overclocking

[sterile flame]

i got my hands on some samsung b die and its air cooled

[sudden torrent]

DDR5 or DDR4

[sterile flame]

ddr4

[steady lance]

Also mind if I ask which fan I should use over my ram? FK120 or X2-GP14?

[sterile flame]

Jonsbo NF1

[steady lance]

Don't have that on hand.

[sterile flame]

my bad

[sterile flame]

thought you were in the market for a new one

[sterile flame]

i got myself some ddr4 samsung b die

[steady lance]

Nah just trying to reuse what I save on hand for my ram.

Since I am running 1.6v DRAM.

[sterile flame]

whats a good voltage for 3600 cl14 on amd

[sudden torrent]

You can usually do 1.7v with a small fan blowing over it but it'll depend on the PCB and the bin whether that does anything positive

[sterile flame]

1.7v??

[sudden torrent]

1.45v or so

[sterile flame]

for 32gbs?

[sudden torrent]

With a fan yes

[sterile flame]

i heard originally 1.6

now 1.65

now 1.7

like which one?

[sudden torrent]

It depends like I said

[sterile flame]

ok

i see

i just dont want to overvolt

[sudden torrent]

For daily use I'd go no higher than 1.55v and use a fan just in case

[sudden torrent]

Is it 2 sticks or 4 to get 32gb

[sterile flame]

4

[sudden torrent]

You'll have to get pretty lucky and have a very good motherboard and memory controller to run 3600 c14 on 4 sticks

A good starting point for you would be 1.5v 3600 16-16-16-30

Try to get both SCL tertiary timings down to 2, but if you can't then 4 is acceptable.

[steady lance]

@sudden torrent Is it a bad idea to go over 1.43v on VDDIO voltage?

It seems the higher I put that voltage the higher I am able to get my ram frequency up.

[sudden torrent]

That's a matter of some debate but remember processors were literally exploding from too much

[steady lance]

That that was VSOC?

Thought*

[sudden torrent]

I managed this with 4 sticks at 1.52v, you can try to copy a few timings at a time to see if you can match it.

[sudden torrent]

That was never fully confirmed but yes in theory

[steady lance]

How high would you personally go with VDDIO?

Also, is 6400 synced better then 7000 desynced? I could probably do 7200 with more VDDIO voltage but that's be getting into the 1.5+ range.

[sudden torrent]

It depends on what you're doing. Some things prefer better latency, some things like raw speed. Same goes for games.

[steady lance]

For me I have been playing a lot of multiplayer survival simulators as of late and I will soon be getting into UE5 + Blender.

[sudden torrent]

This was an official statement from MSI

Regarding the exploding CPU issues

[steady lance]

....

So don't go over 1.4v vddio.

[kind walrus]

Yes

8000 breaches past the desync penalty

Or I should say

The half-sync penalty

Cos MCLK UCLK 2:1

[sudden torrent]

By the time you hit 8000, uclk is at 2000 again which is high enough

And a nice round number

[steady lance]

Well I don't think I will be able to do that due to VDDIO.

I don't think I wanna chug 1.6v into that...

[sudden torrent]

Not on X3D at least

[steady lance]

I think this is what killed my CPU then.... Cause I was running 1.6v VDDIO before.

My bios automatically sets VDDIO equal to DRAM.

Do you that was what did it?

[sudden torrent]

It's entirely possible

X3D is very voltage sensitive

[kind walrus]

@steady lance 32gb or 64gb

[steady lance]

Well after learning this I am setting 1.4v as my hard cap for VDDIO voltage.

[steady lance]

2x32.

[kind walrus]

You'll never beat the desync

Put those sticks on sub ambient, maybe

Not daily

[steady lance]

Gotcha. So stay synced.

Welp seems 6400mhz is my synced limit then.

Should I do secondaries or tertiaries first?

I jut set my tREFI to 65535.

[kind walrus]

Do all seconds and terts at once imo save trfc/2/pb

Ddr5 is straightforward

Then tune primaries and tcwl accordingly, then clamp down trfc

Freq first

Easiest way to do it

[steady lance]

So:

• Secondaries
• Tertiaries
• Primaries
• tRFC

In that order?

[kind walrus]

freq
Seconds and terts
Primaries and tcwl
Trfc/2/pb

[sudden torrent]

I'd do trefi and scl first (after freq) since that'll speed up your testing

[steady lance]

Just did frequency.

[steady lance]

Alright. May I ask why SCL speeds up testing?

[sudden torrent]

Buildzoid did a video on it I think

[kind walrus]

SCLs are terts and yes

You can do block sections of terts on D5, Hynix all clock very similarly

[steady lance]

Btw I am running:

• 1.6v VDD
• 1.6v VDDQ
• 1.4v VDDIO

[kind walrus]

Seconds are pretty much as straight forward

[kind walrus]

You don't need 1.6

Come back down to earth

1.45

You aren't pushing 7600+

1.6 not needed

[steady lance]

Helped with timings on my last ram overclocking session though.

[sudden torrent]

Which timings

Because primary does not matter on d5

[steady lance]

Secondaries the most, and just a little bit on my terts and primaries.

[sudden torrent]

That little bit isn't going to be worth running that high, it would help most with stabilizing maxed trefi

[kind walrus]

I'm doing 6400 on 1.41v

[sudden torrent]

6200 at 1.35v here

[kind walrus]

Specific timings you'd need to tell me which or I'll reject the notion lol

[steady lance]

Speaking of you reminded me that I can't run max tREFI stable below I think it was 1.5 something.

[kind walrus]

Don't run max

Run 64K

Max for bench, just under max for daily

Saves lost data

[sudden torrent]

I'm at 65000 but I'm also on 2x16

[steady lance]

What do you mean "saves lost data"?

tREFI is how often the ram refreshes itself right?

Does refreshing to often cause it to lose data?

[sudden torrent]

Yes and if it doesn't refresh the rows in time then it has a chance to lose the data

[kind walrus]

The further you run trefi the faster it goes yes, however it's known to refresh for data retention

You run it to max it's basically never refreshing

[steady lance]

oh so higher means less refreshes?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

It's an interval between refreshes

[steady lance]

I wish BIOs would explain what each thing does...

[sudden torrent]

That would be too simple though

[kind walrus]

If they did that then the ram page would be a wall of maths and harmonics

[sudden torrent]

They don't really want people touching this stuff or they would simplify it more

[steady lance]

Hmm fair argument.

I don't recall the exact timings but I do recall when I did the jump from 1.55 to 1.6v in the past that it dropped my secondaries by about 2-4 and my terts by around 2.

[sudden torrent]

Do you have a fan over the sticks

[steady lance]

yes.

[kind walrus]

You really don't need that much

1.6 daily is borderline degradation

[sudden torrent]

You shouldn't run that much for daily use but they're your sticks

[steady lance]

My ram usually hovers around 30-40s and peaked at about 56c if I recall after a 8hr session of TM5 with pcbdestroyer.

This is on my previous ram oc.

[kind walrus]

1.6v I'd expect for like

6400 c28

[steady lance]

My ram is able to do that.

[kind walrus]

Which is mostly pointless

[steady lance]

I did 6400c28 on it before when I did primaries first.

When I did terts first it went to 6400c30.

[sudden torrent]

Funnily enough I've seen 6000c28 perform worse than c32

[kind walrus]

You get a slight advantage in tcwl, trfc, primaries, over just running a wider 6400 at low voltage

[kind walrus]

And yes your imc can struggle if it's a little too unstable

[steady lance]

The concern with 1.6v is degration right?

[sudden torrent]

https://youtu.be/pgb8N23tsfA?si=ddm48txsjmsd8rcD

[steady lance]

Is there another reason? I am not against going lower just curious.

[sudden torrent]

Now that the PMIC is on the sticks the only thing VDD can kill is the stick itself

[steady lance]

frying a $800 cpu scares the 💩 out of me, but I don't mind replacing a $150 kit of ram every 3-4 years.

[kind walrus]

Mainly

[sudden torrent]

It wouldn't last 3 years is my guess

Maybe 2

[kind walrus]

Also this

It's a combination

Between excessive effort and potential risk

[steady lance]

How long do you think it will last at 1.5v?

[kind walrus]

Indefinitely

[sudden torrent]

That's within DDR5 spec

So yes indef

[steady lance]

Oh okay.

Guess I will try 1.5v and see if it keeps my max tREFI stable.

Any good test for tREFI?

or just run PCBdestroyer.

[sudden torrent]

Idle is the best trefi test

[kind walrus]

Drop trefi to 64K

[sudden torrent]

Yeah it's not that much difference between max and 64k

[kind walrus]

Go find a ddr5 tune with tight tertieries

Search hwbot

Copy it

Copy all terts

Test

Make sure tcwl is tcl -2

[sudden torrent]

ycruncher ambient 2x32 subs should be simple enough to find

[kind walrus]

AM5 ram OC can get done in a day, it doesn't need extreme attention

You're not doing 8000 desync or playing with any lga1700

[sudden torrent]

I mostly copied the buildzoid easy timings, set 6200 synced, fclk 2133, and called it a day

[kind walrus]

Synced is almost literally extremely stable/slightly unstable/completely unbootable

There's no middle ground

[steady lance]

Not sure if it's because 2x32 but last time I tried to copy almost nothing matched....

So I had to do each one by hand.

[sudden torrent]

The easy timings? Or what are you copying?

[kind walrus]

What are you copying lol

[steady lance]

Terts and Secondaries was a hellish nightmare.

[sudden torrent]

Because the BZ easy timings are made for 2x16

[kind walrus]

I used BZ easy timings for 2x32

They work

[steady lance]

it was 2x16 Hynix A overclocks.

[sudden torrent]

Yeah but you need to be luckier

[kind walrus]

6400 worked

Lol

[sudden torrent]

You got very lucky then

[kind walrus]

Nuh uh

My fclk poop

[sudden torrent]

I couldn't even boot 6600 desync or 6400 sync

[steady lance]

fclk is determined by ram or cpu?

[kind walrus]

Cpu

[steady lance]

Ahh I might try FCLK later again.

[sudden torrent]

fclk is the speed the cores talk to each other

[steady lance]

Cause my last one was meh.

[sudden torrent]

2100 is usually easy enough on fclk

[kind walrus]

IF is determined by two PLL's on the cpu io die, and is independent of the memory controller itself

[sudden torrent]

Make sure you're testing every step to watch for performance loss

[kind walrus]

The mem controller talks to the ioIF and draws bandwidth through it via the uclk

I guess the u is uplink?

Into the memory controller (MCLK)

[steady lance]

Well I guess I am gonna start tightening some timings.

Start with SCL you said, @sudden torrent?

[sudden torrent]

yes

[steady lance]

and Bacca, you said tcwl should be tcl -2 right?

[sudden torrent]

You mean felix right lol

[steady lance]

Oh.

My bad.

I assumed Bacca because of the frog pfp.

[sudden torrent]

We've had a froge invasion lately

[steady lance]

but yeah I will brb.

[kind walrus]

See this

I'm literally saying do this

Fclk auto, uclk mclk auto

Tcwl = tcl -2

[sudden torrent]

I usually specify uclk=mclk because some boards (like mine) will auto to 2:1 above 6000

[kind walrus]

Odds are this works at 6400

Sure, we could clamp manual imc

But it should still work

I'm like 80% confident

Work backwards not forwards

[steady lance]

So I am back with SCL R/W at 7.

also 1.5v

VDD/VDDQ

[kind walrus]

The only thing you'll need to check is the DD's

Those are for dual rank double density

[steady lance]

...... that in particular I recall being hell.

I fiddled with that for like 3 days.

[kind walrus]

Well lucky for you I have numbers

[steady lance]

Just occurred to me.

Most of my old timings should work here shouldn't they?

[kind walrus]

Idk

Probably

I'm saying take inspiration from someone else for terts and seconds then work your primaries down

You should get something very quick at 6400

And should only take a day or two

[steady lance]

Will do.

Oh wait, SCL can be different for R/W?

I was told they should be equal.

[steady lance]

I noticed in the it's 4 and 2.

[kind walrus]

If you're going for stable do equal

Write should always be shorter than read though for banks

Have some inspiration

[steady lance]

Thanks.

[kind walrus]

Your trfc should be shorter as it's A die not M

Aim for like 500 450 400

[steady lance]

So less is better?

[kind walrus]

1.45-1.5V vdd

yes

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

[kind walrus]

Just copy like

[steady lance]

What does VDDP do?

[kind walrus]

90% of that

[steady lance]

Copy then if I am up for it try to tighten right?

[kind walrus]

Yes

What I have there is VERY universal

[sudden torrent]

Don't touch that, it's a quick way to make everything unstable unless you're doing XOC

It's an input voltage

[steady lance]

Understood.

[kind walrus]

But notice in the first screenshots

here

[sudden torrent]

Wait I was thinking VPP

[kind walrus]

He's using 1.25 vdd

Not 1.6

For 6200 CL26

You really don't need a lot

In fact

Too much can cause negative scaling

[steady lance]

Sounds like my Hynix A is being limited by my CPU I am assuming?

[kind walrus]

No I think something else would be fundamentally wrong if you absolutely need 1.6v

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

[kind walrus]

No one else I'm aware of needs this much voltage

You should try much less voltage

[steady lance]

I don't recall the reddit post but I saw someone who said they dailied 1.7v on 2x16 Hynix A die for a year without degration.

[kind walrus]

I've met others who've done that and did degrade

Sounds like what people used to say about AM4 vSOC

"Oh 1.25v is fine"

[sudden torrent]

I would trust a rando on reddit as far as I can throw them, and since they're anon you can't

[kind walrus]

6 months later

"My board and cpu fried"

[steady lance]

the person was using a intel 13th I7 or I9 I forget and was running around 7.600mhz or so and very tight timings.

[sudden torrent]

That changes nothing

[kind walrus]

Doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me when two of the best overclockers I know say don't do it

[sudden torrent]

I doubt it was even fully stable at 7600 to begin with

[steady lance]

Fair. Was just pointing out what the reddit post was.

[kind walrus]

The hell unearthed that was first gen ddr5 boards

I miss none of it

[steady lance]

Well I am a try SCL 5 now cause I know 4 isn't gonna work.

[kind walrus]

Do 4 4

or 4 3

[steady lance]

Doubt it's going to work now but I guess it's worth a shot.

[sudden torrent]

Top ycruncher 10b score for a 7950X3D is using 1.43v

https://hwbot.org/image/3078759.jpg

[kind walrus]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/low-effort-rank-77403831

There's a reason why BZ made this post

It quite literally works on almost all hynix configs

SCLs at 4 are the safest fast

Going lower is going below known guaranteed safe lol

[sudden torrent]

You'll note a LOT of similarities between that sub and the easy timings too, like the primaries are not tight at all

[kind walrus]

Yes

Because DDR5 is just like this

Seconds and Terts you can dial in almost the same way every single time

Then you play the puzzle with the last few and clamp it to a preferred voltage

When me and ggood were doing this for months on the UX I changed my tertiaries maybe a handful of times over 3 months

Versus the thousands of changes to everything else

It's just expected to start your DDR5 tuning this way

It just works

Otherwise you'll be at this for a looonnngggg time...lol

[kind walrus]

The similarities between BZ's easy timings and what I have to this is almost uncanny

It's almost like they started with the template, shortened a few, expanded a few others in blocks, went for 6800 synced, called it a day

Lol

[sudden torrent]

Desync but yeh

[kind walrus]

Also 64gb 3400 desync 6800?

💀

[sudden torrent]

ycruncher prefers raw speed

[celest notch]

Felix what's an Intel PC stick

Rommy*

[kind walrus]

I will get banned for what I want to say

I abstain

[celest notch]

Someone said they wanted one in the intel server

[sudden torrent]

Do you mean https://www.amazon.com/ALADAWN-Compute-Windows-Support-Bluetooth/dp/B0BHW85ZJJ?th=1

[celest notch]

I was wondering if you could enlighten me

[kind walrus]

Oh I know what it is

Yeah it's that atom usb

I was thinking like

...

[celest notch]

Okay, I was thinking the right thing

[kind walrus]

I was way off

[kind walrus]

You should buy one then fill it with a red stick virus then send it to that person free

[sudden torrent]

It's good for plugging into a dumb tv to make a smart tv+

That's about the only use case I can think of, maybe as a basic workstation plugged into a monitor with USB PD.

[celest notch]

Atomussy USBussy

Anyway

[kind walrus]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

Omg

someone on etsy made a new intel sticker

https://i.etsystatic.com/45836510/r/il/2d2d72/5298667882/il_1588xN.5298667882_4d8o.jpg

https://i.etsystatic.com/45836510/r/il/6b956c/5346839069/il_1588xN.5346839069_6y2j.jpg

[celest notch]

"In hell" would be acceptable too

[steady lance]

I am experiencing hell so far to get SCL even 5 to work.

I tried 4, CMOS refused to clear tried 5, tried 6, and just decided to do a full clear to see if I could even still boot in

[sudden torrent]

Is that with expo on and everything else on auto after a cmos clear

[steady lance]

That's with the XMP profile on and everything set on auto except tREFI and SCL.

gonna reboot into windows at 6400mhz and start from the start

[sudden torrent]

Hopefully that isn't an omen for your IMC quality

[steady lance]

I found the issue.

@sudden torrent I forgot about this issue with the X670-P's bios.

If I boot up a profile after clearing CMOS I need to manually re-enable high voltage mode otherwise it only gives my ram like 1.2v to work with.

Currently at SCL 6. gonna try 5 now.

Alright I give up on 4.

I got 5 to boot.

In my previous OC when I was doing 1.6v VDD/VDDQ/VDDIO I got it to work at SCL 2.

running pcbdestroyer while I am gone

[sterile flame]

my chip only does 3733

not 3800

damn

[sudden torrent]

Ryzen 3000 or 5000 I'm guessing

3800 can be tricky depending on a few factors

Especially if you happen to run 4 sticks

[sterile flame]

yup 3733 no work

[sterile flame]

i do

[sudden torrent]

Best I could do with 4 sticks on my 5800X was 3600

[sterile flame]

dang

we have almost the same cpu

[sterile flame]

finally i can relate to someone

everyone was telling me "oh 3600 weak af dumbo"

i was trying 3666 3733 3800 and 3866

neither worked

1t 1.5t 2t

[sudden torrent]

They don't know what they're talking about, I was setting records for ambient temps at 3600

[sterile flame]

prob cause dual rank

i got 4 sticks b die

[sudden torrent]

Yeah I do too, a mixed set at that

[sterile flame]

wait i dont get this

you did this with GDM DISABLED?

[sudden torrent]

Yep

[sterile flame]

impossible

[sudden torrent]

If you can't get the clocks might as well go for GDM off

https://hwbot.org/submission/5179919_falcie_7_zip_ryzen_7_5800x_111188_mips

[sterile flame]

i remember having a cpu previously

which would error my ram at 3200mhz

with gdm on

[sterile flame]

thats your pc?

[sudden torrent]

When I had the 5800X, rest in pieces

[sterile flame]

what happened

[sudden torrent]

MSI borked my BIOS update and it shoved over 1.4v into the cores under load

[sterile flame]

recently?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah a few months ago

[sterile flame]

cause

my 5700x died on me out of nowhere

after not using my pc for 2 weeks

i was on latest bios

it happened about 3 weeks ago

luckily rma team was helpful

[sudden torrent]

I was just a week outside my warranty and they flat out refused to do anything

[sterile flame]

oh dang

now you have a 7900x3d

according to your bio

[sudden torrent]

Yes I'm one of a whole 12 people that runs it for daily use

[sterile flame]

cool

but also one question

how do people get gdm off working

[sudden torrent]

A combination of luck and just the right voltage/impedance

[sterile flame]

cause i saw you play with addrcmd

and drive strengths

and odt

how do people play around

like do they just enter random numbers

[sudden torrent]

Generally the rule is higher values can help with extreme settings but also increases the memory controller load

[sterile flame]

so basically just run max safe for all

[sudden torrent]

No because that can reduce your potential max/min on your timings

It's a balancing act and every CPU is different

[sterile flame]

did you ever get that 3600mhz 100% stable

or was it just usability stable

[sudden torrent]

I got pretty lucky all things considered, some people can't do 3600 without procodt at 60 ohms

It was stable enough for me to run stress tests and benchmarks, maybe one blue screen a month when gaming

[sterile flame]

that means instability though

[sudden torrent]

Correct

[sterile flame]

cause i looking for good stability

as in no blue screens

[sudden torrent]

But it was stable enough for my needs

[sterile flame]

no wheas

like it should be guaranteed stable

as in i put my pc in sleep mode at night and i dont open event viewer and see a bsod

or my windows reset

[sudden torrent]

If you need it that stable then you shouldn't even run xmp and leave it at jedec

[sterile flame]

wait what

[sudden torrent]

Every timing you tweak is a potential error in the long run

[sterile flame]

no but like isnt it possible to stress test every timing

[sudden torrent]

No

You can have a system that passes every benchmark and test and then crashes at idle

[sterile flame]

so basically you gotta pray your pc is stable if its OC

[sudden torrent]

Basically yes. You can root out common errors but there could be that one weird case where it runs a refresh cycle then a CAS write x4 into a read and suddenly it hates you

[sterile flame]

at this point i considering just jumping on the bandwagon

https://www.microcenter.com/product/677153/intel-core-i5-12600kf-alder-lake-37ghz-ten-core-lga-1700-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included#tab-reviews-bm and https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09JM7GDVT?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

should i make the jump to intel

[sudden torrent]

Intel isn't any more stable

Especially 12th gen

[sterile flame]

thats with the 13th gen cpus

thats what i heard on the news

[sudden torrent]

12th gen IMC sucks for both DDR4 and DDR5.
High end 13th/14th gen are sometimes unstable out of the box with a CMOS clear.

Literally the 12th gen DDR4 IMC is worse than 11th gen

[sterile flame]

so basically i the customer cannot win

[sudden torrent]

Not if you want to push things past their original limits

[sterile flame]

thats what i referring to

[sudden torrent]

There's always going to be something

[sterile flame]

i wanna push past limits

i heard there was instability problems on lga 1700 at stock

cause "mobo manufacter profile"

[sudden torrent]

That's mainly problems for the 13900K/S, 14700K, and 14900K/S

[sterile flame]

so basically if i get a 14600k i am in the clear

[sudden torrent]

They crash out of the box trying to load some games because the shader compile hits all the cores

[kind walrus]

Fclk hole

[sudden torrent]

Don't get a 14600k it's just a 13600k + 100MHz

[sterile flame]

yea

[sterile flame]

true

but they discontinued the 13600k

so its no longer available

[kind walrus]

Not true, 3600 barely slower

Stable >>>>> highest funny number

[sudden torrent]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LfNxFT/intel-core-i5-13600k-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071513600k

[kind walrus]

Yes this would be why if it's 64gb

[sudden torrent]

32gb

[sterile flame]

i got a total of 32gb ram

[sterile flame]

i heard they discontinued the 13600k due to it potentially being victim

[sudden torrent]

They discontinued production of it but they can't pull it off the shelf

[kind walrus]

My 5900X does 3666 on 4x16gb b die and 3866 on 4x8

[sterile flame]

with proper stability?

[kind walrus]

Part of it is also the imc luck

Yes

[sterile flame]

makes sense, $289 for a 14600k is ripoff

[kind walrus]

I've used that system since day 1 with overclocking

[sterile flame]

any bsod

[kind walrus]

It's stable

[sterile flame]

any crashes

l;ike 100% stability

[kind walrus]

Like, once 3 months ago

And I never could label it to ram either

[sterile flame]

what was the crash error

[kind walrus]

Radeon graphics driver 💀

[sudden torrent]

So basically it could be anything

[kind walrus]

@sudden torrent you remember my 6900xt going mad right

[sudden torrent]

Yep lol

[kind walrus]

That was then

I changed the whole system

[sterile flame]

amd has some instability on gpu side

[kind walrus]

Replaced everything

[sterile flame]

in the old days

[kind walrus]

Put everything back

Problem gone

[sterile flame]

coming from a 6800 owner

[kind walrus]

Like nothing happened

[sterile flame]

last questio

is pbo worth it

[kind walrus]

Meh

[sterile flame]

i currently do pbo motherboard limits, +200 frequency, zero curve optimizer, 95 degree temperature lim it

[sudden torrent]

Define worth it

[kind walrus]

You might get 1 or 2%

[sterile flame]

i call it lazy pbo

[sudden torrent]

I'd say personally it's worth a couple minutes of time

[kind walrus]

Curve optimiser might give you more

Stability pending

[sterile flame]

curve optimizer is NEVER stable

NEVER EVER stable

[kind walrus]

Define never

[sterile flame]

i put -10 all core

it was unstable

[kind walrus]

Some chips have cores that want no undervolt

[sterile flame]

i put 0 all core it was unstable

[kind walrus]

LOL

[sterile flame]

i even did positive

it was still unstable

undervolt = stupid

i have a MATX pc not an ITX

[kind walrus]

I have 1 core that wants 0 undervolt

But I have another 11 that want a range between 5 and 30

The one wanting 0 is my best cppc core

[sterile flame]

right now a z690m phantom gaming 4 is $99.99

really am considering jumping to train intel

i have some b die ram

[kind walrus]

13th and 14th btw

[sudden torrent]

DDR4 on LGA1700 cuts your performance by 15%

Any one of the CPUs with e-cores

[sterile flame]

even b die?

[kind walrus]

You need to obey intel power spec with manual bios limits to eliminate the 13th and 14th degradation

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[sterile flame]

Cmon

[kind walrus]

Even b die

[sterile flame]

looks like i stuck on 5700x

and 6800

and 32gb b die

[kind walrus]

That's a good combo

[sterile flame]

it is

ive had my pc since 2020

and have been upgrading

i got my mobo a week after b550 launch

[sudden torrent]

Your PBO problems sound like your 5700X is a down binned 5800X that couldn't hold the clocks at acceptable voltage

[kind walrus]

The imc possibly too

[sterile flame]

to be fair i only paid like $140 for my 5700x

[kind walrus]

3600 is fine tho

[sterile flame]

new on thanksgiving

[kind walrus]

Just run 3600 tighter than 3800 can go

You make all the loss back

Well, more or less

But it's virtually similar

[sterile flame]

i only shop during discount season

[sudden torrent]

If you're having problems you can set PBO on +100 motherboard limits and call it done. That way you still get the increased power budget so it holds clocks better.

[sterile flame]

pbo has no problems

unless i enable curve optimizer

[kind walrus]

You must have a core that is barely meeting spec then

1 core is all it takes

BOOM bsod

"Watchdog_timeout"

[sterile flame]

also feetlicks

[kind walrus]

Hi

[sterile flame]

can i guarantee stability on a ram oc

after testing

[kind walrus]

Not completely

But to an acceptable degree yes absolutely

[sterile flame]

at what point can you say "yeah i can guarantee this is stable with zero bsod" and "No more work needed just rest and relax'

[kind walrus]

After at least a day of tests

Good tests

[sterile flame]

karhu for 10 hours?

[kind walrus]

Sure

[sudden torrent]

If you need it 100% stable you need at least 3 days of testing

[kind walrus]

Karhu ycruncher

Vst vt3

Memtestvulkan

[sudden torrent]

1 day is good enough for most

[kind walrus]

Tse gt2

Superposition

[sterile flame]

i cannot afford for my files to keep getting corrupted

[kind walrus]

Occt small cycle 18

P95 (intel) small avx2

Tm5 anta777

[sudden torrent]

Shout out to Intel CPUs for having a random error once after a week of testing

[kind walrus]

Pcbdestroyer

I have a whole range of tests

For am5 I also added mlc gui

[sterile flame]

also this aint oc related but

should i replace my corsair cx650

for a 750-850w psu

[kind walrus]

You can use iirc 3dmark11 for fclk instead of mlc gui

[kind walrus]

Is it giving problems

[sterile flame]

no

[kind walrus]

Then no

[sterile flame]

will any gpu bottleneck my 5700x

[kind walrus]

Yes

[sterile flame]

anything above what

[kind walrus]

Define bottleneck

[sudden torrent]

Depends on the resolution you play at mostly

[sterile flame]

2560x1440

and bottleneck as in cpu is not allowing for gpu to use full effort

[kind walrus]

I would stop at about 2x8 3090 or 3080ti

Or 6900xt

For 5700x

[sudden torrent]

You should be good for everything up to a 4070 ti super I'd say for most games.
A 4080 or 4090 would bottleneck.

[kind walrus]

Beyond that you would in a number of situations bottleneck, if not already

And of varying degrees

Bottleneck is a buzzword

[sterile flame]

i mean it isnt a buzzword per say

[kind walrus]

It's not the best descriptor for a general term

[sudden torrent]

There's a very strong level of "it depends" with bottlenecks

[kind walrus]

You have a wide range of games that are cpu bound or gpu bound

Or even cache or ram bound

[sterile flame]

does it make sense for me to upgrade my power supply to 750w for future proofing in case i want a better gpu

[kind walrus]

Generally speaking however, I'd say 3080ti/90/6900xt

[sterile flame]

even if my 650w is still working

[kind walrus]

No

[sudden torrent]

Upgrade the PSU when you upgrade the GPU to something that needs it upgraded

[kind walrus]

If you intend to upgrade the gpu, upgrade the psu then

[sterile flame]

cause rn i found a good deal on a 750w

$59

[kind walrus]

What kind

[sterile flame]

montech

[kind walrus]

Full name

[sterile flame]

gamma ii

[kind walrus]

Don't

[sudden torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-definitely-not-gif-10506241

[sterile flame]

ok

[kind walrus]

Anything you can't verify is good with a resource with a psu, is a hard avoid

Best cheapest I know of rn is the focus gx

It's been hovering around 90$ for 750w

[sterile flame]

what about gf1

or mwe v2

[kind walrus]

What year

[sterile flame]

for gf1? current

[kind walrus]

Pass

Older was better

[sterile flame]

wait really

[kind walrus]

Mhm

They went cheaper oem this year

[sudden torrent]

They changed the design completely and kept the same model name for some reason

[kind walrus]

Bronze apaacg and iirc gold are both decent

[sterile flame]

alr

thanks so much

you guys saved me so much $$$

[kind walrus]

Would I pair that with a 4080 tho, prolly not

[sterile flame]

i can now spend this saved money on good indian food

[kind walrus]

But it's ok

[sterile flame]

or some mexican food

or sushi

[kind walrus]

Those are good ideas

We don't need a fortune on pc's spent

Use it for stuff that matters

[sterile flame]

i be seeing people with 14900ks and 4090

just for them to watch facebooks

[kind walrus]

And upgrade when you can see you need it

[sterile flame]

thats what i did

i started with an r3 3100

now i have r7 5700x

i started at 16gb 3000mhz and now i have 32gb 4000mhz

[kind walrus]

Most people that buy that stuff buy it to mess with or work

Very few game

Those that do often get problems as first adopters

[kind walrus]

A good step up tbh

4000mhz?

Were these vipers?

What was the sku I can barely remember

4000 cl19

I think

[sterile flame]

true

[kind walrus]

4000 B die skus were often vipers and not very good ones

[sterile flame]

4000mhz cl16

vipers

16-16-16

[kind walrus]

Ah cl16 was better

That's a good kit

[sterile flame]

i started at an rx 570

then got a 2060 and returned it after a day for a 6600

then eventually i switched to 6800

[sudden torrent]

Nice upgrade paths

[kind walrus]

🔥

Team red man

[sterile flame]

i am a huge value shopper

[kind walrus]

I agree with that philosophy

[sterile flame]

remember how people say you can rip the cpu while taking off the cooler

[kind walrus]

Yes

It happens to me still

[sterile flame]

https://gelidsolutions.com/product/cpu-protection-bracket/ i got myself the solution about multiple months ago

it was like $2

[kind walrus]

[sterile flame]

i mean it

[kind walrus]

That's actually a fantastic solution

[sterile flame]

got it from thermalright aliexpress shop

[kind walrus]

@sudden torrent can we pin that link in #building-and-recc-chat

[kind walrus]

Typical thermalright chads

[sterile flame]

dont

cause you know why?

[kind walrus]

Why not?

[sterile flame]

https://gelidsolutions.com/product/am4-cpu-protection-bracket-bundle/

[kind walrus]

Gelid is alr

[sterile flame]

same thing half off

with thermal paste

included

from the same store

[kind walrus]

Whoa

[sterile flame]

thats why

[kind walrus]

Ok fair enough

Pin that instead

That's an excellent suggestion. I might buy one

[sterile flame]

i was hearing so many stories about am4 cpus getting damaged and i was like hell nah

so i saw this, i only bought it because it looked like a contact frame

and $2 wont kill me

[kind walrus]

Works well? Looks like a butterfly frame

[sterile flame]

thermalright has another one

but its a tad bit more expensive

[kind walrus]

I'll keep them in mind

Excellent suggestion

[sterile flame]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805181985999.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.11.414bxeHAxeHA73&algo_pvid=8de00a6f-69eb-4ebb-81a0-0ea8ee1ede0e&algo_exp_id=8de00a6f-69eb-4ebb-81a0-0ea8ee1ede0e-5&pdp_npi=4%40dis!USD!11.11!7.78!!!11.11!7.78!%402101c5a717169480156977704e41d1!12000032765926706!sea!US!0!AB&curPageLogUid=29YjcwUz9AQx&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A

this is the official thermalright one

[kind walrus]

Ah ok I know what it looks like

I'll look out for that on amazon

[sterile flame]

its not on amazon

and also, the other protector can be found as low as $0.99 free shipping as a welcome deal on ali https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802747071001.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller.1.18bcmhpDmhpDtj&gps-id=pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.354490.0&scm_id=1007.40050.354490.0&scm-url=1007.40050.354490.0&pvid=37e62fc8-c2f8-4cf2-811a-0c52f52b0bc3&_t=gps-id:pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.354490.0,pvid:37e62fc8-c2f8-4cf2-811a-0c52f52b0bc3,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238114%231999&pdp_npi=4%40dis!USD!5.06!0.99!!!36.56!7.17!%402103146f17169480212714775e8784!12000022863633646!rec!US!!AB&utparam-url=scene%3ApcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller|query_from%3A

[kind walrus]

Have to go via aliexpress? Damn

[sterile flame]

i telling you

i all about preservation

and value

[kind walrus]

Ah yeah I can't see it anywhere there

Damn

Hopefully I manage to get some people to buy it

[sterile flame]

anyway i gotta do homework

again thanks so much for help

see you all later... or not

[kind walrus]

No worries

[steady lance]

Just got back home.

So my ram passed at SCL 5, tREFI max, 6400mhz with no errors in PCBdestroyer.

Also, temps peaked at 54c but averaged about 40c.

[modern walrus]

ah heck. I can't even get 6400 to POST if it makes you feel any better

[steady lance]

Unfortunately I found out it was 6800 desync.

[steady lance]

I am running 6400 sync currently. Would need like 1.5-1.6 volts on VDDIO to do 6600 but I don't wanna risk that.

[modern walrus]

ya that does sound pretty spicy lol

[steady lance]

1.4v is the most I am willing to put into vddio after Fal showed me a post from MSI.

[steady lance]

@modern walrus, how much VDDIO voltage are you using for your overclock?

[steady lance]

I am noticing minor artifacting.

Could that be the result of SCL being to low or tREFI being to high?

[sudden torrent]

Doing what

[steady lance]

Browsing chrome.

Only in chrome though

And usually when switching tabs

[sudden torrent]

Turn off hardware acceleration so it's only rendering on CPU

[steady lance]

@sudden torrent is this it? I can't find anything called Hardware Acceleration.

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[steady lance]

Aight.

Hopefully that fixes it.

[steady lance]

Did you do ram yet? I forgot.

[sudden torrent]

That looks pretty tuned to me

[modern walrus]

lol ya

6400 won't cooperate so I settled

didn't wanna reinstall windows again

[steady lance]

So what exactly does VDDIO affect? I can't seem to find any good answers.

[modern walrus]

it seemed to affect how high I could get frequency to run

er at the very least, I needed to raise it to run higher frequency with MCLK:UCLK 1:1

[steady lance]

I see.

Wondering why you didn't try running higher VDDIO then? 1.3v seems low.

[modern walrus]

iirc even 1.4 wouldn't POST 6400

& I have no idea what's considered high or too high to run for daily honestly

[steady lance]

Ouch. Well according to a post from MSI that Fal showed me the X3D cpus should not go above 1.4 as it was found that if VDDIO and VSOC were to high at the same time that it might of been the cause of the chips dying.

[sudden torrent]

MSI blamed VDDIO as one of the voltages that caused the blowups when it's above 1.4v yeah

Especially on X3D you don't want anything that high

[steady lance]

Oh no... I am concerned. PC just restarted on it's own.

Tuned the ram back to XMP with DRAM at 1.4v and disabled PBO.

[sudden torrent]

Sudden restart, no blue screen?

That's often CO related

You would typically do memory overclocking before CPU undervolting

[steady lance]

Yeah just ahppened to me again and I found out I accidentally left PBO on advanced.

Switched it back to just enabled.

Is there a way to check if PBO is disabled from within windows?

I feel like my Bios is acting weird.

[sudden torrent]

Ryzen Master will tell you

[steady lance]

I keep getting this error:

Ryzen Master failed to initialize. Kindly reinstall the program.

[sudden torrent]

So reinstall it?

[steady lance]

I tried

Multiple times

[sudden torrent]

Chipset installed?

[steady lance]

I believe so. How can I double check?

[steady lance]

Crashed again. Decided to just clear CMOS to restore to defaults

then enabled XMP

[steady lance]

Well since clearing cmos so far no crashes.

[fervent talon]

@steady lance anymore crashes

[steady lance]

Since clearing cmos thankfully no.

I have XMP enabled still so it was 100% something to do with a unstable co.

For when I OC again I am debating if I wanna keep boost clock at 5.7ghz and just optimize for hitting that frequency more often.

[jovial bluff]

do i overclock my 7900xtx

[kind walrus]

That depends. Have you had no issues

[jovial bluff]

Nope no issues

300 fps on rebirth in cod

[jovial bluff]

smoothness ithink is going away though or its just bc im used to it being smooth that it doesnt feel smooth lol

[kind walrus]

@jovial bluff So weird side step here

We spent months trying to help you

You sold the pc

Bought effectively the same one new

Never had a problem ever again

?

💀

[jovial bluff]

correct

LOL

so far no problems

BTW

[jovial bluff]

do u know what stuff to turn off on amd ardrelain software

[kind walrus]

Turn on anti lag

Turn off radeon overlay

That's the bare minimum and I keep to that as much as possible. Really keeps stability strong

For the same reason I'd say maybe steer clear a bit of overclocking the XTX

Fun for big numbers, not really the best for daily

[jovial bluff]

gotcha

[jovial bluff]

what about smart memmory

[kind walrus]

Yea it can help a little

Up to you tho

It's called "Resizable bar" or "Above 4G decoding" in bios

Sometimes SAM

[jovial bluff]

this thing

btw i enabled dgpu and turned off igpu

[kind walrus]

Yeah that's fine

[jovial bluff]

so liek side note

[kind walrus]

iGPU on only makes sense if you want a second screen or be able to diagnose problems

[jovial bluff]

idk why i bought this pc ngl lol i barely game..

but when id dint have a pc i was bored

LOL

[kind walrus]

Lol is how it is

Once you have it, you lose the motivation

[jovial bluff]

yepp ngl i already posted it for sale lol-

[kind walrus]

Lol

Well you got it out of your system at least

Maybe next you just stick to a console lol

[jovial bluff]

prolly wont sell it tbh i just got bored and posted it

not really alot of games that are fun to play

[kind walrus]

So true

[robust sleet]

my overclock is like 2-3 years old now, should i redo it? and should i also undervolt my gpu while im at it

[kind walrus]

Did you think it could go faster back then?

If the answer is anything but yes, I wouldn't

[robust sleet]

no clue

i didnt have an idea what i was doing back then

and i feel like its running pretty hot

[robust sleet]

dont think itd be faster but i do feel like i can get it cooler

[kind walrus]

Well

You could investigate a little bit

You might find something

[robust sleet]

should prolly watch a video or two before cuz i havent done it in a hot minute

then again it is pmuch stable rn

[kind walrus]

If you're not having stability issues

And the work you did to it was safe limits

Then I don't see an issue tbh

But you can have a look around and see

[robust sleet]

yeah fair

and for undervolting anything special for ampere gpu's?

[kind walrus]

It reaches peak perf for the voltage it supplies

But that's all it does

How good it is depends on how stable

[jovial bluff]

welp the issues are back lmfao

[kind walrus]

What did you change

[jovial bluff]

nothing

[kind walrus]

So what happened in the last 24 hours then

Like, what did you do on the pc between when we last talked and now

[jovial bluff]

legit nothing

but i think its my ram bc its at 6400

[kind walrus]

Set it to 6000 then and set your fclk to 2000

[ruby matrix]

Help me to get a gf

[tall pelican]

make it to gskill world comp, and hit up a show girl

[steady lance]

What's been happening?

Anything interesting lately?

[steady lance]

What Fitz said.

[signal belfry]

Step one: figure out what u have to offer, Step two: don’t take gf advice from discord

[tall pelican]

Step 3: realize that a relationship isn't about "what you have to offer", but what you appreciate in the other person

[sudden torrent]

It's also not any one thing in particular that you can enumerate to a list

[dull ginkgo]

alternatively,
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MPG-Power-Supply-PSU/dp/B08PDZ5ZLT/

[vale nymph]

Bros tryna overclock his relationship status

[alpine mantle]

😂

[tardy moss]

no way bros relationship is rated by 80 plus

[dull ginkgo]

My relationship with my PSU is just that good

[kind walrus]

Don't talk to me unless ur 80+ or talk to the hand

https://tenor.com/view/not-talking-to-you-talk-to-the-hand-shut-up-stop-it-gif-7891807

[cerulean moon]

need help on a small boost

as far as i've understand CPU overclocking there's temps, frequency, and voltage that I have to deal with

i tried looking up a few videos on the software but it seems like it's very different compared to mine; and my thought is perhaps it's because of my APU

[signal belfry]

Your voltage is a little high if it’s at 1.45 @cerulean moon

[cerulean moon]

everything is default btw

[signal belfry]

Should be fine then since it’s idle

But for an oc on Ryzen 2nd gen

There’s an auto one amd has and it’s better than a manual oc

I’ll try to look for what it’s called

Pbo - precision boost overdrive

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-overclock/#:~:text=To enabled automatic overclocking in,the Max CPU boost clock.&text=To enable auto-overclocking in,advanced settings in the app.

[cerulean moon]

exactly what i'm trying to find but there's none for some reason

[modern walrus]

LLC is another consideration btw

("Load Line Calibration")

[cerulean moon]

thank you

[modern walrus]

default LLC will drop voltage considerably under load

[cerulean moon]

uh what am i supposed to do

[modern walrus]

you're doing OC in Ryzen Master or BIOS also?

tbh I've never OCed 2600G. I've done 5600G but that was similar to Zen 3

[cerulean moon]

i prefer not going into bios but as long as i know what to do there i don't mind

[modern walrus]

if you're on stock LLC, for example, setting voltage at like 1.4 might drop to something like 1.3 under load but if you set LLC higher, it might only drop to 1.35 under load

unless you're doing like LN2 tho, you never want LLC to be set such that it doesn't drop under load

so usually something in the middle is better

because that allows you to keep your set vCore at a reasonable voltage while still having enough voltage under load

[cerulean moon]

i don't seem to see anything resembling what you mean in ryzen master

[modern walrus]

in BIOS it's called like DigitALL power settings or something like that

[cerulean moon]

i'll take a bath and boot into bios, see if there is

[modern walrus]

can't remember exactly offhand

[cerulean moon]

alright i'll check a few and send pictures

[modern walrus]

okay sounds good

[sudden torrent]

PBO didn't exist on the 2400G, it's Zen classic, not even Zen+.
Best results will be from a static all core overclock.

For example, I was able to overclock my 2700 to an all core frequency above the stock boost max at 1.4v, which is safe on those older nodes (14nm).

[cerulean moon]

ah no wonder

thanks for that

[cerulean moon]

i see it

I've researched safe OC is around 3.8GHz

stock heatsink btw

will buy a tower air cooler along with the cpu upgrade

or an aio idk

[sudden torrent]

A tower cooler would be plenty

AIO is really only needed on the Ryzen 9 parts, "needed" being used loosely

[cerulean moon]

thank you

removes my beginner incentive on needing this or that

[cerulean moon]

recommendations?

[sudden torrent]

US?

[cerulean moon]

thinking of the cooler master 512 i keep seeing on pppicker

[cerulean moon]

SEA

I've seen that one tower cooler brand that wasn't super known but they also make thermal paste iirc

thermalite i think?

[sudden torrent]

Thermalright

They're good

[cerulean moon]

any other recos?

it's around 20-40 where i live the thermalright

one is considerably more expensive though not sure why, perhaps fans were included

[sudden torrent]

ID-Cooling SE 214 would be another to consider

[cerulean moon]

I'll look through a few coolers

[cerulean moon]

dang they cheap

you think it would be future proof for a 5600? with OC maybe

[sudden torrent]

Yep

The 5600 is quite low power

It would have trouble with the 5800X3D

[cerulean moon]

so with the cooler i get 1 fan and 1 "tower" idk what they're called

no need for the really big 2 towers one with 2 fans

[sudden torrent]

Yeah the heatsink and pipes are collectively called the "tower"

Dual towers are good for higher power parts, like if you were overclocking a Ryzen 7

[cerulean moon]

great! thank you

@modern walrus i see DigitALL in the bios, how should I tweak the settings?

[cerulean moon]

damn do i not have rgb headers on my mobo

@sudden torrent

i might have to buy an adaptor then

eh?

[sudden torrent]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806621734515.html

[cerulean moon]

cool, but it will arrive in september LOL

[sudden torrent]

It usually arrives sooner than they say

That's mostly a worst case estimate

[cerulean moon]

are the ones i sent still viable tho

cus i'm planning on routing all my fan cables at the back instead

rn currently they're just daisy chained to one fan header

[sudden torrent]

Daisy chaining is fine. It's the same as using a hub.

[cerulean moon]

alright

i'll get a hub aswell with argb

that works right

even though i think i don't have argb headers on my mobo

[sudden torrent]

No, it wouldn't. It needs to have the argb controller included since you don't have one.

The bottom right one is an example of a controller

[cerulean moon]

oh okay gotcha

i hope the white light of the idcooling looks good

[modern walrus]

what options do you have? typically the middle one is better but I'd start on the lowest you can run & only increase it as necessary. Read the help string in BIOS or check your motherboard's manual to see which LLC [number] is lower or higher because it can vary. (e.g., the highest numbered LLC setting could be largest vdroop or could be the smallest or even no vdroop at all depending on the motherboard--MSI boards sometimes have an LLC setting that increases voltage under load). Unless you're using LN2 or another extreme cooling solution, you should not use the "no vdroop" LLC option because of "transient" power spikes (better to Google that then watch me fumble around trying to explain it lol).

Btw just to be sure we're on the same page, vdroop refers to how much voltage drops when you go from little to no load on the CPU to a heavy load. Especially if your goal is for a daily overclock, you'll want to run the greatest vdroop that allows you to set vCore as low as possible. Bear in mind, vCore at idle does matter to an extent but vCore under load matters far more. I wish I could give you specific voltage numbers for what's "safe" but I don't know much about your specific CPU. TLDR: Be careful to avoid high vCore under load, especially when temps start approaching TJ max because that's when degradation becomes more likely.

also, there's an LLC setting for SOC voltage that may come into play, especially if you start playing with memory timings/frequency

[modern walrus]

I've used the Razer RGB controller before. It comes with tons of bloatware but you can control it with OpenRGB to avoid installing all the crap lol

[cerulean moon]

oh damn thank you very much I'll work on it in the evening, i have a lot of errands today coincidentally

I'll update you when i get home ggood thanks for that

[cerulean moon]

honestly just gonna buy a v cheap controller and set it to white, first time having lights in my pc lol

[cerulean moon]

so what I'm understanding is we'd want the greatest vdrop meaning, having lowest amount of voltage on the CPU when we go under load - in order for us to set vCore as low as possible, and to my knowledge vCore is the actual voltage the cpu is running at under load (or m pretty much how powerful the core is running at(?))

we'd want to balance vCore value that it only reaches below tj max which is just another word for max temps the cpu can handle.

if we can do all that no problem after benchmarking ig, say we reach a good and safe OC (is it oc? lol),

I'd also like to know about LLC and SOC as I'm only presuming, judging by memory timings/frequency you are talking about ram oc, I'd like an explanation of that

question tho, how is the former supposed to help aid in giving me a performance boost

[modern walrus]

yes, TJ max is when the CPU will start to slow down frequency to lower temperatures

I don't know what TJ max would be on your CPU but more than likely it's somewhere between 85-100C

if you haven't already, download HWiNFO

it'll give you almost ever sensor reading on your CPU, GPU, motherboard, & even storage drives & memory (if they have temp sensors)

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

seriously like every possible sensor lol

btw what are you setting the multiplier to?

[modern walrus]

RAM OC is an entire monster on it's own. There are many, many more variables compared to CPU OC. The CPU you're using is DDR4 so if you're interested in going down that dark path, this is a great place to start: https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md

don't get me wrong tho, I've spent countless hours messing with memory OC. It can be fun, or at the very least, give you a sense of accomplishment lol

one thing tho with memory OC especially, you'll want to dual boot a second Windows installation. Trying to overclock memory on your daily Windows install is very risky as it's very likely to corrupt Windows in the process

tbh, even if all you do is OC CPU, it's best to have a second install for testing or at the very least, back up anything you do not want to lose to an external drive or cloud type thing

Windows tends to corrupt itself over time regardless of whether you OC or not anyway lol

btw what are you using to stress test?

[cerulean moon]

well i downloaded cinebench and 3dmark demo

i also have msi kombustor

but apparently that's not quite great as a benchmarking tool

[cerulean moon]

i haven't yet actually, just finished errands and arrived home just now

gonna start late at night lol i think that might be your active times here

[cerulean moon]

are you up

christ on a bike this might be more confusing than i thought

[sudden torrent]

CPU Loadline level 3
CPU NB Loadline level 2
Don't worry about the rest

[modern walrus]

https://benchmate.org/

[modern walrus]

Mode 4 or 5 should be good. The rest just leave auto