overclocking

[orchid flame]

probably will do tmrw

[real prawn]

Oddly, I was playing CSGO today, and I noticed that it performed best when I gave it access to all 32 threads. On a single CCX it was dipping below 200 FPS, avg about 240. 32 Threads was almost always above 350+, but never dipped below 300.

This is the exact opposite of the behavior I saw months ago, so they must've had updates.

[orchid flame]

Source 2 is weird

[real prawn]

Wait, they updated CSGO to source 2 already?

[orchid flame]

I have literally no consistent data on how it behaves

[real prawn]

I thought that didn't happen yet.

[orchid flame]

elements of it

not a full port

[real prawn]

I see

[orchid flame]

panorama UI and a few other changes

major mechanics still remain on source

[dense sandal]

how do I know if I'm thermal throttling, if my motherboard can't handle the OC, or if my CPU itself just isn't stable enough to handle the OC

[forest radish]

thermal throttling means that frequency will be reduced in order to keep the processor from getting too hot

so you'll be able to see the frequency drop and the fact that temps will be very near tjmax

[quick rose]

Keep in mind also regular boosting behavior relies on temps. Don't have to get near TJMax to see clocks decrease.

[forest radish]

not boosting as high as it could isn't the same as thermal throttling tho. thermal throttling implies it will drop below the frequency you set because protections are kicking in

[quick rose]

Right but you'll see a decrease in clock speed before you thermal throttle is the point

[foggy trellis]

I need a bit of help overclocking my gpu

[forest radish]

with a manual oc you won't. frequency decreasing IS thermal throttling

[mystic agate]

i need some help to oc my ram

[quick rose]

Some reading should be done first, 🙂 #overclocking message

[lavish tundra]

Or just tag fitz lol

[tall pelican]

good luck with that

[lavish tundra]

Speak of the legend

[mystic agate]

@lavish tundra told me about you fitz and i haven’t a clue what to do, i require your assistances

[lavish tundra]

Take a pic of the white sticker on the ram stick and send here

[mystic agate]

what white sticker

[lavish tundra]

Remove 1 ram stick from ur pc

There should be a sticker on it

[mystic agate]

you want me to take it apart again?

[lavish tundra]

Send a pic of that

[lavish tundra]

Just 1 stick of ram

Not both

There should be a sticker with a lotta numbers

Send that

[tall pelican]

gskill and corsair go off the sticker, rest is 🤷‍♂️

[mystic agate]

where do i send the picture

[tall pelican]

pm to one of us since you might not be able to post it

[lavish tundra]

Hope thaiaphoon is right

[tall pelican]

its reve

[dense sandal]

thank you for the explanation

I'm running a ryzen 5 3600 with a wraith prism cooler, and I was able to get to 4.375ghz at like 1.51 volts, but anything past that and I blue screened/crashed

[clever epoch]

Holy crap dude. Don't do that. You don't want any more than 1.3V unless you're prepared to burn/degrade your chip or go sub-ambient

[proven canopy]

More like 1.25 to be truly safe, but yeah

[dense sandal]

what

the stock clock is like 1.4 volts

[sudden torrent]

No, that's the idle voltage

[tall pelican]

"stock" during a very specific load

[sudden torrent]

It uses less under load

[clever epoch]

Stock voltage can vary quite a bit, and ryzen can boost up to 1.5V but it does that automatically and under low load (current). A static voltage of 1.5V is far, far too much. If you load up prime95 or even cinebench you'll see voltage drop to 1.1-1.2V

If you want to overclock your ryzen processor, just enable PBO. Static overclocks aren't effective

[lavish tundra]

Up to 1.3 is fine on amd

[proven canopy]

potato potahto

[lavish tundra]

Eh im running my 3600x 4.4ghz all core at 1.286V

Stable for gaming and light benchmarking

[clever epoch]

At that point it depends on how long you plan to keep the chip, how intense your workloads are, and your LLC settings

[tall pelican]

llc on zen2/3 (arguement can be made for zen/+ too) should be left on auto

[keen basin]

could I get a simple explenation of PBO and how to turn it on, what expectations to have when oc'ing memory, and how to match memory clock to cpu clock
is the arctic liquid freeze 2 good cpu cooling?

[real prawn]

Hello all. I've sucked myself back into overclocking my 3950X, and I feel like I'm missing something.

I was trying to watch AHOC's videos on Load Line Calibration, but he is impossible to follow, and doesn't seem to really address a comment he made about how SVI2 TFN measures VRM only (which I knew already).

In my case, SVI2 TFN is set to 1.38V and it droops to 1.31V under load. As far as I can tell, this is basically safe, kind of, except that when it comes off load, I can only guess that it's boosting to about 1.36V or so. So right there I guess I need to lower my VRM vcore voltage to something like 1.35.

However, there is then Core VID (Effective) and Core VID in HWiNFO. Core VID (Effective) is (as someone blanketly stated for all VID on Ryzen) is just showing what the CPU is requesting. In my case, this is set to 1.325V.

However, higher up there is just "Core VID", which I can see go from 1.325V on idle, all the way down to 1.219V under load. But at the same time, my 3950X is hitting over 90C and then crashing with P95 (at 4.25 Ghz).

So what do I need to do here? Bump the Core VID to match the external so it can match up during droop?

I know that stock, most Zen 2 and Zen 3 CPUs hit around 1.4-1.5V, but then droop as low as 1.2V. So what could I do here?

Also, before you say it, no I do not want to do PBO. It is basically ineffective for Zen 2, especially my 3950X. GN basically proved that in their tests. I mainly just care about all-core speed for multi-threaded workloads.

[quick rose]

Mmmm, I'd disagree. PBO can work wonders if you set it up right by unrestricting power and other limits. Play around with EDC, PPT and TDC limits and SOC voltages. PBO can do a lot if you know how to make it work. PBO will get my 3700x to 4.3 all core and I haven't been able to do much better manually.

[sterile flame]

Automatic clock/voltage tuning depending on how good your silicon is, Just turn it on, Memory look at the guides, idk
Yes

[real prawn]

I feel like I'd rather learn from this all-core experience and apply it to PBO if I ever wish to, than to just turn on PBO, have my CPU run at 120C (like it normally does when I enable PBO), and ignore what SVI2 TFN and VID are saying because I apparently don't understand what they actually mean in the context of a Zen 2 processor.

[sterile flame]

120C?

uhh

[real prawn]

Yeah, everytime I've used PBO that has happened.

[sterile flame]

What cooler?

[real prawn]

240mm NZXT X52. It actually had been working fine with my all-core OC. 4.15 and 4.25 are very stable when not using Prime95. It even stays under 85C on R20 and R23. It just is Prime95 that causes it to crash and run at 90-95C.

But, even just R20 with PBO hits over 100C no problem. Granted, because I never really tweaked it, but still. The point is that I want to understand voltage on this processor properly before even touching PBO.

I honestly don't see a point in learning PBO if I can't understand how to overclock all-core, mainly what my SVI2 TFN and VID should be hitting under load and at idle.

[tall pelican]

if r20 is hitting such high temps with pbo on, then lower the limits

[real prawn]

Right, but the point of PBO is to push single-core, as well as allow other cores to push higher frequencies when under 50-90% load, right?

[tall pelican]

the point of pbo is to push all core, while maintaining most of the stock single core

[real prawn]

Right, so to allow a higher all-core frequency (when not all cores are being 100% utilized) while maintaining or also pushing stock single core

But what's the point in playing with that if I can't even get an all-core OC to be stable under p95? Shouldn't I understand what the voltage regulation on the processor is before I even touch PBO?

All-core OC is simple, usually, but Ryzen's power is weird

So why should I play with frequency limits on PBO when I may be missing out on more voltage, or completely over-cooking my CPU?

Does that make sense?

Maybe I will get to PBO at some point, but it's useless if my power isn't right, right?

[tall pelican]

given that you were running 1.3v+ under load, that will degrade it, especially if you do all core workloads

with stock and pbo, the SMU still have full voltage control, and will throttle to stay safe in all workloads

[real prawn]

Okay. So the chip does automatic voltage contol, and all I need to do are contol the frequency limits that it stays within?

Also, under load, the SVI2 TFN (VRM) was at 1.300-1.313V, and the VID (vcore) was at 1.219V.

I just had them set to 1.38V and 1.325V in the BIOS. They droop significantly lower than what they're set to with LLC 2 (1 max).

My main issue with the guides I've seen is that they seem to throw a ton of information at you in not a very easily digestible way.

The information is there, but it requires a ton of reading and for me to piece together the information. The way PBO is shown is as this really easy thing to do, but all the documentation and information surrounding it seem overly complicated.

[tall pelican]

you have 3 options:

1. leave it stock (best single core)
2. pbo with power/current limits set for your situation (not as good single core as stock, but better multicore)
3. manual, with 1.25v (best all core if pbo doesnt reach the same clocks)

[clever epoch]

1.38V is far too high for your 3950X. I would set at 1.3 at most, with low-medium LLC to let it drop 1.25 or less under load

also you must have disabled or adjusted your safety limits if PBO is hitting more than 95C

[lavish tundra]

1.3 is max safe voltage for ryzen cpus

Atleast for daily

[real prawn]

I think I've explained that numerous times already, that I know that. However, that number doesn't help me if I don't understand when that voltage is unsafe, because stock Ryzen CPUs often hit 1.4-1.5V on idle or light loads.

Is it only unsafe under full load? Or is is unsafe all the time? Because stock voltages kind of disagree with that latter point.

So in the case then which one is not safe over 1.3V? Is it SVI2 TFN (VRM External Voltage), Vcore VID, or both? Because clearly under load, I am hitting 1.3V on VRM, and 1.22V on vcore.

[robust aurora]

When i overclock do i want the llc to be more flat ?or the other way around?

Because i noitced my voltage is pretty high during stress test with auto on llc

[clever epoch]

it's unsafe whenever your CPU is drawing substantial amounts of current. How much is "substantial", is very difficult to find out unless you can beat the information out of somebody from AMD who programmed the SMU (they certainly won't willingly tell you), or if you very carefully and methodically induce a known amount of current into individual cores and attempt to document the SMU/boosting behavior. Good luck with that unless you write your own OS.

As for the voltage readings, SVI2 TFN (from my understanding) is the voltage that the core/SMU itself reports, and is the most accurate, as claimed by the author of HWInfo and tests that (attempt to) measure voltage on the chip.

[lavish tundra]

Thats fine for idle. Not all core

On load

Vcore shouldnt be higher than 1.3V

[clever epoch]

VID is simply the voltage that the core requests, and Vcore is usually a motherboard-reported voltage which can be accurate if it's a mirror of SVI2 TFN, but is usually measured from VRM side which can be substantially offset due to socket impedance under high current

The reason why you should not set a manual voltage above 1.3V is that OSes (windows especially) will perform high power/current operations basically on their own whim, with no care for processor safety (OSes assume the processor/mobo regulate themselves for safety) and will thus cause dangerous levels of current draw due to scheduled processes, like AV scans or updates

not to mention the processor load of simply loading up the OS and its modules

[lavish tundra]

Very true

Anything above 1.3V on a ryzen chip daily driver is basically slowly killing the cpu

[clever epoch]

Also ryzen will boost to ~1.5V usually when most/all cores are inactive and something is loading a single core. So it needs the voltage to drive enough current through a core so it can reach high clocks

[lavish tundra]

Up to 1.5V for ln2 extreme is fine

Just to get the high scores

Then you come back to under 1.3

[clever epoch]

Bear in mind that the impedance of a processor changes dynamically, and transistor frequency scales with current, so if the impedance is high, you also need more voltage to reach the same current, which allows for enough clocks

The Ryzen boosting algorithm is written by people with much greater understanding of this behavior (as well as degradation) than most of us could ever hope to achieve, myself included.

I'm sure you're an intelligent person, but I doubt you will outsmart them on this field, at least at this moment.

[boreal herald]

The issue with high voltages is with semiconductors P = (I^2)V so as you increase the voltage you also increase the current quadradicly through the CPU which can burn out the power plane on the CPU

[lavish tundra]

Exactly 0 things about what u said are correct

[boreal herald]

Current is quadratically proportional to Vgs

And you very much can burn out the power plane or the base layers that carry the power

[tall pelican]

current goes up ^2, power is quad afaik

[real prawn]

In that case then I'll probably just pull the voltage back down to where it was and never do P95 I guess. Can't seem to get accurate answers on what does what, so I don't know who to trust.

[clever epoch]

SVI2 TFN is the most accurate voltage reading you're going to get from your processor. That's a fact

[real prawn]

So is the reality that you actually can not measure the actual vcore at all?

Even though there's two VID values on HWiNFO and the top VID values seem to change pretty dynamically under load?

[clever epoch]

you can use a multimeter to probe parts of the CPU. People have done that and found that SVI2 TFN is very close, to the degree of measurement error of the multimeter contacts themselves

SVI2 readings are, for all practical purposes, perfect measurements of vcore. I would be more concerned about sampling frequency than the (in)accuracy of the reading

[tall pelican]

Svi2 tfn is treated as the vr vout for amd

[chrome smelt]

So i've been thinking and it's a big question:

Does overclocking an overclocked cpu means it's in Overclocked 2.0, or it's Re-overclocking a Overclocked cpu ?

I was thinking about this while learning how to overclock a cpu

[zenith palm]

Just more overclock

[sterile flame]

its because its idle

if you want to reach those voltages idle, dynamic OC switching (or offset if i remember correctly)

but your motherboard likely doesn't have it :p

[tall pelican]

There's overclocking, then there's turbo boost, both are different

[dusty gulch]

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61018941

That there is bonkers

[proven canopy]

Not bad, #34 for config

[compact plaza]

can you overclock a ps5?

[weary valley]

No

[sterile flame]

is the 1650 worth overclocking

[zenith palm]

you can gain some extra performance for free quite easy, imo yes but its up to you if its worth your time also depends on the silicon lottery some chips will OC well others wont

[sterile flame]

it says oc edition on the box

i just dont know how to do it

[zenith palm]

that just means its slighty overclocked above nvidias defaults spec out of the box, its quite easy you can just use msi afterburner (works for any brand of card)

[sterile flame]

ohh kk

what do i do after i have it

[zenith palm]

you just up the core and memory in steps, hold on ill link a vid for you to help

[sterile flame]

alright

[zenith palm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqshaJTI8FQ

[dense kelp]

how do i use ryzen master to get the most out of my cpu

running 2700

2700x*

[rough yew]

Depends what you want to do, do you wanna overclock or undervolt or what

[quick rose]

Use bios instead. Ryzen master kinda meh and requires reboots anyway.

[dense kelp]

Overclock

But i dont know how stable my cpu is at 4.2 as ive never done any kinds of tests before. Ive just done thermal testing

[sterile flame]

4.2 is usually the highest a 2700x will hit

maybe 4.3

[lavish tundra]

Hehe my 3600x go brrrr at 4.4

[rough cairn]

Anyone managed 5ghz on 5600x yet?

[dull ginkgo]

@rough cairn of course
https://hwbot.org/submission/4632374_baby_j_cpu_frequency_ryzen_5_5600x_6132.34_mhz

there's multiple people who got it to 6ghz

well one core but whatever

[rough cairn]

haha nice but that's one core on liquid nitrogen. i was thinking about conventional oc that allows offsetting core clock higher than 200mhz in the bios. no option to offset higher than 200mhz on mine.

[dull ginkgo]

uh

don't use offsets

set multiplier

[rough cairn]

all core oc instead of pbo that is? why?

[dull ginkgo]

uh what

I thought you want 5ghz?

all core or set single ccx 5ghz then

pbo is good for everything else

[rough cairn]

ok i see, so i can either try all core multiplier 5.0 or single ccx to 5.0 but i cannot combine for example single ccx to 5.0 with a pbo. if i choose pbo than im stuck to whatever max offset mb manufacturer had imposed, correct?

[dull ginkgo]

I mean

the point to PBO is for the chip to choose how high it wants to boost

not to force PBO to boost to a certain frequency

if you want to force PBO, just set manual

[rough cairn]

well the benefit of offsetting the pbo to 200mhz on 5600x is that it allows the chip to boost to 4.85 (pbo + 200mhz offset) instead of 4.65 (pbo at default settings).

When you combine pbo + offset + curve optimizer = the chip boosts to 4.85ghz whenever possible while staying at around 1.27 volt on load and dropping to 0.965 volt on idle.
When you set all core oc to 4.85ghz instead = the chip remains at the voltage you choose (stable at 1.3125 in my case). With LLC level 3 the chip drops a bit to 1.293 volt on load but remains at 1.304 volt on idle.

To revamp, i guess my question is:

**Has anyone managed to OC 5600x to 5ghz: **

• either with all core OC (if so, what voltage and LLC)
• or with pbo+offset (if so, what mobo, bios version, curve optimizer settings)

[short blade]

overclocking laptop RAM is finally done

samsung A-die 1.25 Vdimm

[lavish tundra]

Good stuff

[sudden torrent]

@robust aurora For my PBO settings, I've got a +175 offset, for curve -30 on best 2 cores and -15 on the rest, -0.025v voltage offset, load line level 4, and the rest varies by motherboard.

A cheaper motherboard with smaller VRM heatsinks might throttle the boosting behaviors, and heat plays a huge factor in how high and how long it boosts.

[robust aurora]

He has a decent mb b550 arous elite so should be fine. Thanks

[sudden torrent]

Tier A on the VRM for that board, should do nicely

[lavish tundra]

Aorus elite very nais

[torn wedge]

i dont do over thing it may kill u pc

[weary valley]

Incredibly unlikely, any modern PC has protections.

[zenith palm]

The only thing i could imagine is an unsafe daily driving votlage that would take a bit tho

[dull ginkgo]

Or

1.65v

[zenith palm]

Yikes

[worn seal]

Or deciding you've seen enough sub ambient videos to do it yourself and don't insulate your mobo and kill it with condensation

[sudden torrent]

1.65v on Samsung b-die is fine though, if you have a ram fan. I wouldn't do that daily though.

[dull ginkgo]

I think "kill your pc" as in kill CPU

But yea b die can take 1.65v without too many problems

[short blade]

tell that to all the redditors claiming their ryzen 5 3600 is stable for daily use at 4.7ghz 1.5V

(because they passed cinebench)

seriously, i've encountered people putting MORE than 1.5V into zen 2 and believing that was a daily oc

i saw someone just last night running their 5600X at 1.35V and when someone said "your volts too high bro" he was like NUH UH GAMERS NEXUS SAID IT'S OK

and linked a video from GN about overclocking zen... 1

never underestimate the ability of people to be willfully and dangerously ignorant

I've even seen people link intel oc guides to justify running 1.4v on zen 2

[weary valley]

Incredibly unlikely for anyone with common sense*

which is not super common now that I think about it

[short blade]

exactly

[weary valley]

smh i had too much hope for people

[short blade]

having common sense puts you in the top 1%

[proven canopy]

Given how hard it seems to even intentionally degrade a 3700x - I have no idea how redditors seem to do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYesViAsTE

[sterile flame]

Buildzoid living in the future

22/11/2041

[short blade]

simple

they just don't stop at 1.4v

highest reddit™️ manual voltage I've seen was 1.52

[sudden torrent]

More power = more better right?

[sterile flame]

yea bro my 5900x running 300W 5.5GHz all core is way better than the 5900x running 5.9GHz at 250W

[urban forge]

does undervolting decrease the cost of a electric bill?

[zenith palm]

I doubt it will be noticeable but probably

[urban forge]

oh ok

[wintry sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/electro-boom-gif-18170714

[quick rose]

Not enough to notice

[proper dome]

Hmmm... I have to reset cmos upon every. Single. Oc crash.

Anyone got an idea? My cmos batt is under my gpu

[quick rose]

Use something conductive and use the CMOS jumper pins instead

Hold something on them for 10 seconds or so

Usually located down by FP connector, 2 pins all by themselves labeled CMOS

[proper dome]

Manufacturer says do both

But shouldn't this not be happening in the first place?

[quick rose]

I mean if the OC fails and you need to reset BIOS, then yes, it's normal

But only one or the other, not both

[proper dome]

More like oc fails at os level

Not boots

[left blade]

VFox#0699 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[proper dome]

Which has be confused why it mucks subseq. Boots

[quick rose]

OC's fail at the BIOS level always

SO if the OC keeps failing, ratchet it back a little bit

[proper dome]

You free to call? I think I have it this time and I want someone to witness me xd

[quick rose]

Ahhh, I don't do calls, nothing personal. But if you're having crashing and non-boot issues with BIOS and having to reset it, dial back the OC or add a tad more voltage

[proper dome]

Bsod this time.

No cmos reset needed woo

well

I'm running into a weird issue now.

I'm windows stable @dusky orchidplet1 4.5 all core and @dusky orchidplet2 4.3 all core (3900x) though I get Thread12 (Chiplet0 Core 6 I assume) crash on prime95, so I lowered C03 and C06 to 4400mhz... and they downclock to 3600mhz.

result during stability test

[quick rose]

1.4 volts???

is that under load?

[proper dome]

Aye

[quick rose]

That's too much

is this Zen 2 or 3?

[proper dome]

Most manufacturer mobos set the voltage range between 1.4-1.5 by default

xD

[quick rose]

That's idle

Check it under load

[proper dome]

So it's technically better already

[quick rose]

😉

Load voltage should be lower.

[proper dome]

yeah it's moving to 1.4 most things I checked said 1.4 and under is ailgith.

[quick rose]

Especially zen 2 or 3

-_-

Ok

[proper dome]

I'm not saying you're wrong haha

1.376 underload

prime95 stable.

can confirm that C3/6 are stuck at 3.6ghz through hwinfo

I didn't mean to piss you off btw, I'm very thankful for you even looking at what I'm sayin'

[quick rose]

How long you been running 1.4

[proper dome]

Was running the default 1.5v before that, idk, a bit more than a year?

[quick rose]

I mean load voltage

[proper dome]

scales down to 1.331

under load

[quick rose]

where it should be, below 1.35

Zen 2 or 3?

[proper dome]

3900x

so zen 2

[quick rose]

Really should be 1.35 or less under load if I remember Fitz properly

[proper dome]

highest it seems to get under load is 1.356v

still weird it doesn't accept single core clock speeds when it gives me the option. Is that a zen3 only feature?

4.45 all core is stable @1.4PeakVoltage

[tall pelican]

zen2 I'd stay below 1.25-1.3 set, and definitely below 1.25 under load

[proper dome]

best I can do remaining stable chief

aaand noped, prime95 barfed

[tall pelican]

you work for mersenne?

[proper dome]

hmm?

[dull ginkgo]

I assume prime95 smallfft

Prime95, the software, is meant to be used for finding mersenne primes, but just happens to have a good stress test on top.

[proper dome]

Yeah, I ended up unstable way quicker on smallfft, I had to pull the clocks down, don't want instability 😄

though it seems my Asetek is betraying me

water temp 36c

coretemp 80c

[tall pelican]

sounds right

[robust aurora]

Which voltage readout should i be looking at

?

Vcore, vid,vrvout?

I have tried 5ghz with 1.3 fixed vcore on medium llc .
My vr vout is at 1.231 and vcore at 1.284 but the vid is at 1.4 and im not sure if its safe or not.

[robust aurora]

@zenith palm still stuck on 80%

[zenith palm]

Maybe power off then

[robust aurora]

Ok

@zenith palm sorry if im anoying but do you know if the vid on hwinfo is something i should care about or only vcore and vr vout. I have seen people in reddit said the vid values doesnt matter when you use fixed vcore but i dont know if i can trust them-_-.

[zenith palm]

I have no idea sorry

[robust aurora]

Ok thanks anyway👍

[proven canopy]

Vid doesn't matter

[robust aurora]

Nice , ty.

I was worried i fried my cpu lol

[dark ferry]

What you got there? 10700k/Gigabyte z490?

[robust aurora]

Yes

[dark ferry]

I had better luck with High LLC. Mine ended up stable at 1.345 set in bios. VR Vout is your real voltage. Came out to 1.26v max load and 1.3-1.33 while gaming. This was for 5ghz all core 4.7ghz uncore. Dunno what you're trying to reach though.

[robust aurora]

@dark ferry oh, i have rn stable 5ghz on 1.22v on vr vout on load. But when i raise the ring clock hwinfo showing windows error after 5-10 min stress test, but i dont crash or get bsod . Any ideas why ? Maybe i need to raise the voltage a bit im on 1.29 on bios rn

[dark ferry]

How do you know it's stable? What are you testing with?

[robust aurora]

Well i did cinebench r23 first and then prime 95 with avx off

[dull ginkgo]

Occt is nice

[robust aurora]

ok i will try it later👍

[dark ferry]

Neither of those sound very taxing to be considered stable.

[robust aurora]

What are you using?@dark ferry

[dark ferry]

OCCT

[robust aurora]

Oh ok will test it when i get home then

[dull ginkgo]

P95 smallfft is fun but

Occt good for catching errors

[dark ferry]

How are your temps?

[robust aurora]

High 80s on prime 95 and high 70s on cinebench

[dark ferry]

Cooler?

[robust aurora]

H115

280mm

[dark ferry]

I'm going to assume not enough voltage and/or too much vdroop.

But all you can do is test.

Then test more.

And more.

[robust aurora]

Im on medium llc

Yeah i was just starting yesterday will mess with it more

[robust aurora]

@dull ginkgo what should i run

[zenith palm]

I'd say extreme if you want good stability

[robust aurora]

And leave other settings like they are now?@zenith palm

[zenith palm]

Yeah I'd say so

[robust aurora]

Ok thanks

[dull ginkgo]

Ye

[proven canopy]

Change instruction set to avx2

[robust aurora]

Just started

Auto is doing it on avx 2 anyway

Should i let it run the full hour?

[zenith palm]

i would

[robust aurora]

Temps are realy low rn the highest it was was 73 for a single core

Settings are ok right?

[zenith palm]

sounds fine, what cooler do you have and what temps do you usually get?

[robust aurora]

I have h115 its corsair 280mm and on cinebench im getting high 70s

Like 78 max

I thought it will be higher then r23

[zenith palm]

🤷‍♀️

[robust aurora]

Ok i guess it is stable then

Passed

Im still on stock ring ratio tho i will do the ring oc tommorow

[proper grove]

I'm still using an manually overclocked penintium processor ;-;

And 4gb of DDR3 RAM

And integrated graphics

It runs csgo so it's whatever

[narrow schooner]

My best stable oc

Drivers are out of date asf but its ok

If the voltage wasn't limited i could've prolly pushed +150 core and +900 mem

[dark ferry]

Now when you say 900 on memory, do you mean the total effective vram speed or the actual base clock?

[zenith palm]

900 above the base clock

[dark ferry]

So then what is your effective speed?

[zenith palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ 3355mhz but idk how you calc effective because imo its means less than just the mhz

[dark ferry]

What card?

Oh nvm.

[sterile flame]

divide by 4

[zenith palm]

Ohh lol

[narrow schooner]

750......

[sterile flame]

he said nvm

[narrow schooner]

I know

49c full load

[zenith palm]

But 100% fan :/

[narrow schooner]

1 fan

card

[zenith palm]

Oof

[narrow schooner]

Yes

its actually not that loud

[robust aurora]

My evga 1060 is 1 fan too

It has decent temps tho

[narrow schooner]

i was pushing 90+c on cpu

[zenith palm]

Stock cooler ?

[narrow schooner]

Yes

Thermal paste was changed like 6 years sgo

[zenith palm]

Block of metal X)

[zenith palm]

Mb change again

[narrow schooner]

And its full of dust

Nehalem runs hot...

[zenith palm]

Maybe add some intake fans so the air is filtered

[narrow schooner]

Its too old

I barely use it anymore

I just wanted to push my 750 for the memes

[zenith palm]

Okay lol

[narrow schooner]

Yeah, im going to clean it out though soon

Might go for a noctua dh-9?

[zenith palm]

For your old cpu?

Nah

Just save up bit more for a 10100 b460 at that stage

[narrow schooner]

Yeh

[sterile flame]

b560

or a used z490

[narrow schooner]

I could care less about getting a knew one

[sterile flame]

when next gen intel comes out

[dull ginkgo]

why not better cpu

[left blade]

YoSon#7038 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[narrow schooner]

i-

[zenith palm]

I would b560 but it's a 10100 and theres b460s for like 60$ ish

[narrow schooner]

I have a 8700, just want to possibly sell the old one

Id have to get a mounting bracket

[zenith palm]

Don't bother getting a new cooler for a cpu that old tbh

[thick schooner]

not sure if this goes in here, but my cpu seems to be doing a dance with its usage after I enabled XMP on my RAM.

I don't see any performance losses though

like when I play games and such

[quick rose]

what is using 20% of your GPU?

Wallpaper engine or something?

[thick schooner]

that and minecraft, yes

[quick rose]

That's why CPU spikes then

[thick schooner]

but I get the usage spikes even when I'm not running minecraft

[quick rose]

wallpaper engine

[thick schooner]

alright I'll close that and see what happens after a few mins

[dark ferry]

Yea. Wallpaper Engine has never affected my CPU like that.

I would re-install it, choose a different wallpaper in it, lock the wallpaper fps lower, set it to auto pause when not focused, or just plain pause it when you're gaming.

[quick rose]

Depends on what wallpaper you're using

[thick schooner]

I know what it was

the nvidia container

for whatever reason

20% of my GPU and making the cpu have a heart attack

granted I noticed no perf drops, still

[proven canopy]

geforce experience?

Were you recording?

[quick rose]

Wallpaper engine uses that for moving wallpapers

[thick schooner]

I was not recording

which is strange because I've never seen that happen before

[quick rose]

nvidia container is your gpu driver

[thick schooner]

I did figure that out by you telling me lmao

dont mean to sound rude on that sorry

but I just haven't seen it happen before, so it could potentially be a driver issue too?

either way its ifne

[tall pelican]

You can check task manager for what's using the cpu

[thick schooner]

I have also done that 😂

it switches between like lots of things, discord, firefox, AWCC(for my monitor, alienware thing), it was like all my normal applications but 50+% useage

which all went away when I killed the nvidia container

[proven canopy]

https://slickdeals.net/f/14995750-save-85-on-3dmark-on-steam-4-49

[thick schooner]

I actually bought that today

and got a pretty bangin result https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20072479

[dull ginkgo]

fun

[thick schooner]

I know, like a solid 6-700 points more than most others with my setup

[proven canopy]

Dumb that these leaderboards show duplicates, no way afaik to filter to highest score per user

https://www.3dmark.com/search#advanced?test=spy P&cpuId=2613&gpuId=1290&gpuCount=1&deviceType=ALL&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=overallScore&hofMode=false&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=&maxGpuCoreClock=&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=

[tall pelican]

you cant filter, the individual user has to go in and clear lesser subs

[prisma seal]

how much do you think i could overclock a 3700x with a stock cooler?

[quick rose]

Can't even PBO with the stock cooler

[minor fulcrum]

What's the best way to put a floor on your vcore? I don't want it going below a certain level due to some instability Im seeing, but I want it to go higher as needed. R5 3600 / Asus Tuf B550

[sudden torrent]

Load line calibration

[minor fulcrum]

But that doesnt let me choose a specific value right, just a "level"?

[sudden torrent]

The higher the LLC level, the less it droops under load. If it's getting too close to the unstable level, LLC will flatten it out. If that still doesn't work, you can set a small positive dynamic voltage offset.

Maximum LLC level is the closest thing to no droop at all, but will increase heat system wide

[minor fulcrum]

I'm actually just trying to prevent idle vcore from going too low, as that's where this PC is BSODing. Under load it works fine, which is annoying to diagnose actually

[sudden torrent]

It's crashing on idle? Odd. Normally the vcore is higher at idle.

How are you setting the voltage? In bios as a manual voltage, offset, or auto?

[minor fulcrum]

No at idle most CPUs drop vcore since it's not needed. This 3600 hovers around 1-1.1

[quick rose]

at idle my 3700x is higher

[minor fulcrum]

This is totally stock

[sudden torrent]

My 5800X and 2700 were both higher on idle too

It's not about voltage, it's about current

Low load it'll be higher voltage since it doesn't need to worry about being flooded with current

[robust aurora]

He might be on the highest llc

So it drops on idle

And go up on load

[sudden torrent]

Only a couple gigabyte boards do that iirc, LLC shouldn't make idle less than loaded

[robust aurora]

Yeah my mb has it lol

[minor fulcrum]

Dont know how else to explain that Im BSODing at idle sitting on desktop, but I can run Cinebench looped and play warzone without issue

[quick rose]

Download WhoCrashed

See what the DMP files say

[minor fulcrum]

BSOD erros are different

[minor fulcrum]

will try that thanks

on a couple of BSODs, the full text doesnt even display, almost like it hard froze while drawing the BSOD

[sudden torrent]

Make sure your bios is updated and maybe try cmos clear and redo your settings

[minor fulcrum]

all done

swapped RAM, fresh OS install

tried LLC already and no change

[sudden torrent]

Could be a motherboard defect then. It's not supposed to do that.

[minor fulcrum]

yeah maybe, but the board is brand new and the cpu is used. probably shouldve mentioend that he told me it was doing the same thing for him. I figured it was his own setup, but now I dont think so

[sudden torrent]

Possibly a hardware defect then in the cpu, yeah. Something in the voltage regulator.

[robust aurora]

Hmm there is no way 50mhz memory and 40 core increased preformance by 30%@storm kettle

[storm kettle]

idk it still went up, only story mode tho

[zenith palm]

Has to have been a peak or something that's not right

[storm kettle]

it went to atleast 80

are those settings fine or?

[zenith palm]

It's a very moderate overclock

I would push further

Try +25 core +50 mem and stress test with furmark or something every time

[storm kettle]

ok

[storm kettle]

so 1465 instead of 1440mhz?

clock or voltage?

[zenith palm]

+25 clock +50 mem

From whatever the base is then stress and repeat

[storm kettle]

dowloading latest edition of furmark rn

[sullen wind]

.\

[zenith palm]

@storm kettle how long where your stress tests?

[storm kettle]

under a minute

[sterile flame]

tweak 2 is inaccurate af for some cards

[zenith palm]

Do like 5 min runs

[storm kettle]

i have an asus card

[zenith palm]

Would recommend msi afterburner but up to you

[storm kettle]

gpu tweak works fine

[sterile flame]

Yeah, some asus cards

i'll show u

[storm kettle]

ok

[sterile flame]

That was fun

restarted my computer to install it and i was stuck in a boot loop for 10 minutes

Just a casual 19GHz

[zenith palm]

Wow 19ghz :o

[lavish tundra]

[clever epoch]

that's an underclock... 3080 (and 3090) have 19.5 Gbps stock

[dull ginkgo]

Mhz

[barren ridge]

^

[wheat ice]

and i thought 4.5 was good

[chrome smelt]

Is there a specific number to overclock a 3600 ?

Like i just put 1.35v and boom leave it at that

[dull ginkgo]

No

Silicon lottery makes every single chip different

[zenith palm]

On a 3600 pbo with decent tweaks will do better than manual oc anyway

[chrome smelt]

I always wondered what a 14ghz cpu would feel like, How much performance it would give ?

(Not about the thermals, more of the performance)

[chrome smelt]

Sad, I had to RMA a 3600 because it kept Bsod on everything

[gritty robin]

What do you think would be a safe oc for a 9600k

[sand fulcrum]

each chip is diff, but i get 4.9GHz @ 1.35v

[lavish tundra]

Not true. PBO on zen 2 is NOWHERE near pbo on zen 3

My 3600x PBOs to only 4.2 all core while I can do 4.4 all core

at lower voltages as well

[clever epoch]

manual is better for all-core than PBO, but it's worse for (most) games which will hit higher single core boosts

[lavish tundra]

For majority of the cpus

not all

[zenith palm]

Really? I thought it was about the same? I couldn't manual oc mine better than pbo ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lavish tundra]

They really improved the PBO algorithm in zen 3

[zenith palm]

Ahh i thought it was just a big boost from zen+ to zen 2

[mint mountain]

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/20132903/spy/20017592 stock 10600k and 3060ti vs oc

[zenith palm]

V nice

[mint mountain]

Yeah I left it and let it run and was actually really surprised when I came back and it hadn’t BSOD

Only thing was that temps were around 92 max so I’ll try to do 5.2ghz on Saturday with an AIO in an ice bucket

[zenith palm]

Good luck

[zenith palm]

What cooler you have on it atm?

[mint mountain]

Fuma 2

[zenith palm]

Oof

Toasty

[mint mountain]

I set auto voltage because I was too lazy and was too busy to incrementally increase voltage

So if I fine tune it it probably won’t be so hot

[zenith palm]

Lol

Probs drawing way more than needed

[robust aurora]

@mint mountain how is the gpu temp 15c higher without oc compare to oc

[mint mountain]

Oc was on my test bench cause that’s where I have my good 10600k, non oc was in my case with side panel on

[robust aurora]

Oh okk nice oc!

[mint mountain]

Thanks

[robust aurora]

I thought you undervolted it or something

[mint mountain]

Test bench only slightly scuffed

[zenith palm]

Lol

Is that for building your parents the pcs or for you testing for the fun of it lol?

[sudden torrent]

Well I got my new 3090 to go over 110 MH/s but it very quickly thermal throttled due to memory junction temp hitting 110C. Turning the fan to max drops it to a still throttled 100C. This is all on stock memory clock and core is around 50C lol.
It's very obvious that I need better thermal pads. I've got a couple options in mind but which ones would you guys recommend? I need 3mm if it's the same pads as the air cooled model.

[zenith palm]

I watched a mining channel when i was deciding if i should put thermal pads on my 3070 and they said they just used the generic pads on Amazon and they were pretty good

[dull ginkgo]

Mando is mining person so @sterile flame might know smth about thermal pads for vram

[robust aurora]

Do you think we need it for 3070 im wondering too and not sure

[sterile flame]

You could just put a fan on the backplate

[sudden torrent]

That may be fine for a 3070 but I feel like a 3090 would be too much for generic ~3W pads. I've got pads already, they're about that rating probably, and woefully inadequate.

[zenith palm]

ehh i dont think so my hotspot only gets to 60c max

[zenith palm]

well they were actually doing a 3080 but 🤷‍♀️

[sterile flame]

Stock pads are usually horrible

If you have pads already, atleast give it a try

[robust aurora]

Mine is 62 max most of the time 60 but hotspot might be very different from vram temp

[sterile flame]

Different

Very very very different

[sudden torrent]

3070 doesn't have vram temp sensor

[robust aurora]

Yeah i know it doesnt have one

[sudden torrent]

I'm at 50 core, 62 hotspot, 100 memory

[robust aurora]

-_-

I guess mine is like 85

[sterile flame]

Nope

[zenith palm]

but g6x gets a lot hotter than g6 anyway

[sterile flame]

Most definitely like 90c+

[robust aurora]

Isnt 6x alot hotter

[sterile flame]

I have yet to see a card with stock perf that low

Isnt 6x the same wattage?

[sudden torrent]

Do you think a good 12W pad set would be enough? Or should I spring for 17W?

[sterile flame]

12w should be fine

[robust aurora]

I might just buy it to be safe

Its like 20$ anyway

[sterile flame]

No

Ur just gaming

[robust aurora]

No

Im mining

Too

[sudden torrent]

Certainly won't hurt

[zenith palm]

i thought g6x was more efficient but runs a lot faster so cancels out the extra efficiency

[sterile flame]

6x is for sure not efficient lmao

[zenith palm]

its more energy efficient is what i meant?

[sterile flame]

Not at all

[sudden torrent]

6x is just overclock 6

[sterile flame]

Its faster but efficient isnt the right term to use

[zenith palm]

ohh woops

[sterile flame]

aSUS > evga

[robust aurora]

The pads that needed arent the same for all 3070s right?

[sudden torrent]

Correct

[robust aurora]

I need to search my model

[sudden torrent]

Look up a teardown of your model, they usually measure

[sterile flame]

Generally the same for same brand

Gigaturd you need to look at height between pcb and backplate

[robust aurora]

I guess i do then

[zenith palm]

yeah theres like 3 different sizes for gigabyte iirc

[robust aurora]

I will look today and share with you what i find since we have same model

[zenith palm]

Thanks

[robust aurora]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabytegaming/comments/n2ne4n/gigabyte_rtx_3070_gaming_oc_8g_thermal_pads/

so 2 mm for the back it looks like and 0.5 and 1 for the front i think

[zenith palm]

@sterile flame do you think the 3080 version would have the same thermal pads needed? because there is very little to none agreed on info about 3070 model

[robust aurora]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT_HmxGPvCA&ab_channel=KrunoEti

yeah like this one is a good one but for a 3080

[zenith palm]

fal said probably the same but

[willow cobalt]

Is overclocking a gpu a bad idea

[zenith palm]

no its a good idea

bit of extra perf

[sudden torrent]

Quite the contrary, it's free performance

[willow cobalt]

How does one do so

[sudden torrent]

MSI afterburner

[zenith palm]

msi afterburner

[willow cobalt]

Thanks

[sudden torrent]

Jinx

[zenith palm]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-bart-muffled-closed-window-gif-12693779

[robust aurora]

are Thermalright pads good?

[zenith palm]

i think just the thermal conductivity matters

[robust aurora]

it is 12.8

w/mk

[zenith palm]

thats good afaik

[robust aurora]

will cost me like 50$ for the pads and a paste with the shipping

[zenith palm]

wth

what paste?

just mx4 or something

[robust aurora]

just looking didnt buy yet

[zenith palm]

i thought you couldnt use liq metal on the gpu

they look v expensive

[robust aurora]

yeah also i dont know why amazon is putting 1.5mm when i clicked on the 1mm

-_-

[zenith palm]

smh

[robust aurora]

do i need to change thermal paste tho?

like its a new card

not sure if i need too

[willow cobalt]

Do you need a specific kind of intel cpu to overclock?

[zenith palm]

k

at the end

[willow cobalt]

Oh

[dull ginkgo]

Intel CPUs with a -k ending, and the motherboard need to be a Z series for consumer

[zenith palm]

and a z board

[willow cobalt]

Ah

I have ASRock b560M-HDV and i5 10400 lol neither are compatible with OC

[dull ginkgo]

You can take off power limit and cool it well and let it boost higher

[willow cobalt]

I’ve heard stock intel coolers are trash, should I get a better one?

[robust aurora]

you are right "after opening up the GPU I found the coolers base plate was made out of aluminium so I couldn't use liquid metal."

[dull ginkgo]

You could choose to do so

se-224-xt is nice for 30$

[zenith palm]

gammaxx 400 is also 23$ atm steal

[mint mountain]

This is the pc I’m going to build last, but for the time being I’m using it to do benchmarks and oc

[zenith palm]

ahh nice nice

[dark bone]

guys should i overclock my gt 1030 ddr5

its the only gpu i have 😦

[zenith palm]

probs not worth you time but you can try

[clever epoch]

it actually overclocks pretty well... but the base performance is pretty low in the first place

https://www.titanicfreak.com/imgs/a569bebd985b5f506e7366bcda80d854.png

Stock

https://www.titanicfreak.com/imgs/052de29b3f7a960cb3ab3a0ae26a8126.png

OC

14% uplift

[dull ginkgo]

gud

[zenith palm]

You've convinced me to buy 3d mark cuz it's like €3.50 atm now lol so oc gpu time

[lavish pecan]

How good is the Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro for overclocking? I can potentially acquire 32gb of it at cl18 and 3600mhz for a decent price and it is version 4.31, which is supposed to be b-die

[mint mountain]

If it’s b die then pretty good, depends how much it costs though

[lavish pecan]

150 USD

[dull ginkgo]

3600 cl18 doesn't sound like a b die bin

Most b die bins

[lavish pecan]

According to the ddr4 section of the overclocking wiki in the pins, Corsair ram version 4.31 is supposed to be b-die

[dull ginkgo]

I mean, Corsair is wacky as heck

[zenith palm]

4.31 is confirmed b die according to the list

[quick rose]

RIght but the speed and timings seem odd for B-Die

[lavish pecan]

The timings on the label on the sticks appears to be 18-19-19-39

[dull ginkgo]

meh, who knows.

Corsair uses wack ram

[quick rose]

Seems like Hynix timings to me. Double check the kit number itself also?

[dull ginkgo]

Just try to make sure you know what die it is

since yaknow, b die likes 1.5v, a lot of other dies don't

[lavish pecan]

How does one correlate the kit number with die type on Corsair ram?

[lavish pecan]

Yes, on that list version 4.31 is b-die, which is the version on the label under the barcode

[dull ginkgo]

As long as you're sure, I don't have access to any good sources.

[zenith palm]

I got that list from falcie ao should be accurate, and was for my ram

[sudden torrent]

That's from the r/overclocking wiki page so there's no confusion

[zenith palm]

Ahh nice

[dull ginkgo]

It's a very wacky xmp if it's actually b die but meh

Corsair weird already

[sudden torrent]

Nothing says they can't change their numbering system halfway through a series, other manufacturers are guilty of that already.

Also it could just be low bin b-die like my kit was

[dull ginkgo]

But usually lower bin b die is like 3600 16-16-36 yaknow

[sudden torrent]

Yeah so it's odd but who really knows. It could be they just needed more sets to fill out that series so they deliberately took ICs that can do much better and lowballed it.

[tall pelican]

my sheet is the good bdie that you want to buy, you dont want to get 3600c18 bdie

[dull ginkgo]

ah

[tall pelican]

the sheet is like top 5-10% bdie, there's oem and server bdie that cant do 3000mhz

then bdie that doesnt scale past 1.3v

[dull ginkgo]

wack

[lavish pecan]

So what you are saying is that it could be pepeg b-die? 🤔

[tall pelican]

if its 4.31, its sadge bdie

[lavish pecan]

Well, guess that settles that then

[tall pelican]

its like buying a lamborghini, but this is what it actually is:

https://www.ebaymotorsblog.com/motors/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/lambo-tractor-3-featured.jpg

[dull ginkgo]

You can say you have one of the OG lamborghinis

[tall pelican]

antique™️

[zenith palm]

Also does anyone know a good gaming oc for a 3070? I've got about +150 core and +300 mem atm, +200 core didn't work and I'm going to try +175 core and upping the mem more tomorrow but just wanted to know if any others had experience with theirs?

[dull ginkgo]

just keep going

silicon lottery is fun

I'm guessing you can up the mem a good bit more

[zenith palm]

I was doing timespy and +200 black screened tho lol

But mem should go a bit higher i guess

I'm able to get +1300 stable while mining so

[quick rose]

Mine is happy at 150 core and 1100 mem

[zenith palm]

Hm okay thanks

Was hoping to crank the core up more but most likely not by much more then

[proven canopy]

It'd be a real potato bin if it was

But I think there's some 3200c16 bdie out there

[dull ginkgo]

yea I've heard of those but

3600c18 auto hynix to my smol brain

[proven canopy]

lol at fitz's analogy

[dull ginkgo]

it's a good analogy

[proven canopy]

Adjust core in 15 mhz increments

<+200 core, ~800 mem should be normal

[zenith palm]

Thanks forks 👍

[proven canopy]

Mine topped out at 2145 core, 2000 mem https://hwbot.org/submission/4701882_forks_3dmark___time_spy_geforce_rtx_3070_15175_marks

[zenith palm]

Cheers

Will try tomorrow in the morning

[quick rose]

how so high! hmmmmmm, time to tinker

[dull ginkgo]

cpu score is better too

but forko be forko

[quick rose]

I know

-_-

[proven canopy]

Yeah, just compare graphics score in that case

[quick rose]

Graphics score 15430

I checked

2K more points than mine

SHEEESSSHHHH

[zenith palm]

15430 👀👀

[quick rose]

Maybe my mem too high

[zenith palm]

Forks are you liquid cooling thar bad boy?

[quick rose]

I'll back that off and try more core

[proven canopy]

It's kinda annoying that 5950x's steamroll most of the 3d benches, but eh, that's just how tech evolves

[dull ginkgo]

lol

[zenith palm]

Me sitting here with 6k ish cpu score 😢

[dull ginkgo]

does hwbot have an option to just use graphics score?

[proven canopy]

This is common for comps

Same reason you saw me run ln2 gpu with a ryzen on a stock cooler kek

[zenith palm]

That seems so wrong

[proven canopy]

Couldn't fit a gpu pot on that card because the 8 pin plugs block it

[zenith palm]

Lol

Ln2 sounds like it's very expensive

[dull ginkgo]

ln2 itself is fairly cheap afaik, it's just not reusable

[proven canopy]

It's not too bad if you buy used hardware or make your own, cost of the ln2 itself is usually <= $2 a litre in most of the US

[dull ginkgo]

also pot costs like 300$ iirc

[proven canopy]

Bryce got a kp pot + socket heater for 250 shipped

[dull ginkgo]

fair

[proven canopy]

You can get gpu pots for <$200

[sudden torrent]

Just don't get medical grade LN2, the other stuff is suitable to use and much cheaper

[dull ginkgo]

aight

[zenith palm]

Ohh nice so like 50c more than petrol per litre here cool lol

[proven canopy]

I mean, 30 litres can be hours of benching entertainment depending on the platform

[sudden torrent]

"Entertainment" he calls it

[proven canopy]

Lol, I certainly don't get paid for it

[dull ginkgo]

lol

[zenith palm]

Mmm need good quality board mem and the pots sounds like ln2 isn't so cheap, even with it being 2$/l

[proven canopy]

Well, everyone who does ln2 oc is probably already into hwbot/competitive benching anyway

[sudden torrent]

The LN2 itself is cheap, the setup is not so much. It's also very time consuming.

[proven canopy]

I know this guy who pushed 8Ghz on an FX chip with a really junk low tier board and a $30 chip and only a 10 litre dewar

[zenith palm]

Damm

[sudden torrent]

FX was easy though

[zenith palm]

Still have my old fx 6300 in my dads system and an asrock no idea chipset board time to whip it out and get big ghz XD

[lavish pecan]

Sounds like my old system. It was a FX-8350 in an Asrock 990fx

I put it in a new case and shoved it on top of a book case. Now it looks on with shame and self-loathing as I game on my Ryzen build

[proven canopy]

Those fx chips just scale really well with cold, can do -196C no bugs

[zenith palm]

Damm

[lavish pecan]

Can you get the 9590 working with ln2 cooling? The world may never know

[proven canopy]

https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/fx_9590/

I'd guess almost all of those world records with the chip are ln2 or cascade phase change

If it's not been run on ln2, it's because it's not worth a lot of points

[clever epoch]

got a friend who received RMA kits from G Skill for 2x16 3200 CL16 that was reported as B Die in thaiphoon burner

[proven canopy]

taiphoon just guesses really, but yeah, possible

[clever epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757105837163413564/840033361313792020/8320_1M_Super_PI.jpg

[proven canopy]

lol, do you know bones?

Funny thing about his chip (I think that's the one) one of the memory channels is dead

[clever epoch]

I'm in a discord with him 😛

he didn't mention that

[proven canopy]

ahpcb?

[clever epoch]

nah, private one by Cheese

[proven canopy]

ah

[clever epoch]

dead memory channel = stonks OC? 🤔

[proven canopy]

Bones is a good dude

I think it was just a strong chip to begin with, I forget how the channel died

[clever epoch]

I'm very new to the scene so I don't know many people

[proven canopy]

Again, not certain that's the same chip

[clever epoch]

I see

[tall pelican]

insert weird overclocking noises

[dull ginkgo]

uh

free custom bios?

[tall pelican]

Requested a feature, dropped aida latency from 38 to 36 with it

[dull ginkgo]

lol

[tall pelican]

With a clean os, it should be 34ns range

This os has seen 4 cpus, like 6 mobos

(yes I had ryzen power plans on an intel platform)

x470, b550, x570 and z590 chipset drives

[dull ginkgo]

lol

[clever epoch]

Mine has seen 5 CPUs but only 2 mobos (1700x C6H, 2x 5800X, 5950, 5900 C8H)

7 GPUs though

3 of those were less than a day though lol

[tall pelican]

Gpus are just registry files that get wiped when you ddu

[zenith palm]

btw vintage this was my gpu score with no oc so i think youre high mem clock is hurting your perf

[quick rose]

Nah that was my non-OC score come to find out LMAO

I had the original timespy screengrab saved but not my OC one

[zenith palm]

That was my non oc too, mb just better factory oc or something

[quick rose]

Not sure gen 3 vs gen 4 makes a difference but I'm on a riser cable

[zenith palm]

Tried +165 core it didn't work lol

[zenith palm]

I'm on a b450 anyway so don't think i have gen 4

[quick rose]

I don't think B450 does no

[zenith palm]

Alright guess all i get is +150 core, time to start upping from 800 mem now

[quick rose]

Mine topped out there too

[zenith palm]

Forks must have gotten his silicon hand picked from jenson then lol

[quick rose]

Or he tinkered with voltage/clock curves more

[zenith palm]

More likely lol but 2.1ghz is what they had like jeez

[quick rose]

Timespy reports mine between 2070 and 2130

Peaked at 2145

[zenith palm]

Ahh okay i just did a run with +850 mem but performaned like 50 points worse than 800 for some reason so I'm redoing +800 to see if it was just a freak higher score than it should be

[zenith palm]

ntb, final results, might be able to push another 25 mhz or so on mem but meh

[proven canopy]

feels

[tall pelican]

through just a powerplan?

you'd still be limited by bios as far as power limits go, power plans dont alter much aside from cstates

[proven canopy]

Probably not a tangible benefit for bench scores I guess, but I was intrigued by how many parameters come up running powercfg /help

[proven canopy]

It was a rando newegg shuffle 3070 TUF, not a good card by any means

[zenith palm]

Nice, how did you get the score so high then?

[proven canopy]

Cold ambient air, stripped down benching windows

[zenith palm]

Ahh yes ofc

[proven canopy]

Also 5.3 10900k 4300 16 16 16 28 280 65535 memory etc

Could probably do 5.4 for 3d, haven't tried

Same chip can't even do 5.2 for x265 4k

Don't remember if I flashed the vbios, don't think I did

There were a few vbios with higher power limit than the tuf

[zenith palm]

I just meant of graphics score lol i only have a 3600 so nowhere near getting cpu score lol

[proven canopy]

Fast cpu will help graphics score - but tbh, in this specific case, probably <10 pts

It'll start to hurt if you're benching a 3080 ln2 on a 7700k stock etc

[zenith palm]

Yeah that's what i figured lol

[proven canopy]

I no longer have the card, so can't test further

[zenith palm]

Fair

Maybe after i add the mem thermal pads it can get a bit higher

[proven canopy]

IME gddr6 (non x) doesn't really need it if you crank the fans

Especially samsung memory, the micron chips like cold, the samsungs can be happy naked

[zenith palm]

I didn't crank the fans as i wanted a realistic gaming oc but i mine while not gaming anyway so might as well not a fan of high temps anyway lol

Just something about them don't seem right

[proven canopy]

for mining

[zenith palm]

Cheers

[primal loom]

Does anyone know how to get this xmp profile 2 panel to light up and become selectable?

[tall pelican]

do your sticks have 2 xmp profiles?

[primal loom]

They should, on their website it says to use xmp 2.0

@tall pelican

[tall pelican]

that's still just profile 1, not profile 2

some sticks have a super high xmp, then a more realistic xmp

[primal loom]

When I originally selected xmp, my pc wouldn’t boot up until I cleared the cmos

[tall pelican]

are your sticks in slots 2 and 4?

[primal loom]

Yes

[sterile flame]

There's a general spot to where you can set the voltage

Idk the ones for ampere though

Probably gonna wanna find somebodies rig list like this with mixed cards

[zenith palm]

can someone answer me a question? does whea erros/ kernel power error just from ram oc? i have my ram OC'd to 3600cl18 but its samsung c die 3200cl16 (thanks corsair)

[lavish tundra]

secondaries?

My c die does 3600 18 20 20 40

with procodt at 36.9

[lavish tundra]

Have you tested the ram oc?

on like TM5 extreme anta

[zenith palm]

i used occt for like an hour on 95% load

[lavish tundra]

Try tm5

with the extreme anta config

for 1.5 hrs

http://testmem.tz.ru/tm5.rar

thats TM5

chrome might put up a warning

do advanced and proceed

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uegPn9ZuUoWxOssCP4PjMjGW9eC_1VJA

Load that config

[zenith palm]

OCCT is fine tho, thats what the techies use so

[lavish tundra]

They use both actually

[zenith palm]

ahh well occt should be fine

also any idea about the kernal error?

might just hop back on to xmp for the moment

[lavish tundra]

Well if you run TM5 with extreme anta for 1.5hrs we can rule it out for sure

[zenith palm]

okay

[zenith palm]

Anyway can't test atm will try later but was reading up on kernel error 41 and their last resort was bios update basically

[clever epoch]

can you post the specific details of the WHEA error(s) you're getting?

you can get WHEA errors on AMD if your FCLK is unstable

[clever epoch]

ryzen 3000 series can sometimes fail at 1800 FCLK. I also know somebody with a 5900x that can't do 1800 FCLK either (extremely unlucky)

[zenith palm]

oof

[clever epoch]

ah that seems like an issue with a PCIE device

are you on AMD? Did you adjust your BCLK?

[zenith palm]

i am yeah r5 360

3600*

bclk?

fclk was 1800 iirc

[clever epoch]

it's one of the clock multipliers you can adjust in BIOS. You should know if you adjust it

although you can get PCIE errors with unstable FCLK

[lavish tundra]

not very unlucky actually

zen 3 has a LOT of flck issues

[tall pelican]

unstable IF can show up as pcie bus errors during 3d loads

[clever epoch]

try reducing your memory to 3466 and FCLK to 1733

keep the same timings

[lavish tundra]

I would update bios first and then test the current OC you have on extreme anta

[clever epoch]

TM5 doesn't show IF instability most of the time

[lavish tundra]

it will still cause a crash if there is a problem

[clever epoch]

I can run a full TM5 test with stable memory but have hundreds of WHEAs

not necessarily

you can get corrected errors

which is what I got when I ran one of my 5800X samples at 1900 with DR B die

[zenith palm]

i couldnt post 3466 when i tried last time lol

[clever epoch]

if you could post 3600, there's no reason you can't post 3466

[zenith palm]

acc fal said its quite common

[clever epoch]

I know some boards have a clock hole at 3800, but I've never heard of one at 3466

try 3533 then

keep the same timings as 3600

[zenith palm]

ive never heard of that speed?

[clever epoch]

and make sure you adjust FCLK accordingly

idk some boards skip over the 133 increases

you could also just keep the same memory settings and just lower FCLK

and run tests to eliminate the FCLK issues

[zenith palm]

ehh dont want to desync the fclk heard it runs worse

[clever epoch]

you will get performance penalties running desynced, but you're just doing it to test stability without too much hassle

[zenith palm]

but ill try some of those

i cant atm but ill try update bios then see if that helps because my bios kinda old

think this bios update at least might help?

[tall pelican]

what board are you on? 1.0.0.6 is like zen2 launch agesa

[zenith palm]

b450m ds3h

this was the update i was googling

[tall pelican]

look at the date

[zenith palm]

yeah but im on a 2019 one

[tall pelican]

just update to f60 or f61a

[zenith palm]

yeah i will i was just looking up the agesa update improvements

[final tundra]

How much should I overclock an Ryzen 5 5600x

[zenith palm]

silicon lottery

but precision boost overdrive will most likely outperform a manual oc on ryzen 5000

[lavish tundra]

61a is beta

not recommended tbh

[clever epoch]

just set PPT to 120W if you have a decent cooler (more if you have a really good one), set TDC/EDC to 80.

if you're on stock cooler I wouldn't bother

[lavish tundra]

if you go manual OC make sure to not cross 1.3V

[sterile flame]

bruh i might need help in overclocking my RAM

i bought it at 4266 Mhz but im able to clock it stably at 3666Mhz

idk much about RAM overclocking so any help would be appreciated

[zenith palm]

it had an xmp of 4266?

did you try enabling the xmp?

[sterile flame]

yea i did

[zenith palm]

also what mobo and cpu

[sterile flame]

thats how i clocked it at 3666Mhz

[sterile flame]

mobo - Asus ROG Strix X570E
CPU - Ryzen 9 3950x

[zenith palm]

ahh well 4266 is usually quite hard to post

[sterile flame]

but can i get anything further 3666Mhz?

[lavish tundra]

What now?

[tall pelican]

shouldnt be hard to do 4266 is 2:1 mode, but it'll be worse performance than 3800 in 1:1

[lavish tundra]

Ahh i see whats going on

[zenith palm]

hmm 3rd gen ryzen might not post 4266

[lavish tundra]

i need sleep

[sterile flame]

i meant i am able to run my pc 3666Mhz but anything above that doesnt post

[lavish tundra]

brain no workey

[sterile flame]

well thats fine. I wanted to know whats the max clocking i can get from it

even a 3800Mhz would be fine

i dont necessarily need 4266Mhz

[zenith palm]

yeah it should be able to do 3800

does it have a 2nd lower xmp profile ?

it should if its 1st profile is so hgih

[tall pelican]

leave xmp off for now, see how high you can set fclk, once you find that, set memory frequency to 2x that, and we can sort out timings from there

[sterile flame]

there was only one

[zenith palm]

yeah try what fitz said then

[sudden torrent]

I imagine that 4266 memory should be b-die, nice overclocking potential if so

[lavish tundra]

ayymd tho

fclk

[sudden torrent]

Yeah, I know. Overclocking includes tightening timings. 3800c14 should be easy on a 5000 series CPU.

[sterile flame]

mine is C19

[sudden torrent]

Yeah but it's probably rated 4266c19 (which is nice but fclk complicates things)

If you've got a 5000 series CPU then 3800 is likely the highest you'll get with fclk at 1900 (half of memory speed)

[sterile flame]

i got 3950x

whats the max i can get?

[sudden torrent]

3600 maybe then, possibly more if you're lucky

[sterile flame]

oh wow

i got 3666 now

so thats it?