#overclocking

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zenith palm
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

modern walrus
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I mean that would be cool & all but very unlikely

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When OC GPU, how long do I have to run Furmark before I can say okay cool it's stable & bump it up some more?

modern walrus
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okay cool thanks

dull ginkgo
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ya, was crashing within 5 minutes of tm5 for tcl, trcdrd/trcdwr and trp

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tras I might be able to tighten, but I got tired of touching any primaries and it crashing so I just let it to xmp

modern walrus
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I'm starting to think a custom loop with a 3070 is kinda unnecessary. I've crashed a couple times but I've never gone over 58 degrees

zenith palm
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Yeah it is lol

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You could have taken the 3070 out of that sentence and it still would have been valid lol

modern walrus
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I mean the rear rad that the hot water coming out of the GPU hits is basically a space heater

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My temp gauge inside the pump hasn't even passed 40 degrees

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I probably should've done the custom loop on the 10900K since that thing is a microwave

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oh wait wait wait

zenith palm
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Lol

modern walrus
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just hit 60 degrees 5 minutes into a burn-in on Furmark 8x mSAA on 4k

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average 83fps

tall pelican
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loops on nvidia gpus arent really worth it

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dies are giant and pl is stupid low

modern walrus
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well... it looks nice at least

modern walrus
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Can Ryzen 9 do all core 50 ratio?

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5900x

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Do you have to flash CMOS everytime your OC doesn't POST?

dull ginkgo
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basically

proven canopy
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Plenty of high end boards have a safeboot button

dull ginkgo
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also a decent amount of boards with dedicated clear cmos button

tall pelican
modern walrus
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My MSI board would freeze, I'd kill power, then it would boot into bios like it was all good

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It's so strange to me that you can set Core ratios to like 45.75. It had to be a whole number on Intel

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what's even a high OC on Ryzen? 4.75?

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HWiNFO shows Core 0-11... Is there no like hyper-threading? shouldn't it show like 24 cores?

proven canopy
short blade
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finally got sub 55 ns

modern walrus
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what's that?

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Is there a "typical" degradation voltage for that chip? I know it's kinda chip specific

short blade
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varies by chip

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tends to be near 1.25

modern walrus
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oh really? under load tho right?

short blade
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yes

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auto voltage going above that is fine

modern walrus
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I don't see a vrvout on HWiNFO. SVI2 is the next best option?

short blade
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yes

modern walrus
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oh so you don't manually set voltage then?

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just core ratio?

short blade
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do not do manual cpu oc on Ryzen if you are a gamer

modern walrus
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Really I just wanna see how well my cooling loop does

short blade
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only for workstation tasks

modern walrus
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It's kinda academic

short blade
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who says you can't stress your cooling with pbo

modern walrus
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True

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I just kinda wanted to see with x y z input I get a b c output type thing

short blade
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if you are a gamer manual oc will significantly decrease performance

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can be the difference between 5.1ghz and 4.4ghz

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oc your gpu instead

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oc your ram if you are a masochist

modern walrus
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I see. RN I'm at 4.75 all core and SVI2 is pushing 1.288. Max thermal 79.8

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but to heck with this

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I'm gonna break something

short blade
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1.288v has a high chance of being dangerous

modern walrus
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so Ai Overclock Tuner back to auto...

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lol

short blade
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under a proper load that will degrade most zen 2/3 cpus over time

modern walrus
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auto core ratio

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auto voltage

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forget it

short blade
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I've built 20 ryzen systems and only one was safe to go up to 1.3

modern walrus
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This is so much different than 10900K lol

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Is ASUS performance enhancement worth enabling?

short blade
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umm

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I am not familiar enough with asus to know if that is core enhancement setting (good) or auto overclock (bad)

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just turn on PBO

modern walrus
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What's TPU I v. II?

short blade
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under the AMD Overclocking section

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I don't know

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I don't buy asus boards

modern walrus
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ya I wish I got an AORUS for this one like I did with my 10900K tbh

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LLC should be auto like everything else then?

short blade
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for pbo? yes I think so

modern walrus
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hmm okay. This kinda takes some of the fun out of this build lol

tall pelican
short blade
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i mean

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you can absolutely do manual oc and benching for fun

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just run pbo daily afterwards

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i do that on ryzen systems when i am bored

modern walrus
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ahh okay

short blade
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unsafe voltages are fine to run for short benches

modern walrus
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I don't see like a straight up option for PBO

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If I do restore optimized defaults will it be on you think?

short blade
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no

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i don't know where they hide it in asus bios

modern walrus
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lol heck

short blade
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on gigabyte and asrock it's advanced > amd overclocking

modern walrus
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oh ya I saw that

short blade
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pbo is in amd overclocking

modern walrus
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okay let me look there again

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Precision Boost Overdrive

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PBO I found it haha

short blade
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set it to advanced

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limits motherboard

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leave scalar auto

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boost clock override +200mhz

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leave thermal throttle auto (it's 90)

modern walrus
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nothing with curve optimizer?

short blade
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then run prime95 small ffts avx on and watch your custom loop sweat

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you said you wanted full stress on your cooling

modern walrus
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prime95 is crazy lol

short blade
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curve optimizer reduces heat load

modern walrus
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ya that'll do it

short blade
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w e a k

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(do that after though)

modern walrus
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okay it's disabled

short blade
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i've heard corecycler is a good tester for curve optimizer on top of just running p95

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since issues with undervolts can also manifest at low loads

modern walrus
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okay I put those settings you said & turned off ASUS performance enhancement

short blade
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rather than just hammering it at 100% all the time

modern walrus
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alright well I'm gonna F10 & see what happens

short blade
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i don't actually know what asus performance enhancement is

modern walrus
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probably long-term damaging crap so they can pump numbers up for sales type stuff

short blade
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i only have one asus board and i havent overclocked on it

proven canopy
short blade
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just throw 1.5v and run p95

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once you start smelling smoke it's probably working

proven canopy
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The hard part is putting the magic blue smoke back into the chips

modern walrus
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how many USB devices can work on one header?

short blade
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do it on a wraith stealth too

modern walrus
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all these darn Thermaltake boxes. They work fine for awhile then 1-2 will end up coming on on default rainbow mediocre speed setting

short blade
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@proven canopyi finally got sub 55ns

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my goal from the beginning

modern walrus
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oh in case anyone cares

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I read that on the 28th supposedly anyone on Windows Insider dev will get to download 11

proven canopy
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I saw - I just assumed it wasn't because obviously not bdie

short blade
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yeah it's daily

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1.55v

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seeing now if i have headroom to lower it

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but arshia says 1.55v is fine daily for rev. e

proven canopy
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I've heard of people daily'ing higher for long enough that it should be fine*

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I think alatron dailies/daily'd 1.6

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I'm curious as to whether the subtimings are sensitive to heat

short blade
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my dimm temps are around 55C after running tm5 for 9 hours straight

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with 100% gpu load

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a lot of my subtimings couldn't budge

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but overall i am satisfied

proven canopy
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Why no b-die in the daily driver pc?

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(I have rev.e in my own, but am lazy) sad

short blade
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this pc is mostly comprised of r/hardwareswap deals

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got crucial ballistix white rgb brand new for $85

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couldn't argue with the price

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and seller knocked off $10 on the o11 dynamic since i bought his ram too

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$100 o11 dynamic

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don't think b-die has enough higher perf to justify paying like $50+ more

proven canopy
short blade
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1440p league of legends 8)

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how much better can you daily with b-die?

proven canopy
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What cpu?

short blade
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5800x

modern walrus
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prime95 running. computer sounds like an airplane but thermals holding at 82 degrees

short blade
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82C? that's crazy

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5950x right?

modern walrus
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5900x

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Crazy good or crazy bad?

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slowly climbing tho. 83.8 now

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lol the little spinning flow indicator thing is going so fast it's like invisible

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10 minutes in. 84.3

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I've never actually done this test that it hasn't crashed the computer

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not this computer my other one

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okay I'm stopping this before a pipe blows out of a connector or something lol

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I guess it did max out around 85-86

short blade
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i have a 5600x with 360mm aio that hovers 85-90

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whats your rad setup

modern walrus
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lol

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2x360, 1x140

short blade
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thats a lot of rad

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gpu too?

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or only cpu

modern walrus
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yes

short blade
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ah

modern walrus
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Top/side

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/rear

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Which AIO defeats prime 95?

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I can fit one of those 120x38mm & I have 2 more 120x25mm crazy fans I'm putting on my lf2 AIO on my other build to see if I can finally stay cool enough to get thru prime95

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That thing is supposed to push 212cfm. I hooked it up to a power supply today & at full blast it started hovering off the desk

lavish tundra
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So umm @orchid flame a few days ago you suggested this

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I cant find scls in zentimings or the bios tho

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So which value is that exactly

south sky
lavish tundra
lavish tundra
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TM5 keeps saying that

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Im opning as admin

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also keeps not starting memory manager

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any clue how to fix?

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happens only when running extreme anta as an admin

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@south sky I am once again asking for your expert advice

lavish tundra
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Is there any disadvantage of not starting TM5 as admin?

south sky
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not really

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starting it as admin doesn't do that much

zenith palm
lavish tundra
south sky
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the AWE issue is overcome by it running many instances

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So it's fine

lavish tundra
lavish tundra
south sky
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pretty much

lavish tundra
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ah aight thanks a ton again!

modern walrus
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212 cfm #1

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Is there any reason I can't just splice this instead of buying all these sata/molex conversions?

modern walrus
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well it worked fine. The problem now is the push fan is so freaking intense it's spinning the pull fan way faster than it's designed to be spun & sometimes it vibrates as a result lol

modern walrus
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Cracked 17000 on CB R23 for the first time; max thermals are down 1 degree; and the volume is up like 9000%

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on the fence about whether it's worth it lol

zenith palm
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Arshia by vsoc is that vcore or something because in bios my soc voltage is set at 1.1v so idk if it just caps at 1.085v or something or if it's a different voltage

tall pelican
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you cant set over 1.1?

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windows will read lower than set in bios

zenith palm
tall pelican
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set soc voltage to 1.125

zenith palm
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Ahh okay thanks

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Is the extra bit just to help with stability i assume?

proven canopy
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Everything will experience some level of vdrop, not everything has built in LLC, even if it does, doesn't necessarily mean actual voltage will = set voltage

dull ginkgo
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Arshia wanted it to be 1.25v from what I can tell..?

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Although I thought soc didn't really matter on Zen 2 above 1.15v

tall pelican
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1.125

zenith palm
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That's the timings they recommended

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1.125v

dull ginkgo
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Ah

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That makes more sense

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I can't read

zenith palm
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Is okay i feel ya peepoSadSip

dull ginkgo
proven canopy
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10900k/3090 ln2

short blade
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is corecycler a good testing software for curve optimizer?

latent wolf
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Whats the max safe OC on a R7 5800X??? Just wondering. I upgraded from the R7 3700X and currently have the same OC settings but noticed the Temps are lower on the 5800X than the 3700X. Get around 58c/ 136f at full load when benchmarking

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@proven canopy @dull ginkgo Any Ideas

proven canopy
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Test and find out for yourself? 1.25v

latent wolf
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I have Voltage set to Auto

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I had to lower the FCLK from 1400 to 1366 cause Win 10 wasnt stable

modern walrus
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Update: the air flow coming out of the push fan caused the pull fan to catch its own housing and jam. Flipped it over & disconnected power to motor. RGB still good lol

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now the push fan spins it lol

latent wolf
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Thats a crazy setup but if it works it works

modern walrus
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I can fit one more but a 3d one won't fit because of the CPU power cables. I set the fan curve so it's at like 20% until the CPU hits 55+

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Is there such thing as auto-overclock for RAM besides XMP?

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I'm afraid that other fan is just gonna fly off at some point lol

tall pelican
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not really, until you're familiar with your imc and ram

robust aurora
latent wolf
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@robust aurora Cinebench R23

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I do run a 240mm Rad with 1800 RPM 120mm Fans

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I have 3 120mm fans pulling air in and the only exhaust fans I have are on the RAD

sterile flame
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if it was a 3700x copy OC not really

latent wolf
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Yeah all I did was reset my OC settings from my 3700X

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Thats cause I knew my motherboard LIkes them

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Not sure If I would get any performance gains though by going higher than that though even with the 5800X

robust aurora
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Oh,so you are running on 4.4ghz the 5800x?

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Why-_-

quick rose
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Basically, just turn on PBO for best performance.

proven canopy
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@tall pelican Make a zen2/3 Oc guide post and I'll pin it

tall pelican
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3600/x: manual oc to 1.25v
everything else: pbo
if you have zen3: curve optimizer

latent wolf
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@robust aurora No 4.0ghz is my OC with the RAM set at 3000mhz XMP

tall pelican
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4.0 on a 5800x?

latent wolf
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Yeah

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Base is 3.8

tall pelican
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that's a heavy underclock

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stock it'll do ~4.5, pbo can reach 5.0

lavish tundra
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Sheesh thats crippling the perf of the 5800x

latent wolf
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Yeah Turbo is like 4.7ghz or something

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All I did was upped the Base Clock

lavish tundra
tall pelican
lavish tundra
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4.9 is fairly common

tall pelican
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4.8-4.9 is common yeah

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5.0 will be single core boost clocks

latent wolf
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I dunno Win 10 reports 4ghz as the clock speed

tall pelican
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yes, win10 will report 4.0 as the current clock speed because that's what you set it to

latent wolf
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Right

lavish tundra
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^

latent wolf
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I dont wanna push it to far as it is a brand new chip

tall pelican
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base clock is irrelevant

lavish tundra
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when you adjust the core multiplier, it sets that as the boost clock

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not the base

tall pelican
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base is just what manufacturers use to get tdp

latent wolf
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It was at 38.00 in the BIOS when I first installed the chip

lavish tundra
latent wolf
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ASUS TUF Gaming X570 Plus WiFi for my motherboard

lavish tundra
tall pelican
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set the clock ratio to auto

latent wolf
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I need the clock speed but without thermalling the crap out of it

sterile flame
latent wolf
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I did get mine from Best Buy LOL

lavish tundra
lavish tundra
tall pelican
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||sales reps are those guys that pester you when you're window shopping, and are no where to be found when you need them||

latent wolf
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240mm RAD with 1800rpm 120mm fans

sterile flame
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lol

latent wolf
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@tall pelican LMFAO

lavish tundra
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and which fans

latent wolf
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Good thing I bought Mine ONline with my Best Buy Credit Card

lavish tundra
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models are a lot more important

latent wolf
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02Cool

lavish tundra
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what?

lavish tundra
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That does NOT look like a good rad

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also you have a custom loop?

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since that isnt an aio?

latent wolf
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Yeah Custom Loop and I had the brand wrong

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Thats the one I got

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Had to look back in my Order History

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I had a 120mm OCool Rad but I upgraded to a 240mm when I got the new case I have

lavish tundra
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What pump are you using?

latent wolf
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I dont remember anymore what brand it is

lavish tundra
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anyway ur loop should be able to handle a 5800x at PBO 0 issues

latent wolf
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Knowing myself probably the same as the RAD

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Probably since I do have a Resovoir on the loop

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I still dont get why Win 10 was acting funny at 1400 FCLK

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but is stable at 1366 FCLK

lavish tundra
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should be able to do 1900

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Reset bios and enable xmp is my suggestion

latent wolf
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XMP is enabled

lavish tundra
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dont touch anything else

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you are crippling your perf by locking it to 4ghz

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also keep flck in 1:1 dont change it

latent wolf
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I didnt change it it changed when I enabled XMP

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Dont know how but it did

lavish tundra
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Keep EVERYTHING auto except xmp

latent wolf
robust aurora
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Just reset bios tbh

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You are using your 5800x 20% under its stock performance

latent wolf
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What settings should I change then

dense turtle
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how do ik if my bios needs an update or not

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or my chipset drivers and stuff

robust aurora
lavish tundra
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Press F5

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@latent wolf

latent wolf
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Hold on system restarted

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I hit the wrong key on accident

dense turtle
latent wolf
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@dense turtle check manufacturer website that will show any bios updates

dense turtle
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ok thx

latent wolf
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@lavish tundra thats the load optimized defaults key

lavish tundra
lavish tundra
dense turtle
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i would like to overclock but im scared of what it will do, i dont wanna lose the gpu

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other than that yes

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i want to overclock to increase my fps and stuff

latent wolf
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Gpu oc is done through software like msi afterburner. BIOS is for the cpu

dense turtle
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well my cpu could also use a overclock

latent wolf
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If its a ryzen system you can oc the gpu through ryzen master if I remember correctly

dense turtle
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its intel

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i3 9100f

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and 1050ti

lavish tundra
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Can OC a non K cpu in intel

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You cant OC the 9100f

latent wolf
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I forget what intels version is for oc the cpu.

lavish tundra
latent wolf
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@quartz wraith technically he can with a ram OC in the bios. It does a soft overclock of the cpu. I did that with a HP pc I had when I owed the ram in the bios it increased the core speed a small amount on the cpu

dense turtle
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xmp profile is on

lavish tundra
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also it does not OC the cpu at all

latent wolf
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@quartz wraith this was a HP pre-built that was designed for win 7

lavish tundra
latent wolf
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Dammit

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Stupid phone

dense turtle
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KEKW

lavish tundra
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also dont ping me

dense turtle
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that guy comes like 'huh'

lavish tundra
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Im already checking messages

latent wolf
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Yeah my bad my phone is a POS

dense turtle
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anyways how do i go about overclocking without blowing up my pc

lavish tundra
dense turtle
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h310m pro vh plus msi

lavish tundra
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Yeah you dont

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no OC for you

dense turtle
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not even gpu?????????

lavish tundra
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other than GPU

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CPU and ram are locked

dense turtle
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can i unlock? or no

lavish tundra
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Hardware lock

dense turtle
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dammit

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oh well

lavish tundra
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chipset doesnt allow you to oc ram or cpu

dense turtle
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might as welll do the gpu

latent wolf
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Ok I just wanna ask something here. What was the first pc you ever did anything with rawr??

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Cause for me it was a Commodore 64 back in the late 80s

latent wolf
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Just wondering

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Cause I've been messing with computers since before windows 95

dense turtle
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my lil bro was pulling off pins off of a old intel cpu, that he found im my cupboard

latent wolf
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Dam

dense turtle
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at that time it was new af

latent wolf
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I remember the days when OCing a 400mhz cpu to 600mhz was the thing to do

lavish tundra
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C.Viper did you reset the bios?

latent wolf
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Yes I did

dense turtle
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i wanted to build my own pc and i kept it in my cupboard and he just ruined it Sadge

lavish tundra
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enable XMP?

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dviper

dense turtle
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yesn't

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how do i oc gpu

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i downloaded afterburn

latent wolf
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No xmp setting just memory frequency

lavish tundra
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Its called DOCP on asus boards

latent wolf
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I know from my b450 board that xmp setting 1 is 3000mhz for my ram

lavish tundra
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what is the key for easy mode?

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f7

latent wolf
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F7

lavish tundra
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Yep press that

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should see DOCP right away

latent wolf
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Yeaj thats 3000mhz I already knew that thats why I manually set it in Ai Tweaker

lavish tundra
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Always use xmp/docp

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It sets other timings as well as the voltage

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Not just frequency

latent wolf
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Current cpu temp in bios is 51c and mobo is 39c

lavish tundra
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Normal

latent wolf
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Ok so now what set pbo to enabled?

lavish tundra
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Auto is fine

latent wolf
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So do I set the fclk or leave it?? Cause the last time I used the built in OC tuner I was at 4.2ghz at 3000mhz on the ram but I know I can push the ram to 3200mhz at 1.5v

lavish tundra
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auto

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There is a real chance that you can kill your ram with 1.5V

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unless ofc you have something like B-die

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that you 100% dont

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since its only a 3000mhz dimm

latent wolf
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I have samsung B die

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I checked

lavish tundra
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8gb sticks on thaiaphoon yeah?

latent wolf
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4 8gb sticks yes

lavish tundra
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Thats C die

latent wolf
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I have 32gb of ram

lavish tundra
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You have c die

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negative scaling past 1.35V

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you can try 3600 18 20 20 20 40 at 1.35V if you want

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Might not run tho if uve been running the ram at 1.5V for a while

latent wolf
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Ram hasn't been ran at 1.5v for quite some time now.

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Only ran it at that for like a week

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Back when I first got it

lavish tundra
latent wolf
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I lowered it using the guide pinned in the channel for zen oc

lavish tundra
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Those 4 values should be that

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procodt 36.9

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frequency 3600

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and voltage 1.35

latent wolf
lavish tundra
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and dram ras to 40

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scroll down to find procodt and set it to 36.9

latent wolf
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Yeah I just set that after I sent that. 1.35v

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What do I set the cpu clock to

lavish tundra
latent wolf
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Ok. Anything else to change

lavish tundra
latent wolf
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Right dram voltage is 1.35v

lavish tundra
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Yep then reboot

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save and exit

latent wolf
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The vddcr cpu voltage is at 1.472v but thats on auto

lavish tundra
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download both in windows

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download and launch tm5

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load config and exit

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choose the extreme anta config from where you downloaded it to

latent wolf
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Helps to remember to set the csm so its not trying to boot into a raid config

lavish tundra
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launch tm5 again

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let it run till completion or till an error

latent wolf
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Well so far so good. Its booting into win 10 now with the settings in the bios

lavish tundra
latent wolf
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How long is a typical test

lavish tundra
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1.5 hrs

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for 3600mt/s

latent wolf
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Why so long os is that cause of the amount of ram I have??

lavish tundra
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no

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its because TM5 on extreme anta is thorough

latent wolf
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Ah

lavish tundra
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Send me a screenshot of TM5 btw

latent wolf
lavish tundra
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yep thats good

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just verifing etreme anta is being used

latent wolf
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Ah

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I know with being a graphic designer I need ram amount and cpu speed for rendering. I know that ryzen runs more efficiently with ram speed over amount

lavish tundra
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3600 cl18 is a big bump over 3000cl16

latent wolf
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true

tall pelican
#

Kinda proud of myself

lavish tundra
latent wolf
#

Do we want to know what you did???

lavish tundra
#

I wanna

latent wolf
#

Same cause that looks like a gpu board to me but I could be wrong

lavish tundra
#

Thats a gpu PCB yes

tall pelican
latent wolf
#

Ooooo new Radeon card nice

lavish tundra
#

is that supposed to be missing

tall pelican
#

"new" had it since December

#

Yeah, amd leaves some caps out

lavish tundra
#

I see

latent wolf
#

What happens if ya add one??? I've always wondered fhat

#

That

tall pelican
#

Look up 5700xt ref vs 5700xt 50th edition pcbs

tall pelican
latent wolf
#

Ah ok. Easier to overvolt or undervolt the gpu then

lavish tundra
#

elmor's tweak?

tall pelican
#

Yeah

lavish tundra
#

Nice!

#

Higher power limits gonna be pog!

tall pelican
#

Oh, amd cards can bypass power limits no issue

#

Its seen 550+ watts in furmark already

#

Just drops to like 1.0v from the 1.175 its supposed to get

lavish tundra
#

isnt elmors tweak for raising power limits tho?

#

or just voltage

latent wolf
tall pelican
#

Just voltage

latent wolf
#

I'm assuming that's good numbers in hwinfo

lavish tundra
#

Regardless VERY nice job on the tweak

#

Extremely clean solder job

lavish tundra
latent wolf
#

Cpu temps are low for running at 4.7ghz

lavish tundra
#

It is a closed custom loop tbf

latent wolf
#

True

#

I'm using corsair tm30 for thermal paste

tall pelican
#

I can tell you pbo limits if you want to see 90c+

latent wolf
#

My buddy sees 90c on his 5800x but thats cause he's in a warm room so that doesn't help since the ambient temp is higher than where my pc is at

latent wolf
#

20 minutes in and no errors on the mem test

lavish tundra
#

It shouldnt error tbh

#

I gave loose timings

latent wolf
#

Ah

lavish tundra
#

and only primaries

#

Still a big bump in perf tho

#

better to check however

latent wolf
#

Yeah no kidding. System responds alot faster

#

My ambient temp is 21c

lavish tundra
#

C die sees negative scaling past 1.35V btw

#

so you get more perf at 1.35 than at like 1.45 or so

latent wolf
#

Makes sense. Some dies handle lower voltages better than a higher voltage where others need a higher voltage to sustain the same performance

#

According to AI Suite cpu is at 4.8ghz

#

And cpu is only at 116f

#

Cpu package is at 138f

short blade
#

please stop putting temperatures in f

latent wolf
#

Sorry Thats what I have it set to since I live in the US

short blade
#

most of us live in the US

latent wolf
#

I dont know the conversion between f and c

short blade
#

regardless pretty much everything reports temps in c

latent wolf
#

I set AI SUITE to tell me everything in f

dull ginkgo
#

Plz just let software measure in celcious

latent wolf
#

HWmonitor shows me both

dull ginkgo
#

It's better for you, it's better for us, its nicer to comprehend in terms of what temps matter

short blade
#

use hwinfo64

latent wolf
#

Hottest my CPU has gotten in the memtest is 87c

short blade
#

hwmonitor is terrible for ryzen

#

if you're hitting 87c cpu in a memory benchmark something's wrong with your cooling

latent wolf
#

Its a Custom Closed Loop Liquid Cooling setup

#

Im using TestMem5

short blade
#

...custom closed loop?

latent wolf
#

Yeah

short blade
#

there's no such thing

latent wolf
#

I built it myself. Not using an AIO

short blade
#

that's an open loop then

#

and something is seriously wrong with your custom loop if you're hitting 87c in tm5

#

my 5800x is chilling at like 35c in testmem5 and I don't have a custom loop

dull ginkgo
#

(closed loop means you bought it, it came as a closed loop you don't open)

latent wolf
#

Well rawr said it was a closed loop

#

Ah ok

short blade
#

closed means closed in the factory

latent wolf
#

Well Considering my CPU is hitting Full Speed in tm5 I would think that the CPU would heatup some

short blade
#

no point using closed/open to describe the actual current state of the loop because if your pc is running with the loop literally open then it's not going to be running for long

dull ginkgo
#

Hitting full speed... ..?

latent wolf
#

Yeah all the coolant would be spilling out

#

4.7ghz

short blade
#

hitting full boost clock doesn't mean much for temps

#

mine hits 5.05ghz

latent wolf
#

Thats just the max it hit was 87c

#

currently at 64c probably when I was doing a few things while the test was running is why it ramped up the heat

short blade
#

alright nvm I put on tm5 and it's running 48-50c all core

#

fans are pretty low

#

what radiators do you have

#

87c at low load sounds like a mounting pressure issue

latent wolf
dull ginkgo
short blade
#

tm5 is a pretty light load on the cpu

#

it shouldn't be hitting that high

latent wolf
#

I did put a load on it for a little bit running a few other programs at the same time as the test so that could be why I see that

short blade
#

uhh

latent wolf
#

No Games

short blade
#

running other programs alongside tm5?

dull ginkgo
#

Just run some proper stress test

short blade
#

with the 200mb of ram left?

latent wolf
#

Well I do have 32gb and it was showing over 1.5gb available for the longest time

dull ginkgo
#

Prime95 smallfft to see the heat, and maybe watch it throttle

short blade
#

ah 32gb

#

idk I'm a poor peasant with 16gb

#

maybe 32gb tm5 is a higher load

latent wolf
#

Probably

#

I dunno

short blade
dull ginkgo
#

Seemed really light still to me (tm5 with 32gb ram)

#

What chip is it?

short blade
#

even 360mm is not enough to tame an undervolted 5800x in small ffts avx lol

latent wolf
#

Ryzen 7 5800X

dull ginkgo
#

Oh yea

#

Smallfft with avx is gonna kill it

short blade
#

at 1.25V I instantly hit 90C with 360mm rad

latent wolf
#

Corsair Vengence LPX DDR4 3000mhz Ram that has been OC to 3.6ghz

dull ginkgo
#

At 1.3v I instantly hit 100c with a d15

#

Anyways

short blade
#

pog

dull ginkgo
#

Smallfft avx off might work, but might not be as much heat as say, dunno, occt CPU test with small dataset and avx off

latent wolf
#

rawr suggested running tm5 with the extreme config to test the stability of the RAM at 3.6ghz

short blade
#

small ffts is actually not a good bench for curve optimizer though

#

small ffts avx on was stable at -20 all core

dull ginkgo
#

I keep thinking it's stock or all core

#

Well

short blade
#

now using corecycler to run huge ffts avx off on 1 core at a time

#

and -20 isn't even close to stable

#

I've had to increase core 0 all the way to -12 so far

dull ginkgo
#

I think we're at a point where CPUs have behavior towards smallfft as GPUs towards furmark, throttling to hell.

short blade
#

well

#

specifically for undervolting, small ffts is not a good test

#

cause you can have it stable all day at max load but then crash opening firefox

dull ginkgo
#

rip

latent wolf
#

thats crazy

dull ginkgo
#

UV weird

latent wolf
#

I would say so

dull ginkgo
#

But kinda makes sense

short blade
#

yeah it's much more tedious than manual oc but it's the best way to get performance boost out of ryzen

dull ginkgo
#

Sad, I'll probably never bother with it

short blade
#

getting over 5ghz on ryzen is nice

#

I have 2 cores that can go above 5ghz

latent wolf
#

Probably have to have massive cooling for that with a decent OC setting

dull ginkgo
#

Zen 3 things

short blade
#

the others cap out around 4.9

#

5800x is a great chip

#

I'm happy to have gotten it for so cheap

#

literally the same price as my old 5600x

latent wolf
#

I paid 450 for mine

dull ginkgo
#

I can't expect much out of my chip, and my next chip will probably actually be an Intel chip...

#

5800x MSRP is dumb

short blade
#

I paid 313 for mine

latent wolf
#

Where did ya find it at that price

short blade
#

r/hardwareswap

latent wolf
#

ah

dull ginkgo
#

Bleach is just demonmit 2.0 now

latent wolf
#

I got mine brand new at Best Buy

#

Only been in the system for like 2 days now

short blade
#

nah I think demonmit would have done my build for $200

latent wolf
#

Jeez How?? JUst my motherboard, CPU, GPU, and RAM alone are over 1k

short blade
#

it's a joke

latent wolf
#

oh

#

Im tired

#

lol

short blade
#

demonmit is a user here who is well known for getting mind boggling deals

dull ginkgo
#

I mean

latent wolf
#

its 3:30am where I am

dull ginkgo
#

How cheap did he get his 1080ti again

#

75$?

short blade
#

xd

dull ginkgo
dull ginkgo
short blade
#

I've gotten some demonmit tier deals myself lately

#

i5-6600K + MSI Z170A GAMING M5, originally $50 but my friend owed me so I got it for free

dull ginkgo
#

Yea

short blade
#

i7-4770K + ROG MAXIMUS HERO Z87 + 2x8 2133c11 for $100

#

xeon e3-1241v3 + ASUS Z87-K + 4x4 1600c10 for $47

dull ginkgo
#

Intel needs to completely revamp xeon naming

short blade
#

i7-8700K + ASRock Z370 Extreme4 + 2x8 trident z 3000c15 for $230

short blade
#

hm this got off topic

dull ginkgo
latent wolf
#

Xeons are Easy To OC with the right Board

dull ginkgo
#

And how the segment the xeons

short blade
#

the xeon I have cannot oc

latent wolf
#

Ouch

short blade
#

meh

latent wolf
#

Xeons are basically Server Based CPUs

short blade
#

it's a 4c/8t cpu for $27

#

can't complain

dull ginkgo
#

I took a look at more recent xeons and their naming scheme and such, and damn does it sound annoying

short blade
#

single core similar to ryzen 1000

dull ginkgo
#

Better imc I assume

short blade
#

comes with an actually decent intel stock cooler

#

back when they used to have copper cores

#

and you could actually OC on them

dull ginkgo
short blade
#

they used to bundle stock coolers with K skus

dull ginkgo
#

Sounds hot

latent wolf
#

Intel Coolers have always sucked cause they dont cool enough to keep the CPU from Thermal Throttling. I had that issue with a i5

short blade
#

it isn't that bad

#

the older cpus were not as hard to cool as the new ones

dull ginkgo
#

It is on modern chips from what I can tell

short blade
#

well yeah

dull ginkgo
#

Oh yea it used to be better

short blade
#

but im talking about quad core 22nm with much lower heat density plus the stock coolers had copper

dull ginkgo
#

Yea

#

I'm still extremely interested in the next step in chip design though

#

It seems to me the next logical step is stacking cores vertically, and that's going to be extremely interesting effects on cooling the chip

short blade
#

people managed to oc 4790k to 4.5ghz on stock cooler

dull ginkgo
#

Damn

latent wolf
#

I wonder if they will make micro heatpipes if they do that so that the heat dissipation from overclocking spreads every across the heating of the chip

#

Omg I hate my phone

#

Every should be evenly and heating should be heatsink

short blade
#

that's what the IHS is for lol

#

Integrated Heat Spreader

#

well that and protecting the silicon from breaking

dull ginkgo
#

What we're doing now is connecting memory modules vertically (v cache) with Thru-silicon-vias, but I do wonder if that dummy substrate could be swapped for something that's more conductive of heat

lavish tundra
#

I like saying break cpu as well now

#

Hehe

dull ginkgo
#

I'm too tired now, don't even remember what tsvs cross

#

Might even be a dumb interposer

short blade
#

ya me break cpu in half

#

it fun

latent wolf
#

Hey so no issues after 1.5hrs

short blade
#

tm5?

#

don't stop it until it's fully finished

latent wolf
#

But I'm going to bed since that test is done. Yeaj tm5

lavish tundra
latent wolf
#

It did

short blade
#

did it pop up the window at the end

lavish tundra
#

Send a pic of the message

short blade
#

saying test complete no errors in broken english

latent wolf
#

I've already shut down the system

short blade
#

but did you get the message

latent wolf
#

Yeah

short blade
#

ok good

lavish tundra
#

Sippy

short blade
#

ye

#

it might seem like we're overreacting or something

#

but trust me

lavish tundra
#

I told him to try 3600 18 20 20 20 40 procodt 36.9 @ 1.35V

#

On c die

short blade
#

I watched tm5 run through cycle 2 with no errors

#

went to bed assuming it would be fine

lavish tundra
#

It was going to be stable

short blade
#

in the morning I got back to the PC and windows was gone

short blade
lavish tundra
#

Oh my settings app and also windows bar at the bottom died

#

Because wam oc

short blade
#

did you run sfc + dism

lavish tundra
short blade
#

I automated it in a batch file

latent wolf
#

I get that sometimes where when I click on something it doesn't respond. I just restart the system and its fine

lavish tundra
#

It fixed it

short blade
#

ran it a couple hundred times during ram oc process lol

lavish tundra
#

Dm

#

Or here

short blade
#

ehh I'm in bed upstairs

#

make it yourself

lavish tundra
#

Might be useful as a pin

short blade
#

I just didn't want to keep looking up the exact syntax for dism cause I don't remember it

lavish tundra
#

The restorehealth flag on dism and sfc /scannow right?

short blade
#

I don't remember man

lavish tundra
#

I see

short blade
#

that's why I have the batch file

#

LOL

lavish tundra
#

Gimme the batch file when u get to pc

#

Im too lazy to do it myself

#

Thanks

short blade
#

I'll probably get back out of bed for a bit once gf falls asleep

#

not tired enough to sleep yet

#

my sleep schedule is messed up

lavish tundra
short blade
#

timezone moment

lavish tundra
#

Its the only way to lap pato in rank

#

I WANNA BEAT PATO

short blade
#

@lavish tundra

lavish tundra
#

Thanks sippy

#

Ily

#

Mebbe pin it so other people can use as well

#

Its related to OC and also kinda an important step

zenith palm
zenith palm
zenith palm
lavish tundra
zenith palm
zenith palm
zenith palm
# lavish tundra The restorehealth flag on dism and sfc /scannow right?

General fix for random windows problems

From an admin command prompt or powershell, run:

sfc /scannow

If that doesn't work, try:

dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth
dism /online /cleanup-image /scanhealth
dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth

Then, try running sfc again.
Repeat as necessary

zenith palm
lavish tundra
zenith palm
lavish tundra
#

imagine being pato and being bad

#

couldnt be me

zenith palm
short blade
#

my oc is not stable with 1.1 vsoc

#

needs 1.125

zenith palm
short blade
#

3867 needed 1.15

#

I think the ddr4 oc guide says >1.1v rarely if ever helps

#

so that's not true

tall pelican
#

It was true for zen, zen+ and most of zen2

#

Zen3 scales well with voltage since the if doesn't just die off

zenith palm
south sky
zenith palm
zenith palm
#

i was running tm5 and this happened

#

do you guys think my oc was the issue?

#

this is the OC it crashed on

lavish tundra
zenith palm
lavish tundra
#

Ur wammy bad ahaha

#

told u id beat u

zenith palm
#

mb the extra voltage will help as arshia recommended 1.125 soc instead of 1.1 but idk

lavish tundra
#

Ur wammy just bad

zenith palm
lavish tundra
zenith palm
#

sad

zenith palm
lavish tundra
#

hes online

zenith palm
short blade
#

have you tried increasing vdimm

#

even if you got your primaries stable at 1.35, there are some timings that have voltage scaling

#

wait

zenith palm
short blade
#

you have c-die

zenith palm
#

Ye

short blade
#

idr if/where that has negative scaling

#

yes vdimm is mem voltage

zenith palm
#

Just double checking as it's called mem voltage in bios

short blade
#

is that tCWL auto?

zenith palm
#

Ehhh lemme check what i changed

#

Tcwl i think i set to 16 manually but i cannot see it in zentimings

#

Yeye i set tcwl 16

short blade
#

you have it at tCL - 2 that's pretty tight I think

#

could try setting it to 18

#

or seeing what auto does

#

my auto sets it to 14 (tCL) and I can't tighten it from there

zenith palm
#

@short blade i think you mistyped a timing

short blade
#

your tCWL is at tCL - 2

#

18 - 2 = 16

zenith palm
#

Ohhh

short blade
#

I did not mistype anything

#

my tCWL does not budge below tCL

zenith palm
#

I read that as tcl being 2

#

If ya get me

short blade
#

that's the only thing that stands out to me

#

fair enough

zenith palm
#

Okay I'll try 18 when i get home

short blade
#

but yeah I'd see if tCWL 18 still crash

zenith palm
#

Thanks much appreciated Shibaheart

short blade
#

np

#

good luck

zenith palm
#

Thanks

#

We shall know on Monday... I have switched back to xmp while my rig is anyway so no worries about crash, or if crash big worries :o lol

short blade
#

indeed

zenith palm
#

I cannot remember where i was told to do tcwl 16

#

Ddr4 guide i think actually

#

Yep

short blade
#

I mean that's tCWL = tCL

#

you have tCWL = tCL - 2

#

that guide is written kind of assuming that a better IC is in use

zenith palm
short blade
#

well

#

certainly more people trying to oc b-die or rev. e or even djr than c-die

#

it's not a perfect guide but hard to blame it for that

zenith palm
short blade
#

well the people writing it are probably running insane numbers on b-die

zenith palm
short blade
#

my first kit was 3600c18 oloy ram

zenith palm
wooden sail
#

msi afterburner vs evga precision to OC gpu?

south sky
#

tCWL can usually go really really low

short blade
#

huh

#

interesting

#

mine won't budge below 14

#

have to cmos clear at 12 and 13 cause it fails to boot

south sky
#

I can do 10 at 4000 on both Rev.E and B-Die

#

What is your tRDWR?

short blade
#

12

#

wait

#

no

#

I read that wrong

#

9

south sky
#

that's probably why then

short blade
#

nothing will tighten further and remain stable and/or performant

south sky
#

yup that's why

#

raise tRDWR and try it then

short blade
#

oh raise it?

#

9 is the auto value

#

what do you suggest

south sky
#

11, then lower tCWL to 12, if that works then 13 and 10

short blade
#

so they're related?

south sky
#

tRDWR isn't a directly stability dependant timing

#

tRDWR is the gap between the read and write command, but what matters for stability is the gap between the bursts

#

Which is tCWL-CL+tRDWR

short blade
#

so lowering tCWL at the cost of increasing tRDWR is worth it performance wise?

south sky
#

Yes because the burst gap is what matters for performance

#

tRDWR also isn't a directly performance influential timing

short blade
#

I see

#

I'll try it after this cpu test finishes

#

thank you

wooden sail
quick rose
#

Now OC it 😉

wooden sail
#

I used afterburner to do it, is that how you did?

wooden sail
quick rose
#

3D Mark Time Spy and MSI Afterburner

#

and a bit of time

#

Few hours

#

Crank it up a little at a time and run 3DMark

#

if it passes, crank it some more

wooden sail
#

Should I do the OC scan thing or do it manually?

quick rose
#

OC Scan is terrible

#

Manual OC is the way

#

SO do the core like, 25-50 mhz at a time

wooden sail
#

okay. What are good numbers to start with

quick rose
#

Start with +100 GPU core and 500 mhz memory

#

Do the memory 100 at a time until it breaks, then back it down and do 50

#

do the core 15 at a time until it breaks, then back down 15

#

Power limit MAX

wooden sail
#

voltage % 100?

#

+100

quick rose
#

Power Limit slider to max

#

Crank up core and memory

#

test

#

turn up again, test

#

etc

#

Set your fan curve aggressively also to keep it cool

wooden sail
#

gotcha will try that out, should i mess with the voltage thing at all

quick rose
#

Nah, just power limit for now

#

see where you end up

wooden sail
#

cool thanks, will try that out and come back with results 😛

quick rose
#

👍

#

Good luck on your overclocking journey!

tall pelican
quick rose
#

Yeah, I did mine in bigger chunks until I got to the stopping point then fine tuned it in 15 mhz steps.

short blade
#

@south sky I do not notice any performance difference with tCWL 12 and tRDWR 11

#

any lower tCWL decreases performance

#

I am able to boot up to tCWL 9 and tRDWR 14, tCWL 9 is the minimum my bios allows

south sky
#

What id you test with

#

@short blade

short blade
#

aida

south sky
#

that's why

south sky
#

can't test tCWL improvements

#

because it only really effects latency

short blade
#

what do you suggest?

south sky
#

intel mlc can do it

short blade
#

would that run on ryzen?

south sky
#

yes

modern walrus
#

Ryzen Master: love it, hate it, stupid?

#

Sorry better question: will Auto-OC on Ryzen Master outperform BIOS PBO +200mHz, etc.?

modern walrus
#

5900x

lavish tundra
#

No

#

PBO superior

modern walrus
#

ah okay

lavish tundra
#

For any zen 3 chip

quick rose
#

Even Zen2

modern walrus
#

Even in "Game Mode?"

quick rose
#

Auto OC in Master is poo

#

compared to PBO settings

modern walrus
#

PBO 2.0?

quick rose
#

PBO 2.0 is Zen 3

modern walrus
#

(noob to Ryzen & in general frankly my bad)

quick rose
#

Zen 3 = 5000 series

#

Zen 2 = 3000 series

#

PBO 2.0 is great

modern walrus
#

oh okay so even tho MB just says PBO, it means 2.0?

#

well it must in order to work on 5xxx

#

right? lol

quick rose
#

What board?

modern walrus
#

ROG Strix B550-F Gaming

quick rose
#

latest BIOS version?

modern walrus
#

yes

#

updated like 2 days ago

#

oh I see Fitz typing (time to go to school)

#

lol

tall pelican
# modern walrus Even in "Game Mode?"

game mode would lock the cpu at base clock, because at the time for pbo, windows didnt know what to do with 2 ccds running at drastically different clocks

modern walrus
#

ya weirdly, it shows peak speed at 4553mHz when before I went to Game mode I think it said 5050

short blade
#

@south sky should I only be looking at the latency column then? for the purposes of tCWL testing