⭐┃nospoilers_general

[lime gull]

Apparently GSC heavily modified a version of UE5 and made it their B*tch.

[unkempt quarry]

The videos I found running the demo they didn't know the specs. So I assumed 4080/4090

[lime gull]

So I'm not so worried. Infact I'm least worried about GSC's games using UE5.

[unkempt quarry]

Hoping it'll be the best performing UE5 game to date 😅

[nimble cipher]

spartan_mozi has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[lime gull]

Probably a safe assumption. The steam page gives some decent expectations for PC

[loud gate]

Oh, so that word really is forbidden, lol.

[lime gull]

wth

[loud gate]

yea, well, you can say other stuff, like @hazy helm and I are sluts.

[unkempt quarry]

The steam page seems suspiciously low requirements for UE5. Like 30fps at best specs

[hazy helm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-and-feather-green-black-eat-lick-gif-16376373

[lime gull]

True. I just missed what you said so I'm now curious what the forbidden word is lol

[hazy helm]

say waht now

[unkempt quarry]

Hopefully they really did make the engine their b!tch

[loud gate]

best specs will run game just fine

[hazy helm]

@rocky shadow what is your boyfriend sayin

[loud gate]

Tlap is busy cooking.

[unkempt quarry]

Been waiting on this game for over 10 years 🥲

[lime gull]

this is great news for me bc I have basically the exact same specs as the 'recommended' ones on the steam page lol

[elder fiber]

based

[unkempt quarry]

I'll be sad if I can't run it well

[loud gate]

As long as you do not play on 4K that is

[lime gull]

I don't dream of it sadly

[worthy lagoon]

@hazy helm @pseudo rivet GO TO SLEEP

[lime gull]

I'd probably play it on lower settings just to make it run smoothly anyway lol

[loud gate]

You are more than fine with 3070Ti. Only real problem if you don't have SSD.. but it's 2024, just get one.

[unkempt quarry]

1440p for me but I fully expect dlss balanced to have playable frames. Im just hoping it'll be reaaallly playable

3070ti hasn't done well with other UE5 titles so far 😅

I haven't had an HDD in nearly a decade. Nvme or bust

[loud gate]

yea, so you're good, don't worry

[native ibex]

Wait is torture

[loud gate]

No

[tender parrot]

What does the S.T.A.L.K.E.R acronym even mean?

[pseudo rivet]

No

[native ibex]

It's terrible

[worthy lagoon]

||Deez Mama's Beads||

[loud gate]

Slut Tractor Alchool Lactose Kerosene Erdtree Rofl

[unkempt quarry]

Literally nothing. "Stalker" was copyrighted so they changed it

[tender parrot]

Oh…damn lol

[loud gate]

yeah, we hope we cleared the confusion

[grim flame]

what is gone gold? in trailer

[lime gull]

Noooooo, it means Stalker. Talker. Alker. Lalker. Kalker. Ealker. Ralker.

[tender parrot]

Meaning the game is printed and ready for release

[unkempt quarry]

Going gold means development is "complete"

[worthy lagoon]

Gone gold means that the game is finished and ready

[grim flame]

oh nice

[loud gate]

jokes aside, I believe that whole "Scavengers, etc." thing is semi-canon, it was on the merch store, I believe

[grim flame]

thanks you

[lime gull]

It ISSSS weird though. Like I never got why the C-con stamped 'S.T.A.LK.E.R' on Strelok's arm for any reason beyond tying the name of the game in to the main character somehow

[unkempt quarry]

Woah spoilers :p

[loud gate]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-knife-gif-19576998

[tender parrot]

[lime gull]

My brother in bloodsucker if you haven't figured out that when it's been 10 years then I'll be a chimera's auntie.

[loud gate]

Fun Fact - the comptuer part from the "Gone Gold" video is at the beginning of the game when you have to find Nehoda

[lime gull]

WHOAH ACTUAL SPLOILIERS.

[unkempt quarry]

I was kidding hence the ":p"
A lot of "stalker fans" haven't even played the damn games lol

[tender parrot]

Who tf hasn’t played atleast SOC?

[loud gate]

It's in the first 10-15 mins of the game lol

[lime gull]

ooggh, don't remind me... Every time I hear some game reviewer casually misexplain the game's elements I get cramps

[pseudo rivet]

Many people new to the franchise or console players

[unkempt quarry]

Literally hundreds of thousands of anomaly players

[lime gull]

Yeah no I figure xD I just have no idea who the hell Nehoda is

[loud gate]

a scientist

[pseudo rivet]

Although with LotZ, they don't have an excuse NOT to play it

[unkempt quarry]

I genuinely believe the fan base for stalker is a majority of people that have never touched the OG trilogy

[tender parrot]

Is it all of these YouTube operatordrewski kids who jump straight into gamma?

[lime gull]

Unfortunately we live in a world with billions and billions and billions of people and not even most of them know what Stalker is.

[pseudo rivet]

A fairly big amount, yeah

[loud gate]

I had a picture of Nehoda somewhere, but I can't find it.

eh.. I guess you'll see for yourself in 11 days.

[lime gull]

So what your saying is that there's no way to prove he's even real?

Haunting. I'll be dreaming of this Nehoda...

[loud gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/524231625039413249/1304605200358707220/image.png?ex=672fffc6&is=672eae46&hm=a45b1399d4209e2c07b555a08ad79efe6b5c712a1e4b549727d2808492416add&

He is real indeed

[lime gull]

Now I must Find Nehoda

[dim topaz]

Inb4 Nehoda pulls a Mankrik's wife

[loud gate]

Not that hard to find a body in an isolated area

[unkempt quarry]

If this game doesn't feature chicken legs in the intro I'm returning it

[lime gull]

Ooooohhh

Yeah I still have no clue who he is. I assume || a dead stalker in one of the trailers? idk LOL||

[thorny junco]

i hope to get the art book some time after release, deluxe physical is almost 250$ in my country so i got limited edition

[loud gate]

scientist

also he does not appear in the trailers

[lime gull]

Faust approaches Skif while he's naked on the ground. He slowly rips a huge chunk off a chicken leg that is glistening and steaming, just the most delicious looking piece of meat. Then he tosses it at you and knocks you out.

[lime gull]

Ahhh. Is he from the arg maybe?

[loud gate]

Nah, as I said, he's just a scientist you must meet at the intro

[lime gull]

ahh

[unkempt quarry]

Can't wait to pew pew with a vss modded to hell and back

[pseudo meteor]

I'm already looking forward to the mods. We know hideous are not coming base game

[untold salmon]

neeeeeed

[unkempt quarry]

I know I talked shit about the anamoly fake fans but GAMMA 2 is gonna slap so hard

At least we won't have to mod in better gun models this go around too 😅

[hardy bear]

Dunno who’s gonna make it though since they’ve outright said they don’t want to make another

[unkempt quarry]

I'm sure there will be a spiritual successor at minimum. The fan base is huge for gamma

[hardy bear]

Besides, gamma to me is just heavily extending the weapon progression by adding boat loads of rng, and just giving you radiant quests to give you something to do

[unkempt quarry]

The weapon progression is kinda what it's all about really

If stalker 2 can be set more difficult than the trilogy gamma might be somewhat redundant in a lot ways though

As long as the mod pack makers don't use power Shell for their launchers I'll be happy. I've swapped over to Linux so gamma updates are kind of a PITA

[hardy bear]

I reckon it will be due to its changes to spread

Can’t make every gun accurate and not buff up the enemies to compensate

[undone barn]

Do you think we need to have place SoC etc or will this be pretty independanty story?

[unkempt quarry]

Isn't it a direct sequel?

You still have plenty of time to rush the story in the trilogy

[undone barn]

true

[unkempt quarry]

The games aren't super big or very long

[hardy bear]

It’s set 10 years after the last game, and we already know that some characters are returning. Ultimately it’s going to try and appease those who haven’t played them but those who have. That’s the reason you play as someone new who’s just entered the zone, so new people can kind of learn at the same time. But anyone who wants to actually understand what’s going on definitely should

[native ibex]

And we're arriving after receiving a letter from our dead wife

[untold salmon]

Stalker 2: Find your wife edition

[native ibex]

Still on the 'Find Your Dad' DLC

[plucky cradle]

quick question if i preorder stalker 2 before the veterans rifle and that do i still get it?

[untold salmon]

yes

its always been a reward its just only now been revealed what it was

[native ibex]

It'll all be there.
I hope the exoskeletons have some attention to detail.

[valid pagoda]

So. is 8gb of video memory still sufficient for stalker 2? Has any mention of this happened (still currently for recommended)

[normal ocean]

Watch video on STALKER Switch, tells PC players to "play Anomaly as it combines all 3 games"

[plucky cradle]

oh thanks

[untold salmon]

should be?

[native ibex]

I have my doubts

[normal ocean]

Why do morons keep saying that

[untold salmon]

the recommend is a 2070 super right? thats an 8gb card

[native ibex]

But if it is... hey, don't burn the house down

[hardy bear]

Biggest lie ever

[cyan canopy]

Anomaly arent stalker at all.

[native ibex]

Heh

[normal ocean]

I swear people who say that have never actually played either the original games or anomaly

[native ibex]

Anomaly, yes

[cyan canopy]

People only care about graphics this day

[hardy bear]

Probably heard it somewhere and just repeat it

[native ibex]

Looking forward to Stalker 2: Anomaly

[normal ocean]

I am curious if we're going to have a big mess when S2 drops and at best it has a few features inspired by anomaly

[native ibex]

I don't think so

It has great quality, people will be pleased

[hardy bear]

The way it’s looked so far seems to appease both

[normal ocean]

I literally had to tell someone in another server that one of the mod packs is actually pretty different as it put them off stalker with the changes, forget which one.

[native ibex]

Want play...

[untold salmon]

goonlarp tacticummers will have an issue no doubt but their opinions are invalid

[hardy bear]

I’m still curious about how it’s going to handle general progression given the open world nature, as it’s a completely different beast

[native ibex]

Damn, that's a lot of lingo

[untold salmon]

i dont think open world should mess with the progression that much at all

[native ibex]

The enemies have levels

[untold salmon]

[cyan canopy]

I hope no one compare it with Slop Of The Zone movies

[native ibex]

Yo, I want a chimera on a leash

[cyan canopy]

That shit movie aint even stalker

[celest blaze]

Gross

[normal ocean]

The what?

[untold salmon]

havent watched it yet, all ive heard so far is that people just wanted to larp as mercs with tripped out ars

[celest blaze]

Anomaly isn't stalker imo

[native ibex]

As if it hurt you

[normal ocean]

I mean isn't STALKER open world already?

[native ibex]

Vanilla purists are aggressive

[cyan canopy]

Shadow Of The Zone,so called STALKER movies but only people fighting people there.

[native ibex]

We are but innocent mod fans

[celest blaze]

Anomaly and gamma players are not much better from what I've seen

[hardy bear]

The main reason being how accessible certain items may be from the get go. Of course in a linear open world setting you face challenge after challenge that steadily raises your gear standard, but if it’s open world you would have to power gate locations off with tough enemies definetly, but what if you just find one guy out in the wilderness who happens to have a gun that ups your level without any real challenge

[normal ocean]

I mean to be fair for an indie project, probably easier to have human vs human than trying to do effects for mutants

[native ibex]

I just want to have fun

[normal ocean]

I mean plenty of open world games gate you, that's how STALKER and GTA does it.

[celest blaze]

Fair

[untold salmon]

well isnt that something that weapon degredation fixes

[native ibex]

I'm excited for Red Forest 2

[normal ocean]

in GTA 3 you can't get an RPG until pretty late as the first Island doesn't have one and can only be bought super late on the second island

[untold salmon]

presumably the BEST rifles would have a higher repair cost that would be harder to afford

[normal ocean]

I'm hoping for Limansk to be expanded if it's in the game

I still find it weird they swapped the great swamps around.

[dim topaz]

Definitely enough

[celest blaze]

Same I liked limansk alot

[native ibex]

Urban warfare

[normal ocean]

I doubt they'd do it but it'd be cool to see Limansk turned into a sort of second bar or base for one faction

[wooden imp]

guys

[celest blaze]

Limansk in cotz goes hard

[wooden imp]

who is ready to see the results

[hardy bear]

I suppose so

[normal ocean]

Some group taking advantage of the fact it's basically a giant town that's not heavily damaged

[native ibex]

Devs, we're going to need some Freedom Femboys

[normal ocean]

(Compared to the rest of the Zone)

Either as a sort of neutral zone like Bar or one faction outright using it as a base

[celest blaze]

And mono

[celest blaze]

Me

[wooden imp]

alr guys top yes was the results
congrats

[normal ocean]

At least to me Limansk seems like it'd be a desirable location as you basically have a full town

Also would help make up for how it was sadly underused in CS

(I mean as a "full" location, Limansk in CS Is basically just a shooting gallery)

[high kernel]

@signal cedar Accidentally suggested pretty much the exact same thing you did #📜┃s2_suggestions message lmao

[cyan canopy]

Homolith :3

[native ibex]

Duty has good suit

[lime gull]

You don't need to play the games to know the plot of S2, but it wouldn't hurt to play them to familiarize yourself with the setting, the characters & the enemies. The game will feature a lot of callbacks.

[lime gull]

I'm really, really hoping that they turn Limansk & dead city into a big location for one of the story expansions.

[native ibex]

Hopefully I can one day experience a Metro mmo. That could be fun.

[sly moat]

I really hope Amazon (Italy) doesn't cancel my preorder, it says that all editions minus the one with the backpack are all available

[normal ocean]

Yeah I really want to see what happens, Limansk (and Dead City if revived since it's still on the map screen) seem like hot spots

[high fable]

i played all the base games and then played anomaly after that, i wouldnt say anyone should gatekeep stalker as a whole just because someone prefers anomaly over the base games

[sly moat]

I'm actually surprised there's any still available beyond the standard edition tbh

[normal ocean]

I mean doing dumb stuff like recommending it instead of the base game

and the example I listed was a dumb youtube video where it's clear they hadn't played Anomaly since they said it combined all 3 games and was better than the switch port for PC players

[high fable]

oh fair enough, but if anomaly brings people into the community then i dont see anything wrong with people prefering it

[sly moat]

I think the issue is that they'll expect 2 to feel like anomaly?

[high fable]

i mean hopefully not

[sly moat]

Or it will create a mental bias

[high fable]

anomaly is more a "garrys mod meets stalker" if that makes sense, game based on another game that is meant for modding and sandboxy-ness

[sly moat]

Anyway just out of curiosity usually how long does it take Amazon to ship a pre-order for a game? Mine still says "ordered "

[dense hatch]

as a great man once said, "slop"

[high fable]

i wouldnt say slop, i enjoyed anomaly, sort of just treated it as "run around and shoot [insert faction] and maybe explore some cut content"

its litteraly just stalker but with the story removed

[dense hatch]

play COTZ

[patent mortar]

I like Anomaly because of its replayability.

The stories are nice.

Living Legend, Mortal Sin, and Operation Afterglow.

[lime gull]

The irony is that I don't think it S2 isn't going to appeal to Gamma/Anomaly fans.

[patent mortar]

And yes, I know they're just fan fictions placed after CoP.

[patent mortar]

I'm an Anomaly fan. I'm just not that dumb.

[snow olive]

i think you are wrong only because its unreal which will allow those mods to transition super easy

[lime gull]

It has a lot of what Anomaly/Gamma offers... In terms of graphical improvements, improved gunplay & new areas and quests to explore.

[lime gull]

I'm not talking about that.

[patent mortar]

I know the original trilogy has always been simple and casual.

[snow olive]

itss in direct relation to your statement though.

[nimble cipher]

cryzone1 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sly moat]

Uh oh

[raw pike]

Anomaly also features a lot of complex survival and maintenance functions that won't be in Stalker 2

[lime gull]

No it isn't. I never said the mods would or wouldn't transition to S2.

[patent mortar]

Anomaly while not as realistic as Gamma, its still has in-depth mechanics. Gamma is just realistic.

[high fable]

i hope i can fix my pc before S2 Release, Intel Cpu [///////] causing unreal games to crash

[lime gull]

It has an overcomplicated medical system that boils down to 'use stimpacks and anti rad/anti psi meds' which is the same as the default game, and an unnecessarily complicated and pseudo-realistic weapon maintenance function that'll be replaced by a more simplified but similar weapon repair system & modification system.

[raw pike]

No mod pack with leg meta as a function should be described as "realistic" imo but yeah Gamma is more immersive ig

[lime gull]

And actually, the weapon modification system in S2 is similar to Anomaly/Gamma's but strictly superior.

[celest blaze]

idk if id ever call gamma realistic

[high fable]

i tried gamma and nuh uh the armour system is horrid (though it has some nice stuff going on)

[snow olive]

ok nevermind. this isnt going to go anywhere.

[patent mortar]

To a certain extent I guess.

[raw pike]

From what we saw in that last trailer it looks really similar to how Stalker ShoC-CoP worked

[lime gull]

Certainly not with your reading comprehension.

[celest blaze]

guns and armor degrade way to quickly for example

[lime gull]

It is, although the modifications enable you to attach additions to your weapon.

[raw pike]

You realize that's how it worked in ShoC-CoP too right?

[lime gull]

and it's overall superior to how it worked in Shoc-COP.

[snow olive]

or you debating irrelevant material that only exists inside your mind due to the nature of the fact that all 3 games will exist in the same ecosystem.

[lime gull]

Yes, the version in Gamma/Anomaly is the same too but it's a little more elaborate just bc of the amount of guns & the overcomplicated crafting system.

[dense hatch]

not particularly, beyond carrying the stalker name the mods really don't play similarly nor have the same level of uniqueness in terms of content

[snow olive]

rofl

[dense hatch]

all they have is gameplay that is also subjective in terms of people enjoying it

[raw pike]

Nah the toolbench is completely different in Anomaly and allows you to pull materials off of scrap guns to make your own upgrades. In Stalker 1 and seemingly in 2 its only available through gun smiths

[dense hatch]

that is not how it works

[raw pike]

also weapon maintenance being a per-part thing with complete field stripping is a mod thing, not a Stalker 1 trilogy thing

[sly moat]

I mean somewhat? In both of them you could slap a nade launcher for the most part wasn't it? I don't think there was ever an additional gun mode attached to a sniper rifle

[dense hatch]

you can repair weapons by stripping parts but you don't get weapon upgrades by scrapping weapons

you get them by smashing repair items together

[raw pike]

It was under barrel, scope, silencer, and then some guns had a laser as an upgrade but it wasn't an attachment just a gunsmith upgrade

[raw pike]

A lot of the weapon upgrade recipes require barrels and other gun parts, not just repair stuff

[patent mortar]

Hope I can run again with Exos.

[lime gull]

How can I put this... It's like Shoc/COP but mixed with parts of Gamma/Anomaly that those players would like, but that isn't a wholesale 'lift' of features from those mods. It's not introducing gamma/anomaly mechanics but I don't believe S2 has to in order to appeal to fans of those mods.

[raw pike]

I mean looking at the S2 trailers we've got it looks like its literally just an expansion of Stalker trilogy mechanics where its an upgrade tree available at gunsmiths and then you can attach things to the outside of guns

[sly moat]

I remember reading they had worked with a few of the Devs of mods for the series for some aspects

[dense hatch]

that is entirely different from getting upgrades by scrapping weapons

[lime gull]

BC as far as I've seen. Yes, you need a mechanic to install certain weapon mods. But the majority of them can be freely installed/uninstalled on the fly and allows for greater expansion of mods.

[raw pike]

FWIW I don't think Stalker 2 needs to appeal to Anomaly fans nor should it. Those mod packs are waaaaay to overcomplicated

Half the reason to play those mod packs is just for the overly complex gun maintenance mechanics anyways

but its not important for Stalker to be Stalker and be a good game

[dense hatch]

the upgrade system is pretty much the same in both beyond the ability to add them yourself, which is attached to the crafting mechanics

[high fable]

hey aslong as i get to enjoy my favorite game again, im excited :)

[sly moat]

Also some mod packs try very hard to turn Stalker into Tarkov, as the mega iceberg video guy put it

[snow olive]

there would be no tarkov without stalker

[raw pike]

having the option to upgrade weapons yourself without needing a gunsmith via the crafting system is a massive change to vanilla Stalker

[lime gull]

At least in my experience, the upgrade trees from Gamma are essentially the same as the Soc/cs/COP, but they require upgrade kits from the Gamma/Anomaly crafting system. But I believe the S2 system is superior because it retains the simplicty of go to see a mechanic to install upgrades to your gun. But also retains some of Gamma/Anomaly's fun, bc instead of the upgrades being purely mechanical, you can actually install various sites/attachments that you have to go out and scavenge/find.

[celest blaze]

highly debatable

[dense hatch]

in that it's usually more expensive, sure

[snow olive]

only for people who dont know

[raw pike]

I'm not making judgements about which one is better or worse I'm just pointing out that there are huge differences between them

[dense hatch]

except for armor upgrades it's usually cheaper to just upgrade them normally

[celest blaze]

id argue other games gave birth to tarkov

[lime gull]

*Keep in mind. Never once in my playthrough of Gamma did I ever once craft on the go. It never made any sense to me bc of the weight of the materials you'd have to haul everywhere.

[wise geyser]

Stalker 2 boutta hit different man

[dense hatch]

it's also not really noticeable besides armor upgrades

[lime gull]

I agree that there is.

I just think that S2 should still appeal to people who have only ever played gamma/anomaly lol

[celest blaze]

no

[lime gull]

Bc the main reason people play those isn't necessarily just the different mechanics.

[dense hatch]

it's neat but I didn't use it much beyond equipment upgrades, which is where it often came in handy

[raw pike]

I don't really care about what only Gamma/Anomaly players want because that's such a silly niche to me

[celest blaze]

stalker 2 should appeal to actual stalker fans not slop fans

[dense hatch]

mostly because to get actually good detectors you need to craft them or spend 5000 years in yantar

[snow olive]

you would argue to argue. there would be no stalker without quake

[lime gull]

I think so too, but it's actually a lot wider than you'd think.

A lot of people play Gamma/Anomaly just for the graphical improvements

[sly moat]

Kinda hard since those mods provide an absurd amount of difficulty customisation and everything else

[lime gull]

Gamma at least is also pretty easy to install bc of the launcher.

[raw pike]

Anomaly is the only version I play NOW but that's only because I've spent hundreds of hours on vanilla, Complete, 200#, etc. etc. Vanilla+ mod packs so I know how vanilla plays

I can't imagine wanting to just completely skip the actual base STalker game

[lime gull]

You forget, that Gamma and Anomaly are both modifications for Stalker. A game it tries very hard to emulate, time consuming crafting mechanics or no.

[raw pike]

I mean Anomaly doesn't even have the campaign or any story from base in it

[lime gull]

It straight up has the plot of SOC lifted from the game, wth are you talking about lol

[sly moat]

Usually it happens because they're recommended to start with those

[celest blaze]

hardly

[lime gull]

I know it's recontextualized and garbo bc of the new maps and stuff but it's still there.

[raw pike]

I mean this in the most offensive way possible, that's the stupidest effing thing I've ever heard. Anomaly just for graphics is dumb as hell

[lime gull]

If you want SOC's story just play SOC lol, Gamma/Anomaly isn't made for that.

[raw pike]

There are fantastic mod packs that are Vanilla+ and largely just graphics enhancements while still being Stalker

[lime gull]

People have, and get this, done stupider things.

[celest blaze]

most anomaly players only play anomaly because they cant buy the games

[sly moat]

Wh-how?!?!

[valid pagoda]

You guys think Nvidia will release game ready drivers for stalker 2?

[raw pike]

Yeah I know, I'm American. I'm just sayin I don't think GSC should be concerned with that niche of people

[lime gull]

I don't think they are

[raw pike]

they don't want to play Stalker, clearly, they want to play Anomaly

[lime gull]

I think they know stalker gamma/anomaly players will want to play more stalker, even if it's not ubermodded gamma

[sly moat]

Isn't there a graphic card being made to sponsor the game?

[loud gate]

Clear Sky looks better than Anomaly lol

[dense hatch]

this also feels like a manufactured sort of mutual distaste

[lime gull]

wth? They look the same to me.

[dense hatch]

[lime gull]

They literally just lifted the same maps and put them into the same messy mesh of maps

from soc and cop

[celest blaze]

peak sky mentioned

[lime gull]

Also honestly the graphics of gamma/anomaly are going to be why people want to play s2... those games have not aged gracefully despite all the modding done to make them look passable in 2024

[raw pike]

None of the vanilla games look better than Anomaly, that's madness. They all look dated as hell

[dense hatch]

every single level reworked btw

[lime gull]

In anomaly/gamma? I know S2 has that.

Definitely didn't feel like it playing through the BS and MM again lol

[raw pike]

idk we're even talking about graphics and Anomaly as if Anomaly is primarily a graphics mod

[dense hatch]

that's just on the anomaly moddb page that's always bothered me

[celest blaze]

anomaly looks dated af

[raw pike]

They're working with what they got lol

[halcyon jungle]

stalker 2 on gamepass ... will they get the extra stuff coming out later or you will need to buy it to have access of DLC ?

[dense hatch]

it isn't

[hardy bear]

I’m glad I’m one of those people who can look past potentially dated fidelity and focus on the actual composition of its artistic design over just how high resolution textures are

[lime gull]

You can't polish a turd

[raw pike]

Game Pass always only includes the base game and no DLC

[celest blaze]

yet you didnt have that energy for the trilogy

[dense hatch]

they added some trees and that's pretty much it

[lime gull]

So proud of you. You will grow wings and fly to heaven soon.

[raw pike]

I don't know what you mean by this. I didn't have that energy for the trilogy?

[dense hatch]

people like the visuals of the trilogy because they're both unique and honestly not that bad besides CoP

[halcyon jungle]

and there is dlc planned right ? so if i like the game i should buy it later on if it gets a rebate when DLC comes out

[dense hatch]

SoC came out a year before fallout 3

[celest blaze]

GSC worked with what they had at the time but you shat on GSC but gave anomaly devs a pass "they are working with what they got "

[dense hatch]

what

[raw pike]

I didn't shit on GSC. The games are old as hell. Yeah they looked fantastic for their time but they're dated as hell now because GSC died and stopped supporting them.

Anomaly is a recent project. THe Stalker trilogy is old as hell. That's the difference

[celest blaze]

they still do look good imo

[halcyon jungle]

i played the old ones on the console because i dont have a pc and even on pc they look like shiet tbh

[celest blaze]

skill issue

[hardy bear]

I do feel bad sometimes for the folks who just won’t play a game if it doesn’t look ultra modern

[lime gull]

There's two story expansions planned & included with Ultimate Edition.

[sly moat]

The character models do show their age tbh

[celest blaze]

fr

[lime gull]

I would assume more information about the DLCs will be provided post-launch.

[halcyon jungle]

yeah thats what ill do ... play the base game on gamepass and wait for dlc

[celest blaze]

new age gamers only care about looks @hardy bear

[dense hatch]

the models do but everything else is fine at most and surprisingly good at best

[dense hatch]

what is with you

[celest blaze]

?

[dense hatch]

there are plenty of popular new games that don't go just for visual realism

[celest blaze]

oh i meant gamers

[dense hatch]

go look at the steam frontpage for like 5 minutes

[wraith socket]

Anomaly and Gamma are built on the hard work of other Modders who created a base platform that they used. They are not something new and fantastic but merely the newest Mod that is popular at the moment.

[nimble cipher]

bureau1980 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dense hatch]

STILL, the fact people are playing them shows that people still play them, new and old

there are games like rimworld that are visually simplistic yet are still very popular

or TBOI

[lime gull]

cough Minecraft

[halcyon jungle]

the new stalker will eclipse the old one ... just like monster hunter world did with old itiration ... QoL improvement made it impossible to play older MH game ... just like STALKER 2 will do for STALKER

[sly moat]

People obsessed over graphics above all barely qualify as "gamers"

Just as the people actually believing Sony that the PS5 Pro is actually a super upgrade to the PS5 barely count as them

[lime gull]

cough cough among sus

[raw pike]

I never said anything about the Anomaly team doing all the work themselves. I just said its a recent project. As in it was put together recently. The age of the underlying work is irrelevant here

[dense hatch]

I doubt it

[celest blaze]

PS5 Pro is such a scam its 1000ish dollars in canada and STILL does NOT come with a disk drive

[dense hatch]

the trilogy is pretty unique, and there's a reason they're calling it stalker 2 and not stalker HoC

[halcyon jungle]

people play the olde ones because of nostalgia ... now you will have nostalgia click in the new one and better graphis ... mods will come anyway

[celest blaze]

old ones are still great fun

[lime gull]

I would expect this to be true in every universe except for the one where S2 turns out to be a huge dissapointment on release. *NOT THAT I AM EXPECTING THAT! I just think it COULD be a nightmare scenario under 5% chance.

[sly moat]

I wouldn't say that

[hardy bear]

The funniest thing though is seeing people post videos of older games with a ‘raytracing reshade’ which just ramps up bloom, saturation and SSR to the max

[lime gull]

Genuinely, a new game that is good SHOULD overshadow the old ones.

[sly moat]

You'll have the same fans that love playing all games, just like MH fans before and after World

[halcyon jungle]

old ones are still great fun just like mario bros on nes is fun but i wont play it because ive been there and done that ... we get better version of older games with new engines ... old games are historical point ... no need to go back and re re re re re re play them

[dense hatch]

CoP is worse than both SoC and CS

[sly moat]

Is it?

[lime gull]

If I'm playing Half life 3 in 2026 and go, "Man, this SUCKS compared to Half Life..." then SOMETHING WRONG happened.

[celest blaze]

this honestly sounds wack lol

[dense hatch]

so I've lost all faith in games consistently being better than the previous titles

[sly moat]

I thought it was enjoyable

[dense hatch]

it's not a bad game it's just the worst stalker game

[lime gull]

Sure, but most fans are going to move on to the newest title, unless it's infamously bad.

[halcyon jungle]

exactly this

[keen glen]

bro what

[sly moat]

That's

A take

[raw pike]

I think the issue with Stalker 2 attempting to overshadow the originals is the modding scene just never stopped. What the vast majority of people getting into Stalker now are playing is the results of almost 20 years of collaborative mod work

[keen glen]

CoP is the best 😭

[fluid abyss]

bro is goin crazy with the takes

[celest blaze]

no its not lol

[halcyon jungle]

it will do the same and even better with stalker 2 because the base game is way superior of the oldest title to work upon it

[keen glen]

isnt STALKER 2 getting a built in mod loader for console and PC? lwk excited to see a remake of the popular ones like Anomaly and GAMMA

[celest blaze]

Clear Sky is the best. CoP is just Ukrainian airforce taking an L and we have to figure out why

[dense hatch]

worse gameplay, story, voice acting, maps, music, main quest in general, uniques being distributed in an extremely lazy way, the only good part being sidequest and the way emissions work

[indigo marsh]

Trve

[dense hatch]

2 escort quests IN THE MAIN QUESTLINE

a "reveal" that's apparently basic stalker knowledge

[lime gull]

That may be true, but it wasn't entirely cohesive and the mods don't shine much of a light when compared to the very real S2 footage we've seen already. That would hold up if I had a hard time telling the difference between Gamma and S2, but that's just not the truth.

[bronze falcon]

all 3 stalker games good on their own. and they are good in their own unique things

[celest blaze]

CoPs mainquest is so bad lol i was like is this it ?

[keen glen]

i agree, but you dont have to play the story?

[celest blaze]

ive done all the quests and content if i wanted to skip story id play different fps

[dense hatch]

compared to the other 2 which have both great stories and side content it's a disappointment

[indigo marsh]

I don't think anomaly or gamma 2 will come. If they do it will probably be in a while.

[dense hatch]

stalker needs that main quest to keep momentum

[lime gull]

It's so funny, I swear we had this exact conversation like 6 hours ago.

[dense hatch]

we did because I will die on this hill

[celest blaze]

grok also said he isnt even interested in doing gamma 2

[wraith socket]

It probably is.

[lime gull]

Valid

[dense hatch]

this is my jet is pre-war of the stalker community

[lime gull]

based

[celest blaze]

i will die on the clear sky is the best hill

[raw pike]

Anomaly and GAMMA are mod packs containing new stuff on top of ancient stuff made by retired modders and a lot of underlying engine work. I don't think we're going to see "Anomaly 2"

[pearl jacinth]

replace "retired" with "deceased"

[raw pike]

I'm hoping we get a huge mod scene, but its a little up in the air considering how much has changed

like a lot of things that todays Stalker mods do are only possible because the engine is open-source

[indigo marsh]

If anything we might see a spiritual successor to Xianis freeplay or like Dooms mod merge for Freeplay first

[sly moat]

A mod scene should happen regardless thanks to the modding tools they're giving us

[lime gull]

Shockingly, mods take time to develop. The game will just be coming out this year. To that end, sure. It will take time for people to mod for Stalker 2. I wouldn't expect stalker 2 anomaly 2 or gamma 2 anytime soon. Those modpacks exist SPECIFICALLY because the OG trilogy is ancient.

[celest blaze]

i wish we can get a COTZ 2 but idk if anyone can live up to doctorX legacy RIP

[keen glen]

i could see an Anomaly 2 after years and years of modding comes out

[lime gull]

This.

[pearl jacinth]

note: also uses an engine that doesn't require a registered online account

[indigo marsh]

Add-ons will probably be the first thing that will come out

[raw pike]

I don't think its really safe to assume the depth of mod tools we'll be given, a lot of devs have promised dev tools and then delivered the bare minimum like KCD and Witcher

[keen glen]

oh fs

will mods be on console aswell with a built in menu

[sly moat]

Fair

[thin shuttle]

would you say the same about original anomaly maybe we get anomalyus

[lime gull]

And you think S2 will? Where did you get that information, considering S2 is being developed on it's own branch of the engine & will have specially designed modding tools.

[pearl jacinth]

stalker 2 is built on unreal engine, which requires an epic games account to download and use.

[sly moat]

Likely, maybe with more liberty unlike the og trilogy only allowing visual mods

[round python]

Does anyone know if the Game-Legends pre order has a digital code going out? Or is it a physical code in the box. I bought the Ultimate edition ages back

[thin shuttle]

whait, space marine 2 too and is not need it

[raw pike]

There's also a lot of scripts and parameters just openly editable in plain text, which is not the case with UE5 lol

[snow olive]

supposedly there will even be mods on the consoles

[pearl jacinth]

playing the games built on unreal doesn't require it. it's using the engine itself

[raw pike]

UE5s tools are accessible in the sense that anyone can go download them from Epic, but they're a lot less accessible in the sense that anyone can easily make use of them

[lime gull]

Valid, so we'll probably get a lot fewer mods.

[fluid abyss]

good question, so did I

[keen glen]

dang, i can see why though, the game doesnt really look like you can add anything into it with mods except like, maybe new enemys or differnt guns from SoC

[indigo marsh]

#📜┃gsc-answers message

[keen glen]

visual mods is weird, the game looks really good visually

[lime gull]

Honestly maybe that'll be good, considering all the people constantly whining about how overly complicated and unnecessary most of Anomaly and Gamma's mods are... 🤣

[thin shuttle]

they say about releasing the game with the modding tools in a recently interview if i'm not wrong

[lime gull]

The modding tools won't be out on release.

[keen glen]

anomaly was easy, GAMMA was a shit show...

[wise blaze]

i mean, i certainly plan on attempting to bring gun models over. tac50 from breakpoint will be my first attempt. but i dont know enough about if it will be easy, hard or impossible to bring non UE5 assets into UE5

[sly moat]

Like I said, it depends on the Freedom of said mods

[raw pike]

There are plenty of mod packs out there that are not as complicated. I wish they got nearly as much attention

[pearl jacinth]

people are calling anomaly complicated??? clearly they haven't played a real immersive sim...

[raw pike]

like all the ones that don't make it into a completely different game for starters

[lime gull]

Yeah, of course. You think people who play Anomaly have even heard of Arma 3?

[snow olive]

ue5 is much more streamlined than any engine in terms of ease of use especially with blueprints forgoing heavy scripting at a base level and being able to design models once

[indigo marsh]

I think Stalker 2's modding scene will be too different to have an anomaly 2

[thin shuttle]

i think i saw an interview of Yevhenii Kulyk and he say something about that

[raw pike]

like what? Anomaly has elements that are far more complicated and poorly explained than anything in Deus Ex or System Shock. What's a "real" immersive sim to you?

[wise blaze]

yall, i am too lazy to try to go read.
i bought ult physical edition.
does my code come in the box, or emailed to me closer to release?

[snow olive]

this is of course true, msft isnt going to allow you to just design anything on console.

[pearl jacinth]

i don't remember being confused by anything.... maybe i'm just used to stuff.

[dense hatch]

what about anomaly is confusing

[raw pike]

It's still a world of difference between learning an actual game engine and just poking around in text files which could achieve a whole lot in the X-ray games

[celest blaze]

good time to become not lazy

[sly moat]

Depends, with Starfield they allowed pretty wild stuff (yes I know Bethesda). The issue is Sony

[celest blaze]

fr sony sucks in terms of console modding

[pearl jacinth]

paid mods

YEEAOAOOAOAOOAOUUUURCH!!!!!!

[celest blaze]

xbox modding allows external assets and much more sony doesnt at all

[snow olive]

of course but xray didnt give you tools to just automate npc creation either. so the scope of mods is going to be much more vast now

[wise blaze]

nope. too lazy to become not lazy. thus to also then need to become not lazy to read, that exponentially increases the things id need to not be lazy about

[pearl jacinth]

xray engine vr when?

[indigo marsh]

Maybe a Freeplay with hardcore elements and item bloat like call of misery.

[thin shuttle]

paid mods is not something that bethesda creates

[sly moat]

I mean we could look at Space Engineers then which allows "mods" but not scripts

[celest blaze]

you'll never know now

[raw pike]

Oh snap you just made me realize STALKER 2 being UE means it will work out of the box with UEVR

[pearl jacinth]

game of the century

[woven patio]

just found out backpavks will be in stalker 2 like anomaky and theres gonna be a difficulty slider!!

[raw pike]

It being an FPS should make it pretty easy to set up too, they're really straightforward

[lime gull]

I believe I saw the same video, in which he mentions that they'll be a post-release thing, along with multiplayer & the 2 story expansions. I think in the same video he even mentions a roadmap coming post-launch?

[wise blaze]

will if i never get an email

[raw pike]

its the third person games that get weird with UEVR

[sly moat]

I remember reading that you'll also be able to customise some aspects of said difficulty iirc

[pearl jacinth]

just found out that there's gonna be leaning around corners. LITERALLY realisming rn.

[thin shuttle]

probably, he mentioned gamma and anomaly as some kind of inspiration so if he said that on the video probably is the same interview

[ripe birch]

Holy shit

[woven patio]

awesome!

[raw pike]

Don't get too excited, performance is still up in the air

[lime gull]

Yes, he did also mention that they wanted to make mods like anomaly and gamma possible w/ S2. Which is why they are spending so much time developing the modding tool kit.

[ripe birch]

True.

[pearl jacinth]

hit me up when they add full body tracking support. i want to punt the corpse of a bandit.

[thin shuttle]

i wonder if skif body is well animated, would be nice to have a decent third person camera mod

[raw pike]

If game has dicey performance it'll be actual torture to play in VR lol

[lime gull]

I'm not so sure. There's a detailed shadow of him in the newest trailer but it doesn't seem to accurately portray the way he's holding his vss.

[snow olive]

ue5 perf is almost a universal thing due to the nature of tris being virtualized. sadly

[pearl jacinth]

nah, i'd win.

[lime gull]

It could be that the lighting is not great

[raw pike]

There are universal issues like traversal stutter and such but general performance changes a lot between games

[lime gull]

Hopefully the extra months of polish are going to help that

[raw pike]

You can deal with traversal stutter in VR but if the game is just really demanding and you're only getting 45FPS in flat, you're not going to be able to enjoy that in VR

[thin shuttle]

i can see the body wich is a good signal, you can see arms torso and legs on first person, if body model is well animated(like using the same animations than npc) third person camera could be nice, something like modern warfare

[ripe birch]

Bet 10 bucks that at launch it gets mixed or mostly positive reviews due to performance or bugs

[sly moat]

If the latest tests are anything to go by performance should be pretty good

Unless GSC pulls a Ubisoft

[snow olive]

depending on variant computational systems overlayed and l/gvar usage yes

[lime gull]

idk. I was about to say I'd bet it'll get mixed/positive reviews regardless but honestly, I just don't know. What the game drops and it's just everything we've always wanted? What if it's...

[snow olive]

thats really the only thing i dislike about blueprints is it allows to many devs to overload the memory footprint unknowingly much more easily

[pearl jacinth]

"sorry guys, we accidentally deleted the game. new launch year is 2035."

[thin shuttle]

mmm i think i saw some fps drops on the last barrels trailer but not to much, but if the trailer was made on a high pc, then i'm afraid we will suffer

[sly moat]

Nah, not that, I meant SW Outlaws and the first Watchdogs

[woven patio]

im itching for the 20th

[sly moat]

Same

[lime gull]

Like, the gameplay is all pre-rendered or something to make it look way nicer?

[snow olive]

sadly fps drops in videos isnt always the engine and can be codecs and compression/conversions. so it might be the game or it might be how theyr ecorded/edited the game

[lime gull]

I can't wait to play this game

[sly moat]

Yes, "graphical downgrade" and all that jazz

[lime gull]

People have been beating that drum since the second trailer lol

[raw pike]

Ubisoft has been outright caught multiple times using special builds of games just for demo purposes that don't properly represent the live product. Things like graphics effects being present that don't exist in the live product and so on

[snow olive]

we need someone to invent a new demo scene that reads frames from the gpu and renders .demo videos you can edit

[dense hatch]

they made it less gray and dull so that's bad apparently

[raw pike]

on top of just general horrendous bugginess

[pearl jacinth]

what is even the point of doing that

[lime gull]

It makes sense, big movie studios often include scenes that aren't in the final cut of the movie in trailers.

[fluid abyss]

to make a game look better than it is

[sly moat]

Making people buy your games based on smoke and mirrors

[pearl jacinth]

wasted money making something that doesnt exist

[raw pike]

🤷‍♂️ make more sales out of it than you get refunds

[pearl jacinth]

business 100

[snow olive]

are we talking 'special builds' or industry standard practices of vertical slices?

[lime gull]

Honestly they are probably banking on people not having top of the line systems to run the game, so they can't even tell that they were sold a lie graphically.

[sly moat]

Watchdogs and early SW Outlaws gameplay videos

[fluid abyss]

watchdogs e3 vs retail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7OxwFSfh8

[raw pike]

Like I said, the most common is using graphics effects that are disabled for the live product because they don't work at full scale and were only used in the demo

[sly moat]

The game is meant to go at 60 frames on the Series S, I think we're good

[snow olive]

verticle slices are designed to allow you to control all aspects of a presentation so u dont have to many oh shi windows blue screened moments

[raw pike]

so actual special builds not just "vertical slice" bs

[lime gull]

I wasn't talking about S2, I was talking about your average Oobisoft game.

[sly moat]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[snow olive]

verticle slices are not bs, but ok.

[lime gull]

I do think that anyone who has the reccomended specs should be okay though.

[raw pike]

Vertical slices are absolutely bs when they represent a level of stability that isn't representative of the live product

[pearl jacinth]

le nintendo museum has arrived

unplug controller
windows 10 disconnection sounds

[snow olive]

bro verticvle slices are used in every major dev studio during the design process

[raw pike]

like Cyberpunk, great example. You can get the game to look like the vertical slice graphically, but it won't play like it

Just because everyone does it doesn't make it ok

[wise geyser]

I KNEW IT LMAO

[snow olive]

its not for you its for testing

[fluid abyss]

vertical slices can be used to mislead, and unless you make it very clear that that's all you have, I think it's bad business practice

[wise geyser]

Mozi must have a review copy lmao

[raw pike]

When they're using it on the showfloor to market their game, yeah its for us

[sly moat]

Who?

[lime gull]

So jealous

[wise geyser]

Ong

[wise geyser]

The goat spartan mozi

[sly moat]

Ah!

[snow olive]

verticle slices are used for show floor because the game is still almost always bein g developed while said conventions and showcases are happening

[lime gull]

I should've spent the last 10 years making Stalker yt videos...

[wise geyser]

I was too young lmao

[snow olive]

this is why i dont like talking to normies

[lime gull]

I'd be playing the game right now...

[fluid abyss]

it's also used in demos and promo materials sometimes to mislead people, look at something like The Day Before

[raw pike]

There's nothing wrong with verticle slices as a concept, obviously it makes sense and is necessary to have some kind of functional gameplay to show early on. My issue is just when the live product is nothing like said vertical slice

idk what you're not getting about this killahsin, its not a deep take

[dense hatch]

please explain how it isn't misleading

[lime gull]

All this arguing and all I want to know is... Where is Za MONOLITHA

[snow olive]

u will have 6 versions of a game being designed at the same time in verticle slices and the build master pulls from each

[raw pike]

It's really not that deep, broseph. If its misleading then its bad. If it isn't misleading then its fine. Showing misleading representations of products is bad.

[snow olive]

the day before was made by children not people who even understand what a verticle stack is

[dense hatch]

so you're saying it's not bad because they're showing 1/6th of a good game and saying all the game is like that 1/6th

[raw pike]

vertical slices themselves are not the issue. Making misleading representations of your product is the issue

[snow olive]

exactly

[fluid abyss]

vertical slices are a promise, presenting the gameplay as a fact is misleading

[raw pike]

So what's your problem with what I said? Vertical slices are the method by which they show misleading representations

Not every vertical slice is misleading, I'm not saying that

[fluid abyss]

fr

[raw pike]

but just about every one shown by Ubisoft is 🤣

[cobalt nexus]

Still waiting for my review copy….must be in the post

[snow olive]

'please stop developing games using vertical stacks/slices because some development studios are run by terrible directors and management teams that fail to deliver on the tech demos used for marketing purposes making vertical slices bs'

[raw pike]

why are you putting quotes around it as if I said any of that lol

[fluid abyss]

you can DEVELOP with vertical slices, we're saying stop PRESENTING with vertical slices and promising more than what ends up releasing

[pearl jacinth]

ok NERDS what about HORIZONTAL SLICES

[dense hatch]

exactly

[snow olive]

wheels are round but the rubber ones get flat plz stop

[fluid abyss]

[dense hatch]

this really is a 5% smaller moment

[snow olive]

ubisoft fails to deliver because its run by inept directors and managers that care mnore about peoples feelings than the ip they are working on.

[fluid abyss]

they're still a game company, that uses vertical slices to deceive

[snow olive]

they use games to decive. pls stop making games.

[fluid abyss]

it doesn't matter who ubisoft is, it matters that vertical slices can and have been used to mislead people when used to showcase demos

[celest blaze]

i swear ubisoft is just a money laundring front posed as a game company at this point

[dense hatch]

you're clearly misunderstanding the point

[raw pike]

if the money were socks that kept getting lost in the wash maybe

[dense hatch]

this IS a 5% smaller moment

[snow olive]

no im not. you are blaming a company using industry standard practices when its actually the people who fail to deliver on their jobs responsibilities to deliver what was shown to you

[lime gull]

I'm having a 10% larger bloodclot moment

[raw pike]

Chicken or the egg, the bottom line problem is that they consistently keep repeating the same failure

[snow olive]

the people who can or could deliver were fired for being mean

[raw pike]

and they've become notorious for it

[snow olive]

and the internet cheered it on

[raw pike]

Ubisoft's notoriety for misleading marketing far predates their progressive streak

[lime gull]

Personally I'm here bc of Stalker 2

[snow olive]

me too

[fluid abyss]

still slightly sussed out by Stalker 2 not really showing real gameplay though... even with this recent trailer, all of the movement seems too deliberate to show off the game than to show someone playing the game, if that makes sense

I want GSC indev funny moments #15

[cobalt nexus]

A Vertical slice is a polished segment of a game in active development. What you are referring to is a pre development trailer like Anthem did.

[lime gull]

I find it really hard to believe that people are so incredulous about the stalker gameplay. There's a lot of it out now. Look at the Great Swamps gameplay and tell me it's all pre-rendered to show off the game.

[cobalt nexus]

One of the recent trailers was some low skilled player playing on Xbox. Was pretty real looking to me. I think it was the gamescom one.

[fluid abyss]

might just be the fact controllers are being used, but it feels kinda unnatural imo

[pearl jacinth]

skif needs to work on his aim

[raw pike]

Gameplay looked fine to me, you can tell its real because the player kinda sucked

[celest blaze]

to be fair controllers are unnatural

[fluid abyss]

see: R6 E3 trailer

[celest blaze]

using a controller is like piloting a boat shits obnoxious

[pearl jacinth]

don't do bro like that

[cobalt nexus]

Controllers kinda suck yeah. Give me neurolink control

[raw pike]

Like just go watch the "cinematic gameplay" moments from the normal trailers where it shows the character whip around and kill a whole room full of baddies hiding on catwalks and shit, and then go watch that Swamps gameplay

[fluid abyss]

gets brain fried after encountering a controller

[celest blaze]

ONG id be peak at warthunder

[lime gull]

Truly

lots more points too where the player abruptly stops and just like. Checks their inventory or loots something.

[raw pike]

They really goofed with those sections because they made the game look like CoD, had everyone worried for a bit

[cobalt nexus]

The constant reloading always bugs me. You have 30 rounds ffs

[raw pike]

Ooo yeah, magazine management is a game mechanic I want to see become more common. It's cool when done well

STALKER modding does not do it well. Games like Battlebit though? aces 👍

[fluid abyss]

I think one thing that many people don't consider is that it is technically possible for developers to effectively "record" player movements and then re-play them, altering world props & enemies in a cinematic way (imagine CSGO replays but with more control)
too much manipulation of the environment can make reaction speeds & situations feel odd and disconnected

[raw pike]

magazines are almost entirely managed via UI and simple button prompts to combine mags, but you can still run into situations where you weren't on top of it and have to quickly deal with a pile of half-filled mags in the middle of a tense fight

[pearl jacinth]

proactive jam prevention ‼️

[fluid abyss]

at this point, I am also considering the time spent on development as well. I expect GSC to have made SOME game throughout all of these years, so imo parts of the game simply existing isn't enough

they say launch is just around the corner, so rn I can only wait and see

[snow olive]

this happens a lot now via heatmaps

[raw pike]

man if anything I feel like constantly reloading would just contribute to more jams via failures to feed

[fluid abyss]

heatmaps?

[rain marten]

Also, unlike many other AAA devs, they only have a handful of legacy titles, as such they can not afford to ruin their rep with a Cyberpunk level fiasco.

[snow olive]

its one of the extraction methods of the pointmap data.

nvidia tech

[lime gull]

Oh no, this is a dangerous perspective to have. I value it and I agree, a magazine mod for S2 would be nice. But you gotta be careful or you'll get yourself in a fight with a bunch of haters who think the mechanic would totally destroy Stalker's gameplay.

[fluid abyss]

they've already locked in a lot of preorders

[fluid abyss]

you could pull a Half-Life 2 and have magazines slowly auto-reloaded in your inventory when you aren't using them (HL2 does this with unequipped weapons)

[raw pike]

I don't see how a simple magazine system like Battlebit has would destroy Stalker's gameplay. It's extremely light, there's no inventory item to manage and its literally just holding one button every once in a while to "combine mags"

[rain marten]

Yeah but they lose so much more if the game turns out to be something it isn´t. Their rep would be soiled for good.

[raw pike]

and then the HUD shows how many half-mags you have sitting around

[fluid abyss]

if you make enough money to retire, many people are fine with that

[lime gull]

To be clear, I'm not about to argue.

I think luckily the haters are not online lol!

[celest blaze]

im right here

[lime gull]

oh f*ck

[raw pike]

I know you were just warning me that others might flip out about it, and I can absolutely see why because the way the modding scene has handled magazine management in STALKER has been like... the worst

[celest blaze]

(joke)

[raw pike]

I wouldn't like the idea of magazine management either if I hadn't played Battlebit and Insurgency

[snow olive]

im over here watching satlker 2 videos cooking chicken wings

[fluid abyss]

only thing I dislike about magazine management is how magazine selection works... I hate accidentally reloading and having a random magazine in my lineup that only has 3 bullets in it

[rain marten]

Thing is they probably do not, GSC has had to rise from the dead once already, their funds will be drained at this point. If GSC wants any kind of future, this launch has to work.

[raw pike]

in battlebit all the half-mags get used last in order of how full they are

it is legit as casual and lightweight as it could possibly be, but its neat that its there

[fluid abyss]

interesting take, but I kinda liked how Unturned did ammo management

being able to press R to reload to the next magazine, or hold the "modify weapon" button to manually select which magazine you want worked out pretty well

[raw pike]

The only games I can tolerate inventory-based magazine management in are VR games and even then its dicey

like I felt Into The Radius was borderline too tedious, but ITR2 made it much faster and simpler

[celest blaze]

i like the sounds of this ngl

[rain marten]

ITR2s ammo system is a hit... I know what you mean.

[snow olive]

if stalker 2 goes mainstream and sells millions of units its goign to change gaming in ways we cant even predict.

[lime gull]

Yeah, Bethesda will cancel TES6 and make Fallout 5 instead.

[dim topaz]

Magazine management fits games like Tarkov, but i'm so glas it's not in vanilla Stalker. It's a pain in the ass for no good reason.

[raw pike]

The ONLY complaint I have about ITR2s ammo system is that you can't just pass a loose bullet over an ammo box sitting on a table and have it go into the box. That was a thing in ITR1 and it made it a lot easier to just have a stack of ammo boxes in the corner and toss bullets at them and have them just magically sort themselves out lol

[lime gull]

Depending on who designs it, it doesn't have to be.

[raw pike]

but in ITR2 you have to be grabbing the box with one hand and putting the round in the box with the other

[lime gull]

it just takes design time that's unnecessary bc Stalker has never had mag mechanics before.

[rain marten]

Some mods have allowed that, but in general I find it to be excessive.

[dim topaz]

And that's because there is no reason for Stalker to have magazine management.

[lime gull]

The execution in the mods themselves isn't very good either.

[snow olive]

magazine management is one of the worst aspects of the realism games.

[raw pike]

All of the magazine mods for STALKER are tedious as hell and just not fun imo, thats why I brought up Battlebit

[lime gull]

There's no reason for Stalker to have hunger, thirst, sleepiness either, but the game has all of those features.

[raw pike]

I just think Battlebit did it really well because it has zero tedium but still allows for unique unexpected situations in fights where you have to deal with it

[lime gull]

It's about atmosphere. I don't think Stalker would be hurt by having an additional mechanic that makes you take cover to reload mags.

But I can see why a lot of people don't like it, so I wouldn't expect it to be in a vanilla Stalker game.

[dim topaz]

I disagree. You can have a certain level of survival systems without it encroaching on being tedious for the sake of it

[raw pike]

like again for anyone who hasn't played Battlebit you combine mags by literally just holding down one button at any time and they just combine themselves pretty quickly

[lime gull]

At the end of the day, the same can be said about magazines.

[fluid abyss]

it isn't too bad for games where ammo is quite uncommon
there's no reload time (like in tarkov), so you can load ammo very quickly... I don't remember the specifics of moving ammo around different magazines, but beyond taking ammo OUT of the magazines (iirc that required you to open the crafting menu), I think loading mags was pretty easy (I may be wrong about this tho)

[raw pike]

and magazines are always used in order of how full they are regardless of when you reloaded

[fluid abyss]

that sounds quite convenient

[raw pike]

Yeah like I said it has zero tedium but since the half-full mags are still there it allows for some interesting situations in long fights where you have to take cover and deal with the half-mags

and then obviously resupplying at an ammo box just gives you full mags back

[lethal orchid]

Oh really? Didn't know that

[kindred kestrel]

Hello!

[dim topaz]

I can manage hunger and thirst by a single button. I can manage sleep by going to a certain place or with consumables.
Magazine management takes more deliberate planning, more interactions from the player, often during combat no less, which is supposed to be the good part, not the tedious part.

And theres nothing to gain from having it

[patent mortar]

Rookie village will be filled to the brim of newcomers to the point military can't ignore them anymore.

[lime gull]

Did you listen to what Raok was talking about at all? Did that sound like it would require more deliberate planning?

More deliberate planning than say, remembering to bring ammo for the mutant killing gun and ammo for your stalker killing gun?

[fluid abyss]

it adds additional planning to combat instead of "I have enough bullets, brrrrr"

[dim topaz]

Ok and what does it add to the game

[lime gull]

Bc everyone knows, the best part of survival games is when you don't have to think about the survival elements at all.

[fluid abyss]

for example, Titanfall 2. Good game, but ngl the entire campaign is just holding down m1 and pressing r every 3 seconds for the entire 7 ish hours of the story

[raw pike]

The Witcher if it were a shooting game lol

[dim topaz]

How in the fuk are you arguing for Titanfall 2 having mag loading lmao

Yall are crazy

[patent mortar]

I'm not.

Just a bit schizophrenic

[dim topaz]

Not every game has to be the hardcore milsim survival experience

[fluid abyss]

what? I never said that
the TF2 reference was just about how not having mag loading makes the firefights all blend together, because there's no real strategy besides "dont stop shooting"

[raw pike]

Magazine management does not have to be a hardcore thing

[fluid abyss]

brotha do you know what server ur in

[raw pike]

Ain't nobody calling Battlebit a hardcore FPS lmao

[dim topaz]

Have you not played Vanilla Stalker?

[fluid abyss]

I've ONLY played vanilla

[dim topaz]

This is because titanfall 2 story is bland as a modern fps, it's like CoD with mechs, not because it doesnt have mag loading

[dense hatch]

I just played like 5 matches it is very much not "don't stop shooting"

[patent mortar]

For me, Thirst, Hunger, and Sleep are still acceptable if we're talking about realism aimed for casual players.

[dense hatch]

and I play pyro and medic too

[raw pike]

they're talking about Titanfall 2

[dim topaz]

My brother in Christ hide your power level

[fluid abyss]

@raw pike here's a question: magazines, an item in your inventory, or magic?
In Unturned, every magazine was an item you had to find (tho theres p much always 1 in any gun you find)

[raw pike]

Titanfall 2 fans thinking they'll ever be the "TF2"

[dense hatch]

both are good games tbh

[fluid abyss]

real, Team Fortress 2 is simply too GOATed

[raw pike]

Always magic. I said it earlier but the only time I like inventory based mag management is VR games

[fluid abyss]

Personally, I do not like sleep as a survival mechanic

[raw pike]

in VR games absolutely yes it should be an actual item, but in flat games? Nah man let the character deal with it offscreen

[patent mortar]

Friendly reminder to talk in #💬┃en_offtop if it's about other games thank you.

[fluid abyss]

its relevant to S2.. mostly

[patent mortar]

Why not? It should be easy to manage yes?

[fluid abyss]

in many games, it's essentially a requirement to go out of my way to stop playing for a few seconds to watch a sunrise animation play out

[raw pike]

You're missing context if you think this discussion is about other games. We were discussing whether STALKER 2 could have magazine management without it being too much of a PITA using other games as a reference

[pearl jacinth]

bro pressed enter too early

[fluid abyss]

real 💀

[patent mortar]

Fair enough

Magazine management huh, I'd say that's too realistic.

[dense hatch]

I think the thing about mag loading is that it REALLY needs a slow pace to not be annoying

[raw pike]

It was a very wide tangent and the source is very far up in chat XD I def suggest reading what I said about Battlebit earlier because it's a very well done casual mag system

[dense hatch]

if I'm going to be constantly doing it then definitely no

[fluid abyss]

raok suggested something that is used in battlebit, where it's super refined and made casual so that "oh no I am now loading half-mags" still happens from time to time without going through all the pain of managing it

[dense hatch]

isn't battlebit like battlefield

[raw pike]

no tedium or annoying "realism" stuff its all handled by one button, but still allows for the fun unexpected situations that mag management can allow

[dense hatch]

and the times where you're spending 5 minutes loading said mags

[raw pike]

Yeah I think it straight up started as a Roblox clone of Battlefield or something

[dense hatch]

unless it's instant which in that case it's fine

[raw pike]

it isn't instant in Battlefield but its really quick, its like 1 second per mag combine

so you're getting a full mag every second you hold the button pretty much, its long enough to be a thing but not long enough to be a trouble

[patent mortar]

Oh yeah Enlisted has it too but considering Stalker has inventory I think that's not going to work.

[fluid abyss]

this would also give the players something to passively do while exploring/walking through big old flower fields

[dense hatch]

instead of looking around at the cool visuals and saying vigilant to not run into an anomaly

or just soaking in the vibes

[raw pike]

Yeah that's the part I'm not sure about. Stalker has a full inventory and your ammo is represented as just a single box of ammo, so idk how the game could keep track of mags if its just one box in the inventory. And as soon as you put actual mags as an item in the inventory it gets tedious and annoying

[dense hatch]

one thing the fallout franchise does well is soaking in the vibe

and it's important that you aren't constantly managing this extra factor to do so

[raw pike]

20 years of Stalker modding scene and I've never encountered a magazine mod that wasn't tedius af

[dense hatch]

exactly

[raw pike]

but then tbf the vast majority of the modding scene for STALKER takes all their cues from Misery and wants STALKER to be tedius af

[dense hatch]

I even tried EFP, and the mag managing was just bad

it didn't make things more tense, I just spent more time standing still beside otherwise it takes 2 decades instead of one

I think I ran out of magazines maybe three times when doing the full living legend part of the questline

[patent mortar]

Hmmm you reminds me Road to the North mod. Hard to explain but it has magazine mechanic but it's really simple.

[dense hatch]

and I used an MP5, an SKS, a mosin

[fluid abyss]

yeah but one thing it doesn't do well imo is once you get any semi-decent armor, it almost becomes pointless to loot anything

[dense hatch]

not particularly

[fluid abyss]

besides the end-game loot chests... but then you start missing out on the extra findables

[raw pike]

I used a Mosin Nagant for the entirety of Into The Radius 1 because hell yeah Mosin and most importantly NO MAGS

[dense hatch]

fallout 4 gets around that by the amazing junk system and 3 has this wonderful little light crafting mechanic and NV has good area progression

you're constantly looking for something better unless it's your 80th run and you understand where to find that set of reinforced combat armor at the nuclear testing site

*leather armor

[patent mortar]

I want exo. Always been a fan on how it looks.

[raw pike]

I didn't like not being able to run in Exo

[dense hatch]

the reinforced combat armor is in the spot with all the lakelurks on the legion side of the Colorado

[dense hatch]

such an annoying downside

[patent mortar]

In CoP you can that's why it's my favorite stalker game.

[raw pike]

so I always stuck with the Sunrise or Tourist suit. NGL I got a little excited that the preorder suit is Tourist

[dense hatch]

it's not hard to deal with or anything it just adds onto travel time pointlessly

[raw pike]

I assume it's nerfed though, ofc

[patent mortar]

Shouldn't you get at least SEVA or Skat?

[dense hatch]

I just used the Guardian of Freedom suit in SoC

[fluid abyss]

the light crafting mechanic sucks in fallout 4

[dense hatch]

it's just a skin

[dense hatch]

name one other game that has you consistently thinking about having enough glue

or screws, or aluminum

[patent mortar]

If we're talking about armor other than exo I'd take Skat. Good bullet protection for pushing through monolith territories.

[raw pike]

Nah there were upgradeable helmets that worked fine for rad/gas but iirc Tourist had the most artifact slots when upgraded no?

[dense hatch]

or ceramic sometimes, or fertilizer

[dense hatch]

do you mean sunrise?

[rain marten]

Speaking of which, I would not be surprised if we get a Deep Dive regarding armor types soon enough.

[dense hatch]

you can't get the tourist suit in CoP

[raw pike]

Yeah Tourist was ShoC

[patent mortar]

Isn't Tourist a unique version of Sunrise that's able to carry more weight? Or perhaps I'm forgetting something.

[fluid abyss]

consistently? once you upgrade the base stuff it becomes pointless, until you have a need again, at which point you have to remember which closet had 10 desk fans stashed in a box somewhere

[raw pike]

No that's it, it just wasn't in all games

[dense hatch]

what base stuff

you should be constantly upgrading and crafting if you're going at a decent pace

especially in survival

[patent mortar]

Would be funny if you pre-order and you get is a slightly better version of Leather/Rookie jacket.

Or maybe bandit jacket/trenchcoat.

[raw pike]

they already revealed the preorder items

[patent mortar]

But I guess sunrise is good enough.

Yeh

[raw pike]

it's Tourist and a Val/Vintorez custom

but someone said they were just skins? so ig skin is for base suit

[dense hatch]

it's in the announcements, they look sick

[patent mortar]

Huh what's that?

[primal salmon]

will there be a zone's "fun house" in Stalker 2 ?

[patent mortar]

Idk sir but I hope 100 rads bar will actually be radioactive.

[primal salmon]

Nostalgic 100 rad theme song

[wraith socket]

Freedom is in control of Rostok in S2.

[patent mortar]

Yeah

Dooty members in shambles

Wonder where they're going now.

[patent mortar]

Canonically do Freedom takeover Yanov Station? I kinda forgot.

[raw pike]

a functional SPAS-12 actually existing in the zone is probably the most unrealistic and shocking thing I've seen in STALKER 2 gameplay

like anomalies and mutants I can handle, but a SPAS-12 and it still works and looks good? Nah thats how you know there's been some serious deviation in the world of STALKER vs irl

[dense hatch]

or funny shotgun BANG BANG BANG

in CS with firerate upgrades it is devastating

[raw pike]

I wonder who it was that first popularized it because its in movies and games both

despite not being in production for almost the entire history of 3D video games lol

[dense hatch]

the spas?

[raw pike]

yeah

[indigo marsh]

The zone is a place with strange anomalies

[dense hatch]

according to google ai it was first in modern warfare 2 2020

it was in half life 1 so probably there

[indigo marsh]

The spsa is a pretty cool looking Shotgun

[raw pike]

oh was it in HL1? I thought Counter Strike had it first

[dense hatch]

nope

[raw pike]

that makes sense

[dense hatch]

it's quite good too

[raw pike]

in HL1? I imagine so, it kicks butt in HL2 also

I never played HL1, only Black Mesa

[dense hatch]

I honestly prefer the original model compared to the HD one, I need to check what black mesa uses

I forgot they changed it from the kinda bad one

[dire dagger]

tbh its probably half life 1

well no

its probably some 80s actions movie

apparently it was in first seen in terminator

1984

[dense hatch]

games

[raw pike]

Oh, no thats it, thats 100% it

[dire dagger]

there it be

[raw pike]

yeah that's such an iconic scene and movie, I didn't realize it was that old honestly lmao

[dire dagger]

but is the spas 12 really that unreliable ive never heard that complaint before

[snow olive]

those were the days

[dire dagger]

yah when the terminator came out i was -18 years old

[raw pike]

No not at all, it just hasn't been in production in 25 years

and it wasn't particularly rugged

[dire dagger]

they should have added the usas 12 instead

south korean aa-12 but even better

[raw pike]

the Saiga is a sure bet

[dire dagger]

usas is a full auto shot gun firing at 450rpm lmao

[raw pike]

yeah but it never had any eastern european countries adopt it

[dire dagger]

well yah

but its COOL

[raw pike]

it is cool I just think if they're going to have a mag-fed shotgun it'll probably be the Saiga

the Protecta may come back too, it was in the originals

[dire dagger]

well we already know thats in the game

[raw pike]

idk IIRC the Saiga wasn't in the originals

[dire dagger]

let me look at the list

[raw pike]

it was just the SPAS and Protecta in those afaik

[dire dagger]

.

the sks/mosin is a a super stretch cus its never been seen in a trailer only in promotional stuff

[raw pike]

Oh snap is that a list of confirmed weapons in STALKER 2?

[dire dagger]

sorta

[rain marten]

Ah man... That thing was a proper "Love-hate" relationship. Great shotgun, as long as you did not have to reload in the middle of a fight.

[dire dagger]

unofficial

list of all guns that have been spotted in trailers and or promotional material

[raw pike]

Mosin and SKS are such safe bets that if they aren't in the game, it doesn't take place in Ukraine

[dire dagger]

they were not in the originals

the og games also had a ak47 that fired 7.62x54 so

[raw pike]

wait what? I coulda sworn they were

[dire dagger]

goofy stuff was going on

desert eagles that fired 45 acp

etc etc

this does appear to be fixed in stalker 2 though

guns are firing the proper ammo they should be

[raw pike]

That's crazy, I could have sworn vanilla had an SKS or mosin as an early weapon but that must be me remembering some early mod maybe Complete 09 or smth

ngl I haven't played vanilla in ages because Vanilla+ mod packs just be too good

[wet imp]

does anyone know if theres offical merch for this game? like a shirt hat or sweater or some

[dire dagger]

there is not

except for the og moderator merch

[raw pike]

Nothing except the collectors/ultimate edition swag

[dire dagger]

from 2020

[wet imp]

dang

[dire dagger]

if you see crimson around he might be able to show you a picture haha

[wet imp]

you dont have to play the old stalker games for this rightt?

[dire dagger]

its a good idea to do so but

you don't HAVE to

[wet imp]

i have them all

i just suck and stopped playing

[native island]

This will be my first

[rain marten]

I doubt it is a neccessity, most of the known lore is everywhere with a little research. Byeond that, each game thrived on the fear of the unknown.

[snow olive]

be prepared, stalker is a brutal unforgiving game

[raw pike]

I don't think anyone could tell you for sure how relevant the plot of STALKER 1 will be to 2 until we know how much they bother to explain things like the C-Consciousness and the zone expanding and so on

[keen glen]

will S2 Console have KBM support?

[raw pike]

it wouldn't take long to catch up on the essentials anyways, the first game was entirely back-loaded with everything being a complete mystery until the end

and the second and third games don't really expand much beyond what the first revealed

They certainly expand the world and the factions at play but as far as explaining what the zone is and how it works, it all comes down to that last bit of the first game

[finite dragon]

will freedom and duty be in stalker 2

[celest goblet]

Yeah we have seen their members in trailers

[finite dragon]

we don't know if it's expanding all that's mentioned is that anomalies are outside of it

[raw pike]

The first and third game state that the zone is expanding

[dire dagger]

i mean dude

scar was literally shown

FUCKEN SCAR

THE LEGEND

[raw pike]

Yeah they've already shown Duty, Freedom, and Monolith at the least

[raw pike]

Oh yeah and Scar leading his own faction

[dire dagger]

i just can't wait for mac10 bro

do we know that though

🤨

ive never heard that before

scar just appears

thats all

[dense hatch]

what

[dire dagger]

no hes right

the zone does expand some

[dense hatch]

people suspect it in those but they don't actually know, it wasn't confirmed until stalker 2

[raw pike]

I'm fairly certain the first one they reveal that each time someone reached the center and had a wish "granted" it expanded the zone a little

[pearl jacinth]

i wish... for rest of world to be the zone...

• EVIL strelok

[elder fiber]

late af but sks fires intermediate (7.62X39) while M1A fires full size rifle (7.62X51)

[nimble cipher]

dom_3671 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[elder fiber]

this, i love the mac10 even though its very uncontrollable irl

[normal quail]

@granite mortar i finished anomaly and it was meh
it reeally need urgently and screaming proper side quest

[dire dagger]

must spend many years training to be strong enough to wield

[elder fiber]

i fired one with a stock and supressor and it was... silly
fun
but silly lol

[pearl jacinth]

do spas12 next

[dire dagger]

me who has never shot a gun before

guns epic probably

[pearl jacinth]

thing will fly straight out of your arms

[elder fiber]

id rather fire a saiga, i actually want one

[dire dagger]

i drive manual thats what i do

[elder fiber]

same

[dire dagger]

im the one manual driver in america

[elder fiber]

one of several

[pearl jacinth]

citation needed

[normal quail]

tejas im going to cotz now

[raw pike]

It's not as bad as you'd think

[wraith socket]

You were born in 1966? Terminator came out in 1984.

[pearl jacinth]

bro is old

[elder fiber]

meh, just an expense i cant afford rn

[raw pike]

I've shot one, its backwards more than up and mostly just digs into your shoulder

[dire dagger]

i was born in 2002 thats why i said -18 years old

[pearl jacinth]

bro was unborn

[raw pike]

the magazines aren't large enough to run away before you run out

[elder fiber]

i also want an m1A and i'd have to choose between the two

[dire dagger]

just use both bro

plus they put the auto makarov in the game

which will be awesome

[raw pike]

I want them to add a Glock 18C with one of those crappy little front grips and instead of jamming it has a chance for the front grip to come off and you blow your hand off

[dire dagger]

it would need to have one of those goofy c mags

[raw pike]

Nah they plate extensions that take it over 20 rounds thats enough

[wraith socket]

Not trying to give you a hard time. I just misunderstood this statement.

[dire dagger]

fair

i guess i should have said negative

[wraith socket]

Oh you mean negative.

[dire dagger]

yes

twas but a glimmer in the eye of mamma jack

[wraith socket]

I see the negative now. Just thought it was a dash.

[dire dagger]

no worries haha

[wraith socket]

The last few terminator movies were dumpster fires.

[dire dagger]

so ive heard

[nimble cipher]

weewdiedrich has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dire dagger]

owned

[pearl jacinth]

i want the spas12 to be as mildly bad as it is irl, if there is one

[dire dagger]

there is

we already know there is

[pearl jacinth]

the npcs in the trailers are saying the FUDGE WORD but we can't!!!!! what!!!!

[dire dagger]

but i can

fuck

[pearl jacinth]

ｆｕｃｋ

[indigo marsh]

The free spsa in CS is cool

[pearl jacinth]

i just gotta be ＢＯＬＤ

[wraith socket]

free spsa in CoP in Zaton.

[indigo marsh]

I can too
Imagine not being able to.

[pearl jacinth]

do it rn

[dire dagger]

we need a special roll that makes you immune to wolf

[raw pike]

its in the gone gold trailer released today

[dire dagger]

so officially cool can be a role

and becoming cool allows you to swear

[pearl jacinth]

officially cool: does nothing but lets you say ｆｕｃｋ　and ｓｈｉｔ　and all sorts of things

The Pass™️

[dire dagger]

yes

once im imbued you with the power of swag

[indigo marsh]

I didn't find it.
But there was the TRs 301 stash that you could get in Zaton for doing one of the main missions.

[dire dagger]

wolf can't touch you

your rizz is too powerful

[pearl jacinth]

can i ping wolf

[dire dagger]

yah

it wont do anything

[pearl jacinth]

@nimble cipher touch me rn i dare u