tech-deals-discussion

[thin bolt]

What’s your budget

[twilit hornet]

800$ max

[thin bolt]

You mind building it yourself? Or do you want a prebuilt?

https://www.jawa.gg/product/63849/glacier-forge-microatx-pc-or-rtx-3060-ti-or-ryzen-5600x-or-16gb-ram-or-1tb-nvme-or-wifi-and-windows-11
here’s one, not the greatest, but it’s less than $800.

[twilit hornet]

I don’t mind either, but I noticed that prebuilds were cheaper

[twilit hornet]

The website isn’t loading

[thin bolt]

Are you in the US?

[thin bolt]

Prebuilts are only cheaper on a discount.

[twilit hornet]

I’m currently on a trip somewhere else

[thin bolt]

Ah. Jawa is an American company so that haven’t branched out quite yet.

I’ll build you a list, and you should get more value in buying components and building yourself.

[uncut portal]

Any mouse deals or budget mouses that are worth to buy?

[thin bolt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9Y3M2x
@twilit hornet
Try to get a 6700xt, 2080ti, or 3070 with the rest of the money.

Get the PSU refurbished from Corsair, and the CPU from aliexpress.

[thin bolt]

Redragon usually has good ones.

[uncut portal]

Idk much abt them, do u have a specific one in mind?

[bold willow]

8400f is $80 on aliexpress

lose a few frames but also $40 less

[twilit hornet]

Thanks 🙏

[tiny heron]

@skyveha I've been using a red dragon for a bit now. For the price it performs great

[thin bolt]

612 is good, I’m using that currently, got it off woot for $14

Good responsiveness, good RGB customization, etc.

[thin bolt]

Nah, the $40 is worth it for the compute speed.
You’re also losing 2 cores and 4 threads

[fair moon]

8400f is still 6c12t

However it has half the L3 cache (16mb vs 32 on the 7500F)

Longevity wise I think the 7500f is probably the better play, probably leaves more room for a gpu upgrade before needing a cpu upgrade as well

[thin bolt]

This

[orchid thunder]

What one do i get

I have a 6700xt rn

There’s a refurbished 3080, 6950XT, 4070 and 6900xt or do i wait for a new 7800xt for cheap?

[tawdry dragon]

If you're not too in need of an upgrade you could wait probably a year for the 9070xt to be normal prices

6950xt is pretty nice though

[orchid thunder]

ok ima prob do 6950xt

[thin bolt]

4070 wouldn’t be bad, neither would the 6900xt

[orchid thunder]

Im thinkin abt 6950xt or 4070

[orchid thunder]

theres also a 3080 ti for 550

[thin bolt]

Grab that.

[orchid thunder]

is it that much better than 4070??

[fair moon]

4070 is closer to a 3080 non-ti I believe

[orchid thunder]

what is 3080 ti closer to

cuz there are 3080s and 1 3080 ti but i dont get money till tomorrow and its gonna be like $570 so i dont think it will even be enough for the ti

or i can get a brand new 7800xt for 520

UGGH this is so hard bru

[fair moon]

Ok at least according to the Toms hardware chart, 4070 is in between the 3080 10gb and 3080 12 gb, then the 3080ti is a bit above that

[orchid thunder]

Ok

[orchid thunder]

is there a 1080p one

thats what i use rm

plan to get 1440p in a few months

[fair moon]

There is a 1080p one but I'd just use the 1440p chart

[orchid thunder]

Ok

[fair moon]

More suitable for that range of gpu

[thin bolt]

The 1080p chart is hardware limited(CPU) so the 1440p is better.

[orchid thunder]

so the 7800xt is better than all of em?

or atleast around the same

[fair moon]

Itll have better raster but worse raytracing and upscaling

[orchid thunder]

I dont think ive used raytracing

[fair moon]

If it's $520 vs $550+ for an Nvidia card id probably get the 7800xt

[orchid thunder]

i currently have 6700 xt so i have no clue

[orchid thunder]

4070 is 500 refurbished

[fair moon]

Eh

[thin bolt]

I’d get the 7800xt

[fair moon]

Look at some of the deals bacca posted in tech deals

They're probably gone now but those were some good prices

[orchid thunder]

theres also 6900 xt for 450 but idk

[orchid thunder]

they are

[fading bear]

I found a 3060 for 145 is that good

[torpid night]

Scam

[fair moon]

Yeah I'd agree likely scam, assuming that's USD

[thin bolt]

@fading bear

[torpid night]

That’s a scam

[delicate lake]

Did brotha man buy it

[zenith lantern]

How much do 3060 go for nowadays

[twilit hornet]

300-500

[cursive sage]

3060? Really?

that can’t be right, $500?

If it is USD

[orchid thunder]

on newegg there 300-400

[tawdry dragon]

They're worth $200 max imo, you can get a used 3070 for around 250

[zenith lantern]

I have new 3060 for sale

Have it on FB marketplace but no takers for $200

[winter fulcrum]

Anyone know a cheap(er) 7800 XT or similar value

[trim pier]

I am planning on selling my 7800xt :)

[trim pier]

I saw a 3070 for 200 should of gotten it tbh. But put price at $1 and have people offer for it

[orchid thunder]

What u upgrading to

[trim pier]

9070xt

[orchid thunder]

I can’t even find any that are like 700 or more

[trim pier]

Well my microcenter might have a 9070xt for 600

[orchid thunder]

Ah

lucky

[trim pier]

But it’s just 1 left

[orchid thunder]

You live near a micro center

[trim pier]

So it could be oos for all we know

[trim pier]

Tax here is 8.5% though

[orchid thunder]

still a cheat code bruh

[trim pier]

I guess so

[winter fulcrum]

how much

[delicate lake]

Nah I think mc is pretty accurate

[tawdry dragon]

Sales tax is 8.9% where I am

[delicate lake]

6%

[trim pier]

https://computers.woot.com/offers/msi-geforce-rtx-4070-super-12g-ventus-2x?ref=w_cnt_wp_0_5

600$ 4070 super in white

not a deal but like in this economy?

[lament ingot]

Are u kidding, that's msrp

[trim pier]

oh

[lament ingot]

Buy as many as you can💀

[trim pier]

#tech-dealsthen?

[lament ingot]

Probably

That is beyond a deal rn

[trim pier]

@lament ingot I got cooldown'd

could you post?

[lament ingot]

Yea

Alrighty

[trim pier]

should I sell the 7800xt quick

then get the 4070s

[fading bear]

Nope it was a 3060m with 6gb of vram

[torpid night]

A 3060M? That doesn't fit in a desktop lol

[fading bear]

I realized that before I got rlly excited

[fair moon]

They do actually have some that have been diy converted to desktop cards

[shut lava]

I've seen the laptop GPUs on a PCB converted to work with a PCIE X16 desktop slot. They are popular in China and they were popular for mining cards.

I thought some US vendors sold them too. You may be able to still find them on AliExpress.

[torpid night]

It's a thing yeah but I personally wouldn't do it

Kinda jank and it's still not a full 3060

A genuine 3060 for $150 would be a wild find though

[orchid thunder]

Why is a refurbished 7800 xt $600

[severe jolt]

GPU market is pretty much screwed

[orchid thunder]

Is it cuz the 102 tariffs

Ig i was a day late 😭

Idk what to do bruh

[stoic crest]

no

a refurb is not affected by tariffs

it's just markup

[severe jolt]

Everything is way expensive rn

[fair moon]

It is though. New GPUs being more expensive means the used market rises as well

(not soley due to tarrifs, also stock, but yeah)

[stoic crest]

that's reasonable

[orchid thunder]

I just got 5070 for $600

[stoic crest]

yikes

[orchid thunder]

9070s are non existent

And everything prob gonna go up😭

And tariffs on china are now 125%

[trim pier]

No clue tbh

[winter fulcrum]

ggs

[delicate lake]

What yall think the 9060 xt is gonna cost

[modern lark]

https://computers.woot.com/offers/sapphire-nitro-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx
If it lets me post
Here's a higher end card from last gen for 999

[tawdry dragon]

$329

[fair moon]

I'd guess $400 msrp before any tariff stuff, assuming the nvidia 5060ti is 450ish

maybe 375msrp, but you likely won't find it for msrp anyways

[delicate lake]

A rumor going around saying 430 for the 16g sku

I bet you amd is gonna do -30

Assuming this is true

Ok apparently it launches next week bro what

[fair moon]

I could see 430 accounting for tarrif stuff

8g a bit cheaper

[bold willow]

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-9600-xt.c30

[heady jasper]

It happens because demand for refurb goes up when the prices of new goes up.

[fair moon]

^

[trim pier]

https://home.woot.com/offers/squishmallows-14-inch-marill-pokemon-plush-4?ref=cnt_wp_0_2

Whoever loves marill

[trim pier]

a person who buys goods and sells them at a higher price from Montana bought 3+ laptops within the first 10 minutes 😭

[daring depot]

scalping is a risky and unloved business

which is truly a shame. youd think companies would be trying to hype up scalpers

[winter fulcrum]

anyone got a cheaper 7800 xt or equivalent

👀

[tawdry dragon]

He bought over 25

[fair moon]

Unrelated to the above but $100 single slot arc a310, can do av1

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nj7scf/sparkle-eco-arc-a310-4-gb-video-card-sa310c-4g

[tawdry dragon]

Ohhh nvm I'm dumb

[fair moon]

Not sure if really tech deal worthy but in the past the only $100 models were two slot

[trim pier]

Jesus

Oh nvm

[tawdry dragon]

Yep

[delicate lake]

Crazy how amd kinda fumbled av1

Even intel did better

Rdna 3 has a hardware level bug where it records in I think it was 1920x1082p or 1920x1088p for 1080p

[fair moon]

Weird

[delicate lake]

And for rdna 4 they didnt improve their av1 encoding quality

They focused only on avc

So now they are falling behind in av1

I mean its better than hevc but still

[fair moon]

Imma be honest I went from 30 series to 40 series and av1 for shadowplay clips was less impressive than I was hoping

[delicate lake]

I think it has something to do with nvenc or something like that because people wont shut up about av1 but I saw a comparison video a while ago and the nvenc av1 was almost the same as hevc

[fair moon]

My latest 30sec clip is 476mb 💀 I think my settings are a bit messed up

[delicate lake]

Or maybe the nvidia recording software or something

[delicate lake]

[fair moon]

Huh?

It's supposedly set to 15Mbps

1440p60fps

[delicate lake]

Does discord support av1 yet

[delicate lake]

It should be super small

[lunar grove]

Do you guys know if this (Intel Builders Bundle Gift - Civilization VII & Assassins Creed Shadows) game bundle is still available because it still shows it on newegg and showed in my cart? I got the email with the stuff for it but on the intel site it says it ended on march 30th so idek if imma get the games or not and i gotta wait till around the 17th for the cpu to get here.

[delicate lake]

My 18mbps avc clips are like 60-70 mb

[fair moon]

File explorer says it's 129992kbps

Yeah that's 130mbps lol

So Nvidia is tweaking

[delicate lake]

brotha recording lossless

[delicate lake]

I think if you bought it before it ends then you should be good

[lunar grove]

I bought it yesterday, showed it in the newegg cart and everything, idk why they would show something thats over tho

[delicate lake]

So maybe what happened is they stopped doing it on 3/30 but there were still bundles after it

[lunar grove]

Ohh okay

[delicate lake]

Like bundles that didnt sell

[lunar grove]

hopefully i get the games lmao

yeah that makes sense, didnt even think about that

[delicate lake]

I hope thats the case

[delicate lake]

Yeah that would suck

[lunar grove]

fr

[delicate lake]

Trolled by newegg

[lunar grove]

lmao

was going with amazon bc the warranty is cheaper there for longer, but them some 60 dollar games for free lmfao

[delicate lake]

[trim pier]

If you have the emailed code from Newegg you should be able to redeem it once your pc is up and running

They usually expire like 90-180 days after you buy it

[lunar grove]

Ohh okie tyy

[thin bolt]

https://a.co/d/85PoLaG

This seems sus

[stoic crest]

imma assume it's a cheap va

[fair moon]

$160 1440p is a pretty normal price

[thin bolt]

It was $126

When I posted it

[fair moon]

Ah

[thin bolt]

Seemed a little sus

[tawdry dragon]

$150 switch OLED https://www.ebay.com/itm/267210097038?

[cursive sage]

It's sold, but it is a used console sold by an independent seller

not really much of a "deal"

[stoic crest]

can't be a deal if there's only one in stock

[high radish]

From woot deal for 70$ . it's 6000mhz at least

[severe jolt]

That's

That doesn't look like Hynix to me
Those look suspiciously like Samsung timings

[brittle lagoon]

Flat is generally Samsung

[earnest storm]

I have that ram

Except no rgb

[high radish]

Yup it's Samsung still good for 70$

At least they didn't send 5200mhz kit

[trim pier]

Was really tempted to get it but everyone in woots forums was saying random speeds for this

[high radish]

yeah I took a risk and ordered 5 of them

[trim pier]

You plan on returning them?

[high radish]

no lol I will build and sell them to overseas my build and sell business is about to die after tariffs lmao

[trim pier]

UPS shipment prices haven’t been affected yet so 😭

But resell value rn..

My 7800xt I paid 328$ for is like worth 550 used LOL

[high radish]

but item prices will get high so . people will avoid shopping from US because no one wants item that 0ver 100% taxed lmao

[trim pier]

True, plus the whole paying for overseas shipment too

[high radish]

people loves shopping from US actually. especially eastern europe and middle east countries ( becuase retail prices sux ) . but if they can get same item double cheaper at china or canada , they will shop there ofc

probably Canada will be get this job

[trim pier]

Honestly if you can get yourself across to Canada and go to Canada computers, I think their 9800x3d bundle is cheaper than microcenter

[high radish]

yeah if things not gets better I may move to Canada lmao

[trim pier]

DONT MOVE TO CANADA

[delicate lake]

Depends where you are in the us but if it was me I would never move to that police state

Australia too

[trim pier]

Canada housing crisis, insane taxes I think, but free healthcare?

[trim pier]

90% of it is unlivable

[delicate lake]

"healthcare" that tells you to off yourself when the bill is too expensive (not kidding)

But this is a slippery slope so lets chill

Mods on watch rn after recent development

[trim pier]

True

[high radish]

I mostly do personall shopping and shipping fashion stuff and as hobby PC stuff to overseas so if we really get over 100% tariffs I can't run my business here anymore

[trim pier]

Ay man, not to hate but you paying 0 sales tax..

[high radish]

actually who cares about small businesses right ?

[trim pier]

Small businesses aren’t small if you ship overseas

Jk, but small businesses are done for

[high radish]

F for small businesses

[high radish]

sales tax sux anyways

[fair moon]

#tech-deals message
yal forgetting that the $190 miniLED is discontinued

[bold willow]

Cooler master monitors don’t have a great reputation

And $240 isn’t super impressive when the “best” budget 1440p monitor is only $250 (AOC).

[delicate lake]

Fellas

The pc upgrades can continue
https://bbc.com/news/articles/c20xn626y81o

[bold willow]

Does it include Pokemon cards

[high radish]

My business survived

[earnest storm]

Well

[high radish]

Actually I think it's all market manipulation as other tariff thingies rich people got good money and as always small businesses suffered

[trim pier]

When will the intel hate end 🙃

I was praying for z790s lower than 120$, but it’s staying high up

Though does this specify graphic cards too or just cpu chips?

[opal flume]

I think that might've been a bit too agressive

Sorry for the ping

[high radish]

I saw msi z790-S for 110$ but that's all . Nzxt was 120$ at amazon for awhile

[trim pier]

The S isn’t so bad, but the NZXT was eh. Nice designed board but it was lacking a lot of ports, especially back I/O

And they added some of their nzxt connectors where you can connect your other nzxt products directly to the board or smth?

[high radish]

Z790S lacking argb

[trim pier]

Tbh idc about rgb, my tuf gaming has edges for rgb but that’s it

I don’t want my whole motherboard to light up with rgb 😭

[high radish]

You can get case fans with controller anyways but it doesn't have argb header

Cheapest z790 I got ( except in combo )

Actually I got z790 for 100$ too but it was ddr4

[trim pier]

i've been looking for a z790 board and honestly it's probably better to just sell my gpu, cpu, ddr4 board and it's ram for am5

I got my 7800xt for like 350$ during 2023 black friday & used prices for it right now is insane

[trim pier]

oh wait it's ddr4 ew

[high radish]

yeah but got mobo + 32gb ram kit for 130$ so it's same price as b760 board so it's worth it lol

[trim pier]

oh ya that's worth

[high radish]

yeah market sux nowadays.

new tariff exception chilled me for awhile lol

it's not pernament but yeah it's better than nothing

[pallid geyser]

doesnt apply for consoles though lol

[earnest storm]

Doesn’t apply for Intel tho which will make Intel completely dumb to buy now

[tawdry dragon]

Always has been

[earnest storm]

Well

Intel is being hit by tariffs

While amd isnt

[tawdry dragon]

Before the tariffs Intel was dumb to buy was my point

[earnest storm]

Yeah, now they’re either 84% more or 200$ more 💔

[tawdry dragon]

Amazing

[opal flume]

For now, the administration has stated they are going to be rolling out tariffs specifically for electronics and semiconductors sometime in the following 30 or so days

[fair moon]

I think I read that they are allowing an exception for taiwan

so that would hopefully mean AMD and Nvidia aren't as impacted.

[trim pier]

Ever since AM5 i've regretted Intel

sure, when I got my intel bundle at microcenter it was miles cheaper and better than what AMD offered

[earnest storm]

The only impact amd will have is higher prices due to there being no competition

[trim pier]

then not even a year later they dropped AM5 and my 13600k gets beaten in various tasks by am5

anyways intel is a scam unless you're doing smth cool or funky

[earnest storm]

And microcenter now has good am5 deals for 7700/9700

And 7800/9800x3d too

[trim pier]

It's all the same price tbh for Intel, considering they haven't left the generation yet. No clue how ultra series does against 12/13/14 but I heard it isn't worth it

[earnest storm]

That 9600x bundle is terrible

[earnest storm]

Ultra is worse than 13/14, idk about 12

[trim pier]

might aswell spend that money on the asus board for 40$ more lmao

[earnest storm]

Well

[trim pier]

but then again you only get 1 stick

[earnest storm]

It’s 16gb ddr5 and it’s a microatx mobo

Also they raised prices by 50$ not too long ago

[trim pier]

Well, unless you already had plans on what case you wanted, I would of gotten a case depending on what motherboard I got first

But ya I remember when the 7800x3d bundle was 450$ I think

[earnest storm]

And also 14th gen intel needs BEEFY coolers compared to amd

[trim pier]

Then they actually HAD 7600x bundles, not the single stick and crappy motherboard

[earnest storm]

And they had 7600x3d bundles

But not anymore

[trim pier]

well dropping 400$ on a cpu bundle for AMD and intel you kinda need a beefy cooler no matter what, but something like the 7600x/12700k then that's different

[trim pier]

should of gotten that tbh

9600x3d when 💔

[earnest storm]

Also that 7900xt deal is kinda juicy

Esp in this economy

[trim pier]

well I remember them selling a 6950xt for 500$ with an AMD processor but ya it's a real good deal

though they also have 600$ 9070xt there IF it's stock 😭

[earnest storm]

Not in stock

And no they raised the prices

[trim pier]

i'm stalking my microcenter for a 9070xt rn, either trading in or doing a facebook market sell

[trim pier]

oh?>

[earnest storm]

Yeah…

[trim pier]

damn

[bold willow]

Opinion on using a Chromebook to host a discord bot?

It’s got like 4 or 8gb of ram

It’s like one of those bulk school laptops

I believe it’s a dual core intel celeron, 4gb ram, 32gb flash eMMC flash

Got it for $30 💀

Also Chromebook’s can natively run Linux, no weird workaround to install it.

[civic sun]

You can do it, might have to do some workarounds to get it to run 24/7 maybe without the battery

[trim pier]

you could probably disconnect the screen from the chromebook itself to perserve battery life

I don't know if they have an output for secondary display though

if it does, you could just have a keyboard as a computer lmao

[bold willow]

Or just turn off the screen

[trim pier]

what's the fun in having a likely faded out screen

[tawdry dragon]

?ddu

[wraith panther]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[bold willow]

Why do I need this

What’s wrong with just turning the screen off

[civic sun]

Actually this was a thing. I remember some people would collect damaged macbooks and rip their screen off to use with external monitor or headless

[bold willow]

Interesting

If I could use the touchscreen panel for something else that would be cool

It’s kinda bad touchscreen but enough to click buttons and whatnot

[tawdry dragon]

No I just needed the link for ddu 😭

[bold willow]

Whatever you say

[tawdry dragon]

My cousin got a new laptop and the dedicated GPU disappeared from task manager

[high radish]

that's the ram I got from woot.

[cursive sage]

was it great?

[severe jolt]

Those are some very Samsung timings lol

[high radish]

Yeah it's Samsung chip

[balmy lake]

With the on again/off again tariffs and changing what will be enforced and what won’t.

Should GPU prices be affected yet? Ideally, anyway. I know vendors will use it as an excuse, regardless.

[civic sun]

from what I have read gpu's have largely not been affected yet but that could change. that said the prices of new gpus have already been ridiculous without tariffs so if it was me i would look for something older used

[high radish]

I see 5070 msrp goes up at newegg and other retails so it will affected. 5070 shadow 2x was 550$ few days ago but now it's 610$

[balmy lake]

I was just curious if Newegg was falling into that realm too as they have some sapphire 9070 xt’s in stock ~+$200 over launch. Or do you think that’s Sapphire raising the prices? And possibly why MC never seems to get any sapphires as they are still showing launch prices, just OOS?

Thing is, the older gpu’s haven’t seemed to come down much either, if all. In general, I know there’s outliers.

[civic sun]

tbh gpus haven't been selling for msrp since before covid I think it was. not the mainstream cards anyway

in general it's just been kind of a terrible market. only decent deal I've seen was the battlemage cards but many of which are virtually impossible to find in stock at reasonable price

[bold willow]

dont buy gpu

problem solved

tbf cloud gaming might work if ur a non-competetive gamer

[keen marsh]

Buy handheld PC 🙌

[bold willow]

Hey my android tablet runs games pretty well

I’m so heard I can emulate desktop and console games

[keen marsh]

With winlator ye. It works good for older games.

[thin bolt]

@sick spade if it’s not really a deal, post it here.

[sick spade]

Will do going forward. I had posted it in #tech-deals because people have been having a hard time finding a GPU at msrp so I figured it was worth linking.

[bold willow]

make #less-tech-deals channel

[sick spade]

Even better we need a #msrp-parts channel xD

[thin bolt]

Real

[sick spade]

any chance your able to bring back the gpu links because there was one in the list of 4 that was an actual decentish deal. $799 for a Phantom 7900XT. Below MSRP so I think it's fair to consider it a deal..

[thin bolt]

ASUS ROG Loki SFX-L 850W Platinum https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-loki-rog-loki-850p-sfx-l-gaming-850-w/p/N82E16817320031R?item=N82E16817320031R

OPEN BOX $1,199 - RTX 4080 16GB VENTUS 3X
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-4080-rtx-4080-16gb-ventus-3x-oc/p/N82E16814137765R?item=N82E16814137765R

OPEN BOX $1299 - RTX 4080 SUPER Trinity Black
https://www.newegg.com/zotac-trinity-zt-d40820d-10p-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16gb-gddr6x/p/N82E16814500580R?Item=N82E16814500580R

OPEN BOX $859 - WHITE 7900XT 20GB
Phantom Gaming from Asrock
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-phantom-gaming-rx7900xt-pgw-20go-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814930117R?Item=N82E16814930117R

REFURBISHED $799 - BLACK 7900XT 20GB
Phantom Gaming from Asrock
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-7900-xt-rx7900xt-pg-20go/p/N82E16814930083T?item=N82E16814930083T

Sorry, reconstruction from an image

[sick spade]

ah gotcha.

Want me to just post the $799 phantom or can I just copy paste it back in so if someone wants one of the others they can grab it.

Also to my surprise, this week alone I have found about 30 5090 cards at MSRP.

legitimate cards from what I can tell based on the reviews that were posted afterwards on amazon.

[thin bolt]

There’s that reconstructed

[sick spade]

awesome thank you.

[thin bolt]

Wait

Sigh

[sick spade]

?

[thin bolt]

Hold

[sick spade]

I am confused?

The links are working for me.

[thin bolt]

Oh wtf

Why did Newegg set me to deliver to Ireland?

[sick spade]

lmao

[thin bolt]

No wonder I couldn’t load links this morning

[sick spade]

So am I free to put those gpu links back in #tech-deals?

[thin bolt]

Ye, just specify that they’re at msrp

[sick spade]

also this is interesting, I just found quite a few RTX 5090 and 5080 at MSRP on amazon.

[thin bolt]

I did a minor oopsie waking up

[thin bolt]

Check the sellers first

[sick spade]

just had to dig past the outragous ones selling at 4k

[thin bolt]

The msrp ones can be scam sellers

[sick spade]

their 5090 has reviews in the last couple of weeks that look legitimate.

Listed as Verified Purchases

[fair moon]

the market is so cooked that last gen MSRP cards are deals 💀

Take me back to $500 7900GRE 😭

[torpid night]

We may never get something like a $500 7900 GRE ever again lol

[fair moon]

Honestly now that I think about it an MSRP 9070 is pretty close in value

But the odds of getting one of those at MSRP is close to none at this point it seems

[delicate lake]

In other words its over

[bold willow]

waiting for the iTs CoRsAiR people to show up and execute this one

[delicate lake]

Sell to facebook npc for full price

[bold willow]

grandma needs to upgrade her solitaire setup

[thin bolt]

Check this out on @Newegg:ASUS TUF Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti OC V2 Graphics Card (PCIe 4.0, 8GB GDDR6X, HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 1.4a, Military-grade Certification, GPU Tweak III) TUF-RTX3070TI-O8G-V2-GAMING https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-tuf-rtx3070ti-o8g-v2-gaming/p/N82E16814126611T?item=N82E16814126611T

[brisk agate]

it doesn't necessarily have to be a deal but what are the best smart tv options at $2000 cad or less?

[trim pier]

https://www.woot.com/offers/huy-fong-sriracha-hot-chili-sauce-17-oz?ref=w_cnt_wp_0_19

[pallid geyser]

Big factor is going to be what size you want

And what exactly you’re gonna use it for, gaming/sports/movies/bright room/outdoors etc

Rtings .com has the Samsung s90d taking the top spot overall but there’s gonna be almost and endless supply of options

[pallid geyser]

Remember when there was a national shortage of sriracha and people were selling it for like $3000 a bottle

[brisk agate]

It's going to be for the living room, we don't need any gaming on it

The Samsung one looks good but might have features a bit unnecessary for us

[tawdry dragon]

For $1600 it's actually quite a good deal

[trim pier]

like 30$ a bottle but ya, it's not the original sauce though. The original farmers/pepper growers have their own brand now & is selling it for like 25$ a bottle

[brisk agate]

my parents want to get this

oh I can't add pictures

it's this https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0D3WR9JN9?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

seems good for the price, only thing is it's rated slightly lower for bright room and sports

[brittle lagoon]

it's a pretty decent tv, only problem is the sdr brightness isn't that great hence lower rating for bright rooms

[brisk agate]

yeah I mentioned that to them, they're looking at the samsung now

the LG does have adaptive brightness though so that's why they liked it

[tiny heron]

What am I going to do with 16 2GB sticks 😭

[opal flume]

They don't make 2gb DDR5 sticks so you'd get DDR4 or DDR3 instead

[high radish]

[earnest storm]

It may be Corsair but free ram is free ram

[high radish]

Yeah I mean ddr5 line isn't that bad. I did seen lots of defective ddr4 corsairs but honestly I only had one weird ddr5 kit . All of them were alright so far . Mobo itself isn't the best mobo either but yeah put 7500f or 7600 on it and call it a day

[delicate lake]

Maybe it was just their ddr4 kits

[fair moon]

@civic sun bot didn't catch them all^

[civic sun]

Wow that was fast

[tawdry dragon]

Why'd y'all down vote the speaker 😭 it's actually a good deal

[late sluice]

Could u help me with sm

[tawdry dragon]

I'll try

[late sluice]

So
I want to buy this PC off new egg, but I do not know if it is a scammer not it does not have any reviews

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4771714

This is the link for it

Idk WTH to do LOL

[tawdry dragon]

If you go to the PC page itself rather than the combo page you will see that it has reviews

But that PC is really bad value

[late sluice]

Wym

Bad value

[tawdry dragon]

Ryzen 7 from last gen and a 4060 do not fit in a $1000 build

[late sluice]

Could you maybe find me one that is in a price range of 1400

That can run streaming and VR chat and stuff

I need it to be the best of the best for 1400

And that is not a scam

[tawdry dragon]

But as of now PC pricing is crazy, I personally wouldn't buy a PC rn. If you really want to though, I suggest asking in #building-and-recc-chat

I'll check eBay and see what they have

[late sluice]

No
It has to be on new egg gang

lol

[tawdry dragon]

Why Newegg? They have mediocre prebuilts at best

[brittle lagoon]

There's a refurb 4070 prebuilt that works, it's overpriced but still better than 4060 at that budget
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883360528C

[delicate lake]

Oh wow it doesnt have slop cables

Ngl it doesnt look bad its just the price is a little high

Oh its not a super nvm

That is pricey

[bold willow]

glad i got a $22 hyper x cloud II wireless

currently using my sony xm4 as wired since going wireless is awful

• randomly goes into hands-free mode
• randomly goes into speed recognition (which makes audio transparent)
• sounds kinda bad sometimes
• i use the headphones for other stuff than my pc

[lament ivy]

Not seeing this deal. Only see new or like $10 off for used. Am I not seeing it or gone?

[delicate lake]

Probably gone

When I saw earlier today I only saw the good option

So someone got the other option already when I checked

[bold willow]

gone

[delicate lake]

[bold willow]

With the 14600K being $10 is this really much of a deal? #tech-deals message

I guess if you have DDR4 and a fear of 13th & 14th gen maybe

[pallid geyser]

$10 14600k?

[delicate lake]

Meant $10 difference

[bold willow]

I definitely meant $10

[trim pier]

https://www.woot.com/offers/dr-brian-eye-vitamins-with-lutein-20mg-1

wtf

.01? I just bought 5

no clue what it does but i'll take it

[torpid night]

Oh yeah one cent for a drug that I have no idea what it does

https://tenor.com/UGCm.gif

[delicate lake]

Lutein is a carotenoid

It is a good nutrient for the eyes

[trim pier]

ya I was looking into it, basically that, vitamin A, supposedly helps out for eye strain and blurry eye

If I don't need it I could sell each for 5$ on facebook, or just return it for my nickel back.. 😏

[delicate lake]

Supplements also include it with zeaxanthin which is a different type of carotenoid

[balmy lake]

Omg. Nickleback killed chat.

[bold willow]

[daring depot]

https://tenor.com/view/ripchat-gif-18754729

[tawdry dragon]

Bacca left and now tech deals is dead :(

[cursive sage]

nickleback did it

[daring depot]

oh Bacca left NANI

No more refurbished tech deals 😦

[delicate lake]

I have them saved in my server but I am not subbed to the notifying list

Idk when they come in stock

But the refurb cpus went up in price

[balmy lake]

Sorry folks. My bad for posting Chad and his dam photograph.

[lament ingot]

a true hero

chat omg check out this amazing tech deal i found on amazon😂😂😭😭

it gets worse dw

[bold willow]

$900 3060 8gb

[balmy lake]

Ive heard rumors about products like that. Like… they aren’t really selling it at that price….

[daring depot]

I was stupid like that once

Should we be preaching that 8gb ain't enough? My PC is just bottlenecked by heat

[fair moon]

It's like bare minimum for 1080p and cards should really be starting at 10gb

8gb 30 series was fine, 8gb 40 was questionable, 8gb 50 series is dogpoop

[lament ivy]

Why?

[fair moon]

Bacca found a lot of deals and posted them there

[lament ingot]

Why'd she leave anyways

Her and fal

[lament ivy]

That is what i am asking

[bold willow]

They said they spent too much time looking for deals

Like they needed to lock in on other stuff basically

Instead of doomscrolling eBay

[daring depot]

lol was that just their job on this discord?

[thin bolt]

No

[daring depot]

I am curious why they were always posting refurbished deals tho

[fair moon]

Cause they're better than new deals and have more stock than used deals

Like for a used gpu on ebay there's likely only 1 at that price, whereas refurb from zotac etc has multiple cards at that price

[winter fulcrum]

wait. what is better, 5070 or 9700

9070

[bold willow]

I think the use case scenario

[winter fulcrum]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vsWbxg
Anyone have any thoughts, suggestions, or improvements. My friend already has a case and a strong CPU cooler

[bold willow]

7800X3D is mighty powerful for a 5070

[winter fulcrum]

for a 5070 really?

what would be a good/proper adjustment

[earnest storm]

A lot

Lemme fix that list

[earnest storm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6CcqQd

Although

I wouldn’t get a 9070xt at that price

Wait for Newegg refurbished to have a good deal, 6950xt for 490, or other good deals

[balmy lake]

Wtf ??? $520 for 9800x3d on shell shocker?!?

I mean yeah, i guess taking the name literally, it is shocking. But not in a good way.

[winter fulcrum]

how different is the 9070 xt and the 6950xt

like how much worse or better

[earnest storm]

9070xt is like 20-35% better, but not rly worth thr price jump

[winter fulcrum]

yeah the 8 hundo is a lil crazy

would getting the 9070 xt be a good long term investment

[bold willow]

I think 9070xt might be worth it since it has FSR4 and probably longer driver support

Unless the 6950xt is more than $100 less or something

[earnest storm]

6950xt goes for like 490 on Newegg refurbished

[earnest storm]

I found a 9070xt for 730

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DS2QG2KW/ref=aod_recs_desktop_prsubs_1

Nope

It instantly went away

Damn

[winter fulcrum]

LOL

[winter fulcrum]

about $400 less

[winter fulcrum]

If I wanted more than 2TB of storage. Would buying 2, 2 TB be worth or is there a 4 TB you may know about

[earnest storm]

Is there any reason specifically for 4tb of storage

Like what’ll it be used for

[winter fulcrum]

my friends parents use the PC so there's like a lot of files that take up a lot of storage

and on top of that he spams big games

Ark, GTA, elden ring

just sum big gig holder ik he plays

he currently has 4 HHD's and idk how compatible it is with a better motherboard

[bold willow]

Id get it if you are on a budget

Unless your like 4K gaming and need the best upscaling

[winter fulcrum]

no just 1440P

and I got no budget

🤫🫢

[earnest storm]

Ngl

Get a 2TB ssd for games and the rest can be hdd

[brittle lagoon]

nothing wrong with just a single 4tb ssd when there's no budget

[earnest storm]

Oh wait no budget

[winter fulcrum]

I was thinking of this

but didn't know whether the HDD's would be compatible with the motherboard

[earnest storm]

No reason it won’t

All you need is a sata port

[winter fulcrum]

and where would I get that

and what is that

[earnest storm]

It should be on the mobo

Right side, same level as your gpu

Usually

[winter fulcrum]

o

W skib

[winter fulcrum]

If I wait for the 6950xt should I downgrade the cpu IF I'm only planning for 1080P

if I get the 9070xt I'm planning for 1440P

thoughts?

[earnest storm]

Ok so

1080p is more cpu intensive

If you want 1080p you’d go for better cpu

[winter fulcrum]

o

smartttt

so gpu is purely game

i mean

its called graphics

so yeah that makes sense 😭

[earnest storm]

Well

1080p benefits from a better gpu yes

But it uses more of the cpu

[winter fulcrum]

oh

ok

[fair moon]

Go 1440p even if you get the 6950xt lol

It's more than capable of 1440p

And 1440p is a very nice bump over 1080p

[winter fulcrum]

W skib

[delicate lake]

Yeah ngl I would say 1080p for that card kind of a waste ngl

Could do 6800 or something and be good if you wanted pretty high refresh rate 1080p

[serene garnet]

monster slop wilds ❌ monster peak wilds ✅

[delicate lake]

[winter fulcrum]

so getting the 9070 xt is alr

just the market price is pretty cancer

[winter fulcrum]

do you think a 5070 ti is good? and what would be a good price? I heard of one for $800 or $850

[earnest storm]

Eh?

It depends on price of 9070xt

[winter fulcrum]

i mean a 9070 xt is $900

what is the difference between GDDR7 and GDDR6

cheapest 9070 xt i see is a 860

[static epoch]

GDDR7 is higher bandwidth (faster)

[stoic crest]

oof

the gpu prices looking sad rn

i would say against buying any gpus buuuuut

if you gotta get one

the 5070ti seems valid

[cunning flame]

on a technical level or just what makes it better?

bc those are sorta diff answers lol

[bold willow]

its a bigger number

[winter fulcrum]

idk. If I'm not mistaken the 5070 ti is a GDDR7 while the 9070 xt is a GDDR6

[cunning flame]

yes, that is correct. i was more wondering what exactly you were asking- like a general idea of what makes GDDR7 better than GDDR6, or the more technical details. bc the former is pretty simple, whereas the latter is a bit more involved

[brittle lagoon]

For the purpose of looking at performance in general, they're similar enough not to matter in the case of those two.
The gddr7 on the 5070 ti is at 28gbps effective, gddr6 on 9070xt is at 20gbps effective, both with a 256bit bus, but you won't find that translating into quantifiable gains anywhere in terms of performance in general.

[cunning flame]

a 40% bandwidth increase is extremely notable actually. particularly when you look at performance scaling with much smaller increases (ie the gains you seem from relatively small % increases in bandwidth through overclocking on either card)

[fair moon]

sure but it will only be notable where gddr6 bandwidth wasn't enough already

[cunning flame]

much of the 6950 xt's performance improvement over then 6900 xt was an increase in memory bandwidth and small cache improvements (mem bw improved by only 12.5%), and improved overall performance by about 8% on average. i can't think of many other 1:1 comparisons where specs are otherwise identical but slightly faster memory is used

[cunning flame]

there is never enough bandwidth. memory bandwidth increases do regress over time (basically the same "diminishing returns" with anything else), but the increase remains pretty much indefinitely. the question is merely how MUCH improvement you would see, and based on my testing with the 9070, i would conclude that yeah those cards scale quite well with bandwidth

[brittle lagoon]

It sounds notable on paper, but in this case, the GPU core matters much more for performance in general, it's not helpful to say 5070ti is 40% better than 9070xt, because it isn't in any benchmark that I know of, therefore it's close enough for that case.

[cunning flame]

memory bandwidth increases basically reduce overhead on the shaders. more bandwidth = more data to the shaders = the shaders can do more work. really it's more like more bandwidth = faster swapping of data into cache, but that's just an intermediate step

[brittle lagoon]

tbh half of the 6950xt perf increase came from higher pl iirc

[cunning flame]

i'm referring to PL equalized performance, but in the case of 6950 xt it's like an 11% PL increase

[brittle lagoon]

it went from 255w tbp to 284w on reference

higher on some oc cards but yea

I'd say more perf came out of that than the memory freq bump

[cunning flame]

any sort of overclocking on either card indicates the opposite, as with basically every GPU launched particularly since the 2000 series. bandwidth has consistently had a much greater impact on performance than clock speed. in many cases even normalizing for % improvement, since core frequency often doesn't scale as high

but i digress, a 40% bandwidth improvement is very significant. particularly on bandwidth starved architectures, which Ada in partular was. Blackwell seems fundamentally very similar to Ada, so it's shocking to me that there are very limited performance gains normalizing for die area

in the case of the RDNA 4 cards, even a cursory glance at the overclocking scene would indicate that indeed, memory performance is extremely important. iirc the handful of Samsung GDDR6 cards that have hit the market are very quickly topping the benchmark charts for no other reason than that they clock a little better than the Hynix chips most used

[fair moon]

do they game better or only benchmark better tho?

[brittle lagoon]

If we want to look at OC performance, you could look at fork's ln2 6950xt run for example, it's at basically stock memory clocks and everything into core clocks
https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_time_spy_(gpu)/submissions/5090404

[brittle lagoon]

and yea the samsung gddr6 chips on rdna4 is interesting because it runs cooler than hynix and therefore could be clocked a bit higher, but I have seen no source for that topping any charts outside of just higher vram freq being on runs

[cunning flame]

yes, increasing core clocks improves performance, but i fail to see how this is terribly relevant to whether or not a 40% improvement to bandwidth is notable. cool bench setup tho

[brittle lagoon]

Blackwell has gains, Nvidia just decided to give less actual usable die in the same product segments, it's slightly better performance with reduced cores

[brittle lagoon]

Can you provide a source of overclocking vram topping charts?

That was just an example of topping charts with practically stock vram

[cunning flame]

not really enough samples to be confident, particularly given how recent they are. i haven't seen anybody do 'hardcore' overclocking yet unfortunately. just that they seem to clock a little better on air or whatever. i suppose i was a little overeager in my initial statement, which is my bad. i should have stated that they thus far seem consistently win on "stock" setups at least. i haven't seen anything XOC yet. again i apologize for the mistake on my part

[brittle lagoon]

I mean I agree overclocking vram and having faster vram in general definitely helps performance, I just believe it matters much less than overclocking the core, I grabbed a 6950xt run since that's what you brought up earlier, that's a 2 year old run on a ~4 year old GPU

[cunning flame]

another example though that i just remembered is 4070 G6 vs G6x. 5% bandwidth difference, 4% performance difference. near linear scaling in this case, which is uncommon. usually it's less than that, but still worth noting

[cunning flame]

depends on the exact setup we're talking about. in terms of reasonable dailyable machines, memory usually matters much more. XOC core will often be more important or at least equally so because the core scales with cold, and memory doesn't always scale with cold (at least not past a point)

a lot of XOC binning is obviously finding a good core, but also making sure you have the best memory for cold scaling if multiple vendors are present

but at the end of the day, god bin core with decent memory will proooobably >>> meh bin core with good memory, just because of the scaling 'limits'

daily/ambient cooling systems tend to be the opposite in this sense

[brittle lagoon]

Yea the 4070 gddr6 does have some scaling in some places, but I feel like the problem there is that it kind of rounds up the % when it's something like a 3 fps difference, when on average it was even closer and I'd attribute more differences to different partner models and run to run variation lol

[brittle lagoon]

Yea, but at the same time memory clocks just doesn't really matter once you can push the core really far, it's like average core bin with bad memory bin/vendor is equivalent to average core bin with good memory bin/vendor since so much more of the gains come from the core clocks

It does matter more at ambient since memory doesn't really scale cold, but my point is more about the magnitude of gains from core versus gains from vram

circling back to the beginning, gddr6 vs gddr7 on its own doesn't matter, the other details matter more

vram still matters a lot, we can see what happens when we choke it with a smaller bus for example

but the core still matters more for performance in general, when there isn't something wrong with the vram

[cunning flame]

for sure, and I agree with that point, i just think it's a bit off topic. my original argument, to sort of restate it given all of the necessary qualifiers due to how our convo has branched out, would be as follows: in a standard, ambient cooled system, memory bandwidth tends to consistently be the larger factor in overall performance gains in overclocking, often even normalized for % improvements in bandwidth/core frequency. and as such, one would conclude that a 40% improvement in bandwidth (as seen in 9070/XT vs 5070 ti) would be quite considerable insofar as if either product saw the requisite increase or decrease in bandwidth to match the other, relative performance characteristics would be drastically altered

[cunning flame]

bus width isn't relevant if you have the bandwidth, it's just that smaller bus usually = less bandwidth unless you have some super insane memory, which we don't often see. this gen we kinda do, since AMD is using G6 still, so you could concievably see like a 128 bit Nvidia GDDR7 GPU with the same bandwidth as a 192 bit Radeon GDDR6 one or smth

[brittle lagoon]

5% at 4k stock for both

[cunning flame]

you can still access and use the memory just as well with a 128 or 512 bit bus for example. it's just less bandwidth for the cores/for fetching to cache

[brittle lagoon]

I mean 128bit bus with g6 is going to have half the bandwidth of 256bit bus with g6, it is a bandwidth difference, but that is a huge bandwidth difference when normalized for the same clocks on the g6

[cunning flame]

i've gtg take an exam now (uni on a sunday blehhhh), but to sort of give an example of what i'm trying to say, i'll run a bench with my 9070 with just core oc and with just mem oc later and share the results. if we'd been talking about this maybe a month prior i'd have had like 7 relatively modern GPUs i could do this with but i dumped most of my stock when prices went sky high lol

i imagine that on subambient the core would matter heaps more, but to demonstrate the % score gains relative to % clock improvement with core/mem this is sort of what i'm trying to say

if that makes any sense at all lol

[brittle lagoon]

I mean I've messed with mem a lot on my old 3060ti and a bit on my current 9070xt, even though 3060ti's g6 could be pushed a lot further than stock, it really did not result in any real performance uplift lol

it had enough bandwidth already, more didn't matter

my idea is still that it's a problem that chokes the core when you don't have enough, but the performance doesn't really scale upwards once you do have enough

[cunning flame]

this is correct, mostly. when bandwidth and compute performance are balanced core will matter more. but in a lot of circumstances on most GPUs the bandwidth is consistently an issue in gaming workloads and so forth. you'll still scale even when it is 'balanced' (whatever that somewhat arbitrary turn of phrase means), but they'll be diminished vs core gains usually

[brittle lagoon]

Yea I can agree with that, although I'd put most of the current gen GPUs at a more than enough bandwidth position

Until we see what happens to 5060 at least

[cunning flame]

blackwell seemingly definitely. ada was a weird case because they had next to no bandwidth, relatively speaking, but also really tiny cores, so the 'balance' was arguably sorta close for some SKUs (under specced across the board lol). whereas now Blackwell is still very tiny, but has like 30-100% more bandwidth depending on the SKU, which is just a bit insane. Radeon seems a bit more balanced both this and last gen. this kinda stacks up to what iirc is the case with blackwell OC where memory is kinda important but the core matters much more. whereas with my experience with my 9070 it's somewhat the opposite. i've got one more exam and then i'll be off home to go demonstrate what i mean with the 9070 haha

[brittle lagoon]

Good luck, my experience with 9070 xt is that it doesn't matter for performance, but I haven't seen that much on rdna 4 and Blackwell ocing, prob a bit too early to tell for sure. Did see an article this morning about Hynix G7 clocking as high as Samsung G7 though.

[cunning flame]

yeah i mean honestly i might just be misremembering but i'm faiiiirly certain my 9070 really loves memory relative to core. it's been a long week though, i've opened at work pretty much every day and have had all kinds of finals at the same time lol. so like- maybe i've just gone insane 😆

ty for the wishes of luck btw ^^

[delicate lake]

Brotha cant catch a break rn

[bold willow]

Damn i wish i chose AMD instead of intel. id prefer the lower temps for similar performance.

[delicate lake]

How did undervolting go

Im sure it can uv well

[cunning flame]

will have to follow up woth this tomorrow, literally just finished bruh

[grave delta]

Haha, so big navi is an exception to the norm, doesn't really scale with temp, does with voltage, so -50 ish helps with that, I didn't have a -50c 1kw chiller laying around to ln2 it was

My 6900xt was really a potato bin, while my 6800xt behaved very well

[trim pier]

Uh

Uh

Is 600$ good for a refrub 4070ti super?

[cursive sage]

I can see why it's called the gooner GPU

[trim pier]

I should of bought the damn 4070ti super

I was hesistant

[cursive sage]

that 16GB of vram can go a long way

[trim pier]

Also that gooner card

goes upto 800$

on ebay

[cursive sage]

gooners gonna goon

[trim pier]

fr

[cursive sage]

i just refreshed the page and the gooner card is gone

so...all three of them already sold out

not a loss for me because i don't care about GPUs or reselling stuff

[trim pier]

I had plans on getting a 9070xt since my microcenter occasionally has some at 700$, but then this shows up

I gotta know if the 4070ti S is just worth it or nah next time

😭

Plus woods refund policy is a bit iffy, but I called right as they went OOS & apparently I can get a full refund if I don’t like the product

[bold willow]

i have the A850Gl and had no problems with it

theres the 1000W version for $130 if u need that

[high radish]

I bought few 1000w for 90-100$ from gpu scalpers

[bold willow]

lol

i wonder if these factory conditioned msi psus have the original warranty on them in addition to the 180 day woot

[cunning flame]

seems reasonable

10% behind 9070 xt give or take, but a fair bit more than 10% less than 9070 xt street pricing

and you'll have DLSS 4 (upscaling, FG is cringe) which is excellent

[bold willow]

Awww man I got a 7900xt

[cunning flame]

why is that bad? did you overspend on it?

[earnest storm]

@delicate lake are you 100% sure that bundle comes with those extra

[trim pier]

we praying woot tn comes in clutch

gather around folks 🙏

[bold willow]

No I got it for $650 a few months ago

Just didn’t expect the 9070xt to be 11% better

I guess it’s good AMD made such an improvement

[trim pier]

no good woot deals today :(

[delicate lake]

I put it in the cart and it has 5 items, yes

[delicate lake]

And they will keep at it. Its good all of this happened, in the end

They have been playing catch up for a while and it seems that what they have done is finally paying off

They just need to keep at it though

And I think they will. People are optimistic about udna. Who knows, they could integrate ryzen tech if it truly goes chiplet

Next gen ryzen is expected to have a special bridging technique between chiplets

[earnest storm]

Alr, quite an insane deal lmao

[cunning flame]

an interposer die, yah. it would fix a lot if what RDNA 3's chiplets fell short in imo. i just hope they can make them on reeeeeaaaaaally cheap nodes so that it doesn't drive up prices a ton

[delicate lake]

Not interposer

Too expensive

Its going to be some kind of silicon bridging technique

Its also gonna be on n2 probably

There was a lot of speculation on whether it will be n3 or 2

I think they first made it with n3 but because of the timing, they started looking at n2 to see if that really would be the better choice or not

So nodes are still going to be very good, but they are trying to replace the traditional interconnects with something not so expensive. All the dies will also be touching each other

But really I don’t know exactly know what they will use now, because it was first silicon bridges as shown in real documents, but a couple recent things said its gonna be on an interposer. Interposers are still expensive to this day, so we will have to see for ourselves

Ok so I needed a refresher. Its not a whole interposer for what I was saying earlier. There is something below the dies, but only the areas around the die edges have interconnects

So its little bridge dies below the edges and a large dummy die for support is what it looks like

Yeah I was wondering how they would implement bridge dies without anything around the bridges. Guess they just put silicon around the bridges to fill in the space

[trim pier]

Ya ya ya this, ya ya ya that, I think microcenter lowered their prices on bundles by 20-30$ in return to remove the 9800x3d bundle. https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/bundle-and-save.aspx

[delicate lake]

They teased an n2 wafer for next gen epyc so its most likely n2

[delicate lake]

[trim pier]

the more expensive ones like 9700x, 7800x3d, blah blah didn't get affected really

9700x is 400$ now, 7700x is 369.99

[earnest storm]

I bought my 9700 bundle at 500 (ice mobo) and it was broken, so I returned it 2 days after 7800x3d bundle dropped to 500, and then a few days later 9700x went down 50$ lmao

[trim pier]

😭 real stuff right there

That's how it went for my 12600k bundle during 2022 black friday

like 2 weeks after, 12700k was 25$ cheaper than the 12600k I paid for, and 2 weeks after that I only paid basically an extra cent for a 13600k since it was an extra $25.01

now i'm planning to scrap my whole build for possibly full AMD, so possibly RIP helldiver, CS2, and Minecraft performance

[trim pier]

https://electronics.woot.com/offers/viewsonic-omni-vx2418c-24-curved-gaming-monitor-sd?ref=w_cnt_wp_0_15

BUY BUY BUY

'scratch and dent BUT WHATEVER

[cursive sage]

-# it is 24" though

[trim pier]

so?

50$

[fair moon]

24" is ideal for 1080p anyways so idk what he's on about

[delicate lake]

25" 1440p

[pallid geyser]

Dang

Missed it

[bold willow]

Ngl I’ve been using 24” for a few months recently and it doesn’t feel too bad

And I was on 32” before

[daring depot]

its perfectly fine

good for work, but 27+ looks so good for everything else

[cursive sage]

i like all my displays to be the same size

[tawdry dragon]

Idk why people are so concerned about ppi, I have a 32" 1440p, and at this size you're gonna be a couple feet away anyways

[fair moon]

pixels per degree (ppd) is a better metric but it involves measuring how far you sit from your monitor

[torpid night]

I need 60" all in my face

Wait a second

[lament ingot]

bro said sm so sus it killed the whole chat

[cursive sage]

...of Subway sandwiches

[brisk sphinx]

I gotchu

[torpid night]

AYO WAIT

[bold willow]

i think 27" is percect

[cursive sage]

i'm sure there's somebody here that can get you 27"

[lament ingot]

i can hook u up🍆🔥💀

[delicate lake]

[zenith lantern]

[delicate lake]

Oh no he is here everyone scramble

[cursive sage]

i think he wants to join in what do you mean

[tawdry dragon]

Yo I'm looking to build a overkill Minecraft server and I'm trying to figure out what cpu to get.
Since it's quite a single-threaded task I was thinking of the 12600k (also because it's really cheap sometimes) but if anybody knows any more options I'd love to hear them

[delicate lake]

What cpu you got

@tawdry dragon

[tawdry dragon]

Why does that matter

Not running the server on my pc

[bold willow]

Don’t need a K cpu

[tawdry dragon]

I'd rather not have to use a gpu

[bold willow]

K = overclockable

F = no igpu

could probably go with just a newer i3 cpu

Basically whatever you get cheapest

i3 12100 might work well

i5-12400

Whatever you can get cheapest

Probably look for used

[tawdry dragon]

I'm trying to go as overkill as possible while still being under $300-400 for the whole build

Currently I use pebblehost as my server hosting platform and it lags like crazy when there are more than a few people on

[bold willow]

Buy someone else’s used PC probably

Or a office pc and upgrade it

[tawdry dragon]

yeah I've been keeping a lookout for anything really, even a laptop if it's a good deal

I saw a few decent ones, but nothing too good of a deal

[bold willow]

I would look for something with DDR4 or newer

And remember that you can probably sell the GPU

AMD is fine too since MC is single core

Could also look at those mini PC deals

[tawdry dragon]

I'm looking for best performance with preferably 32gb of ram. I've seen a few pcs that were a few hundred miles away unfortunately

[tawdry dragon]

mini pc would have to be a really good deal for me to buy it

I'm looking at some gaming laptops as they've been getting suprisingly cheap in my area

saw this but it's probably a scam honestly

[delicate lake]

12400f is probably the best bet

5000 didn’t really have the best single core performance

Oh I read your message wrong

So 12400 would probably be the best bet then

Although, if the only thing its running is the server, it may not matter so much

In my case, I was running both the game and the server. I then put the server on my 1240p laptop and it had no problems running the server

[tawdry dragon]

I want something separate so I don't have to run my main PC 24/7, and I can run Linux on the server for some extra performance

12400 isn't bad, but I've seen 12600K/F go for around the same price occasionally.

[delicate lake]

Yeah java runs real fast on linux

Probably why my laptop was chillin

[bold willow]

Remember F = no igpu

[tawdry dragon]

yep

[tawdry dragon]

I hate using linux as a daily honestly

tried it, the compatibility and difficulty of use are not worth the performance uplifts

[delicate lake]

Which distro you used

[tawdry dragon]

Just Linux mint @delicate lake

[delicate lake]

Ok so mint is cool but its very simple

To me it seems they focus more on simplicity and stability

I think nobara wouldnt be so bad really, or cachyos

Those are my top 2 picks

I dont have many issues with nobara

Nobara 42 just came out but some people have some bugs with some things that arent a big deal, so ima wait a little longer to update to it

Nobara looks really nice though because of its theme and gui applications

[tawdry dragon]

The main problems I'm having I mentioned previously.

1. Compatibility
   Quite a few of the apps/games I use on a daily basis aren't available on linux

2. Ease of use
   Example being seeing system hardware stats. For windows you can just go to task manager and see tons of info on the cpu (amount of processes running, each core/thread usage, and even temperature) while Linux just has a barebones approach that isn't helpful

I'll try dual booting nobara on my laptop for a test-drive, but compatibility is still a big problem with Linux as a whole

I'll 100% use it for servers though as I'm almost never actually going to interact with it lol

[fair moon]

Mint has default apps a bit like windows, including one that's task-manager like iirc

[tawdry dragon]

It does have task manager, but it's more cut down than windows task manager

[delicate lake]

Nobara has its own kde theme by default, which is very customizable and doesnt look too different to windows

Here is my desktop and system monitor

You can customize the monitor to your liking

[final cosmos]

Are gigabyte gpus okay?

[tawdry dragon]

Yeah most of them are fine, some overheat though so look for specific reviews

[tawdry dragon]

Looks good, another huge problem for me is that Apex legends stopped support for Linux, which is a huge consideration for me

[delicate lake]

Oh true

Yeah some games are afraid of linux

Like steam can run the anticheats but they will see you are on linux and will either block access or ban you

For example if you log into destiny 2 with linux it will ban you

[tawdry dragon]

Another thing, adobe Lightroom cannot run on linux

[delicate lake]

With adobe stuff it depends. Its a little janky and it depends on how new the version is to work

I think the newest photoshop version you can do was between 2020 to 2022 because the ai features on the new versions do not play nice

But there is a solution, called winapps. Basically makes little VMs for those apps

So native support is not happening for a while for sure

[tawdry dragon]

All these little things add up to make Linux quite the unenjoyable experience for me

Random thing: my school website seems to have a memory leak specifically on linux

I'd love to use Linux, but it'll take a few years for me to be able to fully commit

[tawdry dragon]

ryzen 5 2600x+stock cooler+16gb ram worth $45?

[bold willow]

That’s decent

If u need that hardware it’s worth it

[tawdry dragon]

12400 single core is miles ahead though, but it's also twice the price for just the cpu so idk

gonna look for something like this honestly https://www.ebay.com/itm/396113789924

[bold willow]

Probably easier to get a mobo for the 12400 tho right?

[tawdry dragon]

aliexpress takes care of that

[bold willow]

Think about the motherboard cost to

[fair moon]

2600 is am4

Lots of mobos out there

Cheap a320m would probably be fine

[tawdry dragon]

But the single-core performance is comparable to an old i7

Slightly better than a i7 6700

[bold willow]

Just buy a cheap office pc and upgrade the ram and storage

[tawdry dragon]

i'm tryna do that

[bright hatch]

Just got this oled for $750 brand new. Normally $1600 monitor. Is this a snipe?

[brittle lagoon]

Yea it's a pretty decent price if you really want a screen that big

Usually $800-900 or so for 49in OLED panels

[balmy lake]

Trash! Not 40k @ 7000Hz with ultra micro oleds

[bold willow]

i need myself a 90" 360 curved monitor

[bright hatch]

I already rock a 34inch alienware oled 165hz so was gonna try to sell the 45inch

45inch is like another foot

[bold willow]

Do you like basketball?

[bright hatch]

Yeah I’mma die hard Blazers fan. Have szn tix. I even tried out for their gleague squad

[cursive sage]

Don’t know much about the 5060Ti but that 9070XT looks pretty enticing. Wasn’t its MSRP $599? It being priced at $609 is pretty good

[earnest storm]

The 5060ti is “good” condition after it JUST being released, and is no shipping

[balmy lake]

That 9070 isn’t there. Ive been trying for several days to get it but it always comes up as unavailable after clicking the button. I even went to a store and they said no one in my region has it. Whoever finds it at their local store, good luck! They actually have a few listed as open box. But always same result when clicking the button so im guessing they are available somewhere. Just in store only and not near me.

[cursive sage]

It’s there for me as delivery

[balmy lake]

You clicked add to cart? Mine shows the same. But when you actually click the button, a message pops up that it’s unavailable

[cursive sage]

oh no, i didn't click it

let me try it real quick

oh yep, shows it's unavailable. not a big loss, didn't need a new graphics card anyway

[balmy lake]

Technically, I don’t need one either. Still WANT one though. Lol. Just holding out for a “near” msrp 9070. xt or otherwise.

Im not in a hurry. But, FOMO kicks in, too. 🤣

[cursive sage]

I meant to say I don't want it

think that I'd rather get myself a better display before getting powerful hardware

[balmy lake]

Well, I refreshed one more time and a new white xfx popped up.

Just sucks its white on my all black system, haha. But it’s not like im showing my system off to everyone that walks in.

[cursive sage]

How much was it?

Oh, $703

[bold willow]

how u gotta slowly replace every part with white

which will end up costing twice the amount of paying for a 9070 above msrp

capitalism wins again!

[balmy lake]

Just doing my part to help team red close the gap.

[cursive sage]

displays aren't much better either especially in terms of OLED

high price here, high price there, high price everywhere

[balmy lake]

And its only supposed to get worse, right?

[bold willow]

I got an oled and I kinda wish I just got a $250 mini led

I think I hopped in too early

I don’t think the better colors and contrast are much of a difference for me

And the cons are

[earnest storm]

I have a vision disorder so I’m not even gonna bother with OLED

[cursive sage]

For the 9070XT what would all of you consider to be a good retail price?

[balmy lake]

Well, considering I just paid $100 over msrp for a non-xt, $699 or less. But good luck finding that.

[cursive sage]

I did see one for $750 but probably too much

These things are way too pricey

[bold willow]

i turned my FSR to FSR Quality from Performance and my temps went down

[cursive sage]

https://a.co/d/8ZNkycm

How’s this?

9070xt for $650

You do have to click the button that gives you eight different iptikns though

[delicate lake]

The cheap ones are like 500

Still crazy

[balmy lake]

At first i was like DAMN! Lol. But its either already gone or they realized they were going too cheap. Lowest one i see is $939 right now. Also, gotta be careful who you’re actually buying from on amazon. None of those sellers are Amazon or Gigabyte, even though it’s in the “Gigabyte Store.” Although one does ship from amazon. Still a 3rd party seller.

[cursive sage]

Oh yeah, it’s gone

The $650 deal

[bold willow]

this cooler master oled keeps popping up at super low prices (for oled) but people say theyre low quality https://computers.woot.com/offers/new-cooler-master-tempest-27-qhd-oled-monitor-4

i think its better to get a high quality mini led than these.

cheaper and probably better.

[high radish]

it has LG Woled panel. image quality isn't bad on those but firmware isn't update able. ABL works bit weird , reducing brightnes down to like 40% when you open big white page . Build quality is alright tho . it's super thin 🤔 I bought and sold few of those and didn't hear big complain. Only brightness reducing is very noticeable

[delicate lake]

Yeah thats crazy

Ima stick with fast ips for a while then

[bold willow]

I wish I got an IPS

I am always worried about burn in with my oled

Scared to leave the room with it on

[earnest storm]

Newer ones just don’t have that

[high radish]

I still using samsung minileds

ordered G9 oled back then when they came out but it was Doa . returned and still hanging out with regular G9

[bold willow]

mine: https://aoc.com/us/gaming/products/monitors/ag276qzd

[torpid snow]

Hey guys can somebody help me with finding a laptop good for music production/ picture editing AI and coding, audio, engineering, mixing and mastering

[bold willow]

any OS preference? Windows, Linux, MacOS?

cause everything u listed seems like a mac might work out

[delicate lake]

Linux production aint the best

Gotta run everything in wine which may not work well depending on the program

Fl studio runs pretty well in wine but I did not check other daws

Its gotta be windows because he said earlier it has to be a windows laptop

But we gotta know what the budget is big dog

[lament ingot]

Cooler Master makes... monitors?

[trim pier]

https://computers.woot.com/offers/intel-core-i9-13900k-unlocked-processor-3?ref=w_cnt_cdet_pc_dly_wobtn

Meh tech deal

[earnest storm]

Eh

It’ll cost way too much including better cooling and better psu

[bold willow]

$300 13900k is nice

If you actually need all of that

A 13600k is fine for gaming

[trim pier]

Well, pa120se or a 360 aio from thermalright should be fine

But ya PSUs, pricey

[tawdry dragon]

thinking of doing a 7600x (or even 9700x) minecraft server, thoughts? main focus is performance on 1 server, so prioritizing single core and ram over all

comepletely overkill I know, but want something that I can do anything on including file server, video streaming, minecraft server, or just experimentation in general

[bold willow]

7600? 8500/8600g?

[tawdry dragon]

Worse single core for not much less money

[bold willow]

12400f is $76 rn

Nvm outta stock

[delicate lake]

How much you wanna spend on it

[tawdry dragon]

Up to $400 for the whole build

Not including GPU since I'm not sure if I'm doing video streaming server

[delicate lake]

What do you think about this
https://www.newegg.com/p/2SW-0012-001X3?Item=9SIBSMJKCD8789&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883451090

Ok well here is a slightly cheaper version of the second one
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16883451054?Item=9SIACAGJGS8490

So for video streaming I think intel would be a better choice, but I think the ryzen would potentially have more single core

Ok I think I found the best one out of both of these
https://www.newegg.com/chuwi-corebox-x/p/2SW-003Z-00012?Item=9SIBFJJK424209&cm_sp=SP-_-2712190-_-0-_-3-_-9SIBFJJK424209-_-mini pc i5-_-i5|mini|pc-_-4

Yes it is an i3, but it has the most single core and also has good quicksync because it is relatively new

About 10% more single core than the ryzen

[tawdry dragon]

Sorry for late reply, but this is not really what I'm looking for

Looking for the best I can get for the budget, this would be great if I wanted something budget, but I have $400 and would like to get as good as possible

Technically I could buy 2 and run separate servers if I wanted to, but I'd rather have 1 really good server (5-10 people all running 32 chunk render distance flying in different directions without lag)

[delicate lake]

Yeah thats gonna take up a lot of ram

K hold up

This is a barebones 7845H $340. You can get like a 256 gig ssd and 32 gigs of ram for exactly 400
https://www.newegg.com/p/2SW-002G-000P3

Maybe a little over that? But it is power efficient at 15w

Nvm thats the h so it can use more but that is probably the best one