Genshin theory? (nerdy)

[mint oracle]

natlan fr

meanwhile, both honkais:

[elder nebula]

im not surprised if they yeet off murata

[mint oracle]

yh

of archon death flags she had the 2nd most

[elder nebula]

honkai gauken: genocide ending

[somber ibex]

I just want another harbinger dead

Dottore mainly

[elder nebula]

same

i need blood after collei

[somber ibex]

Signoras execution has a special place in my heart

Bc it was that moment that I started loving Raiden

[mint oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/signora-kicking-venti-gif-22067176

this is why i cared

[odd void]

Actually that reminds me

I made a super random dumb theory

What if celestial itself…. Has a consciousness?

[odd void]

Agreed

The red means I hate hiiiiiiim

[odd void]

Anyway back to this. Celestia might have a consciousness and be manipulating the sustainer

Or maybe even controlling her

Hence why she looks like job when we see her

Celestia is the equivalent of hovs consciousness in Genshin while the sustainer, the REAL sustainer, is trapped unable to break out and she is the Kiana of Genshin

When the real sustainer is in control she might have blue eyes as well

[ripe sparrow]

i like this a lot

[nocturne agate]

Same

That’s why I wanted her to die and forever be lost in the pits of the abyss traumatized and never found again

[mint oracle]

indeed

[nocturne agate]

YES WE NEED THIS

She does kinda of have a resemblance to kiana

Oh and who gave us the tweet that had the initials k.k it could be kiana cuz her initials are K.K

Kiana Kaslana

So could be

[odd void]

Her outfit has resemblance to Kiana too

[odd void]

Something else is…

[odd void]

Forgot to send this one

I really overanalyzed the outfit similarities didn’t I…

Hof has some too but I think I’ve made enough comparisons lol

[ripe sparrow]

still questioning this picture now that we know teyvat is in a samsara, which in the sumeru quest was literally a dream

feul for teyvat is upside down theory??

its probably not but i still love the theory

[nocturne agate]

COOK

[loud quest]

Coincidence? I DON'T THINK SO

[next berry]

One thing I noticed was that in Sumeru, they went through the samsara cycle 168 times, which is also the same number if regional specialties used to fully ascend a characted

Probably smth along the lines of more proof that teyvat is in a samsara

[odd void]

Rhukkadevata literally stated that it is

She said to nahida

“You are me in the new samsara”

[ripe sparrow]

didn’t we get confirmation of this?? it was in a paper that was found in sumeru

[ripe sparrow]

i was literally begging hoyo to show paimon in an “evolved” goddess form (sustainer outfit??) during this scene omg

[next berry]

Man I just pieced it together and thought it was cool :(

[ripe sparrow]

oh no i’m so sorry

[somber ibex]

It’s ok you ate and left no crumbs

[ripe sparrow]

the connection you made is really cool though, i wouldn’t have thought of that at all!! and now you have more evidence to tell people if you need to explain the samsara to them

[somber ibex]

Also here’s a cool fun fact

Pneuma energy is related to celestia/everything above

Ousia energy is related to khaenri’ah/everything below

[ripe sparrow]

that makes so much sense

fueling my omni element theory/kind of a prayer to hoyo

[elder nebula]

i always felt like pneuma was for those higher in society, whereas ousia is for those working in the shadows type shit

[somber ibex]

I’m wondering whether the characters with pneuma or ousia are related to celestia and khaenri’ah or whether I’m being an idiot again

Bc the only connection I can make is neuvillette with pneuma energy bc he’s a dragon sovereign which also means he can go against celestia (like the king he is)

[somber ibex]

Hmmm true

[elder nebula]

like eg lyney with pneuma, lynette with ousia

[somber ibex]

Like Wrio in charge of the fortress
Navia in the spina
Clorinde being an introverted woman who was Furina’s right hand woman
Lynette being Lyney’s assistant

We know nothing about chevreuse but I will not stop saying that she looks like a British royal guard

[elder nebula]

she does omg 💀💀

[somber ibex]

Except maybe the leggings she wears bc the guards normally have black trousers but everything else about her is yelling British royal guard

[somber ibex]

Maybe this is also how they (I still don’t know who gives out visions help) give out visions

Depending on where they stand in Fontaine society. Whether they’re a leader of something or whether they’re an assistant/shadow

Ria Bestie Ur cooking smth

[ripe sparrow]

WHY DIDNT I KNOW WHO SHE WAS

[somber ibex]

HELPPPPP

[ripe sparrow]

IVE SEEN HER DRIP ART SO MUCH HELP

[somber ibex]

HELPP

I FEEL SO BAD FOR LAUGHING BUT LIKE ITS OK I PROMISE

I CALL HER ROYAL GUARD GIRL BC SHE REMINDS ME OF THE ROYAL GUARDS IN THE UK

[ripe sparrow]

i wanna say its the archons but i really don’t think they have control (or full control at least) over it because they dont have full control over anything

[somber ibex]

I think it is from the archons

Neuvillettes story mentions how everytime a human has a strong wish their wish is received by an archon which they’re (archons) obliged to give them a vision

If that’s the case then…

HOW DID CYNO AND ALHAITHAM GRANT A WISH WHILST READING A BOOK??????

[somber ibex]

This “power” is a fragment of their power and once the vision holder completes their “task” then the archon gets a gift

[ripe sparrow]

ohh right that makes sense

thanks

[elder nebula]

and nari with the 'um actually 🤓☝️'

[loud quest]

And lisa just was thinking and ✨️tada✨️ u have a vision

but also ive seen this in tiktok and i love it

[somber ibex]

REAL

[elder nebula]

interesting 👀

although i did read ambition as abortion lmfao

[odd void]

Genshin quantum element FOUND

GEMSHIN IMPACT IMAGINARY ELEMENT FOUND

Also continent theory was never a theory

It’s been confirmed since the beginning the game lol

[loud quest]

I never thought of the tree before

[loud quest]

Wait if the by text we woke up by paimon, but by the cutscene we were already awake when we "fished" paimon?

Wait no i read it wrong

[ripe sparrow]

continent theory?

[odd void]

yeah, people theorized that teyvat is just a continent

and not an entire world because for some reason they keep saying it in ways that makes people think its a world, which would make sense assuming all travel is cut off from outside the continent

however, the fact that the very first quest description says that means it was never a theory to begin with

people just didnt read that

which I mean, until my dad decided to I didn't either even tho I had like 5 chances to because of how many accounts I've created simply to do liek a swordsonly account or one element account

[ripe sparrow]

ohhh

thanks!

[odd void]

Np

[nocturne agate]

Ur dad plays too

[odd void]

I forced him

[ripe sparrow]

lolll

[somber ibex]

Not a theory but smth I’m praying for (pls only unspoil if you’ve done the Fontaine archon quest):

||Imagine if the sunglasses worn by Navia belonged to silver and she keeps them as a way to remember her bodyguards||

[mint oracle]

OH MY GOD.

THATS TERRIBLE I LOVE IT

[somber ibex]

I WILL CRY

[mint oracle]

ME TOO

[somber ibex]

We’ll cry together besper

[mint oracle]

yes ☹️

[elder nebula]

HELP I SAW THAT ONE ON REDDIT TOO

im getting her and reading her stories 🥲

[somber ibex]

Same

I want her

I’ve wanted her since I first saw her in the trailer (and i love her sm)

[elder nebula]

she was the first fontaine character i laid eyes on (in the leaks 💀💀)

thankfully i have two accounts and i think i can bag raiden too

[somber ibex]

Yes

[somber ibex]

I didn’t look at Fontaine character leaks I was just waiting for the reveal

[elder nebula]

as the impatient hoe i am i unironically enjoy spoiling stuff for myself 🙏

[mint oracle]

💀

[somber ibex]

Same 😭😭

[somber ibex]

I’m still very skeptical about the Knave after the archon quest. Childe and Scara both warn us as her being crazy but I’m wondering if that’s the previous knave and not the current knave that we know (I’m not very familiar with arlecchino lore so I apologise)

[elder nebula]

me too, that was her 'graceful, cordial front'

i need some time to marinate this

[somber ibex]

Same

I feel like the knave we know is not the previous knave

Help wait im confusing myself

Like Scara and Childe both warned us that she’s crazy but she seems really nice?

Then again she’s probably very deceptive

[ripe sparrow]

DONT DO THIS TO ME PLEASE
IM BARELY SURVIVING

[ripe sparrow]

a knave is a person who has no morals/is dishonest and unfair, and considering her very manipulative conversations with furina, i think you’re probably right

[somber ibex]

IM SORRY 😭😭😭😭

[ripe sparrow]

navia’s story is so sad istg 😭

[elder nebula]

i feel her bro ;-; i have a similar backstory

now SHE WILL BE MINE

[odd void]

Paimom is weakened istaroth

No she is not a moon sister

She is not the sustainer

She is not a seelie

There is no way her and istaroth having the EXACT same hair is just a coincidence

Unless istaroth was like a moon sisters reincarnation or something

[ripe sparrow]

OH??

i actually never thought about that but omg that’d be awesome

i do still like the theory of her being the reincarnation of sustainer in the new samsara though

also i remember that when celestia in game had that tilting issue (if you were in certain parts of the map celestia would appear tilted) and everyone blamed it on the fact that at the time celestia was a 2d image buuuuttttt it’s in the manga!!

still hung up on this ss as well

i mean now that we know teyvat is in a samsara and in the sumeru quest the samsara they went through was nilou’s dream, idrk where im going with this its just interesting to me

oml imagine if everything we’re doing in teyvat rn is just a dream and we (the traveler) aren’t even there, its just a story or a dream or a fairytale or something. if dreams lack logic and continuity, it would kinda explain why so much weird shit has happened?? like us meeting clothar and seeing things that didnt make sense and all the loom of fate and our sibling being an abyss prince/princess. idk this weird ass theory makes about zero sense BUT it would be very cool and cause people like me to lose their minds

my nighttime theories that are products of my brain’s mysterious workings!!

[ripe sparrow]

okay so to add to to that wouldn’t it be crazy if we’re not actually the traveler but someone learning about the traveler’s story? like a scholar studying it, a person recalling a fairytale aka the traveler’s story, a child beind told a bedtime story, idk. i know the chance of that is less than zero percent lmao but i just think it’d be wild

it doesn’t really fit into the lore either but that’s not the point, this is just a silly rant about weird things id like to see in game

[odd void]

Help this is me at night listening to theories and noticing things in videos that for some reason nobody has mentioned

[elder nebula]

oh my god if this is real i will genuinely yeet bricks 😭

i have very severe beef with stories that end it 'and it was all a dream' 💀🙏

[elder nebula]

who knows she still might be ista in the new samsara

[odd void]

I personally think she is

I mean

She’s now pretty much a child version of istaroth

[somber ibex]

If you think about it, the traveler in the lore of teyvat is quite weak right now because we are only able to beat up to rank 8 of the fatui harbingers (for Scara we had to use the help of Sumeru but he did have an archons gnosis but even without the gnosis we might’ve had a chance to defeat him)

[somber ibex]

That makes sense omg

[ripe sparrow]

ohh yeah you’re right

[ripe sparrow]

same here omg, i genuinely hate my own theory lmao

[loud quest]

us meeting clothar is still wild thing to me, we didn't "see" the memory, we actually "lived" it
that makes me wonder.. if we (the traveler) see in the abyss sibling pov does that mean that even the abyss sibling is able to see from our pov?

[ripe sparrow]

yeahhh it was so weird, and how we basically transformed into our sibling once we looked jnto the mirror

it would definitely be interesting if abyss twin could see from our perspective

[somber ibex]

I can imagine the endgame after celestia we play genshin again but from the perspective of the abyss twin

IF the abyss twin took the same route as us but backwards it would be:

Celestia, khaenri’ah, Snezhnaya, Natlan, Fontaine, Sumeru, Inazuma, Liyue and end in Mondstadt back were we started

We can sort of confirm this order because of the aranara quest where the previous golden nara (allegedly the abyss sibling) arrived in Sumeru after coming to Fontaine

Nara Varuna ^^

Arapacti says that Nara Varuna helped the aranara cook making me think our abyss sibling is Nara Varuna

Nara Varuna also talked about their sibling

The traveler also has a sibling

[ripe sparrow]

oooh yes

i saw a theory that the teleport waypoints were left by our sibling for us and thats why only we know how to use them

[elder nebula]

i think it's confirmed, based on which twin you chose it change nara varuna's pronouns

if you have lumine, nara varuna is a he/him, if you chose aether nara varuna is she/her

(i have two accounts with different travellers, i can confirm this)

[loud quest]

This is my first time knowing this, actually so cool

[ripe sparrow]

i didnt even know about nara varuna but thats really cool

[odd void]

well there is the undeniable proof

[ripe sparrow]

just found a theory saying that (i’ll try to explain as best i can)

furina’s vision was actually granted by neuvillette because focalors can no longer gift visions, which would explain why her vision has those four little fang-like pieces on it

if dragon sovereigns can grant visions, that could also explain why kaeya’s vision is different. we have no idea whether khaenrians can even be granted visions, seeing as the gods don’t like them. however, its possible that a dragon sovereign gave him his vision. on that note, what if it was the sinner (who i’m pretty sure is theorized to be a dragon sovereign, correct me if im wrong) that granted him a vision? its possible that visions can change based on who or what is granting it. kaeya’s vision is missing two of the wings symbolizing freedom, indicating less freedom. this could link to condemnation and judgement, therefore linking to sinning.

kaeya’s vision doesn’t bear any resemblance to a dragon, but we don’t know if anyone/anything other than celestia and dragon sovereigns can grant visions

this isn’t my theory by the way!! it is a combination of two theories i found

[somber ibex]

I would also like to point out that Neuvi is allowed to go against celestia because he is not an archon meaning he was able to gift furina a vision without any consequences

[ripe sparrow]

ohh yes thank you!

[odd void]

Signoras butterflies are actually pyro crystalflies

[ancient pumice]

No ... ?

[elder nebula]

errr

crystalflies dont have antennae

[somber ibex]

Don’t think so

They’re more moths bc her whole character design is based on moths

[odd void]

I think this simply because it has the crystal fly core shape

Biggest difference is the antennae’s

Tho wing shape is also different

Maybe a signora variant of a crystal fly?

Actually it’s more of a variant of the core

Still the similarities have to mean something

[mint oracle]

i rlly doubt it tbh

[ripe sparrow]

i think it's possible, i've definitely seen this theory a couple times before but personally i kind of doubt it

i guess we'll see when we get natlan

[elder nebula]

as callie mentioned, i think signora's are moths instead of crystalflies

[odd void]

If it’s a variant I don’t exactly think that it has to be a butterfly. But I still believe there’s some connection due to the similarities.

[odd void]

Anywho- I haven’t had any other theories recently

And that one isn’t really even a theory, just a thought I had

I wanna say it’s more speculation

[ripe sparrow]

i liked a theory i found that talked about the possibility of our sibling leaving the waypoints for us

if i’m correct, we’re the only ones that can use the teleport waypoints, except katheryne i guess

that’s the weird part of the theory, how tf would katheryne know about the waypoints? she’s likely a robot, who would’ve given her that info?

[elder nebula]

honestly my bets are on the fatui, since we know that the adventurer's guild is located in snezhnaya and the theory that it's run by sandrone

and since they were the ones that started the whole descender fiasco i'd think they'd know something

[somber ibex]

It’s also this why I believe that signora might have a redemption in Natlan

Since moths are a symbol of rebirth/resurrection and signoras funeral had the word lazzo in it which means an overused joke used to further out a plot and one of the most common ones is a fake death

[elder nebula]

if they revive signora i will genuinely cry

one of the common tropes in genshin is the 'oops- they're dead, BUT NO! THEY REVIVED!' and tbh i hate it

i despised baizhu's story quest for this reason 😭 let the dead stay dead

[somber ibex]

😭

[ripe sparrow]

yeah that was my guess as well, it would definitely make sense if that was the case

[ripe sparrow]

same oh my god please hoyo let her stay dead

[odd void]

Fr! I despise her if she revives I will throw something

I don’t want to see that jerks face ever again

I don’t want her to ever exist again

I HATE HER

[elder nebula]

i think she's a well written character

sure i don't like her much but i respect her writing

now don't fucking revive her 💀💀💀 let her rest in peace

and heres to hoping venti dies too 🙏

[ripe sparrow]

yesss i agree

i love well-written characters that you can actually hate without getting dragged through their trauma or their "good intentions" and that actually get killed/defeated by the protagonist (not like "oh they were convinced to join the good side or whatever) and signora, at least so far, is exactly that

[odd void]

The archons weren’t chosen because they were the winners, they were chosen based on their powers. The gnosis are powered by the 7 sovereigns powers, the archons powers needed to line up with the sovereigns.

[odd void]

Nooooooooooooo

[ripe sparrow]

as a venti lover i completely agree with this

[elder nebula]

i want it to be the most heart shattering, poetic, devastating death ever

i want to be crying for minimum 3 weeks afterwards

i want to never recover from the death of my favourite fictional character

please kill him hoyo 🙏

[somber ibex]

If that’s the case then I’m genuinely wondering whether it’s a coincidence that our sibling put the waypoints to match character constellations

[mint oracle]

never recover 🙏🙏

i want to be haunted for the rest of my goddamn life

[ripe sparrow]

i was thinking the same thinggg

i wonder if it actually has lore importance or if its just a little easter egg

[ripe sparrow]

SAME PLEASE HOYO

but venti 2nd story quest first please

[odd void]

why the heck do you guys want venti to die!?

like I'd be fine if it was him losing his mortal form

but not if he died

but I'm still wondering

can he die? if he's literally a wind spirit what happens if his mortal body dies

does he die as well or does Venti just return to his original form

I know that venti will probably die

but atp I'm pretty sure childe is more likely

I mean he was like

on the verge of death in the archon quest

[elder nebula]

i would say that too but after fontaine, it doesn't seem like he'd have much of a plot significance compared to venti

he def has his death flags but venti has a death carpet rn

[elder nebula]

I LOVELOVELOVE angst

and poetic deaths

like hi3 himeko

i think my favourite venti death headcanon is corrupt barbatos-unwillingly killed by traveler

freeing the god of freedom from the clasps of the darkness

[mint oracle]

personally i want venti to die because that would be the only true resolution to his story

he's the "only" of the original seven that remains (at least on their throne), and the one that was left unhappily in that position even after the archon quest's resolution

he hasnt freed himself from his ties to celestia and therefore is stuck as an alcoholic bard god who drinks to separate himself from that past

he guides and tricks and assists but never actually does anything big like he used to (he helped in the stormterror incident, but it was nothing to the scale of say the lawrence clan civil war situation)

he calculates and strategizes, never acting

i mean the fucking "gateway to celestia" is in mondstadt

hes trapped as he tries to keep his people free

if he were to die for that freedom it would be the most poetic thing possible

for him to live wouldnt allow him to ever truly be free from what hes done and his ties to celestia

if he does die the god of freedom would be free for the first time ever

and it would be beautiful

[elder nebula]

that could have so much trope potential with his death too as he's finally 'free'

[mint oracle]

right

[elder nebula]

i can't think of another archon that has the same amount of death trope potential

focalor's was beautiful

[mint oracle]

mhm

they could do it so fucking well

theyre holding him close for something

hes gonna have a lore bomb obviously

but hes meant for something more

[elder nebula]

her 'final act of justice' was indeed final

[mint oracle]

final act of freedom

id actually

just

cry

wait.

WAIT.

SHIT

SHIT

FUCK

[elder nebula]

dying for his mondstadt, as always

[mint oracle]

FOCALORS' FINAL ACT OF JUSTICE WAS TO GIVE POWER BACK TO THE SOVERIGN WHOM CELESTIA HAD STOLEN FROM

IT WAS TO FIX WHAT CELESTIA HAD BROKEN

CELESTIA IS LITERASLLY FLOATING IN THE SKY, THEIR EYES ON TEYVAT AT ALL TIME

NOBODY TRULY HAS FREE WILL

WE LEARNED THIS

[elder nebula]

let her cook‼️

[mint oracle]

NOBODY IN TEYVAT IS FREE

AND THE ONLY OF THE OG SEVEN GODS THAT REMAINS

THE ONLY ONE LEFT WHO KNOWS WHAT CELESTIA HAS DONE AND RETAINED THEIR THRONE

IS THE GOD OF FREEDOM

OH.

[elder nebula]

wait what happened to zhongli

[mint oracle]

he doesnt have his throne

he gave it up and stepped away

[elder nebula]

ah true

he abdicated

[mint oracle]

venti meanwhile didnt step away

hes still the anemo archon

[elder nebula]

focalor's is a pile of wood

[mint oracle]

💀

[elder nebula]

hol up

wait

wait

the bp is voiced by venti

[mint oracle]

the gasp i gasped

[elder nebula]

im checking now

[mint oracle]

its all coming together oh shit

what does it say

WHAT DOES IT SAYYY

im listening to it now

he knows everything

he knows everything

i think im right about him taking it upon himself to be a guide until he can be the sacrifice in the end just like the queen chess piece

he has all of the pieces we're missing

[elder nebula]

wait referencing the mondstadt aq 'what does freedom really mean when demanded of you by a god'
in the aq it was meant for dvalin, but he too is bound by celestia

[mint oracle]

my stomach actually just sunk

venti knows EVERYTHING

[mint oracle]

he knows what hes doing

[elder nebula]

...is really no freedom at all

[mint oracle]

focalors hid a ticking bomb inside fontaine for years in furina

venti knows teyvat isnt free

he is the time bomb

and we're the last piece he needs

the first heir stumbled he said

and now it's our turn

[elder nebula]

the heavenly principles lie dormant

when does that hoe wake up

[mint oracle]

he woke up when they did.

500 years before us

that was the lawrence clan time right

[elder nebula]

lawrence could've been long before

[mint oracle]

that was also when we first got to teyvat and the unknown god took our sibling

[elder nebula]

since the signora fiasco involved some grandmaster of fav

so it was definitely the cataclysm

which we know celestia was awake

[mint oracle]

every time something big happens hes there

and then he hides away again

im gonna have to compile everything

ill have to dig through his entire story

[elder nebula]

also can we talk about the one time he brought up the vision holder ascension shit and then it never turned up again

[mint oracle]

every voice line

[mint oracle]

RIGHT

[elder nebula]

count me in

[mint oracle]

THEY CAN BE GODS..?

WHY DOES NO ONE MENTION THIS

😭

and also the fact that he just made a fake working vision

like

what

😭

[elder nebula]

im not sure if it works but it does turn into a lyre

[mint oracle]

it glows for his burst

it works like an LED 😭

[elder nebula]

this is lore overload

[mint oracle]

and also

lyre

im gonna make a google doc here in a minute

[elder nebula]

narzissenkruz yesterday wiped me

[mint oracle]

😭

[elder nebula]

send it to meee

[mint oracle]

ok

ill like

share it

hang on

[elder nebula]

i think narzissenkruz has some massive lore bombs that could contribute

[mint oracle]

cater existing contributed

[elder nebula]

i forgot to take screenshots but errr

hold on

[ripe sparrow]

reading your conversation and the gears are whirring in my brain holy shit you guys are onto something

[ripe sparrow]

this hit me hard

whoa

he voices bp and also in beta, he voiced the intro cutscene

which means he also knows that we tried to leave and were stopped

holy shit he knows everything

i wonder if his death will be the moment we realize the truth of this world

[elder nebula]

👀

hi rabbits

we cooked

[ripe sparrow]

i mean we already saw focalors die just to fool celestia once, so now puzzle pieces are likely falling into place

hi

I SAW

[elder nebula]

heres what i sent vesper in dms

[ripe sparrow]

rhinedottir reference

love those

[elder nebula]

indeed 😌🙏

this is a rhinedottir loving household

bread production pipeline made me snort

[ripe sparrow]

we’ve also had our twin talk about the truth of this world, seen talk about the sinner, “met” the creator of the abyss order, learned about dain’s curse and the seelies, learned about the divine nails, and so much more. it has to be coming together now and i wonder if venti’s death will be the last piece of the puzzle

especially since our twin’s journey ended in mondstadt

crazy how mondstadt is the city of freedom, yet they (or more specifically their archon) are the most trapped by celestia

[elder nebula]

venti was also the first playable character apart from the traveler we set eyes on

[ripe sparrow]

indeed it is

[elder nebula]

it ends how it starts

[ripe sparrow]

full circle moments 🫶

[elder nebula]

its like how in hi3 and ggz kiana was called 'white moonlight' and had like 2628251935183 moon refs

and where is kiana now

the fucking moon

[ripe sparrow]

maybe when venti dies, his power will be returned to dvalin? and then power will truly return to the original dragon sovereigns

[ripe sparrow]

LMAO

[elder nebula]

i doubt dvalin is the anemo sovereign though, since it was mentioned somewhere that dvalin was from celestia

[ripe sparrow]

ohh right true

[elder nebula]

you might be on to something though

when venti dies the power gotta go somewhere

probably the anemo sovereign

[ripe sparrow]

i had this screenshot of a manga panel that showed two dragons fighting or playing or something in celestia

[elder nebula]

oh hello

[ripe sparrow]

watch it be varka or some wild shit like that

[elder nebula]

send

[elder nebula]

LMAO

if it was varka i'd think the whole lore community would collapse

[ripe sparrow]

it would lmaooo

[elder nebula]

actually @ripe sparrow have you done the narzissenkruz questline

[ripe sparrow]

probably not

[odd void]

Nope, aristocracy with 1000 years ago

[elder nebula]

oh HELLO

[odd void]

Also fun fact

Venti has the himeko type role in genshin

[odd void]

He’s the most like a mentor to the traveler than anybody else

[elder nebula]

THATS WHY HE NEEDS TO DIE

[ripe sparrow]

yeahhh i havent studied the dragons enough to know if we can identify those but they are definitely dragons

YES

[elder nebula]

DIEE VENTUI

[odd void]

LIVE

[elder nebula]

he may have been my favourite since my baby genshin days but DIE

[odd void]

AT LEAST AS A WIND SPIRIT

[ripe sparrow]

when/if venti dies it will absolutely break me

[elder nebula]

same

[ripe sparrow]

but i want him to so bad

[elder nebula]

i want to be broken

[odd void]

don’t make me cry again hoyo

You already did it with the best girl Kiana

[elder nebula]

I WANT TO CRY

[odd void]

With her going to the moon

[elder nebula]

HAVE ME SOBBING IN NATLAN OVER HIMEKO

[odd void]

Don’t make venti leave too

[elder nebula]

im sick with them being so kind with their characters

i came for the angst

[odd void]

This is why venti won’t die

[ripe sparrow]

came because it was pretty, stayed because holy shit the lore

[odd void]

Genshin is too scared

[elder nebula]

pull a honkai hoyo

nuh ih

they're holding it

have you even read vesper's essay

[odd void]

No. They aren’t, I won’t believe it

[ripe sparrow]

he has SO MANY death flags though like all around its a good decision for the story

[odd void]

Tho it’s not like the traveler ain’t gonna leave him either way

Idk if I’d be more broken seeing venti lose another friend or seeing venti die

[ripe sparrow]

both tbh

[elder nebula]

now i need both

thanks for the idea

😌😌😌

[ripe sparrow]

LOL

[elder nebula]

@mint oracle HC TIME EHEHEHEH

[odd void]

Well it’s either he lives to see his current closest friend leave him

Or he dies for the story

[elder nebula]

have you seen the hoyoverse games

you played hi3

hsr tingyun

[ripe sparrow]

i wanna know what hes done and talked about with dain

like i need to know

[odd void]

Him living to see the traveler leave him would probs be the most amount of angst

[ripe sparrow]

and with rhinedottir

likr he knows about albedo’s art of khemia

and obviously about durin

[odd void]

Okay but wait hear me out

[elder nebula]

traveller kills corrupt barbietoes ‼️‼️‼️‼️

[odd void]

There’s a sus Zhongli line

That suggests he is actually the only original 7

What if

Venti, the original venti is actually dead

[elder nebula]

send the voiceline

[odd void]

But he taught the current venti everything he knew and the current venti also got some of og ventis memories

[odd void]

I’ll go find the screenshot from a yt vid because I’m too lazy to find it myself

[ripe sparrow]

okay wait, so i dont know too much about this BUT venti does have that one dead friend right? like the bard guy? maybe him?? idk i need more info

[odd void]

“All that was once familiar has faded into memory”

[ripe sparrow]

hmm that wouldnt make much sense thoygh

[elder nebula]

i agree

[odd void]

But if og venti was still alive not all would fade into memory

[elder nebula]

what voiceline was that

he was most likely referencing his liyue friends

[odd void]

Don’t have Zhongli so my source is lore YouTubers

[elder nebula]

5 of the seven

[odd void]

Nope, it was talking about the archons in the video

[ripe sparrow]

yeah just random theories on a whim, i do believe that the unnamed bard guy is where venti got his name though

[elder nebula]

7 - 5 equals 2

[odd void]

Still doesn’t line up with the first voice line tho

Basically it’s contradicting the first sentence

[elder nebula]

it contradicts in the line right after 💀

[ripe sparrow]

thanks

[odd void]

Why does hoyo love contradicting the things they said right before

They did it in a recent Fontaine thing too

The first line suggests venti isn’t the og but tye 2nd line suggests he is

[elder nebula]

isn't venti 2600 years old

[odd void]

This is why I don’t deep dive into genshin lore

It’s so confusing

[elder nebula]

liyue was formed 3700 years ago when he signed a contract with the adepti

he was probably talking about the adepti

[ripe sparrow]

i like how this voiceline also talks about how the new archons forgot about their duty to guide humanity, likely referencing ei’s whole eternity + shogun thing, focalors putting a fake archon in her place (even if it was to protect her people in the end), and we’ll see how the other archons go

[elder nebula]

murata please die

[ripe sparrow]

YES

PLEASE

[odd void]

AGREED

but don’t kill venti

Give him more angst

[ripe sparrow]

i need to see another gnosis being taken by force by the fatui, rather than being handed over

[elder nebula]

KILL ALL OF THEM 📢‼️

[ripe sparrow]

REAL LMAO

[odd void]

And have him break after the traveler leaves

[ripe sparrow]

like zhongli, miko, nahida, and neuvillette all gave theirs away

SHES RHE ARCHON OF WAR

HAVE THEM FIGHT

[odd void]

He’s lost the nameless bard, Vanessa, almost lost dvalin

Cmon! I need more angst

[ripe sparrow]

no this is too cruel

[odd void]

The 7 seats will probs be gone at that point

[ripe sparrow]

likely

[odd void]

So he’d be free anyway

Ik venti has a tin of death flags

But I see tsaritsa dying instead

Like in all honesty, the tsaritsa is gonna get a punishment

And it’s probs death

[ripe sparrow]

ok but again venti death makes so much sense. zhongli has stepped down, leaving venti as the last og archon. his death would be the final act of freedom from celestia. and then we finally see the full “truth” of this world

[ripe sparrow]

honesrly, i think itd make more sense if it related to her people

[odd void]

But he won’t be an archon after the 7 seats are destroyed

Watch as venti is secretly friends with the anemo sovereign

[ripe sparrow]

we know the tsaritsa has an incredible amount of love for her people, and i remember things about her making the ultimate sacrifice for the sake of her people. so it would make sense if celestia punished or tried to punish her people, and then she sacrificed herself to save them. the final act of love

[odd void]

I need to sleep

[ripe sparrow]

yeah me too

[odd void]

I will be in denial until venti dies

[ripe sparrow]

lol

[odd void]

Now Gn

[ripe sparrow]

gn

[odd void]

Oh btw, I’ve been sure venti knows everything for a while

Now bedtime

[elder nebula]

im in the midst of doing a full on detail character analysis on venti

im going though his voicelines in all the archon quest and in game dialogue

[ripe sparrow]

also random theory ive had for a bit (this could totally be obvious to other people idk) but the anemo statues of the seven are probably istaroth, not venti

[elder nebula]

what

[ripe sparrow]

idk crack theories

it just makes sense to me

[elder nebula]

it has braids

[ripe sparrow]

oh

lmao i did not look close enough

oops

[elder nebula]

the hair is the same lol

[ripe sparrow]

lmaooo whoops

[elder nebula]

its ok lmaoo

[ripe sparrow]

anyways

[mint oracle]

we’re evil tbh

[mint oracle]

he is looking

[loud quest]

Y'all did a solid theory regarding venti and i have to add
If we really get to see venti "death" or at least a threat to him as the archon ~maybe~ we'll get to finally meet Istaroth

Since she's the god of wind and time i believe she has stronger power than venti, also maybe cus she doesn't have a gnosis her powers won't be driven by people believing in her like other archons

And also maybe she'll be able to manipulate time or break the teyvat time loop

[mint oracle]

also she’s like his mother so i mean yeah definitely

thanks aster

[somber ibex]

We do kind of have a brief idea of what she looks like

I’ve mentioned this multiple times but the statue in Inazuma is speculated to be Istaroth

Makes sense bc Istaroth is somewhat related to Enkanomiya

[loud quest]

Yeah ik about that i meant to meet her personally

[somber ibex]

True

That would be cool

I think venti is the only archon who is somewhat close to Istaroth

[loud quest]

Yeah i think so too, even if she was in inazuma before she would probably be knowing about makoto more than ei

[ripe sparrow]

i love this theory

[loud quest]

Ty im pretty proud of it👉🏻👈🏻💞

[ripe sparrow]

i think istaroth or the traveler are our best hopes of breaking the time loop

[elder nebula]

yesyes

although that begs the question who threw teyvat into a time loop

ofc celestia but

istaroth is suspicious

shes either breaks it or starts it

she has to do something

[ripe sparrow]

ohh true

i remember finding something that said “in hinduism, a samsara isn’t just a time loop. it’s a cycle of pain and suffering”

more truth of this world stuff ig

also probably relates to the archons suffering

[ripe sparrow]

the seelies look so much like oceanids, at least in their current form

like mini versions of them

[somber ibex]

“The power of water is its ability to take any shape”

“IN THE IMAGE OF THE WILDERNESS”

[ripe sparrow]

ohh right those quotes

[somber ibex]

I see what you mean though

I think they’re more Anemo bc they can infuse themselves with other elements

[loud quest]

I remember reading that the seelies we see are the remains of them not their actual form

[elder nebula]

yeah that was mentioned in one of those random game facts in the loading screen 😭

[odd void]

The twins were never related by blood, while the reason I think this could be true some people may say “oh but genetics! One of them could get their hair and skin tone from one parent and the other the other parent!”

They don’t have parents they’re stars

And their skin tone and hair color have different colors

But the traveler also confirms people born from stars could be related by blood, so does that mean that if two star born travelers are born from the same star, is that what makes them related by blood?

[ripe sparrow]

oh right

i saw a theory that the little statues that seelies settle into when you find them are their true forms

especially the ones in enka, which haven't eroded

[ripe sparrow]

strengthening my theory that there’s an omni element and that the traveler has it, which is why we can manipulate all the elements without a vision

[odd void]

In this case all descenders should have it

As we know that the 3rd descender was also very much compatible with it

Also for a while I’ve theorized that the abyss is Genshins Honkai energy

It’s corruptive, it’s destructive, it turns people into monsters

And the abyssal invasions would be the beginning of a Honkai eruption

However the gods always managed to stop it before it went that far

And what if the curse of the wilderness was not actually a curse

But celestial energy also being corruptive and turning humans into monsters

Both the sea of quanta and the imaginary tree are packed full of Honkai energy

It wouldn’t surprise me if celestial energy and abyssal energy both stem from a cocoon of finality

[odd void]

This would also mean that the sustainer actually is genshins herrscher of the void

The shade of life could potentially be the herrscher of reason, as she can “create” life

Herrscher of death would be shade of death

Venti would be herrscher of wind

Ei herrscher of lightning

As for nahida, istaroth, zhongli no clue

But phones could be herrscher of the end

Eh this theory makes like 0 sense

Just forget it ever existed in my mind lol

[ripe sparrow]

i mean considering that honkai means chaos (im pretty sure) this would make sense, especially considering how much they’ve referenced egyptian mythology, in which chaos and order must be in balance for the world to be stable

[odd void]

I theorize that nahidas outfit is her archon outfit

We see that the moment she’s born she’s already in it, and the archons are probs already in their archon outfit when they become archons

And nahida didn’t have a chance to change at all since ever since the day she was born she was trapped in isolation

[ripe sparrow]

yeah that makes sense

[ripe sparrow]

late night thoughts (there will be a few pictures im sorry in advance)

[somber ibex]

I’m wondering whether it’s because she managed to slice an island in half whilst defeating Orobashi and whether she managed to kill Kanna Kapatcir

[ripe sparrow]

ohh yeah that’s true

[loud quest]

i will add a little, in Inazuma people thought that makoto and ei are the same person but still makoto is meant to be “baal” while ei is meant to be “beelzebub” and in The Lesser Key of Solomon they’re associated together but im not going to talk about my fav theory archons = demons this time :)
ei always referred to herself as "the shadow" when makoto ruled, makoto and ei were born from a divine lightning makoto was born from its light and ei from its shadow
and since Inazuma is basically japan some said that they may be inspired by raijin and fujin (the Japanese gods of thunder and wind or as some call them the gods of weather) but i don’t see how it applies to makoto

[ripe sparrow]

oh yeah you’re right, i also realized that i made a mistake - baal and beelzebub are different demons, so it would make sense if makoto was much more powerful than ei especially if ei refers to herself as the shadow

[ancient pumice]

Raijin is represented in Kanji as 雷神, a combination of 雷 (kaminari), meaning “thunder,” and 神 (kami), meaning “god” or “spirit.” Thus, he is simply the Thunder God. Other names are Kaminari-sama (雷様, “Lord Thunder”), Raiden-sama (雷電様, “Lord Thunder and Lightning”), Narukami (鳴る神, “The Resounding God”) and Yakusa no ikazuchi no kami (厄災の雷の神, “God of Storms and Disaster”)

Also saw that "Ei" means "shadow" and "Makoto" can mean truth
So like ... Both are "raiden" as god of thunder, but Makoto was the real one while Ei was the shadow ... Which is ... Their story OwO

[ripe sparrow]

oh that’s really interesting

[odd void]

And I have a new theory

What if the Celestial nails are the pillars in the infinite bridge screen and each one has a specific level up power and the ones being dropped have just been the weakest

[azure lark]

thats a stretch

[ripe sparrow]

the level up power is throwing me off, that just doesn’t seem to make sense to me idk

[azure lark]

ya

[odd void]

Not really leveling up-

But yeah the theories dumb

Just a fun random thought that popped into my mind

[ripe sparrow]

i love those fun random thoughts

it would be really cool for sure if there were stronger nails

[somber ibex]

I saw a theory earlier saying that chiori could be a ninja

Considering how she’s friends with Ayaka and Ayaka was not allowed to make any friends outside the Yashiro commission (Shuumatsuban etc etc) I’m wondering whether chiori was somewhat related to the Kamisato clan

If you would like to see the whole theory you can watch CatWithBlueHat video all credits go to them

[azure lark]

that’d be awesome

chiori my love

[odd void]

Fr

[ripe sparrow]

please please please that’d be so cool i love her

[somber ibex]

Real

If you wanna watch the whole theory check out catwithbluehat video

They do a very good explanation of the theory I just mentioned but I thought it would be cool to mention it here all credits go to them

[ripe sparrow]

thank you i’ll check that out!!

[somber ibex]

It gives an in-depth analysis of chioris secret persona which I think is really interesting

[elder nebula]

👀👀

to youtube i go

[somber ibex]

YESSSS

[ripe sparrow]

you sold me i’m watching as soon as i can

[elder nebula]

ninja chiori is so

AAAA

[odd void]

I think I said this but through observations I think it’s even more likely

[odd void]

The message didn’t send….

[ripe sparrow]

loll can you send it again by any chance? or is it too long to type out

[somber ibex]

Something which I noticed about the albums

The first and last song somehow always have a connection to each other:

First album:

Venti and zhongli themes

Venti and zhongli both like to drink together

Second album:

Xiao and Raiden

Both were stuck in an eternity of suffering. Xiao was stuck obeying an evil god and Raiden was stuck inside her plane if euthymiya

Third album

Itto and Nahida

Itto is an adult “trapped” with a childlike mind
Nahida is a child “trapped” with an adult like mind

Fourth album

Wanderer and furina themes

Wanderer and furina were both deemed as gods with wanderer being a false god and furina pretending to be Focalors

If this is the same for the next future albums then the first song will be Navia’s theme and the last being the pyro archon theme is playable

Since Navia is a boss lady then we can depict that the pyro archon is somewhat going to be a boss lady

[ripe sparrow]

whoaaa

thats really cool

[odd void]

Nahida breaks a ton of the normal playable character model themes. With my main observation being her mainly white outfit color palette and the carp ton of gold on her

And I’ll go merge them into one pic brb

Normal archon outfits :

Then we’ve got nahida

And the other archon outfits

Nahidas outfit doesn’t have an outfit that actually really matches her nation tbh, I can’t explain it but all of sumeru tends to have lose clothing meanwhile she has a dress and none of that lose draping clothes that other Sumerians tend to wear

She also doesn’t follow a most green color theme to match dendro like her fellow archons do

While nahidas is white the other archons nation themed outfits follow there elements color theme
Venti - Teal
Ei - purple
Furina - Blue
Zhongli - orange and brown

[odd void]

However looking at archon outfits she follows common themes that Zhongli so far is the only outlier in

Others archon outfits (including Zhongli, one of the two only themes that I can see he follows) follow a mostly white color theme with their elements color as accents

They’ve also all got a carp ton of gold on them besides Zhongli

And every god that we’ve seen besides Zhongli doesn’t wear shoes

Nahida follows all of these themes

Nahida also follows a theme that if this theory is correct is among the goddesses of Genshin

And finally

When did she have time to change into an outfit the blends into the nations clothing style?

From the moment she was born to the timeline that the archon quest takes place in she’s been trapped in the sanctuary of surasthana

[odd void]

Random unlikely theory but the abyss orders obsession with mondstadt isn’t them trying to destroy it, it’s them trying to save it

Like if the travelers journey is meant to parallel with the twins then mondstadt is going to be destroyed

But I think that instead of Celestia, the twins efforts will be what destroys it.

They’ll end up going too far and destroying mondstadt on accident

As for why I think this, it’s because the siblings enemy faction would’ve been Celestia, however the travelers is the abyss. The traveler has been becoming friends with every celestial entity they’ve met besides the sustainer

So it’ll only make sense that they’ll side with Celestia over the abyss

And that they’ll align their powers with celestial powers as well

As for why mondstadt would be destroyed even if the abyss order don’t, look at all the connections it has to kheanriah and not just from the people

You could argue it looks like an overworld version of kheanriah

And the kheanriahns there(most notably albedo) are messing with things they aren’t supposed to be messing with

Mondstadt also has quite a few red flags for destruction

The abyss orders obsession, albedos voice line, the similarities to kheanriahs landscape, and probably more that I can’t think of off the top of my head

Wait isn’t it the only nation we haven’t heard of a nail landing on that we’ve had for over a year mondstadt?

There’s that too

Oh wait there’s also durins remains there

[ripe sparrow]

ohhh wait weren’t they also praying to the venti statue too?? i was wondering why venti in specific but maybe that’s why, they were praying to mondstadt and its archon

[odd void]

Oooh

I didn’t know that

I wonder if Venti was the only archon to have mercy on kheanriahns and only one to allow them to truly integrate into mondstadt society

And that’s why they would be willing to pray to him while clothar loathed the idea of praying to the dendro archon

[ripe sparrow]

i mean yeah we know that venti has had dealings with dainsleif, rhinedottir, knows about durin, and knows about art of khemia so its possible he accepted the khaenrians and was kind to them

[odd void]

Honestly I see parallels between mondstadt and kheanriah as well

Mondstadt is an independent nation whose god left them to rule the nation. They’re practically a human nation who just has a gods protection

And it’s the fact that they have a god they worship that keeps them from rebelling against the nation in the sky

[ripe sparrow]

yeah definitely

[ripe sparrow]

bad photo but we can be directly under celestia now i think so hooray!!

idk if i just can’t see it but it looks like there’s only one nail?? maybe because of the angle but mayybeee there’s another reason?

[ripe sparrow]

oh my god i saw someone say that black swan from hsr reminded them of the welkin and i cannot unsee that

also in searching that up i learned that welkin means “vault of the sky” or “firmament” so more things to add to the fake sky stuff

[somber ibex]

I can’t unsee it now

[ripe sparrow]

me neither

[versed glade]

come onnnn the hat is a lot differentttt

And the shoulder tho 😏

[elder nebula]

its the genshin expy /j

[odd void]

I always thought she looked more like Layla

[ripe sparrow]

i can see that, i see black swan more though idk

but yeah layla makes sense too

[odd void]

I meant I always thought black swan looked more like Layla

She even has the split hair in the back

[ripe sparrow]

ohhh

i interpreted that wrong lol sorry

yeah i can definitely see that

[elfin latch]

where is that?

[ripe sparrow]

its in that strip of water between the edge of fontaine and chenyu vale

idk if we can be fully under celestia but i think this is the closest that it’s been??

[elfin latch]

oh wow

[versed glade]

uh 🤓 yo ushould use your resins 🤓

[odd void]

I just had a very important realization(I think) focalors has the actual like same rounded ends shape of the imaginary symbol from hi3

Is for why I was looking at her feet…

[ripe sparrow]

okay so random thought

delusions, right? they drain the user's life force, as we saw ||with teppei in the inazuma archon quest, when he withered away from unknowingly using a delusion||. this can apply to many of the fatui members, but i'm specifically talking about childe cuz it's easier. childe uses a delusion and has used LARGE amounts of its power ||ex. in the golden house fight, when he attacked the fontaine court, and when he fought the huge ruin guards||. this should be fairly draining for his life force, right? but it doesn't seem to be. he doesn't seem to have any trouble using it whatsoever. this brings up some questions for me. is childe just special? does it depend on how powerful the delusion user is? ||is it just because teppei used his too much, too irresponsibly?||

(spoiler tagged for inazuma archon quest, fontaine archon quest, + childe story quest spoilers)

seeing as delusions are likely going to come into play more as we get closer to snezhnaya + the fatui, i feel like we should know more about them

[loud quest]

ok i never thought of it but after a quick search it appears that childe's delusion is different (it maybe has to do with the fact that he already has vision not something about the delusion itself) in his foul legacy phase he's able to use both vision and delusion at the same time and he is capable of wielding both elements
and for the fact that childe still hasn't drained yet, i mean with dottore with them i won't be suprise about what he possibly did

also while searching i found that the chinese name for delusions is "evil eye" which is kinda funny to me cus vision chinese name is "eye of god"

[ripe sparrow]

wait that’s actually so interesting

i love when hoyo does these things

yeah it’s possible that dottore did something

it’s pretty likely that he’s researched them since he was interested in diluc’s

[elfin latch]

I'd say it's not special. if you remember the archon quest where we enter the golden house and fight against childe, he felt very exhausted using his delusion. I think he is getting better because he is training very hard. also to fight that narwhal. he changed a lot since then.

[ripe sparrow]

true, that’d make sense

[odd void]

He used to get heavily effected by it

In his story quest we found him lying against a wall obviously really weak

Like weak enough that he admitted that it was too much and he had to go to a doctor

[ripe sparrow]

ohh i completely forgot about that

you’re right

[elfin latch]

what do you think which element is arlecchino's delusion?

[ripe sparrow]

oooh that's a good question actually

cryo seems most probable to me

but maybe hydro if not? idk i'm literally going off of "nah she doesn't seem like someone who would want to use dendro"

actually really interesting that signora's element is pyro and not cryo

first archon to have a different element than her region

[mint oracle]

i think for arlecchino itll be cryo

[elfin latch]

most likely, but that would be so boring honestly

she's like signora then

[elfin latch]

she's not an archon what are you talking about

[ripe sparrow]

sorry i somehow mixed up the tsaritsa and signora

[elfin latch]

Lol arigt

[odd void]

Huh- how?

Like

Tsaritsa

How can she not have cryo? And how do you know she has pyro?

[elder nebula]

????

are we talking about the tsaritsa or la signora down here

💀💀

[odd void]

They mixed up tsaritsa and signora

[elder nebula]

ik but who was that message directed towards 😭

i just assumed it was signora since the archon bit was obviously a jumble lol

[ripe sparrow]

my brain completely blanked and i confused myself and everyone else lol sorry

[elder nebula]

nono its ok lmao

[odd void]

Will you still be an Acheron main if it turns out she did kill firefly

[mint oracle]

i’ll answer on her behalf

yes

yes she would

[elder nebula]

110%

absofuckinglutely

😌

[odd void]

But 3hat happened to firefly is unforgivable

I personally intend to become the #1 firefly main

Every. Single. Thing. I grind. In this painfully annoying game will be. For. Firefly

[elder nebula]

nice

this is a genshin post

[mint oracle]

good for you (?)

[elder nebula]

i'd still main acheron even if she nuked penacony lmao

anyway back to genshin because idfk where acheron got dragged into this

[mint oracle]

real

[odd void]

Random but
Venti: god of freedom who’s shackled by celestial chains(metaphorically ofc)
Zhongli: god if contracts who signed a contract to end all contracts
Ei: god of eternity who accepts transience
Nahida: god of wisdom who was locked away from wisdom and knowledge from the day she was born
Focalors: god a justice who committed a grave sin
The tsaritsa: god of love who has abandoned all love and closed off her heart

Following this pattern, the god of war should be a “god if war” who strives for peace

[odd void]

don’t worry, my go with the flow self makes this mistake all the time, I break the flow once my stupid mind realized

[ancient pumice]

Isn't it because he also has a vision ? So more power battery ??

[ripe sparrow]

oh yeah maybe? i did not do enough research before sending that message but yeah that makes sense

[somber ibex]

I feel like she might use cryo but idk

It might be the same case as signora where arlecchino pyro vision made her go crazy and the cry archon gave her cryo to cooldown

I think hydro would fit her maybe

[ripe sparrow]

yeah i agree with that

[loud quest]

So in 2019 they announced about the travelers and i have so many questions but thing that i keep thinking about is the "vision" slot is missing

When they wrote about neuvillette it was "??: hydro" cus it's not vision but he can use the element, but they wrote that there's a vison it's just unknown

SO DOES THAT MEAN THE TRAVELER WILL END UP HAVING A VISION?????

[ripe sparrow]

oh that’s actually really interesting

i love the mention of a “new world” again

”the world you knew is but dust” old world i guess?

[odd void]

Prepare for zero sense and zero likeliness but

What if Alice is Elysias Genshin twin

She could still have red eyes too with pink hair, or pink eyes with blond hair because Klees dad could have the blonde hair or the red eyes

And they’re both described with elf-like features

And guess what, elysia has elf like features

Elysia and alive are both a bit on the coo coo side

Alice seems to have a very girly nature, like elysia

And there’s probably more that I’m too lazy to think of

[mint oracle]

doubt

[somber ibex]

Plinks

[odd void]

Yes. Definitely doubt

Literally just another random thought that I thought I’d share

[somber ibex]

As far as Ik neuvillette doesn’t have any vision whatsoever but I can see what ur cooking up

[somber ibex]

Imagine us getting a vision from celestia

Also something really cool:

In Furina’s teaser you can see furina hugging Seymour (the dog from the Fontaine quest that I forgot the name of)

I’ve seen some people say that Furina’s whole act to be Focalors is a reference to that world quest

[loud quest]

Yeah he doesn't, i meant that he's able to use the element without it
and they wrote as the source is unknown while in the traveler they wrote that there's a vision

[somber ibex]

True

Neuvis vision story allows us to fully determine where visions come from and that we know Raiden Ei scammed us

[loud quest]

Cus as far as we're in the game we know that the traveler is using the elements without a vision but they wrote as they (the traveler) have a vision it just not clear what the element

[somber ibex]

True

[loud quest]

Neuvillette and fontaine overall gave us a lore we never thought about lol

[somber ibex]

I can imagine us getting a vision after we defeat the heavenly principals

[somber ibex]

TRUE

[loud quest]

Possible

[ripe sparrow]

wait that's actually awesome i love that

[ripe sparrow]

still hoping for an omni element

i'm really really really hoping that pyro archon + fatui fight over the gnosis

i mean, she's the god of war, wouldn't it make sense? plus i also just want someone other than venti to not give away their gnosis willingly
please i want them to fight

[somber ibex]

Furina basically foreshadowed the whole Fontaine world quest plot and I still dont know the name of it

[somber ibex]

I think we might fight the pyro archon

[ripe sparrow]

oooh i like that idea too

[elder nebula]

speaking of foreshadowing im still seething over the fact they spoiled the entire fontaine arc like 10 minutes into the first act and NO ONE NOTICED

😭

[ripe sparrow]

still mad that the entire fontaine archon quest is in the description of an item

[loud quest]

huh?? which item

[ripe sparrow]

uhh hold on let me find it

its not the entire quest, but i found it interesting (this is likely talking about something much earlier but it talks about similar events)

[somber ibex]

Not really a theory but something really cool about Nahida:

As we know all archon splash arts show their region behind them

Venti being Mondstadt and having a little Dvalin flying
Zhongli having the mountains of liyue
Raiden with tenshukaku and the Sakura petals
Furina with her representation of Fontaine

But the one I think has most detail relating to the archons lore is Nahida

Nahida background closely resembles her burst but Nahida also looks like she is trapped inside the sanctuary of surasthana in her splash art and her pose is reaching out for something

This could either be one of two things

1. Nahida is reaching out into the real world as she’s always wanted to explore because she’s been locked away for 500 years

Or

2. What if that something she is reaching out for is Rukkhadevata (I think I spelt her name wrong again)

Here’s the splash art if you need

[ripe sparrow]

if anyone in this thread still exists hi i found more lore i think (spoilers for khvarena quest if anyone cares about that)

ok so there's this door in sumeru right?? it's a huge door in an underground tunnel that you find in the khvarena of good and evil quest or whatever it's called, which would be fine if the quest didn't specifically say that you were exploring khaenrian ruins. so... is that door the door to khaenriah (or maybe not the city but like a castle or some sort of important central building)???

ok now second point: the cyan circle sun-looking thing indicates where there was a mourning flower sitting right in front of the door (i picked it so i could read the description because i had none of those flowers)

the description of the mourning flower is
"Crimson flowers that can bloom even on ancient battlefields or flourish in the depths of the desert. Its drooping flowers seem to mourn for heroes long past. Once, when beings dark and demonic invaded the lands, countless heroes sacrificed themselves in a battle against them. Legend has it that these flowers are watered by the blood of these martyrs. The tribes of these plains speak additionally of the countless innocents who suffered from the calamity, of how due to being stained by the filth from the war, they are barred from eternal samsara, and can only languish amidst these flowers, lamenting the injustice of fate by weeping."

there's a lot of really weird parts in that description
overall, it's most likely talking about the cataclysm + destruction of khaenriah

• "beings dark and demonic" = rifthounds and whatever else rhinedottir released in khaenriah
• "countless heroes sacrificed" = soldiers of khaenriah that died, makoto???
  and then there's the "due to being stained by the filth from the war, they are barred from eternal samsara" part which might refer to the immortality curse??? (that one's a stretch, but if we go with ria's theory of reincarnation when the samsara restarts it might work? idk)

the "can bloom even on ancient battlefields" is interesting as well, might be worth looking into where these things are especially in mondstadt

OH i also saw someone say that the scene in nahida's first story quest where ||the people in the one guy's dream land start turning into all sorts of monsters and there's a lot of red energy and stuff|| might be a hint as to how the khaenrian people were turned into various creatures

especially since more than one person ||was turned into a rifthound AND the emira girl was turned into a golden wolflord||

couple other photos + a better photo of approximately where the flower was ig

[loud quest]

omg???? I never connected these before but now it seems pretty obvious

also not sure where i read this but i'll put spoiler tag just incase
||so we know Khaenri'ahs turned into hilichurls but apparently the hilichurls (as monsters) were in teyvat even before cataclysm, so does this mean that hilichurls came from even older civilizations that suffered the same fate as Khaenri'ah?||

[ripe sparrow]

whoaaaa maybe

that's a really good theory

[ripe sparrow]

yeahh i really like that one

the mourning flower thing is so interesting to me

[ripe sparrow]

another theory - is it possible that the inverted statue was orginally in the center of mondstadt, where the statue/gateway to celestia is now?? idk how to explain it, it's kinda a long stretch but it makes some sort or sense to me

[mint oracle]

the inverted statue is a statue of the seven while the gateway to celestia statue is just a dedicated relic to barbatos

its more likely that the inverted statue was once another waypoint statue of the seven as we know them and just got turned by abyssal power

perhaps an underground place thats non accessible other than the we will be reunited quest

almost like khaenri'ah itself

just a lost ruin that used to be in common use?

[ripe sparrow]

sorry i didn't explain that enough i meant to say that the statue is in the place where the inverted statue originally was before it was taken

[ripe sparrow]

found a page on greek primordial god aether so here's my favorite parts/lines

• "Aether, sometimes also spelled Aither, was a primordial god of light. He was also the god of the sky, which the ancient Greeks considered to be “blue ether” that represented heaven. Aether’s mists were able to fill the space between the transparent mists on the ground and the solid dome that made up the sky."

• "As a primordial god, Aether wasn’t depicted as a humanoid personification of an element. Instead, Aether was considered to literally be that element. This means that all of the air between the sky and Earth’s air was considered to literally be Aether."

• "Aether was one of three primordial air gods."

• "Aether was thought to envelop the moon, sun, stars, clouds, and peaks of the mountains. All of these areas were Aether’s domain, while other parts of the Earth fell to Chaos."

• "Aether is one of the very first gods of the Ancient Greek Mythology. These first gods are called “primordial gods,” because these first deities came from an empty space. This nothingness or void is called Chaos in Greek."

• "Aether also had powers to control the sun, the moon, the stars, and the clouds, as well."

make of these what you will i guess, just found it interesting

[somber ibex]

So for some reason I had a bit of a thought:

• as I’m sure you lot are aware, the statue of the omnipresent god is rumoured to be Istaroth

• considering the fact that we have to be in front of Said statue to have access in the plane of euthymia I’m wondering whether Istaroth is connected to it because of the time Ei spent isolating in there

[brazen cargo]

idk if this is a bit of a reach but yknow how ei had to fight her puppet and how time passed so fast there, the fact we left for a small amount of time but it had been centuries where ei was in, and istaroth is a god with control over time and wind

either that,, or its just bcs ei is an archon and also is powerful enough to manifest some typa domain with weird time boundaries or whatever

no idea but i kinda just realised that

[lilac patrol]

Well after reading the perinheri book and compared its information and what we know about alrecchino, I found an interesting connection between the 2

• The book started by telling a story from khaenri’ah of a kid called perinheri that was an orphan who no one knows about who might be his relatives or even where he came from, the story tells that a being who could transcend the gods arrived at Khaenri’ah and founded an orphanage similar to the house of the hearth (they accepted anyone even outlanders) and during his arrival in public a crimson moon would always be shining down uppon the land ,Perinheri was taken by this mysterious person and worked under him.
Fast forward (because at this point its better to just copy and paste the story here) After a certain event during the archon war (i think it is but i m not sure) everyone in the orphanage either died or transform into what it seems to be hilichurls but out of all of them Perinheri didnt transform into one but rather got some similar side effects to caterpillar (like his hands turned black) and he was alone , free to do whatever he wanted (the story ends here)

•Now back to arlecchino the first thing we can look is that her title is “Dire balemoon” which can be connected to the crimson moon of Khaenri’ah , We can also say (as stated before) that the house of the hearth looked almost identically like the orphanage that the outlander created and both arlecchino and him have similar goals (it is what i deducted) , and as for physical aspect arlecchino also has the same looking hands as perinheri

• So my deduction is that maybe perinheri is an outlander , and arlecchino is the reincarnation of him and she inherited the will of the mysterious person to help everyone (since they share the same goals and kinda have the same method of doing things), So if we look at her trailers as just seeing her memories ,Scara being there might just be a key point to prove that she is the reincarnation of perinheri since that means

she remembers him and only outlanders can remember him

**Also i forgot to mention that her original name is Peruere and uere means error so that might just prove even more she isnt supposed to be here

||PS: There might be some errors its the first time i m trying to make deductions so yeah sorry for the problems||

[elder nebula]

i mean in that cutscene when we enter makoto's plane to fish out ei we do see some cecelias along with fragments of raiden

[ripe sparrow]

ohhh i like this a lot

ok so me and my sister explored the time island today and there was a lot but here's one thing, so in the middle of the island there's a symbol surrounded by 4 kinda infinity/figure 8 symbols
so the weird thing is when we went to spiral abyss later, i noticed that there seems to be a similar symbol around the spiral abyss portal
my sister said the symbol might have been representing the time loop, hence the 4 symbols (1 for every samsara) on the time island

ok the other thing was that the entire island was almost completely sunken underwater, i couldn't get a good picture but there was sunken stone floors/buildings going pretty far out from the island, they were deep too
almost the whole island has disappeared, leaving what seems to be just the top of whatever the main building was

also, while i was swimming around the island and looking at the underwater stuff, i realized that the architecture and stone reminded me a LOT of the mondstadt church. so..... could this have been an "old" church, dedicated not to venti, but to istaroth??

[ripe sparrow]

makes me wonder just how much of the "ocean" between starsnatch and the time island is actually sunken buildings n stuff

[ripe sparrow]

spoilers for time and wind quest
the wind barrier thing (it wasn't really a barrier, just looks like one) looks a lot like the wind barrier at the tower in stormterror's lair (i think it's called decarabians tower??) which makes me wonder if the "faint voice" was something related to decarabian

[ripe sparrow]

i just found this message from february lmao what is this

[elder nebula]

oohh hello 👀👀

only 'hole' as such would be the fact that if these ruins were erected during ista's time then these are very very old, and the 4th samsara likely wouldn't have happened then but theres also the fact that the devs like to slip details in without chronological order soooo

[ripe sparrow]

ohh true thanks

i still like her theory though!!!

[olive plaza]

is it me or do u guys think arlecchino goes by “Father” instead of “Mother” is because she may be traumatized by her past?

And also goes by Arlecchino instead of Peruere bc of her past too?

[somber ibex]

Probably

[somber ibex]

Either that or her new name was bestowed upon her by Pierro when she first became a harbinger

[elder nebula]

i like the theory that she is a 'strict, unfeeling father' that genuinely cares deep down because she didn't want to be her 'caring, warm mother' that ended up being a facade for a cruel and psychotic woman. im guessing its also a play on the 'uncaring father and caring mother stereotype' so i suppose so yes

[elder nebula]

for one thing, cecelia's are directly shown in the cutscene where we go to fish out ei (pls ignore the shitty graphics ;-;) and cecelias are

1. found in mondstadt, where as per rabbit's half essay earlier is deeply tied to mondstadt and venti
2. freaking venti's ascension mats

oh and istaroth was directly by name brought up in the dialogue

[elder nebula]

not exactly contributing but remember that hole in decarabian's tower that if we jump in paimon panics instead of her normal out of bounds dialouge

makes me think in venti's pt 2 we'll get some decarabian + istaroth lore 👀

[urban zealot]

replying so i get notifs

idk if smb said this already but, when i first watched ||furinas+focalors execution||, my biggest question was “why would focalors try to deceive the heavenly principles?” and lowk, it's weird that the title of that cutscene is “Sinners Finale.” is focalors the sinner that was mentioned? idk sorry if this doesn't make sense 😭

[urban zealot]

and before the cutscene she just says it like it's no big deal. “... It was to deceive the heavenly principles, of course..” or something like that

I understand that it was to deceive the heavenly principles

but why?

why would focalors try to deceive the heavenly principles?

maybe this is what the “sinner” is, going against heavnly principles

to go so far as to deceive them

i'm genuinely curious if she actually deceived them OR if the heavenly principles just sorta, let it slide

was it in the archon quest? i'm not so sure myself

[ripe sparrow]

yess i was just exploring there actually
i definitely think that’s possible and it’d be so awesome if thats what his story quest ends up being

[urban zealot]

it defo would b awesome ngl

[ripe sparrow]

if i remember the quest correctly, she was trying to decieve celestia so that she and/or the people of fontaine wouldn’t be punished for the past hydro archon’s “sins” (aka making the people of fontaine out of oceanids)

please correct me if km wrong

[urban zealot]

no ur right

i have goldfish memory

[ripe sparrow]

lmao me too its ok

[urban zealot]

but still, why was it “Sinners Finale?”

[elder nebula]

it worked, i don't think celestia factored in neuvillette to regain full power

[urban zealot]

ooh okay

[elder nebula]

i think it was the fact that the hydro archon was 'a sinner' for creating humans out of oceanids, and it was her execution yk

[urban zealot]

maybe

my theory doesn't quite make sense LOL i thought of this late @ night 😅

[elder nebula]

either that or she was a sinner for deceiving the heavenly principles

[urban zealot]

right

[elder nebula]

its ok i haven't touched genshin lore in months and its 11:30pm rn

[urban zealot]

it's 9:39 AM for me 😭

[elder nebula]

fontaine was so well done man

[ripe sparrow]

yes it was

[elder nebula]

i have high hopes for natlan

please be good

(and venti pt 2)

[urban zealot]

right

[ripe sparrow]

is venti pt 2 coming in natlan?

mare jivari’s there isnt it?

[ancient pumice]

Isn't Arlecchino a title tho ?

[ancient pumice]

I think if the original sinner was "present", heavenly principles would find a way to "correct" the sin, by ||killing/punishing Focalor themselves and turning Fontainians back to Oceanid||
By hiding, she avoids this outcome and finds a way to ||free the Fontainians from their sin aka turning back into oceanids||
Is my understanding

[ancient pumice]

Well, as the Hexenzirkel lady said in the ||archon quest|| (dont remember her name sorry, that the heavenly principles ||cant see everything. So the question is, how far can they see, and what can remain hidden ?||

[ancient pumice]

Well, og hydro archon and by extension her creations are sinners
And it's the grand finale of Fontaine, a nation of sinners

[olive plaza]

Is it? Bc when she was introduced to us in Fontaine, she was represented as “Arlecchino, the Knave, the Fourth of the Fatui Harbingers”

[ancient pumice]

Ye but they all have names from the comedia del arte
Tartaglia's real name is Ajax
And he also has the title of Childe

Same with Il Dottore, the Doctor, real name Zandik

||The Balladeer, Scaramouche, real name Kunikuzushi
The Fair Lady, La Signora, real name Rosalyne-Kruzchka Lohefalter||

[olive plaza]

Actually that makes sense bc I don’t think we call her by arlecchino and instead we call her by knave

I mean I don’t remember if we did in the Fontaine archon quests sooo

[urban zealot]

makes sense, tysm

[urban zealot]

that is true. how far can they really see?

[ripe sparrow]

ooh this is actually really interesting

[ripe sparrow]

ok mona idle animation thing where she pulls out the scrying glass (is that what she calls it)

so with the help of google i translated the characters in the idle (hopefully they're correct) i don't really know what to do with that but it's there so!!
she also pulls out different character constellations (i believe it's randomized) when her idle plays!! for example, in 2 of the images there's amber's constellation and lisa's

[urban zealot]

ooh that's rlly cool

[ripe sparrow]

yeahh i like her animation a lot

i think mona's definitely going to be important at some point, i mean she's studying under a member of the hexenzirkel, has the star of khaenriah on her outfit (3 times), and can predict the future with divination

she's likely learned a lot of info about the heavenly principles and other things, ||more than what we heard during fontaine quest||

[urban zealot]

yep

that's probably true

especially because she can see the future which is rlly important

[ripe sparrow]

yeahh

like???? where are you getting these clothes??

for reference

[urban zealot]

idk fr

[urban zealot]

what if paimon speaks in third person because she's trying to completely convince us that she's paimon, not someone else? “Paimon's hungry!” “Hey! Paimon's not emergency food!”

or what if she's completely someone else

and @ the beginning, u have the option to choose between lumine and aether. and obviously, if i chose lumine: aether would become the abyss sibling. if i chose aether: lumine would be the abyss sibling. what if that just means that both of them will become like that, no matter what? like a time loop

istaroth IS the god of time and space after all

idk i'm talking to my cousin abt this

[ripe sparrow]

i mean, our twin does claim that at the end of our journey we’ll learn the truth of this world and join them soooo

[urban zealot]

soooooooo