overclocking

[proven canopy]

It's wrong

[mint mountain]

@proven canopy do you know why my cpu is only using 1.28v when I have it set to 1.33 in bios

I don’t know if there’s a setting somewhere messing me up

[proven canopy]

You want some amount of voltage droop under load

Read up on load line calibration

Should be in the wiki, check the pins

[mint mountain]

I have it set to 4, the one asus recommends for oc but I’ve tried 2 as well

[proven canopy]

You want the setting that let's you run the lowest stable load voltage

Have to play with it and test to see

[mint mountain]

With 4 I can get almost all the way through a pass of cinebench r23, and voltage fluctuates between 1.279 and 1.284 but has blue screened right before the end

[tall pelican]

Which mobo?

If you have 7 or 8 levels, 5 is generally best, if you have only 5, then 3 is best

Strix/tuf have 7, maximus/crosshair have 8 and some primes have 5

[quick rose]

@mint mountain listen to Fitz XD

[mint mountain]

I think it’s 7

So I’ll try 5

And it’s z590m plus

Prime

Maybe

Idk

[tall pelican]

The number is mostly just based on what you have

[proven canopy]

Run a higher llc if you expect more demanding loads

[mint mountain]

Well even with higher llc still won’t go above 1.284v in cinebench and blue screens after 15 seconds of running

[real prawn]

Sorry I was sleeping. Got all those pings, lol.

It was still only 18-22-22-42. The guide I'm following basically says to tighten everything except the primaries first, then move onto the primaries.

I was testing 17-22-22-42 on 3733 last night. Seemed okay. 3733 with 16-22-22-42 crashed after about an hour I think.

[lavish tundra]

but you arent able to get cl16 3600mhz?

[real prawn]

I haven't gotten there yet. I figured I'd see what I could get on 3733, then try it all again with 3600 Mhz and then benchmark between the two.

[lavish tundra]

try 3600cl16

3600cl16 is better than 3800cl18

[real prawn]

I literally spent, like, 11 hours yesterday overclocking. I hate how long memory testing can take.

I've been doing 5-10 minutes between changes, while writing them down. If I hit errors in the 5-10 minutes, I'll roll back a change and then test longer.

[lavish tundra]

yee its not the best

[real prawn]

I'll keep playing with it. I eventually couldn't even get 3800 Mhz to work, so I'm gonna see what 3733 likes today.

And I feel like 3800 only didn't work because of the fabric on my chip. It previously (while decoupled a long time ago) hated any fabric above 1866

[lavish tundra]

see if 3733 is crashing at cl 16 and cl 17 there is 0 point in bothering with 3733mhz

try checking 3600cl16

[real prawn]

It definitely crashed about an hour into CL16, but CL17 was fine when I tested (only for 10 minutes though).

[lavish tundra]

ur ram should be capaable of that

[real prawn]

for 3733*

[lavish tundra]

3600cl16 better than 3733cl17 tho

also you can leave fabric on coupled

[real prawn]

I see now. I just saw the Wikipedia chart for it.

I'll just go to 3600 then. I won't start at CL16 though. The guide I have recommends quite a few secondary timings first, then primaries

[lavish tundra]

did 16 -20 - 20 - 20 - 40 work?

[lavish tundra]

primaries are called primary for a reason.

you ALWAYS do primaries first

then secondaries

and then tertiary

what guide is this?

[real prawn]

I linked it a while ago. One sec

https://www.github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/tree/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md

I liked this guide because it offered a lot of granular details (like how to calculate tRFC and stuff). I found it as part of a collection of other guides on the overclocking subreddit IIRC.

[lavish tundra]

strange that guide is very good and trusted

primaries still come first tho

also set the procodt to 36.9 or so

[real prawn]

I'll try to find the original list of guides and cross reference them. I don't not trust you guys, but I figured I'd try to learn more about how DRAM works and common methodologies than just try a bunch of numbers and hope it works.

[lavish tundra]

i see what you are gonna do for the next few weeks in that case.

[real prawn]

lol I don't mind if it takes a while to learn this stuff. I originally just wanted to boost my CPU a bit, but after seeing the 2% gain from just a light 3333 Mhz overclock, I'm tempted to finally do a full dive into learning how memory works

[lavish tundra]

as with every part in yur pc, the more you OC the more diminishing the returns get.

I would personally stick with a 3600cl16 profile as the basis to start

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yIZ_jWPHQX0VJOPUpK_p0meg7i7omyL42GwhQo6peNg/edit

thats a decent guide to streamline your process.

[real prawn]

I'll keep that guide in mind, but it doesn't seem to do a very good job at explaining how many of the values should be changed.

[lavish tundra]

always by 1

there isnt another way

unless you have an electron microscope to observe the tiny imperfections in silicon

[tall pelican]

Then give it more voltage

[real prawn]

But 1 what though? For example, it mentions VDIMM and VSOC. But I know for sure that 2.0V for SOC will kill the chip. 1.1V? Okay, that makes sense, but then what about tRFC that can change across 100+ (for example, from 666 to 485 in one of my tests).

It also says to establish a VDIMM and VSOC baseline. What is that baseline? Based on the example values given in other guide I linked, that could be many different values depending on the ram and chip.

[tall pelican]

that's terrible at "guiding" you what to do, if someone's asking for a guide

[mint mountain]

It’s set to 1.35

[real prawn]

I'll keep that one in mind, but again, I'll probably cross reference multiple guides, as well as try to learn how memory actually physically works in the mean time.

[mint mountain]

But not using anymore voltage

[tall pelican]

then go 1.4 🤷‍♂️

[mint mountain]

Ok

[real prawn]

Wait, it's set to 1.35V but droops to 1.28?

[tall pelican]

integral's is the best for new overclockers

[tall pelican]

I can get 1.45 to drop to high 1.2, with the equivalent of level 5, just has to do with current

[real prawn]

Oh I see now. They said raising their LLC didn't do much for raising the voltage under load.

I mean, the highest level LLC should be keeping the voltage pretty steady at the set voltage.

Though I haven't done Intel overclocking in a long time, so I have no idea if it's wildly different than AMD when it comes to voltage and LLC.

LLC 2 for me on X570 droops about 20-30 mV, LLC 1 overvolts by about 5-10 mV and stays there. Not sure if Z590 or the specific MB brand does the same.

[proven canopy]

who wrote that google doc lol

[tall pelican]

higher llc will keep voltage monitoring software showing steady voltage, but transients will be just as bad, if not worse than a lower llc

here's 1.45v set in bios on the equivalent of level 5 llc (gigabyte high)

that's just r23

[lavish tundra]

Like guy was asking how to do it

Thats just steps

[tall pelican]

Set VDIMM and VSOC to baseline values.
Set frequency to a baseline value.
Primary timings: initial tightening and gauging baseline timing

first 3 steps give you literally no help

[lavish tundra]

True

[tall pelican]

in step 5, why would you even touch vcore?

the rest of the "guide" is lower X timing by 1 and test

"tWR
If lower than recommended value, set tWR = tRAS - tRCD
Repeat until unstable or tWR = 8:
tWR - 1"
is just flat out wrong

[lavish tundra]

Fr?

Its what the other guide links for amd platform

https://www.github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/tree/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md

Like that guide links to a reddit post explaining stuff about amd ram oc

Which points to the google doc

[real prawn]

I'm not sure why that Google doc was linked in that reddit post. It's pretty awful.

Maybe it's good from the perspective of seasoned overclockers that have more of a feel for these things.

I decided to kinda just throw together some values and see if it works. Mainly going a little bit above the recommended values (so a little loose on everything). I figure that if it was running at 3733 and 3800, it should be able to do generally loose values on 3600.

I also decided to do 16-20-20-40 at the recommendation of Craipop

Since I figure CL16 should be achievable if CL17 was fine on 3733, and CL16 lasted over an hour on 3733

[real prawn]

So, my windows is corrupted 😂

16-18-18-38 tRC 40 wasn't very happy

I should practice running sfc /scannow more often

yay it recovered

[open surge]

OC @4.4GHz for 1.2V, successful OCCT 1h Linpack and 30m CPU Large-Extreme tests \o/

On air cooling solution.

[open surge]

Huh

Prime95 does not agree.

[real prawn]

OH

Yeah Prime95 is pretty nuts

[open surge]

It crashed in like 5 minutes XD

[real prawn]

But OH, I think I messed up pretty bad. Apparently tRC is supposed to be tRP + tRAS... which in this case is 60... but I have it set at 44 😂

[open surge]

In Chinese please ?

(Traditional Ch)

[real prawn]

uh

I don't know chinese

[open surge]

Jk, I do not either.

[real prawn]

Many of the RAM values are based off each other, so you can do math based on some values to determine what other values are supposed to be

[open surge]

Neither did I understand this

[real prawn]

I basically set a value WAY, WAY lower than it should be, and is probably why my system corrupted a little bit ago

[open surge]

OMG

Prime95 crashed again.

[real prawn]

Are you doing smaller FFTs? I think that's the most intensive one

Before it crashes, do any of the threads fail to calculate some values?

A thread will stop if the value is too far outside a range

[open surge]

I did not want to exceed 1.2 and I already was @1.21

It bluescreens

[real prawn]

I see

[open surge]

So I do not get to see anything.

And I use default values.

[real prawn]

Hmm, you might not be giving it enough voltage, but I know you're on air cooling

I haven't overclocked Intel in a while, especially the older chips. What's the max voltage for that chip?

[open surge]

Yeah, I know it is about Voltage.

Most people seem not to exceed 1.3/1.35V

But I do not plan on stroking the limits.

[real prawn]

It seems that 1.3V is the accepted safe for long term use

[open surge]

Neither in Voltage or Temp.

I reached 83-84°C in OCCT.

With only 1.2

Which is already kind of warm.

[real prawn]

I'd say to lower clocks, raise voltage in 10mV steps (0.01V), until it gets too hot for your tastes (probably 85C in my opinion), back it off 10 mV then pump the clock. Then pump clock until it crashes, back off 100 or 200 Mhz

Though it seems like you're already there I guess, lol

[open surge]

Well, I spent my day doing that.

[real prawn]

If you're at 4.4 Ghz, then 4.3 Ghz would probably be good. an extra 400 Mhz (if the max turbo is 3.9 Ghz) is pretty great

[open surge]

Well, not exactly that.

But first I tried achieving stable 4.3 in OCCT.

So I could see the temp it would reach then.

[real prawn]

what air cooler are you using?

[open surge]

Since it would not go over 78°C, I clocked it 100MHz higher.

Hyper 212 EVO.

[real prawn]

Hmm, yeah. That's a pretty decent budget cooler, but it can't do much.

[open surge]

A lot of people with 4690K I have seen on google seemed to have the same.

[real prawn]

I have one on my old 1700X, max I could get was 3.8 Ghz, above the 3.5 Ghz base.

[open surge]

Yeah, I got it when I first built this PC.

It was running a Pentium G3258.

[real prawn]

I would say to get a beefier cooler, but you could probably take that money and get a newer CPU and motherboard.

[open surge]

Oooooh no I cannot XD

[real prawn]

lol

[open surge]

CPU + MoBo would cost me 10 times the price of a new cooler.

And I would have to change my RAM.

[real prawn]

I thought 4th gen was DDR4?

[open surge]

DDR3

The borderline XD

[real prawn]

What...

I could've sworn the only reason 4th gen wasn't compatible with 3rd or 2nd was because of DDR4

[open surge]

I chose the wrong generation to build my first PC with XD

[real prawn]

[open surge]

It is compatible with DDR3.

I do not know for DDR2, though.

[real prawn]

I had a 3570k and I remember that I wouldn't have been able to upgrade to 4th gen

Wow, I feel extra jipped

[open surge]

Yeah, but 3xxx is third gen, not fourth.

[real prawn]

This whole time I remember it was it being DDR4, but no, it was just Intel being dumb

Right. My goal was to have a 3570k, but then upgrade to a 4770k or whatever a year or two later

This was 8 years ago

[open surge]

I have tried putting my hands down on a 4770K.

I have been waiting like 10 minutes before the end of an auction on eBay.

It was 80€.

[real prawn]

I looked for a 4790k and it's insane that they're all $100+ in the US

The 3770k was about $50-60 not too long ago

I got a 2600k for about $30

[open surge]

But 4 more people walked in the auction room and we started pressing the bid button like autistic monkeys.

[real prawn]

LOL

brb, fixing timings

[open surge]

Okay

Since I could not win the auction for 4770K, I backed off to the 4690K which was 100€ but on direct buy at a German seller (so very close to my country).

[real prawn]

Was this a while ago, or was this a recent purchase?

Oh, you said you had a pentium, so it must've been kinda recent

How do you feel about the upgrade? Did it improve things?

[open surge]

January 2020.

Well, it was necessary as I wanted to change my GPU.

I was planning on buying both CPU and GPU on eBay.

I had a GTX 760.

I was looking for 1070-1080Ti, but those were too expensive for second-hand hardware. And I lost all the auctions for 1070Ti I found. Not to mention the new monitor I had to buy since the previous one was dead.

So I went for the second-hand i5 and a GTX 1660S (there was a discount on it).

[real prawn]

I see

[open surge]

My Pentium could not have handled the GTX 1660S.

BTW, besides with OC Genie feature from the MoBo, I never tried OCing my Pentium.

How are your timings now ?

[real prawn]

16-18-18-38 does not boot properly, but 16-19-19-38 did and is fine so far

[open surge]

I still have 1333 XDDDDDD

[real prawn]

I'm considering just letting it relax back to 16-20-20-40 and leaving it there. Then moving on to PBO overclocking

[open surge]

So I guess timing are not a top priority for me.

[real prawn]

Well, frequency is your 1333, timings would be the four numbers with dashes

1333 is usually CL9 or CL10

[open surge]

Yeah, I know.

It's CL9.

[real prawn]

You could probably try

though I don't know how good a memory overclock would be

at least on that processor

[open surge]

Well, I do not think how I could get any benefit from this.

[real prawn]

also, for reference, I have spent 3 days overclocking this ram now

Like, a solid 25 hours so far

[open surge]

Moreover, my sticks do not have thermal dissipation modules or whatever they call it.

[real prawn]

ah I see

yeah

[open surge]

So much patience.

A couple more hundreds of hours and you will reach the amount of time I spent modding my Skyrim again and again, hoping for a stable game.

[real prawn]

LOL

I guess skyrim nodding and ram overclocking have a lot in common 😂

[open surge]

In both case, you have to deal with hazardous instability issues.

The difference is Skyrim instability does not crash your PC.

[real prawn]

Or corrupt your windows install I'd bet

[open surge]

But it dusts your fans off.

[real prawn]

lol

[dull ginkgo]

And reset cmos can't fix skyrim :(

[real prawn]

Lol

[open surge]

OOOOOOUUUAAAAH !

BJ.

[real prawn]

I mean, if you copied the game to another drive as a backup everytime you made a change, then maybe

[open surge]

I did not see this one coming 😂

[open surge]

Well, I used to manipulate my files that way.

But with an hard drive ?

[real prawn]

I think once I confirm if this 3600 16-19-19-38 is stable, I'll leave it there, test, and then move onto PBO

[open surge]

It was taking forever to copy the 7Gigs of base game files.

[real prawn]

lol yeah

Just gotta get yourself a good NVMe for way more than your processor costs, lol

[open surge]

BTW, how can tweaking something in the BIOS ruin your Windows install ?

[open surge]

Whatever pleases you Mister Einstein, where should I plug the NVMe on a Z87 Mobo ? 😂

BTW, that is one of the reason why I bought new SSDs a month ago.

[real prawn]

Overclocking memory can make it unstable. Instability could mean that 1s and 0s get messed up. As a result, say, Windows does something in the background and it needs memory to change a value in the operating system.

If the data gets corrupted in memory and then it over writes that data into the operating system files, that can cause corruption

[open surge]

Including a 1TB one.

[real prawn]

You could get a PCIe to M.2 card

[dull ginkgo]

Btw, you using 2t with gdm off or...?

[real prawn]

The latest NVMe drives are only x4

[real prawn]

1T GDM off... lol

[open surge]

Okay, I thought there were mechanisms designed to prevent this kind of errors.

[dull ginkgo]

Uhhhhhh

[real prawn]

I guess GDM on with 1T, or 2T with off would be more stable?

[dull ginkgo]

That might be a reason of why if it's not booting..?

[real prawn]

Yeah, the guide I'm reading did mention that

[dull ginkgo]

Gdm helps you get 1t with higher frequencies, but in return, iirc tRCD has to be even

[real prawn]

I just know someone said 2T can reduce performance pretty significantly

[open surge]

That is cheating. And I do not have a real use for something this fast. I have a pretty low end old MoBo, so I am just expecting terrible bottlenecks.

[real prawn]

Yeah, I know GDM at least didn't allow CL to be even. But back on the stock XMP, it was 16-17-17-35 with GDM On

[dull ginkgo]

Eh, tbh, I don't think it's that great a performance drop, anyways

[real prawn]

I guess I could save this 16-19-19-38 1T since it seems stable

then try GDM and compare the performance

or 2T or whatever

[open surge]

BTW, why not boot on a Linux system instead of Windows ? If it can help you avoid Windows reinstalls every time you mess things up with your RAM ?

[dull ginkgo]

If it works, it works.

[open surge]

Todd Howards seconds that.

[dull ginkgo]

Gdm helps you when 1t doesn't work

[dull ginkgo]

Todd howards says if it ain't broke, don't fix it, if it is broke, fix it tomorrow

[real prawn]

this testing program is on windows. And ideally, I'd want to make sure it is stable in windows

I keep my important files off my windows boot drive, so I can nuke windows at any time

[open surge]

He also said "It just works"

[dull ginkgo]

Yes

[real prawn]

Actually, maybe I could partition it again and give, like 64GB to windows, then install the other programs to the remaining 275ish GB

I have a 40-60 GB partition for Ubuntu currently

[open surge]

Yeah, but having to go through the whole installation process, just to say "no, I do not want to share my location with you", "no, I do not want you to manage my bank account", "no, you will not have access to my pr0n browsing history", again and again...

[real prawn]

I don't mind it. Only takes a few minutes. I can go from nothing to installed in a few minutes

then just drivers

I used to always reinstall windows every 6 months, but I stopped doing that kind od

[open surge]

Yeah, but you need portable installations, or Windows is going to mess things up with filepaths.

[real prawn]

maybe. I usually just remap the user files and programs

[open surge]

Remapping is a pain in the ass.

[real prawn]

Maybe I could look into setting up an active directory or something, or using SCCM

With active directory, I should be able to map my user files and programs more easily

[open surge]

Like my fresh W10 install remembered the PATH to Winrar after I switched from W7 because Winrar was still installed on the D: Drive.

[real prawn]

Hmm. Did you upgrade or format and install?

[open surge]

Format and install.

[real prawn]

that's interesting. I've never seen Windows do that

[open surge]

Then I backed up my files from the D: to the E: (the 1TB SSD), and formatted D:.

[real prawn]

Alright. I wonder if I should do 2T with GDM off, or 1T with GDM On. This is to try 16-18-18-38

[open surge]

: /

I cannot answer this question

BTW, I am running P95 again.

[dull ginkgo]

2t more stable, 1t gdm more performance

[open surge]

When you asked for the FFTs.

I have the "Blend all of the above" option ticked.

[dull ginkgo]

Blend bad

[open surge]

Ah !

[dull ginkgo]

Smallfft is best for heat if you want heat

If you want to check errors just use OCCT :p

[open surge]

OCCT ran fine on 4.4GHz/1.2V

[real prawn]

I thought smallerfft was best for heat, not smallfft

[open surge]

I changed to 1.22 because P95 Bluescreened my PC.

[dull ginkgo]

Smallfft is best for heat

[open surge]

Well, I'll try both.

[dull ginkgo]

Smallest fft is for something else, don't remember

[open surge]

BTW, why Blend bad ?

[dull ginkgo]

It's just low stress

[open surge]

Ah !

And it already crashed my PC XD

[dull ginkgo]

Like my CPU runs 50c under blend, 105c max under smallfft when it was running 1.35v

[open surge]

Can I have a real time display of temperatures within P95 ?

[dull ginkgo]

No

[open surge]

Ok

[dull ginkgo]

Use smth like hwinfo64

[open surge]

Hwinfo64, coreTemp, and the likes, yeah

I got them

91 R U F***** kidding me 😂

[dull ginkgo]

It's smallfft, sounds normal for temp

[open surge]

95 !

[dull ginkgo]

Yep

[open surge]

😭

If I cry on my PC, my tears are going to cool it out.

[real prawn]

doesn't like 16-18-18-38, or 16-18-18-40 with 1T GDM. Will try 43 and 2T, GDM off

[open surge]

98 !

[dull ginkgo]

Smallfft can kill your confidence in your cooler

Oh well

[open surge]

😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱

It does XD

[real prawn]

I mean, I think I usually get 95C+ on P95 with my 3950X.

[open surge]

100

[dull ginkgo]

Might want to try and lower voltage if it goes over

[proven canopy]

[dull ginkgo]

Lol

[real prawn]

But in reality, it almost never goes above 80C ,even on a 100% usage video encode.

[open surge]

Imma switch that off

[dull ginkgo]

:ln2: when?

[proven canopy]

lol, idk, maybe if I find a good/memworthy pic to turn into an emoji

[open surge]

I do not want to kill my CPU, it is the only one I have for LGA1150.

[real prawn]

You'd only be able to kill it if you ride on tjMAX all the time

Or slam it with 1.5V or something

[open surge]

I do not know what to think.

The thing is I do not know how long such temps are going to be sustained.

I thought it was supposed to throttle when >90.

[real prawn]

hmm. 16-18-18-42, tRC 62, 2T GDM Off doesn't work.

I just don't think 18 is possible for tRCD

I could try 15-20-20-40

[proven canopy]

what ic

[real prawn]

I don't know the specific details, but Fal mentioned Hynix CJR

on the sticker, it's Rev 5.32 for the Vengeance LPX

I'm not sure where he found those details. Last time I tried looking for the chip types I had to dig through a ton of websites.

and ultimately gave up

[dull ginkgo]

Thaiphoon burner any help?

[proven canopy]

I'd go with googling what rev 5.32 lpx is rather than even bothering with thaiphoon

https://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=178400

First results for googling "rev 5.32 lpx"

[open surge]

These tests stress me more than they stress my CPU LMFAO

Yay, BS-ed.

[proven canopy]

[open surge]

Never thought I would come to consider Bluescreens "usual".

Now I do.

[real prawn]

I mean, sure, but there's already two people in there that conflicted on CFR and CJR. Where did they even abstract that information from?

This means that there's some official documentation somewhere or something. Unless someone spent time removing the covers and looking at the chips.

[open surge]

I have seen some reach 4.5GHz with less than 1.15V, while I am here...struggling with my 4.3GHz hoping to stay below the 1.2V.

Did not win the manufacturing lottery.

[real prawn]

Now I'm reading that it could be CJR or AFR for 5.32

I'm just gonna try CL15 and see what happens. If it doesn't work, I'll do 16-19-19-38, 1T GDM off and call it a day, since I know that's at least 25 minutes stable.

[open surge]

Did you not just say you were calling it a day should the 16-19-19-19-38 work ?

[real prawn]

kinda yeah

[open surge]

Like 30 minutes ago

[real prawn]

but I realized I never tried CL15

[open surge]

A man, true to his words !

[proven canopy]

Overclocking isn't the worst addiction to have

[open surge]

OMG !

Bluescreen again !

For f*** sake !

I have to drink sake

[proven canopy]

@orchid flame What's lpx rev 5.32

[real prawn]

doesn't like CL15 and I corrupted windows again, lol

16-19-19-38 it is

[open surge]

It is, BTW.

Otherwise it is called masochism.

[proven canopy]

https://hwbot.org/team/wegg/

[open surge]

You cannot do that just for fun

[real prawn]

a worse addiction would be spending money on top end parts, regardless of value, and not overclocking a K chip on a $300 board

[open surge]

You could have put it in a simpler way.

"A worse addiction would be being drop dead rich."

[real prawn]

lol

My brother has a 10900K on a $250 Z570 board, 64 GB of RAM, 1000w platinum evga, and a 3090

no overclocking whatsoever, in a Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL

NZXT Z73

makes me kinda sad, especially that his PC without overclocking is faster than my 3950X overclocked

[open surge]

That is rich.

Bling bling

[real prawn]

Though, I guess it's kinda cheating, because they boost to 5.1-5.0 Ghz no problem out of the box

[open surge]

Well, it is kind of a factory OC.

[sudden torrent]

Ver 5.32 is supposed to be CJR

[real prawn]

yeah

You were right Fal, I did get 3600 CL16

just with 16-19-19-38

I did also manage it on 1T with GDM off

[sudden torrent]

Oh nice! I figured you could get it there. I'm guessing it needed a bit more voltage?

[real prawn]

Not at all. It just didn't like 3400 Mhz for some reason

Still at 1.4V

[sudden torrent]

Huh. Weird. Well if it works, it works.

[real prawn]

3733 and 3800 were kind of working at CL18, but was not stable enough

I think my 3950X doesn't like FLCK above 1866

[sudden torrent]

Pretty common for the 3000 series to not like over 1800. Past that it's up to binning and luck.

[real prawn]

yeah

[radiant turret]

hello all, i am new to playing games on a Pc i am currently running a gigabyte 2070 with i7 9700k on a aorus z390 pro wifi board. would it make a substantial difference in FPS if i were to OC and would it be worth the extra amount of stress i would be putting on machine?

[real prawn]

I also kept the tRFC (apparently) a little conservative at 280ns, which is the top end of of the 260-280 range specified for CJR on the guide I was using

[sudden torrent]

Overclock your memory and the GPU and you could get 10-15% more fps @radiant turret

[open surge]

I am already sustaining 92°C with 4.3GHz, 1.185V, no wonder it would go 98°C on 4.4GHz with 1.22 and still keep crashing.

[sterile flame]

should i yolo and just daily 1.35

[sterile flame]

98 at 1.22?

the hell

what cooler lol

[open surge]

https://tenor.com/view/meltdown-gif-4975493

[radiant turret]

i ran the ram up to 3200 with the xmp in bios already is that what you would consider an Overclock or are you talking manually go up

[open surge]

212 Evo

[sterile flame]

oh

no wonder

[sudden torrent]

1.35 On cpu? Can you cool it and how long do you need it to live?

[open surge]

Not a single one XD

[sterile flame]

yes i can cool it, uh

[sudden torrent]

Ewww 212

[real prawn]

this battery replacement needs to get here faster. My Pixel 3 went from 100% to 14% in 4 hours and I think the back is bulging a little more than yesterday

[sterile flame]

normal lifespan

[open surge]

It is a decent cooler considering the price.

Just not meant for OCing.

[sterile flame]

gammax 400 is better

[sudden torrent]

No it's not considering coolers half the price cool better

[sterile flame]

212 is a prism but bigger and looks worse

[open surge]

Dude, I am running a Haswell processor.

I built my during Haswell era.

There was not many coolers this efficient in this price range.

[sudden torrent]

Yes, back in the day it was good but these days...

[real prawn]

I can attest to that. 7-8 years ago, it was Evo 212 or $100+ AIO

[open surge]

These days do not matter since I built it 6 years ago. And prices are not the same in my country as in the USAs.

[real prawn]

so should I call you 4690K or Echec?

[open surge]

Besides, I was not running on an i5.

Why "Echec" ?

Oh okay, my tag.

[sudden torrent]

Account name

[open surge]

Yeah, yeah.

[real prawn]

that's what it says your username is, lol

[open surge]

Did not think he would check it out.

[real prawn]

well, it's weird to call someone 4690K

[sudden torrent]

Just need to click a name to see it

[real prawn]

I was going to say "Echec built it a while ago with a pentium", but you said it first, lol

[open surge]

Well, "EchecCritique.exe" is because I always prove unlucky when it comes to random.

I can generate statistic anomalies.

BTW, someone mentioned OC-ing GPU. Can it be done efficiently on a Zotac card with original air cooling system ?

[real prawn]

noo! 16-19-19-38 threw an error!

[open surge]

"Ha ha haaaa ! You didn't say the magic wooord !"

[real prawn]

I was able to overclock my 2070 Zotac, but it was the non-A versoion or whatever, so it was limited to 200W

[open surge]

[real prawn]

For GPUs, you usually run out of stability before you run out of cooling.

[open surge]

"Non-A version ?"

Ah !

[real prawn]

There's two 2070s, a normal chip, and a chip limited to 200W

[open surge]

Did not get much of a choice as to my 1660S.

[sudden torrent]

You underestimate the power of the meme that is Zotac

[real prawn]

I got a Zotac Mini, which turned out to be the 200W limited one.

[open surge]

Unless it is implied.

[real prawn]

I also killed my 2070 by touching two wires on purpose-accident.

[open surge]

[real prawn]

yep

[open surge]

I would throw myself out of the windows for ruining my 200€ card.

I would not stand it.

[real prawn]

Hmm, so I guess I have to do 16-20-20-38 or 16-20-20-40

yeah

[open surge]

So, stock values, right ?

[real prawn]

stock values for this ram is 3000 Mhz 15-17-17-35

[open surge]

Ah !

[real prawn]

I will have it at 3600 Mhz 16-20-20-38 for this next test

[open surge]

How much of an impact is increasing CAS latency while boosting clockspeed to an extra 600MHz ?

[real prawn]

higher frequency usually means lower access time at the same CAS

[open surge]

So it is correlated ?

[real prawn]

see "effect on memory speed access"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency

yes

[open surge]

Okay

So you can do some math beforehand to get an expectation of how efficient your RAM will be according to the latency/frequency tradeoff ?

[real prawn]

So for 3000 Mhz CL15, it's:

10.00 ns	11.00 ns	12.33 ns

That's first word, fourth word, eigth word. Basically just means parts of data

yeah, basically kinda

[open surge]

Okay

[real prawn]

But there's more than just CAS latency. CAS Latency is just the first number of that 15-17-17-35 sequence

[sudden torrent]

You can calculate the cas latency in ns by using this equation: "CAS"/(Speed/2000)

[proven canopy]

https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/364651-dram-first-word-latency

[real prawn]

Oh, you can use the freq/2000 calculation for any of the numbers? At least for from/to nanoseconds?

[proven canopy]

Someone post the excel sheet

[real prawn]

so ns to cycles or whatever

I was using it to go from ns to cycles for tRFC

[proven canopy]

Close enough #cpus-mobo-and-memory message

[open surge]

Is the CL determined from the four numbers sequence ?

[sudden torrent]

CL is the first number, aka CAS

[open surge]

So in "15-17-17-35" it is 15, right ?

[sterile flame]

yes

[open surge]

Okay

[real prawn]

jesus. Imagine 5600 CL7 😂

On a Zen 3

[open surge]

Does that even exist ?

[real prawn]

I don't think so

[sterile flame]

yeah if you wanna run 7-48-48-89

[sudden torrent]

No, not possible

[proven canopy]

Benching on 4800c14 is meta

or 4000 12 11 11 28

Rocket lake can do 5100+ with straight 14's

[sterile flame]

Might be depending on ddr5

doubt it though

[open surge]

I will never have the money for that s*** anyway...

[sudden torrent]

DDR5 is a different story, theoretically we can get reduced latencies with the new bus design

[real prawn]

I don't think it actually has any significant performance anyways. Only really used by overclockers for peak numbers

[open surge]

Okay, so less than half as mine XD

[sudden torrent]

Hey @proven canopy do you think it would be worth pushing my b-die kit to 4800, or should I keep it 1:1?

[open surge]

Ouch, my P95 got the long face. 90°C in average for 1.185V, 4.3GHz, I guess I will call it the right spot to stay in.

[real prawn]

I know der8auer did a video on desyncing the FLCK and memory

[proven canopy]

I forget what platform you're on, but 4800 cl(anything) is not going to be daily stable

[sudden torrent]

Zen 3 / X470

[real prawn]

IIRC the result was that desyncing FLCK was not worth it

[proven canopy]

lol no

[real prawn]

he even tried 5100 Mhz ram

[sterile flame]

5100 ram is ass most of the time

19-26-26-48 at 1.5v

[real prawn]

yeah

[tall pelican]

that's actually pretty good

[real prawn]

I'm sad 16-19-19-38 threw an error but I guess it's whatever. I just hope 16-20-20-38 is stable

[proven canopy]

Nobody who buys 5100 ram runs it xmp

Shouldn't really be doing that with anything rated over 4000

Especially on an asus board,

[open surge]

So, what are the three numbers following CAS ?

[sterile flame]

system agent gonna assassinate the cpu

[sudden torrent]

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3333-memory-timings-defined-cas-latency-trcd-trp-tras

[sterile flame]

of course i don't get dynamic OC switching on b550e

[open surge]

Oooh !

[real prawn]

I bet I can get a 10900K to run at 6.5 Ghz on air, but probably only for about 2 seconds

[open surge]

Okay, those are those things that wear weird names.

[open surge]

Which comes near to 0 interest XD

Except for flexing on Reddit.

[sterile flame]

You bet?

[real prawn]

lol

[open surge]

He dares you.

[sudden torrent]

The naming makes sense on latencies once you know what the acronyms mean and how they work together

[real prawn]

If I killed my brother's 10900K, he would literally murder me

like, I would be dead

[sterile flame]

so what you're saying is

you should kill it

[real prawn]

Kill it, buy him a 5900X, rebuild the system all without him knowing 😂

[sudden torrent]

I think he'd notice the drastic increase in thread count

[open surge]

I know, I was just referring to a lot of comments I have seen on this channel, where people would say "Okay tKchépaci is at 16, tQchépaça is at 16" and all those things that made me think those people were diagnosing someone and checking his vitals numbers and all.

[real prawn]

LOL

[open surge]

"Look, he lacks magnesium and he got severe hypokaliemia."

[sudden torrent]

Someone talk me out of doing 1.55v daily on my memory, I'm considering pushing for 3800C12

[real prawn]

I mean, if you have a spare kit, go ahead

[tall pelican]

1.55 most likely wont get you 3800c12

I tried up to 1.65 on my good kit, and was barely boot stable

[open surge]

When you fall short on ideas of what to do with your money XD

[tall pelican]

if you have just 2x8, go for 3800c13 gdm off

[sudden torrent]

I'm already doing 14-13-13-28, I might just do that

[real prawn]

if I had that kind of money, I'd already have purchased 450 TB worth of hard drives

[sudden torrent]

And yes I do have a spare 3200 C-Die kit

[open surge]

Of magnetic tapes.

[real prawn]

no, 7200 RPM HDDs

[open surge]

No, mag master race

[real prawn]

I could get a 45 drives chassis and 45 10 TB drives

[open surge]

worst writing speed evah

[real prawn]

actually, I guess I could just go 60 drives and 14 TB

840 TB raw, lol

[sudden torrent]

There's 100TB SSDs now

Just do that

[real prawn]

probably about 642 TB usable

[sudden torrent]

Get 10 and make it a 1PB raid array

[open surge]

Yeah XD

[left blade]

DarkSwordsman#0001 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[real prawn]

oh woops

[open surge]

GG

[real prawn]

can't say the f word I guess

I was gonna say, if I had f you money then sure, 100 TB ssds

[open surge]

Half of my vocab consists of bad language, but I manage to stay unnoticed here.

[sudden torrent]

They're 40k US each

[real prawn]

Holy crap

[open surge]

Okay, forget it.

Run.

[real prawn]

yeah no way, that's just wasteful

[sudden torrent]

At least they're SAS drives for servers lol

[real prawn]

16 TB drives would be better

hdds

[sudden torrent]

12 Gb speed

[open surge]

Does not matter if you have to lose 100TB of storage for a single drive failure.

[real prawn]

6 zpools of 10 each, raidz2 for 8+2 redundant

Then duplicate that off site

[sudden torrent]

I was joking about the raid array, I know it's best to do it differently

[open surge]

And all this for hosting a Webhost-grade quality hosting service XD

[real prawn]

I wouldn't mind getting PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives (TLC preferably) and doing, like, 8 of them in RAID 0 😜

[sudden torrent]

Raid 0, aka YOLO raid

[open surge]

SLC master race

[real prawn]

I was actually planning out a 8x 1 TB SSD server that would've been RAID 0 for a place I used to work at. Was going to be a lancache

20 Gbps SFP+ teamed or 40 Gbps QSFP

[sudden torrent]

Make sure to have some sort of fault tolerance or error checking in place with all those disks

[real prawn]

Yeah. I know that many enterprise drives come with automatic error checking, and it would've had ecc memory

oh gosh I really hope 16-20-20-38 is stable. I'm kinda tired of Ocing the ram now, lol.

[sudden torrent]

That's... not sufficient. At least have a couple parity drives.

[real prawn]

20m in, no errors

[sudden torrent]

🤞

[real prawn]

I guess so. Could make sense in a lancache setup where it barely writes, but mostly reads.

RAID 5 I guess it was? Not sure what the equivalent in ZFS is

[sudden torrent]

Yeah raid 5 is raid 0 + parity

Raid 10 would be even more ideal, with the speed and size of 0 with the redundancy of 1

[real prawn]

Ah, I remember now. RAID 5 has basically 1 drive of redundancy. Write speed of one drive, but read of all drives.

Would've been great for a lancache actually. Max speed on a single provider was 1 Gbps anyways

after this memory test, I'll do an encoding benchmark and then start working on PBO for my 3950X

[open surge]

Question, my Small FFTs has been running for almost an hour now, and it is 2 am. Any idea how long it is going to last ?

[real prawn]

P95 runs infinitely IIRC

[open surge]

What ?

[sudden torrent]

Yep, it runs as long as you allow it

[real prawn]

I think 1 hour is fine. Though, you could run it over night

[open surge]

I ran a Blended test yesterday, and it stopped eventually.

[sudden torrent]

I wouldn't do that one overnight tbh, too much risk

[real prawn]

If you run it overnight and it is still running in the morning, it's a very stable OC

really?

PC should just reboot

Oh, not small ffts overnight

yeah

[open surge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/550348566284206103/830958178224570376/unknown.png

Yeah, I guess so.

[real prawn]

you'd probably want smaller fft whatever is a little less than that

though I could've sworn that smaller fft was actually more intensive than small fft

[sudden torrent]

If it overheats and everything is working right, yes ideally it just shuts off. There's always the chance it doesn't work right and gets stuck or melts something

[real prawn]

ah I see

[open surge]

And say, I was happy with 4.4GHz, but I had to go down to 4.3 😭

[real prawn]

I'd take stable and smooth over 1-4% faster

[open surge]

It is "smallest"

And yeah, it is more intensive than "small".

[open surge]

Yeah, that is what I think too XD

[sudden torrent]

My CPU does 4.7 all core but uh, it gets HOT. I need a bigger AIO or something, but to get that I need a new case or a shorter GPU...

[real prawn]

what AIO do you have now?

[open surge]

I guess I could try OCing my GPU a bit.

[real prawn]

If I've learned anything, the only logical upgrade from an AIO is almost always a custom loop

[open surge]

I would not spit on a 10% perf increase.

[sudden torrent]

ML240L, cheapo one I know but it worked for my old 65W CPU overclocked

[real prawn]

Hmm

[sudden torrent]

I could do a 360 AIO on the front but my GPU is too long

[real prawn]

I guess you could try the Arctic 280 or 360, but otherwise I'd just look into custom watercooling

[sudden torrent]

This is the logical next step yes, to finally make the move to custom cooling. My current case will not support that though, I'd get a 5000d or something but then I need a new desk too (or mod the one I have).

[real prawn]

someone I know has a 5950X in a custom loop with a GPU and it maxes out at 65C-70C stock. But my understanding is that Zen usually is hotter on stock than stable OCs usually are.

[open surge]

Cannot wait until I can build my next PC with a freezing color scheme.

[real prawn]

Which case do you have?

[sudden torrent]

Meshify C

[real prawn]

Hmm. I feel like I remember some case that supported 360mm and 280mm with plenty of space, but was pretty small

[sudden torrent]

It does support a 360 on the front, but my GPU is too long. It's only 8mm from my front fan right now.

[open surge]

Zalman Z11

[real prawn]

oh wow

[open surge]

I think you can slide a 360mm in it.

[sudden torrent]

Thinnest rad I found was 20mm

[open surge]

But it is ugly AF

[real prawn]

This mini USB about 1.5mm from the fan blades. Lol

which is hilarious because I forgot how asetek mounts work

I forgot you can set them at about 30° increments

[open surge]

I hate being late to go sleep.

[real prawn]

how long did it take to get to 95C?

And did it hit 100C then throttle?

Also, you do have a fan at the front of the case pushing air towards the heatsink, right (not including the fan on the heatsink)?

[open surge]

Who are you asking ?

[real prawn]

You

[open surge]

Oh

Well, 95 in the first 4 minutes, I guess ?

[real prawn]

I ask because I had forgotten to plug in the front fan on my nephew's meshify case. Sliding it up, adding a second fan, and plugging them in reduced temps by 10-15C

[open surge]

I have two pushing, one right on top of the radiator, and the other at the back.

[real prawn]

sounds optimal then

are the fans ramping to the temperature?

[open surge]

They do not seem to change speed.

[real prawn]

I see

[open surge]

My case is a Zalman R1 with stock fans.

[real prawn]

you may want to look at the fan settings in your bios

[open surge]

I guess they are on max speed stock.

[real prawn]

oh, really?

[open surge]

I am going to check this.

[real prawn]

I'd check. Just incase

yeah

[open surge]

BTW, it is like 15-19°C in my appartment.

But it can go up to 40 in Summer XD

[real prawn]

oh my

[open surge]

Oh ?!

Sys fans were at 80% max

I cranked them up to 100%.

[real prawn]

hmm that's pretty high already I guess

I mean, it may help, just depends on what you are okay with for sound

[open surge]

Well, I do not mind the noise.

I already have a "lame extractor hood", the compressors of my fridge and freezer whistling H24, so...

[real prawn]

lol

[open surge]

I got to go now, thank you for your advices, the talk and all. Night :D

[real prawn]

good night!

40m was good, so I'll call that stable

wrote all my settings down on a piece of paper just incase, lol

[orchid flame]

CJR

given the PCB
should wall near 4000

[proven canopy]

thanks

[tall pelican]

or do 4500+

[orchid flame]

LOL

truu

nah
most CJR softwalls 4000-4133 though

[tall pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328891236918493184/727241932430114986/sicc.PNG

[orchid flame]

sir is this CJR?

[tall pelican]

timings went to shit, but 4500 was max I could boot on the board/cpu

yeah

[orchid flame]

yep

[tall pelican]

5.32

[orchid flame]

kk
softwall

timings go to complete ass

nice tRFC though

surprised 300ns works

[tall pelican]

like 100mhz per tick of timing

its just jedec apart from primaries

[orchid flame]

@tall pelican uhhhh

What’s with the super low tREFI?

[tall pelican]

jedec

[orchid flame]

Oh

Don’t look at JEDEC Refresh tbh

I do wonder how much higher tREFI will be on DDR5

Smaller nodes means smaller capacitance and less leakage, means higher tREFI

And lower tRFC as well

[tall pelican]

inb4 same because jedec isnt original

[orchid flame]

Lol they just didn’t change it

Sounds like JEDEC

[orchid flame]

10ns tRCD is bound to fail

at least at/above 3600

also
why is GDM off?

[real prawn]

I was advised that GDM off can allow for slightly faster speeds.

I guess it wouldn't hurt to turn it on

but I'm kinda tired for today, tested my 16-20-20-38 twice and it's basically stable, so I'm gonna move onto PBO.

[sudden torrent]

GDM mostly affects CAS. If that's an odd number, GDM adds 1 to CAS. Without GDM on it'll default to 2T command rate, which tends to be slower than increasing the CAS.

[real prawn]

Wait, I'm confused

[wheat jasper]

should i overclock my gpu?

[real prawn]

Everytime I used GDM, it would force odds to evens. But you're saying that without GDM, it can run odds, but sets 2T?

So GDM with odd numbers allows it to run at 1T, but not as fast as 1T without GDM?

But that doesn't make sense, because it forces it to evens

Idk, my OC is stable on 16 with GDM off and 1T. moving onto PBO after a benchmark

[orchid flame]

...no thats the opposite

anyways
if you want to run CJR at ideal

you'll mainly be running 3800 16-20-20-34 or smth smiliar

and since you're on AMD

[real prawn]

3800 CL16 was unstable, even at 22-22-42, but I did run it on 1T with GDM off

[orchid flame]

18-20-18-19-34-54

there you go then

[real prawn]

Maybe I'll try it some other time

[sudden torrent]

GDM is for stability mostly

[orchid flame]

you'll be aiming at about 280ns tRFC

it does help stability
especially at higher clocks

[real prawn]

Yeah, I currently have 280ns, which works out to 504 for 3600

[orchid flame]

what vDIMM?

[real prawn]

then the /1.346 and /1.625 rule for 2 and 4

[sudden torrent]

Ryzen tends to be less stable with odd number CAS at CR 1T, so GDM is to help with that

[orchid flame]

1.45 is max I'd daily

[real prawn]

1.4V

here's my current stable OC

[orchid flame]

lower tRCDWR and tRAS

change this

1.05

assuming this is 2 dimms, change your RTT

rest looks good

[real prawn]

isn't tRAS usually tCL + tRCDRD +2?

[orchid flame]

no

thats a BS rule

[sterile flame]

tfw you wrote it in a notepad instead of using notepad

[orchid flame]

what are we, Jufes

[real prawn]

Yeah, because 99% of my time was either in BIOS or with the test running, so my computer was basically frozen

[orchid flame]

which test? TM5?

[real prawn]

Yeah, with anta777

[orchid flame]

k

oh yeah

[real prawn]

extreme or whatever

[orchid flame]

@tall pelican btw

I made an edit of Anta

few small changes

[tall pelican]

I just run occt

[orchid flame]

yeah yeah fitz

we get it

[real prawn]

So what would happen if I accepted my current OC and waited to do those modifications you mentioned until later? Is it that much performance?

I've basically done this for 30 hours straight and I'd like to move onto PBO, since people said PBO would be insane compared to my current 4.15 Ghz OC.

On a 3950X

[orchid flame]

is your batch newer than Feb 2020?

[real prawn]

For my 3950X? Or the RAM?

Both were before feb 2020

[orchid flame]

3950x

[real prawn]

I bought my 3950x in I think JAnuary?

[orchid flame]

meh
you'll have some issues with PBO
but thats fine

feb 2020 was a massive mask and litho level change for Matisse

[real prawn]

of course it was -_-

So is that why the benchmarks I see online are, like, ridiculously higher than what my 3950X achieves at 4.15 Ghz?

[orchid flame]

dpeends

but to give you an idea

before Feb, 4.4g AVX2 stable was considered "insane"

afterwards, it was pretty average, with chips even hitting 4.6

[real prawn]

How are they even allowed to market that as the same chip?

That's ridiculous

[orchid flame]

because it is the same chip
we see this sorta stuff all the time

[real prawn]

Mine is currently limited by the slowest CCX at 4.35 Ghz

One hit 4.575 Ghz

[left blade]

Arshia#2457 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[real prawn]

lol

[orchid flame]

Early B die sucks compared to new B die for example

8700ks were better before the 8086k came out

11900K Engineering samples DEMOLISH retail chips

so on so forth

[real prawn]

So I should wait to buy a new chip until at least 6 months after release?

[orchid flame]

theres a version of the 3900x that does 4.9ghz

[real prawn]

jesus christ

[orchid flame]

its super rare
I'm looking to buy one

[real prawn]

So is that a more detailed look into "silicon lottery"?

[orchid flame]

meh
thats moreso variation

[real prawn]

It's another layer to just manufacturing tolerance?

[sudden torrent]

I do this on principle, for everything. Let them work out the bugs first. I don't need to be an early adopter.

[orchid flame]

these are changes to stepping, node improvements and mask improvements over time

[real prawn]

3950X was one of the first few things I bought brand new. Only other time was the GTX 970, which turned out to have the 3.5 GB VRAM issue.

Alright, so. I remember the last time I was really trying to overclock my 3950X, I played with per-CCX in Ryzen Master (since my ASRock X570M Pro4 doesn't support that at a BIOS level).

I think the spread was 4.35 Ghz, 4.40 Ghz, 4.5 Ghz, and 4.575 Ghz. Though, nothing above 4.35 Ghz was really that much better for R20 scores, and ultimately pulling the clock down to 4.25 Ghz was faster than anything I had ever done with 4.3 Ghz or higher.

So in that case, would PBO even be worth it? Or should I just set it back to 4.25 Ghz and call it a day?

[orchid flame]

I think the spread was 4.35 Ghz, 4.40 Ghz, 4.5 Ghz, and 4.575 Ghz.

thats good

what does it drop to in Prime?

[real prawn]

Uhhh

It didn't really drop. I was setting max speed. I wasn't even touching PBO yet.

[orchid flame]

were you on small FFTs?

you hit 4.6ghz Prime95 stable?

[real prawn]

I do know that 4.35 Ghz ended up having rounding errors in P95, so that's what prompted me to eventually drop to 4.15 Ghz.

I was on small FFTs, because it was my understanding that it was more intensive than smallest/smaller, or whatever the top option was

Oh nonono

Well

I can't remember

I don't remember if I even did P95 with the per-CCX in ryzen master

my 240mm rad was letting it creep towards 100C so I wasn't playing with it

before I forget, I'm going to benchmark this RAM OC

so yeah, the most stable I got from what I remember was 4.35, 4.4, 4.45, and 4.5. But it barely did anything for R20 scores so I gave up

4.575 was the highest I got on a single CCX without the system crashing, but it wasn't necessarily not throwing errors

Alright, the results are in.

Original memory speed of 3000 Mhz 15-17-17-35 ran the video encode at 641.78 seconds.

3333 Mhz 16-17-17-35 (which wasn't really refined further), encoded the video at 629.25 seconds.

3600 Mhz 16-20-20-38 encoded the video in 620.35 seconds.

Which basically means that a 25 hour video encode will now only take 24 hours and 10 minutes. Pretty cool.

It doesn't seem like a lot, but I guess because it's something I'll be doing a lot, it feels more meaningful, I guess 10,000 vs 9,760 in R20

[sudden torrent]

Knocked almost an hour off that 25 hour video, not bad for only changing memory.

[real prawn]

yeah

I know I could pretty easily just push it back up to 4.25 or 4.30 Ghz on the CPU, but I figured I'd give PBO a try, since people have claimed it can help push individual cores or CCXs up during a heavy load.

It does usually jump between 70-100% utilization a lot, so maybe it can

[sudden torrent]

3.4% improvement on your encode times, that's about right I think

[real prawn]

yeah, it was like 3.3xxxxxxxxx

a lot of digits, lol

[sudden torrent]

I just round up lol

[real prawn]

or actually 3.276%, but close enough

[sudden torrent]

Could say 3 1/3 % or so

[real prawn]

yeah

I still can't believe that I've effectively had 3600 Mhz CL16 RAM just sitting in my PC this whole time

[sudden torrent]

That's the power of overclocking, unleash that potential!

[real prawn]

btw, I'm guessing leaving it at 1.4V is fine? No need to try to bump it down near 1.35V again?

[sudden torrent]

You can try it lower but 1.4v is perfectly safe

If you do try to bring it down, go in 0.01 volt increments and test after every change.

[proven canopy]

1.45v max safe daily imo

[sudden torrent]

That's what I heard too, 1.45 is safe for most dies and 1.5v is safe for b-die on the daily

[real prawn]

According to this guide, in order to do PBO properly, I need to record stock behavior for p95, cinebench, and gaming.

Which is annoying, because I did this whole RAM OC on the 4.15 Ghz OC 😂

I wonder if I could just set the OC back to auto mode

but I guess a factory reset would be better

then apply the RAM OC to the stock

[sudden torrent]

Save your overclock profile in BIOS before you change it, then if you want to go back it's easier. No need to clear CMOS.

[real prawn]

I can still do a bios reset without clearing CMOS, unless that's the same thing

It sets all the BIOS settings back to 0, but keeps everything else, like my OC presets

[sudden torrent]

Your BIOS must have storage for the profiles then.
RAM overclock won't affect your CPU behavior. It's mostly watching what cores boost to what frequency, memory won't affect boosting.

[real prawn]

wow, this guide basically ended up being "do what you're already doing"

So no PBO, probably, kinda

it's a pretty awful guide to be honest

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/zen-2-ocing-the-right-way.270524/

It's a header, then just gigantic paragraphs of instructions mixed with reasoning.

[sudden torrent]

That is definitely not a friendly guide. I think I know a better one.

[real prawn]

Skimming some other links, it almost feels like I'd get a better boost by just going back to 4.25 Ghz all core and just limiting my games to the two middle CCXs where I can

I already have an inherent issue with the CCX design, getting 1-10% more performance depending on the game by just using ProcessLasso

It just sucks, because some games I play don't allow you to change the affinity

[sudden torrent]

If only you could set it so PBO works on half and you could do manual OC on the other half.

[real prawn]

I mean, I'm sure if I actually followed the recommendation in that guide, I could probably find a PBO setting that allows basically a 4.25 Ghz all-core, while bosting to 4.4-4.5 where it can on some cores to help with game performance

But that would probably take another 3-5 days, and I've spent 3 days already on this RAM OC

So it sounds like I could probably get away with 4.25 or 4.30 Ghz, and boost the voltage up a bit (since it currently droops to 1.26V on the second highest LLC setting).

I do know that Zen doesn't like when you cut it short on voltage. It's kind of like the ECC memory on the 3090, where if you go too far on speed or low voltage, it will start to take a performance hit.

I wish it worked like Intel where it could still automatically boost, but you can specify a minimum all-core under load

But then I guess Ryzen wouldn't be all that fun, would it?

Is there any chance that a higher synced FLCK can allow for slightly higher core overclocks?

Because all my previous OCing was at 1500 Mhz, not 1800 Mhz

[sudden torrent]

No, fclk won't have anything to do with the core frequency. It's more like how the cores communicate with the cache and each other.

[lavish tundra]

fclk is connected to ram not cpu tbh

[quick rose]

FCLk is literally CPU on AMD

on Intel it's the PCI-E bus clock

[lavish tundra]

yeah but ram speeds affect it not cpu speeds

[quick rose]

Kind of......

[lavish tundra]

connected as in affected by

[quick rose]

Well, you can desync them

FCLK should match ram speed

but it's not necessarily affected by it

[sudden torrent]

You could even run fclk 1800 with RAM at jedec

[lavish tundra]

true

[dim plank]

Is 4x8 still better than 2x8 in AMD 5000 series/dual channel? Without manual ram tuning and only factory DOCP used?

[sterile flame]

Eh

[tall pelican]

Its better on all platforms

[open surge]

Does anyone know a good free alternative to 3DMark ? (I would like to bench my GPU for OC)

[lavish tundra]

Just got my 3600X stable at 4375mhz all core at 2.6V

[sudden torrent]

There's the time spy demo version on steam that's free. You could also do heaven benchmark.

[open surge]

Yeah, Heaven is the one I chose finally.

Thanks

Seems doing pretty good.

But I guess I should not expect huge improvements since my GPU is already reaching 75°C.

[sudden torrent]

You could set a more aggressive fan curve, but that will only do so much. It shouldn't throttle too much until it's over 95 at least.

[open surge]

Does not seem bad (I do not know the average result on this kind of benchmarks).

For the fan curve, I do not have any BIOS options that would let me change them.

I guess I am supposed to do this through Windaube ?

[sudden torrent]

The gpu fan curve you'd adjust in afterburner
The idea is to do a before and after benchmark to see what you gain
I'd be concerned about that huge drop to 8 fps, or maybe just a background task

[open surge]

Yeah, I noticed some slight stutters during the benchmarking process.

Besides Discord and the Windaube Antimalware service, I do not have major background tasks being executed.

Afterburner is MSI Software right ? Would it work on a Zotac GPU ?

[lavish tundra]

yes

[sudden torrent]

It's for all gpus

[lavish tundra]

it works on everything

[open surge]

Okay, right. Thanks

[sudden torrent]

Best all around gpu overclock software too

[open surge]

WHAT ?

They also got Andro covered XD

Def dabest

[sudden torrent]

There's a monitoring software you can use your phone as a second screen for

[open surge]

Oh ?

Since my phone got a way better screen than my actual Desktop screen...

I would like to be able to display the image on it

[sudden torrent]

No, it would just read the sensor data

[open surge]

Already tried an Android app for my tablet, but it sucked.

[orchid flame]

Imagine shilling 2R/channel

Cringe

Also nice Sion reference

[left blade]

Arshia#2457 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[open surge]

Out of curiosity, I launched a scan. I can see it moves the clock slider overtime (it is on +135 at the moment) : is it just testing how much I clan speed up my card ?

[sudden torrent]

Yes, it's increasing and testing each step for stability. Once it finds a step that's unstable, it will drop that back and test the memory the same way.

[proven canopy]

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/videocard

[open surge]

Okayyyy

Makes sense

[sudden torrent]

Manual overclocking is preferred over the auto option, but it's a good place to start

[proven canopy]

The benches with global points are most relevant

[open surge]

Oh, thanks.
So I should try "Unigine Superposition - 1080P Xtreme", I guess ?

[proven canopy]

Sure

Heaven is fine btw

Honestly just pick up 3dmark for $5 lol

And use time spy gt2 for testing, that's what I do

[open surge]

Yeah, I guess I can just use the numbers auto mode is going to give me and tweak those.

[open surge]

Is it not 25€ ?

That is the price I have seen on Steam.

[proven canopy]

Very often goes on sale for 5

If you buy on steam, just extract the keys and run the standalone

[open surge]

Not very sure to understand what you mean by the "extracting the keys" thing.

But I take it is a collection of benchmarking programs I can run independantly, right ?

[proven canopy]

Yes, link is in the pins

[open surge]

It got me in for a few seconds, I am not going to lie :

I was like "OOOh, you are so much ahead of your time !"

Thank you for pointing the pinned messages BTW.

The scan finished with +118MHz core clock
and +200 MHz memory clock.

Oh wait, "Results are considered unstable" 😢

[honest oyster]

So right now I have a r9 3900x, asus tuf 3080, 32gb corsair vengeance rgb pro ram at 3200 mghz, and a crosshair 8 hero. I "overcloked" it to the dchop thing in the bios but I don't rly know if I should overclock anymore, what do u guys think?

[still hull]

💰

[open surge]

Question: How does it come to that conclusion "https://outervision.com/b/ipXXIN" ?
Do not tell me I will have to change my 500W PSU 😫

Never ran out of power, BTW.

[sudden torrent]

PSU calculators are kinda bad. Your 500W will be pushed over that occasionally but can still handle things except in specific cases, like running furmark and prime95 at the same time.

Of course, which model of 500W power supply you have is more important, since if it's a bad one that doesn't have OCP or OTP then it may catch fire.

[waxen wave]

can i oc my rtx 2060 with 500 watt bronze psu?

[open surge]

It is a Corsair CX500 80+Bronze

[sudden torrent]

CX500 is good, it'll shut off if it's pushed too far for too long

[sudden torrent]

Which psu and what processor do you have?

[waxen wave]

i7 10700f and 500 watt bronze from coolermaster

[open surge]

That is reassuring, thanks 😃

[waxen wave]

i7 10700f and 500 watt bronze from coolermaster

[open surge]

Mr1111 walks into da plaz

[dull ginkgo]

Btw, that sounds like old cx, like green label, since I believe modern cx are -50w

@open surge what color label is on it?

[open surge]

Yeah, it is green

[dull ginkgo]

Oof

It's a lot less good but

Lemme check protections if they'll load on mobile

[open surge]

@sterile flame Is the middle finger icon allowed ? XD

[open surge]

It is 6 years old BTW X'D

[sudden torrent]

I'd ask mods before I asked admin...

[open surge]

It was just a joke, there is no one tagged with "@sterile flame" anyways XD

[open surge]

It is like if I were asking God.

[dull ginkgo]

Welp, says it's group reg and DF, dunno how good the actual protections are

[dull ginkgo]

(role is not all uppercase)

[open surge]

Wait a min...why did it not suggest me anything while writing, then ?

[dull ginkgo]

It's some poor guy being pinged

[sudden torrent]

Case matters? I'm not fully fluent in my Discord

[open surge]

Oh, okay, did not know that.

Maybe it is a toggle option in the settings.

[open surge]

Yeah, you have to work harder on learning declinations.

[dull ginkgo]

Roles correctly being pinged would show the correct capitalization

And I'm not on desktop so I can't check, but on desktop, you can right click the @ and if it shows you options for profile and such, it's a person

[open surge]

Yeah, and because it did not show me anything, I asserted no one had such a tag. I would not have taken the risk to stroke the Ire of some Admin for the sake of a silly joke 😂

[sudden torrent]

That description could be any one of a half dozen power supplies, but they all range from bad to explosive. You can try overclocking but have a fire extinguisher handy if you push the system for extended periods. I know the 10700 is a very thirsty CPU with power limits disabled.

[waxen wave]

this psu

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-500W-Ver-3/dp/B07CZ1LY3K/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=coolermaster+500+watt+bronze&qid=1618245868&sr=8-9

[dull ginkgo]

Uhhhhh

[sudden torrent]

DANGER
Tier E

[proven canopy]

admin isn't a pingable role

[open surge]

Yeah, but it is not "10700" but _"10700F" _with an "F", like in "Fails to preserve itself from Power Supply burnout."

[sudden torrent]

🔥

[proven canopy]

(not here at least)

[dull ginkgo]

Ya