building-and-recc-chat

[frigid night]

Thats what I'm thinking

Good luck to anyone who managed to checkout at $35 though

[frank stirrup]

I SEE ALL

[stoic island]

But do you see a good Intel gpu

[frank stirrup]

I CANNOT SEE WHAT DOES NOT EXIST

[frigid night]

Whats my name then?

[stoic island]

xD

[frank stirrup]

Lets just say u share it with a very famous singer

:)

[frigid night]

Ah crap

[cyan ravine]

I got this

Bon Jovi?

[frank stirrup]

selena gomez actually

his real name is selena gomez

[cyan ravine]

Ah damn

Would've never guessed that

[frigid night]

I can't belieb you'd guess my name would be Bon Jovi. ;)

[oblique sage]

I would rather build it myself and bet the most for my money.

[stuck juniper]

Is 3070 msi gaming trio a good card

[mossy venture]

Bruh that was two whole days ago

How does it take you this long to reply to a ping

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yHNqPX @oblique sage

[unborn mesa]

Yall think i can run a 6900xt and 3070ti on an 850psu?

[empty pollen]

that can run on a 750

oh wait

what? both gpus in the same pc?

[unborn mesa]

Yea

What else did you think i meant

Both undervolted of

Of course*

[empty pollen]

yeah, thats beyond my area of expertise xD, my eyes deceived me on the 6900xt as a 5600x

[unborn mesa]

Lmao

Just wondering cuz i built my brother a pc with a 3070 but he hasnt turned it on since i built it so

[empty pollen]

and whats the goal of having 2 gpus on the same pc?

just curiosity

[unborn mesa]

Get usage instead of just collecting dust

Brand new parts and its just sitting under his desk unplugged

Disappointment

[empty pollen]

lol

if you arent running like 6+ monitors then the second card will be largely unused on the power department

[unborn mesa]

Tv for forza

[analog pulsar]

Hello I'm at game stop they have razer cynosa or huntsman should I get 1 to match my razer mouse

I might get huntsman

[empty pollen]

have one, love it

purple switches, very loud

[analog pulsar]

Nice

Louder better

Clicky clicky

[empty pollen]

thats right

[analog pulsar]

@empty pollen got it like $38

[empty pollen]

what a steal, mine new was like 110

welcome to the family xD

[stuck juniper]

Just build one smh

[muted carbon]

whats a better combo for gaming 12400f 3080 or i7 12700f and 3070

[tawny violet]

What res and refresh rate is the goal?

@muted carbon

Because rn
My answer is that it depends on a lot of things

[muted carbon]

240hz, 1080p

[tawny violet]

Hmmm

That's a good question

[muted carbon]

yes

[tawny violet]

I might catch flak for saying this from some folks
But you don't need a 3080 IMO

The 3070 will do high refresh rate 1080p
And the better CPU helps it keep getting fed data to work with

[muted carbon]

oh yes i also think 3080 is overkill for 240hz

gaming at 1080p

[jagged ember]

1080p a 3050 can do just fine lol

so

[muted carbon]

but i think 3070

it fit my buget more here is the 2 build um

[jagged ember]

imo 12400 is already good enough

gpu more important for most games, unless you play CPU intensive games

like rts and whatnot

[muted carbon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bVJVmr
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KZpgFg

well i do play some rts games

but id be having 6 bluestack playing the same game just on different account

but a 3070 is stil lgood

[mossy venture]

12400f and 3080 in most cases

[tawny violet]

Honestly I'd recommend going AMD if next gen was already out

Tbf the 5800X is still great IMO

Although I'm firmly Team Red lately with CPUs

Mostly cuz Z690 is really expensive still
And DDR5 is still unobtainum afaik

So I'd recommend either waiting for Ryzen 7000 if you have the time

Or just
I dunno, see if you can make it cheaper with AMD now

[muted carbon]

well my original plan is to match the 3070 with the 5600x

but then ppl recommended me to buy the 12400f instead

so then someone comes up with a 12400f and 3080 build

[mossy venture]

5800x is one of the worst cpus to buy right now

Even 5700x would be a better buy

Z690s aren't needed

A $130 b660 mag bazooka is enough for a 12900

[tawny violet]

I mean that is just a toaster

[mossy venture]

5800x is one of the hottest cpus, it's just as hot as a 12700

[tawny violet]

The new Intels are hot enough to use as an oven

[mossy venture]

And 12700f is $312 and games as well as the 5900x

And is fine with an ak620, same as the 5800x

5800x3d is as hot as a 12900ks

12th gen is a much better buy than 5000 series right now, unless you already have an am4 mobo

Such as going from a 2600 to a 5600 on a b450

[tawny violet]

I disagree tbf

But each to their own

[mossy venture]

Disagreeing is a matter of opinion, not fact

12400f is better than the 5600, and cheaper

12600kf is better than the 5700x and 5800x, and cheaper

Same with 12700f and 5900x

Only place they meet is 5950x and 12900k

[tawny violet]

I mean Z690 boards are ass
And DDR5 is like the only kinda redeeming feature
Which as you probably know
Is still scalped

[mossy venture]

You don't need ddr5 to use 12th gen cpus

Ddr5 is still meh

[tawny violet]

PCIE Gen 5 is useless too

[mossy venture]

And?

[tawny violet]

Nothing uses it

[mossy venture]

Pcie 4.0 isn't even utilized fully yet

Ddr5 is still nearly pointless to get over ddr4

[tawny violet]

Yeah that's the point
PCIE 5 and DDR5 are like the marketing points of the new Intel chipset
And both are useless
You also need some hella beefy cooling for them
Just seems like a big early adopter tax to me

[mossy venture]

Am4 will not have much upgrade path, as well as spending more money for less performance

The 5800x is as hot as the 5950x

They almost require an aio, and they DO require atleast a 280mm if running pbo or manually ocing

[tawny violet]

Last I checked it really isn't unless you OC them

But eh

[mossy venture]

12700f is $14 more than the 5800x and beats the 5900x

[tawny violet]

Honestly I'd just not build rn from scratch
Cuz everything is up in the air

[mossy venture]

Not to mention 12400f is enough to pair with a 3090 ti (not that anyone should be buying that thing)

[tawny violet]

I find that hard to believe

I mean you can pair any CPU with a 3090 Ti (not that the 3090 Ti has basically any place for the sort of price that you'd have to pay for it)

It'll run
But it'll not be happy

[cyan sedge]

Any setup desk recommendations?, at least 60 inches ☺️

[mossy venture]

Yes, yes it will

It'll be perfectly fine, especially at 4k

[tawny violet]

12400k is 6 core?

Or is that a different one

[mossy venture]

Even if 4k gaming is a meme, most idiots that are buying 3090 ti for gaming are going to buy a 4k monitor

Core count does not mean much for gaming performance

[tawny violet]

Tell that to a 2-core CPU

Anyway

I'm just trying to identify the Intel lineup properly

Cuz I have a feeling I'm mixing something up

I do think that
At the end of the day
There is competition in CPUs
Which is good for us consumers

[mossy venture]

Ok

12100f is a 4 core cpu and is fine to pair with a 3080 at 1440p :D

Though if you're spending $700+ on a gpu you should be able to spend $60 extra on a 12400f

[tawny violet]

Next gen Ryzen is around the corner
As is next gen Intel chips
Stuff's gonna get wild if any of the rumors/leaks are true

I have high hopes for next gen

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/9sZypXG.png would you repaste at these temps reason why i ask is bc if it goes any high gpu will start to limit GPU wattage

[fossil cedar]

Well what your GPUs fan curve?

[muted carbon]

hey

which cpu i buy then

[analog pulsar]

Performace mode so probs 100%

[fossil cedar]

Probably not, check in msi afterburner

[analog pulsar]

that has no info

[fossil cedar]

12400f, usually

[muted carbon]

and pair it with 3080?

[fossil cedar]

With a 3080 I'd go 12600k(f) depending on price diff or 12700f

[muted carbon]

i see

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/RGmcZ4C.png oh fans running 3500-3700 let me enable this

[frank stirrup]

is dis laptop

[fossil cedar]

Ngl I don't know how that theme works, but didn't realize it was a laptop, probably normalish temps

[fossil cedar]

Oui

[frank stirrup]

no baguette only english

smh

read the rules

[muted carbon]

this the build you told me you rather go with https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bVJVmr

[fossil cedar]

Well that's a 3070

[muted carbon]

hm

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar brb gunna test something

[muted carbon]

so i pair the 12400f with the 3070?

[fossil cedar]

1240(f) or 12600k(f) depending on the budget

[muted carbon]

my budget is 1430$

yesterday the other guy send me 2 build that included pairing a 12400f with a 3080

then after a while

he send me multiple build

then i got confussed

[fossil cedar]

You're not getting a 3080 build for 1430

Also why so exact

[muted carbon]

idk

then

1400$

[fossil cedar]

Also do you need wifi?

For a 3080 you're looking at 1500 min

Well actually

[muted carbon]

yea i need wifi

because i dont have ethernet

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GKFGbK

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar do you know any software that might be able to control laptop fans

[fossil cedar]

Probably something proprietary from the manufacturer

[earnest olive]

most laptops have proprietary ECs to control the fans

so you'll just need to use whatever solution is provided to you by the manufacturer

[analog pulsar]

no they shut that down

[earnest olive]

i think lenovo legion doesn't have very good fan control options

this is all i see for this lenovo legion lol

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/wSPE0UA.png

[earnest olive]

i'll never complain about my MSI laptop's fan control again after seeing this

[analog pulsar]

I have that but I think performace mode is tied to CPU temp bc when my cpu temp lowers so does fan speed

[earnest olive]

oooh i wonder if i can use that

cause this laptop is an older legion

i probably can

[analog pulsar]

and gpu temp goes up

https://i.imgur.com/d8TgabZ.png well seeems like it does control my fans so i did this

[earnest olive]

oh yeah it lists this model as compatible

thanks kenzie

[analog pulsar]

lol

[earnest olive]

never knew about this

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive read this

[earnest olive]

yeah

but it doesn't make a difference for a 2020 laptop does it

[analog pulsar]

program shut down

bc many laptops wouldnt work

[earnest olive]

it's not like it's gonna stop working for a model it already supports

[analog pulsar]

even if 2021 or 2022

[earnest olive]

oh yeah it's working alright

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive do you know DDR5 laptop safe temps

[earnest olive]

like of the ddr5 itself?

[analog pulsar]

well ram sticks yea

like safe operating temps

https://i.imgur.com/mPoPPD8.png well high temp didnt go off but i got 73C on it

[earnest olive]

id imagine you dont need to worry about it for jedec ddr5

[analog pulsar]

probs

[earnest olive]

anyways yeah this app works on this laptop

cool

if only i could figure out how to undervolt it

[analog pulsar]

ill have to check out bios later

[muted carbon]

hey the cooler and psu are not available in newegg

can you send me

a different cooler and psu that is in neweeg

[fossil cedar]

Why you buying everything off of Newegg and limit yourself like that?

[jagged ember]

me and my homies love newegg

that's why

[hallow glen]

damn that is amazing for 1400 dollars wth

[analog pulsar]

one moment

there was swear

@earnest olive i need to show you something

https://i.imgur.com/Zb88uPX.png

my laptop broken

I'm talking to legion discord chat and he says this isn't normal

For laptop

Other people have like fan set to certain temps Mines not built like that

theres like a way to figure out fan speed from some number and figure out how laptop runs

https://i.imgur.com/ZkHRceS.png see numbers

https://i.imgur.com/VyRmdA4.png he says my fan curve is tghis

[analog pulsar]

So we figured out my fans are being locked at 3700RPMs

Won't go higher

They suppose to do 4700

But they locking up for some reason

[potent portal]

Bad fans and fan designs happen. Just because the fan is rated at 4700 doesn't mean it will. It could go 4300 and still be within spec. Then on top of that if the intake or exhaust design is bad that could increase air resistance, slowing it further. And then there's the possibility that something is rubbing on the fan which could cause noise and slow speeds.

[analog pulsar]

Well cpu is 80C at 30W and gpu is 84C at 150W if any higher

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[potent portal]

There's just so many things that go into how fast a fan goes it's hard to find a root cause/causes

[analog pulsar]

Well people's 2021 laptops run there full fan speed but some reason this one isn't

[analog pulsar]

I see

[potent portal]

Design can be ruled out then, but not rubbing since manufacturing tolerances are a thing

[analog pulsar]

Also legion fan control runs fans at 4800

That's what the sensor says

[potent portal]

Does hwinfo agree with that speed?

[analog pulsar]

There's no fan speed

[potent portal]

That sounds super sketchy

[analog pulsar]

alienware didnt have it ewither

https://i.imgur.com/oJiIL6s.png only way to get fan speed is through what ever this is or legion fan control

[potent portal]

If it turned out that Lenovo was fudging the numbers I wouldn't be surprised

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/taGDfpj.png see itr can go to 4800 here but performace mode it wont go above 3700

some reason its locked out

https://i.imgur.com/8kSdBsN.png

[potent portal]

Could be so many things at this point, I'd just RMA/exchange it

But I'm quicker to call that than others lol

[analog pulsar]

sad okay

[analog pulsar]

we will see

somone mention bois upgrade/downgrade and i was like idk if i wanna do that he was like yea RMA easier LOL

[empty pollen]

had the luck of a relative living on the us... bought my 850 g6 from amazon, and now my sis rig is comin full swing :D... short story: too sad the g6 is oos from newegg for like weeks by now and evga site dont sell outside us nor courier companies

[analog pulsar]

does legion have RMA been looking but doesnt seem, like it

[forest briar]

every tech company has rma....

[rich void]

They have rma. If you got basic support just Google Lenovo support and contact them. If you got a higher tier of support look that up and contact them

[analog pulsar]

i did just upgrade support i have to wait 24 hours it says to update

it made me call from pc

https://i.imgur.com/SwZOKxc.png

https://i.imgur.com/gyok7JB.png i mean maybe support call back

[jagged ember]

wtf

what kinda call is on pc

that's kinda ass

[worn wave]

What?

They have a normal customer service number.

[analog pulsar]

idk i clicked "click on call' and it asked to put my number in then it started on my pc

[analog pulsar]

I dont think guy could hear me bc he kept saying hello

[cyan ravine]

Did it open a phone app on the pc

[analog pulsar]

no

started call in browser

[cyan ravine]

Ehhh

[worn wave]

It would be stupid if they forced you to download a "phone" app.

[cyan ravine]

Straight up skype

No no windows has a phone app built in

[analog pulsar]

windows already downloads it

[worn wave]

Since when?

I do not have it preinstalled.

[cyan ravine]

It's called 'Your phone'

Been there as far as I can remember on 10

[worn wave]

I use Enterprise so it most likely is not pre-installed.

[analog pulsar]

yea it was on 10

[cyan ravine]

Ah fair enough

[analog pulsar]

oh i see

[worn wave]

That can't make calls for you though can it?

[analog pulsar]

it can

[worn wave]

Does it just bluetooth to your phone?

[analog pulsar]

yea

[cyan ravine]

Using your actual phone yes

[worn wave]

Lmfao

[cyan ravine]

Not a browser skype call lol

[worn wave]

Is that the crap that forces you to use the Android Microsoft Launcher?

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/48hxLOX.png

[cyan ravine]

No idea, I just know it exists because I used to kill the app a lot before I'd run benchmarks

I don't actually use it

[strong raft]

Someone trying hard to sell this qlc stuff.

[analog pulsar]

@worn wave also android has this in settings

i can play phonme game on pc LOL

[soft bison]

Finally back into the game of pc building, anyone have any build suggestions for a $1400 - $1500 purely-for-gaming setup? Don't need keyboard mouse or monitor, thanks

*1440p gaming

[desert gulch]

Pato made this great list earlier https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GKFGbK

[soft bison]

Awesome, thanks man!

[desert gulch]

np

[soft bison]

Unfortunately my 1050 is no longer cutting it lol, 3080 will be nice upgrade

[desert gulch]

hell yeah

[muted carbon]

how much watt i need for 3080

750 or 850?

[mossy venture]

I would get an 850, but the model matters a lot as well

I would get the 850 g6

It's an A tier unit and $105

[cyan ravine]

but also a 12400f would mean a 750W works too

Depends on the pairing

[potent portal]

750 is technically fine if you have a low power CPU but you do still run the risk of transient loads tripping protections and shutting off.

[mossy venture]

It would work, but 3080 transients can get high

So I would get an 850 to be safe, especially $15 over the g6 750

[viral ore]

or just look for a psu that can properly handle transient loads

p sure wattage is irrelevant in this regard, and if the psu cant handle it, it cant handle it, regardless of wattage

altho its somewhat expected that a higher wattage psu can

[cyan ravine]

There's also situations where you can go over 750W itself, not preferred but I can't imagine it with a 65W cpu and 650W transient

[desert gulch]

typically youd have better luck with ocp on a good 850 rather than a good 750

in terms of having a nice hungry ampere card

[cyan ravine]

Ofc but if I can run a 330W CPU and a 3080 on a good 850W, then a good 750W should definitely work

A 12400F is not on the same level

[desert gulch]

fully depends on the specific unit and where they set ocp

[cyan ravine]

Ofc

But 850 imo is overcompensating

[desert gulch]

i mean, ggood had his 3080 (ti maybe?) tripping ocp on his rev df 850

[viral ore]

a 650w transient spike doesnt use up 650 of your available watts on your psu.

[desert gulch]

granted, thats a multi rail unit only, but still

ocp can be a killa

[fair pewter]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M8H2W4 review please

[cyan ravine]

👍

you could save maybe $5-$10 on the cooler but that's it really

[runic spruce]

If u trying to save a couple bucks check out evga b stock

Nvm there out of stock of the ftw3 stock

Only have xc3s for 650

[cyan ravine]

those aren't bad, below msrp

10g tho, but price wise the difference is justified

ok give me a couple minutes @pale shore

[pale shore]

Alr

[cyan ravine]

what kind of editing btw

[rugged anvil]

i keep thinking this is ghostie

[pale shore]

Cod montages amvs etc

[cyan ravine]

1080p? 1440p? 4k?

@pale shore

what resolution are you gunning for

[pale shore]

Sorry back

1440p

[cyan ravine]

ok perfect

[pale shore]

Or 4k

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZbRvd9

[pale shore]

BTW what's the difference between 3080 and 3080ti

[cyan ravine]

actually hold on I'm gonna change the fans rq

[pale shore]

Thanks alot

Ok

[cyan ravine]

there fixed it, put p14's in instead so it looks more flush for $8

[cyan ravine]

between a 3080 12g and a 3080 Ti it's less than 5%

but price wise it's a lot cheaper

[mossy venture]

Not much

About 3%, and a lot of money

[cyan ravine]

you could also consider this 3080 for a bit less but still be close

https://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=8

[pale shore]

Mhm

BTW can you upgrade power supply to like 1000 watt

Cuz I'm be using this for a long time

And upgrading

[cyan ravine]

future proofing the psu will make no sense long term with atx 3.0 coming

[pale shore]

And is the motherboard the traditional atx or ser

[cyan ravine]

m-atx but the full size version is still fine

[pale shore]

Can you tell me a full size Rgb one

[cyan ravine]

do you mind white?

cos there's a decent rgb one in white on the cheap

[pale shore]

I have 1000$ more

I can afford it

[cyan ravine]

or alternatively you could get phanteks neon strips

which aren't a lot and you can run it around the mobo for similar effect

[pale shore]

A good black rgb

[pale shore]

But IDK how to do that lol

[fair pewter]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M8H2W4

I buy all these part then put them together?
do i need to do anything for the pc to run?

[pale shore]

And can upgrade fans to Rgb too

[cyan ravine]

install windows

[cyan ravine]

hmmm

[mossy venture]

P12 argb

[pale shore]

You see I collected for a long tims

[mossy venture]

Rgb on a motherboard isn't really useful, you dont see it much

[cyan ravine]

Lol I'm tryna pick a cheap rgb mobo for this

[pale shore]

For g
This dress build

[cyan ravine]

I might end up switching to amd in a minute

[mossy venture]

What

[pale shore]

Dream

[mossy venture]

Nein

[pale shore]

Lol

[pale shore]

Nooooooo I hate and it's just bad idek why

[mossy venture]

You don't see rgb on a motherboard much at all, i wouldn't worry about it. You can add rgb strips in afterwards if you want more rgb

[pale shore]

Ok

But what about Rgb fans

[cyan ravine]

like phanteks neons

[mossy venture]

Rgb fans, p12 argb

[cyan ravine]

p12 or p14 argb

[pale shore]

Can u add them in the list Felix pls

[cyan ravine]

sure

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rrtnyK

that's the maximum I would get, minimum 2

minimum is also kind of ideal

[mossy venture]

Throw in tridentz ram

[cyan ravine]

yea I can

or sp rgb

[mossy venture]

Also possibly g360a, if they don't require matx

[cyan ravine]

they want an o11

[mossy venture]

P31 might be nice as well, depending on the price on it rn

Ah ok

If they've got that much extra to spend, I'd throw in a p31

Possibly 2tb p31 or s70 blade

[pale shore]

Thanks a lot

Now that I look at it nzxt did drain slot of money

[cyan ravine]

.

nzxt is a money pit for no serious gain in most respects

[pale shore]

True

[cyan ravine]

their mice, psu's and headphones are exceptions

[pale shore]

Damn the shipping costs are higg

[mossy venture]

Nzxt is ass

Do you not live in the US?

[mossy venture]

^

[pale shore]

Nope

[mossy venture]

What country do you live in

[cyan ravine]

what country and what currency

[pale shore]

I live in ksa

[cyan ravine]

ooof

[pale shore]

Sar

[mossy venture]

Ah

[cyan ravine]

this build might be pushing your budget tbh

[mossy venture]

So unlikely you can buy parts there at a reasonable price

[cyan ravine]

oh the psu was gone for some reason I fixed it

lel

[mossy venture]

I'd check how much that list is after shipping

If not within budget can tone it down on some stuff

[cyan ravine]

iirc KSA has some crazy premiums on pc parts

[mossy venture]

Likely just switching back to mp33 would put you back in budget

[pale shore]

OK so Imma sleep now

Thanks a lot

And order tmmrw

[cyan ravine]

👍

[pale shore]

Kinda ye

[final void]

its been a couple years since I've built a PC so I was wondering can anyone gimme a good parts list for a $2k budget PC (Main use will be editing/rendering/school and a bit gaming) tyty

someone pls ty

[mossy venture]

Do you need wifi on the motherboard

And do you care about rgb

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HMrD78

[final void]

I don’t really need WIFI cuz its gonna run thru ethernet and RGB doesn’t really matter

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6g4stn

There you go

You won't gain much from spending more

Could put in a 12900f if you really wanted, but imo not really worth it

3090/ti would just be redundant (I don't think that's the right word, but I think you get my point)

[obsidian wigeon]

imo I would go lower with 12600kf

but that's just my opinion

[mossy venture]

Editing/rendering depending on what might be worth

[obsidian wigeon]

true

[mossy venture]

With a 2k budget I'd just get the 12700f

$50 diff vs $170 extra for a 12900f

From 12700f to 12900f that is

[obsidian wigeon]

i just like saving money kek

but im not against that

[cyan ravine]

2 cores for $50 tho

[mossy venture]

If I were building, 12600kf would be my choice, since I'm just gaming

[obsidian wigeon]

like i said

[mossy venture]

But for some tasks the 12700f is worth it

[obsidian wigeon]

just my opinion, take it as you will

[final void]

If it’s not too big of a difference it’s not too big of a deal spending the money for it

And I mean its 300 bucks under the budget so its not bad

Flexible enough

[mossy venture]

If your editing/rendering relies on cpu, I would very much recc the 12700f

If you need more storage for your editing, you do technichally have the budget for more ssd storage but id just get a 4tb x300 (hdd)

[cyan ravine]

if you need a new monitor, an M27Q-P would be good on top

none of the backlight issues, good colour accuracy, and fast ips

[mossy venture]

And storage is super easy to add extra of later on anyways

[final void]

I’m good with monitors I have a decent one

[cyan ravine]

ok

[final void]

ty tho

Hyped to finally get a PC thats not on a strict low budget

I’d die having to do it with the current market

[mossy venture]

@cyan ravine your fav psu deal is back in stock

[cyan ravine]

[strong raft]

Think I'd happily pay an extra $20 just for the 7+ yr warranty. EDIT: $20 or so, not specifically for the GT perhaps and/or 850w.

[mossy venture]

wym?

its $70 new?

[cyan sedge]

Is the msi mag z690 tomahawk motherboard a bad choice?

[mossy venture]

yes

what cpu are you running?

or planning to run

[cyan sedge]

12700k

[mossy venture]

do you plan to overclock it?

[cyan sedge]

Slightly 😳

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qnwypg/msi-pro-z690-a-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a thisll do fine

[tawny violet]

@mossy venture Question is whether LGA 1700 will still live in a year

considering the numerous issues with cooler pressure/IHS warping and so on

also it's Intel, new socket every year with no backwards compatibility go brrr

[stoic island]

next gen is on lga1700

Intel is typically new socket every other year

[still roost]

BlAckH0le#3846 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tawny violet]

scree

So

with the thermal goopshow that happened, along with the IHS literally warping, the retention being uneven and cooking CPUs

Do you seriously need to void your warranty to cool your CPU without risking damage to it due to the stock retention mechanism being bad?

at that point you spent thousands on a setup that has features nobody uses and by the time people will, it'll be past-gen
Just doesn't seem reasonable to me

[stoic island]

I mean, it doesn't matter in most cases, Intel says its not worth caring about, and in general, I really don't see it as a issue in general, you don't need to void your warranty to do anything, hell, it's probably an excuse to get a free CPU

[tawny violet]

It's like milking your own customers then banking on them being blind enough to buy your stuff again in a year when the newest, shiniest stuff comes out, at which point the older stuff might start being actually usable in real life

[stoic island]

Sure it might mean a few degrees in extreme cases, and you could get accessories to make it easier, but at that point, there's many other mods you can do

[stoic island]

Intel hasn't been banking on any features this gen, hell, they took off avx-512, this time, they're actually competitive in the normal performance that we care about

[tawny violet]

yes I'll admit that I really don't like how blatantly Intel does it, and I know AMD isn't a savior with this matter but at least AMD is trying to hide it and actually give value for the money and support boards as old as 3 years ago

At the risking of sounding like a fanboy
I think an average of ~10 fps less is worth if it means I don't fuel Intel's schemes

Mind you that we're talking 140 instead of 150 at this level

[stoic island]

To be honest, AMD maintaining a socket for 4 years is only good for marketing, I don't really see it as actually useful, using a zen 3 chip on b350 has only become possible recently and doesn't really make sense with most b350 boards not having good enough vrms to make it worthwhile

[stoic island]

I see no schemes here this time, this isn't Intel refresh the same product again, Intel is actually being competitive pricing and performance wise, and I think we should commend them for that

no more 14nm+++++++++ that's only 2% better

[tawny violet]

Maybe not a 5950x in a B350, sure

How about a 5600x?

a 6core in a budget B350 for solely gaming at 1080p to me is a pretty compelling argument

[stoic island]

Only became possible recently, 5800x3d still incompatible, it's not even official support, and most b350 boards' vrms are bad enough to warrant a new board, and lastly, no PCIe 4.0

[tawny violet]

you don't need to spend another 100 bucks if you have a totally functional mobo

[stoic island]

PCIe 4.0 wouldn't matter much unless AMD started limiting some bandwidth for some dumb reason on some budget GPUs

oh wait

they did

:p

[tawny violet]

You really don't saturate 4.0 as is

like

[stoic island]

You will when it's 4.0 x4

In most cases, you're fine

[tawny violet]

Who uses x4 slots for GPUs?...

[stoic island]

AMD, look at the RX 6500

[cyan ravine]

Yes, Intel won't admit to the fault of the retention pressure being uneven, so the best help comes from the contact frame mod, or lesser help from washer mods and the backplate mod

[tawny violet]

Most of which voids your warranty as per Intel saying so

[cyan ravine]

Yes, that's them refusing to admit the issue

[tawny violet]

My point exactly
Intel is simply NOT your friend period

[cyan ravine]

That could always change in time though. Nothing's permanent

[stoic island]

Anyways, I see no schemes, there's good performance on the table, and a problem you can resolve if you want to independently of Intel.

[tawny violet]

neither is AMD, but AMD isn't so outspoken about it

[stoic island]

No company is your friend, you should buy what makes sense to you, not buy the company you like

[tawny violet]

Say goodbye to your warranty if you do solve it though
"Here, have a flawed product you paid an arm and a leg for, and if you solve the flaw you get shafted, have a nice day"

[cyan ravine]

AMD isn't being friendly rn by not bringing their cpu and board prices down much to meet the competition

[stoic island]

Same thing with Intel saying xmp voids warranty

hell, it's illegal if you really want to pull that card

[tawny violet]

Because that is consumer friendly

[tawny violet]

they're focusing on the next gen already

[stoic island]

And well, Intel doesn't have to know if you don't tell them

[stoic island]

just as a poke to AMD, they're really not being budget friendly by going ddr5 only next gen :p

[tawny violet]

Intel is not at all budget friendly for fueling scalpers either ;p

[stoic island]

..?

[cyan ravine]

That doesn't mean anything if they're slipping their market share back again due to alder lake tho. As 2222 said, no company is a friend. AMD doesn't think they need to bring themselves down a peg to compete

[stoic island]

where does scalpers come in lol

[tawny violet]

DDR5 is still being scalped to hell and back
And nobody cares because F the users

[stoic island]

Intel is committing to supporting ddr4 on 12th gen AND 13th gen

[cyan ravine]

Yes but alder lake supports ddr4?

And rpl as well yes

Amd isn't doing that for zen 4

[stoic island]

also, just realized, @tawny violet go back to updating PFC, it's in your name :p

[tawny violet]

Negatory

[tawny violet]

Not like you have DDR4 boards available for Alder Lake (from what I can find) anyway

and that's current gen

[cyan ravine]

You absolutely do have ddr4 boards available

[stoic island]

cheap end random example
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NWF1JQC

there's a ton of them

[cyan ravine]

Also btw @tawny violet there are certain cpu coolers that actually work to the warping, the H150i is an example because of how convex the coldplate is

[stoic island]

118 boards
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#xcx=0&s=40&L=4

[tawny violet]

Ah yes the classic solution of
"Nahhh who cares someone else is gonna solve it anyway"

[cyan ravine]

That's not someone else solving it what

H150i came first

[tawny violet]

Wait I forgot we're about 2 years behind the market here lmfao

[cyan ravine]

Lol

[tawny violet]

I'm being satirical

[stoic island]

oh right

[cyan ravine]

That's not satirical it's misguided lol

[tawny violet]

An attempt was made lmao

alright anyhow

[stoic island]

no amazon.de to hungary?

[tawny violet]

I see Intel as an overtly scummy company (even for multinational megacorps)

[tawny violet]

Nope, only if you pay the government premium for foreign-seller goods

[stoic island]

oh right the commie is still in charge of hungary

rip

[tawny violet]

which is rougly 25 bucks on top of VAT which you have to pay twice (once to the seller's nation, and then to the gov here)

and shipping, no free shipping here

[cyan ravine]

I feel for the people of Saudi Arabia paying like 60-80% more on pc parts

[stoic island]

I think it's best not to personify companies, everyone wants money, I just try to take things at face value

[tawny violet]

I'M not claiming we have it the worst
But we do have it pretty flipping bad here

[stoic island]

I hate companies for offering bad performance for the price, not really what they do

I'm a hypocrite, but that doesn't matter

[tawny violet]

What I hate is going out of your way to deny a fairly easy solution to a very much present problem and just pretend there is no problem at the cost of screwing people who sought to solve it by different means

[cyan ravine]

Every company does it

Cos it costs money to fix things

Look at nzxt

It only took a bunch of fires and public slander to make them change their fire hazard of a case

[mossy venture]

5600x launched at $300, and then over what, 18 months later launched a 5600 with near identical performance and is much cheaper

[cyan ravine]

Or gigabyte, to this day still won't acknowledge their psu issues

[mossy venture]

Companies do not give a flying frap about value for us

[stoic island]

Also, I think you might've read too much into it, more of a direct quote, they just don't want you to modify things in case of, well, screwing something up

"... We strongly recommend against any modifications to the socket or independent loading mechanism. Such modifications would result in the processor being run outside of specifications and may void any product warranties." —Intel Spokesperson to Tom's Hardware.

[tawny violet]

Wait you mean them selling bombs that can supply power to parts?

or isn't it Gigabyte who had exploding PSUs?

[stoic island]

gigabyte kinda acknowledged it, but they never acknowledged that their cost cutting was the problem

[mossy venture]

Gigabyte gas bombs

[cyan ravine]

They still sell them, afaik they haven't really been changed. They launched a different line instead

[stoic island]

Also, they fixed it in the background

[mossy venture]

I would never buy one of their psus, even after they fixed their issues.

I won't touch Thermaltake psus either, even if they have a couple good ones

Won't touch gamesmax, aresgame, though those are both known for being absolute ass, and cutting as many corners as possible

[tawny violet]

Honestly if I have the money, I'm more than likely reaching for Corsair PSUs

[mossy venture]

Corsair has a couple good psus

And a couple awful ones

[stoic island]

What happened was we had exploding PSUs for a year, GB did nothing, GN makes a video, says GB cheaped out on switching fets and caps and such, GB goes and says "oh our bad it was actually the protections that were too loose", offers to change that for current owners, and then in the background fixed the original issue

[mossy venture]

Same wirh most brands

[cyan ravine]

Blankly grabbing for a brand is how you end up with playing the quality lottery

[mossy venture]

Evga has some great ones, (a lot of great and good ones), and some literal bombs

[stoic island]

As usual,

[mossy venture]

G6 is currently the psu to go for, there's a tier list pinned in #cases-psu-and-cooling

[tawny violet]

I've never had any problems with Corsair PSUs in any range I used any thus far

[stoic island]

Corsair has like one bomb, but some that might just fail on you, couple of whiney ones, and all of them expensive

[mossy venture]

G6 is an A tier psu, and is one of the best

[mossy venture]

Then you likely have not owned a cv or cxm

[tawny violet]

there were a couple that was somewhat whining, but not too badly

[stoic island]

G6 is an improved Seasonic focus, same platform with upgrades

[cyan ravine]

My faulty one was out of the serial range that they offered replacements for tho, to me it wasn't really fixed

[stoic island]

CX-m is 50-50 if you get a unit that whines

sadly, but what we know is that later units no longer exploded, so GB fixed it at some point

[mossy venture]

Cv under 650w is terrible, the 650w and higher is a diff platform but I still don't trust it

[stoic island]

the hec unit is okay iirc

[cyan ravine]

Older corsair psus there's quite a lot of bad, but also some stunningly good ones

[stoic island]

luke is around, you can go talk to him if you want

[mossy venture]

I just avoid anything below b tier, with a few in b tier that I avoid. I dont see a point of saving $10-$15

Not when it's something so important

[stoic island]

There was a guy who was using like a 8 year old Corsair enthusiast TX in a new build, it was still working fine

[tawny violet]

Yeah PSU is something you just don't want to cheap out on

[mossy venture]

Mhm. Though I did just techniahlly buy a $50 850w psu lol

B stock 850 gt

Handles transients well

[stoic island]

B stock does have good deals

[cyan ravine]

But that one is special

[tawny violet]

It's not worth saving 20 bucks if you have to risk blowing up your system of many hundreds of dollars

[stoic island]

As with everything else, it takes some research

[mossy venture]

I would've pulled my rmx from my current build, but im trying to leave it mostly whole

I'll probably keep the gt and hope that 50 series doesn't have ungodly transients

[cyan ravine]

Ooooo here's a brilliant example, alienware

[tawny violet]

screams in R13 Aurora

[cyan ravine]

A brand so caught in it's hole it still uses a pc case worthy of itself 20 years ago

[obsidian wigeon]

alienware actually has good psus

just to add

[stoic island]

(insert https://youtu.be/wtaHNUmQ7Mk)

[cyan ravine]

So numb to feedback the re-engineered fans and mobos to fit the use case

The psu's are great wall based aren't they?

[stoic island]

they use some other oem so

[obsidian wigeon]

dell consumer lineup became worse for pcs

[stoic island]

not really their psu

[obsidian wigeon]

true

[tawny violet]

Imagine making front panel IO by literally just having your mobo poke through the case

[cyan ravine]

Iirc it's great wall their psu oem

[obsidian wigeon]

the case in itself is already non atx tbh

[cyan ravine]

Might not be the only one tho

[obsidian wigeon]

so dell did it lmao

dell quit atx a long time

[stoic island]

mmm

[obsidian wigeon]

or matx

[stoic island]

why make case io when you can just change your mobo

[cyan ravine]

Sticking a vrm on a mobo fit for a 12400 and using a 12900K in it

On a 120 aio

That R15 was horrible

[stoic island]

cheap out on a cooler by using an intel stock cooler with brackets on a 5800x

[cyan ravine]

Was it 5800x or 5950x?

Not that it matters

Both are stupid

Alienware is a perfect example of just not caring for the world

Can't remember the last time I ever saw alienware peripherals in any positive light either, the monitors are exceptions tho

[tawny violet]

and yet people still fall for it if they don't know because Dell marketing go brrrr

[obsidian wigeon]

marketing is indeed a powerful tool

[stoic island]

I found it again, it was a 5800
https://youtu.be/8ulhFi5N2hc

[obsidian wigeon]

dell also enjoys sneaking warranty subscription

when you buy from dell site

[cyan ravine]

Oh 5800

That's right it was the first emergence of the non-x oem sku

[stoic island]

weird stuff

[cyan ravine]

Insane standards

[tawny violet]

the funny thing

I can build a system with the same parts, a good PSU and a whole set of peripherals, with a 4k 120hz monitor for the price

in basically a day

but for whatever reason people still fall for it

[stoic island]

the "my parent wouldn't let me" crowd

[cyan ravine]

Or too scared to build

[stoic island]

It's irrational, but oh well

there's better options than dell

[tawny violet]

I wonder if there are any actually good prebuilts that I can recommend to people

[stoic island]

sometimes abs has decent deals

[obsidian wigeon]

it's simply funny

how dell can make good laptops

[stoic island]

But well, getting a worthwhile prebuilt is dependent on deals

[obsidian wigeon]

but they intentionally mess up on desktops

[stoic island]

dell servers are still pretty decent

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

but their consumer brand

nope

[stoic island]

oh well, we can get behind hating dell's consumer desktop lineup

[cyan ravine]

Harder for them to mess up a 30K device and a business armed with lawyers and contracts than a 2K one with a lone individual

[stoic island]

lol

[tawny violet]

7000-series AMD GPUs could be spicy though

[stoic island]

Hoping for offerings from both sides to be spicy

(screw you Intel make a better GPU first then we'll talk)

[tawny violet]

I think team green ain't gonna be really spicy

[stoic island]

Tsmc 7nm is pretty spicy

[tawny violet]

with the crypto crash, I'm expecting 4000 series to be lukewarm at best

and extremely power hungry

imagine the 3090/3090 Ti syndrome
But for an entire generation of GPUs

[stoic island]

As usual, just because the new spec for psus is higher, doesn't mean GPUs will necessarily need more power

And ampere had been pushed too far in terms of power

[analog pulsar]

What does a bios control on laptop

[tawny violet]

looks at modded cards chugging 700 watts

[stoic island]

Everything?

[tawny violet]

That is Ampere for you there :3

[stoic island]

Don't forget kinpin

But well, going back to old testing when ampere first came out, you could limit the power to like 80% while only losing something like 5% performance from iirc computerbase.de testing

[analog pulsar]

Sorry that's to vague let me try to simplify so can a bios mess with drivers not being able to install or camera issues or gpu fan rpm locking up

[stoic island]

Weird bios issues can mess with software, if some setting is related to the software, it shouldn't really mess with GPU fan rpm

In relation to camera, probably not, more of just a straight up software issue

Drivers, depends, probably not

[analog pulsar]

Well what if bios is linked to software that controls laptop for stuff

[stoic island]

And tbh, look at 295x2 and gtx690, it's not like we haven't had GPUs that drew a ton before

I just don't think we'll suddenly see power consumption jump that quickly today just in 2 generations after countless generations

[stoic island]

Laptop bios weird, can mess with laptop GPU fan, but I don't think it'll mess with camera?

[strong raft]

Perhaps not the best statement. Dual gpu & only 50% higher tdp than the 680.

[stoic island]

Yup, but look at power draw

400w in testing
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-gtx-690/26.html

[strong raft]

....

[analog pulsar]

@stoic island I got a legion 5i pro laptop and I was in general asking for help one day but what happened is I went to install Nvidia driver and I had internet access but when I got to us.download.com it would stop and say page took to long to run or something like that so I had a friend had to send me download file to run Nvidia drivers on the laptop

Next issue I ran into is when I would but my laptop into igpu mode only with the vantage software I had a green line on both my internal and external camera but when I switched my laptop back to igpu and dgpu mode green line gone

Lastly I had issues with my gpu fans so someone took a look into my laptop temps and fan speed so laptop comes with quiet, balance, performance mode we just looked at performance mode but when my gpu hits 81C or cpu hits 84C fans are supposed to go to 4700 but they arnt they are locking up at 3700 and not going any higher I was gunna rma laptop anyway but wanted to see if you could give any insight

[strong raft]

plus what 400w, here's from that TPU page. idk. Sure shows how reviews vary, but modern definitely stuff is definitely way more power hungry than in the past.

[stoic island]

Misread, but still not far off 3090
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/evga-geforce-rtx-3090-ftw3-ultra/29.html

And well, I didn't want to have to call on the overkill option, but here's 295x2
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-r9-295-x2/22.html

[stoic island]

Nvidia drivers sounds like probably internet/browser issues, beyond that, might as well rma for peace of mind

[analog pulsar]

Here's a little clip I recorded

[strong raft]

Back when AMD was getting trounced oftentimes, haha. I wonder what the transient numbers were like w/ some older cards. Anyways, at least overall efficiency has improved most gens. The 680 specifically looked pretty good compared to various others at the time.

[fossil cedar]

i mean you could have paid probably 5$ more for like the leadex iii but g6 nice

[analog pulsar]

Drivers download fine on my alienware (returned) I got but idk I used same browser and internet

[stoic island]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Something wrong with the download mirror at that specific time is possible

[analog pulsar]

Idk

[stoic island]

Ye, I'd say efficiency has improved more than we've just pulled more power

There's also the 3090 being more a titan card thing

But well, we shall see how next gen looks

[strong raft]

Indeed, then there's the 90 ti also that had wattage jump even more. 4090 (ti) is gonna be possibly hilarious w/ it's wattage

[midnight pelican]

Hey mr222

How r u

[stoic island]

Gud, u?

[stuck juniper]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/9m4stn

Wb thos

This

Can change cooler

[fossil cedar]

Why would you get a 5600x and pay that much for a motherboard tho

With that money you could do a 12600kf

[stuck juniper]

Ok then this

https://www.amazon.de/MSI-MPG-B550-Gaming-Plus/dp/B08B4V6H3N/ref=mp_s_a_1_17_sspa?keywords=b550&qid=1658393402&sr=8-17-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFPS0ZMUlRMSzJVQjgmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA1NzYwMDgyTjRBTlhHQ1FMM1Q1JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTEwMTUzNzNYOEpUUFFPOVVBSTUmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

[olive cypress]

^ it's better but i'd always recommend 12400(f) and b660

it may cost less and give you better performance

[stuck juniper]

What are some good cheap b660s

Ddr4

[fossil cedar]

Would do this
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/sQqRY9
Or
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Wq34Y9

[empty pollen]

in fact i was aiming at the enermax revolution, but the g6 was like 10-12 cheaper, and i was like... oh well, still golden unit on the list

enough for the strix 3080 im guessing

hey pato :), thoughts on the 660 tomahawk?

to land a 12700 there

[frank stirrup]

pretty decent but z690 a pro isnt much more

[empty pollen]

well, with wifi is like 215, thats 25 more D:

trying to stay on the 150-200 range

the 660 a pro only have 2 nvme slots, thats my drawback D:

[fossil cedar]

Too expensive in the us at least

[empty pollen]

and a lot of reviewers around place the tomahawk in high regard on the 660 lineup... but i like to hear thoughts from u guys

yeah, at 190 is an ouch, but the closer one is the aorus one

[fossil cedar]

How many m.2 skots tou want?

[empty pollen]

at least 3

[fossil cedar]

Dam boi

And wifi?

[empty pollen]

yeah, sadly when i tried to sell the idea, 2 were inneficient, but above 200 was a no go as well

not a need but a welcome plus

[fossil cedar]

Would grab this instead personally
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/m9Fbt6/asrock-z690-steel-legend-wifi-6e-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-steel-legend-wifi-6e

Also a decent option although I'm still sceptical about ddr4 600 boards from gigabyte mem frequency wise

[empty pollen]

that one from asrock is ok? heard a lot of awful things about asrock mobos

well, on the memory side it will run 3200c16 no manual tuning, just xmp

[fossil cedar]

Yeah asrock just make bad cheap motherboards their expensive ones are decent

Fair

[frank stirrup]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kZPQzy/gigabyte-b660-aorus-master-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660-aorus-master-ddr4
aorus master seems to be aight

[empty pollen]

yeah that was the other one pitting against the tomahawk

[fossil cedar]

@empty pollen z690 ud if only doing 3200c16

[empty pollen]

the asrock one seems pretty solid as well, only drwaback was the audio codec

noted as well, luckily i had like 2 weeks to buy the mobo+cpu combo so ill have plenty of time to fish one of those for 5 or 10 cheaper on some deal

have green light to upgrade from 12600kf to 12700f, that was easily 50 bucks more

ak620+vulcanz3200c16 already coming form egg and the p31+850g6 from amazon as my first package... should be arriving today at miami

more options on the mobo department means better chances to fish some sort of savings

[frank stirrup]

just dont use it

[empty pollen]

i have 0 knowledge on the audio department, but if she plugs her headphones that will be a problem?

she use the ones that every streamer use, the logitech g600 something

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

it's all fine

[empty pollen]

for now i have those 4 mobos then, now to wait one of them to drop like 5 to 10 bucks 😛

another "drawback" from the tomahawk is the no bios flashback but all the reviews say that the bios on that one is very good straight out of the box, unlike the aorus one which need a bios flashback to recognize the nvme due to old bios there... or so they say

at least the aorus have a flashback, so not a big problem anyway

[fossil cedar]

The z690 ud ac actually is the cheapest and best vrms afaik so only thing is only 3 m.2 slots

But you can always get sata ssds or pcie to m.2

[fossil cedar]

As long as you can get into bios you don't need flashback so not recognising the nvme wouldn't be an issue anyway

[empty pollen]

yeah the ud ac is the most appealing rn

the wifi version is 190 as the b660s but this one is 690 plus better vrms

but the reviews on egg are kinda strange, talking about ddr4 issues

those one are due old bios im guessing

[fossil cedar]

Sad it was 160 earlier

[obsidian wigeon]

gud vrms too

i wonder where the guy who said the ud was trash went to

[empty pollen]

yeah the vrms seems beefy, but the reviews on egg are concerning

if those things are easily solvable with a bios update then its no problem, im diggin in reviews on other sites as well

[obsidian wigeon]

gigabyte just has jank qc

other than that they're fine

just pray it doesn't happen

cause gigabyte support in the us is..

terrible

[cyan ravine]

As long as it's not for memory oc I think it'll be fine

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[cyan ravine]

Even then I think gigabyte is slowly working that part out, they've had a bad track record for it over ADL tho

[obsidian wigeon]

the guy who asked for mobo reccs just wanted one with good vrms

and io

[fossil cedar]

Maybe grab the z690 steel legend then @empty pollen

[cyan ravine]

Steel legend would fair better imo

[empty pollen]

yeah pretty much, the only downside on the asrock is the audio codec and that is meh, i can live with it

[obsidian wigeon]

can get a dac later

if you need to

[empty pollen]

yeah

[fossil cedar]

Meh front panel audio through chipset is usually better anyway

[obsidian wigeon]

cheapest option is that apple dongle

and it's pretty gud

[fossil cedar]

Cheapest option with 4 m.2 slots btw is z690 a pro wifi

[cyan ravine]

Msi?

Would be goat

[empty pollen]

man sometimes i feel bad to put you guys on this matter over and over everyday, you guys are amazing, thanks for all the help 😄 for now i have like 1 week more to wait for a "shell shocker" thing on the z690 to save some bucks

[obsidian wigeon]

at least you're not one of those people

who goes like "ok your list was good but imma do what i want instead"

those are annoying

[empty pollen]

yeah saw a lot of them lately, sad thing

[desert gulch]

And it's actually usually a 10th gen or 11th gen Intel list too lol

[jagged ember]

good list

but screw you

[empty pollen]

for now the last piece of the puzzle should be the 12700f xD but i doubt that one will be on sale anytime soon xD

[jagged ember]

I'm getting a Celeron with a 3090ti

32gb ddr5 ram at 4800 cl69

h510 elite with no extra fans

hyper 212

[desert gulch]

Nzxt kracken

$300 cooler

[jagged ember]

true

[desert gulch]

Just so I can make sure my temps are okay

Hyper 212 screen edition hasn't been announced yet sadly

[obsidian wigeon]

i want c*rsair ram only

it has rgb and looks good

[desert gulch]

Usually only a Sammy drive too

[obsidian wigeon]

and don't give me intel

[cyan ravine]

Would commit unalive if ever real

[obsidian wigeon]

gimme amd

amd is the best

[jagged ember]

yes

[obsidian wigeon]

and the amd shilling is confused cause they hate radeon gpus

[desert gulch]

https://c.tenor.com/ngpGMNNjAFIAAAAM/gigabyte-psu.gif

[cyan ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/gamersnexus-gigabyte-psu-grenade-incendiary-psu-gif-24370416

[plucky wraith]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ala264-challenger/p/N82E16883360178R?Item=N82E16883360178R&Description=abs&cm_re=abs-_-83-360-178R-_-Product&quicklink=true

is this a good deal idk much about pcs

[fossil cedar]

Single 8gb ddr5

[fossil cedar]

Speaking of h212, the black rgb version costs same amount as a farrrrr better cooler, guess the price/competitor same price in some country not gonna say which so you can't cheat

[fossil cedar]

It's fine but what's your budget

[analog pulsar]

Yes

Amazing

[empty pollen]

question about cpus: 12700f base clock frequency is low... that clk will automatically increase with good cooling or you need to twerks some bios setting in order to do that?

[obsidian wigeon]

base is just base

boost depends on cooling tho

[empty pollen]

on idle operation, like web browsing and such, the cpu will go down to its base frequency then and boost autamtically on loads like 3d rendering then?

or am i wrong?

trying to sell the idea of the 12700f against the 12600k here for cad applications, and need a good argument against the difference in base clock frequency between those

[obsidian wigeon]

cpu constantly boosts, especially on desktop

but yes

that's how turbo works

[empty pollen]

yeah, im already reading that as well, its an automatic process

[obsidian wigeon]

base clock is meaningless

as long as cooling allows, it will hit the maximum clock speed when load needs it

[empty pollen]

well the ak620 can handle that cpu

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

it will handle it

[empty pollen]

thx for answering my doubts foxxy 😄

[obsidian wigeon]

it's all good

[upper condor]

for 2k~ minus storage devices how good of a computer can you build?

1440p 144hz?

[mossy venture]

Yes

Without storage, 1.6 would get you 12700f 3080 12gb

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wHVWzf

yooo

b stock

https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=8&associatecode=SG6LFX7LRLICR2Y

[empty pollen]

wth

WADAAAAHELL

damn, i already paid 800 for the strix T_T

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

Surely that was a pricing error?

[mossy venture]

not sure, but either way its a great price

[viral ore]

either way it gone now

[mossy venture]

idk what the hell to call them but the mod with the weird name got one

[viral ore]

;-;

[fossil cedar]

Fatal

[formal girder]

would two sticks of 16gb ddr5 6400mhz cl36 for $250 be a bad deal

[obsidian wigeon]

i would say yes lol

you can get 32 gigs 3600c16 kit for way less

like only 152 rn for gskill trident z

and even lower for 3200c16 kit

[empty pollen]

well had a call that the 5000d its already in stock at my local retailer, goin to gift my sis pc with my 5000x and i will get a new D case by 180usd, just need some p12 to reinforce the new rig 😄

[obsidian wigeon]

it's silicon power tho

[empty pollen]

time for a shopping spree at egg again 😄

the 3080 will suffocate in the X anyway, so its a win-win

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/yIbotaq.png @obsidian wigeon ay its reutned safe and sound so time to RMA my legion laptop to 😳

[formal girder]

looking to get a itx ddr5 build for some new work

[mossy venture]

why ddr5

[formal girder]

so i can bring it to 14th gen and future upgrades since ill be skipping 13th gen for now

[oblique sage]

My bad I’m in like 200 servers workin and moving all day.

[oblique sage]

Thank you for the part picker

[fossil cedar]

Ddr5 isn't worth atm it unless you're going to manually oc and go like 12900ks balls to the wall tbh

[fossil cedar]

Just buy ddr5 when you do that

Ddr5 will be better and cheaper then

[formal girder]

ight

just figured while i had the money id get it now

[fossil cedar]

Nah to put it in ddr4 terms, why buy 16gb 2666mhz now for 80$ and a new motherboard when you can buy 16gb 3200c16 in 2 years time for $50

[rigid oracle]

doom eternal makes my gpu go to about 80 degrees which honestly isnt that bad

but it also makes my cpu get to 70 degrees

sometimes to 72

[jagged ember]

that's both fine

[rigid oracle]

and sometimes to 75

[jagged ember]

i would not worry until either goes to 90

[rigid oracle]

75 is the hottest i've seen my cpu

[rigid oracle]

i c, gpus can withstand more heat as far as im aware

like 90+ degrees is concerning for a gpu, but i read 80 degrees is concerning for a cpu

[potent portal]

DDR5 is good enough now, just get micron chips and tune the sub timings and you'll easily beat DDR4

[jagged ember]

wouldn't want anything to hit 90 yeah

that's worrying

[rigid oracle]

yeahh

i was thinking about buying a new cooler

[jagged ember]

doesn't seem like you need ot

temps are just fine

[rigid oracle]

the cpu fan i have came with my computer (prebuilt) so it could've been cheaply made

but yeah i think i'll keep it for a bit

[jagged ember]

my cpu with pbo on only reaches 80 with p95 smallffts

so

[jagged ember]

if it works, don't fix it

or something lol

unless you really want to

[rigid oracle]

im thinking about upgrading my gpu to the 40 series when it comes out, it depends on what the prices will be for those

but i have an rtx 3060 and it does pretty good as is

[jagged ember]

yeah, good idea

or you could just settle for 3060

will still be enough for at least a few years

[rigid oracle]

i mean, ive never really found a game that put my fps below 60

[jagged ember]

rust

[rigid oracle]

at least, not without intensive modifications

[jagged ember]

ark

lmao

[rigid oracle]

i dont play either games :)

[jagged ember]

but those are terribly optimized

[rigid oracle]

nice

minecraft w/ shaders goes to like 45 fps

but i dont play with shaders anyways

[jagged ember]

just render 15 blocks

ez

[rigid oracle]

yes

i was able to do 64 chunk render distance in java edition with a mod, combined with complimentary reimagined and i ran 30 fps

its actually amazing that it was playable

[jagged ember]

oof reimagined

just get volumetric

looks better lol

[rigid oracle]

volumetric?

[jagged ember]

the uhh

best one

[rigid oracle]

regular complimentary..?

[jagged ember]

might be remembering sildurs name

[rigid oracle]

volumetric is just like

one part of rendering things i think