building-and-recc-chat

[half iron]

yes USA

[empty pollen]

you could start with something like this, im sure the guys can improve that

forg you came at the rite time

[mossy venture]

I normally don't include monitor in budget

[half iron]

that is fine

[empty pollen]

tried to fit that on the 1200 window

but if he have a monitor already then you have like extra 200 for improvemnts here and there

[half iron]

it says that it has incompatibilities

[vague oracle]

I’d do this instead

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8hKVGL

[vague oracle]

Don’t worry about those

4000d doesn’t make sense when the G360A exists imo

[empty pollen]

noted

[vague oracle]

And 4000X is glass front panel

[empty pollen]

oh my bad

was 4000d

yeah the 4000x is bad

[vague oracle]

@half iron Do you already have a monitor?

[half iron]

no i dont

what is 4000d

[empty pollen]

airflow version of 4000x

[vague oracle]

Case

[half iron]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09ZX3QK1N/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A2UXO5LPTDY3LN&psc=1

is this good?

[empty pollen]

no

unless you are a video editor/creative producer

you wont notice gen3/gen4 speed difference

[half iron]

so just stick with this

[empty pollen]

mp33 is a beast at half the price

[strong raft]

Also might as well skip "gen 3.5" stuff when true gen 4 (6500+ MB/s) is often similar price. MP33 is usually value king though.

[half iron]

is this like the best for my budget bc i am going to stick to this pc for a long time

[vague oracle]

If you want to spend $20 over budget you could get a 6700xt

[empty pollen]

pretty much

[vague oracle]

But personally a 6600xt will be fine at 1080p

[empty pollen]

you can add more ram later if you want

but that pc is very good on your budget pal

[half iron]

ok thank you so much i was about to buy not good stuff but one question

how much difference is there in 6600xt and 6700xt

[empty pollen]

depending on the game something between 8 and 15 fps

[vague oracle]

20%

Roughly

[empty pollen]

if you can stretch your budget a lil bit go for 6700xt

[half iron]

i am trying to compare but there are alot of 6700xt on the pc builder wedsite

[vague oracle]

I’d go this if you don’t want to stretch budget https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N9wfFg

Still a better GPU but under budget still

[half iron]

it went down this time

[vague oracle]

LOL

[half iron]

wait lol 6600 or 6650

[vague oracle]

Welp, you’re paying less for a better GPU

6650xt is faster than 6600xt

[half iron]

lol ok i will add the 6650xt

[empty pollen]

yo guys, building a pc for a friend... cheaper and reliable 3080 12gb around?

[vague oracle]

Go on PCPP and find the cheapest one that isn’t Zotac or ventus

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wQNxFT/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-12gb-lhr-12-gb-ftw3-ultra-gaming-video-card-12g-p5-4877-kl

[empty pollen]

im biased to the ftw at 850... . just... because

yeah the same

[mossy venture]

Or this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MNTp99/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-12gb-lhr-12-gb-xc3-ultra-gaming-video-card-12g-p5-4865-kl

Both good cards, I forget which is better

[vague oracle]

My current card^

Love the thing

Don’t touch the XC3

[mossy venture]

Ah, is that the one with pad issues?

[vague oracle]

Cooler sucks on the XC3

[mossy venture]

Ahh

[vague oracle]

It’s like a 2 or 2.5 slot cooler iirc

[strong raft]

Asus TUF is better than the ftw3, just fyi. (Talking cooling)

[empty pollen]

welp, hes expecting a 500usd gpu.... going down to 6700-3070

[mossy venture]

Moy cheaper tho

[mossy venture]

Well, whats his total budget?

[empty pollen]

1100

[mossy venture]

Ye that isn't 3080 territory

Do they care about amd or nvidia?

[empty pollen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VpDdrD

hes an nvidia fan

thats the build i got him so far

[mossy venture]

And do they care about looks?

[empty pollen]

no, but the parts there are the part that he needs, he already has his case

and monitor

maybe i can cut some corners there, for a better gpu

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zVLXY9

[empty pollen]

stock cooler will work fine?

[vague oracle]

TUF is 2x8, FTW3 is 3x8 pin iirc so personally I’d take FTW3 over tuf any day even if the cooling is slightly better on the TUF

On a 12400f yeah

[mossy venture]

Ye, can get a 214xt if wanted

Also

What case did he get?

If you say any variant of h510 other than flow I'm going to cry

[empty pollen]

dunno, hes from venezuela

[mossy venture]

Ah

[empty pollen]

hes goin to mail everything from his courier at miami

trying to save as much as he can with the prime deals

[strong raft]

All good. I'll stick w/ the sub-400w gpus. Efficiency isn't a bad thing.

[vague oracle]

I like me my high power limits because of the high boost clocks

[strong raft]

TUF w/ an UV probably hits similar boost at load. Peak temps might end up working against the ftw3 anyways, but idk though. If it's a good price, go for it. Solid evga service/warranty.

[vague oracle]

Yeah both are really good cards

[empty pollen]

cutting corners on that 3070 for a 6600xt

he loved the price cut on the swft210 6600xt on his build xD

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XmWTzf final build, he is about to start looking for those parts at amazon

he is upgrading from a ryzen 2700+rx580 and no ssd

he will have a blast with that pc

[mossy venture]

Looks good

[empty pollen]

thx gang for the advice, have him very happy on another discord 😛

[plucky adder]

whats with the incompatibilities? is that not a red flag?

[topaz kestrel]

no

[plucky adder]

also for this one, you use that monitor, i found a pretty good looking monitor on amazon and just wanted to get an opinion. https://www.amazon.com/CRUA-Frameless-Computer-FreeSync-DisplayPort/dp/B09P7ZK4CJ/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=1IO7O8FIJSK0G&keywords=144hz%2Bcurved%2Bmonitor&qid=1657835359&sprefix=144hz%2Bcurved%2Caps%2C57&sr=8-2-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExVFNRVUVPRFNaT1BTJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMTQ2NDc0MjZOQVJHVkRZTlFNMCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMzYxMDgxMlNGTFFUU0ZES0IzUyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

is this a good switch? it's 10 dollars more but it's 27" instead of 23.5, and it's 144/165hz(and curved)

[topaz kestrel]

i havent ever heard of "crua" but im also not from the us, it could be good, but it could also just be trash

[mossy venture]

27in for 1080p is meh, and the brand isn't really known so I wouldn't trust it

[stoic island]

Keep in mind bigger doesn't mean better, with monitors, 1080p means 1920x1080 no matter the size of the monitor, so a 27inch 1080p monitor is going to have pixels spread out further and therefore look worse than 24inch 1080p monitor

[plucky adder]

hmm

[plucky adder]

what monitor would you recommend that is within a 180 dollar budget

i could go up to 200 but id prefer not to

[stoic island]

G24f is nice

And I mean, if you just need screen space for productivity or smth, you can get 27in 1440p 60hz/75hz monitors for somewhere around 200$

[potent portal]

MSI G241 is usually around $180

Or G242

[stoic island]

G24f might have better color accuracy iirc

And currently 160$

[plucky adder]

link?

[stoic island]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824012041

[plucky adder]

yeah it looks like a pretty good monitor and you can adjust the height

thanks

okay i just want to make sure, one last time, the motherboard i have right now says its incompatible with the CPU

is that okay?

[potent portal]

12th gen Intel I'm guessing?

[plucky adder]

Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core (CPU)

[stoic island]

If it's about the 12400f and b660m-a, it's a rare case of a weird stepping of the CPU being incompatible with one version of the bios

[plucky adder]

anything i can do to fix that? in the case that it doesnt work

[potent portal]

Yep 99.99% chance that 12400 will work on any H610/B660/Z690 out of the box

[plucky adder]

oh okay

just wanted to make sure

[little osprey]

guys my audio not working

[potent portal]

You'd have to be the unluckiest person I've ever seen to have it not work. It's more likely to be struck by lightning on the delivery truck.

[plucky adder]

oh okay

last thing

[stoic island]

Any other symptoms?

[potent portal]

Details? What speakers? What program? Volume levels? Etc

[little osprey]

c port not reconized by pc for some reason

[stoic island]

Front or rear io

[little osprey]

front

[stoic island]

Try rear io first

[plucky adder]

last thing i need is a tower case, the one that Alec put in his build is 90 dollars and im looking but dont really know what case i could use instead of that. Im looking for something a little cheaper?

[potent portal]

Was it ever working or is this a new problem

[little osprey]

it was working 1 hour ago

just turned on pc now it not

[potent portal]

Try the rear first and check the header cable. Drivers could also be a problem.

[potent portal]

Is the motherboard full ATX or micro?

[little osprey]

full

[stoic island]

It's a good case, if you don't care for looks and such, you could do mx330-g air for 60$

[little osprey]

msi b550 gaming plus

[stoic island]

Could check for USB drivers from MSI's site

[little osprey]

k

[potent portal]

Yeah like mr2 said mx330g air is decent for the price

[stoic island]

G360a is a bit better for airflow tho

[little osprey]

guys ima restart pc then try the drivers

[little osprey]

oops i responded to wrong thread

[potent portal]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1543118-REG/cougar_mx330_g_air_gaming_mid_tower.html

[plucky adder]

idc about colors, i just need a med tower with good airflow

[little osprey]

i gotta run ill be back at 9

[plucky adder]

MSI PRO B660M-A WIFI DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard

[potent portal]

Ah micro ATX then

That's what the M means

Recommendations still stand

You could go a bit smaller in case size if you wanted

[stoic island]

mATX mobos will fit in ATX cases, same holes and all

[potent portal]

Good choice of board btw, probably best budget board

[stoic island]

But you can go for like mb311l for a matx case if you want

[desert gulch]

That one has almost no breathing room for half thick cards

[stoic island]

Pfft that's normal for small form factor cases :p

Td300 mesh looks cool but price isn't good and airflow didn't seem great

[mossy venture]

Check the other list I pinged you with in #graphics-cards

I changed it up a bit

[long rock]

Ive got a P500A and love it if u are looking for cases

[stoic island]

(price tho)

Otherwise yes p500a neat

[mossy venture]

Imo 5000d airflow better option

[desert gulch]

5000t: 😐

[long rock]

I technically only paid 50 bucks for mine because gift card for Christmas

[stoic island]

imo bad opinion
/s

[mossy venture]

Imo you'r

[plucky adder]

i saw, is the b&h website reliable

[mossy venture]

Yes

[stoic island]

B&h is a big company

[mossy venture]

Its a great place to buy from if you're in the US

[plucky adder]

got it

[mossy venture]

Though they don't do business Friday night and Saturday

Since the owners are jewish and close for the Jewish sabbath

[stoic island]

That's new lmao

[desert gulch]

Are you defending the price tag?

👀

[stoic island]

Never

Just saw it

[mossy venture]

What's the price on it?

[stoic island]

Thought you were talking 5000d but uh

350$

[desert gulch]

You don't want to know

💀

[mossy venture]

I dont have an emote to describe the look on my face

[stoic island]

[desert gulch]

You don't even get an exhaust included 💀

[stoic island]

There

[mossy venture]

Corsair?

[desert gulch]

Who else?

[stoic island]

Yes

[mossy venture]

Makes sense

Oh yeah there's the logo on the front

It doesnt even look that good

[desert gulch]

Well it's also in potato resolution

[stoic island]

Looks pretty good to me actually
mesh for once

[mossy venture]

Not worth more than $175, at the very most (just bc 5000d airflow is $150)

[stoic island]

If it's like 150$ I'd prob reccomend it alongside p500a

[mossy venture]

I'm assuming max aio support is 360?

[desert gulch]

I just want LCiiM back to $100

[stoic island]

Maybe 420 too

[stoic island]

Never

I want td500 mesh price to come back down though

[desert gulch]

Remember the days it was like $105?

[mossy venture]

Idt 5000d/airflow support 420

[stoic island]

I don't remember since I liked td500 mesh better than it

[desert gulch]

How.

[stoic island]

360mm top mount

[mossy venture]

And im assuming it's the same size

[stoic island]

:p

[mossy venture]

I miss p400a at $100

And p360a at what, $70?

[desert gulch]

I'd take a LCiiM over p400 anyday tbh

[stoic island]

80 nowadays

[mossy venture]

Nah, 90 now normally

[stoic island]

Over p400a sure

[mossy venture]

I mean back when p400a was cheaper too

[stoic island]

I liked 90$ p400a

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YNdrxr/phanteks-eclipse-p360a-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec360atg_dwt

[stoic island]

I also like any excuse not to use 4000d

[mossy venture]

Tho p400a is same price as black p360a and g360a https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3RJmP6/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_bk

Are there any real differences between g360a and p400a, aside from g360a being slightly smaller?

[stoic island]

I think g360a can actually top mount rad?

[mossy venture]

P400a cant?

[stoic island]

I thought not

[mossy venture]

I'm not sure

[desert gulch]

P400a is bigger so I'd hope it can

[mossy venture]

I just know it can support a 360mm aio

P360a can certainly top mount

So I'd assume p400a can

Just not a 360 I believe

[stoic island]

P400a doesn't list top radiator mounts

[mossy venture]

Really?

Thats weird

[plucky adder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DXjkgb

I have 2 ssd, can someone tell me which one is better

[mossy venture]

I linked you a different list

[desert gulch]

Looks like p400a cant

[stoic island]

@plucky adder mp33 leagues ahead, screw ms30

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KY2MTn

[desert gulch]

People say the can fit the rad but not the fans

[stoic island]

I'm a ms30 owner

Yea sound about right

[plucky adder]

wait, you have a ms30 and you say its bad ;-;

[stoic island]

Yes, it's more accurate to say I had one

[mossy venture]

I have a different ssd that I say is garbage

[stoic island]

It's in my drawer

[mossy venture]

Since it's garbage for an ssd

[stoic island]

I want to snap it in half

[desert gulch]

Also stay away from the crucial p2 :P

[stoic island]

Replaced it early on

[desert gulch]

Im a p2 owner

[mossy venture]

I'm a pny sata drive owner

Cs900

Crappy pre builts that cut corners hours

[plucky adder]

so mp33 it is

[mossy venture]

Does the other list I linked you fit your budget?

[plucky adder]

which one

[mossy venture]

.

[half iron]

here

[mossy venture]

It's better than the other one

I was at work so just copied a link from someone else, when I took a look at it wasn't as good as I thought it would be

[plucky adder]

than mine?

[mossy venture]

So I made you a different one

[plucky adder]

oh got it

[mossy venture]

Do you care about looks?

The mx330-g air is a bit ugly, but it's a good case

And if you want to save a bit of money, you can swap in the 6650xt from the list you have for the gpu I had in that one

It's about a 10% performance difference between the two gpus

[plucky adder]

i dont care about looks

[mossy venture]

Good case to go for then

[plucky adder]

ooh if i switch to the graphics card you put, ill cut a bit close to the budget

like is there a huge difference between the 6700 and the 6650?

[mossy venture]

Please read what I'm typing

[mossy venture]

.

[mossy venture]

.

[plucky adder]

yeah but like 10% doesnt seem like a lot in theory..

[mossy venture]

It's not a huge diff

The $100 saved imo is worth the lower perf, 6650xt still a good gpu

[plucky adder]

okay so its either i upgrade the gpu from 6650 to 6700 or i replace the 16gb of ram i had in the list to the 32 you have on yours and im not too sure which is better

[mossy venture]

I would go to the 6650xt

[plucky adder]

and upgrade the ram?

[mossy venture]

Yes

[plucky adder]

got it

[mossy venture]

32gb is good to have for some games atm, and will soon be needed for some

[plucky adder]

got it thanks

[earnest olive]

what

take 16gb + 6700xt over 32gb + 6650xt for gaming any day lol

upgrading the ram is a little easier than upgrading the gpu... just saying...

but my 16gb + 3090 is still doing perfectly fine

@mossy venture@plucky adder

[mossy venture]

Good point

Kenzie had a game that wouldn't run on 16gb the other day in his 12100f 3050 pc, wouldn't launch, though I don't even want to know the amount of bloatware he has

[forest briar]

On his Alienware??

[earnest olive]

what game

theres no way a game just refuses to launch on 16gb

most people still have 16gb

[mossy venture]

I dont remember what it was, was like two weeks ago or smthn

@analog pulsar

[forest briar]

Oh Kenzie has only had the Alienware for a few days

[earnest olive]

not the alienware laptop

[mossy venture]

Also it's partially bc the 6650xt is $345, cheapest 6700xt is $450

[analog pulsar]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/21pVa2xH3eLQ2ggN2EhopeQ1Eo9UGEICpkDB4Q607FY/https/i.imgur.com/RJJ0ztC.png ah this ?

[mossy venture]

Wasn't there a game you couldn't launch a few weeks ago?

[analog pulsar]

i dont remember

[earnest olive]

sure, but if you're downgrading the gpu to save money it makes little sense to put that money back into a ram upgrade

[mossy venture]

Yeah fair, I'd listen to what sips is saying @plucky adder

[earnest olive]

between 6650xt + 32gb and 6700xt + 16gb for a similar price, i choose 6700xt + 16gb

[analog pulsar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/589689072692494356/996975639095685190/unknown.png this is my ram usage with laptop

[mossy venture]

Was talking about when you had the 12100f 3050

[analog pulsar]

oh

[mossy venture]

But dw about it

[earnest olive]

meanwhile im seeing 7gb ram usage playing control at 1440p ultra

[analog pulsar]

well i game plus have chrome tabes open plus igpu running

[mossy venture]

Only time i ran into ram limit was when I had 16gb, and was streaming warzone with discord and Chrome open

[earnest olive]

some dude told me 16gb isnt enough for cold war + youtube video at the same time

[mossy venture]

So ye, 16gb def fine for normal usage still

[earnest olive]

so i had cold war running 1440p ultra 200 fps

discord open

4K youtube video

12 browser tabs

[analog pulsar]

ill have to download cold ware and test that

[mossy venture]

Lmao, I played cold war at 140fps without issue before I upgraded my ram

[earnest olive]

spotify, rgb software, teamviewer, rivatuner, argus, onedrive, wallpaper engine

[mossy venture]

Only reason I did was 32gb crucial kit for $90

[earnest olive]

chilling at 13.5gb

[analog pulsar]

I just have 6 tabs open

[mossy venture]

I planned to oc it but either I'm blind or my bios doesn't have settings for ram aside from a few things (I can't really give proper details, because I don't know much about ram tuning and such)

I'm prolly just being stupid but whatever

[plucky adder]

see idk though bc if i go with the 6700 + 16 i basically take away 25 dollars from the ram cost and then add 100 for the gpu, that 75 dollar difference brings me really close to my budget which kinda makes me feel uncomfortable, im trying to lower the costs have good performance as well

[earnest olive]

then go 6650xt + 16

unless you're a cities skylines player lol

[plucky adder]

yeah im probably going with that

[little osprey]

so my headphone jack adapter wont work

went to store

and bought new one

still wont work

anyone that can help me?

[desert gulch]

You set the output to the right thing?

[little osprey]

it wont pop up

yes

none

im using this https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MU7E2AM/A/usb-c-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter

someone help please if you can.

what

?

yes

it works its just very quiet

it was working until very recently

msi b550 gaming plus

rtx 3070 fe

r5 5600g

i just tried installing it and it didint work

corshair 4000d

airflow

neither

it just randomly happend after i came back from a snack

[winter marsh]

Howdy ho

[frank stirrup]

Dont need one

The apple usb dongle uses default drivers

[frank stirrup]

Try it with ur phone

See if it still works

Ah

My bad

[little osprey]

i having issues with the dongle mainly

but also the jack on the mobo

[frank stirrup]

Test it on ur phone

[little osprey]

i tested it on other computer

still no sound

two diffrent dongles

[frank stirrup]

Try other headphones

[little osprey]

the headphones work tho

plugged them into chrome book and it worked

[frank stirrup]

Can u try other headphones anyway?

[little osprey]

i dont have any others at the moment

[frank stirrup]

Earbuds?

[little osprey]

let me see if i have any lying around

i dont remember where i put the earbuds it been so long

sadly no

its not the headphones it the usb c not being recognized bc it wont show up in audio, thats my opinion

[frank stirrup]

It wont show up if it doesn't detect the headphones

[little osprey]

when i plug in the usb it shows up as a usb c to 3.5 jack, but wont show up on the sound area when i plug in headphones into it.

ill be back tmmw i gtg

[copper mason]

I'm asking for someone who currently has this built, just for gaming:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wwNwk9

Components he want to upgrade now (considering, budget in USD)
Now:
GPU (RX 7700XT $500): he just want to max out settings at 1080p
Case (Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L Micro-ATX, $100): better airflow / cables management
Later: CPU (5900X), CPU Cooler, Power supply

Games: GTA V, Fortnite, Warzone
Suggestions recommendations appreciated 🙇‍♂️

[mossy venture]

7700xt isnt a thing

do you mean 6700xt?

the psu is meh, but i think itll be fine for a 6700xt

my 750 bq was fine, but it got a loud clicking noise after a while

i wouldnt run a 5900x on that mobo, i would upgrade the mobo and get a 12700f

and an ak620 to go with it

[copper mason]

the guy is waiting for an unreleased GPU xD

[obsidian wigeon]

bruh

[mossy venture]

case, q300l is fine

i think

[obsidian wigeon]

you can't predict the price of next gen cpu

[mossy venture]

could always just get a 7600xt

[obsidian wigeon]

but true

[empty pollen]

nonsense, just save a lil more for the 7950xt

[copper mason]

gotcha I'll let him know thanks

[mossy venture]

well we cant say which to get yet

we have no idea what price theyll be

also, id definitely replace the psu before getting a 7600xt or 7700xt

[copper mason]

I could recommend him this then

[mossy venture]

this is the biggest thing tho

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DNF7wc

thats what id do

[copper mason]

thanks I'll let him know 🙏

[mossy venture]

np

[copper mason]

ayyy

[potent portal]

Next gen stuff you'll want the new ATX 3.0 power supplies for anyway so we couldn't even tell you which one of those to get and be "future proof"

[copper mason]

thanks I'll pass it around
I haven't looked into PC building since my first in 2020 lel

[copper mason]

btw they're asking y u recommend the 12700f

[mossy venture]

it has the same performance as a 5900x

(technichally a bit better)

[copper mason]

is it still true with these newer CPUs that Intel still has the lead in single threaded performance for gaming ?

[mossy venture]

its not really true or false, its generation to generation

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[mossy venture]

12th gen is currently better price/perf

[zenith cargo]

guys what do I need to know so I can swap my psu cables to rgb ones?

[obsidian wigeon]

you can't swap them

are you talking about extension cables?

[fossil cedar]

You can get lian li strimmer extensions which will appear as if the cables are rgb

[mortal zodiac]

there is only lian li streamer cable thats rgb one
as for the rest you can get colored cable extensions

[little osprey]

13th gen plans to up their multicore game

[copper mason]

u both are talking about Intel right ? @mossy venture

[little osprey]

Yes

Wonder if/when i-11 will come out

[copper mason]

what do u guys think of these 2 6700XT:
https://a.co/d/iFXP0vT
https://a.co/d/bYMmXHv

[fossil cedar]

Would get this one instead

[cyan ravine]

Or this one
https://a.co/d/7E50esA

[fossil cedar]

Oh wtf it didn't send? Or is discord glitching for me?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RFGbt6/xfx-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-speedster-swft-309-video-card-rx-67xtyjfdv

That's the one i linked i swear

[gaunt sentinel]

Can this run mc?

I mean like that without a gpu

Probably 32 gigs of ram and a terabyte ssd?

[fossil cedar]

12700f has no integrated gpu so no

[gaunt sentinel]

Oh ok

[fossil cedar]

Unless you pair an intel f cpu with a graphics card the pc won't turn on

[gaunt sentinel]

Oh so that's the significance of the letter

[late fjord]

@olive cypress I had a RX 5500xt in there but it took a 💩

[olive cypress]

Huh? Lol

[late fjord]

The build I just posted lol

[olive cypress]

Yeah I know but what you mean "it took a 💩 "?

[late fjord]

Well I never did quite figure out the cause. But gpu blackscreens when any workload is put on it

Gaming, watching videos.

[olive cypress]

[late fjord]

I've tried repasting and new/better thermal pads

Happened a few months after warranty expired naturally

[olive cypress]

double f

[olive cypress]

I think thet use some device to kill your components on purpose after warranty expires

[late fjord]

Probably lol

It's a gigabyte model too so who knows

[olive cypress]

Ofc they don't or the company would have been shut down

[mossy venture]

Could try undervolting it

[late fjord]

Tried that. Unfortunately same result

[long rock]

@late fjord nice start!!

I always find it interesting to see the people that just started out and arent running top of the line stuff

Its a realistic build

[olive cypress]

It's just strange
If it had the 5500xt it would have been ok
I mean
1030? With 32gb and i3

[long rock]

Strange builds arent bad

Maybe he cant afford a 5500XT

[olive cypress]

Maybe (if you read ↑↑↑) his 5500xt "died"

[late fjord]

I have a 5800x and a 6750xt

That's just spare parts lol

Also have 2 ryzen 3600 and 5700xt builds for my younger neice and Nephew

😂

[olive cypress]

Ooh
Those are some nice builds

[late fjord]

It was meant to be funny because it's such a goofy build. The i3 I mean

Might be good for a mini server lol

[olive cypress]

Yeah
All that ram combined with that CPU and GPU is certainly not for gaming lol

[late fjord]

I was able to play bioshock 1. But not 2 just fine haha

[olive cypress]

:pog;

[late fjord]

To make it even worse its the gddr4 1030

[late fjord]

Appreciate you sticking up for the little guy though ❤️

[empty pollen]

Guys question, i have a new assignment from my mother, she wants to build a surprise pc, she is a cad architect and some creative design from time to time but 0 games... the question is... refresh rate on monitor matters for her type of work pc?

[vague oracle]

Not really

Good color is a must tho

[empty pollen]

so a 4k 60hz should be enough rite?

[vague oracle]

Especially if there’s graphic design

[vague oracle]

That’s what I run

Well I run 4k75hz but close enough

[empty pollen]

yeah, ill have a hard assignment at hand, tomigth ill have to interview my sister for her needs

to tailor her a good pc, my mom is expecting like 1.5-1.7 for her surprise pc

from scratch

[vague oracle]

Generally high ram, high vram gpu wirh high core count cpu

32Gb+ for ram is a must

[empty pollen]

her old all-in-one imac is a tad slow for her work lately

like a 7 year old pc

according to my mom, some nights my sister curse her own pc for being slow xD hahaha

[mossy venture]

do you know if shes gaming on it?

[empty pollen]

no she isnt

last game i knew she played was san adreas and that was a long ago

[mossy venture]

12700f 3070 would probably be fitting then, if she needs some gpu power

[empty pollen]

im fact i was thinking on 3080 for the vram

[mossy venture]

maybe

ig depends on what she does

[empty pollen]

and on my ignorance, cuda cores behaves better for cad purposes

maybe im totally wrong

[mossy venture]

ahh cad

im unfamiliar

[empty pollen]

same

[vague oracle]

Depends on the program

generally yeah Cuda is better but there are a couple niche cases where it’s not

[empty pollen]

yeah, thats why im goin to ask her tonite, ill have to make a stop at my mom's house for that

[fossil cedar]

hear me out, 3060 depending on budget

12gb vram on the cheap

[empty pollen]

right, i forgot the 3060 have 12gb as well

according to her uses ill be here again to see if the 3060 shoud be enough or the 3080 😛

3060 should be ok for cad on 4k?

[fossil cedar]

Yeah just slower than the 3080

[mossy venture]

i mean, 6800xt

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XPjNnQ/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-xt-16-gb-phantom-gaming-d-oc-video-card-rx6800xt-pgd-16go

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qFytt6/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-12gb-lhr-12-gb-gaming-z-trio-video-card-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-z-trio-12g-lhr or if you decide on 3080

[desert gulch]

No cuda tho

[empty pollen]

also goint to aske her if she do some kind of streaming and what type of content

who knows

almost sure none, cause she is a very social person unlike me and she spend more time outside with her friends than inside, and her pc is all about architecture things. but then again who knows? she is only 22

maybe, maybe not o.O

still im pretty confident on a 1.5k budget including the 4k monitor

[mossy venture]

wait, 1.5 for a whole build with a 4k monitor in that 1.5k?

[empty pollen]

yes

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7X8gQ6 thatd be hard

with a 3080

[empty pollen]

yeah im seeing it as hard

maybe the 3060 should be a good alternative, she wont notice a difference if she only do cad things on that

and maybe 100-200 more to fit the monitor there

like, its only 60hz, shouldnt be that expensive

[mossy venture]

is cad cpu intensive?

[empty pollen]

autocad most likely, dunno by now which other programs she uses

ill be out of my job in like 40 minutes, so ill have that info in like 3 hours from now at least 😮

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QCTcRv can do that + a 4k monitor

[empty pollen]

but most of the time i saw her doin autocad things

[mossy venture]

which is like $250

[empty pollen]

yeah this one is more friendly, much like the one that pato made

[mossy venture]

can do mag bazooka if she doesnt need wifi on mobo

[empty pollen]

well wifi its always a plus to have, so no worries there

the 3060 will be ok at 4k 60hz for cad things? thats the thing that keep me thinking

i mean for gaming is a no no all the way, but cad.... i dont know

[tardy ravine]

Hi this my build my usage is gaming - watching media - my work as programmer ,let me if i forget something, https://newegg.io/b27c394

[empty pollen]

ummm that link.... The guys here can help you if you tell em your budget so they can tailor you one from scratch

[mossy venture]

i would not buy any of that

whats your budget, and use case

and do you plan to oc the cpu

@tardy ravine

[tardy ravine]

around 2600$

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NX4fFg

can put a liquid freezer ii aio in there if you want

btw the h510 is a terrible case

its an oven

[mossy venture]

do you plan to overclock your cpu

you did not share the right link

that one

[tardy ravine]

No

[mossy venture]

then the list i linked above would be great for you

[whole falcon]

can someone please look over this build and tell me if theres anything wrong with it my budget is 2k

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GfXrY9

[mossy venture]

there is a lot wrong with it

give me a minute

[whole falcon]

like?

[mossy venture]

do you have any preferences for size

and do you want the case to be white

[whole falcon]

mid tower

yes

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CrdVGL

actually

one second, sorry

[whole falcon]

i wanted to use ryzen cause i want to stream

[mossy venture]

streaming is easy with a nvidia gpu

it has a good video encoder

even with cpu encoding, amd doesnt do it any better than intel

12th gen is currently better price/perf than amd

[whole falcon]

isnt ryzen better for streaming?

[mossy venture]

so it makes no sense to buy a 5000 series cpu if you dont already have a motherboard to go with it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xm6tKp there

thats a lot better

can cut down on price a lil bit if you want me to

[whole falcon]

whatif you switch the nvme to a western digital save on money

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wB2cRv

and if you want to save more, can go for a 12400f and 214xt

[whole falcon]

sure

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NQtfFg

[half iron]

what is the best 32gd of ram for lower then 80USD

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7

not getting lower than 80

[pseudo forum]

this is probably a loaded question but what would be a good value gpu with the recent price changes

[mossy venture]

we need your budget to say

[pseudo forum]

500-600$

[mossy venture]

6700xt, 3060 ti, 3070

if you can go to 700, 6800xt

[gaunt sentinel]

Is 400 for a 3070 good?

Thing is it's just the card so it can possibly not work can't really prove it does

So do I trust the guy as well?

[pseudo forum]

yeah also should i buy new or off ebay

[gaunt sentinel]

Idek I'm trying to buy used for cheaper stuff

[mossy venture]

You can get a 6700xt new for $460

Or 3070 for $580

[pseudo forum]

what about 3080 12gb

i know its alot more than what i said my budget is but there are some for 800$

[mossy venture]

$800 for the msi gaming trio is a great price

[strong raft]

A full $200+ over a good 3070 actually doesn't look great to me.

[desert gulch]

3070 is a good 20-30% slower in games depending on resolution

[mossy venture]

its a good bit of a difference

[strong raft]

Ah, more than I thought. Carry on.

[mossy venture]

this is 3080 ti not 12gb, bc passmark doesnt have it for some reason still

but

[trim orbit]

hey does anyone know what version i need for a 5600g to work on my asus tuf x570 plus wifi?

it has 4002 i believe

[empty pollen]

yup, the pc from my sister need a major overhaul

at least i had her budget increased to 900 without case, gpu and monitor, know i now why she curse his pc every often according to my mom

holly molly

im not sure how she ran autocad on that thing....

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive okay 16GB isnt enough im getting yelled at by my pc

sad im just trying to play beamng drive

[potent portal]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303856987561

[gaunt sentinel]

Anyone can help me make s cheap build to go with a 3070?

Cheap as in 500 or less

I'd go a little higher if necessary

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MMWQfv

[gaunt sentinel]

You are so hot

Also what's the difference in i5 and i7? Is it a huge difference for the 150 dollar difference for the i7 12000 whatever

[empty pollen]

core count

i7 generally have more cores

[strong raft]

If mainly gaming, 12400(F)/12600K(F) is indeed much smarter.

[empty pollen]

in the 12th gen 12400 have only p cores, while the 12700 have p and e cores as well thus costing a bit more

[gaunt sentinel]

Are the e cores worth double the price?

[strong raft]

If they're put to good use, which isn't in most games.

[gaunt sentinel]

Ok so uncessary for me lol

Unless for multitasking I guess?

[empty pollen]

for a pure gaming pc 12400f is more then enough

12700 could work as a gaming+workstation rig

[gaunt sentinel]

Yeah it's just for gaming and school

[potent portal]

And background tasks, so your RGB program doesn't show your game down

[gaunt sentinel]

Oh so I may be a cs major so uhh maybe I should learn more about this stuff lol

[empty pollen]

yeah you should 😛

[gaunt sentinel]

I'll be stalking here for a while anyway while I build my pc

[potent portal]

It would be wise to get an above basic understanding at a minimum

[empty pollen]

you can learn a lot from most of the gang here if you stay around 😛

[gaunt sentinel]

K

Also shouldn't I have more than 650 watts for a 3070? I seen builds with 800 watts for a 3060 for some reason

[empty pollen]

no

[potent portal]

Pun intended

[empty pollen]

you can if you want, but totally unnecessary

[gaunt sentinel]

Ah ok

[potent portal]

800+ would only be needed when using a 3090 or a 3080 with a high power CPU

[empty pollen]

3070 is a 220w (maybe 250 on certain models) card, all your system should peak at around 500w or something

650 is more then enough

[gaunt sentinel]

Ok

That clears up a lot

[gaunt sentinel]

Mind adding 32 gigs of ram? Of your preferred company. Or better yet tell me what company's are better, I do know 3200 mhz is preferred

[potent portal]

3200 is more of a minimum

3600 would be better for not much more

[empty pollen]

32gb is the sweet spot, but he made the most of your budget with those 16gigs

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zjzVGL

[gaunt sentinel]

Yeah I see I'll just having that as a base, I do intend on getting the parts over time with the intention to get better stuff over the period

[potent portal]

32gb is only $25 more

[gaunt sentinel]

Damn

Wow

I might not even have to wait lol

And are and cards even that bad?

[empty pollen]

what?

[gaunt sentinel]

Their benchmarks are pretty decent from what I see

[cyan ravine]

Amd cards are mighty fine rn

[empty pollen]

amd gpus are very good

[potent portal]

AMD? They've improved a lot

[cyan ravine]

Better value/$ especially in the low tier

[gaunt sentinel]

Yeah im looking at getting one tbh if I don't get a 3070

[potent portal]

6750 XT is usually the same price and a little better performance

[cyan ravine]

Unless you're doing lots of productivity workloads like rendering with it AMD cards are just generally better buys

[gaunt sentinel]

And you can get that at msrp?

[desert gulch]

amd cards are even below msrp these days lol

[gaunt sentinel]

Oh bet

[desert gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RbYmP6/gigabyte-radeon-rx-6750-xt-12-gb-gaming-oc-video-card-gv-r675xtgaming-oc-12gd

heres a nice one

but 6700xt itself may be better value

[cyan ravine]

Probably depends on the sku since it's binning

6750 tho is the only one where I'd say that

[empty pollen]

Im selling my 60ti in 400, 2 birds in one shot, helped my sister and goin to help myself on a better card :#

today was a good day

[gaunt sentinel]

Nice

[empty pollen]

now to wait on something like 3080 or 6900 near 800us to make a purchase

[gaunt sentinel]

Hot, good fortune will come around

[cyan ravine]

EVGA still have that 12gb aio one on sale at 800?

I had a friend who bought one

[gaunt sentinel]

You can still use Ray tracing with amd cards correct? It's just not rtx version

Ik I'm asking dumb questions but like someone has to ask them

[cyan ravine]

Yes but honestly even at like the 3080 tier it's pretty meh

I personally never use it despite having the option

Just tanks the frames lol

[gaunt sentinel]

Oh ok

[empty pollen]

the aio units are reliable? im kinda scared about that... you know... pump failures

[cyan ravine]

I mean it was new iirc and evga is pretty good with warranties in any case

I can go find the deal again

[empty pollen]

yeah im looking at the evga site

799 both of them

the ftw and the xc3 aio

[cyan ravine]

Xc3 ultra hybrid, 3 year warranty

[empty pollen]

the ftw3 have a boost clock 45mhz higher

[cyan ravine]

Oh the ftw too?

[empty pollen]

yeah

[cyan ravine]

Yeah ftw3 easily better

I would personally. Cards under water hold boost better even if it's an aio

[empty pollen]

i mean, it will cost me 400 bucks only

my mom will give me those 400 for my 60ti in a week xD

it be more than enough for 4k 60hz cad work

going to give her my 750ga (for free) as well while buying a 850g6 for myself, my sis will be pretty surprised for her birthday with this new pc

not sure if a 750g6 will be enough for a 12700+3080 build so better safe than sorry

[gaunt sentinel]

Your sister finna be loaded

What's a equivalent amd cpu to the i7-12700f?

Or similar but cheaper, or better yet similar in efficiency but overall better value

[cyan ravine]

12700f wins on that front

Unless you have am4 already

[gaunt sentinel]

Am4?

[desert gulch]

5700x would be the best amd option for value typically

for 12700f ish perf

[gaunt sentinel]

Thanks

[desert gulch]

5900x also had a nice amazon sale recently

but 12700f still better value tbh

[cyan ravine]

AM4 is the motherboard (slot really) that accepts the AMD cpu

So like, b450, x570, x370 etc

[gaunt sentinel]

Oh ok

I dont own the motherboard either yet

[cyan ravine]

Yeah then I would most likely stick to 12th gen then

[gaunt sentinel]

I'm building new, but will probably get a 3070

Ok

A 3070 or a 6750xt

[cyan ravine]

3070 I would put at least a 12400 with usually

6750XT as well

[gaunt sentinel]

K

[gaunt sentinel]

Another dumb question is a cpu cooler necessary?

And which one should I get

😭 I'm sorry

[cyan ravine]

12400(F) can run the cooler it comes with (free) but it's loud, really almost any cheap cooler will be fine

[gaunt sentinel]

K thanks

I also have a build if you could rate it

Or assist in improving it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B8LmFg

[cyan ravine]

If you want to go higher, 12600K/KF we normally suggest here a good dual tower cooler or decent aio, 12700(F) and above a 280 aio or better imo

[gaunt sentinel]

🥺

[cyan ravine]

Are you doing anything apart from games?

[gaunt sentinel]

Well this is what my friend wants

Mines is similar but less stuff

But he does yt sometimes

Editing

[obsidian wigeon]

h510 flow is kinda cringe ngl

[gaunt sentinel]

What's a change for that?

[obsidian wigeon]

p360a

[gaunt sentinel]

I'll just bust the glass out easy fix

Oh ok

[obsidian wigeon]

hmm

this needs some changes, imma do em all for you

[gaunt sentinel]

Ok

Thighlander

I really wonder what that means 😏

I mean back to pcs

[strong raft]

https://shop.asus.com/us/rog/90yv0fac-mtaa00-rog-strix-rtx3080-o12g-gaming.html

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9D6WBj

[gaunt sentinel]

Someone above was just talking about that

[gaunt sentinel]

Appreciate it, and does the case come in black as well or just white?

[obsidian wigeon]

black variant isn't on sale rn

it's 99 for the black

[gaunt sentinel]

Ok

Thanks

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fRjrY9

Or drop the cooler and 12700F to 12400F* and go 3080

[gritty ferry]

someone help me build a pc

country: us budget: $1200

[cyan ravine]

What's it going to be used for?

[gritty ferry]

gaming

competitive

[cyan ravine]

Ok, monitor included?

[gritty ferry]

yes

[cyan ravine]

Ok

I'll need a couple minutes

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lc7Lwc

Or if you need wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zCkMTn

[nova apex]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bCkMTn

[stuck juniper]

Is lancool 3 meta?

[sinful brook]

Good evening! 😄

I am trying to get a notebook and I found two that look nice. I am also absolutely clueless so I wonder if anyone could look at two set of specs and help me decide please? 😄

#1: https://imgur.com/lzF3PwI
#2: https://imgur.com/DxzVJN3

Also, the price is 1600 without tax (they both cost the same).

[stuck juniper]

That link looks sus

[vague oracle]

…it’s literally just an Imgur link

[frank stirrup]

sus imgur link

[empty pollen]

going to kick myself, the list that the guys tailored for me was using deals of the techdeals which expired yesterday T_T

[mossy venture]

The one thst was made for you was much better

[viral ore]

thats how it goes sometimes

gotta be quick

[viral ore]

4k laptop screens are dumb, trying to get a mobile 3070ti to push that many pixels per second is also dumb

so i would pick the first laptop, over the second, but theres probably a better option over both of those

i will admit im too busy to look for one rn

[fossil cedar]

4k laptops are the biggest scam

Not even the gpu being too bad but the fact you just can't tell the difference at 15/17"

[empty pollen]

still i have green light to buy as soon as i see a sale on any part

7 weeks till her birthday, so i have plenty of time to catch another sale

but damn, still hurts to see a 150 mobo going up again to 190 D:

[mossy venture]

Why not just get the mag bazooka?

[empty pollen]

cause i need an atx mobo, and matx will be funny on a 5000x

😦

ill try to fish a 4000d this weekend for myself, my mom is in love with my 5000x and she wants that case for my sis pc

and im not goin to buy another 5000x, better for her to have mine and ill buy the smaller airflow version

[mossy venture]

ahh

[mossy venture]

could you link the parts list?

just curious

[empty pollen]

sure

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YLF2bK

[mossy venture]

so what sale ended?

[empty pollen]

the fantastech

the mobo was 140

[mossy venture]

also i wouldnt use that psu for a 3080

its got transient issues

[empty pollen]

oh yeah im goin to swap that for a g6-850

[mossy venture]

ah ok

does it have to be a z690?

[empty pollen]

no no, it was a 690 when it was at 150

now ill have to downgrade to 660

[mossy venture]

theres these two

[empty pollen]

"downgrade" as price

[mossy venture]

the asus prime one im unsure on how itll do with a 12600k tho

[empty pollen]

yeah im not into the prime series

msi tho, not bad

in fact, im not into asus mobos

[mossy venture]

yeah, msi kinda killed it with boards this gen

asus had some good 600 series mobos

[empty pollen]

rog ones are pricey and the tuf ones... idk

[mossy venture]

until msi mobos dropped in price/were available, asus prime was good to get for 12400f

still good for countries other than the us

[empty pollen]

in fact, the 3080 and the 850 will be for me

im selling to my mom my 3060ti at 400 bucks along with my 750ga

[mossy venture]

ah

[empty pollen]

enough for my sister, and ill handle the rest myself

win-win for everyone

like im buying a 3080 and the psu at a 500 bundle

🙂

want to scream? we will have to buy a 4k 60hz 32" screen at 500 bucks locally

pretty scary huh

[frank stirrup]

asus tuf boards suck

thank you for coming to my tech talk'

[runic spruce]

I remember seeing a 3080 ftw3 for 650 bstock

[rich void]

What don't you like about em?
Mine has worked well for me

[fossil cedar]

@empty pollen can you only buy from certain retailers or something?

Also any particular reason you would need the igpu?

Nevermind, same price atm

[empty pollen]

yeah newegg most likely cause paypal

amazon dont have paypal D:

however, if some store use paypal, i can buy from there as well... evga uses paypal i think as an example

[mossy venture]

evga deff does

[empty pollen]

yup

[fossil cedar]

Dam how come only PayPal?

[mossy venture]

prolly cuz theyre outside the us

and a lot of places wont take their cards and such unless theyre from a US bank

[empty pollen]

yeah third world issues sadly

basically local money goes into paypal to buy in the us and mail those to my courier at miami

and i pay the fees locally when the packages arrive

[fossil cedar]

That's wack, surely they'd take any visa/MasterCard

[empty pollen]

luckily its only 6 bucks per pound on electronics fee at customs

[fossil cedar]

Especially Amazon cuz Amazon delivers almost anywhere

[empty pollen]

must have some international level which is very costly to mantain here, so paypal is way cheaper if you arent using that much

[fossil cedar]

Idk what you mean by that but okay

[empty pollen]

if you are a frequent buyer, which im not, then the international level is way cheaper in the long run

[fossil cedar]

Insee

[empty pollen]

bank policies here at ecuador

[fossil cedar]

I see

Well if only using wegg/evga then I'll whip you up a list

[empty pollen]

weird indeed

[fossil cedar]

Budget 1.5k?

[empty pollen]

yeah, ok the budget is like this, im on max 850 budget, no need for case nor monitor which are locally, nor gpu nor psu casue ill give mine to that build

[fossil cedar]

So you're going to be buying the 3080?

And new psu?

So 850 without case psu and gpu?

And must be atx case iirc?

Board*

[empty pollen]

yeah, i need a psu strong enough for a 3080

but no 3080 on that budget ofc

ok, thing is like this

im goin to sell my 3060ti to my mom for 400usd, so ill take those and put the rest for a better card... hopefully a 3080

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hjqvqm, can go to 12700f but idk if that will be beneficial to them

[empty pollen]

im going to give her my 750ga as well, but in return ill buy a psu for myself on that budget

thats why, after a long talk i had a budget of 2k for that build, where 500 will be on the 4k monitor, 250 max for a case (locally) and 1250 for the rest, which 400 will be on the gpu... thats why the list should fit on a 850usd max

yeah its perfect

should be any difference between a 10 core and the 12 core 700f for a cad user? like autocad and photoshop?

no gaming, but it will have a 4k 60hz and the 60ti which i think it will be nough for that

[fossil cedar]

Maybe in Photoshop I'm honestly not sure what kinda workload it is tho

[empty pollen]

nor i, but everything will be better compared of what she had, take a look at this photo i took yesterday when at my mom's house

like omg, she was working on that

[fossil cedar]

[empty pollen]

that thing has a 770m as a gpu

ill fit a 12700f just because

it fits the 850 budget anyway 😛

wait, no prices on the memory kit

D:

weird, now they have

oh, out of stock

[runic spruce]

@empty pollen why not just wait for 40 series and use your 3060 in the meantime?

[potent shadow]

Hmm

I needa find a good case for my station wagon case

[empty pollen]

my 3060 is a no go by now, the card will go into my sister birthday pc, which is september 7th

now that you mention the 40 series... could be a thing, maybe ill hold to my old and trusty 750ti until that

[runic spruce]

September 7th is in 2 months

U can hold on to it and prices might get cheaper for parts

Gpus are always the last part to install too

[empty pollen]

can, but i will not, ill clean it and goin to its box to avoid further use, its already 6 months old

ill give it to my mom to be shelved until the rest of parts arrive

[runic spruce]

6 months is still basically new

[empty pollen]

it is, yes

its more of a thing, like, im not goin to further use the card when my mom already transfered the funds to my account. like... not right D:

[runic spruce]

I mean u guys are family

But I get it

[empty pollen]

yeah, like im feeling bad doing that

like im taking advantage of the family thing

im not using that much the pc for gaming thse days anyway

the 750 will hold its own for a couple more months

bye bye to warzone and doom eternal for the time being

in any case im saving for raptor lake... ill make my move depending on the launch dates for the 40 series at the raptor lake release

[analog pulsar]

so just to be clear this desktop is bad

[mossy venture]

Yes

Alienware

[desert gulch]

It isn't bad

That would be a compliment

It's the worst pc you could buy

[fossil cedar]

Worst value pc you could buy

[analog pulsar]

okay hows there XPS series

[desert gulch]

Still bad

[analog pulsar]

[frank stirrup]

almost equally awful

If you want a prebuilt, dell is dog tier

bottom of the barrel

[analog pulsar]

[fossil cedar]

Dell don't sell any good consumer pcs, they do good laptops and servers but the desktops are utter garbage

[rich void]

Please don't insult dogs
Dogs are great

[fossil cedar]

Well when people say that they mean dog crap tier

[analog pulsar]

okay

[rich void]

All their desktops are full of proprietary junk. Even when it's a decent quality it's not re-usable

[desert gulch]

Hey, atleast the CPU is usually reusable

[analog pulsar]

and gpu

and ram

and storage

[fossil cedar]

Ram is Jedec tho

Usable but

Sad

[desert gulch]

And green PCB with no heatsink

That barely counts as reusable

[analog pulsar]

thats fine

hehe

[fossil cedar]

3200c16 doesn't need heatsinks tbh

[desert gulch]

Ugly af

[rich void]

@analog pulsar you're acting like bare minimum re-usability is good

[desert gulch]

With that mentality the case, PSU, and board are all reusable, lol

Plus the cooler too

[fossil cedar]

Oh god

[twin sedge]

What do u think of this budget build i made https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XZVNgb

[desert gulch]

Swap boards for sure

B660m-g even

It's like $5 more but puts you in a better spot

[mossy venture]

6500xt

[twin sedge]

I mean its only a 12100

[mossy venture]

:p

[desert gulch]

It's also only 5 bucks for a good sized improvement

[twin sedge]

I dont think the board is going to have a effect

[desert gulch]

That board just has meh io

[analog pulsar]

I wouldnt call a 12900k and 3090 bare minimal

[twin sedge]

Other than that tho is it good?

[analog pulsar]

lol

[mossy venture]

I would spend the extra for a 6600

Or buy a used gpu

[rich void]

wow two components and you have to replace the rest

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-whoopty-doo-do-gif-25863935

[analog pulsar]

the storage

and maybe ram

[twin sedge]

Well im trying to keep it as budget as possible

And not use used parts

[mossy venture]

4400mhz ddr5

I would hate to see the timings

[mossy venture]

6500xt is a terrible buy

[analog pulsar]

maybe CL40 idk

[mossy venture]

You can get a 1060 6gb easily for that price, very possibly a 1070

[twin sedge]

Its the best gpu in the sub $200 price range

New

[mossy venture]

Yes, but its still not good at $180

[twin sedge]

Thats the lowest price

[rich void]

Or buy a pre-built with standard parts and not deal with Dell's nonsense

[mossy venture]

It's 1650 super level performance