overclocking

[humble jay]

sure

[proven canopy]

Jesus, lol, that's some determination

Did you test before/after with an oscilloscope? What inspired you you to go through all that trouble?

[humble jay]

someone told me that the top score with 6900xt that was running insane mem had added 200 MLCC to mem

so I added like 500

but nah I didn't

i'm in second with 6900xt, or at least was

but didn't sub any to hwbot

[proven canopy]

These days I feel like I'd rather spend hours chasing a single hardware than hundreds of scattered points

x265 32c+ efficiency has been interesting

[humble jay]

I think I can beat OGS with CPU on LN2

[proven canopy]

server 2022 performs well - but has more variation vs other os

How many threads does tse, fsu use?

[humble jay]

TSE can use at least 64

[tall pelican]

tse all (I think up to like 64?) FS is like 10-16ish

I want to say 16?

[humble jay]

FSU is weird, i'm actually not sure, it seems to use them all, but also 10900K-11900K don't score too far off

like SMT Off on 5950X suuuuucks

[proven canopy]

Even fse?

[tall pelican]

yeah

[proven canopy]

I wish more of this knowledge was organized into a wiki

[lavish tundra]

Hmm I should run some firestrike and get points

[tall pelican]

iirc 7/9/10980xe with ht off and 2 cores disabled was best

[proven canopy]

Night raid is a hard limit of 12 threads ime

[lavish tundra]

Ill probably get top 10 global for my card easy

This sunday I shall

[humble jay]

how many points are all of the 290X records worth 😛

i might just 5950X past all of them really quick

[proven canopy]

Part of me wants to just scatterbench all the hardware I currently have access to - but much of it isn't .. interesting to tune/bench

Just very plug and play

And I have mixed feelings on getting lots of hwbot points that way

[humble jay]

yeah, I was going to try with 5700G first, and actually put the GPU on ln2 to be fair

[proven canopy]

5600g's are $230 or something now

[lavish tundra]

Forks how does one acquire the HWbot role?

[proven canopy]

Buy it on newegg

[humble jay]

current top score is with 9900K, so 5700G prob fair if I can beat this

[proven canopy]

I wish they'd combine 290x, fury x etc with their equivalent server/workstation cards

If it's the same exact core/memory config

[humble jay]

ah yeah

[proven canopy]

I have some s9300x2's that are basically dual fury x that I'd love to bench - but it'd be kinda pointless

[humble jay]

@tall pelican oh yeah

my unify-x just died

b550

[tall pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[humble jay]

[proven canopy]

If anyone needs a benching gpu https://www.walmart.com/ip/ASUS-GeForce-GT-710-with-4-HDMI-Ports-Graphics-Card/546336617

[tall pelican]

[sudden torrent]

Oh you bought 5
I was about to say...

[proven canopy]

Lol yes - credit to fitz for finding the deal

[tall pelican]

yeah, was more of a test to see if they actually will ship them, it says eta oct 24th

look out ladies and gentlemen, we're buying pc hardware from walmart

[sudden torrent]

Fitting that it's the lowest end GPU that works on modern systems

[short blade]

I've already bought a few cases and power supplies from walmart

[tall pelican]

more of that its a 4 hdmi output, going off a pcie x1

[short blade]

definitely not

not when the geforce g100 exists

[sudden torrent]

Oh? What lower GPU is UEFI compatible

[short blade]

[tall pelican]

you want to see a non-uefi compatible 3070?

[short blade]

you only said works on modern systems 👀

CSM enabled moment

[tall pelican]

oh ig it doesnt show 3070, but it was

[short blade]

fun fact

asrock and msi do NOT like it when you try using a 1024x600 monitor in UEFI

[tall pelican]

asrock

[sudden torrent]

That whole thing looks so not fun, USB overcurrent? What happened there?

[short blade]

asrock will lock up about 1 second after entering bios

MSI will sometimes lock up instantly

sometimes just glitch the graphics to hell before locking up after 5 seconds

sometimes changes itself to chinese on top of that

[tall pelican]

who knows, came into my shop originally with no display output and no post, found out why its not posting once we got display working

customer is getting a chad b550 master though, so Im not complaining

[sudden torrent]

Definitely a mobo replacement moment, might be a short on 5v

[tall pelican]

literally every custom build that comes into my shop with an asus mobo with hardware issues is a faulty mobo

like I had a gigabyte one come in, 5600x with a faulty soc/pcie

[sudden torrent]

I've seen a lot of flashback issues with them too

[tall pelican]

no, like I've legit had 5 faulty asus mobos in the past month

and Im at the point of wondering wtf asus QC is doing

[humble jay]

my friend RMA'd his maximus xii hero 3 times, still not sure if the replacement is working

😛

[tall pelican]

my current headache: Computer Model: Custom build Asus B550-F

bsods with any sort of cpu stress test

then just gets driver bsods while idle

oh, this one is fun: Computer Model: Prebuilt in thermaltake case | Serial: Asus Tuf on intel platform, according to customer, he heard a pop when he turned it on one day, and it hasnt turned on since

[humble jay]

[sudden torrent]

I assume you've already tested the PSU on that one

Because if it's not that there's only one thing it can be

[tall pelican]

havent gotten to it, but was going to test it while its inside a fire box

[sudden torrent]

Smart

Totally an accidental pun there. It probably is a thermaltake smart lol.

[tall pelican]

no idea, idk cases

[humble jay]

so

i have 2 12900Ks tomorrow afternoon

????

[sudden torrent]

8c24t?

That'll be a lot of fun I'm sure, assuming you have the new mobo ready too

[humble jay]

i don't

[sudden torrent]

Well you can comment on how large they made the chips at least lol

[humble jay]

true

the packaging also looks good

spent the $15 extra or whatever to not get tray

[lavish tundra]

@short blade 1T gdm off works at 1.5V

I think I have a really good bin

[short blade]

wow

I had to fiddle with so many settings to get 1t gdm off stable

you should test with more than just extreme1 for this though

0.9 cldo vddp for 1900 fclk

3800c14 1t gdm off at 1.5v with flat 24 ohm cad bus 60 procodt and auto rtts

me no understand

[lavish tundra]

Me good bin

U poop bin

Hah

[lavish tundra]

Yeah ill leave anta&arshia on overnight

[lavish tundra]

Imagine needing to work on ram oc and not having an orange mushroom to copy off of

Couldnt be me

[short blade]

I'm being bullied

[faint tangle]

Deserved

[sterile flame]

Good lol

[humble jay]

Quite large

Wanted to delid properly

[weary valley]

I hope to be picking up a 12900K when they release

[zenith palm]

Ohh I'm jelly, my wallet not tho lol

[sudden torrent]

Can't... Resist... Dad joke...
Hi jelly I'm peanut butter, we should stick together

[short blade]

what did I do :(

[lavish tundra]

LMFAO

Oh btw @short blade gdm off 1t failed anta&arshia

gdm on 1t seems to be passing

[short blade]

sad

[short blade]

try 1.55 vdimm, -70 MEM VTT offset

copy my clkdrvstr and rtts

[lavish tundra]

Hmm aight

tomorrow I shall

[short blade]

and my procodt

and my IMC voltages

leave the rest alone for now

[lavish tundra]

when i copied ur clkdrvstr and rtts pc no boot but im guessing voltage and mem vtt is needed to make it work?

[short blade]

possibly

you can try it

my settings are not guaranteed to work for you

[lavish tundra]

I need to flip a case fan to blow on my ram before I go for 1.55V tbh

[short blade]

what are your dimm temps now

[lavish tundra]

lemme check

[short blade]

rev. e doesn't start to care until above 60c

I'm gonna eat now

[lavish tundra]

hwinfo gives dimm temps?

[short blade]

yeah

[lavish tundra]

It seems my wam no hab temp sensor

[short blade]

oh

wait I think only the rgb ballistix does

rip

try downloading ballistix MOD and see if it does

[lavish tundra]

I did

it told me ballistix ram with temp sensor not detected

BUT

I might have a heat gun I can get my hands on tomorrow

one of those ir thingies

[short blade]

oh

I thought you meant a heat gun that blasts heat LOL

not a temp sensor

[lavish tundra]

bruh

so ig overclock waits till tomorrow

[short blade]

buildzoid did use a heat gun to blast heat on rev. e

to test the temp sensitivity

[lavish tundra]

welll

hes a madlad

im not

[short blade]

just take a blowtorch to it and see how long it takes to melt

then use that to calculate initial temperature

[dull ginkgo]

Hairdryer

[short blade]

[lavish tundra]

Instructions not clear multiple capacitors popped

[short blade]

[sterile flame]

apparently the average overclock on air for the 1660v3 on HWBot is only 4.3

we need more xeon overclockers 😔

and a bunch of the top 10 benchmark scores for different benchmarks were only 10 minute configs

[sudden torrent]

Not a lot of xeon boards that support overclocking

[sterile flame]

its a wasteland in there

what do you mean lol

well of course most OEM boards wont support OCing, but i mean buying an unlocked xeon to use with an off-the-shelf x79 or x99 board

like what im doing lol

[sudden torrent]

Off the shelf sure, but those are getting harder to find

[sterile flame]

not really

There are always x79 and x99 boards selling on ebay, and im not talking about the chinese ones

[zenith palm]

so sad

[worldly wasp]

hair dryer iirc

[short blade]

yeah

[proven canopy]

Should be .9 anyway, what was it auto?

[short blade]

should be 0.9?

I run 1.025

[proven canopy]

Yeah I thought .9 vddp was pretty standard

1.03/1.11 or lower vddg ccd/iod has worked well for me

This last week has been my first real experience benching amd anything, lol

[worldly wasp]

how cursed is cezanne

because my cezanne was extremely cursed

my "stability" was weird asf
i'd POST 4933, BCLK up to 5031, bench, then when i restarted, wouldn't POST again

had to clear CMOS every time

[proven canopy]

I'm on 39xx TR

[worldly wasp]

but when i benched 5031 it was decently stable

like GB3 stable

this is with vsoc yeeted to 1.5vsoc

i hate amd

[proven canopy]

Both chips/boards seem to wall at 4200mhz ram, not sure if that's a settings issue on my part

[worldly wasp]

desynced? could just be a board thing

[proven canopy]

3990x does 1900fclk no problem, 3970 seems to do 1866

[proven canopy]

Of course

[worldly wasp]

why you have both

baller

[proven canopy]

Didn't buy any of this for hwbot - but I'm definitely going to play with it while I can

[worldly wasp]

what did you buy it for

[proven canopy]

genshin, clearly

[short blade]

all I know is that I had it "stable" at 1.05 vsoc with 1v cldo vddp and vddgs

but was getting audio crackling

raised them all by 25mV and no more audio crackling

and the oc was still stable

[proven canopy]

My only "stability tests" thus far have been x265 , and sometimes geek3 or 7zip

I think 7zip should get global points, it's actually a useful metric

Limited to one windows core group though, but non-issue for almost anyone

[short blade]

I've done 6x extreme1, 2x anta x arshia, 1000% coverage/thread HCI memtest, 1 hr occt avx2 cpu, 1 hr occt avx2 mem, 1 hr occt sse mem, 3 hr linpack xtreme, and a lot of prime95 blend

it's for daily

[proven canopy]

Is there a way to change the min clocks in pbo?

I've been using manual oc for most things

[short blade]

what do you mean by min clocks

like prevent it from going idle?

you could just disable p-states

or set high perf power plan in windows

some people do that to make it easier for stable undervolt

I had to sacrifice a couple offsets because I didn't want to sacrifice idle

[proven canopy]

No, like it seems like the highest all core clock is 3600mhz with pbo limits maxed out

Yeah, I already force p0, or just use the ryzen power plan

I wrote this in another discord - figured it'd be useful to share here

Benching tips

Image your os with macrium reflect, there are other options, but I've had a great experience thus far

Use screenshot.exe to screen cap, I often keep the exe in a flash drive and put a shortcut on the desktop, the file saves to the flash drive.

Removing the user account password saves some time, same with the ctrl alt delete login requirement on server os, sometimes you'll need to use gpedit or netplwiz to allow that change

Disable UAC and use techpowerup's ocsnap to save cpuz/gpuz window position and reopen/move them with one click

A batch file with
shutdown /r /fw /t 0
will restart to bios without mashing delete, I also use a shortcut to automatically run it as admin

[short blade]

on the 3990x?

[proven canopy]

yes

Also on that chip - hwinfo seems to really underreport the power draw, either that or the vrm/psu/power plane are eating 600 watts

[short blade]

might just be the turbo limit of the chip

[proven canopy]

Yes, I think that's the case

[short blade]

better stick to manual I think

[sterile flame]

4.7GHz at 1.3V for a 1660v3/5960X is a good bin right? Checked siliconlottery.com and some other articles and it seems that's the case?

Plus Im on air so the cores are getting pretty hot, 76C at the coolest, around 90 on the hottest core

core temp differences are because of my cooler btw, the mounting sucks

[proven canopy]

Their binning criteria is kinda strange - tbh, for hwbot use case, just see what clocks you can do in r20, x265, ycruncher, the globals etc

[sterile flame]

btw, would 1866MT/s quad channel be bottlenecking my cpu at 4.7GHz in R15? Looking at scores on HWbot, there are scores for the 1660v3 around 1750-1830 though their CPus are at about 4.5GHz, and the highest score I've gotten thus far is 1814. @proven canopy

[proven canopy]

Probably not for any bench, cinebench doesn't care about memory at all

[sterile flame]

hmm so why might my score be lower

temps wouldnt cause that if it's not throttling right?

[proven canopy]

OS efficiency, all kinds of related tweaks

No

[sterile flame]

alright

[proven canopy]

Are you using benchmate?

[sterile flame]

No, it wont work with my system for some reason

[proven canopy]

What OS? Just post a screenshot

[sterile flame]

Im using W10 right now, but i was actually about to install w7

Im gonna try and see if it works fine on W7 of course

[worldly pecan]

pin

[proven canopy]

benchmate should almost always work out of the box in win10

Did you use the most recent installer?

[humble jay]

need this

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/visual-c-redistributable-runtime-package-all-in-one/

[proven canopy]

Just the 2015 x86 I think

The latter is for gpupi on cpu

At least for most chips, some stuff gets better effi in gpupi 3.3 on other versions

[sterile flame]

Oh yea forgot about that, thanks

for some reason im only just now getting into OCing, even though ive been into computer hardware since 2016 or so, when i was about 13 years old lol

having people who actually know what they're doing to give advice is really great

[proven canopy]

I only really started getting "serious" about it a few months ago

[sterile flame]

well hey, even if someone knows at least a little more than me, there's still stuff i can learn from them

[sterile flame]

@proven canopy benchmate still wont install, it's saying to verify that i have sufficient privledges to install system services

should i run it as administrator or something?

ok that was it, im an idiot

[proven canopy]

Sounds like your windows install is borked - just start fresh imo - have you gotten any $20 ebay bench sdds?

[sterile flame]

no i got it to work its fine lol

I actually just installed windows 7 pro btw

[sudden torrent]

I must have degraded my cpu. No matter what I try I can't get 1900 fclk stable. It was before. Should I settle for 1800 or try for 1866?
1800 straight 14 timings is 100% stable

[sterile flame]

what cpu?

[sudden torrent]

5800X

[sterile flame]

dang

[sudden torrent]

On X470

[sterile flame]

im no overclocking pro so i wont try to give any suggestions lol

[sudden torrent]

I've done everything I can possibly think of anyway, including cad bus and all that.

1900 always gets WHEAs but 1800 is rock solid. CL12 won't post. Maybe I could tighten other primary timings.

[tall pelican]

@proven canopy forgot if it was here or in my discord, but my z77 has 6 pcie slots, so ig I could have gotten another 710 to run 6 way gpupi

[proven canopy]

Lol, gotta get those 12? global points

Hasn't that one guy with 8 3090s in some supermicro server already wiped out all those rankings?

obscureparadox

[tall pelican]

I think hwbot only goes to 4 cards at a time though

nvm, looks like 12 2080tis still hold the normal gpupi records

the newer version (v3.3) is the 3090s

[modern walrus]

does tREFI matter on as much on AMD as on Intel? I can't find anywhere to enter a value for it on ASUS b500-f wifi & ZenTimings show anemic 14,829

wait nvm... found the answer cannot be changed on AMD

[worldly wasp]

[prisma arch]

what ram

[dull ginkgo]

I say try for 1866

[proven canopy]

What changed? Did you compare a zentimings screenshot before/after? Are the vddg ccd/iod, vddp, vsoc voltages any different?

[sudden torrent]

XPG Spectrix D50 4133 c19 1.45v, b-die in other words.

[sudden torrent]

Nothing changed, I just started having system crashes and tested my gpu, cpu, and memory. Everything passed except I was getting WHEA errors during memory test. Tried increasing voltages and changing bus timings, all that. Still got errors. Dropped down to 3600 straight 14 timings and no more errors.

[prisma arch]

do you think i can get similar results with 4200mhz cjr

[prisma arch]

c19

[sudden torrent]

8Gb or 16Gb?

[prisma arch]

16gb

is dual rank memory harder to OC

[sudden torrent]

It depends

What does thaiphoon burner say? And can you put up a pic of the white label on the sticks?

3800 c16 is quite possibly the best you'll get on ryzen, maybe 4200c18 on Intel

Don't go over 1.45v or you'll degrade it btw, it doesn't like voltage like b-die does

[proven canopy]

More QoL tweaks

[tall pelican]

Doesn't sound like cjr tbh

[dull ginkgo]

Djr perhaps

[latent wave]

Is it better to let msi afterburner automatically overclock or should I take the time and set an offset

[worldly wasp]

16gbit

could be CMR

[tall pelican]

they said its dr, much confusion

[worldly wasp]

ah

[tall pelican]

or just bad engrish causing confusion

I just know 4133c19 is not a cjr xmp

[proven canopy]

Country Cup 2021 info thread https://hwbot.org/competition/Country Cup 2021/

[sudden torrent]

All this confusion is why I asked for thaiphoon and label pics

[tall pelican]

thaiphoon tells you nothing that the label doesnt already tell you

[sudden torrent]

It doesn't hurt to have both so you're sure

[proven canopy]

Can always delid

[mellow granite]

if i wanted to overclock a 10400f how many more watt psu should i get?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6k4468

that is build, would i need to upgrade psu to overclock?

[proven canopy]

No

[short blade]

you can't overclock a 10400f sir

and even if you had an overclockable cpu the mobo doesn't allow overclocking

if you want to overclock focus on your RAM and GPU

I would recommend getting 650W just so you're sitting on a better spot on the PSU efficiency curve if you unlock power limits on the 10400, since it shouldn't cost much extra

but 550W is fine

[mellow granite]

oh

[prisma arch]

lmao

[lavish tundra]

technically

blck

but dont

it bad

can kill system for very lil returns

[short blade]

I mean yeah but if we want to be technical that's not really overclocking the 10400

that's overclocking the bclk which affects other things and just so happens to affect the 10400

[humble jay]

Is this a decent BCLK oc

145% OC

BCLK only linked to cpu/ring/mem for a while

[lavish tundra]

thanks. i hate it

+145 to blck

grr

[dull ginkgo]

I'm curious how the memory clocks look with that...

[barren ridge]

^

[humble jay]

It was cursed

So hard to boot

I tried 300 BCLK but it wasn’t liking it

I think that was 3466 mem

[lavish tundra]

thats just because 300 wasnt enoughhh send 500 and call it good

/s

[humble jay]

I can try with the 11900K rn

I give up on this 6900 for now

[lavish tundra]

dew it

[humble jay]

let's see

300 BCLK not happy

ok yeah i don't think i'm going to do any better

[worldly wasp]

why not

go into windows

and use the buttons

[proven canopy]

Why do you have a single qdc on the block?

I see most people put them both on the block itself, I have mine with about 50cm of tubing off the block, zmt is cheap

[tall pelican]

he has one on the block, the other a foot down the line

guessing for qdc to gpu

[humble jay]

yep

[proven canopy]

Makes sense

I want to just get a distro block + another d5 in series , would be nice to rig it all up on a mora in one piece like keep did

[worldly wasp]

i have a d5

that im down to sell

but its a little scuffed

[coarse rapids]

😮

The plug

[proven canopy]

Also, why only one 8 pin? I guess not needed on water, but might as well

[humble jay]

It’s the one 8 pin that concerned you and not the only having 2 out of 4 standoffs in the block?

Nah I was just unbricking my 6900XT and wasn’t concerned about actually benching

[proven canopy]

Haha, not the worst I've seen

optimus?

[humble jay]

Yep

[short blade]

[humble jay]

Don’t make me try and compete 😤

[short blade]

lol go for it i'm not sure what to expect out of tiger lake

i just oced the included 3200c22 ram instead of upgrading

[humble jay]

[short blade]

oof

you got a better cpu

what's your r23 cb?

[humble jay]

Let me run it

[short blade]

i'm thermally limited in that run

throttling to 4.32 all core

need to take the laptop out on a cold winter night

what kind of undervolt did you get?

[humble jay]

-87 mV

-60mV cache

[short blade]

oh wow

[humble jay]

Testing now

[tall pelican]

I should prob see what my 1165g7 does in aida

[short blade]

i did 100 mOhm AC/DC loadline, -45mV core, -50mV cache and SA

that's the best it can do

-20mV on igpu

[humble jay]

I don’t know how to make my laptop loud lol

Even now it’s perfectly silent

[short blade]

my laptop has a button combination that instantly cranks the fans to max

[proven canopy]

@humble jay So when are you getting a capture card rig?

[short blade]

11989

[short blade]

what wattage are you sustaining

[humble jay]

Right now I use my capture card as my monitor for my bench

[short blade]

i'm sustaining almost 100W before hitting thermal throttle

to get that 14757

[humble jay]

Let me run hwinfo

[rapid prism]

is that normal?

[tall pelican]

yeah, I do that too

[humble jay]

50W

[short blade]

oof

[proven canopy]

Isn't that pretty laggy?

Bench over rdp

[humble jay]

Not at all tbh

[proven canopy]

Do you use passthrough to another monitor? That's what I do, I meant the live view in obs is laggy

[short blade]

the 11900H is rated for a 300mhz higher turbo

must be a really good bin

i've already been really impressed with this 11800H

[humble jay]

I don’t, I just use the Windowed projector mode in OBS

[short blade]

200mhz higher base clock

[humble jay]

It’s actually perfectly silent

Guess they just optimized it for that instead of perf, which I’m happy with

[short blade]

lol can't relate

it is not easy to cool 100w sustained in a 15.6" laptop

dual 6600 rpm fans

plus external cooling pad

plus liquid metal

[humble jay]

[short blade]

consumes as much power as my old 5600x

[humble jay]

I tried taking mine apart once but struggled a bit, might try again later to swap the ram

[short blade]

but smashes it in performance

this one isn't too bad to take apart

my mom's dell laptop is the easiest laptop to take apart ever

it's got 8 captive screws, no hidden shenanigans, cover practically falls off by itself once you unscrew it

no need to pry super hard at dumb clips

this one there's no hidden screw shenanigans but the clips are a little annoying

[tall pelican]

[short blade]

worst laptop i ever had to take apart had proprietary screws

ended up using a precision drill to shatter them

[short blade]

jesus

[rapid prism]

you have like nothing on your pc

[tall pelican]

1 its a laptop that I use for work

[rapid prism]

o ok

[tall pelican]

and 2 its used solely to access 1 web page

[short blade]

hes got browser and microsoft teams

lol

thats all he needs

[rapid prism]

and it can run that fast?

[tall pelican]

its also a 13" with a 4k display

[short blade]

i... would not call that fast

[rapid prism]

for a work laptop thats seems fast to me

[short blade]

my work laptop has a 3070 in it

[humble jay]

You mean the mem speed

[short blade]

[humble jay]

It’s slightly bugged

[tall pelican]

just slightly

pretty sure its in gear 2 too

[humble jay]

Mine is

[short blade]

my aida read speed is higher than what the ddr4 oc guide says is the theoretical limit for 3200

wonder why

[rapid prism]

bruh i seen so much people with work laptop no way you need that 3070

[short blade]

it's very consistently around 53000

[short blade]

looks like it's just doubled

4267?

[tall pelican]

yeah

4266 lpddr4x

[short blade]

the last version of aida64 was not working very well on this laptop lol

1229 c63

insane 0ns latency

[humble jay]

New meta

[rapid prism]

going to cry from seeing a man that needs a 3070 for work

[short blade]

i mean...

some work needs much stronger gpus

😄

[rapid prism]

what do you need to render?

[short blade]

sometimes 4x 3090 isn't enough

[rapid prism]

what you doing dont lie to mean dont say mining

if you do not cool

[short blade]

lmao

[dull ginkgo]

Yes mining

[short blade]

i don't render on it

[rapid prism]

frick mining

[short blade]

this laptop is for work at work and gaming when i'm staying with gf

[dull ginkgo]

No u

[short blade]

and mining to pay itself back when i'm not otherwise using it

[rapid prism]

i got 14508 on cinebench sad

[short blade]

stock?

my 5800x is not a very good sample and will do 16.2k

[humble jay]

Tiger lake is so good

[short blade]

i had to beat the crap out of this laptop to hit 14757 lol

[rapid prism]

what gpu you have for your pc if your latop has a 3070

[short blade]

3080

[rapid prism]

......

MAN RICH

[short blade]

......

[humble jay]

Wanted alder lake for when I went to college, but at least I didn’t get a skylake laptop

[short blade]

i would have stuck with my comet lake laptop until alder lake

but i found such a nice used deal on this laptop

literally getting paid to upgrade

i had bought my i7-10750H 16gb 512gb 3070 (130W) 144hz laptop for 1700+tax

was happy with it

found this i7-11800H 16gb 1tb 3070 (140W) 240hz laptop for equivalent of 1265+tax

selling old one for 1600

[short blade]

am i still rich if i got the 3080 for below msrp

[rapid prism]

so you over payed....

[short blade]

what

how is below msrp overpaying lol

[rapid prism]

wait

WHAT

you got it below

how?

[short blade]

got it at msrp in a newegg bundle with a power supply

$30 bundle discount

proceeded to sell the power supply for full retail price

[rapid prism]

wish i could do that

[short blade]

lol, it was before shuffle existed

just clicked faster than the bots did

[rapid prism]

hmmm

thats to me seems not possible

[short blade]

i lost a chance to buy a different 3080 before that one

i got it in my cart

and newegg was like HEY BRO DO YOU WANT TO BUY SOME MASKS

by the time i closed that popup the 3080 was gone

[rapid prism]

lol

adds be like

dont you have add blocker?

[short blade]

i do but it wasn't an ad lol

newegg used to just always ask you if you want to buy masks at checkout

[rapid prism]

oof

[short blade]

the thing that made me even saltier was that i clicked "don't show again" on it before

but they still showed it again and screwed me out of an msrp 3080

[rapid prism]

well they be like that

[short blade]

cmon newegg i have like 100 masks at home + reusable ones i don't want to buy

just give me 3080

it worked out in the end tho cause if i got that one i wouldn't have gotten the one i have now

and the one i have now is a white model

that one was black

the rest of my pc is white sooo

[rapid prism]

well

you can all ways do a paint job

if your willing

[short blade]

lol

you're not wrong

[rapid prism]

but problem is

[short blade]

wonder how well the plastidip would hold up on that hot backplate though

gddr6x gets REALLY hot

[rapid prism]

or you can do liquid cooling

[short blade]

nah too expensive

[rapid prism]

and get white covers

[short blade]

i am poor

[rapid prism]

man says to expensive for a cooler when you buy a 3070 laptop and 3080

[dull ginkgo]

Time to hit hei up for a bykski kit

[dull ginkgo]

Custom loop gets very expensive tbf

[short blade]

i mean yeah id rather spend that money on more 3070s

this is air cooled

46C average in time spy

x)

25c room temp

[dull ginkgo]

Ln2 for the vram

[short blade]

im pretty sure i would actually burn myself if i pressed my hand on my 3080 backplate for 1 minute lol

those thermal pads are doing their job...

feels like the same temp as the vram itself

[dull ginkgo]

I mean, is 3dmark actually hard on vram?

[short blade]

even with the case closed if i put my hand near the graphics card area i can feel that the glass is hot

[short blade]

i meant mining for months straight

[dull ginkgo]

Ah

[short blade]

3dmark is not that hard on vram but

with the stock pads i still saw vram hit 104c in 3dmark

[dull ginkgo]

What about aftermarket pads?

[short blade]

never looked tbh

but the aftermarket pads dropped temps in mining by 42-44C at 100% fan speed

so i have to imagine something of similar proportion

[dull ginkgo]

Fair

[modern walrus]

okay so I'm really confused here. Before mem oc, I could push 180 amps for TDC/EDC & stay sub-80c on CB R23. After mem oc, I'm hitting 85c+ on CPU (Tctl/Tdie), Die (average), CCD1, & CCD2 even after reducing TDC/EDC to 155 amps & dropping PPT to 187w. Oddly, voltage stays virtually the same as pre-oc at about 1.288-1.294v under load. The only change I've made to the cooling system (loop) is upgrading a 360x27mm rad to a 360x67mm rad. The coolant temp sensor is reading 37c, about 6c better than before the rad change. Any idea(s) what the heck is going on? Only major change was 0 core offset (PBO still on w/ curve optimizer) compared to pre memOC of -.06250v core offset

[worldly wasp]

more ram speed

means

cpu is doing more stuff

[modern walrus]

heck

so just drop TDC/EDC until I find decent temps again?

[proven canopy]

Terrible mount following ek's direction of 1mm pads on both the power stages and chokes, trying again with .5mm on the chokes https://i.imgur.com/Zwe7zLn.jpg

[tall pelican]

first 5 words are self explanatory

[proven canopy]

Mainly pulled the block to remove the jetplate, seems really restrictive.

[modern walrus]

wait... you can pull the jet plate? well more like, pulling the jet plate is a good idea?

my video card block has this plexi plate that not only seems really restrictive, it gets condensation behind it & looks like trash but it also holds the jet plate in place. I'd end up with a pretty big pool of liquid there but maybe I'd see improvements & not have to worry about condensation creeping back in

freaking looks like there's mold on my GPU

[proven canopy]

It probably is when the chip pulls 1200w and takes 15 seconds to cool back down to idle temps

[modern walrus]

haha ya damn I'm nowhere near that

[prisma arch]

lol if i touched the backplate of my gpu while playing minecraft and rocket league at the same time with fans off i wouldnt have a hand anymore

[worldly wasp]

what pump you running?

no jetplate might affect perfromance

[proven canopy]

D5

[high grail]

https://i.imgur.com/BWsaHBI.png So, what else can I do to improve my RAM performance? @lavish tundra @short blade

[short blade]

interesting, rev. e

send 3600c14 at 1.5v and see if it's stable lol

[lavish tundra]

Yeah

[high grail]

You think my B450-A Pro can handle 1.5v on the RAM?

[short blade]

yeah

my $90 mobo handles 1.6v

why not

[lavish tundra]

3600 14 16 18 36

[short blade]

no

[lavish tundra]

at 1.5V

[short blade]

tRCDRD will not go below 18 lol

it's rev. e

[lavish tundra]

you see the 3rd number?

[short blade]

14-18-18-18-38

[lavish tundra]

Oh i missed number

nvm

heh

[short blade]

it's tCL-tRCDRD-tRCDWR-tRP-tRAS sir

[lavish tundra]

I WATCHED HORROR MOVIE OK MY MIND SCARED

[short blade]

i watched horror movie too

it's called xmp

[high grail]

Should I also work on my sub-timings? Or just focus on Main timings for now?

[lavish tundra]

bad sippy

[lavish tundra]

No wait shudup im right

[short blade]

?

[lavish tundra]

.

[short blade]

?

that says 16 tRCDRD

[lavish tundra]

no

3600 frequency

14 tcl

and so on

[short blade]

...?

what

tRCDRD comes after tCL

[high grail]

Gotta do a Windows Update...

I pray that the Steam Deck will make a lot more Steam Games run on Linux...

[lavish tundra]

3600 frequency
14 tcl
16 tRCDRD
18 tRCDWR
36 tras

[short blade]

...thats literally what i said LOL

tRCDRD will never go below 18 on rev. e

[lavish tundra]

and thats what i said too

[short blade]

your settings will not post

guaranteed

[lavish tundra]

3600 14 16 18 36

[short blade]

go try it yourself man

[lavish tundra]

im right

[short blade]

ive oced 4 rev. e kits none of them ever posted with tRCDRD below 18 at 1.6v

tRCDRD doesn't scale with voltage on rev. e

it's just 18

period

[lavish tundra]

OH RD AND THEN WR

RIGHT

I FORGOR

[short blade]

🗿

[high grail]

My RAM voltage is already 1.5 I'm dumb

[short blade]

no point desyncing them for an initial test anyways

just run 18-18

[lavish tundra]

fair

[high grail]

Alright, time to boot to Windows

[short blade]

i did my fclk testing at 3733/3800/3866/3933/4000 14-18-18-18-38

same timings for all

[lavish tundra]

4000 booted?

[short blade]

stable

no crash

but performance degradation

[lavish tundra]

degrade tho?

[short blade]

yeah

[lavish tundra]

ahh yep

[short blade]

it passed extreme1 and 3 hours linpack xtreme

but i was an idiot

[high grail]

I wonder if my 3600 can hit 1900Flck

[short blade]

and didn't test perf first

93ns moment

[lavish tundra]

I dont degrade at 1900 but 1933 is no boot

[short blade]

couldn't boot 2033

[high grail]

What do you perf test with for your ram?

[short blade]

even when i did full send on imc voltages

intel memory latency checker

aida64 is a meme now tbh

but it's fun

[lavish tundra]

TBH sippy im pretty sure my latency issue is because degradation

[short blade]

nah

[lavish tundra]

screw 1usmus

[short blade]

i think its just zen 2 vs zen 3 bro

i did some looking into it

[lavish tundra]

probably

[short blade]

your chip has 2 ccx

[lavish tundra]

yeah

[short blade]

so it's bound to have worse latency than 1 ccx chip

[lavish tundra]

oh right 5600x is single ccx

[short blade]

5800x

[lavish tundra]

5800x is double so hot

[short blade]

no

5800x is single ccx

and that's the reason it's hot lol

[lavish tundra]

wait thats whack

but makes sense

no wait

i knew this

[short blade]

5600x = 6 cores @ 100w in single ccx 2 cores disabled

[lavish tundra]

i think im drunk

[short blade]

5800x = 8 cores @ 142w in single ccx 0 cores disabled

5900x = 12 cores @ 142w in dual ccx 2 cores disabled each

[lavish tundra]

yeah no im heading out because my mind is seriously tripping rn

[short blade]

thats why 5800x is hotter

5900x more spread out

[lavish tundra]

im saying dumb stuff

[short blade]

even when you oc the 5900x to have higher ppt it's still lower W/core

[high grail]

Wtf, how do I use this memory latency checker?

[short blade]

i see my 5800x hitting almost 20W/core

[lavish tundra]

I know his smh

mind no work good

[lavish tundra]

maybe should sleep

[short blade]

run IMLC with this

[short blade]

what time is it over there

[high grail]

it's not even a proper exe or file.

[short blade]

you never seen a batch file?

🗿

[high grail]

https://i.imgur.com/9shbQ9n.png

[lavish tundra]

12:30

night time

[high grail]

I downloaded this from the Intel Website

[short blade]

alright idk what you downloaded lol

[high grail]

https://i.imgur.com/nUJN4P4.png

That's what I clicked.

[lavish tundra]

tgz

bruh

[short blade]

here

[high grail]

It's literally on the Intel website so IDK what crack intel is smoking.

[short blade]

feel free to virus scan it

lol

[lavish tundra]

tgz is for linux

thats a gnu zip

[high grail]

It's the ONLY file

[short blade]

its right here

[high grail]

I know

I'm just telling KPX that I had no other options

[lavish tundra]

you can still extract on windows

but yeah

[high grail]

So...

How long of a latency should I expect?

Or should I just post the results over time?

[short blade]

there's not as good data on imlc compared to aida64

hard to say

just check if your own numbers are improving or not

[high grail]

https://i.imgur.com/145K8mF.png That's what I started with after the first change you recommended.

So should I try for DDR4-3800?

[short blade]

try 3600 14-18-18-18-38 first

[high grail]

https://i.imgur.com/bGvzVsp.png

This is my current Zentimings

[short blade]

tras 38 was for a reason, sometimes tRAS below tRCDRD + tRP + 2 can cause performance loss

not always but sometimes

but yeah sure set vsoc 1.1 cldo vddp 1.05 vddg ccd 1.05 vddg iod 1.05 and send 3800 1:1

1.55 vdimm

if that procodt and rtts aren't manual, set them to those values manually (40 ohm, disabled, /3, /1)

[high grail]

Is vsoc also just CPU SOC Voltage?

I have the janky old-style MSI Bios

Because B450 on Ryzen 3000...

Also 1.55 Dram voltage is red on my bios screen

[lavish tundra]

no matter

1.55 safe on rev e

[high grail]

It won't make the magic smoke appear?

[short blade]

it's red because it's not safe on most dies

but rev. e and b-die can handle above 1.55

[short blade]

some people have reported dailying 1.7

yes

looks correct

[high grail]

Eventually I want to get around trying to OC my 3600

[short blade]

now set 3800 mclk 1900 fclk

[high grail]

I have Hella cooling overhead

Same 14-18-18-18-36?

[short blade]

tRAS 38

[high grail]

I also seem to be locked out of sub timings and turnaround timings

Idk why

[short blade]

you sure they aren't just hidden in drop-down menus

[high grail]

Yeah

[short blade]

I've done ram oc on a much older msi board

[short blade]

I even had access to the obscure timings nobody talks about

[high grail]

I tried clicking on them

[short blade]

let alone secondaries, tertiaries, and quarternaries

[high grail]

Nothing

[short blade]

scuffed

maybe it's locked down on pro series boards

[high grail]

It wasn't before.

[short blade]

I had an MSI z170a gaming m5 that let me change everything

[high grail]

Maybe a Bios update locked it for some ungodly reason.

[short blade]

try pressing right ctrl + right shift + left alt + F2 at the same time

that unlocks full overclocking bios on my MSI laptop

unlikely to do anything here

but why not

[high grail]

Nothing.

[short blade]

unfortunate board then

[high grail]

Maybe I need to do a Bios update or downgrade. I KNOW I had more than this on an older bios

Like, not joking I've done this before with this board. But with a different kit of ram

[short blade]

wack

[high grail]

Hmm

I wonder if the resizable bar update borked secondary timing changes.

Not that I can use Resizable Bar

Oh

[short blade]

probably not

[high grail]

It got moved

[short blade]

found them?

[short blade]

set tRRDS 4, tRRDL 4, tFAW 16

don't touch anything else yet

[high grail]

Wait

Wtf is 0Eh Clk for TCL?

[short blade]

hexadecimal

h means hexadecimal

[high grail]

For... 14?

[short blade]

0E means 14

[high grail]

Ah, good I'm not crazy.

[short blade]

very common to see a "b", "d" or "h" suffix denoting the number base

yup

now try booting

[high grail]

Forks

[worldly wasp]

what cursed bios is this

[high grail]

I got a Black Screen. Which I think is the new Bsod for Win 11

[worldly wasp]

M16FE, very nice. i wouldnt run rev e over 1.6

[high grail]

It had the QR code and everything

[worldly wasp]

do you have VTT control

you can do tRRDL 6

[high grail]

I need to do a 2nd boot to make sure Windows wasn't just joshing me

My first boot got a bsod

[short blade]

gonna let @worldly wasp take over he's more knowledgeable than I am

[worldly wasp]

i have to go

[short blade]

oh

well... lol

[worldly wasp]

[high grail]

Fork... I think I gotta reset cmos

[short blade]

try 3733 then

[high grail]

Uhhh... 3750?

I don't have a 3733

Oh

Nvm

What's the matching IF for that? 1833 or 1867?

Nvm math

[short blade]

1867

[high grail]

Crossing my fingers this boots

Oh shoot

I forgot to change voltage

[short blade]

lol oops

[high grail]

Oh, I fixed the timing page too

Looks like 3733 also isn't gonna fly.

Maybe?

Its trying to do Windows automatic repair

Lol

Yeah, 3733 isn't flying

3600 is the fastest this kit will go

So, how about delving further into the sub and turnaround timings?

Oh no.

Something else isn't happy now.

Dropped speed down to 3600 and it ain't happy still

Ok, I think Windows is ok now.

https://i.imgur.com/B2KDs9N.png Much faster compared to earlier.

[sudden torrent]

Make sure to run that repair script if windows failed to load like that

[high grail]

Which repair script?

[sudden torrent]

The one in the pins #windows-ios

It'll make sure none of your system files corrupted

[high grail]

Gotcha

Hopefully once the Steam Deck launches I won't be dealing with Windows anymore.

Looks like there was a little bit of corruption.

I guess for now until an expert comes in to help I'm gonna leave my RAM like this.

[sudden torrent]

I'm not exactly an expert like fitz but I'm competent. What's the issue?

[high grail]

I just want to get the absolute most out of my RAM

And right now it's looking like I can't go past 3600Mhz, which is fine. That's already 400Mhz faster than the kit's default.

[sudden torrent]

Did you figure out the die type already?

[high grail]

Rev-E

[lavish tundra]

Its rev e but not a great bin

lowish bin rev e

[high grail]

Which is still better than the AFR I used to have

[sterile flame]

mmmmmm copper

[sudden torrent]

Rev e should be great for overclocking, but infinity fabric might be your issue

[sterile flame]

Oh wrong side of the cpu

[high grail]

I wasn't able to boot at 3733 and 3800

[sterile flame]

mmmmmmm copper

[high grail]

You think my IF can't go past 1800?

[lavish tundra]

maybe

[sudden torrent]

Not without some voltage tweaks at least

Is it a fairly new cpu?

[high grail]

Nah

It's been running for... 2 years now?

[lavish tundra]

thats it

[sudden torrent]

Yeah higher IF might have some issues, mine's started degrading already with conservative overclocks running at 1900 and it's less than a year old

[lavish tundra]

falcie older zen 2 cpus struggled to hit 1900

1800 might be the hard limit

recent zen 2 cpus do it no problem usually

[sudden torrent]

It's zen2? yeah that's it

[high grail]

3600

[sudden torrent]

Yeah I had to scroll up to your zentimings screenshot, 1800 is probably the limit

[high grail]

K

So it's time to crank timings

[sudden torrent]

You should be able to do cl14 at around 1.5v or so, probably not cl12 without a lot more voltage

[high grail]

https://i.imgur.com/jevRbJC.png

Current Zentimings

[sudden torrent]

Should be able to do 14-8-18-14-34 at around 1.5-1.55v even on a bad bin

[high grail]

That sounds... REALLY tight.

[sudden torrent]

It might, but there's a good chance it'll work

RCDWR can usually go to the minimum on rev e, it doesn't do much anyway

So 8 isn't unheard of

[lavish tundra]

14-8-18-14-34 little too tight tbh

try 14-12-18-14-34 first

if stable drop further

[sudden torrent]

Fair, and like I said RCDWR doesn't have much impact on performance anyway

RFC you can do 540 to start

Can probably tighten that a bit later

[lavish tundra]

thats again tight for some rev e

[sudden torrent]

300ns is tight?

[lavish tundra]

tweaking required sometimes yeah

560
200
150
should be fine and can work down from that

Better bins can do 550 or so without an issue

but yeah best to work down

[high grail]

So what should be set to 560?

[lavish tundra]

those are trfc1, 2 and 4 in order

[sudden torrent]

tRFC 2 and 4 don't really matter, that's why the 1/2/4 one exists

[lavish tundra]

eh i never use 1/2/4

[sudden torrent]

It saves you from needing to calculate all 3

[lavish tundra]

I use a very nice tool

for the calculations

[sudden torrent]

DRAM calc?

[lavish tundra]

hes called sips bleach seductively

[sudden torrent]

lol that works too

[high grail]

It uhh... It didn't boot

My less than helpful error light is giving me a "CPU" Error

[lavish tundra]

increase all the 3 values by 10

or 20

keep going till you boot and then drop by like 5

[sudden torrent]

Or leave RFC on auto for now and we'll get there next

Should probably see if it's stable before you get into secondaries like that

[lavish tundra]

true

TM5 extreme anta time

fun!

anyway I sleep

falcie got dis

[high grail]

Sadly my Bios is so lobotimized that I can't save settings to the BIOS itself.

[sudden torrent]

G'night rawr

[high grail]

I think step 1 is trying 14-12-18-14-34 to see if that boots

[sudden torrent]

Yeah, and test if it's stable too.

[high grail]

Yeah... It no boot

[sudden torrent]

Try 1.55v VDIMM

[high grail]

Already done

I was running 1.55v in the first place

[sudden torrent]

0.95v VDDP, 1.0v VDDG

1.1v VSOC

[proven canopy]

Switch the rcd's

[sudden torrent]

Oh hi forks

[high grail]

So switch 12 and 18?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[high grail]

Nooo, I got a Memory Overclocking Fail error from the MB

I'm a dumb

I forgot to set voltage

[lavish tundra]

Rev e wont do 12 trcdrd

[high grail]

Its attempting to boot

[lavish tundra]

You can try but i highly highly doubt itll boot

[high grail]

I'm in Windows

[lavish tundra]

Wot

Zentimings

Pls

[high grail]

At 14-18-12-14-34

[lavish tundra]

Send zentimings pic

[high grail]

Oh lol

It did boot at 12 trcdrd

And I got Zen timings up

[lavish tundra]

Huh

[high grail]

But then it froze

[lavish tundra]

U sure its rev e

Im confuse

[high grail]

https://i.imgur.com/4IRQMro.png

https://i.imgur.com/oixtCJA.png

[lavish tundra]

Yep trcdrd 18

That makes sense

[high grail]

Oh

So 14-18-12-14-34 is actually an 18 tRCDRD