#overclocking
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I mean that would be cool & all but very unlikely
When OC GPU, how long do I have to run Furmark before I can say okay cool it's stable & bump it up some more?
Ehh I'd give it 1 mins
okay cool thanks
ya, was crashing within 5 minutes of tm5 for tcl, trcdrd/trcdwr and trp
tras I might be able to tighten, but I got tired of touching any primaries and it crashing so I just let it to xmp
Fair that's rough
I'm starting to think a custom loop with a 3070 is kinda unnecessary. I've crashed a couple times but I've never gone over 58 degrees
Yeah it is lol
You could have taken the 3070 out of that sentence and it still would have been valid lol
I mean the rear rad that the hot water coming out of the GPU hits is basically a space heater
My temp gauge inside the pump hasn't even passed 40 degrees
I probably should've done the custom loop on the 10900K since that thing is a microwave
oh wait wait wait
Lol
just hit 60 degrees 5 minutes into a burn-in on Furmark 8x mSAA on 4k
average 83fps
well... it looks nice at least
Can Ryzen 9 do all core 50 ratio?
5900x
Do you have to flash CMOS everytime your OC doesn't POST?
basically
Plenty of high end boards have a safeboot button
also a decent amount of boards with dedicated clear cmos button
Lord and savior gigabyte z590's reset button can be set to safeboot
My MSI board would freeze, I'd kill power, then it would boot into bios like it was all good
It's so strange to me that you can set Core ratios to like 45.75. It had to be a whole number on Intel
what's even a high OC on Ryzen? 4.75?
HWiNFO shows Core 0-11... Is there no like hyper-threading? shouldn't it show like 24 cores?
Browse hwbot subs for the chip
finally got sub 55 ns
what's that?
Is there a "typical" degradation voltage for that chip? I know it's kinda chip specific
oh really? under load tho right?
I don't see a vrvout on HWiNFO. SVI2 is the next best option?
yes
do not do manual cpu oc on Ryzen if you are a gamer
Really I just wanna see how well my cooling loop does
only for workstation tasks
It's kinda academic
who says you can't stress your cooling with pbo
if you are a gamer manual oc will significantly decrease performance
can be the difference between 5.1ghz and 4.4ghz
oc your gpu instead
oc your ram if you are a masochist
I see. RN I'm at 4.75 all core and SVI2 is pushing 1.288. Max thermal 79.8
but to heck with this
I'm gonna break something
1.288v has a high chance of being dangerous
under a proper load that will degrade most zen 2/3 cpus over time
I've built 20 ryzen systems and only one was safe to go up to 1.3
This is so much different than 10900K lol
Is ASUS performance enhancement worth enabling?
umm
I am not familiar enough with asus to know if that is core enhancement setting (good) or auto overclock (bad)
just turn on PBO
What's TPU I v. II?
ya I wish I got an AORUS for this one like I did with my 10900K tbh
LLC should be auto like everything else then?
for pbo? yes I think so
hmm okay. This kinda takes some of the fun out of this build lol
max out pbo limits, run p95
i mean
you can absolutely do manual oc and benching for fun
just run pbo daily afterwards
i do that on ryzen systems when i am bored
ahh okay
unsafe voltages are fine to run for short benches
I don't see like a straight up option for PBO
If I do restore optimized defaults will it be on you think?
lol heck
on gigabyte and asrock it's advanced > amd overclocking
oh ya I saw that
pbo is in amd overclocking
set it to advanced
limits motherboard
leave scalar auto
boost clock override +200mhz
leave thermal throttle auto (it's 90)
nothing with curve optimizer?
then run prime95 small ffts avx on and watch your custom loop sweat
you said you wanted full stress on your cooling
prime95 is crazy lol
curve optimizer reduces heat load
ya that'll do it
okay it's disabled
i've heard corecycler is a good tester for curve optimizer on top of just running p95
since issues with undervolts can also manifest at low loads
okay I put those settings you said & turned off ASUS performance enhancement
rather than just hammering it at 100% all the time
alright well I'm gonna F10 & see what happens
i don't actually know what asus performance enhancement is
probably long-term damaging crap so they can pump numbers up for sales type stuff
i only have one asus board and i havent overclocked on it
Lol yeah, see: buildzoids vids on intentionally trying to degrade his 3700x, tl;dr it's hard
The hard part is putting the magic blue smoke back into the chips
how many USB devices can work on one header?
do it on a wraith stealth too
all these darn Thermaltake boxes. They work fine for awhile then 1-2 will end up coming on on default rainbow mediocre speed setting
oh in case anyone cares
I read that on the 28th supposedly anyone on Windows Insider dev will get to download 11
Is this your daily?
I saw - I just assumed it wasn't because obviously not bdie
yeah it's daily
1.55v
seeing now if i have headroom to lower it
but arshia says 1.55v is fine daily for rev. e
I've heard of people daily'ing higher for long enough that it should be fine*
I think alatron dailies/daily'd 1.6
I'm curious as to whether the subtimings are sensitive to heat
my dimm temps are around 55C after running tm5 for 9 hours straight
with 100% gpu load
a lot of my subtimings couldn't budge
but overall i am satisfied
this pc is mostly comprised of r/hardwareswap deals
got crucial ballistix white rgb brand new for $85
couldn't argue with the price
and seller knocked off $10 on the o11 dynamic since i bought his ram too
$100 o11 dynamic
don't think b-die has enough higher perf to justify paying like $50+ more
Depends on your gaming use case + monitor tbh
What cpu?
5800x
prime95 running. computer sounds like an airplane but thermals holding at 82 degrees
5900x
Crazy good or crazy bad?
slowly climbing tho. 83.8 now
lol the little spinning flow indicator thing is going so fast it's like invisible
10 minutes in. 84.3
I've never actually done this test that it hasn't crashed the computer
not this computer my other one
okay I'm stopping this before a pipe blows out of a connector or something lol
I guess it did max out around 85-86
yes
ah
Top/side
/rear
Which AIO defeats prime 95?
I can fit one of those 120x38mm & I have 2 more 120x25mm crazy fans I'm putting on my lf2 AIO on my other build to see if I can finally stay cool enough to get thru prime95
That thing is supposed to push 212cfm. I hooked it up to a power supply today & at full blast it started hovering off the desk
So umm @orchid flame a few days ago you suggested this
I cant find scls in zentimings or the bios tho
So which value is that exactly
tRDRDSCL
tWRWRSCL
I see thanks a ton!
TM5 keeps saying that
Im opning as admin
also keeps not starting memory manager
any clue how to fix?
happens only when running extreme anta as an admin
@south sky I am once again asking for your expert advice
Is there any disadvantage of not starting TM5 as admin?
Dont start as admin kek
Aight Im just gonna not start it as admin so no errors at launch
Done
So the issue is a non issue?
pretty much
ah aight thanks a ton again!
212 cfm #1
Is there any reason I can't just splice this instead of buying all these sata/molex conversions?
well it worked fine. The problem now is the push fan is so freaking intense it's spinning the pull fan way faster than it's designed to be spun & sometimes it vibrates as a result lol
Cracked 17000 on CB R23 for the first time; max thermals are down 1 degree; and the volume is up like 9000%
on the fence about whether it's worth it lol
Arshia by vsoc is that vcore or something because in bios my soc voltage is set at 1.1v so idk if it just caps at 1.085v or something or if it's a different voltage
Bios i had it set to 1.1v idk i wasn't 100% sure which voltage i was supposed to change, do you think it's just zentimings misreading soc voltage?
set soc voltage to 1.125
Everything will experience some level of vdrop, not everything has built in LLC, even if it does, doesn't necessarily mean actual voltage will = set voltage
Arshia wanted it to be 1.25v from what I can tell..?
Although I thought soc didn't really matter on Zen 2 above 1.15v
1.125
Is okay i feel ya 

is corecycler a good testing software for curve optimizer?
Whats the max safe OC on a R7 5800X??? Just wondering. I upgraded from the R7 3700X and currently have the same OC settings but noticed the Temps are lower on the 5800X than the 3700X. Get around 58c/ 136f at full load when benchmarking
@proven canopy @dull ginkgo Any Ideas
Test and find out for yourself? 1.25v
I have Voltage set to Auto
I had to lower the FCLK from 1400 to 1366 cause Win 10 wasnt stable
Update: the air flow coming out of the push fan caused the pull fan to catch its own housing and jam. Flipped it over & disconnected power to motor. RGB still good lol
now the push fan spins it lol
Thats a crazy setup but if it works it works
I can fit one more but a 3d one won't fit because of the CPU power cables. I set the fan curve so it's at like 20% until the CPU hits 55+
Is there such thing as auto-overclock for RAM besides XMP?
I'm afraid that other fan is just gonna fly off at some point lol
not really, until you're familiar with your imc and ram
Which benchmark are you using? 58c sounds low for a 5800x
@robust aurora Cinebench R23
I do run a 240mm Rad with 1800 RPM 120mm Fans
I have 3 120mm fans pulling air in and the only exhaust fans I have are on the RAD
ehhh
if it was a 3700x copy OC not really
Yeah all I did was reset my OC settings from my 3700X
Thats cause I knew my motherboard LIkes them
Not sure If I would get any performance gains though by going higher than that though even with the 5800X
Gonna leave this here because Fitz knows: #overclocking message
Basically, just turn on PBO for best performance.
@tall pelican Make a zen2/3 Oc guide post and I'll pin it
3600/x: manual oc to 1.25v
everything else: pbo
if you have zen3: curve optimizer
@robust aurora No 4.0ghz is my OC with the RAM set at 3000mhz XMP
4.0 on a 5800x?
Sheesh thats crippling the perf of the 5800x
all 5800x chips cant do 5ghz right?
no, you lowered the turbo clock
4.9 is fairly common
I dunno Win 10 reports 4ghz as the clock speed
yes, win10 will report 4.0 as the current clock speed because that's what you set it to
Right
^
I dont wanna push it to far as it is a brand new chip
base clock is irrelevant
base is just what manufacturers use to get tdp
It was at 38.00 in the BIOS when I first installed the chip
You arent pushing it too far if you use it as is
ASUS TUF Gaming X570 Plus WiFi for my motherboard
its designed for that
set the clock ratio to auto
I need the clock speed but without thermalling the crap out of it
usually 5900x good bins doing that
I did get mine from Best Buy LOL
Even if it thermal throttles, it wont fall below 4ghz unless you have really really bad cooling
Exactly
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240mm RAD with 1800rpm 120mm fans
lol
@tall pelican LMFAO
Good thing I bought Mine ONline with my Best Buy Credit Card
models are a lot more important
02Cool
what?
That does NOT look like a good rad
also you have a custom loop?
since that isnt an aio?
Yeah Custom Loop and I had the brand wrong
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Thats the one I got
Had to look back in my Order History
I had a 120mm OCool Rad but I upgraded to a 240mm when I got the new case I have
What pump are you using?
I dont remember anymore what brand it is
anyway ur loop should be able to handle a 5800x at PBO 0 issues
Knowing myself probably the same as the RAD
Probably since I do have a Resovoir on the loop
I still dont get why Win 10 was acting funny at 1400 FCLK
but is stable at 1366 FCLK
XMP is enabled
dont touch anything else
you are crippling your perf by locking it to 4ghz
also keep flck in 1:1 dont change it
Keep EVERYTHING auto except xmp
What settings should I change then
Just reset the bios to default and enable xmp
pls tell me
@dense turtle check manufacturer website that will show any bios updates
ok thx
@lavish tundra thats the load optimized defaults key
Thats what you want to do lol
Does this pertain to overclocking?
i would like to overclock but im scared of what it will do, i dont wanna lose the gpu
other than that yes
i want to overclock to increase my fps and stuff
Gpu oc is done through software like msi afterburner. BIOS is for the cpu
well my cpu could also use a overclock
If its a ryzen system you can oc the gpu through ryzen master if I remember correctly
I forget what intels version is for oc the cpu.
I really feel like you shouldnt be giving instructions lmao
@quartz wraith technically he can with a ram OC in the bios. It does a soft overclock of the cpu. I did that with a HP pc I had when I owed the ram in the bios it increased the core speed a small amount on the cpu
xmp profile is on
Not unless he has a b560 board or a z490 or a z590
also it does not OC the cpu at all
@quartz wraith this was a HP pre-built that was designed for win 7
You arent even pinging me lmao
KEKW
also dont ping me
that guy comes like 'huh'
Im already checking messages
Yeah my bad my phone is a POS
anyways how do i go about overclocking without blowing up my pc
What motherboard?
h310m pro vh plus msi
not even gpu?????????
can i unlock? or no
Hardware lock
chipset doesnt allow you to oc ram or cpu
might as welll do the gpu
Ok I just wanna ask something here. What was the first pc you ever did anything with rawr??
Cause for me it was a Commodore 64 back in the late 80s
how is this relevant
my lil bro was pulling off pins off of a old intel cpu, that he found im my cupboard
Dam
at that time it was new af
I remember the days when OCing a 400mhz cpu to 600mhz was the thing to do
C.Viper did you reset the bios?
Yes I did
i wanted to build my own pc and i kept it in my cupboard and he just ruined it Sadge
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Its called DOCP on asus boards
I know from my b450 board that xmp setting 1 is 3000mhz for my ram
F7
Yeaj thats 3000mhz I already knew that thats why I manually set it in Ai Tweaker
Yeah never do that
Always use xmp/docp
It sets other timings as well as the voltage
Not just frequency
Current cpu temp in bios is 51c and mobo is 39c
Normal
Ok so now what set pbo to enabled?
Auto is fine
So do I set the fclk or leave it?? Cause the last time I used the built in OC tuner I was at 4.2ghz at 3000mhz on the ram but I know I can push the ram to 3200mhz at 1.5v
auto
There is a real chance that you can kill your ram with 1.5V
unless ofc you have something like B-die
that you 100% dont
since its only a 3000mhz dimm
8gb sticks on thaiaphoon yeah?
4 8gb sticks yes
Thats C die
I have 32gb of ram
You have c die
negative scaling past 1.35V
you can try 3600 18 20 20 20 40 at 1.35V if you want
Might not run tho if uve been running the ram at 1.5V for a while
Ram hasn't been ran at 1.5v for quite some time now.
Only ran it at that for like a week
Back when I first got it
worth a try to do this then
I lowered it using the guide pinned in the channel for zen oc
auto
Ok. Anything else to change
DRAM voltage right? not SOC or cpu
Right dram voltage is 1.35v
The vddcr cpu voltage is at 1.472v but thats on auto
http://testmem.tz.ru/tm5.rar
Thats tm5
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uegPn9ZuUoWxOssCP4PjMjGW9eC_1VJA
Thats the config you want
download both in windows
download and launch tm5
load config and exit
choose the extreme anta config from where you downloaded it to
Helps to remember to set the csm so its not trying to boot into a raid config
Well so far so good. Its booting into win 10 now with the settings in the bios
that really means nothing
How long is a typical test
Why so long os is that cause of the amount of ram I have??
Ah
Send me a screenshot of TM5 btw
Ah
I know with being a graphic designer I need ram amount and cpu speed for rendering. I know that ryzen runs more efficiently with ram speed over amount
3600 cl18 is a big bump over 3000cl16
true
Kinda proud of myself
Very clean solder
Do we want to know what you did???
I wanna
Same cause that looks like a gpu board to me but I could be wrong
Thats a gpu PCB yes
Evc for 6900xt
Ooooo new Radeon card nice
I see
Look up 5700xt ref vs 5700xt 50th edition pcbs
External voltage control
Ah ok. Easier to overvolt or undervolt the gpu then
elmor's tweak?
Yeah
Oh, amd cards can bypass power limits no issue
Its seen 550+ watts in furmark already
Just drops to like 1.0v from the 1.175 its supposed to get
Just voltage
I'm assuming that's good numbers in hwinfo
I see
Regardless VERY nice job on the tweak
Extremely clean solder job
better than 4ghz locked lol
Cpu temps are low for running at 4.7ghz
It is a closed custom loop tbf
I can tell you pbo limits if you want to see 90c+
My buddy sees 90c on his 5800x but thats cause he's in a warm room so that doesn't help since the ambient temp is higher than where my pc is at
Hehe
20 minutes in and no errors on the mem test
Ah
C die sees negative scaling past 1.35V btw
so you get more perf at 1.35 than at like 1.45 or so
Makes sense. Some dies handle lower voltages better than a higher voltage where others need a higher voltage to sustain the same performance
According to AI Suite cpu is at 4.8ghz
And cpu is only at 116f
Cpu package is at 138f
please stop putting temperatures in f
Sorry Thats what I have it set to since I live in the US
most of us live in the US
I dont know the conversion between f and c
regardless pretty much everything reports temps in c
I set AI SUITE to tell me everything in f
Plz just let software measure in celcious
HWmonitor shows me both
It's better for you, it's better for us, its nicer to comprehend in terms of what temps matter
use hwinfo64
Hottest my CPU has gotten in the memtest is 87c
hwmonitor is terrible for ryzen
if you're hitting 87c cpu in a memory benchmark something's wrong with your cooling
...custom closed loop?
Yeah
there's no such thing
I built it myself. Not using an AIO
that's an open loop then
and something is seriously wrong with your custom loop if you're hitting 87c in tm5
my 5800x is chilling at like 35c in testmem5 and I don't have a custom loop
(closed loop means you bought it, it came as a closed loop you don't open)
closed means closed in the factory
Well Considering my CPU is hitting Full Speed in tm5 I would think that the CPU would heatup some
no point using closed/open to describe the actual current state of the loop because if your pc is running with the loop literally open then it's not going to be running for long
Hitting full speed... ..?
Thats just the max it hit was 87c
currently at 64c probably when I was doing a few things while the test was running is why it ramped up the heat
alright nvm I put on tm5 and it's running 48-50c all core
fans are pretty low
what radiators do you have
87c at low load sounds like a mounting pressure issue
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I made this a while ago for a different purpose, but different benchmarks hitting the CPU with 100% load can have vastly different results
https://youtu.be/HzN7OAW7xZs
Started with p95 blend, then p95 small fft with 4.2ghz 1.3v on a 3800x.
I did put a load on it for a little bit running a few other programs at the same time as the test so that could be why I see that
uhh
No Games
running other programs alongside tm5?
Just run some proper stress test
Well I do have 32gb and it was showing over 1.5gb available for the longest time
Prime95 smallfft to see the heat, and maybe watch it throttle
if it's just a 240mm rad it will throttle custom loop or not
even 360mm is not enough to tame an undervolted 5800x in small ffts avx lol
Ryzen 7 5800X
at 1.25V I instantly hit 90C with 360mm rad
Corsair Vengence LPX DDR4 3000mhz Ram that has been OC to 3.6ghz
pog
Smallfft avx off might work, but might not be as much heat as say, dunno, occt CPU test with small dataset and avx off
rawr suggested running tm5 with the extreme config to test the stability of the RAM at 3.6ghz
small ffts is actually not a good bench for curve optimizer though
small ffts avx on was stable at -20 all core
now using corecycler to run huge ffts avx off on 1 core at a time
and -20 isn't even close to stable
I've had to increase core 0 all the way to -12 so far
I think we're at a point where CPUs have behavior towards smallfft as GPUs towards furmark, throttling to hell.
well
specifically for undervolting, small ffts is not a good test
cause you can have it stable all day at max load but then crash opening firefox
rip
thats crazy
UV weird
I would say so
But kinda makes sense
yeah it's much more tedious than manual oc but it's the best way to get performance boost out of ryzen
Sad, I'll probably never bother with it
Probably have to have massive cooling for that with a decent OC setting
Zen 3 things
the others cap out around 4.9
5800x is a great chip
I'm happy to have gotten it for so cheap
literally the same price as my old 5600x
I paid 450 for mine
I can't expect much out of my chip, and my next chip will probably actually be an Intel chip...
5800x MSRP is dumb
I paid 313 for mine
Where did ya find it at that price
r/hardwareswap
ah
Bleach is just demonmit 2.0 now
nah I think demonmit would have done my build for $200
Jeez How?? JUst my motherboard, CPU, GPU, and RAM alone are over 1k
it's a joke
demonmit is a user here who is well known for getting mind boggling deals
I mean
its 3:30am where I am
xd
Same time zone is nice
although demonmit mainly deals with previous generation hardware
I've gotten some demonmit tier deals myself lately
i5-6600K + MSI Z170A GAMING M5, originally $50 but my friend owed me so I got it for free
Yea
i7-4770K + ROG MAXIMUS HERO Z87 + 2x8 2133c11 for $100
xeon e3-1241v3 + ASUS Z87-K + 4x4 1600c10 for $47
Intel needs to completely revamp xeon naming
i7-8700K + ASRock Z370 Extreme4 + 2x8 trident z 3000c15 for $230
it's basically an i7-4780F
hm this got off topic
No, I mean how they deal with naming xeons
Xeons are Easy To OC with the right Board
And how the segment the xeons
the xeon I have cannot oc
Ouch
meh
Xeons are basically Server Based CPUs
I took a look at more recent xeons and their naming scheme and such, and damn does it sound annoying
single core similar to ryzen 1000
Better imc I assume
comes with an actually decent intel stock cooler
back when they used to have copper cores
and you could actually OC on them
Impossible, it must always be cheap coolers that can't keep the cpu from throttling
they used to bundle stock coolers with K skus
Sounds hot
Intel Coolers have always sucked cause they dont cool enough to keep the CPU from Thermal Throttling. I had that issue with a i5
It is on modern chips from what I can tell
well yeah
Oh yea it used to be better
but im talking about quad core 22nm with much lower heat density plus the stock coolers had copper
Yea
I'm still extremely interested in the next step in chip design though
It seems to me the next logical step is stacking cores vertically, and that's going to be extremely interesting effects on cooling the chip
people managed to oc 4790k to 4.5ghz on stock cooler
Damn
I wonder if they will make micro heatpipes if they do that so that the heat dissipation from overclocking spreads every across the heating of the chip
Omg I hate my phone
Every should be evenly and heating should be heatsink
that's what the IHS is for lol
Integrated Heat Spreader
well that and protecting the silicon from breaking
What we're doing now is connecting memory modules vertically (v cache) with Thru-silicon-vias, but I do wonder if that dummy substrate could be swapped for something that's more conductive of heat
Didnt you break that part
I like saying break cpu as well now
Hehe
I'm too tired now, don't even remember what tsvs cross
Might even be a dumb interposer
Hey so no issues after 1.5hrs
But I'm going to bed since that test is done. Yeaj tm5
Did it complete tho?
It did
did it pop up the window at the end
Send a pic of the message
saying test complete no errors in broken english
I've already shut down the system
but did you get the message
Yeah
ok good
Sippy
I watched tm5 run through cycle 2 with no errors
went to bed assuming it would be fine
It was going to be stable
in the morning I got back to the PC and windows was gone
you never know
did you run sfc + dism
Yep
I automated it in a batch file
I get that sometimes where when I click on something it doesn't respond. I just restart the system and its fine
It fixed it
ran it a couple hundred times during ram oc process lol
Might be useful as a pin
I just didn't want to keep looking up the exact syntax for dism cause I don't remember it
The restorehealth flag on dism and sfc /scannow right?
I don't remember man
I see
I'll probably get back out of bed for a bit once gf falls asleep
not tired enough to sleep yet
my sleep schedule is messed up
Ahaha i sleep after 3am just to sync up with some friends in Europe
timezone moment
Thanks sippy
Ily
Mebbe pin it so other people can use as well
Its related to OC and also kinda an important step
That's a super low fclk
Stock isn't pushing the chip far lol you just straight up underclocked it lol
Think their ram is 3000mhz ;-;
continue reading
Make sure you do an soc voltage of 1.1v if you do rawrs recommended overclock
Brand of paste doesn't matter hugely tbh
no need
auto is A-OK
General fix for random windows problems
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sfc /scannow
If that doesn't work, try:
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dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
Then, try running sfc again.
Repeat as necessary
yee I know
Neverrr
watch me punk
Okay i didn't think i was that behind on chat at that point lol

That's probs why arshia recommended 1.125v then for me lol
3867 needed 1.15
I think the ddr4 oc guide says >1.1v rarely if ever helps
so that's not true
It was true for zen, zen+ and most of zen2
Zen3 scales well with voltage since the if doesn't just die off
So you think i should keep 1.1v for my r5 3600? Since zen2
just do what works
thanks :)
i was running tm5 and this happened
do you guys think my oc was the issue?
this is the OC it crashed on
Very likely
thats what i thought but i hope not :(
mb the extra voltage will help as arshia recommended 1.125 soc instead of 1.1 but idk
Ur wammy just bad
i have better primaries tho 😛
Mine doesnt bsod tho
sad
can a ram person give me some advice pls
@tall pelican would you be able to give me some advice on this crash i had, 99% sure was because of mem oc
have you tried increasing vdimm
even if you got your primaries stable at 1.35, there are some timings that have voltage scaling
wait
Vdimm is mem Voltage right? I haven't as I'm over at the gfs place atm but i remember i had to do 1.375v before iirc?
you have c-die
Ye
Just double checking as it's called mem voltage in bios
is that tCWL auto?
Ehhh lemme check what i changed
Tcwl i think i set to 16 manually but i cannot see it in zentimings
Yeye i set tcwl 16
you have it at tCL - 2 that's pretty tight I think
could try setting it to 18
or seeing what auto does
my auto sets it to 14 (tCL) and I can't tighten it from there
Wait sorry what?
@short blade i think you mistyped a timing
Ohhh
Okay I'll try 18 when i get home
but yeah I'd see if tCWL 18 still crash
Thanks much appreciated 
Thanks
We shall know on Monday... I have switched back to xmp while my rig is anyway so no worries about crash, or if crash big worries :o lol
indeed
I cannot remember where i was told to do tcwl 16
Ddr4 guide i think actually
Yep

I mean that's tCWL = tCL
you have tCWL = tCL - 2
that guide is written kind of assuming that a better IC is in use
Yeye i gotcha i just mad cuz kinda flawed assuming that people with worse dies don't want to oc
well
certainly more people trying to oc b-die or rev. e or even djr than c-die
it's not a perfect guide but hard to blame it for that
Ohh yeah I was just a tad salty, why they don't just say set the same as tcl like lol
well the people writing it are probably running insane numbers on b-die
Ya probs, but think about the people who didn't know about the different ics when buying their ram 

msi afterburner vs evga precision to OC gpu?
tCWL doesn't relate to CL at all
tCWL can usually go really really low
huh
interesting
mine won't budge below 14
have to cmos clear at 12 and 13 cause it fails to boot
that's probably why then
11, then lower tCWL to 12, if that works then 13 and 10
so they're related?
tRDWR isn't a directly stability dependant timing
tRDWR is the gap between the read and write command, but what matters for stability is the gap between the bursts
Which is tCWL-CL+tRDWR
so lowering tCWL at the cost of increasing tRDWR is worth it performance wise?
Yes because the burst gap is what matters for performance
tRDWR also isn't a directly performance influential timing
I used afterburner to do it, is that how you did?
how do you recommend 😮
3D Mark Time Spy and MSI Afterburner
and a bit of time
Few hours
Crank it up a little at a time and run 3DMark
if it passes, crank it some more
Should I do the OC scan thing or do it manually?
okay. What are good numbers to start with
Start with +100 GPU core and 500 mhz memory
Do the memory 100 at a time until it breaks, then back it down and do 50
do the core 15 at a time until it breaks, then back down 15
Power limit MAX
Power Limit slider to max
Crank up core and memory
test
turn up again, test
etc
Set your fan curve aggressively also to keep it cool
gotcha will try that out, should i mess with the voltage thing at all
cool thanks, will try that out and come back with results 😛
if on turing or ampere, its 15mhz steps
Yeah, I did mine in bigger chunks until I got to the stopping point then fine tuned it in 15 mhz steps.
@south sky I do not notice any performance difference with tCWL 12 and tRDWR 11
any lower tCWL decreases performance
I am able to boot up to tCWL 9 and tRDWR 14, tCWL 9 is the minimum my bios allows
aida
that's why
aida sucks
can't test tCWL improvements
because it only really effects latency
what do you suggest?
intel mlc can do it
would that run on ryzen?
yes
Ryzen Master: love it, hate it, stupid?
Sorry better question: will Auto-OC on Ryzen Master outperform BIOS PBO +200mHz, etc.?
Depends which chip
5900x
ah okay
For any zen 3 chip
Even Zen2
Even in "Game Mode?"
PBO 2.0?
PBO 2.0 is Zen 3
(noob to Ryzen & in general frankly my bad)
oh okay so even tho MB just says PBO, it means 2.0?
well it must in order to work on 5xxx
right? lol
What board?
ROG Strix B550-F Gaming
latest BIOS version?
game mode would lock the cpu at base clock, because at the time for pbo, windows didnt know what to do with 2 ccds running at drastically different clocks
ya weirdly, it shows peak speed at 4553mHz when before I went to Game mode I think it said 5050
@south sky should I only be looking at the latency column then? for the purposes of tCWL testing



