overclocking

[finite frigate]

worth picking up both of those for 50$ total?

[proven canopy]

For fun? Definitely

[finite frigate]

m4 comes with a 2630, m3 comes with E5620

[proven canopy]

If you spent a few hours on it, I'd imagine you could flip parts on eBay for well over what you paid after benching it.

[finite frigate]

cool. ill probably pick those up relatively soon

comes with 2 50gb sata ssds yaaaaay

more bench ssds <3

comes with raid cards

[mental turret]

[finite frigate]

im getting sandybridge xeons

if you read

duh

[mental turret]

[finite frigate]

ibm server

prolly wack

but its ok

[finite frigate]

@mental turret I FOUND MY Z68 FTW ON FBM

[ancient bridge]

LMAO

BUY IT BACK

[finite frigate]

TRYING

i regret selling that board dude

i sold it with a 2500k for 50$

[ancient bridge]

TRY HARDER

[ancient bridge]

IKK

[finite frigate]

i got the board for free, repaired the pins, bought a 2500k sold it, 50$, now trying to buy it back

hes selling it with the 2500k i bought

it does 4.8

source:

[ancient bridge]

Wowza

[finite frigate]

not woza and also not on a good os which is WHY I WANT IT BACK

i only did r15 on it too, no other real benches

[ancient bridge]

Sad

Tried getting more out of my 12700k

I dont think I can unless I do sub ambient

Bench os got me +100 points in r20 lol but that's about it

[proven canopy]

Almost every 2500k should do 4.8 it better ambient

Many could "daily" 5g, but would slowly degrade

[sudden torrent]

In my case yes. Fr. I don't know why but my wife loves when I ramble about stuff like this.

[ancient bridge]

LMAO

That's great, you found the one

[sudden torrent]

Ikr

She was my childhood best friend too, I got super lucky

[ancient bridge]

Oh damnn

Good for you

[short blade]

wanna help me pick out a wedding ring @sudden torrent

trying to decide between gold royals or silver royals

[sudden torrent]

Silver imo

It matches more things

[short blade]

thanks

brb, have a proposal to make

[finite frigate]

duh, was ambient, gravity mountwed cooler too lmao

[mental turret]

damn i didnt

[sudden torrent]

Have a clover maybe it'll help 🍀

[mental turret]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc-devil-may-cry-so-it-is-written-dmc5-dmcv-gif-15904893

[restive sequoia]

after trying to do some tweaking could touch 15k cpu score

in the process almost had a heart attack when pc would not turn on had to pull out the cmos battery

[steel spade]

clear_cmos pins exist

i haven't touched a cmos battery in so long lmao

[latent wave]

im coming for your score, did u eclk?

[graceful jay]

Hi, I need some help, I dont know much about pc, I have a i5-8600 CPU, and I want to upgrade since I cant play new games (online) like forza 5, cod, etc. my cpu goes to a 100. I was thinking i7, but im lost with cores and threads

also im a casual gamer, and I dont use my pc for work, just fun

[sterile flame]

if you're looking to upgrade platforms, Ryzen 7000 is looking pretty neat. otherwise, a 9900k is the fastest chip that your board will support. but the i9 tax makes that annoying. I'd go for Ryzen 7000 if you have the money. also you'll probably have better luck with your question in #cpus-mobo-and-memory

[graceful jay]

ty Ill ask there, Im gonna buy a motherboard also

[restive sequoia]

Damn another fella who got shafted hard by that intel socket

I feel ya

[sterile flame]

Ryzen 7000 is probably your best bet then

[mental turret]

[ancient bridge]

Sumsang

[faint tangle]

samsang

[short blade]

raptor lake has a good ddr4 controller

[mental turret]

which server is that?

@sudden torrent 🗿 EXPLAIN YOURSELF

[ancient bridge]

(Hes gonna flood it with his ddr3 knowledge)

[mental turret]

enlighten*

[mental turret]

you should totally tell me what server that is

[short blade]

it's the one you left lol

[mental turret]

oh the nasty reddit server?

[short blade]

I haven't been there in a while but people keep pinging me to thank me for sharing my b-die experience

yeah

[mental turret]

lol cool

[wheat lintel]

Lol I just tried to boot my 8000 MT/s bios profile, only to realize I forgot to switch ram

[ancient bridge]

Goodjob

[wheat lintel]

I spent like 10 minutes trying to figure out, why can’t I post?

Then I realize XMP is an option in my bios and I’m like …wait

[finite frigate]

yoooooooo who wants to sell me cheap oc hardware

[kind walrus]

i'll send you a blob of thermal paste for $3

actually, just cos I love you as a friend, $2.50

[proven canopy]

Buy far's ewaste

[finite frigate]

what flavor

[mental turret]

bomb flavor

[ancient bridge]

I thought I was the one that got sent bombs

I mean

The packaging your psu came in looked like one the way it was taped up 🗿

[mental turret]

lol it was not that bad

im actually good at packaging things

I dont really sell most of my benching hardware though

I always need them

[ancient bridge]

Yeahhh

Well the psu still works

So yippee

[short blade]

@finite frigate the laptop rev. e is here

they're not both D9WFL

good news is they're both still rev. e

one is D9WFL which is rev. e with 3200c22 speed bin

one is D9VPP which is rev. e with 2666c19 speed bin

time to see if it can OC

i'm surprised it defaults to gear 2 at 2400

first thing i'm trying is gear 1, 3200 jedec timings, 1T

it's not booting

maybe the pcbs suck

[mental turret]

I wish my clevo worked

I could OC my ddie sodimms

[short blade]

should the ICs being different matter for ocing if they're just different jedec bins of rev. e?

not being able to boot 3200 is really disappointing

even with 2T and 1.35 vdimm and 1.1v SA

which should all be unnecessary for 3200

gotta try some different things to get 3200 to boot

i really want to get at least 3200 out of these

...bruh

3200 booted by tightening tWR

how... what... okay

[mental turret]

I should run my edie

[short blade]

update: i can boot 3200 G1 1T or 3466 G1 2T

need to do some testing to see which one is better

3200 G1 1T 22-22-22-52

3466 G1 2T 22-22-22-52

performance is a good bit higher at 3466 but the timings are technically tighter so not 100% sure which one is better still lol

but i think it's 3466

it's kinda hard to run exactly equivalent timings

i was running into boot issues loosening timings past 3200 jedec as well

so i think this is the best comparison i can get

[mental turret]

How come you're just going for jedec?

[short blade]

3466 2T

[short blade]

i'm not

just doing frequency testing first

I just popped these dimms in, so very early in the process, and I have no reason to rush because I don't use this laptop that often

interesting... for some reason the gpu did better in the 3200 1T run, but the CPU numbers still favor 3466 2T

[sudden torrent]

Yooooo

[short blade]

i wonder how much it matters even for benching

my 7800x3d infinity fabric was bottlenecking the hell out of ddr5-6400 bandwidth

[sudden torrent]

I'm sure there's some cases where it'll be a decent gain

At the very least I don't see any potential loss here

Mclk 4000 on AM5. I didn't think we'd see it so soon.

[short blade]

any thoughts on my 3200 1T vs 3466 2T?

i feel like the 3466 2T is a little bit better

[sudden torrent]

For benching 2T, daily I'd rather do 1T

[short blade]

hmm, why is that?

[sudden torrent]

Totally anecdotal. I feel like 1T is more responsive.

[short blade]

i forgot to turn off geforce experience overlay

guess i'm rerunning these lol

[sudden torrent]

Oof

[short blade]

it's annoying because i don't have bios profiles

i just have to manually type everything in every time i want to change stuff

[sudden torrent]

No bench os so you're not worrying about corrupting your main?

[short blade]

no

don't care tbh

i don't have anything important on it

the laptop only has one drive

and i don't use it often so downtime doesn't matter much

i could pull the nvme from my test bench since it's got an empty slot

but corrupting the main os and the test bench os is basically the same thing to me anyways...

[sudden torrent]

There is the added advantage of not having bloat like gfe when using a bench drive

More consistent results

[short blade]

new 3200 1T result

it's debloated pretty well as fa as a daily os goes, now that i've turned off gfe overlay

i had it on cause i was playing esports on this lol

[scenic vine]

Try benching CSGO

Imo it's not gonna matter enough to make a difference

Just pick whatever is more stable/easier to stabilize

[short blade]

csgo is a paid game, right?

i don't have it

[sudden torrent]

Free

You pay in blood and loot boxes

[short blade]

i see

[short blade]

all i know is they're both stable enough to run linpack xtreme benchmark and SOTTR

i just realized i actually have some game clips on here i'd like to upload in case i break my OS, so 3466 2T test will have to wait a bit lol

[scenic vine]

https://github.com/samisalreadytaken/csgo-benchmark

Here

[short blade]

so uhh

i forgot to set my CR back to 2T

but 3466 1T inexplicably was able to boot now when it didn't post before

time to see if it's stable enough to do anything i suppose

[sudden torrent]

That'll be the machine spirit, you must have pleased it

[short blade]

gonna start with SOTTR

CPU numbers are noticably higher

time to see if it's stable though

[zenith palm]

Only comp is paid

[short blade]

well, 3466 1T G1 is stable at 1.1V SA

i'm happy

time to work on timings then

[zenith palm]

Csgo is real cpu and mem sensitive, good option for benching progress

[short blade]

hmm, tRFC doesn't boot at 300ns, testing 310ns. seems a bit high for rev. e but I guess it's just laptop things

[finite frigate]

it should

[zenith palm]

Probably just laptop things ye

[short blade]

so far, i've determined that tRCD/tRP need to be at 21 at 3467

which is... painful

i get bsods with artifacts when they're at 20

huh, my laptop is ignoring my setting for tRRD according to aida timings

i set 4/16 (i only have one tRRD setting) and it's reading 6/9/16

4/4/16 worked fine with the oem ram

[steel spade]

change how the values work to make it those iron rings uses in the saturn V computer

so you flip the ring to change bit
change the 6 or 9 to 4 with flipped iron rings

[short blade]

if tRCD 20 boots at 3467, i wonder if going down to 3400 will actually let me run it... might be worth doing if it works

[sudden torrent]

Was this written with speech to text? I've never used iron rings in my computer

[steel spade]

it was more of a joke

this is saturn V computer

the memory was a ton of magnetic iron rings you would flip magnetically to change values for stuff

[sudden torrent]

Oh I see. Very obscure.

[short blade]

cool but is it running in gear 1?

welp, 3400 doesn't post, so guess i'm not testing 3400 lol

guess TGL really likes 100:133

[short blade]

man... i think this kit just might not be able to do 3467 after all

can't get karhu to stop erroring with any timings

VST got my hopes up

i wish i had RTT control on this laptop

[wheat lintel]

Idk why but I can’t get my laptop to post 3200 22-22-22 even though that’s my JEDEC spec and it works fine when it’s set to auto

[proven canopy]

That's where "core dump" comes from

🧓

[short blade]

welp, this kit just won't do 3467 stable

3400, 3333, 3300 don't post

so i have to go down to 3200

just gotta focus on tightening timings then

on the bright side, i can now lower SA voltage a lot and reclaim like 2-3 watts which is actually significant for a laptop cpu

[finite frigate]

what voltages

[short blade]

tried up to 1.2 SA

[finite frigate]

dram

[short blade]

tried 1.3 and 1.35

for 22-22-22-52

should be plenty

[finite frigate]

dont do flat 22's

rev.e does not appreciate that

[short blade]

doing 3200 17-20-20 1.3v rn

at 0.875v sa

[finite frigate]

for my freq dtesting i do 19-21-21-39/42

for voltages, try ~1.32-1.33, thats where my stuff likes sitting, if youre doing freqency pushes anyways

thinking

rev.e is a lot easier to just do than it is to explain

[finite frigate]

133 is optimal, yes

[short blade]

i'm surprised that 3333 doesn't post though

[finite frigate]

me too, thats the odd part

flat 22's could be the reason

gary gave me that tip and it helped a bunch

rev.e straight up does not like any form of flat timings from what i know

since your kit is so low bin, my guess is that youre going to have to raise trfc a bunch

[short blade]

i've been running 350ns trfc at every freq i tried

[short blade]

it's not

also tried 18-22-22, 18-21-21, etc.

[finite frigate]

i see

[short blade]

also tried 2T

[finite frigate]

i figure youre gear 1 cause 3200

[short blade]

yes

3467 was also gear 1

[finite frigate]

smart individual

[short blade]

just couldn't get it to be fully stable with any timings

most it could do was 600% in karhu

was fine in VST

3200 17-20-20-40 1.3V is at 3300% in karhu rn

[finite frigate]

are terts good?

[short blade]

no terts control unfortunately

[finite frigate]

yikes

[short blade]

no RTT control either

[finite frigate]

if you have realtime timing cont, you could see if you can use memtweak it or soemthing

or xtu or whatever

[short blade]

maybe 3467 could be stable with rtt control

it has "RTT training" and "terts training"

terts training disabled by default, RTT training enabled by default

[finite frigate]

try disabling it and see what it does

i dunno

[short blade]

RTT training has an option "maximum rttwr" below it that can either be 120 ohm or off

such a strange setting

[finite frigate]

odd

should buy c9blm ballistix and reball your sodimms

[short blade]

i feel like the PCBs are probably a bigger limiting factor than the ICs

[restive sequoia]

Was wondering what were some benchmarks where amd destroys intel because of the cache

[signal belfry]

Joe

[proven canopy]

7zip

GPUpi, but it's more of an architecture thing

[ancient bridge]

Yeah my 5900x was way faster in 7zip than this 12700k

Even with better ram

I be in the hills redacted dudes

[wheat lintel]

Hmm, should I delid my DDR5?

The heatsinks on it are so thin that I doubt they do anything

[latent wave]

if I wanna OC my 4090, is it wise to force constant voltage to prevent crashes?

[proven canopy]

Better to tune the v/f curve

[latent wave]

thats so much work but sure

[short blade]

if you don't want to do work you might as well leave it stock

the card works fine at stock

[latent wave]

cant get 60fps in cyberpunk benchmark smh

but ya could be fun

[sudden torrent]

Are you running 4k RT overdrive or something? Sheesh. Run DLSS and call it good, 1440p upscaling to 4k looks as good as native usually.

[latent wave]

this is on max settings with dlss quanlity

but also path tracing sooo

[sudden torrent]

Yeah that sounds like RT overdrive with the path tracing

[ancient bridge]

(Pathtracing isn't gonna look any different when ur in combat/driving around like mad)

[sudden torrent]

It is nice that they have the option to enable it only when doing screenshots

[latent wave]

its crazy how there are games that a 4090 can not hit 60 fps in even with dlss

[sudden torrent]

There's always been games that the halo cards struggle with, and it usually comes down to bad optimization

There's a reason "can it run crysis" became such a meme

Some high end GPUs would literally melt trying to play it. Sounds a bit like New World doesn't it?

[proven canopy]

I think halo ce ran 3000 fps on my 1080 back in the day on the menu screen, insane coil whine

Those have power limits, so non-issue, but yeah

It's basically prime 95 small fft for gpu

[sudden torrent]

Considering I ran CE on a school computer using integrated graphics on an early windows 7 system, I can believe that

I think it was a core 2 duo but it was so long ago I can't be sure

[restive sequoia]

It looks day and night even when driving around lol plz don't cope yourself

@latent wave 1440p dlss balanced +frame generation

Also using the nexus mod where it increases the ray bounce by 2 hence making it more demanding then in game rt overdrive

[latent wave]

i dont find cybrerpunk fun, its just a stress test for me loolz

but i should try out the frame generation thing\

[latent wave]

i also hae 7800x3d so whats ur timespy score. Give me a challange

[restive sequoia]

the latest run i did

definetly nowhere near irl indication of gaming perf of the cpu score tho

[latent wave]

oh that might be tough

[latent wave]

I hit 28800 with pure stock (no expo or pbo)

[ancient bridge]

Bro doesn't want to listen when we say it scales with core count

BECAUSE ITS A MULTI THREADED TEST

Ram also help a significant amount

[sudden torrent]

Plus time spy just hates amd

[ancient bridge]

Yeah

Idek why I try to explain it

[sudden torrent]

Sure but that's from brute forcing it

7950X and 13900K may both have 32 threads, but half of them are weak on the Intel

Compare a 13900k with disabled e-cores to a 7800X and it's not even close (both 16 full threads)

Which is exactly why Intel overclocking is better but that doesn't make up the 2GHz deficit on the e-cores

ASRock just changed the game for AMD there actually

[tall pelican]

you do understand that's like saying 5800x3d is a 5ghz cpu right?

yes

yes

5800x3d will do 5000mts when desynced

well 5k+ but nobody does that because performance is dog water

[sudden torrent]

That's true it'll be more of a future benefit, but it's the same difficulties Intel is having on MTL and presumably arrow lake

[tall pelican]

its also like saying intel is 9ghz because of gear 4

there's no reason to even mention that though

I dont see anyone else mention it until you do

[sudden torrent]

I'm a numbers guy. You can say whatever you like but I want data to back it up. Bickering like this is pointless.

I saw buildzoid was testing it. We'll have a deep dive soon from him.

I don't think that's indicative of final results, just look at those timings

32 tfaw? Nah that's just his proof of stability testing for the frequency

[tall pelican]

its also not at all stable if its erroring out that fast in memtest

[sudden torrent]

We'll see soon I'm sure. Give it a day or two probably.

[kind walrus]

Today I learned just how beautiful a mobo with a power button is

I, might even just go buy one of those test bench power buttons

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/204317606906

I only need 1 tho

Why would I get 3

I just want one for my pump test bench

[ancient bridge]

Or be like me and wire it to your reset button

I'm silly

It's for bench

Mb

[mental turret]

Spam

[ancient bridge]

Spam

[kind walrus]

[wheat lintel]

No matter what I do now, I can’t post with GDM off 1T. This is sad

[sudden torrent]

Hmmm. Is it worth it?

33 MHz faster but needs looser timings, plus takes 3 tries to train at 3666

I got 3733 to boot once but it corrupted my bench OS, good thing I had it

(4 sticks of mixed A0 and A2 B-die for context)

[ancient bridge]

No 💀

[restive sequoia]

@sudden torrent can you try doing this bench here

[sudden torrent]

Uh, sure. It's a really easy one to run, you can usually do it with barely stable timings lol

[signal belfry]

I got 5.4ghz stable on an i7 10700k doing a cpu z bench on an aio at 1.39v

For single core anyways

[restive sequoia]

what are your core clocks like

[finite frigate]

@mental turret is this stuff any good

2x8gb 2400 stuff

[sudden torrent]

Single core boosts to 5.15 GHz, all core boosts to around 4.75-4.85 depending on the workload

If I do a static OC I can do 4.9 all core with my aio

[mental turret]

i cant tell, it's a generic listing. the bin only gives so much info. it's probably bin reject H4B, H4M, or just S4Q

[finite frigate]

aight

worth in a rig thats 35?

i figure yes

[mental turret]

what

[finite frigate]

entire rig is 35 and has those in it

[mental turret]

what else is in it

and yes

[finite frigate]

GTX 980 (probably), ASUS TUF 990FX motherboard, some FX cpu, 120MM corsair aio, no psu

[mental turret]

damn

[finite frigate]

and rest is uknown

[mental turret]

your fee for requesting my professional opinion will be those 2 DIMMs

thx

[finite frigate]

💀

if theyre any good ill send em to you for cheap probably

[mental turret]

🥱

[finite frigate]

i dunno, thretically i pick it up tmr so

ugly as balls rig tho, but ill clean it up and make it look pretty-ish

[sudden torrent]

The 980 alone is worth way more than $35, more like $70

[finite frigate]

yep. hopefully picking it up tomorrow

[sudden torrent]

It could when I had 2 dimms but not with 4

Yep

If I lower any of those sec or tert timings it doesn't post

Part of having 2 different PCBs is my guess

4 dimms, so it actually uses the same dimm/different dimm timings

With 2 ofc you can put it as low as you can... because it's not a factor at all

2x16?

Yeah 2x16

That's a lot easier to run

[sudden torrent]

Interesting. We already knew that memory was much less important on X3D though.

3200 c16 getting just as many fps as 3600 c16 with the 5800X3D proved that

[short blade]

total gains from new MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 BIOS (updated from version 1B0 to 1D0) and dual rank B-die

tWR 20 >> 14
tWR_MR 20 >> 14
tWRPRE 36 >> 30

tRTP 10 >> 7
tRTP_MR 10 >> 7
tRDPRE 10 >> 7

VDIMM 1.600 >> 1.580
VCCSA 1.365 >> 1.360

tRDWR_sg 15 >> 14
tRDWR_dg 15 >> 14
tRDWR_dr 15 >> 14

@alpine mantle

sadly couldn't get tCWL 10 stable on new bios but i'll take it

[alpine mantle]

tCWL is a finicky one

But nice try

[short blade]

i'm used to being able to hit tCWL 10 without much struggle so it's bothering me lol

oh well

[alpine mantle]

i gotta modify my kit a bit morre

[short blade]

tWR was bothering me a lot more, and that's fixed now, so i'm happy

i always felt like something was wrong looking at tWR 20

turns out it wasn't skill issue or bad ram it was bios issue

💀

[alpine mantle]

LOL

Atleast its fixed now

[short blade]

mostly satisfied with this tune now, when i look at asrtc the only thing i still have to be dissatisfied with is the tCWL

[alpine mantle]

its just one tune

dont let it get to ya

💀

[short blade]

i'll be fine lol

it's not like it's living in my head when i'm just using the system daily

it's just the one thing that sticks out when i look at the tune

[alpine mantle]

delete asrock timing configurator ✅

[short blade]

lmao

i mean i'm removing it from my desktop when i'm done

keeping it in my benchmarking folder though

right version kind of annoying to track down

[alpine mantle]

i see

[short blade]

nope

doesn't post with 10/14, 10/15 makes it to 1504%, 10/16 regresses to 440%

tried messing with IMC parameters with 10/15 as well

didn't help

[short blade]

didn't try it but

doubtful it will make the difference and even if it does i'm not sure that's better than 12/14

i think the tradeoff is only worth it while it's 1:1

[short blade]

laptop tune is done

[mental turret]

Jedec M8E sodimms right? Why not go with a different IC

[short blade]

yes, jedec M8E

[short blade]

what different IC would you suggest?

i am pretty sure S8B would be a terrible decision to put in a laptop

[mental turret]

[short blade]

especially in a place where ambient exceeds 30C

unless i run tRCDs so loose that it might as well not matter that it's S8B

and then there's the question of if there are even any decent S8B SODIMMs out there

i don't see what makes M8E a poor choice of IC for a laptop, please enlighten me

[mental turret]

i didnt imply that at all. i was just curious if you considered others

[short blade]

not really

i got a good deal on these

i'm not sure what else i would want to look for

M8E is easy to identify from a listing image

not very temperature sensitive

and usually not too hard on the IMC

it just seems like the ideal choice for a laptop to me

like i would not be surprised if the memory temps are exceeding 70C, no sensor though so i can only guess

tREFI has to run quite loose in laptops

what do you think would have been a good alternative? and can you find any?

this kit was $40 shipped for 32GB

[finite frigate]

@mental turret what do you need for identifying good ddr3?

[sudden torrent]

A picture of the label and a closeup on an IC is a good start

[wheat lintel]

Want to send me a link?

Or was it a one off eBay deal?

[short blade]

ebay

just find listings that accept offers

offered $40 on the listing that was $54

accepted

[wind prairie]

I wanna start tweaking ram where should i start
Hynix m die
6400 32-39-39-102

[wheat lintel]

Get freq as high as you can

What cpu and motherboard?

[wind prairie]

13600k and z690 edge wifi

[wheat lintel]

Set primaries to 42-42-42-109, then try frequency of 6800MT/s

[wind prairie]

u think i can do 38 flat with 6400

[wheat lintel]

Maybe? But what’s the point

42 flat is just to loosten it so you don’t get instability from your primaries when you’re trying to find your highest possibly frequency

You’re going to get better gains from higher frequency than tighter primaries

[short blade]

why would you want to run flat timings on hynix

you already have tcl at 32

[mental turret]

I have a feeling most of that sheet is pretty situational relative to the hardware being used

[finite frigate]

this :(

flat timings are not cool

[mental turret]

YOU'RE NOT COOL

[finite frigate]

SHJUT UP FAR

:((

i should show you my ddr3 and see if its good

[mental turret]

post picture

[finite frigate]

lemme pull it

i hate my camera being broken

💀goodluck

[mental turret]

i cant read that.

[finite frigate]

im just gonna type it

💀

[mental turret]

user error

[short blade]

surely flat timings being good on bee die means it's good on ddr5

[finite frigate]

9905403-662.AOOLF
000006453225-P001665
VDL6Y-Y9MP12-6WB2B

[mental turret]

lol no

just post a better picture

[finite frigate]

I CANNOT

MY CAMERA IS BROKEN

[mental turret]

user error

borrow your moms phone or something

[finite frigate]

💀 bro

[mental turret]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[mental turret]

ah much better

[finite frigate]

front camera ftw

2400 11-13-13

2x8GB

[mental turret]

that's either H4M or H4B, maybe H4A but probably not

[finite frigate]

what is ideal

[mental turret]

delid it with acetone or isopropyl, if it's MFR ill buy it off you

[mental turret]

MFR tbh

[finite frigate]

for what

[mental turret]

what do you mean for what

[finite frigate]

what price

idiot

[mental turret]

delid it first

[finite frigate]

got me fricked up

[mental turret]

https://tenor.com/view/johan-liebert-monster-gif-22347472

[finite frigate]

if its not mfr and i delid it nobody will want to buy it off me locally 💀

[short blade]

bro is playing gacha

[finite frigate]

fr

[mental turret]

you said you'd sell it to me for cheap, so how about 10 bucks + shipping

ill buy it no matter what it is

so if thats fine just dont bother delidding it and send it to me 🥱

[finite frigate]

💀 i could sell it on ebay for at least 30

[mental turret]

wouldnt you wanna sell it to your favorite ddr3 overclocker

[finite frigate]

because money

[mental turret]

ok bozo

[finite frigate]

unless you wanna buy a 980 too

[mental turret]

ew

[finite frigate]

990fx sabertooth rev.2?

[mental turret]

EW

[finite frigate]

8350 with a dead memory channel?

[mental turret]

RAHHHHHH

[finite frigate]

💀

(i killed the memory channel cause pga i hate it)

knocked off a pin 😔

[mental turret]

actual bozo

[finite frigate]

fr

[mental turret]

do you not have an iron

[finite frigate]

no donor cpu

fr pensive

[mental turret]

you can use a paper clip tbh

[finite frigate]

💀

[mental turret]

METAL IS METAL BRO

[finite frigate]

ill hot glue a paperclip on the pad

[mental turret]

hot

glue...

[finite frigate]

yep

[mental turret]

https://tenor.com/view/sasuke-sad-naruto-gif-7406316

[finite frigate]

basically soldering

duh

or i can just sell the entire rig for like 250$ and tell people as-is

[mental turret]

nobody is going to buy that for 250

[finite frigate]

youd be surprised

i sold a 750ti, 2400, 8gb rig for 200

[mental turret]

if you find some bozo who doesnt know better

but anyway

i want the ram

[finite frigate]

20+ship

[mental turret]

scammer

[finite frigate]

L

[mental turret]

how about

[finite frigate]

ill probs just sell local anyways

[finite frigate]

19.99+ship

[mental turret]

scammer

[mental turret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMXTtlzYcOI&ab_channel=chaember

[mental turret]

doesnt he only do ddr5 on amd since he has skill issue on intel

[dapper drum]

This is all the information I have in regards to my ram

The send is a bit slow- Apologies

@mental turret

[mental turret]

no i mean literally just send a picture of the label on the actual dimms themselves

[dapper drum]

Ah- Apologies

[mental turret]

lol its fine

[dapper drum]

Wai

Lemme crop it

[mental turret]

though im not sure if theres any good info to reference to identify IC on patriot ddr4

[dapper drum]

There it is 🙏🏾

[mental turret]

i can barely read it but i dont think it matters at this point

[wheat lintel]

Yeah that could be literally anything

[dapper drum]

What is IC if you don’t mind me asking?

[wheat lintel]

Mine were CJR but anything is possible

[mental turret]

I assume they're single sided?

[dapper drum]

Perhaps I can do some research

And find it

I just don’t really know what IC is

[mental turret]

the actual DRAM chips they use on the DIMMs. some are better at overclocking than others

[dapper drum]

I see

What types are there?

[mental turret]

a lot lol

[dapper drum]

Using CPU Z

It says Samsung I think?

[mental turret]

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md

[dapper drum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/610602203849162772/1133116159168872519/IMG_8107.jpg

[mental turret]

thaiphoon burner might be able to guess what it is, or at least get the manufacturer

[dapper drum]

It says the dram manufacturer is Samsung

[mental turret]

oh

its probably c-die

[dapper drum]

C Die. Is that good?

[wheat lintel]

Depends

[dapper drum]

Hhmmm

Okay well

[wheat lintel]

What size is the ram?

[dapper drum]

8gb x2

[mental turret]

its not good

[dapper drum]

Oriented in slot 2 and 4

[wheat lintel]

Yeah it’s bad

[mental turret]

you can probably get it to 3600 though.

[dapper drum]

Shiz

Can I ask why?

Like why is it bad?

[wheat lintel]

Not much overclocking potential and fairly prone to dying from what I’ve seen

[dapper drum]

I see

[mental turret]

Im not exactly sure what aspects of its design make it terrible at overclocking

[dapper drum]

Shoot…

If that’s the case

I have put the voltage up on the oc menu before

Just for fun

It’s the only thing I touched

It hit 1.4 safely

Do yall think it’s enough to hit 3600?

That’s strictly voltage in mind

Not timings or other tunings

[wheat lintel]

Bring it down to 1.35V

[dapper drum]

I see

[mental turret]

😔

[dapper drum]

Okay so what I’m understanding is try to hit 3600 with a 1.3 voltage?

I’m already at 3333

Well yeah

It’s more about warzone

It’s idiotically Ram heavy

[mental turret]

tuning ram barely has an effect on games

but if you want to for the fun of it, go for it

[wheat lintel]

imagine if this ram is S8B

[mental turret]

its not

[wheat lintel]

I know

[mental turret]

im dailying jedec 2133 bdie lol

got it running at like 3200C16

[dapper drum]

Look I’m saying like

A game like apex legends

I play it? No stuttering

Plays wonderfully

With warzone? I run it with jedec speeds just to test my theory

2133

It stutters like hell

Then I use xmp

It’s BETTER. But there is a hitch or two here and there

So I’d imagine going from 3333 to perhaps a 3600 MHz clock boost

Would maybe show a noticeable improvement?

That’s exactly my goal

[mental turret]

There's a huge difference between jedec speeds and 3200 xmp lol. Of course it'd be noticeable

[dapper drum]

Haven’t the slightest clue

My computer uses strict solid state

So it’s not drive speeds

1600 x 900

Literally nothing for a 3060

Which is odd

Is my Gpu the bottle neck here?

Yessir precisely

So that leaves…

Ram. That’s why I thought it would be worth a shot

Not to mention im upgrading to a i7-11th gen soon and upgrading my monitor in the near future. I’ll also likely be getting a MUCH better kit of ram

I just would like to squeeze this performance out while I have it

[potent fiber]

If 3200 is plenty for my setup, it is for yours unless the fps is outright choppy. I run "gsync" but also a frame cap to stay just under the 165 limit of my monitor, for instance.

[short blade]

no point upgrading to an i7 11th gen unless you're getting it for extremely cheap

[dapper drum]

$80 👀

[short blade]

ok for 80 it's worth you can just sell the 11400f

[dapper drum]

That is a really smart idea, but I’m getting it from my friend

My friend and me essentially use the same platform

He’s running an i9-11th gen with a 3090

For some reason 4 tb of nvme-

And a 1000 w power supply

He had an i7-11th gen and just said heck he’s gonna slide it my way

I do have a question though

What does 1 rank per channel mean?

I’m following the oc guide

And I’m severely close to 3600 steadily

I’ve been at it for 2 hours

[sudden torrent]

10700 > 11700

10900 >>> 11900

[short blade]

you can probably sell 11400f for like 80 honestly

free upgrade to 11700(k?)

is your mobo/cooler up to the task though

[sudden torrent]

It means up to 2 sticks, and each stick has memory chips on only one side of the memory. It's most common to find this on 16GB kits, but can be found on 32GB kits.

[short blade]

note that 8gb dual rank sticks exist so capacity isn't a surefire way to tell

[sudden torrent]

There's also dual rank 4Gb but those are less common. The only way to know for sure is to look under the heat spreader.

[dapper drum]

Shiz-

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nJhj4D/patriot-viper-4-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3400-memory-pv416g340c6k

@short blade @sudden torrent

Is this perhaps enough information to conclude if it’s dual rank?

I’m at the third timings in my oc and everything is smooth sailing. But I’m not sure if my ram is dual rank to set the timings accordingly

[sudden torrent]

One can infer that those are single rank but they could be dual.

[dapper drum]

Is it a visual thing?

Like something that cannot be found on paper?

[dapper drum]

Could this info help at all?

It is made by Samsung

[sudden torrent]

Yep single rank

[dapper drum]

Okay okay

[dapper drum]

🫠

Much appreciated 🙏🏾

So I don’t need to focus on the Dr and Dd timings?

[sudden torrent]

Correct, those won't be used

[dapper drum]

Alright much appreciated

[short blade]

yeah, I meant 8 gigabytes, so that would be dual rank 4 gigabit chips

we're talking about the same thing I just didn't make it very clear

[alpine mantle]

FREAKING FINALLY, A STABLE CPU OC

[short blade]

also, if you're upgrading CPU soon I would recommend you just wait until then to do ram oc @dapper drum

different cpus may oc ram differently even if they're same generation

even 2 different i5-11400f might get different results

[short blade]

what clocks?

your voltage is so low

[dapper drum]

Shoot alright 🙏🏾

It could be a good baseline though

Unless you recommend I start fresh

[short blade]

if you really just want to mess with it now that's fine

[short blade]

starting fresh would probably be best on new cpu, it's really not fun to diagnose errors when multiple things are unstable

[sudden torrent]

That does appear to be idle, probably with multiple cores parked and it might be taking an average including the ones with 0v

[short blade]

no ram tests can tell you which timing caused an error

[short blade]

I'm looking at the maximum

[alpine mantle]

5.4 PCORE/ 4.1 ECORE/ 4.8 RING

🦾

[short blade]

if that's maximum then load vcore is probably really low

[short blade]

wow hitting 5.4p and 4.8r with voltage that low is pretty good

what's load vcore? 1.1?

[alpine mantle]

and i thought my cpu bin was trash

[dapper drum]

Alright for sure. Thank you for everything honestly

[alpine mantle]

the load vcore was around 1.18v

[short blade]

huh

what LLC are you using

[alpine mantle]

sometimes it will go up to 1.186 max

LLC is set to auto, cpu lite load is set to 1

[short blade]

hmm

does it reveal the auto setting

what do you have voltage set to?

[alpine mantle]

here you go

[short blade]

is that adaptive+offset?

[alpine mantle]

YESSIR

[short blade]

maybe I should try adaptive again

on older bios adaptive voltage was kinda bad so I switched to override

maybe adaptive is fixed on newer bios

[alpine mantle]

im so freaking happy that i finally tackled Linpack

[short blade]

I did notice that the newest bios runs much lower voltage at stock

[alpine mantle]

yep

[short blade]

yeah the maximum is 1.184

that's low isn't it?

my 13700k used to run 180mv higher than that at stock

now it's down to 80mv higher than that at stock

[sudden torrent]

A little low but easily within expected range

For a good bin

[short blade]

1.36 down to 1.26

[alpine mantle]

i decided to lower ecore and ring

and it finally hits stability

i dunno about ram since i left it at xmp for now

[short blade]

did both need to be lowered?

tbh hitting 48 ring with voltage that low is already really good

[alpine mantle]

well... I tried ring at 4.9ghz and it passed cinebench r23 but failed in OCCT immediately, Ecore freq at 4.2-4.3GHZ also crashed in occt

[short blade]

I see some people with 13700k only getting 48 ring at 1.3+

[alpine mantle]

4.1 ecore was the best one

I used to run the cpu at 4.3ghz ecore but i guess it was unstable with the new bios

[short blade]

fair enough

my e-cores are really close to being stable at 4.5

[alpine mantle]

wow

[short blade]

probably needs like 10mv more

but I don't really want to

[alpine mantle]

yea i wouldn't push it tbh

[short blade]

I'm already at 1.325v under load

and that 10mv isn't going to get me any gains on p-cores or ring

[alpine mantle]

I was mainly focusing on SINGLE CORE speed than multicore, because lets be real... The multicore is too cracked

[short blade]

going up to 1.335v just to clock up the e-cores doesn't seem too worth it

[alpine mantle]

^^^ facts

[short blade]

especially since I'm just gaming on a debloated os

[alpine mantle]

my goal was to stay under 1.2v at all costs while overclocking

[short blade]

pretty sure the e-cores are on vacation most of the time anyways

[alpine mantle]

well yea

[short blade]

you're using air cooler and no contact frame right?

[alpine mantle]

i am using a contact frame

with the chonky cooler

air cooler ftw

[short blade]

ah okay

lian li is sending me a replacement galahad 360 soon, wonder if it'll do any better than the current one

[alpine mantle]

Oooooh

It may be better

[short blade]

my current one has a serial number in the range of the ones that were having pump issues

and it's been making more sloshing sounds recently

[alpine mantle]

[short blade]

and it feels like cooling performance is down a little bit, but not much yet

just reached out to them cause it feels like it's just starting to fail but still ok for now

[alpine mantle]

As for me i had to take my front panel off and clean it with water outside to remove dust, i don't have an air compressor can atm

It def helped with the temps

[short blade]

pretty nice that they're just sending me a replacement for an aio that I bought used for $30 2 years ago lol

idk if they would still do that if the serial number wasn't in the affected range

[alpine mantle]

Tomorrow, i gotta do additional occt cpu testing before i can FULLY confirm that my oc values are stable

[short blade]

also gives me a reason to crack open some of the new mx-6 I got

[alpine mantle]

I need it to be rock solid before i can daily

[short blade]

I have mx-5 on my cpu right now

[alpine mantle]

I have mx-4 on my cpu right now

My broke ass

Lol

Asrock gpu using da gd-900

[sudden torrent]

Wow I was not expecting my motherboard to still be getting so many bios updates. There's been at least 4 in the last year and this is a X570. New agesa versions... well I needed to redo my memory overclock anyway. Maybe I'll be able to hit 3800 after all.

[short blade]

I bought a tube of mx-6 just to get free shipping on amazon cause I don't have prime anymore

haven't had a use for it yet

[alpine mantle]

Send it to me so i can eat use it

[sudden torrent]

Use it as toothpaste, the diamond dust has to be good for scrubbing

[alpine mantle]

Oh yea, modern motherboards are still being supported and im really happy

[short blade]

if my 4080 ever arrives I might give it some fresh paste

[alpine mantle]

Supported to the point that my z690 board is prepping up for the new cpu refresh

[short blade]

will see its condition first

[alpine mantle]

Which i WONT be buying

[sudden torrent]

Z690 is still a current socket though

[alpine mantle]

You right...

[alpine mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/blooprint-brick-rust-gif-26443262

[sudden torrent]

AM4 is not, but I guess it would need an update to support the 5600X3D at least

[short blade]

nah

I'm not getting a brick cause it's not even going to arrive

bro today I saw a UPS truck pull up

[alpine mantle]

A true amd powerhouse is an x3d chip with 780m graphics

[alpine mantle]

💀

[short blade]

and bring a package to the house next to ours

😭

[sudden torrent]

Huh I just checked the CPU support list and the 5600X3D isn't even on it. Latest bios is from 20 days ago too.

[alpine mantle]

Bro's on hopium

Lethally

[dapper drum]

Real quick- I apologize for the bombardment of questions again

This is where I’m at

tRDRD and tWRWR
On Intel, start with 6-4-6-6 (sg-dg-dr-dd), then 7-4-7-7, 8-4-8-8 and so on if unstable. The dr and dd timings only matter if running more than 1 rank per channel. These may sometimes run 1 tick higher or lower than the sg timing, so it could be worth playing around with setting them separately from sg.

That’s where I’m at. I’m just wondering if I did that correctly

Really?

Can I ask why?

Yeah I’m only running one rank per channel

I’m just wondering if I did it right according to the excerpt of the guide I just sent

Alright 🤞🏾

[ancient bridge]

When u going water cooling

[alpine mantle]

Never gonna happen

I never had a cpu air cooler fail on me

Why switch?

Heh

[ancient bridge]

Because uhh

Better cooling

https://hwbot.org/submission/5310187_

[sudden torrent]

AYOOOO

That's more like it! New agesa ftw.

[ancient bridge]

Zamn

Now tighten them timings

[sudden torrent]

3866, post but hard freeze in os

This is insane I couldn't even post past 3600 before

Or, I got 3666 to post but couldn't tune it worth a damn

[sudden torrent]

After I check for quiet errors, I don't 100% trust it's stability yet

It took 4 tries to train though

[sudden torrent]

I'm getting tighter timings than when I had 2 sticks. I couldn't do SCLs at 2/2 before, only 4/4. I wish I'd checked for this update earlier.

[wheat lintel]

Finally getting around to actually sitting down and get this DDR5 kit tuned

So far got 7466 stable fairly easily

[alpine mantle]

LETS go, another PASS

[eternal relic]

love passing every imaginable cpu and ram stress, only to bsod in bannerlord 2 weeks later

[short blade]

most stable raptor lake system

[alpine mantle]

@short blade bro... Bro IM BOOTING 4100

Rn im testing 4000mhz with low primaries

It keeps booting AHHHHH

[alpine mantle]

Yea sometimes i gotta test a game that would hammer on cpu instructions/ram

[eternal relic]

hey now, im on ALDER

[short blade]

passes prime95 small ffts avx2, prime95 small ffts avx, prime95 small ffts sse, prime95 large ffts avx2, occt small ffts avx2, occt small ffts sse, occt large ffts avx2, linpack xtreme, y-cruncher fft, y-cruncher vst, y-cruncher n32, y-cruncher n64, tm5 extreme1, tm5 absolut, tm5 pcbdestroyer, karhu, hci memtestpro

bsods from opening discord

[ancient bridge]

What did u change

[short blade]

most stable raptor lake system

[ancient bridge]

Real

[eternal relic]

unironically tho true

[ancient bridge]

(I never tested stability)

[alpine mantle]

Uh

[eternal relic]

im running stock cpu with my 4000mbps ram tune at 3200

[alpine mantle]

Well for starters, me and orange have a new bios update for our mobo

And it improves ram

[ancient bridge]

OHHH

[alpine mantle]

I disabled xmp and decided to go manual on memory

[ancient bridge]

Nicee

[short blade]

all i got from the bios update was the ability to lower tWR below 20 lol

and -0.005v SA

👍

[alpine mantle]

I mean atleast you got something better

Lol

[short blade]

yeah

[alpine mantle]

Don't forget lower voltages

[short blade]

tWR 20 down to 14 is nice

[eternal relic]

a whole -0.005v

[short blade]

oh right yeah i forgot

-0.02v vdimm

[alpine mantle]

Less voltage the better 😳

[eternal relic]

how do u even test this

[alpine mantle]

I love when my pc becomes fast on ultra low power

[short blade]

1. say you are done with ram oc on your daily
2. enjoy dailying it for a few months
3. @alpine mantle tells you there's a new bios update
4. curse a lot
5. spend 3 days on it

[alpine mantle]

XD

Real

[eternal relic]

ive never put more than a day of effort into my daily

[short blade]

i only do daily ocs

[eternal relic]

bliss

[short blade]

my entire hwbot is just garbage subs from random pcs that people paid me to oc

[eternal relic]

stability is for nerds (i mostly oc for hwbot only)

[short blade]

hell yeah 4 hw points

[alpine mantle]

My ram oc log as of now

✅

[ancient bridge]

😭😭

[short blade]

honestly

good

you should not daily overclocked alder/raptor lake

[ancient bridge]

Why

[alpine mantle]

LOOOL

[ancient bridge]

I do

[short blade]

it is not worth the headache at all

[ancient bridge]

Hmm

[alpine mantle]

He's got a point

[ancient bridge]

U shouldn't oc daily at all tbh 💀

U don't get a noticeable dif

[short blade]

ive never had issues with this on ryzen

[eternal relic]

my games perform the same with a 7800x, 9920x, 7980xe, 12100f, 12900k, 11700k and 13900k so im fine with jedec + stock

[short blade]

the difference is pretty noticeable lol

[ancient bridge]

Oh idk

[short blade]

why do you think i'm doing this

[eternal relic]

(i game at 3440x1440)

[ancient bridge]

Ram sure

[short blade]

im talking about ram yes

cpu oc is whatever

[alpine mantle]

Though, i bought the z690 for the sole purpose of overclocking, so i had to do it to get my money's worth

[ancient bridge]

Ohh

Gotcha

[alpine mantle]

Orange, 6ghz your 13700k with icecubes

[short blade]

idk i can feel the frametime differences between jedec/xmp and manual tuned

it was night and day on my laptop

[alpine mantle]

Not placebo?

[short blade]

some games doubled average fps

[eternal relic]

just play at such a high res that ram dosent matter

[short blade]

let alone frametimes

valorant tripled average fps lol but i don't play valorant

[alpine mantle]

If the frametime is flatlined then your pc is ded smooth af

[short blade]

went from 180 to 520

[ancient bridge]

8k

Then complain 4090 is slow

[short blade]

but yeah i only bother to ram oc daily because i'm actually too used to the difference to go back

💀

[eternal relic]

im on 1440p uw with a 3070 atm, so cpu and ram clocks do nothing

[short blade]

it's been worth the effort on ryzen platforms and on the 12100

can't say the same about the 13700k

[alpine mantle]

Overclocking fast modern cpus you probably wont feel a difference

[eternal relic]

cpu oc for daily has been dead for ages

[alpine mantle]

Unless you're rocking a pentium and oc it to 5.5ghz+

[short blade]

i daily a cpu oc but it's more for fun than anything else lmao

[eternal relic]

yeah same

[short blade]

the ram oc is the one i can actually feel

he has a 3070

[alpine mantle]

I daily an oc'd cpu so minecraft can load faster dammit

[eternal relic]

i tested jedec vs xmp vs manual 4000 tune with s8b, identical in games i play when im 100% gpu bound.

[alpine mantle]

Uh

My pc not booting up

I think my tras is too low

[short blade]

my laptop actually sees some decent differences from ram oc even when gpu bound

but it's in the minimums

[eternal relic]

i need to grab a 6900xt sooner ir later, 3070 sucks

[sudden torrent]

Average or lows, because lows are where RAM shines

[eternal relic]

all identical

[short blade]

well if you're choking your gpu hard enough the minimums are going to be from the gpu too lol

[eternal relic]

3440x1440, basically cpu sits at 5-10% in game

[alpine mantle]

Tras 40 may be the ram's limit at 4000mhz

[sudden torrent]

Oof yeah wide 1440p on a 3070

[short blade]

jedec ram gaming at 30 fps

[alpine mantle]

That's true gaming right there

[eternal relic]

my 2080ti does about the same

im just lazy to have a wb in rn

[short blade]

the way dell intended

[alpine mantle]

💀

[eternal relic]

single channel 🙏

[kind walrus]

If everything was the way dell intended we'd still be on ddr2

[short blade]

actually dell runs some insanely tight memory timings in their prebuilts

[alpine mantle]

Can't wait to get 45fps on candy crush

[wheat lintel]

I just realized I never updated my X470’s bios

I wonder if that’ll give me some better tuning

[eternal relic]

2133 c15 levels of tight 😍

[short blade]

like the recent GN prebuilt review... dell overclocked the memory from 4800 40-40-40-76 to 4800 40-39-39-76

hold onto your hats folks

gaming is happening

[kind walrus]

Jfc

[mental turret]

ddr3 >

[eternal relic]

gahh damn

[kind walrus]

Get the fire extinguisher

[eternal relic]

silence throwa

[kind walrus]

It's burning fast for a different reason

[mental turret]

2900C8 what?

2900C8 what?