linux-and-android

[teal cape]

but i was inspired by this to create something terrible

[abstract wigeon]

Oh just for the lols?

[teal cape]

yes

i just grabbed the last thing i worked on to translate

lol

[abstract wigeon]

Tbf suprised it didn't die

[teal cape]

well, the last simple thing

i do not want to translate the entire last coding project that i worked on

implementing the ext2 file system in C lmao

no thanks

[abstract wigeon]

Thought it'd only accept ascii

[teal cape]

it initially complains about it

but after running it all the complaints go away and it just works

[abstract wigeon]

Beautiful

Is that running through vscode or cmd?

[teal cape]

vscode

[abstract wigeon]

Wonder if vscode was doing something more than python stock to make it work

[teal cape]

works fine in cmd too

[abstract wigeon]

Wow

[teal cape]

anyways this is getting too off topic now i think LOL

but yeah i wonder how regex/grep works with chinese characters

does it just work but it's not very useful?

probably

i dunno

[abstract wigeon]

Not sure but why? Just to find out?

[wild sigil]

Huh I guess Chinese is ASCII?

[teal cape]

just a random thought

[strong plover]

It’s so true

[snow ibex]

Is there any specific reasons to use Linux over windows for programming?

I just started learning python using vs for an ide, and Im wondering if there is any reason to switch from windows to Linux or dual boot

Im going to learn c++ once I learn python bc my programming class will be based on that but that will be in a year when I start the class

[tight eagle]

I use the microwave

[strong plover]

I prefer Linux, because using scripts and programs and languages has been more intuitive, but I’m not a hardcore programmer, take what I say with a grain of salt.

[mortal totem]

I don't do too many coding projects but I usually prefer linux or macos, I've just found it easier to create and manage test environments. Also for some reason I like vscode in mac more idk why.
But at the end of the day it depends on what you are programming, if it's a windows application you probably want to use windows, if it's a web app you probably want to use mac or linux since it would likely get deployed in a linux environment

I will also note that windows has been adding features like wsl which can be very useful

[fallow belfry]

Programs specifically for windows only I'll do in visual studio, but if I need it cross platform I'll code it on Linux

[feral mauve]

I am so used to windows

But I really want to move to linux

Concern is compatibility and basic tasks I could do easy in windows being tedious

Learning everything new

Or I could just dual boot

[brave isle]

Need some help with fan control

For some reason the package is unable to detect fan sensors on gigabyte motherboards and I've read some online solutions from:
https://gist.github.com/kosttykov/4c335b2aae83d7b247dc77e3bf654e0c
https://github.com/Fred78290/nct6687d
https://github.com/t-8ch/linux-gigabyte-wmi-driver

I haven't had any success with these instructions as there has been an error with executing the commands because there is "No such file or directory" after cloning a repository or "device or resource busy" with other solutions

[brave isle]

update: I timeshifted my system to revert back to the filesystem before those changes were made

[brave isle]

What is the most lightweight thing I can install that is good for older CPUs and/or laptops but still allows somewhat good performance with basic tasks or somewhat decent performance with lower-end games

or mid-tier games with like 15.000 mods (minecraft *ahem*)

[fallow belfry]

Lubuntu maybe. It's a lighter distro that still includes a lot of the basics.

If you just wanted the lightest possible I'd say puppy.

[brave isle]

what about bunsen?

[brave isle]

echo it87 > /etc/modules-load.d/gigabyte-sensors-it87.conf
bash: /etc/modules-load.d/gigabyte-sensors-it87.conf: Permission denied
anyone know how I can bypass this?

[fallow belfry]

Run as root with sudo

[brave isle]

tried it

didn't do anything

[fallow belfry]

Looks like it87 is deprecated and replaced by https://github.com/ocerman/zenmonitor

IT87 hasn't been updated in over 4 years so it probably doesn't support newer packages

https://www.phoronix.com/news/IT87-Linux-Driver-Axing

[brave isle]

yeah he stopped supporting it in 2018

[brave isle]

This package is for monitoring AMD CPUs but I'm running on an intel. The issue I'm having is that lm-sensors is not detecting my fans due to the gigabyte chipset blocking it

[fallow belfry]

I can see people asking similar questions to you on reddit... but sadly reddit is almost entirely shut down as of this moment

Due to protests against their new policies

[brave isle]

Ah I don't have access to linux reddit anyways

Inserting modules for my chipset has been doing my head in

[fallow belfry]

Yeah it's private right now for everyone, like the other 85%+ subreddits

[brave isle]

Ohhh

I thought it was always private

[fallow belfry]

Nope https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/1476ioa/reddit_blackout_2023_save_3rd_party_apps/

I'll keep hunting on the ubuntu forum

[brave isle]

thanks

I've looked almost everywhere

even the instructions on arch linux don't work

[fallow belfry]

Yeah they usually tailor the commands to work on Arch only

I'm guessing you're on something debian based instead

[brave isle]

I'm on a fedora based distro

although I will say that I had this same issue with mint

I swear I just wana throw my motherboard away bc it's made my life so hard xD

[fallow belfry]

Did you set that kernel parameter before you installed like it says?

[brave isle]

Yep

Hang on

I think lm_sensors comes preinstalled with my distro

[fallow belfry]

It probably does

How did you set the parameter? Using grubby? And did you set and install the grub configuration again after?

[brave isle]

I didn't set it using grubby

I just threw it into my command line and rebooted

but also

I can't seem to sudo dnf remove lm-sensors

it says there's no packages marked for removal

[fallow belfry]

Too many things depend on it so you have to do a reinstall command

[brave isle]

ok

[fallow belfry]

So you just typed acpi_enforce_resources=lax into terminal and rebooted?

[brave isle]

yeah

[fallow belfry]

That doesn't set it properly usually, the best way is with grub config

That way the command gets passed before the kernel even loads

[brave isle]

Oh I see

I ran git clone https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/grub.git

[fallow belfry]

grubby --update-kernel=ALL --args="acpi_enforce_resources=lax"
grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg(this is no longer needed apparently)

grub2 is the updated grub

[brave isle]

yep

I downloaded a tar file named grub-2.06 if that's the latest one

[fallow belfry]

Grubby should be installed already

[brave isle]

oh

[fallow belfry]

If not here's the git https://github.com/rhboot/grubby

[brave isle]

cheers

[fallow belfry]

It says it's retired but it should still work

[brave isle]

I ran the command with sudo and there's no output

sudo grubby --update-kernel=ALL --args="acpi_enforce_resources=lax"

this one that is

[fallow belfry]

No error means it worked

[brave isle]

perfect

rebooting

alright I'm gonna try the modprobes now

welp

looks like modprobe it87 force_id=0x8686 worked

no output

[fallow belfry]

Lack of errors is good still

[brave isle]

yep

I was having an error that the device was in use or something before

what sort of files is the arch wiki telling me to make?

I see one is a conf file

[fallow belfry]

That's if you want it to load the module at boot

[brave isle]

yeah

[fallow belfry]

You can always just make a shell script on the desktop and run it when you need it

[brave isle]

Oh

Well I needed it for running my fan control settings as the sensors don't detect fans before we run the module

[fallow belfry]

If you want it loaded automatically at boot you can load your favorite text editor as root and create the files it talks about

[brave isle]

fair enough

[fallow belfry]

Download and set as executable, run when needed

[brave isle]

Cheers

If I need turn on my fan control after running this script, can I add an extra line saying: sudo service fancontrol start

[fallow belfry]

Silly me, forgot the bash interpreter tag

Yeah you can add whatever you like

[brave isle]

Oh I was just wondering if it'll work

Since I've never made a shell script before

But

I would like to make some in the future

[fallow belfry]

Yep. Each line is treated as a different command, run after the previous ones.

[brave isle]

perfect

at least that was intuitive

[fallow belfry]

(unless you add conditional statements but that's a whole other deal)

[brave isle]

yeah

oh well

I hope my GPU won't meltdown now that I can control my fans

[fallow belfry]

It's working ok then?

[brave isle]

Got a 240 Hz monitor today and I've only been able to get 70fps bc of my fan settings

[brave isle]

Yep

[fallow belfry]

Sweet

[limpid rose]

Yo

So I have an optiplex and I wiped the pc completely, I’m running Linux. I was wondering if there’s a way to get the windows OEM product key?

I know this is the Linux channel I didn’t know which was better to ask in

[fallow belfry]

Not unless the key is coded into the BIOS, which Dell does do sometimes. You might be able to pull the key if you reinstall windows using the OEM disk.

[strong plover]

Shouldn’t even require the oem disk, I’ve done it a lot on new ssds and stuff

[brave isle]

@fallow belfry Welp the script stopped working

modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'it87': Operation not permitted

Loving gigabyte motherboards rn

Also my BIOS settings are taking over fan control when the fan sensors are detected

[fallow belfry]

Add sudo in front of the modprobe command

And yeah that's a known issue, the gigabyte boards like to override fan control

You basically have to disable the smart fan feature in bios

[brave isle]

Yeah it can't modprobe even with sudo

Said device was not found

[fallow belfry]

Did anything change, like a kernel update? Because you'll have to change the grub config after major updates like that to re-enable the driver.

[brave isle]

Nah I tried to run that command when I came back from work after not touching the PC for 24hrs

[brave isle]

just did some reading into GRUB and it turns out I have a newer kernel installed lol

[brave isle]

welp modprobe it87 force_id=0x8628 works

apparently my board is a Z690 now

[brave isle]

@fallow belfry welp now I can't use fancontrol bc apparently all my sensors don't exist when the fancontrol script is run

The terminal tells me to either install missing kernels or rerun pwmconfig and after running sensors-detect to find missing sensors an intel driver or something gets installed and I've read that it's just the core temp sensor for the CPU

so i don't think i can get full control of my ITE chip

https://linuxreviews.org/A_New_Gigabyte_Motherboard_WMI_Temperature_Driver_Will_Likely_Arrive_In_Linux_5.13

[fallow belfry]

Guessing you need to wait for fan control to support the new drivers then. Shouldn't take too long, they're fairly active last I checked.

[brave isle]

it says the new drivers don't allow users to write on sensors so it's pretty much useless with programs that require two-way support

so i think I'll just go buy myself a MSI MAG B660M Mortar Max

[fallow belfry]

Yikes. Sounds like I'm recommending my Linux friends stay away from gigabyte then.

[brave isle]

don't forget about asus

they use ITE chipsets aswell

[fallow belfry]

They were already on my list lol

[brave isle]

hahahaha

esp after that overvolt controversy

[fallow belfry]

It's really just, what, MSI and ASRock that are left with relatively good 'nix support?

[brave isle]

from my research that seems like the case

everyone else who recommends gigabyte or asus aren't aware of the issues around ITE chipsets

[fallow belfry]

Sadly they won't care to improve at all. They have zero motivation to do so. Linux users are a small percentage, power users an even smaller subset.

For now at least you have the option of using an older kernel to get the driver working again

[brave isle]

Yeah that's their stance on Linux with the refusal to release datasheets to make developing open source software easier. I will mention that MSI had an issue with BIOS updates as you needed to run an installer that was only compatible with windows to move all the files onto the USB

[fallow belfry]

MSI has always offered bios updates in zip folders every time I've needed one. Must have been a specific problem.

And I've used MSI since AMD Bulldozer

[brave isle]

The options around newer gigabyte/asus boards are limited due to the lack of compatibility with newer ITE chips. The last known attempt to develop an out-of-tree driver (it87) to communicate with ITE chips was in 2018 so owners of boards made after that time have no choice but to roll the dice hoping that they have a chipset that can communicate with the old it87 kernel module

[brave isle]

Yeah it seemed like a specific problem to me as preparing a pendrive for bios flashes was as simple as dragging a specific file into a usb so I didn't really investigate further

[brave isle]

welp

time to see if it works

[brave isle]

https://hetmanrecovery.com/pic/blog/a299/en-01-zfs.webp

wow

[fallow belfry]

Yeah ZFS is pretty awesome

You can have just about any number of drives, with many different sizes, and it'll just figure out what works best for you.

[brave isle]

does it have the same issue as XFS where removing one drive or if one drive fails you have the potential to corrupt your entire file pool?

oh wait

that's the limitation of ZFS

[fallow belfry]

ZFS is a lot more than XFS. It replaces the entire drive structure like a LVM would. It sort of combines the characteristics of RAID 5 and XFS, and offers automatic snapshots for additional redundancy.
This means it offers parity, CRC, and automatic backup/restore functions to avoid data loss. No single drive lost will destroy the volume, but you may need to rebuild it.

[brave isle]

yeah that's what I gathered

it's a shame that it doesn't run too well with Fedora

[brave isle]

@fallow belfry Do you know what could be causing the camera in apex to flick to the ground after interacting with your inventory?

I have a feeling there's a setting that isn't built into linux to return your curser to the center of the screen after you close your inventory

causing the camera to flick to the ground

[fallow belfry]

Idk I don't play it

[brave isle]

@fallow belfry It's was a mouse capture issue which is common with KDE Wayland desktop environments

also I'm loving window managers as it's so efficient to navigate between virtual workspaces

[dawn widget]

It's an issue with a lot or used to be an issue with a lot of games when using a wayland compositer

[mortal totem]

anyone know how I can do internet sharing via ethernet? so like router -> client wifi adapter -> client ethernet port. Just a simple setup as it's temporary. Ran out of eth ports on the switch

[brave isle]

what DE are you using

or like, networking program

if its like gnome then you can just set the connection as shared and the other connection as getting wifi through it

[mortal totem]

Running ubuntu lts, netplan

[brave isle]

ubuntu should be network manager so

you should be able to just uhh

I'd show you but I don't run a DE

gimme a bit

damn ubuntus iso has gotten pretty large

[brave isle]

wait maybe I'm a bit lost on what you're trying to do

client to client? 🤔

do you not want to go straight from router -> device 1's wifi adapter -> device 2's ethernet port?

[mortal totem]

i explain a bit more. so basically I already had a thin client device running on wifi just fine but I recently had to relocate a different pc that only has eth so my thought was use the existing thin client since it's small to share the wifi connection

[brave isle]

Right, so, you would plug an ethernet cable between the two machines, have the thin client connected to the network, then go to:

[mortal totem]

oh yeah and this is terminal only

[brave isle]

oh 😭

I think with netplan you're still using nm under the hood so,

to do that with nmtui you do

nmtui
"Edit a connection"
"Wired connection" (the one between thin client and device)
and set
"IPv4 CONFIGURATION"
from
"<Automatic>"
to
"<Shared>"

[mortal totem]

I will check when i get the pc again

[sly surge]

Any distro recommendations? Currently running Manjaro Linux. Thinking of swapping to Fedora.

[fallow belfry]

Everyone has their preferred flavors. What's best for you is based not only on your needs but your preferences.

Try a bunch and see what works for you

[sly surge]

Which is entirely why I was asking for recommendations.

[fallow belfry]

Well what are you using it for

[sly surge]

I host a plex server, do some coding, some gaming (through proton primarily).

[fallow belfry]

AMD or Nvidia

[sly surge]

AMD

both cpu and gpu

[fallow belfry]

Ok, well Pop!OS is gaming focused. It'll come with everything you need for Steam and such out of the box, and flatpack makes things easy.

Gaming on Fedora is a bit trickier

(plex and coding don't really care what platform you're on)

[sly surge]

Tricky is fine. Manjaro has been a bit of a buggy mess for me lately.

[fallow belfry]

By trickier I mean compiling source code that may or may not work well. If you're good with that then go for it.

[sly surge]

That's fine.

[humble kindle]

If you want plug and play + easy to google solutions to problems, can't go wrong with ubuntu. Manjaro, debian, fedora, arch, etc are all popular for their own reasons - but I wouldn't daily one unless you truly enjoy learning the linux fundamentals.

[strong plover]

I would recommend a debian based distro, but that’s just me. Compatibility with a lot of stuff.

[sand pecan]

^

Manjaro is kinda jank

Debian based distros have wider support than arch based distros like manjaro

[strong plover]

So true

“Accidentally”

I might do it intentionally

[sand pecan]

It's pretty hard to accidentally download a virus

In general

[mortal totem]

depends what you do tbh. I see so many people that go to those sites littered with ads and accidentally click on the wrong download or update button

[mortal totem]

question for the nerds out there. Is there a way I can make a task to schedule a reboot after automatic kernel updates. Or is there another way I should go about this

[fallow belfry]

You can run your update/upgrade command passed through grep in a shell script and if it gets a match reboot after

[languid bluff]

Manjaro on top

[strong plover]

Nahh

[brave isle]

Cron daemon

[mortal totem]

Yeah I’m gonna take a look eventually, it’s on my list of things that bother me but im too lazy to fix atm lol

[barren fox]

is there a way tto have linux and windows in the same pc and just switch between them

whenever i want to

[fallow belfry]

Yes it's quite easy to multi boot

[abstract wigeon]

yep its called dual booting

[fallow belfry]

In fact the regular steps for installing Ubuntu (which applies to many different Debian based distros) covers how to dual boot
https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview

[dusk kernel]

You could also run a virtual machine of one OS on top of the other. E.g., boot to Linux then run a Windows VM. But there are limitations to that approach depending upon what you want to do.

[sand pecan]

Yeah

Dual booting is usually the easiest way

And less headaches

[fallow belfry]

Trying to install Arch in a phone? You're in for a wild ride.

[strong plover]

Yikes

[pure crane]

i've been trying to find a solution/compromise to this problem for a few days now....day 5? 4? 6?

i want to dualboot windows and ubuntu on the same Dell laptop but unfortunately I get thrown an RST error when installing
Unfortunately turning off RST will make Windows not boot anymore and it seems unfortunate that my admin perms were just recently removed. so don't know what to do there

wanted to originally run Ubuntu off an external drive but not on the same drive as windows

maybe i could do it with the installer if i add some persistent storage on the external drive? but then i'd have to find some way to mute the volume at startup (because every time you start it up, it plays a sound at 50% volume) and maybe speed up the boot time

[fallow belfry]

Persistent file would work, it's easy to set up. It'll also keep all your settings from the last boot so it'll stay muted.

You could also just install to an external drive. Unlike Windows, Linux is perfectly happy booting from USB.

[pure crane]

funnily enough that's exactly what I tried doing

can't even get to the part where it asks where you want to install without getting thrown an RST error

[fallow belfry]

You could temporarily turn of RST while you're installing

[pure crane]

unsure if that would break windows permanently even if I turned it back on

unless I don't press F12 too late

[fallow belfry]

Set the linux bootloader to the top and it's able to boot windows from grub

You'd also only need to disable it long enough to install

[pure crane]

sounds good might as well try it

here's hoping Windows doesn't break

[fallow belfry]

If it does I know how to fix it

[pure crane]

using the windows installer?

[fallow belfry]

Usually yes

[pure crane]

okay, no RST error this time...proceeding

it's working, currently installing zorin os

[pure crane]

If I leave the installer running and close the laptop lid would it keep going?

[fallow belfry]

I don't know about that specific distro but it shouldn't hurt it one way or another

[pure crane]

should be based off Ubuntu so maybe it’s good?

[fallow belfry]

idk it depends how they configured it

You could always drop brightness and toss a blanket over it if it's light you're worried about. Just leave the air vent clear.

[pure crane]

I’m back, Linux is installed and I’m switching back to RST

Hope Windows isn’t broken

Yeah Windows works, no issues. And I’ve got Zorin installed, really excited to play around with it

Thanks

[strong plover]

I had success disabling rst and keeping windows and getting vanilla Ubuntu dual booted, that was awhile ago though

[brave isle]

any program I can use on Ubuntu to flash a Nvidia GPU vbios?

nvm, looks like Nvflash has a linux version that I didn't know existed

[mortal totem]

anyone here know how to use k8s?

im slowly going insane, all I can figure out is the apiserver is failing to run but I can't figure out why

[dusk kernel]

Just because I like you folks... and because I already bought one just now... Adafruit has a few (19 as I'm typing) Raspberry Pi 4's available:
https://www.adafruit.com/product/4564

[fallow belfry]

$75, not bad for that model

8 left

[dusk kernel]

Yeah, they're somewhat difficult to find at any price.

Only 2 left now!!! GO-GO-GO!!!

[dusk kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/those-went-bye-bye-steve-harrington-joe-keery-stranger-things-theyre-gone-gif-25960326

[sand pecan]

noooo

😭

[strong plover]

Wow that was fast

[wary girder]

That is true

[dusk kernel]

It's showing 22 in stock right now.

[mortal totem]

Rasp pi did say they were working on speeding up production

[dusk kernel]

oh sweet.... neighbors dog barking means.... yep, it just landed at my door.

[dusk kernel]

Aaaaaand, they're out of stock again.

[strong plover]

What are you gonna do with it?

[dusk kernel]

Well... the first thing I'm going to do is... wait to get some MICRO HDMI adapters. LOL I have a couple of MINI HDMI adapters and didn't realize that the MICRO exists. 🤦‍♂️ LOL

[sand pecan]

And they're gone again

😭

[forest latch]

I had the opposite problem

Well, not with a ras pi, I bought a bananapi m2 zero (same form factor as the rpi zero) and that has minihdmi

And I only had microhdmi

Speaking if raspberry pis, I had to buy one that was extremely overpriced during the pandemic since my course required me to have one

And when I say extremely overpriced, I mean extremely overpriced

$400cad for the kit after tax

Kit included aluminium case, display cables, power supply, power switch, microSD card (samsung)

Microsd reader

The pi4 8 gig

Nvm it was CA$ 335.49

Raspberry Pi 4 Model B with 1.5GHz 64-bit quad-core ARMv8 CPU

Samsung EVO+ 128GB High Speed MicroSD Card Pre-loaded with NOOBS

CanaKit 3.5A USB-C Power Supply with Noise Filter (UL Listed)

CanaKit Premium Self-Cooling Silver Case with Soft Touch Black Lid

Set of 2 Micro HDMI to HDMI Cables (6-foot cable)

The cheaper kits were all out of stock

[strong plover]

Yikes

[forest latch]

It was either pay $120+tax on a scalped rpi4 with no other parts
Or this overpriced official reseller kit

[sand pecan]

At this point it's easier and cheaper to get a mini PC and mod it

💀

Too bad x86 sucks power

[fallow belfry]

Forget a mini PC, strip a netbook and 3D print a shell

You can get an old Chromebook for about the same price as a rpi 4

[sand pecan]

One Chromebook saved from the landfill

[forest latch]

💀

the requirement for whatever reason what a raspi4
it was part of the mark for whatever reason

btw i did terrible on that assignment

anyways

now im having trouble with ubuntu for whatever reason not wanting to be networked

gonna try to install with a iso instead of the site that my professor provided

since it's really just a fresh install of ubuntu for vmware

completed

it is taking me way longer to try to figure out what the hell is going on, and going through a bunch of forums trying their fixes to no avail lmao

than to try to install the iso and install fresh

[forest latch]

hell, i even got a 6th gen or smth i5 and a monitor for $100 from my school

i forget what it was exactly

had some old quadro gpu in it

[fallow belfry]

Welcome to Linux

[forest latch]

i've never had this kind of problem before 💀 i blame whoever that made that vm file

or it could have been damaged during my ssd corruption episode lmao

entirely possible ngl

[fallow belfry]

Or your software switch config in the VM software is incorrectly configured

[forest latch]

nah, i had windows vms also running with proper networking so it shouldn't hahve been my vm network configurations

i did also double check and it appeared fine

[forest latch]

i have reinstalled and it has immediately worked

[mortal totem]

I've had it happen with a few ubuntu versions that resolv service fails and you have to fix the conf, restart service or something along the lines

I had a link saved somewhere relating to it if you need

[forest latch]

i've reinstalled it already so i don't need it anymore

[mortal totem]

alright

[tender ivy]

Inb4 you need it in the future and denied getting the link to save for any possible future issues.

[forest latch]

💀

[dusk kernel]

ARGH.... I'm being forced to use One Drive (and I think they converted to Azure?) on the work laptop... Ugh... changes... :-(

[forest latch]

F

why did you post it in the linux channel though lmao

[dusk kernel]

Because I'd rather be using Linux. :-D

[strong plover]

Did you used to be able to use Linux for work?

[dusk kernel]

Nah... that's always just been a fantasy. 😁 Much of what I do is via a web browser so that might work on Linux, but all the Microsoft-centric stuff would probably be problematic.

[strong plover]

WinApps 🙏

[dire barn]

I have an HP 💩box, and it doesn't have options to boot with MBR, only UEFI. I tried getting ubanto and numerous others to boot but not even the live USB will boot for any of them. i've never had linux fail at booting on UEFI or MBR systems, it seems to hang on GPU detection but if I remove my GPU and use integrated it hangs earlier in the boot process. does anyone know what's wrong?

[strong plover]

Are you trying to dual boot it or boot Linux alone?

[dire barn]

either

it starts to boot, but hangs in the boot process

yes, i've turned it off and on. yes, i've checked if it's plugged in, yes, i have experience using linux back to 1998. the PC just sucks

in the case of ubuntu, it actually hangs in the USB disk boot process since it uses graphics. slackware's live USB will actually boot into the install program, but fail to boot after install, even if not booting into graphics mode

it seems the problem is that there is a problem with my PC and any sort of graphics and linux.

but slackware won't even boot to text mode after installation

it just hangs during the boot process

so it seems even the high resolution console text is pinging my graphics

i've taken my GPU out and used integrated, it doesn't help

[strong plover]

What gpu are you using

Because yeah, it sounds like the pc is weird. But there may be a way around

[fallow belfry]

Could be secure boot. That'll prevent booting from an untrusted OS.

It's the bane of Linux in general.

[fallow belfry]

What model HP? I'll check if it's a known issue

[dire barn]

i don't have a model number because i bought it refurb and it gives a model number that doesn't even register on HP's site

already did some deep googles here

just trying to figure out if there's something missing

[fallow belfry]

What does the bios say then? HP bios always has that info somewhere

[dire barn]

oh, let me reboot

TP01-2256

[fallow belfry]

This guy? https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c07916588

[dire barn]

yes, that's exactly it.

mine is up to 32GB RAM and has a proper GPU, but it's not the cause as i've tested with and without the GPU

[fallow belfry]

In grub, highlight the Linux distro you want to boot
Press “E” to edit
Replace “quiet splash” with “acpi=noirq”
Press “F10” to boot

[dire barn]

thanks

i'll try that

i'

i'll test if it works for the live USB first

[dire barn]

@fallow belfry update: it works brilliantly. thanks for doing a better google than i did.

[fallow belfry]

Happy to help.
Half the job of an engineer is "search engine prompt architect"

[dire barn]

yeah

[tight eagle]

Honestly talking to people with answers and who have the tools to understand how to get the answers probably saves a ton on search engine resources

[dusk kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-100-cap-no-gif-21480813

[forest latch]

wait
mbr is a partition table type,
uefi is the new "bios"
these two have nothing to do with each other

unless MBR doesn't stand for what i think you're saying

[dire barn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

UEFI uses a different partition scheme than MBR, as i understand it

either way, it works now so i don't care further

[forest latch]

yeah uefi only works with GPT (unrelated to chatgpt)

in the UEFI menu, you enable legacy boot mode for MBR compatibility

[dire barn]

mine does not have that

so i had to comply with UEFI

it doesn't matter because it works

[forest latch]

why are you using MBR anyways?

[dire barn]

i'm not

[forest latch]

why were you using mbr then

[dire barn]

i wasn't

it works now so it doesn't matter

[forest latch]

welp

[tight eagle]

Only reason I have mbr is because my old computers set up their drives as such

[fallow belfry]

Pretty sure he meant CSM, basically compatibility mode for non-uefi OS

[forest latch]

Ah

[dusk kernel]

If you're stuck with a potato....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUpdHF69BQY&t=12s

[tight eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-i-am-a-potat-meh-gif-14351100

[dire barn]

@dusk kernel ubuntu budgie is great for potato

i installed that on a potato recently

you get a thin and light desktop but you have the option of using modern software

[fallow belfry]

Lubuntu? That's supposed to be the light one

[dire barn]

ubuntu budgie is the option i'd prefer to LXDE

it's just my own preferences

i like how the UI handles stuff

it also doesn't take much screen space which is great if you're dealing with an ancient 1280x1024 display or something

[sand pecan]

for older stuff I use Debian-minimal or Arch

they're very barebones

great for older systems

[strong plover]

I’ve used lubuntu before- I’ll have to give budgie a try if I need an old laptop running again

[sand pecan]

I usually have a lubuntu live install

In case things go wrong

Very handy

[dusk kernel]

Ventoy is even handier. I have 36 ISOs on a USB drive, all of which can be booted.
https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html

[sand pecan]

Wait

36 bootable images on the same drive?

Damn I need that

Would certainly make it easier to keep track of all of my usbs

I have a bunch of USBs lying around and I have no idea which one has the arch iso or which one has the debian iso

[dusk kernel]

That's correct. It's a 128GB USB "thumb drive" but you could also use any external drive in an enclosure that connects via USB

I still have 23GB free on the drive so maybe I'll add some random ISOs just for fun. 😁

[strong plover]

Man. I need a bigger drive. I’m always having to delete isos off my 32gb one to fit more

Ventoy is a lifesaver though

[sand pecan]

I like having a bunch of handy isos

It's a very handy PC toolkit

[fallow belfry]

Can also confirm ventoy is great for multi boot, but windows is kinda iffy off it

[dusk kernel]

There are a lot of options for USB drives, but I have a few of these:
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/usb-flash-drives/usb-3-1-flash-drive-bar-plus-128gb-titan-gray-muf-128be4-am/

Or put a SSD or other old HDD in an enclosure, or... yeah there are lots of options. 😁

[sand pecan]

I usually go with one that can fit on a keychain

[dusk kernel]

Yeah, I was just remembering that issue with those drives. LOL

[sand pecan]

lol

[strong plover]

I’ve done windows 10 and 11 off mine multiple times with no issues

What iffiness have you experienced?

[fallow belfry]

It doesn't always play nice with secure boot

[strong plover]

Oh I see

I realize I usually have secure boot off because of dual booting

[sand pecan]

same

that kinda makes it annoying tho

since I'll have to have separate usbs for windows isos

hm

Actually if it's a windows installation iso

could i turn secure boot back on after?

[fallow belfry]

Winblows 11 won't let you install without secure boot on. At least not without bypassing the requirements before you make the USB.

[sand pecan]

oof

[fallow belfry]

Any other windows is perfectly happy with it off at least

[languid bluff]

linx

[mortal glade]

lix

[sand pecan]

Arc liux

[strong plover]

Arh lnx

[forest latch]

Al

[brave isle]

have anyone tried building linux distro from scratch

if yes how much effort did you put in and how much did that take

[fallow belfry]

Difficulty level would depend on just how custom you want to make it. The Linux kernel is easy to modify; it's open source and well documented.
A logical next step would be to decide on a package manager you want to use, if any. You can theoretically run without one but you'll have a bad time compiling all your packages from source and keeping track of what is installed where manually.
Once you know that you can pick a desktop environment that integrates well to your chosen package manager.
All of these things can be fully customized at every step. The level of customization you want to do determines how long it will take you. A basic Debian package manager and .deb based DE would be fairly simple, maybe a few days' worth of work or a week for an amateur.

[sand pecan]

I'd recommend using arch instead of building a distro from scratch

Arch is very customisable

I'd describe it as a "build your own distro kit"

They also have very detailed documentation

[brave isle]

I tried Gentoo it was nightmare

[sand pecan]

Gentoo makes you compile everything

Arch doesn't

And also

Better wiki

But yeah even if you're going to build your own distro I'd still recommend using arch for a bit

It'll give you a lot of knowledge in that area

[strong plover]

I feel like arch is as close to building your own distro as most people need to get

[brave isle]

Gentoo not only makes you compile everything but also make you resolve slot conflicts yourself

[sand pecan]

yeah this is why arch is better

It's the middle ground

You get customisation with way less headaches

[brave isle]

Some Proprietary software support Linux but only supports Ubuntu

[mortal totem]

Alright someone needs to help my monkey brain.
Im trying to setup a ftp server using vsftpd to connect to my printer scanner. Right now im trying to lock the user in home directory with chroot_local_user in the config and I can connect to it but the directory is unwritable despite the permissions seeming fine and the explorer saying I have read write permissions

[fallow belfry]

#building-and-recc-chat message

Yes, embrace the temple

[dusk kernel]

I have to avoid #building-and-recc-chat 'cause I start thinking about building another system even though I don't need one. 😁 I only have 3 channels visible in this server so I don't spend all day reading random stuff.

[strong plover]

Yeah I have only three as well xD

Well, four I guess.

[copper ivy]

Is there a performance difference between playing games on linux vs windows? Can I get any game run on linux and is it worth it?

[fallow belfry]

Yes there's a performance difference, it's usually driver related. Generally Linux hates Nvidia GPUs in general too, they do not maintain their driver well.
It used to be you had to do a LOT of tweaking to get any game to run on Linux but ever since the Steam Deck, Proton has made it easy. There's a lot more games that are supported now than games that are not.

[dusk kernel]

Some helpful advice for you new Linux users....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC1CqyCN9Q0

[dire barn]

programmer socks

[vernal fog]

So I'm thinking of switching from Windows 10 to Nobara and I was wondering if upgrade installations are possible?

[dusk kernel]

Nobara IS a variation of Linux... it's just a tweaked version of Fedora. What do you want to upgrade from?

[vernal fog]

Windows 10 my bad

[dusk kernel]

aaaahhh... gotcha. Looks like you would download an ISO and install Nobara just like any other Linux:
https://nobaraproject.org/download-nobara/

[vernal fog]

An ISO of Nobara? I want to do an installation where I keep my data

[fallow belfry]

Windows and Linux are fundamentally different. You can technically install Linux over your Windows installation but you'll lose some of the features of the superior ext4 file system and you might have other odd issues.

[vernal fog]

Don't reckon I have any programs that wouldn't be compatible

[fallow belfry]

You'd need to reinstall all your programs anyway. Windows executables are not compatible with Linux, at least not without translation with Wine which isn't easy.

[vernal fog]

Aside from games I don't have any programs that warrant that

Unless even Libre Office requires that

[fallow belfry]

Windows packages typically don't include Linux compatible binaries, you have to download and install the Linux packages if you want it to work right. Libreoffice and Firefox are usually installed by default at least.
Games can be a struggle on Linux. Steam with Proton helps but there's still many compatibility issues. About 2/3 games work with some or no issues, and 1/3 barely works or doesn't work at all.

[vernal fog]

Right

[strong plover]

Dual boot?

[vernal fog]

I don't want to dual boot though. Sure I want everything to be "the same" as it was on Windows but really the only items of importance are a couple of documents

[strong plover]

If that’s the case, and you’re not worried about windows-only software, I’d back those documents up to a stick drive and the on ANOTHER stick drive, make a usb installer for your Linux version

[vernal fog]

That's the plan

[dire barn]

i prefer using linux but i also like to be able to buy games from within the steam client that require proton to be able to run them, which i've never gotten working outside steam OS (the most broken linux distro for my hardware)

[mortal totem]

there are other tools using wine to run games ofc but last I've tried they are still not perfect. I would be curious to see if that improves when Valve gets around to finally releasing the 3.0 arch based one for pc.

[sand pecan]

Linux either just works or doesn't

Most stuff works in my case luckily

Even with a nvidia card

But on some older pcs i own

Stuff just wouldn't run

[strong plover]

I’ve never had a problem with my nvidia card thankfully

[sand pecan]

Same

But I'm just lucky

[vernal fog]

I has AMD card

[sand pecan]

ok

[icy gate]

Hey

I've been trying to create VM in Virtual Machine Manager but I keep getting this error. what should I do in order to fix it?

I already tried sudo virt-manager but it doesn't seem to fix it....

[sand pecan]

ahahaha

AHAHAHA

one of the mysteries of life

hmm

try to chmod or chown the folder

if not try reinstalling all the packages you need for running a virtual machine

[vernal fog]

Anyone ever experienced a disk write error when installing Steam games?

[fallow belfry]

Does your disk have enough space left for both the game and the temporary files while decompressing?
If so then try this https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6AD7-820D-8BE5-E51F

[vernal fog]

Yes

I've been having a time getting Steam to properly recognize my hard drives

At this point I'm considering going with Linux Mint instead of using nobara

[fallow belfry]

How do you have your disks set up? Where are they mounted and with what permissions?

[vernal fog]

Yes

Run/Media/x/x

That's the mount point

Or so I would like to believe

[fallow belfry]

You can always verify that by navigating there in a file browser

While you're there check the permissions

Both on the parent folder and the mounted folders

[vernal fog]

I can't seem to change the ownership for one of my drives

[fallow belfry]

What program mounted the drive

[vernal fog]

Terminal? Or KDE partition manager?

Atm it seems like I need to create new folders again. Although how do I format a hard drive?

[fallow belfry]

You can format with gparted, that's often easiest

You can mount the drives from there too

[vernal fog]

Ok I'll try that again

It's not letting me format

[fallow belfry]

It would need to be unmounted to format

[vernal fog]

Just found that out

And done

And now to attempt to try again

Now they're mounted

What next

[fallow belfry]

Try to add them as steam libraries and start the download again

[vernal fog]

The permissions are for root instead of the username

[fallow belfry]

Easy to fix with chmod

I always forget to do that

[vernal fog]

What else do I type with it? I'm sorry I am very new to setting up Linux for gaming on mulitple drives

[fallow belfry]

sudo chmod 777 /path/name

That'll give permission to all users for read, write, and execute

[vernal fog]

What do I type for path?

[fallow belfry]

The mount point root

[vernal fog]

I see it in GPARTED

[fallow belfry]

Yes gparted has a column that says the mount point

[vernal fog]

It was long but I found it using information

[fallow belfry]

Keep it copied so you can tell steam where to go too

Maybe put it in a text document on the desktop

[vernal fog]

It says no such file or directory

[fallow belfry]

How did you enter it? Typing it out or copy/paste?

[vernal fog]

copy/paste

[fallow belfry]

Put quotes around the full path, otherwise it'll treat any spaces as the end of the path

[vernal fog]

Huh.

[fallow belfry]

"/like/this example"

[vernal fog]

Ok

"/like this /?"

[fallow belfry]

yes

[vernal fog]

Like just the path or the path and the name?

[fallow belfry]

Technically speaking you only need to wrap any part of the path that has a space, but good practice is to do the whole path just in case of special characters

/this/"example is"/the
"/same/as this/example"

[vernal fog]

Will that work if said path has multiple forward slashes?

[fallow belfry]

Yes

The quotation marks basically tell the terminal to ignore special characters between them, including spaces, #, $, \ , &, etc

[vernal fog]

ok

Still says no such file or directory

[fallow belfry]

Try this to see if the directory exists as entered
cd "/enter/directory/here"

It's possible if it was a long path that it didn't grab the end of the path when you copied if not

[vernal fog]

What am I supposed to type there?

[fallow belfry]

Just cd and then the path

What it will do is change the working directory in the terminal to the specified location

If there's no error, it's a valid path

If it errors, try copying the path again by triple clicking on it to select the full path

[vernal fog]

Ok

I typed in cd and entered the path name and after the local host part it shows the path name

[fallow belfry]

Ok so it is a valid path

[vernal fog]

So do I go back to chmod?

[fallow belfry]

What's the last folder's name in the path

Actually never mind

Do this
sudo chmod -R 777 ./

Since you've changed the active directory, that'll tell chmod to target the currently active folder, which is what ./ is short for

[vernal fog]

Do I need to type anything else in that command or just type it as is

[fallow belfry]

As is

Normally I would not recommend this command. It can be dangerous.

Make double sure that it shows the current folder before the # and you're good though

[vernal fog]

I did that

[fallow belfry]

If there's no error then it completed successfully

[vernal fog]

So I added the drive but it looks like this

How do I screen shot on linux again?

[fallow belfry]

Print screen key

Or alt+print screen for only the current window

[vernal fog]

Sorry about that. Right now I'm installing a game via steam and atm it's reserving space

I'm going to try to wait until it's reserved to see if the error shows up. Though I don't have much time since I have work soon

[fallow belfry]

No worries, you can always come back to it later

[vernal fog]

Still says Disk Write Error

I can still message while I'm at work but yeah. I'll have to check more into it tomorrow

[fallow belfry]

Try creating a folder in the drive and telling steam to target that folder for your next step

You can always ping me later and I'll get to you when I can

[vernal fog]

Thanks. Would I have to do that for every game? Because Proton experimental installed there just fine

[fallow belfry]

No it's a bug with steam itself apparently

Once you can install one game the others should work in the same install location

[vernal fog]

I tried to do that but it says Disk Write error

[fallow belfry]

Try this
sudo chown username:usergroup /path/

Replacing the appropriate parts of the command with your user, group, and path

[vernal fog]

like say sudo chown username:anon /3/ for example?

[fallow belfry]

More like chown anon:anon /media

[vernal fog]

I see

[fallow belfry]

You'd be changing both the owner and the group owner of the folder

Linux usernames are all lowercase btw if you weren't aware

[vernal fog]

Mm

it keeps saying no such file or directory

Or was I supposed to use the mount point in there?

[vernal fog]

I forget to mention everytime I target Steam to that hard drive it's registered as an extended drive

[fallow belfry]

Extended? Not primary?

[vernal fog]

Sorry External Drive

[fallow belfry]

Oh well that shouldn't really change anything

[vernal fog]

Ok

Still don't know why a folder can't be properly made there

Does it also matter what type of SSD/HDD you have? I have an nvme drive

[fallow belfry]

No the type of drive doesn't matter

[fallow belfry]

Yes this

[vernal fog]

I wonder if the lost and found folder has anything to do with it

[vernal fog]

Yeah I don't know what I keep doing wrong

Idk if it's because I did something wrong, if I'm not installing games via lutris, etc.

[dusk kernel]

I finally came up with a project for the Raspberry Pi 4 I bought. :-D

I have a couple of these that I saved from recycling at work:
https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-i3455-10041WHT-Touchscreen-SIlver/dp/B012Y18CJI
(it is NOT worth that price, LOL)

I wanted to use one of those as a monitor for the RasPi. But they only have HDMI out so they can't be used as a simple monitor. BUT... I can get the same functionality (and more) by connecting the AIO and the RasPi with ethernet cable, then using RDP to view the RasPi desktop on the AIO. So both will have Wi-Fi internet access and their ethernet ports are dedicated to the RDP signal.

It works... but now I need to figure out if I can find a use for it. [chuckle]

[sand pecan]

Fresh arch install

[gilded smelt]

Hey Linux newbie here. I'm wondering if I can make a raid 1 array with my OS drive and a different drive

I see people using mdadm but on two different drives that isnt the os drive

Planning on using debian

[fallow belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

I don't recommend using raid, you lose a fair bit of performance using different drives. Unraid or zfs would be better options imo.

[gilded smelt]

hm alright thanks

[outer moss]

Hey guys, I have zero experience with desktops, and would like some tips regarding building a desktop that I will primarly use remotely

I'm gonna be in a college campus, so I'm planning to reuse an old laptop of mine to access it

I really want this thing to last in the long run

Also, I'm into game development in unreal engine, so I'm gonna need an AMD GPU that is similar to the NVIDIA RTX 2080

Any advice would be awesome

[forest latch]

#building-and-recc-chat would generally be the best place to ask, but i can give you some tips

1. you would definitely want a IP-KVM for this use case, so that you can restart your pc properly in an event of a system crash/freeze (it will allow you to remotely trigger the power and reset switches, as well as access the bios), the cheapest option would be around $300-400 USD https://pikvm.org/buy/ (note that the pi 5 version may come out soon, so you might want to wait for that?)
2. honestly any build that would fit your needs would be good enough
3. make sure that the network connection is good enough at home and at college
4. amd gpus similar in performance to a 2080 would be like... i think a 6700x? check with the guys in #building-and-recc-chat

[outer moss]

Thanks!

I'll def check it out the build chat

[maiden pine]

I'm getting a Panasonic Toughbook CF-30 soon ™️ I don't know any of the specs because I don't have the charger yet. I know that it has a touch screen (looks to be Nintendo DS style, requires a plastic stylus) I want to put a lightweight linux distro on it; does anyone have recommendations? I don't know what I want to do with it yet because I don't know how capable it is.

[fallow belfry]

Choice of distro usually depends on personal preference and use case

If you want light you can do something like Puppy or Lubuntu

[pure crane]

thinking about leaving win11 and moving to linux but i'll need something light and capable

what distro's a good option? there's a bunch of them

[fallow belfry]

Compared to windows they're all light

Something Debian based like Ubuntu is a good first distro. Or if you want to ease your way into Linux, Mint has an interface similar to Windows.

[pure crane]

i guess i'll just flip a coin over those two

cant decide

heads

guess its ubuntu then

[smoky fable]

Mint is a pretty easy move from windows

I had to use it briefly for some of troubleshooting and it was super easy to set up and start using

Felt really snappy; I'd probably use it on my laptop if it weren't for lack of compatibility with Solidworks

[outer moss]

Hey guys Ik this question has probably been asked many times, but from everyone's experience here, which GPU vendor is objectively better for linux?

Like for general tasks like 3D, video editing, etc...

[outer moss]

Or are they all the same, and I'm worrying about it too much

[mortal totem]

word around in the past has been that amd had better support for linux, but more recently I see many say they haven't had any issues with nvidia on linux

[outer moss]

Yeah I figured, from what I read people over inflated NVIDIA's lack of support

[fallow belfry]

Nvidia "open sourced" part of their drivers so it's helped a little

[strong plover]

I’ve heard of, and may be experiencing, nvidia being finicky on Wayland. It appears to me that Wayland is where many distros are going, so I would look into that.

Then again, I am rocking a gtx 1060. It’s pretty old

[fallow belfry]

Nvidia was weird for me too. Unless I set a certain flag in grub I didn't get any video on boot, but it worked perfectly on the live USB. And that was both a 2070 and 3090 that did that.

I just installed Pop with the nvidia driver pre installed and it worked great

[strong plover]

See I never had a problem with drivers- mine always worked with any distro with the noveau driver and then I’d install the proprietary nvidia one. But this recent Ubuntu update where it defaults to Wayland is being weird graphically, freezing and glitching relatively often. Haven’t done much troubleshooting yet so it could be another issue.

But when I switched back to x11 briefly it seemed to go away

[mossy lotus]

Hi everyone

[dusk kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-gif-8280617

[strong plover]

‘Sup penguin dude

[tight eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-yay-sad-gif-18999695

Phhhhh lmao

[strong plover]

wHAT did I just see

[tight eagle]

Decapitation

Murder

Execution

[strong plover]

That’s what happens when you run rm -rf

To the whole os

[ornate finch]

What are the benefits of linux over windows? As much as i love the idea of it, how unsupported it is in a lot of things and the learning curve of it are a bit threatening

[tight eagle]

you can pass through to windows

[ornate finch]

Ah really? How does that work

Is it like a hybrid system?

[tight eagle]

Virtual machines

I guess you can pass your GPU through to Windows and just have linus running vestigially

[fallow belfry]

A lot of "incompatible" programs either have free alternatives that are fine on Linux or you can run the program in Wine or, as already mentioned, in a virtual machine.
Personally I dual boot. If I'm gaming I use Windows, otherwise I'm on my Linux flavor of the week.
The hugest benefit over Windows is the sheer customizability of the OS. You can change nearly everything about it. You can build the kernel with whatever options you want and change the very core of Linux.

[forest latch]

im too tired to troubleshoot but windows pc can ping rasp pi, but pi cant ping windows, and i had disabled firewall temp on private network which i was set to, and pi doesnt have any firewall rule chains either

i'm gonna go sleep and wonder if i will dream of a solution since im too tired

Also I'm able to ping the gateway from the pi, haven't tried pinging other devices though

[fallow belfry]

You can always run a Linux live USB to see if it's a settings issue or a Windows issue. Probably Windows.

[forest latch]

The problem is, I'm not even currently in the same city as my house

But yeah I'll try to use cli to disable the firewall instead, maybe that will work better or smth idk

ah

that can do it

i set a reserved ip on my dhcp server in the router but the ip hasnt refreshed yet on the windows client

[fallow belfry]

D'oh

ipconfig /release ipconfig /renew

But I'm sure you knew that

[forest latch]

yeah, that i knew, the problem was that i didnt notice lmao

kinda ironic that i talked in windows and software while talking about nginx and linux (though technically software) then i move to linux thinking that i might be having more problems with my linux configuration and then finding out that it was actually windows 💀

[forest latch]

anyone know why ./start.sh isnt starting after a reboot even with the crontab

wait

oh i think i figured out why

how do i fix this lmao

ok i think i fixed it

time to test my fix

manually calling /usr/bin/screen -dmS velocityProxy /home/pi/MCVelocity/./start.sh but it doesnt seem like crontab is running this at start

[raw cipher]

Anyone with Kali Linux White Hat pentesting experience here? I'd love some guidance! I'm a cyber security student, primarily with an interest in SOC analyst/Threat Intelligence analyst work but want to develop some pentesting skills in my spare time. Feel free to DM if you're able to help. And, apologies, staff, if this message is not allowed.

[forest latch]

white hat security testing is perfectly fine in this server; it's a matter of intent

[mortal totem]

there are a lot of services around now that have remote systems designed to learn that kind of stuff

[wary girder]

What the [fun]: shell@X5max:/ $ yes yes yes yes

that probably infinitely prints "yes yes yes" in the terminal.

[dusk kernel]

Sooooo, since it's so quiet here....

I've been pondering setting up a portable drive to use if/when I travel internationally. The main objective is to have a consistent setup without carrying a laptop so that I can work some while I'm traveling. That will allow me to stay gone longer.

I figure if I boot from the external drive, I can use anyone's hardware. I'm looking into setting up Fedora with full disk encryption and have found a guide or two for that.

I might also setup a Raspberry Pi as a backup. Then I'd only need to borrow a monitor or two.

We obviously use Windows at the job, but... so far I have only come up with 1 task that can't be done with the cloud-based apps that are available. I should be able to use LibreOffice and Thunderbird for that task, an "email merge".

Does anyone have suggestions for other methods of accomplishing this sort of thing?

[fallow belfry]

You're on the right track I'd say. Make sure the OS is pretty light so it can boot from USB quickly

[dusk kernel]

Good point. I'll probably stay with KDE on Fedora simply because I'm more familiar with it. I have an install on a USB drive that I keep updated and use occasionally and it seems to work well enough.

[vernal fog]

Does anyone here know anything regarding sound drivers?

[unborn haven]

Maybe I can help

What's the Problem?

[vernal fog]

Whenever I play games I sometimes hear a buzzing/crackling sound

[unborn haven]

I don't think it's a sound driver problem...

Other sounds/game sounds are coming out Fine?

[forest latch]

Maybe try lowering the sample rate

[vernal fog]

I could try that

[vernal fog]

It's across all games

[vernal fog]

How do I do that?

[forest latch]

im not actually too sure for linux specifically, but i know that i get audio issues when the sample rate is too high or the buffer size is too small, or whatnot

[vernal fog]

So what I did was disable the pipewire service and though the sound quality is lower, there is no crackling

[unborn haven]

Can we discuss about android platform termux?
Asking if it's allowed @fallow belfry

[fallow belfry]

Sure. Nothing inherently wrong with it. I use it myself for BusyBox tools.

[unborn haven]

I am having errors in termux that aircrack-ng tool package is not found even after installing root-repo package.
Someone help me please....

[fallow belfry]

You'll need root access as a prerequisite to change to monitor mode, assuming your wireless chipset is even capable of monitor mode, so I hope you've got that sorted before you even try to run that on android.
If the package isn't found then you need to either find a ppa or compile from source.

[unborn haven]

Thank you for so much info

[unborn haven]

I will need an extra wifi scanning usb dongle or the wifi chipset which is already installed in my phone will work?

[fallow belfry]

I don't know what your phone has in it, and USB Wi-Fi often doesn't work on phones

[unborn haven]

Mine is Samsung Galaxy A6+

I have seen many phones supporting the USB Wi-Fi

[dusk kernel]

I finally got the dnf_local plugin setup and working. \o/ It's good to know that I'm not wasting bandwidth when updating the various machines I have that are all running the same distro. 😁

https://fedoramagazine.org/use-the-dnf-local-plugin-to-speed-up-your-home-lab/

[strong plover]

Never thought of using something like that…. Something like that would be nice for my families ubuntu machines haha

[dusk kernel]

Surely there's a good option for Ubuntu. Maybe one of these would work for you?
https://medium.com/ascension-it/creating-an-ubuntu-package-cache-server-for-your-local-network-24d30c4c0806
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Apt-Cacher NG
https://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/

[fallow belfry]

If you've got the space for it you can always set up a local mirror of the linux repos

Should only take a couple hundred gigs if you include all sources for a distro

[fallow belfry]

I got curious on exactly how much space would be required if I wanted to mirror only the latest version of Ubuntu, Xenial. You can replicate my results and check other repos using rsync, for example this would be for every version of Ubuntu.
rsync -h --recursive -n --stats rsync://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
ubuntu/dists/xenial = 1.7 GB
xenial-backports = 1.7 MB
xenial-security = 772.4 MB
xenial-updates = 3.59 GB
ubuntu/pool/main = 777 GB
multiverse = 93.8 GB
restricted = 528 GB
universe = 1.35 TB

So you'd only need about 2.8TB of storage, but the advantages are huge having your own private mirror that you don't need to share bandwidth on.

[brave isle]

I once tried to use Gentoo Linux read the handbook all together and finally only managed to get a no-DE setup working and because of so many dependencies cycles and conflicts I gave up

[fallow belfry]

Gentoo is Linux hard mode, I wouldn't consider it representative of a normal experience

If you want a distro without a DE that's easier to use you can do something Debian based like Ubuntu Server

[strong plover]

That’s super easy, may try it out this summer

[strong plover]

That’s less than I would have thought to be honest. Have you ever hosted or used a private mirror before?

[dusk kernel]

Mirroring the entire repo seems like a lot of bandwidth and storage space for a lot of packages that you'd never use.

Then again... if you have a lot of machines accessing your personal mirror... maybe the bandwidth and storage space are worthwhile. 😁

[fallow belfry]

This is also including all of the nvidia driver versions and things like that, you can exclude those. That's easily hundreds of megabytes per version.
You can pick and choose which packages sync, it just takes longer to name them all and if any new dependencies happen with updates you'll need to get that elsewhere.

[fallow belfry]

I've used alternative mirrors before, but never had reason to host one.

[dusk kernel]

Aaahhh... OK, so mirroring isn't "all or nothing." Good to know.

[strong plover]

It might be worthwhile if enough friends who use the same distro could pool money for the server or storage cost to justify it

[fallow belfry]

Or for an organization that already has a server

[forest latch]

You could make a mirror for cheap with a pi and a 4tb ssd

No need for redundancy since you're going to be syncing daily

[unborn haven]

An error occurred while installing nokogiri (1.14.5), and Bundler cannot
continue.
Make sure that gem install nokogiri -v '1.14.5' --source 'https://rubygems.org/'
succeeds before bundling

I am having errors in installing nokogiri as you can see, anyone help me please? @fallow belfry

[fallow belfry]

That's a bit outside my wheelhouse, but what does mkmf.log say?

[unborn haven]

Libiconv not found

[fallow belfry]

Sounds like a missing dependency then

[brave isle]

Android uses Linux kernel however we can't talk about Android here sed

[fallow belfry]

No one said you can't

In fact the last few messages in here were about Termux on Android

If it's OS related it can go here, but if it's device related it would probably fit better in #electronics

[brave isle]

Ok thanks Fal'Cie

[dusk kernel]

I'm thinking about installing Linux on a Microsoft Surface 2 even though I can't think of anything useful to use it for if the installation works. Somebody stop me! 😁

[fallow belfry]

Why would I stop you from making your device objectively better and less crammed with spyware

[dusk kernel]

Well yeah, fair point... but... I don't think it'll even be able to effectively load youtube, even running Linux.

[fallow belfry]

Nothing about Linux stops you from watching anything. If there's a limit, it's the hardware itself.

Ok well DVDs are still tricky but I doubt most people are using those

[keen mango]

Don’t people have problems running Linux on surface devices?

[dusk kernel]

Yes, that's what I meant. The hardware can't handle the demands of modern youtube.

[dusk kernel]

"it depends." 😁 Seriously though... it's not a quick and simple process but there are options for installing Linux or Win10 on the Surface RT & Surface 2.

Aside from using it as a youtube portal, the only other use I've come up with is playing videos that are stored on the drive attached to my router. I can probably do that without changing the OS, but the lure of "instal Linux on it" is strong. heh heh

[sand pecan]

The only reason I still have windows is to separate my work spaces

Windows for strictly work (and also games that don't want to work under proton)

And linux for anything else really

Tho I have to give MS credit

Windows 11 gave me a lot of the features that I've wanted for a while

(features that were previously only on linux)

Or required janky third party software

[feral dock]

DVDs are fine

VLC

Some distros need an extra package

Like fedora

[fallow belfry]

Copy protection is the tricky part

Because of that a lot of modern movies are encrypted and don't play nice with Linux

[barren fox]

whats the best linux for an idiot that knows nothing about computer

s

[abstract wigeon]

Why linux then

uh well technically chrome OS 🤓

[fallow belfry]

Mint is designed to be pretty similar to Windows. Minimal setup needed.

[abstract wigeon]

Also popOS

[fallow belfry]

There's other distros that try to copy the windows look more

[barren fox]

thanks man

[abstract wigeon]

But if you just don't want to pay for windows you don't have to activate windows and it works like normal @barren fox

Fyi

And is legal ^

[barren fox]

man i dont care if its legal or not

[abstract wigeon]

Some people do

[barren fox]

and those are what we call

losers

[fallow belfry]

If it has a Nvidia GPU then PopOS might be a better option, since there's the option to have the Nvidia driver preinstalled.

My 2070 wouldn't have any video out unless I passed a command in grub to change the resolution at boot, but that wasn't an issue on pop

[abstract wigeon]

Cmon fal spit it out

Well now i look like an idiot

[fallow belfry]

I type longer sentences lol

[abstract wigeon]

Yikes

Sorry I'm insanely bored went to get a haircut and thought ah i won't need my earphones it'll be grand it's only 4 most people will still be working and i forgot about the school rush 😔

[fallow belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/homero-simpson-out-d-oh-gif-15451551

[abstract wigeon]

Rookie mistake

[dusk kernel]

And don't you ever change. The internet needs more coherent sentences, long or short.

[mortal totem]

short sentence r te future

[abstract wigeon]

Wat m8

[unborn haven]

What should be the minimum read and write speed of a pendrive for Kali Linux Live USB?

[fallow belfry]

Any 3.0+ drive should be enough

It loads into memory at boot

[sand pecan]

does anyone know if there's a windows 11 style tiling window manager for linux?

I like how dynamic the windows 11 tiling is

[unborn haven]

@sand pecan Okay, Which Linux?

I mean Ubuntu, Fedora or Mint which one?

[fallow belfry]

That's a good question. The desktop manager used is important.

[sand pecan]

KDE Plasma on Arch Linux

[fallow belfry]

There's Exquisite

https://store.kde.org/p/1852610

[unborn haven]

https://github.com/qewer33/Exquisite

You may get it from github too

I was finding Exquisite on github so it took time 😅

[fallow belfry]

Cloning the git would get you the latest updates

Considering the last compiled package was 2 years ago

[unborn haven]

But still it make it feel like windows 11 style tiling

Not too much differences

Coz windows updates never minded on their UI style

[fallow belfry]

There's also Bismuth https://github.com/Bismuth-Forge/bismuth

[sand pecan]

oh

[fallow belfry]

That one looks even more abandoned though

[sand pecan]

lmao I tabbed out and found a kwin script that worked

[unborn haven]

That's Good

Hopefully we helped you!

[fallow belfry]

Cool

[sand pecan]

yeah you guys gave me the idea of looking for the solution from within the DE itself

gonna try the scripts you guys linked

see which one works best

thanks for the all the help guys

oh wow these scripts are pretty configurable as well

I'm using Kzones rn and all I need to do to get a custom layout is to mess around in the config

this is why I love linux

[vernal fog]

Does anyone here have any experience using unified joycon controls?

[barren fox]

if i go from windows to linux will all my files be wiped

[fallow belfry]

Not if you don't format the drive with the files you want to keep

Linux doesn't prefer to be installed to NTFS but it can be after clicking "ok" when the warning shows

[strong plover]

If you’re dual booting and shrink your windows partition, you’ll be able to see the windows files from Linux.

But if you’re clean installing, most would recommend to back up your files, install Linux on a traditional Linux file system (ext4 mostly) and then copy everything back.

[forest latch]

personally prefer a clean install no matter the os ngl, normally i just backup the important files, and just install fresh, then move back the files i need or whatever

note that some files may not be able to be opened in linux though

[dusk kernel]

Here's something for you to laugh at. 🤦‍♂️

I was prepping an old drive in an external enclosure for reuse and deleting files, partitions, etc. I somehow managed to delete the EFI and Boot partitions on the laptop I'm using instead of the partitions on the external drive. Wow. I haven't felt this stupid in a looooooong time. LOL

Is there an easier way to restore the EFI and boot partitions than the following?

Save list of all installed packages
Shutdown broken system & use SystemRescueCD (or a Live USB)
Back up data (home & root) to external drive
Reinstall OS
Update
Install list of packages
Shutdown broken system & use SystemRescueCD (or a Live USB)
Copy data back to fresh OS (home & root to get all configs etc.)

[dusk kernel]

Hmmm.... now that I have done a tiny bit of googling, it seems that it would be easier to recreate the partitions and copy/restore the boot files from another system running the same OS.

[fallow belfry]

You can boot up the install USB and tell it to go to repair mode. Then you can use the command line tools to recreate the partitions and EFI/BCD files.

[dusk kernel]

Yeah... I'm realizing that now. heh heh My original plan was the equivalient of rebuilding a house because I didn't know how to replace a door. LOL I'm gonna blame panic and low caffeine levels.

It looks like I've got the partitions restored. I reinstalled grub2 and am currently reinstalling the 3 kernels. Once that's done, I'll compare the boot and efi directories to see how they compare to my other fedora box.
I expect that I'll need to change some UUID's in fstab so I'll backup the existing fstab and change the UUID's.

[dusk kernel]

The Fedora 39 Live USB didn't have a "repair mode" option. So I'll try to do something via SuperGrubDisk or I may resort to trying SystemRescueCD and chroot. I think I just forgot to create grub.cfg before rebooted. 🤦‍♂️

[dusk kernel]

I finally got chroot setup and grub.cfg in place in the EFI folder... still no love. Maybe I'll just go back to "plan A." 🤦‍♂️

[fallow belfry]

If there's no option for it then you can always just open a shell with ctrl+alt+T or run a live distro if you want the GUI

[dusk kernel]

Yeah, I've been using the live usb for the same distro/version. What a headache, geez. I had several other projects i wanted to do this weekend. Oh well.

[thorny rune]

...

I THOUGHT I FIXED THIS

Well there goes a perfectly good 64GB USB drive until I decide to have the willpower to deal with chmod

[dusk kernel]

What's the issue with it?

[dusk kernel]

"-R" or "--recursive" are your friends. 😀

[fallow belfry]

chown seems to be the one you want here, then you can just use that gui

[dusk kernel]

chown also does recursive. 😁

This problem could probably be resolved with 5-10 minutes of "man chown/chmod" & 15 seconds of typing. 👍 Granted, I'm assuming that the root account is accessible.

[fallow belfry]

Depending on how many files are on that drive that could take a long time just to run.
The overall cause of this is not setting the owner correctly when mounting the drive, so it defaults to root since that's the user mounting it.

Dolphin should be able to automatically mount the drive if you unmount it, then select it from the list on the left of the window

[sand pecan]

nooooo

Update broke discord screensharing

I think it's something to do with nvenc

I tried streaming to youtube with obs

But it popped up with a nvenc error until i switched to x264

Sucks to be an nvidia user

Oh well gonna stream through youtube now

With free 1080p 60 quality

[zinc harness]

anybody here good with the linux console? im trying to do some work for college and im typing these commands word for word and its not giving me the expected output

what its asking of me

whats coming out

basically apparently if i type in "ifup network_card" or "ip link set network_card up" its supposed to bring up a prompt but instead its just telling me "i[0] is invalid"

does it have anything to do with network_card being italicized?

wait no the "ip link set network_card up" outputs a different error which is "TypeError: r is null"

got it

[fallow belfry]

You need to modify the commands to suit your system. *network_card* should be replaced with your nic name.

[zinc harness]

yeeeeeeah i didnt think about that lmao

i realized after

i was wondering why it was italicized

[fallow belfry]

The instructions aren't that clear in your defense, they seem to assume some level of experience

[zinc harness]

well there is reading along with it but i didnt read it because all my assignments for this class are due tonight :D

ive done 14 weeks worth of assignments in the past 2 days

so yeah

i thought my class ended next week which is part of why its not done so im now in a very big hurry to get stuff done and i was actually supposed to work today but had someone take my shift so i can get this done and not fail the class

[dusk kernel]

"enp2s1" eh? [sigh] I miss the good ol' days when the network interfaces were so much easier to type. I miss you, "eth0."

[fallow belfry]

What if I told you... you can change it to whatever you want, because it's Linux and everything can be changed right down to the kernel

[dusk kernel]

I would not be surprised at that or at the fact that I'd never considered that might be possible. LOL I try to leave things the default when I can because it sort of forces me to pay attention to changes in "how things are currently done."

[unborn haven]

Is there any way to make a bootable live Android pendrive, Like a Linux Does?

And Boot it in any Phone or PC

[fallow belfry]

https://www.lifewire.com/create-android-usb-drive-2202053

Android is Linux, the procedure is effectively the same

[dusk kernel]

oh good grief.... as if I don't have enough random "projects" that I want to try out. LOL

[civic bloom]

Why is desktop Linux considered to have a smaller attack surface than Windows or Macs,
when the majority of public servers, mobile/ IoT devices, super computers etc run on Linux ?

[smoky fable]

My guess would be that its code is 1) simpler and 2) open source, which makes it easier for people to find vulnerabilities/harder for people to exploit them

[civic bloom]

can I add to that list, heck maybe u've already done them

Here goes:
if u guys could do it again,
how would u go about planning/managing a virtualization environment?

• Like full VMs vs containers, type1 vs type2 hypervisors,
• single vs dual GPU passthrough,
• which second GPU so that u could run any OS including MacOS (esp without x86 support in the near future),
• what if u wanna try a highly secure/private OS like Qubes alongside Windows,
• how to share file system / password management without compromising security
  etc

^^^ sorry too much to ask I know 💀

[civic bloom]

ya having a look at it again and feedback from a few users,
seems:

1. Windows malwares simply dominate, for the last 2 decades
   largely thanks to their consumer desktop market share
2. apparently what vulnerabilities present in the Linux servers space may not necessarily transfer to consumer space ?
3. like u said OSS, at least for something as crucial as the Linux kernel, would most likely get more scrutiny => faster patching

still plenty of and growing Linux/MacOS malwares tho,
so we should buckle up regardless

[dusk kernel]

I have a couple of VM's but don't actively use them. So, I have never needed to do any of the things you listed. I considered GPU pass-through once but since I would only need that for a game or two and I have a dual-boot system, it was easier for me to just re-boot rather than setup GPU pass-through.

For trying out Qubes, I'd suggest installing it on a USB drive of some sort. Also check out "tails" and "Kodachi."

[civic bloom]

thanks I haven't looked into Kodachi

but what if u decide to daily drive it,
would dual boot or virtualize be more ideal

[zenith mica]

genuine question, whats the benefit of using linux over windows outside of the cost, assuming you aren't building a custom OS or something similar, or using it in a work environment (IT helpdesk and stuff). Like what's the pro over using ubuntu or mint over windows if you had free access to both? or is it just a preference thing? I'm not super well versed in linux yet. Not trying to sound like a windows elitist, just genuinly curious as I've never really used linux outside of building a retropi lol

[fallow belfry]

The reason for using Linux will differ by each person. I like Linux because I have complete control over every aspect of the system right down to the base kernel, plus it's much more secure and far fewer viruses.

[zenith mica]

I would have thought it would be less secure. How is it more secure, if you don't mind my asking?

[fallow belfry]

Mostly because it's much harder for a virus or attacker to get system level (root) access

And there's tons of open source code implemented that's constantly audited by dedicated communities of people for security and functionality

[zenith mica]

But if it's open source, wouldn't that leave it more open to attacks? Or is there some way to do the code that blocks that? I'm not well versed in how OS are built either 😅

[fallow belfry]

Any edits to the source code have to be approved as a "pull request" by the maintainer of the package

At least the public versions work that way. You can edit whatever source you like on the local machine.

[zenith mica]

Ok. I have another question. There's a lot of different linux kernals right? Are all linux apps compatible across all linux kernals? Like if i download discord, will it just natively work on any linux kernal that has some type of desktop interface with internet access?

[fallow belfry]

There's one core kernel that makes Linux, Linux. Each distro can have it's own version of that kernel edited in whatever way they like.

[zenith mica]

sorry I meant distro. I'm just about to start learning linux for my class lol.

[fallow belfry]

What determines app compatibility is the source distro. Most are Debian based and run on the apt package manager.

There's other ones like Arch that handle packages completely differently, so you either need a package built for it or to compile the source yourself.

Ubuntu and Mint are Debian based, while Manjaro is Arch based, as examples

[zenith mica]

What is Raspbian? Is raspbian a source distro itself?

[fallow belfry]

That is the distro yes

Debian based

[zenith mica]

ok cool. I'll be back when I learn more 😅

[fallow belfry]

They did rename raspbian to raspberry pi os btw

[zenith mica]

thank you

oh I was not aware of that haha

[forest latch]

linux is basically the #1 os to use for the server world, due to it using less resources, which means more resources for the actual applications you want to run
also linux doesnt have the jank that windows is known to have; OSs like debian and red hat are pretty bulletproof compared to windows server

[fallow belfry]

Which is why 96% of servers run Linux while windows server is 2%

Tied with FreeBSD 🙃

[zenith mica]

what's the best linux distro to run as a VM for learning purposes? Should I just go with ubuntu? Also anyone recomend any specific VM software?

[fallow belfry]

It depends on what you want really. Ubuntu is a good, user friendly OS for people that want to learn Linux. Mint would be good for people that want a more familiar interface, since it looks a bit like Windows 10.
VMware is decent in my experience.

[zenith mica]

I ended up doing Ubuntu and Virtual Box. I'm using it to follow along with my class videos which I believe is going to use ubuntu but I'm not sure yet.

[forest latch]

Bleh I don't like VirtualBox