Genshin theory? (nerdy)

[somber ibex]

I wonder whether her master gave her the clothing she wears

[ripe sparrow]

yeahh that was my question as well it’d be really interesting if that was the case

[somber ibex]

If that were the case I think it would probably be Rhine

[ripe sparrow]

but isn’t she a student of barbeloth?

[somber ibex]

Yeah

I was thinking that maybe Rhinedottir gave the accessories Mona wears to Barbeloth

[ripe sparrow]

ohhh

ok that makes more sense sorry lol

[somber ibex]

Nah Dw my bad for not clarifying it ^^

[loud quest]

Wait actually i love this
(tbh i love all theories that are about paimon)

[urban zealot]

LOL

no but genuinely because like you mentioned yourself in YOUR theory, she never specifies what she is or rlly ig who she is

she says she's paimon

but it's super suspicious

[somber ibex]

I think Fontaine ppl were going to be punished for egeria’s sin

Because the prophecy states that everyone in Fontaine would drown and only the hydro archon would remain weeping on her throne

[loud quest]

||i thought that meant all of them will transform to oceanides again?||

[somber ibex]

Maybe

[loud quest]

yeah there's no introduction from her other than she's "paimon" and nobody we met even knows "what" she is
i was suspicious about her since the beginning but i was like maybe it's just game mascot thing

[urban zealot]

right

but it honestly, all sorta connects like a spider web

like yeah there are a ton of vids on yt abt "paimon boss fight 😭"

like this one
https://youtu.be/wXwv8DPRzlA?si=1sdnlYA-jufzggMl

[loud quest]

Yeah the fandom seems to like the "paimon is actually evil" thing😂💀

[urban zealot]

yea 😭

and they also make this shit

https://youtu.be/TldM0xe_6Xc?si=pCv8DnLPwi9A2C0b

[loud quest]

This is actually cool wtf😭

[urban zealot]

or this theory LOL
https://youtu.be/4DUzRtEeI9A?si=DA3KI-xAuU5uXZ4B

[urban zealot]

right

or like this
https://youtu.be/4WJJr5vHUxQ?si=U5VZw8D0oVi_tc_M

[loud quest]

This so well put together, the dialog of this event are so supportive of my theory🫣🫣

[urban zealot]

yep

and this could be actual foreshadowing but

https://youtu.be/0vLLeV_Nloc?si=YAvPvRe40edzwHbC

what if she already betrayed us

yk?

[loud quest]

Ooooh

[urban zealot]

we just don't know that

[loud quest]

I love that

[urban zealot]

like Paimon said "Hey, Hey!!" a lil aggressively 💀

[loud quest]

We still trust her but she already stabbed us

😔😂

[urban zealot]

right 😹

https://youtu.be/Zs_2EX0wdVo?si=rf3eYCMaSQwPZuqA

this is also a theory yk

and this also supports your demon name thing

[loud quest]

I'll watch later

[urban zealot]

okkkay

[loud quest]

I saw this theory on tiktok before and i love it

like how cool would it be

[urban zealot]

wait that's supa cool

[ancient pumice]

What if the whole adventure was guiding her to her court ...
Supreme Seele

[urban zealot]

woah

wait this makes a lotta sense

https://youtu.be/MLGs2DfuF28?si=RDIZemKcaTkJT7vg

[ancient pumice]

dang
That's hot

[loud quest]

i just watched and it's so cool
also about the three moons it reminded me, at scaramouche first appearance he stated "the stars the sky It's all a gigantic hoax a lie"

[ripe sparrow]

the enka quest was so wild and yeah paimon was definitely really suspicious during it

[urban zealot]

yep

[urban zealot]

RIGHT??

SCARA LITERALLY TOLD US 😭

[ripe sparrow]

genshin 8.0 archon quest spoilers:
[traveler wakes up with a gasp]
[traveler looks around, gets out of bed, walks to a kitchen, sees sibling making food]
sibling: “good morning, sleep well?”
[traveler looks around, confused]
traveler: “not really, i had a really weird dream. it felt like it went on forever. you were gone, and i had a little flying guide named paimon, and i think i was in a world called teyvat.”

[urban zealot]

NO WAY??

[ripe sparrow]

please tell me you knew this was sarcasm

it’d be really funny if hoyo did that because it’d be the laziest and shittiest writing ever

and the lore community would explode

[loud quest]

With this ending even not lore players will get mad💀

[urban zealot]

LMAO I DID DWDW

I WAS JOKING TOO LOLOL

[ripe sparrow]

OK GOOD LMAO

[ripe sparrow]

honestly

[urban zealot]

new character alert ?1?1??2 /j

fnaf x genshin impact collab when!!?!?

[ripe sparrow]

whoa hoyo when???

[urban zealot]

real!

[mint oracle]

LMAOO

[urban zealot]

bet arlecchino and freddy r cousins onb

[mint oracle]

real

[ripe sparrow]

this is needed in game

aloy was just the beginning

[urban zealot]

right!!

[ripe sparrow]

holy
shit

ok favorite three theories i've found about this:

• tavyet is the planet, teyvat is continent on tavyet (that's confusing to read)
• teyvat is already gone in hsr's timeline
• the "captivating legend" is actually a novel by yae so that she can preserve ei and makoto's legacies

the second theory is sosososo interesting, like we have no idea how far in the future hsr is compared to genshin and teyvat might've already been destroyed by celestia or whatever else

if we look at this more literally, this also MIGHT imply that archaeologists from honkai actually have a way to find info from teyvat OR info from teyvat can somehow make its way to wherever hsr is

wait ok i just reread it and it literally says that the IPC found a planet called tavyet and found ei/makoto's story there, so if we ignore the possibility that this is just hoyo trying to make the lore players go insane, this basically confirms that people from hsr CAN get to the planet of tavyet AND that teyvat is on it

please someone this is making my brain go whirrrr

yayaya arle story quest announced

tbh with her whole character i’d be more impressed if they managed to make her story quest NOT include lore

[ripe sparrow]

does anyone know how many of teyvat’s languages the traveler speaks, and if they speak khaenrian?

i know paimon is teaching/taught traveler the teyvat common language, but idk if they know any others

[ancient pumice]

The hsr/inazuma is big brain
Is it official ? Where can we find it in game ?

[elder nebula]

did some digging and its a hsr live web event from not too long ago

[ancient pumice]

Omg I never saw it

[loud quest]

wait the traveler know khaenri'ah language? I thought dain translate to us (or am i missing something)

[ripe sparrow]

no that’s what i’m asking, if they know it or not

[loud quest]

Oh then i misunderstood ur question

[ripe sparrow]

lol that’s ok

[ripe sparrow]

does anyone know though

asking because i found this in enka

[ancient pumice]

https://www.hoyolab.com/article/9300960
Found that
But I dont get it, cause all nations speak the same language ... ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceridwen
I found that by typing "Crucabena", but I believe the english and french pages have different content
I could translate a bit the french page later ...

[loud quest]

no they don't, it may seem like it cus of the dub but i think it's possible they have a global language everyone knows

even in the dub we can hear some words the are exclusive to the language that are present on the inspiration of the region

like that time shinobu called yanfei her "senpai"

[ripe sparrow]

i don’t think they do, i found a wiki article with all known scripts for each nation

i just want to know if the book that the traveler can’t read is in khaenrian or an even older script

thank you for the article though i’ll read it when i can

[loud quest]

it's canon that there's multiple languages, if it's (at least) 20 based on alhaitham then it's surely way more

[loud quest]

also it possible be that traveler find reading harder than speaking it

I also think they have many dead languages

[ripe sparrow]

true true

[ripe sparrow]

uh thing i found in an old trailer

in latin onoea means once upon a time

oh also things in cecilia garden, idk what they mean and they don't translate from latin so maybe they're abbreviations of something? idk

OH AND THERE'S A TRAILER WHERE THEY SPOIL THE NAME OF THE SNEZHNAYA, KHAENRIAH, AND ENDING ARCHON QUESTS AND MAIN CHARS IN THEM????

and natlan too

[urban zealot]

“A spark cannot shatter all shadows. Until it sets all ablaze. Or else to the other end of light: lies still bleak shades.”

i think in arlecchinos demo, maybe it's about burning the innocence away? idk rlly, that's just a theory. the hands @ the beginning i think are hands of the children reaching out for help

[ripe sparrow]

natlan = "incandescent ode of resurrection", character named: iansan
snezhnaya = "everwinter without mercy", character named: pulcinella + followers
khaenriah = "the dream yet to be dreamed", character named: dainsleif
end chapter = "the sea of flowers at the end", character named: traveler

[urban zealot]

no way 😟

[ripe sparrow]

yeah

there's a lot in that video hold on

so there's these two, the first image contrasts that one picture of the siblings standing in the field of inteyvats with aether (basically-canon mc) standing alone in a field of what looks like cecilias
second image looks like another field of cecilias, pretty sure aether was there too

there was also a picture of pulcinella on a throne but i don't have a ss of that!!

it was narrated by dain as well

[urban zealot]

ohhh

[urban zealot]

adding onto this btw, during the child chorus, the darkness fading into it is again, fading innocence. saturated children symbolizing that this is not her path. the smoke representing the children dying, destroyed, and innocence stolen from them

[ripe sparrow]

oh and a line from dainsleif saying "my memory has all but faded completely... but i will always remember how much she loved these flowers" likely referencing that one child from the one video with the vase of inteyvats (please know what i'm talking about)

[urban zealot]

i know what ur saying

[ripe sparrow]

ok thank you

[urban zealot]

LOL

[urban zealot]

and in a lot of shots, you can't see her face but u can see her silhouette or just her body. maybe representing that she IS indeed a person of heart, just a person without one; born without one

(aka, she has no emotion)

and the scene where she's grabbing something, like with the big hand, it represents her curse, grabbing her like the victim

[elder nebula]

i mean its canon that watatsumi/enka uses different scripts because after orobashi came along there was the enkanomiya script written alongside the watatsumi script

[ancient pumice]

Brute force decipher ?

[elder nebula]

that video was how i managed to figure out the plots of sumeru and fontaine aqs from the summaries before it actually dropped 😭

well mainly fontaine

sumeru was so vague

[elder nebula]

note: the 'enkanomiya script' is most likely is or derived from the language of the original nation under phanes, which if im not wrong is based off greece/greek culture

[ripe sparrow]

ok this makes a lot more sense thank youuuu

[ripe sparrow]

i’m confused wdym by that

[ancient pumice]

hskc doesnt mean anything ...?

[ripe sparrow]

uhhh

[elder nebula]

im guessing they mean a method, like going through different code techniques etc.

i have no idea either 😭

[ripe sparrow]

yeah i’ve definitely heard of brute force decipher i’m like 30% sure it’s a method with a caesar shift where you just try every combo until something works (basically trying A—>B, A—>C, A—>D, and so on)

[elder nebula]

huh interesting

could work then

[ripe sparrow]

maybe

hold on lemme see that was actually correct

ok basically correct

[ancient pumice]

ye
but it's not really giving anything ...

[ripe sparrow]

yeah i tried it and i didn’t really get an answer

[ripe sparrow]

can't wait for the day when venti quest pt 2 comes out and we all explode

[somber ibex]

We’re gonna be like “ITS ABOUT TIME”

[loud quest]

It can be literally (if we get to see istaroth)

[ripe sparrow]

BYEE

[ripe sparrow]

was scrolling through my photos and realized that i had definitely seen the name irmin before, turns out it was in the divine halberd book

the first note was by the door of khaenriah btw!

sooo connected to irminsul?? no idea tbh

oh also an interesting thing i noticed was in a book talking about the destruction of khaenriah + durin they called Gold by "their" which is weird since i always assumed rhinedottir was gold, but rhinedottir is female

[loud quest]

I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING
ALL the traveler constellation has a "memory of...." on its name

so my theory is that the traveler isn't just "traveling" through teyvat, they gain ("someone") memory back with it
For explanation, it's canon that the traveler is able to "live" through the abyss twin memories even through the quest there's so many of them that are about the "remains of the past"
maybe there's another who they collect their memories (or maybe it's their own)

ALSO!!!!

[ripe sparrow]

ohh wait you’re so right about this

again with the references to how we’re mirroring our twin’s journey

and yeah the fact that us living through our twin’s memories has happened MULTIPLE times now

[gilded folio]

PAMOIN BEING THE UNKNOWN GOD OR THE THREE MOON SISTERS

[ripe sparrow]

about paimon, ria once had a theory that i love that was basically “paimon is the reincarnation of the unknown god in the new samsara” and i love that one

[mint oracle]

ria mention

[ancient pumice]

Anyone cooked smt about Acheron real identity ||raiden bosenmori mei|| ?

[ripe sparrow]

indeed

[elder nebula]

me mention

yellow

[ripe sparrow]

hello

[gilded folio]

I saw it in a video

[gilded folio]

I thought this Genshin related

[ripe sparrow]

i'm like 3 interactions into the 4.7 quest and i'm already wondering if ||the person who "only exists in people's memories" is our twin||

ok nevermind ||they refer to the person as a guy in both lumine and aether's pov||

||it's not dainsleif right||
||there's no way it's dainsleif right||

||yeah it's not dainsleif there's no way||

[ripe sparrow]

WHAT THE FUCK HAHSFJSAF

||confirmed gold is rhinedottir holy shit||

[ancient pumice]

Didn't we alrdy know that ?

[ripe sparrow]

i’m pretty sure there was some question regarding whether they were the same person, along with rhinedottir being confirmed female while i believe gold was referred to as a they/them

[ripe sparrow]

(4.7 archon quest spoilers)
||i am going to SOB because why was this story so sad||

message translation: ||"Farewell, Atossa. I apologize for making you know me unwilling. Still, I don't wish you to forget me."||

||so much good lore dropped in this quest though, lots of new info so||

[urban zealot]

literally cried too

[ripe sparrow]

actually what was that

[urban zealot]

no cuz real

[loud quest]

IT WAS THERE ALL ALONG???? (i was searching about Egeria -the previous hydro archon- and found this unexpectedly)

[ripe sparrow]

WHOA??

where was that

[somber ibex]

Bathysmal Vishaps

[loud quest]

On the game archive

[ripe sparrow]

ohh thank you

[loud quest]

GUYS I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING
In the caribert quest chlothar went to "pray" for god of wisdom which i didn't think much of it when i did the quest BUT
in sumeru archon quest rukkhadevata said that she wasn't present in Khaenri'ah in the time of the cataclysm but still clothar believe that all the archons were there also makoto headed to Khaenri'ah alone without informing Ei
So my point is, with all that how can we be sure about who really was there/what really happened i think it's possible that what happened is very different than what they showed us and when we end up in khaenri'ah as the traveler there will be a plot twist and we'll see the archons in their original forms as demons😈 (y'all should know how much i love this theory by now)

[ripe sparrow]

I LOVE THATT

i mean we know rhinedottir played a large part in it too yet no one mentions them, so we really don't get all the info about what happened

[loud quest]

I just finished "bedtime story" (dain quest) so I can start natlan
never thought how much depressing it can be until knowing that this is canon💔

after i can think logically again id probably will get a new theory now im just deep in my saddeness

[ripe sparrow]

that quest was so sob worthy the whole time

[ripe sparrow]

nobody has talked in here since august but i had an idea and i don’t know where else to say it

i still think the eighth element is “omni”/an element that can either swap between every other element OR an element that has a “light” and “dark” side with light being what we use and dark being what dain and possibly our twin uses

but what if the eighth element was abyssal energy?? we know that the traveler has the ability to purify abyssal energy. however, dain does not have this ability. this would mean dain fights using unpurified abyssal energy, while the traveler, being able to purify that energy, fights with purified abyssal energy. hence the travelers having gold/white powers while dain has blue/black

plus we know that when the siblings fought the sustainer they were trying to leave, meaning they had likely encountered the abyss already

this is kind of a long stretch, but i think it’d be super cool

[ancient pumice]

ok but
Anyone has thoughts on the fact that, ||when we meet in caribert's dream, traveler says "you're the only one who call me like that" -> Aether/Lumine
All the others use the username, or traveler/companion/etc.||
I'm too dumb to think of smt but it hit me hard

[ancient pumice]

makes kinda sense, if we consider abyssal energy to be an element
Also

Again, nothing to do
But I remember people speculating that ||Xbalanque could be the dragon, but we learn in Kinich's story that it's the first archon||
Idk how it will play, but the whole thing with ancient name and resurection could lead us to meet them (maybe in the wayob realm???

[loud quest]

Wasn't dain confirmed to be playable in the future? I think he will have the abyss element

also i found translation for dain card (as far as i know hoyo only officially put it in Chinese)

[ripe sparrow]

i believe so yes

[loud quest]

(The pic has spoilers for 5.1 aq)
I just got spoilers from tiktok and i don't think I'm ready

It makes sense that we're in the last region before meeting the tsaritsa they're going heavy on lore STILL IM NOT READY

[ripe sparrow]

ok saw a theory that venti is storing his power for later so hear me out on this (manga spoilers)

1. there are MANY theories that celestia is going to fall on mondstadt
2. venti has a god form that he used ||to save vanessa when she was fighting the dragon thing||
   what if his power is stored in his god form, and when celestia falls on mondstadt he unleashes it to stop it from hitting the ground?? we know venti is massively powerful, especially considering how much faith his people have in him. it’s totally possible he has the strength to stop celestia from falling and maybe even help destroy it himself

i don’t know, all i know is hyv is saving his second story quest for something ajd it better be HUGE

i refuse to believe he’s actually weak, even if in his current form he technically is

i’m so excited to see where mondstadt goes, there’s so much unexplained stuff with venti, celestia, istaroth and the time island, the time loop, everything

oh ALSO is it possible venti is the only archon that knows about the time loop? or do all the archons know about it?

[ripe sparrow]

doesn’t the video say we might ||still be in the cube the sustainer trapped us in||?

[ripe sparrow]

”death in a sense is freedom” WRONG!! venti will NOT be dying, not on my watch /hj

[loud quest]

This video in particular didn't say anything but that's a good look at it since idk what really happened lol

[loud quest]

I saw a theory that venti maybe be the god of death alongside being the god of freedom

[ripe sparrow]

that would be so cool actually

[ripe sparrow]

ok so there’s the theory that our journey will end where it started, so what if mondstadt is the last quest?? not the last chapter, but the epilogue? mondstadt started as the prologue, and will end as the epilogue?

i feel like mond’s story is too important for that to happen but oh my god would that be cool

[ancient pumice]

Hello hi I come back with spoilers regarding that

So the power surely is ||light, as it holds all 7 colors/elements aka smt "omni"||

Has anyone searched about the name of the lord night ?

[ripe sparrow]

that definitely makes sense, especially considering tcg omni dice

[ripe sparrow]

the only issue is we still don’t know what elemental power/energy dain is using

[ancient pumice]

Mavuika ||breaking the sky and letting us see what's beyond. Dang. Reminds me of nous on gold and gears picture, and also kinda red acheron.||
I saw smo post about similarities w hsr's loading screen

[ripe sparrow]

i’ve seen theories that the hsr loading screen is tavyet/teyvat’s planet

[ancient pumice]

Also am i stupid
Can smo explain to me
||at the beginning, there're 3 heroes : Chasca, Xilonen and Iansan. Then Mualani becomes one when saving Kachina. And Ororon too when he survives. So we were missing one. During the map-quest, we only know Kinich is rassembling a group of warriors at the stadium. And then, suddenly, he's along the heroes.|| Have I missed smt ???

[heavy stone]

i agree on that take. and i want to add an extra fact about the demon “Paimon”. in the Ars Goetia, “Paimon” is very loyal to Lucifer, the morning star and theres a theory that traveler is the morning star and if Paimon is named Paimon from Ars Goetia, she might be very loyal to traveler. so if that is true then her betraying us will be less likely which for me, is a w!! (im coping)

[heavy stone]

isnt he also a warrior? in the archon quest we see a silhouette of a previous warrior beside every present warrior and Kinich has one beside him

[ancient pumice]

ye, but i dont remember him being presented as ||one of the six heroes||

[elder nebula]

||chasca was only made a hero at the end when her sister died, so i think you may have mixed up chasca and kinich||

[ancient pumice]

o dang, you're right
I was sure it was Chasca

[safe quail]

i read it. and i got a delusional idea lmaoooo

paimon is related to the heavenly principles in some way amd for some reason what if Paimon becomes the heavenly principles after we "defeat" them? she clearly descends or has clues related to celestia on her outfit.

what if the gnosi are meant for her?
they aren't too much use for the archons itself and the tsaritsa needs it to fight the heavenly principles, but how-? Will she be waiting for us to get to Khaenri'ah after securing all the gnosi, if we're such a danger, why wouldn't we be killed immediately? There are already powerful fatui members that could definitely kill us with a bit of organising. Like literally, right now the only reason we are ever alive is because of plot armour pretty much.

they aren't as useful to the archons but together could they be useful to someone else? What would happen if someone FROM celestia interacted/used them?

TL/DR: Paimon might use all the gnosi combined with our help to defeat the heavenly principles and then replace her.

[loud quest]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSjxFnaqQ/

Guys a new lore bomb🗣 (the new xbox glider lore)

[odd void]

I have not chatted here very recently

[ripe sparrow]

me neither lol

[echo yacht]

i think u all will have plenty of fun after the mondstate archon quest

[ripe sparrow]

YES WE WILL

i’m so excited for it oh my god

[echo yacht]

im very excited to see ym pookie so i understand

[ripe sparrow]

who is your pookie

[loud quest]

the fact we got dead chat here during natlan really tells something lol

[ripe sparrow]

HELP there was nothing to talk about

[ancient pumice]

rip TvT

[echo yacht]

kaeya