurora]

lol what a luck...
last match (we 47/50/50) a 56 with 660m sompec and t11 timecrystal... no chance...
but that isnt all... 2 times starttimer stuck at 0... restartopponent round about 300 points... stuck in battle stuck in warp... lag position i see the ship wasnt where the ship was AND SO ON! FIX MATCHMAKING AND TECHNIK!

[unique robin]

If you have a team of all G_WHATEVER players they should not be tiered up

[weak heron]

I should consider myself lucky that we didn’t get that this time

If Scopes want to call that a win then I think we have different ideas of success.

[unique robin]

I'd rather spend extra time in match making than go against all G6s that 1-2 players alone out power an entire team

[weak heron]

Same.

[unique robin]

This is beyond the issues why arena failled the first time

[weak heron]

Given the loss penalty and the inability to say “no, we’re losing that” so tying your game up for ten minutes, spending more time matchmaking isn’t a bad thing.

[gentle orchid]

Why schedule Arenas on a Monday when Lat Rush is going on? Anyone who is mining won’t participate until they are done because their miners will auto recall from token space. Also scheduling it for 1 day/week for a limited time automatically excludes anyone who can only play late at night or early in the morning. I’d much rather see a score of zero for losing as opposed to a negative score.

[unique robin]

because they don't play they game they build, full stop they don't understand what acutal players want

[weak heron]

I’m just really confused how we have managed to go from “Arenas is good, but needs a little work” to “This is awful, just give up”.

[ancient hound]

mining... 🤢 🤮

[weak heron]

Even by STFC standards that kind of decline is pretty unusual.

[strong heron]

Can we just move to a format for arenas that nullifies all research, buffs, FT's and makes us pick standard ships to battle for arenas? Like give us G6 epics to battle with... the matchmaking issues and all the FT, research and buffs make it pretty much pay to win.

If you implement that, we can even get rid of all the player level requirements since no one would have an advantage based on the format specified above.

[knotty lantern]

Because people were still hopeful it wasn't as shi tas it was from the get go. But with player numbers declining further they had to accept reality 😅

[strong heron]

It could have been awesome... but now it just depends on $$$ lol.

[tardy eagle]

I would blame it on the lag issues as of late and the penalty of losing none stop which loses rank and access to claims.

As a 65. I get matched with 70s who I can't out tactic even with what people here try to preach. Nothing I can do or outrun especially with the lag.

[strong heron]

@muted badger Wonder if the game population would be open to this idea.

[brazen matrix]

🍿

[steep slate]

Does scopely actually listen to feedback?

[unique robin]

It doesn't the people on my server, once they max the rep there is literally negative incentive to play. "Oh I can only lose rep, well then not going to play"

Is it locked rep so you can help lower level people play? No, and its terrible match making, why play?

[brazen matrix]

I wont be

[unique robin]

<@&509690795536941056>would be nice if you passed our feedback along

but lets get another spend event out right?

"Quality over Quantity"

[strong heron]

See #💣-arena-feedback message. That is what I propose. If you are already done with max rep... that means you have it good. A lot of us struggle to even rep up. 😛

[coral onyx]

Community managers don't run the event management. That's not fair to blame them. They are communcating our pain, and Hammy was asking earlier if things were better. He passes on the feedback. (I know that Hammy actually plays too so is experiencing the pain himself when the US arenas start)

Any fix is going to take time (and money). The fact they keep asking if there has been improvements means they are making changes and seeing if they have the desired effects

It is difficult to simulate load from multiple people across the regions and their relative latency. Plus the diverse crews and tech we are running

[unique robin]

"Any fix is going to take time and money"? I'm sorry what, they don't get enough money??

Take your shilling somewhere else, they make enough money to fix this, by week one. The money people pump into this game easily suprasses their yearly salary

[coral onyx]

IT teams aren't cheap, environment hosting isn't cheap.

[unique robin]

This is a billion dollar a year game IT teams are beyond paid for

[coral onyx]

Wow turn it down a bit mate. No need for insults

I've already given feedback on some issues. I understand there are issues, I also work in IT and see the costs involved.

[unique robin]

and being in the IT field, AI has made their jobs much easier, shill yourself

[coral onyx]

No need for insults, good way to get yourslef banned

[unique robin]

time and man power is past paid for, its time for them to start to listen

tHeY nEeD mOrE mOnEy AnD tIMe

[coral onyx]

I've blocked and reported Sportmotor, no need for that. I'm not shilling, just understand

[steep slate]

I will protect buggy here IT services are not cheap and upkeeps alone is expensive. I work as a Network Engineer and I know the costs involved here and implementing changes are not easy as they need to be planned so there is no downtime so time and costs is involved in any business

[unique robin]

I can give a IT team a million dollars and they'd absolutely fix this game, heck I could 3 coders 250K to fix basic issues and it'd get done

Scopey is making a BILLION DOLLARS and can't fix match making, this isn't call of duty

[tardy eagle]

It's easy to fix Arenas in my opinion. Remove the penalty of negative rank and I will sit through bad matches and lag.

No point to play if I only go backwards and if not playing is only way to get attention to that fact, maybe we should all not do Arenas . Tail spanking and penalty for getting pushed against a 70 matchup is not what I call a good time

[celest shoal]

Sorry Buggy, but the time & money thing doesn't fly ... $copley make plenty of money shoving pack after pack and pay2play things down our throats ....
Yes Hammy doesn't make the changes himself and is a messenger ... but the since he and the Community Managers are here on that "front line" ... that is their job... to put on a flak jacket and take the grenades.

[coral onyx]

Note I said time with money in brackets. IE the main factor is time. Everyone seems to be missing that

[celest shoal]

I don't think we'll ever see a "no points" scenario... because that is common sense that you would see people simply back out if they "knew" (or thought) they couldn't win.
BUT ... a Forfeit/Conceed button (that more than just myself have been clamoring for) would make things go more smoothly and save the "10 minutes wasted"

[unique robin]

Extend the match making times and set easy rules (IF G5 only group with G5 [or 4] if this amount of power group with x amount of power)

[steep slate]

With any change to services takes time as it needs to be planned as if they just make a random change and service goes down you would be complaining about not able to get on the game and saying there incompetent

[unique robin]

A single player shouldn't over power an entire team, all G whatever, shouldnt be forced against a higher G player group

[steep slate]

The only thing I want is to be listened too and to know things are going to be changed in the near future

[unique robin]

It doesnt even matter if you are in the VIP server they don't care

"I'll pass it on!"

[tardy eagle]

I would disagree sir.. there is no current way to back out and you still need to play to get the trophy's win or lose. At least don't take away my claims because the dumb loss of rank because clearly I would never choose to go up against a giant .

[unique robin]

This will end up like the first arenas in the game, abandoned

Much for the same reasons, only they doubled down to make weekly events and a refinery

Beta Paldorios for those intrested

[muted badger]

Oof. That might be tricky. Peeps like their research and FT/CT buffs...

[runic isle]

They're really good rewards for the pain and suffering. Need to feed the whales krill, so it meets that need. 8 hour timer needs to exist for enough krill to be in one spot to be eaten. It would be nice for the arena to rotate 6 day or 8 day so more krill can participate. Krill keep asking for a chance to be beaten up, so let's work towards that please.

[lyric fossil]

A 6 day rotation would be awesome.

[unique robin]

It wouldnt promote money spending so it wont happen

5-6 day rotation, lose the negative impact of losses = profit

add new icons every month for stupid costs to keep income

[lyric fossil]

I dont mind the negative impact of losing but I think the daily chest claim should be the same across all ranks

especially since its almost impossible to play through the lag

[unique robin]

you lose people who have topped out rep from playing, implement a lock system at the very least and you can get them playing again. Right now besides lag issues of a limited pool of players is causing bad match making which drives people away. You can refine match making with a larger pool if you can get people into the pool.

[lyric fossil]

Well I dont think you lose the rep, just the rank itself.

But there are people who yes, have probably already gotten everything they want from the store and are no longer playing

Once I get enough to get the G5 efficiency I will probably stop playing

[unique robin]

They aren't helping the people who haven't shrinking the player pool. Why play if you lose the rank from trash matchups. Lock atleast at levels

[lyric fossil]

I could see seasons like they do territories and once you get to silver you cant dip back into bronze until next season

[charred gazelle]

Lag so bad arena is totally unplayable. My ships, both, locked in combat for over 60 seconds, then match ends

[lyric fossil]

and every season you drop a rank

[unique robin]

That's a fair way to go too

[lyric fossil]

so if you make it to Plat you start the following season at Gold

[runic isle]

Lag is universal, so your opponents are experiencing it and beating you? Sounds fair.

[lyric fossil]

The people I have been playing doesnt seem like they have any lag 😄

[charred gazelle]

Yes, I lost both battles 😏

[unique robin]

Ill be honest if I want to be cheap Ill throw a cube with speed crew in the arena and lag out the opposite team

[runic isle]

Yeah, I haven't had much lag. Some of those Armada ghosts, but not sitting around for 60 sec without being able to move

[unique robin]

completely messes up everyone's ship locations, cause scopely wants to keep adding MORE IMPULSE but wont fix the issues with it

want to really mess up the other team, 2 cubes all impulse speed with impulse exos, then we can play WHERES MY SHIP REALLY

[lofty dome]

Don't we all love it when we get hit by ships on the other side of the system 🤣

[vagrant linden]

arena is totally “fixed” thanks for the great job guys

[fair creek]

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

[compact plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/fine-this-is-fine-dumpster-fire-everthing-is-fine-everything's-fine-gif-5346788180818199782

[vagrant linden]

100%

[compact plaza]

I get matchups where I"m a 63 and the other group has no one over 60 ... total blood bath... then I get matchups whre I have to deal with two other 63-64... sometimes a 66 and yeah I'm the bloodbath 😄

[vagrant linden]

hahahahahah just finished another match against a 64 players, 2 ships around 4bil each parked where we was going into system and we couldn’t be there for more than 2 seconds

at least you are lucky to slaughter some

[torpid gust]

Congrats, you somehow made it even worse

I couldn't start an armada against half the targets. I started an armada and it had an extra 30 seconds on the timer. One of my alliance mates couldn't attack half their players. Well done.

Maybe stop matching low ops players from new servers against megacampers from very old servers, that'd be great

Oh and I had to restart the game to even see that we were in a match

[rich cove]

Come on people what do you expect? Keep giving them money if you do that and the result will be nothing being fixed. More of a crap game.

[torpid gust]

Who said I gave them money?

[ashen iris]

Arena is totally lagging

[vagrant linden]

i buy the pass 20$ each month

thats alot of money for a game who is more broken than fixed

[idle gale]

Spent a fair amount of time already today trying to get a 3rd player to do arenas. No one joined. Not sure I'll get credits this week with this broken arena system.

[stoic sigil]

we did a few arena's and the only issues we had was a bit of lag and the armada directives are 15-20 seconds slow showing up

[winter mulch]

Top tier content

[obtuse hatch]

For the love of God fox the match ups, how is it I am on a a 40-48 group and matched to a 49 player.

[compact plaza]

lag totally started hitting hard... starts but can't join without a restart... the usual at this point

[sage shuttle]

Poor Scopely! Either they take all the Terran research and the ship out of Arenas and Arenas die, or they keep it as it is and Arenas die more slowly.
It could have been, should have been brilliant, it just ain't 😂

[celest shoal]

You made my point exactly ... to "allow" someone to back out w/out any sort of loss then people will "choose" to do so unless they are assured victory ... then nobody will participate period ... but give a Forfeit/Conceed button ... and then at least we don't waste that 10 minutes.

[brisk rapids]

Cause this is a completely fair and balanced match up...

[celest shoal]

Hey I just got done doing 3 straight against a 66 who had 2 6B power ships ... against our team (me being the strongest at 63... pre T9 G6 uncommon)

[verbal ore]

My feedback is that the 8h window is ridiculous.

I’d comment on arenas itself but I’ve been able to try it only once thanks you your nutso scheduling and we didn’t have the foggiest idea what to do. All I hear about is lag and crashes.

Thus endeth my feedback

[celest shoal]

I am in no way saying the matchups are fair.... but that's why we NEED a Forfeit/Conceed button @muted badger
That and for you guys to fix the lag in the Arena... this is unplayable

[tardy eagle]

How did I make your point. Giving a concede would definitely do what you are claiming a no penalty would do. You still have to play to get trophy's for claims . But I don't want to play at all now because I'm loosing rank were I will lose my options to claim stuff.

[celest shoal]

I said a forfeit/conceed... I did NOT say no points loss

There is no way they will give us that

And as much as I hate the matchups ... I wouldn't support that

[tardy eagle]

Well I guess I will disagree sir and I choose not to play it anymore have fun with less player pool

[lyric fossil]

If there was a conceed button and you still got your 400 points. I would concede every match until I was able to max pull every week

[celest shoal]

That's sure your choice ... and if $copley can't do something about the lag and glitches in them I think it's a moot point ... $copley themselves will have killed Arenas

[brisk rapids]

We somehow won that because all the big boys did was camp the group armadas and let us run up the score killing hostiles and running the small armadas. Lazy tactics

[celest shoal]

400 points yes, but that's why I say we can't expect them to then also say "no loss of rep points"

For exactly what you just said @lyric fossil ... people would simply "conceed" if they had no "skin in the game"

[lyric fossil]

It would turn into who can conceed first LOL

[celest shoal]

@lyric fossil so yes, give the 400 points ... but also give the negative rep hit

[brisk rapids]

That should be fine (conceding with no rep lost). You still need to win to rank up and get the goodies

[lyric fossil]

There is no negative rep hit, but I am good with the rating hit

[celest shoal]

@lyric fossil sorry misspoke , but yes that's what I meant

[cinder notch]

both my ships are locked in combat after they went boom and now i can't do anything 👍

[grizzled tangle]

I see matchmaking is still garbage

[snow mesa]

Nice matchmaking 🤌

[vagrant linden]

and on top of everything i cant send my ships in arena

[grim oracle]

Completely unplayable.

[grizzled tangle]

On top of it, if you aren't gaming the matchmaking system, you aren't winning.

[brazen matrix]

Aint worth playing til they fix it.

[signal temple]

How are arenas getting worse each week. It's not even keeping the score, just boots ya put without telling if it is a win or a loss. Ship mapping is not showing up correct, you don't know where some of the ships are really.......

[grizzled tangle]

Because they haven't solved the core issues and people have had more time to exploit them

[trim crow]

Had to restart the game every time before entering arena...or else ships wont come off the dock when the prepphase clock runs out

[native hemlock]

laggy as could be

2 of us couldnt warp into system for the first min and had to relog and we were down and lost by 2o something points

fought more ascended servers and we had 3 of the top 10 in power from our server but the ascended players were bigger than all three of us combined. super balanace

[muted badger]

Just want to let peeps know, I've been letting the team know how this run has gone.

[torpid gust]

This is even more of a dumpster fire than last time, 10+ seconds lag starting any fight

[unkempt obsidian]

arena EVER gonna get moved or extended to weekends so other people have a chance to play it?

[indigo night]

Almost 1.5 hours to try to get enough interest from my otherwise active alliance to get a squad to fire. Once it did we were way overmatched and laggy as could be. I won’t be playing Arena until real changes happen.

[tepid haven]

Zero to Zero in an Arena match. There was so much lag it was ridiculous. Why bother with Arena if they are not going to work, or earn points, and are just frustrating? One of the folks in my alliance suggested clearing localization before an Arena match. I told him that if I had to do that, then the event doesn't work and it's not worth doing it at all.

[torpid gust]

lmao

[tired orchid]

the lag struggle is real today

[runic axle]

Nothing can be done here on a g5 rare against g4 epics. Not all matches were this way but gotta find a way to fix servers that are capped

[hollow sparrow]

Absolutely unplayable today. Worse than last week. Stuck in battle, stuck in warp, game freezes, game crashes and won't reload. Only when in arena. Otherwise can play as usual, but apparently not allowed to do arenas today.

[hollow sparrow]

After the first glitched out match, I tried that. It made no difference.

[hollow sparrow]

You guys keep saying you're fixing this, but it's literally unplayable. It's having a negative impact on rankings when we lose because there's so much lag and crashing that we can't do anything, and no comp chest can fix that.

[shell elk]

This week's new lag "feature" was getting stuck in prep phase when the timer hit zero and watching my team roll in without me unless I restarted during the timer every time. I really thought the idea would be to remove lag symptoms, not add them, but I keep forgetting this is Scopely I guess...

[red elm]

So is rank actually accounted for in the matchmaking?

Because being insta-matched against groups 5 ranks above you doesn't make sense, even if the avg ops levels are similar.

[pliant snow]

<@&509690795536941056> I just got beamed by a cube while inside an armada circle with under ten seconds left. That needs fixed ASAP! It breaks arenas.

[nocturne sedge]

@pliant snow that part of the game, not gonna change. Nothings needs to be fixed.

[loud cradle]

Sorry for everybody else, but on our side, we got much better matches. Almost 50/50 win/loss.

[bleak hamlet]

I thought you guys said you fixed arena? If anything it is more buggy this week. ships are still getting stuck in combat, and warping in, armadas are still being started even though the ship can't get there in time. ships are still failing to join armadas with plenty of time or failing to attack opponents.

[pliant snow]

No, it’s a bug. You’re supposed to be untouchable in the last ten seconds.

[bleak hamlet]

Honestly, win/loss wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't consistently being buggy. When the outcome depends on bugs not either team it isn't any fun.

[loud cradle]

Agreed

I did experience the timber stuck on zero. Had to restart the game a few times

Timer*

[sage shuttle]

Thank you for your efforts, but honestly "the team" appear incapable of fixing anything.
And, if they weren't so disconnected with the game they'd surely know already, APAC Arena fail, EU Arena fail and now US Arenas fail, not just this week, it's EVERY week!

[torpid gust]

Daily reminder that the NSEA is absurdly overpowered and you should fire the people who worked on it

And then delete Arenas

Because you can't pretend to have a competitive PVP mode and also have the NSEA

[clever garden]

I read the parameters for arena again. I am a level 46. Everybody that joins my group needs to be plus or -7. Hoping somebody can tell me how I just encountered a group that consisted of a level 42, a level 49 and a level 56. Just got smoked. This game was better in the first week.

So much for parity

[torpid gust]

Because Scopely are Very Good At Balance and didn't restrict your opponents to the same bracket as you

[clever garden]

I am iOS. Tried to put in a ticket and there is no way to actually do it.

[torpid gust]

The level 49 started the squad

So the 56 can join him

Then they get a really weak ops 42 to tank their average power

[clever garden]

But shouldn’t a 46 be paired up with a 46?

[torpid gust]

Sure, if Scopely was actually competent at matchmaking.

But Scopely is made up of a bunch of non-game devs pretending they know how games work

[clever garden]

Common sense is poorly named

[sage shuttle]

Epic sense, rare sense and uncommon sense are much more common than common sense...Just like officers in STFC

[clever garden]

Nice idea poor execution. It’s tough enough to get some of my alliance mates to do a PVP but when it works like this, it’s impossible.

[bleak hamlet]

I think part of the issue is that what they released has so many issues to address, and it doesn't seem like they are prioritizing the biggest issues. Getting "fair matches" doesn't do anything if you still have so many bugs that determine the outcome rather than the matches. Being unable to actually join the match, kills the fun. No one wants to do arenas because you force a lot of time beyond the actual match where you can't do ANYTHING. Why the heck do we spend so much time looking at the final score before even starting the transfer back? Being limited to +-7 in theory helps, but not when you are limited to your own alliance and run it this badly, you can't even get a team together to try.

[clever garden]

Well said

Big difference between a 46 and a 49. It’s like the difference between a 12 year-old and a 15-year-old. It’s only three years but…

[vestal hazel]

I am just hoping for a compensation gift so we can open terran chests. I can't even participate, my ship dies it takes 30 to 45 seconds before the game registers the death. That is 30 to 45 seconds of wasted repair time. So there is no point in trying to play the arena if your going to lose every match and drop in the tiers. Yeah i will get credits to unlock the daily chests but the lose in tier standing makes it not worth opening the daily chest.

[torpid gust]

I'm not even sure it was a nice idea. STFC as a game is wholely unsuited to competitive PVP for a huge number of very fundamental reasons

[clever garden]

I tried to move one of my ships around the game board and it sent me to warp. Warp? How does that happen? Not in the arena. Had to restart.

FIX THE GAME

[bleak hamlet]

Yeah, and that is a common issue in their leaderboards and matching. Seriously why is a 54 in the SAME leaderboard as 70's?

[torpid gust]

lol when I was in the late-20s I ended up in the same bracket as our level 39 whales pre-ascension

[marble atlas]

Can we get a day rotation for the arena? Mondays are the worst possible day for me

[supple cradle]

How much would I have to pay to NEVER do arenas again? With the lag, visual glitches, and horrible matchmaking I can only do two of these (if I’m lucky enough to find 2 other players within my range and who are willing to do arenas) before I feel like deleting this game

[vestal hazel]

The problem with the game is the developer doesn't give 2 craps about the players and never will until it starts to cost them money. Then and only then will they actually do something.

[tight umbra]

It's just deeply unfortunate a loss causes you to lose reputation when there are so many glitches with this right now. It really doesn't seem any better from the last run. We just had one player on our team locked out and not able to join our match, which made it impossible to even compete.

[torpid gust]

It would be a lot easier to stomach if it had proper solo matchmaking. Even in a large alliance it's hard to find 3 people who want to do arenas sometimes, especially when it's such a disaster.

[wicked tulip]

Good heavens, arenas are horrible again today. Not only is the rep system garbage and the matchmaking inconsistent, but the bugs today have been brutal. If I ever actually make Gold 1 and get that g6 research, I will step away from them permanently unless things improve. Wildly bad experience.

[north crow]

What is this stuck in battle...

[faint wharf]

You didn't make any real changes, it wasn't right. Your falling into mediocrity.
Surely if you cared you would work on it.

[slow thorn]

Another week of no Arenas. Nobody in my bracket is interested. Not that it’s a big deal after all the lag, freezing and game restarts that people are experiencing don’t really inspire me.

[cold fiber]

Please make it possible to join the area as a solo player and get matched

[compact plaza]

only way to fix is to do a restart... by the time you're back its over a minute of lost time

[cold fiber]

Game is glitching horribly. Can’t even play it’s so bad. I am dying to ships that aren’t there because the game isn’t processing their actual location.

[crimson radish]

The game timer hits zero and I can’t do anything but reset. Then with 2 45’s and a 50 we get matched with a g5 player with 2 ships over 300mil. Whoever developed the matchmaking must work for activision cause it is that bad. Stop adding new features and actually fix the stuff you just adding that doesn’t work properly.

[zenith geode]

Bugs this week, all on PC:
-Ships blowing up from something across the screen
-Armadas not respawning
-Armada circles not disappearing after reaching 0 on the timer
-clicking attack, watching my ship overlap the opponent then nothing happen. Clicking 2x more and finally fighting the opponent.
-opening the arena screen in the alliance menu and clicking the back button intermittently clears all arena buttons but leaves the background and never changes. Fixed by a reset.
-opening the arena screen in the alliance menu and clicking the back button intermittently clears all arena buttons but leaves the background and goes partially back to the alliance screen. The game remains unplayable until a reset.
-general lag

It seems like there was no difference to last week other than I engaged less. For every arena I joined I would relocate to the arena server, close the game, clear cache, re-launch the game, wait at least 10 seconds in the prep screen after it loads and then start interacting. No idea if that helped or hurt, but after being booted during last week's matches I started it and haven't been booted again so far.

I'd still love a button to leave the post arena score screen faster but I'm guessing the code uses that time to kill processes and start transferring people back in the background so that it seems like things are performing better than they are.

At this point I'm not even sustaining credit levels and the interest in my alliance drops from all but a very small number. You have the overall engagement data, but this is something that needs engagement and it feels like the exact opposite is happening.

[crimson radish]

Developers of the arena 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[flat rain]

Change the stupid - points totals if you're going to throw a Higher Warship Ops into a batch of lower Ops who dont have any access what-so-ever to the Warships in those Higher Ops. OR dont allow it period. If you're going to face a stupid impossible Warship you never have a chance with, reduce the amount of points you lose due to that challenge. Making the +/- the same Makes it completely useless and frustrating.

[sick aspen]

Matchmaking has been absolutely horrible today

[fallen gust]

No. It’s how armadas should be. There should be no 10 second safe window. You should be targetable and killable up until the timer reaches 0. The current safety window is to easily cheeseable

[junior yoke]

100% disagree, that “cheesiness” like you call it, is the only weapon a lower level has to fight when the matchmaking is not in their favour. It requires strategy and a bit of hide and seek. Sincerely it’s only bit of fun left in arenas…

[still cargo]

pretty much, you take that away it will be whoever has the power wins every single time no matter what all you'd have to do is sit on the rares

[sacred belfry]

Alot of buggs in arena

cant deploy ships

when killing armadas the dont show the points

when winning game auto restarting

[digital bone]

Yep another week, same old glitches. It’s got to a point where my alliance members can’t even be bothered to run them anymore, and costing those who do, opportunities to play.
It gets tiresome, I only got to play 6 arena battles, 4 of which had constant issues where I would miss the opening 5 minutes as I would get kicked, then not be able to send ships, and then massive delays having to log out back in again.
Also had 3 of those matches massively unbalanced in matchmaking, thankfully in one of those, the lvl 65 and 66 players we were facing had the good graces of only sending their lvl 60 ships to make a fair match of it.
Safe to say, if scopay continue to ignore all the multiple issues, players will just avoid like the plague.
Still baffles me why this feature even exists, if developers can’t even be bothered to fix standard bugs within the games normal gameplay, how can they expect those bugs not to carry over into a cross server platform 🤦🏼‍♂️
I’ve said it several times, this could really be a life saver to the game. It’s cheap and fun to play when you can actually get it to work.
Running times also need revising

[simple prairie]

think that's going to fall on deaf ears

[fickle crow]

I love the arena concept and how it pushes us into new gameplay in stfc. But the lag is horrible, the time constraint is terrible and matchmaking must take ranking into account to balance things up.

[digital bone]

Oh I 💯 know that 🤣 but I’m sure they’ll work in some epic “players feedback” says it’s a massive success so we’ll pump more glitches…… I mean content into it 🤪

They should just give us the vindicator so we can just put this back on the shelf so they can fix it and bring it back at a later date

[coral carbon]

Arenas was awful yesterday. I had a full squad and sat in the ready status to enter arena for five hours with match

[thorny lark]

How does this happen?

A 56 should be able to get into this?

[simple prairie]

or put the ship in the end of arc event store

[digital bone]

Nah, that’s too logical 🤪

[digital bone]

Technically, yes as the leader is lvl 50.
Just a classic case of mismatching

[runic isle]

Can we get an arena chat and team chat?
Can we get an unranked pick up group option and standard ranked premade group option?
Can we get a forfeit option active after 3 minutes?

[simple prairie]

that last one would be a good option

[worldly light]

another arena event ... that i could not participate in because of the limited run time/day of week

[signal temple]

Being beamed is annoying, being out matched and your using speed as the edge, however that isn't the problem with the cube in arenas. The problem with the cube is you never really know it's true location, and that should be the reason it shouldn't be used in arenas till it's fixed

[lost mural]

Another arena event, where players just wait in their stations without deploying a single ship, thanks to the matchmaking against ops 60 where you’re just 54 and 56.
A forfeit button should be nice and will avoid waiting for the other team to make their points.

[bitter juniper]

Please fix the game before you want to charge for it... It's barely playable with the new content that never works as intended.

[nova lynx]

Arena is pretty tough being alliance locked…. If you open that up it allows for more teams to be created across servers and having less disparity in matching

Similar to how waves arent alliance locked

[golden mortar]

I did 11 matches yesterday. We went 6 and 5. Not to bad. A few of the loses were due to less than perfect matchmaking. But.....on one of the wins....we won 1112 to 999 vs a squad who had a ops 61 player in it. Our largest is s a 58. What a fun match. Used every trick in the book. Stablility and glitches were better yesterday. Had a good time for sure.

[lilac lichen]

I’m actually surprised they didn’t plan for this. I always thought scopes would make more having several competing alliances at the top fighting. This is having the opposite effect, the few ( lessening ) people in the player base now just have another reason to consolidate power / actives into large alliances. I guess the drive to sell PvP items is better for them in the long run? Then competitive alliances 🤷‍♂️. I’m in a huge alliance, but I find it hard to get into arenas at times ( mainly cause I’m 49 I guess ( low’ish for my active core )).

[nova lynx]

I’m 67 and struggle

[glossy cobalt]

I ran into an issue where i cerritos buffed 1 ship and sent it out. When i recalled cerritos i could not send second ship out. Had to restart game.

[remote arrow]

Arenas would be much better and have more participation if they were on other than just Mining Monday 🤦. I mine in token space and unless you are going to include the tokens I lose each Monday, usually 4 a mix of 4 and 5 star it's a dead arc to me.

[autumn onyx]

Multiple times of my ship not updating it position on my screen , it seemed to move and go into combat from its picture on the bottom but in space it didn't move once , i had to guess roughly where i was, pretty poor

[knotty lantern]

Introduce a pve grind for terran store, problem solved 👍🏻

[toxic pine]

Ignore all my previous messages about asking for a surrender button I have decided to ignore this content. Matchmaking takes to long matching STILL against higher ops. Event only runs for 8 hour half that time I am at work eating dinner or getting ready to go to sleep. Content is officially dead to me

[toxic pine]

That might be able to rekindle my interest other than that nope

[glass moat]

That would totally condemn the arena. We would all do pve instead of playing in the arena. And I remind you that the arena was made to inflate the ego of the Whales. That's why they don't fix it, because they don't care. It's impossible that they haven't been able to fix it after so much time. I'm a programmer and I know what I'm talking about.

[opaque nexus]

no more mondays...half of my server refuse to even try it for this reason,an probally 75% is closer

[red dust]

They had a major news release claiming that they would roll that out in December some time. I guess we wait.

[tawny lark]

Arenas has already went the way of Starbases.
Utter fail in almost every aspect.

Shame 🤷🏻‍♂️

[sage shuttle]

As an idea, Arenas is actually a good one (coming from a non pvp player that's high praise indeed 😀)

But, despite locking a ship, and some very good research into Arenas, it is pretty much dead to most players now.
It's a shame, but another feature/event Scopelied into irrelevance through sheer greed and a complete inability to actually listen to the players 🤣

[idle timber]

I have a good time with arenas. But the lag has made it not as fun. I have the max 65 k ranking. So not a lot of reasons to play more until the lag is fixed. How was it so good the first 2 runs. And so bad now?

[runic isle]

Compensation is great, but being at bronze 1 means I can't access all the goodies... I was silver 1 once, so I know what I'm missing out on 😅 <@&509690795536941056> are we going to unlock all the rank rewards during the break for everyone or turn them all off for everyone?

[muted badger]

Hmmm...

[runic isle]

Or perhaps a rank up each week that arenas are not running. If it takes 3 months for them to return, that might be awkward, but if arenas are a priority and come back in a couple weeks, a couple rank ups probably won't hurt anything.

[fallen gust]

I imagine the compensation is still less than what I would get actually doing arena even in its current state…

[toxic pine]

OR lock the ranks so you dont lose rank unless you lose 20 in a row. and as a very smart person added earlier add a PVE grind element for the no PVP players then players who do not care for this event will probably come back to play it

[runic isle]

It's an arena so ranks shouldn't be locked. Moving up and down the ladder is a part of the experience. The reward of more currency per day is significant and we should just remove the rank locks on items in the store aside from the cosmetics.

[golden mortar]

I like arenas and I hope it comes back soon

[glacial junco]

One of the biggest complaints people had was that they weren't able to login during the narrow timeframe allocated to Arenas. So what did Scopely do? Limited the comp chest to only be claimable during those same hours 🤦🏻‍♂️

[keen sigil]

5400 arena emblems is not enough to keep the people happy. 8400 is the minimum amount that should be given

[trim crow]

only G6 got 5400 lol..G4 are 3300. I am doing a 3 chests pull everyday. Now its 1 pull for 3 weeks?

[keen sigil]

exaclty, <@&509690795536941056> you can not punish us by REDUCING what we were able to pull with borked arenas and now expect us to pull less.

[cerulean burrow]

Pull your heads in scopely, what a bs comp chest…. That’s maybe 3 days worth of pulls

[urban pumice]

Sensor me all you want @mod the comp chest is BS

Censor🤦‍♀️

[keen sigil]

coming from someone that actually plays arenas, even if i want throw my comptuer out the window after

[astral gulch]

The amount of emblems is a joke. Who thought that was a good idea?

[trim crow]

Someone in a suit who never played the game?

[inner plover]

When they do comp chests, they basically do an average

[urban pumice]

🤦‍♀️

You add something worthwhile and then screw us over…

[inner plover]

Try following the rules and you won't have an issue. You can express your displeasure without using language or bypassing the filter.

[keen sigil]

then they should spend the time to segment it out to "average per player set"
people who averaged 1 chest pull for the last week get 2100
people who averaged 2 chest pulls for the last week get 4900
people who averaged 3 chest pulls for the last week get 8400

[astral gulch]

An average of what? 4 wins 1 loss? Like objectively, this is a bad comp chest. You don't have the chance to earn further rank and you don't even get enough to tripple pull the chest for the week?

[uncut igloo]

comp chest is based on ops and not rep for arena. Having different amounts of comp for ops is unfair to the players

[urban pumice]

Turn it back on…those actually doing Arena will live with the lag

Those who don’t like arenas are the ones complaining

[uncut igloo]

i have consistantly played and pull triple chests everyday would rather play with the lag than not at all

[urban pumice]

And the ones spending a ton of money but don’t know how to win

[trim crow]

How does that make any sense?
Do they average it against all the players who have opted out of playing arena too?
if its an avg then did they calculate avgs separately for G4, G5 and G6?
If G5, G4 and G6 can enter the same arena match why are they grouped separately?
Arena by definition has winning side and losing side by doing avg are we diminishing the effort the winning side puts in?

[urban pumice]

Slow mode is coming soon, get in the arguments while you can;)

[inner plover]

Not saying they did that here but that's how their comp chests usually work, by an average. Not sure the thought process behind ops segregation, but the feedback of how unhappy people are has been raised.

You can continue to express your issue with it, as long as you follow the rules.

[astral gulch]

Thank you, I appreciate you and your work 🙂

[grizzled tangle]

Feel kind of robbed

[urban pumice]

Face it…Whales, who can’t adjust and strategize, were getting beaten by crews they considered “unworthy” of beating them complained they were losing due to lag and got the whole thing shut down…

[astral gulch]

I didn't lose a single game last week, but the lag was bad.. needed to wait up to 30 seconds to recieve loot from hostiles/armadas for all 3 people in our party

[urban pumice]

As did I…still won more than I lost

[grizzled tangle]

Don't worry Terran Credit packs are still for sale.

Though not being able to grind up ranks to buy some stuff would still be a problem.

[glacial junco]

They were told repeatedly with Touranments - yes they suck, but giving us the chance at something is better than nothing. But of course, "we listen to your feedback" 🤥

[astral gulch]

Especially since you get more credits from the exchange with higher rank

[wild blade]

So this isn't going to give me my max pulls for a week, i haven't missed one since it started so what the ****

[shy minnow]

need more tokens

<@&509690795536941056>

[vestal hazel]

I was really disappointed with the chest feature—it's far from what I expected. Honestly, I'd rather be dealing with the issues in Arena, as at least that offers the opportunity for full pulls. It's hard to understand the decision-making behind this feature. It feels like a missed opportunity, and I'm left wondering if the development team is considering user feedback in their planning.

[keen sigil]

"chest feature" 🤣

[uncut igloo]

The other issue with pulling the feature over the holiday period is more people would have had time to play more Arenas.

[keen sigil]

but if you are live ops or coder thats on call for the holidays, you are happy the feature was pulled. now you wont get called cuz its not happening

[sinful gate]

3300 arena emblems as compensation? Not even enough for 2 a day. You really are miserable at every level.

[surreal sorrel]

that is ridiculous, i consistently pull 1200 a day ie 8400 a week. can’t say i’m surprised you guys cheaped out but i guess i did hope for more

[quiet mist]

Arenas were a good concept, but in what seems par-for-the-Scopely-course, the delivery was executed poorly. On an average week we're restarting our client before or during matches to try and alleviate bugs. Lag makes it a struggle and can define who wins or loses. It's frustrating. Last week was far below average so I understand the need to pull it, but to "reward" us anything less than 8400 Arena Emblems per week is a shambolic decision and whoever came up with that needs to go work at McDonalds for a month to improve their customer service relations

[fallen gust]

Are the comp chests based on ops level? So higher ops with worse ranks than me get more?

[low otter]

This will be the first week since arena released that I won't be able to triple pull the daily chest every day.

Thanks guys. Should've just kept your half baked mechanic active

[fallen gust]

Well the entire game is based on a fake economy. If they give too much away for free how are they going to milk your wallet with all these Christmas SLBs and packs 🤦‍♂️

[slate pawn]

why on earth wouldn't they give the comp chest based on rank? this feels like quick let's do something before the holidays, what intern is available

[wicked tulip]

Other question we all should be pressing besides the miss on the emblem counts, where was the arena rank credit in the comp chest? Research is tied to that and since the event will be gone for a number of weeks, we really should be gifted some amount of it each of those weeks, by the same logic that we are given some emblems…

[inner plover]

you get rep in the daily pull

[wicked tulip]

Arena rep

[glacial junco]

Do you mean Rank?

[wicked tulip]

Sure

My bad on the term, but yes

It’s dastardly to tie the Terran research to both Terran rep and arena rank, especially when arena rank once you hit gold 2 becomes a nightmare for many ops levels (losses take as much rank away as you get from a win).

Emblems and things like that are fine locking behind arena rep, locking game research that is not related to arenas is less so.

I am so close to gold 1 and the only research I care about in that tree (g6 ship BP efficiency). Now I am locked out for perhaps another month before I can even try to get there. Matchmaking and lag aside, I was crawling closer to that goal, now it’s paused for a while lol.

[hybrid scroll]

Thats a joke. A comp chest should comp for loss of progression. 5400 is not even 5 days worth of pulls. Might be nice for those who dont run Arenas but to those who heavily engage with Arenas its a joke.

Either run Arenas again or give us an Actual comp of 8400 to be able to progress at the rate we choose to progress

[sharp sluice]

<@&509690795536941056> comp chest is a joke. Turn the arena back on. At least I can suffer through lag and get my full pulls for the week. Fix this. Give us full pulls or turn it back on.

[digital bone]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-a-trap-gif-8892701420733568686

[mighty oxide]

i rather have the lagg back consider then i at least am able to full pull and increase my arena rank.

[digital bone]

Don’t ask them to turn arenas back on, that’s what they want 🤣

Just have to look at everything else that’s been released this last year. All glitched, but we’re expected to play through it

You only need to look at waves as a prime example. Couldn’t fix it, so they just added a second version with the same glitches 🤦🏼‍♂️

[digital blade]

at least you're getting 5400. if you're ops 50 like me you get 3300. i'm #4 on my server but i'm getting less than people with 1500 arena rating because scopely...

just give me 8400, or give everyone 8400. tying it to ops is even stupider than giving everyone the average.

[median root]

be happy as ops45 plat3 i only get 3,3k cause i am "low ops" :/

[digital blade]

Even ops 50 gets 3300...

[inner plover]

because ops 50 is still g4

[median root]

51 is g5 and gets more cause their chests are more expensi ... oh wait, nevermind :/

[sly violet]

@gritty cobalt I hope yall sent the wrong comp chest… that can’t be right

Or maybe, just maybe, yall don’t have a single clue of what your player base is making during arena

‘Arena rank’: I simply don’t exist

[turbid wadi]

So from what I can gather many many player's are upset about the arena comp chest. From my perspective as someone who rarely wins a arena match much less is able to even get in a match due to timing this is a decent comp chest. Would I have liked it to be higher so I can rank up and get other favors or stuff absolutely no doubt I would just like everyone else wants to have more. The thing is just like in the real world you dont always get what you want I know shocking right!!!!!! For the players expecting max pulls every week that arena's isn't running I think you should lower your expectations I know it's not what you want to hear and you'll probably pick up your stones and start throwing them my way and that's fine the thing is many many players either dont get in enough matches to full pull or can't get in matches at all. Remember this is a community game not a you game without a few other players you can't even get into arena's so be thankful you got what you got you're still miles and miles ahead of the average arena player or average pve player that doesn't even play arena's.

@muted badger enjoy your holidays and thanks for trying to relay our feedback as best you can even though majority of the time we just have our hand out saying more more more

[median root]

then give everyone the same chest and not more if the player has a higher ops lvl, that is just ridiculous.

[urban pumice]

Condescending much;)

[bold moat]

Still think the fact it is different comp chest is silly. Even if Somone was a lower rank they still could play for 8400 credits to get full pulls for the week. Treating each rank different is silly. Rank never determined rewards

[bold moat]

Wish I got 5400

[bold moat]

Yes I expect when they cancel an event and don’t give us the option to run it to give people what they were getting out of it. Many people who were doing enough every week to get pulls get shorted cause we don’t have the option to even run it.

[tardy pelican]

And so that feature ends with a cancellation
Happen if untested broken content get released
Was good idea killed by lag and the absolute ridiculous matching system
Curious how much work hours (money) was put into this 🤔

[knotty lantern]

Judging by the quality about 1 and a half 😅

[bold moat]

It’s bad enough we can’t move up our ranks to get acces to more favors. Least they could do it let us get rep and credits for when they fix it

[tardy pelican]

It's not the season of giving 🎅

[bold moat]

It’s cause I ain’t paying them money so the give me the 🧹

[urban solstice]

what happened with the arena?

[bold moat]

@muted badger why can’t y’all leave arena on and just let the players who actually liked it and played play and all the whiners accept the crappy chests and move on.

[sharp sluice]

We all need to not give them any more of our money till they fix this game. Period!!!!!!!!!

[bold moat]

@muted badger I feel this is worse than the way incursions is comped when canceled. At least then you give fair compensations that are all the same for every player. You don’t base that off of win/loss ration and rank.

[tardy pelican]

Cancelled because they will work on it to make it better 😂

[blazing kindle]

So not enough for me to at least double pull everyday. Which had been my goal each week and had done enough to do so. Once again scopely is stifling progression and punishing us for their mistakes.

[bold moat]

Yes let’s add some really good favors to the store then pull event and give meh rewards to people who were averaging more then wonder why they mad and don’t wanna give us money

[urban solstice]

but then we need to wait for years..... they are still working on game stability and that was an year ago....

[bold moat]

You mean them incursions 🤣

[wild acorn]

When you are giving a comp chest for an event being pulled, you should provide compensation on par with what players can and do earn and additional compensation on top of that to compensate for the content being unavailable.
The arena comp I received is less by far than if I played 8 matches at 50/50 win loss and I always do more. Any motivated player can get enough for max pulls and since we are the ones who actually use the content you need to compensate everyone based on the more enthusiastic players. at worst some non participating players might get interested and at best those of us do the actual content aren't penalized because of coding issues on your side.

[bold moat]

Wasn’t even same compensation for everyone. It seemed to scale somehow

[short canopy]

So how are the contents of that comp chests calculated? Just asked few guys and me having 26k rating, got 4500, same as a guy with 240 rating, same as a guy with 8k rating...

[inner plover]

3400 for g4 players, 4500 for g5 players and 5400 for g6 players

[short canopy]

That's kinda stupid decision to be decided depending on the ascension.. but hey 🙂 it is what it is.. Should be used to things like that already

[plain aurora]

thats rediculess... all have same cost for daylie pull!
need 8400 per week!... that isnt based on ops level...

[wispy ivy]

Welcome to $¢opely, where you get punished for being lower ops!!!

[mighty oxide]

And not only that from the runs my alliance did we had enough to pay for rank up chest and full week of full pulling.
And still had more left then the reward we got. and we have a g4 server

[willow mantle]

Higher G6 it’s difficult to even get into a team to participate. Lower ops have had it much easier, at least on my server where low levels dominate the arena rankings. Still, it’s a poor compensation chest.

[digital blade]

I think we can all agree that tying it to ops level is silly.

We can also all agree that providing less than what a lot of us were getting before, because THEY decided to cancel the event "for improvemenets" is not acceptable.

[bold moat]

Feel like we are still waiting for them to fix incursions 🤣

[bold moat]

I feel like whoever designed the chest did not understand how arena works. IMO.

[sly prawn]

Calling it compensation alongside a worthless announcement is just an offence towards players. Nothing more nothing less.

It’s neither a compensation nor in general an acknowledgment for the weeks of malfunctioning of a faulty designed mechanic which lost most players. Those who stayed just tortured themselves due to the “paywalled” faction store. Solely that, in no other way and particularly not because it was close to anything that can be described as fun or entertainment.

All these empty words, the radio silence and then this utterly embarrassing half heartedly 2025 roadmap presentation. Where’s the apology for the crappy performance recently? For postponed and erroneous events? For the bombardment of never seen before paywalled content and pay2progress enforcement?
We need an apology and a real compensation for the failures and errors of both management/game design and technology/infrastructure.
but that won’t happen, scopely is blind and doesn’t care. So the actual “roadmap” for 2025 is actually driving the players (quite easily) away from stfc. Chapeau!

[low otter]

The fact that the gift chest is based on ops is laughable. As a G5 platinum player, i get less than a G6 bronze player. At least pretend there's an understanding of how your game is played.

[wispy ivy]

The "Compensation" you gave is a joke. I have been busting my butt to get max pulls each week... And now you are giving me just over 1/3rd of what I normally earn...

After this month's terrible event store and constant glitches, this is just a complete insult. Why do you give me a nice papercut and pour lemon juice on it while you are at it? 🤬👿

[trim crow]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-laugh-gif-5044220402862088361

No official response from scopely yet regarding the arena comp?

[shy minnow]

support basically told me nothing

[cedar sparrow]

I mean, as someone who hasn't done an arena since the second week, I got enough for a few pulls for nothing & it would be insane if they gave me more. And there's no way they're going to do the work to figure out how much each person typically gets. So it sucks for you, but for the 70% of the players that aren't doing arenas, it's great. Idk, I find the crying about this to be a little silly. Like crying about your gazpacho being cold.

[urban pumice]

Agreed…you should get nothing, since you didn’t put the work in. Those of us who put the work in through all the glitches and lag don’t want the handout, we want Arena turned back on so we can still progress. Glitches and lag aside, Arenas provide advancement opportunities that make them well worth the effort and frustration.

[cedar sparrow]

I wish my Mondays afforded me the time to do them

[urban pumice]

Exactly right! No justification for ops level differences, no connection to what is needed to at least double pull, no understanding for that store being only source for Vindicator BP for ftp. Just a complete ignorance of the mechanics they made the compensation package for. It is a real slap in the face for the players that actually stood by the event and played it through all the lag & glitches!

[bold moat]

Feel this is more like I put your gazpacho in the microwave and then fed it to you.

Since gazpacho is served cold

[cedar sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/gazpacho-soup-red-dwarf-gazpacho-rimmer-arnold-rimmer-gazpacho-soup-gif-24845030

[fallen gust]

You aren’t the target audience of arenas then. You literally shouldn’t have gotten anything

[cedar sparrow]

I know, I was saying that. But it's insane to expect them to try to figure out a finer gradient for the comp.

[fallen gust]

It’s literally not. Because there shouldn’t be a gradient. Every single person no matter the ops level or arena rank has the same cost to pull the chest…

[uneven wing]

if they wanted to do it by winningness or participation they could have gone by arena ranks

[cedar sparrow]

Ok well neener neener then

[trim crow]

They are the game runners..its their job description to figure it out and do things the right way. So the community doesnot have to.

[cedar sparrow]

Probably not the time or place for this discussion but I feel like they already have enough to do and don't get paid enough to also spend a day doing a breakdown of who should get what, and implementing several levels of compensation.

[trim crow]

Agreed that its not the place, but Its not an xcel sheet and calculator and it does not take a day. You just need to script a piece of code and some qureies to get the data to run the aggregates.

And as a developer I would say doing some due diligence would help a long way. Which I strongly feel is missing here

[fallen gust]

The irony being in this particular sitation there literally isn't even the need to identify several levels of compensation. The fact that they applied compensation differently to different ops levels is literally probably harder than if they just gave everyone the same amount. There literally wasn't a single reason to give this comp chest a scaled payout since no matter your rank or ops level the cost of the chest pulls don't change

[wispy ivy]

It would cost them nothing to give everyone 8400 credits each week for 3 weeks and would gain them a ton of good will from the player base.
Instead they chose to spite us.

They chose a loss for themselves for no reason. This choice will drive people away from spending, not towards.

[digital bone]

Only a year ago 🤪🤣

[runic isle]

I've thought about the matching for a long time and I believe I have the solution.

Match to the highest Ops level in a team.

Can't manipulate the matching this way. You can still carry your littles, but it'll cost you more challenging fights (as one would expect). More matches will be a closer range of Ops levels since that gives you the better chance of winning.

The solution sounds too simple, but I'm almost certain I'm correct. Please let me know if you can think of any pitfalls <@&509690795536941056>

[wild acorn]

They literally do this all the time when they figure out who needs comps for a particular thing that doesn't affect everyone. Not only that what possible reason do you have to think that "they don't get paid enough" to run a simple database inquiry? And as for not getting paid enough, exactly why is it that you feel like you need to volunteer your time to come tell customers of a giant corporation that they need to just let things slide because the pour itty bitty corporation doesn't pay its employees enough to take the time to compensate its customers for their screwup in a thoughtful way?
Seriously I am quite sure that they don't pay you anything to come here and waste our time defending a bad decision based on your view of whether the employees get paid enough to do their job.

[cedar sparrow]

Thank you for your comments. I got free stuff and while I was actually trying to be reasonable, now I'm glad people who try hard for arenas got "short changed" because your attitudes are so entitled.

[wild acorn]

"I got free stuff so I don't care and anyone who disagrees is entitled".

got it

[shy minnow]

entitled to a buggy mess 🤣

[cedar sparrow]

Merry Christmas!

[bold moat]

@muted badger I feel like the arena break was because scopely was going on holiday and didn’t want stuff to break while you gone. So let’s pull this event cause incursions and arena back to back may break the game. Wasn’t that y’all are gonna fix the event. None will be around to deal with the mess from running them and the lag it creates.

[sly violet]

<@&509691611903426561> as yall are working on ARENA improvements: 1 - add a separate tab - ARENA CHAT - so u can chat only with your teammates; 2 - last arena screen (showing points) add - FINAL ARENA SUMMARY - showing points made by each player in your team (hostile killed; players killed; solo and group armadas ran)

[bold moat]

We will be lucky if they turn it back on. 🤣

[bleak crane]

In that case you shouldn't get anything, and people who actually got into arena should get their full pulls - which aren't hard to acquire even if you kept losing matches.

There are virtually ZERO reasons to grade or limit pulls - there is no max amount you can carry, every player ops has equal pull costs, it's a F2P resource anyone can get while arena event is up. All you gotta do is spend time, no matter how terrible you are.

It's an arbitrary compensation by people who do not play the game and give zero darns about what players lose out on. And instead of addressing the elephant in the room, our nice guy CMs are radio silent about it.

[shy minnow]

you should join a better alliance

[willow mantle]

Being in an alliance is overrated - more fun solo if you’re not suffering from pixelphobia and worried to lose out on lame ALB rewards. Regardless, I joined the biggest ally on my server and it’s still a problem to get a team. There is a reason why lower ops do much better in arenas… it is much easier to get a team (and opposition) together compared to high G6.

Last time I checked my server leaderboards for arenas, the top 50 were all G4-G5. And maybe a couple of lower G6 in the top 100… most of the bigger players have abandoned arenas on my server.

[shy minnow]

Could that just mean G6 whales have it easier? That they just buy the arena rewards rather than take the time to get higher ranking and rewards?

[uneven wing]

half my servers top 10 are 68+

[willow mantle]

I play for fun. What use are rewards if not having fun?

[willow mantle]

I talk of the top 50 “on my server”.

[uneven wing]

sure, I'm just offering a different perspective.

[bold moat]

Cause g6 used to buying things and lower ops usually have to grind it out imo

[willow mantle]

Or perhaps it’s due to a smaller pool of players available to make a team? It would help if it were open to the server like waves. Imo those who choose to grind have less to complain about, but are the most entitled and moan the most. Good decision to award comp chest based on ops level. 😂👍🏻

[brave pivot]

Any chance we can get some MU tokens to get all those kills? Those of us that go in there regularly don't have a huge stockpile

[tardy pelican]

Why you go there regularly?

[icy zodiac]

Is there a way we can have access to Terran Faction stuff in the New Years Celebration event store? I’d like to unlock Terran Faction items but now as arena is on the back burner this will delay it.

[golden summit]

Rep grinding, get credits for faction ships

[winter reef]

And there's another thing that server 710 cannot participate in. We are Ops Locked at 39 and it requires level 40 just to access arena. But we have to suffer through endless advertisements and watch a countdown clock to the next arena event or unti the end of the current one. It's all a bit annoying. The ONLY thing this artificial limit on levels accomplishes is to make people angry so they leave the game and never come back.

[neon heart]

You aren't missing out of much tbh. Once you get it' you are honestly going to lose a lot, you'll end up fighting G4 ships that will destroy you very easily

[shy minnow]

at 40 Arenas were a huge boost to my Bajor, S31 and Ex-Borg rep, i would say they are missing out on quite a lot

Not to mention 15,000 syndicate xp per day for free

[fallen gust]

A full week of complaints and you get it wrong again. Certainly “listening” to player feedback 👏

[trim notch]

Get something... and still complain. That is the world we live in...

[fallen gust]

I get more from playing arena in its 💩 state. Also people with higher ops levels with less arena rank then me get more so yeah. Double kick in the pants. Tell me you don’t play arena without telling me you don’t

[bold moat]

Point is we don’t want something for nothing we want to play and get out full pulls even with the lag vs being set back cause they wanna be stingy

[bold moat]

I would be less mad if the rewards scaled by arena ranking not ops level

[bleak crane]

We don't "get something" (for free).
Emblems are something we would've gotten as much as we wanted for free if arena was up.

Worst case scenario is queueing up for and losing 21 matches running 10 minutes each in a 6+ hour timeframe, that's 8400 emblems or 3 chests for a full week.
The only winners here are people who don't play arenas at all.

And @gritty cobalt hasn't said a single word about it which is very odd.

[turbid wadi]

you say the only winners are people that dont participate you're forgetting those that have to wait long queue times for a match or those that have to wait for teamates not every single person who engages with arena's get into a team of 3 and get 21 matches every week some get 5,10,12,15 matches, so are you saying those players aren't participating because they don't hit your metric of 21 matches in 6+hrs. Sorry if you think I'm calling you out but not everyone has time to dedicate to a game like that

[bleak crane]

If you're losing 21 matches, that's on you.

What's relevant is you're eligible to get those points, you're not limited in any way. If you don't get 8400, that's on you. Time investment has always been a crucial part of the game.
Shouldn't take away from people who DO invest, though. Pointless to rant about since @gritty cobalt doesn't feel the need to forward it to "the team".

[turbid wadi]

he may not have or he might have without him sending out a msg we simply just dont know and resort to speculation. Personally i like the chest not because it's more than i get each week but because i think its an average calculation on the whole arena community of whats earned. Do i think that the players who are complaining about the 8400 tokens are right in feeling like they got the short end of it yes they did. The thing is they always do things like this by the average considering arena is just a feature not an actual event with a set rewards like an sms or slb. With that I'll let you be and this channel due to sometimes people can get overly excited on their stance and become heated.

[fallen gust]

It’s not even the average. They are giving comp chests out based on ops level when there literally is no need to since it’s the same cost to pull the chest no matter your ops level or rank. If everyone got the same amount it would somewhat be fine. Still less then what you got from doing it but you wouldn’t be screwing the people who are higher ranked then the higher ops players

[willow mantle]

Easier to get into a team lower ops. Thus easier to get rank and credits at lower ops. Compensation is correct to go to higher ops who struggle more and obviously contributed more to the metric that matters to $copely. Your time is your choice, as is the compensation $copely’s choice. Denial of this truth is simple entitlement attitude.

[bold moat]

So your entire argument is since they bought more things they should get more for an event being canceled?

You gonna say next when incursions canceled you should get more for that compensation also

[willow mantle]

Not entirely but yes it is partial to my argument. In the real world you’re typically compensated based on financial factors, and in the real world, $copely are a business. The entitlement attitude based on “grind time” rewards is selfish and rightly overlooked. The main part of my argument is broken nature of arenas, particularly for higher ops… $copely rightly shut it down and compensated higher rewards to those affected most. Hopefully it returns with open server team feature (not limited to alliance members).

[trim crow]

Could be true and if Scopely says that it was one of the points it considered when its calculating rewards. Wish they make any kind of announcement explaining the logic behind how they came up with those numbers (not our suppositions). I could at least make peace with it. Its the silent treatment thats getting to me!

[median root]

the question is: why do people get different amounts based on ops level, that makes no sense at all. give everyone the same amount or based on arena rank.

[glass moat]

Because this game is pay to win. Depending on what you pay, that is what prizes you get.💩

[fallen gust]

There is literally nothing hard about getting rank or credits. Imagine being higher ops and sucking so much you can’t win games that you need a handout from scopely. All that money doing work 😂

[willow mantle]

Getting a team together is much harder, much smaller pool of players available. It needs to be open to server, not limited to alliances. And currently I’m a rogue solo player that plays for PvP… it’s not for lack of wanting. Just not really practical with the current design. Low ops have it much easier.

[glass moat]

That is from the amounts of the event, it is totally premeditated, it is not a mistake. It is very simple, they launch the blocked event. If we get it too quickly, all they have to do is add 2 or 3 more zeros, then they unblock it AND No one has found out here.💩 💩 💩

[fallen gust]

Ah right so these are a welfare handout for you. Not something you actively participate in. Got it

[willow mantle]

I don’t think you’re understanding… it is easier to participate at lower levels, much larger player base to form a team. I don’t care for the rewards, I just want to enjoy the feature.

[dusky osprey]

I'm quite happy with the arena compensation due to the ridiculous obsession with the small window of time I've barely been able to play it so getting more 🤣

[trim crow]

Can the arena rankings be cleaned up...all the servers we have incursions with are merging into the arena rankings on our server. Or is that how its supposed to be?

[tardy pelican]

More comp chests ?

[vapid rain]

How are we supposed to rank up and be able to exchange for higher rank required items that we’ve been waiting to attain the uncommon credits to purchase the 6* effeciency but can’t due to no arenas for 2 weeks… now I have the credits but can’t rank up….

[shy minnow]

Lol the whale who doesnt even play arena calling you a clown

[shy minnow]

Large playerbase doesnt matter if it's groups of 3 😆😅

[bleak crane]

I saw you downvoting a lot of comments. Didn't expect the corresponding opinion to have such little merit.

"Higher ops who struggle more" really sent me.

[turbid wadi]

since swarms arent a part of arena's you might want to think about which channel you're posting in just a suggestion though feel free to ignore

[shy minnow]

When their strategy of clicking the enemy ship and clicking "Attack" doesn't make them insta-win like every other event 😅

[runic isle]

1. matching based on the highest ops level player in team
2. Pick up groups region wide
3. arena chats, general and team
4. unlock all rewards based on rep except for cosmetics

[native beacon]

Still haven't participated since it's second running.

[sly prawn]

Can they just adjust the compensation to proper max pulls for every ops and keep it suspended it for the next few months? That would be in the interest of the majority I guess because who would actually play it because of fun? It’s just because of the necessity to access the store (same reason we keep torturing ourselves with this waves nonsense garbage)

I’m not confident they handle either performance issues nor all other bugs and errors in the game. Next week the next arc launches and we will have more broken things.
It’s useless to worry about matchmaking or pvp fairness in this game. It was broken on purpose during the last years so it simple cannot be fixed for arenas.

[thorn thicket]

Yeah . The weekly comp chest doesn't even come close to the 11 arena wins I was getting each Monday. Bring the content back

[indigo lagoon]

So, I assume this has been complained about already, but I was consistently getting more than a week's worth of loot every Monday and since Scopely decided to cancel Arenas and as 'compensation' is giving less than a full weeks worth of full pulls, I'm going to start losing forward progress for both my Arena Rank and my Terran Faction Rank progress. Can we expect Scopely to compensate for what we're missing out on and slowing our progress back to a full week's worth of pulls?

Ops 56
Server 38

Also, fix this stuff where we have a completely different server's players cluttering our leaderboards. Need to keep our server whale in his place, beneath my rank. 😄

[vocal quiver]

My understanding is when incursions happened last, it mixed the arena boards. Also our pd boards.

Feedback: Arena is awesome and the first thing in this game to involve any actual shred of skill with click and do gameplay.

Its also the first thing that doesnt require continual advancement forward to compete. One could play monday nights and enjoy all the progress one has made to date.

Suggestion: the worst part of arena is participation within an alliance. Even being able to make full squads is a struggle in large 70 plus member alliances.

1. Add rewards in terran store geared towards non-pvp players to encourage that populations participation.

2. open up squads to include an alliances allies in the waiting room. Allow alliances to engage in arena by extending group of players.
   Lots of people suggest opening squads to the entire server… we have that already with waves. Keeping it isolated to allies, would add more depth to the social and diplomatic aspects of the game; which would be extremely rejuvenating to stagnant servers waiting for a merger..

[knotty lantern]

Quite sure it's not the rewards that keep players especially non PvP ones outside of arena. And there's no reward that's gonna change that. 😅

[inner plover]

5ik tasks don't give credits

and this is for arena, not the tournament

[lilac lichen]

leave my bro outta this! 🤣

[jovial atlas]

The comp chest for these three weeks is bad enough, but do you have any plans to give rank improvements? Players are missing out on upward movement and their store is stagnant.

[stone stirrup]

What upward movement? Hate the arena. Liked it at first, but for the more casual/non pvper it’s more and more painful. Zero chance vs someone with maxed PvP gear, it’s just go die for slow points

[mighty oxide]

Just wondering what you mean rewards gear toward non pvp.
The ship you get is for armada's.
Uhura has a hostile below deck.
5 out of 6 uncommon favors are either general or pve
4 out of 6 common favors are either general or pve
The premium mirror is for research where most of them are general purpose.
Rep you get is good for the low levels to expedite there rep standings especially with ex-borg.

For point 2 i would check the roadmap video 😄

[vocal quiver]

If youre outgunned playing support is the winning role. You just got to figure it out, over time. Trial and error. Theres almost always a way.

The only way to lose is to be both out gunned, and out smarted.

[vocal quiver]

Youre def not wrong.

My eyes just go right towards the mu pvp officers and then some. But thats what im kinda talking about.

[rich citrus]

on most events I’m competing against players with geared up surveys and pve crews 🥲 it’s just go mine for slow points lol

Edit: also never give up before the match starts, if lag hits just right you can beat anyone 🤣

[left gorge]

This suggestion may already have been made, but can we remove the FT enhancements and QT enhancements when going into the arena. Let players win based on research, ship strength and officers and that’s it.

[astral apex]

Okay wtf? We were in "Expert League" an hour ago, now it says we are in "Novice League"?

[shadow pike]

For me the brackets are just all wrong 100 mill power players with 80m power ships against 800 million power players with ships over 1 billion in power just does not work, it like the whole areas is catered for high lvl players only

Should be 1 lvl up and 1 lvl down range and when launching it post in galaxy chat so othere alliances in you server can join so it limits wait periods as the brackets have shortened

You could also have multiple option to choose from to launch
3 man teams
5 man teams
Your alliance only teams
Open team from your server

Speed repair should be free all the time aswell

[outer mountain]

Hate to be repetitive, but since I haven't seen any messaging around this:

3300 is in an insanely low amount of emblems compared to what I'd be doing if arenas were active and it makes no sense that G4/G5/G6 get different comps here, and I'm especially saddened that there hasn't even been communication explaining why it was decided to separate comp by grades instead of something like matches won in the previous arena, or arena rank, or just having a flat comp across the board.

[turbid osprey]

OK I do hope you have Arenas fixed soon. My stockpile of currency is dwindling fast. I am platinum and got WAY more Emblems on Mondays. I agree with Burton on the Comp chest being valued by ops. Yes I triple pull and also get the 2 BPs of the ship daily.

[void nebula]

Whilst Arenas were somewhat of a disaster, I still did enough to triple pull every day for the week. 3300 is just insulting.

[pearl frigate]

that's what most people did, at least get the 8400 needed for triple pulls as that's the only way to realistically get to to stuff we cared about. sorting it by G4/5/6 is a crazy decision, should have been 8400 for everyone to just kepe the loop going

[thorn thicket]

The chest could at least equal the 10 - 12 wins i would get reach week

[median root]

still ops dependend compensation chest... ridiculous, why?

[cold fiber]

Just gonna say I actually do appreciate the comp chests esp since doing arenas on Mondays is very difficult for me with my work schedule. I just wish it was possible to progress my rank a little bit so I can get the G5 engineering favor. Is this something you guys could help me out with, Scopely? I’m sure I’m not the only one holding out on building new ships in order to get that 30% savings.

[raw ibex]

Do we have a timeline for the return of arena’s? As I really enjoyed playing them and the store has some pretty good stuff in there!

[inner plover]

check the in game timer, it's available

[tardy pelican]

Next year

[agile forum]

<@&509690795536941056>seems arena will be back in roughly 5 days, this means it will return next monday on same schedule?

would be great to have an announcement stating what was fixed, what was changed, and so on...

[tawdry sun]

I just want confirmation that Arena definitely will be coming back on monday. By that time I'll already have been behind by 33 chests from the daily claim, which even at my current rank puts me nearly 2800 rep behind where I'd otherwise be, as I always used to grind out enough matches to max pull every day. the 3300 I've been getting for the last couple of weeks has been a bit of a kick in the teeth tbh.

[worn apex]

@muted badger @gritty cobalt Did you guys change regions or something with Arenas? The leaderboard has changed significantly since you turned Arena back on.

[agile forum]

maybe that's explained in the non-existing announcement? 😄

[worn apex]

Very likely. Just would think that would be “announced” when they turned it on. My guess is no one told the CMs they’ve turned it on yet. 😆

[muted badger]

Should have an Arena update this week...

[tawdry fable]

Make them shorter and increase rewards Make it worth running a couple

[vocal quiver]

I saw arena coming yesterday in game menu. Now gone… :/

My Prayers goes out to the arena team, god speed and save stfc

[inner plover]

It appears that they had plans to bring it back and those plans changed, they're trying to work out all the issues that players were having.

[vapid rain]

@muted badger if arenas do not comeback on monday, is there something we can do about the lack of ability to progress actual ranks? not being able to rank up cuts us off from the higher level favors that we want to progress in game ie the 6* bps effeciency im about to go to ops 61 and will be out faction credits due to not having the ability to rank up and attain that favor.... while the emblems are appreciated thats only have of the metrics in the terran store

[plain aurora]

at first if the arena dont come back thise monday please give all the full 8400 credits for the max pull... need weekly 8 4k and with op50 i get only lower then the half i need... binding on ops lv is rediculess.
@muted badger

[late girder]

They’re not coming back this Monday

[gilded brook]

@muted badger can scopely stop hiding vindicator behind PVP arenas store? I'm just not caring about it till I have 5* ship efficiency favor and some other things first. It's not even a good ship, would have made more sense if it was in alliance tab for armada credits!

[worn apex]

When said update is available it’s also going to say they are fixing the weekly comp chest so all OPs get the same amount right?…..Right? Pleeeeeeeeeease say yes. 😆
(Seriously though, the chest pull requirements don’t change by OPs, so why am I at OPs 50 receiving less than someone who has never done arenas at OPs 60?)

Thank you for all your work Hammy and Happy Friday!

[runic axle]

^ <@&509691205798592532>

[inner plover]

got it, thanks

[sudden spruce]

Hey Hammy, any update on PVP Arenas? The countdown was active earlier this week and then just shutdown again. Inquiring minds want to know 😁

Sorry to bother you about this, however if we don't get a response today then chances are we won't get one before Monday.

[muted badger]

No Arenas next week. I know that's going to bum some folks out, but I'd rather we get the issues addressed before running them again.

[sudden spruce]

Will they continue to drop the Comp Chest then?

[inner plover]

yes

[winter mulch]

Please keep canceling them until you change the day it runs on. Only way I've been able to advance is the comp chests so please keep them coming

[sudden spruce]

@muted badger @inner plover Thank you both for your help, I will update my alliance so they know.

[outer mountain]

Bummer, any chance of getting a review of the comp chest that's been running the past few weeks (or at least an explanation on how the values were chosen)?

It's far less than we would have been getting from arenas, and having fewer credits for some grades of players doesn't make sense given that all players were rewarded equally from the arena event.

[muted badger]

Comp chest will still be coming out. Haven't heard anything about changing the day.

[muted badger]

Don't think the comp chest will be changing, but I'll see what I can do.

[outer mountain]

Thanks, the vastly different amounts for G4/G5/G6 is very confusing, and the low amount down here in G4 is very frustrating for a feature I was enjoying getting good rewards out of.

[knotty lantern]

This and remove the rank requirements for non PvP related stuff like efficiency favours. 😅

[thorn thicket]

Waiting for arena to return. Also my comp chest should be 3x what it has been given. Some of us won enough each week to max pull till the next.

[surreal sorrel]

also when it returns is there any chance to moving it up a day for apac… as it stands it clashes with territory for us, push it to the next day and no territory battles clash

[hybrid scroll]

Please make the comp give 8400 at least. Thats enough for 7 days of full pulls.

Those who didnt play arenas get a taste of what arenas can do for them and those who heavily engage with Arenas dont get let down

[bleak crane]

In other words you never played arena but reap rewards while people who did play arena are cut out of max rewards. Amazin!

[bleak crane]

Maybe you have the courtesy of officially announcing the arena postponement. Right now the only hint players have at being cheated out on another week of triple pulls is the removed ingame timer on arenas.

[knotty lantern]

<@&509691205798592532>

[knotty lantern]

👍🏻

[winter mulch]

Correct, thank you for showcasing reading comprehension. I'd love to do Arena but cannot due to work schedule so unless they change the date I'll never get the chance to do so. So I fully 100% support the comp chest staying forever

[wary roost]

The issue is that whatever rank you are you’re stuck there. At least while it’s not happening can you unlock the store so that we can spend credits on what we want?

[tawdry sun]

If arena isn’t coming back, and the comp chest is remaining as insulting as ever for G4 players, I think the least you guys could do is give an explanation of the specific issues that the team are trying to fix, and an estimate of when we might see it back.

[full vine]

can you at least add arena rating to the chest or another way to earn it, I literally cannot progress until I get bronze 1 in the arena, I have been sat here for 3 weeks now twiddling my thumbs because I refuse to pay 508k for a pilum that I could instead get for like 340k

[bleak crane]

In other words this chest is not a compensation, but a hand out for you. Glad we cleared that one up.

[trim crow]

Please change the day to Saturday or Sunday. Monday is usually the busiest day of my week.

[whole jasper]

It's a hand out to you as well, it could be worse and nobody get anything at all.

It's good they are fixing the Arena, the event is good and it's necessary to make everyone engage with it.

[bleak crane]

First point is wrong by definition, second point's a non-sequitur. Comp chests are something you would've gotten otherwise if it wasn't for Scopely's constant puck-ups - usually with a little extra. They precisely introduced compensation culture to make up for their mistakes, and they continue to be wholly inconsistent about everything that comes with it.

It's the arbitrary nature and poor communication that 'bums a few people out', nothing more nothing less.

[whole jasper]

Scopely is not obligated to give you anything in compensation, it is just an in-game event that is offline while it is being fixed, it's not like you can't play the game.

It's all very spoiled nowadays and everyone thinks they are entitled to stuff.

Let them work the event out to be more fair for everyone and use what they give you in return to keep the progress going on.

It's not a reason to be rude or condescending towards other players.

[bleak crane]

What you call entitlement is taking Scopely at their word. Player expectations rise out of a culture they introduced but fail to keep up with. Is it really spoiled to expect a functioning system & steady progress in case it doesn't? Graded comp chests when costs / earnings are equal across all ops-levels & less than max-pulls for a F2P resource have no reasonable basis. Period.

I'm sure people who never earned anything in arena gladly take any freebie thrown their way, because any context highlighting the absurd nature of the current comp chests would certainly get said leechers less. Live long and prosper, friend 🖖

[pallid hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/beckett-mariner-sarcastic-vulcan-salute-mariner-vulcan-salute-sarcastic-gif-21101051

[turbid wadi]

So i see after a month there's player's still having an issue with 1. The comp chests being given out to everyone. 2. The amount being given out to different ops level considering same cost across all ops levels.

While valid arguments I'm sure and the player's who will disagree with my statement here I'm still going to voice it as one who can understand both sides. Yes it feels like if you're on the side that max's out your weekly claims in arena that you're getting shafted. Yes the cost per turn ins is the same as an ops40 player I know it sux huh instead of costs going up for same returns as many other aspects of the game. Yes it sux that players who doesn't engage at all with arena's are getting that comp chest and engaging in content that they didn't engage in before which btw may "actually" convince them to engage in said content when it comes back!!!

Now for the other side of the player's. You are getting a freebie for not having engaged in the arena content congratulations. This is something that ev1 experiences grom time to time in reg game prime example the ceasefire shields when given for a disaster when you dont live in that area of the country or affected at all by it yet reap the "rewards" from it (something many right now can admit to). The comp chest while you may not deserve it personally I hope that you use it wisely and get involved with arena's once it comes back and i hope you can enjoy the favors and other content more than you didn't beforehand.

Now for my personal stance my current lifestyle over past 3 weeks has changed since arena's came out at start. Real life changes and job changes happen not everyone has the same 9-5 kind of job that others do. Not everyone has the option of having a job that allows or gives you an opportunity to play this game while you're at work and getting paid to do your job. I haven't been able to engage fully in arena's since the first week. While being torn/thankful about it many here would say tough oh well.

I should remind you do you ever get anything free in this game but didn't earn it. Let's be honest it happens to everyone on this game many just feel like because they getting shafted on what they normally earn weekly compared to comp chest that they're getting screwed and you are absolutely they should get rid of the comp chest so no one gets anything that should make you happy while they're trying to fix the content you enjoy so much right......

When you put yourself up on a pedestal and try to take a stand on how you feel slighted by something just remember while you're up on that stool it easy to see everything is wrong but you forget you're easier to see from everyone below you on how good you usally have it. Peace out reflect and understand no one is getting a good deal from this comp chest not the ppl who deserve more from it not the one's who never engage with arena's either since it's taking them longer to get to anything thats worth it to them. least the players who have engaged in arena's have stuff unlocked while one's who haven't have to spend weeks to unlock it

[fickle niche]

tl;dr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1158735542574387240/1325875092785201214/Arena_Funky.gif

[dusky osprey]

If they don't rotate the day and/or time and extend the time scale arena is active it will forever be a contentious piece of content. Some people want to engage but can't due to time not willingness.

[high socket]

If you aren’t willing to rearrange your life and alienate all kinds of people for the sake of the game, you aren’t who Scopely wants.

This is no longer an idle time game for your phone, this is a lifestyle occupation.

[dusky osprey]

Funny. I imagine this conversation happening when they discuss the game internally. 'Players are obligated to play our game when we tell them, and perform the tasks within these couple of hours on this day'

[high socket]

This game is a perfect example of death by a thousand cuts. They keep seeing how far they can push the players, and especially the spenders and high achievers, and when they stick around and adapt to the last steaming pile of an idea, they push a little further with the next.

I’ve said it in the past and I’ll say it again, their psych division is far better staffed and paid than their programming team.

[dusky osprey]

Worst part in this case, arena is actually not that bad (relative to some of the other stuff) match making can be a bit wonky sometimes but if you get a good match up it can be fun. The timing just plain sucks. Out of the 6-7 weeks it was actually running I think I missed 4 completely just because I was unavailable during those hours. Having a rotation on different days of the week each week/ shift the time slightly cannot be that hard to program in and give everyone a chance to actually play it.

[turbid wadi]

thats the hardest part not that its a bad piece of content its actually rather nice and interesting. The rub on all of it is its 1 day a week for 8hrs and not every single person that plays this game can have that time available to play or have a job where they can get paid to not work and play a game. Personally i wish i had a job that i could do that but since i work in restaurants my job is to make sure ev1 gets to eat and not have to cook and clean up after themselves. I love my job but this game aint worth my getting fired over scopley wants me to play the game all day long sure no prob pay me to cost is double my daily wage and I'm there.

[red dust]

How hard would it be to just make it a 24hr event and have entry tickets that are used to start one? They could give like 10 free tickets weekly, and if you want to do more, then there is your spending player base. And if you can't participate one week, you can do extras in other weeks.

[trim crow]

haaah...1 more week of arena without full pulls..Would have been at Exalted rep, 1000 premium dust richer and MU Uhura nearly unlocked had it been running the past 3 weeks. Which was my original plan.

[bleak crane]

Expecting change, when the CM that is supposedly forwarding criticism & making a case for you doesn't believe in its merits, is bold anyway 😂

[plain aurora]

only 3300 Arena "coins"... and 8400 needed for full pull... this week will the first where i dosnt have enougth since arena was cancelt... what a joke... and i cant laughting 😡

[full vine]

I've been stuck "unable" to level up for like a month now cause there's no point going to 46 until I can buy the efficiency to make the Pilum cheaper, all I'd be doing by going up in ops is making the game harder for myself

[grizzled arrow]

For the love of all that is holy, please change the compensation chest to give out more than the bare minimum.
This has been requested since week 1 of postponing Arenas, clearly players aren't respected enough to even consider adequate compensation.
Compensation after arenas are "fixed" is not enough. Players are getting borked with no ranking up, too few credits and a lack of communication in regards to the postponing of the feature.

Compensation after arenas are fixed is just simply too late

[rocky osprey]

Any updates on the return of Arena?

[bleak crane]

https://tenor.com/view/cleaning-lazy-sweep-sweeping-hiding-gif-11120468

[harsh night]

Arena currency without being able to rank up is unhelpful. We're on what three weeks now?

[obtuse island]

I don't think there is anything they are fixing, my bet is players were progressing through it too quickly for there liking so cancelling the event and trickling out the currency in pathetic comp chests was there way to rebalance.

[knotty lantern]

As a non arena player I'm happy with the chests. Now promote everyone to silver 3 so I can get that efficiency favor and all is well 😏

[stoic verge]

Can someone please explain me Scopely's calendar? Three weeks of no arena were over last week; today still nothing. When will we finally get it back?

[inner plover]

when it's fixed

[stoic verge]

lol... Since when do they fix anything? See tournament

[knotty lantern]

Why not remove rank requirements of any pve related stuff in terran store? I get that pvp favors, officers and everything else related to pvp is locked behind a ranking system. But locking pve stuff behind a pvp ranking when having an additional system in reputation doesn't make that much sense to me 🤔

[turbid osprey]

Sad face. After comp chest I have enough for just under 8 max refinery pulls and need 74 more bps for the ship. Hope I can still unlock it in 37 days. Can't get anything else till it's unlocked.

[outer mountain]

Hey @muted badger, any chance you were able to get more details on why the comp is broken up by grade (and if there's a chance of fixing that if arenas stay suspended)?

[muted badger]

Haven't heard any updates regarding the comp chest.

[sharp axle]

Problem is they’re only pathetic for g4 players and disappointing for g5 players… g6 players can almost do full pulls

[outer mountain]

Thanks for staying on top of this, hopefully we can get arenas back soon or get some clarification on/improvements to the comp if not.

[worn apex]

The only thing that makes sense for them breaking it up this way is to punish anyone under G6 quite frankly. As a 50 I was able to do full pulls because I was participating in Arenas fully, yet we’re now being reduced to single pulls as a G4 because…..why? No logic behind it.

[sharp axle]

Because we haven’t spent enough… except there are lots of g4 players on younger servers who have spent plenty 😅

[flat solstice]

they said it would be 3 weeks

[sly prawn]

then pls dont call it a comp chest, its an offence towards players about an embarrassing faulty product where scopely fully denies any responsibility and willingly refuses to even OFFSET players LOSSES.
when will we get a real compensation (which just doesnt include the loss of the last suspended weeks but also literally and truthfully with a COMPENSATION on top)?
the whole year end procedure and new arc start are just a poor testiment of scopelys continuous ignorance of players... i mean ... does anyone over there actually play and understand the game they work on? given what we see its more than dubious meanwhile.

[polar phoenix]

If arenas aren’t going to be run then please give us a way to increase our arena tier so that we can unlock the research. I’d been slowly building up arena tier and saving, and it’s frustrating to not be able to keep progressing.

[gilded brook]

I agree, they should change things around some but Scopely doesn't know what logic is unfortunately. Otherwise, why would they lock an armada ship behind a PVP mechanic? Voyager officers in gorn eviserator refinery amd Ex-borg faction store? SNW officer in Gorn refinery as well? So many things they do don't make any sense.

[worn apex]

To be fair, SNW officers in Gorn refinery makes perfect sense. They built towards a Gorn showdown in the show the entire last season, capping off with the Gorn abducting a bunch of people.

[cold fiber]

This. I’ve been stuck waiting on that G5 engineering favor. I don’t want to spend any credits on new ships until I have it hahaha

[polar phoenix]

Same

[thorn thicket]

You could of grinded the ship blueprints. Plus if you can't sit in the next ops level for a couple weeks then you're not truly ready.

[full vine]

I don't have Rom 1b locked and yeah I'm not ready without the Pilum that's exactly why I'm not going up to 46 ops until I can get it...

[odd bough]

Why not keep part of the arena weekly chest! Say enough to do a single daily pull. The arena takes a significant about of time to dedicated to the day just for doing a single chest pull and this would greatly get more players involved. Espexially if you made locks on ranks so you don't lose it so quickly. Drop it down to 0, but don't lose it.

[turbid wadi]

that's what I've been trying to say for a month now to not have anyone lose a rank but lose rep within that rank for sure still takes time to go to next rank but at least ya don't feel like every loss makes you regret playing rofl

[thorn thicket]

Can understand waiting, but... You have 1. Been able to level up for a month. 2 been able to grind rom rep to second lock during this last months time. In which you would have gained other ship blueprints from that grind and be grinding for pilum prints at this time.

Yes. We can blame scopely for not fixing the event and slowing down progress. Can't blame them for lack of your own game progress.

[full vine]

Or and hear me out, I'm not so desperate to play the game that I'm gonna let FOMO force me to play and do boring stuff like grind ROM rep for 40 hours and then go kill 30k ships in Rom space to get BP's for the pilum

I log on for like an hour, do my dailies, do any events and go play something else and actually have fun, hell I've got the 508k credits at this point but I'm still not paying full price for it when there's a F2P option right there that saves me grinding another like 150k credits for a G4 survey straight afterwards all I'd be doing is screwing myself over

You're basically telling me to slow down my own progression so I don't miss out

[thorn thicket]

Full cred price is the original f2p option. The efficiency is a nice bonus for that progression. Suggesting to keep working on 2nd lock with a little extra grinding is not telling you to slow your own progression. Kind of already doing that yourself.

[turbid osprey]

F2P here. A few things dealing with Pilum. Thought they were in the store prior to 1B lock? Also you can get them from the away team store and some event stores. Also can grind in the Klingon Amalgam 48 system for BP drops with no rep impact.

Now onto more Arena. Have they given anymore info besides returning on the 20th? Like did they make it a 12 hrs timer?

[full vine]

You can start buying them from 444m rep and they're Rom not Klingon

[willow mantle]

He meant the 48 system with Romus ships in the Klingon area. There you can kill Romulans without losing reputation. And at 48 are Pilum plans in the boxes

[full vine]

I'm currently on 650m ROM rep, about 600 million of that has been done at Sol killing the traders, I've got 6 USS newston blueprints in that time so I'm gonna pass on killing tens of thousands of ships and go play literally any other game until arena comes back at which point I can buy the 50% discount and go back to playing the game, I'm not that desperate for a pilum that I want to spend 8 hours a day farming ships for 3 blueprints, I'd just pay the 508k credits at that point seeing as I already have them

[willow mantle]

I had only explained the post of the before. You can do what you want. If you don't want to grind, buy the plans. Arena is coming back on January 20th. 🤷🏻‍♂️. Then you get your G4 cost reduction thing✅.

[full vine]

I'll believe it when I see it, they also said it was coming back this week

[willow mantle]

Maybe Scoply will remove the cost reduction. There was something about change there. 😬. Would be fun up in any case... then you can continue to complain here every day 😅. Sorry... I had to allow myself the joke🙈. All the best for your game and I keep my fingers crossed that you have it soon✌️🍹

[turbid wadi]

you can get many different types of ship blueprints from chests i still get envoy blueprints when i hit freebooter lv60s it's literally a roll of the dice in my opinion. As for waiting for the pilum yea i tried doing the same while progressing my ops and research way before arena's was here used chests for npc, armada chests away teams missions and stores arc stores and guess what i still ended up buying some blueprints not many but still the important thing was I didnt spend real money on it for scopley which is a win no matter what but you do you @full vine

[stiff sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/tomorrow-annie-youre-ony-a-day-away-gif-13996266

[full vine]

You guys seem to think I'm complaining about having to buy pilum blueprints, I'm not complaining about that, obviously you have to buy them they're not just gonna give you the ship

I am complaining that there's no way to access the 50% discount on all G4 FKR ships with the arena disabled....

[rich citrus]

they brought in the bp efficiency feature, it’s taking a break cause they‘re working on arena gameplay improvements 🤷‍♂️ how about less outrage and thumbs up for the good intentions

[toxic pine]

Can I make a request? Run another Alliance Tourny not Arena! Arena is not fun...like at all

[fickle niche]

most of us in APAC have been asking to move the arena timings ahead by few hours since it's impossible to take part in it on a Monday during working hours. feedback seems pointless unless it comes from a loudmouth content creator

[wicked tulip]

<@&509690795536941056> So zero notes in that blog post on perhaps the largest issue in arenas: arena rank.... while its fine to have a system where losses might incur some penalty, the penalty is way too large. I have been stuck at gold 2 for many weeks now since losses and wins have the same point impact. Essentially I net zero each run of arenas and cannot progress to get the terran favors I need. There has to be a modification to make it so that losing isnt the end of the world in these, as all that does is motivate folks not to play. Just a thought.

[turbid osprey]

True the 50% (33% actual) is nice. And buying now would not cost 500k in credits. I did get that reduction and it put the bps at 966 per. Just fyi. Grinding out BPs is always a long road. And am just curious, you are ops 45?

[turbid osprey]

My lose is 1/1. They are trying to keep it somewhat balanced so don't get too many high ranks.

[zenith geode]

Wanted to provide feedback on the blog post and details about the arena updates.

I personally really appreciate the level of detail provided. Including examples of the information I can provide to better help is also useful. I normally have lots of critiques that I post and I'm sure others didn't like the post but I wanted to provide my positive feedback this time.

The improved communication is great, keep that up.

[wicked tulip]

They made the mistake of tying that rank to non-arena favors, so its a big issue. If they disconnect rank from favors, I would be fine with it. I dont care about the rank, just the favors they decided to lock behind it.

[full vine]

yeah I know, it takes the price from 508k down to roughly 340k, sat at 44 currently and have the mats & latinum to just "skip" straight through 45 into 46 and to get the pilum to around t5 or 6 depending on if I've done the maths right at which point I can just camp there and catch back up

[polar phoenix]

Yup this is really annoying. But not as annoying as the fact we don’t even get any chance to increase our arena tier because they’re not being run!

[turbid wadi]

so 1 month it was gone and all that's been done is "hopefully" fixed the lag issues with having to reload/reset game rubber banding issues wow hate to see how long it would take to fix the whole game of these issues rather than a very new facet of the game which was alrdy straining the dinosaur server they using but hey it's coming back joy oh joy. Now we can find out if the 500 or so(just a guess it's prolly less) people they had testing this while it was removed equates to everyone that actually plays it for 8hrs a day every week and get in a match every 10 or so minutes

[maiden raptor]

the arena costs far too much time!
you have to find a team (which might take pretty long - let's say 20min) then you have to wait for the matchup, countdown to fighting and up to 10min fighting plus waiting for results and being brought back into the game - that's at least 20min and in the worst case up to an hour - and as a reward you get 400 credits for the store... - I know it might be faster but please consider that this happens, too.
And it's happened more than once that I gave up waiting for a squad after an hour.

suggestions to reduce frustration:

• add the option to enter with just 2 players or even solo - the risk of loosing is high but it should be an option to be able to participate at all
• reduce max time!
• add an option to surrender! why wait it there's no chance of winning? it's just wasted time
• reduce the points needed for winning! they were originally intended to be scared by 5 players - since it's only 3 now the points needed should be reduced

please, please, please give us a chance to get credits in sensible time spent to acquire them!

[placid flicker]

I think another addition would be to award arena rating for a loss too, for example, if you lose you get 10 rating points (1/10th), at least that way players who don't focus on PvP and therefore are likely to lose at least don't feel that arenas are a waste of time, especially as the Terran store benefits are linked to the rating.

Yes it would take 10 times longer to get there but at least there is a chance that you will

[glossy pilot]

Here is why I still won’t be participating in arenas: the NSEA Protector.

I’m sure some people have gotten it purely F2P by now, but for whatever reason, I’m still short 21 bps. At ops 53, the best ship I can build is a g5 uncommon FKR, or a non-FKR ship that’s limited by ops level. At lower ops levels, someone can build the NSEA Protector, advance it to nearly 1B power, and stomp all over me. I have no chance of contributing anything useful to an arena match, apart from being a minor distraction. Most of my time is spent in time out, unless I spend all of my arena credits — and then $ome — on repair tokens, only to be stomped on all over again 30 seconds later by someone who can’t even build a g5 ship or refine g5 uncommon mats / ship parts.

So until I get my last 21 NSEA Protector bps and get it leveled up to 1B power, I’ll be avoiding the arena of “not fun gameplay,” tyvm.

[glass sequoia]

It was F2P obtainable on the 2nd run of invasions. If you don’t have it yet that one is kinda on you.

[glossy pilot]

The expectation shouldn’t be that everyone play religiously and optimally or else they risk not being competitive against otherwise significantly weaker opponents.

[glossy pilot]

The NSEA Protector isn’t even supposed to be “the” PvP / Arena ship. It only is because of the horrible balancing for lower ops levels.

[glass sequoia]

The NSEA is the one ship in the game where you don’t have to play a ton to get it. It was the easiest ship ever to F2P.

[uneven wing]

the NESA is also only 1b at ops 50 if you spend a ton on it, and most of those people can kill a g5u with a g4e anyway

[glossy pilot]

People build g4 epics?

[uneven wing]

People on g4 locked servers do

[glossy pilot]

So… those that are irrelevant to the discussion.

[uneven wing]

the players i've seen with 700m+ NESAS at ops 50 are on g4 locked servers

[glossy pilot]

Well, I’m on server 10, which is definitely not g4 locked, and I have seen them.

[uneven wing]

have you been seeing them from g4 players though?

on your server?

[glossy pilot]

At least one was in the 40s. Others have been 52 or under — still not able to build g5 warships.

And the one in his 40s may not have been at 1B power, but he was still high enough that my 180M Vorcha had no chance.

[glass sequoia]

If your vorcha is at 180M a decent Pilum would smoke it

[uneven wing]

before 50 it's limited to T6, which every time I've seen it is small enough that it should die to a G5.
At 50, T9+ requires G5U, which either requires going to 51 (which is close enough to 53 that you shouldn't care) or buying a ton of packs (which if your vor'cha is 180m bodes poorly for how it does against g4's, yes)

I have only ever run into the doom NESAS from people who had - if not exactly as terrifying - comparably terrifying G4 Epics. I'm fairly confident one had a 400m Ent-A

[turbid osprey]

For me the NSEA is my speed ship to get things going pve. And great for getting in madas before timer

[glass sequoia]

A 53 with bad research and I’d imagine a meh crew is very killable by lots of stuff

[outer mountain]

At this point you can also get enough G5 UC by scrapping a rev at T5, but also not really the point because you'd still need to be buying an absurd number of Protector upgrade packs to get it to the insane power numbers.

[glossy pilot]

Define “decent” and the triangle still makes a difference.

[uneven wing]

TIL? But also anyone scrapping a rev already is, again, buying several packs

[outer mountain]

No, that's just buying the single unlock pack for the rev

[glass sequoia]

T10 with someone with decent research

[uneven wing]

I mean for context here I'm in G5 and my vor'cha is 197m in the shipyard so if you're flying around with one at 180m there's certainly room to improve things.

[glass sequoia]

Since either your Vorcha is T2 or your research is bad

And ya, at 54 that’s my out of the box Vorcha power

[glossy pilot]

Okay. So a 197M Vorcha is going to fare better against a 500M+ NSEA?

[glass sequoia]

No, your Vorcha could be T8 and you’d still get smoked because it sounds like your research is garbo

[outer mountain]

Nope, the person who bought a ton of upgrade packs for that ship is still going to crush you. But so would their Ent-A, and probably also their Pilum.

[glass sequoia]

Yep, someone with research just like yours had a Sanctus that I spanked with my Pilum week 1 of arenas when I was 49

And I was a battlepass + $50 a year player

For the last 3 months I haven’t even wasted the money on the bps since they seem to just keep making bugs worse

[glossy pilot]

But I can understand an advanced Ent-A crushing a g5 unc. 400M power makes sense and I wouldn’t be complaining about that. 500M - 1B does not.

[glass sequoia]

G5 uncs are junk bro

They’re easy to beat with 46s/50s and yes even NSEAs unless you’re a whale and dumped a ton into it

[fickle niche]

ship power is subjective. crew, research, artifacts, FT and favors play a huge role

[glossy pilot]

You’re claiming that all else being equal a g4 rare is going to have an easy time defeating a g5 unc? Equivalent officers, research, etc.?

[glass sequoia]

Equally tiered? No, a solid T10 Pilum though is going to smoke your Vorcha though because they’ll have better research and more BD slots.

What tier is the Vorcha 3/4?

[turbid osprey]

I'm 47 and have beat 50+ players with double the ship power. So it have a lot of variables

[fickle niche]

i just moved to ops53 before this arc started. those are power numbers even before building them and docking.

[glossy pilot]

How can a T10 Pilum have definitively better research than a Vorcha? Is there really research that affects combat and doesn’t apply to higher tiers?

[glass sequoia]

What we’ve been telling you is that your research is awful. 197 should be what you roll out of the dock at

Your research is why you’re getting beat, you’re a paper tiger

[glossy pilot]

So what, you’re claiming that if my research were better, a 200M Vorcha would be taking down a 500M+ NSEA, everything else being equal?

[glass sequoia]

If everything else was equal your Vorcha wouldn’t be 200M

A 500M NSEA sub 51 is someone with a ton of research/primes which you clearly don’t have.

[fickle niche]

can, easily. if the nsea in question is owned by someone with similar lvl of research capping. NSEA doesnt have PVP ability and it's PVE ability is limited to MU hostiles. so it all comes down to crew and research

[glossy pilot]

So it basically comes down to $$$ or, like I said, playing religiously.

[willow mantle]

If your research and your officers are good... size doesn't matter. Exception there's a 30 billion Scimitar coming... then run. Editor's note: it's not my ship!!! Many just forget the research and think only big ships are everything

[glass sequoia]

First time playing F2P/P2W games?

[turbid osprey]

Back on the start time and duration of event. We all know they can set the start times different for districts. APAC, EU and US servers should start separate. More towards there more active times. Also it should be a 12 hrs event to give peeps that work odd hours a good chance to participate in it.

[rancid bloom]

One of the big issues in Arena isn’t lag, it’s the positioning bug for Cubes, where the Cube’s apparent location in the system often isn’t even close to its actual position. For speed-based crews trying to avoid a Cube, this often proves fatal. Any updates on fixing that?

[wicked tulip]

Cube is broken everywhere like that, agreed its a major buzzkill in arenas

[glossy pilot]

No, but this and other Scopely games, are insanely skewed in P2W direction.

[thorn thicket]

I have beat g5uc like yours with g4uc. Slow down and do your research. Ill give some examples standby.

[thorn thicket]

@glossy pilot

[chrome marten]

so you do not have an issue getting flattened by 1b power ships as long as their ops level is higher ? but you feel somehow defeated if a lower ops is doing that to you ? or are you the one that usually flattens everyone being at the top of your arena bracket and now can't do it anymore ? that's a bit one-sided.

[sharp axle]

Honestly, the triangle doesn’t help as much as you think it does 🤣

This is against the triangle. The hull damage I started with is from smoking the same guy’s Northcutt

[dusty escarp]

I think the best update done to Arena was removing the event and replacing it with a weekly gift chest. Any changes now would just be going backwards.

[blazing otter]

I am hoping this is true, but inside I know full well my first match will be us 3 x 57 vs 59, 64 and a 70, because as long as people can manipulate the matching making for easy wins and rewards, they will.

"Refined Matchmaking: Based on your feedback, we’ve refined certain matchmaking parameters to help create more balanced matchups. Additional refinements are planned, so keep that feedback coming.

[sly prawn]

Also all the Blog post is just a shame. They haven’t touched any of the issues and feedback about the whole faction, ranking, progress, rewards etc
Also the cube specifically wasn’t mentioned or issues with too fast ships.
They are simply neglecting and denying it.
And they really suppose we applaud and can’t wait to jump back in playing this broken feature.
Many gave up even to try and after the break even more abandoned it.
I hope the players participation next week reaches new record lows. Players should jointly reject it at all

[lime crane]

I wouldn’t go that far.
Is the arena fun? -> Yes.
Is it perfect or bug-free? -> Definitely not.
But I appreciate every bug fix, stability improvement, and reduction in loading time.

I have a feeling that the game has evolved in a different direction than originally planned (as they mentioned in their post).
Changing or adding features can trigger a chain reaction in older functions (legacy code).

I’m not saying that Scopely is doing everything perfectly—they should hire more employees to fix bugs or test new content before release.
However, modifying code in a growing application is definitely not an easy task. 😄

[waxen star]

Was the level ranges fixed in arena queues... the ranges are way to wide...

Personally won't participate if a 49 can fight a 54...

[waxen star]

This is why arean should not be alliance based... be a level queue in system like 45-49... then when 6 players get matched they come together as two teams of 3...

[radiant dock]

so much of this game depends on the unseen. crews. research. buildings favors. ft. ct. etc. don’t focus on pure numbers.

i could go on forever. but you will never know unless you try.

seriously. just numbers. ok i’m done

[lime crane]

Impressive win 👍
Just out of curiosity... do you have pvp primes, Tantilus and Gwen?
Its to bad you cant compare research in Battle Logs.
But still impressive 🙂

[blazing otter]

While it true research, favours and crew can have an impact. Once the level gaps gets this big NO amount of research or favours will help you. This is the match that prompt me to quit arenas.

[radiant dock]

we’ve all had bad matchups don’t let one bad experience taint everything.

[blazing otter]

thats the thing, it wasn't one match and throw my toys out the pram, its 10 in a row

[radiant dock]

i have a taint but no pvp primes and no gwen. just 7/9 keira and tendi were on deck at this one

[sharp axle]

The Tantalus field alone is really strong though 😅 The Q Cannon is too

[thorn thicket]

Well if you get squashed fast enough the matches only last 5 minutes.

[keen delta]

Allow solo queue option with a “squad chat” feature. Allow for personalized level adjustments so you could in theory play 1v1, 2v2, or 3v3 with the same levels. Prevents the typical lowbie anchor with the capped level carry just going ham on everyone.

[red dust]

Until they fix matchmaking, this is the most effective method to exploit this broken feature

[faint wharf]

I saw your your announcement about the arena. I'm wondering how running around in circles is a good arena tournament?
With the time you had you didn't add anything. It shows a lack of imagination and understanding of an arena.
Biggest thing is arenas aren't only where competitions accure, it's also a spectacle. No one can view matches is the exact opposite.
The other thing is without obstacles there is no way anyone can compete against some whales with the ability to catch and destroy all opponents.
You could add mines that explode, you can add nebulas where ships can hide, you can add debris fields, asteroids.
My opinion is it's a great game, your doing an OK job, but you can do much better. Thank you for the arena, please continue to make it great.

[wispy ivy]

Arenas should not run on a work day with half of the time during normal work hours...

[worthy vine]

If arenas turned off all research and only arena favours counted it would be more interesting

[uneven wing]

it would be more boring

what's the point of doing research that makes you better at PvP if the "do PvP recurring event" doesn't reward it?

[late girder]

You’re suggesting that the algorithm makes random groups out of 6 applicants? That sounds like a horrible idea. Strategising with a team of your choice is part of the fun; randomly being dumped with possibly two noobs is just a waste of your time

[halcyon imp]

I've noticed that in wave defences.
when teamed up with random people, even high ops, it's often a mess.
within the alliance we tend to be incredibly efficient.

[waxen star]

Then at least make it instanced where you can only use the two ships you assign like waves...

[glass sequoia]

So 90% of your time will be spent dead? Another brilliant idea.

[polar phoenix]

Just so fed up with not being able to increase arena tier. Indeed the whole arena tier mechanic (in addition to arena rep) sucks

[flat basalt]

No but we improved lag, probably.

[turbid wadi]

improved until it relaunches and ev1 thats been going without all hope into srenas at once and crashes it again rofl just sayin

[waxen star]

Do they not have beta test servers where players can test new content or fixes and provide feedback

[turbid wadi]

yep the theory is we are all going on is we're the testers since we find so many bugs every arc launch or after every maintenance that they themselves are either not aware of or unable to admit. They probably do have their own but as the arena blog stated they only have a small environment that they test it on so odds are not many testers and or time spent to find out everything that might go boom

[pearl frigate]

servers have been lagging and performance has been dreadful the past few days, so lets see the drama unfold when arena restarts and nothing works

[turbid wadi]

lol oh its gonna be a cluster bomb of messages for sure

[wispy ivy]

In the past, I noticed a large subset of teams we would face in arena that we had no chance of winning vs who would drag out the match to the full 10 min just to be jerks. Never underestimate how much of an a$$ people will be when hidden behind a keyboard.

[celest folio]

So this is how the new improved arena's matchmaking started for our first match.... really.... this is not good matchmaking, sorry.

[grim island]

Arenas fixed? what a joke, extremely laggy, crap matching and the screen that shows if you won or lost doesn’t even appear 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Another great job scopely😆

🙄

[glacial junco]

4 matches so far. Experience has been similar to previous iterations. Game froze on match start 3 times. Ship tracking was bad. Pretty much all the usual issues. However, there were periodic moments where things ran smoothly. I would estimate for approx 20 - 25% of the match in total.

[vernal steppe]

well done stuck on arena battle

[ripe ingot]

still rubber banding and lag

193

ships stuck in combat

[fallen gust]

Don’t worry they will ignore APAC saying all this. Then they’ll act surprised when US/EU rolls around tomorrow like their experience didn’t just happen 24 hours prior and act all surprised. Scopely doesn’t work on weekends so running APAC while they don’t work is stupid

[ripe hedge]

Working as scopes intended…. 🤣

[gray scroll]

haven't noticed any good changes to arenas, was honestly better before the break

[fallen gust]

It’s the same dog 💩. Match making still screwed. Can still game matches with lower ops level and lag still there. There is a reason all of Scopely’s posts are usually devoid of actual detail. I can’t imagine being a principal engineer and saying “we can’t test things” and still having my job 😂

[normal ledge]

Same issues as before the break with addition of new problems:

1. Stuck matching

• old issue. Some members of squad are stuck showing matching while others have already matched and are in the arena itself. Workaround is to restart app. This is a major issue since the person stuck matching has no idea it’s happening unless they randomly restart the app constantly or someone in the squad speaks up asking where they are.

2. Can’t warp into arena

• old issue. Prep countdown timer gets to 0 you can’t warp any ship in. Error shows inaccessible ship limit 0. Workaround is restart app. Hope you realise how much time you lose at the crucial start of an arena doing a restart of the app just to warp in.

3. End of arena win or loss?

• New issue. End of an arena there’s no scoreboard no indication if it’s a win or loss. If you have a back button top left you can press it then the details show. Minor issue in comparison to the others.

4. Ship Stuck in warp

• old issue occurs outside of arena as well. You warp a ship into arena area everything looks normal but when countdown gets to 0 it’s still saying warping and ship is lost u can’t recall u got no idea where it is. Workaround is app restart after which you usually find your ship back in the dock at the station wasting great amount of time.

5. Ship shows destroyed but it’s not

• Old issue happens outside arena too usually triggers when low hull health and you are either buffed or debuffed. Most of the time happens immediately when u get buffed or debuffed ship changes to destroyed state after few secs it may return to normal state or does it when u click repair. In arena the addition of the issue where its in the arena but it shows destroyed and u cant move it at all. Within 10 or so secs or if someone attacks u it returns to normal.

Matchmaking is hard to tell the matches I had seemed slightly better but could just be random luck.
One issue is still matching with ops 70 players.
Unless the ops 70 is a terrible player, has terrible squad mates and you are under ops 70 you have no chance to beat their g6 epics.
Does your matching algorithm prioritise 70s matching with other 70s if no match failover to anyone?
At least give us a surrender option to hasten those bad matchups please.

[dusky osprey]

cant wait to see nothing has changed later🤣

[light lake]

Same unplayable crap as it was last time. Ships getting stuck in warp, ships getting stuck in combat, directives not being looted, armadas not respawning, loading screen lock ups, and all the general lag. What exactly did y'all spend all those weeks fixing?

[lusty bane]

first game went awesome i thought we were going to have good arenas, 2nd game and since RiP

cant enter system even after several restarts its a joke again

you cant be serious

its ok it wont let me join anyway

[tulip geyser]

Arena is back!!! And it comes with a fresh batch of insanely bad lag, ships getting stuck in battle for 30 seconds at a time and not being able to click on anything at all until the lag catches up! Well worth the wait. If you can't get it to work smoothly, that's ok, just remove it from the game, but don't force it back in when it's still not even half baked

[toxic pine]

A better event would have been Tournament

Seriously Old issues still existing new issues this is a broken and badly designed event alomst dont want to participate in 2 hours oh wait i still have work in 2 hours make that 3 hours. Let me guess time is still limited to the 5hours or what ever it was

[neon wagon]

WHY? WHY was maintenance put AFTER arenas?? this week especially has been the WORST week of STFC connections and gameplay issues for me. I predicted an awful arenas run and it looks to have been proven correct. Even before Arenas return this week...the game has had a terrible connection and restarting bug or fault. Collect a chest from recruit....restart. change screens ....freeze and restart. Why was it decided to have maintenance after arenas? Surely i cant be the only one to have envisioned huge problems with the arenas mechanics on top of the already faulty gameplay??? Do better Scopely!!

[toxic pine]

One thing we need to understand though with Scopely, no SCAMELY, is they only care about profit so our complaints wont get this fixed it will show its not making profit so they will make a new loop to get the same stuff at a lower rate to force participation in this broken event, or pack purchases in the new loop eitherway they want profit they have spent more time than they want to on 'trying' not that I think they have actually tried, to fix the event. It will be abandoned soon like those Star Base assaults

[glacial junco]

I found matchmaking to be considerably worse than it ever has been. It was downright terrible today. And I've always said matchmaking has generally been really good. Mathematically at least. Looks like in your instance they've possibly piled a huge weighting / handicap onto rank.

[fickle niche]

4 weeks of no way to rank up and garbage comp chest and now back to back 4 matches with g6 players.

[weak heron]

I’m so excited about this prospect when I was one victory away from what I needed last time.

[fickle niche]

yeah and now i am 10 victories away from leveling up my rank, just got free from work, only had an hour to participate and scopely throws more turd on my face with this

<@&509690795536941056> push back APAC timings by few hours or make it a 12 hours window. this is pathetic

7th loss in a row

good matching scopely

[weak heron]

I’m so excited to be even further away from it than when I go in.

[fickle niche]

same. needed 2000pts for next rank up and now need 3900 pts

[south gazelle]

Is very obvious in this game that it was not design or built for multiplayer game activity . It was PVE and not PVP oriented from start . Trying to make it now work like a multiplayer game will require much work then simple fixes

[winter mulch]

I'm glad my work hours align with my arena hours so I don't have to be disappointed

[low otter]

please post more matchmaking screenshots

[eager abyss]

Looks like I made the right decision to keep ignoring Arenas, looks just a broken as it was before 😂

[ripe dirge]

So, it's still broken - cool.

[pearl frigate]

points lagging like crazy, 3 big madas done and still only showing 89 points for the team

[eager abyss]

My alliance mates tried one, Alliance chat is now just swearing and angry players with stuck ships, yeah great one Scopely 👍 😂😂

[pearl frigate]

no overview to show your rank or loot gained is a bit strange too? oh second match did show it. nice and consistent behaviour

[wary roost]

When you get your dev ops engineers from Temu

[gritty cobalt]

they can't attack or totally can't control their ships?

[low otter]

smells like error 0 where you can't launch ships

[tough birch]

Shall look forward to another comp chest 😊

[inland cloud]

Prep Phase not ending bug...

[tardy eagle]

Us servers haven't opened Arenas back up yet today but seems same issues still going on from what I'm hearing here and match making is still annoying as ever .

Until they fix matchmaking in my opinion is worst thing, I'm not engaging in Arenas. Players working the system to get easy matches I think is pitiful.

Match making needs to be based of highest ops. At least similar ops can fight each other even if it's 1 higher ops vs 2 or 3 higher ops rather then 3 equal level ops vs a untouchable ops player playing with tiny ops . Fix the system of match making because im not interested, one less player in the pool to match with. And this coming from someone who loves pvp

[toxic pine]

not participating in this f ailing event its far to broken

[gritty cobalt]

We completely understand your frustration. Yeah, matchmaking is #1 pain point of arena and as we speak the team is actively working on it

[tardy eagle]

Thank you sir, one could only hope they actually do

[edgy orchid]

why am i facing ops 70 ? two ships ahead of me ?

can u not fix a simple mobile game

incompetent game developers

[wary roost]

Are they trying to do it based both on ops and arena ranking??? If so there’s your problem. Remove ranking and make it ops only and you solve the problem

[low otter]

average ops was a step in the right direction - the problem is it could be gamed by going -7, median, +7 ops. a simple change would've been to account for deviation in the matchmaking calculation.

i've compiled the data from the four available screenshots and there doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to it across ops or rank.

[edgy orchid]

the trick is u need to have a really low guy and then u can 2 big ops .. it seems

[toxic pine]

So you end up matchin to that big ops yes I know tried little guy started one and big ops joined still faced 70s

[wary roost]

Not if they base it on 3 individual players rather than an average. They’ve tried to take the lazy/easy route.

[edgy orchid]

so what is a ops 70 doing vs below ops 65 ppl

i knoiw what this is.. this is made for p2win whales to have fun

[toxic pine]

I am done with this though so enjoy if it gets fixed I might try again but dont think it will be they losing money with the constant reworks to it muting this channel now

[tawny parrot]

this is a joke again... lag is horrible, enemy ships shooting at me from the other side of the system... and one of my ship stuck in forever warping, couldn't return not even after game restart

[gritty cobalt]

(Pauly opinion) but removing ranking entirely could create a situation where some OPs brackets experience longer queue times

[wary roost]

They’re a business trying to make money, of course they’ll rig it toward p2w

[edgy orchid]

cause the ops 70 would not have opponents in fair matchmaking.. then they face equalk opposition.. and thats Not what they paid for

[outer mountain]

For what it's worth, you had matchmaking mostly fixed and in a decent state before arenas went down. The #1 pain point was ship tracking followed closely by getting stuck in matchmaking/needing to restart the game to get into matches

[edgy orchid]

matchmaking was never good

[rich rain]

longer queue times will have to become acceptable. if the perception that there are no fair matchup persists, ppl will simply stop queueing. What that will do to the queue time is easy to guess

[wary roost]

Personally don’t care about queue times as I can do other things while waiting. I’d bet the majority of players would take longer queuing instead of going into an impossible matchup and losing rank so that you can’t use the store anyway

[outer mountain]

(not saying it was perfect, but it had improved enough from week 1 that it was no longer the biggest pain point, and ship tracking got worse with the initial "fix")

[edgy orchid]

they will just fdace ops 50 ppl vs 70 like in the rest of the game lol

[fallen gust]

Looking forward to US/EU having the same issues as APAC when I wake up and Scopely not doing anything about it other than acting surprised 🤣

[edgy orchid]

the fundamentals of fair PVP do not exist in this game

[gritty cobalt]

Thanks for the feedback! We’re working to fix/improve both these pain points 🙏

[edgy orchid]

why they make an arena is aquestion @gritty cobalt needs to andser

in a unfair pvp environment

offcourse its pure greed

[wary roost]

No way, it was easily rigged to create an easy win

[outer mountain]

Thanks, would be amazing to go back to the gameplay performance we had week 1/2 before the ship tracking "fix", with the improved matchmaking from right before they were taken offline 🙂

[pearl frigate]

would be amazing to just give the gift chest each week so we can get the ship and then ignore this pile of 💩

[edgy orchid]

simpauly ships still get stuck in arena.. what have u guys even been doing when it was down ?

[low otter]

please post screenshots of matchups

[silent dock]

same here, 2 of my ships got stuck in battle as well

[fair creek]

good old matchmaking manipulation... you gotta love and hate it at the same time

[edgy orchid]

1 high ops and 2 low ops works everytime

it seems

[wary roost]

That doesn’t help though as a lot of stuff in the faction store is locked due to ranking. If you can’t improve rank you can’t take advantage of the store. If they go back to closing it and comping the rank issue needs addressing

[dawn pelican]

Just change the mechanic on match making so its based on ship power. That way players may choose to do Arena's with Realtas, or their highest ships. Would certainly make it fun and actually bring in the ONE mechanic in the game that requires some thought, crewing.

[edgy orchid]

https://i.imgur.com/tENWr54.png 0_0

[weak heron]

Honestly, it’s time to bin this off and start again. The comp was insultingly bad for weeks, causing many to have stagnated progress. All of this time, all of this delay it was tolerated because it would come back improved - but it hasn’t. All of the issues are still there, the ships that aren’t where they say they are, the issues getting into the arena to start with (our opponents had six ships in before I could undock any of mine), and the problems with matchmaking because people want to/feel they need to “cheese” the system rather than engage positively; just… just scrap it.

And those are my very carefully selected nice words.

And those issues are from matches I won.

[edgy orchid]

well if players ships were not indestructible at certain levels it might work.. but the design of hitting down only doesnt allow for a fair arena system

yaay stuck on match starting

great work @gritty cobalt

[sage brook]

Not necessarily. Thing is, our rank is meaningless when we are forced to only play with our alliance members. Until there is solo queue, the rank should not be taken into account imho, as it is not really individual rank but also says a lot about your alliance mates.
I would base the matchmaking on:

• Try matching groups with same lvl of highest player (so a group of 53-60-67 would get matched against group of 66 67 67 player)
• If there is not a group with same highest player, try "same ship bracket" (in example above, the player of lvl 67 can have a 66 faction ship, but not 70 faction ship, so any group with highest lvl of player between 66 and 69 is "fair")
• If the same ship bracket is not matched, then I would go with the average group level again. Because if the game preferred matching based on highest player lvl, there would be more incentive to not game average level of group, but instead take 3 similar lvl players.

and as soon as there is solo queue, you can go all out on rank + lvl.
I understand the intent behind rank, but rank based games allow either solo only queue, or grouping with any player in the game to create a preset group that queues in and based on their ELO/rank gets matched against other groups. Since we do not have this option yet, I would still keep rank count for players wins / loses, but I would not use it for matchmaking.

[fallen gust]

There is 11 more months in this year of hell though

[low otter]

post the full match up please

[edgy orchid]

nah im done with this farce. afk it is

[agile forum]

came here looking for this, it did not disappoint 😄

[low otter]

higher quality (more even ops) matchups is better than getting pitted against a team 9 average ops higher quickly

[fair creek]

as usual, when the waiting time exceeds 1 min the matchup will be bad

[weak heron]

People that cheese matchmaking should be yeeted from arenas permanently. Change my mind.

[edgy orchid]

instant matchups are bad as well

lol

[ancient hound]

nothing fixed, same lag, same ghosting, same bad matchmaking... did expect nothing less 👍

[fallen gust]

You can't be mad at people cheesing it. You play the game as it's designed and they designed it this way

[agile forum]

game is designed this way on purpose. change my mind.

[weak heron]

However, with Scopely tying availability of important things behind it, Scopely created this problem.

[novel relic]

Points not counting, and booted out with no win result. Still broken

[edgy orchid]

this game is designed to rake in money.

thats all

[inland cloud]

two ships stuck at once - one typical 00:00 the other within fighting animation.

[weak heron]

No, they designed it with a gaping great big hole in the way of making it enjoyable.

[low otter]

post matchup screenshots please

[fallen gust]

Ironically the store is designed for the non-spenders because the spenders can buy the packs to bypass anything you can get from arenas...

[alpine orbit]

<@&509690795536941056> literally nothing has changed

arena is still exactly the same, same bugs, just as unstable and laggy

[fair creek]

circle of doom is spinning again xD

better

[weak heron]

The closer matchups were infinitely better games, but they were still beset with terrible issues around ship location.

[brisk meteor]

this match up is not to bad 👍

[alpine orbit]

matchups were fine before, you just had to know how to play the system

[fickle niche]

you guys need to appoint a community manager for APAC times or not keep the arenas during regular APAC times

[alpine orbit]

the matchmaking was fixed week 2

[fallen gust]

@gritty cobalt why do you run the APAC arenas ahead of the US/EU ones when it's your Sunday/early morning. You get quite a large window to determine if there are going to be performance problems by running APAC first and you've ignored APAC performance since the release and continue to let a larger portion of players have a 💩 experience when you could have short circuited all the hate by just listening to APAC ahead of time

[weak heron]

Playing the system is why matchups will never work on this game

[fickle niche]

8 hours not a single peep from any official during APAC arenas and now you reply to most queries

[alpine orbit]

just do it to your advantage 😂 I'm 66 ops, so I got a 59 ops to start, that means you can have 52/59/66

[brisk meteor]

smaller ops gap would help. not having a ops 50 player being able to invite a lvl 44 and a level 56 player would help greatly! Of course people will try to 'game' the system with those huge level margens

[gritty cobalt]

I usually cover both APAC and EU, but I understand the timing issues. I’ll make it up for you on the next run!

[weak heron]

Which just perpetuates the issue, but also, there are servers that cannot.

[edgy orchid]

disable FT and chaos tech for arenas ;x

[weak heron]

I agree. The players have proven untrustworthy and the bands should be +/-2 levels.

[low otter]

Hammy owes you a few tall drinks when he gets back

[sage shuttle]

Don't complain about peeps cheesing the matchmaking, at least we can all do that, it's all the other issues in Arenas that are killing it. On a more positive note, Scopely are aware of the problems and are working on it...Like they did for the last month!!
Think Arena needs pulling, fix it properly or abandon it

[alpine orbit]

so the issue with matchmaking actually isn't the matchmaking itself, just the fact that unascended servers are being matched with ascended ones.... that DEFINITELY shouldn't be possible, and is a ridiculous oversight on Scopely's part

[weak heron]

We can’t all do that.

[fickle niche]

simply put, they dont care. not enough loud mouth content creators in APAC who can force scopely to take drastic actions

[brisk meteor]

but that will only be able if you can form squads outside the own alliance "limitation" otherwise many alliance will have to small numbers to be competitative on there own levels

[gritty cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-bacon-ranch-quesadillas-quesadilla-food-gif-2921712236894039989

[silent dock]

does the ongoing background work affect the current performance during arenas?

[weak heron]

No, the matchmaking absolutely is the issue. +/-2 levels, job done, and the ones that can’t form squads can thank the cheesers for their self serving efforts.

[weak heron]

Wait, you had performance?

[fallen gust]

My alliance doesn't have enough low level players to anchor people down so 90% of our alliance doesn't even do arena and the ones that do get railed by bad match making by people who are cheesing it

[silent dock]

wait, weren't you red earlier? 😮

[weak heron]

It’s amazing to watch “humanity” justify unethical behaviour because it suits their advantage.

[gritty cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-gif-12620523546008355129

[brisk meteor]

so squads dont need to be limited to a alliance but to a server 🤞 they said they are working on it, just a matter of more time i supose 😉

[weak heron]

A good 18 months ago 😆

[weak heron]

Pull it until then then.

[alpine orbit]

that absolutely is not job done lol, also you clearly don't understand how the matchmaking works. You are matchmade based on the average ops level of your team, changing the team system to +/-2 your level would defeat the object of the matchmaking system and make it very difficult for people inside an alliance to form teams. The matchmaking portion is a much narrower range of ops levels, I believe it actually is +/-2 the average ops of the team

[weak heron]

Cos this isn’t it.

[alpine orbit]

the matchmaking system isn't broken, you just don't like it

[silent dock]

dang. still remember you helping me out tho 🙂

[weak heron]

I always did and do my best 🙂

[fallen gust]

That's just kicking a can down the road though. If you don't fix the systemic issues you just find your anchors outside the alliance and then more people are cheesing

[gritty cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-emperor's-new-groove-whoa-whoa-now-hold-on-gif-9462234456499179835

[edgy orchid]

if u face two ship tiers higher it is broken

[peak garden]

Game is crashing. What are you doing?

[weak heron]

100% this.

[sinful echo]

G6 v G4? Good job Scopley

[weak heron]

Clamp those bands down hard and open it across the server.

[brisk meteor]

but isn't kicking a can down the road one off scopely strenghts/main core abilities? 😛

[weak heron]

Until that’s in place, pull arenas and put proper comps in.

[gritty cobalt]

What kind of crashing? Does the game automatically close?

[weak heron]

Charging you to kick the can down the road for them*

[peak garden]

Ships stuck „in battle“

Armadas still there with counter 0

Need restarts - sometimes help sometimes not

[alpine orbit]

score not updating

[alpine orbit]

long story short, despite all the supposed fixes and changes, this feels very much like the exact same arena we had 4 weeks ago before you pulled it. Same bugs, same stability issues

[fallen gust]

There are no bugs. Just things you don't like

[wary roost]

I’d argue worse actually

[peak garden]

That is obviously not true

[fallen gust]

Just like how he said there is no problem with match making we just don't like it 🤣

[slate pawn]

can't send ships to arena system - _error_0

[peak garden]

I don’t describe Match making. Read the post before you write something doesn’t match with

[slate pawn]

restarted 3 times, same problem

[alpine orbit]

yeah, matchmaking being broken is subjective, bugs are objective. Don't make a comment if you have nothing of value to add

[fair creek]

aaand countdown at 0 forcing restart 😒

[fallen gust]

I didn't even respond to you guy until you tagged me

[fickle niche]

the list is long

• Scores not updating
• Solo Armada directives not crediting immediately after adequate hostile kills
• Ghost Armada circles everywhere
• Arena ending without final score screen of win/loss
• Ships stuck in battle forever after defeat until game is restarted

[edgy orchid]

arenas 0 timer.. on madas .. madas takes ages to respawn

and getting the same team 3x in a row is annoying as hell

[ancient hound]

🤷‍♂️

[fallen gust]

I'm winning even with those bugs so objective?

[wary roost]

What’s actually needed here is a dev group to interact properly with people rather than a CM just posting GIFS in response to legit issues. Like a trusted user group of people who give good feedback in a closed channel and a team who are receptive and can actually address concerns

[fickle niche]

scopely doesnt do beta testing

[edgy orchid]

they dont care bout feedback. their actions re driven by sales

the whales are farming pts with their minions so they dont complain

[alpine orbit]

so am I, but that is besides the point. Again, if you have nothing of value to add, just keep it to yourself mate

[clear talon]

Arena seems worse than before; matchmaking is not enhanced at all, actually even worse. Crashes every 30-40s, 2-3 times cant click enter match, restarts needed many times, huge lag, and countless ship attack related bugs!!

[wary roost]

Not even beta testing. A live group who could feedback directly now. Devs can see issues in real time and actually find a root cause

[fallen gust]

Hello kettle

[fickle niche]

the devs are here in this channel and have been tagged numerous times 🤷🏻‍♂️

[clear talon]

Give us back the weekly credits while you setup a beta arena than we can join for testing and reporting bugs!!

[edgy orchid]

root cause is shoddy work, no testing and incompetence in general. y see it widely in the game.. every release there is a ton of bugs and some bugs dont even get fixed

[alpine orbit]

yeah and this time give us 8400 a week so we can do triple pulls

[peak garden]

I am winning before and after update. Platin I. So what is your point in answering? Nothing

[wary roost]

Without being able to increase ranking even that isn’t helpful for some

[edgy orchid]

dont see how we are supposed to get to gold anytime soon

[alpine orbit]

true but this is scopely, I'd be shocked if they gave us free ranking points too... even 8.4k a week is wishful thinking 😂

[amber rampart]

when arena start, i have 3 times connection lost and restart😩
delay on armada point count.
we arena players are all beta testers.

[peak garden]

That is your point? So maybe leave that Channel Mister

[weak heron]

But with three weeks less credits than we should have had.

[void fjord]

strange ? not ?

[clear talon]

DISASTER!!!!

[edgy orchid]

the g6 favcours are buried behind a ranking wall. so complete useless unless ur a whale dumbo

[clear talon]

Add visual bugs

Cant switch ships

[fickle niche]

and the whales dont even need the favors cuz they have outright bought all the stuff at full price 😂

[wary roost]

Yeah they aren’t going to interact on here as there are too many that just get annoyed and throw shade (admittedly I’ve been guilty of this). They aren’t going to come on here and interact with the masses. Hence suggesting a small focus group of people who are known to provide good solid feedback

[novel haven]

<@&509690795536941056> @muted badger @gritty cobalt
It’s really frustrating that after you took them off for a while to improve them it’s worse than before.
My opinion, stop wasting time and resources on something you won’t be able do bring live in a good quality. Do the Monday arena chests and save us and your devs a lot of pain and frustration.
LLAP

[clear talon]

STOP IMMEDIATELY THE ARENA!!

[storm vine]

good one 🙈

[wary roost]

Just want the G6 BP favour tbh

[ivory canyon]

Sometimes you just have to realize ... it was a good try ... but it doesn't help ... and cancel the event.

[modern verge]

matchmaking....

[gritty cobalt]

who won?

[storm vine]

we 🙂

[fickle niche]

i believe there was Q&A with Devs twice in a separate channel. 90% of the stuff promised in those Q&A has not been fulfilled at all.

[modern verge]

crashes and massive laggs.... no more words

[full vine]

and lock the PVE upgrades behind faction rep not arena rank*

[edgy orchid]

they dont actually do that to get any feedback. just to soothe the playerbase a bit

[fickle niche]

exactly

[edgy orchid]

even the community managers are as disconnected from this game as the devs

[magic pawn]

did you say you improved the matching???????????????????????????????

[fair creek]

as usual, performance seems better, but on the other hand, we are still 3 hours away from europe prime time. ship positioning seems a little laggy but more stable then the last few times. matchmaking is 100% the same as it was before.

will have to test it later to see if it goes totally bonkers again

[edgy orchid]

theres not a single feauture that ppl enjoy.. they have to do it to not fall behind even more then they already are