building-and-recc-chat

[dense palm]

but overall shortage of stuff

crypto died down a bit making it better to get cards

[stoic island]

You can actually buy cards retail at like 20% over MSRP instead of 100% over MSRP

[dense palm]

but russia-ukraine stuff might be a problem on the long run

not to mention CN blockage stuff

[stoic island]

Tsmc statement before said they had enough neon for a while

[fossil cedar]

Not really crypto, just demand decreasing a bit + more supply as newer fabs begin to kick in

[stoic island]

New fabs are still slated to be completed 2024 ish though

[dense palm]

Well I guess since covid "ended" ppl are buying less pc stuff

[fossil cedar]

Hasn't been so far

[dense palm]

Hope it stays that way

[stoic island]

Though tsmc is renovating one of their fabs for n5, dunno eta

[formal girder]

Actually demand has increased but supply increased as well

[fossil cedar]

Yes but surely they had a few in the works before covid

[dense palm]

Well lets just hope things get better

For everyone

[stoic island]

Ye there's one of the tsmc fabs being renovated with new equipment but dunno eta

[dense palm]

so is it a "good time" to buy gpu or wait a bit more

[stoic island]

Tech almost always gets better with time but in the short term, looks fine for now.

Unless there's some conference I missed

[fossil cedar]

Ehh that depends, we can't really predict the future

Could stay the same, although it should get better

But depends, how willing are you to wait much longer

[dense palm]

As I said I prob won't play the most newest games on the highest graphics anyways

so just debating on 3050 - 3060 ti stuff

[fossil cedar]

If you can, 3060 ti is miles ahead of the others, 3060 is a good bit more than 3050 too

[dense palm]

evga has 3060 ti and 3070 p close to each other in terms of price

worth the jump to 3070?

[stoic island]

Depends on the size of the jump

[little osprey]

@unborn mesa

[unborn mesa]

Yea?

You done?

[stoic island]

At msrp, 400$ vs 500$, 3060ti stays pretty good value

[little osprey]

literally zip ties life support

[dense palm]

i see

[little osprey]

i think it's good enough right

[dense palm]

this one ok to get? https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P5-3665-KL

[unborn mesa]

@little osprey did it not have radiator screws bro?

[dense palm]

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P5-3667-KL

what is the diff between these two

[little osprey]

ram clearance and mobo

wouldn't fit

[unborn mesa]

Bruhhh i just noticed that

[little osprey]

yep

[unborn mesa]

Wheres it zip tied too

To*

[little osprey]

edge

lol

[unborn mesa]

@earnest olive i dont think i can flip my rad upside down

[unborn mesa]

Case screws with washers and

Nvm

[little osprey]

i put the screw in and zip tie form the scre

[unborn mesa]

Smart

Improvise

[little osprey]

yes sir

[unborn mesa]

Boot it up lets see it

[little osprey]

it's not done yet

still need all fans

[unborn mesa]

Whats left

[little osprey]

and gpu

[still roost]

Tropix#5797 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[unborn mesa]

Wouldve done fans before other stuff

Lmao

[little osprey]

and ton of cables in the back

[unborn mesa]

Imagine getting warned

[little osprey]

ikr

[unborn mesa]

Me somehow watching my mouth on here but not irl

[dense palm]

lol

irl: **********

[unborn mesa]

Shuuu

We dont talk about that here

Got banned from hoodville discord my first day there

[formal girder]

[unborn mesa]

Apparently they dont like comedy in that server

[dense palm]

So for psu, is it a good start to go from 80+ gold and look for good ones?

[stoic island]

nope

something something P-GM was gold and blew up

[stoic island]

This is useful
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

80+ Gold is only efficiency rating, says nothing else

[dense palm]

I see

[little osprey]

Yes it’s only for power efficiency it’s not an overall rating for the power supply

common misconception

[dense palm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tD8pBj

Will prob add evga 3060 ti to this build

any recommended psu?

[stoic island]

would recommend change ram and ssd

revo d.f. has been at a good price recently though

[dense palm]

the 850w one?

Well Im just using the ram for the rgb more than anything

¯_(ツ)_/¯

how much power would be recommended? 750+ at least?

[stoic island]

For a 3060ti, all you need is like 550+, but 750w psus tend to be better value

[unborn mesa]

Can get a 750w for under 100usd

[stoic island]

Ye
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-cx750f-rgb-cp-9020218-na-750w/p/N82E16817139261

Decent 750w unit

[unborn mesa]

I got an 850w for 110

Not bad tbh but 750w is more than enough for 3060

[stoic island]

Sounds about right

[dense palm]

looks nice

I think was one of the ones I was looking at

based on the tier list

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/grr4Mb

Well here is what I put together so far

Prob around 1.5k with tax shipping and all

[ornate condor]

Alright I want to get pcie nvme adapter but I wonder if it can effect my gpu temps

[formal girder]

Possibly if it's in direct path of GPU airflow

[unborn mesa]

Told you swap it around

[formal girder]

Well it would anyway since the Nvme m.2 drives produce heat as well

[desert gulch]

Take that back rn

Dont just call a cxf "decent"

Smh

[formal girder]

[desert gulch]

I'm literally a cxf shill

[little osprey]

ok i have a problem now

i don't have space to connect another usb 2.0 cable for my aio

cause i have cosair aio w lian li fans

and i can't connect both i guess

[unborn mesa]

What

[little osprey]

yes

what

[unborn mesa]

@stoic island think my tubes will be fine if i flip rad upside down here ?

Might need a splitter?

[little osprey]

@boreal compass

[dense palm]

is this the "optimal" way of airflow or are there better methods?

[mossy venture]

D.f 750 is cheaper

And antec earthwatts 750

[unborn mesa]

@mossy venture you think my aio tubes would be ok?

[stoic island]

:P

[dense palm]

Well now that I know which build to start

[stoic island]

where

[boreal compass]

Yo

[dense palm]

time to save money and buy

[little osprey]

ye

i'm kinda stuck haha

[boreal compass]

What’s up

[little osprey]

^

i connected my lian li fans box but seems like i don't have space for the cosair one

what should i do

[dense palm]

So is 1.5k for 12400/f and 3060 ti "good"?

[boreal compass]

Hold up one sec

[pastel wasp]

what other specs?

case? fans? cooler? NVME?

[little osprey]

ok

[dense palm]

@pastel wasp https://pcpartpicker.com/list/grr4Mb

[boreal compass]

Your motherboard doesn’t have another usb header

?

[pastel wasp]

if you can get all that, not bad

I know that 970 evo goes on sale for better

[boreal compass]

@little osprey if you don’t use the usb plug for your aio you won’t be able to use ique for it and for lian li if you don’t use it you won’t be able to use l connect

[little osprey]

b660 a rog strix

damn

wow

any solotion

[boreal compass]

It’s usually better to get the same brand

[dense palm]

would 500 gb be enough?

[pastel wasp]

no

[boreal compass]

give me a sec im looking

[pastel wasp]

well.. you gonna play games?

[dense palm]

yes probs

ok fine

games are like 50 gb+

[pastel wasp]

most games these days are huge

[dense palm]

50gb+ is where they start

and goes up like tons right

[pastel wasp]

1tb is like the min

[little osprey]

80gb for cod

🤣

[dense palm]

dont play cod

[little osprey]

updates are 50gb

[dense palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[little osprey]

well

[pastel wasp]

ya there on glue

[dense palm]

yeah iknow what you mean

game + update

smh

just eats space

[pastel wasp]

if you wanna save money

and your not rendering like 4k video or nothing

[dense palm]

would it be "worth" to get hdd for saving other stuff like pic and files?

[pastel wasp]

drop to 16 gigs of ram

get a 1tb Nvme, and 1tb 2.5

[dense palm]

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-BarraCuda-Internal-Drive-2-5-Inch/dp/B07H28QRKN

like this?

[pastel wasp]

SSD

not HDD

[dense palm]

so two ssd?

[pastel wasp]

are you budgeted?

[dense palm]

https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Green-Internal-Solid/dp/B09JQMGHDW/ref=sr_1_5?crid=30VY16IWKK63B&keywords=2.5"+1tb+ssd&qid=1652223390&s=electronics&sprefix=2.5+1tb+ssd%2Celectronics%2C110&sr=1-5

[pastel wasp]

if you are 500gig Nvme and 1tb SSD is plenty for gaming and everything

[boreal compass]

@little osprey yea my dude I’m not sure if you can do anything

[dense palm]

I expect to spend 1.5k ish before tax

so adding another ssd won't hurt

[little osprey]

ah man

[pastel wasp]

keep the Pc parts you picked and add SSD

[boreal compass]

Ask other people

[little osprey]

can a 6600XT fit in a b660a ?

cause it won't go in

[dense palm]

WD or samsung 2.5 ssd good enough?

[pastel wasp]

WD blue or Samsung 870

[dense palm]

thanks

[boreal compass]

Yes it should

[little osprey]

nvm it has a cap

i didn't see it

[little osprey]

well damn man

rip me

[boreal compass]

Try to ask other people

[pastel wasp]

whats the problem?

[mossy venture]

Was $80 on pcp yesterday

And if the sales done then earthwatts still A tier and cheaper

[boreal compass]

he has an aio that needs the usb header and lian li controller that also needs it

[little osprey]

also what power supply cable goes into the gpu

is it the pcle or cpu

[boreal compass]

pcie

[little osprey]

ok

[boreal compass]

Cpu for cpu

Pcie for gpu

[little osprey]

it has like 2 heads

what do i do with the 2nd

[ornate condor]

nothing lol

[little osprey]

bruh

[boreal compass]

Wdym by 2 heads?

Like it splits off

[little osprey]

yes

[pastel wasp]

buy USB hub

there like 12$

[ornate condor]

how many 8pin connection your gpu have

[dense palm]

Well thanks for all your tips and recommendation

[boreal compass]

oh yea I completely forgot about those lol

[little osprey]

idk

[dense palm]

Should be able to start buying parts in a couple months

[stoic island]

not today >:p but yea 20$ mib does make it really good on paper, 95$ is decent though

[dense palm]

man that white looks so nice

[little osprey]

usb hub?

[ornate condor]

only one 8pin so leave other end alone

[little osprey]

yeah i'm going to end up spray painting the plates of my gpu

[little osprey]

can i cut it off

this looks bad

[boreal compass]

Usb hub plugs into usb header and gives you more

[ornate condor]

no lmao

[boreal compass]

Nooooo

[dense palm]

lol

[pastel wasp]

LoL definiatly dont cut that

[ornate condor]

you can plug that end to gpu

[boreal compass]

buy cable extensions

If you want a clean look

but don’t cut it

[pastel wasp]

ya buy extensions or tywrap it down the cable

[ornate condor]

just zip those cables together or use long end

ez

[little osprey]

ok

[dense palm]

this should help cutting it

[pastel wasp]

LoL

[little osprey]

ok finished the build

time to turn it on

DUDE IT WORKED

WTF MY AIO IS ON

[boreal compass]

Wait bro just realized something

[little osprey]

yes

[boreal compass]

You’re gonna have to flip your fans

[little osprey]

why

[boreal compass]

You have all of the set to exhaust

send another pic

[pastel wasp]

what aio do you have?

[boreal compass]

yea flip your bottom ones

[pastel wasp]

ya there all the same way is not good

[boreal compass]

I’d flip side ones as well

right now you have all exhaust

0 fresh air going in

[pastel wasp]

needs a flow

[boreal compass]

Your aio is gonna work it just won’t be detected by ique

so you won’t be able to control rgb or pump speed

I think it’s gonna be set to 100%

[little osprey]

good

at least it works 😭

maybe i could set it to white then disconnect it

will it save?

[boreal compass]

Your best option would be to buy a usb hub

they’re not expensive

I’m not sure if it’ll save

@little osprey just make sure to flip your fans

[pastel wasp]

what AIO do you have?

150i?

[boreal compass]

Yea that’s what he has

[little osprey]

yuh

[pastel wasp]

kk

[little osprey]

these came with my mobo

[pastel wasp]

I wanna make sure its just for software

[little osprey]

are they important or nah

[pastel wasp]

and doesn't pwm limit the pump and fans

and it does

so get a splitter

if you don't connect the USB header, it will run at default

[boreal compass]

He’s best option is what you said just get a usb hub

[pastel wasp]

you'll get by without it, but don't heat it up to much

[little osprey]

so wait what

i need them

where do i plug em in

[pastel wasp]

get a splitter

[boreal compass]

You talking about these?

[pastel wasp]

those look like sata or daisy chain rgb

[boreal compass]

Yea they’re sata @little osprey i

are you using any other drives besides your nvme @little osprey

[little osprey]

what's a nvme

i'm only using my m.2

[potent portal]

Nvme is the protocol that most m.2 drives use

[pastel wasp]

^^^

[boreal compass]

yea so for now since you’re only using that just keep them in a place you’ll remember if you ever get some sata drives

[snow obsidian]

@fossil cedar so i tried cancelling that order but they just got here

The mobo, hdd, ram, aio and psu

Do i keep this and follow original plans

[little osprey]

ok ty

[boreal compass]

Is everything running now?

[little osprey]

yeah idk

it's on

[boreal compass]

Is it outputting to your monitor?

[boreal compass]

Ok nice

Just continue

it’s gotta do it’s thing

[little osprey]

now what

[boreal compass]

Don’t forget to enable x.m.p

[little osprey]

no clue

[boreal compass]

That allows your ram to run at it’s advertised speed

[little osprey]

ah on the right

ok done

anything else

[boreal compass]

Do you already have windows installed?

on a usb drive

[little osprey]

no

[boreal compass]

Go ahead and download it

[little osprey]

ok

[winter marsh]

Yawn....

[little osprey]

ok my internet won't work

i have the wire but it won't show any wifi

[boreal compass]

you might have to install the wifi drivers

[little osprey]

Appreciate it bro!

finally finished

[boreal compass]

wifi works?

[little osprey]

yes sir

[boreal compass]

nice

[little osprey]

now i'm guessing we download all drivers?

[boreal compass]

yea

[little osprey]

ok thanks

is this aio good? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/d2fmP6/evga-clc-280-1135-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-400-hy-cl28-v1

[boreal compass]

@little osprey if you need help with anything else just @ me ill try to reply as quick as i can

[little osprey]

alright thanks

[boreal compass]

also remember what i told you about the fans or else your temps are gonna suffer

[rich void]

Its fans are loud from what I understand, I'd go for an artic liquid freezer II, but that's likely a bit more

[little osprey]

Okay thanks

[little osprey]

yezzir

[boreal compass]

im using the lian li evo similar case to what you have just bigger

i have the rear and top fans as exhaust bottom and side as intake

[pastel wasp]

im 3 front intake, 1 top intake, 1 top exhaust and rear exhaust

[boreal compass]

what case you rocking @pastel wasp

[pastel wasp]

my cheap Mattex 55

[boreal compass]

lol no way i was using that before

[pastel wasp]

ya had it forever now, LoL just never wanted to waste money on a new casde

I put all Phanteks fans in

[boreal compass]

i should of just went with the mini instead of the evo

[pastel wasp]

I almost bought the iCue 220T

but I have 2 friends with that case

so I stuck with this for now

[potent portal]

Swap the fans with P14s and it's almost as good as Arctic for cheaper

[little osprey]

so the rad itself is fine but the fans suck

[potent portal]

Exactly

They're very loud and not very good

The pump is loud too, compared to Arctic, but works just fine

[little osprey]

@unborn mesa

we got it lol

[unborn mesa]

You just finished? @little osprey

[little osprey]

yes

[little osprey]

finally man

I'm just downloading my stuff on pc now

[unborn mesa]

Bruh i took a nap woke up and u wasnt done

Clean tho

[little osprey]

🤣 yea

just gotta find out how to permantly make the aio color to white

maybe if i plug the cable in and hopefully their is a save feat.

[unborn mesa]

The led?

What software you using

[obsidian wigeon]

you can use openrgb

[unborn mesa]

@little osprey imma redo my pc here in a bit

[obsidian wigeon]

i don't recommend icue at all

it's a broken mess

[unborn mesa]

Nah icue is wack

[little osprey]

ah

ok

[unborn mesa]

I have work in 3 hrs but oh well

Gonna rebuild instead of sleeping

[desert gulch]

icue should just be renamed as a benchmarking tool for the cpu

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

[little osprey]

haha have fun man

[unborn mesa]

Why

[unborn mesa]

Eh itll take my at most 10 minutes

[desert gulch]

because it takes a crap ton of resources

[obsidian wigeon]

cause it eats cpu like nothing

[unborn mesa]

Lmao

[little osprey]

10 hours for me

[unborn mesa]

Gotta have the icue and google chrome combo to make ram and cpu resources scarce

[unborn mesa]

Youll get faster dw

Plus im only flipping radiator and flipping a couple fans

Gonna use my 1200 dollar screw driver set 👌

[boreal compass]

The gpu is going to begging for air

[unborn mesa]

Nah

Case is solid

[boreal compass]

All exhaust fans

[unborn mesa]

Brooo

Noooo

Redo that

[little osprey]

i'll flip them later

they look good now

[unborn mesa]

Electric chair!

[little osprey]

shoo

[unborn mesa]

Bruh ur temps gonna hit 90c like nun

[little osprey]

oo

[unborn mesa]

Bad

Take away pc from you

[little osprey]

no not yet

how do i get my gpu colors

i cant find them

Mans is more concerned about gpu rgb than flipping the orientation of the case fans

i'll flip them after

lol

[boreal compass]

won’t be able to see the colors on that gpu for much longer

[little osprey]

Broo chill ok ok

[unborn mesa]

@little osprey fr tho

[unborn mesa]

Bruhhhh too far

Dont scare the guy

Good catch tho i aint notice it

[little osprey]

does anyone know how tho

[unborn mesa]

To what @little osprey

[little osprey]

6600xt light

i can't figure how to change it

[unborn mesa]

What card is it

[little osprey]

I think is a 6600xt

[unborn mesa]

Brand i mean

Each have their own software

Red devil you have to down load red devil software to change color

[little osprey]

msi

[unborn mesa]

Does it have a argb cable going to ur mobo?

[little osprey]

no clue

it has 1 cable and thats it

pcie or whatver to power supply

[unborn mesa]

If you wanna sync it youll need an argb splitter

I need one too

It aint come with it

[little osprey]

where do i plug it in tho??

[unborn mesa]

Should have an argb header on the gou

Gpu

Send link if where you bought it

[little osprey]

i bought on newegg

[unborn mesa]

Send me link so i can see which model

[little osprey]

Check this out on @Newegg: MSI Gaming Radeon RX 6600 XT 8GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 ATX Video Card RX 6600 XT GAMING X 8G https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-6600-xt-rx-6600-xt-gaming-x-8g/p/N82E16814137681?Item=N82E16814137681&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-14-137-681-_-05112022

[boreal compass]

I’d try openRGB if that doesn’t work you’re gonna have to use the Msi software to do I’d delete it after tho

[unborn mesa]

Cant find which software it uses but should be some msi

[unborn mesa]

It messed with open rgb if its open in the background @little osprey

[unborn mesa]

I got the software from like 4 different cards

[potent portal]

GPUs don't normally have this...

[unborn mesa]

My red devil did

[potent portal]

Well that's not normal lol

[unborn mesa]

And toxic card needs the cable

Doesnt come with it

🤷‍♂️

So far all my gpus have had it

[boreal compass]

@unborn mesa wdym from 4 different cards?

[unborn mesa]

It was just a basic splitter

[potent portal]

I second openrgb, I know MSI GPUs are supported

[unborn mesa]

Ive had 4 different gous in my system never deleted the software just made It so they dont open

@potent portal need ur opinion if ur not busy

[boreal compass]

I just don’t like how some of them install a bunch of old drivers and stuff

[unborn mesa]

Would my aio tubes be fine if i flip rad upside down

[unborn mesa]

Yea somehow my drivers got downgraded and i had to delete some softwares

[potent portal]

Yeah, as long as the top of the radiator is higher than the pump on the block

[unborn mesa]

Pump is on gpu supposedly

Couldnt find a clear answer

[potent portal]

Oh it's a GPU AIO, still fine

If the pump is on the GPU then it's still lower than the radiator

[unborn mesa]

Yea my bad should’ve clarified

At this moment its lower than radiator

[unborn mesa]

Radiator is 360mm so uses entire side of case btw

[boreal compass]

Don’t get me started with armory crate so much bloat

😂

[unborn mesa]

Had to get it for my mobo 😞

[potent portal]

Just part of the rad needs to be above the GPU, not the whole thing

[unborn mesa]

Ahh okay

Makes sense

[boreal compass]

Did it force you to download it?

[unborn mesa]

Nah but in order to test all my stuff i had to

[boreal compass]

ohhh ok makes sense

[unborn mesa]

Open rgb wasnt reading them until i updated all my drivers and stuff

But now it does so delete

Had to register mobo and everything

[potent portal]

Asus got into some hot water by force installing a reminder app to install armoury cratethrough the bios, on systems that aren't even network connected

[unborn mesa]

Oof

[potent portal]

Yeah. Having your bios install programs sounds a lot like a virus doesn't it?

[unborn mesa]

Yea

Fortunately for me i had to register it in order to download so

[little osprey]

open rgb didn't work

i put white to change all

changed everything but gpu

[unborn mesa]

Needs that argb splitter 🤷‍♂️

[potent portal]

Did you run openrgb as admin?

Need to do that on first run

You also need motherboard and chipset drivers installed

[boreal compass]

Do you happen to know that software similar to openRGB but for fan control I wanted to try it out but I forgot the name of it

[desert gulch]

Bios?

[potent portal]

Argus monitor?

[unborn mesa]

Lmao

Isnt msi afterburner fan curve only for the gpu fans or am i wrong

[boreal compass]

Lol na

I found it

It’s on GitHub

[jagged ember]

was it the one jayz2cents made a vid on

calling it the must have free software

[boreal compass]

Umm I’m not sure I do t watch his videos I seen someone recommended it

I wanted to check it out

It might be tho

[jagged ember]

probably

I honestly don't even know what its called lol

[obsidian wigeon]

it's SignalRGB

[unborn mesa]

Wack themes on it tho

[obsidian wigeon]

also there's open fan control on github for controlling the fans

[potent portal]

They're talking about fan control, not rgb

[obsidian wigeon]

i was adding to wideus

[potent portal]

I think Linus did a video on signalrgb too but we were still talking about fans

This vid https://youtu.be/uDPKVKBMQU8

[obsidian wigeon]

hm ok

[frank stirrup]

ew cringe get it away

openrgb bess

[obsidian wigeon]

ik lol

[unborn mesa]

Well guys time to start on my pc an hr before work

[boreal compass]

sry I stole your pic @frank delta but anyone else think the chipset heatsink looks like the top of a ps4

Looks so nice

[potent portal]

A mini one, kinda. I see it.

[unborn mesa]

Bruh my pc couldnt boot for a second

Bruhh 70c on idke

Idle

@fossil cedar

[obsidian wigeon]

did you forget to peel the sticker on cooler off?

[unborn mesa]

Nope

Not new cooler just new fan config

[obsidian wigeon]

oh

[fossil cedar]

Then bad mount

[unborn mesa]

On cou?

Cpu*

Its dropping down rn

Down to 59

57

@fossil cedar nvm cpu was just hot because of room

Down to 53

lowest it hit was 47

[fossil cedar]

I'd return and do it right personally up to you i guess

Huhhh no way your room just dropped 20c

[unborn mesa]

nah nah

the cpu was 70c when i powered on

but i let it run for a minute and it dropped a good bit

down to 47c then its at 50-60 c atm

[fossil cedar]

Hmm

That still sounds like a bad mount/bad thermal paste application imo

[unborn mesa]

turned fans up to 100% rn see if it gets lower

bad mount most likely

thermal paste was already applied on it

just slapped it on

regardless im not gonna waste thermal paste when im gonna remove the cpu anyways

[fossil cedar]

Yeah bad mount then

[unborn mesa]

yea ill try to mount it better when i reuse it

[fossil cedar]

You don't have to redo the thermal paste since you just put it on, should be fine, better than what it is now anyway

[unborn mesa]

yea im gonna change cpu to a 5900x and an ak620 cooler on friday so

that 5700g gonna be reused for a seperate build

[snow obsidian]

@fossil cedar if i decide not to return it still works right ?

[fossil cedar]

What did you get?

[frank delta]

All good lmao and now that you say it like I kinda see it

[wind osprey]

So I've been trying to put my cpu cooler on for a while

In the video I seen the spring loaded screws pop into place straight away but on mine they're much higher

[unborn mesa]

Amd cpu?

[wind osprey]

No Intel

[jagged ember]

what is that image

I'm not sure what you're trying to show us lol

[wind osprey]

The springs don't have any leverage basically

[jagged ember]

you just push them down while screwing them on

[snow obsidian]

@fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

Motherboard is good, hdd is a hdd, only sad thing is the ram

I'd consider sending that back personally

[wind osprey]

I can't push them down at all the springs are solid

[jagged ember]

youre probably not pushing hard enough, but check your cooler manual

[frank delta]

What’s bad about Corsair ram I mean remember hearing about mixing dyes but I’ve never had an issue with them

[stoic island]

Price, random dies

[little osprey]

you’ll live

[fossil cedar]

Bad price, mixing dies, just bargain bin ram sold for premium ram price

[wind osprey]

Figured out the problem I need a LGA 1200 mount kit for my cpu cooler

Contacted the manufacturer

[desert gulch]

what half modern cpu cooler doesnt come with a lga1200 bracket?

[native dew]

Yo, little advice needed

[desert gulch]

go for it

[mossy venture]

12400 back down to 160

nice

[native dew]

I’m buying a GPU next week and by then I’ll have all the stuff needed to start building. But I’m mainly just stumped on what kind of GPU I should get.
For context I have an i7 12700K and 850W Gold PSU

[mossy venture]

what other parts do you have

and what other parts do you need

[desert gulch]

what will you do with the pc, and whats your budget for the gpu?

[native dew]

2x16 RAM and 4TB HDD, buying a Kraken z73 for Cooler and 1TB SSD today.

[native dew]

Mainly video editing, streaming, and games

[mossy venture]

id go liquid freezer ii

and do you have a case?

for the ssd id recommend p31, 970 evo, mp33

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HZvdnQ/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-280-a-rgb-689-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00106a or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bVMTwP/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-420-728-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00092a works for aio

[stoic island]

P31 recently cheaper than Evo :p

[mossy venture]

nice

hows the p5 compare to the p31?

[native dew]

I really just want the Kraken for the gif thing

[stoic island]

HDD wise, still going to slide in a reccomendation for x300

[native dew]

[stoic island]

Worse

[mossy venture]

:P

[stoic island]

Just get a bigger screen and slap it in

[native dew]

Yeah, Musetex

[mossy venture]

link?

id recc p400a tho https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdXYcf/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dbk

[native dew]

MUSETEX ATX PC Case Mid-Tower with 6pcs 120mm ARGB Fans, Computer Gaming Case with Tempered Glass Side & Front Panels, Metal Honeycomb Mesh, USB3.0, S6-B https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MDFYW3N/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_KDPZEXAV848013WSKHNB?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[mossy venture]

dat has a glass front

over the fans

i would not buy that

[rich void]

If you're recommending something for a build with an AIO or other water-cooling imo don't go p400a, can't fit anything in the top, so rads on anything above 120mm go in the front
Not quite ideal

There are plenty of similar cases that support a rad up top

[little osprey]

p500a

[rich void]

Lancool Ii mesh as well

[unborn mesa]

@earnest olive new fan setup worked decently for a bit it dropped it from 70c to 45c but then spiked up to 60c again

[earnest olive]

ryzen temps are spiky in general

if it's lower than before, good

[orchid cipher]

Any good case that can show off a psu that’s not to pricy

[earnest olive]

td500 mesh perhaps?

[unborn mesa]

About the same

[earnest olive]

did you do any stress testing with ambient control?

[unborn mesa]

Pato said could be a bad mount

[earnest olive]

I wouldn't expect the differences to be major either way

[unborn mesa]

Not really just let it idle for a bit

[earnest olive]

but a gain of 2-3C is a gain nonetheless and a welcome one

yeah, idle temps are completely meaningless

test load

[desert gulch]

Cinebench is a good place to start

[unborn mesa]

Yea friday im getting cpu and ill be able to mount a new cooler onto it

[earnest olive]

I can see idle spikes up to 60c with a 360mm aio

I mean, it's perfectly safe to run cinebench on stock cooler

[desert gulch]

Should've gotten a hyper 212, not my fault you're uneducated

[earnest olive]

if it hits 90c it'll just slow itself down to prevent overheating

[earnest olive]

you know I managed to sell my old 212 for full retail price?

[desert gulch]

Like $30?

[unborn mesa]

What i did notice is the clock speed is maxed out

I wouldve load tested but i decided to do all the fan change at 2 am an hr before work so

[earnest olive]

it was like 40 I think

rgb version

I just put it in a build lol

I sold my old PC for more than I spent building it

[desert gulch]

Sheeesh that's crazyy

[earnest olive]

I got $1650 for a 5600x + b550 + 360mm + 16gb 3733c14 oc + 1tb ssd + 6tb HDD + td500 mesh + 750w gold + 7 argb fans + cheap white extensions

no gpu

I had it listed for 2400 with a non-LHR 3070 inside expecting to accept an offer of around 2100

(back when the 3070 itself was worth 1150)

some guy that apparently had too many GPUs offered me $900 + sealed 3060ti for the PC if I removed the 3070

was all too happy to accept that offer ASAP lmao

heck, I would have done it for $400 + 3060ti

anyways, back to work for me

bye

[little osprey]

Nerd

new build chat bingo when

[mossy venture]

you'r

[little osprey]

Yo’rue

[rich void]

Bacca, did you see my note on the p400a?

[mossy venture]

yeah

was getting a hair cut so didnt reply

[rich void]

No worries, hope it came out well for ya

[little osprey]

now he looks like a potato

[mossy venture]

honestly

not far off

more like a thumb

[boreal compass]

Thumb>potato

[unborn mesa]

Bruhh is said it got canceled

I got my fan

[opaque nexus]

whats up guys ??

i was just wondering does anyone know the best way to upgrade from sata drives to m.2 ssd drives

for os systems

[sand falcon]

Put the new drive in the system and use macrium reflect to clone the data from the old drive to the new drive

[opaque nexus]

is macrium reflect a cloning program

[desert gulch]

yea

[opaque nexus]

ok cool ill check it out thanks for your

so would that work if i'm also upgrading my complete system

or would it be better if i do a clean install on the m.2 drive

[potent portal]

It's usually recommended to reinstall windows if you're changing motherboards

[opaque nexus]

ya im doing a complete upgrade

it's been 9 years "if it aint broke dont fix it" lol

[little osprey]

my gskill ram won't change color

[potent portal]

The good news is you won't need to buy windows again. If you have a valid windows 10 key and you're signed into your MS account you can transfer the key. If you're still on 7 or 8 just use your current key to activate 10 or 11.

[opaque nexus]

ya i have 10 that's when all my friggin problems started lol

[mossy venture]

@potent portal what are your opinions on this case? i think its reasonably priced https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q9vZxr/phanteks-eclipse-p400s-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec416pstg_bw

[potent portal]

Is that a solid front panel?

[desert gulch]

Looks like a fairly good value

Id toss in a couple t30's too

[mossy venture]

look at the price though, its super cheap so imo the front panel being solid is fine

[desert gulch]

May as well, t30's are basically free

[mossy venture]

imo id buy some lian li galahads and pull the fans out

[opaque nexus]

you guys are FUNNY lmao

[desert gulch]

I'm not the funny monkey

[potent portal]

Ah yes I see. I'll buy that right now, and pay extra to get a 3D printed front panel.

[opaque nexus]

cost more than my whole upgrade lmao

[stoic island]

Lol

[rich void]

Just take the panel off

Then double up T30s on the front somehow

https://tenor.com/view/just-blowing-in-the-wind-travel-blow-wind-gif-14222212

[potent portal]

See, that's what the 3D printed panel is for. To stick 200mm fans on the front.

[rich void]

I was thinking 6 T30s in push/pull with extra extra long screws, but I guess that works

[potent portal]

Or you could just go 20k rpm delta fans

If the case fits triple 120 and dual 140, you could get 10x70mm deltas on there

Of course then you'd need to get clamps to hold your PC in place and a power supply that can do 70A on 12V

[desert gulch]

Me and mr1 are developing one that should be able to do this

[stoic island]

100%

it'll do 240a at 12v and 12a at 240v

[dense palm]

after swapping build to 6600 its about 200~300 less on the final price tag

[potent portal]

Good luck getting that to fit in ATX form factor, you'd need a 2kW power supply to have room for CPU/GPU

[stoic island]

ez

[potent portal]

I guess if it's 12VO it would be easier

[stoic island]

our straight-from-wall (Patent pending) technique saves on space and outputs all the power you need

:p

[dense palm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GMKYNc This new build with 6600 should be good enough for most stuff atm right?

[potent portal]

Straight AC to DC conversion? No filters or anything? Perfect. When can I get one?

[potent portal]

At 1080p totally

[stoic island]

it's in development

[dense palm]

1080p is good enough for me

My monitors are 1080p anyways lol

I loved that comment why someone was saying I can't see 4k on my monitor

when they were using a 1080p monitor

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent portal]

Lol, not even the craziest thing I've heard but still

[mossy venture]

i would not buy either of those ssds

or that psu, for the matter

[dense palm]

can I ask why? and what else you would recommend?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dWCjH2

that psu is A tier, cxf 750 at $95 is highway robbery

the ssds are overpriced

ram, id recommend getting 3200c16 over 3600c18

mobo overkill for a 12400, but theres worse. If you like the look of it its fine

[dense palm]

Well I was looking for boards with wifi

[mossy venture]

aio id recc evga clc or arctic liquid freezer ii

[mossy venture]

i think theres an asus prime one with wifi

ah same price as the one you chose

[dense palm]

think its same price

[mossy venture]

its fine then

[dense palm]

lol

well maybe I will go with asus then

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NXN34s

eh, i think that mobo might be higher quality

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vdc28r oh wait there we go

though the aio is super un needed

can do heatsink easily, but i assume you like the look of one

[dense palm]

was looking at arctics too

seems nice

but i was just shoving the first thing on it

So should be fine if I swap it to asus prime right?

[mossy venture]

either one you want, though the one you chose might have slightly better vrms

[dense palm]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PMdshk

Well seems like the asus prime one doesn't need bios update

kinda interesting

[stoic island]

MSI doesn't either

PCPP has just been dumb

[dense palm]

lol

[stoic island]

Because MSI released a new update to support 12900ks, pcpp took that as needing new update to support every single alder lake chip for some reason

[dense palm]

so in essence

they are p much same right?

[stoic island]

MSI board is better

[dense palm]

noted

[stoic island]

from hwub

[dense palm]

Still I am saving about 300~400 than using 3060 ti

[stoic island]

just a btw the strix b660-a is a different board from the prime b660-a, which is closer to a b660-plus

[dense palm]

that is some crazy performance diff

[stoic island]

The prime b660-a gets compared with cheaper tier of boards

[dense palm]

from msi and asus

well if its same price

no reason to go for asus

[stoic island]

mmm

MSI been doing good work with value in low end boards

[dense palm]

original plan was 1.5+

and I mean yeah I am giving up 3060ti and raytracing but

I dont even play games with raytracing

[wary tundra]

i put my friends ram at 3600mhz and it was fine but then he changed it to 4400mhz a week after I left and now his computer is black screening

he changed it back but its stilll doing it

anyone know what happened

[mossy venture]

prolly f'ed up windows

[wary tundra]

omegalol

[potent portal]

There's a repair script in the pins of #windows-ios you can try

[little osprey]

thoughts on hyte (ibp) revolt 3 vs meshilicious

[potent portal]

Isn't the revolt 3 the one with the handle/headset holder?

That would be good for portability but who really needs that

[little osprey]

yeah idk if ill really use that tho

i already have a headphone holder thing

[winter marsh]

Just curious, what was the first/oldest pc anyone here has ever assembled?

[potent portal]

Mine was a Windows 98. I rebuilt and upgraded it when I was 10. Went from 333 MHz CPU and 64MB RAM to 900 MHz and 192MB.

Yeah don't mind this old man, I might ramble your ear off about how things used to be

A few? I'm an open bench with no screws, just pins to put through holes

[rich void]

A friend helped me build a Windows XP Athlon 64 system

Early 00s

I don't remember what GPU it was exactly, but it was 6800 gt era I think

[winter marsh]

I think mine was a Asus mobo with a Amd XP 3200mhz cpu with a Nvidia 5500 Agp x8 card

[potent portal]

That's giving me too much credit, maybe a holey pair of socks

[snow obsidian]

@fossil cedar im getting more ram later haha

Im not finished getting everything

[winter marsh]

I upgraded to a Asus SLI deluxe 939 socket I was never able to buy a FX-60 for with two GT 6800 pcie cards in it

I still have it just need to replace the mobo and stay on Win/Vista

[snow obsidian]

But

What ram should i get then

[little osprey]

hello all

[azure briar]

helo

[little osprey]

anyone here familiar with athena 4u server cases

[azure briar]

wait a sec

nvm no trading in this server damn

[potent portal]

What about them? Several of us work with servers

[little osprey]

may i link the 1 i want and make sure its a solid case that will last?

[potent portal]

Sure. Your name is green so you can link in chat.

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/black-athena-power-rm-4ug4243he12/p/N82E16811192438?Item=N82E16811192438

that case

and this hba cardhttps://www.newegg.com/microsemi-1100-24i-sata-sas/p/17Z-000T-00013?Item=17Z-000T-00013

[frank stirrup]

get an hba card on ebay or something much better deals

[little osprey]

need it compatible with server 2022

[potent portal]

Chassis looks pretty standard for 4U servers, shouldn't give you any trouble

For $100 you can get a 2 port SAS controller and an expander for 16 drives on ebay

[little osprey]

i need 24 drive support

[potent portal]

Would you be ok with getting 2 of the same SAS card? It's a lot cheaper than those super high capacity ones

[little osprey]

rather not

keep in mind this is a 5+ year life machine im building

u guys ever use voice chat

[potent portal]

Sometimes, I don't

[potent portal]

The HBA controller you picked out only supports 16 drives

[little osprey]

its 24

[potent portal]

I had to look up the documentation

[little osprey]

i checked it

[obsidian wigeon]

are you sure?

[potent portal]

No wait they have different models all in the same document

Yeah that one is 24 my bad, it has the extra 2 ports

And if you get expanders you can do up to 256

It's just 24 direct attached

[little osprey]

24 is perfect

ill be getting a 20 TB hdd to add to my pool soon after i build systemhttps://www.newegg.com/wd-ultrastar-dc-hc560-0f38755-20tb/p/N82E16822234513?Item=N82E16822234513

[obsidian wigeon]

hm, yeah

it indeed has 24

[potent portal]

Oh I see where I got confused, the newegg listing has pics of 2 different models lol

[little osprey]

its all good

[little osprey]

@potent portal u like eso

[potent portal]

Yeah

[little osprey]

r u in a eso discord or guild yet

im starting 1

[potent portal]

Yeah I'm in 5 guilds already

[little osprey]

o ok

[strong raft]

Ah, pretty much the 1st gpu that didn't even need pcie (except the ability for SLI). I got to have a 6800 GT in AGP though, and also ended up w/ a 7800 GS for a while before I went to an 8800 "GTS" 512. (RIP AGP). --1st or 2nd PC had an FX 5200 & a P4 1.7Ghz w/ probably 2x512MB or 2x1GB of o.g. Kingston HyperX, then P4 2.4, P4 3.06, and for gpu FX 5600 then 5950 Ultra.

[tropic laurel]

Quick question. PCpartpicker keeps saying: A USB 2.0 to USB 3.2 Gen 1 header adapter is required, where can I get this adaptor or is there one that is a suitable replacement?

[potent portal]

Can you put up the pcpartpicker link so I can see what exactly it's talking about?

[tropic laurel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/MilWhatever123/saved/sMH8Q7#compatibility_notes

This is a friends list, I have the same message on mine as well, Just never noticed it until I had it pointed out to me

[potent portal]

Ok so the case (7000D) has 5 USB ports on the front, including the USB-C. Each 3.0 header can support 2 ports. The motherboard you selected has one 3.0 header, so to use the other 2 USB ports you would need an adapter and those ports would be limited to USB 2.0 speed.

[tropic laurel]

Aah kk , any idea where I would be able to get more of these cords?

[strong raft]

I came across this: usb 3.2 "gen 1" is basically usb 3.0
https://www.amazon.com/Duttek-2-pack-Motherboard-Adapter-Converter/dp/B072ZV1566

[tropic laurel]

You are a life saver man , thanks

[potent portal]

If you haven't bought it yet, you probably don't need the carbon board unless you're doing serious overclocking. I'd suggest this one, it has the two 3.0 headers.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K9Fbt6/msi-pro-z690-a-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-wifi

[tropic laurel]

Huh that was my original planned board 😂

[strong raft]

Bland*, but a pretty good mobo.

[dense palm]

if I order 12400 from amazon it will come in 2 weeks

rip

everything else will come in a day or two but not the cpu

lmao

[strong raft]

Yea it's very popular at $160 right now

[dense palm]

how long does newegg take?

[potent portal]

To get it shipped? Usually less than 2 days in my experience, then shipping time from the warehouse varies

Often the same or next day when I order things it's marked shipped

[dense palm]

might have to go that route for cpu and mobo then

amazon the mortar is 179 while newegg is 159

[potent portal]

Is that $20 worth maybe 2 less days of shipping time to you?

[dense palm]

well cant even use my comp for 2 weeks though lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/V9vgBj

Finalized build

prob will add more fans

[potent portal]

I love when people actually listen to and consider suggestions. It doesn't happen enough.

[forest lava]

It only took me 3 days to get my 3050

Though that can vary if you're not buying directly from newegg

If you're buying from a seller on newegg, sometimes it'll take ages or not come at all

Like my CPU, I had to get it from Best Buy because the seller for my CPU just disappeared five days after I bought it on newegg

[obsidian wigeon]

third party sellers if official, they're fine

but if you're buying from some random guy, hell nah

[potent portal]

Yeah, like Arctic sells a lot of their products directly instead of going through the newegg warehouses

[dense palm]

oh rip

yeah all the cpus are sold by private sellers

I guess depending on stuff might take as long

[potent portal]

Third party sellers get rated, so if they have 1000+ ratings and at least 90% average you're probably good

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[dense palm]

mortar is sold directly by newegg

while the 12400 is sold by someone with... 4 rating...

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic laurel]

your CPU is not compatible with that board and if your running an i5 I would just suggest going straight for a i5-12600KF

[mossy venture]

that cpu and mobo def are compatible lol

b660s are for 12th gen

and will be for 13th gen as well soon

[tropic laurel]

pc part picker when I see his link is screaming that the board and CPU arent compatable?

[mossy venture]

pcp is stupid like that sometimes

[tropic laurel]

aah never mind, Just waking up and all I see the website screaming like that lol

[mossy venture]

oh wait @dense palm i wouldnt pay that much for that aio

the 280 is a good bit better, and while not really needed for the 12400 itll leave you headroom to keep the cooler when you upgrade cpus, and its only $8 more

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HZvdnQ/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-280-a-rgb-689-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00106a

and fits in the p360a with a top mount

or front mount, but why move the fans

280 is closer to a 360 than a 240

[tropic laurel]

christ all I need to do is buy my case... god payday why are you so slow

[fossil cedar]

Id do this instead
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qpBN6r

[unborn mesa]

@mossy venture did i tell you my ak620 delivery got canceled

[fossil cedar]

But you said tou where installing it yesterday no?

[mossy venture]

rip

[unborn mesa]

Still got it somehow

[mossy venture]

i believe they like the look of the aio

[mossy venture]

nice

free heatsink

[unborn mesa]

I hope so

[mossy venture]

also pato why 3600c18?

[unborn mesa]

Imagine just randomly get areested

[mossy venture]

esp when its $25 more than sp 3200c16

[unborn mesa]

And i get new cpu tmrw 🙂

[fossil cedar]

Cuz they want rgb ram that's what they og had in their list

[fossil cedar]

;-;

[mossy venture]

ahh

[mossy venture]

yeye i know

but getting the 280 over the 240 leaves room for a better cpu later on

i imagine theyd have an adapter for next gen intel that changes socket

[tropic laurel]

looks like a good build but wouldnt it be a better idea to spend some money for a decent CPU cooler atleast? Can never be too sure

[mossy venture]

12400 can survive with stock cooler

and not throttle

[tropic laurel]

aah

[fossil cedar]

The cooler i put in is plenty for the 12400

Sure it's only 20$ but that's all a 6 core ~70w cpu needs

[unborn mesa]

So how do i change a cpu?

[exotic pagoda]

Good morning everyone! I'm new to this discord and was wondering if someone can point me in the right direction. I'm trying to get some tech support for an issue that is going on with my built pc

[unborn mesa]

There no specific chat but here you should get some help

[mossy venture]

take off the cooler, undo the little silver latch, take out the cpu, use rubbing alcohol to take off the thermal paste from the heatsink and cpu (i use a piece of paper towel or smthn like that), put the new cpu in after making sure the heatsink is dry, put thermal paste on, redo the latch, put the heatsink on

[frank stirrup]

!ask

[still roost]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[unborn mesa]

Itll be a new cpu and heatsink so imma skip the making sure its dry part

[mossy venture]

ah right

but make sure you take off the old paste before you put them into your sisters pc

[unborn mesa]

Yea

[exotic pagoda]

I appreciate it! So I started having this issue a few months ago where I will be simply browsing the web on Chrome and all of a sudden the RGB on my RAM would freeze and then the RGB on my case fans went to white. The computer would kinda freeze, but I'm still able to move my mouse

[mossy venture]

what ram and cpu do you have

[unborn mesa]

I got this paste i got a bit ago is it decent or nah ARCTIC MX-4 (incl. Spatula, 4 g)... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0795DP124?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[mossy venture]

its good

[unborn mesa]

Or should i just use the one that came with the ak620

[exotic pagoda]

Corsair vengeance RGB Pro DDR4 3600 and AMD Ryzen 5 5600X

[fossil cedar]

Whichever are fine

[unborn mesa]

Pato whats ur goto pattern for thermal paste

[fossil cedar]

Try using openRGB instead, icue is known to be buggy

[mossy venture]

^

[frank stirrup]

X

[fossil cedar]

X pattern is a good shout

[unborn mesa]

Ill try it

Thanks

[exotic pagoda]

Hmm, okay I'll try that out and see. Thanks!

[fossil cedar]

Np

[frank stirrup]

dont start the x at the very end of the cpu

[exotic pagoda]

Would you recommend I just completely uninstall all of these RGB softwares and just install OpenRGB?

[stoic island]

(best case scenario is uninstall all rgb software but openrgb is next best option)

[exotic pagoda]

Sounds good

[frank delta]

Excited to finally be able to boot up my build today!

[stoic island]

First boot is always interesting

[frank delta]

Indeed I’ve missed having a pc and this will be my 4th build

[unborn mesa]

Figured ill come back when i do it tho

[exotic pagoda]

Does anyone know how to add the Corsair iCue Commander on OpenRGB?

[frank stirrup]

launch openrgb as admin

[exotic pagoda]

I did, but it's not coming up

[frank stirrup]

commander pro?

[exotic pagoda]

Commander Core xt

[dense palm]

Payday tomorrow

Will order stuff

As long as they are still in stock

[fossil cedar]

Might want to adjust list if it's few days old btw

[dense palm]

Well I made it about 2 days ago

but yeah

For my build with 12400 and 6600xt, is 650W enough or 750W needed?

[mossy venture]

youd be fine with 450 lol

650 is more than enough

i ran a 6800xt on a 650

[dense palm]

how is the xfx swift brand

compared to msi for gpu

[fossil cedar]

[fossil cedar]

Swift is good haven't seen it at a good price tho, if you want to send it here i can look over it for ya