overclocking

[steady lance]

Would you be interested in some ram? I have a extremely high binned 2x16 Samsung D die kit rated for 4000cl18.

Trying to sell my old hardware as I am accumulating to much.

[alpine mantle]

Thanks for the offer but i got no $$$ on me atm

[steady lance]

Let me know if you change your mind. I want to sell it for $75+shipping. I paid $156 USD new because it is a very high bin.

[wooden vigil]

okay

how much can the B580 be overclocked

[calm grail]

@dim vale @red terrace

[wooden vigil]

cause i heard it had alot of headroom

[dim vale]

i got mine to 3.5 ghz and 20gbps vram with stock cooler

[dim vale]

depends on how good your silicon is

[wooden vigil]

not THE LOTTERY

[dim vale]

apparently gunnir's photon models have the best silicon so if you want to high OC a b580, get a photon

[wooden vigil]

Taiwan

💀

[dim vale]

photon already goes to 2900 by itself

[dim vale]

so?

its the best of the best

[wooden vigil]

Doesn't exists

[dim vale]

i actually set a benchmark record for my gpu cpu combo

multiple actually one second

[dim vale]

https://www.3dmark.com/search#advanced?test=sw DX&cpuId=3046&gpuId=1676&gpuCount=0&gpuType=ALL&deviceType=ALL&storageModel=ALL&modelId=&showRamDisks=false&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=overallScore&hofMode=false&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=&maxGpuCoreClock=&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=

i would do more benchmarks but no money to buy them

[wooden vigil]

why is there so many 13400F

[dim vale]

i did multiple tests and got multiple scores

[dim vale]

these search results only include 13400f + b580

if you search with any cpu then i wont be on there since people have freaking 14900k's

my gpu core and vram clocks are higher than this, if only I had a 14900k

at least im top 2% in the world

[wooden vigil]

what model btw

[dim vale]

the gunnir photon

[wooden vigil]

Okie

[dim vale]

as i said here

[wooden vigil]

400 us

Lmao

[dim vale]

its quite expensive tho

yea

i got the white one 🗿

[wooden vigil]

Don’t worry I’m getting the 9070XT steel legend

Just curious

[dim vale]

ok

[red terrace]

14654 is average graphics score

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/58108203

[red terrace]

no really

lots of clocks to be gained but the scaling is ass

[uneven knot]

Just beat my old score for 7600x + 6800. 15454 ~> 15816

[steady lance]

This is really frustrating. I am noticing a consistent pattern that when some of my cores try to do +5.75Ghz while the CPU is above 49c that appears to be when freezes happen.

[dim vale]

My core and vram clocks are higher, i just need a 14900k breh

[steady lance]

What is your current chip?

You can likely scorea decent bit higher by using a stripped down version of windows 11, run the test with WiFi and startup apps off.

Also doing a ram overclock can high raise it a little more albeit minor.

[dim vale]

13400f

[steady lance]

Ahh definitely a bottleneck.

Surprised you're using an I3.

@dim vale have you tried the tips above?

[dim vale]

That would be a 13100f

13400f is an i5

[dim vale]

I don’t have another drive to install tiny11 on, and my ram can’t even get to the max speed without raising the cl rating cause of this cpu

[steady lance]

Damn.

[steady lance]

I forgot the 400 labels belong to the I5 family. Granted they really should be in the I3 I feel.

[dim vale]

They only have 13400 and 13400f, for k models it’s 600

Not sure why they did it that way

[red terrace]

how do you stack up sorted by graphics score only?

combined score is kinda useless for GPU benching anyway

[dim vale]

Wdym

[red terrace]

full system benching is fun, but on a non K chip I assume you're just going for GPU score

[dim vale]

Only time spy and night raid does cpu + gpu

The others is gpu only

[red terrace]

i misread the bench lol

[dim vale]

[red terrace]

i practically only bench TS, saw the leaderboard and just assumed it was TS

but still, CPU shouldn't really affect graphics score, no?

[dim vale]

I just be needing a better cpu so I can beat more scores

It does

Every top score in the world has a 14900k or near that

With lower gpu speeds

[red terrace]

Arc-ism perhaps

driver overhead go brrr

[dim vale]

So if I had one yeah

I could maybe beat the record

[steady lance]

Could run the GPU Sub-Ambient.

You should be able to raise your score a lot by doing that.

[dim vale]

What that mean

[red terrace]

ln2, chiller, etc.

[dim vale]

well I would love to get that

I need to contact ASUS or something

but would like help with comprising how I go about it

[red terrace]

get a sponsor deal going 🤣

[dim vale]

Ikr how does one do that…

[steady lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbzR24TThrY

@sterile flame
Questions:

1. What CPU?
2. What Board
3. What RAM kit (brand, capacity, speed, timings, and die if you know)
4. Is the issue posting, crashes, or errors?
5. What are software you testing with
6. CPU and RAM temps under load?
7. Have you tried changing CPU or RAN voltages?

[sterile flame]

5900x3d

as rock b850 pro

ddr5 xsky 6000mhz cl30

it might be posting? restarted, posting LED's turned on, then rebooted again with default ram settings

not testing with any software
not sure about temps
no, only changing dram profile through bios.

[steady lance]

Just to confirm do you mean 7900x3D or 9900x3D?

[sterile flame]

sorry, 9800x3d

idk why i typed that 😭

[steady lance]

Have you gotten into windows at all?

[steady lance]

.

[sterile flame]

yeah

was gaming on it & everything

everything is fine it literally just won't apply the 6000mhz settings

also sorry if i don't respond right away at work rn

but yeah i was using one of the presets under dram overclocking, it was a profile literally called expo 6000 or something like that

[steady lance]

So the PC is working except for the RAM profile not applying?

[sterile flame]

and i'd hit save & exit, it would ask me if i'm sure if i want to apply, i'd hit yes, it would reboot, take forever, then reboot again & not apply the settings

[sterile flame]

yeah the pc works great

was playing alot on it

and was monitoring temps via hwmonitor & everything seems fine

[steady lance]

Hmmm seems like failed memory training.

Download BenchMate, TestMem5, OCCT, and Y-Cruncher VT3. I can provide you with VT3 if you have a hard time finding it.

When your available I will guide you through how to make a custom ram profile.

.
Also, @sterile flame are you on the latest bios for your board?

[sterile flame]

definitely yeah. when i first built it 2 days ago i had to bios flashback the newest update

because it wouldnt POST

[sterile flame]

im unfamiliar with these, ive never went to great lengths to overclock before, im assuming these are all just for benchmarks/monitoring?

[steady lance]

They are both a Stress Tests and Benchmark.

If you can spare $10 I strongly recommend downloading Karhu as it's a great CPU and RAM stress testing and benching software.

[steady lance]

@abstract merlin @dim vale @red terrace @uneven knot @wooden vigil

I have made significant progress with my co. Been working in large increments to save time.

Currently at:
-75
-50
-25
-20
-50
-100
-20
-20

The cores at -20 need further tuning.

All cores can do 5.75Ghz and I am so far seeing a +200-220mhz increase in All Core clocks under load in OCCT with AVX512 instructions compared to stock.

My limitation currently is due to thermals.

The more extreme the negative offset the colder my CPU cores need to be to remain stable.

[wooden vigil]

Woag

[dim vale]

cool

[lilac fog]

Need some feedback on this. I just bought a Kleev 6000mhz cl28 1.4v ram, but there is a Kleev 5600mhz cl30 1.25v….which is better?

Deciding if I should switch

[steady lance]

Keep the 6000cl28@1.4v that is a much better bin meaning you won't need nearly as much voltage for higher overclocks which also means you can cool the RAM much easier.

.
For RAM overclocking you will want a fan to actively cool the RAM.

[lilac fog]

Ok yeah, i have all the main pc parts, but no case or cooling that’s going to be the last spot

[steady lance]

P12/P14 Pro fans and get an extra one for just the RAM.

[lilac fog]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPX94PSL/ref=sspa_mw_detail_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9kZXRhaWw
just get the 5 pack?

Also assume I need a good AIO and cpu cooler both?

[steady lance]

Yep.

[steady lance]

Didn't I already send you one?

[steady lance]

Are you getting the case I recommended or a different one?

On the AIO I sent it has decent fans so you don't need to replace them though the P12/P14 are none the less better ones if you choose to replace.

[lilac fog]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6Hn9TW/thermalright-frozen-edge-69-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-fe360-black

Yeah this one. So just this AIO and the 5 pack of fans should be enough and no CPU cooler?

Strongly considering the case you sent me, just deciding if that’s the look I want and it will have enough room to put all my build plus this screen in it

https://palamla.com/products/corsair-xeneon-edge-14.5-lcd-touchscreen

[steady lance]

Get:

• the case I listed for a positive pressure system having the AIO being a exhaust in the side

• two 5 packs of ideally Arctic P12 Pro instead of P14 Pro if possible so you can put 3 TOP, 3 BOTTOM, 3 SIDE, 1 FOR RAM.

• It should have enough space for the screen if you mount it to where the side exhaust fan usually goes as that will be unused with the config I sent.

.
If you don't want to use Zip ties to hook up the fan for RAM, purchase a 120mm L Bracket for a fan.

Just checked, that should very likely fit in the location I mentioned.

[lilac fog]

Let you know soon as I choose the case, but 75% sure I’ll use that case you recommend. I want a lcd screen like that one above I linked above. Trying to see if any cool AIOs that have the screen built in worth just getting vs the $100-$120 I’m paying for AIO/screen separate

Purely for aesthetic

Also the possibility that putting this IN the case would make things too hot? Not a single picture shows it in the case just separate or on the outside of the case

[steady lance]

I can think of a few that perform as good as what I mentioned (same pump and rad) and doesn't cost a kidney.

[steady lance]

A LCD screen won't heat the case up.

[pure widget]

Ram tuning

Well this is my default timings and my Voltage is 1.350 I don’t want to add voltage i just want to tune what I can with the current voltage

Also what temperature is stable for ram while gaming?what’s the safe limit?

Thanks in advance

[steady lance]

Why don't you want to add more voltage to your RAM?

DDR5 is safe within 1.45v and Hynix A/M can daily as much as 2v with sufficient cooling.

It varies a lot by stick even amongst the same ICs by as much as 15c sometimes, but generally speaking for Hynix A it's around ~50c and ~45c for Hynix M.

I've been running 1.85v VDD daily on my Hynix A die for about 6 months now.

Been dailying north of 1.65v for two years.

[pure widget]

My temp is quite high already more voltage sound like trouble

[steady lance]

Do you have a fan cooling the ram?

It is strongly recommend when tuning ram as the things that will most the biggest difference tRFC and tREFI both will increase your temps significantly.

[pure widget]

What temp should I stay below to keep stable

[steady lance]

Read above.

@lilac fog might be worth taking a look at.

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-ARGB-High-Performance-Water-Cooled-Resolution/dp/B0FD6WBGD9/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?

Same performance as the one I sent prior but with a large built in screen.

[steady lance]

@pure widget

[pure widget]

Ok thanks

[lilac fog]

Nice, it’s basically combining what I was looking at. Regarding this, any chance you can look at the screen I linked with the AIO you recommended and see if there is any advantage of buying this combined one vs the 2 separate? Only reason I ask is because this one is $50 than buying separate. It’s a beast no doubt

[steady lance]

Buying them separately will be more of a headache to set up but ultimately may be more practical in terms of screen space and look nicer depending on how you set it up.

Going with the combined option means simple setup, looks decent without needing to mess with anything but no customizability outside of what's displayed.

[steady lance]

Well I am extremely happy with my CO, I've got it to be about 20% more power efficient while having +200mhz higher boost clocks. I am currently very thermally limited for pushing CCD0 further so I am gonna settle there for that CCD and start working on CCD1. My peak power consumption went from around ~250w down to ~190w tested using Cinebench R23 and R24, Karhu (Cache+FPU), and Y-Cruncher VST3.

CCD0 (V-Cache)
-75
-40
-60
-20
-50
-50
-20
-20
CCD1 (Frequency)
-10 (to the entire CCD)

@alpine mantle @wooden vigil @dim vale @calm grail @short blade @modern walrus @acoustic crane

[alpine mantle]

Glad you found satisfaction with it

bonus points for lowering power draw

[steady lance]

Thank you.

Now I must prepare to torture myself with CCD1 lmao

[alpine mantle]

🗿

[steady lance]

Anyways

My findings with AM5 so far is that, the chips can be very efficient but only if the thermals are low enough.

CCD0 is not stable unless I have the air conditioner running which I do whenever I am in the office.

[alpine mantle]

interesting findings

[dim vale]

cool

[steady lance]

I am not sure how much it varies by cpu since I've only had one 9950x3D and two 7950x3D but I've noticed on all 3 that in order to achieve a flat +200mhz boost on the V-Cache CCD in Single Threaded loads, the core needs to be around 45c or lower under load.

[alpine mantle]

this is just wild ngl, overclocking AMD components now just looks difficult lol

it really gotta be that chilly huh

have you delidded it?

[steady lance]

Back. Sorry for the delayed response. @alpine mantle

[alpine mantle]

you're fine

[steady lance]

I feel you there. I think AMD overclocking had come a long way with all of its tools which gives the users more control but that also makes it feel a lot more intimidating to do.

[steady lance]

Not yet. It's a planned upgrade though.

I want to delid it and purchase a chiller.

Before that though I am gonna get the Corsair SF1000 PSU and upgrade my GPU to the 9070 XT Mercury from XFX.

Debating replacing all my fans with Arctic Pros since my fans are getting old and are very mixed.

[alpine mantle]

better cross your fingers that its a good bin

i got my 9070 xt recently and despite it not overclocking well its a BEAST

[steady lance]

Supposedly the 9070xt usually have about 10-15% performance to be gained and the XFX Mercury happens to be the best binned model on the market and has the bios with the highest TDP available.

Apparently you can raise the power limit to 400w on that model.

[alpine mantle]

absolutely insane but incredibly inefficient at the same time lol

[steady lance]

How are temps?

[alpine mantle]

its sooo good

usually 48-50c core and up to 70c hotspot

its a very chilly card

this is with a -13% Powerlimit (around 260w)

stock is 304w

[steady lance]

I see. What ambient?

[alpine mantle]

i guess as of now 75f?

[steady lance]

Oh also, the XFX Mercury comes with PTM7950 which is nice.

[steady lance]

AC or room with lots of airflow?

Usually safe to bet on the room temperature to be about 30% hotter then ambient unless it has good airflow.

[alpine mantle]

its windy outside and the AC is off atm but its set to 76f

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

I am debating if I should try LM on the 9070xt if it has good OC headroom.

Oh btw, @alpine mantle for AM5 CPUs, additional voltage is still a good way to OC if you can keep temps down.

Prior to my bios update I was running +25mv offset which got me 5.8/6Ghz on my 9950x3D.

That and 14c ambient temp.

[alpine mantle]

thats cool to know

[steady lance]

I know someone with a 9950x that does 5.7Ghz all core but with a static OC at 1.475-1.5v which is +100mv.

[alpine mantle]

big voltage numbers

[steady lance]

Yes lmao.

On a related topic, I love the fact that my Hynix A modules are taking 1.85v VDD for daily like a champ.

Ran 1.65v for two years and 1.85v for about 6 months now.

[uneven knot]

Yo what’s a good score for 5060 ti 8gb stock settings on Time spy?

[steady lance]

@alpine mantle Hynix A and M die can daily as high as 2v VDD if temps are under controller. The more voltage the colder it needs to be.

[steady lance]

@paper tulip

[steady lance]

CCD1 on this CPU is really starting to piss me off.

It's able to clock 6Ghz but only with a large overvolt and the cores refuse to be stable with a negative or positive CO at +200mhz on the new bios.

I am currently trying Scalar 10x with -10 to see if that helps.

[steady lance]

-30 all core seems to work pretty well on CCD1 with the override reduced to +150.

[modern walrus]

meh I'll bother with it when I get 9850X3D (assuming it exists)

but congrats I know that was a ton of work lol

[steady lance]

Thank you.

[steady lance]

I think I just learned something really annoying. It seems all cores share the Core voltage rather then each core getting X amount because with CCD1 enabled it causes both CCDs to become unstable from lack of voltage.

[steady lance]

I could be wrong, it's just my going thinking so far because CCD0 is fully stable when CCD1 is disabled and temps remain nearly identical

[steady lance]

I am getting annoyed by the need to keep the ac running for every thing to be 100% stable. Gonna retune the ram at ambient.

[wooden vigil]

@steady lance just relized EXPO is tweaking out and giving me 4800 MHZ mind helpin gme later

?

[steady lance]

Sure.

[wooden vigil]

Time zones I’m busy rn

Sorry

Um

[steady lance]

@wooden vigil when you have time, tell me your specs then I will help you with steps.

• CPU
• Motherboard
• RAM (is it Hynix A/M die and what capacity)
• RAM cooling solution

[wooden vigil]

7700
X870 Steel legend
Hynix A Die
Just the heatsink

[steady lance]

Setup a fan to cool the RAM because we are gonna go down the RAM OC rabbit hole for this.

[wooden vigil]

hm

i don't have a spare fan

[steady lance]

Can be as jank as my setup, it just needs a fan and keep that fan at a static speed.

[steady lance]

Hmm, results will be very limited without a fan.

[wooden vigil]

At long as it's 6000 it's currently 4800 rn even after XMP

[steady lance]

Try this:

• vSOC = 1.25

• VDD = 1.45v

• VDDQ = 1.45v

• VDDIO = 1.4v

• SPEED = 6400mhz

• tCL = 30 (try 28 if you're feeling lucky)

• tRFC = 420 (try to lower this as much as you can, expect about 120ns for Hynix A)

• tREFI = 65535

If this doesn't work, raise vSOC to 1.3v (do not set higher then 1.3v to stay within safe limits).

@wooden vigil

If 1.3v vSOC fails, reduce the RAM SPEED to 6000 and try again.

[wooden vigil]

alr

i'll do that later i'm doing smt else rn thanks though

[steady lance]

Test using TestMem5 set to Extreme profile, Y-Cruncher VT3, and either Karhu (Cache+FPU) or MemTestPro.

[alpine mantle]

Just did both CPU and linpack testing on OCCT for the 5.3ghz retune, yes the 13600k pulls more power but the effective clocks are great now!

[alpine mantle]

Retune of the 13600k is a success, no WHEA errors (including opening radeon software). Already tested linpack and CPU test on OCCT and now over 2 hours of prime95 small FFT

The only thing that isn't overclocked is the ring ratios but i dont think its that important since my ram is already tuned

stock ring ratio is just 4.5ghz

overclocking it to 4.8ghz brings unnecessary voltage bump and power

[steady lance]

I haven't overclocked LGA1700, what does the Ring Clock do? @alpine mantle

[modern walrus]

just need 9850X3D now lol

[steady lance]

Oh snap. That's awesome man, congratulations 🎉.

How much did it cost if you don't mind me asking?

[calm grail]

This is confusing

[somber perch]

ROG dimm.2, it's for an nvme expansion card.

[calm grail]

Weird

[steady lance]

It supports 2 4.0x4 M.2 ssds via the included Add In Card.

[thin schooner]

that third one is for extra nvme ssd storage as a expansion slot card

[thin schooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV8iLYP54XQ

[steady lance]

I wonder if it will perform better then my V-Cache CCD.

It's currently doing 5.65Ghz flat with temps in high 50s. I decided to retune my PBO because I didn't want to rely on running the AC 24/7.

[steady lance]

Going from +200 with -15 being the worst CO, the CPU is now doing -30 as the worst CO at +100 and boosting without the need for AC.

[steady lance]

I wonder if the frequency to voltage scaling is mostly linear or not.

[steady lance]

Well unfortunately -30 caused Windows to Freeze giving me a still image.

[steady lance]

Hmm gonna try a new idea.

To help with Idle/low power state freezes the bane of my existence,I am gonna use Curve Shaper to run a very minor Positive CO at MINIMUM and LOW frequencies.

[upbeat cradle]

Anyone have some good bios settings for a Asus Strix x870e-h gaming with a Ryzen 7 9800x3D

For overclocking. For best FPS

[steady lance]

EASY OPTION

1. Enable PBO
2. Enable XMP/EXPO

HARD AND MORE REWARDING OPTION

1. Enable PBO

2. Enable XMP/EXPO

3. Using your RAM profile as a baseline, tune the ram's frequency and desired First Cas Latency, then do fCLK, then move on to tRFC and tREFI timings before doing Tertiary, Secondary, then Primary timings.

4. Tune the CPU using PBO's Curve Optimizer to reduce temps and improve efficiency resulting in higher boost clocks.

[upbeat cradle]

RTX5070. Graphics card.

Perfect. Thank you.

[steady lance]

The GPU is simply, crank the power limit, then raise GPU Memory and Core Clock till the app or windows crashes.

Then back it off till stable

With GPU Memory Clock you will notice artifacting beforehand

To test CPU and RAM stability download:

• Karhu (run it in Cache+FPU)

• Y-Cruncher (run it in VST3)

• Lots of games, Streams, and just idle stability.

[steady lance]

Idle stability can take days to detect.

[short blade]

@steady lance @alpine mantle all core -10 is not genshin stable

💀

as a reminder, 24/32/30/30/30/30/36/36 passed every stress test under the sun on this chip

[alpine mantle]

back to the drawing board...

[short blade]

yup basically gotta start over from scratch

using genshin as my only stress test lmao

evidently no other stress test matters

[alpine mantle]

kinda funny ngl

[alpine mantle]

what if another game like zenless zone zero or honkai star rail can be more sensitive than genshin 👀

[short blade]

💀

[short blade]

alright nvm something else is going on here

I noticed that every time the game fails to load wallpaper engine also crashes

game is failing to load with stock cpu + jedec ram + stock gpu + freshly reinstalled radeon drivers

[short blade]

im confused

[alpine mantle]

That is not good, either it's a bug with the game or the fact that there's stability issues with your PC

[short blade]

for a game as popular as this you'd think it would be widespread news if it was a problem with the game

[somber perch]

You can try ddu and verifying or reinstalling the game.

[wary python]

What about for asus prime X870-P WIFI please?

[steady lance]

Same instructions.

[sterile flame]

finnaly got my ram OC done

[steady lance]

Congratulations 🎉

[steady lance]

5.814Ghz! Core 0 V-Cache CCD on my 9950x3D on AIO. Testing using SuperPi 32M on BenchMate.

@acoustic crane @abstract merlin @static oasis @dim vale @somber perch @short blade @alpine mantle @barren ridge @calm grail @fervent talon

-60 CO with Scalar 10x

[dim vale]

please stop pinging me bro

just do it when you need help

[abstract merlin]

[steady lance]

Understood.

[abstract merlin]

What gains are made with increasing the scalar

Probably really small

[steady lance]

+25mv to the V/F curve's maximum voltage by adding additional points and supposedly tells the cpu to try and clock more aggressively.

[abstract merlin]

Right

[steady lance]

though no one has been able to provide an answer on how it tells it to clock more aggressive

[abstract merlin]

I know how fit and scalar works for the most part but what gains are made

[steady lance]

btw thanks to this I was able to confirm, my msi board really did let me apply -115 co lmao. Cause if that was in millivolts my cpu right now would not be posting

[abstract merlin]

That’s crazy

[steady lance]

I am GPU limited though my 1% lows are better and I get higher scores in benchmarks.

[abstract merlin]

Tru…

[steady lance]

I am unfortunately also thermally limited right now.

[abstract merlin]

The gains rhat nobody talks about

[steady lance]

Notice that the CPU was hitting 60c.

[abstract merlin]

How much higher does the cpu clock now

Compared to 1x

[steady lance]

compared to stock PBO (-10co all core and no frequency offset) it's a few hundred points higher now with -20 all core (-60 on core 0) and +311mhz.

Unfortunately all core loads has me very thermally limited now.

[steady lance]

I am clocking higher than a 9850x3D with +200mhz 😄

Boosting to 5.865ghz in office loads.

Now this is the weird part

for some reason my cpu is pulling less power then it did on my MSI X670E.

On that board it would've chugged 250w or more with my current settings. Right now I can't get it to pull more than 220w.

[abstract merlin]

Maybe lower curve offset combined with some other limitation is making it draw less

You say you are thermally limited so probably that is stopping it from going higher and use more power

Idrk tho

[steady lance]

Hmm guess I won't find out till I reduce cpu temps.

[steady lance]

I disabled CCD1 and brought temps down by 3-4c which kept it clocking 5.8ghz more. Also I reduced the max frequency from pbo to 150 from 200 because CCD1 tried to go to 6.1Ghz which cause my BIOS to freak out.

[steady lance]

Well... That was fun. Bclk caused my bios to not detect my windows drive so I had to tear my PC apart to reseat it along with a CMOS clear then reset my windows pin....

Maybe I won't be touching bCLK for a minute or two.

[steady lance]

.

For a overclocking board I really wish they added ECLK

[steady lance]

overnight run of Karhu (FPU+CACHE). This is +200mhz PBO, -60 CO on core 0 and -10co on the rest. Same settings in SuperPi 32M on core 0.

@abstract merlin so in SuperPi, the difference between -60 c0 and -10 on the rest with +200mhz compared to -60/-15 co with +311mhz is roughly 7-8s.

[steady lance]

@abstract merlin I've noticed something weird that I will investigate after I swap my PSU.

Remember the 200w limit mention?

Well for some reason it seems the power limit is hard locked to 200w PPT despite a 9999w watt limit in PBO

There is a setting called HIGH PPT MODE so I will try that and see if HWinfo reports the same limit

[steady lance]

Got the new PSU hooked up and I tried +200 with -20 to the other cores. Scored 332s in SuperPi 32M. So 2 seconds less.

Also I enabled HIGH PPT MODE and it raised the power limit to 280 watts.

[steady lance]

Got bCLK 102 to work again by just letting the motherboard control the PCIE slots rather than me manually setting them

Thanks to that, my VT3 score has gone from 1.01^10 to 1.05^10. also I managed to see a peak of 5.66Ghz all core in VT3 with an average of 5.15Ghz

Interesting bCLK 101 and 103 do not post into windows but bCLK 102 can.

[steady lance]

Hmm bCLK 102 consistently posts but is not stable. Chrome tabs act finicky and sometimes need refreshing.

I think I am just gonna have to be content with +200mhz on the CPU and instead focus on ram.

[steady lance]

@acoustic crane @abstract merlin @fervent talon @rose oak @shell dust so after messing around I am scoring about 7770-7800 in Steel Nomad on this card (~7% above average in SN).

In games I am seeing between 8-11% performance increase over stock with +10% power limit.

• +10% power limit (374w limit with 550w transients)

• -110mv

• 2940mhz Memory Clock (+425)

• Fast Timings

[abstract merlin]

I highly doubt that -110 is actually stable

I thought -120 was until I had some crashes so I dropped down to -110

Then 100

Then -90

After a few weeks

Do not use benchmarks, use a variety of games

And test with a framerate cap to make a lower, variable load

[steady lance]

Been testing using:

• Helldivers II
• Marvel Rivals
• The Isle
• Hogwarts Legacy

I tested both with and without a fps cap in HD2 and Rivals

I am gonna start working on my RAM to get an idea of what this CPU and RAM can do on the new board.

Trying 6600 1:1 at:

• 1.3v SOC
• 1.65v VDD
• 1.5v VDDQ
• 1.5v VDDIO
• Nitro 1/2/0/8x/8x

[steady lance]

DR at 6600 is once again proving to be a pain.

[steady lance]

Status update, it seems the more aggressive the undervolt, the less power is available for the memory so it can't clock as high. So far it appears games prefer a aggressive undervolt vs aggressive mem overclock.

[steady lance]

Memory clock seems to give better 1% lows while core undervolt seems to yield better better peak frames.

[modern walrus]

odds I can get this stable? I'm guessing like 3-5% lol

[steady lance]

how stable is it currently?

[modern walrus]

lol terrible ngl but oddly, this kinda works

[steady lance]

HOWWW

Give me your secrets please

[modern walrus]

Apex did all the work I dunno lmao

[steady lance]

Hmm.,

Did you adjust any resistance? @modern walrus

[modern walrus]

all auto tbh

[steady lance]

I have DR 2x32GB Hynix A on the B850M which should be in a similar ram oc class as the APEX.

[modern walrus]

I only set primaries to terrible & VDD/Q to 1.4

I started at 7000 & kept bumping 200mt/s expecting it to crap out around 7400-7600 tbh

[steady lance]

Huh interesting.

I wonder if DR Hynix scales linearly to SR Hynix when it comes to 2:1 mode.

[modern walrus]

I never got >7600 on X670E Taichi

[steady lance]

also Ggood mind if I pick your brain about water cooling?

[modern walrus]

for DR I mean

anytime

[steady lance]

Let's move to #cases-psu-and-cooling

[modern walrus]

sounds good

[modern walrus]

I wonder if this could actually be stable ish

[steady lance]

Are you putting the timings on full auto?

[modern walrus]

I set primaries only

[steady lance]

Hynix A die?

I think I am gonna try copying your settings with slightly higher voltages.

[modern walrus]

yes. I can't get thru ycruncher yet unfortunately but did get 7zip at least

supposedly non-X3D have better IMC so maybe it might work if throw enough spaghetti at the wall lol

I think it's likely more difficult than it's worth for me to try to get this daily stable but I might try 8000 or 8100 for daily

tbh 6200-6400 1:1 might still run better anyway

[steady lance]

I am thinking of trying it now

[steady lance]

I thought 8000 2:1 is considered the equivalanet of 6400 1:1.

Should I disable PBO before trying?

[modern walrus]

at least when I tried 6400 1:1 v. 8000 2:1, 1:1 ran faster on ycruncher

I don't necessarily think you need to disable it but I would just to have one less variable to consider

[steady lance]

Kay give me a sec

Mind helping me with this 2:1 experiment?

[modern walrus]

I'll do my best

[steady lance]

Entering bios

Btw I got 2900mhz mem on the 9070xt to be rock solid

[modern walrus]

I started with 7000c46-46-46-86 with auto for everything but VDD/VDDQ which I set at like 1.3 iirc

[steady lance]

Ran it through Steel Nomad, an hour of Vulkan Memtest, multitudes if games, overnight idle, and Rivals Benchmark

[steady lance]

How much SOC? For voltages I am thinking:

• VDD 1.6v
• VDDQ 1.55v
• VDDIO 1.5v

I am not sure how 2:1 scales compared to 1:1.

[modern walrus]

1.255 for SOC

it doesn't need crazy SOC you could probably even start at like 1.15 or 1.2 tbh

you only need a lot of SOC for 1:1 afik

I dunno if you need that much if you're gonna start with tCL 46 lol

scaling is more with VDDIO from what I've seen

[steady lance]

@modern walrus which primaries did you set?

For some reason this B850M doesn't follow the standard Prim/Second/Tert format

[modern walrus]

46-46-46-46-84

super loose lol

[steady lance]

tRC defaulted to 200?

[modern walrus]

199 for me lol

[steady lance]

I reverted Nitro to 2/3/1/8x/8x

[modern walrus]

oh ya I left those auto but 2/3/1 is auto

[steady lance]

So let's try this:

• Your primary timings with auto tRC

• Auto every other timings

• 1.25v SOC

• 1.6v VDD (can always lower)

• 1.55v VDDQ

• 1.5v VDDIO

Gonna try 8,000 2:1

[modern walrus]

if it has trouble POSTing, supposedly VDDP helps with training

like 1-1.15 ish

[steady lance]

Gotcha. Would 1.2v be fine if it works?

Just so I have an idea as to how far I can take it.

[modern walrus]

I think that might be a little high

I mean 1.15v turns purple on Asus

usually like yellow is high-ish, red is high, & purple is like good luck

[steady lance]

Ahh I see.

I am pretty sure I was running 1.17v VDDP for the last few months prior to swapping my board.

[modern walrus]

supposedly vddp is more for training than like runtime but that's just me repeating what I read lol

[steady lance]

I kinda miss my MSI board in the sense that it let me set VDD up to 2.5v and it didn't have the -60 CO limit.

[modern walrus]

which MSI board? I wanted the ACE but they didn't make X870E

[steady lance]

MSI X670E Gaming WiFi.

It let me set CO as much as -200 though I never got anything past -125 to post on my best core.

[modern walrus]

that one looked good. The Carbon was nice too

I have a love/hate relationship with MSI BIOS

[steady lance]

Agreed lmao

[modern walrus]

I really miss pressing the left & right arrow keys to jump like half the BIOS

[steady lance]

Better than Gigabyte in my experience so far.

[modern walrus]

I've really only ever had one Gigabyte board which was my B550 Aorus Master which was alright

[steady lance]

I don't like that Gigabyte uses a lot of non standard names in the bios and like the timings use the 1st/2nd/3rd organization.

[modern walrus]

it had dual BIOS but no way to select one... which was kinda stupid but better than the B550-F Strix board that made you clear CMOS whenever it didn't like your timings

[steady lance]

I think 8000 might be a no go right now

It's still training

Clear CMOS and up VDDP?

[modern walrus]

if it's still on Code 15, it's trying so let it cook as the kids say lol

[steady lance]

I don't have a code reader

I wish I did

[modern walrus]

ah okay does it light up the DRAM light? I'm not sure if that's the same thing tho

[steady lance]

Yeah DRAM light is on

[modern walrus]

does it always do that during training or only when it's stuck there?

Too bad they didn't make MSI Unify-X for awhile

I mean Z690 Unify-X was pretty meh but Z590 was great

[steady lance]

Always

All I know is the dram light is on whenever it's doing anything involving memory

[modern walrus]

ah well if it's taking more than like 90 seconds, it's probably not going to POST

[steady lance]

Been about 8 minutes

More VDDP or what's the thinking? @modern walrus

[modern walrus]

at 8000?

[steady lance]

Yeah

I will check what it's at in a sec

[modern walrus]

maybe try like 1.35-1.4ish for VDDIO

[steady lance]

Anything below 8000 probably isn't worth running

[steady lance]

Less voltage?

[modern walrus]

tbh I dunno if 8k even is

ya it gets really touchy

like I was pushing + or - for like minimum steps

[steady lance]

Gotcha. I will set VDDP to 1.15v and VDDIO to 1.4v

[modern walrus]

oh & at 8000, maybe try tRCDWR/RD & tRP at 48

[steady lance]

Seems my VDDP was already at 1.1v

[modern walrus]

I think auto usually sets like 1.094xxx or something so maybe 1.15ish

wait I think it's 0.94xxx on auto

[steady lance]

Kay so:

• tRCD 46 to 48

• tRP to 48

• tRAS 86

• tRC 200

• VDDIO 1.5 to 1.4

• VDDQ 1.55 to 1.5

• VDDP 1.1 to 1.15

[modern walrus]

any progress? maybe try 7600 just to see if it runs then step up. or try auto to see what the board comes up with

[steady lance]

Holy sh

We may have made progress

Still on DRAM but it's actually training.

Before it was stuck

Dang it

Boot failed

[modern walrus]

maybe drop VDDIO to like 1.35?

[steady lance]

Aight

I wonder why lowering it would help. Weird

[modern walrus]

gotta find the IMC's happy place lol

[steady lance]

Kay round 3

We're gonna do this

[modern walrus]

cuz something with like signal traces & noise or something beyond my mind's ability to rationalize

[steady lance]

I summon the lucky belly

[modern walrus]

like people who can turn a little green square with metal on it into games... I dunno how their minds work I can't be on their level lol

[steady lance]

Kay it's rebooted and now entering training

The board is a B850M Force V2 WiFi

It's nice that if it fails to get into BIOS rather than being stuck it undos the settings and loads me into BIOS with a pop up.

.

Another post fail

I am gonna try this Memory Target option

[modern walrus]

does it have memory presets? sometimes that gives you clues on what the board wants

[steady lance]

Not that I see so far

[modern walrus]

hmm could try manually setting the on-die terminations?

[steady lance]

I am setting memory target speed to 8,000. Bumped VDDP to 1.18v and VDDIO to auto. Let's see what she does.

[steady lance]

Elaborate please.

[modern walrus]

these crazy things

[steady lance]

Oh

I have no idea how to mess with those terminations.

[modern walrus]

this is all I've figured out about how (some) of these work
RttNom: Idle/Steady State
RttWr: Writes from CPU to DRAM (tWR, tWTR_L/S)
RttPark: Long sequential writes
RTTParkDQS: read timings alignment

[steady lance]

Another boot fail....

Do you think it would be more worth while for me to try getting 6600 1:1 stable since I was able to post with that?

[modern walrus]

if you can get 6600 1:1 to run, that's probably way better

I couldn't get that stable at all

like it can POST but wouldn't get thru any benchmarks

[steady lance]

I was able to game on 6600 when I was in Alaska prior to a bios update

So let's try that

For 1:1 higher VDDIO is better yes?

[modern walrus]

oddly

on X670E Taichi

I ran VDDIO at like 1.25

for 6400

[steady lance]

Hmm we will try 1.45 then rather then 1.5 from the get go

[modern walrus]

I just had to hammer SOC voltage lol

[steady lance]

To blurry

How much SOC?

[modern walrus]

like 1.22 VDDIO & 1.265 SOC for 6200c28

[steady lance]

That seems like a lot for 6200

I was running 6400 at 1.24v SOC

I am in Windows @modern walrus

6600 1:1

Poop timings

[modern walrus]

1.24 VDDIO/1.285 SOC 6400c28

but that might just be a goofy asrock thing

[modern walrus]

nice. leave them loose & stress test to make sure voltages are okay before timings iirc

[steady lance]

VT3 or Karhu?

[steady lance]

Well it isn't staining it's pants so far

Running Karhu GPU+Cache

Minute in

[modern walrus]

nice nice

I kinda gave up on 8200 getting stable but 8100 is getting thru ycruncher now at least

[steady lance]

Like let me put this in perspective

[modern walrus]

I wonder how high you can run FCLK

[steady lance]

I couldn't get past the 1 minute mark no matter what on either of my MSI boards

[modern walrus]

cuz I think FCLK runs higher at lower VSOC or something counterintuitive like that

[steady lance]

I am now 3 minutes in with no stutters or issues

F

It just errored

Still this is major progress

[modern walrus]

1.65 VDD might be too heavy

[steady lance]

You think it's to much?

[modern walrus]

just drop tCL to like 38 or 36 maybe so it needs the voltage lol

[steady lance]

Interesting it erroed when the mem hit 50c

Might be temp related?

[modern walrus]

oh yaa that's a thing for sure

I remember on DDR4 with bdie as soon as you hit a specific temp, it instantly crashed

[steady lance]

I am gonna put a fan on the ram and drop voltage to 1.6

[modern walrus]

damn & you don't even have tREFI maxxed out or tRFC super tight yet

which seem to really affect temps iirc

btw MSI tomahawk is a pretty good looking board

the like green & black one

[steady lance]

@modern walrus this look good lmfao?

[modern walrus]

ends justify the means

[steady lance]

Running Karhu at the same settings just with the fan to see if the reduced temp makes a big difference

[modern walrus]

it'll probably run until it hits 50C

[steady lance]

Sad it errored at 38.

[modern walrus]

damn maybe you do need that much VDD

[steady lance]

I really hope it's not a VDD limit

Cause this board has a stupid limit of 1.65v

I raised VDDG to +100mv from stock and lowered VDDIO to 1.4v. will try 1.5v VDDIO after

[modern walrus]

maybe just tighten timings then

[steady lance]

Seems less VDDIO causes errors to consistently error faster

[modern walrus]

well no two IMCs are exactly the same ig lol

plus the motherboard affects things too

[steady lance]

I know 1.5v is safe to daily on 9000 series but I am not sure if say 1.55 would be safe if that's how much it takes

[modern walrus]

damn on VDDIO? maybe I should blast it more

[steady lance]

From what I know yeah. I've run 1.5v VDDIO for about a year now and there are other folks in the OC discord that daily 1.5 for their 8300-8400 2:1 setups

7000 series the safe limit is considered 1.45v

[modern walrus]

I feel like as long as it's not overheating it's probably not thaat bad lol

oh I see

cuz of the way they moved vcache or something

[steady lance]

I assume it has something to do with that

Please board

Give me 6600 stable

[modern walrus]

why'd you get rid of the MSI board btw

[steady lance]

Two reasons:

1. Downsizing my case to the custom one I am making which I can bring as Carry-On

2. Because I was able to acquire this RAM OC board at half price.

[modern walrus]

ah I see

[steady lance]

I sold my MSI board to make up for all but $5-10 for this board swap

We made it past 3m!

And going strong

Nitros are at Robust, 2/3/1/8x/8x

If we make it to the 5m mark then I will try enabling XMP. @modern walrus you think this gonna work?

We did it!

[modern walrus]

noice haha

I was trying to come up with an educated guess

[modern walrus]

gotta drop timings now lol

[steady lance]

I am gonna try XMP with tCL 26.

[modern walrus]

damn how much VDD does that need?

[steady lance]

We are gonna find out. I was running VDD 1.85v till I got this board with a 1.65v limit. The extra VDD at 1.85 was because I floored a lot of the timings

And got tRFC 115ns stable xD

[modern walrus]

how do you cool that without like water or LN2? lol

[steady lance]

It's called quality stock heat spreaders that use a thermal pad, all aluminum heatspreader, and slotted for air to pass with a 180mm fan at 100%

[modern walrus]

oh ya that's a lot of air moving there

[steady lance]

I bought 15 Arctic P12 Pro fans for my custom case

I plan to setup the rad fans as pull so it blasts extra air onto the ram since the rad is mounted to the side panel

That should help me keep things cooler

[modern walrus]

oh ya I love those things cuz of the 5-packs lol

[steady lance]

Agreed

Btw posted without issue

Running Karhu for 5m then I am gonna try playing HD2 with my pals on the ram tune

@modern walrus you have HellDivers II?

F it erroed 1m in

Gonna try the XMP tCL of 32

[modern walrus]

I don't

I probably should

At least Resident Evil Requiem comes out in like 6 days

[steady lance]

Btw I am finally making the jump to QHD.

Bought a 240hz QHD Mini-LED monitor from AOC.

[modern walrus]

hot take: I always play 4k lol

[steady lance]

I like high FPS. Anything below 120 feels a bit choppy to me.

Argggg

This is being a pain

Errored again

[modern walrus]

I play 4k even tho I really need to get glasses lol

[steady lance]

I wonder if I am actually limited by VDD

[modern walrus]

that seems like a lot of VDD for tCL 44 lol

[steady lance]

Only thing I changed were loose primaries to XMP

Makes me wonder if this means I need to either get a board without the 1.65v VDD limit or get better ram

But THAT IS GONNA BE EXPENSIVE

[alpine mantle]

@modern walrus @steady lance what are some good CPU stress tests that find errors fast while not taking too much power (prime95 - small/smallest fft). I already tried linpack and cinebench r23

My cooler can handle up to 210w fine before it starts to thermal throttle at like 216w+

[steady lance]

Karhu (FPU+CACHE) and Y-Cruncher VT3 for all core. For single core I like to to run SuperPI 32M set to the specific thread.

[alpine mantle]

Thanks

[alpine mantle]

Trying to get 5.5ghz to work at 1.2v for the 13600k

[modern walrus]

OCCT is pretty good & has plenty of testing options https://www.ocbase.com/occt/personal

[modern walrus]

don't forget load line calibration

[alpine mantle]

still leaving that on auto lmao

gah 5.5ghz doesn't work, guess ill lower it to 5.4ghz or maybe... Lower the ecore clocks

already using OCCT btw

so it managed to pass occt linpack test but not r23

[steady lance]

OCCT will overheat his cooler though

I am very frustrated. I am like 99.9% certain I am VDD limited for 6,600mhz 1:1

Cause 6,600 with loose timings works but if I tighten timings it becomes unstable.

.....

G.Skill 6000cl26 kits are now $1,000 usd

[alpine mantle]

Got whea errors with 5.5ghz, that clock speed needs more than 1.2v to be error free. I'll stick with 5.4ghz again

[steady lance]

... Can I shunt mod the VDD power delivery?

[steady lance]

Any particular reason for not using like 1.225v? I am not to familiar with Intel overclocking.

[alpine mantle]

Too much power draw lol, it gets to a point where it's not worth it

At 1.195v I'm already reaching around 175-178w with r23

And 180w ish with linpack

[steady lance]

Ahh so you can't go higher without a better cooler?

[alpine mantle]

Goal was to run this chip behind its advertised turbo tdp (181w). Cooler can handle up to 210w without throttling

[steady lance]

Say do you per chance know how to mod bios? @modern walrus @alpine mantle

[alpine mantle]

Definitely not

[latent wave]

how bad is it if my vsoc spikes to 65000W

[steady lance]

Lmao I love this misread.

Reminds me of when HWinfo thought my V-Cache CCD hit 10.9Ghz

[latent wave]

W=VA, so at 1.24V, thats 50,000A

https://tenor.com/view/goku-kamehameha-gif-25594249

ITS OVER 9000

[steady lance]

You know

I am regretting not buying the 2x32 6000cl26 ram kit when it was $350

I had instead at the time opted to buy some headphones at $400

Honestly it'd be cheaper now to buy an X670E gene and not have the VDD limit.

[latent wave]

i think thats i have simular ram

bought mid 2023 and probably has 2x in price

I paid $230, its now $900 lol

[steady lance]

Why is it runny at 5800mhz...

[latent wave]

6000 was unstable and too hot

[steady lance]

Sff case?

[latent wave]

no im in the antec flux pro but I think the dimms are just in a dead spot in the case

[latent wave]

gpu blocks bottom intake, qDIMM blocks front intake

[steady lance]

Seems I got my baseline.

Going to try cl26 now

[steady lance]

@latent wave embrace the inner engineer

[latent wave]

good luckk

i transporrt my PC to and from college so its a bit too much jank right now

[steady lance]

Mhmm gotcha

I am working on a custom 45 linear inch case right now for travel purposes

[steady lance]

@latent wave @alpine mantle @modern walrus at least it seems 6400cl26 is doable at 1.65v

[alpine mantle]

Nice, and I got my CPU stable at 1.21v @ 5.5ghz

[steady lance]

Lovely.

[late kraken]

Niceee..

[steady lance]

I am gonna need to drastically improve my cooling. Right now, tREFI max is causing the ram to get past 50c. I miss my 10c ambient....

[alpine mantle]

Getting addicted to cpu oc again for daily. Managed to get the 13600k up to:
P-Core: 5.5ghz
E-Core: 4.4ghz
Ring (cache): 4.8ghz

I've tried linpack and r23 as stress tests to prevent thermal throttling and those passed. Can't use small/smallest FFT with avx2 because it draws way too much power my cooler can handle.

I feel like increasing the ring clocks up to 5ghz to finalize it.

[steady lance]

Interesting that on Intel cache can be tuned separately.

[alpine mantle]

Yep, so far 5ghz doesn't work at 1.220v so I'm trying 4.9ghz for cache

That will be the last tune for the 13600k

[steady lance]

I see. One of the biggest limits for OC on AM5 is that the cache boosts with the cores. To hit 5.75ghz, both the cores and cache need to reach that.

[alpine mantle]

That sounds super difficult ngl

[steady lance]

Temps become a serious issue. I can't get 5.75Ghz sustained unless the CPU is within 50c.

Past 50c it quickly drops to 5.6ish

[alpine mantle]

Guess it has to be cooled by a fridge lol

Quick update on the 4.9ghz ring clock, it failed. I'll go back to 4.8ghz and lock in the tune

[steady lance]

My stable GPU OC so far:

• +10% PL
• -70 UV
• 2900mhz with Fast Timings

Survives gaming, blender, benchmarks, etc.

[steady lance]

I am impressed by how much of a difference, reducing tRFC makes.

Y-Cruncher VT3 scores:

• 6400 with auto timings: 1.29^10
• 6400 with XMP and tCL 26: 1.3^10.
• 6400cl26 with XMP and tight tRFC : 1.37^10.

@alpine mantle @modern walrus

I am going to need to come up with a better way to keep temps under control.

[steady lance]

0.o this board is starting to show it's OC abilities. Managed to post tRFC 115ns without any issue. On my MSI boards I never got below 117ns and only 120ns or higher was stable.

Hmm I am gonna try to bring this down another 2-4 ns or so.

I won't be able to raise tREFI till I drop my temps significantly

tRFC 350-365 refused to post. tRFC 368 did so if this works I think that's going to pretty much be as low as I can go.

Did not work.

So far lowest that passes VT3 is tRFC 370

@latent inlet I know you're here

🕵️

[latent inlet]

0.0

HMMMMMM

what happened

O no post?

[steady lance]

I saw you typing.

[latent inlet]

i'm not really an overclocker

:3

[steady lance]

I got tRFC 370 (115.75ns) to post and pass VT3 though tRFC 368 (115ns) posted but did not pass.

[steady lance]

Okay so I reduced VDDQ because it was rather high, and that gave me the thermal headroom to max tREFI. The score in VT3 is now 7.2% faster compared to 6400cl26 with XMP plus auto.

Gonna loosen up tRFC to 116ns to avoid freezes.

[alpine mantle]

Indeed, that and trefi makes a noticeable difference in latency/bandwidth

[steady lance]

I think I am gonna do fCLK next before working on timings.

[steady lance]

Man I swear, most of the folks over in the OC discord have a nasty attitude. All they say is good or bad with no explanation and when asked you get cussed at.

[alpine mantle]

Must be all those hours on ram tuning leaving them cranky XD

Anyways I'm itching for a 5.6ghz overclock now. My 5.5ghz tune is mad stable

Goal is to get it running under 1.25v

Now at 1.240v

Guess that didn't work lol

Gonna try 1.250v and that's it

Thermal throttled, ok I'll just push voltage up to 1.230v just to max out ring clocks

That doesn't work either, guess 5.5/4.4/4.8ghz is the final tune. Honestly not too bad!

All of these pics is the current OC tune passing those stability tests. I'll keep this till my next major pc upgrade, not planning on getting a 14th gen cpu for my socket. This is satisfactory 🙂

[Benchmark Scores]

[steady lance]

Use an AIO.

In any case, well done.

[alpine mantle]

Nah, I'd air cool it

But thanks

[steady lance]

I know! TEC (peltier) with air cooler on top for the TEC.

[alpine mantle]

Lol

[alpine mantle]

I really am fine with this tune tho, games feel a lot smoother/fluid now so im thinking the 1% lows have increased

good stuff

[steady lance]

@alpine mantle @modern walrus I may've found a way to get 6600 1:1 stable. I noticed that at stock settings my SOC voltage was averaging about 15mv lower then what I set it under load.

So I just raised the LLC SOC level and so far it's passing VT3.

[alpine mantle]

Dunno if that is super tight or not but its good that its staying stable from VT3

1:1 tho sheesh

[steady lance]

Most 7000/9000 can't run 6400 1:1 stable. Highest stable for the average 7000 and 9000 series is 6200mhz 1:1.

2:1 is very dependent on the sample and board rather than the ram.

[steady lance]

@alpine mantle @modern walrus 24m in Karhu FPU+Cache so far.

passes karhu now i need it to pass multiple runs of vt3

[alpine mantle]

crazy run

still pulls less watts than my cpu lmfao

[steady lance]

Power limited right now since I am at stock settings.

Without limits it pulls around 250w.

[alpine mantle]

lol nvm then, my cpu would pull up to 230w and throttle hard if i were to run prime95 with avx2

[steady lance]

Fair. I need to use Push/Pull on my aio to keep my CPU from thermal throttling when pulling 300w.

Though since my ambient now around 26-30c not -10c the CPU refused to pull 300w.

[mighty ivy]

i see all these poeple with thermal throttle issue on their 9950X and i be sitting here with my cpu at 40c gaming

[alpine mantle]

could just be posts about putting their cpu through a stress test or that their cooling solution is done incorrectly. They can always undervolt it anyways

[steady lance]

Gaming is very different from sustained high load.

9950x draws 170w stock. I am talking about preventing my 9950x3D from throttling when it was pulling nearly double that at 300w.

[mighty ivy]

so you guys are ocing and doing runs with the settings

[steady lance]

Yup.

[steady lance]

I also use the OC settings as my daily tune where the cpu is hammered in 3D apps like Blender.

[modern walrus]

Did you enable SOC Uncore mode? It's in AMD overclocking settings somewhere. Powerdown disable good too

Decent showing for cpu at stonk clocks ig. FCLK runs 2200 at 1.255 ostensibly well

Delid seems successful so far

[steady lance]

What does UNCORE mode do?

It defaults to enabled I think.

[somber perch]

Yeah gaming isn't comparable to a synthetic stress test. 170 though is the TDP which is just a number amd pulls straight out of their butts. PPT is usually about 30% higher than TDP on their cpus at stock so seeing 220W+ in stress tests is pretty normal. It's kind of like intel advertising pl1 and boost clocks in the same breath.

[steady lance]

Lmao fair enough. Though that's assuming PBO isn't enabled. The rated TDP and the PPT is usually very similar in my experience if PBO is disabled.

[somber perch]

I spend some time at a tech support forum and one of the tests we have people do is running prime95 and furmark with hwinfo logging to chart the results. Don't see a whole lot of r9s but seeing the 65W ryzen cpus running in the mid 80s ppt and the 105W ones up around 130-140 is the normal result. The x3ds are generally closer to the advertised TDP though, the 7800x3d in particular is typically well under the 120W TDP in real use. Prime95 is a synthetic test and about as worst case scenario as it gets for power draw so maybe there is a difference there if you're using something more realistic. Our goal for that test is typically mainly to check temps and voltage regulation.

7600x is another one but that probably didn't need the 105W TDP they gave it.

[modern walrus]

it doesn't let SOC or iGPU power down. helps with stability sometimes

[steady lance]

Disable it to keep it static or?

This is making a huge difference in my RAM temps.

7c change in RAM temps on the P12 Pro vs my 180 GP-18 fan blowing directly down on it.

[steady lance]

progress on the 6,600 1:1 tune

It's not immediately erroring anymore

[modern walrus]

1.6 gets spicy for sure

[modern walrus]

enable to keep static

[steady lance]

Gotcha. Right now I have SOC set to 1.3v with UNCORE enabled and flat LLC for the 6,600 experiment.

[steady lance]

I will be damned if it takes north of 1.65v VDDQ to get it stable because I am fairly certain the IMC can handle 6,600 1:1 based on the above.

[steady lance]

Significant progress! Made it ~25m before erroring wheras it was erroring between 1-5m in. Changing ProcODT PD helped a lot.

@modern walrus @alpine mantle

[alpine mantle]

Decent progress

[steady lance]

I made some changes and it's now 40m in with no issues.

More importantly, I have two P12 Pros blasting the ram from the top and bottom now to keep temps under control.

[alpine mantle]

Is the ram liquid cooled?

[steady lance]

Currently air cooled with two P12 Pros at 100%.

[steady lance]

So I've tried every ProcODT PD impedance from 53.3 to 480 OHMs.

Going below 50 OHMs constantly errored and 120 OHMs lasted slightly longer then 480 OHMs at around 28-29m vs 26m however 120 OHMs scored between 1.16-1.17^10 while 480 OHMs scored a consistent 1.18^10. Do you think this means 480 OHMs is more stable?

[steady lance]

@modern walrus I managed to get 6800 1:1 to post out of curiosity.

Gonna start futsing with ProcODT PU and see if that helps with stability at 6,600 1:1

[steady lance]

1h30m, huge progress!

[steady lance]

@modern walrus @alpine mantle @somber perch @distant cypress @acoustic crane @abstract merlin

Hahahahahahahaha!

Finally I got 6400 1:1 with GDM disabled and Nitro 1/2/0 to not just boot but also run!!!

This was only like my 50th attempt or so if you include the other two AM5 boards lmao

Man it feels good to finally pull this off after a year of futsing with different boards

Apparently what I had to do was change the On-Die-Termination settings for CK/CA/CS

What I've learned from this Fiasco is that although a good board makes a big difference, changing the ODTs to better match the components makes a much bigger difference.

[steady lance]

still going strong

[abstract merlin]

Tuff

What are on die terminations

Oh resistances

Yeah these I have no idea about

[steady lance]

Yep.

[steady lance]

ProcODT PD and PU control the signal between the RAM and IMC.

[abstract merlin]

All I know is that they exist and are a major factor with things like mcr and memory training

And dialing in overclocks

[steady lance]

Those are what helps me stabilize 6,600 1:1

[abstract merlin]

Right

[steady lance]

And right now I am futsing with CK/CA/CS drive resistances to get GDM stabilized those to my understanding affect the resistance of the traces within the ram directly.

I am trying to get 6600 1:1 to boot with GDM off and Nitro 1/2/0 right now.

Though right now that seems unlikely

[abstract merlin]

Isn’t your infinity fabric clock supposed to be a little higher?

Or is that just splitting hairs

Isn’t it supposed to follow the other clocks increasing? With the memory clock at 3200 shouldn’t it be 2133?

[steady lance]

Stock IF is 1800 though with XMP/EXPO it goes to 2,000.

Right now mine is set to 2000 to minimize variables though my chip can do 2,200 stable.

As for the whole syncing the IF to the memory clock, that's only beneficial if you are chasing a fraction of a ns to get speed records. For real world use, the higher bandwidth provided by running the IF as high as possible yields better performance.

AM5 CPUs have rather low bandwidth so increasing the clock of the IF makes a big difference for the total bandwidth of the processor.

@abstract merlin does this help answer the question?

[abstract merlin]

[steady lance]

2,200 IF.

[abstract merlin]

Oh true that is a really small gain

[alpine mantle]

after trying out my highest daily 13600k oc (5.5ghz pcore/4.4ghz ecore) the gains were very minimal, and even if 1% lows may be improved it was smooth at stock to begin with. I managed to undervolt the processor with stock clocks at a -0.150v offset and it consumes 128w all core on cinebench r23

performance in games remain fine

I guess it really is true that these cpus are already too strong out the factory lol

[steady lance]

About a 9.8-10% performance gain by:

• tCL 32 to 26

• tRFC1 280ns to 118ns (how fast a cycle is complete)

• tREFI 12,000 to 65535 (How long data is stored till a new cycle is needed)

• fCLK (Infinity Fabric) 2000 to 2200

The performance difference between 2000 and 2200 fCLK is about 2%.

[steady lance]

Tune the ram to the moon!

[alpine mantle]

not going back to that herculian task

[steady lance]

9.8% raw computational performance increase by just tuning the heck out of the ram.

Brought my average FPS in HD2 from 115 to 135ish fps.

[alpine mantle]

i already tuned the ram and i think its fine

[steady lance]

Compared to stock 6000cl32 XMP

[steady lance]

Seems moderate. tCL seems unusually high for a tuned 3600 profile?

[alpine mantle]

didn't bother changing because the kit i have is not so great

[steady lance]

Gotcha

Right now I am debating 6400 1:1 with GDM off and Nitro 1/2/0 or 6600 with GDM on and Nitro 2/3/1. Honestly I think the performance difference would be less than 1%.

[steady lance]

6400 GDM off continues to be rock solid.

Currently working on SCLs.

@modern walrus @alpine mantle any progress on your ends?

[steady lance]

Also I was right about this. The difference is margin of error so I am opting for 6400 1:1 with GDM off and Nitro 1/2/0 so I use less voltage.

[steady lance]

SCL 6/6 got my score from 1.43 to 1.49

Will try SCL 5/5 later

[alpine mantle]

just stuck with an undervolt profile on stock clocks instead of overclock lol

[alpine mantle]

@steady lance reverted back to OC profile lmfao

[steady lance]

good

[alpine mantle]

Did 5 runs of stellar blade with this OC profile, memory crashes after 2684mhz it seems. Also had to turn down core UV to -40 but its stable now. Not gonna increase power because the gains are minimal (extra 1-2fps)

[steady lance]

What about 1% lows with high pl?

[alpine mantle]

don't think theres a difference tbh, games already running smooth lol

[modern walrus]

8200 is a no-go. 8100 has been such an uphill battle that I just dropped to 8000 a few minutes ago. I got 8100 thru OCCT's memory test for an hour but it errored out at something pathetic like 38% on Karhu. I've been trying to tune VSOC & VDDIO but haven't been able to find the right combination yet. It's been annoying as hell frankly lol

[steady lance]

I suggest starting by lowering vSOC then reduce VDDIO.

1.55v VDDIO is fine for daily on 9000 series.

[modern walrus]

I've been at pretty much every setting between 1.0-1.2v on VSOC & 1.3-1.45v on VDDIO lol

[steady lance]

what's your voltage combo at right now?

[modern walrus]

for 8000c36-46-46 it's VDD/Q 1.55; VDDIO 1.35; & VSOC 1.2

CPU doesn't like >1.4 apparently for VDDIO

[steady lance]

Interesting.

[modern walrus]

I should probably go back to the drawing board & auto all the timings except primaries

[steady lance]

I wonder if it's because you are in 2:1

[modern walrus]

like it'll POST >1.4 but once it's at or above 1.45, it'll error loading windows

I read where someone had better luck setting RTT Wr to 80 or 60 ohm instead of 120 but it doesn't seem to wanna POST lower than 120. It'll POST at 240 but that doesn't really seem to provide any benefits

I dropped FCLK down to 2000 in hopes of eliminating that as a variable but it'll POST 2200 fairly easily

I'm almost annoyed enough to open Excel lol

I haven't made one of these ridiculous things in awhile

ah well I'm gonna play Resident Evil Requiem on 12900K/3080ti for now ig

[steady lance]

@modern walrus solution. Go DD with a chiller to safely run SOC above 1.3v

[abstract wedge]

babg, base and bbse are in the epstein files 😭 😭

[modern walrus]

just put a radiator outside your window with anti-freeze in it lol

does your board let you set >1.3 VSOC? I think mine might if I enable LN2 mode but I haven't tried

[steady lance]

Mine has the mode but I haven't tried using it.

[modern walrus]

ya I'm reluctant cuz of those stories of CPUs getting hecked on Asus & Asrock boards even with the 1.3 limit

[steady lance]

Almost always due to very poor contact and insufficient cooling

I was running 1.31v for about a month or so on my MSI board.

[kindred spade]

hello i could use some help with my 7600x

so im watching this famous video about "fixing" ryzen 7000, and at 4:55 i get this screenshot for what to manually limit PBO to

ryzen 7600x , msi mag b650 tomhawk what would i do the numbers for

on my bios, I have this

I’m so confused

[steady lance]

@kindred spade is your goal to get performance or make the chip more efficient?

If it is performance than set PPT/TDC/EDC to the maximum value that your bios allows and then enable Boost Clock Override, set to Enable Positive, and set it to +200, from there set a Negative All Core Curve Optimizer value of -10 and see if you hit those clock speeds and whether or not it is stable.

[kindred spade]

Trying to make my chip not hit 98c on HWinfo every time I open a game. Ive been told its voltage issues.

[steady lance]

If it is reaching 98c on stock than you have a serious issue with your TiM or a insufficient cooler.

[kindred spade]

It’s a b650 so I’m probably screwed

[steady lance]

1. What is your ambient temp (approximate)

2. What TiM (thermal compound)

3. What cooler

[steady lance]

Has no affect on CPU temps.

[kindred spade]

If the voltage deliciery is faulty (which this b650 msi mag is known for) then yes, it does affect cpu temperatures

I know the for sure lol

[steady lance]

I am doubtful of overvoltage. Not impossible but doubtful.

[kindred spade]

Not trying to be obtuse., trying to learn, why are you doubtful?

[steady lance]

If it was supplying a excess amount of voltage you would be running into instability issues, crashing, and a long list of other issues. In addition your bios is reading normal idle voltages for the core.

In HWinfo does your core voltage ever exceed 1.4v?

Please bare with my tone. I am just trying to be as straightforward as possible.

Also haven't slept in about 20hrs.

[kindred spade]

No no. You’re trying to help, I am infinitely grateful for it. I also haven’t slept a lot lol, trying not to be difficult

[kindred spade]

I do get some crashes and micro stutters, but that could be caused by temperature issues so I’m not sure.

I didn’t see it go above 1.4

[steady lance]

Hitting 98c in gaming at stock with normal voltage readings reek:

• Poor cooler contact
• Insufficient cooler
• Bad mounting pressure
• Bad TiM coverage

I'd honestly take the chip out, wipe the contacts with some alcohol, blow out any dust in the motherboard socket then carefully reseat the CPU and reapply the TiM and mount the cooler with even mounting pressure.

Shotgun approach the possible issues in one go.

If you don't have 100% alcohol, 70% or higher medical alcohol works fine. Just wipe the contacts down with a lint free paper towel (paper kitchen towels are good for this) and blow on the contacts to help it dry off faster. About 15m is sufficient.

[steady lance]

Then your voltages are normal.

1.4v is the max voltage the CPU is allowed to be supplied with, without any overrides.

@kindred spade try the above and let me know if it is fixed.

Also what cooler and Tim are you using?

[kindred spade]

I have 90% iso that I use to remove paste. Shouldn’t be an issue

[steady lance]

Good.

[kindred spade]

Artic fox paste? I think
Peerless assassin

[steady lance]

Arctic MX?

There is no Arctic Fox paste.

[steady lance]

Not ideal but sufficient.

[kindred spade]

Artic something

Dark blue tube

I know that’s not helpful, sorry

[steady lance]

If it's MX 4-7 it is fine.

4 and 5 are not ideal but works.

[fervent talon]

What would OCing my ram from 3600mhz to anything higher do?

@steady lance

[steady lance]

Better frame timings and lows with a negligable boost to max fps as that is affected almost entirely by the cpu and gpu if the ram isn't the bottleneck.

[fervent talon]

I currently have a 3600, 9060xt 16gb, and (2x8) 16gb of 3600mhz

[steady lance]

I'd expect better frame timing and lows then with a minor uplift to max.

maybe ~5% difference on average if you can get 4,000mhz 1:1 stable.

If you play ram sensitive games like Marvel Rivals or Minecraft, the difference is much larger.

[fervent talon]

Damn.

[fervent talon]

So what would be better, going to 32gb of 3200mhz? Or overclocking to 4000 1:1? @steady lance

[steady lance]

The higher capacity will yield no benefit unless you're using your current 16GB max.

[uneven knot]

What’s a good starting point for PPT, TDC & EDC limits on a 7600x?

I have PBO enabled with throttle limit set to 85 & curve optimizer -30.

[steady lance]

Are you going for performance or efficiency? If performance just set it to the bios max as the CPU will only pull what it wants.

[uneven knot]

Well, I recently updated my bios and now cinebench goes to like 80c. I got it down to 70c but on my other bios I wouldn’t go higher than 60-65c.

Which is weird because the only thing I did on the other bios was turn on PBO & my curve optimizer to -30.

What I had to do now is manually set PPT, TDC & EDC.

So it’s almost like the -30 wasn’t really doing anything on it’s own anymore.

[steady lance]

What is your score in CineBench

Compared to before.

Sounds like the bios changed the boost behavior

[uneven knot]

It was about a 600 point difference.

15505 on the old bios

14909 on the new bios

I’ll double check

[steady lance]

600 points is a big difference.

[tawdry vine]

Hi guys, i can send images here? I perform my first undervolt today and im looking for opinions

[red terrace]

gave my top 10% bin 265kf to my fiancé so i treated myself to this. hopefully it oc's better than my potato second 265kf

[fervent talon]

Yes

[tawdry vine]

Thank you

Dont judge me if i do something wrong, is my first undervolt lmao. I was reading and looking information about undervolting and get some stability on GPUs and this was my first one. Tell me if i forgot something, thanks guys! (Radeon RX 6650 XT / Ryzen 5 5600)
PD - Power Limit on 10%

Im not looking for something competitive, i only want some stability and better performance to play smoother

[uneven knot]

Set min frequency 100 less than max.

Turn off fast timing.

As you test you can keep lowering the voltage too see what gives you a better score

Do you have Expo enabled in bios?

[uneven knot]

I got it back up to 15280

[tawdry vine]

Thank you! I will try this today and let you know the new score.

[tawdry vine]

I perform a factory reset on Adrenalin to start the undervolt fresh and now on every benchmark on time spy adrenalin crash out to default setting. I do something wrong? 😅

[red terrace]

try DDU. sometimes adrenaline gets upset from too many crashes and just refuses to work right

[tawdry vine]

Thank you my friend! I do a AMD Cleanup Utility, new drivers and give me a boost on score thank you again 🙌

[red terrace]

AMD cleanup doesn't clean everything, DDU does a full wipe. but if your current setup works, i suppose you've done a fine enough job

[tawdry vine]

Yes I thought about doing the DDU right away, but I saw it was working perfectly and left it alone haha

[short blade]

is this enough to be called clock stretching?

average clock vs. average effective clock in VT3

[steady lance]

Averages should not be measured over multiple cycles because between cycles the clocks change rapidly.

[short blade]

hmm seemed consistent to me

[steady lance]

Startup VT3, reset the monitors in HWinfo and eyeball the Average Clock and Average Effective Clock whilst it is running the test cycle. If the variance is within 50mhz it's fine.

Ideally they should be the same but that's in a perfect world.

[short blade]

yeah it was always within 50mhz was just wondering if 25-30 was too much

[steady lance]

You're doing fine.

A perfectionist will say otherwise but that is fine and working. If it's over 50mhz that's when there is definitely a issue.

Even a stock CPU with no PBO enabled will have like 25mhz of variance.

[short blade]

btw, turns out a single run of cinebench 2026 is a better CO stability test than a week of aida64

lol

[steady lance]

Aida64 is only good for ST co stability.

[short blade]

I remember cinebench r23 being less of a stability test than opening firefox

[steady lance]

I usually run PI 32M as it's super light to guarantee the core can actually reach the desired clocks then run VT3 for all core test.

[short blade]

oh yeah i passed vt3 for days too

with basically no fluctuations between cycles

couldn't even pass 2 tiles of cb2026

[steady lance]

Try PI 32M I've found that to be good at detecting how the CO affects the cores.

[steady lance]

Interesting I will try this.

CB2026 in MT it ST mode?

[short blade]

cb2026 took me down from 24/32/30/30/30/30/36/36 to 6/9/25/20/15/19/19/19

MT

[steady lance]

What CPU again?

[short blade]

9800x3d

stock is 5383, this curve gets me 6009

[alpine mantle]

@short blade did a comparison run whether or not my 9070 XT benefits from a vram OC while heavily limited in power draw (-30pl / 213w)
Left: 2518mhz stock + fast timing
Right: 2734mhz + default timing

[short blade]

should be able to squeeze out another 100-150 pts if I dropped fmax to +100 and set a more aggressive curve but I'd rather keep fmax +200 cause the chip easily holds max clock in games

[short blade]

think you should do fast timing on both for an apples to apples comparison

but yeah it makes sense at 213w the core and vram might be fighting each other for power budget

[alpine mantle]

i guess so, 2734mhz + fast timing did a black screen hard crash the last time i used it when screenshotting stellar blade lol

[short blade]

💀

[alpine mantle]

I don't like changing vram clocks on this card specifically because for whatever reason it just wants to black screen

changing timings don't do that

so it gets very annoying to hard restart the computer many times

[steady lance]

Always optimize for what you use it for. You could use Curve Shaper but that things very tricky to get right.

[short blade]

I tried messing with curve shaper for a bit as far as I could tell it wasn't actually doing anything

but that was a long time ago on a much older agesa so idk

[steady lance]

I wish AMD would enable setting separate fMaxs for each CCD.

[short blade]

is there an agesa changelog for am5? could only find one for am4

agesa 1.3.0.0a finally fixed wifi/bt on my board

[steady lance]

I haven't checked in a while.

Last one I had, for the Force V2 board was improving memory support.

[short blade]

buying ryzen always feels like buying into a beta test

better than buying into intel and having your cpu self-immolate though 👍

[steady lance]

Seems the Force has had two new bios since

[dim vale]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-watches-watches-speed-gif-11188016245055018266

[steady lance]

Both are for 9950x3D2 support/optimization and reducing vulnerability with Mixed DDR mode.