linux-and-android

[drowsy surge]

Cuz it's a client and it is supposed to safe files on an external server

Puppy is booting and copying files to ram

[strong plover]

I see. I think that should be enough? you'll find out soon.

[drowsy surge]

Yeah, I chose this os because it's just a few GBs

I'll set up language and others

1min

[strong plover]

aight. if it comes to ask about partitioning, thats where you may have made the mistake last time.

[drowsy surge]

These are the useful thing I may need, when you complete the 1st setup it only takes you to the desktop and doesn't ask to install on the internal mem

There's the program GParted that allows to partition memory

[strong plover]

no no no

again, I am not familiar with puppy. but, I think you should click the icon in the top middle that says "install"

[drowsy surge]

K

Guess universal

[strong plover]

yep, universal

[drowsy surge]

And i always get this message but proceed anyways

[strong plover]

hmm

quite frankly I dont know what this means.

I guess, choose continue

[drowsy surge]

Internal ide SATA...?

[strong plover]

I think so. I've actually never seen a pc with internal memory like that

[drowsy surge]

There are two options I could chose from, I'm not sure how the soldered on 7.3gb are recognised

[strong plover]

I don't either lol. honestly, you could have gotten away with Xubuntu or Lubuntu or maybe even normal ubuntu

[drowsy surge]

I've tried those, all of them don't work, Lubuntu works on one of the clients but not this one I'm trying

I have 4 thin clients and was able to install lubuntu only on one

[strong plover]

interesting

how is installation going now?

[drowsy surge]

Well I didn't chose whic hard drive to install to

But i guess I should chose herd drive instead of CF card/mem card

[strong plover]

That seems logical I guess

[drowsy surge]

Just checked and apparently both options refer to the internal mem

So same thing

[strong plover]

run gparted

[drowsy surge]

K

These are pertitions I had already created

[strong plover]

oh you did?

[drowsy surge]

Do I recreate only one?

[strong plover]

Oh I thought the message earlier said that one was ntfs

[drowsy surge]

I just created 2gb space for the os space and rest for other things

Do I remove those?

[strong plover]

I think you're going to need an EFI partition.

for the bootloader.

Here is what I would recommend:

[drowsy surge]

I get ext1/2/3/4 f2fs fat16/32 and linux-swap

Ntfs too

[strong plover]

A 100MB EFI partition
Your swap partition
then any space left on the drive, for the OS and any files or programs.

[drowsy surge]

Won't I need a ntfs partition?

As I understood Linux can be installed on ext partitions

Especially ext4

[strong plover]

NTFS is a strictly Windows filesystem

[drowsy surge]

Should I make a 1/2gb for the os and rest for other things/unpartitioned

[strong plover]

I have never done that, it can just cause headaches later if you run out of space.

[drowsy surge]

Ok so I'll make a 7gb ext4?

[strong plover]

first erase all those partitions

[drowsy surge]

Done

[strong plover]

and make a 100MB EFI partition, formatted in fat32 (i think its fat32)

[drowsy surge]

Do I need any swap? (Don't even know what it's for)

Or simply 7.1gb ext + EFI 100mb

[strong plover]

How much RAM do you have?

[drowsy surge]

2gb

[strong plover]

oof

if youre not doing big things, you shouldnt need swap

[drowsy surge]

Well that's why I'm using Linux: smol sys requirements

[drowsy surge]

I'm just going to install few apps and nothing else

[strong plover]

right

[drowsy surge]

Maybe some text files

[strong plover]

ok, so yes. You should only need the EFI fat32 partition, and the big EXT4 partition.

[drowsy surge]

100megabytes fat32?

[strong plover]

yes

that should be plenty

[drowsy surge]

Ok

So basically every type of file will be saved on the ext4 partition

?

[strong plover]

yep!

Unless you use a cloud location like you were saying

[drowsy surge]

I'm just going to use internal mem

Ok, everything done, now I guess go back to he installation

Now I've selected 7.1 ext partition to install the os to

Frugal ig

@strong plover

[strong plover]

I've never used puppy, so this is unfamiliar. But it sounds like you want the Full installation....

[drowsy surge]

I ve seen other people use frugal installation... But I guess it should be fine with both

Just checked and people say frugal is more well optimized

I guess "not enough ram" means something like 512/1gb

[strong plover]

just make sure that frugal doesnt require the stick drive to be plugged in still

[drowsy surge]

Huh?

Why would it?

They're both the same thing but "full" is simply not recommended for systems that are capable of running a frugal

4core 1.5gh + 2gb ram is good enough

[strong plover]

oh ok

[drowsy surge]

Went for the frugal install, ^ here it says that I'll later need to create a save file (as I did yesterday)

[strong plover]

I cannot advise you on that part, I don't know how puppy works

I just assumed it was like most other linux distros

[drowsy surge]

Should I leave it like this?

[strong plover]

....I do not know...

sorry

[drowsy surge]

I'll just leave it like this, I don't know either what folder I should be saving to

[strong plover]

yes, make a bootloader

man. puppy is completely different from anything ive ever seen

[drowsy surge]

If this os won't work I'll just leave puppy linux and go for other stuff with different installation procedures

[strong plover]

Yeah, usually you would install this to the efi partition

That one we made in the beginning

[drowsy surge]

Ok the FAT32 EFI?

[strong plover]

yeah

thats where the bootloader would generally be, but puppy is weird and isnt installing like normal stuff does lol

[drowsy surge]

Uhmm

Ooh wait
On GParted i can chose if the partition is set to "boot"

I haven't set that

Do I change it to boot partition?

@strong plover

These are the flags available for the efi fat32

[strong plover]

Yeah

I think

All the other installs I’ve done does this automatically, so I’ve never had to worry about it before

[drowsy surge]

Selected boot, should I select bios grub too?

Looks like it could be related to grub4dos or similar

[strong plover]

I don’t know, it’s worth a try

[drowsy surge]

Oke

Apparently I can't chose bios grub if there's boot selected

[strong plover]

Hmm

Google to see what’s the difference

[drowsy surge]

It still doesn't let me, it says this ^

@strong plover

[strong plover]

try using the other boot flag, the bios one or something

[drowsy surge]

Same problem with bios flag

Maybe legacy boot?

[drowsy surge]

I just selected "proceed anyways" and let the system install grub4dos (guess it created a partition), I've also created the save file to save the session. I'll later select the file to boot the os from the bios

[strong plover]

Okie dokie

[drowsy surge]

I'm back @strong plover

I tried setting the os boot from the bios but nothing shows up
I give up
I'll try another os
Thank you for helping me anyways :]

[drowsy surge]

Btw belna ethcer fricks up my SD card and makes it not visible and not formattable in disk manager (in Windows)

[strong plover]

its supposed to do that.

[drowsy surge]

Yeah but I can't even flash another os on it

I was however able to format and flash a new os installer using Rufus

[strong plover]

what about from balena?

[drowsy surge]

No, it had problems flashing it and said "somethin went wrong"

Aaaahhhh
I tried once again with Lubuntu and this time it worked, I've tried over 10 times last week and it didn't work! Well
Now I'm happy
So much time spent just to conclude nothing

Ufff

Lubuntu is also more intuitive and has a nicer GUI, I won't change it

[kind panther]

I REQUIRE UPGRADES

[strong plover]

What are your specs

[fallow belfry]

I see 12 threads and 32gb ram

[brave isle]

Htop

[junior pond]

can iget some help with Debian OS for GGrock instalation

[kind panther]

3600x and 32gb 3600 mts stuff

tis htop indeed

[strong plover]

What were you doing, compiling android?

Becsuse those are decent specs

[kind panther]

yes

i watching watching yt and the entire browser crashed with all the plugins needing to be reloaded because I ran outta memory lmao

[strong plover]

That’s some serious ram usage right there

[fallow belfry]

Make another page file for a quick fix

[kind panther]

I have 100gigs of ccache already set for the compiler to use lol, its just VERY ram intensive, my fix is just watching tyt on my phone ngl

[strong plover]

How can android compiling take so many large files, often android phones only have like 32gb of storage

[drowsy surge]

"unable to install from unsigned repository" when trying to install certain programs on Lubuntu 20.04... solutions?

[fallow belfry]

https://askubuntu.com/questions/732985/force-update-from-unsigned-repository/1050824#1050824

[drowsy surge]

Thanks I'll see if it works

[kind panther]

because yes

[strong plover]

I just don’t understand it

[fallow belfry]

The files have to be translated and compressed, with only the needed ones for the specific model included in the final image

Different hardware, different kernel, different bootloader, a generic image has to account for all of those

[strong plover]

Ok that’s more logical

[drowsy surge]

Didn't really understand what I should have done, tried a few things but I can't install chrome

[fallow belfry]

Chrome should be in the main branch, do you have problems with anything else updating?

[kind panther]

To add to this, a lot of the size comes from absolutely massive commit histories, since all the stuff is stored on github and theres like 100s of repos that have to be synced, and that adds up real quick

[strong plover]

Commit history, as in old code thats been updated?

[kind panther]

https://github.com/PixelExperience/frameworks_base
Take this for example

all the histories for that also get synced with the files themselves

so you will have 767138 messages explaining each one of the changes and what they changed as well

[strong plover]

Ohh okay

I guess that makes more sense

[strong plover]

https://bugs.xdavidhu.me/google/2022/11/10/accidental-70k-google-pixel-lock-screen-bypass/

@kind panther

[kind panther]

lol yeah i saw this haha

[strong plover]

Scary stuff

Very cool though

[sand pecan]

1 and a half month since last syu

probably should actually run it before it piles up

it piled up

[strong plover]

Yikes

Why

[lofty summit]

I update to the latest constantly

Though, I do wait a week or so after a new Pop! _OS is it before I upgrade my server, now

[kind panther]

Im stupid

ok bye

[strong plover]

Why are you stupid

[kind panther]

I spent over 6 hours pouring over my kernel code wondering why a driver wasnt compiling but it wasnt throwing any errors either

turns out I forgot to add the driver to the make file

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-dumb-gif-26405603

Lesson learnt makefiles are important

[strong plover]

That’s like me forgetting to even run a makefile before I expected a program to install

Glad it wasn’t serious though 😂

[kind panther]

Not gonna lie, erofs is pretty cool

[strong plover]

Enhanced read only file system, i'm assuming its an android thing?

@kind panther

[kind panther]

well android kernel is basically linux kernel with modifications

so you can get it to work on linux too, but yes its made for android

[strong plover]

nice

does it replace whatever filesystem is on your android, or does it just get put on a read-only partition?

[fallow belfry]

It would be best used as a system partition I think

[strong plover]

ohh, for the OS?

[fallow belfry]

Yeah. For security the OS files should be read only.

[kind panther]

yep, any logical partition basically

[kind panther]

replaces the partitions you tell it to

https://github.com/PixelExperience-Devices/device_samsung_sm7125-common/commit/a64121f793d342b93ff369d418badc514ec7b663

needs changes to the fstab

[strong plover]

thats cool

[sand pecan]

what did i miss

[kind panther]

erofs

note to self - thunar crashes if you try to clear trash when it has over 100k files

[hoary swan]

hi everyone..hope i got this right..can i ask for some tech. assistance?

[dusk kernel]

Weeelllllll... you need to ask your question before anyone can tell you if this is the right channel for it. 😁

[strong plover]

!ask

[ripe knot]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[strong plover]

yep, send question!

[sand pecan]

and he was never seen again

[strong plover]

No kidding

I’m always happy to help with stuff if I know the topic…..

[frank steeple]

@hoary swan please come back

We have cookies

[strong plover]

And they are good cookies, and they don’t have raisins in them!

[kind panther]

LIAR

[strong plover]

Do you like raisins

[kind panther]

No but the cookie you gave me had them

Reeeeeee

[strong plover]

I didn’t put raisins in them!

I bet it was @abstract wigeon that put the raisins in

[abstract wigeon]

I would never do such a horrific thing

[strong plover]

How do we know someone didn’t pay you to put raisins though?

[abstract wigeon]

I would never that is a crime against humanity

[strong plover]

That’s like saying “I would never pirate movies, that’s against the law”

[abstract wigeon]

lolol

i dont im a good boi :)

[mortal totem]

does anyone here know how to expand a lvm group

[strong plover]

Yes I agree , im just messing with you

[kind panther]

like the disk thing?

[kind panther]

ah sure lad

we believe you

[mortal totem]

When you setup linux you could either do it with traditional partitioning or lvm. I did lvm but idk how to expand it the system is stuck at 32gb and something like gparted not gonna work for this

[strong plover]

I’ve never used lvm, sorry

[mortal totem]

😦

[raw gate]

Ohh linux

[strong plover]

hi i am linux

[raw gate]

hi I'm interested in getting pc

You said Linux is good

@strong plover Can you recommend a new Equipment for me

[sand pecan]

looks into the camera

[dusk kernel]

If you want hardware suggestions, you'll probably get more attention in #building-and-recc-chat or #tech-deals-discussion

[strong plover]

Most hardware can run Linux without issue, but make sure whatever wifi chip works with Linux. Once I got one in a pcie card that didn’t work

[fallow belfry]

Even with ndiswrapper?

[mortal totem]

Some of the realtek controllers can be a pain

[strong plover]

It is a Realtek, and I tried many things. The best I could get it working was about 5mbps download and a few kilobytes upload. For comparison, on windows, it got the full 250 up 250 down.

Now I just use Ethernet, and it’s better than any wifi.

[mortal totem]

perfect example

lol realteks drivers just aren't very good. I know for sure that's a joke with audio, everyone says you got problem with realtek audio then good luck

may the force be with you

[strong plover]

My audio is Realtek on my computer, but I haven’t had issues with it

[mortal totem]

good luck fellow soldier

mine actually is too but I haven't used the built in audio card on my pc for 2 or 3 years now but the last time I used the front panel I think I blew my ears out so that's an accomplishment I guess

[strong plover]

I never use the front panel

[mortal totem]

that's a good start. Idk what happened to mine but front panel often gets messed up. mine is completely unusable now lol

[strong plover]

rip

[sand pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839021228789465099/1044895599029395466/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_a309b7d4-e43f-4725-bc75-9368b365255d.jpg

tfw didn't bother to syu for an entire month

💀

[dusk kernel]

I've gotten into the habit of updating as the first task after booting, and occasionally as the last task before shutdown. Now if I could just get into the habit of backing up data regularly. [sigh]

[fallow belfry]

I wonder how big the update for my server would be. I don't even remember when I last updated it.

I think it's been a little too long

[strong plover]

BRUH

kind of a linux thing-
Does anyone have experiance with cloudflare tunnels? I am trying to use one, but I can't find the right local IP address of the service I'm trying to use

[mortal totem]

lmao

idk anything about tunnels but i use cloudflare dns

[dusk kernel]

Well... at least that system is still doing what you need it to do, right? 😆

[mortal totem]

you and me both

[fallow belfry]

Yeah it's running fine. It's a home server so the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" rule applies. It's a LTS version of the OS so I probably just need to upgrade the package manager from the pop store or something.

[kind panther]

the real issue is that ur using popos

[raw gate]

Dont know anything about it 👀 interesting

[fallow belfry]

It was just more convenient at the time. I had a 2070 and Linux hated it. Pop had the needed driver preinstalled.

[sand pecan]

I think I'm one of the lucky ones

my 3070 mobile works

[kind panther]

ah fair enuf

[abstract wigeon]

Wdym why wouldn't it work ?

[sand pecan]

linux and nvidia gpus usually don't like to work together

[strong plover]

I’ve heard that

But personally my 1060 3gb works without any problems with Ubuntu

[fallow belfry]

You're lucky then. I tried 5 distros, debian and otherwise, and none of them would boot with my 2070 unless I edit the EFI options through GRUB to skip the GPU and boot in low graphics mode, so I could install the nvidia drivers.

[strong plover]

Ugh that sounds bad

[fallow belfry]

So that's why pop lol

Proprietary drivers preinstalled, no issues

[strong plover]

Makes sense

[finite cargo]

My university decided it'd be funny to force the use in tests of the "Respondus Lockdown Browser". Is there any known way of running this on Linux? Should I set up a Microsoft Windows VM? If so, how can I make one that's not insanely laggy (I had to get a beefy laptop for this course but every VM I've tried making has been super slow and BSOD's all the time)?

I was able to run the browser in WINE and log into the school's website, but it crashed the moment I pressed the "Start Quiz" button. Would have failed if not for a friend finishing early and lending me his laptop.

[frank steeple]

@finite cargo lockdown browser tries to detect if you're running it in any sort of virtualized environment and blocks you if you do. Your best bet is to partition of 60GB or so and set up a dual boot partition

[finite cargo]

d a r n. Is there a good way to do that without nuking my Linux bootloader?

[ripe knot]

Shence#8345 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Shence#8345 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[frank steeple]

It's hit and miss. If it does get nuked though it's pretty easy to get set back up using a live boot

[finite cargo]

I don't want to run into issues like that while in class or smth, is my fear.

[frank steeple]

It should only be an issue on the first install

[strong plover]

I’ve installed Linux and then windows before, repairing the Linux bootloader isn’t that big a deal

Basically, you install Linux, then install install windows on a smaller partition. It will mess up the bootloader. To fix it, boot into a live usb stick. Then, google Linux boot repair, and there’s a generally accepted tool to do it. In the live instsnce, you add the ppa, and install the repair tool. Launch it, and it should detect you Linux bootloader. It’ll fix it if it can. Then everything should act normally.

[frank steeple]

I just make some loop mounts and chroot in to the already installed Linux system

[finite cargo]

I'm currently using systemd-boot on Arch. I'd like to be able to select Windows or Linux from its menu. Will this allow me to do that?

[dusk kernel]

This might be helpful?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dual_boot_with_Windows

One of the sections pointed here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Windows_changes_boot_order

[strong plover]

On Linux, the discord browser version runs so much better than the .deb from the website.

I am now on endeavourOS, and didn't want to install the app, so i'm in browser. It runs so well!

[dusk kernel]

I nearly always use Discord in Firefox.

[strong plover]

yeah, I might always do that now. it's a very different experience.

[dusk kernel]

The browser version may or may not perform well with voice calls and screen sharing. I haven't used those features in forever.

[strong plover]

That is a good point

I don't use those things much either.

[finite cargo]

I'm a fan of the WebCord web browser. It's a custom browser made specifically to just load the Discord website and make it act like the desktop app, except with screenshare support on Wayland, updated Electron, audio sharing, etc

[strong plover]

Is that against discord terms of service?

I like the browser version better than the Linux app, but that’s perfectly fine with tos

[abstract wigeon]

i feel like it wouldnt be but it sounds pretty cool

[fallow belfry]

Modified clients are indeed against ToS

[finite cargo]

It's not a modified client. It's a web browser that loads Discord's website, like Firefox or Google Chromium would.

It doesn't modify the Discord client at all thankfully.

[brave isle]

another alternative is openasar

which does modify it but not really in any meaningful way

just changes one file

still against tos but I feel like it's in more of a gray area being that it's not a modified client but a slight modification to the standard client

[tardy terrace]

？

hello

[strong plover]

Hallo!

[strong plover]

And…. Never seen again

[dusk kernel]

You should have been less aggressive with your "Hallo!"... some people are frightened by exclamation marks. 😁 Nah, I'm just being goofy... because....

Fedora 36 to 37 upgrade seems to have gone smoothly... 3 out of 3 times so far with 2 more still running.

[strong plover]

Oh I’m sorry!!!! Generally exclamation marks are how I make people feel welcomed and at home!!!!!!!!!!!!

[strong plover]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[dusk kernel]

Aaaaand... all 5 systems have been upgraded without incident. But I haven't really used the systems for anything yet so only time will tell if there are issues.

[strong plover]

All from 36 to 37?

[dusk kernel]

Correct.

Now that I'm thinking about it... it's fairly wide variety of hardware too. I'll try to list some basic info tomorrow. 😁

[abstract wigeon]

Hallo is also German..... Very scary

[ripe knot]

Dude#7479 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dusk kernel]

oh good grief. 🙄

The following are the systems I upgraded from Fedora 36 to 37. The point is the variety of systems, not that any one of them is remarkable in any way. Heck, most folks here would consider all of these to be useless crap. 😆

1. AMD R7 3700 & RTX3070
2. Dell Latitude E5470 with i5-6440HQ @2.6GHz
3. Dell Optiplex 3020 with i5-4590 @ 3.3 GHz
4. Dell Inspiron 3455 with AMD A8-7410
5. Samsung 128GB USB3.1 drive 😁

The Fedora site mentioned improvements in their Raspberry Pi version so maybe I'll dig out one of my RasPi's and install/upgrade Fedora 37 just for kicks. 😆

[strong plover]

…..one of your raspis…

[frank steeple]

Yup

They accumulate lol, I've got three now I think

[fallow belfry]

Meanwhile, during a global rpi shortage,

[dusk kernel]

LOL... well I bought them several years ago. I just dug into the box of random related stuff and I have a 1B, a 3B, a 3B+, and 3 Zero's. So it's not like I'm sitting on a pile of 4's with 8GB of RAM. 😁

[fallow belfry]

Not like you can find anything these days, even the 3's

[dusk kernel]

Hmmm... maybe I should rent them to friends. 😆

[frank steeple]

I've got a 2, a 4 2GB, and a zero 2

[sand pecan]

any distro recommendations for a home server build?

thinking of turning an old laptop of mine into a home server

here's what i got in mind

[fallow belfry]

Ubuntu server is fine

[sand pecan]

oh

i was thinking of either ubuntu or debian

ubuntu server might work better actually

[fallow belfry]

Personally I go for LTS version

Ubuntu is based on Debian

[sand pecan]

that's probably the best option since i'm not gonna update the thing often

nor do i want to

don't want to risk breaking anything

I've had my gpu drivers break on me once on arch

[fallow belfry]

Regressions and broken apps are a real concern yeah, I update maybe twice a year

[sand pecan]

not a good time

[fallow belfry]

GPU drivers just break for no reason, no matter the OS used

[sand pecan]

true

i did have my radeon drivers break on me on windows a couple times

[strong plover]

Openmediavault

[dusk kernel]

A few days ago, I downloaded the ARM version of Fedora 37 to install on a RasPi. It was an ".xz" file which I wasn't familiar with. So me, being the doofus that I am, assumed that I needed to extract it and then write the resulting file to the media like I had always done with RasPi images. Go ahead and laugh if you already know where this is going. LOL

After spending hours trying to use dd to write the extracted .raw file, it turns out that Fedora has a CLI utility to install ARM images, and extraction was not needed. 🤦‍♂️ I tried to use that utility 6-8 times before I noticed the "file format not recognized" error message and figured out that it wanted the .xz file and not the .raw file. Gawd.

At least I knew the minimum size needed for the SD card because I had extracted the .raw file. So, I dug out an SD card that was large enough before trying to install a 14GB image on the 8GB SD card I would have started with.

There are only a few more GB to write to the SD card, then I'll pop it into the RasPi and find out if this worked. 😆

UPDATE - No love. It booted and looked fine until it went to the GUI. I have a black screen with some random-ish pixels where the cursor would be. Oh well... might try again later.

[strong plover]

14gb? That’s one large image

[dusk kernel]

That was the expanded .raw file. The file that is downloaded is around 3-4GB.

[strong plover]

Oh I see

[strong plover]

Facebook blocking me from using yt-dlp to download my grandpas funeral video? I’m so annoyed

How else am I supposed to get it

Lemme try another computer guess

[fallow belfry]

Using something they can't track every aspect of? Facebook:

https://tenor.com/view/wait-that-thats-is-illegal-gif-18393263

[strong plover]

It must be my ip address now

I’m going to try again tomorrow, because I know that when I access Instagram for certain things without an account, it’ll block me and then let me in in a day or so

[strong plover]

Man. I got a Facebook account banned

It was kinda funny tbh

I found a much more legal way to download Facebook livestreams, so I’m good now

[frank steeple]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-m68k-strcmp-Always-Broken

[fallow belfry]

That's pretty damn obscure if it took this long to uncover

[frank steeple]

It is, an edge case that would almost never happen from a function that's rarely called that way on a processor that barely exists

[raw gate]

Linux!!!

[strong plover]

Linux!!!

(Hello)

[strong plover]

My new server pc is really heating my room up. It’s not even running a load, it’s just still booted into a live usb of Ubuntu. Later in this winter I’m gonna be so thankful for transcoding videos and running virtual machines

[dusk kernel]

That's because Linux is hawt. nod 😁

[strong plover]

Linux hawt fr fr

[sand pecan]

thinking of installing debian minimal to use as a server os

what de should i use?

i need something lightweight

i3 should be a lot more lightweight than lxde right?

basically i want a gui but not the bloat that comes with it

[strong plover]

I don’t know what kind of server you plan to run, but consider openmediavault. It is plain debian with a web gui (so no actual desktop environment)

[sand pecan]

hmm

that actually does sound pretty good

[frank steeple]

It's a server, so none/doesn't matter

[strong plover]

It is really nice! You can treat it like normal debian from the terminal, but the webUI is very helpful. There is a fairly active forum for it if you have question, or if you prefer discord, I made a discord server dedicated to it and there’s several smart people on it (forum mods)

It also is really easy to set it up with docker/portainer to run other services like media servers and cloud storage

[strong plover]

Already got it installed, nice

If you installed it to a usb stick drive or ssd, make sure to installed the flash memory plugin so it doesn’t kill it

[sand pecan]

what's the flash memory plugin?

do i just install it via the web interface?

[strong plover]

If you installed it on an SSD or a stick drive, you need it. In order to isntall it, you need to install omv-extras. you can find isntructions on the web really easily, just search how to install omv extras.

[sand pecan]

it should be in the debian repos right?

[sand pecan]

do i need to fo anything after?

[strong plover]

No, there is a script that you run to install it.

[strong plover]

I’m sorry I can’t walk you through it completely right now. But after omv extras in installed ( https://www.wundertech.net/how-to-install-omv-extras-on-openmediavault/ )

Then you will go to the plugins tab on the left.

And search for flash memory (it should pop up by typing flash).

Click install and follow and prompts.

https://wiki.omv-extras.org/doku.php?id=omv6:omv6_plugins:flashmemory

[sand pecan]

i think it auto installed it

[strong plover]

I didn’t realize it could do that now, that’s great if so

[sand pecan]

first zfs pool

here it is

gonna try accessing it from windows

thanks guys

couldn't have done it without y'all

[strong plover]

Zfs

[brave isle]

http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports/dists/sid/main/binary-powerpc/

I want to use this powerpc 32 bit debian distro but I can't seem to figure out how to use the file

I tried using both the Packages.gz and Packages.xz files but I think I'm doing something wrong

[fallow belfry]

What are you using to emulate the PowerPC processor?

Qemu? PearPC?

[brave isle]

My wii U

💀

So i guess its not emulation since its an actual ppc cpu

[fallow belfry]

Well I've never run a custom os off a Wii so I'm not much help there. Best I know how to do there is cfw.

[brave isle]

I could only find one singular youtube video on the subject so I'm just trying my luck here

[brave isle]

Success!

[fallow belfry]

Nice! I'd give it a try myself but my project list is already too long lol

[brave isle]

Only problem is i can’t seem to use any install commands Something about my sources aren’t updated

I’m trying to use nano to add more sources but im not sure if i’m doing this right

because then it just turns into this when i try ‘sudo apt-get update’

Apparently my problem is related to keys, and updating keys requires gnupg, but i can’t get gnupg because i need keys to use sudo apt or sudo apt-get

[fallow belfry]

You can temporarily disable key enforcement but it's been a while since I did it

Oh right, try passing --allow-unauthenticated to apt-get

sudo apt-get --allow-unauthenticated update sudo apt-get --allow-unauthenticated upgrade

I don't recall if it was deprecated or not

[brave isle]

Hmm i’ll give that a whirl

doesn’t seem to work

still same key thing

back to the sources thing, could I change where ‘sudo apt-get’ looks?

so i can avoid the dysfunctional debian url

Woah. switching the source may have worked

Nope! Nevermind

[strong plover]

just learned some tricks for chmod command, I am so powerful

[sand pecan]

zfs be like

update linux-headers

breaks zfs

i should just make a script that auto reinstalls zfs

[strong plover]

I use it in openmediavault and I’ve never had a problem ever

[sand pecan]

it happened on both my debian and arch install

same exact issue on two different computers

it's not a big problem but 🤷‍♂️

[strong plover]

Huh, that’s weird

[sand pecan]

yeah it's a minor nuisance but very easy to fix

[sand pecan]

i may or may not have wiped my hdd

💀

[strong plover]

Hopefully you had backup?

[strong plover]

I got my hard drives moved to my new server this evening

Still have to mount them and redo a ZFS pool (with proper configuration this time) and then restore some files

Btw, rsync has been my hero

[sand pecan]

lol no

but zpool import -f still works so

maybe it didn't actually erase anything?

[strong plover]

Oops 😳

Huh, maybe

[sand pecan]

yeah

it also kinda bricked ovm so

gonna reinstall it

[maiden pine]

I am potentially going to install Linux on my friend's PC this weekend. He has a multimonitor setup and I'm pretty sure an Nvidia graphics card (I only remember that it's MSI brand). I have literally never dealt with Nvidia Linux before, is there anything I need to know / need to install / need to tell him?
I'm planning OpenSuse, but IDK Plasma vs GNOME or Leap vs Tumbleweed.

[strong plover]

Why open suse?

Plasma is pretty nice on multiple monitors

But if he’s new to Linux, do him a favor and give him an Ubuntu based distro

[maiden pine]

I've just been gravitating towards opensuse for my own uses. I haven't found anything I dislike about it (except GNOME Software updates fail on Leap, and I have to sudo zypper update.)
KUbuntu and Ubuntu Gnome would probably have a better mix between Leap's 1 update per 2 years and Tumbleweed's 200 updates per week.
I use plasma multi-monitor myself but only with AMD.
also plasma multi-monitor has a fun bug where the kscreenlocker unlock button stops working. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=456210 I've had to disable kscreenlocker on my own PC.

wait... is there not an official GNOME flavor for Ubuntu?

[strong plover]

Kubuntu is what i would recommend

[strong plover]

I have never experianced this bug, that is interesting. I am on Ubuntu studio, here's my system

[strong plover]

Standard Ubuntu ships with GNOME.

[fallow belfry]

I too prefer KDE Plasma

Or just stick with Pop! since it has the Nvidia driver my system refuses to get to the desktop without

[maiden pine]

After waking up your pc from sleep typing in your password and hitting enter, do you see an extra screen that's just your wallpaper with a small "unlock" button in the center?
(kscreenlocker is different from the lock screen you see after you reboot, BTW.)

[strong plover]

I only use sleep function on my laptop, and no, it does not do that

On my desktop I have the monitors turn off after a time, but not sleep

[maiden pine]

Hmm yeah then you shouldn't encounter the bug. It's the extra unlock button that sometimes glitches out.

[sand pecan]

KDE Plasma is the goat

it has a lot of features while not being that bloated

at least compared to windows

but that's kinda cheating comparing linux to windows

[strong plover]

All is fair in this case

[sand pecan]

linux is just

well it's subjective but

i like linux a lot more

[strong plover]

less compatible with windows software

[sand pecan]

one of the major reason is package managers

[sand pecan]

yeah that's why i run a dual boot

i use windows as a secondary and for school

[strong plover]

But yeah, i dislike windows a ton

[sand pecan]

windows updates are so annoying

compared to just pacman -Syu or sudo apt upgrade

[strong plover]

Bro you would not believe the lengths I went to keep using Linux while using Microsoft word for college last semester. I basically ran a VM. I used winapps

[sand pecan]

i hate how windows updates sometimes makes you restart your pc in order to apply them

even when you clicked "update and shut down"

[strong plover]

Right

90% of Linux updates don’t need a restart

[sand pecan]

fr

[strong plover]

And even then, they’d probably be fine without a restart

You could manually restart services if you wanted (but it’d be faster to reboot)

[sand pecan]

yeah

linux is also faster to boot up

[strong plover]

Totally

[sand pecan]

i really like what valve is doing with steam proton

i went from like 20% of my library playable on linux to 90%

[strong plover]

I don’t play games like that are on steam, but I’ve heard great things

[sand pecan]

yeah steam proton is singlehandedly carrying linux gaming

[strong plover]

That is actually impressive

What game(a) don’t run on Linux? Anticheat ones?

[sand pecan]

there are also custom proton builds you can use if the valve builds don't work

[sand pecan]

anticheat games and vr games

and microsoft flight simulator

[strong plover]

I hope Linux gets good vr support in the future

[sand pecan]

yeah that would be awesome

imagine steam deck vr

a handheld that can run half life alyx

[strong plover]

😱

[sand pecan]

probably want to secure the thing to your desk tho

or else you might drag it off the table and smash it

[strong plover]

Yeahhh

But it would still be super cool

[sand pecan]

yeah

wait

the deck mounted on your back

like inside a backpack

YOOO

[strong plover]

Yoo

YOOOOO

for augmented reality!

You could walk around places

[sand pecan]

that would be a pretty good alternative to oculus airlink

airlink is a bit jank but it's awesome

if it works

oculus update broke it so i'm back to the link cable

[strong plover]

That’s frustrating I’m sure

[sand pecan]

yeah

[strong plover]

Wish I had an oculus lol. I’d have to boot windows or use on-device gaming though

I would just wanna play beatsaber hehe

I played it on my aunts oculus rift. It was so much fun

But she lives in Florida

[sand pecan]

yeah oculus is cool

you can play steamvr games and oculus games

best of both worlds

facebook tho

that's the biggest drawback

[strong plover]

I knowwwww

I got IP banned on Facebook lol

Had to use a vpn to get around it, and it periodically blocks the vpn ip

[sand pecan]

bruh

[strong plover]

Good thing I never used it

[sand pecan]

i only use it for oculus

[strong plover]

Smart

[mortal totem]

how the heck do you update nodejs on ubuntu. i feel so stupid im trying to make a npm project and it keeps telling me wrong version (v12) so i try to update and it fails everytime

https://i.imgur.com/hkDeeJM.png

[fallow belfry]

Looks like either a bug or the new version breaks something

[mortal totem]

yeah idk im just really annoyed because I already went through this once on a different computer but I completely forgot what i did to fix it

[fallow belfry]

Probably have to kill whatever is using libnode-dev so the overwrite goes through

Possibly also reinstall libnode-dev at the same time

From what I can tell it boils down to bad error handling and/or packaging

[mortal totem]

ok in panic i started deleting things and eventually got it to work

[fallow belfry]

Well if you deleted libnode-dev and all packages dependent on it that would solve the conflict

[mortal totem]

in order I did:
sudo apt remove nodejs
sudo apt remove libnode-dev
sudo apt autoremove
curl -fsSL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_19.x | sudo -E bash - &&
sudo apt-get install -y nodejs
now it appears to be working

[fallow belfry]

Yep that would do it

I just hope nothing too important depended on libnode-dev

[mortal totem]

lol

[earnest leaf]

whos on dis?

[frank steeple]

No, who's on second

[sand pecan]

whose on deez

[strong plover]

I don’t know who’s on third

[fallow belfry]

No Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know is on third

[strong plover]

Tomorrow is the pitcher

[fallow belfry]

Why?

[strong plover]

The left fielder!

[floral oyster]

/image

[lone whale]

[strong plover]

Bruh

[frank steeple]

Interesting

[dusk kernel]

/imagine

[mortal totem]

No

[dusk kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/rude-why-are-you-blaming-me-why-me-huh-youre-so-mean-gif-16809017

[ripe knot]

\> tell me a story about Alfa, an internet dwelling human, who tries to use a Linux discord channel incorrectly

At first, Alfa was overwhelmed by the amount of information and technical language being used. They tried to ask a few basic questions, but the other users were not very welcoming. They were frustrated by Alfa's lack of knowledge and kept telling them to go away and learn more before coming back.

Alfa felt disheartened and decided to leave the channel. However, before they left, one of the users noticed their plight and decided to take the time to explain the basics of Linux to Alfa. They guided Alfa through the basics and even gave them some resources to help them learn more.

Alfa was so grateful for the help that they decided to stay and learn more about Linux. They eventually became a regular user in the channel, and even started helping other new users with their questions.

Alfa's experience in the Linux discord channel taught them the importance of respect and patience when interacting with others online. They also learned that it is important to take the time to learn the basics before diving into more advanced topics.```

[dusk kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jowCUo_UGts

[slender trout]

Does anyone know how to install windows on Linux?

If you do hit me up with a dm

[strong plover]

Do you mean like in a virtual machine?

Because windows is an operating system not a software

[slender trout]

Yes

I have a VPS with Linux on it, and I’d like to install windows on it

[sleek halo]

You have to go through the VPS' panel to do that then.

[mortal totem]

typically I don't use vps' with graphical interfaces although I know some let you install windows server with a license. what were you planning to do with it?

[strong plover]

If you’re renting a vps it might be easier to just run windows server or choose a different vps

[slender trout]

I’d like to go through the panel, but the host I’m currently using doesn’t offer windows, so I have to install it manually. I’m planning to host a couple fivem servers. Ik I could use zap which is specifically made for fivem but I hate zap

[mortal totem]

Ehh the problem is most services you have to go through their provisioning software and often if they do offer windows they make you provide a license or buy a new one.
It should be possible to make the server in linux i would imagine, if you are unfamiliar im sure their are guides and could be nice learning experience 🙂

https://www.atlantic.net/vps-hosting/how-to-install-fivem-game-server-on-ubuntu-20-0/

Im not sure which providers specifically but i believe there are some out there that allow you to upload custom isos. Im just not sure how you would log onto a non server version of windows to set it up

[strong plover]

I just don’t know how the performance would be. Generally vpss are already virtualized, and if your then virtualizing windows on top of it, it might be pretty slow

[fallow belfry]

Gasp
That's why virtual reality sucks so much! Nested virtualization!

[slender trout]

I've ran a vps with windows before and they are fine as long as you have a good cpu and ram which I have

But I'm not a big fan of linux so i'd rather have windows. I would go to a different host but I don't think I'd find another host that offers similar pricing to one I'm currently using

[strong plover]

Nested virtualization is actually the worst, one time I did it on my desktop pc in a virtual box vm, it was NOT worth it

[strong plover]

A vps running windows, or a vps running Linux then virtualizing windows?

[frank steeple]

And that's assuming they have nested virtualization enabled

@slender trout honestly just find a provider that allows native window images, all the good ones should

[strong plover]

Yeah. I’d you don’t like Linux, then you’re gonna have a horrible time getting windows VMs to work on it

Is there a reason you can’t use Linux though?

[fallow belfry]

Something something GTA V doesn't run on Linux

Is my guess

(which is ostensibly false)

[strong plover]

What is fivem anyways

[frank steeple]

Game server

[fallow belfry]

Modded GTA V

[strong plover]

A quick search online makes it look like you can indeed just run it on Linux

[sand pecan]

Game servers usually can run on linux

and probably are hosted on linux anyways

GTA V runs on linux but mods complicate things

[strong plover]

Ah I see

[sand pecan]

*runs on linux with proton

[pure crane]

I’m trying to use my PC running Ubuntu on my school Wi-Fi, but it would look suspicious if it pops up on their end as a Linux PC

Other than changing the host name what are some things I could do to make it look normal (ex. like making it appear as an iPhone or a Windows PC)?

this question probably is too complicated lmao

[fallow belfry]

It's not that the answer is complicated (while that is true) it's more that you have to have a working knowledge of penetration testing and it will only work on specific wireless chipsets.

Odds are no one is really watching the school wifi. They don't have enough budget for that. They just have someone set the filters and trust that it'll be good enough.

[pure crane]

So setting the host name and using a VPN (without Wi-Fi auto connect on) would be enough?

Gotta hope they don’t look at MAC addresses or anything like that

maybe I’m just over complicating this because I watch too much Mission Impossible lmao

[fallow belfry]

MAC addresses are tied to the wireless chip, not the OS

You can scramble your MAC if you really wanted to but that would only keep them from tracking what hardware you have.

Additionally if the school is smart they've blocked VPN completely because that bypasses all their filters

(Many are not that smart, test it and see)

[pure crane]

They haven't. Some protocols still work fine over the internet

And if I wanted to, I think a certain port makes the VPN connection look like any other internet connection. Not sure which port though, need to research that further

[fallow belfry]

Yeah some VPN services have a "ghost" or "chameleon" mode to get past those blocks

[strong plover]

They likely will not ever see or care what operating system there is. I have connected to school wifi networks on my linux laptop without issue.

I dont know what means of authentication your school uses, but if it takes you to a webpage to log in with your student credentials (my college did that) sometimes linux wont automatically open the webpage. in that case I had to boot windows, connect to wifi, make note of the web address, and manually go to it to connect each time the wifi auto logged me out (it was a weird wifi system ill say that much). Just putting that out there if anyone ever runs into that, this is a workaround.

[sand pecan]

if they don't ban vpns they probably don't care enpugh

[pure crane]

My college doesn’t use a webpage, it instead uses a hidden Wi-Fi network that you can sign into with a student username and password

They didn’t give us instructions to log in, I just figured that out myself. Sheer luck how I found that out

Thanks lads, I’m going to try a VPN

[frank steeple]

A bit late, but your it team probably uses Linux, used Linux in the past, doesn't get paid enough to give a darn, or all of the above

[strong plover]

Yeah, definitely all of the above

[brave isle]

you don't actually have to this

if you go to 192.168.1.1/.0.1

on a not logged into network, that requires web-page logon

those will take you to its login page

just like how going to those while connected to a router usually takes you to that routers login portal

[frank steeple]

I really hope that school wifi isn't using 192.168.0.0/16

[brave isle]

idk that's always worked for any sign on network I've needed

it was probably 0.1 tho

[frank steeple]

School wifi would probably be using something in 10.10.0.0/16

[fallow belfry]

Depends on how it's configured. If all the clients share a DNS server 10.0.0.0/8 isn't unreasonable at a college.

[mortal totem]

Yeah i see a lot on 10.0.0.0

[brave isle]

idk im in hs and it uses 192

[fallow belfry]

HS is different, the IT (if they even have one) tends to not care at all since there's not really sensitive data on the student accessible networks. All they have to do is isolate the teacher's computers.

College they have classes that can teach you how to hack a network so they need to do a lot more security configuring, and they'll have a lot more clients too.

My college had an entirely separate internet connection for the computer lab to keep the security class out of the campus network lol

[strong plover]

thats what my college was, but it was 10.??.?...etc. its started with 10. but then it was bogus

[fallow belfry]

Depends on the mask bits. /16 is probable since it allows 65534 clients and that should be enough. It could have been anywhere from 10.X.0.0 to 10.X.255.255

[strong plover]

Right

I don’t know how many proxmox users there are here…. But! I'm probably going to switch to proxmox soon. I'm mentally debating whether I should run all my docker containers in VMs or LXCs. if you have ideas or experience i'd love to hear it. I see Proxmox recommending VMs, but a lot of stuff online saying LXCs because its easier to back up and restore, and less overhead.

[forest latch]

import os
# Asks user what directory to archive and tests if it is valid
directory = input("Enter the directory to archive: ")
if not os.path.isdir(directory):
    print("Invalid directory specified.")
    exit()
# Asks user what to name the archive file
archive_name = input("Enter the name for the archive: ")
# Asks user if they want to compress the archive file, and what compression method
compress_input = input("Compress archive? (y/n): ")
compress = False
compression_option = ""
if compress_input.lower() == "y":
    compress = True
    compression_method = input("Enter the compression method (gzip, bzip2, xzip): ")
    if compression_method not in ["gzip", "bzip2", "xzip"]:
        print("Invalid compression method specified.")
        exit()
    archive_name += "." + compression_method
# Creates the command for making the archive, depending on what options the user has picked
command = "tar -cf {}"
if compress == True:
    command = "tar -c{} -f {} {}"
    if compression_method == "gzip":
        compression_option = "z"
    elif compression_method == "bzip2":
        compression_option = "j"
    elif compression_method == "xzip":
        compression_option = "J"
    archive_name = archive_name[:-len(compression_method)-1] + "." + compression_method
    command = command.format(compression_option, archive_name, directory)
else:
    command = command.format(archive_name + ".tar")
# Check if the directory is empty
if not os.listdir(directory):
    print("Directory is empty. No files to archive.")
    exit()

# Runs the assembled command
status = os.system(command)
# Checks if archive creation completed sucessfully
if status == 0:
    print("Archive created successfully.")
else:
    print("Archive creation failed.")

why does this barely work

someone help me fix my crappy code lmao

it works when i'm using the compressed options, but it fails every time i tried to make it without compression

the version i'm stitching in argparse into is not working at all because of how i made the code

-cf should be the correct option for non-compressed tar files

at least from what i've read from the man page

i'm probably missing some stupidly obvious thing that i have not noticed yet

[forest latch]

also if this helps at all, this is the error. the downloads folder has 2 items in it

[fallow belfry]

"../" means go up a directory first right?

"./" would be "start at current directory"; if you have the script in your home folder that would work

[forest latch]

yeah i have my script in a bin folder in my home directory, so that downloads folder is valid

all i did in that command is go up one directory (my home directory) and go back down to downloads

i've coded in a fail-safe kinda to check to make sure the folder is valid and has files in it

the issue is most likely something to do with the code, but i don't see any glaring issues

[abstract wigeon]

Btw for things like the if directory you can just get it to while loop until a valid directory is put in or make the path just makes it more of a clean package imo but I'll have a proper look at running it

[abstract wigeon]

Correct

Like if you're in c:\temp
If you cd .. you end up in c:\

Off the bat your code looks fine tho

[forest latch]

I JUST SAW WHAT I DID WRONG

else:
    command = command.format(archive_name + ".tar")```

i forgot to add the directory variable to it 💀

it was supposed to look like

else:
    command = command.format(archive_name + ".tar", directory)```

and i was supposed to have 2 {} {} (i forget the term for it)

LETSGOOOOOOOO

it literally was something as "obvious" and as simple as that 💀

[abstract wigeon]

usually is

i spent half an hour on friday calling a file within itself by accident in verilog and it didnt throw an error i was so confused why no output

[forest latch]

Rip

[heavy ether]

/find some image dog

[dusk kernel]

No 🐶 here... only 🐧

[random schooner]

So I have this android 8 phone right, I’m trying to find ways to force it to go to android 12, but I don’t know how, anybody have a clue?

[fallow belfry]

If you have it rooted and a custom bootloader it's easy. You just run lineage or some other custom OS.

[random schooner]

Sounds simple, thanks

[abstract wigeon]

Or pixel experience

[forest latch]

note to self: don't run gzip on /etc/sudoers because it doesn't make a zipped copy (at least without any optional parameters) and it messes up the sudo permissions

lmao

💀

fixed it now after going on root

for reference, i was trying to test if i gave sudo permissions to just gzip for a user (part of the assignment) and i wanted to test it on a restricted file so i ended up picking sudoers which didn't end up being the greatest idea of all time

[strong plover]

Any suggestions for self hosted software I should try? Preferably deployed in docker or LXC but I’m always open to anything, and looking for new stuff

[mortal totem]

has anyone had their resolv.conf file just randomly disapear one day

[vale blade]

What distros do you guys use? I was running Ubuntu and windows 11 awhile ago, but switched back to full windows 11 as I found programming on windows a smidge easier, now I kinda wanna try Linux again.

[abstract wigeon]

ive tried pop and mint before they where fine

[mortal totem]

i mostly just use ubuntu and debian

[dusk kernel]

I dual boot Fedora 37 & Win10.

[vale blade]

I have tried pop os in a VM before but never on actual hardware, not bad though. Mint I have never used though

I find windows is best for programming for me since I am mostly building c/c++ code for windows and using windows headers, probably why I just kept using windows instead of dual booting

[vale blade]

Opinions on kali Linux? I have it on my laptop but I don't use it that often

[mortal totem]

kali isn't really a daily distro. specific to pentesting

[strong plover]

Kali is just debian with a few packages installed by default

You can totally daily drive it, but it would be better to use a different distro. Even plain debian

[fallow belfry]

Kali has a lot of security features disabled in order to test vulnerabilities better, it really isn't meant to be a daily

[vale blade]

Ah I see, I kinda liked Kali so I might end up trying plain debian in that case

I am doing a clean install of everything on my computer this weekend so I might try debian and see how it goes

[forest latch]

what

OH

I'M DUMB

I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE COMMAND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO RUN

LMAO

i need a few shots of alcohol

[strong plover]

rip

[forest latch]

huh

[fallow belfry]

iptables -h should tell you what valid protocols are

[forest latch]

huh just doing 22 seems to work?

hmmm wait this is the "xns-idp"

[pallid mantle]

sorry

[dusk kernel]

Or a few shots LESS? 😀

[strong plover]

No kidding 👀

[frank steeple]

Nah, gotta hit the Ballmer peak

[forest latch]

why do you need to use sudo to shutdown anyways

[forest latch]

need more to focus frfr

[forest latch]

but reboot doesnt

[strong plover]

So you don’t accidentally erase someone else’s work if they’re on the same pc

[forest latch]

then why does reboot just work

[strong plover]

What OS are you on? On debian I have to use sudo reboot

I’m using those as servers

Idk about my desktop though

[frank steeple]

Cause permissions and user groups

[forest latch]

centos

i guess the account is on the wheel group

haven't tested it on regular user accounts hmm

[junior talon]

Whats the best linux

[fallow belfry]

The one that has the features you want and an interface you like

Personally I like PopOS since it comes with the proprietary Nvidia driver pre-installed which bypasses a bug I've run into. Second choice is Mint.

[junior talon]

I was thinking mint but its going to be hard switching from windows to Linux. Since ive just now been learning about linux and use windows most of my life

[fallow belfry]

Mint should be easy enough to pick up, the interface is quite similar to Windows

[strong plover]

Mint is similar, but I personally think Kde plasma is more similar to windows than cinnamon is.

[junior talon]

Whats the best for gaming in your opinon

[fallow belfry]

PopOS since the pop shop has almost everything you need for getting started gaming

Flatpak makes everything easy

[junior talon]

https://pop.system76.com/ this one right?

[fallow belfry]

yes

[strong plover]

Tux

[wild sigil]

If tux was in a room full of Linux enthusiasts they'd probably rip him apart

[strong plover]

Why do you say that

[frank steeple]

Cause I'm hungry?

[wild sigil]

Penguin tasty lookin

[strong plover]

I mean I can’t argue with that

[dusk kernel]

I hate dealing with audio on Linux.

That is all... for now.

[brave isle]

use pipewire

[dusk kernel]

"audio on Linux" includes pipewire. It's all a headache.

[strong plover]

Audio on Linux is a pain I do agree. Switching to pipewire on an endeavourOS install made it a lot smoother for me, but it’s still nowhere near macOS in terms of usability

[fallow belfry]

Just don't use audio 🧠

[tight eagle]

I am become deaf, destroyer of words

[pale junco]

Was wondering if I could get some help; I've been thinking of switching OS for a long time, as I don't need many of the features windows has but I am unsure of how it stacks up these days. So besides losing easy access to microsoft stuff like office(i think?) are there any downsides now? I've heard games are less compatible but that was years ago so not sure how it is these days.

[fallow belfry]

Gaming is much, much better than it used to be thanks to Steam integrating Proton. There's still a lot of games that don't work well with Proton but there's plenty that work perfectly.

The Steam Deck had a large part in that push for compatibility

[pale junco]

Great! And the only other problem I can think of is data transfer-could I simply move all my files to a hard drive and disconnect it while installing linux? Not sure how that works

[fallow belfry]

The Linux installer is better than Windows tbh. You get to choose how and where everything is installed, and you can customize where your home folder, programs, and operating system are physically located.

Moving files to a backup drive is still a good idea but Linux also fully supports NTFS and other file systems

[pale junco]

But if I move to linux does it not uninstall everything on my windows drive?

Or my install drive

[fallow belfry]

You can dual boot from the same partitions

It's a good idea to erase everything anyway but you don't have to

[pale junco]

Oh sweet! That's nice lol

And then lastly...which one is a good choice?

[fallow belfry]

For gaming, especially if you have a Nvidia GPU, PopOS! is a good pick

[pale junco]

Is there a better alternative for AMD? Or is it just specifically good on PopOS?

[fallow belfry]

Pop is set up for gaming out of the box so it's a good option in general. It's also got flatpack set up and the pop shop which simplifies installing things.

[pale junco]

I'll look into that then, thanks! Just wanna clarify a few things, to install I can just install it on my current drive(keeping files or backing them up), and it runs most games the same(performance wise) as windows?

[fallow belfry]

Some games even run better on Linux thanks to reduced overhead but there's always a few that just don't like it.
Yeah that all tracks.

[pale junco]

Alright, sweet. Any chance there's a place to check how well games will do on windows vs linux? Or will there just be youtube videos like with other things

[fallow belfry]

You can check the proton database

https://www.protondb.com/

[pale junco]

I assume I'd go by the medals and not by the tips given? Most of them seem to be steam deck users which I'd assume is cause it's for steam deck

[fallow belfry]

Yeah the deck is what drove the improvements we're seeing

The medals show how well a given game will play, platinum is basically flawless, gold is totally playable with only very minor issues, silver is playable but might need tweaks

So 86% of the top 1000 games played right now run either great or have only minor issues

[pale junco]

Super useful website!

Does overclocking and all that work the same? Just saw some comments saying it's different

[fallow belfry]

You can even log in with steam and it'll tell you how much of your library will work

The tools are different for overclocking but the concepts are the same

There's fewer limits in Linux too, so if you could only do +1500 memory in Windows you can do +2000 in Linux for example

[pale junco]

What tools would those be?

[fallow belfry]

You can use this but you need to set a few kernel parameters in terminal first to enable overclocking https://gitlab.com/corectrl/corectrl

[pale junco]

After looking at the games seems anticheats poses a problem. Any chance you can play a game you have installed on windows when on linux?

If you used a dual partition ofc

[fallow belfry]

That's the beauty of dual boot. If you have issues just boot windows.

[strong plover]

Linux supports ntfs but I would highly recommend using an ext4 partition for the installation itself

[fallow belfry]

Indeed ext4 is just better in every way

[strong plover]

I know ext4 is a journaled filesystem and all that, but I genuinely do not know why ntfs is used, or if it has any pros to it

[fallow belfry]

NTFS is used for compatibility purposes mostly. It's been around for over 20 years after all.

It's also a journaled file system but it was designed when drives were maybe 20GB on average, not 2TB, so the journal size gets VERY bloated.

[strong plover]

I feel like windows is just built completely around backwards compatibility, for instance, the registry. And now literally the filesystem 💀

[fallow belfry]

100% accurate. It's been that way since forever. You can still enable directplay, from directx 7.1, in settings.

[strong plover]

….which is cringe.

I’ve heard a major reason for all the backwards compatibility is because the US government still uses so many outdated programs 💀

Idk how accurate that is though.

It is kind of cool that you can run super old programs on it. But seriously, port it to a modern os, or use an emulator or vm! Don’t hold back the whole os

[fallow belfry]

Not as many outdated programs as production lines use. There's lines running on windows 95 machines. When one breaks they have to spend $2000 on a new one. That's new in box. Because there's enough demand for them to make a profit off custom boards and builds.

[strong plover]

Interesting.

[wild sigil]

From what I've heard fort Knox still has lackluster cybersecurity that experts have been warning them about for years

[strong plover]

I wouldn’t be surprised

I know a large part of Air Force data scientists are using Ubuntu 18.04 on air gapped systems, no network access whatsoever. I asked why they hadn’t updated to a more recent Ubuntu, and he said that configuring all his little scripts for qt and matlab would be a huge pain, he’d have to rewrite some of them. And he said that the security of those systems wasn’t an issue, because in order to exploit known vulnerabilities on the old OS, you’d have to have physical access, in which case the government has bigger problems

[fallow belfry]

There's no gold left in fort Knox anyway

[strong plover]

[tight eagle]

I use Windows

[strong plover]

bruh

[fallow belfry]

Careful, don't tell him more than 96% of servers are linux based, even the ones hosting microsoft services

[strong plover]

It cracks me up tbh that they don’t use windows servers lol

[fallow belfry]

Hey, would you want to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to license your own product?

[strong plover]

I would just write a loophole in that let me use my own software for free xD but the Microsoft devs are too busy trying to keep compatibility with pre-2000 era standards that they don’t have time to write in a clause that lets them use it for free

||this is all satire lol||

[fallow belfry]

I would love to see them implement a loophole like that so we can see how long it takes the 🏴‍☠️ community to figure out

[strong plover]

It wouldn’t take long if I had to guess, they’re pretty quick and savage

(The 🏴‍☠️ community that is)

[fallow belfry]

If they're lucky it would take as long as it took to break Denuvo (about 6 months iirc) which they claimed was unbreakable

[strong plover]

I’m not familiar with that

[fallow belfry]

Ok, then what about the LHR "crack" that was actually just a version of the drivers they forgot to put the LHR into

[strong plover]

That. Would have to be embarrassing to nvidia

[fallow belfry]

It was very embarrassing. It only worked on the v1 3060 at least. It took about a year for a 95-99% unlock that worked on everything.

[strong plover]

Did their hardware limiter ever work? I didn’t follow mining much

[fallow belfry]

It did for a while

A little bit before the crypto crash total unlocks were released

[strong plover]

That’s good

(About the total unlocks I mean)

[dusk kernel]

The audio on my Fedora 37 (with KDE) system stopped working last week. Devices are not recognized. I don't know if it was caused by random installation or removal of a package, but that's possible. This is a dual-boot system and audio on Windows 10 is fine. I have Fedora 37 installed on a USB drive and that audio works fine when booting on the same hardware. So, the issue is the configuration of my Fedora 37 installation. I've compared the packages installed on the two Fedora 37 installations and don't see anything missing on the "broken" installation. I've tried a variety of things found via googling, but haven't made any progress.

Now that Fedora 38 is out, I wonder if there's a way I can update to 38 and over-write the audio-related config files? Or if all else fails, I guess I could just do a fresh installation, but I really don't want to re-tweak ALL the settings. Ugh.

Any suggestions on how to trouble-shoot the audio issue? Is there a way to restore the default audio settings as part of a version upgrade?

[strong plover]

I will preface this by saying that I am not familiar with fedora:

Would it work to make backup files of Kde settings, and backup your home folder etc, and then clean install and copy the backup files back?

Home folder not Joe folder lol

[dusk kernel]

I usually re-use my home folder when I do a fresh install, and also make a backup. Sometimes there are issues if the layout of the config file has changed, but that's not often.

I'd prefer to fix the audio issue then upgrade... but... it might be faster & simpler to just re-install.

[fallow belfry]

I keep /home on a separate partition, preferably a separate disk. Makes reinstalling easy if I bork it.

[dusk kernel]

Agreed. I've been putting /home on a separate partition for many years. 😁

[leaden rain]

Crazy question, since the Z690 Aorus Masters drivers are basically part of it's BIOS, is the motherboard able to run Linux? Was looking it up earlier, and realized the only thing I found was BS when the poster said their system had DDR 4 ram, and that MB is only DDR5 capable.

[strong plover]

I don’t know what you mean by “part of the bios”

[fallow belfry]

Literally everything can run Linux. I've seen it run on a tractor.

The only time a device can't is when it's explicitly blocked, like on phones with locked bootloaders, and there's often bypasses for that too.

[leaden rain]

I was curious since a few days ago, after my steam deck got an update, was copying files from my gaming system I built last year and had a quick power outage which resulted in my desktop partially booting up steam os before it locked up. Made me wonder if the steam deck os which is Linux, can run off my gaming system. The only thing that made me think it can't, was fact a lot of drivers are built into the application center, and though older models of this Aorus Master, had them on a DVD, the z690 they seem part of the bios itself.

I only started really looking at Linux since I got the deck.

I over the years with my Android phone modified games, like adding items and HP, but never actually got into any programming for Android.

Thanks for the input.

[leaden rain]

I own four non carrier bought Android phones. They were about $600 a pop after taxes. Plugged in the Sims from the older phones and a week later, my carrier using the Sims, locked the phones as if they owned them, and made them non rootable. Been rooting phones for years, and was first time ever that I found this to be even possible. It used to never be so in the past. Yeah, a locked bootloader with a security hole in past they patched out is one thing, these phones were not even theirs, and the forced updates bricked all 4.

Never got to root them either.

[fallow belfry]

If you didn't notify the carrier that you were changing the device the SIM cards were registered to, then they probably noticed the IMEI/SIM mismatch. That's common to stolen devices, where someone will change the IMEI number to avoid a buyer finding out it's stolen long enough to get away with the money.

[leaden rain]

It's Metro PCS aka T-Mobile. The accounts page has a sub page for each phone. Only way to use a new or used phone, is to update the IMEI, or the phone won't function at all.

Just swapping the sim won't work. Have to include the old and new IMEI. Not too bad a security system. Let's say I was one of those strict hover parents. I can't just go swapping my sim into my daughter's phone, and gain access to her personal info.

The last set of phones before this x100, was able to tell me two of the four phones got swapped. My son went to look at one while I was setting them up, and placed it out of order

[fallow belfry]

Exactly. SIM cloning is also a problem.

[leaden rain]

My kids got scammed asking me to give some lady an uber home last year. Soon as she tried to put her phone next to mine, realized what she was doing. She just by touching her phone to my son's, got his credit cards he saved. Had it not been for the fact I set my kids accounts up with no overdraft, and to transfer funds only at time of making a purchase, my son would have lost $60. Not even 6 hours later, got the text notification of the attempt.

[fallow belfry]

And that's why you leave NFC off until the minute you need it

[leaden rain]

Not sure if they got his Sim, but Metro changed it anyway. I didn't even know about NFC at time it happened. I only set the accounts up like this, in case my kids accidentally got tricked into a rebill.

[fallow belfry]

Smart move there

I like cards that you have to approve transactions before they go through personally

[leaden rain]

I have those as well, but rarely use them as we're saving up points to buy a few new AC window units, and prefer getting 5%, and rare occasions 10% on Amazon purchases. The high point cards, don't have individual sale approval options, so those, we keep locked at all times, until a purchase is made. As for the debit ones, which also have locks as well, besides just transferring over exact amount, so if places suddenly have a price increase, like let's say a $299 AC just so happens to jump to $599 day of shipping...Coughs Amazon.......not only does the sale decline, my bank takes those funds out immediately, and locks not just the account that got hit, but the 4 others associated with it. This way they can't go using a different card used at another time. The days of Amazon taking funds meant for a other purchase, are finally gone.

Brb, never thought to even look to see if Newegg even sold AC units

[fallow belfry]

There's few electronics you can't find on wegg https://www.newegg.com/amana-amap061bw-6-000-cooling-capacity/p/0FJ-0002-00048?Item=9SIA1CZBZH3282

The beauty of the marketplace

[leaden rain]

I did away with window units, about 8 years ago when we had that break in attempt where thief forced AC flap aside and tried reaching in to unlock my daughter's door to the outside. That's when Snowy leaped off top bunk, attacked the arm, and got a fractured hip. Wow, feels like yesterday. Got rid of window units and went central AC, except now we're starting to get heat waves, and the $4k unit Amazon installed, has a bad compressor, and company that made it, is no longer in business, so got to get window units, until Amazon figures out what they are going to do.

We're talking four 12,000 BTU and 15,000 BTU 115v units. Can't do 220v, as breaker boxes can't handle a 220v breaker.

To run a dual 220v line.

[fallow belfry]

So you'd be going for more of a in-wall unit than a window unit?

[leaden rain]

Going window again.

[fallow belfry]

Ah right I didn't read that far

lol

[leaden rain]

Rofl.

I haven't served a Subpoena since 2019, that last month when I did a small claims, the judge took one look at the cases, pulls mine out of the stack, and says out lound on record (I can see xan is back. Only plaintiff I know, that can turn a five page small claims submission, to a 40+ page) well not xan, my real name, but yes, I have the same reputation in court that I do online, for typing just a tad a bit more than necessary;)

I better jump to #general-chat . Another bad habit of mine.

[fallow belfry]

Eh, Linux channel doesn't get looked at very often anyway

But smart move

[dusk kernel]

I got lucky and upgrading to Fedora 38 fixed my audio configuration issue. Whew! If that hadn't worked, the next option was to do a semi-fresh install. 😁

[strong plover]

Good to hear!

[pale junco]

Got a new drive so planning on installing linux and using dual boot-say my C drive has windows and a few games, if I put linux on my D drive will I still be able to access any windows files/games I have there or will it like "overwrite" them?

[pale junco]

I got it all working. Linux is complicated AF though lol

No clue how to do anything so I'm just watching tutorials

[teal cape]

does anyone know how to fix local files on spotify for linux? they show up but are grayed out and i can't play them

[fallow belfry]

Android has the same problem I can't help nyooooom

No but really check permissions and make sure the group spotify belongs to has full access

[teal cape]

i set permissions to 777

local files work fine for me on android

[fallow belfry]

Well they never did for me so I stopped trying

Maybe they fixed it in the last couple years

[teal cape]

unlucky

i can play the files perfectly fine with VLC

just not spotify

rebooted into windows and local files work fine in spotify

ahh i figured it out

there's an optional dependency required for local files to work

sweet, local file playback works now

[teal cape]

install ffmpeg4.4

idk if you use linux but

there's the fix

[fallow belfry]

I do linux but not with spotify

[teal cape]

well, anyways now you know

[fallow belfry]

Noted, thanks

[teal cape]

i'm having more fun with my linux install than i ever expected to

just got support for chinese and japanese working on it

[fallow belfry]

If you like to tinker I'm not surprised, it's super customizable

[teal cape]

I'm probably barely scratching the surface of that

but I've gotten it to the point where it's more comfortable to do work on linux than windows

[strong plover]

Do you speak Chinese or Japanese? Or was it just a test

[teal cape]

i speak chinese, listen to music in both languages

a lot of my spotify titles were missing lol

it's amusing typing chinese/japanese characters into command line

[strong plover]

Can you actually run commands in Chinese?

Like, is there command translations for common commands or do they just use the english alphabet still

[maiden pine]

Thank you Manjaro, very cool.

(PC fell asleep mid-update

[brave isle]

Manjaro is pretty yikes

[maiden pine]

I use OpenSUSE for all my other computers now... This is just my HTPC so I really haven't bothered switching it over. And the OpenSUSE update process is janky as well.

[teal cape]

not sure, i used chinese/japanese characters in options for chmod though lol

[strong plover]

That’s pretty cool. I have always wondered how that works for say, people in China. I’m sure they’re using Linux too

[teal cape]

well there's a whole chinese arch wiki

I'd imagine commands are still in english though

like, chinese coders are still using the same programming languages, not like keywords are all translated to chinese

not like commands like "grep" make too much sense to us english speakers either, it's all the same "google how to do this until you remember how to do this"

...speaking of grep

I wonder how regex works with chinese characters lol

[wild sigil]

Id like to see code in Chinese lmao

[teal cape]

comments might be in chinese but the actual code won't look very different

[wild sigil]

Ooh yeah okay

That's fair

You know what

[teal cape]

LOL

it's still using the english keywords though

just all the names are in hebrew

[mortal totem]

Why the hell would anyone do that to themself

[teal cape]

i did it

[mortal totem]

pain

Though i guess it’s one way to brush up on a language

[teal cape]

i love that it just works with absolutely no complaints

[abstract wigeon]

What in the

[teal cape]

don't hate on my code

can you tell what it's supposed to do LOL

[abstract wigeon]

It's so hard to read

Okay so, create an array with no duplicate numbers and print em?

[teal cape]

take a string and output the longest substring with no repeated characters

honestly you were pretty close given what you had to attempt to read LOL

[abstract wigeon]

Ah well close enough i didn't know what datatype it is

Especially since python gives 0 clues

[teal cape]

i mean.. it's python

python doesn't know either

[abstract wigeon]

Lol true

[teal cape]

one of the students i tutor had this as homework

so i wrote out a solution to it so i'd be able to guide him better

[abstract wigeon]

Do you not teach them to make breaks in their code ever jesus it's hard to read smh

[teal cape]

i mean i'm not showing him this

it's just something i grinded out in 2 minutes to guide my instruction

[abstract wigeon]

But like for you not make breaks while coding? I can't not

Fair fair

[teal cape]

meh, it's a simple enough program

you could put line breaks after line 7 and 15 i guess

[abstract wigeon]

So whats with the Japanese?

[teal cape]

chinese