linux-and-android

[strong plover]

[dusk kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-secret-chris-pratt-silence-dont-say-gif-17543341

[strong plover]

No please

[shrewd sphinx]

I’m trying to install Zorin OS and it’s been stuck like this for 30 minutes is that normal?

[strong plover]

If you’ve hit continue already, I wouldn’t worry about it

Especially if you’re installing on a hard drive.

It also depends on internet speed

[shrewd sphinx]

i waited like an hour and it didnt work i switched over to kubuntu

[strong plover]

and did it work faster then?

[shrewd sphinx]

yep, took only a few minutes

and now i want to go back to windows

[strong plover]

nooo

stick it out, try it for a few days

[shrewd sphinx]

ehh im on only using it for some bioinformatics work im doing, but ill keep and open mind : )

[strong plover]

good

[dusk kernel]

Why not setup a dual boot system? Or... run Linux from a USB drive? 😁

[shrewd sphinx]

yeah thats what i did but i need a lot of storage for it, so once done ill prolly remove it and partition back to windows

[strong plover]

Does anyone have any suggestions for self hosted photo management software? needs to be able to run in docker.

I know a lot of them, but I dont really know which ones are better than others

[dusk kernel]

These two...
https://medevel.com/os-photo-collection-self-hosted/
https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/hb5ch0/photo_management_system/
... recommend PhotoPrism...
https://photoprism.app/

[EDIT] adding Docker info for PhotoPrism:
https://docs.photoprism.app/getting-started/docker-compose/#__tabbed_1_1

[strong plover]

Thanks!

[blazing bridge]

Yo, I am currently building a pc (parts are on the way), and i wanted to use linux as the operating system. After doing some research it looks like Pop!_OS might be a good option. Would this be a good distro choice ?as I am mainly going to be gaming and programming

[tender ivy]

I've seen popos recommended for a good out of the box Linux gaming os.

[blazing bridge]

Awesome, is there any way to tell whats compatible and such? Like are all games and launchers like epic games, steam, riot games, are they all compatible with any OS like pop?

[tender ivy]

@blazing bridge check this out.

Feel free to read the convo as I pretty well had same questions.

[blazing bridge]

Awesome, I will definitely do that, thank you so much

[tender ivy]

Thank @frank steeple

[blazing bridge]

Sincerest thank you to Bob, the OG linux guy that I have enjoyed reading his posts and threads since I joined this server since years ago Truly a treasure to all

[strong plover]

PopOS is okay, but if you want to dual boot it with windows, it requires you to do it manually, and it requires a very big efi partition

[kind panther]

PopOS

my mortal enemy

[dusk kernel]

IIRC, Epic hates Linux, so don't expect the Epic launcher or any games you have on Epic, to run on Linux. Steam is MUCH better on Linux.

[blazing bridge]

Should I look into any other Linux distros instead of popOS? This will be my first time using Linux so any help is much much appreciated

[abstract wigeon]

I liked mint

[strong plover]

I honestly like kubuntu

[fallow belfry]

If you have a Nvidia GPU Pop is a good choice because they have the package that includes the official drivers. Other distros you might have issues until you install the drivers.

[strong plover]

Yeah. Some people have trouble with drivers. I personally haven’t though

[blazing bridge]

Gotcha, I’ll be using a rtx 3080, I was reading how pop is good with nvidia graphics and how they offer the hybrid graphics and such

[strong plover]

You can always try different distros if you want to see what works best for you

[dusk kernel]

Keep in mind that one big difference between Linux and Windows is that with Linux, the Operating System and Desktop Environment (a.k.a. the Graphical User Interface, or GUI) are separate things. That allows you to do fun stuff, e.g. install PopOS with its default DE (Gnome?), but also install other DE's like KDE, XFCE, etc. The DE is where you'll see the most differences and will have the most personal preferences.

[strong plover]

Yes. Changing DEs is very funny

[tender ivy]

If I'm reading this right.. (just as example) I could have windows 11 OS, but make it look like windows xp?

[fallow belfry]

More like you can make Linux look like XP

[tender ivy]

Right. I was just using windows as an example. Just wanted to make sure I was understanding what was being said.

[fallow belfry]

There's probably a theme and custom task bar etc for windows 11 but it's a much bigger pain than just sudo apt install xp-de

[strong plover]

Yeah. Linux its pretty easy to add a DE

[dusk kernel]

I doubt that's possible in Windows, but I don't know as I've never tried to do that sort of thing in Windows. That's why I pointed that out as a difference between Linux and Windows.

A better example would be... you can install Fedora or Ubuntu, both of which use Gnome as their default DE, but you can use KDE as your DE instead.

[tender ivy]

I was using windows as the example OS because I have no clue what the Linux distros you are mentioning look/feel like.

So just imagine that windows is Linux based (lol) in my example lol

[dusk kernel]

Aaaaahhh... gotcha. No worries. :-D

"What a DE looks like" is WILDLY variable because so many details can be tweaked by the user. I've always felt that default Gnome looks a little more like [name of whatever OS is used on Mac stuff] and default KDE looks a little more like Windows. But that's a sweeping generalization and may or may not be accurate anymore.

There are probably images of the default DE on the web site of each distro. Fedora defaults to Gnome...
https://release.gnome.org/42/
... but you can get several other DE's....
https://spins.fedoraproject.org/

[strong plover]

i personally think that KDE looks more like windows, but combines the good features from macOS with it. for instance, Krunner.

[brisk sable]

you can.

[strong plover]

https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/31/linux_5_19/

[strong plover]

"I started Linux as a desktop operating system. And it's the only area where Linux hasn't completely taken over. That just annoys the hell out of me." ~ Linus Torvalds

[kind panther]

My favourite Linus quote - "frick you nvidia"

short, simple and to the point

[strong plover]

And the middle finger. Yes.

I’m reading through all these right now. There’s so much gold.

https://www.azquotes.com/author/14737-Linus_Torvalds?p=2

"To be a nemesis, you have to actively try to destroy something, don't you? Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect." ~ Linus Torvalds

"Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have never seen an angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100mph. They'd be a lot more careful about what they say if they had." ~ Linus Torvalds

"I do get my pizzas paid for by Linux indirectly." ~ Linus Torvalds

"So I've decided to be a very rich and famous person who doesn't really care about money, and who is very humble but who still makes a lot of money and is very famous, but is very humble and rich and famous." ~ Linus Torvalds

These are too good.

[kind panther]

unsend

nsfw word

[strong plover]

I am sorry

He wrong on this one.

"I don't doubt at all that virtualization is useful in some areas. What I doubt rather strongly is that it will ever have the kind of impact that the people involved in virtualization want it to have." ~ Linus Torvalds

[fallow belfry]

A very Linus thing

[strong plover]

Linus is pretty nsfw I’m finding

[tacit osprey]

wads

hello

[dusk kernel]

Life is NSFW... why should Linus be any less so? [chuckle]

[strong plover]

Linus hilarious though

I wanna read his book about his life

[strong plover]

I have a question, maybe y’all know.
When I’m in a terminal, I can quickly use cd .. to go up a directory. Is there a way to move say, 3 back up? All in one command? (Without typing the full path)

[fallow belfry]

.. && ..

Double ampersand should allow multiple commands on one line

[strong plover]

Ok. I will try that when I’m home

I assumed that after the double ampersand, I’d have to type cd again before the second ..

[fallow belfry]

Oh you would, that was a placeholder example

[strong plover]

Ah makes sense

[fallow belfry]

So to go up 3 steps
cd .. && cd .. && cd ..

[strong plover]

Hahaha thanks

[frank steeple]

You could also do cd ../.. and cd ../../..

[kind panther]

https://github.com/NayamAmarshe/gameready

Looks handy

[strong plover]

that does look handy! and very customizable if someone wanted to add specific things by themselves

[tender ivy]

I watched the linked video. Makes me wanna try out linux

[dusk kernel]

About half-way through the video I realized that they installed WINE and winetricks by copy/pasting commands. WTF? Both of those should be available in the OS repository and easily installable via the default package manager. I hope there was some good reason for making that seem way more complicated than it needed to be. And yeah... I could easily have missed the reason for doing it that way. 😁

[pastel sail]

Cant get Bluegiga Technologies BLED112 Bluetooth 4.0 Single Mode Dongle to work on my raspberry pi 4b running Ubuntu 22.04
when using rfkill
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 2458:0001 Bluegiga Technologies BLED112 Bluetooth 4.0 Single Mode Dongle

dont know how to enable it instead of integrated bluetooth

[tender ivy]

They might have done it that way so there was no confusion on what to get etc. By copy pasting the code you get exactly what the video is showing you to get.

As well as that may just be how she likes to do her stuff.

[frank steeple]

Wine should be in the default repository, it's just not guaranteed to be the most up to date version. If you add the third party repo from wine hq you'll always have the most recent patches

[strong plover]

I use wine staging because I’m impatient

And that’s from the wine repo

[dusk kernel]

I don't use WINE on the one Ubuntu system I have, but WINE is in the Fedora repository and that's good enough for me.

[fallow belfry]

You already posted this lol

It's still true ofc but...

[old ginkgo]

Does anyone know how to get a pcie wifi card to work on ubuntu linux 20.04? The wifi card is a Ubit-AX3000E and worked on ubuntu 22.04 before I had to reinstall my linux operating system. (The os SSD went bad and was made in 2012.)
Anyone know what to do in this situation? I have a drivers disc that has a windows 10/11 driver on the disc, but no linux driver on the disc.

[sleek halo]

Look up the driver on Google.

@old ginkgo Could you run lspci -nn | grep 0280.

This will tell us more information about the card.

[dusk kernel]

Soooo... several months ago I saved a couple of old Dell "all in one" units from the trash. They're basically a touch screen monitor with a laptop built into the backside. Random features....
CPU - AMD A8-7410 with Radeon R5 graphics
2/5" HDD - replaced with a random 120GB SSD
7GB of RAM (yes, that's what it says in /proc/meminfo )
24" touch screen, Webcam, Bluetooth, DVD drive, USB3

Both units had Win10 installed and were sloooooowww. I have installed Fedora 36 on one and it's actually usable enough that I'm running Discord within Firefox to type this.

The problem is... what should I use these for? LOL

EDIT - I have no intention of using one for a Minecraft server. [chuckle]

[strong plover]

I actually forgot. I am sorry. Please don't ban me for spamming the same meme.

[strong plover]

make a home NAS server and run openmediavault

[dusk kernel]

A NAS server with a 24" screen? Um... prolly not. 😁

[strong plover]

Hey why not

Debugging will be easy

[dusk kernel]

Well... I already have a 2TB SSD connected to the router, so a NAS would be overkill. Plus, I'd rather use a Raspberry Pi for that. 😁

[old ginkgo]

@sleek halo I ran the command lspci -nn and I think found the pcie wifi card. So far it says 08:00.0 Network controller [0820]: MEDIATEK Corp. Device [14c3:0608]
This is all I could find on the card.

[strong plover]

You could self host things. I do and it’s pretty awesome

Have you heard of nextcloud?

[dusk kernel]

I have 5-6 other boxes I'd do server/hosting stuff with before I'd use this thing. Just so you have a better idea what this is, here's the Dell support page:
https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/servicetag/0-aUVTRThLSEw0bVU4QkxYYXJpM1RoUT090/overview

[dawn widget]

Does anyone else have stability issues on fedora or is it just me and I'm stupid

I've used it 3 times and each time I've managed to first have it get ungodly slow on quite beefy systems and then break

[dusk kernel]

I don't recall ever having what I'd call "stability issues."

[mortal totem]

Stock fedora gets frequent updates and can be a bit unstable

You could try a enterprise release of/based on fedora

[dawn widget]

If I find a reason to delve away from debian I might give enterprise a try

[finite cargo]

How can I make sure a systemd user service is always running?

[apm@apc ~]$ systemctl --user status sunshine.service 
○ sunshine.service - Sunshine Gamestream Server for Moonlight
     Loaded: loaded (/home/apm/.config/systemd/user/sunshine.service; enabled; preset: enabled)
     Active: inactive (dead)```

[Unit]
Description=Sunshine Gamestream Server for Moonlight

[Service]
ExecStart=/usr/bin/sunshine /home/apm/.config/sunshine.conf
Restart=always
Type=simple

[Install]
WantedBy=default.target```

This service should restart when it crashes, right?

But whenever I need to use it, it's inactive (dead). I have to run systemctl --user start sunshine.service to start it again until next time it "dies"

[dusk kernel]

https://learn.adafruit.com/what-is-linux

[kind panther]

Today I found the htop command

[dusk kernel]

https://www.makeuseof.com/fun-linux-command-line-programs/

[fallow belfry]

My personal favorite is apt moo, it changes the output based on verbosity

[strong plover]

Good for you

[kind panther]

it is cool

[strong plover]

I want to try FIGlet and cowsay

[dusk kernel]

https://www.techlila.com/linux-easter-eggs-terminal-tricks/

Continuing with the randomness... what are your fave Linux utilities that you always install first after you install the OS? Mine are:
Yakuake - a drop-down terminal emulator
https://apps.kde.org/yakuake/

Gkrellm - a single process stack of system monitors (also available for Windows)
http://gkrellm.srcbox.net/

[mortal totem]

Gotta have neofetch

[dusk kernel]

LOL

It would be cool if neofetch could generate a .png like Crystal Disk Mark does.

[strong plover]

Ookla Speedtest

And neofetch of course

[dusk kernel]

I usually use the web browser version of Speedtest, but just installed the CLI version of Speedtest.

[strong plover]

I like the official cli version so much better.

Their repo is broken or something, downloading isn’t easy. But it’s better than the apt one

[fallow belfry]

The browser version of speedtest is speed limited and adds a little latency

What the limit is varies by browser iirc

[strong plover]

Yeah. The cli version is pretty stable for me

[strong plover]

@brave isle hello my friend

[brave isle]

Bonjour

[strong plover]

[kind panther]

Bone jaw?

[strong plover]

@kind panther this is Dante, @brave isle , this is Risen (formerly Rawr)

[kind panther]

Who is dante

Also

Hi dante

[strong plover]

He’s from the homelab discord

Proxmox guy

[brave isle]

Lol yeah- and Bonjour is French for hello XD

[brave isle]

Too flattering, I'm just used to Proxmox as my OS for my homelab XD

[fallow belfry]

We only speak 'murican here

[strong plover]

Si

[brave isle]

Well considerinh Puerto Rico is american I can speak Spanish, then XD

[strong plover]

gottem

[brave isle]

And considering America is a continent then all of the languages in America can be spoketh XD

[fallow belfry]

They're a territory so it's a stretch, but true

[brave isle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Such a demeaning label smh

Oh well

XD

[fallow belfry]

Sad but true

They should've been the 51st state ages ago

[brave isle]

Ehhh

I would say I'm against it but wered F'd either way

We're currently safe as we are, but we're still under heavy losses anyways

[strong plover]

We would have had to redo the flag again, and that’s too much work.

Kidding….

[fallow belfry]

I'm convinced that's exactly why so many are against it

[brave isle]

We go solo we die off, we join you we take on a lot of law and responsibilities that we cant entirely deal with with our current infrastructure and our daily life. After all, most in the island are elderly and cant accomodate to the changes

[fallow belfry]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

[brave isle]

And thats coming from a 19Yo who's just recently taken a look at our situation XD

[brave isle]

Basically. Very thin rope we walk across

So, any of yall got any tech education under your belts?

[strong plover]

@brave isle I am still a highschooler, so I don’t have college level IT education yet. But I would consider myself sort of experienced in some things xD (Linux, and networking especially)

[fallow belfry]

Yeah I've got a networking degree

[brave isle]

Well that's not too bad. After all, in tech experience is king sometimes

And certs

[strong plover]

I am going to get college level education when I graduate next spring

[brave isle]

Nice! Currently working on my IT, Networking, and Cybersec bachelor

Was planning on getting the A+ cert before it changed in October-ish but I think imma have to stick to ITF+

[fallow belfry]

Not bad at all. There's some great fields to get into that are only going to get bigger there.

[brave isle]

Indeed, I plan to get heavy into sysadmin, networking, and cloud. Still dunno what imma specialize in since im just finishing my first year

Im loving networking a bit. At least logical networking in Cisco Packet Tracer

But I definitely love what I get to do with managing my homelab in Proxmox and Windows.

[fallow belfry]

You know, it's really sad that I haven't touched a Cisco product since I got my CCNA

[brave isle]

Is a CCNA really that powerful as I hear around forums?

Also, only Cisco product I've touched is the CPT software XD

[fallow belfry]

It's pretty difficult to get, and is a good way to show off proficiency

[strong plover]

I had considered just getting certs and start working at 20, but I talked to some sysadmins and high up IT people I know. They recommended the four year degree, because of the other classes that deal with business and management. With that, I’ll be able to be in charge of people rather than just lower worker

[brave isle]

Indeed ive heard. My professor tells me that 1, you get no aid like autocomplete commands, and 2, you get a heavy exam with lots of hands on labs

[brave isle]

yeah, starting with a degree and a cert is kind of the way to go if you dont wanna be tier 1 help desk for like- 5 years...unless you get lucky

(was it tier 1? I forgot the tier structure XD)

[fallow belfry]

VLAN tagging was always the bane of my existence

[brave isle]

I took a single look at it and barely understood it. XD

I do love the idea of VLANs in a homelab environment and SOHO though

[strong plover]

The degree I’m aiming for (computer infrastructure and network engineering technology) has a couple certs built in to the classes

[brave isle]

What a title XD

Net Engineering is like- Pretty but too far for me rn XD

[strong plover]

It was two majors that the college combined two years ago lol

[ripe knot]

DanteTC#4929 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[brave isle]

Woops- Forgot about no swearsies ^^"

[strong plover]

There’s all sorts of fun classes- cluster computing, Unix administration, introduction to Linux, etc

[brave isle]

Like one of my friends described me, "He eats, breathes, and lives technology"

[strong plover]

It’s a good thing

[brave isle]

I dont think I need Intro to Linux anymore to be honest. I've done basically everything I think I would get on a course like that. Ofc the underlying knowledge is sometimes better than experience but the experience shows for itself

And all of my services are indeed running on linux iirc

[strong plover]

I’ve been daily driving Linux for awhile now

[brave isle]

Yup, Pi-hole, plex, MC servers, my website is turnkey linux, and my reverse proxy alongside Vaultwarden and whatnot

[strong plover]

I’m past the basic Linux one

[brave isle]

I dont daily drive linux as I do have lots of Windows apps I need, but my infrastructure is built on linux

Most of it is Ubunto, but I use debian as well

I did love using manjaro for a while as a dual-boot though

[strong plover]

For my server, I like using docker containers maintained my LinuxServer.io. And they have an absolutely wonderful reverse proxy container called SWAG. it’s amazing and makes stuff easy, even though it’s technically cli

[strong plover]

What windows apps?

[brave isle]

For starters having native android app support is huge for me, but I also have some one off apps and the Windows driver for my card for ease of use

Cisco Packet tracer was also a requirement for my course and I think it was windows only

[strong plover]

Ah. Yeah I want to figure out how to do android apps on Linux

[brave isle]

I imagine its just a hypervisor for Android apps, no?

[strong plover]

For windows programs, I use Fmstrat/WinApps.

[brave isle]

Ah. I never got around to Windows apps on linux- Even with Lutris I had multiple noob problems

Tbf, im more used to the CLI than the GUI

[strong plover]

So winapps is just a highly optimized and integrated VM

So there’s never been any issues, other that slightly reduced performance because of Vm

[brave isle]

Sounds very interesting

Def have to put that in the bookmarks for later

Maybe once I get my E5-2690 I could spin up my Manjaro VM in proxmox and do some looking around and experimenting

[strong plover]

It was the only thing that made me be able to use Microsoft word reliably on Linux for college classes this summer

[brave isle]

That was another big one XD I hate using the webapps for MS 365

[strong plover]

They’re junk, the web apps

Now I have my openmediavault instance with a collabora container that I’ll write my papers in lol

[brave isle]

Theyre okay but only when you need something simple done. When you need to like- make a chart in Word? Good luck, m8 XD

[strong plover]

It might be hard in a vm, because you’d be doing a vm inside a vm lol

[brave isle]

Not like I am gonna do much inside a VM except testing anyways ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong plover]

True

[brave isle]

As it stands I still have to do a lot of rebuilding for my services

I put a lot of em to the hatchet since I needed to get some resources back to be able to move to the new system

So when I started it back up all I was able to recover was my dDNS, my website, Plex, and Pi-Hole

I still need to get Bookstack, Home assistant, Heimdall, Wekan, and maybe try out observium and see what that;s about

Of course, setting all the rules for them and the network nightmare its gonna be is also a pain XD

Like- Idk if Im gonna have multiple VMs or just one consolidated VM with portainer or some Docker manager

Or if it would be better to run it on Ubuntu or Debian for making it as lightweight as possible

I still dunno whoch is more lightweight theoretically

[strong plover]

I’m guessing a single instance of debian or Ubuntu, and using docker, would be the lightest

And honestly, openmediavault makes debian easy if it’s a server

[strong plover]

Heimdall is my nemesis. It would never work right for me. And it’s not just me, lots of other people too

[brave isle]

Its worked perfectly for me tbh

Only problem Ive had is load times, but that is easily explained by the lack of horsepower from my previous system

Ive heard of Homer too so I might do both and try em out against each other

[strong plover]

Yeah, I imagine that proxmox needs more system resources because of all the virtualization

[brave isle]

Not really. Its based on debian and its hella lighter than ESXi

[strong plover]

Try dashy. It’s a little confusing to set up, but it’s super customizable and fun to use

[strong plover]

Interesting

[brave isle]

My current usage with my services idle. Going, but idle

Storage IO delay

Mostly cuz they are mostly HDDs

[brave isle]

Sounds interesting then, Definitely adding it to the list then

[strong plover]

Not bad at all

[brave isle]

Lemme get a better shot of all the info-

"Server load" is a lot less impactful as "CPU load" and "IO delay" in my experience

Tho its also a metric to keep in mind

Htop

Honestly finding Proxmox to be a great, open source platform. Even if it is my first and only experience, that is.

[strong plover]

Looks like you’re not doing a lot of ram-heavy stuff

[brave isle]

I mean as it is right now theres not much going on

Once I do start running my MC servers (Currently fighting with a mod that wont play nicely and let my poor service start) It will probably be pegged at like 8GB minimum

[strong plover]

Mc servers are fun

[brave isle]

Indeed they are, until its time to howt your own for your friends and it decides to break when placed in a server setting and not a client setting X"D

[strong plover]

Were you running it in docker?

[brave isle]

Yeah, using the iztg/minecraft-server:latest image

Maybe I should run it on Ubuntu to check its not some weird thing with debian

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong plover]

Nice

Hmm. Usually the OS wouldn’t mess it up. But maybe it is a wacky debian thing

[brave isle]

After all, It is Java being Java. And Java version has always been...full of craters.

[strong plover]

Java minecraft is so much better than bedrock

[brave isle]

Only because MS kinda dropped the ball many times. Before bedrock Tidal Updates were ok, then Bedrock came and was ok

Theeeen MS did a MS and pulled an "I got money, lemme buy this and see what I can do better"

[strong plover]

C++ is just not a game engine, it’s so poorly optimized for good hardware (in my experience). It also has a lot of lag on input from the keyboard

[brave isle]

I mean- it sure has uses in gaming but making a game engine from scratch to do what Java did natively is not good at all

[strong plover]

Exactly

[brave isle]

Sure, theyve done amazing with what they got. Props to the devs

But MS did a MS

[strong plover]

As MS does….

[brave isle]

Anyways, about time I went to sleep. Laters, m8

[strong plover]

Same, I need to go to bed lol

Good talking to you! Gnight

[kind panther]

I speak french lol

i make joke because bonjour sounds like bone jaw

[dusk kernel]

[cough-cough-ubuntu-is-for-sheeple-cough-cough]
Nah, I'm totally joking. Welcome to #linux-and-android, a.k.a. "Tuxville"!

[strong plover]

Dude don’t you use Ubuntu?

Or wait no, fedora

[dusk kernel]

Fedora is my daily. I do have a system with Ubuntu Stufio, but I rarely power it on and when I do it's because I'm trying to transition to the Fedora "Jam" spin.

oh good grief, now what?
"Failed to open a session for the virtual machine Win10."

[strong plover]

How is the latency and stuff for fedora jam?

Compared to Ubuntu studio

[dusk kernel]

I feel like Ubuntu was a little better, but... it's been a couple of months since I messed with it.

[dusk kernel]

Well geez... I just learned that not updating the Extensions Pack can prevent the VM from booting. 🤦‍♂️

[strong plover]

Ugh

Did you have to reinstall or just update extension pack

[dusk kernel]

I updated the extension pack... which I thought had to be done via a running VM, but apparently not. [chuckle]
In Dolphin (KDE file mgr.), I only needed to right click and "Open with Oracle VM Virtualbox" and install.

[fallow belfry]

The only part of the extensions pack that needs to be done inside the OS is the guest additions CD for drivers

And that's mostly optional

[dusk kernel]

Gotcha. It's been a hot minute since I messed with it, so I was probably confusing the Guest Additions CD with the Extensions Pack.

[strong plover]

Hello, my Linux people. Anything cool I should do in spare time with Linux softwares?

[sleek halo]

Uninstall your bootloader.

[strong plover]

Well, I can

I’m allowed to anyways.

[frank steeple]

Uninstall your bootloader.... but still be able to boot

[strong plover]

Ooh, challenge initiated

[dusk kernel]

Boot from a USB drive or CD?

[frank steeple]

Those usually use grub

[fallow belfry]

It can be done https://tecporto.pt/wiki/index.php/Booting_the_Linux_Kernel_without_a_bootloader#:~:text=Since version 3.3.,need to make some diagnostics.

[mortal totem]

Good now do it

[fallow belfry]

But I don't wanna reinstall Linux
And I'm dual booting so I do actually need the bootloader. Windows isn't so refined as Linux.

[dusk kernel]

Hi-5 for #TeamDualBoot

[strong plover]

yeahh i need the bootloader too cause of windows

but the only thing ive used windows for in months, is minecraft bedrock a few times

[strong plover]

For a research paper i'm writing: should all software be open source?

[shrewd sphinx]

yes yes yes yes yes

[fallow belfry]

Not all, but most consumer software should be. It doesn't have to be under GPL license, they can restrict usage of their code while still allowing people to see it.

Certain things, especially some types of security software, can be closed source for protection.

[mortal totem]

^

[frank steeple]

Another point that gets missed a lot: proprietary/closed source software can still be vetted for security or privacy. It's a little more complicated than with open source, but definitely possible

[mortal totem]

ok how do I make this bigger

[strong plover]

Can’t tell what that’s from, but gparted would be my first suggestion

[mortal totem]

Its a ubuntu vm on proxmox, that screenshot is not from proxmox. Storage is full but the drive has 100gb of space just didnt know how to extend it

[pure crane]

Is it possible to create a portable Ubuntu install?

Something that doesn't require a bootloader. Such as with the CD installer, which I can boot into without requiring a bootloader

[sleek halo]

Its possible to install Ubuntu onto a USB drive or a external hard drive, but you need a bootloader, the bootloader should be installed to the USB drive or the external hard drive automatically anyways.

[brave isle]

you could always use a distro designed for such

antix

knoppix

[pure crane]

Didn't know you could install a bootloader on a USB drive

I like to put Ubuntu on a USB drive, but the problem was I had to keep installing it to a computer over and over to get the bootloader in the BIOS

because if I simply plugged it into any random PC it wouldn't work

[fallow belfry]

Do a custom install and create 2 partitions. Make the first 500mb and tell the installer to use it as /efi and the second partition can take the rest of the disk, assigned to root /

[strong plover]

[dusk kernel]

I usually install to the USB drive just like I would to a regular drive. It's not required, but I often disconnect the internal drive to make it less confusing when looking at the drive choices in the installer.

[pure crane]

i've been doing my original method for several years, thanks

now I don't have to leave behind a bootloader on the PC's bios once I'm finished

[dusk kernel]

Why didn't someone tell me about Ventoy before now? Now I can combine ISO's on a larger USB drive and stop looking for small (4-8GB) drives. Woo hoo! 😁

[pure crane]

Don't know what Ventoy is but...good for you I guess?

[dusk kernel]

https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html

[pure crane]

oh that? pretty sure there's been stuff like that around

I use a completely different tool but they all work the same iirc

[strong plover]

It is so amazing. I have a full 64gb flash drive of isos :)

[fallow belfry]

I used to use YUMI but Ventoy is way more convenient

Whatever witchcraft they used to get raw ISOs to boot I'm glad they did

[dusk kernel]

I have a 500GB SSD in a USB enclosure... that might end up being where my ISO's get stored. 😁

[pure crane]

Yeah no, it didn't really work

oops ping

Created an EFI partition, and created an ext4 partition

The bootloader was only installed on the computer I used to install Ubuntu on my thumb drive

[fallow belfry]

If the installer got confused still then there's always the option of removing all the other drives before installing

[pure crane]

So...I hope this is correct

This is on /dev/sdb. One partition is efi and has 500 MB, the other is ext4 and takes up the rest of my drive
Same thing I did last time but it didn't work last time. I'm just wondering if it will work.

[fallow belfry]

Look where it says "device for boot loader installation", change that to /dev/sdb

[pure crane]

Not /dev/sdb1? assumed that was where I should install it

you seem to know more about linux than I do so I'm just going with what you're saying

[pure crane]

turns out it didn't really work

it always starts up in emergency mode, can't boot into the OS

[fallow belfry]

You're selecting the USB drive as the boot device right?

[pure crane]

Yes

Boots up fine, lets me pick between Windows and Ubuntu

but when I try booting into Ubuntu it goes into emergency mode

[brave isle]

not so daily reminder to switch to Gentoo

that is all

[strong plover]

What are the benefits to gentoo

[frank steeple]

None

[dusk kernel]

When someone tries to act all arrogant and says "I use Arch, by the way." You can reply, "Oh, how cute. I use Gentoo."

[frank steeple]

Meanwhile

[strong plover]

I am teasing

Becsuse I can’t find any benefits to gentoo

[frank steeple]

If your heat is broken in the winter you can warm up the room by doing a system update

[strong plover]

I could also compile literally anything on any distro with my super old “workstation” laptop

[strong plover]

Ubuntu repos down?

[brave isle]

I mean sure but

well my original message was a joke and I forgot to check here

but just because you can compile on any distro doesn't make it as efficient to do as it is on a source based one (not just Gentoo)

[strong plover]

I was talking about heating up my room

[brave isle]

oh mb

[strong plover]

lol you’re good

[brave isle]

none really, I like using it on crappier hw to gain that extra mile

[strong plover]

So it does perform better? Or no

[brave isle]

I'd say so yeah

it's just heavily optimizing the environment

Basically in the same way chrome os is but

not chrome os 💀

there's genuine benefits but I'm not the right person to ask 😭, for me personally since i plan to make my own distro it's def a lot easier to do something like that with a source based distro

[frank steeple]

Yeah, but source based package management sucks on old hardware if you don't have a build server set up

[brave isle]

I mean

just make sure it's not a device you need to use regularly

if it is don't do big builds when you need it

the laptop I use for school runs Gentoo currently and it's fine

obviously I wouldn't emerge world right before class that'd be silly

[frank steeple]

I like my computer to be usable while I'm updating and those updates not to take hours, that's one of the main reasons I use Linux over windows

[brave isle]

yeah

you can do that

change portages niceness level

for the use it while it's updating part

for the updates not to take hours, if you have good hardware it won't, but even then it might not

not everytime you emerge world do you have to compile big packages

it's just if they have updates, you change use flags, or if you haven't emerged in a while

which updates could take like an hour on any rolling distro if you haven't updated in a month

the way I do it I just emerge on weekends and usually the emerges aren't that big

and don't take that long, on my sub par laptop hardware

[frank steeple]

Or I could just use a binary distro that's already optimized for low resource environments and blazing fast updates

Alpine is really good for that sort of thing

[brave isle]

Okay, and alpine has its own slu of issues being Musl and busybox

[frank steeple]

Minimal

You can install glibc

Or just use containerization like it was designed to

[brave isle]

it can't be denied for what it is, chrome os runs good on the hardware it's designed for

that's cause packages are specifically built and designed for that hardware I feel, at least partially 🤷🏾‍♀️, it being web based is obviously also another thing

obviously source based isn't for everyone but I feel it can work for some

[brave isle]

cause even if I use alpine packages still aren't built for my hardware and against things I don't need so I still could gain performance in that front

obviously packages matters less than kernel or other things but I mean

I know some people who still daily netbooks where every drop counts

[frank steeple]

The difference would be minimal on old hardware, they don't have all the fancy new hardware features compilers can optimize for

[brave isle]

🤷🏾‍♀️

[ripe knot]

Lyss#6283 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[brave isle]

whoops

I mean some newer hardware can be just as under performant as older hardware, netbooks, the cheap, low power laptops sold in stores or when sorting by price, etc

[strong plover]

Any python people here? I’m trying to write a script on Linux. And I am having it use the keyboard library. (To type stuff). But in order to use the function where it listens for a key press (the enter key, to be exact), this requires sudo. If I don’t put dangerous stuff in the script, is it ok to use sudo in this case?

[undone lichen]

idk i guess it depends on context

if the script is for you to use for your own purposes just run the whole script using sudo

[strong plover]

thats what I'm planning to do.

[fallow belfry]

Just make sure the program includes dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda1

[strong plover]

Ok will do.

Another person from another server told me to put this in it too.

[strong plover]

So between your code, and this guys code, I think it’ll work.

[fallow belfry]

Yep 100%

[strong plover]

You can test it too :)

But f’real. I finished it (for now)

[fallow belfry]

Gladly ;)

[dusk kernel]

So yeah, just leave that loaded gun laying around in here for a newbie to find and shoot themselves with.

[strong plover]

I’m in a server where they actually prohibit posting dangerous commands 😅 but hopefully people actually ask what the command does before they run it

[fallow belfry]

In general, never run a command or script you don't know personally what it does

That's a lesson all Linux users learn, sometimes the hard way

[strong plover]

If you go running commands Willy-Nilly, you shouldn’t be using Linux imo

[frank steeple]

I tried keyboard, but had issues with it. I usually just use pyautogui

[strong plover]

I couldnt find a way to read keyboard input with pyautogui. I ended up using both libraries in my script. In order for keyboard to work fully, you have to run the script with sudo. It threw me some confusing error messages when I first ran without sudo, maybe thats what it was.

[grave obsidian]

manjaro is best

or sushi OS

[strong plover]

Hi! I’m here to tell you that your trolling didn’t work. But I don’t have much company here, so any conversations are appreciated :)

[grave obsidian]

huh

[grave obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-discord-gif-19296665

[strong plover]

Not just mod, server owner.

(Not this server though lol)

[strong plover]

Were you serious that you think Manjaros best?

[grave obsidian]

kinda

i actually think zorin Core is my fav

personal op

[strong plover]

I have never used zorin, because I heard it is from China, and some people have issues with china’s laws.

[grave obsidian]

no

its acually based in Australia

[strong plover]

🤔

[grave obsidian]

and Zorin Core is a very nice OS

[strong plover]

There was a Chinese distro that I’ve never tried, I’ll have to look it up

[strong plover]

What desktop environment does it use?

[grave obsidian]

i actually perfer Zorin Lite

Its Ubuntu Based

Gnome?

Actually Hybrid

[strong plover]

Ah nice.

[barren fox]

im trying to install ubuntu 20.04 on windows and it says its installing and its been saying that for a while now

[fallow belfry]

Define "a while", and what are you installing to? SSD? HDD?

And I'm assuming you mean the WSL

[barren fox]

like 30 mins

and ssd

[white kraken]

This is to do with a Samsung Galaxy phone. Vibration motor works fine, but the damn motor isn't contacted after a few minutes? Works briefly after the phone is powered on, but it just stops until another restart.

Phone's a Samsung Galaxy A31 running on OneUI 4.1, Android 12. It's rooted, if you're wondering. Uses Magisk.

Hopefully the person who told me this was also good for Android help is truthful. Yeah whatever, just asking for help mere.

Anyway, the issue is with the system not wanting to allow the motor to vibrate. Nothing will vibrate without a restart and a few minutes of it actually working.

[fallow belfry]

Does the issue persist on different custom OS versions and editions? If so, does it still do it if you go back to stock? If it's still doing it then it's hardware.

[white kraken]

No idea but I have no other os on me, using stock with w mod

[covert scroll]

Maybe someone here can help me - I'm having an issue where KDE Neon (Ubuntu base) is showing 0% battery on my ThinkPad laptop, but the bios shows the battery is actually fully charged. The OS thinks it is charging from 0% and will shut down if I unplug it

I've tried removing the battery, using the reset pin of my laptop, some bios stuff, nothing seems to work

Any way to somehow reset OS battery info?

[white kraken]

I assume this is a lost cause lol
This started happening suddenly after a month or so of it having been used

[fallow belfry]

Did you end up going back to stock (no mod) like I suggested?

[white kraken]

Didn't have it on me and wasn't in the mood ffs
Hell, idk if the data would even be preserved.

All I know is that it worked perfectly fine before I did anything root-wise

And none of the plugins caused it, I know that

[fallow belfry]

Rooting can cause weird issues, which is why I suggested what I did

[white kraken]

I guess that's understandable

If I want to preserve the data at least, how would that go on?

[fallow belfry]

You can do a backup

And save the backup to a pc

[white kraken]

What all would be lost?

[fallow belfry]

If you do a backup or if you don't?

[white kraken]

If I backup

[fallow belfry]

If you use the right backup software you won't lose much, mostly just app data for things that are encrypted like banking apps and email that you can easily sign in and get back

[strong plover]

https://waydro.id/

cool stuff.... gonna try it now

[kind panther]

Oof lineage 17

[kind panther]

@strong plover did u try that

[strong plover]

I am in the process of trying, but it looks like i have to replace X11 with wayland judging from my error messages.

And I don’t know if wayland is the right choice.

It’s an AMD iGPU on this laptop

[strong plover]

Wait, is Wayland system wide, to replace X11? or can you like, just make some windows use wayland. or could i even install another desktop environment and make it use wayland?

[dusk kernel]

Not sure if this will accommodate what you want, but if both are installed you should be able to choose X11 or Wayland when you login.

[strong plover]

Hmm. That would be nifty, as I wouldn’t have to add desktop environments

[brave isle]

wayland has a compat layer for xorg

but not vice versa

[xwayland]

[strong plover]

So, it lets you do xorg stuff on wayland, but not wayland on xorg?

[rotund dirge]

Yeah, xorg wants nothing to do with Wayland.

💀

[strong plover]

interesting.

I still havent done anything with wayland yet, been too busy

from what ive heard, its that wayland is so good. but it doesnt always work with nvidia cards (im trying ryzen igpu, that doesnt matter), and it still doesnt work with a lot of apps. so i habe mixed feelings about it]

[brave isle]

idk where the apps thing comes from

natively sure

but it would just run through xwayland

and yes

wayland nvidia support is

eh

but linux nvidia support in general is eh

the biggest thing for me is lack of options

[strong plover]

What do you mean by that? I understand/have heard the other things you said. But I assumed wayland had more options because it’s newer?

[brave isle]

in terms of wm's

no

the amout of options that are regularly developed

not dead passion projects

is like

almost 0

sway wayfire hikari and like a couple others

[strong plover]

Ah

Welp. I’m going to reinstall Ubuntu studio right now. I don’t want to upgrade because I still haven’t fixed my rookie errors, a reinstall will help so much.

I backed up my machine, but I feel like there’s so much I need to save before I erase 👀

[fallow belfry]

That's why my root and /home are on different partitions

[strong plover]

Now would be the time i set up those things.

[strong plover]

How do you do yours?

I mean like, are those your major partitions and the other is small for the OS?

[fallow belfry]

I do a custom install and make all the partitions myself. Then I tell it which one is /EFI, /, and /home.

[strong plover]

Could you by any chance send a screenshot of gparted or something? I don’t know which partition would need to be biggest. I’m guessing / would, and then /home?

heres my current one lol

[dusk kernel]

This is a dual-boot system, but you'll still get a general idea. I don't know if the swap partition is needed anymore. I add that mostly out of habit.

[fallow belfry]

I would but windows likes to overwrite my boot loader, I'm in need of a reinstall too lol

I can do this though

in order, /boot/efi, /, /home, misc (used by another OS)

Pretty much the only requirement is that the EFI be at least 512MB for compatibility

[strong plover]

alright, that looks pretty familiar, but what goes on youre /boot partition? the OS itself? it just seems kinda small

[fallow belfry]

/boot is just for the boot loader and efi files

The OS is installed to root, /

[strong plover]

ahh i see.

[fallow belfry]

Then /home is where things like program data, downloads, documents, etc get stored

[strong plover]

what about programs installed with sudo? like, if I install python3 globally

or i guess, the sbin folder (i think thats the one)

[fallow belfry]

How large each partition should be varies by what you'll be using it for, if you're installing a lot of programs then root should be bigger but if you're just browsing and doing office work making /home bigger can be good

Program installations almost always fall into the root drive unless you compile from scratch, then it's wherever you put it

[mortal totem]

I remember one time i just decided “what the heck, im gonna make a copy of my ubuntu vm,” then the next week my install borked itself and I couldn’t figure out what it was so i just booted the copy and worked perfectly

[strong plover]

So I have a 1tb drive. I'll allocate 1gb to EFI. Past that, I'm still deciding. i've never split data into multiple partitions before

[strong plover]

so the "/" partition?

[fallow belfry]

Yes that's root

If you compile a program and run it out of your documents folder or something then obviously it's on the /home partition at that point but by default programs will install to the various folders in root /

[strong plover]

right.

[fallow belfry]

Linux is great for not taking up a lot of space at least

[strong plover]

hmm ok. So I keep a lot of pictures and VMs/wine prefixes on my computer, play some games, do audio/video work. the audio plugins can be big, but i have them in my home folder. Do you have any suggestions for partition sizes? I can send current folder sizes too xD

[fallow belfry]

You can see in that pic it's only using less than half of the 56GB allocated to root

[strong plover]

oh, and OS is ubuntu studio (kubuntu basically, nothing fancy)

[fallow belfry]

You can easily get away with doing 100gb OS and the rest for /home storage, since VMs and such save there too

Steam saves games into the home folder too

[strong plover]

so when you say OS, that means root or /? or is that a boot partition

[fallow belfry]

The OS installs to root, /

Along with most programs you'll install through package managers

[dusk kernel]

This is a 240GB SSD with "Kubuntu Studio" on it.....

[fallow belfry]

Oh yeah swap files, been a while since I've used one of those

[dusk kernel]

Hmmm... apparently I didn't separate Boot, EFI, etc.

[strong plover]

I've never made a swap partition, because ive ever been at a loss for RAM and I dont make my machines sleep. also linux can make files that serve the same purpose

[dusk kernel]

Yeah, I feel like I've been told that a swap partition isn't as needed as it once was.

[fallow belfry]

Now that 16gb is basically standard on modern systems yeah, Linux itself will never use that. Certain programs might still need it but they're rare.

[strong plover]

windows, 16gb is really needed. I could easily make do with 8 on linux if I didn't mess with real time audio samples

but i'll often have 14.9gb full of 15.6gb

[fallow belfry]

It's funny how Linux system requirements have barely gone up since the days of Win 7. Any PC that can run that can run Linux, and fast.

[strong plover]

it just shows that an OS doesnt have to be bloated to be good!

[fallow belfry]

Cramming features down your user's throats at the cost of bloating the OS and creating more overhead. Fun trends at M$

[dusk kernel]

If I ever rebuild my "audio system" (used to be Kubuntu Studio, but might change to Fedora Jam) it will be in the "most powerful" box I've ever used for that purpose, and it has an i5-4590 CPU. LOL

Even the previous i5-3470 system was sufficient for that usage. chuckle

[fallow belfry]

Yup. My Plex server is just an E5 1650 v1 (2012 model). Runs like a dream unless I ask it to transcode to 4k lol.

[strong plover]

mine is a xeon E5 1620 from 2012 lol, probably pretty similar.

I use jellyfin though, but very similar transcoding

I also run a bunch of other stuff on it

[fallow belfry]

You just have a couple less cores than me

[strong plover]

(docker server)

[strong plover]

i got 4c8t, you have 6c12t?

[fallow belfry]

Yes

[strong plover]

nice

[fallow belfry]

Pretty much everything else is the same between them

You have a higher base frequency but the same boost at 3.8ghz

[strong plover]

mhm, basiclly. I assume yours generates Heat too?

[fallow belfry]

Very much so, same TDP

[strong plover]

hahaha, mine will help heat my room this winter when I transcode video or transfer big files

[fallow belfry]

Odd thing is my motherboard is a dual socket but the 16 series only supports single CPU, but I guess if I wanted to "upgrade" to a 26XX and get less single core performance I could get more cores.

HP doin weird things

[strong plover]

depends on your workload I guess

mines an HP z420 "workstation", 16gb ECC memory in 8 sticks

I believe its got a 650 watt psu. which is plenty

[fallow belfry]

Huh, yeah I have the same Z420 but when I got it third hand (fourth maybe) it only had 4gb single stick. Grabbed some more for $10 and now it's 12GB triple channel

[strong plover]

someone probably plucked the extra sticks to make a few bucks on ebay

[fallow belfry]

It also had no hard drives but I'm fine with that, whatever it came with was probably long dead and tiny

Shucked a WD external drive and now it has 14TB storage plus 1TB system

[strong plover]

f'real. mine came from a guy who'd bought it secondhand, and he put a 700gb hdd for games, and a 100gb ssd for OS (think he used fedora). My mom used itlike that for almost a year, then the 100gb ssd died. so I traded+paid for the hp and gave her an optiplex 5060 micro form factor with 256gb sata m.2 for windows, and 240gb sata for kubuntu.

she hasnt ever needed windows.

[fallow belfry]

Good for her. My mom can barely use Windows so I can't imagine trying to get her to run Linux lol.

[strong plover]

my mom mainly uses an internet browser and libreoffice

she griped a little about printing, but then I showed her M$ options, and she was like, No! I want all these [KDE] options!

well. unless someone says something, or I read differently, I'm going to partition with root as 100 gb and /home as the rest. and 1gb efi.

[strong plover]

There's a guy trying to convince me to install endeavorOS....

[frank steeple]

Do it

[strong plover]

Are you daring me to make a bad choice or do you think it’s wise

Techies have to answer honestly.

[frank steeple]

I think it'd be fun

It works about as well as any other major distro, so it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea

[strong plover]

hmm

I just found out is uses pipewire

and audio, low latency, is a big thing for me

[frank steeple]

There ya go, you have a reason

[strong plover]

I- I- I dont know

[strong plover]

true.

I am planning on installing ubuntu Studio again though. but I'm so annoyed, 22.10 gets released october 20th!

I could have waited.

I just want Plasma 5.25, that's all.

I dont even know if 22.10 will ship with it

I hope it does

[strong plover]

Thats what I was planning to do. But when I upgrade to 22.10, I just don't want that extra PPA to cause issues or anythjing

[mortal totem]

idk how to use ubuntu, anyone know how to resize the filesystem to use the full 56gb

[fallow belfry]

Just use gparted, it's like windows disk management but much more powerful

[mortal totem]

I dont think that works here, gparted showed the main partition as 134gb I downsized it to 56

31used 25 free

But the os shows as 90% used

[fallow belfry]

You'll need to extend the logical volume containing the system partition, then extend the partition to fill the logical space

[mortal totem]

how do I do that

[strong plover]

Are there any precautions to take when installing another desktop environment? I want to have GNOME and KDE together.

[fallow belfry]

It'll just make you select which one you want to load on startup. They're fairly intercompatible.

[strong plover]

I heard a thing about making a whole separate user for each desktop, to avoid problems with settings. But is that even necessary?

[languid bluff]

My buddy said Linux is the worst

Because there’s so many

Distro

[strong plover]

You need to get a new buddy, or you need to stop listening to him

[languid bluff]

but Linux you have to write to open apps

[strong plover]

I don't. I would hate doing that. I just click the icon to open apps.

[languid bluff]

I see people type code for updating apps

Is this you?

https://tenor.com/view/linux-yeah-i-use-linux-gigachad-chad-arch-linux-gif-26093280

because you’re a chad

[strong plover]

haha, you can type "sudo apt upgrade" to perform updates, or you can just click the button like I do.

this is the button I click to do updates lol

[strong plover]

I wish that was me

[languid bluff]

What’s distro

[strong plover]

Pretty much any good distro will have an easy button to do updates with. But this distro is Ubuntu Studio. Kubuntu (which might be better for you) has the same exact desktop environment, and the same exact button

I know that plain "Vanilla" ubuntu is helpful for beginners because it makes many things easier than Windows does.

[languid bluff]

ohhh nice

I used to use manjaro but I’ll take windows any day

Cuz Assessability

[strong plover]

Manjaro is Horrible

[languid bluff]

NO

it’s the best one yet

It’s green

Logo looks good

[strong plover]

If you thought linux was hard, I dont blame you if youve tried manjaro lol

[kind panther]

pop os

my arch nemesis

[strong plover]

I have a friend who really likes the idea of popOS

he's a developer. backend dev. he also makes discord bots in his free time

He uses a mac

but he wants to switch to using popOS.

I was like. just dont.

[strong plover]

But yes, I too hate popOS

it looks like its from 2015

[kind panther]

Its not even how it looks

[strong plover]

and its really just GNOME with a bad theme

[kind panther]

It just has never worked for me

[strong plover]

I say, if youre going to use an ubuntu based distro, then use an offical ubuntu

[kind panther]

firstly, the install pisses me off... why does it need such a big efi partition
second, I mostly use linux for android development and half the packages I require refuse to install on popos

[strong plover]

I feel ya about the EFI partition. I couldnt even dual boot it on my friends computer normally. there is no automatic dual boot settings, you have to manually partition each thing. and you cant put it on the same efi as a normal windows install

which is so annoying

[strong plover]

any suggestions?

for stuff that I should improve upon, or software suggestions

I am effectively starting over.

[sand pecan]

what's going on

there's a linux channel?

damn this is my thing

[strong plover]

You a Linux user?

[sand pecan]

yeah i daily linux

[strong plover]

No way

That’s epic

[sand pecan]

except for school

[strong plover]

Schools do be bad about Microsoft don’t they

Or google I guess

[sand pecan]

tho the distro i use has a certain

stigma

[strong plover]

Which one

Arch?

[sand pecan]

yes

[strong plover]

Uwuntu?

Lol

[sand pecan]

it pretty much stopped me from distrohopping

no need to find a new distro when i have so much customization

but still

[strong plover]

I have considered arch, multiple times.

[sand pecan]

ubuntu still the best overall imo

[strong plover]

But for now, I’m sticking with debian based stuff

[sand pecan]

better support, less of a pain in the butt

[strong plover]

Yeah.

I’ve never needed to run a software that only supported arch. I’m sure it exists though

[sand pecan]

have you tried kde plasma for ubuntu?

plasma is pretty customization

[strong plover]

But there are some softwares that don’t do arch. Although, you can usually compile

Oh yeah

I don’t really like gnome, been using plasma for more than a year now

[sand pecan]

ayy

plasma gang

[strong plover]

My distro of choice is Ubuntu Studio.

[sand pecan]

hmm

looks like a productivity oriented version of Ubuntu

actually looks pretty interesting

[strong plover]

I really like it.

I appreciate the low latency kernel pre installed

It truly makes a difference for audio

(I haven’t done professional tests to prove that, but I can tell a difference)

[reef swallow]

Hey so im trying to use kali linux on WSL2 and its throwing a fit installing kali-linux-large

[ripe knot]

Femboy Fox#1987 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[reef swallow]

bruh what

thats what it spits out when i try to install the packages its throwing a fit about manually

The following packages have unmet dependencies: kali-linux-headless : Depends: set but it is not going to be installed Depends: weevely but it is not going to be installed kali-linux-large : Depends: cisco-global-exploiter but it is not going to be installed
this is the error that prompted me to try and install them manually

im trying to install the Win-KeX software so i can use the kali gui

[strong plover]

What does Claudia do? I have never used it, it sounds like something from kxstudio

[strong plover]

In Ubuntu studio, I use qjackctl, and Carla sometimes

It looks kinda like Carla

[next imp]

how would i run a game on linux mint using wine, the game doesn't have a launcher so im trying to lauch from the .exe file.

im not very experienced with linux so that may just be the problem

[strong plover]

Have you looked at the wine page to see if others have had success running this game?

I haven’t run many windows games on Linux, I’ll be honest. But for all my WINE stuff, I use PlayOnLinux.

It makes managing prefixes really easy

[next imp]

i tried using playonlinux but i couldn't figure out how to run the game with it

[strong plover]

Have people even had success with the game under wine?

[strong plover]

Is qjackctl a session manager? Or just a place to manage the connections. Becsuse I use Ubuntu studio “studio controls” to start Jack, assign bridges, etc, and qjackctl to manage all the connections and stuff

[next imp]

im trying to run terraria

[strong plover]

Why can’t you just use steam?

That’s what I’m reading online

https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-play-terraria-on-linux/

This makes it look really simple

[next imp]

because umm...

reasons

well idk, i didnt install it through steam so i didnt think of that

ill have to try that

[strong plover]

It’s native on Linux

So you won’t need wine at all

I found a Reddit thread confirming that

Man. I should play terraria sometime. I heard it’s fun

[next imp]

it is

but the reason i cant run it is for some... legality reasons...

[strong plover]

Ohh I see

You pirated it?

[next imp]

maybe...

[strong plover]

I would give no guarantee you’ll get it working

Good luck, but if there’s a Linux version, that’s your best bet

How much does it even cost?

I’ve never looked

[next imp]

i think its like 15 might be 30

i myself actually own the game but my friend who as a linux laptop wanted it so i was trying to help

and since i daily drive windows im not familiar with how linux works, so i thought i would ask

but it seems like my research has gotten just as far

[strong plover]

ahh i see

so you just sent him an exe or something?

[next imp]

i just downloaded the game off steamunblocked

[strong plover]

ok

[next imp]

and tryed to run it from there

but that is a windows version of the game

or so it would seem

[strong plover]

yeah, since theres a native linux version, I wouldnt even bother with wine. better to get a part time job and make some cash to spend imo

[next imp]

alright

i do know that the game is worth the cost so i'll just tell him to buy it if he wants to play it

but as a student were cheap and even 30 bucks on a game is 30 bucks that could be spent on something else ya know

so maybe i'll look into getting him something that will work

but thanks for the insight

[strong plover]

I'm a student too, I feel ya.

But I generally dont pay for games, I just play minecraft and some dumb ones I guess.

[kind panther]

Tell him to deal with it and end this here since ur breaking the rules

[strong plover]

How bad would it be if I just installed ubuntu studio 22.10 (pre release) as my main OS? I'm reinstalling anyways. Otherwise I would be installing 22.04 right now, somehow adding plasma 5.25, and then updating everything when 22.10 officially releases.

[kind panther]

Linox mimt

[strong plover]

I just wouldnt want manually updating to plasma 5.25 to get in the way of an update to it later when it comes out

wait! it might not even have plasma 5.25 anyways

[strong plover]

i brussed my teeth wif mimt toothpaste!

[strong plover]

Installing MacOS right now! Let’s hope it works.

It’s virtualized of course

[strong plover]

I am trying to access /var/lib/docker, but I keep getting permission denied. I’m in the docker group, I’ve tried using sudo, and I’ve tried changing the ownership of the folder

[strong plover]

Does anyone know how to make the /var/lib/docker folder able to be read?

I got in!

I may have done a bad thing though…..

I desperately used sudo chmod -R 777 docker

[fallow belfry]

Since it's a VM that's acceptable but on a full system that's a bad idea

[strong plover]

No, I actually did that on my full system.

[strong plover]

I needed to access a file that the image made and put inside that directory

If that is actually really harmful, is there a way to revert permissions once I have the file out?

[fallow belfry]

It's not exactly harmful directly but it can compromise security, and some less well programmed apps will complain that their custom users don't have access any more.

[strong plover]

Hmm I hope I don’t run into one of those apps.

[fallow belfry]

Plex server is the only one that comes to mind, since it uses its own group with certain permissions so you don't need to authenticate root every time you boot

[strong plover]

Ah ok. I won’t ever be using plex on my desktop pc, and besides, my server is better equipped to run dockers

But good to know about that

[pallid mantle]

haha linux

[strong plover]

Finally someone to un-deaden this channel

Y’all are lame.

Linux is better than general chat

[strong plover]

Bad word usage doesn’t count as Linux usage

[brave isle]

true

need more Linux usage

[pallid mantle]

i learned linux

terminal commands

sudo wudo

um

rm @strong plover

sudo rm @strong plover

password: weggwegg

[strong plover]

Do you want this operation to continue? [Y/n]

[kind panther]

people who press enter>>>>>people who press y and then enter

[strong plover]

F’real though

[pallid mantle]

YES

[frank steeple]

Yes do as I say

[strong plover]

appends -y to command to prove boblasershark is real power user

[drowsy surge]

does anyone know some good linux/ubuntu/other stuff that has a GUI and can work on a not powerful PC (in my case it's a dell wyse 3040), i mainly need an os that uses less than 7gb hard drive and can run on 2gb ram/1.5ghz 4core. i've tried a bunch of other operative systems (linux mint: not supported/error; lubuntu 20.40: worked on the 1st PC, doesn't work with the others; fossapup (puppylinux): couldn't get it to install on hard drive)

you could also help me to get fossapup installed before trying new os

[frank steeple]

You could also just pipe yes into it

[kind panther]

I have now become arch user

[frank steeple]

yes | works with everything though, not every command has a -y flag

[strong plover]

What prompted this?

[strong plover]

Do you type it like yes | <command> or <command> | yes ?

[frank steeple]

yes | <command>

[kind panther]

I was bored of debian based distros

[abstract wigeon]

Okay mr. rm rf's windows drive

[kind panther]

And also i did
sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /

[kind panther]

Shut i didnt expect it to kill another drive completely

[abstract wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[strong plover]

Fair. Are you using straight up arch? Or a distro like Manjaro or the other one

[kind panther]

Straight up

[strong plover]

Nice.

What Desktop did you install, or Are you a true purist and only use CLi?

[kind panther]

Im using gnome

I use cli only on my pi

nvm im no longer arch user, getting my android compile stuff working is turning out to be a pain

@strong plover whats a good debian based distro

[fallow belfry]

Mint imo

Or Pop!OS (good for nvidia esp)

[kind panther]

I was on mint a good while and i kinda wanna try something new

[kind panther]

oof that was a dumpster fire for the stuff i do last 2 times i tried it

I do have an amd card tho so compatability is not an issue

[fallow belfry]

Maybe do Kubuntu if you want a change

[kind panther]

Ill check it out, thanks

[strong plover]

Yeah, kubuntu or Ubuntu studio

Kubuntu had extra apps installed if you like those

Sorry, I meant studio.

[strong plover]

I really really want a desktop, maybe a custom Gnome one, that behaves and feels exactly like macOS. Just for fun.

But more importantly, looks like mac

[sand pecan]

typical arch experience

[kind panther]

kubuntu best

[sand pecan]

mmmm

have to agree with you on that

kde plasma is really damn good

[strong plover]

KDE bros

[strong plover]

Okay. I am looking for a good way to integrate appimages with my desktop. I used to manually make a .desktop file for each one, but those days are over.

heres one I found:

https://github.com/w-j-r/AppImage-Integrator

https://github.com/TheAssassin/AppImageLauncher

here is another one- it looks like its more popular

Any suggestions or tips?

[ripe knot]

Bantam#2848 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[strong plover]

haha rekt

[toxic ermine]

Ubuntu has ldxe desktop light desktops for easier non powerful pcs

all linux distros pretty much have different desktops for different pc power or just personal preferances

linux ubuntu derivatives... pgp name verify iso iso.sig --verify theres really no clear movie on how to do this correctly.

gpg verify key not in database for an iso image

[strong plover]

I am having trouble installing vcrun6 in wine, both from playonlinux or wine tricks. Any tips?

[strong plover]

Ok, I think I fixed it

I used winetricks to install vcrun6sp6 or something like that

It was a similar package dll

[strong plover]

Cool

[toxic ermine]

eith the 1Person of 99% of unwillingless zz z ...dont care to own the keys to their car

Own the keys to your car, then you can decide what you will put or not put in the trunk of your vehicle. Not let microsoft decide. Own the other keys to your cars Dashboard then you can build design develope. sign all your own software for your operating system

Go Ownerational blueberry waffle oh well Haheha I decided I wanted Chicken on bokchoy spring rolls lemonade and a eggflower soup. go rational go like a pro! then you can decide what food you want too or even the interior build of your own car. you can even make it hot Pink! if you want...

oh dual boot still works if you dont delete the wrong key

[strong plover]

wow im intrugued

[strong plover]

ope... glad you clarified

(bot moment)

[toxic ermine]

dump pressure monitor I Need more tea! oh wine I read. I looked at games on steam. I read on websites. Some games give you this feature needed to run games in linux error its wine or variant needed to run the windows games on linux Theory However Certain games with installed anti cheat codes dont like wine and can wronfully ban users and the creator of their brand of games discriminate so they say you werent wrongfully banned after the checked Forums Ive read.

Ive not run across a windows game with steams new translator to actually work thus far. Needed direct x how do You get it in a vm to run if you already have nvidia?

122/74

[strong plover]

I Need more tea as well!

[frank steeple]

Just enable steam play and go through proton, it has a built in direct x translator

As a bonus most of the major anti cheat companies are supporting proton now

[toxic ermine]

thats ok yeah I did and Proton didn't work on linux ubuntu derivative distro. I tried to vm it first. Find a linux distro to play with steam/games before I pick a desktop os.

[frank steeple]

What game are you trying to get working?

[strong plover]

I was almost 100% sure that was a bot

[sand pecan]

looking forward to the next iteration of the chatbot

[strong plover]

Me too

[strong plover]

I signed your number up for Random Animal Facts text list.

You’re welcome.

[strong plover]

https://youtu.be/rhZpoALaIRo

[drowsy surge]

I've just "installed" bionicpup/Linux on a Dell thin client and followed the procedure to install into internal storage. I can reboot/shut down as far as the usb installation drive is inserted but for some reason if I remove it the pc can't even recognize there's a OS in it... What am I doing wrong?
If I reinsert the usb drive after I tried booting without it it doesn't even save my config/setup (language, keyb layout,...)

[strong plover]

make sure that the boot order is set correctly

and depending on the bios version (i'm familiar with older dell BIOS), you can "search" through the drive and find the grub boot files to make your boot entry.

[drowsy surge]

I have a pretty recent bios (2018/19) but when I go to boot options it only shows up ipv4/6boot

[strong plover]

are you in like simple mode or something?

[drowsy surge]

Just noticed this... (SDA is the usb drive I used to install)

[drowsy surge]

Let me check

[strong plover]

and youre detaching the USB stick once it installs before you reboot it?

[fallow belfry]

Looks like it installed the bootloader to your external drive

[strong plover]

yeahh

[drowsy surge]

Nop... I selected the internal drive (which is just 8gb), my usb drive is 32

I'm sure

[fallow belfry]

I typically manually create the partitions and designate the mount points

Sure you told it to install to the internal drive but if it detected a usable /boot partition then it'll just use that

[drowsy surge]

https://youtu.be/eI6ce3gBiWU
Followed this tutorial

[fallow belfry]

Windows has a similar dysfunction

[drowsy surge]

What should I check? @strong plover

With usb inserted I have this one boot option but it's just the usb drive

Maybe there's no uefi support? Not sure about what I'm saying

[fallow belfry]

UEFI has been standard since Windows 7

[drowsy surge]

Well I'll give some info about the device or other things that may be useful so you can help me to actually get it installed
Wyse thin client 3040, 64bit, 7.3GB rom available, 2gb ram, using a as card with USB adapter as installation drive

• Tried formatting the installation usb (with Rufus 3 as always) using both MBR and GPT but same "problem"

You could also suggest some light OS that are not puppy linux. I can try something different if I can't get it to work

[drowsy surge]

Maybe "add boot option" may help chose where to boot from but I don't really understand and don't know how to locate the OS (if it is actually installed in the internal storage)

Uhhh

[strong plover]

Under boot list option, click “add boot option”

[strong plover]

Ok yeah this lower picture is right

Go to EFI on the left label

And there should be something like “grub64” or something

[drowsy surge]

Ok

EFI>boot>
{-bootx64.efi
-bootia32.efi}

Two options but I guess the 64 but would be the correct one

[strong plover]

Try the 64 one

Yeah. That’s how I always did mine

I disabled ip6 and ip4 boot too

[drowsy surge]

Do I have to also disable boot from uefi mass storage (usb drive)?

I'll come back in a few mins

[strong plover]

No, but put it lower down on the list than the grub entry.

In other words, put the grub entry the first on the list. Click it to select it, and then use the up arrow button on the right side of the screen to move it to the top.

[drowsy surge]

Done, hope it works

Should I save as custom user settings?

So... It did boot normally (usb is always inserted) but I'm not sure if it booted from that file you made me chose

[strong plover]

No don’t do dumb custom user stuff

[drowsy surge]

It still gives me the message when I try to unmount the usb drive (by clicking on the desktop icon)

[drowsy surge]

Ok, didn't do that anyways

[strong plover]

Why is usb inserted if it’s installed already?

[drowsy surge]

Idk, I am not sure if I should remove it if it gives me this message ^

[drowsy surge]

Should I ignore the message and try removing it anyways?

[strong plover]

Fal said that you probably installed bootloader to the wrong place. You won’t hurt anything by powering off system, removing usb, and then booting. It will likely not work if bootloader installed to wrong place.

I gtg for awhile, I can help later if it’s still not working

[drowsy surge]

Removed the usb drive before turning on

[strong plover]

I would recommend reinstalling at this point

[drowsy surge]

Ok, could you help me?

[strong plover]

Not right now, possibly tonight though

I have farm chores, and then an evening event

[drowsy surge]

Oh okk,
Guess I'll do it tomorrow, it's almost 10pm I should go to bed
If you can, I'll tag you in about 16hrs

[fallow belfry]

That's some sleep, wish I could get that much

[drowsy surge]

Btw i guess it is installed on the usb (for some reason..) cuz I just reinserted the usb drive and i got my files back

[drowsy surge]

Not sleep
But sleep + school
: (

[fallow belfry]

I figured it was along those lines. I might be able to help too later, g'night.

[drowsy surge]

Good night everyone

[strong plover]

Gn

[drowsy surge]

@strong plover could you help me install Linux now?

Should I re create the usb installer selecting gpt instead of mbr? Since I'm going to do everything from the begging i don't mind if it takes a few minutes more

[strong plover]

I have college class in a bit, but I might be able to help a little.

Yes, I'd recommend recreating your installer.

You should use GPT. I don't know how you're making the installer, but you should just use Balena Etcher.

@drowsy surge

[drowsy surge]

Omk

[strong plover]

Also, what distro are you installing?

[drowsy surge]

I have the iso downloaded and I use Rufus to format the usb drive

[drowsy surge]

I'm using puppy linux bionicpup v8.0

Created the usb with gpt

[strong plover]

Yeah, download balena etcher to make the USB installer. I feel like Rufus has too many things that can go wrong.

[drowsy surge]

Okk

Just a sec

[strong plover]

yep, click that and select the iso file

[drowsy surge]

It's working

[strong plover]

noice

I am generally in favor of using complicated tools, but for flashing ISOs, you cannot beat etcher

[drowsy surge]

Much faster than Rufus
(Look like)

Well Rufus gives many options like uefi or bios and other stuff

Done

[strong plover]

good! I have never installer puppy linux, but I am willing to try walking you through it if you want

[drowsy surge]

Thanks

[strong plover]

first, are you dual booting? ie, do you have windows on the same hard drive youre installing linux?

[drowsy surge]

Now that it flashed the usb drive I can't see it on "my pc"

[strong plover]

right, just pull out the drive

its no longer in a format readable by pc

[drowsy surge]

No, the internal drive of the client should be completely empty

[strong plover]

how big is the internal drive, and is it SSD or HDD?

[drowsy surge]

It is soldered on 7.3GB mem

[strong plover]

🤨