☢┃stalker-general

[shrewd needle]

Get a rifle. Go to Warlock at Zalissya and get from him the mission to get a debt back from Valik Lummox.

[ashen nebula]

Whats that

[shrewd needle]

Are you serious right now?

[ashen nebula]

Yea no troll

[shell flax]

First settlement you go to

[ashen nebula]

Remember i just started playing stalker 2 with not play any stalker game ok

[shrewd needle]

Zalissya = the main hub in the Lesser Zone...

[ashen nebula]

U mean the bar?

[shrewd needle]

Open map, there's a big town in the center of the Lesser Zone.

[shell flax]

Yep

[ashen nebula]

So not the bar

[shrewd needle]

Yes, the bar in Zalissya. Warlock is the bartender.

[ashen nebula]

Wait is it the bar or no?

Ur guys opinions getting my minds mix

[ashen nebula]

I just call that the bar

Cus i only remember the bar

[shrewd needle]

TBF, when most people say 'Bar', they mean the bar in Rostok. Which is much further ahead.

But yea, go to the bar, meet Warlock, get mission. Easy rifle.

[ashen nebula]

Whats tbf

[shell flax]

TBF = To be fair

[ashen nebula]

Oh

[shell flax]

Also I’m pretty sure I could audibly hear amnesia contemplate jumping just now lmao

[ashen nebula]

I thought it was connected to to be honest so i started thinking of to be honest

[shrewd needle]

Heh, nah...I'm cool, just a bit...surprised at having to explain all.

[ashen nebula]

Ok

[shell flax]

I’ve met people who don’t know what Disney is, so this stuff doesn’t bother me

[ashen nebula]

Leaper is from 2017??

Ayo what how old is the server

[shell flax]

Nah, that’s when I made the account, I joined shortly after S2 launched

[ashen nebula]

Oh

I saw something different then

[shrewd needle]

I know, I just figured S2 is easy to pick up, once you start using your PDA.

[ashen nebula]

Wait amnesia joined when he created his account?

Amnesias profile tricked me or my mind tricked me

[shrewd needle]

Server has existed for like...close to a decade, at this point?

[ashen nebula]

Decade is 10 years right?

[shell flax]

Yep

[shrewd needle]

No, I joined this server in 2019.

[ashen nebula]

U created nov 28 u joined nov 28

[shrewd needle]

Account is from, uh...2018 something. Forgot.

[ashen nebula]

Ok

[shrewd needle]

Huh, maybe I did; I honestly don't remember...it's been so long.

[ashen nebula]

I think amnesia is using multiple accounts to do multiple server

Did leapers message just got deleted or am i seeing things

[shrewd needle]

Uh...no. You can join 100 servers on one account.

[ashen nebula]

So u only have 1 account and its amn?

[shell flax]

I deleted it, tagged the wrong message

[ashen nebula]

Alralr

[shrewd needle]

Yes. Same name everywhere, same profile picture, same name capitalization.

[ashen nebula]

I have 2 accounts but my alt is dead 😞

Also what does ua mean

[shell flax]

Ukrainian

[ashen nebula]

Oh ok

Sometimes i wonder what could amnesia be doing

[shrewd needle]

Trust me, you don't want to.

[ashen nebula]

Give me a hints

[shrewd needle]

No. Besides, this is STALKER, not my place. So...focus on the rifle.

[ashen nebula]

When i cliked ur youtube when i saw the most popular video i wonder why would u post that 🤔

Watching it i think its a clip

[shrewd needle]

My...YouTube?

Phuck, I was supposed to remove that.

Anyways, get...the damn...rifle.

[ashen nebula]

I cant i died

I said i died to a bandit 😭

I need to redo everything again 😞 cus i keep forgetting to not delete my saves

[lean viper]

Hey

I hate this level up thing

[ashen nebula]

K

[ashen nebula]

Who is bro talkin to

[lean viper]

To anyone

[ashen nebula]

U shouldnt start with hey

[lean viper]

Oh is that like not greeting

[ashen nebula]

Atleast a yall
So itd be

Hey yall i kinda hate this leveling up system cus my unckinda homeless

[ashen nebula]

Idk what a greeting is i forgot

[lean viper]

Just like saying hello

Welcoming someone

[ashen nebula]

Oh ok ok

What about

"Yo guys can yall disable the leveling system"

[lean viper]

Not even level 8 not even close

Maybe reactions

[ashen nebula]

What

Pics wont load in my view

[lean viper]

Reactions don’t help I’m just not doing ts no more

[charred nova]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-george-orwell-george-orwell-1984-1984-chips-1984-ruffles-gif-7144052804264359069

[obtuse veldt]

[shell flax]

And I thought my ADHD ruined my attention span

[dreamy dagger]

Haha mugshot time

[shrewd needle]

https://www.imfdb.org/images/3/36/HOC_usp_match_concept.jpg

Shame the Deadeye can't be suppressed in-game... 😒

[silent valve]

Rats...cannot open that file, NSFW^^

[shrewd needle]

IMFDB = NFSW? 🤔

[silent valve]

not safe for work

[shrewd needle]

Gun makes you safer from others. More like extra safe for work.

[silent valve]

Sure, I own a license to bear and carry a weapon, nontheless at work some pages are blocked

[shrewd needle]

Work networks be like... 😔

But, eh...you can always check IMFDB at home.

[silent valve]

Yeah, will do. You are the pixel goddess iirc, aint?

[shrewd needle]

Uh...who is this 'pixel goddess'?

[silent valve]

Dunno, just saw a few renderings at home, admireable skills, no more

[shrewd needle]

No, I don't draw art.

[stuck seal]

Yeah that’s true. But you are the hamster master iirc, aint?

[silent valve]

Then I was mistaken... nvm

[shrewd needle]

I shall roll you into a hamster ball and throw you around.

[silent valve]

No, just put him into blown hamster cheeks and chew him a bit^^

[median glen]

1。6

[tawdry oar]

still struggling to earn bingo achievement, what was the order anyway?

i know weird pot makes things easier but the f&b order is the problem

[timid siren]

Does anyone know, Stalker 2 uses traditional LODs or Nanite?

[smoky hawk]

nanite

[timid siren]

got it

[kindred fable]

I heard that everything but foliage uses nanite... Is that true?

[timid siren]

As being a descendant of Monolith Engine (heavily modified X-Ray) in nearest years Unreal promisses to be very close although nasty friend

[kindred timber]

That’s not really true there was no sleeping bag item in the game those were added by mods

There was a sleep mechanic but it was tied to specific points of rest such as rookie village, Garbage depot, or the small room behind the locked door on Radar.

[sage dew]

Yes sleep mechanic is what I was talking about

[timid siren]

Basically recreated a simplified CoP sleep UI but used by activating a sleep bag / sleep zone depending on a mod

[sage dew]

Not sleeping bag

yes - but sleepingbag is way better than "bed" mechanic

[timid siren]

There were mods for sleeping bag of Soc. Doen`t actually matter - they all except Lost Alpha shared same core implementation.

Alrhougt yeah, mods like OGSR, Sigerious used simplier version with just "sleep 3 / 6 / till morning" buttons

[obtuse veldt]

You know, the bed mechanic kinda ridiculous, not only to mention the amount of time you can stay awake without drowsiness due energy drinks is ridiculous as well

[timid siren]

...for now on old stalkers are still much more modifiable even having Zone Kit for S2.
Hope it will change in years

[obtuse veldt]

I mean, using the sleeping bag in a building where is a safe area from emissions would be a good idea

Not only to mention deciding the amount of hours one would like to sleep

[shrewd needle]

Till a bunch of mutated dogs rip your face off.

[timid siren]

Misery for CoP allowed you to unfold a real sleeping bag under feet at whatever place you want.

Even now on CoP with custom shaders can look like a game from 2018

[obtuse veldt]

Gives that an idea to have an "event" like:
You hear mutants trying to break in the building, wake up.
You hear suspicious steps its probably bandits.
You hear gunshots close by.

[shrewd needle]

Problem is waking up and the animation loop...can't use guns and all that.

[static lark]

You guys sleep?

[timid siren]

If only modmakers at vast majority really keeped that in mind but not simple recieved_damage x 100000000

[static lark]

My skif has just been walking around for like at least a week in game without sleeping

[shrewd needle]

Yes; I don't want to hear Skif yawn.

[static lark]

Energy drinks

[shrewd needle]

Expensive and limited. I like unlimited.

[shell flax]

In what reality are energy drinks expensive in S2

[spare canopy]

There are also several billion around the place, no need to ever buy them either.

[stuck seal]

Which makes the bartenders kinda useless, anything they sell you can have plenty of at any time. I do know some sell detectors and artifacts, but you can get those simply as well

They don’t buy things at higher prices either, so the non quest giving bartenders like ganja and the one at malachite have no point to them

[thin apex]

I don't think I've ever bought smth from a bartender

like I have 1000 pieces of bread and vodka with unforgiving zone I don't need more

[stuck seal]

What’s unforgiving zone

[smoky hawk]

mod

[timid siren]

I don't really get how having 100s of foods in original game could not confuse dev team.

Besides it costs nothing. No reason even to sell them

An always-available version of healing? Maybe, but bandages and medkits are also always in dozens.
Balance did not leave a chat: in fact it was never present.

[stuck seal]

It’s balanced out by the ten mercs at the processing plant jumping out of the walls while calling me a very not nice word. I had to use like six medkits in that one fight

[sick shale]

hmm, a stupid thought is fresh bread + the other version of the sausage

for the bar tenders

Also I seriously wish Quiet had some more screen time

[stuck seal]

What do you mean other version of the sausage

Another wiener

[sick shale]

in my first playthrough I found some kind of special sasuage

was better than the normal one and only found it once

[wooden walrus]

playing stalker unlimited and you kinda can't go couple days without having to buy food and drinks from a bartender

less so water but beer is actually really important to keep radiation in check

that mod helps a lot in turning stalker into an actual murder hobo simulator, really like it

[shrewd needle]

Or just get an anti-radiation artifact.

[wooden walrus]

(insert soyface reaction)

[arctic fjord]

No spoilers but how do you get past that electro tunnel in the agroprom underground? I want some artefacts from there

I managed to run in half way and grab one moonlight

[obtuse veldt]

Stalker SoC?

[arctic fjord]

Yes. I should of said

[obtuse veldt]

That tunnel has an advancing pattern, you could try "timing" it with a bolt

[arctic fjord]

Also I’ve got the artifacts:

• slug
• moonlight
• stone flower (2)
• fireball
  Is this good for where I’m at in the game? I haven’t explored the underground yet and I’ve got the mission to go get some documents in the dark valley

[obtuse veldt]

and then go ahead

There are some unique artifacts that grant bulletproof cap with no radiation penalties

[arctic fjord]

That’s what I tried doing, I’d be able to go about half way but there’s always some electricity at the end that kills

[arctic fjord]

I know but it’s all I’ve got right now

[obtuse veldt]

It advances you should know that you should move somewhere a bit furter of the electro anomaly

not to the end as it restarts there, since it moves

[arctic fjord]

I can’t, when it’s not at the start, I move in but then it comes back and I die

There’s literally no videos online showing how to get through 😭

[obtuse veldt]

then, ignore that place, you will find it again when exploring underground in that same area

and you will notice it has a moving pattern

[arctic fjord]

There’s more than one way in? Cool

[obtuse veldt]

yes

[arctic fjord]

I need to explore the agroprom underground more tbf, I’ve just been finding all the stashes I’ve got coords too and side quests

Still haven’t found Streloks stash

[obtuse veldt]

its behind a writing board

and if you pay more attention... you will find a stalker suit

as well a special weapon

[arctic fjord]

ive only gone as far as the entrance really

you go past a small section of tunnel into a square room

off to the side is an electro tunnel

[tame gazelle]

Are English CC subtitles on S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chornobyl — Developer Deep Dive correct?

[arctic fjord]

Does the difficult matter that much? Apparently I’ve had it set to master 😭 what does it actually affect

[chilly bloom]

So enemies on stalker mode will have slightly less aimbot

And enemies on rookie will be braindead

[arctic fjord]

I shouldn’t say it here but no spoilers! The other chat is sort of dead

[chilly bloom]

Im not spoiling anything

[shrewd needle]

This is a spoiler channel...for HoC.

[chilly bloom]

Unless you consider enemy aim spoiling

[shrewd needle]

Spoilers are allowed here.

[arctic fjord]

You never know, I was talking about something and someone did spoil something in the no spoilers channel :(

[chilly bloom]

Ah

[arctic fjord]

Is that the only change? Idk if I’ll decrease it

[shrewd needle]

That's different; this is a spoiler channel. Everything goes here.

[chilly bloom]

Kinda like how your character turns into a pickle

(Joke)

[wooden walrus]

I mean if you're posting about the OG games you should post in #⭐┃trilogy-general

not that I think it's that critical mind you

[chilly bloom]

I didnt even know that channel was there

Yunno they should add the old games to console but have it so that you need a keyboard and mouse

Wait thats just the new steam thing

[arctic fjord]

Oh this is for stalker ii?

[chilly bloom]

Yes

[wooden walrus]

I don't think it really matters but we have very dedicated haters that I'm sure will be upset if anything other than pure unfiltered vitriol about stalker 2 is posted here

[chilly bloom]

The weird cousin at the family reunion stalker game

[arctic fjord]

My bad gang, I saw stalker general and assumed this is the place

[wooden walrus]

it's cool, figured that might be the case

[arctic fjord]

I think I’m stuck ngl, I’m hiding next to a stash near the duty base and whenever I move I get detected, I’m waiting for nighttime right now, will that actually help me escape?

I got a fireball artefact from it which is cool and I really want to keep it

[chilly bloom]

Oooo

What i would do is just continue trying

What game

[gloomy citrus]

Are you talking about S2? If so, how are you hostile to Duty?

[arctic fjord]

The minute I walk forwards from where I am I suddenly here attention, there is an enemy on base

[gloomy citrus]

You shot some of their guys or something?

[arctic fjord]

Stalker SoC, my first playthrough as well

[chilly bloom]

So can you not kill them

[arctic fjord]

Nah it’s just restricted to duty members only

[gloomy citrus]

How are you hostile to Duty in the first place lmao.

Ooh

Now I remember.

Yeah you walked into their base before doing a quest.

[arctic fjord]

No I want to get out without being caught

Right now I’m trying to wait for nighttime

[chilly bloom]

All i can say is good luck idk how old games work with stealth

[gloomy citrus]

The guy at the base entrance told you that you cant enter.

[arctic fjord]

I’d send a photo to show my situation but can’t

[gloomy citrus]

I'd say give it up.

[arctic fjord]

Yeah so I went around and through the roof but since the stash is near the entrance I get seen

[gloomy citrus]

You can enter Duty base later.

[arctic fjord]

I’ve got a chance in the night right?

[chilly bloom]

You can just try running and gunning your way out

Theres always that

[arctic fjord]

Yeah but then they won’t like me 💔

[gloomy citrus]

Dunno. Why risk it when you can enter the base without causing any problem anyway?

[chilly bloom]

Whats there to like about duty

[arctic fjord]

I can’t it’s for duty members only, I’m still pretty much at the start (haven’t explored the underground yet)

[gloomy citrus]

I think you can get the quest from the guard once you deactivate Brain Scorcher in Yantar.

[arctic fjord]

💔 that seems far in

[gloomy citrus]

Do that first then talk to the guard again. He should give you a quest.

[arctic fjord]

Well, I’m off. Thanks for the help, I’ll give it a try

[chilly bloom]

Theres also the murder option

And the shoot everything option

Duty wants to destroy the zone in lore so i dont like duty

[nimble shore]

whats a good, light weapon for dealing with mutants? shottys are heavy

[chilly bloom]

Skifs pistol that does an odd amount of damage

And never breaks

Or jam

[nimble shore]

yeah, but that won't shred down a bloodsucker lol

[wooden walrus]

sawn off shotty

[chilly bloom]

Well shotguns are the way to go for most mutants

[nimble shore]

sawn with slugs/expanding it is then

[wooden walrus]

though honestly, pretty impressed at how ok the buket is with mutants in general

easy to keep on target, cheap ammo, p decent attachment options

[gloomy citrus]

Viper SMG with expansive round, i forgot what its called.

[chilly bloom]

MP5

[gloomy citrus]

No I mean the munition name.

[chilly bloom]

Oh 9×19 expansive

[nimble shore]

Buket is crazy strong

[gloomy citrus]

Its 9x19mm isnt it?

Ah right

[nimble shore]

might go with that or the Shah's smg

[wooden walrus]

mp5 can be 9 para or 45

but iirc it's quite heavier than the buket

[chilly bloom]

Im an insane gun nerd but some soviet guns like the many ots's i cant remember

I know the grozas and the svu

[gloomy citrus]

Still need the OG SiG550 and AN-94

[wooden walrus]

and if the game was canonically accurate you should be able to carry the buket on the sidearm slot

[chilly bloom]

And the ots 2 revolver

[nimble shore]

give me the AN and my life is GSC's forever

[chilly bloom]

If it was cannonically accurate there would be a PP2000 instead of a Mac10

It would make so much more sense

And the revolver would be replaced with an ots 2

[wooden walrus]

are you telling me that the nato military analogue wouldn't be packing drive-by specials?

[chilly bloom]

Not the ots 2 the

Ots 1

[wooden walrus]

I really wanna give oxa prototype a go, the gun nut vibes out of it are impeccable

[chilly bloom]

Ah

[charred nova]

F2000 please

[chilly bloom]

I didnt do much mods

[wooden walrus]

it lets you configure weapons with barrels and grips and actions and stocks, it's p cool

[chilly bloom]

I can see how they would make the game much better

[chilly bloom]

Ok i like that

[wooden walrus]

just... uses a very item rich approach

[gloomy citrus]

What was it called again? The one with grenade launcher.

[nimble shore]

Tunder?

[gloomy citrus]

No, F2000 with grenade launcher.

[charred nova]

Idk

[gloomy citrus]

Is it a vanilla weapon or am I a Modrot?

Played too many mods recently.

[chilly bloom]

Just it with a grenade launcher attachment

[charred nova]

[nimble shore]

all I can think of is the gp37, but thats not an F2000

[chilly bloom]

Yeah idk if theyre even talking about the game gun or real gun

[unkempt vault]

Slavjank ahh gun

[nimble shore]

my beloved

[unkempt vault]

Real

[static lark]

Why would you want that

[unkempt vault]

F2000 is supposed to be superior in SoC but it’s so late game it makes no difference

[charred nova]

Because it’s the most iconic gun from the original trilogy

[static lark]

“Give me this highly complex gun that will 100% break every 5 seconds and cost me 8 bahjillion coupons to fix”

[charred nova]

Ask gsc in 2007 they thought it was a good idea

[static lark]

The only reason I like the Dnipro is cause all it is is a AK74 with a polymer case wrapped around it and a trigger linkage

The Tavor (Fora) is goofy in my opinion, also I get why they made it 5.45 but why did they make the 2 bullpup guns 5.45 when they coulda at least made the Fora in 5.56

[static lark]

I mean I get that I’m not trying to bash anyone even though I can see it feels like I’m doing that

The rule of cool will win like 90% of the time but realistically speaking bringing a gun like the F2000 into the zone would be a nightmare

[stuck seal]

Stalkers sandbox revolves around getting stronger guns as you progress to fight stronger enemies. In GSCs eyes, high tech western guns are stronger, and that’s why mercs and monolith in the trilogy have those guns

They’re stronger enemies that appear later in the game, so they will have stronger guns that you can pick up and use yourself

[charred nova]

I mean we got the spas 12 why not

[static lark]

The spas 12 isn’t really that complex… I mean it’s a semi auto shotgun that you can happen to turn into a pump action shotgun

I mean it’s a horrible gun but it’s not cause it’s complex

[static lark]

I mean yeah I get that (even though I don’t agree with it)

[shrewd needle]

That's honestly not how it's supposed to work, TBF.

The fact that it is that way shows how horrendous the weapons in S2 are.

[static lark]

I mean a 7.62 is gonna hit you just about the same whether it’s coming out of a bullpup or a conventional rifle it don’t matter

[stuck seal]

I guess people forget that stalker is science fiction

[shrewd needle]

Yep. Any 7.62 X 54 weapon should be doing same damage with slight variances.

[static lark]

But I also understand it’s a game and the rule of cool is gonna win

[shrewd needle]

With real weapons except for the Gauss Rifle.

And again, old games had this.

[static lark]

I mean I’m glad that the bullpups are the “best” ones bullpups are cool imo

[stuck seal]

It’s not even rule of cool, it’s how the assault rifle and DMR in halo have the same caliber but do way different things altogether

[static lark]

It’d suck if I’d have went all the way to get the Dnipro and it was just a reskinned AKS74

[stuck seal]

Different weapons for different purposes in the sandbox

[shrewd needle]

Halo doesn't have real weapons, and honestly, having the same bullet and doing different damage is a skill issue of developers not understanding guns.

[static lark]

Well that’s how guns work in real life… I mean if I have a Scar-H chambered in 308 with a 18in barrel then it’s gonna have different ballistics than a Remington R700 with a 24in barrel

They’re the same caliber yes but caliber isn’t the only factor when it comes to guns, different barrel lengths cause different ballistics

[stuck seal]

It’s less about understanding guns and more about understanding the sandbox

Realism doesn’t matter in a game primarily about arena pvp combat in the similar style of quake

[shrewd needle]

We both know all the guns in S2 have relatively the same barrel lengths for the same category of weapon. You don't have the AK-74 having a longer or shorter barrel than the Malyuk enough to make a difference.

S2 literally does not have barrel differences beyond 1 inch at most. And for all intents and purposes, a Malyuk and an AK, due to having similar barrel lengths, should do the same damage (with variances to account for the difference in barrel manufacturing, tolerances, quality and so on).

[stuck seal]

I guess if you want realistic calibers then I would recommend Arma

I play Arma and it’s really good

[shrewd needle]

Again, it existed in the original games. Realism mattered and it worked.

[static lark]

I mean seeing how irl the Malyuk is literally just a AK74 that’s been put in a polymer casing and then had a trigger linkage yeah

The whole point of having a bullpup is to take a full length rifle keep the same ballistic performance but make it shorter by moving everything that makes the rifle a rifle back

[shrewd needle]

Yea, so your example about 16 vs. 24 barrel is moot. We're not talking about attaching full/extended length barrels and then comparing damages. We're talking about stock weapons that have normal AR barrels.

[stuck seal]

I wouldn’t exactly say that after playing all three trilogy games

[static lark]

I responded to him talking about how in Halo the ar and sniper use the same caliber but have different effects

It wasn’t even talking about stalker I was just telling him that yeah bullets work that way

[shrewd needle]

Ah, fair. I got confused there for a bit.

[stuck seal]

Well the thing is in halo the assault rifle and dmr also share roughly the same barrel length

[static lark]

Idk I don’t know halo weapons like that

Also it’s Bungie/343 we all know they don’t know how a gun works

[stuck seal]

I was giving an example of how two weapons that are realistically identical don’t act that way because the game isn’t made that way

[static lark]

Which do you play?

I tried ArmA3 but I just couldn’t do it

[shrewd needle]

Yes, and thus, the game needs a change. Which is where we differ, I guess.

[stuck seal]

It’s rather simple, a game is made with gameplay in mind and not yorkin it to a middle aged man in a video essay about how this one specific round is the second coming of Man while a round used on the other side of the world is the antichrist

[static lark]

I’m the ultimate fence sitter rn because I understand why some people want the guns to be more “realistic” but at the same time I do not care because my Dnipro is one of the best guns in the game and I like it cause it’s cool

I wish I could have a Malyuk irl too bad no one in America makes one or makes a kit

[stuck seal]

I think it’s more the fact that people are expecting stalker to be something that the devs aren’t going to make it because that wasn’t their vision

This is what gamma does to the western audiences (I know it’s more than just gamma but in generalizing)

[static lark]

I mean I’m all for realism when it comes to ballistics

But at the same time it’s a game… a game set in the Chornobyl Exclusion Zone where there’s literal invisible things, ghosts, zombies, and other fun anomalous things

[shrewd needle]

If a real weapon does not behave realistically, then...well...

An AK should hit like an AK and not like a Makarov.

[tardy rain]

yea, agree. Why does the 20" barrel do more damage than the 16.5" barrel? Because gameplay mechanics, not realism. IRL there ain't shit you can do to a gun to make it more killy

[static lark]

“Buh I want my science fiction game that has ghosts, monsters, zombies, vampires, etc to be realistic”

[static lark]

It depends on the bullet but a 20” barrel could make a bullet have more muzzle velocity which would in turn make it fly faster towards your target

[shrewd needle]

Maybe we should make it half the gravity. After all, it's just a game, right? Why have realistic gravity? or realistic lighting? Or realistic movement? Or anything?

[stuck seal]

Now I will agree, I do like some realism in stalker, to give it a more survival feeling, horror, challenge, having to face the elements, the monsters, the people, insurmountable odds. I think stalker should have realistic elements, but not try to be realistic

[shrewd needle]

But anyways...Better Ballistics FTW. Needed to be vanilla, but I'll take what I can get.

[static lark]

I mean it doesn’t really matter we’re getting into minutiae because a bullets gonna mess you up no matter what but there are marginal changes to bullet ballistics when it comes to different barrels even down to the twist rate of the rifling and the type of rifling it has

[nimble shore]

realisms never mattered much to me, I'm most interested in the strange paranormal stuff and roleplaying.

Some healthy realism helps make the supernatural feel more standout however, but going too far rubs me the wrong way

[stuck seal]

I’m most interested in getting absolutely smashed and jump butt first into a portal anomaly

[static lark]

I agree with what Rocking said if I honestly wanted ultra realism I’d just play arma, but I don’t want that I wanna explore this wacky zone

[charred nova]

And yet we got no Aug

[shrewd needle]

Decanus should've been here. He'd be arguing for 100% realism like he did with me.

[stuck seal]

I think stalker 2 does a good job, a healthy balance of arcade and non arcade elements. Not a great job, I think some things are little too arcadey but that’s personal preference, but a good job

[charred nova]

The bull pup of bull pups

[static lark]

The two bullpups we have are both in 5.45 for some reason

[stuck seal]

Dawg I heard you like bullpups so I bullpupped your bullpup so you can have more bullpup with your bullpup

[static lark]

Why would you do this GSC? I get I can change their calibers but GSC the Tavor is usually standardly 5.56 why did you make it 5.45 when you have the DNIPRO RIGHT THERE

[nimble shore]

When I have problems with realism in 2, its more because it feels weird compared to the older games. I wouldn't mind a 5.45 magically dealing double damage with another rifle in any other game, but the other games primed me for the thought that caliber does most of the heavy lifting

[shrewd needle]

Because 'gameplay' instead of realism. 😏

[charred nova]

Add Aug and 1895 browning lever action

[nimble shore]

Stronger bullets weigh more, weaker guns of the same caliber have lower accuracy, more recoil, smaller clips w/e

[stuck seal]

Also fora is a fictional version of fort pretty sure so it’s a conversion

Just like the fora 12 in the trilogy

[shrewd needle]

AUG in Counter-Strike. Don't need.

[tardy rain]

oh 100%. And would it make any measurable difference in a combat scenario between two people shooting at each other? Nah

There's a million other variables at play that are more significant, and whilst there are edge-cases where it could have an effect, they're few and far between

[stuck seal]

Yeah it would, one of them has the longer barrel and would say “mines longer than yours” and the other guy would drop his gun and strangle the other

[charred nova]

Don’t make much difference in a world where everyone is 100m away

[static lark]

GSC why did you add the Mosin? It’s not even the right Mosin they added a M38 Mosin (a carbine) and then put the PU bolt and scope on it

[charred nova]

[static lark]

GSC THATS NOT THE SNIPER MOSIN WHY DID YOU DO THAT

[charred nova]

I call bro on the phone but no one pick up

He was 120m away

[stuck seal]

“Where were you when stalker dead”
“I was at home, I cry”

[charred nova]

If a bullet exits the 100m range did it even get fired?

🤔

[stuck seal]

If a stalker shoots 101 meters away, does anyone hear it?

[static lark]

GSC add in the VHS-2 and my life is yours

[stuck seal]

GSC should troll us and add a bunch of new guns except if you try to use any of them they explode and kill you

[stuck seal]

Which one is that one again

[static lark]

Also is it just me or does everyone just not use the 5.56 guns in the game? Why would I choose a Fharod, Fora, or 417 over my AK or my Dnipro?

[static lark]

Croatian Bullpup, they’re sold in America as the Springfield Hellions

[charred nova]

It’s from the balkans oh god

[graceful dirge]

true stalkers are warsaw pact enjoyers not Natoids

[nimble shore]

Warsaw 4ever (I say, knowing nothing about guns other than that the ak is cool)

[charred nova]

Warsaw pack ain’t shit

[stuck seal]

I feel like 556 and 545 are equally as common so it’s all up to preference or if you’re part of a faction, whatever local logistics you got

[static lark]

Well the company who makes them basically just clones other guns, they also make the VHS-D which is just a FAMAS F1

[charred nova]

https://www.hs-produkt.hr/render-image/app/images/fffd4695-cab5-4416-b94a-606826068531.webp

Okay

Yah it’s got famas look

[stuck seal]

2balkan4thezone

[charred nova]

It’s cool though

[static lark]

No like the first gun the dude who created it made is literally just a FAMAS clone

[charred nova]

Looks like they combined a famas and a hk416

[static lark]

AHHHH I CANT POST THE PICTURE NOOOO

[charred nova]

Dm me it

I’ll post it for you

[static lark]

Just did

[charred nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1404526650518933537/1404526688737558629/IMG_1026.jpg?ex=689b82e9&is=689a3169&hm=660d0bc54aaf5febed3e02ffeafc5175b7f7f89a35c6b397f4c1e5a81a83119c&

[static lark]

Literally just a Croatian FAMAS clone

[shrewd needle]

FAMAS F1. With under-rail.

[static lark]

But yeah no the VHS-2/Springfield Hellion is cool add it to the game GSC I beg

[charred nova]

I’ll give you that it’s actually really cool

[static lark]

If you’re not gonna add the AUG add the Hellion

One of my favorite fictional bullpup designs is the Bulldog from Metro Exodus

I don’t think it’d actually work irl but it looks cool

[charred nova]

Give us that thing

And the 1895 browning

[static lark]

What the Bulldog?

[charred nova]

Nah

[static lark]

The hellion?

[charred nova]

The vhs-2

[static lark]

Yeah gimme

[charred nova]

You have convinced me

[static lark]

But why would you want a 1895 Browning Lever Action?

It’s just a Mosin but… lever action practically…. I mean if we’re using the Russian contract ones they shoot the same bullet and hold the same amount of ammo

[charred nova]

Because it’s most common form was in 7.62x54r

And it’s way cooler than the mosin

[static lark]

That’s cause it was a Russian contract and that’s the only thing the Russians had

looks at Russian gun design from 1880-1930
Every caliber: 7.62

[charred nova]

It’s just really cool

Most unique lever action

And it would make sense in the zone

[weary hedge]

Gimme an elephant rifle to turn mutants into paste

[static lark]

Like Jesus you have 7.62x54r, 7.62x25, 7.62x38mmR

These are all real rounds btw used by the Russian empire and the Soviets for their rifles and handguns

[charred nova]

Well those other ones are dumb

We only care about 54r

[static lark]

DONT YOU DARE CALL 7.62x38mmR dumb. The Nagant Revolver is the coolest revolver ever created (only suppressable revolver too)

[light crag]

Dlc Update 1.9 or 10.10 ?

[static lark]

And yeah 7.62x25 is stupid idk why they used that

[shrewd needle]

Don't need that. Just used a fixed RPG. Current RPG is meh.

[static lark]

Fun fact the Nagant Revolver and the Mosin-Nagant were both designed/co-designed by Belgian Industrialist Léon Nagant

[weary hedge]

Rpg is indeed meh

[stuck seal]

Yeah rpg buff I feel is needed

[static lark]

Made by a Mormon American guy and then sold to Russians who used it to kill Germans

[shrewd needle]

It's why I just prefer Gauss Rifle...when RPG can't end a Chimera in 2 shots, there's a major skill issue with the weapon.

Also, I remember vanilla Chimera fight, was not funny.

[weary hedge]

If it had a bigger blast radius it might be more viable but it’s a weapon you’ll almost never use

[stuck seal]

Last time I checked it’s a 4 shot kill against the chimera

[shrewd needle]

It also needs a scope; iron sights = 🤮

[static lark]

GSC add the Nagant Revolver and my life is yours (it won’t happen but it’d be pretty cool)

[stuck seal]

I don’t think a scope would be useful if you’re limited to 100m

[shrewd needle]

That requires surviving the Chimera's attacks.

[shrewd needle]

The iron sights are garbage.

[weary hedge]

Gauss rifles good but an elephant rifle would make a good early game option.

A lot of the mutants pre updates were a force to be reckoned with

[static lark]

The mutants now are kinda just a nuisance more than a threat imo

[hallow shadow]

The Blind Dogs are still crackheads.

[static lark]

Like the bloodsuckers are just annoying now more than anything

[hallow shadow]

I don’t understand how a Blind Dogs knows that I’m aiming at it.

[stuck seal]

And the snorks still break your ankles for no reason

[hallow shadow]

Then, begins to run around all erratically.

[shrewd needle]

BB does short work of them. It's essential to make weapons realistic (and usable).

[static lark]

And yeah the Snorks are just annoying too

[weary hedge]

I’m probably one of the few but i actually enjoyed how busted bloodsuckers were. Like these are mfs you don’t wanna fight lol

[nimble shore]

I hate the bloodsuckers, they went from creepy rare encounters, to a chore that knocks you over, then forces you to trade blows until they die

and its very hard to just, run from them

[static lark]

You don’t even have to trade blows with them anymore imo now you just dump like 15 rounds into them and they fall over

[stuck seal]

Laughs in saiga

[hallow shadow]

Snorks are fun, in my opinion.
A freaky little time.

But the dogs/rats that intentionally act in a way that rats and dogs do not behave.

Weirds me out. Artificial difficulty.

[nimble shore]

if I have a SPAS, sure. But when you're stuck with a double barrel and viper

[weary hedge]

Literally. Most of the time I don’t even get hit anymore

[hallow shadow]

Bloodsuckers bother me because “Oh. I’m invisible, and can stun lock you”

[static lark]

Yeah it’s not even a hard to beat them kinda thing

[nimble shore]

its just annoying

[static lark]

It’s just “haha you can’t walk watch me run around you and miss every hit I throw”

[nimble shore]

also, master mode + getting stunned in front of a pack of 5 bloodsuckers
misery

[static lark]

And idk if it’s just me but they’re easier to find even when they’re invisible imo

[stuck seal]

You’re lucky if they keep missing, I sprint away from their lunges and they still get me

[static lark]

I get hit maybe 2-3 times by the time I dump half my mag into them

[weary hedge]

It’s so easy to spot them. They need a buff😂

[shrewd needle]

What patch nerfed mutants?

[static lark]

The dogs are just annoying

[hallow shadow]

I was in Lesser Zone, trying to do Lost Boys (where you run past that village with the Loner calling for help?)
Two bloodsuckers.
One was doing the normal dashing around, the other just stood on me, and kept swiping.

[static lark]

Snorks are annoying

[weary hedge]

I can’t remember. It was very early on tho due to how many people complained off rip

[nimble shore]

Dogs are super easy, until one gets a bite off and now they're coming from every direction

[shrewd needle]

I'm on 1.1.3 and die to Bloodsuckers pretty easily unless I wipe them as soon as they show up in my face.

[charred nova]

Browning was a fire arms wizard

[static lark]

We already have one of his designs in the game (Kora-1911 my beloved)

[hallow shadow]

Dogs also get to just respawn at your ankles.
When the player jumps up onto something, they disappear.
Once the player hops down 5/7 will come running, 1/7 is still hiding, and the last one spawns right behind your legs.

[static lark]

Technically every self loading pistol is sorta his design

[nimble shore]

we should also remember, not only are mutants more tanky, they're way slippery than the other games. Dogs woggle all over the place when aimed at, bloodsuckers transition from all fours to on hinds, and will run in wide turns around you

[weary hedge]

Ahhh if you can spot them before they get close to you. They go down fairly easily.

[hallow shadow]

Wake Up, by The Browning

[shrewd needle]

Spotting isn't the problem...shooting is. Too fast for me.

I just let them claw me and fire the G36 on fully automatic. Easy as pie.

[static lark]

I don’t like the G36….

[stuck seal]

I like that, though I would like if the suckers were more like hunters, they remind me more of the volatiles in dying light 2. Super tanky and aggressive killers

[static lark]

I wanted to love it so bad but like… it feels squishy I guess

[weary hedge]

Unreliable asf in my opinion

[shrewd needle]

G36 has the Beta C-Mag. LMG without the weight of the PKM.

[charred nova]

Yah why we need his last lever action

[static lark]

I mean you can put the 45 rounder on the Dnipro

[weary hedge]

Makes sense. I play a lot of comp games so my senses are up the wazoo so maybe I’m just overstepping

[hallow shadow]

Those dogs, I swear, have hitboxes smaller than their body.

I was playing last night, and I tagged a dog (with AKU, upgraded) got the headshot sound, and it still kept running circles around me.

[shrewd needle]

I'm pretty sure there's a big difference between 45 rounds and 100 rounds.

[static lark]

If I need more than 45 5.45 then I’m probably in a place I don’t need to be

[nimble shore]

Oh for sure, visually and gameplay-wise, mutants are way better in 2. They're just also really annoying lol

[hallow shadow]

5.45 isn’t necessarily a shit round.

[charred nova]

https://youtube.com/shorts/rwRsIh4QaEg?feature=shared

[shrewd needle]

It's not about 'needing' more than 45 rounds. It's about not having to reload after spending 45.

[charred nova]

Peak

[static lark]

Browning designed the 1873 in 3 weeks btw

[weary hedge]

Need

[hallow shadow]

They also make nice metal tunes.

[stuck seal]

When the bandits hear me shoot 50 rounds and are certain that I have to reload so they try to push me (I in fact do not need to reload)

[charred nova]

Dunno how they’d make it so you could fit a scope

[static lark]

He didn’t improve upon a design… he designed a gun from the ground up in 3 weeks.

[shrewd needle]

No, I have motor control issues too, but I don't have much problem in S2, even on Veteran. Just need enough ammunition.

In vanilla, I used to take them down using 2 magazines of the VSS Vintorez. Since BB, I use the G36.

[charred nova]

Not a ton of examples of 1895 with a scope

But I’m sure they could figure something out

[static lark]

You could put the goofy tube scopes from ww1 all the way on the left side so it’s not in the way of the ejection

[shrewd needle]

Exactly. Having 100 rounds on tap is just so much better than normal 30-45-round magazines.

[charred nova]

I know they had that in bf1 but I can’t find a photo of a real example of that

[weary hedge]

Hell yeah. That’s why I horde up ammo like crazy. It’s the most important thing in stalker 😂

[shrewd needle]

Same. But I've had issues with weight and the game crashing. Because apparently, optimization is not a strong suit these days of developers.

Also, Rostok personal chest = truly bugged. Major memory leak moment.

[weary hedge]

Yeah weight is a real downer in S2 which is why I don’t bring food and a pistol and limit myself on medical supplies

[hallow shadow]

That’s why I’m afraid to progress too far in this game.

[static lark]

They probably just didn’t use them as snipers in WW1

[shrewd needle]

No, weight is fine for me (I use a trainer for zero weight and no regrets).

But game crashes with too many items. And that's the major problem, else I'd be hauling thousands of rounds of ammunition.

[hallow shadow]

I’m a little more than acutely aware that beyond Swamps, things that getting bugged.

[charred nova]

Like I’ve seen some with the scope mounted on the slide

Which I’m not sure how exactly that works

[static lark]

Why would you when you also have mosins, a mosin would theoretically be more accurate and it already shoots slower, give the other guys in the trenches the lever action

[charred nova]

Maybe you gotta move your head every time

lol

[static lark]

John Moses Browning teach me your ways

[shrewd needle]

Be a necromancer.

[static lark]

How does one design a firearm from the ground up in under 3 weeks

Given it was just a lever action but still

[charred nova]

It was similar to other designs of the time

So maybe he just looked at something similar and made it a little bit better

Not every design is a masterpiece

[static lark]

then he designed the first slide operated pistol

[charred nova]

He made for it with his final lever action for sure

[static lark]

In 1900 then by 1911 he just perfected it and now like 90% of pistols use the same operating principle

Cause yk why not

Makes a machine gun that goes on to be used like 120 years later

[weary hedge]

Same. Crashing seems to still be a big issue with mods. Hope the fix the optimization soon

[charred nova]

Have you seen the alien pistol?

[static lark]

What alien pistol?

Or do you mean the FN1900?

[charred nova]

It’s literally called the alien

[weary hedge]

Bro wtf is this😂

[charred nova]

It’s made by laugo

[static lark]

delete this.

[nimble shore]

put it in the game NOW

[charred nova]

It uses a completely unique gas operation

[static lark]

It looks like a war crime

[charred nova]

And is extremely desired for comp shooting

[hallow shadow]

Looks like it.

[weary hedge]

Hell yeah love me some comp guns. What is the gas operation look like?

[static lark]

John Moses Browning rolling in his grave

It looks like if a Glock had a baby prematurely

[charred nova]

https://youtu.be/rbGCL3iRm2Y?feature=shared

[static lark]

Like the baby Glock didn’t have enough time to form

[charred nova]

It’s apparently better than a Glock

[static lark]

No it looks like a CZ75 didn’t have enough time to form

i don’t like it.

[charred nova]

Though they are apparently not very easy to get as production is slow but maybe that’s changed idk

[static lark]

Well it’s Czech so

[hallow shadow]

It looks funny, but it also looks like it could reach out and touch someone.

[static lark]

See Americans do know flags

At least i do cause im a nerd

[shrewd needle]

Actually looks impressive.

[charred nova]

It apparently is

[weary hedge]

The future is now. I like the interior design it has. I would honestly use one lol

[shrewd needle]

I'd take it over the 'same'-looking guns everyone makes.

[charred nova]

If you can get one try it out see if all the reviews are true

[static lark]

It looks like it wants to die

I don’t know how to feel

[charred nova]

Idk why you hate it so much it doesn’t look that crazy

[shrewd needle]

It looks beautiful.

[charred nova]

Extremely simple

[weary hedge]

Bet. I’ll look into it

[charred nova]

Apparently it’s like 5k dollars so uh

Maybe not

💀

[hallow shadow]

I don’t like how much the slide hangs over my hand. But. Does it come stock with that optic? Can I not have that?

[weary hedge]

It has a different take on astetics sure but in all reality it outperforms a lot of modern day guns

[static lark]

It looks like a 21st century Bergman design

[charred nova]

https://laugoarmsusa.com/product/laugo-arms-alien-creator-evolution-full-kit/

[weary hedge]

God damn that’s a wallet muncher. Makes sense tho

[static lark]

Not Bergman that’s the wrong goofy pistol

[hallow shadow]

It looks like one of Lara Croft’s pistols, just a little… Elongated.

[static lark]

The C93 that’s what I’m thinking about

So Borchardt

[weary hedge]

6 grand for a pistol? Yeah I’ll wait lol

[shrewd needle]

Well, competition pistol, so... 😔

The opposite of military/police shit.

[hallow shadow]

I want a pistol that can do what some of these rifles do.
Caliber conversion.

I want a Glock/Sig platform that I can make from 9x18-.45

[weary hedge]

Yeah the market fluctuates as the seasons go on and they manufacture more guns and come out with newer models. I’d take it for 4 grand if it gets that low

[shrewd needle]

Me doubt, but hopefully, you can. At least you can buy guns over there.

[static lark]

Ew… I don’t… I don’t like how the slide works

[hallow shadow]

Ahhh. My Indian friend.
I’m sorry you can only salivate over guns.

[shrewd needle]

Well...even the ones people might call ugly, like the OA-98.

[static lark]

Why would you design it like that…

[weary hedge]

Yeah we Americans are pretty lucky with the standards we have. I am well aware how strict gun policies are in most countries

[hallow shadow]

The SA 80 would like a word.

[shrewd needle]

Would I be demonized if I said I like the SA-80 too?

[static lark]

That’s just a AR-18 that’s been bullpupped btw

Also the AR18 is a based gun

Eugene Stoner strikes again

[hallow shadow]

I’ve heard it’s quite an unfun weapon.
I’m not English, and have never actually fired one.

But the British rifle is rumored to be dooky.

Just like the Colt M4 is kinda overrated.

I don’t mind Bullpup rifles.

[static lark]

Yeah no the SA80 is garbage

[hallow shadow]

They serve a purpose, and I believe in that purpose.

[weary hedge]

A lot of British rifles are unreliable as hell

[static lark]

Why do you think every European NATO member is just adopting the HK416

[hallow shadow]

I’ve only ever held one, downrange.
I’ve never seen it in action.

[static lark]

I still wish the British could’ve adopted the EM2

[weary hedge]

Cool looking guns tho

[hallow shadow]

I wish the U.S. Army would drop the M4, and pick up a 416

[static lark]

The EM2 is so cool

[shrewd needle]

TBF, I'd have liked to see the performance with the original cartridge before someone vetoed on the 5.56 X 45...

[static lark]

Well we have Sig now

[hallow shadow]

Blegh.

[charred nova]

I mean I just paid like 235 for some well used vice grips premium shit costs a premium price haha

[weary hedge]

Me too😂

[shrewd needle]

Isn't the SIG round supposed to be 'barrel burner'?

[static lark]

I still think the spear is dumb… why did we just remake the battle rifle but make it 10 times more complex for no reason

[shrewd needle]

Because defence contractors are poor and need money.

[weary hedge]

100% but I like to shoot for the bottom dollar. US market likes to fluctuate. I’ve got some pretty nice guns waiting for the right moment 😂

[hallow shadow]

Because the war on Terror was actually “A War For Defense Contractor Profits”

[static lark]

I don’t buy new guns unless I really really like them

[shrewd needle]

If you ever can, grab the FN EVOLYS for me (well, not literally, but you get it).

[hallow shadow]

We don’t have enough money to give our Joes a raise.
But we have enough to swap uniforms and firing platforms.

Make it make sense.

[shrewd needle]

Exactly. Those poor 'indie' companies needed some funds to start up.

[static lark]

Like the next gun I’m gonna buy is probably gonna be a Nagant Revolver from Rock Island Auction cause why not

[charred nova]

[static lark]

Also gun auctions are a cheat code, go to RIA right now… you can get like a bundle SKS deal for 200 bucks

[frigid hill]

zevtec has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[shrewd needle]

Oop.

[hallow shadow]

They issue you a Gerber, when you deploy.

[weary hedge]

My uncle actually has one of these. It’s a mf to control to say the least 😂

[hallow shadow]

W O L F ‘ D

Speaking of ugly guns.
How about the Fallout 4 10mm

[static lark]

I like the 10mm pistol

[hallow shadow]

Or any gun from FO4.

[static lark]

Especially when you put the heavy barrel or whatever on it

[charred nova]

The concept of the crunch was so fascinating I just had to have one

[weary hedge]

This. You’ll find a lot of ex comp folks looking to sell their guns for a fine price

[hallow shadow]

The 10mm doesn’t suck, it just looks like dirt.

[charred nova]

Even if a new one is worth like 600 fucken dollars

[static lark]

The F4 Assault Rifle is horrible

[charred nova]

[shrewd needle]

I thought the EVOLYS was much lighter and more controllable?

[charred nova]

Found a well used one for cheap and instantly ordered it

[hallow shadow]

EVO? Like, the scorpion?

[shrewd needle]

FN EVOLYS.

[hallow shadow]

That’s a beautiful weapon.

[static lark]

Pretty sure the Evolys is a LMG

[hallow shadow]

Ahhh. I’m thinking of an SMG

[weary hedge]

It is but i don’t mess with a lot of lmgs so its still something im not used to 😂

[shrewd needle]

Yes, and Zevtec said his uncle has one and it's a pain to control, which confused me.

[static lark]

It’s just a M249 but “new”

[shrewd needle]

Ah...fair. Would still take it, NGL.

[wooden walrus]

Scorpion? Like, the spiderman villain?!

[hallow shadow]

I’LL NOT HEAR A BAD WORD ABOUT A SAW

[shrewd needle]

It's still beautiful. And would take it.

[shrewd needle]

Yes. But a gun.

[hallow shadow]

I deployed with that baby. And an M9.

Nothing I trust more than a SAW. Just need a couple extra barrels.

[charred nova]

Okay let’s get real

When we getting the g11 in stalker 2

[static lark]

No.

[hallow shadow]

Scorpion EVO, from Ela’s character in R6 Siege

[weary hedge]

Very beautiful gun. I just prefer my semi rifles and shotguns

[shrewd needle]

In the next 69 millennium.

[shrewd needle]

Well, EVOLYS has semi-automatic, so...it's still good.

[static lark]

Repair Cost 989889462957691 Coupons

[charred nova]

We got a Gauss rifle but no g11

That’s not fair

[static lark]

I have tried my hardest to understand how the G11 works

[hallow shadow]

I prefer Semi.
Semi, or die.

[weary hedge]

Don’t it’s not worth it😂

[shrewd needle]

I prefer fully automatic at point-blank. Semi elsewhere.

[hallow shadow]

The G11?

[static lark]

I don’t mean to toot my own horn but I’d like to say I’m pretty competent when it comes to mechanical things and especially gun operation

[shrewd needle]

G11 = probably P90 mechanism but vertical?

[static lark]

I have no idea how the G11 works

[hallow shadow]

You mean that weird box thing?

[weary hedge]

Goofy rifle look it up

G11?

[hallow shadow]

From like.. When Ghost Recon was cool?

[shrewd needle]

Yes. 45-round caseless rounds.

[static lark]

Yes the polymer box that shoots caseless ammunition

[weary hedge]

And black ops 1

[shrewd needle]

Caseless good, NGL. Need moar.

[hallow shadow]

Caseless is wonderful.

[static lark]

@charred nova Please post the insides of the G11 for me

[shrewd needle]

It was in Global Operations; I remember it from there.

Under-rated game.

[shrewd needle]

Too bad it's not yet normalized. Unlike in Starfield.

[hallow shadow]

.300 blk with Caseless.

[weary hedge]

Oof. Miss this game

[shrewd needle]

Damn, you played it too? Cultured!

[hallow shadow]

Caseless makes sense, in space.

[static lark]

Cause caseless just isn’t there yet

[hallow shadow]

Not yet.

[weary hedge]

Hell yeah me and my buddies copped day 1

[shrewd needle]

Anywhere. Less weight and mass = good, regardless of space.

[hallow shadow]

But it sure could solve the “shooting underwater” problem.

[static lark]

Like come on what is that

[shrewd needle]

Noice! I miss playing that; IDK if it works on Windows 10.

[charred nova]

It’s 300 moving parts idk

[shrewd needle]

WTF is that resolution?

[weary hedge]

No idea. I’m sure there’s an emulator for it out there

[hallow shadow]

IF THIS HAD ANY FEWER PIXELS, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED RADIO

[static lark]

If I were to guess 420p

[shrewd needle]

It's a PC game, TBF...just that Windows 10 is unreliable as shit.

[shrewd needle]

Much better, thank you.

[hallow shadow]

What a nifty little hunk of metal.

[still current]

But canon outcome was him helping freedom if I'm not mistaken

[shrewd needle]

What was the G11's problem again? Cooking off?

[weary hedge]

Somebody woke up and said “ight this is good”

[static lark]

https://youtu.be/QGKcvM2Hh4g?si=n8cKXSh7DD65WY86

[hallow shadow]

Being ugly.

[static lark]

Gun Jesus doesn’t even know how it works

[shrewd needle]

But how? CoP had slides for all 3 outcomes, no?

[static lark]

Being too complex

[shrewd needle]

I'm being serious...IDK if the problem was cook-off or not.

[hallow shadow]

Complex, or unsustainable?

[static lark]

Yeah caseless ammo has a cookoff issue

[hallow shadow]

Hmm.

[shrewd needle]

Maybe heat-shield (internally) might help?

[hallow shadow]

Sounds like it needs an interior cooling system.

[shrewd needle]

And a ventilation system.

[hallow shadow]

Or, semi auto with low RoF.

[static lark]

Once you fire the gun a lot yk… the gun gets warm and when your entire round is propelled by explosives that aren’t protected by anything (like a case) then it causes issues

[weary hedge]

It was just a cluster of a weapon. Never should’ve hit the shelves 😂

[static lark]

Doesn’t help that the gun contains 300+ moving parts

[hallow shadow]

You can cook rounds off in a SAW.

[shrewd needle]

TBF, I'd take it. Just...as a completely semi-automatic weapon (due to safety issues). Or burst-fire, at most.

[hallow shadow]

Never look at the feed tray whe. You’re reloading an LMG.

[shrewd needle]

How do you reload without looking?

[static lark]

You can cook rounds off in anything, its just more prevalent when you don’t have a case which is why we don’t use caseless guns

[weary hedge]

I’ve seen someone cook eggs on one😂

[hallow shadow]

The “casing” of a caseless round is the propellant.

[charred nova]

The idea is sound

[static lark]

Yeah

[charred nova]

But…

[static lark]

Which is all explosive

[hallow shadow]

I wrapped turkey bacon (couldnt have pork) around my barrel, and cooked it.

[charred nova]

The problem is no one has figured out how to make the ammo not super fragile

[still current]

Yeah, I personally didn't delve into the siding with freedom then for an outcome to base S2 on. I'm taking crimson's word for it haha

[charred nova]

Like one dose of rain

And the ammo is no good

Or it dissolves

Or falls apart

[hallow shadow]

There would have to be an interior-cooling system.

[static lark]

And the only solution anyone has to this is by reinventing the case

[weary hedge]

Hell yeah. That’s some American shit🇱🇷Oorah!

[hallow shadow]

Or, Bullpup.
Keep the ammo further from where the receiver is firing off at?

[shrewd needle]

Crimson and Gajunas...never seen them in years.

But honestly, CoP has ending slides for all 3, so going by HoC, it seems Degtyarev achieved balance, and when all the stalkers left both factions, he threw Loki and Shulga out.

[charred nova]

Nah I’m sure there is a solution

But no one cares to find it

[static lark]

I’m saying that’s the only solution anyone has came up with yet

[charred nova]

Because you would need to solve larger issues first

That being cooling

[shrewd needle]

Maybe caseless ammunition needs directed conflagration.

[hallow shadow]

Weapons would have to be manufactured out of entirely new materials, as well as

[static lark]

It’s just easier to use regular cased ammo than to try and use caseless ammo

[shrewd needle]

Burning from inside out rather than outside in.

Maybe a layer of heat-resistant coating on the outside.

[hallow shadow]

The rifle, itself, would need to be a material dense enough for that kind of heat.

[static lark]

Like what brass?

[charred nova]

Chromium

[static lark]

Cause… that’s reinventing the casing

[shrewd needle]

I'm talking about caseless...using propellant that refuses to burn from outside in...maybe chemical engineering...

[static lark]

Like I said earlier the only solution anyone has found yet is by just turning the caseless ammo back into cased ammo

Cause a integral cooling system would make your guns heavy and more expensive

[hallow shadow]

I suggest an open-bolt system.

That way, your rounds aren’t just sitting in your hot star chamber.

Bullpup that bad boy.

[shrewd needle]

HAMR system, NGL.

[hallow shadow]

Open-bolt.
Ammo spends less time just hanging out by hot barrel.

[static lark]

I mean they’re still in a pretty hot area now your bolt is just open so if it does cook off it blows up in your face instead of in the barrel

[shrewd needle]

I know, I meant using the HAMR system...closed-bolt for first round, then open-bolt as it heats up.

[still current]

Honestly? No. The way it seems at first glance is him not helping any of the two sides and thus, them losing combatants and eventually weakening over time.

I still haven't given much time into S2 lore yet

[shrewd needle]

Yes, but considering neither Freedom, nor Duty exist at Yaniv in S2 (and how they've been 'relegated' to places), it seems they were thrown out of Yaniv.

[still current]

Extended lore I mean

[hallow shadow]

Open bolt is funny, though.

With the bolt forward, like a SAW, there’s NO WAY for the round to fire, and there is NO round in the chamber.

[shrewd needle]

True, but I'm just going by Yaniv itself...only the Corps and Loners exist there...no other factions at all.

[hallow shadow]

You cannot load a round unless you rack the bolt.

[static lark]

The tech just isn’t there yet

Caseless is cool but it creates more problems than it solves

[shrewd needle]

Ask CGPT to solve it. 😏

[hallow shadow]

If it sits forward, it’s because it’s already been fired.
Now, the bolt carrier group is locked in the forward position, and your magazine is tucked under your elbow.

Bullpup, open bolt.
Also. Some sort of internal cooling, or propellant redirection.

[static lark]

The rounds are fragile, cook-off is an issue, the rounds are expensive

[still current]

Which means they got no help from him and it's the ending that goes as following; deggy not helping both and reaching the point of them losing members to free stalkers and eventually losing hold over yaniv

[static lark]

And idk why you would bullpup it

[hallow shadow]

Cause it looks cool.

[static lark]

That just brings the area that’s prone to blowing up closer to where your face is

[shrewd needle]

Yep...but them actually evacuating Yaniv would only happen if they were literally thrown out, no?

It's not like they'd willingly just...leave. If they did, that'd be the day, NGL.

[hallow shadow]

Then mix the Bullpup.

An open bolt system could probably facilitate caseless better than the average closed bolt.

[shrewd needle]

Better blow up your own face and get free medical treatment than blow up your friend's face and be court-martialled for it.

[still current]

It's ward and the failure of the first true I think

Post zenith op

[hallow shadow]

I’m ts not free.

[static lark]

Were Americans we don’t have “free” medical treatment

[still current]

Unless I'm mixing things

[hallow shadow]

You get pinged for “megligence”
If you die, no SGLI, because you didn’t take care of gin. Have good day.

[hallow shadow]

Probably meant military free.

[shrewd needle]

That actually makes sense...Korshunov forcing them out of Yaniv, which is still eviction, but...yea. Maybe Degtyarev was also forced, since he signed the treaty too, apparently.

[static lark]

Still not really free

[shrewd needle]

Yes. Military/defence contractors would pay for treatment to avoid bad PR.

[static lark]

Then if you don’t die you get chewed out and you’re missing half your face now

[hallow shadow]

No they wouldn’t.

[static lark]

Cause in the military everything is always your fault and never commands fault

[hallow shadow]

They would blame the operator.

[shrewd needle]

Even if your rifle explodes? WTF?

[static lark]

Look at the whole sig situation going down

[hallow shadow]

Yes. It’s called “negligence”.

The military is never at fault. Always the individual.

As former MP, yea.

[shrewd needle]

I didn't read about SIG weapons exploding...or something, I might've missed some news.

[static lark]

Sig caused the death of a Airman about a month ago

[still current]

Well, as you can see, they are now using proxy war without direct confrontation. Kingpins to rule over slag heap and garbage region matter

[hallow shadow]

That’s why I like my Beretta 92FS.

[static lark]

And they denied it along with the military until the guys family threatened to sue and then they immediately took accountability

[hallow shadow]

Can’t accidentally shoot, because it’s not some namby pamby hammerless.

[shrewd needle]

Yea, true dat. And then there's the whole problem with Varan and Nestor as well.

[still current]

Since the ward is forcing the peace at that point

[shrewd needle]

F...may that guy/girl rest in peace.

[weary hedge]

How y’all feel about the Barrett MRAD. I can shoot that bad boy for hours. Truly such a gift

[static lark]

Please go look at Sig P320 prices

They can’t even give those things away anymore

[hallow shadow]

Sigs used to be pistols we gave to MPI.
Regular Joes had M9s.

[shrewd needle]

I'm only seeing news of a murder by someone using a SIG...just confused.

[static lark]

Yeah there was a dude earlier this week who shot another guy with his sig iirc

[still current]

Lore kinda feels lacking so many stuff, but you can basically interpret that both factions are waiting for the right moment to comeback. Picking ways to play under the ward's nose.

The whole zone seems to be on a verge of war

Bandits vs stalkers

[static lark]

Yeahhhh Sig is just kinda under a lot of fire

[still current]

And freedom vs duty again

[shrewd needle]

True. TBF, in that specific case, the Ward is doing everyone a favour, because otherwise, we'd have CS and SoC all over again.

[charred nova]

Yah too bad it all got cut am I right guys

[still current]

Yeah

[weary hedge]

Yeah it really is. Bad time to be in the zone

[shrewd needle]

F&D are basically kids with adult toys. They really should be put through boot camp.

Bandits and Loners have more maturity than either of those...

[static lark]

Didn’t Ward make everyone sign a Non-Agg pact?

[shrewd needle]

Yes. And that was a good thing, since all of them except the Corps and Noontide are idiots.

[static lark]

Which ward also attacked Noontide so yk forget the pact I guess

[weary hedge]

Now it is. A lot of duty was actually military affiliated in the beginning

[still current]

Well, ward isn't really the best one to manage peace.

[static lark]

Unless Noontide didn’t sign it

[shrewd needle]

Military = just kids with government backing. 😏

[shrewd needle]

Maybe, but it's not like there's anyone else. Corps is stretched thin, Noon is barely holding out against others...people like the Gaffer are far and few in between.

[weary hedge]

Yeah i was more commenting on ur bootcamp statement

[still current]

If we consider the current progression, the ward is far from being at their best shape

[shrewd needle]

Oh, no...I meant put them through Korshunov's boot-camp. Put them in their place.

[still current]

Spark deal was too much for them

Hehe

[static lark]

Did Noontide sign the Pact or?

Because Ward straight just attacks Noontide

[shrewd needle]

Ward could've been effective without Spark getting in the way.

[shrewd needle]

Yes, they did. Noon, Freedom, Duty and Corps, all 4 did. Loners have a deal with Korshunov in Zalissya.

[still current]

Not necessarily

Their means weren't the best

[static lark]

So then Ward broke the pact?

[still current]

Too much supremacy talk and looking down won't really help manage any form of peace but peace true arms

Which leads eventually to resuming the war

[shrewd needle]

Oh, I agree, but Ward is still far better (at least in terms of actually listening to people) than the military from the trilogy. Only in CoP did the military mellow out a bit (and even that was Kovalsky and his group)...

[still current]

[shrewd needle]

TBF, I think that's more the 'SIRCAA backers' pushing it. Korshunov looks tired of having to deal with the nonsense, NGL.

[weary hedge]

Clearly that’s why he shot Mr fancy suit😂

[still current]

Well, ofc, but korsh himself believed in what he did

[shrewd needle]

You mean Dalin?

[still current]

He was honest

To the fullest extent

[weary hedge]

Yes

[static lark]

I should probably finish my playthrough instead of being in here

[shrewd needle]

That's what I like about him...he can be rabid, but he won't lie about it. He'll say things as they are.

[still current]

Ward ending confirms that very thing

[weary hedge]

There’s a no spoilers chat

[static lark]

Cause I’m obviously missing some stuff

[still current]

And it's just him being manipulated tbh

[static lark]

Oh idc about spoilers im just missing some valuable information to contribute to this convo

[shrewd needle]

Well...Dalin is basically the 'kick the dog' guy...he gets kicked by everyone which is unfortunate, because he's genuinely trying to do better even if he makes mistakes.

And being killed by Korshunov is just pathetic, because he deserved better. Shows how SIRCAA will walk over anyone.

[static lark]

So like who’s the good guys here?

Who’s got the purest intention?

[shrewd needle]

No one. Everyone's bad in various ways.

[stuck seal]

Me, I’m perfect in every way

[weary hedge]

Oh i know. I think ward is a big shitshow. It’s quite unfortunate they had to be put in the predicament they were in

[shrewd needle]

Yep. I feel bad for him, how he's forced to just...suck it up.

And his utter silence with Agatha...like...obedience...I never understood that.

[static lark]

Like I get that Noontide almost 100% just turns into Monolith that’s kinda obvious

[shrewd needle]

Noontide got screwed by Dalin's mistake, but the plot is broken.

[still current]

If there is a dlc based on ward ending, I'd be interested to know his backmotives

[shrewd needle]

TBF, Ward is far better than the old Military, but yea...it's mostly politics that gets them killed.

[static lark]

But like… if Ward is just in it for themselves then I’m still siding with Noontide

[still current]

I sense like he had many reasons to abide

[nimble shore]

I wish there was an option to just, give up on the quest once Spark and Ward start pulling you around. Maybe after dealing with Faust

[weary hedge]

That’s not saying much. The military didn’t do nearly enough

[shrewd needle]

Too true. But I'm more worried about the way he abides. Whenever Agatha says something, he becomes silent and obedient, without a single word. Almost...robotic.

[shrewd needle]

You can't, because Faust keeps pulling you into further shit. And considering the Skif ending...well...

[still current]

Maybe so? Maybe he's an agent too

[shrewd needle]

No, what I'm saying is that the old Military would just shoot. No talk, no diplomacy, nothing.

Ward did that when they moved in, but even Korshunov is more amenable than the old Military guys.

[still current]

His bald head is unnaturally perfect for a non clone

[static lark]

Does Noon get screwed either way?

[shrewd needle]

I hate you so much right now. 😆

[static lark]

Wow so even if I side with Ward noon gets screwed, I’m siding with Noon forget you guys

[shrewd needle]

Noontide is doing fine after the treaty.

Then you and Dalin perform an experiment under SIRCAA that causes Noontide to become Monolith. So yes, they get screwed.

[stuck seal]

You kinda do that once you spend enough time having to listen to women

[shrewd needle]

It doesn't matter what path you choose; the experiment with SIRCAA is agnostic of that.

But, again, the plot is broken and what happened should not have been possible.

[static lark]

So basically nothing matters unless we get a dlc where they fix the plot

[shrewd needle]

I get the joke. But considering Skif says that she might not be a 'who' but a 'what'...it's possible she's not entirely human.

[static lark]

So fallout 3

[stuck seal]

People talk bout some fixing the plot

[still current]

it's lore accurate

How about I end up being right lmao

It would be legendary

[stuck seal]

Like I doubt anyone here can write better than paid individuals

[shrewd needle]

Yes.

Basically, people become Monolith because of the Monolith emitter. Dalin turns it on when Skif is at SIRCAA, but the emitter only affects Skif (everything else is shielded).

Then Dalin turns it off (definitively and permanently), meaning the Monolith can't be created.

But then Dalin performs the experiment and once the Generators come online, the Monolith is re-activated without any additional tinkering by Dalin or anyone.

So that's a major plot breakage, because that should not have happened at all.

[still current]

We'll get that, I hope

[shrewd needle]

If you're right, I'll admit you should replace Voronin. Unconditionally.

[still current]

Ask GSC to officially introduce me as the true general if a faction war is to take place in coming updates

[shrewd needle]

Would totally support it, NGL.

[still current]

Sign a petition if you have to

[nimble shore]

roleplaying that after Sircaa skif goes mad and becomes a bandit

[feral horizon]

You think gsc shouls put dead city in stalker 2 like how they made generators canon?

[shrewd needle]

Even if you're not right, Voronin's really not doing much, so...would gladly take a change.

[still current]

NFT at its finest

[nimble shore]

they also added truck cemetery, which was cute to see

[shrewd needle]

Uh...Generators were always canon, though? They didn't exist in SoC due to map size limits, I guess.

[feral horizon]

It was cut from stalker soc like dead city.

[shrewd needle]

Yes, but it existed in the lore, and CoP expands on that by adding X7 references. So the Generators were always canon.

[static lark]

I just want my Noontiders to not die

Why can’t the coolest factions stay alive, its like this in every game

[shrewd needle]

There's no choice with the current plot; no matter who you side with, Noontide dies because they're now the Monolith.

And I doubt GSC will ever fix the plot, unfortunately.

[nimble shore]

mod where you can just shoot Dalin and Faust during their introductions so the plot never happens

[stuck seal]

You’ve been saying this for the past day

[nimble shore]

we win!!!!!!!

[shrewd needle]

No. Shoot SIRCAA backers.

[static lark]

Is it not true

[nimble shore]

Sircaa's kickstarter backers, of course....

[shrewd needle]

Dalin's innocent. Faust is...well...enigmatic.

[stuck seal]

It is not because the coolest factions are always alive

[shrewd needle]

Patreon too. Maybe add Visa and MasterCard to that as well.

[static lark]

Wow man Duty is so cool

[shrewd needle]

And finally...the almight PayPal.

[stuck seal]

They’re not

[shrewd needle]

They're so cool, they're right next to the Cooling Towers. 😏

[feral horizon]

I still would like dead city to be in s2.

[static lark]

So they are making DLCs?

[stuck seal]

Nah

[shrewd needle]

NGL, Burnt Forest is basically dead to everyone, so...RP it as the Dead City.

Jupiter is also dead, and so is Pripyat, TBF.

Barely found anyone in Jupiter...just a ghost town.

[static lark]

50 thousand people used to live here

Whatever else he says in that MW Monologue

[shrewd needle]

I mean not even stalkers/Bandits/Duty/Freedom/Corps. Just literally empty.

[static lark]

I was making a call of duty reference

[shrewd needle]

I know. I've played it. And I will never touch CoD again.

[static lark]

I don’t play the new ones

[shrewd needle]

I played the original CoD and the original MW. Hated both.

Too linear and pushy.

[feral horizon]

How? Also they can make dead city part of limansk in dlc.

[static lark]

So are they making dlc or are we coping

[shrewd needle]

It was a reference to just how dead Burnt Forest is...I know it's not literally the Dead City.

[shrewd needle]

They say they are, but I'm calling it copium.

[static lark]

GSC bring back Noontide and my soul is yours

[nimble shore]

totally making a dlc which adds multiple new factions routes through the base game
and not duty vs freedom again in jupiter

[hallow shadow]

Blegh. Duty.

You mean Doody.

[nimble shore]

if i'm correct i'm gonna be so sad

[static lark]

$60 paid DLC that just adds a fix to the ending

[shrewd needle]

I mean...the fact that they re-introduced Monolith after CoP is saying a lot, NGL.

[static lark]

Ah we’re playing out of bethesdas book now