when Im developing off my mac I spin up virtualbox with debian cuz windows is unusable as a dev environment for me, but virtualbox is fine for that
#linux-and-android
mossy flume
when Im doing secops sort of work, its a dedicated kali box
if you're someone new just trying to learn your way around it, win host and try it out as a guest os in virtualbox is very low risk and easy to reset
you also dont have to deal with install then, just get a prebuilt image
given his question I assumed it was a "learning to use it" sort of situation, but maybe I shouldn't assume there
frank steeple
fallow belfry
So what she's saying is she'll marry Linus Torvalds after the divorce
frank steeple
He's taken
fallow belfry
Like that'll stop someone
frank steeple
Tbf, Linus was something of a unit in his younger days, so I wouldn't blame her
Kinda looks like Mr Incredible
Nice face, ex military officer bulk, smarts...
tight eagle
He kind of looks like a 120 degree scan of someone's face
cosmic zodiac
is 20 ping good for wireless
kind panther
is 20 ping good for wireless
Yes
cosmic zodiac
oh that explains the divorce
brave isle
I came across a decent youtube video if anyone is having trouble with installing wifi adapters for kali linux
frank steeple
I came across a decent youtube video if anyone is having trouble with installing...
You doing device pass through or something?
night charm
posting in the linux channel because i know people here are a bit more concerned on cybersecurity
opinions on this?
ironic that it is on youtube which is owned by google...
anyways
it does seem somewhat legit, but i wanted to get other opinions
frank steeple
It's glossing over a few things
frank steeple
The main thing is that not collecting or selling user data is only part of privacy. You also need to protect the user data
Apple has had more than one vulnerability lately that allows remote attackers more or less complete administrative access to their devices. These "what happens on an iphone stays on an iphone" type ad campaigns started ramping up after the first few big vulnerabilities were made public on the NVD
Not saying that it's necessarily connected, but it's pretty safe to say that apple is trying to make up for almost leaking all the info of every iphone user out there
night charm
i see
mortal totem
I would like to easily disable trackers because they annoy me personally, but generally ye anything on the internet will have security issues
signal sierra
I still find it hilarious that people think bill gates wants to microchip them while Google has been taking photos of your home every year and logging your favorite preferences
mortal totem
See that is why gates is single now
river island
so everything was working fine
on ssh
now suddenly i cant connect
oh the lovely crappy fail2ban
which bans you
another stupid issue
i have the rootpassword all setup
and its saying that crap
untold yoke
Is there way to edit the file path in the default gnome file manager?
river island
@frank steeple do you know of any remote monitoring for ubuntu
frank steeple
<@!590241344803569675> do you know of any remote monitoring for ubuntu
What sort of info do you need?
river island
What sort of info do you need?
something like htop
wtih network usage
and disk space (like df -h)
and something that i can just go the ip and check on it
frank steeple
If you don't mind using cli, you could always just ssh in and have a look at the commands that you want
Take a look at the glances command
frank steeple
First release candidate for kernel 5.13 is out, expect full release in seven weeks. Among other things, we're looking at improvements to GPU drivers for AMD and NVIDIA, lower latency networking, secret memory spaces, official support for the M1, better power management, better free sync, etc
Also kernel drivers for thrustmaster steering wheels
dusk kernel
@river island Maybe something on this list would be helpful? A couple mention remote monitoring.
https://linuxhint.com/best_system_monitoring_tools_for_ubuntu/
peak reef
Isn’t it hard to install a browser on Linux?
peak reef
https://tenor.com/view/linux-linux-users-technology-browser-gif-19105729
Bruh look
Thought it was hard
night charm
lol
i mean even on arch you just type 'sudo pacman -S chromium' into a terminal
downloads and installs in about 2 seconds
river island
Exactly
dusk kernel
To those who never use the terminal, it seems difficult. Installing software on Linux does occasionally become VERY difficult if there are dependency issues. I don't think that sort of issue happens on Windows. If it does, it's much less common on Windows than on Linux.
zinc harness
I’ve had to steam and discord through the terminal for some reason on Ubuntu
fallow belfry
The vast majority of things you need on Linux are pre-packaged into tidy little archives, like windows install executables. It's pretty rare that you need to mess with coding and compiling yourself.
zealous lantern
The thing about Linux is that you'd mostly use it to mess around, whereas you'd play your games on Win10. I use both on two separate SSD.
dusk kernel
@fallow belfry "coding and compiling" are not the same as missing package dependencies. To be fair, I haven't had that problem in a long time on Linux, and then it was probably due to trying to use an application that didn't have "official" packages for my distribution.
@zealous lantern I've been using Linux as my primary desktop OS at home for decades. Sure, some of that is "just messing around," but Linux can be used for nearly anything that Windows can be used for. The areas where Linux is lacking, e.g., gaming, as you mentioned, is generally not due to any shortcoming in the OS, but is due to lack of support by the application/game producer.
zealous lantern
Yeah, there's an endless cycle there.
People don't use Linux as much for that due to the lack of support, but the support doesn't exist due to the lack of users.
dusk kernel
Exactly. Until there's profit to be made I can understand why manufacturers don't invest much in drivers, and game publishers don't invest in native Linux versions of their games.
frank steeple
https://tenor.com/view/how-linux-users-install-a-web-browser-linux-linux-users-g...
That's a program called Hollywood. It displays random fancy looking stuff on the screen, like Hollywood hackers
peak reef
That's a program called Hollywood. It displays random fancy looking stuff on the...
Lol thanks, I genuinely thought it’d be hard to install a browser
frank steeple
Nah, that's just a meme
The gif that Zacheri posted is pretty much how the installation process looks on most systems
frank steeple
Yup, it's actually usually easier to install software on Linux, since most of the stuff you need is in the curated one click install repository
night charm
and honestly- i think command line package managers are still easier than typical windows installation
and while you might think "googling chrome and pressing download is still easier than learning a command" you gotta look at it from the perspective of somebody whos never installed software before
if they learned typing in for example, "sudo pacman -S chromium" or "sudo apt-get chromium" they would probably be saying downloading an installer is harder
drifting grove
Is Linux better than Windows?
frank steeple
Is Linux better than Windows?
Depends. For server definitely yes, for learning yes. for software development mainly yes, for gaming mainly not
Video editing mainly not, CAD definitely not
dusk kernel
Just like any OS or application or hardware choice... "It depends on your needs."
night charm
id even argue for the "grandma" use case linux is better
if all you do is email/web browsing/video streaming linux is more lightweight which makes it faster
and more confidential; windows you have to log in with a microsoft account and if you dont they nag you every 5 seconds to do so
hazy river
I give my bro's laptop a local account on win 10
It never nagged him once about it tho
mortal totem
lol
kind panther
On my old laptop linux used to boot in ~2 mins while windows 10 was ~6 mins
Linux amazing at keeping old hardware going
dusk kernel
I've got an old Surface... sadly it's not a Pro so I can't install a decent OS. And it's basically locked to the MS Store as a source for applications. 😦
uneven wyvern
I wonder if there's a way to flash a new os on an older iPad or be able to develop apps for it still
frank steeple
That's a question more for #mac-os-and-ios
kind panther
I wonder if there's a way to flash a new os on an older iPad or be able to devel...
there isnt.
you can go back ios versions if you have blobs saved but not ahead
each software update file is custom made for every device and are not cross compatible
uneven wyvern
That's a question more for <#796889156269637632>
I don't ever talk in this server :)
kind panther
I don't ever talk in this server :)
so?
you dont need to talk to read channel names and think which one a specific question belongs in...
brave isle
kk
tawdry nest
Can anyone get serato studio running in Linux its a daw like FL studio
frank steeple
@tawdry nest Any luck getting it running through wine?
tawdry nest
I'm going to have to try that 🤔
Is there anything @frank steeple I have to do specifically im new to wine
frank steeple
It may or may not work, and even if it does there's no guarantee that latency will be low enough to use
First thing to try is to just execute the installer with wine
tawdry nest
Ah OK I will try that
frank steeple
Odd that they don't list support for AMD processors
@tawdry nest How much experience do you have with serato?
tawdry nest
I have been using for 6 months and ya they don't really support amd but im going to get them to change that later I hope
For there dj software I say 10 years
frank steeple
So not really an option to use an alternative like LMMS
tawdry nest
Probably can make it work some how I had a meeting with them 2 weeks ago about adding color blind mode
Which kinda baffled me why no daw has it
frank steeple
I very much doubt a single person would be to convince them to port an entire software suite. Adding something like colorblind support is relatively easy.
You'll probably be stuck either emulating through wine or running on a VM if you want to use Linux
tawdry nest
Ok thank you
vapid crane
linux best
cosmic turret
ew
bold pumice
I have an old ROG laptop (GL502VT) & I set up a dual-boot w/ Win10 & Mint. The first time I used Mint, it went great. Every time after that I get this error: [Firmware Bug]: ACPI region does not cover the entire command/response buffer. I can get it to boot Mint by adding "acpi=off" at the end of the linux line in GRUB, but it's not much of a solution cuz all that shows up is the wallpaper. I don't know if the problem is I added 2560x1080 (external monitor setting) or what. I already disabled fastboot & secure boot. Anyone else have this problem?
resolution added w/ xrandr by the way
fallow belfry
Update your kernel. The version that ships with mint has issues with advanced graphics on boot.
It doesn't get updated the normal "apt-get upgrade" way, you need to specify the new version to install
bold pumice
do I have to add a repository?
fallow belfry
Nope. It's all part of the main branch
bold pumice
You think ubuntu would run better?
fallow belfry
Mint runs off Ubuntu lol
bold pumice
okay let's see if I can open a terminal in this state
haha oh ya
ah terminal works
fallow belfry
"Install or Upgrade To Latest Linux Kernel on Ubuntu 20.04 & Linux Mint 20 – Linux Hint" https://linuxhint.com/install-upgrade-linux-kernel-4-9-2-ubuntu-linux-mint/
bold pumice
thank you. I was just reading about mainline & other methods but I'm gonna use this
I've used ubuntu for years but I've never really fully grasped it
or really even partially
fallow belfry
Most people don't really need to know beyond the basics
That default kernel version works fine on everything except higher power systems, typically nvidia throws the error
bold pumice
This laptop is pretty old now. It's like circa 2016
I read Ubuntu Linux for dummies
but I'm still a dummy
It does have a GTX970M. Should I uninstall nvidia drivers?
fallow belfry
No it'll be fine with the new kernel
2016 isn't old by Linux standards, that's still well within support range for LTS releases. My 2009 laptop on the other hand...
dusk kernel
2016 isn't old by Linux standards, that's still well within support range for LT...
You're tempting to get my Thinkpad T21 working again. chuckle
dusk kernel
The photo isn't working, but do you mean this?
http://oldcomputers.net/heathkit-h89.html
The T21 was running Bodhi Linux... until I decided to upgrade it and made a mess of things. I think it will still work if I sort out a suitable distro.
frank steeple
Yup, that's the beast
dusk kernel
You should put a Raspberry Pi in that H89. 😁
brave isle
how well would a raspberry pi 4 b do as a small server
dusk kernel
It depends. What would the RasPi 4 be serving?
wet pasture
What is your favorite Linux distribution ?
cosmic turret
bruh
undone lichen
bruh
frank steeple
ripe knotBOT
Cyberic#5527 has been warned
Cyberic#5527 has been warned
Cyberic#5527 has been kicked
dusk kernel
Well that escalated quickly.
wet pasture
It depends. What would the RasPi 4 be serving?
Man 🙂
mild knot
I know k3s can run on rpi4 but I was wondering can a full k8s run on a rpi4 cluster?
frank steeple
I know k3s can run on rpi4 but I was wondering can a full k8s run on a rpi4 clus...
Yup
I'd recommend going with the pi4 and using a distro like ubuntu that has full support for 64 bit
https://opensource.com/article/20/6/kubernetes-raspberry-pi this is a decent guide. Don't know if it still works, but it did a year or so ago
mild knot
Thank you so much!!! I'll try this weekend
untold garden
How do I get permission to show pics of problems
fallow belfry
You need to get to level 3 to post pics
Anti-troll measures
Just talking normally for a bit in chat will level you up pretty quickly
hoary sand
so i was trying to optimize ubuntu for gaming but virtualbox only allows up to 256mb of vram even after going into powershell and using ./vboxmanage modifyvm because 256 is the max. I only really need up to 6 - 8 gb for minecraft, light video editing and such. still new to linux.
any help?
fallow belfry
So under Vrtualbox, Settings>System>Motherboard, it only lets you go up to 256 MB?
How much memory is on the computer?
frank steeple
so i was trying to optimize ubuntu for gaming but virtualbox only allows up to 2...
If you want any decent graphics inside of a VM you'll probably want to just set up pcie passthrough
kind panther
so i was trying to optimize ubuntu for gaming but virtualbox only allows up to 2...
If ur running a vm to play games and expect more fps than the host system ur in for something else
Host system will do things faster
tropic rampart
Hello. I've got a Z590 Pro Wi-Fi motherboard paired with an i5 10400. The client I built this system for requested Ubuntu 20.04, currently I've spent around 8 hours total building and troubleshooting.
Issue: Wired and wireless Wi-Fi connections we're not working up until a few minutes ago when I fixed that, but Bluetooth still isn't working. Anything you guys would recommend trying?
fallow belfry
Have you updated to a stable kernel version?
tropic rampart
Running 5.8.0-53-generic
fallow belfry
Stable line is up to 5.12.6, and 5.11.22 is End of Life
You're a tad out of date
tropic rampart
Gotcha. I'll update to 5.12.6 then
tropic rampart
Yea. So cant get 5.12.6 to work
fallow belfry
What commands did you use to update?
ripe knotBOT
Wildgust421#7794 has been warned
tropic rampart
Oh... I'll just SS the commands lol
fallow belfry
Yeah that works lol
tropic rampart
Actually I'll just use a pastebin easier
fallow belfry
That's version 5.0.0
tropic rampart
I changed the links out in the commands I used ofc
Saw the commands for updating to 5.0.0, assumed stitching the links to 5.12.6 would just work would it not?
fallow belfry
Probably not because you copied it out of the mainline, not stable
tropic rampart
That would make sense
fallow belfry
That would make sense
Sorry for the delay, Here's the appropriate commands. Every subtle difference means a failed download. Let me know if there's any errors.
If you can't boot you can always choose "advanced options for Ubuntu" in the bootloader and load the old, working kernel.
tropic rampart
Will do. Should I remove all of the old ones first?
Well all the ones that I've downloaded so far I mean
fallow belfry
Updating the kernel often helps with kernel mode drivers (like wifi)
A simple "apt-get autoclean" will purge anything in the downloads if you're paranoid. I set the install mask to specifically target files with _5.12.6- in the name.
tropic rampart
Gotcha. So then it shouldn't matter.
fallow belfry
Nope. dpkg will only target files you specify, but a wildcard like *.deb will install every single package in the download folder.
frank steeple
Host system will do things faster
Theoretically with a good VM you could get better performance in some titles, but yeah
kind panther
Theoretically with a good VM you could get better performance in some titles, bu...
theoretically doesnt usually work out though
frank steeple
@fallow belfry Just now saw this, but any reason not to use the kernel from the central repo?
fallow belfry
HWE
He's having trouble with a newer wifi module, new kernel should help.
frank steeple
5.10 should be recent enough for that chip
fallow belfry
Entirely possible, but no harm in a newer, stable kernel version unless there's errors on install
If there's problems it's easy to revert, one of the nice things about Linux vs windows.
covert scroll
I messed up. Accidentally denied my user access to my home directory, so I can no longer putty into my server. Is there a way to putty into ubuntu as root?
fallow belfry
Yes but you'll need the password to root, which is a randomized string. Only way I'm aware of to know the password to root (without using sudo) is to change the root password. This is inherently a bad idea.
frank steeple
Changing the root password is fine, as long as you keep it secure
I think you should still be able to use ssh to solve the issue though. Lemme try something real quick
Yup, it worked. Open up powershell and run ssh <username>@<server> sudo bash. Once you login, type source /home/<username>/.bashrc and you should be able to fix the permissions from there
The formatting might be a bit odd, but besides that it should be a working terminal with administrative access
covert scroll
Awesome, thx. I'll give that a shot in the morning
bold pumice
Good morning. I managed to install Mint on my SurfaceGo2 but now GRUB loader won't show on Boot. I used bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi and it worked once but doesn't anymore. Secure Boot & BitLocker are disabled
kind panther
What about fast boot?
bold pumice
I'll check now. I just stumbled on a workaroud. If I go to Recovery & do Advanced Startup I can select ubuntu and get into Mint
In Surface UEFI I don't even see a fast boot option
btw if I turn BitLocker back on will I not be able to use Linux at all?
or I bet I will be able to using the same Advanced Startup but it'll probably make me enter that 48 digit key
to heck with that
is it possible to set Advanced Startup everytime in msconfig?
covert scroll
Yup, it worked. Open up powershell and run `ssh <username>@<server> sudo bash`. ...
No luck
covert scroll
How might I install the driver? Guides online are telling me that the drivers should already be installed?
It's an old card: and RV620 GL (Firepro 2450)
dusk kernel
A wild guess that won't hurt anything, but might not do anything either.... type: startx
Also... I have this vague (and probably wrong) feeling that due to your system being set up as a server, and maybe headless, you might need to change the boot mode in GRUB. But wait for one of the Techie folks to confirm that before changing anything.
covert scroll
A wild guess that won't hurt anything, but might not do anything either.... type...
No luck
dusk kernel
Oh well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. It was a pretty long shot though. Since you box was set up as a server, you probably don't have any GUI stuff installed.
untold garden
Anyone know about ubertooth in kali and why I'd not be able to run the ubertooth-specan-ui command?
frank steeple
install gentoo
Why should I
frank steeple
Yeah
brave isle
I like Arch
frank steeple
Just use LFS
brave isle
I like Ubuntu, Pop!_OS and Arch Linux.
frank steeple
Arch is non-free though, why would you ever want that \s
brave isle
Arch Linux is free
frank steeple
It isn't. It bundles non free software
frank steeple
I think you're thinking free as in beer
frank steeple
It costs no money, but it bundles non-free/proprietary software, which some people complain about
The rest of us like having working wifi and such
brave isle
I know that Pop!_OS and Ubuntu is all open and free.
frank steeple
They also bundle non-free software
brave isle
no?
frank steeple
Yes
frank steeple
Again, we like wifi
brave isle
and webm
brave isle
Again, we like wifi
there is open source drivers
frank steeple
There's some other stuff that's proprietary, but wifi is one of the big ones
Not all wifi chips work with foss drivers
A lot of the more common ones don't
Pop also bundles Nvidia drivers, which are the same boat
frank steeple
It's a silly distinction to make, yeah, but it is there
brave isle
on linux only
frank steeple
Most anybody doesn't care about that sort of thing too much if it means working drivers
brave isle
Most anybody doesn't care about that sort of thing too much if it means working ...
true
I have used open source NVIDIA drivers before
not that bad
tbh
frank steeple
It always amuses me when people refuse to use Nvidia and then end up needing proprietary drivers for other things
Nouveau is meh, doesn't work at all for me
brave isle
at least linux is not the same as windows
frank steeple
Yup
brave isle
Do you use Linux
frank steeple
Yes
frank steeple
Yes
frank steeple
Just use debian, no need for anything else
brave isle
gnome is more stable
brave isle
Just use debian, no need for anything else
I used Pop!_OS more then Ubuntu.
I should try Ubuntu.
I love gnome
frank steeple
You like forced updates when you shut down?
frank steeple
Then don't use ubuntu
brave isle
Do they do that?
frank steeple
They're slowly pushing it, yup
brave isle
Oh then I will just remove it
frank steeple
You can't easily
brave isle
Why?
frank steeple
It's part of the software manager
brave isle
I could maybe find a script on GitHub.
frank steeple
Imagine uninstalling pacman
If you don't like that part of things, just use a similar distro that already fixes it. No point trying to do it yourself
brave isle
Alright
frank steeple
That's why I suggest debian
frank steeple
Pop is also good
frank steeple
What do they use as their bootloader?
brave isle
Not sure
Let me check
Oh it is using grub
last time I checked they where not
This is nice for new users
brave isle
I am going to do this
On Pop!_OS
I am build a PC soon
I got the mobo
and case and power
and fans
thats all
for now
it's a all amd build
frank steeple
I might play around with an alternative boot loader on my laptop
brave isle
I like grub
frank steeple
I might also play around with making grub look nice
frank steeple
You can have pictures
I would want something to match this
I also want to clean that image up a bit, but I lost the version without the text
night charm
you know what my dream boot loader would look like
the wii system menu, complete with sound effects
imagine
frank steeple
That'd be great
kind panther
clover is just eyecandy lol
Opencore is pretty good too
And an advantage that opencore has is that you can set it up to not need the bootx64.efi
So windows update cant bork it either
Can confirm that that works
Have it set up on my hackintosh
frank steeple
Not being borked by windows is nice, even though it's not that much of a hassle to fix
brave isle
Not being borked by windows is nice, even though it's not that much of a hassle ...
just found out forced updates are only for snap
in Ubuntu
slate tundra
Can someone explain to me what linux is?
frank steeple
It's an operating system
dusk kernel
@slate tundra https://www.linux.com/what-is-linux/
slate tundra
Thank u
covert scroll
Well I'm stumped. My machine will boot, but the login page won't pop up and it will not ping on my network. Latest Ubuntu, this is after chmod'ng my home dir to 744. I threw in a GPU and went in recovery mode as root, cmoded everything to 755. Still won't boot. Any ideas to repair things without completely restarting?
kind panther
lmao nope
just make the icon go away from the desktop
which you can do on windows as well
well its not an example since it isnt true
lyric gazelle
Can you buy Linux like windows or how does that work?
fallow belfry
Can you buy Linux like windows or how does that work?
Linux is completely free with only a few exceptions like red hat for servers. Most are even open source so you can dig through the base code.
Ubuntu and mint are two I'd look into if you're just getting into Linux. Mint has a more windows-like interface, so might be easier to pick up. Ubuntu is good for beginners too, but more distinctly a Linux interface.
frank steeple
You can buy an installation USB from most of the major distros, but if you have a spare USB they also give you directions on how to make your own
dusk kernel
Or if you want to go old school... you can burn the .iso to a CD or DVD. 😄
Or... if you have multiple options for installation media, and want to be daring... you can download the .iso, burn that to USB/DVD/CD... then install the actual OS on another USB drive. This obviously works better with USB3. The main point here is... there are a variety of options and you're limited mostly by the resources you have on-hand.
fallow belfry
I keep a travel Linux install on a USB with all the modules I could need for 95% of computers to boot it. It's saved me a few times diagnosing why Windows won't boot on a few computers.
mortal totem
You guys dont use cds?
frank steeple
Most distros don't fit on them anymore
night charm
arch
fallow belfry
Only my ancient laptop (I think it's 12 years old by now?) has a CD drive still
tight eagle
just buy a new one
fallow belfry
Sure do you want to pay for it?
Besides I rarely use it anymore, its GPU doesn't like Windows any more so it exclusively runs Debian (and Kali for fun).
fallow belfry
Ohh, I have a few old internal drives I could plug into an USB adapter if I really needed one
kind panther
dusk kernel
Most distros don't fit on them anymore
Seems like many that don't fit on a CD also offer a "Live CD" version that can also be used to install the OS.
dusk kernel
Make you a deal, you get the T21 working and I'll get my H89 working
@frank steeple I got the T21 booting Bodhi again, v3 I think, a few days after you challenged me. I haven't mentioned it because I was planning to make a video of it booting to prove that it works and just haven't gotten around to doing that. LOL Soooo... how's that H89 running? 😄
frank steeple
<@!590241344803569675> I got the T21 booting Bodhi again, v3 I think, a few day...
It needs new caps. One of them popped when I tried to turn it on 😦
frank steeple
Really depends. I think they'll cost about as much as a pi zero once you factor in shipping and such
That said, you'll need a good number of compatibility boards or special drivers with the rpi, so probably would still end up being more
dusk kernel
That's a small price to pay for keeping a piece of history alive. 🙂 My ol' T21 only has 1 cool feature... the small LED in the top bezel that shines down on the keyboard.
frank steeple
Those were nice
brave isle
Im about to install AmogOS
frank steeple
https://github.com/jostroOS/amogOS
For anyone else that wants in
brave isle
yes
night charm
lmao
brave isle
@frank steeple yo
so basically
i figured out
a right click in elementary os
is a click but with 2 fingers
im going to try using a package manager to download apps
AHA!
so yea to download apps fro the web, like discord, all i gotts do is use a package manager
brave isle
i installed "wine" to see if it worked (to install windows apps on linux) and idk how to actually use it
i tried to download virtual box (i selected debian 10 version) and it didnt work with the package manager
alo
also*
i cant hear sound
so i check my settings and
no output device detected
why wont it detect the speakers?
also i plugged in my headset
still wont work
ok list of problems im having:
-cant hear sound
-google wont let me log into my gmail
-virtual machines
-wine windows 10 apps
kind panther
Download wine from the website, many app managers have older versions
Again same for virtual box
brave isle
Download wine from the website, many app managers have older versions
i dont understand how
theres like commands and coding you have to do from what im seeing
kind panther
i dont understand how
brave isle
i have no clue what any of it means or how to do it
what is a terminal and how do i get it
kind panther
copy paste one by one into terminal
Its that easy
kind panther
what is a terminal and how do i get it
Uhhh why are you using linux
brave isle
Uhhh why are you using linux
because i downloaded it for fun?
ive never used linux in my life
so i have no expierence with it
frank steeple
Just started yesterday
kind panther
I see
brave isle
oh hey bob
frank steeple
Terminal is the Linux version of command prompt
brave isle
my biggest priority though is sound
frank steeple
I think you can also use Ctrl+alt+t
brave isle
i got it
frank steeple
Cool
frank steeple
You said you had a 10th gen i3, right?
brave isle
indeed
frank steeple
Okay. My guess is you're gonna need a kernel flag
brave isle
for sound?
frank steeple
Yeah. Intel did a massive overhaul of their sound system recently
frank steeple
I'll need to find the right flag
brave isle
alright
no rush with that
and see children this is why you dont do this stuff on your main device until you know what youre doing
HAHA
anyway, wine
brave isle
isnt it deb tho
frank steeple
Yes
brave isle
like elementary is mostly based on debian
frank steeple
Elementary is based on Ubuntu, and Ubuntu is based on Debian
brave isle
alos ru proud of me for figuring out how to do some stuff 
frank steeple
Yup
frank steeple
Follow the instructions for Ubuntu 18.04 I think
brave isle
frank steeple
https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
This page
brave isle
frank steeple
Yup
brave isle
where- are the instructions LMAO
frank steeple
Those are the instructions
frank steeple
Paste anyway
brave isle
would the command show up
or not be there
i clicked paste anyway and nothings there for the cmd
is that norma
normal*
brave isle
there we go
brave isle
now it says "password for gio" (which is my name, btw. also the name of the profile)
do i enter my password? for th euser account
frank steeple
Yup
frank steeple
You'll have to do the ones up above first
frank steeple
The add architecture, wget, and add key ones
brave isle
i dont see anything that says those
brave isle
should i have done that 1st
frank steeple
Shouldn't matter in this case
frank steeple
Looks good
brave isle
i added another cmd column thing by accident
frank steeple
That's fine
brave isle
i pressed enter twice so it added another gio@gio (computer name)
alr
now
packages
frank steeple
Now you can do the update and install parts
brave isle
im just gonna do the stable branch
frank steeple
Yup
frank steeple
Now update and install
brave isle
wait what
like re input the update and the package?
sorry if im asking dumb questions lol
frank steeple
Yup
brave isle
says unable to locate again
frank steeple
Can you screenshot?
brave isle
frank steeple
Ah, my bad
sudo add-apt-repository 'deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ bionic main'
That command
frank steeple
If you want to
brave isle
also will my system still be x64
or is it making is x32
i dont think thats
possible
so
also i just noticed,
frank steeple
32 bit programs, like steam, can run on 64 bit systems, you just need to make sure you have the compatibility stuff enabled
brave isle
says command not found when i add the command next to 18.04
can i do the debian version
frank steeple
Fun
brave isle
i think we should just do this later-
frank steeple
Yeah, there's a reason I don't like wine
frank steeple
Yup
brave isle
so what do i need to do
brave isle
frank steeple
See the line that says GRUB_CMDLINE_DEFAULT?
brave isle
i do
frank steeple
Use the arrow keys to move your cursor to that line
frank steeple
Edit it to read GRUB_CMDLINE_DEFAULT="quiet splash snd_hda_intel.dmic_detect=0"
frank steeple
Ah, kay
frank steeple
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash snd_hda_intel.dmic_detect=0" then
frank steeple
Nope
brave isle
mk
frank steeple
Can you screenshot real quick to verify?
brave isle
brave isle
alright
done
hey i gotta go do sum, ill be back in a little while.
we can do the rest after
brave isle
i can do that rq
alr reboot my laptop now
rebooting
i now hear noise!
we can do the mic later
gotta go, bye!
brave isle
@frank steeple im back!
also, is there a way to see opened apps? like apps in the background, like if you pressed x on windows on an app it would be in your system tray
frank steeple
Not sure on that one. I don't use elementary
frank steeple
You can
brave isle
the only place i was able to find spotify on windows was microsoft store
frank steeple
It should be in the app center, open it up and search spotify
brave isle
lemme try it
brave isle
all done
im getting a better understanding of the terminal system
its not that hard all u gotta do is copy and oaste cause most systems have it
frank steeple
Does it work with headphones?
brave isle
yes
i just checked
it works
im a little sad i cant download some games
like roblox is a game i play sometimes
i cant download it
thats why i wanted to try wine
brave isle
i have steam already
most steam games i have- actually all are windows only
except for 2
american and euro truck sim
frank steeple
Have you enabled linux play or whatever it's called?
brave isle
no
frank steeple
What are some of the other games?
brave isle
also do you have to pay for lutris? like the games
i dont wanna have ti repurchase games
i only want genshin and roblox on here
actually just roblox really
frank steeple
Lutris is free, it interfaces with whatever store you have the game on already
frank steeple
Minecraft is supported natively on Linux
brave isle
oh fr?
ill have to download it then
which ill do later
genshin impact is on epic games
but i cant get epic games on linux
so would it work through
lutris
frank steeple
brave isle
uh- it says to have wine
frank steeple
Bother
https://lutris.net/games/genshin-impact/
Lutris has an installer for Genshin, but it's hit and miss
frank steeple
https://www.protondb.com/
Here's the database for games through steam
brave isle
the latest is verzion 1.6
frank steeple
oof
brave isle
eh its fine
is it possible to install roblox tho lol
because
usually
to download roblox
you have to download it through the web. like minecraft. you click play and it gives you robloxplayerlauncher.exe, once its installed you just click play on any game on the website
and it uses the launcher to play it
frank steeple
Roblox is currently listed as blocked
brave isle
only other way is through microsoft store
well that sucks
ima download minecraft
does lunar client support linux?
frank steeple
It should, it's java right?
frank steeple
Yup, should do fine then
brave isle
the mc website is always in french and i have to change it LOL
frank steeple
Just learn french lol
brave isle
goodbye i only speak english
frank steeple
Je nes par pas Francais
brave isle
eh some of it is kind of obvious tho
"obtenir minecraft" sounds like "obtain minecraft" meaning get minecraft
so some of it is self explanitory
frank steeple
Yup
brave isle
alright so we can do the mic fix rq?
and kind of annoying
i cant connect my gmail
even with correct name email password
frank steeple
You can't?
brave isle
it says incorrect login
and i think
its because
google is preventing me from logging in
frank steeple
That's weird...
brave isle
because its a randomly new, random mail service
i can log into my outlook email though
but not gmail
idk why
frank steeple
Can try a potential quick fix though
frank steeple
First, make sure the mic mute light is off, then run sudo apt install pavucontrol, start the pavucontrol program, and check inputs
appimage is a special format that's designed to work across many linux distros
brave isle
First, make sure the mic mute light is off, then run `sudo apt install pavucontr...
it just says theres no mic detected
my computer has an integrated mic
so
frank steeple
Type y and hit enter
brave isle
frank steeple
type pavucontrol and hit enter
brave isle
it still says no input device in settings, though
it should say something like- microphone, or intel array
frank steeple
What happens if you click the lock button in pavucontrol?
frank steeple
Any changes?
brave isle
dont mind the bg terminal was dong lunar
frank steeple
Okay
I'll poke around some more, I'll let you know if I can get the internal mic working
frank steeple
New hardware can be fun
brave isle
i just did lunar myself
they had a nice tutorial
was ez
also
it is google preventing me from loggin in
that was me yesterday
it says it was my state
so google just doesnt let me
kind panther
just open gmail
brave isle
like this app
kind panther
the site
kind panther
Ehhhh gmail website better tbh
brave isle
@frank steeple any progress on the mic input?
frank steeple
It'll be a bit lol
brave isle
no rush just curious lol
frank steeple
Especially since it's my laptop that has the problem and I'm currently on my desktop
brave isle
so wait it’s a problem on deb as a whole?
frank steeple
Nope, only with recent intel audio systems
And some intel systems work, and some don't
Also, fwiw, my laptop is running Alpine, not Debian
frank steeple
They changed something about the interface with the audio device, not exactly sure what
brave isle
@frank steeple hey, i looked into it and was able to figure out how to use my gmail
it wa sbecause of google secutiry
security*
i was trying to figure out the problem in my google settings, and i found the option to turn on "allow less secure apps"
and it worked
its googles security system, not knowhing what geary email is
bright shell
Well, last night I attempted my first try at installing Arch from scratch. And it went surprisingly well. Nothing blew up, but I did fail to do some stuff in the right order, so it's back to square 1 later today for attempt 2.
wanton snow
arch btw
night charm
Well, last night I attempted my first try at installing Arch from scratch. And i...
good luck 👀
on a vm or actual pc?
bright shell
Real PC
night charm
nice
bright shell
It's on my HP Envy 17 circa 2014
wanton snow
good luck 👀
now compile gentoo 
gilded flint
if anyone knows about proxmox clusters and how to disband them properly can someone send me a friend request? i want to ask some questions about it
frank steeple
if anyone knows about proxmox clusters and how to disband them properly can some...
Why not just ask here?
gilded flint
bc its complicated and im not even sure exactly what to ask
frank steeple
You can say the exact same things in this chat as in a DM, and it has the advantage of anyone here being able to answer and comment on the other answers
wanton snow
if anyone knows about proxmox clusters and how to disband them properly can some...
probs same for 6
since they didnt update their docs
gilded flint
basically, I want to fully disband my cluster and set everything up from scratch again, but I have a vm that has a lot of work on it, and id like to download it onto my pc and be able to upload it back to a fresh install
how would i go about doing that?
gilded flint
Copy the files
yeah but i want to download the whole vm, and then put that back on the new system
idk where the vm disks are stored on the server
gilded flint
Copy all the files then
Yeah but I don’t know where the com disk is stored
Or else I would do that
frank steeple
Can you ssh into the VM?
gilded flint
Can you ssh into the VM?
yeah
can i just copy all of the directories and then put them on the new install with the new vm?
frank steeple
Kinda
Make a disc image of all the stuff and then use that disk image to make a new VM
gilded flint
Make a disc image of all the stuff and then use that disk image to make a new VM
would it be possible to do that for the whole VM drive?
gilded flint
i was just gonna store it on my pc temporarily, i have room for it
where are the VM drives stored on proxmox? i just have it on my main drive in the server
frank steeple
Could hunt it down, or you could login and make an iso of the disk
gilded flint
Could hunt it down, or you could login and make an iso of the disk
im on the proxmox panel right now, is it done through there or is it on the actual vm?
barren fox
is there a linux were I only have to download it since if I use the ones I've heard of I would screw up
kind panther
is there a linux were I only have to download it since if I use the ones I've he...
Wut?
barren fox
Wut?
sorry i was zoning out what i ment was what version of linux is there that you dont need to code pretty much everything
bright shell
Lol no.
Also, you aren't coding anything.
You are setting up the OS to your liking.
It might "look" like you are coding, but it's simply just a Command Line Interface.
Back in the early days of Microsoft and Apple you didn't have a GUI to interface with the OS, you had a Command Prompt and you inputted commands through DOS or whatever Apple called their OS.
This is nothing new, it's an older way and arguably better way of interfacing with your computer.
Linux gives you the freedom to do what YOU want to YOUR computer.
kind panther
sorry i was zoning out what i ment was what version of linux is there that you d...
almost all of em
bright shell
No one Linux Distro is better than the other.
I personally think Every PC Owner should install Arch Linux from scratch at least one time.
barren fox
wait ubuntu 20.04 is on microsoft store
barren fox
whats a subsystem
bright shell
If you don't know what it is, you probably don't need to know.
wanton snow
I personally think Every PC Owner should install Arch Linux from scratch at leas...
every pc owner should compile gentoo
bright shell
Ok, that's going a bit too far.
wanton snow
not far enough
kind panther
every pc owner should compile gentoo
Every PC owner should hackintosh their pc
oblique jay
Amateurs. Every PC owner should run Kali Linux
kind panther
Amateurs. Every PC owner should run Kali Linux
Ehhhhh
kali is an os designed with only penetration testing in mind
also ridiculously easy to install
oblique jay
It's designed using the logic that the best way to beat a hacker is to be a hacker
frank steeple
sorry i was zoning out what i ment was what version of linux is there that you d...
yes
mortal totem
not all linux distros are arch xD
frank steeple
Amateurs. Every PC owner should run Kali Linux
Kali should only be used as a bare metal in very rare instances and should never be used as a daily driver
Kali is not really designed to avoid penetration and is really only minimally hardened, it's only purpose is to penetrate. You don't use a gun to block a bullet, you use bullet proof armor
wanton snow
Kali is not really designed to avoid penetration and is really only minimally ha...
you shoot the bullet out of the air
frank steeple
Yeah lol
That's a pretty good explanation. Imagine how hard that is IRL, it's pretty much the same in cyberseccurity
You hardly ever get to see an attack in action, you just see logs afterwards and know whether or not you survived
frank steeple
Yes you can
frank steeple
When you install WSL now, your computer sets up two hypervisors. The one hypervisor runs windows, and the other runs linux
Well, poor terminology there, but you get the idea
It becomes two side by side VMs
By default the windows environment gets the display, but it's totally possible to get a display to the Linux environment, either as a single window, a WM in a window, or technically just a straight up display devoted to Linux
That last solution is kinda pointless though, and has a whole bunch of gotchas that you have to consider, so no one really does it
Better solution is to put a WM in a full screen, borderless window
wanton snow
I've heard many people say they can't get a DE working in WSL
many people are also idiots
wanton snow
When you install WSL now, your computer sets up two hypervisors. The one hypervi...
is that how it works?
always thought hyperv just made a little vm for linux
but it makes sense to jut resource pool between 2 vms
wanton snow
oh thats hilarious
i never really thought too much about WSL
does this mean you can give the gpu to the linux vm if you want?
or do they not give you that much control over it
frank steeple
You can if you really want to
You generally don't need to though, it can access most PCIe devices without manually specifying passthrough
Like you can use a GPU for cuda from WSL and play a game with that same GPU on windows, all at the same time
frank steeple
Not really
wanton snow
i mean in terms of official support
frank steeple
900 gen nvidia works
wanton snow
yeah it works now
frank steeple
Don't know about earlier
wanton snow
nvidia just flipped driver switch kek
frank steeple
It worked before that whole driver thing
wanton snow
ooh thats interesting then
frank steeple
I have no clue how windows does it, it's something weird
night charm
mortal totem
did someone say.... foobar2000
wanton snow
@frank steeple do you know if there's something like ncdu for windows?
havent looked too hard tbh
bright shell
Anyone got any ideas for getting an Nvidia GPU and Intel iGPU to cooperate with one another on Arch?
It's a Laptop specifically.
I'm trying to get Bumblebee to work, but other than installing it and trying out the optirun command with glxgears I can't seem to get say, a Steam game to run with Optimus
frank steeple
Anyone got any ideas for getting an Nvidia GPU and Intel iGPU to cooperate with ...
Easiest way is usually to completely shut down the intel GPU
bright shell
I'd rather not do that since Battery Life would go down the tank.
And this is already an older laptop with... not excellent battery life. It's a i7-6500U with a GTX940M
frank steeple
You could probably toggle it on and off, but that would be a hassle
Easiest way is to install Pop
bright shell
Pop as in...? Popos?
frank steeple
Yup
bright shell
Yeah... Screw that noise.
I want Arch.
I didn't install linux to use a baby OS for babies.
frank steeple
Then you get to figure out your graphics mux by hand
frank steeple
Then you're even more screwed
bright shell
No?
frank steeple
Yeah
bright shell
Bumblebee is made to handle this.
frank steeple
Yeah, kinda
bright shell
That's literally what Bumblebee/Optimus was designed for
frank steeple
Yes it is
Now get it working on arch
Some laptops it works nicely, some it doesn't
Especially older laptops
bright shell
I mean, this isn't THAT old.
frank steeple
16
bright shell
That's not a generation.
frank steeple
Yes it was