Basically if its playable its fine lol
#overclocking
sterile flame
quick rose
XD
sterile flame
Kek
sterile flame
3700x and 3070 bottleneck kek. Well sure dont feel it
faint tangle
sterile flame
Bottlenecks are over exaggerated for like everything
zenith palm
yeah 10700 has 2 extra cores so unless youre game took use of all 8 cores you wouldnt even notice
quick rose
Yup
quick rose
Testmem 5 anta777 profile
sudden torrent
occt
Testmem never worked for me for some reason, wouldn't even load up
sterile flame
One at a time right?
sterile flame
Would you say 3800c18 is bad?
Or okay, or fast
Since compared to say 3800c14
Doesnt look great in Ns time
sudden torrent
Not great, c16 better, c14 ideal
sterile flame
But better than 3600c18
sudden torrent
Right
sudden torrent
You can usually overclock a c16 down to c14 pretty easily
sudden torrent
Forget dram calc for this
sterile flame
just run the 3800 at c16 4head
Then i guess leave it at 3800 or if i really want to use the time, figure out how to manually time it?
There is so many memory timing values
Its confusing
Let me try to find a pin ig
sudden torrent
Usually you can just take the XMP profile as a baseline, increase the voltage, and decrease timings, done
sterile flame
if u want first word
sterile flame
https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Ryzen_7_3800X/GeForce_RTX_3070/0Ur1758A/32/100/...
thats like a 2% bottleneck max lmao
upper rock
ik lmao
sterile flame
Usually you can just take the XMP profile as a baseline, increase the voltage, a...
So even take the trcd values?
Does that mean i need 128gb for my 5900x!??!?!?!?
Kek
What type of gamer uses 64gb
Lol
upper rock
I run easily 144fps on this game at ultra settings
sterile flame
If you have multiple stuff open like ps, blender and 500 tabs yeah
Because you have trcd
Cha
Trp
Etc
upper rock
this calc trying to say a 3800x and 3070 are not going to be able to push more than 34 frames (ultra, 1440p) on a collection of games that all came out before 2014 lmaooo
sterile flame
Lmao
dull ginkgo
if u want first word
That's not real first word and you know that smh
sterile flame
Manually timing ram urgh
sterile flame
That's not real first word and you know that smh
SHUT UP
I hope there is a pin on it
SMH
Trcd values are frightening
Just cause there is so many
Brain calc when brrrr so its first word smh
dull ginkgo
First word latency = (tRCD + tCL + BL)/(effective transfer rate/2000)
sterile flame
😡
upper rock
how tf it trying to say imma get better perf in Cyberpunk than Halo lmaooooo
dull ginkgo
@sterile flame that chart literally just tells you about tCL smh
sterile flame
First word latency = (tRCD + tCL + BL)/(effective transfer rate/2000)
Do you have to mess deeply with trcd values
Dram calc aint an option
sterile flame
Yes
dull ginkgo
If you're OCing ram do every primary timing, at least
dull ginkgo
Read
sterile flame
Otherwise ill leave it
dull ginkgo
Da pins
sterile flame
Then again wont you only get back a few fps
Its not like MASSIVE unless 5000 mhz lol
dull ginkgo
Do you have to mess deeply with trcd values
Look, if you just want performance, unless you have b die xmp, xmp and done smh
sterile flame
It'll tell you 16-16-16-36 is the same as 16-20-20-40
what do you think the word first means smh
wtf
dull ginkgo
@sterile flame it means the latency it takes to read the data on the ram
sterile flame
<@456226577798135808> it means the latency it takes to read the data on the ram
no it clearly means the first number in the timings smh
dull ginkgo
The joke went into space before going over my head
upper rock
lmao
tall pelican
y'all need to start using capframex for at home benchmarking
bf1 1440p ultra settings
bright thorn
Heavwn fine whilw testing clocks
👌
proven canopy
Loop time spy graphics test 2
tall pelican
timespy is good, but if you play older games, I'd more lean to firestrike
timspy hits the pl harder than fs, and it'll generally be a step or two lower
bright thorn
Loop time spy graphics test 2
i dont want to buy 3d mark
proven canopy
Can still manually loop the time spy bench
bright thorn
Can still manually loop the time spy bench
i dont want to buy 3d mark tho
proven canopy
It's free
robust aurora
6gb is nothing lol
bright thorn
6gb is nothing lol
for smth like that it kinda is
@proven canopy i cant run the stress test without paying for it?
proven canopy
???
bright thorn
all of the benchmarks say "not available" or "advanced edition only"
proven canopy
What about time spy? Post a screenshot
bright thorn
You need to download the demo
?
robust aurora
You downloaded it from steam?
bright thorn
You downloaded it from steam?
no @proven canopy told me not to
upper rock
one sec
should be this one
This is Time Spy, one of the more balanced benchmarks from 3DMark
cobalt rapids
Just to the right of “add to cart” in your screenshot
tall pelican
upper rock
either way, I still provided the download link from Guru3D
proven canopy
upper rock
funny that that emote is from r/overclocking's server
proven canopy
Don't let fitz hear you say that
tall pelican
||there is no r/overclocking discord||
quasi tinsel
yo can yall help me on#peripherals-and-displays
tall pelican
can said periph be overclocked?
ancient pumice
can you overclocc a keyboard?
ancient pumice
lower response time prob, that's the only thing i can think about
quasi tinsel
kinda easy to mess up tho
and its very hard to do while having the risk of the port not being usable anymore
wouldnt recommend it if you dont have a ton of usb ports
but still if you manage to do it you will be epic
upper rock
||there is no r/overclocking discord||
???
tall pelican
do you see an r/ anywhere?
you can go to the reddit, and do you see a link to the discord anywhere?
upper rock
thats...
thats the subreddit's icon tho?
did they just steal it from google or something?
It even has the little snoo thing coming from it
tall pelican
we got it when mick (u/howdoImaththough) was an admin, then he stepped down
tall pelican
upper rock
his u/, that is
tall pelican
that's because he's the admin of the subreddit
bright thorn
||there is no r/overclocking discord||
There is a overclocking discord
sudden torrent
Yes but r/overclocking is not officially affiliated with that channel
tall pelican
There is a overclocking discord
Im literally a moderator for the discord, and I can guarantee you that they are not affiliated with each other
upper rock
heh
proven canopy
Ya, why do you think we pay fitz so much?
clever epoch
sudden torrent
Yeah fitz made sure I knew lol. I've already dropped it from 350ns to 150ns, any lower doesn't boot. Working on other sub timings when I have a chance.
sterile flame
max safe voltage for 5900x?
tall pelican
Pbo
Literally 0 reason to run manual overclocks on zen3 unless you're doing it to specifically for a locked clock speed
cobalt rapids
1.5v is probably your idle voltage lol
cobalt rapids
that under load would degrade ryzen kinda fast
or maybe that's just zen 2, idk actually
tall pelican
Zen2 idles low voltage, but not quite 0
cobalt rapids
if you're under no special load hwinfo will report like 1.4-1.5
tall pelican
Because hwinfo is giving it a light load of asking the core what frequency the cores are at
cobalt rapids
ahhh I see what you mean
tall pelican
Cpuz reports proper voltage, so if you close out of hwinfo, you should see either 0.3 or 0.6v, I forgot which
tawny shore
I heard 1.4 V under heavy load is probably the highest you want to go
tall pelican
try more like 1.2
sterile flame
Is it possible to overclock the 5950x to 4,6-4,7ghz with the Kraken z73 cooler sitting on it? (I have Arctic Mx-5 paste applied on my cooler)
I have the Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero and want to use DOS oc
tall pelican
pbo should be doing that already
sinful tendon
WHAT THE HELL
upper rock
hm?
dull ginkgo
Tbh 5950x might do 5ghz all core under a z73
sinful tendon
i was j sayin the difference btween mine n his
sinful tendon
z73 is a good cooler it should mdo fine
upper rock
5950x is a bigga boi tho
dull ginkgo
Yes, but remember when GN got early sample to boost to 5ghz+ pretty easily under a freezer ii, 280mm iirc?
Slightly later sample, good board, z73 basically a freezer ii 280mm, should be able to do it all core imo
upper rock
yeah freezer ii is 280
dull ginkgo
There's 240mm, 280mm, 360mm, 420mm, I believe GN is using the 280mm for testing
upper rock
mhmm
I cant wait for those electric coolers to become mainstream
what are they called again?
dull ginkgo
Tec or whatever?
upper rock
yeah those
our main thing rn is heat, thats why we have stagnated as much as we have as far as computer innovation goes
those TEC coolers are the thing thats gonna really push innovation
upper rock
when they get more efficient and streamlined
quick rose
Costs you like, 250W power for 100 cooling
upper rock
the cooler you can get, the more innovation you can drive in the computer business
so when they get more streamlined
like I said
proven canopy
upper rock
im mostly right
our main problem right now is heat, no?
new CPUs and new GPUs make too much heat
find a way to take away the heat in a more efficient manner, and you have more room for innovation
am I wrong?
upper rock
TE is the one that gets sub-ambient, right?
the tech that Intel was working on with Coolermaster, right?
Am I simply talking about the wrong technology?
quick rose
No, same tech. Thermo Electric
upper rock
So when it gets more efficient - and it will, thats just how computer technology works - it will lead to more innovation in the computer space
quick rose
It's not PC tech tho?
quick rose
It's just being USED in pc tech. It's super old school, been around a while, people try to bring it back and it always fades back into the shadows because of efficiency issues.
upper rock
what is it used for then?
tall pelican
https://tenor.com/view/that-not-how-it-works-thats-not-how-any-of-this-works-gif...
when you see people talking about ram 
cobalt rapids
it's used for youtube videos and tech demos
quick rose
it's used for youtube videos and tech demos
Lol, pretty much this. Kinda useless otherwise
cobalt rapids
I wish thermosiphons took off more lmao
sudden torrent
Waaay too inefficient and if you push it past its capacity it has the opposite of the intended effect and acts more as a heater
cobalt rapids
but you can say you have sub-ambient cooling without using LN2!
sudden torrent
At idle, sure
If it's only rated for 100 Watt tdp and you try to push it over that, you hit thermal shutoff real fast
cobalt rapids
they're just big funny looking chonkers lol
cobalt rapids
I would hope thermoelectric isn't THAT bad, the coolermaster one is advertised for use with 10th gen intel
quick rose
That's a TE hybrid tho isn't it?
sterile flame
our main problem right now is heat, no?
your logic is that we should use CPUs an inch wide that pull 1000W
smh
proven canopy
im mostly right
no, no no no no
Peltier coolers have been around for a long time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect
graceful scroll
How long should I let Cinebench R23 run to test stability? Also, is Ryzen Master a reliable way to overclock?
proven canopy
They have their use cases, and the only one that's close enough to being practical is for a low, (well under 200w) low surface area density load to be cooled slightly below ambient without a need for any kind of energy efficiency
proven canopy
How long should I let Cinebench R23 run to test stability? Also, is Ryzen Master...
Test with occt instead, try large avx2
graceful scroll
I am really on;y going to be using this system for gaming, so I am not sure how extreme I should go on stress tests
proven canopy
That's why I recommended occt instead of p95 small fft
Even so - some games can be very sensitive to any kind of oc instability, warzone is one of them
tall pelican
They have their use cases, and the only one that's close enough to being practic...
sounds like a ram or vram cooler if you ask me 😈
proven canopy
Or like - 32m / other single core / few core use cases when you don't care about waste heat at all / have a giant aio/rad to take care of that
proven canopy
0 reason to use it for that kind of mem lol, I don't (think) it scales with cold
tall pelican
half of the 3090 gddr6x uses what, 50w? and making some sort of tec contraption that sits on top
sterile flame
overclocked it pulls way more
tall pelican
no, it pulls a linear amount more per clock stock vs overclocked
power per bit is the same
proven canopy
Ya, micron spec is 7 picojoules per bit transferred or somthing, idk if that remains perfectly linear based on clock
sterile flame
nvm was confusing full load with oc
tall pelican
Ya, micron spec is 7 picojoules per bit transferred or somthing, idk if that rem...
its linear on clocks from micron gddr6 to micron gddr6x, so I'd assume its the same for just overclocked gddr6x
mainly because ||6x is just overclocked 6||
sterile flame
does HWinfo measure the wattage or can i just only put a load on vram
tall pelican
no idea, I just know amd reports vram power draw
proven canopy
gpuz can show memory power usage
true juniper
anyone know the sweat spot for a 2060?
zenith palm
anyone know the sweat spot for a 2060?
It will depend on your silicon lottery tbf but probs at least +100 clock and +500 mem
You'll still have to stress test after tho and make sure no artifacts
true juniper
k
vernal sail
5600x will crash sometimes, but rarely and at random with an OC of 4.5. Weird bc it does stress benchmarking fine but will just randomly freeze.
Some things will happen in the background but its a hard freeze. Happens randomly but not often
Why? Its not too hot or anything
sudden torrent
You're on the edge of being stable. More voltage or less overclock.
PBO usually gets much better results than a manual overclock.
tall pelican
I bet you're at 90c on the dot
also 3ghz effective clock
you might actually be below 90c
tall pelican
then you're at 90c and not hitting 4ghz
tall pelican
fix your ram
thorny cave
Best clock for the 860m?
calm vector
novel cobalt
Call 911
rugged cypress
Call 911
no, the ambulance and medicine is going to be worth ten times the build you schewpid
haha funny american healthcare system joke
well into buisness now gentelman what happens if i overclock a laptop wit an amd pro a12 with radeon integrated graphics will it explode or fry my ram or the whole laptop?
dull ginkgo
W a t
bright thorn
anyone know why the 9600k isnt listed on this?
https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics
quick rose
Because it's not a popular CPU to bin or overclock mainstream
bright thorn
Because it's not a popular CPU to bin or overclock mainstream
but theres a 10600k and 8600k and its the only cpu that should be there that isnt there
proven canopy
email SL and ask
bright thorn
i did
zenith palm
well into buisness now gentelman what happens if i overclock a laptop wit an amd...
You wouldn't be able to the motherboard wouldn't support it
lavish tundra
can anyone here help me with ram oc?
tall pelican
guide in the pins
sterile flame
b550-e is daisy chain right?
quick rose
Just about every board is.
quick rose
Run thaiphoon burner to see what chips that has.
sudden torrent
You don't even have XMP on right now?
quick rose
B-Die too, nice
lavish tundra
You don't even have XMP on right now?
I do
sudden torrent
It says it's running at 1066 (2133)
lavish tundra
I definately have XMP on
quick rose
At least 3600 without a sweat
lavish tundra
At least 3600 without a sweat
Could you gimme all the numbers after it as well?
Im 0iq at ram oc
sudden torrent
Hmm. Alright then, I'm wrong, carry on
quick rose
Could you gimme all the numbers after it as well?
I can't, I'm not a RAM guy lol. That would be Sir Fitz and they'd probably point you here https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md
lavish tundra
I can't, I'm not a RAM guy lol. That would be Sir Fitz and they'd probably poin...
Oh i see... Ive seen this but I dont have too much time to spend on this so I was asking for help
quick rose
I know but I don't know the "magic numbers" to put in
I know it should be able to do 3600 no problem, maybe even more but not sure on the timings
quick rose
You can @ him, don't DM unless they say OK. 😉
lavish tundra
Aight
quick rose
UNless Fal'Cie knows
sudden torrent
I'm still getting into RAM overclocking myself, finally tuned it where I'm happy at 3800 14-15-14-28 with tuned subtimings
Forks could help too I'm sure, if Fitz isn't available.
tall pelican
uhhhhh
check the 042 code on the ripjaws, make sure its actually bdie
should end in 8810B if its bdie, 8810C if cdie
lavish tundra
How do I check that?
tall pelican
hynix is a different code, I'll know it when I see it
look on the sticks
its like a 10 digit code that starts with 042
lavish tundra
Ok one sec
lavish tundra
its like a 10 digit code that starts with 042
Its 04266M8410C
tall pelican
doesnt sound like bdie, let me check if cdie or cjr
quick rose
doesnt sound like bdie, let me check if cdie or cjr
Thaiphoon lies then? Interesting.
sudden torrent
Thaiphoon is known to be wrong sometimes
quick rose
Good to know
tall pelican
thaiphoon never lies lmao, it just guesses at what isnt programmed
you have cdie
you can try testing something like 3600 18-20-20
might need 18-22-22
and stick with 1.35v
lavish tundra
Any way to keep c value the same?
tall pelican
c value?
lavish tundra
Like c16
sudden torrent
CAS latency?
tall pelican
oohhhh
not really, cdie doesnt scale with voltage or frequency
it'll clock high and loose
lavish tundra
Ohh
lavish tundra
you can try testing something like 3600 18-20-20
Ill try this
Its better than what I have rn tho right?
sudden torrent
More bandwidth from higher frequency, so yes
sudden torrent
CAS 18
tRCD 20 (RD and WR both)
tRP 20
tRAS 40
lavish tundra
And where do I set frequency?
sudden torrent
The previous menu, the main tweaker menu
lavish tundra
The previous menu, the main tweaker menu
What all do I change here?
sudden torrent
DRAM Voltage 1.35
Closer to the top of the list should be DRAM frequency, set to 3600
lavish tundra
Closer to the top of the list should be DRAM frequency, set to 3600
Nothing like that here
So the second number isn’t important just the first one has to be 1.35?
I have a gigabyte X570 elite wifi
sudden torrent
For testing right now yes just set the one voltage
lavish tundra
For testing right now yes just set the one voltage
How do I set the frequency tho?
sudden torrent
Ah I see now, the Gigabyte BIOS is totally different from the one I was looking at
Back into the menu where you had timing control, at the top, should be Memory Frequency
lavish tundra
Also what all do I change
This is everything thats in that menu
Like thats the top
sudden torrent
Ok then you must have a different version, let me review your screenshots again for a second
Set multiplier to 36
lavish tundra
There is 2 options tht say 36
I choose any one?
Also how do I change the CH B values I cant seem to select those to change
@sudden torrent you there?
sudden torrent
What does the rest of the screen look like on there?
CH A and B should be tied together
lavish tundra
lavish tundra
What does the rest of the screen look like on there?
CH A and B should be tied ...
Its showing ch b as 1.2 V
sudden torrent
The right column is what it's currently set to, and will change after you save and reboot
sudden torrent
If you set the frequency already yes
sudden torrent
To start with, yes. Now you'll try to boot Windows and test the memory to see if it's stable, then you can do subtimings if you want
lavish tundra
To start with, yes. Now you'll try to boot Windows and test the memory to see if...
But I wont need to do subtimings right?
This will already be faster
sudden torrent
It's not necessary, the changes to main timings will help, but subtiming tuning is helpful too on Ryzen.
lavish tundra
It's not *necessary*, the changes to main timings will help, but subtiming tunin...
Oh I see so basically I can do it when I have more time on my hands in a few months
Its not a priority
sudden torrent
Correct, as far as gaming you might get another 2-3% frames in games doing subtiming tuning so it's measurable but not critical.
sudden torrent
Awesome, off to a good start. Now you need to run a memory test program to see if it gets errors.
lavish tundra
Awesome, off to a good start. Now you need to run a memory test program to see i...
Im running occt
lavish tundra
Okay
00:00:00 - Info - Test schedule started at 2021-03-23 11:00:45
00:00:00 - Info - Memory - Started (Duration : 00:15:00)
00:15:01 - Info - Memory - Stopped
00:15:01 - Info - Test schedule completed
Are there any errors?
lavish tundra
I think avx2 large is popular for memory
Yeah I did this one
sudden torrent
Looks good. They'd have a red "X" instead of a checkmark if there was errors and they would show up in the log.
Successful overclock from 3200c16 to 3600c18
lavish tundra
Ayy nice I ran it for more time and it still is cool
tall pelican
I think avx2 large is popular for memory
large for imc and core testing, memory to test the sticks
lavish tundra
Im doing anta777s config for testmem and no errors so far
tall pelican
that works too
lavish tundra
I did avx 2 as well no errors on that either
Thanks a ton guys
saved me a lot of time and effort
big ups
tall pelican
what memory clock are you at, and timings?
https://zentimings.protonrom.com/ or download this and post what it says
lavish tundra
what memory clock are you at, and timings?
tall pelican
might want to set your tcl to 16 or 18 (Im hoping you didnt intent to do 26)
also might want to try procodt to 36.9
lavish tundra
might want to set your tcl to 16 or 18 (Im hoping you didnt intent to do 26)
I dont even know what tcl is
tall pelican
cas latency
lavish tundra
Oh that defaulted itself toauto even tho I choose cl 18
tall pelican
double check its on 18
lavish tundra
also might want to try procodt to 36.9
What does this do btw?
tall pelican
helps with signal integrity, 60 is kinda meh
lavish tundra
helps with signal integrity, 60 is kinda meh
And cl 16 is no point right I should just go with cl 18
tall pelican
try to set 18 again, and set the 36.9 procodt
lavish tundra
try to set 18 again, and set the 36.9 procodt
Did that
tall pelican
still doing 26?
lavish tundra
still doing 26?
tall pelican
looks better now
lavish tundra
Running testmem again
lavish tundra
looks better now
tall pelican
nice! 👍
tall pelican
Yup, np
zenith palm
Their xmp goes to 2400 ;-;
If they have ryzen cpu, the dram calc for ryzen might get them better speed
zenith palm
Jdec is default speed??
zenith palm
Micron though lol
I mean worth a shot to throw into dram calc
dull ginkgo
jedec is usually 2133c15 tho
sudden torrent
My jedec is 2666
dull ginkgo
fr?
sudden torrent
dull ginkgo
vapid berry
sudden torrent
The jedec on my friend's RAM is 2400 too, so definitely possible to have different ones
zenith palm
The jedec on my friend's RAM is 2400 too, so definitely possible to have differe...
Jdec 2400mhz but xmp gets to 2666 ;-;
spring linden
what happens if I oc all profiles?
zenith palm
You can only apply 1 profile at a time
But if you have the option to pbo will do a better job usually
spring linden
pbo?
I'm new to this so Idrk much
also
is there a way I can force this so it stays at max
sudden torrent
It does that on purpose, you can manually overclock it and lock the frequency but it won't be as high and will be hotter than the boost behavior.
spring linden
I'd have to do that with the mb right?
sudden torrent
In Ryzen Master, at the top of the custom profile you choose, under Control Mode, select Precision Boost Overdrive. This will increase the limits for boosting so you get higher averages.
PBO is usually better than any overclock on Ryzen.
Then save profile, apply, let it reboot, and it should boost higher for longer as long as the temperature isn't too high.
spring linden
I don't see those 4 tabs under cntrl mode @sudden torrent
spring linden
how can I lock the clock speeds then?
sudden torrent
You'd have to make changes in the BIOS
spring linden
alr ty
dull ginkgo
Maybe it's octo data rate because of PAM4, since gddr6 is quad data rate.
lavish tundra
Maybe it's octo data rate because of PAM4, since gddr6 is quad data rate.
Yee
but it still doesnt seem anything even close to slow let alone very slow...
harsh wedge
thank you!
dull ginkgo
@tall pelican actually, can you confirm if gddr6x is octo data rate?
lavish tundra
<@193597009360453633> actually, can you confirm if gddr6x is octo data rate?
I was on google for a bit and I found a post on the techpowerup forums saying GDDR6 and up is octo rate
dull ginkgo
Eh, I found gddr6 is quad data rate, which makes sense considering clocks of 3070 and such
lavish tundra
Eh, I found gddr6 is quad data rate, which makes sense considering clocks of 307...
yeah the post might have been wrong then
dull ginkgo
(1750mhz operating freq on the 3070, makes sense for 4x, seems way too high for 8x)
lavish tundra
True
sterile flame
<@193597009360453633> actually, can you confirm if gddr6x is octo data rate?
its octo
dull ginkgo
fair
dull ginkgo
@tall pelican what exactly do you mean by quad pumped?
tall pelican
that within each cycle, it can send 4 ticks of data
X variant is octa pumped, but has to run at a lower frequency
dull ginkgo
Hm
sterile flame
Didn't mean it that way just worded it wrong I guess, was trying to say you have to divide it by 8 xD
sterile flame
X variant is octa pumped, but has to run at a lower frequency
Good to know though
echo island
new to oc..... what basic things should i do?
echo island
thanks :D
quick rose
Lots of reading but a TON of extremely useful information
stone skiff
Hi guys quick question.I have recently clocked my ryzen 7 2700 at 4.1ghz at around 1.425 volts stable.On stress test the cpu goes at 65 c and the vrms go at 95 after about 15 mins of full blast.Ussualy it stays 41-45 c cpu and 56 vrm while gaming
Is that ok or is it too much voltage?Didnt really get any crashes yet
Or freezes
dull ginkgo
eek
that's a very high voltage
The issue wouldn't be crashing
the issue would likely be silicon deterioration
proven canopy
So it might die in a shorter period of time i guess
It'll likely slowly degrade before dying completely, 1.425 is real high, but it's not like computer parts last forever anyway.
sudden torrent
I like doing things like that right before I replace old parts that I know won't sell for much. Just crank it up to the max and see if I can get it to melt. Obviously I keep a fire extinguisher handy.
proven canopy
1.325v is max for 2700x
Under what expectations, use case, and cooling? It sounds like they have realistic expectations for chip life/usability and are willing to accept the risk.
sterile flame
its what i ran daily for nearly 2 years, just stock cooler or better
4.2GHz
all core
tall pelican
check the svi2 tfn sensor in hwinfo, it should be a lower voltage than what you have set (1.425)
restive cargo
Running a voltage like that constantly might degrade say 5 years or so off the chips life.
But theoretically if the chips gonna last 10 years or 15 years anyway you'll be upgrading before it even dies.
Still not recommend to go over 1.4v.
For a daily that is.
Lower stable voltage the better.
What you'll notice happen is all of a sudden the chip will start requiring more and more voltage to stay stable as the chip degrades.
So like 1.4 could be stabil today but in a year you might need 1.420 to be stabil as the chip degrades.
And so on so on.
tall pelican
if you're at 1.4 and its dropping to under 1.38 (it most likely is) and temps are below 70c, then there's nothing to worry about
stone skiff
Truth is 4.05 ghz runs stable at 1.375
4.1 runs stable at 1.425
Ill just dial it down a bit
Or go a bit higher but restrain the voltage under 1.4 or max at 1.4
sterile flame
Lol you got a bad bin
stone skiff
Truth is in either case mt temps dont reach above 50 C cpu whil gaming.
Its the 2700 non x
You cant really go higher than that
bright thorn
can i run prime95 with stuff in the background
im not trying to use the stuff in the background I just dont want to close it
sudden torrent
You can if you're just stress testing it, but background stuff will be slow
proven canopy
sudden torrent
At 2 volts too. I'd ask if his RAM is water cooled but it looks like it's not.
proven canopy
No reason to, a fan over the sticks is enough
tall pelican
my sticks with a fan and no heat sinks stay cooler than my loop (after cpu and gpu)
vernal sail
Can I have some help overclocking my 290x?
I inched up the mem/core mhz until just stable and somehow I am getting a worse userbench score and no throttling
zenith palm
I inched up the mem/core mhz until just stable and somehow I am getting a worse ...
Ignore user benchmark, use 3d mark timespy, download the demo for 3d mark in steam and use that, also make sure to crank your power limit
quick rose
I inched up the mem/core mhz until just stable and somehow I am getting a worse ...
That's because UBM is trash lol
steel cedar
anyone have any knowledge on water cooling a laptop?
vernal sail
@steel cedar yeah, dont do it
proven canopy
I know a guy who ln2 benched his laptop for team cup
dull ginkgo
@proven canopy hear me out, mineral oil laptop bench?
proven canopy
I would just use an icepack or waterblock it + big clamp
mild pumice
https://clarityadvantage.com/claritycms/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/iStock_509300...
My GS66 Stealth would still overheat
lavish pecan
Your GS66 overheats? I guess MSI screwed that one, I've got a GS63 and besides some issues with the igpu it doesn't have problems, especially with heat
lavish tundra
Kinda need help. I was trying to run TM5 with the extreme anta config. The first few times I ran it, it ran just fine, but now it just doesnt. It spits up these errors-
#0 #1 #2 #7 #8 #3 #10 #9 #5 #4 #6 #11
all those numbers in that order
worth noting that it doesnt give these errors if I dont run as admin
or for the Universal-2@LMhz config
severe mantle
guys I have an intel laptop that's heating a lot
and a friend of mine said to undervolt it
I was wondering if I would run into any issues undervolting and what's the process
this whole "offset" process is scary to me
sudden torrent
If you even have a laptop that supports voltage changing (most don't) it's a pretty safe process. Start small, and see if it makes a difference. Test each small step you take, until either the performance drops or the system becomes unstable.
You'd probably have to do it through the BIOS. It's possible there's a software tool that would work, again, if it's supported at all.
TL:DR It depends
sudden torrent
guys I have an intel laptop that's heating a lot
The best way to help with overheating is to get a laptop cooling pad, and clean out dust regularly.
rocky juniper
The best way to help with overheating is to get a laptop cooling pad, and clean ...
so not paste?
coz i planned to paste it, not pad it
or both is fine
sudden torrent
Repaste is usually only necessary if it's older and the paste is dried out
rocky juniper
oh wait idk if this has any cooling solution at all lol
laptop too
thin, choking smooth surface laptop
ok i'll prob just pad it lol
sudden torrent
Run it without the bottom panel and the pad for epic airflow
rocky juniper
yea i was thinking of giving this those cooler + stand ones
but damn this one irritates me
sudden torrent
I had one of those years ago when I used my laptop more. It was nice having the keyboard angled like that at school.
I'd look for one that's powered by USB and has adjustable speed, shouldn't be more than $15 at most
rocky juniper
prob just gonna paste it then some cheap stands with mesh holes that could fit fans
gonna put rgb fans below the mesh stand
sudden torrent
There you go! Turning a problem into a new feature!
lavish tundra
coz i planned to paste it, not pad it
Fal'cie didnt mean thermal paste. He/she meant the laptop tables you get with fans built in.
rocky juniper
ic
sudden torrent
I'm a he but I appreciate you not assuming
sterile flame
sudden torrent
Either that or the cat threw you off
dim plank
What is the default PPT for Ryzen 9 5950X?
tall pelican
142w
tall pelican
enable pbo, tune curve optimizer if you want to
vernal sail
having a little bit of a problem with my computer crashing
went back to no CPU oc and the ram is just to rated speed
it just freezes, and cant move the mouse but videos will still play in the background to an extent
does not happen under load only near idle
proven jolt
went back to no CPU oc and the ram is just to rated speed
Try underclocking and undervolting if that work you might have a problem with cooling or motherboard
proven jolt
Then It might be power from motherboard
If you gotta spare try it and check if that's the case
proven jolt
Theres always a chance any vram can fail
proven jolt
vernal sail
RGB software doesn't exactly cooperate either..
proven jolt
RGB software doesn't exactly cooperate either..
Let me guess corsair
proven jolt
What manufacturer for ram
vernal sail
Ololy
proven jolt
now I got no clue
vernal sail
oloy
sterile flame
anyone have any knowledge on 11th gen, can 11th gen maintain higher voltages?
tall pelican
higher than what?
sterile flame
relative to previous generations
5.1ghz all core it wont take much less than 1.49, im trying to maintain the highest stable clock while also keeping voltages reasonable
proven canopy
Reasonable?
1.49?
sterile flame
GN got their 11600k to 5.0 all at 1.49
quick rose
heh, no reason to buy an 11900K when the 11600/11700 exist XD
sterile flame
$320cad for 11600kf amazing value
tall pelican
$330 for 10900kf amazing value
dark ferry
I got my 10700k for $250 + $20 off the motherboard. Easily overclocked to 5ghz all cores. IMO a much better value than whatever the 11700k will be going for + whatever the performance differences are.
zenith palm
anyone have any knowledge on 11th gen, can 11th gen maintain higher voltages?
Well someone clocked the i9 to 7ghz on like 1.8v or something but that's with liquid nitrogen
sterile flame
kf don't have integrated gpu ?
zenith palm
Yes, in intel the f stands for no integrated gpu
sterile flame
Does anyone know why my clock speed keeps fluctuating between factory 3592MHz and 4366MHz? I have the OC set to 4250 in ryzen master
Im on a 3700x btw
quick rose
Because that's max boost speed, it won't lock in a full 4.25 all the time
It will jump around, that's normal
sterile flame
Thanks
sudden torrent
4.0 is worth
Is it though? Is it really? There's very few cases where even 3.0 x8 gets saturated...
quick rose
Ye, PCI-E 4.0 drives not worth either
sterile flame
^ not worth unless your moving like MASSIVE files around constantly.
upper rock
Did dread get banned or did he leave?
sterile flame
@finite harbor
sterile flame
Is it though? Is it really? There's very few cases where even 3.0 x8 gets satura...
i picked up a used 980pro boot drive for $50, it get the full 4.0 speeds with my z490
sterile flame
Did dread get banned or did he leave?
Im still here.
How would TRCD work.
Been reading the pins, slightly understand it.
Just so many different variables
sterile flame
but how do you mess with it @tall pelican ?
Like "Manually timing your ram"
so you can bring it from CL18 to 16
etc
tall pelican
You go to the timing section in your bios
sterile flame
yes?
tall pelican
And its there
sudden torrent
i picked up a used 980pro boot drive for $50, it get the full 4.0 speeds with my...
That's cool, but you should know that there's less than a half second difference when booting windows and less than a 2 second difference loading most games between 3.0 and 4.0
sterile flame
That's cool, but you should know that there's less than a half second difference...
i had the z490 regardless, better than 3.0
sudden torrent
What's your default tRCD and what die are you working with?
tall pelican
Trcd will never be 8 (unless on amd and trcdwr)
sterile flame
basically what do each of them mean
sudden torrent
What speed and voltage are you running it at? There's certain timings you can expect to achieve at certain voltages
sudden torrent
1900 fclk on a zen 2? Have you done occt testing to see if your infinity fabric is throwing errors?
sudden torrent
Nice, you got lucky then on that bin
sterile flame
I think its smthing with motherboard
let me explain
I had an old tuf x570
Sent it in for repairs
It could only do 3733
They sent back a new one
and i was able to hit 3800
with no posting, exact same settings
NO post issues*
But yeah i got hella lucky on my bin
might be one of the few
I wanted to see if i could tighten timings because CL18 is not pog
sudden torrent
1900 is golden for zen 2, easy on zen 3
sudden torrent
DRAM calc isn't great I've noticed tbh, it relies on thaiphoon burner being accurate (which it isn't always) and it's very conservative on voltage
sterile flame
it just gave me
Not supported
past 3466
on Hynix M Die
Which is MFR?
i think
Also another thing that is hella weird
sudden torrent
Yeah it doesn't know how to handle faster speeds on some dies, even sammy b-die it gives that error
sterile flame
Ah.
Those settings you see
Don't work in bios when reset
so I reset CMOS, i put those in it won't post
I need to change the speed to 3733 first
save changes
and then go to 3800 for it work.
Weird
just weird quirks about my motherboard
no honest idea why it happens
sudden torrent
iirc that's referred to as "training" it? My chips do the same, if I just go straight to my last known good settings I need to clear CMOS but stepping my way there works
sterile flame
Oh
Alright. So basically like how does each value work
Basically last time people here gave me examples of their settings and i worked off of that.
And explained how each works. Whats confusing is there is like 24 different things
Cause I know im pushing it, but what would of been suprising is if i could of pushed it to 2000 or smthing
sudden torrent
I haven't seen any zen 2 hit 2000 personally, zen 3 yes
sterile flame
ah
because who knows
maybe with some tweaking i could hit 1933?
i think it was
tall pelican
you wont be 24/7 stable at 1933
tall pelican
lpx isnt a chip FFS
sudden torrent
1.5v should be safe voltage, right fitz? With good airflow
tall pelican
with which ic?
sudden torrent
hynix M
sterile flame
4.32
tall pelican
4.32 is always cdie
sudden torrent
I thought it was odd you were getting 3800 on MFR
sterile flame
Oh
sudden torrent
Guess it's C-die after all
sterile flame
5.49
tall pelican
go for 3800, I wouldnt bother with anything higher since you'll get random weirdness
sterile flame
like manually timing, etc.
Oh
alright
Then would i be able to say tighten cl18 to 16?
tall pelican
IF will correct some errors, making you think its stable
yeah, might be able to get cl16 out of it
sudden torrent
He did occt and testmem though, stable on those
tall pelican
like 16-19-8-19 or 16-20-8-20
sterile flame
Yeah no signs of errors, let it run for 9 hours
Each tests.
took about a whole week and the weekend to get through all the tests.
and so far haven't had any BSODS
or crashes
so is 1900 FCLK on Zen2 like pushing it?
tall pelican
1866/1900 is normal for zen2
1900 is a hard cap on zen3 for daily stable, anyone who says otherwise is either lying to you or to themselves
sudden torrent
Lower is better (usually) but if it's not stable doing the first try the second
sudden torrent
Yeah lol
sterile flame
and each one of those is the values he gave me
sudden torrent
Yeah, so 16(CAS)-19(tRCD RD/WR)-8(tRP)-19(tRAS)
sterile flame
whats the stuff you want to be as long as possible again
like the time between checks
tall pelican
Yeah, so 16(CAS)-19(tRCD RD/WR)-8(tRP)-19(tRAS)
16 cas
19 trcdrd
8 trcdwr
19 trp
tras whatever's lowest stable
proven canopy
trefi
sudden torrent
16 cas
19 trcdrd
8 trcdwr
19 trp
tras whatever's lowest stable
Ah ok, I've seen so many different formats it's hard to know which is correct
sterile flame
What i should plug in right
Will try, thanks
Quick question, might be stupid
Whats the purpose of soc control in amd overclocking
If soc is in the ram category
Like isnt it counter intuitive
sudden torrent
"There are no stupid questions, only stupid people" -South Park
sudden torrent
SoC voltage helps with infinity fabric and RAM stabilizing when overclocking
sterile flame
Alright
sudden torrent
Normally 1.1v is plenty if you're not stable, but I've done 1.15v with no issues (except a little more heat)
sudden torrent
Did you see that article I linked earlier? It does a pretty good job of explaining it, and how they work together
sterile flame
Like im trying to put in what fitz said but
Yeah, but didnt see the eh clk vs fh clk
sudden torrent
tcl is cas
sterile flame
like EH CLK ? In my bios there is multiple
its like FH and EH
and im guessing "memory clock speed" is what im running at
sterile flame
sudden torrent
The two columns on the right, correct? I had no idea what you were talking about from the screenshot
sterile flame
give me a moment, ill send another screen shot
Yes
Change memory clock speed first?
guys what is the safe overclock for rtx 2060 mobile 115w ?
sudden torrent
Those are hexadecimal values, 0A = 10
sterile flame
Ah
sudden torrent
The "h" denotes hex
sudden torrent
yes
sudden torrent
16 in hexadecimal is 10h
sterile flame
And change memory clock speed?
sudden torrent
Memory clock speed was 3800 right?
sudden torrent
trcdrd 13h
trcdwr 08h
trp 13h
sudden torrent
Not yet, you want main timings 100% stable first
sudden torrent
trcdwr 08h
sudden torrent
As low as it will go then
sudden torrent
yes 8
sterile flame
These zeros are confusing the hell
sudden torrent
Yeah it makes no sense that some would be hex notation and some not
Try tras at 26h for now, you can try lower if it works
sudden torrent
yes
sterile flame
Oh
sudden torrent
shorthand
sudden torrent
The "h" at the end means it's a hexadecimal value
sudden torrent
Hexadecimal is a base 16 numbering system, as opposed to our normal base 10 system, so they have to use letters for the numbers 10-15
Yes save and exit, see if it boots
And occt test
You set voltage already right?
sterile flame
Ram?
sudden torrent
Yes
sterile flame
1.4 right?
sudden torrent
1.45