building-and-recc-chat

[desert gulch]

Highly doubt

Does it support the 4500?

[potent portal]

Doubt why?

[desert gulch]

Bet it won't support 4500

Does it even support x3d?

[potent portal]

Yes it does X3D

[desert gulch]

Ok

How about this

[potent portal]

And it does 4500

[desert gulch]

1900x?

Will it support that?

It's technically a Ryzen cpu

[potent portal]

Threadripper doesn't count and you know it lol

[desert gulch]

technically does smh

It has the name "Ryzen" in it

[potent portal]

Fine, supports every AM4 Ryzen, is that better?

[desert gulch]

My b450 tomahawk max supports 1900x

Smh

I'm actually impressed tbh it even supports 4500 and all that with how new those sku's are

[potent portal]

MSI has been updating the agesa code and even did the "enable fTPM by default" thing when 11 started up

[desert gulch]

Yea it's neat

[potent portal]

Oh actually another version just released 3 days ago, neat indeed

[frank stirrup]

my board doesnt support zen 1

zen+ and up is supported

makes sense tho considering x570

[potent portal]

Yeah X570 explains it right there

[frank stirrup]

yep

[potent portal]

Most 400 chipsets also had to drop older model support in favor of new, unless they have the "MAX" bios

[cyan ravine]

Don't care what anyone says but when typed like this it just looks like an XD at the end and I love it

[south cliff]

[royal wave]

https://newegg.io/2962eef

Hello im fairly new to computers and i wanted to know everyone's opinion on this build i tried to make. I want to make sure it works at least.

[potent portal]

Hyper 212 isn't nearly good enough for that 12600k

I'll put together a list for you, looks like budget is around $1600?

[royal wave]

Yea pretty much

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HnRpKp

[royal wave]

Looks great! I could change that 1 Tb ssd into a 2 Tb easily right? Or would it be better to get two 1 Tb ssd.

[potent portal]

Either or. Personally I use several drives but many people find it more convenient to have everything on one.

You could either get 2 of that same drive or switch it to 2TB

[fossil cedar]

If the budgets there I'd go 2tb

Can also save a good bit of money switching to b660 if you don't want to overclock

[potent portal]

True. I just like to pair K processors with Z boards to have the option that you paid extra for on the CPU lol.

[fossil cedar]

Well 12600k is the exception cuz e cores

[potent portal]

Indeed it is the exception. It's worth that little extra for those cores.

[royal wave]

So is the windows 10 home usb good to buy or nah

[potent portal]

You don't need it

[fossil cedar]

I'd do this personally
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KKrJnt

[potent portal]

1. You don't need to pay for Windows
2. You can easily make your own install USB
3. If you want a license you can get a legit one for $20

[fossil cedar]

Can go 12600kf if you want but imo it's worth the 15$ for the igpu

[potent portal]

I agree $15 for the extra peace of mind is worth it

[frank stirrup]

im looking forward to next gen amd cpus having igpus

[potent portal]

Ooh I know, it's so exciting! They aren't compromising the cache size to do it this time too!

[fossil cedar]

Well the will have apus that probably will skimp on cache but shhhhhh

[potent portal]

No, they'll all have APUs like Intel chips

[fossil cedar]

Except I don't see ryzen 7000 having any impact in low-mid range unless ddr5 prices tank

[fossil cedar]

No they're gonna have some dedicated apus with more gpu compute

[potent portal]

Ah, ones with stronger graphics I see

[fossil cedar]

As the default "apus" are just gonna have a few gpu cores

Like equivalent to intel igpu power

[frank stirrup]

afaik am4 will still get new cpus(this will become low end and have ddr4 support) while ddr5 and higher end cpus will be on am5

[fossil cedar]

For troubleshooting/businesses etc

[fossil cedar]

I don't think they physically can add any more am4 cpus lol

[frank stirrup]

so we might get a r3 an/or a lower class r5 thats based off zen 4 or zen 3xd3+ igpu

[potent portal]

This is what I've heard too, they said AM4 isn't dead so the theory is AM5 will be for the high end with DDR5 and AM4 will have a refresh at least to stay competitive on the lower end.

[fossil cedar]

I highly doubt on am4 but sounds interesting

[potent portal]

On a new process they could

[royal wave]

I have so much to learn. I cant keep up with this convo

[fossil cedar]

Dw lol

[frank stirrup]

zen 3 based x3d cpus with igpu might be possible

[fossil cedar]

Hmm idk

More cache means more money

More cache : more cash

[potent portal]

Topologically speaking that would be possible, since the cache wouldn't get in the way of the APU

[frank stirrup]

since am4 to am5 size shouldnt be a big difference either since same cooler mount

[frank stirrup]

yep and the lower end r5 and r3 cpus can be monolithic as well to give more space

[fossil cedar]

Ik it's physically possible i just feel they wont, there wasn't a 5600x3d for a reason

[frank stirrup]

5800x3d was just a test i thought

[potent portal]

They're also already talking about a 3D refresh of 7000

[frank stirrup]

yeah

[fossil cedar]

Yeah for r 7000/am5

[frank stirrup]

yeah so they might bring it to 5600x

[fossil cedar]

Cache is very costly

I doubt it

[frank stirrup]

Yeah but since it was very new and limited to one sku, itll be cheaper if they do for multiple skus in bulk

[potent portal]

The major part of the cost is adding more of the cache, so for a reasonable price increase they could put the same amount of cache 3D stacked

[frank stirrup]

also once they have it down, the process should get cheaper too per cpu

[fossil cedar]

Yes but then they'd be eating into their own market, 5600x3d would probably have to be priced around the 5800x

[fossil cedar]

Except tsmc be raising prices

[frank stirrup]

oh true i forgot about that

[fossil cedar]

And prices are agreed upon a couple years in advance sooo

Prices are staying level or going up

[frank stirrup]

but yeah it could be something like the 3500 vs 3600

they could make cheaper by stuff like disabling smt to lower price

lets see what amd does ig

[potent portal]

Yeah all this speculation is fun but all that matters really is what actually comes to market

[fossil cedar]

I hope they don't, HT is

3500 big sad cpu

[frank stirrup]

same but itll make it so that it doesnt affect am5 cpu sales, while bringing costs down

[fossil cedar]

@frank stirrup btw ryzen 7000 has 230w ppt not 170

Owo

[frank stirrup]

Yeah I saw the correction they made

[potent portal]

Yeah I saw that correction as well

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[royal wave]

Pato ima just straight up buy the build u made for me.

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-happy-good-boy-dog-smile-happy-good-boy-gif-21703225

[frigid night]

That's so shortcake

[royal wave]

Fal'Cie how do i buy said license and install it? You got a link so i can learn how

[frigid night]

Uhhh

[potent portal]

Good boy, you get patpats today

[frigid night]

Adorable**

Stupid autocorrect lol

[frank stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-dinosaurs-plushies-gif-24417567

[frigid night]

Is there anything wrong with buying another g27q when I already own one?

[fossil cedar]

How did adorable go to shortcake lol

[fossil cedar]

Bit of a waste to get high refresh 2nd monitor imo

[frigid night]

Idk, my phones autocorrect hella likes to put whatever word it wants when it wants to.

[fossil cedar]

Lol

[frigid night]

I was thinking I really want the matchy match. What I was also thinking is I have the $50 gift card for newegg so it ends up being cheaper (or close to same price) than even a high end 1080p right?

[final void]

its been a couple years since I've built a PC so I was wondering can anyone gimme a good parts list for a $2k budget PC (Main use will be editing/rendering/school and a bit gaming) tyty

[potent portal]

You can just use this, you want the "create windows 11 installation media" link, and it walks you through step by step. https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11

[royal wave]

@potent portal Thanks!

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LxwwY9

[frank stirrup]

Ill write a guide on how to install windows soon

maybe today

[potent portal]

Good techie
Putting that yellow name to good use already
You get patpats too

[frigid night]

No pats for rawr.

Idk where I was going with that lol

[fossil cedar]

Up to you i suppose

[frigid night]

Yeah.. I just have a 1080p 60hz that looks ugly and can't mount and I just don't know.

[potent portal]

Can't mount? Sounds like quitter talk to me

[frigid night]

Oh its a different type of monitor for sure.

I'll see if I can find it onlibe

[potent portal]

Just because it's not vesa compatible doesn't mean you can't adapt it or get a bracket 3D printed

[frigid night]

Hm. It just doesn't have anywhere near normal style stand.

[potent portal]

If people can make this with just a 3D printer I think you could get a bracket designed and made

[frigid night]

Huh nice.

[frigid night]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newegg.com/amp/asus-ms228h-21-5/p/N82E16824236083

I don't know anyone to make something for that though

[potent portal]

Weird, but with a little creativity it can be done

The Internet is a wonderful place, full of people with various skill sets.
Pretty much any site that does gig jobs like fiverr or craigslist you can find a designer to make a cad file, then finding a printer is easy.

[frigid night]

Soo.. maybe I should spend the $200 on a 3d printer instead? :P

[potent portal]

Nah don't get your own printer, unless you'll use it for other projects too

[wheat coral]

fun things are fun

[frigid night]

I have a list of stuff I want to make.

[wheat coral]

get a printer then

[frigid night]

I just don't have the room though

[wheat coral]

put it on the ceiling

[potent portal]

Having your own printer is fun but a pain in the butt

[frigid night]

Yeah I'll wait for the printer

[wheat coral]

indeed, hours of troubleshooting ensue with just one easy payment of 2-300$

[potent portal]

Just look at, what was it, GN? And their saga of getting the right printer, calibrating, leveling, etc, over like 4 videos, probably at least a week's work there or more.

It might have been JTC

[frigid night]

I like JTC

I watch a lot of his vids. He tells me lots of things

Plus, I like his yt personality

[potent portal]

Just don't listen to his $1500 build video, lots of questionable choices like 11700k and citing UBM for benchmarks

[frigid night]

I don't really watch his $ build vids. I generally watch his vids that give me knowledge about my newfound hobby.

[wheat coral]

agreed, 11700k, hyper 212 moment

[potent portal]

Yeah he's a decent source for some of the more fun info, but not to be taken too seriously imo

[frigid night]

Idk, maybe some of his stuff I've come across is wrong, but most of it seems to make sense.

[wheat coral]

my delid tool comes soon, im very excited

delid is on the 31st, rest of stuff is then

[frigid night]

I kinda want to delid the 13900 when it comes out.

[potent portal]

No point. 12th gen didn't see more than a few degrees better on hotspot delidded, and it's really risky

[frigid night]

Oh ok. That is good to know.

[wheat coral]

mhm, however, it does like an undervolt

[potent portal]

Oh yeah it undervolts like a champ

[frigid night]

I haven't played with undervolting yet.

[potent portal]

That's how you keep those temps under control, overclock + undervolt

[wheat coral]

mhm

[potent portal]

Same as my 5800X

[frigid night]

Tbh I don't really know what I'm doing.. I just know that I am at 5.2p and 4.0e

[wheat coral]

undervoltrs really well, im sure you can do like 1.24v 4.8 all core on a good chip or something similar

[frigid night]

And under load I hit 88c

[potent portal]

5.2 all core or single core?

[frigid night]

All pcore

[potent portal]

Dang that's not bad actually

[wheat coral]

no not at all, im sure you can go down to 5ghz and appriciate the 10c drop with undervolting though

and less power draw cause of less heat and voltage

[frigid night]

I might have to ask for your help later with it.. like I said, I don't really know what I'm doing.. I just kinda messed with settings I found online and thats what I was able to get stable.

[wheat coral]

sounds like a true overclocker

[frank stirrup]

or use a metric ton of double sided and normal tape

[frigid night]

Welcome to rawr's tech talk.

[potent portal]

Well you're not wrong

[frank stirrup]

yes tape fixes most issues

tape = good

[frigid night]

Most.

[potent portal]

Well, if it's not sticking and it should, tape. If it's sticking and it shouldn't, WD-40.

[frank stirrup]

I concur wd40 is nice

[wheat coral]

im uv ocing my 1080 and it does well

wd40 isnt the best lubricant

lithium grease ftw

[potent portal]

True it's not the best, but it's cheap and easy to find

And very multi purpose

[frigid night]

Idk about undervolting my 1650s

[frank stirrup]

deals with rust pretty well from my experience also the spray boi makes it so much easier

[wheat coral]

easy as pie, just no point to in your case

[frigid night]

Its running 67c under load while my room is at 85f

[potent portal]

Sounds like it's ok on temps then

[frigid night]

All my temps are with my room at 85f

Same as my cpu

[wheat coral]

im sure you can get e ven less power draw out of a 1650s at the same perf, just no point to

[frigid night]

I like my room warm

[wheat coral]

cause the 1650s is what a 100w card

meanwhile

[potent portal]

Yeah 100W

[wheat coral]

idk why ab said 100w for a second on my 1080

there we go

this card will pull 220w for no reason on stock pl

[frigid night]

What you playing?

[wheat coral]

tarkov

[wheat coral]

180w card btw

[frigid night]

Crazy.

[wheat coral]

its by no means slow, it just shouldnt be drawing 40w over pl at stock

stock is 1938mhz at 1038mv btw

im at 1974, 931 mv

~200w vs 150w

not like the strix card cares cooling wise, this thing cools very well

[frigid night]

I can't quite remember because I'm at work, but I believe I'm running +145 or 245 for the graphics and 2k? For memory.

[frigid night]

13:35 is right about what my clocks are at.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOoWxoYJs0w&t=704

[wheat coral]

not bad

2ghz is about average for 10-30 series

[frigid night]

What does curve mean?

[wheat coral]

voltage/frequency curve

[frank stirrup]

maybe take this to #overclocking

[wheat coral]

basically means i lock my card at a certain voltage and freq

[frigid night]

Yes master.

[frank stirrup]

thanks i hate you

[analog pulsar]

@potent portal @obsidian wigeon okay thanks yes am5 is coming out but it's ddr5 so I'm passing on that and I might pass on 13th gen just go 12th gen then

[formal girder]

Why do that when 13th gen isn't too far unless it's like another 10th gen to 11th gen sand wasting incident

[analog pulsar]

@formal girder bc like i said 13th gen is ddr5 only but neverminf that im redoing my drowing board again

[mossy venture]

no it isnt

it will run ddr4 on 600 series boards

[analog pulsar]

So z690

[mossy venture]

h610, b660, h670, z690

[analog pulsar]

What other intel boards are there

[mossy venture]

for 600 series, afaik none

[analog pulsar]

Oh then why does Google say 13th gen will only run on 600 series boards and not just say 13th gen will run ddr4

[mossy venture]

idk

i didnt make the site

and tbf these are just rumors

nothing is confirmed

13th gen could support ddr4 on 700 series boards

or it could only support ddr5, its just unlikely

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar sorry for ping but okay so DDR4 and DDR5 so I wanna build a computer as you know im back at the drawing board bc of what you said so you said 13th gen is coming so i can try for a 32GB kit of ram but if im running 3vms with 8GB to each thats 32-8= 24-8= 16-8= 8 ram left for me...i mean i can technally do it but 8GB is kinda small but i found this ram that looks nice

[jagged ember]

that still seems like a lot for 32gb

[analog pulsar]

yea but it has fast speeds ig

[jagged ember]

I do hope 13th gen supports ddr4

[mossy venture]

its also worse than 3600c16

[jagged ember]

then you don't nearly have to spend as much on worse ram

[analog pulsar]

thats not what sips said

[jagged ember]

ddr5 isn't very mature last I remember

[mossy venture]

then why not listen, he knows what hes talking about

[jagged ember]

and a lot of kits are still worse than current ddr5 kits

but hey if sips said it's good

it be

[mossy venture]

wait i misread that message

[jagged ember]

I just thought with a cl32 timing it was worse lol

[analog pulsar]

brb

[mossy venture]

subtimings are the issue

[jagged ember]

102

at the very end

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tfFbt6/gskill-tridentz-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl16-memory-f4-4000c16d-32gtzra theres also this

[formal girder]

13th gen will support ddr4 on 600 series boards but 700 series chipsets won't have ddr4 compatibility only ddr5

[mossy venture]

top of the line for ddr5

[analog pulsar]

yea

[mossy venture]

not top of the line for ram

[analog pulsar]

🤔

well then they said this

[mossy venture]

i wonder why

[analog pulsar]

so idk if they implying that 6400CL32 is good

@earnest olive clarify your message please

hm

oh ram is 32-39-39-102

https://www.pcgamer.com/best-ddr5-ram-for-gaming-in-2022/

[mossy venture]

best ddr5 ram for gaming

not best ram

[analog pulsar]

LOL

[mossy venture]

if youre gonna buy ddr5, theres this as well https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XNwypg/gskill-ripjaws-s5-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-5600-cl30-memory-f5-5600j3036d32gx2-rs5k

a bit more price justified

[analog pulsar]

oh okay but i would like RGB too

well we can go with a 32GB kit but i was just explaning i might run out of ram unless maybe i can make my stroage turn into ram or something

[mossy venture]

.

[analog pulsar]

👀

i heard your storange turns into ram if your about to run out

[mossy venture]

no

just no

[formal girder]

[analog pulsar]

what

[mossy venture]

ram is random access memory

storage is not random access memory

it is long term storage

[obsidian wigeon]

^

also well, kenzie is talking about paging file

it's only used in dire situations tbh

[analog pulsar]

oh

[obsidian wigeon]

cause once it hits storage enough

it'll slow down so much

you'd be stuttering and stuff

storage is much slower than ram

even if it's the best ssd in the world

[analog pulsar]

oh

[obsidian wigeon]

so the answer is have enough ram or bust

[analog pulsar]

oh

[formal girder]

Time to blow money on more ram ig

[mossy venture]

256gb or nothing'

[analog pulsar]

well the vms wont be running like forever maybe some week days and mostly weekends

[mossy venture]

ram doesnt add up usage

one thign will use 5gb, it wont randomly become 10 after a week

it stays around 5, unless its something that varies a lot in its ram usage

[analog pulsar]

yes ik this vms will only use 8GB if i give them it but my ram usage on my computer vaires based on what i have open and what game im playing bc ik my one game takes like 7GB just for itself i think its satisfactory

so should i squeeze by with a 32GB kit or 64GB kit

[mossy venture]

i would get a 64gb ddr4 kit over a 32gb ddr5 kit

[fossil cedar]

Go ddr4 3600mhz cl16 or 4000mhz cl18 instead

[analog pulsar]

well theres this but its 4600 CL19

[obsidian wigeon]

that's ddr5 price

[mossy venture]

32gb of ddr4 for $300

plox

[obsidian wigeon]

but that's cheap for what it is

[fossil cedar]

6400c32 is great if you ignore price

[mossy venture]

since you want rgb https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kJvqqs/gskill-trident-z-neo-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-f4-3600c16d-64gtzn

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RjzFf7/gskill-trident-z-rgb-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-64gtzr or

[analog pulsar]

can you run ddr5 in 4 stick or will you run in same issue like you said in general

[fossil cedar]

@analog pulsar get the b die 3600 kit i linked in tech deals imo

[analog pulsar]

whats B die

[mossy venture]

good ram

[fossil cedar]

Ddr5 has a hard time running 4 sticks so even more of an issue

[analog pulsar]

oh

[fossil cedar]

Samsung b die, the overclocking ram

It means you get better timings etc also it's only 180$ for 32gb

[analog pulsar]

its 155 for me

[fossil cedar]

Plus 24$ shipping

[analog pulsar]

free for me

[fossil cedar]

Even better

[vague oracle]

Isn’t that just a 16gb kit?

I didn’t see anywhere it sayings it 32Gb

And isn’t 32Gb b die neo usually around $250?

[frank stirrup]

Its a 16 gb one yeah

[analog pulsar]

👀

[fossil cedar]

You're right

[fossil cedar]

Amazon was being dumb and brought me there when i clicked on a 32gb kit ;-;

[frank stirrup]

16G in 16GTZN is capacity

[fossil cedar]

Good catch alec

[mossy venture]

should cancel the order kenzie

[vague oracle]

I most looked into it because I was about to buy it

[analog pulsar]

i didnt order

i was looking at it

[analog pulsar]

for MSI mobos is Edge or carbon good

they both have wifi so thats good

[stoic island]

Carbon

[analog pulsar]

Why's that

[stoic island]

better vrms

[analog pulsar]

Oh okay

Okay what about Gigabyte arous elite AX z690 or MSI carbon wifi z690

I have both mobos pulled up they kinda look same

Msi is 2x8 pin cpu and Gigabyte is 1x8 pin plus 4 pin cpu

[formal girder]

I just went with a mag 690 tomahawk with wifi and called it a day and vrms are under control temp wise

[earnest olive]

I think it's pretty clear

[analog pulsar]

not if i am dumb

[earnest olive]

mediocre ddr5 gets outperformed by good ddr4 that is also cheaper

only the highest end ddr5 outperforms ddr4 at this time

and only by a tiny amount

like 1-3%

[analog pulsar]

yea thats wahy i think you said

[analog pulsar]

here ?

[earnest olive]

yes

[analog pulsar]

i did find ddr5 for 6400 CL32

thats pretty high aint it

[earnest olive]

yes but 32gb 6400c32 is more expensive than 64gb 4000c18

you have a genuine use case for 64gb

[analog pulsar]

yea but plus "most" mobos arnt really ddr4 only a handful i found

[mossy venture]

Msi z690-a is more than enough for any cpu and is ddr4

[analog pulsar]

like msi carbon is ddr5

[earnest olive]

there are plenty of readily available good z690 ddr4 boards

[analog pulsar]

well one i had in mind was Gigabyte elite AX

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GvmmP6/msi-pro-z690-a-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-ddr4

[analog pulsar]

yea but i dont really like how bland it is

[earnest olive]

any vrm temp info with that board and a 12900KS?

[mossy venture]

Wouldn't it be the same as with a 12900k?

[earnest olive]

no

[mossy venture]

Since a KS is just a highly binned k?

[earnest olive]

12900KS has higher power limits and higher VIDs and for overclocking people are usually trying to push it a tiny bit higher

[mossy venture]

Ah

[earnest olive]

not a big difference at all but still >0

not doubting it's a competent board just curious

my experience with z490-a pro for overclocking was excellent

[analog pulsar]

theres this DDR4 board

[formal girder]

Your going for aesthetics aren't ya

[analog pulsar]

my pc is slowing down

@earnest olive my pc is bottlenecking

[earnest olive]

overclock it

dell explodes

[analog pulsar]

this is nice too ig

its the tomahawk but theres no RGB

[earnest olive]

I like the look of that better than rgb boards lol

that actually looks so clean

[analog pulsar]

i mean 2x8 pin probs better then 8 plus 4

[analog pulsar]

🤔

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h9pjnt @earnest olive says everything is compatible

[earnest olive]

it does not matter unless you're going to put LN2 on it lol

[analog pulsar]

hm

then what one would you pick gigabyte or msi

[frank stirrup]

even then it doesnt really matter from what forks said afaik

[earnest olive]

well...

if i'm pushing >500W through my cpu i would rather have more than 1x8

[analog pulsar]

omg

@earnest olive gigabyte has this

MSI

[earnest olive]

kenzie

i promise you that the differences in vrms between these boards do not matter to you

[formal girder]

I have this specific board and it's such a miracle worker

[frank stirrup]

wait kenzie didnt u sell ur 3080ti pc for less than what this pc costs?

also u 100% dont need a 12900k

12700k more than enough

[analog pulsar]

okay then what matters bc they very close in price

[earnest olive]

look at the features and pick what you like more

both will have good enough vrms

[formal girder]

I'd say msi MAG Z690 tomahawk would be better choice

[analog pulsar]

im gunna pick gigabyte has it has RGB and more USB ports

[formal girder]

Have fun with the software for the rgb

[earnest olive]

can just use openrgb

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive how many cpus would you give a gaming vm like 4 or 5

[earnest olive]

i have no experience on this front

[frank stirrup]

depends on the game

bruh imagine if 12900k allocates e cores to vm

💀

[earnest olive]

4 p-cores to host system, 4 p-cores to one vm, 8 e-cores to one vm

wonder how well it would work

[analog pulsar]

if i give 3 vms each 5 cores that leaves me with 5 cores

threads

[frank stirrup]

tbh if i wanted to vm id go 5950x over 12900k

just easier to not have to deal with e cores

[analog pulsar]

[fossil cedar]

Splitting mix of e an p cores evenly isn't gonna be easy

[analog pulsar]

poop

okay

what about AM5

[ornate condor]

Lol E cores are amazing

[frank stirrup]

ok now try running multiple virtual machines so that each get an even assortment of p and e cores

and host machine keeps some p and e cores as well so it doesnt experience slowdowns

[frank stirrup]

u ask for info on something that doesnt exist yet

what u want us to say?

[ornate condor]

E cores are actually powerful enough to run virtual machine I guess lol

Just lower glock speed

[frank stirrup]

ok but the vm isnt gonna be idling

[frank stirrup]

no they are architecturally different not just lower clocks

[fossil cedar]

@analog pulsar for your use case I'd do this, but I'd recommend waiting til am5/13th gen if you can
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JKLC8r

[earnest olive]

i saw someone selling a 5950x for so cheap i got tempted to buy it

but... i don't need 16 cores

would rather have 5800x3d if i'm upgrading

[analog pulsar]

its like $548 n amazon

[ornate condor]

I got 12900k and P cores usually only running while playing AAA games

[fossil cedar]

Indood

[earnest olive]

im talking like

$320

lol

[fossil cedar]

Sheesh

[earnest olive]

from a friend so i know it's not scam

[analog pulsar]

so is x570 or b550 good

[earnest olive]

you only need a b550

[fossil cedar]

Damm

[ornate condor]

It was for 520$ at woot.com

[fossil cedar]

B550

Is plenty

[analog pulsar]

whats x570

[earnest olive]

you do not need it sir

[ornate condor]

Lol

[fossil cedar]

A chipset with more IO capabilities

[analog pulsar]

okay let me go on and look at that

[earnest olive]

sir

you

do not

need it

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive SIPS

calm down

[earnest olive]

okay let me explain this simply

[analog pulsar]

im talking about b550

[earnest olive]

oh

[analog pulsar]

omg

[ornate condor]

I bought gigatrash x570 aero G but it was doa and went to nzxt b550

[earnest olive]

okay

carry on

[fossil cedar]

But more expansive just as good board

[earnest olive]

however

[analog pulsar]

LOL

[earnest olive]

i will explain x570 to you anyways

[analog pulsar]

yay

i think someone said its the abliity to OC

[earnest olive]

x570 just has more pcie 4 lanes and generally worse vrms at the same price as b550 due to the more expensive chipset

no, b550 can oc

[cyan ravine]

they all have oc ability

[fossil cedar]

Good techie pat pat

[earnest olive]

b550 tends to oc better than x570 at same price

[earnest olive]

?

[analog pulsar]

oh

[earnest olive]

pato go fetch me a coffee

[cyan ravine]

[fossil cedar]

You explained like good tecky

[earnest olive]

b550 can run a 4.0 x16 gpu + 4.0 x4 ssd

[novel wraith]

does anyone have any recommendations for a good gaming laptop

[earnest olive]

so the only reason to get x570 is if your life hinges on having 2+ gen 4 ssds

[analog pulsar]

sheeeeeesh amd mobs cheap

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/milk-mocha-milk-and-mocha-bears-morning-mornin-gif-13418523

[earnest olive]

check r/laptopdeals

or r/hardwareswap

[fossil cedar]

Budget and country?

[analog pulsar]

wait can i run 4.0 ssd on b550 like 1 slot

[earnest olive]

yes

[ornate condor]

Does pcie m2 adapters effects performance ? Or any of them would do it ?

[earnest olive]

i'm running 3090 + gen 4 ssd + gen 3 ssd on b550

[novel wraith]

us and id like to say my cap is 1600

[analog pulsar]

oh good

[cyan ravine]

it splits the lanes

[ornate condor]

I want to add 5th ssd lol

All 4 m2 slots are full

[cyan ravine]

so for 1 gpu + 1 m.2 card you run 8+8

[ornate condor]

Oh does it takes pcie line from gpu ?

I have white strix 3090

[cyan ravine]

cpu only has so many lanes unless you go HEDT

[analog pulsar]

I bought this a while back is it okay to get again btw its not 300 its 179

[subtle halo]

i bought my b550-f wifi like 165 usd

what the hell is that

305

xD

[cyan ravine]

I would still pick the aorus v2

[analog pulsar]

it is

[earnest olive]

I got my b550 steel legend for 90 and it's a better board than that b550-f strix lol

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive oh sad no 5.0 pcie

[fossil cedar]

I'd probably get this
https://www.newegg.com/p/1TS-000E-0WTU1?itemPosition=1-11&exactIndex=2

[earnest olive]

looks good

[novel wraith]

that looks really reasonable

[fossil cedar]

Tfw list gets ignored 😔

[ornate condor]

My current build is 12900k + rog strix Z690-A DDR5 and white strix 3090
All 4 M2 slots are full lol people offered to use pcie m2 adapter to add more ssd lol

Idk if it worth it

[analog pulsar]

you talking to me

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/sigh-nph-gif-10826948

Ye

[earnest olive]

bad techie

bad list

where is hyper 212 my beloved

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar no i saw your list i have it pulled up in my browser

[novel wraith]

i know it isnt newegg but what are your thoughts on this @fossil cedar https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08842D7JS/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A2DASUUP9BYKG8&psc=1

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar just not many USB ports

[subtle halo]

wanna get aourus master? @analog pulsar

[fossil cedar]

Embarrassing for the price

[novel wraith]

fair enough

[fossil cedar]

7 not enough?

[subtle halo]

steel legend?

[analog pulsar]

i charge my phones and stuuff from my pc lol so not really

[novel wraith]

how about this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09127DDVT/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

[analog pulsar]

plus webcam and mic and other stuff

i have a lot of USB stuff

[cyan ravine]

man look at that aorus go

[fossil cedar]

Phones plural? Also you'll have case io that's 2 more, and if i where charging a load of things I'd recommend a usb hub instead, would be cleaner imo

[cyan ravine]

🤩

[subtle halo]

yeah

[fossil cedar]

Oh that's a nice find

[novel wraith]

would you screen size is something that matters or no

[fossil cedar]

Yes

[earnest olive]

that's b550m

also

[fossil cedar]

13" is too small on a laptop imo 15.6 is the sweet spot

[earnest olive]

i'm talking about feature set

i don't really care if the b550-f has better vrms

[novel wraith]

16' or 17' too big?

[earnest olive]

my vrm temps hit like 50c in prime95

[novel wraith]

i would never get 13'

[subtle halo]

but isnt that crucial

[earnest olive]

no?

[subtle halo]

ok

[earnest olive]

if my vrms are already way more than good enough

i'd rather have a better featureset than even more overkill vrms

show me where the post code display is on the b550-f

[subtle halo]

i care about temps than features xD but i wish its nice to have strix or aorus master both are fine

[analog pulsar]

ill just get same mobo as @subtle halo

we will be matching

[subtle halo]

you dont like aourus master?

aight bet

[earnest olive]

there's no benefit to running vrms at 40c instead of 50c tomie

[analog pulsar]

its $300

[cyan ravine]

then get aorus elite it's 200

[novel wraith]

@fossil cedar out of these two which would you say is better https://www.newegg.com/p/1TS-000E-0WTU1?itemPosition=1-11&exactIndex=2 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09127DDVT/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

[subtle halo]

ow i see

[cyan ravine]

best b550 board

[analog pulsar]

how dare you talk back to an AI

[subtle halo]

well in ebay @bitter mason got a nice deal

on aorus master

like 100 usd +

xD lucky guy

haha

[earnest olive]

i'll run prime95 small ffts avx for 5 minutes right now and show you the temps

[analog pulsar]

oh well i dont wanna shop ebay

[subtle halo]

but yeah non open box ... the smell of new box

❤️

[earnest olive]

lol my PC is so loud rn

it's hot in my room

[analog pulsar]

https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-amd-b550-motherboards

[earnest olive]

so my CPU is hitting 89C

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive ayyyyyy

[earnest olive]

meanwhile

[subtle halo]

jpw ,icj

how much *

[fossil cedar]

imo yes, doesnt fit in most laptop bags and kinda awkward to move around

[novel wraith]

fair enough

[fossil cedar]

the MSI Pulse GL66

[earnest olive]

48C now

oh nooo

board overheating

[analog pulsar]

[novel wraith]

sounds good

[fossil cedar]

how long has p95 been on for this?

[earnest olive]

asrock boards are so bad guys

[analog pulsar]

whos fault is that for living in such a hot place

[earnest olive]

theres a timer on hwinfo

[earnest olive]

it was a joke the vrms are literally cold

[analog pulsar]

sus

[fossil cedar]

i just saw 2nd screenshot it was cropped from first my b

[earnest olive]

5 minutes in, bouncing between 49 and 50

room temp is like 25c

[fossil cedar]

wait lemme pull up p95 on my board

[earnest olive]

oh god

pato no

spare your poor b450m ds3h

120c vrm explosion

[analog pulsar]

you know what ill just get this and its E-atx

[subtle halo]

yeah sure xD

[analog pulsar]

godlike had no price

[earnest olive]

anyways i'm gonna stop p95 i think i made my point

i don't need better vrms than this

[fossil cedar]

brb in 5 mins gonna dm you address incase you needa call the fire department to my house

[novel wraith]

@fossil cedar do you think you could help me find something with a bit more ram

well after youre back

[earnest olive]

LMAO

[subtle halo]

sheesh dint see u been so toxic about it xD well its m variant and yours is not. so i agree with that test..

[earnest olive]

is this toxic

im just tired of people always saying asrock boards are garbage

everyone believes all asrock boards belong in the trash for some reason

[frank stirrup]

I have it and im on standby

[earnest olive]

im running 3800c14 gdm off on this board as well

[subtle halo]

well its their experience i guess

[fossil cedar]

16gb is enough and 32gb in a laptop is usually reserved for the high end ones, might be better off just buying a 32gb kit of laptop ram and doing it yourself

[earnest olive]

and it's got better features than b550-f strix

[subtle halo]

also maybe they live on hot area

[earnest olive]

tomie

[cyan ravine]

this answers what I was about to ask, thanks lol

[earnest olive]

ive had 40c room temps

[analog pulsar]

[earnest olive]

and this board has still been fine

[fossil cedar]

still going okay

[novel wraith]

@fossil cedar have any kit suggestions then lmao

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive give me your cpu

[earnest olive]

if you wanted to see my daily

i can knock it down to c12 for some benches and c13 for all benches

[cyan ravine]

👀

[earnest olive]

budget rev. e kit

my ambients are too hot to run b-die without a ram waterblock

and i really don't want to deal with that

i can also knock down tRFC to 280ns when it's colder

rev. e good enough

[cyan ravine]

I was gonna ask even if ram fan but then I realised it probably doesn't get much better than this anyway lol

[frank stirrup]

u still alive? im looking up the emergency number in ireland rn

[earnest olive]

yeah i've tried 2x60mm and 1x120mm

still have trouble keeping dimms below 50c with ram fan at full blast

purpose built or improvised larger fan

rgb off

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive why chrome bottle necking me

[earnest olive]

you have an 11 year old quad core

[analog pulsar]

haha

[frank stirrup]

OK PATO I HAVE 112 DIALLED IN DO I NEED TO HIT CALL

[cyan ravine]

tmw chrome harder to run than games

[earnest olive]

lol maybe you should run opera gx until you get your upgrade

limit its resources

[analog pulsar]

yea

maybe

[earnest olive]

i did aim my leaf blower at my ram while running stress test

that was funny to watch the ram temps fall

[analog pulsar]

LOL

8W

i never seen it that low

[earnest olive]

@cyan ravine enjoy

500 watt "ram fan"

[fossil cedar]

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-PC4-25600-Unbuffered-Notebook-Computer/dp/B08T17RQ87 or https://www.newegg.com/silicon-power-32gb-260-pin-ddr4-so-dimm/p/N82E16820301464 basically no difference just depends which retailer you prefer

[fossil cedar]

yes

[analog pulsar]

MY EARS

[frank stirrup]

ok i already called ambulance tho

[earnest olive]

idk, i think i can daily b-die if i just keep this 500 watt leaf blower permanently pointing at it

thoughts?

[frank stirrup]

sorry

[frank stirrup]

yeah i think so

[earnest olive]

sounds viable for daily i think

[analog pulsar]

wtf is V2 on motherboards

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/panik-kalm-calm-meme-memer-gif-20895926

wait i dont live in america all good

[earnest olive]

just a hardware revision

[novel wraith]

would a single 32gb do fine or do i need 2x 16gb

[earnest olive]

2x16 PLEASE

[fossil cedar]

havent dieded yet

gonna stop now

[frank stirrup]

pato arrive to gamor

[analog pulsar]

@wide sparrow plz explain why they want you

[earnest olive]

how does chassis intrusion even work?

i've never seen chassis intrusion say yes

[cyan ravine]

mine only ever says yes

[earnest olive]

even when i stick a leaf blower in my pc

[cyan ravine]

[earnest olive]

i have like half a case

idk

the chassis has definitely been intruded

sometimes i stick my hand in my pc to cool it down

[fossil cedar]

pogor

[frank stirrup]

is this yes?

[fossil cedar]

oui

[earnest olive]

minor chassis intrusion

[cyan ravine]

oh

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[frank stirrup]

DID U ASK FOR CONSENT

[earnest olive]

so i guess if you don't have a sensor it just says whatever it feels like

[obsidian wigeon]

yeup

[cyan ravine]

yea ig

[earnest olive]

i've done horrible, horrible things to this pc

don't ask

[obsidian wigeon]

[earnest olive]

having its cmos reset with a knife is the least of its worries

[obsidian wigeon]

you-

[earnest olive]

did you know that your pc remembers how many times you've made it crash?

[obsidian wigeon]

used a what

[earnest olive]

i'll be one of the first to die in the AI uprising

[obsidian wigeon]

wow

lol

[earnest olive]

i've used weirder things than a knife to reset cmos

[subtle halo]

u gonna get aorus master kenzie? its cute it has 3 nvme slot

[earnest olive]

i just grab the nearest metal object

sometimes that's a knife

sometimes that's a 3.5mm headphone plug

sometimes that's a zipper

sometimes that's something boring like a pen

[subtle halo]

i want those bords with reset cmos

button at the back

[analog pulsar]

HAHA is sips worst then me

[earnest olive]

i mean

i've broken more 3090s than you

so yes

[bitter mason]

$130 lol

[obsidian wigeon]

my laptop has seen better days

it got dropped many times

previous owner did the most of the damage

but mine was the worst one

single one too lmao

[subtle halo]

you have a good ram oc result on it right?

[obsidian wigeon]

broke a plastic tab holding top body

[bitter mason]

maybe get one of those laptop cases? lol

[obsidian wigeon]

it's fine tho

[analog pulsar]

HAHAHA

[obsidian wigeon]

didn't compromise anything structure wise

things works fine

i don't need laptop case

[earnest olive]

kenzie i think you need to break 2 3090s to one-up me

[bitter mason]

well depends on "good." My daily RAM OC is the same as it was on the ASUS board but when I go benchcrazy I was able to get 4800c16

[obsidian wigeon]

im pretty careful after that fall

i learned that lol

[subtle halo]

i once rage on my laptop and hit the keeb.. and the laptop just shutdown.. i thought its dead

[obsidian wigeon]

lol damn

[bitter mason]

but running desynced FCLK for daily is silly

[earnest olive]

i love my laptop too much to hurt it

i've put it through too much already

[bitter mason]

I don't use mine enough to hurt it lol

[analog pulsar]

I took ram out of pc while it was on

[bitter mason]

I put a screen protector on it & have the little carrying case

[subtle halo]

do 6000 xD any timings

[earnest olive]

smh kenzie

[bitter mason]

of course the power brick is too big fit in the case so that drives me nuts

[earnest olive]

be that one youtuber that took cpu out of pc while it was on

and deep fried the cpu

[analog pulsar]

Hey it wasnt my fault tomie didnt make the instructions more clear

she said to take ram out of pc

[bitter mason]

lol the highest I got was 5000 on rev e. I don't think there's much DDR4 out there that does 6000 & you probably need 11th or 12th gen to pull that off

[analog pulsar]

so i followed what she said

[bitter mason]

I think this 5600g is a lost cause & my dad doesn't need 4533c17 RAM

"No cause is lost if there is but one fool left to fight for it" ...Pirates of the Caribbean... nobody? okay nvm

[subtle halo]

sheesh

pirate carib

is dead

[bitter mason]

it wouldn't do 5033mhz tho

[subtle halo]

no johnny no pirate carib

[bitter mason]

I tried lol

ya Pirates is gone. RIP. the newer movies were kinda meh anyway

[subtle halo]

spooderman is nice

multiverse dr strange is nice

[bitter mason]

my son is big fan

I don't mind watching Spiderman any day over his silly Minecraft Youtube videos

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar what about am5 thats "suppose" to come out do you have anytrhing to say about it

[bitter mason]

Fall 2022

maybe I'll put my SR bdie in dad build so I can get really tight timings with meh frequency so SOC will leave me alone

I'll save SR DJR/Rev E for 11600KF fun time

& have an excuse to get more SR bdie (4000c14 or 4800c17)

[analog pulsar]

is carbon best mobo

[bitter mason]

I have that board

wait no

I have B550-F

wait nvm nvm

forget everything I said

if you're gonna go MSI, just remember (1) MSI BIOS are the most complicated BIOS by like 1000% & (b) get B550 Unify-X lol

[analog pulsar]

it comes with this thingy

[analog pulsar]

okay

[bitter mason]

you need a mouse PS2 port? lol

[analog pulsar]

no lol

[subtle halo]

xD

[bitter mason]

I mean if you wanna try to run Windows XP with AM4 then go ahead but

lol

[subtle halo]

grandpa friendly

[analog pulsar]

~~https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7HjNnQ/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-aorus-elite~~
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FMxbt6/gigabyte-b550-aorus-pro-ac-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-aorus-pro-ac
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JXBhP6/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-atx-am4-motherboard-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming

okay ig these 3

[subtle halo]

elite cross that out

[analog pulsar]

why

[subtle halo]

you dont like master? or orange mobo

[analog pulsar]

master is like 264

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QN7p99/gigabyte-b550-aorus-master-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-aorus-master

is master really worth it @subtle halo

[subtle halo]

its a choice

but i like it. xD that cost a lot here also in my country

i got the strix because it was kinda sale

remember pc parts we dont get discount here xD

[analog pulsar]

i just need mobo thats supports my cpu and cools my ssd

[subtle halo]

only the subscription base

type

well i vote on master.. orange vote on his mobo..

[analog pulsar]

sad

[subtle halo]

ask people to suggest good b550

u got 2 option so far

[analog pulsar]

one moment

[bitter mason]

ya I think Unify-X is even more expensive than master

hence why I got master instead

[novel wraith]

would these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08T17RQ87/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=AWD7GDDT7Q2ZT&th=1 or 2x 32Gb of these be compatible with an MSI Pulse Gl66?

[bitter mason]

my only warning with master has been intermittent USB issues--primarily with external SSD via USB C

[bitter mason]

which CPU does laptop have?

[analog pulsar]

@subtle halo i just looked all mobos say same thing

[novel wraith]

well this is the laptop https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09127DDVT/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_5?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

[analog pulsar]

they neeed adapters

[bitter mason]

also--I doubt it but--just gotta be sure laptop doesn't have soldered RAM

[novel wraith]

Intel Core i7-11800H

[subtle halo]

they dont say that on specs xD

[analog pulsar]

ay its 254 with tax and it works

no more adapters

[bitter mason]

how much RAM do you have in laptop now?

[novel wraith]

i dont have it yet i wanna know if i buy it if i would be able to upgrade it

[bitter mason]

unify-x is excellent RAM OC board. Kinda jealous ngl

[novel wraith]

it says 2x 8gb

@bitter mason

[bitter mason]

does it say frequency & timings?

[novel wraith]

i have no clue lol

[bitter mason]

i.e., 3200c16-18-18-38 or something like that?

[novel wraith]

im not much of a techie

[analog pulsar]

im gunna go unify bc its cheaper then master plus it had all the ports i need

[analog pulsar]

LOL

LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF

[bitter mason]

yes will fit & should run at 3200

[novel wraith]

so if i bought the msi pulse gl66 i can upgrade the ram with either 2x 16gb or 2x 32gb

[bitter mason]

yes I wanted to get it so bad lol I dunno why I settled for Aorus B550 Master tbh. I guess cuz the price was like I can't say no but damn buyer's remorse rn

[novel wraith]

any recommendations on which one i should do @bitter mason

[analog pulsar]

LOL

@bitter mason ill let you use my pc and you can OC ram for me

[earnest olive]

it's laptop ram, it'll usually be jedec

[bitter mason]

64gb RAM isn't really necessary for most people

[novel wraith]

so i should be fine with 32

[analog pulsar]

you get to use board and i get OCed ram

deal

[earnest olive]

msi is the only major laptop brand that allows you to ram oc that i know of

[bitter mason]

was going based off this https://www.msi.com/Laptop/Pulse-GL66-11UX/Specification

[fossil cedar]

In like 2-3 months ost likely

[earnest olive]

yeah, ddr4-3200 22-22-22-52 1.2v

[bitter mason]

lol I'll help you for sure

[novel wraith]

thanks

[fossil cedar]

No point going 64gb

[novel wraith]

cheaper for me anyways

[bitter mason]

thing is, with AM4 CPU, you'll likely only be able to daily 3800mhz cuz of FCLK

so getting Unify-X is more for benchmarks

so kinda overkill

[bitter mason]

ya so really the only thing that makes it worth changing the RAM is to have more of it, not really faster?

[novel wraith]

whats the difference between the msi Pulse GL66 11UEK Pulse GL66 11UDK and Pulse GL66 11UCK

?

[earnest olive]

like i said

msi can ram oc

i run my laptop at 3600 19-20-20-40 1T gear 1

[bitter mason]

oh so you can jsut activate XMP?

[earnest olive]

actually saw massive gaming perf gains

[earnest olive]

almost zero laptop ram kits have xmp profiles

[bitter mason]

looks like 11UEK has 1440p screen option

[earnest olive]

my laptop ram has no xmp

but i can manual oc

and that's all that matters

[novel wraith]

so is it worth trying to get that one

[cyan ravine]

wait fr? I have an msi laptop in the other room

[bitter mason]

UEK comes with 3060 instead of 3050ti or 3050

[cyan ravine]

[bitter mason]

an extra NVMe

[earnest olive]

yeah, you even get secondaries and tertiaries

no RTLs/IOLs or VCCIO sadly

but you do get manual VCCSA

you can also go up to 1.65 vdimm

[bitter mason]

oh ya for sure but that's if you wanna go all RAM OC crazy not just set & forget lol

[earnest olive]

but since i'm just sticking with the OEM RAM, it hits negative scaling really hard above 1.25vdimm

[cyan ravine]

lowkey fastest mobile gamer because ram go brr

[earnest olive]

so i'm stuck with 3600c19

dude no kidding

my 11800H beats my 5800X in time spy

3600c19 vs 3800c13

here's my laptop ram oc

msi gp66 leopard 11ug-018

[fossil cedar]

Hmm how?

[bitter mason]

11th gen good except 11900K wasn't the powerhouse everyone wanted so took major blow for that

[novel wraith]

well on amazon its $179 for 2x 32gb ram kit compared to the $89 2x16gb ram kit you showed me

[earnest olive]

my laptop actually puts out the same gaming performance as my 3090 desktop

because it's at 1080p vs the 3090 at 1440p

it's kinda nutty

[analog pulsar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Jayson1156/saved/nXJyWZ @earnest olive i rechanged my list now i think we set

[bitter mason]

damn 5950x? jeez

[earnest olive]

double liquid metal + ram oc + bios hacks to make the 3070 permanently 140W + all core cpu oc

my 11800H is oced to 4.6ghz @ 1.15v

[novel wraith]

@fossil cedar @bitter mason so would you guys say this https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16834155856R?Description=msi Pulse GL66 11UEK&cm_re=msi_Pulse GL66 11UEK-_-34-155-856R-_-Product&quicklink=true is better than https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09127DDVT/ref=crt_ewc_img_srh_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

the only thing im worried about is the uek is open box

[analog pulsar]

yea we going with that instead of 12900k bc of vms and P-E cores we dontr know how they work with vms

[bitter mason]

don't do 64gb RAM

[earnest olive]

he has a genuine use case for 64gb

it's okay

[bitter mason]

you'll end up with MJR or something that doesn't overclock well at all

[cyan ravine]

vm

[bitter mason]

oh alright then

[earnest olive]

i don't think he wants to do ram oc either lol

[bitter mason]

probably better trying to find 4xbdie DIMMs tho

[analog pulsar]

i mean could but is there a benefit

[bitter mason]

also you're paying more for that 4000c18 XMP

[analog pulsar]

i run everything at stock and i got like above 60FPS in my games

[bitter mason]

& you're not gonna be able to run XMP

[earnest olive]

there is, but the effort to benefit ratio is not worth it unless you're insane like us and actually enjoy ram overclocking

[bitter mason]

cuz 3800/1900 is the max for zen 3 usually

[vague oracle]

Can someone talk me out of buying the Crosshair VIII Impact? Rn I’m looking at it and loving it

[analog pulsar]

bruh now i need to find new ram

[vague oracle]

6 USBs is great, 2 M.2 slots on a DTX board

[analog pulsar]

[earnest olive]

i mean, you could always manually tune the ram down a bit

[bitter mason]

I think 3600c14 16x4 would be the best cuz you can easily bump to 3800c14 like I did but 4x16gb DIMMs is gonna be expensive

ya or do like sips says

[vague oracle]

and a CMOS clear button. I’m really tempted to buy this board

[bitter mason]

it'll always run slower than XMP lol

[earnest olive]

3600c16 is fine

[analog pulsar]

well if im buying 4000 i would like to use that not tune it down

[earnest olive]

the difference between 3600c16 and 3600c14 is practically nothing if you're not going to bother with seconds/terts

not worth spending so much money for

really no reason for casual users to shell out for b-die

[earnest olive]

official spec doesn't matter

[cyan ravine]

oh no, jedec

[earnest olive]

i can run 4800 on my cpu that's rated for "3200 maximum"

[earnest olive]

100% of samples should be able to do 3600

with 2x SR anyways

gets a little more questionable with 64gb

but 3600 still likely to work with 64gb

[fossil cedar]

3070 is better than 3060

[fossil cedar]

So 32gb is cheaper lol

[earnest olive]

you could, but you'd be losing more than 10% performance

3800c14 absolutely destroys 4800c16 on ryzen in my testing

not even close

[novel wraith]

yes

[earnest olive]

same ram kit

mostly same subtimings

[novel wraith]

@fossil cedar ik the 3070 is better than the 3060 but i dont think the one with the 3070 has extra room for another ssd like the 3060 has

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive they have 64GB 3600 CL18 or 3200 CL16

[bitter mason]

850w is enough for 3080+5950x right?

[cyan ravine]

what would you say to cheap as hell be ded 4x16 and tune it well

[earnest olive]

yes

[bitter mason]

even if PBO & OC GPU?

[earnest olive]

yes

[bitter mason]

okay just making sure

I'd go single-rail jic but Rev DF was a great PSU for me

[earnest olive]

i really don't think kenzie is going to take the time to tune b-die