linux-and-android

[night charm]

guys why isnt my imessage working rn

[humble kindle]

@brave isle There are two settings for that in bios, check around

You want both enabled

[brave isle]

Hold up let me restart and check for that

Intel Virtualization

and what else?

[humble kindle]

Look for intel VT-D

[brave isle]

let me switch to my phone one sec

[humble kindle]

Intel virtualization is vt-x

[brave isle]

Ok I see it

So enable and restart?

@humble kindle I turned on VT-d and it is still throwing this at me

[humble kindle]

I would just try anyway - should still work, turn off vt-x if you have further problems.

Are you running hyper-v on the host?

[brave isle]

how do I check?

oh no it is off

my bad

[humble kindle]

I wouldn't worry about all these little details, is anything preventing you from playing around with some vms?

[brave isle]

it just runs slow

[rotund dirge]

Can't install wpa_supplicant without emerging world.

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-disintergrating-meme-emoji-disintegrating-meme-gif-21239978

[rotund dirge]

World was so much better before rust existed.

Has made my system install HALT to a complete stop.

Apparently Rust is notorious for taking 10EVER to compile.

So now it’s my least liked language.

[dusk kernel]

Just remember, you wanted to do this. grin

[rotund dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/spray-water-hose-king-of-the-hill-shoot-gif-10169394

Will spray head with water from hose.

[rotund dirge]

See. The thing is. I don’t mind gentoo. Install was going fine. But why tf is rust notorious for taking 15ever to compile.

Wtf does it have in it?!

Now I’m gonna have to learn the lang.

[strong plover]

Was this supposed to be easy? Or are you challenging yourself

[dusk kernel]

[Hank Hill voice] Well got-dang that rust! Maybe you should try some clean-burning propane and propane accessories?

[rotund dirge]

Nah it is easy.

It’s just taking longer than usual.

[rotund dirge]

Yo @strong plover want to see the boot speed?

This laptop just takes forever to post up.

8 seconds after grub loads to get to a login screen.

[dusk kernel]

Only 8 seconds? LOL... now you're tempting me to get my old IBM Thinkpad T21 set up and make a video of it booting. 🙃

[rotund dirge]

And that’s on a crap top lol.

Windows took 15 seconds+ to boot.

Longer I think tbh.

Just retimed, more like 7.

But yeah, double the boot speed.

Once I get a DE or WM loaded it’ll be faster.

[dusk kernel]

The T21 boot time is probably measured in minutes, not seconds.

[rotund dirge]

Lmao

[dusk kernel]

Now that I have a tripod for my phone-cam, maybe I'll take another shot at getting the T21 running so I can get that boot time video. LOL

[strong plover]

Just saw this! Nice

Mans not using a DE 👀

[rotund dirge]

[strong plover]

Are you tho?

[languid bluff]

do you think Linus uses Windows for Valorant?

[frank steeple]

Linus who

[strong plover]

Linus Sebastian?

[fallow belfry]

Or Linus Torvalds?

[languid bluff]

Torvalds

[fallow belfry]

He's 52, I doubt he games that much

[languid bluff]

My uncle went to middle school with him and he played a lot of Mario

so I think he plays Valorant

[strong plover]

So I am running Ubuntu studio 21.04. I want to upgrade to 21.10. It appears that there are multiple ways to do this. Any suggestions?

[languid bluff]

Use manjaro 😎

[outer flame]

Depends. If you have anything you want to save I would upgrade. But if there isn't anything on the hd you want to save I would do a complete install.

[dusk kernel]

Definitely back up any data.

If you have enough drive space, also save a copy of all the hidden files in your home directory until you complete the upgrade. I do this just in case I need to look at some random config file after the upgrade, but it's probably unnecessary.

If I'm reinstalling, I usually save a copy of /etc/fstab so I can more easily get my random drives configured quickly. I also often save a list of all installed packages "just in case." Your package manager (apt-something?) can probably export that.

For the question of upgrade vs. reinstall, since upgrading from 21.04 is supported, that's probably the better option.

[strong plover]

So yes. I do want to keep my data.

[strong plover]

I have plenty of storage on my drive. Are you saying backing up important files to the same drive is fine? I don’t know how risky upgrading is…

[dusk kernel]

I generally put all backed-up data/files/whatever on a different drive than the one I'm upgrading or installing to. So if you have different drives available, use them. :-)

[nocturne dragon]

Isn't System76 coding their new DE spinoff from Gnome in Rust...?

[rotund dirge]

No idea tbh.

But Rust just takes forever to compile

[strong plover]

Is rust a language or a framework?

[frank steeple]

Rust is a language, and a pretty interesting language too

It is "memory safe" (theoretically no memory leaks or memory access violations) without needing a garbage collector

[unique night]

22.04 is just around the corner, any specific need to go to 21.10 rather than wait?

[strong plover]

Well, in Ubuntu studio specifically they update obs studio to be able to use Jack audio which I really need

[unique night]

I've got Indri on one machine. Looking forward to Alder Lake support on Jammy. I'll probably just rock 22.04 until 24.04 unless I have a specific need myself.

[rotund dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

Don’t they have something called “unsafe” which allows them to allocate memory or something?

even though it’s not unsafe

[frank steeple]

Manual memory management can be unsafe if you aren't careful. As long as you don't use anything that needs the unsafe keyword though you should theoretically be fine

[river island]

does anyone know some good fancontrol software?

i got sensors to detect my fans i just need to be able to control them now lol

[strong plover]

Which fans? Like gpu fans? Or computer case fans

[river island]

Case fans

[strong plover]

Ah. I’m not sure. But for gpu fans, green with envy for nvidia.

[river island]

nvidia xserver settings worked for me

that sofware only worked to control both at once

since i have a rad and gpu fan

had to finda wsy to control rad seperately

[dusk kernel]

My case fans are controlled by the BIOS on an Asus TUF Gaming Mobo.

[strong plover]

Mine are controlled by bios too… that’s why I’m confused

[sleek halo]

SpeedFan

[dusk kernel]

Uuhh... this is the #linux-and-android channel. heh heh
https://alternativeto.net/software/speedfan/?platform=linux

[strong plover]

That alternative to page is actually useful xD

[strong plover]

I am trying to install the drivers for the TP Link WN725N wifi adapter. The procedures on the website, and other GitHub drivers aren’t working. Any help is appreciated

[fallow belfry]

Which distro?

[strong plover]

Ubuntu studio 21.10

[fallow belfry]

Is yours the v1 or v2 model?
When you say github drivers, do you mean the ones you have to compile? Because you have to enable that once it's done

[strong plover]

I actually fixed it and it’s working without any special drivers 🤦‍♂️

The reason I was using a USB adapter is because the built in laptop wifi wouldn’t show up, it was broken.

But the broken one overrode the usb one and made nothing show up.

So I went into bios and disabled the built in wifi, and it all works great now.

[strong plover]

I’m pretty sure it’s either the v1 or v3, and yes it is the recompiling drivers. I fixed it now, thanks anyways :)

[strong plover]

Now I’m having more problems installing Linux on this laptop. I have an m.2 ssd in it. I boot into the live install, but when I go to the install thingy it says that there is not a partition to install it to. (I’ve tried a lot of distros).

It’s a dell latitude 5480.
Here’s things I’ve done:
made sure safeboot is off
Tried both ahci and raid (rst) controllers
Using different USB ports for the install media.

It doesn’t show the ssd at all in Linux, not in gparted, not in disks, not in lspci, not in sudo lshw, nothing.

[dusk kernel]

Vague memories here, could easily be wrong... but... I'm thinking the installer might be looking for a drive set up for UEFI, but the drive is set up for Legacy. Or something like that.

[fallow belfry]

GPT format you mean?

Vs MBR

[dusk kernel]

Right.... if the installer is looking for GPT and the drive is set for MBR (?), won't that cause the installer to not find the drive?

I keep this on a USB drive for just such occasions....
https://www.system-rescue.org/

[strong plover]

This ssd already has windows installed on part of it. In UEFI mode.

Is there any bad thing if I boot from legacy bios?

Cause I’ll try that

[fallow belfry]

Sometimes Windows will lock the drive so the NTFS volume can't be modified, read, or written to. You'd need to disable hibernation, hybrid sleep, and do a full shutdown if that's the case.

[fallow belfry]

Linux doesn't care but that would mean you need to switch between EFI and CSM mode every time you want to switch OS

[strong plover]

Oh I’m not switching OSs lol. I’ve kicked windows to The Curb and slit its very throat. I probably spit in it too. Kicked it in the shins a few times. Drove over it as I left.

[strong plover]

This may be what happened. I’ll try those things.

[strong plover]

I think this is somehow the case. I did those things, but it still won’t show up.

[fallow belfry]

Interesting. Try booting up the windows recovery environment from a usb and see if the drive is seen by diskpart.

While you're there you can initialize the disk and wipe out any data on it.

[strong plover]

Is that the same usb I used to install it with?

[fallow belfry]

Yeah. You can select the recovery mode after language selection on the windows installer.

[strong plover]

I am looking for my stick drive lol

Found it

[strong plover]

Which one?

I’m guessing troubleshoot

Aight…

[bold pumice]

soo what's it look like when you try to install? lol

[strong plover]

Nah I’m in the usb stick trying to remove windows

[bold pumice]

easiest way to do that is a windows installation usb

you can go to advanced & delete all the partitions

[strong plover]

This is the windows installation usb

[bold pumice]

guess you can do that in gparted too tho

[strong plover]

I’m so bad at windows 😭 where is advanced

Oh wait I’m in it

Which one

[bold pumice]

where it says like something else, I foreget

[bold pumice]

that's not windows install usb

that's recovery environment

[strong plover]

Oh so I act like I’m installing it?

[bold pumice]

yes

[strong plover]

Ohhh I see

[bold pumice]

you sure you don't mind torpedoing windows? you won't lose anything important?

really strange it won't allow install

is this on a laptop?

[strong plover]

No I don’t have anything on it at all

This?

[bold pumice]

& it's not an external SSD?

[bold pumice]

ya if you delete all those, windows will be gone lol

[strong plover]

Nope, internal pcie nvme m.2

Just press delete, not format?

[bold pumice]

if you're sure you wanna do that then ya

just delete all of them

in the end all you'll have is unallocated space

"Drive 0 Unallocated Space"

[strong plover]

Okie let’s see

deep breath

Okay done.

Now do I just quit the install?

[strong plover]

Yep that’s what it says exactly

[bold pumice]

ya pretty sure if you quit now, everything is gone

[strong plover]

Here goes

[bold pumice]

I dunno whether it's better to reinstall windows first or do linux then windows

[strong plover]

I don’t want windows

There are issues

[bold pumice]

oh alright then

[strong plover]

Between my computer and windows, and between me and windows

[bold pumice]

which linux distro are you going to run?

[strong plover]

@bold pumice

[bold pumice]

ya sorry missed that part

[strong plover]

Ubuntu studio 21.10! It’s exciting, midi over network and obs studio running with Jack audio

[bold pumice]

I mean Linux is cool but can get really complex really quick lol

[strong plover]

And the low latency driver

[strong plover]

Yes and no. Now that I’ve been using it for a long time, windows is a challenge. I’m at home in Linux. You just have to be dedicated and learn it

[bold pumice]

what are the primary differences between ubuntu studios & regular ubuntu?

[strong plover]

Ubuntu studio come with the KDE deskop, the low latency kernel, and a ton of pre installed apps for like music and graphic design and video and all. Very helpful.

Everything is basically pre configured

[bold pumice]

I personally like Mint Cinnamon but only cuz it looks nice

[strong plover]

Mint is pretty cool

[bold pumice]

that's pretty cool that it comes like that

the only reason I've used Linux in the past is to keep otherwise useless computers alive

cuz it runs so light

maybe I should try it for something beyond that

I have a 250 GB SSD that's just for benchmarks... I could throw a partition on there

[strong plover]

Oh yeah! Its pretty great

Very light, very customizable

[bold pumice]

I installed it on my SurfaceGo2

I dunno what Microsoft was thinking selling that thing cuz it's really too slow to run win11 without being annoying & frustrating

did it work? did all the partitions go away?

[strong plover]

The partions are gone.

I’m seeing

NOOOOOO

[bold pumice]

?

[strong plover]

It still won’t work

I’m so sad

[bold pumice]

run gparted

[strong plover]

Installing it one sec

[bold pumice]

so it did work? lol

[strong plover]

It doesn’t show the ssd in gparted

:(

Just the stick drive for installing

[bold pumice]

if you run that windows installer again will it show?

[strong plover]

I’m so confusedddd

Yes! It always shows perfectly in windows.

But I can use windows because of a driver error with this particular computer

[bold pumice]

in the windows installer, if you create a new partition will it then show in ubuntu?

[strong plover]

Hmm

I’ll try it

Gotta go to bed soon lol

[bold pumice]

ah okay

[strong plover]

Wait.

[bold pumice]

I had a ton of crap to deal with installing this on Surface

but not this issue

[strong plover]

In Linux it can’t even tell that the ssd is installed

With lshw and lspci

[bold pumice]

even when windows was installed (before purge)

?

[strong plover]

Yes

It never has been

[mortal totem]

this is a nvme drive?

[bold pumice]

yes

[strong plover]

Yes

It’s a pcie nvme drive

[mortal totem]

only thing i can think of is for whatever reason the installer doesn't have the nvme drivers, but i don't think that should be a problem on a modern system

[strong plover]

Yeah

I really don’t know

And it’s not just Ubuntu studio. The other distros don’t see it either

It’s a team group mp33

[mortal totem]

you try another slot? is that the only drive in

[strong plover]

It’s the only m.2 slot there is

The weird thing is, I’m able to boot off an sd card (like camera memory) perfectly fine. And a stick drive. But it won’t see this

[mortal totem]

the drive comes up ok in bios right

[strong plover]

Um I think so

I’ll double check

[bold pumice]

I remember in Linux there being a thing that says "Additional Drivers"

does that recognize the presence of the drive?

[strong plover]

Yeah it sees something

[bold pumice]

what BIOS is this?

[strong plover]

Dell bios.

[bold pumice]

can you change SATA type to ACHI?\

[strong plover]

Already done.

I could try raid rst now…

Cause that was a conflict with windows before

Idk I’m just guessing

[bold pumice]

what is this on btw

[strong plover]

The laptop?

[bold pumice]

ya

[strong plover]

It’s a dell latitude 5480

With an i5 7200u

[bold pumice]

Do you have this option: System Configuration > SATA Operation & change RAID on to Disabled?

[strong plover]

Ye

[bold pumice]

Disabled

did you disable secure boot?

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000131655/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-your-dell-pc

[strong plover]

Whoa wait there’s a thing in that article

IT MIGHT FIX IT

It’s a kernel argument for the nvme drivers

[bold pumice]

I hope so

these random BIOS can be such a pain in the ass

like this older ASUS laptop I have won't run most versions on Linux kernel when I go to Advanced in GRUB

same with old ass HP laptop

just seems random

[strong plover]

Yeah

Ok so from what I’m reading this isn’t a bios issue it’s a driver issiu, but it should get working

[bold pumice]

well damn thought we might be out of the woods

[strong plover]

Ok I think I’m figuring it out! Now I know the exact problem.

But If this try doesn’t work, I’m going to bed

@bold pumice thank you soooooo much

[bold pumice]

np

I mean np if you succeeded

otherwise I didn't really accomplish anything but

lol

[strong plover]

Well you helped clear the drive

And sent the link that pointed me to the problem

:))

[bold pumice]

lol good enough then

[strong plover]

how do i "add a kernal argument at boot time"? its the nvme_load="YES" one. i got to grub, hit e for edit, but i dont know where to to it in, or if i need to erase anything.

[frank steeple]

Put it at the end of the line that starts with linux

[strong plover]

No extra words or characters or anything?

And what about the three dashes?- - -

Before or after those

[dusk kernel]

You have 3 dashes at the end of the line that starts with linux ?

Make sure you're actually looking at the end of the line... the way the lines wrap in GRUB always confuses me just enough to make me nervous about making changes. 🙃

Also, this might be helpful...
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters

[strong plover]

And it’s still stuck on that screen

[dusk kernel]

Try it with this.... nvme_load=YES .... i.e., without quotes around YES.

[dusk kernel]

Here's another Dell page that might be useful.
https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000131901/loading-ubuntu-on-systems-using-pcie-m2-drives

[strong plover]

I’ll try it

[strong plover]

Yes! This is the one I found last night. That’s what I’ve been trying, but it looks different on Ubuntu studio? It doesn’t have any of the Casper ones

[dusk kernel]

I suspect that you may or may not have the "casper" bits. That seems like something that may change over time because it's related to the installer config.
https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man7/casper.7.html

The most recent Dell page has:
Modify the boot option to add "nvme_load=YES" and remove "quiet splash ---"

So maybe removing the "quiet splash ---" part is important?

[fallow belfry]

At least that'll show any critical errors or failed loads

[strong plover]

But it’s still weird cause it’s on different lines. I replaced the quiet splash - - - with the nvme load. Still didn’t work.

Is all the text I see supposed to be one line?

[dusk kernel]

This is the "confusing line wrap" I mentioned earlier. I've always assumed that it IS one line, it's just displayed in a confusing (to me) way.

[strong plover]

Yeah I’m kinda baffled at this point. But at least I know what’s wrong, sorta

[true void]

I can't disable kernel lockdown

secure boot is disabled

[strong plover]

What distro are you on

Arch?

[true void]

yep

[ripe knot]

Dude#7479 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[dusk kernel]

whaaaaat? LOL

$ glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.381 FPS

$ export __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0

$ glxgears
76190 frames in 5.0 seconds = 15237.009 FPS

15K FPS.... wheeeee!!

Maybe the bot didn't like that I had 3 lines of glxgears for each command?

[dusk kernel]

I asked this on the Fedora server, so I'll drop it here too since it's already typed. :-)

I have a Fedora 35 + KDE system that can't download new Appearance stuff (color schemes, window decorations, cursors, etc.) via System Settings. This is the error I get when using the System Settings GUI:
"Loading of providers from file: https://autoconfig.kde.org/ocs/providers.xml failed"
If I start System Settings via a terminal, the last thing showing in the terminal when the GUI error message displays is:
kf.newstuff.core: "SSL handshake failed"

I've googled occasionally for months and haven't come up with anything to fix this. This is an upgrade from Fedora 34 and the issue was present there also. I have Ubuntu Studio + KDE on another system on the same LAN and it's able to download "new stuff."

Any suggestions? Until I fix this, I'll just keep telling myself that I don't need the "hot new stuff" because I like my current look and if I change something I'll surely make it worse. chuckle

[sleek halo]

NsCDE best DE

[strong plover]

Gosh it looks so vintage

[sleek halo]

It's a modernized version of CDE

[strong plover]

How do you make the terminal display all those things, and the cool picture thing

[sleek halo]

neofetch

[strong plover]

Is that a program or a command

[sleek halo]

Both?

https://github.com/dylanaraps/neofetch

[strong plover]

Oh nice

[true void]

arch user suppository

[strong plover]

The Average Arch User

[true void]

[strong plover]

What the

[true void]

wdym "What the" i posted whats so CONFUSING

[strong plover]

davewhenheisjustlayingthere

Thats so confusing

[dusk kernel]

I think I have all the important stuff squared away now. One last annoyance is the inability to download "new stuff" via System Settings. I guess that's next.
https://gyazo.com/6f3605b8c61c0dd6f8479ea40432c392

[unique night]

48GB RAM?

[sleek halo]

32GB kit plus a 16GB kit most likely

[unique night]

But why?

That'd be like mixing a pork roll with egg and cheese.

[sleek halo]

Because if you have the RAM, there's no reason to not use it

[fallow belfry]

Idk why but that sounds delicious

[sleek halo]

Pork Roll Egg and Cheese best song

By Ween

[unique night]

Mourning Glory is the best song by Ween. And Frank is better than PRE&C

[strong plover]

Definitely. If I suddenly got 2x16 then I’d throw my 2x8 in there for 48 gigs. Wouldn’t be the fastest all across, but hey, it’s a lot

[sleek halo]

Yeah, depends on if you need higher speed or more RAM

[strong plover]

Yeah.

I’d probably opt for the more ram

Davinci resolve can literally eatttttt ram down.

It also loves gobbling up vram. Which I only have 3gb of.

I wish you could upgrade gpu ram lol.

[dusk kernel]

Correct.

The short version of the story is... I had 2x8GB and wanted more so I could set up a RAM drive for the cache of a specific application. So I bought 2x16GB (same speed etc.) intending to not use the 2x8GB. Then I got tired of seeing the 2x8GB sitting on the counter unused and reinstalled it. I still haven't set up the RAM drive though. LOL

[strong plover]

What’s the best software for ram drive on Linux? Or rather, which one do you plan on using?

[dusk kernel]

I'm not aware of an application to create a RAM drive on Linux. The last time I googled, I found a variety of ways to set it up manually. Setting up the RAM drive itself is not extremely complicated. However, I only plan to use it for one application, and I need to configure that application to use the RAM drive.

OK, now I'm aware of a couple of Linux RAM drive applications. They're listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_RAM_drive_software

[strong plover]

Nice! Thanks. I’ll probably try one

[stuck python]

I'm going to turn my workstation PC into a Blender box on Garuda Dr4gonized!

[frank steeple]

Any reason why Garuda?

[stuck python]

I like the way it looks

I'm still very new to linux

[strong plover]

Garuda interesting….

[kind panther]

Arch for first time users

Interesting

[strong plover]

Linus flashbacks

I would definitely recommend an Ubuntu based distro for first time users….

[kind panther]

its.

DEBIAN BASED.

[strong plover]

Garuda?

Ohhh you mean it would be called debian based not Ubuntu based?

I mean, Ubuntu is based on debian soo

[nocturne dragon]

Hey, if someone cannot get a usb wifi adapter to work in Pop_Os what should their first step to troubleshoot be?

My friend is trying to get a Archer T2U Nano adapter to work.

The adapter is working correctly in Windows in case anyone thinks it may not be working correctly itself.

[kind panther]

Install the drivers

[fallow belfry]

Wireless and Linux have a complicated relationship

Sometimes there's open source, or even first party closed source drivers. Other times you need to compile from source. And then there's the ones that just... Don't work.

[strong plover]

Is deja dup good?

[nocturne dragon]

Yeah, thankfully, my friend cloned a git repo and installed a general purpose driver that wasn't exactly for his wifi adapter that worked

[unique night]

Sheeeeit. My last 3 installs of 20.04 wouldn't recognize my wired connection without help. At least my m.2 wifi adapter was recognized on one of them.

[fallow belfry]

Ndiswrapper can help sometimes too, forgot to mention that. It lets you use the windows driver.

[strong plover]

I updated my desktop computer to Ubuntu studio 21.10 today. It installed some updated/new software too. I haven’t even looked through the whole thing yet, but I’ve been in the audio production section. Out of the box it comes with auto tune software (it’s not bad actually), a Yamaha emulator (don’t remember which one), qsynth and some amazing sound font libraries, and obs studio now is easy to use with JACK. And that’s not even all.

I’m very happy, this is actually a big bonus to me.

[dusk kernel]

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before, but KXStudio might add some useful stuff also.
https://kx.studio/

[strong plover]

I’ve looked into that! I haven’t found anything in there that doesn’t have a peer in Ubuntu studio yet. Do you use kxstudio?

[dusk kernel]

I use Claudia and maybe another application or two that I think are only in KXStudio. It's been a few years since I started using this combo so I'm not sure which repo contains the various applications.

KXStudio was a full distribution & live CD for a while. But there's only one guy doing the bulk of the work, and he eventually (and sanely) chose to drop the distro and live CD to focus on the applications and repository.

[jovial patio]

i'm a bit scared of moving to linux ngl, it's mostly just if any software i normally use breaks or if some games that i like don't work on linux.

It's not like i'm heaps interested in moving to linux, but it's just something to think about if i ever do really want to

[fallow belfry]

You can dual boot. That way you can still game on windows and there's little risk while you learn how to Linux.

[mortal totem]

You can do dual boot in case, you can attempt to configure a vm if you have enough resources with something like qemu kvm or maybe xen idk

Looking glass works decently for gaming vms but still is a bit buggy

[dusk kernel]

WINE might allow you to run a required Windows app if it's not available on Linux.
https://appdb.winehq.org/

[strong plover]

Anyone here have experience using linVST?

Or am I the only Linux musician here

[dusk kernel]

I'm just a singer, not a musician. BUT... I just remembered a relevant web site:
https://linuxmusicians.com/

[mortal totem]

You are only one haha

What daw you use btw

[strong plover]

Thanks! I see some threads about it

[strong plover]

I will use whatever is free and I like lol. I like tracktion waveform 11 a lot right now. I like it better on windows I think, just because of plugin support. But there’s a lot less latency on Linux.

I’m trying ardour at the moment. It’s more confusing, because the tracks are either midi or sound or busses

And in waveform it doesn’t matter

[mortal totem]

I used reaper for some of my live recordings, pretty nice and customizable and apparently has linux support. Its “free” too

[strong plover]

Mostly I just need something that lets me play my keyboard with a good sound and low latency. And recording is a bonus tbh

[strong plover]

I haven’t actually tried it! I thought it was paid with a free trial….

[mortal totem]

Yes it is but the free trial actually never expires xD If you are fine just clicking a prompt saying that it is trial version when you open than it can be free

[strong plover]

That sounds fun lol

[mortal totem]

I had my free trial for ~400 days i think haha

[strong plover]

It doesn’t like mess up the sound or limit exporting?

[mortal totem]

No the trial version has all same features

[strong plover]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-weird-clapping-evil-laugh-gif-9962946

I will try this….

I’m always in search of better software

[reef swallow]

Idk if this is a networking issue or proxmox but for some reason my proxmox servers web GUI will just stop and any attempt to access it will time out

Also the VM I have running can’t be accessed when this happens through RDP

And my public ip doesn’t respond anymore when pinging it

[sleek halo]

From the VM, can you ping other devices on the network?

[reef swallow]

I can’t access the vm

It’s like my server just drops off the face of the earth until I restart it

[sleek halo]

I don't have much experience with Proxmox in specific but have you checked the logs for Proxmox?

[reef swallow]

Not currently

Although rn I’m trying to access it from the outside of my network so I don’t have physical access rn but I’ll check that later

[sleek halo]

Ah yeah, you will need physical access and be on your network to really fix anything

Unless it magically starts working and you can connect to it again

[reef swallow]

It typically doesn’t but I’ll check every now and then until I get home

[mortal totem]

do you have a ip manually specified in proxmox and the router

I've had issues with proxmox before refusing to connect or dropping connection when a ip is not manually specified, also double check all your firewall rules on router and within proxmox itself. idk if you have a remote access controller but if the connection dropped completely you will likely need physical access

[strong plover]

I found some software called yabridge! It’s used for running windows vst plugins on Linux.

[forest latch]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-breakin-windows10-windows-computer-gif-21384541

[rotund dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[strong plover]

[tender sentinel]

is there like a 'open file location' in ubuntu?

[strong plover]

From where?

[strong plover]

I just installed Ubuntu studio on this laptop. I went to update stuff, and this came up. The same message in the terminal also prevented me from installing brave browser

Any suggestions?

I mean I could always reinstall, but if it’s still gonna be a problem I need to know

I don’t even know if that would fix it

I restarted and tried again and now it’s this

Ok I ran that as sudo and I think it’s working now…. Sorry

[mortal totem]

Smh

[undone lichen]

linux moment

[strong plover]

It fixed

I was just confused the first time it showed

[strong plover]

Aww

So cute

So stinky

[brave isle]

Can you host a network folder on linux (lubuntu) then connect to it with windows 10

I’ve been trying to use some samba util thing in terminal

but im not great with linux so it’s not really working 😂

[abstract wigeon]

I don't see why you couldn't

[mortal totem]

you can, I'm not sure exactly how to manually configure a share from linux only connect, but ye need smb or cifs

[rotund dirge]

There’s a program called nfs-server on most distros.

And then you’d edit /etc/exports.

Then use samba to connect.

[zealous lantern]

okay but why is this tux neckbeard-shaped?

[mortal totem]

i thought nfs doesn't work with windows

[brave isle]

Thanks, i’ll see if this works later

I did install cifs earlier

Some of the commands for samba/cifs guides were outdated and the commands didn’t work

[rotund dirge]

It does. Put the directory and the IP in your /etc/exports and it should work fine.

[strong plover]

You can actually do network shares through a gui if that’s easier for you

[strong plover]

He is!!!!!

[zealous lantern]

does he always look like that

[mortal totem]

Hmm i should try again sometime

[brave isle]

Mind sharing a link please ? 🙂

I am not very good with linux commands

I think ubuntu can do network shares easily but idk if ubuntu will run well on 8gb Ddr3 and a pentium and 5400rpm hdd

[mortal totem]

Might be fine i run ubuntu vms with 2c 2gb ram all the time

[strong plover]

I just do it from the file manager (I use Kde, so it’s dolphin), and I’m on Ubuntu studio.

I don’t know any specific software that manages it, but I’m sure it exists

[strong plover]

Anyone have experience with hosting a mumble server on a raspberry pi?

[storm linden]

What is the best free antivirus ?

[mortal totem]

malwarebytes is decent for scans, but other than that windows defender is good enough. although this is linux chat and i don't think either of those are available on linux.
I don't know of any traditional antivirus software for linux but there is SELinux that is meant to strengthen security

[storm linden]

I think malwarebytes not free?

[mortal totem]

there is a free version for scans but that's generally all you need. at least for windows there is defender that will actively scan files you download and run and if defender ever misses something you just use malwarebytes to get rid of it

[storm linden]

I clicked the free download but 14 days trial always appear .

Then when installed premium trial indicated ?

[mortal totem]

I believe so

[strong plover]

Tbh you don’t need antivirus on Linux.

Come fight me.

[mortal totem]

as linux gets more popular is will become more a concern, but atm ehh. just watch what you are downloading and make sure it's all trusted

[strong plover]

Totally!!!! Me finally finds the right keywords and pulls up a random guys GitHub page and downloads without thinking about it

[fallow belfry]

The best antivirus for Linux is not running shell scripts from the internet and using random commands you found in a forum

[unique night]

I'm solely Ubuntu distros, so no experience with anything else except Fedora a long while ago but couldn't get my TouchPad working and abandoned it immediately.

Is anyone excited for Jammy release?

[dusk kernel]

I seriously doubt that"general purpose Linux on the desktop" will ever be popular enough that it's a profitable target for virus writers. Until that popularity level is reached, anti-virus software for Linux isn't likely to be really necessary.

"Linux as a server" is definitely popular enough as a target. But in that context a mere anti-virus application is only one of many different tools than can be employed.

So yeah... being mindful of the sources of your downloads etc. is the best course of action.

[mortal totem]

Well yes, most of the time people are using linux for specific things, but its possible as gaming on linux rises and more tinkerers come in with devices like the steam deck

[maiden pine]

I recommend https://www.virustotal.com/
They make a browser extension that intercepts downloads and scans files before they even get to your computer.
The system works by uploading the file to... some server farm somewhere, I dunno, where a whole ton of antivirus software scans the file.
You can also right click on urls and scan them before going to the website or making an online purchase.
Cons:
On Linux, the browser extension is your only line of defense, and if you're like me, you'll constantly forget to use it.
VirusTotal keeps a public record of every file ever uploaded, so if you accidentally sent them your tax information... Whoops! Too bad.
Some of the antivirus software will flag any unknown executable file as "dangerous", so your baseline for GitHub repos is going to be 3 or 4 alerts, not a clean 0.
And of course, since there isn't any good antivirus available for Desktop Linux, and virustotal is simply a collection of antivirus software, I'm not sure how effective it is at catching threats for this operating system.

Oh yeah, and forgot to mention, virus total only catches files that come through your downloads system. You won't be protected from a mysterious flash drive you find on the side of the road.

[sleek halo]

Usually anyone using Linux should have to technical knowhow on what's a sketchy website / thing to download and what to avoid, etc

[dusk kernel]

Now I'm hoping to find some mysterious flash drives just so I can be irresponsible. chuckle Nah, I wouldn't be all that irresponsible, I'd use a random old computer and boot a live CD/USB or something like that. ;-D

[fallow belfry]

I'd be happy to send a mystery flash drive. Just uh, don't expect to use the device you plug it into any more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_Killer#%3A~%3Atext%3DA_USB_Killer_is_a%2Cwhich_can_damage_hardware_components.?wprov=sfla1

[dusk kernel]

Ooooo... that's evil! LOL So someone needs to make a version of the "USB condom" that filters/limits the power flow but still allows data flow.
https://int3.cc/products/usbcondoms

[kind panther]

You coulda called it a funnel mate

Since it it is funneling data flow

[fallow belfry]

Power supplies are supposed to detect surges like that. Depending on the response time, that killer usb could take out just the port it's plugged into or the whole pc.

[nocturne dragon]

Hey guys, and yes I know this is a niche of a niche... of a niche... use case, but does anyone know what I might be able to do to use a Windows Mixed Reality headset in an Ubuntu based distro?

I do definitely understand that this likely won't be a thing I can get working but I thought it would be worth a shot to ask anyways since I already have that type of headset from a handful or less years ago rather than have to save up for an HTC headset or Valve Index.

[fallow belfry]

Linux tends to see headsets as separate hdmi displays. The individual sensors could be decoded. The problem is getting it to work properly and seamlessly. Microsoft has all of the necessary software but it's under wraps.
Perhaps you could get it to work under wine or a vm

[nocturne dragon]

Ah okay. Thanks for letting me know

[strong plover]

Currently, the best way to run windows VST plugins is through a program called yabridge. It is fairly straightforward to use, and it is seamless in your daw. They also have a very helpful discord server linked on the GitHub page. Just google yabridge.

Please pin that in case musicians come.

[vagrant pelican]

i guess chromeOS falls under linux? 🙂

[strong plover]

I’m not sure if it would run on chromeos, you have to be able to install wine staging

[vagrant pelican]

oh i meant the purpose of this channel

sorry i'm new just browsing around where/what i can chat about

[strong plover]

I mean it’s not gonna hurt to ask here, there’s not a dedicated channel for it.

[vagrant pelican]

ah ok

[strong plover]

I don’t have experience with chromeos because google is theh wurst

But other people might have more to say

[tight eagle]

hehehe

I am pronouncing chromeos the other way in my head

chrome E ohs :)

[strong plover]

Wait Whatt

Kek double you

[zealous lantern]

antivirus is a meme

just don't download sussy stuff unless you really know what you're doing

this can also be said about losedows ameliorated

[sturdy sand]

"Don't download stuff if you dont know what you're doing" not everyone who owns a pc knows enough about stuff like that or what's a virus and what's not, and that's what av is for.

You can't expect people who don't know much to just not download anything

[kind panther]

inb4 you get viruses without downloading a file

[zealous lantern]

oh no

tbh if you go for an antimalware

make your own

[kind panther]

what?

that is

just

what

just get malwarebytes

[abstract wigeon]

Why would you make your own, it's not gonna be able to keep up with something like Malware bytes unless you have a big team like them working on it full time lmao

[vagrant pelican]

Lol what

Dont forget javascript/browser viruses are a thing

Driveby etc

[rotund dirge]

Ez, just don’t use browsers.

[abstract wigeon]

Best antivirus is not connecting to the internet ever

[vagrant pelican]

[strong plover]

Yes. Fully agree.

Honestly,sometime I’d like to try that. Make a partition on my laptop or something and install Ubuntu studio and strip it all down, even internet and fancy window effects. Make it super nice for audio.

[zealous lantern]

only on losedows

[kind panther]

and macos

[mortal totem]

i mean it's true, just don't use internet smh. also lock the computer in a basement with bio security

[nocturne dragon]

Hey, does anyone know how to clean up remnants of a DE? On my Zorin OS install, I installed KDE Plasma and it caused issues in both DEs due to Zorin coming with a custom Gnome DE. Now my scaling for my display is messed up in both, my minimize/close buttons are messed up in both, my cursor in Zorin is broken, intellihide isn't working properly in Zorin DE, etc., etc.

I believe I have uninstalled most of Plasma but the cursor, application close/minimize, etc. are still the KDE breeze theme defaults alongside weird scaling of text, app icons, and more inside the DE.

I want to completely restore my old Zorin OS install and know no way to directly do it without just reinstalling the entire distro and losing my games again.

[rotund dirge]

You could do a deepclean to uninstall software dependencies for software not on your system anymore.

Though idk how you’d do that on Zorin.

[fallow belfry]

Since it's Ubuntu based you can just use apt
sudo apt-get autoremove sudo apt-get autoclean

[nocturne dragon]

I will try this

[fallow belfry]

No idea if it'll help but that's how you clean up old depends you don't need

[strong plover]

Whyyyy can’t I find any raspberry pis in stock anywhere

[mortal totem]

You’re late to the party my friend

[strong plover]

Ha ha. L O L.

So incredibly funny

I hate chip shortage

all i wants is a raspberri py :((

[strong plover]

I am looking for a good Linux compatible audio interface. Any suggestions? I need midi and at least 2 ins and outs.

Currently looking at the Behringer umc404hd.

[mortal totem]

i don't know much about linux compatible interfaces, but definitely try to avoid anything that requires proprietary drivers, you would likely hit a brick wall. some of behringers interfaces I know have worked ok but the only one I have does not have a lot of io

[dusk kernel]

This thread (and this site) might have some useful info:
https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23766&p=137982&hilit=Behringer+umc404hd#p137982

[strong plover]

Focusrite preamps and build quality is soo much better then Behringer I found out. But they do have a headache for Linux support

[mortal totem]

They are plug and play with most systems but idk about linux, I could attempt to use reaper to see if it works on a debian system since I actually have a scarlett 2i2

[strong plover]

Nice! If you could that would be great! Is it a second gen or 3rd gen 2i2?

[mortal totem]

3rd gen, ill try it out tmrw

[strong plover]

I used anbox to make a fake phone on Linux. If I sign in with my real google account, is there risk of it being locked down? Should I make a “burner” account?

[mortal totem]

and I am back, this was first time using my scarlett on my debian machine but I can say first impressions are it works surprisingly well. took me about 5 minutes to setup. focusrite does not have official linux drivers for it but I am using JACK Audio Connection Kit (qjackctl) and reaper was already setup to accept jack as the main audio source. just had to configure JACK before starting the server. But also as of rn I only have 1 input and 1 output connected @strong plover

though on the discord side of things im getting this now lmao

i think my pulseaudio crashed, btw jack uses alsa as backend

yup

[strong plover]

If you want to use it with discord, you have to have a pulseaudio bridge.

I have wayyyyy too much experience with Jack and pulse bridging

I was mainly concerned with the Scarlett working at all, but thanks!

And it didn’t look like the latency was bad either.

[dusk kernel]

Can Ubuntu use Pipewire? I think that Fedora has replaced Pulseaudio with Pipewire... but I've never done much with audio on my Fedora system so I don't know what it's using.

[strong plover]

It is kind of a hassle to use pipe wire. I watched a YouTube music person about how he replaces pulse with pipe. He said in the end it wasn’t really worth it, but since he had configured everything he wasn’t going back 😂

[dusk kernel]

LOL... yeah... been there, done that. Like, if I had known it would be this much headache I wouldn't have done it, but... now that I'm done and it's working, I'm leaving it alone.

[strong plover]

Loll

I’m sticking with pulse so far. I haven’t had issues.

And why fix what ain’t broke

[dusk kernel]

I think I disabled Pulse on my Ubuntu Studio system so that I didn't have to deal with the bridge.

[mortal totem]

i do have it set to 128 but ye latency wasn't bad at all. I don't know how to setup midi so i couldn't try that but ye. don't know when my pulse broke though haha

[dusk kernel]

There should be some sort of Pulse Audio monitor called... wait for it... "Wrist"... har har har Yeah, that was pretty bad.

[strong plover]

Does your Scarlett interface have midi in it?

[mortal totem]

no the only interface i have with midi inputs is my motu

[strong plover]

Which do you prefer in Linux, motu or Scarlett?

Because I heard both of those should technically be compatible

[mortal totem]

well hard to say because rn i only have deadbeef with alsa and reaper with jack and all other audio broken but i remember the motu was pain in linux because it has several inputs, loopback channels midi etc

I might try again one day

[maiden pine]

Can I offer you a Pi Pico in this trying time?

Oh sorry I was way further behind in the conversation than I thought.

[dusk kernel]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/4796

At the other end of the spectrum...
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4864

[strong plover]

Those are both in stock :(

[dusk kernel]

I know... that's why I posted them. :-)

[frank steeple]

@dusk kernel RPi pico isn't really the same thing at all though

It's closer to a beefed up Arduino than it is to the other Raspberry Pis

[strong plover]

But sadly my 3b and 4 with even 2gb of ram, AND the raspi zero w and zero 2 w are alllllll sold out

[dusk kernel]

Scroll up. I didn't suggest the Pico first, Wolf Icefang did.

[mortal totem]

🥴

[dusk kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-woof-bark-ruh-roh-gif-4303248

[maiden pine]

I was memeing about the pico. Anyways, can someone please tell me the size of my SSD? this is a (relatively) brand new install, all I downloaded at the time was LibreOffice and Plasma Discover; there's no way it would be taking up almost 60 GiB...

I've asked in the KDE Matrix room twice but they're quite busy and I've been swallowed up by other questions both times.

[dusk kernel]

In Info Center... Device Viewer... Look 2 lines above the one you have highlighted.... "nvme0n1" That should give you the information for the entire drive, not a single partition.

[maiden pine]

Alright; that worked. 931.5 GiB does in fact equal 1000.2 GB... that's one mystery solved.
However the second issue still looms: when I look at the size of my root folder, (the thing called /), it's 60.4 GiB, but when I tally up all the files using filelight, the total is 15.9 GiB. (Numbers are a bit higher now because I've been using the computer.)
There's no way I installed a 60 gig operating system from a 32 gig flash drive.

[sleek halo]

Were you connected to the internet?

[maiden pine]

Yeah
I can reinstall and stay offline (temporarily) if that's likely to fix the problem.

[sleek halo]

Obviously you did not transfer 60 GBs from a 32 GB flash drive, the installer downloads updates and other optional files if connected to the internet

[fallow belfry]

File compression is a thing too

Linux compresses remarkably well because of how many things are literally text documents

[maiden pine]

Ok.
Is this normal?

I do have it set to "swap file" mode which I picked just because that's what I picked last time.

I also set it to "use proprietary drivers" instead of "use open source drivers" because I don't know if I need them.

[fallow belfry]

The EFI partition being empty is a little odd but maybe the partition is just too big

[maiden pine]

Yeah it's not empty, it's just 288 KiB in a 300 MiB partition.

[fallow belfry]

300, dang. Windows defaults to 32mb for that lol

[maiden pine]

no? Windows documentation says "minimum 100 mb" https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/configure-uefigpt-based-hard-drive-partitions?view=windows-11

[strong plover]

Speaking of partitions. How do I shrink my main Ubuntu studio partition? It’s always like locked, same with the efi

[dusk kernel]

"gparted" is a well-known partition management tool. But I'm not sure if it does lossless partition shrinking.

[snow turret]

Fairly certain it does

[dusk kernel]

Same... I'm just not willing to guarantee it. :-D

[maiden pine]

My mystery has been solved! Apparently ext4 file systems automatically reserve 5% of storage for the superuser. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Ext4#Reserved_blocks
I wasn't able to figure it out myself because I was always looking at the amount, not the percentage.
And that's why my install size was so different from other examples online.

[kind panther]

windows does 50mb efi

or 100

i don rember

[strong plover]

Windows does 100. And you can’t adjust that at install time.

@kind panther I still can’t make my efi file bigger In preparation for the hackintosh, any tips?

[kind panther]

minitool partition wizard in windows

[dusk kernel]

Now you've got me wondering how I got my /boot/efi partition to be 246MB. Hmmm.

[frank steeple]

Yes, as long as you don't shrink the partition to smaller than the amount of data being stored it'll move the data around and rebuild the inode table as necessary

Which can sometimes take a few seconds

[dusk kernel]

Cool, that's what I thought. I hadn't done it in a while so I didn't want to speak authoritatively about it. :-D

[finite cargo]

What could cause a graphics tablet to work in a live environment (Garuda) and not work when installed?
The only difference I can think of is that I installed bumblebee because it's a hybrid GPU laptop.
The pen input works, but the screen shows no signal (XP-PEN Artist 15.6).

Back in the live environment the screen worked perfectly.

[strong plover]

I don’t know about arch specifically, but for all my Ubuntu stuff I can’t install proprietary nvidia drivers until I install. So maybe the open source drivers with the live environment let you run it, but the ones you installed won’t? Just a suggestion.

[mortal totem]

anyone know how to expand a ubuntu os volume. I have ubuntu 18.04 in a vm and ran out of space so I expanded the drive but idk how to expand the os. if anyone knows where i can find documentation on that it could help, i will check later

[fallow belfry]

Do a live boot of the iso and use gparted

[strong plover]

Openmediavault or trueNas?

Or other suggestions…

[mortal totem]

i use truenas as it's been pretty stable in my experience but truenas also doesn't like if you start doing some things outside what they intend

i use in vm

[mortal totem]

i shall try later

[dusk kernel]

I've never done that kind of partition sorcery, but this seems like it might be helpful...
https://www.nakivo.com/blog/increasing-the-size-of-a-disk-partition/

[strong plover]

How well does the vm perform?

And is there a lot of hassle passing usb storage devices to the vm?

[mortal totem]

with drives I directly passthrough the sas controller on my board so i can see all the individual drives. for usb it might be a bit harder or just tedious. I haven't used usb drives in a vm much for long term use. but you can look around to see if anyone have issue with that. probably depends more on the hypervisor i suppose. but truenas itself I find pretty stable in vm

I give it something like 6cpu 32gb ram in terms of resources

[strong plover]

Interesting. Right now I think my only good option is a usb enclosure for this drive.

Also, my computer I plan to run that or omv on IS a 6 core 16gb ram machine 🥲

[strong plover]

Has anyone used something called syncthing?

It’s for syncing files

[strong plover]

I am trying to use a keyboard and mouse only for a vm. Like a pass through. I’m using virtual box. When I go to look at the usb devices and add filters, it just says that there aren’t any devices.

Any hints?

[mortal totem]

Id opt to do a qemu kvm setup for vms, has worked a bit better for me in the past. But for the best experience id get a separate usb controller to passthrough to the vm

When you do it by usb device id it can be a bit buggy

[strong plover]

So like on my motherboard, I have a usb controller that is attached to the cpu chipset, and another one that just has a separate name. Would I try to pass that one through?

[mortal totem]

sorry i walked away fgrom pc for a bit @strong plover you can try and see what happens but there is a chance it will not work. just have a backup plan to quit the manager in case it steals all your peripherals. a separate controller works best. I've even used the usb controller on my gpu io and that worked fine

some might have a different controller for thunderbolt or certain usb ports and such, depends on mobo

[strong plover]

Hmm. First I have to figure out how to set up a vm with qemu and KVM. Then I’ll try it

[mortal totem]

look around for qemu kvm installation with virt manager you can find some guides around

[strong plover]

Thanks! Will do.

(After I get home later)

[final timber]

I have used syncthing. I haven't had any problems with it. The interface it well done and it has been reliable.

[strong plover]

Do you have it running on a central server to sync to/from?

[final timber]

I do have it on a central server, but it is not necessary because it works peer to peer.

[strong plover]

Does a copy get stored on the central server too?

[final timber]

Yes

[strong plover]

Does it still sync when you’re on different networks? Example: if you have the server and a desktop pc on the same network, and you take your laptop to somewhere else and create a new file, will it sync at the point provided the desktop is on, or does it wait

[final timber]

Yes it can sync across different networks. It will try to make a direct peer to peer connection but if that fails it will use public relays. I have my central server port forwarded so that it can always be connected to without nat hole punching.

[strong plover]

Nice! I will be attempting to set up some sort of file sync on an openmediavault server

[kind panther]

LOLLL

[frigid oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kirby-linux-windows-breaking-arch-gif-22738083

[frank steeple]

Man breaks windows to get windows

[rotund dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-vision-halfed-what-if-marvel-gif-24610987

[maiden pine]

Not even Windows 11 lol

[frigid oriole]

win11 is cringe

[maiden pine]

I spent like 5 minutes looking for some sort of "bold of you to assume you have any choice in the matter" meme but alas, I found nothing...

[frigid oriole]

i would install win8, thats more scary

[strong plover]

Plain windows 8, not the safe win. 8.1

[frigid oriole]

y

[strong plover]

I has two laptops with 8.1 still on them

v smol laptops.

And 2gb ram

I love them tho. So tiny and transportable

lm-sensors or netdata

From the real jake

[mortal totem]

@strong plover btw if you wanted to do a gpu passthrough too or something of the sorts i just found this video so show about what's its like setting up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVDUs019IB8

[frank steeple]

xp

[strong plover]

If you want to gain tremendous respect and sound incredibly intelligent, do this.

WARNING! Make sure you are only around tech-stupid people!

Oh yeah, my computer wasn’t working right, so I sudo apt get updated, ran dpkg dkms, I sudo grep lsmodded, checked neofetch, my DE was glitched, I cd’d to dev sda 1, then rebooted my computer. Eh, it’s fixed now.

[tender ivy]

Now if only I could remember to say all that without having to memorize it.

Because.... what? Lol

[strong plover]

Lol. Once you see the words enough you’ll jumble them together easily enough

[nocturne dragon]

I would like to acknowledge that I am asking for something that is either rare or doesn't exist before asking this question. Here goes: Does anyone know any good free and open source VPNs with no data caps (like ProtonVPN) and the ability to connect to more than 3 countries?

ProtonVPN is the only one close I found. It only has Japan, USA, and the Netherlands as their free options for connecting and I would like to either find one with more options or another one with the same amount of options for different countries to download alongside it.

[kind panther]

openvpn

requires setup

not oneclick and ur done

but should work

[mortal totem]

no other service is going to give free options like that unless you use openvpn and setup the network yourself but not everyone can do that

[strong plover]

I resized my EFI partition, and now i can’t boot into either windows or Linux. Any suggestions?

[strong plover]

Fixed it! Ran boot-repair off a live usb

Still have to figure out if windows is working tho….

[strong plover]

Okay. Windows is not working. I used a live usb and opened gparted. I selected my efi partition and hit Check, but i got all these weird errors that are summed up in the pic below

[kind panther]

well

gues u gotta reinstall

[strong plover]

dies can i reinstall only windows, or will i have to redo everything?

Also, check windows chat. Theres more evidence there.

[kind panther]

u can do just windows

only do custom install

[strong plover]

And just choose the current windows partition?

[kind panther]

yeah

delete it first tho

[strong plover]

Delete it from the windows installer?

https://silentinfotech.com/blog/steps-to-install-windows-10-on-existing-ubuntu-16-04/

This seems similar

[kind panther]

delete the partition

and create new ones through the installer

[strong plover]

Hm. I’m slightly confused but ill try it after my school is done

[nocturne dragon]

Thank you for letting me know :D

[nocturne dragon]

Alright, thank you for and the other person for letting me know.

[silent eagle]

Whats an ultra lightweight linux distro that works as a mobile os for slow devices?

[strong plover]

Lubuntu. Not sure what you mean as mobile, as I don’t think it will run on a phone. But it’s nice for old laptops

[fallow belfry]

I know for a fact linux will run on Android devices. I have an old phone I installed Kali to.

But I think the question meant "mobile" as in running off removable storage, which lubuntu does and you can have a persistence file, and it's lightweight so it'll run on slower devices.

[strong plover]

@kind panther i finally got all my partitions worked out and windows installed correctly stonks

[kind panther]

Very nais!

[true void]

ok i know theres a program to check the current mousepoll rate I even installed it whats its NAME

[dusk kernel]

Google told me it might be "evhz."

[true void]

yeah!!!

thank u

[dusk kernel]

Thank Google! 😄

[strong plover]

I think @dusk kernel is a better googler than all of us

[dusk kernel]

I'm actually watching this video at the moment -->

[fallow belfry]

Google is certainly a skill. Getting what you're looking for to pop up on the first page can be tricky.

[kind panther]

Its quite simple actually

Just need to sacrifice and pledge the data of your firstborn and urself for the rest of your lives

[strong plover]

I use duckduckgo because I like privacy more, but I definitely use google when there’s an answer I can’t get first off through ddg. But sometimes google is dumb because it won’t give obsolete Reddit threads, only popular answers. But that might be my skill issue not google

[abstract wigeon]

I use duckduckgo because I hate myself like privacy more, but I definitely use google when there’s an answer I can’t get first off through ddg. But sometimes google is dumb because it won’t give obsolete Reddit threads, only popular answers. But that might be my skill issue not google

You made a spelling error

[strong plover]

Oops my bad

I just wish I could use their search engine without it taking my data

[kind panther]

tbf a tracker and adblocker makes it better

[fallow belfry]

Honestly I don't care that Google tracks me. It's a little eerie sometimes when I'm talking about soap or something and the next ad I get is for soap lol.

Not even typing, irl talking

[kind panther]

sheeeeee

thas no good

[abstract wigeon]

I mean better just chuck your smartphone in the bin or use lineage OS and only side load apps

[strong plover]

If I can the the screen repaired on this old galaxy a11 I will totally do that.

I use an iPhone currently

I half trust it.

Well, not even half

But I don’t trust google at all

So I will not be using android with google ever.

[frank steeple]

I use ddg because I like the quick suggestions

And the fact that you can use basically any other search engine from ddg, so it's a convenient landing page

[abstract wigeon]

Fair enough

[dusk kernel]

@kind panther Why should anyone care, or need to know, how old @abstract wigeon or anyone else is?

[abstract wigeon]

Lol he is joking

[frank steeple]

We all know Pato is actually 19

[abstract wigeon]

Did you think i was actually 59

[abstract wigeon]

20*

[frank steeple]

Oop, forgot about that

[abstract wigeon]

Close enough tho

[frank steeple]

You did have the birthday role recently didn't you

[dusk kernel]

Oh, I'm sure it's a joke. Point is... why is being 59 a joke? punk-ass kids need to remember that if they're lucky they'll get to be grumpy old farts some day.

[abstract wigeon]

October

[dusk kernel]

Yes, that was me being old and grumpy. LOL

Also....

https://tenor.com/view/you-kids-get-off-my-lawn-cranky-old-man-suburbia-americana-gif-14239371

[frank steeple]

I'm old and forgetful 😂

[abstract wigeon]

Your explanation

[abstract wigeon]

Apparently me too

[kind panther]

add 40

and u correct

[abstract wigeon]

Since there's no android channel imma ask here, i have to use a crappy moto e5 play till my phone gets repaired, how can i improve performance? Any super light weight browsers/apps i can use instead of the usual

[frank steeple]

Moto gang

[abstract wigeon]

And i already tried resorting to lineage but it just would not recognise my phone as adb device in bootloader mode

[fallow belfry]

Sounds like a locked bootloader

[kind panther]

he said he unlocked

[fallow belfry]

Sure you can do the unlock command but some devices just plain ignore that

Especially Verizon and to a lesser degree AT&T

[kind panther]

yeah but this be ireland

so i dont think thatd be an issue

[fallow belfry]

Eh, true it's less common in international models. But not unheard of.

[kind panther]

fair enough

[abstract wigeon]

nope its an unlocked phone

[dusk kernel]

You're apparently not old enough to operate that device. 😏

[kind panther]

?

[strong plover]

For a Samsung galaxy A11, and if I want to be very private, what is a good phone operating system?

[strong plover]

It doesn’t look like there’s lineage os for it

[tender ivy]

Hey I'm in this ss :P

[kind panther]

Pixel experience gsi

[strong plover]

best way to install tor on ubuntu? There's lots of options i guess

I could use the one from the website, but it doesnt really integrate well, only clicking the file

and idk if the apt repos are up to date

ima try some stuff and if it works to my satisfation ill letcha know here ig

[fallow belfry]

Best way I know is the official tor browser. There's a tarball download, you might need to compile it.

[strong plover]

I downloaded the one from the website! It works like I want it to.

It has a .desktop file that has all these comments at the beginning, basically all I had to do was ./file name — application add

It just moved it to my .local/share/application folder

So it’s all happy now

[kind panther]

Hmm

I might install android/linux on my old iphone

[strong plover]

Stonks let us know how it goes

Ultimate middle finger to Tim Cook

[kind panther]

checkra1n and project sandcastle ftw

lemme see

shouldnt take too long'

[strong plover]

Get rekt iPhone

Will it run native?

[kind panther]

hmmm

sad

iphone 6s is unsupported

NOOOOOO

my iphone 7 was supported

and i never tried this

https://tenor.com/view/my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-gif-20080022

[strong plover]

Aw that would have been such a funny thing to brag about tho

[kind panther]

Might have to remember to do it on mums iphone 7plus when she is ready to swap

[strong plover]

Just do it now and see if she notices

[kind panther]

LOL

nah ill do it when she gets a new one

[kind panther]

This is psychotic

people who dip pizza in milk are not my friends

[strong plover]

I was just talking in another server called Ubuntu hideout a bit ago.

And they have that emoji there.

I was like yessssssssssssss

[strong plover]

[dusk kernel]

🪦

[strong plover]

[strong plover]

I like Linux cause it’s fast and I don’t have to pay for it and I can make my computer do what I want and it has a functional command line unlike windows annnnd I can change desktop environment

[fallow belfry]

Plus Microsoft will do everything they can to stop you from doing something they consider stupid, like deleting driver files directly from the windows folder.
In Linux, it's more like "oh you want to rm -r / ? Don't forget to sudo!"

[strong plover]

Yes!

[mortal totem]

idk I managed to delete half the main windows files once xD

but tbh I like linux because its fun to tinker with and there are some really cool things you can do in production, but for practical work use id use a windows or mac just so there is less chance of any hassel when I have to get something done

[dusk kernel]

BLASPHEMY!!!!! LOL j/k!

A Linux-phobe on a different server recently said they didn't want to use Linux and I replied "looks for a frowning Tux emoji...." That is literally all I said with no further comment by me. They and another person proceeded to tell me how Linux makes it really hard to do anything productive, and that they hate Linux because Linux users are smug.

I knew better than to reply because those people are not open to change and nothing I said would matter. But it definitely pissed me off for a while. The fact that it was a group of people whom I had expected to be more open-minded than this was particularly annoying. There was just so much irony and hypocrisy in those few comments that it kinda blew my mind. LOL

[zealous lantern]

I find Linux more useful for older hardware than newer big rigs.

But that's a great way to repurpose older generic PCs.

Do any of you Linux users make use of it on newer PC builds?

[strong plover]

Mine is a newer build, my cpu is the oldest and it’s 2019 I think. I use Linux. I get better performance than on windows on the same machine

[strong plover]

I think that Linux is more productive than windows actually, I can customize shortcuts easier, tiling windows is easier, and the command line is very fast for me.

[zealous lantern]

It honestly is.

Does it depend on the distro you want?

Whether it's something like Debian or Arch families, etc.

[strong plover]

Different distros are designed for different things I’d say. I like Ubuntu a lot. But I would not be opposed to using arch at some point

I think productivity and ease of use depends more on the desktop environment than the distro.

[zealous lantern]

Yeah, I thought so.

Imagine running a ~~GNU/~~Linux on a super-ancient handheld like the GBA or NDS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF7nvzaIITg This tutorial gives art majors like me hope.

[fallow belfry]

I use Linux on my 5800X/3080ti computer as my daily OS. I only switch to windows to game or benchmark.

Side note - Nvidia drivers suck on Linux

[zealous lantern]

nice

i figured they do

have a hard time on linux

[fallow belfry]

Closed source is generally bad on Linux in general. Here's hoping that hacker group releases the source code for the drivers so the community can fix/improve some of the long term issues.

[strong plover]

Usually I don’t root for the hackers, but right now, I’m hoping all the source code either gets leaked or made open source

If it was leaked, I don’t know how much we’d be able to use because it’s technically illegal

[fallow belfry]

As long as it's publicly available and whoever edits the code doesn't profit from it there's not a lot of legal recourse available for Nvidia

Now the dlss source code they already leaked, no one that can use that will come anywhere near it

[strong plover]

So people aren’t allowed to use dlss code?

[fallow belfry]

The problem with the dlss code is the only people that can make use of it are AMD and Intel. If lines of Nvidia code started showing up in FSR or XeSS, they'd be sued in a heartbeat.

[strong plover]

So, as consumers and driver developers , the average guy could not implement dlss in some sort of driver for Linux? Or does Linux already have dlss

I don’t remember atm

[zealous lantern]

i absolutely root for hackers as long as they care about preservation (which includes frii gaemz)
on top of making stuff accessible to everyone equally

if they care about being legal and safe then they're worse than pirates

since those so-called "good haxx0rs" tend to snitch

[fallow belfry]

DLSS requires a supercomputer to process the upscaling

At least for the preprocessing

[strong plover]

Ok so I won’t matter if everyone is allowed to see dlss code. Just amd and intel can’t use it

[fallow belfry]

Yeah. The only potential issue with the source code being out is potential security flaws being exploited but that would be a stretch.
If you had a purpose built supercomputer you could design your own version of DLSS. Not a lot Nvidia can do about it as long as you don't profit from it.

They can send cease and desist orders all day long, and you'll probably have to fight a long court battle. But even if the corporate lawyers spin it like Nvidia lost money from you doing it, there's not really any jailable offenses involved.

[strong plover]

Interesting.

I just hope that somehow, nvidia makes the gpu drivers open source. It’s a stretch, but I would love it if they did it voluntarily

[fallow belfry]

That was one of the demands of the hacker group. Not likely.

[strong plover]

I read that. But it sounded like, release them as open source or we(lapsu$) will

It would make nouveau soo beautifully obsolete 🥺

[fallow belfry]

Making the drivers open source is different from the source being available. Open source implies creative commons license for others to use and modify.

If you just took the code and made a driver without the legal right to do so, they would have several reasons to shut you down

[strong plover]

Yeahhh

I wonder why nvidia hasn’t made the drivers open source though? Amd has.

Also I might sound super dumb, I haven’t researched this at all

[fallow belfry]

They claim security issues

Having the code just out there lets malicious actors analyze it to find weaknesses and exploits

Even though that's already happened at this point lol

[strong plover]

Having it out there also lets the good guys see the exploits and report them, maybe for money (bug finding rewards maybe?)

[strong plover]

[fallow belfry]

Yeah some of the better companies do bug bounties

[strong plover]

I think Apple does bounties

[fallow belfry]

Kind of

[strong plover]

But yeah, I think they could have better security with the whole community looking at the drivers, especially if they give bug bounties.

Not worse

And especially the sticky situation they’re in now.

Might as well authorize it rather than fight it

[fallow belfry]

We'll see what direction they take in the next couple years. AMD is more competitive than ever, and almost every leak shows them beating Nvidia at much lower power draw.

It would be a great PR stunt for the community

[strong plover]

Escanor, and leaks, say the 40 series will be efficient

We’ll see

[fallow belfry]

They have the potential to be efficient but their issue is they need to close the gap in performance. The best way is to cram more power into the core.

500W+ 4090 FE is in the cards

And the latest ATX spec allows for up to 600W on the 12+4 pin connector

So that might be a hard limit for overclocking without power mods

[strong plover]

That’s more watts than my whole psu

[fallow belfry]

The PSU will be able to tell the GPU how much power it can draw using the sense pins. 150-600W

[strong plover]

150 not bad not bad

[fallow belfry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500102568408776724/955865571654762546/16479665069124010856934294902452.jpg

150W is the current 8 pin spec anyway

[strong plover]

Ohh I see

One thing I don’t like about amd, is they’re not catchy. They don’t have a cool name like Nvenc, or dlss.

And they don’t have cool people doing the keynotes and stuff

[fallow belfry]

There's FSR and now RSR

[strong plover]

This is purely from a marketing thing something they could do better

[fallow belfry]

Lisa Su has been great at keynotes, just not as meme-worthy

"3090 tie" lol

[strong plover]

Nooo not tie 😂

Also, cuda

[fallow belfry]

That one's just fun to say

[strong plover]

NO JOKE

me going around to my Mac using friends bragging about my cuda cores

[fallow belfry]

That's a great way to sound smarter around people that don't know

[strong plover]

Oh I unabashedly do it all the time.

And when someone knows what I’m blabbering about, I know I have a friend

[fallow belfry]

My wife loves when I talk tech. She doesn't get any of it but still.

[strong plover]

That’s sweet of her. She’ll listen cause you’re passionate about it probably

[fallow belfry]

Yeah she's a good listener. It's only fair I listen to her talk about celebrities in return.

[strong plover]

Heheh

“Guess what ~~~~~~~~ did now”

[dusk kernel]

At first I thought you meant a necktie with "3090" on it... which would be a funny reference to mispronouncing 3090ti. 😃

[strong plover]

Noooooooo lapsu$ guy got arrested :(((((((((((

[mortal totem]

lmao

can't imagine why

[strong plover]

I wish he’d leaked everything for free

[strong plover]

Nooooo!!!! Now our Linux systems will be more vulnerable than ever!

[strong plover]

I love that one. Funny thing is, it’s not an exaggeration

[strong plover]

Nativefier is absolutely amazing

I am now gonna turn my websites like for music into apps

[rotund dirge]

It really isn’t.

Because you can just install a different bootloader.

[strong plover]

Does anyone successfully use the Apple Magic Mouse with Linux? I have a friend who uses a Mac but is switching to Linux, but his biggest thing is giving up the Magic Mouse. It works with Ubuntu, but no gestures. Anyone know anything about that?

[fallow belfry]

Gestures are going to be a software thing

Software needs to read the extra mouse data and figure out what to do with it

Maybe some sort of a button mapper would work, if the various axes work

[strong plover]

Hmm okay thanks

[austere ridge]

@brave isle

rockt leg

[brave isle]

hop on

[austere ridge]

i gtg

@brave isle ill dm when back or smt

[mortal totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/506148741821104139/960159201022337064/received_395855001992911.jpeg

[strong plover]

We will shoot thee

[kind panther]

Windows is better tho

[strong plover]

U the worst

[dusk kernel]

For some people, yes Windows is better. For some people Apple is better.

[strong plover]

And for some people, Linux is better

[fallow belfry]

*most

[strong plover]

Yessssss

Tbh Linux is good for old people. No offense to them though. But it’s fast on their old computers, it’s easy, (gnome desktop), and I feel safe that they won’t accidentally install bad software on it

Or get hacked easily.

[fallow belfry]

Exactly. It's hard to break linux without going into the command line and that scares most people off.

[strong plover]

Exactly. My mom is now a Linux user.

Because she could easily click a bad link and windows stuff is soo much more common rn

[fallow belfry]

Virus makers will target the largest audience they can, and that's overwhelmingly Windows right now. I've seen a few written for Macs though.

[dusk kernel]

My first thought when I saw "W.A.P." had nothing to do with penguins. Gee, thanks Cardi B.

[kind panther]

You know i said that as a meme right?

thats why i used an emoji literally called weggDumb right after?

[strong plover]

I’ve never heard that song but I know what it means

[strong plover]

There is a liiiiitle bit of truth to it tho

[strong plover]

I wonder if we should stop encouraging Linux so that virus writers ignore us

Nvm jk I’ll never stop

[kind panther]

kinda yeah

windows pisses me off

but i cant switch to linux because the only 2 games i play dont work on it

[strong plover]

Ye I was gonna say, it’s basically games that hold most people back

[strong plover]

Windows not having a bash terminal makes me mad

If my linux terminal was a human and a girl I would kiss it

[kind panther]

it does its called ur fist

and the gui is the pc

tldr bash the pc

[kind panther]

thas kinda sus lad

[strong plover]

*bashes it *

[strong plover]

Says the Very sussy stick

[kind panther]

i think that says a lot about how sus it is if not more

[strong plover]

Yes. It is Sus

[frank steeple]

https://github.com/MrGlockenspiel/activate-linux

In case anyone was missing it when they switched over to Linux

[strong plover]

Downloading now 👍

[finite cargo]

I needed this in my life.

[strong plover]

What desktop is that taskbar from? I like how it looks

[finite cargo]

It's the LXQt widget that archinstall sets up, and I selected the GNOME theme.

Gave up on my old setup because Electron apps kept freezing and decided to reinstall Arch. I was prompted about this setup script and it's honestly quite nice. Makes installing Arch on new drives much faster.

[strong plover]

Nice.

I use electron apps a lot. I make them with nativefier

[finite cargo]

Oh I've heard of that, sounds pretty cool.

[strong plover]

It is very handy

I use them so I don’t have to keep switching browser tabs or worry about closing tabs playing music if whatever

[ionic chasm]

Linux bad