building-and-recc-chat

[snow obsidian]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xxYBLs

[fossil cedar]

Budget?

[mossy plaza]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fGvRsY/thermaltake-case-ca1b800s1wn00 is this case good?

[snow obsidian]

Mmm rn, 2.2k

Maybe a bit more

[fossil cedar]

I'd change case and possibly psu/mobo

[mossy plaza]

why?

[fossil cedar]

For itx go cooler master nr200 or ssupd meshilicious imo

[snow obsidian]

Depends on how much dad is willing to chip in, he's gonna help a bit but lets put max at 2.4k

or 2.5

[fossil cedar]

Asrock intel boards are just crap generally

[mossy plaza]

alrighty

[fossil cedar]

Ahh grand, any asthetic preferences?

[snow obsidian]

Black and white

minimum rgb

not too flashy but has rgb i guess

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/csJXk9

[obsidian wigeon]

nr200p max tho

it comes with a decent psu

[fossil cedar]

Want wifi?

[snow obsidian]

yems pls

[south cliff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PCyBLs

[snow obsidian]

Imma look at all these recommends

ty all

[mossy plaza]

what mobo do you think I should go for then?

[south cliff]

tbh that should be fine

[potent portal]

Reasons for choices:
Intel is better and cheaper right now, and isn't a dead platform
MP33 is far better than P2 for the same price
A-GF is an A tier PSU for cheaper than the low B tier you had before, and you don't need more than 750W even when overclocking

Oh and the memory is lower latency

[south cliff]

intel ahead rn but i think amd will pull somthing out and maybe take the lead back

[snow obsidian]

How does one update bios

I dunno what that means

[south cliff]

search up your mobo

[potent portal]

Instructions are in the manual

[obsidian wigeon]

amd is only worth as an upgrade for people already with am4

[south cliff]

or look at a video

its very simple

[obsidian wigeon]

5800x3d is best gaming chip rn, but it's not that worth it imo

[south cliff]

just make sure you have a usb drive

[snow obsidian]

yesyes

all advice with be taken

[frank stirrup]

Dont need a usb drive for many boards

Bios reads ntfs volumes fine these days

[south cliff]

i didnt know that

[potent portal]

USB still easier

[south cliff]

yeah and good practice

ig

[frank stirrup]

I just slap the bios file in the root dir of one of my drives and send it from there.

[potent portal]

FAT32 is basically open source but NTFS isn't also, so that's why literally everything supports FAT but not everything does NTFS

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6yXBLs

[potent portal]

Yeah it's probably smart to do non-k and get a better GPU

[desert gulch]

leadex iii 850 kinda loud tho ngl

[fossil cedar]

Hmm asrock seems to be your only decent option, the other itx boards are 250$

[potent portal]

Pretty much every PSU has some small complaint

[desert gulch]

true

[potent portal]

Except RMx as far as I'm aware

[desert gulch]

formula 750 is like $90

[fossil cedar]

Won't hear it over the cpu/gpu anyway

[mossy plaza]

so the one I had before is alright?

[desert gulch]

price 💀

[fossil cedar]

The price

[south cliff]

yeah its fine

[mossy plaza]

alrighty ty

[south cliff]

yw

[fossil cedar]

Yeah asrock b660 itx looks like only way to go

Dass good

[potent portal]

you get what you pay for

I got my RM850x on sale too, $110

[south cliff]

i payed like 70 for my 650 watt power suppley

[fossil cedar]

What's the problem with the revo d.f then 😛

[desert gulch]

ppl who bought a $700 1660ti 😐

[potent portal]

Transient response

[fossil cedar]

What's that again?

[desert gulch]

revo df case compatibility too

[mossy plaza]

this is all I found for the 2nd one lol

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/po-dies-dies-of-death-teletubbies-gif-23885910

[fossil cedar]

Should be on newegg for like ~100

[potent portal]

Short power spikes, usually the GPU saying "I NEED 800W!!!" for less than 0.1ms

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-actual-ducks-ducks-gif-13447263

[south cliff]

bro my monitor keeps turning off then on for no reason

[fossil cedar]

Ah right yeah, sorry brains been running for like 21hrs without sleep atm

I mean i got 8 hrs last night but currently 5am and no sleep yet

When i get on that plane I'll be out like a rock

[mossy plaza]

this look all gud?

[fossil cedar]

Btw you can just send the link from the yellow box

Also nr400 isn't itx

Nr200 is

[potent portal]

Yes pato is a scammer, his name implies he's a tuber but he's not related to a potato at all

[mossy plaza]

dangit

[mossy plaza]

yea I just send a pic cuz I feel like its more convenient

[fossil cedar]

Link is easier imo, easier to suggest changes too

Plus no zooming in

[mossy plaza]

damn Nr200 isnt on pc part picker

[fossil cedar]

Tis

[fossil cedar]

It's not showing up because you picked an atx power supply not SFF

Send me your link i can fix

[teal wraith]

Hello my fine fellow this is a question for homelab tbh not the newegg server (Newegg is real good but for questions like this Homelab is massively better)
i would suggest looking into a server with crackheads that extensively do server hardware instead

[fossil cedar]

Afaik bob, who answered does this kinda stuff for work lol

[teal wraith]

ok good point but you know what im saying

[frank stirrup]

Nah ive seen him hes half 1/3rd potato on his countries side

[teal wraith]

those kind of ellas are a little more rare here

*Fellas

[mossy plaza]

1 sec n gotcha

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/reload-cat-loading-buffering-kitty-gif-17184357

[mossy plaza]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pmgxH2

that should be the right one

[fossil cedar]

What's your total budget for this btw/what gpu you putting in?

[mossy plaza]

for my budget prob about 800 besides gpu

well maybe a bit with the gpu

[fossil cedar]

I meant overall

[mossy plaza]

hm

ig so far besides gpu since I'm gonna use my gpu I have now before I get the real one 700

yea that sounds right

my brain is melting from not sleeping lol

[fossil cedar]

Okay didn't realize you had gpu atm, what one is it? Just to make sure it fits?

[south cliff]

3070 ti only 700 atm?

[strong raft]

Pretty much

[fossil cedar]

Has been for a bit

[mossy plaza]

its a gtx 650 n it should fit since its not that large I'm not sure about what it is fully though its just gonna be a place holder till I eventually get maybe a 1060 ti or somethin from my friend and then eventually I'm gonna upgrade that to maybe a 2060 or 3060 idk though

[south cliff]

wht 3060 ti 650

[fossil cedar]

Oooooooooof, also 1060 ti isn't a card, how much budget would you have for a GPU?

[mossy plaza]

dammit lmao I said the wrong name then

I forgot what its called but its somethin like that

uhh not sure I'm gonna get the gpu last and use my placeholder to actually run the pc

[fossil cedar]

580*

1060 gb probably or 1660 ti, but you can get a 6600 for like 330, almost as good as a 3060

[south cliff]

accidently hit 6

but still for just like 100-150 youcan get a 3070 ti

[fossil cedar]

Personally I'd do this with the new gpu
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pTJXk9

[south cliff]

can you control rgb on trident z rgb ram sticks?

[mossy plaza]

just a question why'd you add in a cpu cooler?

wouldnt it be a waste since it has one with the cpu

[potent portal]

Stock cooler is fine for a bottom tier CPU but you'll get more performance out of the CPU from an aftermarket one

[mossy plaza]

hm alrighty gotcha

[fossil cedar]

2 reasons, to make the cpu cooler, to help cool the vrms

[mossy plaza]

hm alrighty gotcha

ty

ty man

[stoic island]

openrgb works on em

[south cliff]

wdym

[potent portal]

You can either use your motherboard RGB software or openrgb

[stoic island]

there's g.skill's proprietary stuff

and mobo rgb software sometimes works

and then there's openrgb

[south cliff]

i will use gigabytes rgb software because i got a gigabyte mobo

[potent portal]

proprietary garbage*

[stoic island]

all of them kinda are bad

[potent portal]

Yeah but I've never seen the g.skill software work, at all

[fossil cedar]

Np

[stoic island]

fun

[frigid night]

Is openrgb the go to rgb software?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yes, generally

[frank stirrup]

yes

openrgb is love

[obsidian wigeon]

signal rgb sucks

[frigid night]

Aight cool

[potent portal]

SignalRGB is ok if you like fancier effects but can use more CPU time, and not all the effects are free

[frigid night]

How much cpu does openrgb use?

[frank stirrup]

openrgb has very nice plugin available for effects

[potent portal]

For more basic stuff, maybe 2-3% of one core

[frigid night]

Oh ok. Thats like.. nothing lol

[potent portal]

Yeah, I like mine to be practical so I set it to CPU temp. It changes, Green, Yellow, then Red as the CPU heats up.
Uses maybe 4%

[tight moat]

how should i buy my OS?

[potent portal]

Windows I'm assuming? There's cheap keys available but they're grey market technically so can't link them here.
You can still use Windows 7 or 8 keys off an old PC to activate.

[frigid night]

I like that idea.

Although I want my fans to be green/purple mix instead of just green.

And I can set at what temp they change color yeah?

[potent portal]

Yep totally customizable

[frigid night]

Sweet.

[potent portal]

You'll need this plugin for temp-based monitoring https://gitlab.com/OpenRGBDevelopers/OpenRGBHardwareSyncPlugin

[south cliff]

how do you use it

[frigid night]

Alright cool.

[potent portal]

OpenRGB or the plugin?

[south cliff]

openrgb

[potent portal]

Open it, it auto detects your RGB (if compatible), and you can pick each device mode, or even individual LEDs and effects

[south cliff]

where do i download

nvm

[potent portal]

https://gitlab.com/CalcProgrammer1/OpenRGB/-/releases

[south cliff]

i got it

[frank stirrup]

One thing to add here is make sure u launch it as admin the first time

[south cliff]

becasue oof the virus thing?

[frank stirrup]

u can launch not as admin after that

[frank stirrup]

needs to set stuff up

[south cliff]

well i didnt

[frank stirrup]

close it and start it as admin again

remember to quit from task bar as well

[frigid night]

I was looking at the update logs and noticed controller support. Which leads me to ask.. if I have my argb plugged into a controller then maybe it won't work?

Like I have an antec controller.

[frank stirrup]

it will

[frigid night]

Ok. Was just a little confused

[subtle skiff]

Anyone here to help me build

Dm me pls

[frigid night]

What do you need help with? Just ask here.

That way multiple knowledgeable people can help instead of just 1 person.

[subtle skiff]

Tnx but i got help from another person

[random rapids]

can someone help my nzxt fans are connected to this splitter and they are spinning bud i cant controle it

[woeful fossil]

Want to swap the MB for an ASUS Prime z690M-Plus will this impact the build?

[frank stirrup]

why tho?

[olive cypress]

Fans connected via splitter can't be controlled separately, you can "control the header" where it is attached, but all the fans will go the same speed
Or is the problem completely different?

[olive cypress]

You may not even be able to check the speed from the rpm so you must know the maximum fan speed so you can choose the best curve for your fans...

@random rapids

[fossil cedar]

It's not worth it, 100$ more for a board basically the same quality except it can overclock

[potent portal]

Try switching the header mode. If it's on DC set it to PWM, or vice versa.

[sour panther]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yPLL9r is this a good build?

[frank stirrup]

not really

you can do better for the price now

[sour panther]

Suggestions?

[olive cypress]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nqyrv3

@sour panther I tried making a "decent" build, I'll ask @frank stirrup opinion...
You then choose case, cooler, and storage

[fossil cedar]

You sent the wrong link

Send the one in the yellow box

[olive cypress]

As always

[potent portal]

Probably better to do 12400 and 3060 ti or 3070

[olive cypress]

Yeah, maybe the 12600 is too much, I couldn't find 3060tis at a good price, maybe something good can by from on Amazon

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GJXqRv

[olive cypress]

The cooler 💀

[fossil cedar]

Nothing wrong with gammaxx 400 especially for 20$

[olive cypress]

I mean, its a bit ....
...mmmh ...
Ugly?

In my opinion

Then he can buy what he wants

[desert gulch]

12400 same price right?

[fossil cedar]

I mean id cooling se 224 xt/vetroo v5 are also good options that may look a bit nicer but nowadays i think 30$ is too much for them with coolers like frost spirit/peerless assassin being 40$

[desert gulch]

P sure pcpp is just being weird again

[fossil cedar]

15$ more

[desert gulch]

On pcpp?

[fossil cedar]

Ye

[desert gulch]

Amazon had it for $160

[fossil cedar]

Oh

Odd

[desert gulch]

Pcpp is just weird

Idk what's up with it nowadays

[fossil cedar]

Did you see they added that msi b660 pro might need bios update??

[sour panther]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zctygb

[fossil cedar]

Case is awful, that's gonna be an ovem

Aio is overpriced and very not needed

[sour panther]

Is there a case where i can mount it under the desk?

[fossil cedar]

Mount the case under the desk?

Uh no unless you made like a shelf kind of thing

[zenith flicker]

So I am looking at two different video cards

1. EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 12GB LHR 12 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card

2. MSI Radeon RX 6900 XT 16 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card

Which is better?

[desert gulch]

Pcpp did?

[fossil cedar]

Ye look at my list again then the errors

[desert gulch]

Lmfao

Is it a actual thing it may need or just crap?

[fossil cedar]

6900xt is a bit better in non ray tracing, in ray tracing 3080 wins

[fossil cedar]

Prolly crap

[desert gulch]

@stoic island know anything on this?

[zenith flicker]

So basically it’s preference? I am considering the msi over the other

[timber slate]

If anyone has any recommendations on upgrades please lmk, I play eSports titles OW, R6, COD but I am also getting into streaming heavier games.

Case: Lian Li O11 Air Mini Tempered Glass ATX Mini Tower Computer Case
MotherBoard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Scythe Fuma 2 Rev.B 39.44 CFM CPU Cooler
GPU: Asus GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8 GB TUF GAMING OC
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME, Seagate Barracuda 1 and 2tb HDD 2 separate drives
PSU: G.Skill 850 Watt Power Supply, 80 Plus Gold

[desert gulch]

@fossil cedar looks like it's just crap

The bios thingy

[jagged ember]

why do you think you need an upgrade?

[stoic island]

why would that be?

[desert gulch]

Idk

I just asked chimp and e-man and they said it's just pcpp being weird and not to worry about it

[stoic island]

yea

[timber slate]

None of this is bought yet so I just want to see if everything I have is good

[stoic island]

@fossil cedar looked again, pcpp prob got confused because 12900ks takes a new update, everything else is fine still

[jagged ember]

it'll be just fine

[jagged ember]

do send a full pcpp list with everything you plan to buy though

[bold prism]

Is there a device to connect all your rgb case fans to instead of a daisy chain?

[jagged ember]

just so people here can help pick better components if needed

[timber slate]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HBKQPX

[stoic island]

g.skill made a psu?

I'll edit it

[timber slate]

Apparently they made an entire line. I didn't know about it til I started looking into PSU's xD

[stoic island]

If sticking to AMD, gonna go with 2000$ as budget rn:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WhQvjZ
I'll make an Intel alternative too

[desert gulch]

Only gskill I saw on cultists was a c tier lol

[stoic island]

ye

Headphones should be swapped for smth else imo, if you don't need wireless, pc37x

if you do need wireless, meh, something else

Monitor could also be swapped

Basically same thing but with 12600kf and cheaper:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6Rcz6r

[timber slate]

That isnt the exact monitor, just the closest to what is in my microcenter cart and the headset is preferred wireless

[desert gulch]

Is whisper m same price?

[stoic island]

ye

revo df slightly better afaik

[timber slate]

And I would prefer the same case since I will be moving locations every few months so a mini ATX is best for me

[stoic island]

whisper m also has short hold up time, although not as bad as agf

[desert gulch]

Thought whisper m was better

Was talking with Luke about it not too long ago

[stoic island]

o11 air is not small, I'd like to point that out, it's wide as heck

[desert gulch]

Formula gold 750 should be a good bit cheaper aswell, it's a good option

[stoic island]

p400a might even be smaller than o11 air

Both of em are cwt gpu, so they're close enough in general anyways

But I just remember revo df doing better in testing

[desert gulch]

But whisper m and formula gold are plat smh

Plat > gold because efficiency=quality

[stoic island]

revo df is close enough to rated plat too smh

[stoic island]

just keep in mind mini atx is just a stubbier motherboard, if you want actually small, you'll want to do itx

[jagged ember]

also means less cable management space

[strong raft]

Well p400A is definitely taller since it's a normal case, while air mini is wider for where it has the psu.

[stoic island]

Ye, air mini is just not that much smaller

it's not like nr200p or anything actually small

[strong raft]

Indeed. Even an matx air mini would be pretty stout

[zenith flicker]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s7KQPX on this list there is an error and also shows that i should pick an operating system but it doesnt have widows 12. where do i find that?

And does this build allow for the ethernet to connect to it?

[potent portal]

It doesn't say anything about an OS and Windows 12 doesn't exist

But yes every motherboard these days has ethernet

[strong raft]

Ignore the error also, any z690 mobo should already support the 12700K

[stoic island]

pcpp has been doing dumb things

[strong raft]

So have people. Pcpp is made by people. They could perhaps only do that error on mobos/setups likely to be effected, like a b450 mobo w/ a 5600g

[potent portal]

With how new the 5600 is there's a decent chance even a B550 won't have the needed bios version

[strong raft]

That too, but they shouldn't show the "dumb" error for Intel setup unless it's 1 saying "hey bozo z590 mobo doesn't go w/ a 12600K", etc.

[zenith flicker]

thanks

[timber slate]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qfN4Mb
Here is my updated one, the motherboard and CPU bundle on microcenter is $440 and has wifi built in which is a plus since I am not guaranteed ethernet all the time

[zenith flicker]

this is what it said

Warning: The MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard supports the Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor with BIOS version 7D25v11. If the motherboard is using an older BIOS version, upgrading the BIOS will be necessary to support the CPU.

[strong raft]

Yea as I said stock bios probably works, that's how Intel often is.

[zenith flicker]

ok so what i have is good

thanks

If you couldnt tell im new to pc stuff

[strong raft]

Btw to put your mind at ease I'll show you how 12700K is supported since the 1st bios, I checked. A0 was the 1st, & there's 2 after that so you could maybe update it later if you felt like it.

[tacit quarry]

Hey all, want to build first system. Budget 2500, would like intel w/3080. Can anyone recommend cpu/gpu/board combos to get me started. Thanks

[fossil cedar]

Umm depends what you want to do with it

[zenith flicker]

yeah ill probably just update it if i can

[fossil cedar]

Figured yea

[zenith flicker]

sure

[fossil cedar]

Yeah that makes sense that's what i figured

[fossil cedar]

What country are you in?

[zenith flicker]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/CDennison527/saved/#view=cW9t3C

this one was recommended to me

[tacit quarry]

Hi Pato, US

[fossil cedar]

Okay 1 sec

[tacit quarry]

thank you this is perfect

[zenith flicker]

i liked it too when i saw it

[strong raft]

Perhaps think about Frost Commander because 5800x runs warm afaik. Otherwise pretty fine. Could check psu tier list & look for an A tier thouh. Often a few for similar price to the one you had listed

[fossil cedar]

I'd do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mpq89r

[fossil cedar]

This is cheaper and better
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vsyrv3

[tacit quarry]

thank you. that looks great.

[timber slate]

Would you prefer the K or KF cause I found the K for cheaper

[fossil cedar]

No problem

[fossil cedar]

Sure, the kf doesn't have integrated graphics whereas the k does

[timber slate]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KxLL9r
Updated build GPU is $700, and 12600k is $250, Monitor is $200, total of the build outside of pcpp is $2,079.34 with taxes and $100 headset

[jagged ember]

for laptop ram do the timings matter?

[olive cypress]

Sneaky Boi

[strong raft]

Laptop ram often just has much higher cL than pc ram. For instance 3200 cL 20 or 22 VS 3200c16, but it's common. If you mean adding a stick, yes timings should match.

[jagged ember]

yeah, just planning to buy a pair of 3200 cl22 ram and wasn't sure if that was normal lol

[fossil cedar]

Basically no because they'll run jedec

[earnest olive]

how would a z690 board have a bios too old to boot 12700K lol

[earnest olive]

only if you have a chad MSI laptop that allows ram oc

otherwise just look for 3200 22-22-22-52 1.2V

some laptop ram has 3200 xmp profile that isn't supported by most laptops so you might buy it and end up not being able to run 3200 on them

[mossy venture]

Whole lotta no

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zv3QPX

I'd also do g27q over that monitor

240hz us useless for most people, unless you play competitively for money

I left the case since i figured you liked the look

But personally I'd do p360a

[celest horizon]

You could maybe flash the spd with rweverything

Depends if the laptop bios lets you

[timber slate]

I do plus I found a lg 240hz monitor for $200 which is around the same price as some 144hz. Really the only thing I am stuck inbetween is the 3070ti or the 3080. The 3080 is $150 added to my current plan but both work more than needed

[frank delta]

I’d go with a 3070 ti. I got a 3080 for 1000 and I definitely didn’t need it like it’s basically a flex at this point but if you can get a 3080 for like less than $900 which there are a couple go for it

[timber slate]

Ok, thank you

[mossy venture]

3080 is a good boost over the 3070 ti

And with the other changes I made to the build, its similarly priced overall

[timber slate]

The actual pricing of pcpp is $1930.29 if the GPU was priced correctly thats keeping the same parts the same price in pcpp like the CPU and Monitor. If I do your PSU and SSD then its $15 cheaper but I would rather use brands that I have experienced first hand.

[stoic island]

@timber slate at least swap the SSD for s70 blade, it's the same price for basically a 980 pro

And the PSU for a revolution d.f. 850w or whisper M 850w

Better psus at the same price

G6 if you want to stick with EVGA, but expensive

Welp, I would still rather suggest a different case, for a smaller case, something like a nr400

[mossy venture]

Also the gigabyte 3070 ti at $700 over than 3070 ti

Or the 3080 I put in the parts list

[jagged ember]

okay

[next dock]

is this motherboard good

for 12400

and would it be not ideal for 12600k

[mossy venture]

What's your budget for the build

I'll make you a list

[next dock]

i dont need a list im looking for itx board

for 12th gen

but thank you

[mossy venture]

I mean

[next dock]

sorry for not making it clear but i was looking for an itx board for 12th gen, are there any suggestions

[mossy venture]

Full build list

With all parts

[next dock]

No im okay

i see these boards but i am not sure how good they are

[mossy venture]

Asus b660 prime or msi b660m

Both ddr4

[next dock]

but those are not itx

[mossy venture]

Theyre matx

[next dock]

but matx does not fit tu150

[mossy venture]

Are you dead set on the case?

[next dock]

yes i am going to be moving the computer around and it has a nice handle and is very small

perfectly fits my needs

[mossy venture]

Where are you going to me moving it around to...

[next dock]

between houses

[mossy venture]

Out of those mobos, the cheapest option will work

[next dock]

would you recommend running the 12600k on the b660m-itx/ac from asrock

[mossy venture]

No

12400 would be fine

[next dock]

okay is it because the vrms will get too hot

[mossy venture]

Not 600k

Most likely

[next dock]

oh ok

[mossy venture]

I dont know enough about the other boards to suggest one

Not the 610

The gigabyte b660 might be alright, depending on price

[desert gulch]

Iirc the giga ones had memory issues at launch but should be fixed by now

[next dock]

$249

lol

[mossy venture]

Thought that was rhe ax

Yeah no

Are you in the US?

[next dock]

yes

[mossy venture]

The asrock one will have to work ig

[desert gulch]

I'd check vrms

[mossy venture]

The vrms are mid at best

[desert gulch]

Power delivery on the asrock z690 itx can only output 150w 💀

[mossy venture]

All the other mobos that fit the case they want are over $200

[desert gulch]

8 phase power delivery too 💀

Gotta watch out for cooler compatibility on most itx lga1700 boards too, some can't even take an aio or anything because of the heatsinks

[next dock]

is amd better choice for itx then

or would it be better to pay up for better 12th gen board

[mossy venture]

Eh

I'll take a look

Doesn't seem like it

I'd just go with the asrock 660

Could also just go down to a 12400 as well... not like it's that far behind

[next dock]

yes 12400 would be better if the board cannot handle the 12600k

what about for rgb fans? are there any value a-rgb ones

or does that not really exist

[mossy venture]

P12 argb I think exists

[next dock]

is $17 a steep price for an item like that

[mossy venture]

Depends

Each or for multiple?

[next dock]

for one

[mossy venture]

Too much

[next dock]

are id-cooling rgb fans ok then

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DBsnTW/id-cooling-df-12025-565-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-df-12025-argb-trio

[desert gulch]

@earnest olive didn't you get some of these?

[next dock]

https://www.amazon.com/upHere-Hydraulic-Motherboard-Addressable-SR12-07-5/dp/B087FYYQC4/ref=sr_1_3?

5 pack for like $34

[desert gulch]

Ive used other up here fans and they got fairly loud after a bit, not sure if those would be the same

[next dock]

oh not ideal then

[desert gulch]

Those may be a different bearing but that's just my personal experience

[next dock]

they are cheap fans so i would not doubt it

[ivory venture]

my favorite cpu is the intel core i3090 ti 5900sx pro max and my fav gpu is the nvidio gfight rt 4090 ti pro

my opinion is correct

bruh 😂 everybody left cus my opinion is so epic

🤡

[next dock]

?

[broken sail]

looking to build a productivity/space for pics pc,

ryzen 5 5600g
msi a520-a
2 x 8gb 3600
250gb nvme
2tb hd
rosewill case
evga br 450w 80+ bronze

any changed i should make?

price is around 530

[next dock]

so the uphere fans are indeed very loud

thank you for the heads up @desert gulch

Does anyone know of a good high pressure rgb fan to put on the se-224-xt? or is this not advised

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08PYJZ4RY maybe i will go with this

[mossy venture]

whats your total budget?

[broken sail]

eh, 650 would be near the max

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WBNHGL

for 650 one sec

could you buy a used gpu?

if you could find a 1050 ti or smthn around that for a decent price

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wCfgBj

with increasing budget just a bit more to include tax, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kzzwgb would be good

[south cliff]

You gonna have to get a new ssd or hdd because 512 go gets used very quickly

Sooner or later

[mossy venture]

depends on use

[broken sail]

really just meant for excel/docs/storing pics

i dont think a decent gpu like a 1050 ti is necessary

[mossy venture]

ah

then the 5600g one i made is fine, or i can make a cheaper one if youd like

12100 price sucks

otherwise id do that

[analog pulsar]

What about i5

[mossy venture]

not worth for the use case

tho ig compared to 5600g maybe

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y8Lwgb

[south cliff]

yeah no need for 12400 since he is doing really basic stuff.

[broken sail]

thank you, i think this works great for me 👍

[winter marsh]

I was just looking over the very same products lol

[little osprey]

@mossy venture nice build but id go with corsair or gskill for ram and wd for ssd

otherwise nice build

[strong raft]

It's for someone else. MP33 is a well known SN550 competitor and g.skill 3200c16 would be $5+ more is why it's not on there. plus, also the lower-end corsair kits are nothin special.

[mossy venture]

[little osprey]

thats fair

[leaden plume]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tRsBLs

Is this set up good enough

[potent portal]

What have you bought already?

[hollow sail]

HI

[potent portal]

That liquid cooler isn't nearly good enough for a 12600k to start

[leaden plume]

Nothing rn, just planning

[potent portal]

Ok, what's your budget looking like?

[hollow sail]

guy do pc part picker daliver to uk

[leaden plume]

2000 but preferably lower if possible

[potent portal]

pcpartpicker has a UK website, they link to UK retailers

[hollow sail]

can uu give me it

[potent portal]

US?

[leaden plume]

Yes

[potent portal]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/

[analog pulsar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/TydnTW/entry-level-intel-gaming-build

oooo

@potent portal what you think i found it on pcpartpicker website

[potent portal]

Not bad. 12100 is happy enough at 3200 c16. The SSD choice filter could use work to select only tiered drives. The case is fine if you like the 2006 look.
That PSU though... That could be hazardous, tier E for e-waste

[analog pulsar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/bM7Ycf/great-amd-gaming-build

this too

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/x3G323/enthusiast-amd-gamingstreaming-build or 3070 ti

oh maybe if you slap a 4000D can cut the price a bit

[potent portal]

@leaden plume Do you need/want wifi on the motherboard?

[leaden plume]

What does wifi on a mobo do lol

I forgot

[potent portal]

Just lets you connect to your router wirelessly instead of having to use a cable

[analog pulsar]

Give internet lol

(Cable is better) but if you can't do cable wifi is good too

[leaden plume]

Ok then yes wifi

[potent portal]

I use an old router as a wireless adapter in bridge mode, 1Gb over wifi goes noooom

[analog pulsar]

💀

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HXd28r
Starter suggestion, other input welcome

[leaden plume]

Ok I like it

Just I dont like 3070ti

[potent portal]

WD Green drive ☠️

[leaden plume]

3060ti is better for its price imo

[analog pulsar]

Idk

[potent portal]

If you're targeting 1440p high refresh in anything other than valorant, then having a more powerful GPU is worth it.
The 3070 ti is about 25% better at about 25% more money right now. It scales pretty well atm.

[leaden plume]

Also what was wrong with the previous motherboard

[potent portal]

Asrock and Intel do not get along at all

They artificially limit the processor using out of spec power limits to make up for having cheap VRM

[leaden plume]

Ok

[potent portal]

Higher end asrock boards are ok but not these budget level boards

[leaden plume]

Whats better about micro atx

[potent portal]

Just cheaper

Basically the same except a couple less PCIe slots

[strong raft]

asus KO 2 fan 3070 is $630 at asus.com currently, just sayin. Almost right in between the $550 and $700 of the 60 ti and 70 ti, lol.

[potent portal]

Interesting, yeah I would have put that if it was on pcpp

There's little difference in real world application between 70 and 70 ti

[strong raft]

Indeed. The non ti just happens to be sort of "rare" most of the time lately.

[leaden plume]

Does a 12400 need a 240mm or 360mm aio

[strong raft]

nope, peerless assassin or similar would be plenty

[analog pulsar]

chooses chooses haha

@potent portal no dont give me that face

stop its not cursed guys

[potent portal]

It is cursed for 2 reasons: 64GB, and 3600C18 at that price

[strong raft]

Same price as I paid for 3600c16 ballistix. (I mean would be if I bought 64GB)

[potent portal]

Plus the royals are mostly more expensive just for the pretty colors

[analog pulsar]

well 1 i want 64GB ram 2 i cant find 3600 CL 16 or i would get it

like doesnt exist

[strong raft]

Pro tip, don't get 64GB unless 100% actually need it - pretty sure you don't. way too much ram is 1 of the dumber flexes people can do.

[fossil cedar]

I'd do this instead
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HhZ7Rv

[analog pulsar]

im gunna run (gaming) VMs

[fossil cedar]

12400 doesn't need an aio at all

[leaden plume]

What ab a 12600k

[potent portal]

Finally got around to looking at this one and... I have some concerns lol.
5800X is not worth it, and X570 is wholly unneeded unless you're doing SLI or RAID. Swap the X570 for B550 and get 5800X3D. Or save money and go 5700X.
Pretty sure that DRP cooler is just barely going to cut it on one of the hottest CPUs that exists. There's other choices.
3200C16 is awful for high end Ryzen.

[fossil cedar]

The cooler i put in the list will handle a 12600k perfectly fine although an aio makes way more sense on it

[analog pulsar]

why pcpartpicker have bad guides

[leaden plume]

Is it a problem if the mobo is more expensive than the cpu

[fossil cedar]

It's not advised usually

Why?

[potent portal]

Because they're made by random people that don't always know about parts quality and value

[analog pulsar]

anyone want a radio

[leaden plume]

Alot of the mobos arent conpatible with the 12400 or the 12600k because of bios versions

And only the expensive mobos are compatible

[earnest olive]

false warning

[potent portal]

That's just pcpp being dumb

[analog pulsar]

for what

[earnest olive]

any 600 series board will be compatible

[fossil cedar]

That's a false positive, use this list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HhZ7Rv

[potent portal]

pcpp has been putting warnings on some B660 and Z690 boards that they might need bios updates, which is false

[analog pulsar]

Oh

Weird

[potent portal]

It's not like the boards launched after the CPUs, they launched together and unless they have a bios version that's literally a test version from the factory, they don't need to be updated

[leaden plume]

Micro atx motherboard in a mid tower case looks really weird

[potent portal]

Personally I like it because it's easier to manage/hide cables

But that's down to preference

[leaden plume]

Yeah but theres alot of empty space

[potent portal]

Get creative. Make a LCD display or something for the gap.

But you can get full ATX if you want

[fossil cedar]

Not really, unless you're looking at it straight on, you wont be able to see between the gpu and the power supply shroud

[strong raft]

the only cpu (I know of, for Intel) that current 600 series mobos might not support w/ their factory bios is the "special" 12900KS because it's a lot newer than others. pcpartpicker is just being a safety nanny.

[leaden plume]

Whats a lcd display

[potent portal]

@analog pulsar If you must have 64GB https://pcpartpicker.com/product/29gQzy/gskill-ripjaws-v-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-64gvk

[analog pulsar]

Rgb

[fossil cedar]

Correct

Kenzie? Why do you want 64gb?

[potent portal]

Fine, with RGB https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RjzFf7/gskill-trident-z-rgb-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-64gtzr

[potent portal]

VMs apparently

[fossil cedar]

Having 64gb will actively hurt your performance over cheaper faster 32gb

Vms?

How many??

[analog pulsar]

😁

[fossil cedar]

Kenzie how many vms would you be running at once? And whyyy?

[analog pulsar]

3 and bc gaming

im not gaming on it other people are

[fossil cedar]

32gb is plenty for 3 vms

[analog pulsar]

no

[fossil cedar]

It is

[analog pulsar]

i had 32 befpre

i ran out

[potent portal]

A little screen, like this https://youtu.be/RTdniu3gn3Y

[analog pulsar]

i had the NZXT pc before

has 32GB ram

[fossil cedar]

How? And I don't understand how you'd game on 3 vms but okay

[potent portal]

What are you running in the VMs that they need 8GB each?

[analog pulsar]

you didnt watch this then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc3LGVi5Sio&t=62s

[strong raft]

Ironically, could easily fit in the front of any case if we still had 2 or 3 spots for a cd drive.

[fossil cedar]

32gb is enough to give each vm 9gb each and leave 5gb of system ram

[analog pulsar]

games

[potent portal]

Front LCDs used to be a thing, they were built into "premium" cases but died out pretty fast like mid-2000s

And 3D printing solves that anyway, just print a mount that will attach to the front of your case

[fossil cedar]

Oh yeah some software that was in beta + dummy plugs

[analog pulsar]

wym beta

its parsec

https://parsec.app/

[fossil cedar]

@analog pulsar
I'd do this personally
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hFdrxr/gskill-trident-z-neo-64-gb-4-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-f4-3600c16q-64gtznc

Oh mkay

[strong raft]

Lots of fads sure make temporary comebacks soemtiems.

[analog pulsar]

okay

[fossil cedar]

It's a bit more but at least you get those tighter timings

[potent portal]

4x16 tho, it'll take some tuning of the IMC

[fossil cedar]

It might

[analog pulsar]

What's a IMC

[boreal compass]

How much performance gain would 3600 cl 16 give over cl18?

[potent portal]

Integrated Memory Controller

[boreal compass]

would it be noticeable

[fossil cedar]

Picked that on purpose for the tighter timings, 12th gen has s good imc anyway

[potent portal]

Ah right 12th gen, might be ok then

[fossil cedar]

Over 3200c18 or 3600c18?

[potent portal]

Which CPU?

[boreal compass]

I’m using a 5800x

[fossil cedar]

Get 3600c16

[potent portal]

Yes it's noticeable to me when I upgraded

[fossil cedar]

Also if you haven't bought the 5800x yet, have you already got an amd board?

If not there's no point in going and these days

[boreal compass]

I have it already was just wondering if it would be a noticeable upgrade

[analog pulsar]

@potent portal sorry i forgot to post list https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Jayson1156/saved/nXJyWZ like stuff that goes with ram

minus gpu thats not suppose to be there

[fossil cedar]

If you already have 3600c18 imo it wouldn't be worth the money unless you can put that ram to use in another pc in your house or something

[potent portal]

Might be able to overclock instead, 3800c18 would be an improvement

[fossil cedar]

PLEASE DON'T PUT 64GB RAM WITH A 3050 💀

[analog pulsar]

boi gpu is not there

minus that i said'

[fossil cedar]

Hmm?

[analog pulsar]

im waiting for 4000 series

[fossil cedar]

Okay

[potent portal]

.

[potent portal]

AMD does better with VMs

Their driver specifically allows the VM to use the GPU how you want instead of having to tweak the nvidia one

[fossil cedar]

@analog pulsar you gonna be cpu overclocking?

[fossil cedar]

Although parsec might have a workaround as iirc linus didn't have a hard time with it

[analog pulsar]

here is list i was planning on buying 3050 as a temp card but we found away around that im just using Geforce now

[analog pulsar]

idk i did what linus did in video and it worked

everything was smooth

[fossil cedar]

^^^@analog pulsar

[potent portal]

Parsec might have the tweaks embedded

[analog pulsar]

i wanna learn

[fossil cedar]

Okay

[analog pulsar]

houses caughts on fire

[fossil cedar]

Because if not you could have saved like 100$ on the board +cpu just asking

[analog pulsar]

I mean huh

[analog pulsar]

yea ik

[potent portal]

Torrent is better for air cooling and custom looping btw

AIO is awkward AF

[analog pulsar]

well gamer nexus said aio will fit in front

[potent portal]

It will, but then you need to move the 180 fans to the bottom where they barely fit (pinches my cables) and toss out the included 140s

[analog pulsar]

no i toss 180 out and just keep 140

[potent portal]

The... whole point of the case... is the 180s

[analog pulsar]

not for me

its the airflow

[potent portal]

Then get a p500a instead

The airflow is good because of the 180s

[analog pulsar]

but i like the look of the case

[fossil cedar]

@analog pulsar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BKRxH2

[analog pulsar]

plus case has positive pressure

bc its 6 vs 1 fans

[fossil cedar]

Every non nzxt case has positive pressure lol

[analog pulsar]

I will think about it

[frigid night]

@analog pulsar did you like sell your good desktop for some reason and get a cheap one? Now you are building another one?

[analog pulsar]

Well I for cheap one bc I got bored of just watching tv but now I have job I can buy a good pc

[frigid night]

Ah ok.

[analog pulsar]

But yea I sold my last pc for car then I was using a i3 computer I was like man I can't do this so I went into Facebook market place and found a i7 3770k for $75 whole pc so I coped it and been using that until I just got better internet now I'm using GFN with a 3080 but I would like to have my own pc

[regal dust]

how long you guys think will 3080 last? keeping up with todays game and future 3A titles

[fossil cedar]

Resolution and Ray traced or raster(non ray tracing)?

[formal girder]

Well seeing as how well a 1660 on 1440P performs on high settings on most games a 3080 will last years as well at 1440P high settings even max on most

[fossil cedar]

I'd say ~4 years from now for non ray tracing personally

[strong raft]

Yea partially depends on how crappily optimized some future games are combines w/ their gfx requirements at the same time.

[rich void]

A lot of it depends on how willing someone is to lower settings to play new games vs. how willing they are to reach into their wallet

[frigid night]

reaches into wallet

[little osprey]

no way this arrives tmro bruh

from ontario to florida 💀

and still no updates

since last week

[frigid night]

I always use the tracking # on the shippers site over whatever website I ordered from, usually the shippers site is more updated. Also, I've had packages that seemed "stuck in one place" arrive to me on the expected date without there being any updates that it was even close.

[frank delta]

All my parts are finally ordered should be able to build it this coming Wednesday. I’m excited haven’t been back in the master race for some time now

[mossy venture]

Whenever anyone uses the words "master race" together

[frank delta]

I mean if we are talking about the aryan race👀 jkjkjk

[winter marsh]

top tier pc gaming isn't always a hardware spec aone

cpu power used to dominate early mmo pvp and raiding content, later fps ruled over first person shooters and combat simulators..

But overall content skill should remain the dominant factor....

I've mastered and forgotten games based on the desired content alone, it makes me a seasonal gamer which is halarious in itself.

[fossil cedar]

Fps is just hands down better with mouse n keeb tho

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar is fast ram important for stuff

I mean I had 3200 and it was good at gaming

[fossil cedar]

Fast ram will help with cpu speed

[winter marsh]

On that I agree with, Cpu, Gpu, and Ddr speed are the primer for a gaming pc, more so than HD type or exotic controllers with only one exception.

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[winter marsh]

That would be Flight and Space Combat Sims, Mouse and Keys work for anything else like MMO's FPS, and RPGS

@analog pulsar Imagine gaming on ddr3 2333 or ddr2 1866?

[analog pulsar]

nope cant imagine

[winter marsh]

that matches a pc upstairs I built eleven years ago, now my nephew wants a pre built Alienware.

[analog pulsar]

[winter marsh]

It's run by a AMD Phenon Black Edition if I remember, he won't even me drop a AMD FX 8350 in it...

[jagged ember]

oh no

an alienware

[winter marsh]

No no Alienware is what he's buying to surpass his kids

[jagged ember]

that's the point, Alienware sad

[naive swan]

[winter marsh]

I built three of them Asus B450 Plus Tuf Gaming with Ryzen 1500X and GTX 1660 Supers, now upgrading them years later to Ryzen 5600X and used RTX 2080's and 3600Mhz ram

The Alienware will get smoked out of the box

[jagged ember]

it's crazy how Alienware has literally been using the same chassis for like

a decade

and they decided to engineer around it instead of retooling and making a better chassis

[naive swan]

Alienware PCs probably have more plastic then silicon

[analog pulsar]

It's fine

It has rgb so it's 100% good

[jagged ember]

lmao

[winter marsh]

I grew to hate RGB

or was it the controllers, manufacturer custom cabling that isn't RGB or ARGB

Either way cases a decorated with preset or case controlled RGB or LED fans now

[jagged ember]

those are nice

no headaches

well, at least on use

setup and cable management is another thing lol

[little osprey]

ah ok thx

[winter marsh]

I've also tossed in Funko Pops to stand on the video cards in the lighting...

[jagged ember]

honestly I'm surprised they don't melt

[little osprey]

yeah it just updated 2 hours ago it's finally near the area

i thought it wasent comming for a min

[winter marsh]

I'm only scared of ordering from China myself, ie the dreaded 3-22 days

[earnest olive]

false

no PC is better than an alienware at producing smoke

[earnest olive]

get a piece of polypropylene to sit under them unless you're putting them on the very edge of the graphics card

have seen funko pops with melted feet before

[jagged ember]

oh, that's how they don't melt

now I know

https://c.tenor.com/QaGZ50VlEPEAAAAM/think-about-it-use-your-brain.gif

[earnest olive]

yeah back when my PC only had room to put something near the core I used polypropylene

now I can put something on the edge and it's still cold so it doesn't matter

[winter marsh]

Does double sided tape count?

[earnest olive]

I wouldn't

polypropylene is not that rare you can identify it in food packaging with the recycle symbol

I just got some little plastic lids that were labelled as polypropylene

iirc it's 5 but google it to confirm

[frank delta]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hLKTY9 is the list solid?

[stoic island]

Would go 12th gen today

Corsair ram is sad

SN850 is expensive, xs70 or s70 blade is basically the same thing for cheaper

O11 isn't great, would rather use a different case

[desert gulch]

Horribly based

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d94TY9

Do this instead

[winter marsh]

Lian Li O11 Air Mini ATX Mid Tower Case??

[fossil cedar]

Kept the white theme pretty much, get way better cpu, better ram and more of it, 2tb ssd instead, almost as fast, better case

[fossil cedar]

It's an atx case in disguise

@winter marsh don't avoid the swear filter

[winter marsh]

It's roomy, vented, and available for $50.00 usd open box

https://www.ebay.com/itm/324920438804?epid=2317058678&hash=item4ba6c47014:g:N5gAAOSwebNhqnZ9

[fossil cedar]

Its meh tbh

[winter marsh]

I purchased one to seat a MSI Mag B550 Gaming Edge WiFi for a brat

[earnest olive]

$50

right.

yup.

seller is actually a clown if they think they can get $165 + tax for this lol

yikes

[winter marsh]

okay drop ebay for newegg

https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-05F8-00053?Item=9SIB75VGW12366

I forgot to tag free shipping

[fossil cedar]

If you want a good cheap case go one of the cougar mx330/mx331 variants

[frank delta]

I went with 11th gen because it was $100 cheaper when I bought it for like what maybe 5% increase

[frank delta]

Everything is already ordered I was just seeing what everyone else thinks but I’m the type of person that would sacrifice performance for aesthetics and the 12700f is a good option but I’d rather have the K sku for a moderate overclock which is why I went with 11th gen k sku for overclocking purposes and I found one for $250

[stoic island]

??

12600k is same price for a better chip

[unborn mesa]

@lime jay #build-pics message whats fans are those

[fossil cedar]

100$ cheaper than a 260$ 12600k and a 130$ b660?

The list i sent you is cheaper and better?

[earnest olive]

"i'd rather have the K sku to overclock my inferior product to continue to lose to the next gen's lower end products"

[broken lake]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f2pvjZ

How is this for a build?

[earnest olive]

also, why ask if the list is good after ordering everything already lmao

people keep doing this and i cannot understand the logic behind it

[broken lake]

I didn’t order anything yet

[earnest olive]

not you

[broken lake]

I know lol

[fossil cedar]

3090? Are you just gaming?

[broken lake]

And streaming

[fossil cedar]

Or is it for production

[broken lake]

And vr

[fossil cedar]

No point going 3090 then

[broken lake]

What should I go?

Also how much does a 1080 ti sell for rn?

I have two

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kbF6Dq

[fossil cedar]

Prolly like ~400

[broken lake]

Would it be more worth selling my whole rig as one or the gpus separately?

[fossil cedar]

Depends, what's your pc?

[broken lake]

2 1080 ti some intel i9 xe or something 64 fb ram

8tb hdd

[fossil cedar]

I have no idea tbh

Deff sell one of the 1080 tis by themselves

Sli is very dead

[broken lake]

Spaceship

[fossil cedar]

Oh no alianwhere HEDT cpu??

💀

[broken lake]

It’s bad

That’s why I’m upgrading

I got it for $200 tho so can’t really complain

[fossil cedar]

Damm what a steal

Who did you rob to get it for 200???

[broken lake]

I built my friends new pc for them so they gave me their old one for $200

They got a 3070 ti build

Can’t really say no to that

[fossil cedar]

Damm

[broken lake]

I wonder if I could rebuild in the same case

I kinda like it

[earnest olive]

HEDT + 120mm alienware aio

thermal throttling to 1.5 ghz

[fossil cedar]

Please don't it sucks

Also proprietary Garbo from dell

[earnest olive]

turning extreme edition into explosion edition

[broken lake]

Lmao

Probably shouldn’t rebuild in the same case

I think the thing weighs like 50 lbs

[earnest olive]

you literally can't

dell won't let you put standard motherboards in their cases

[broken lake]

I could if I really wanted to. I would find a way

[earnest olive]

unless you want to buy a newer dell motherboard lmao

i mean technically it's possible, but it's not worth the hassle

you'd need to dremel out room for a standard power supply

make your own ATX motherboard standoffs

[broken lake]

Also just not enough cooling

[potent portal]

Yeah with a drill and a metal stamper you could

[broken lake]

A whopping 3 fans lmao

[earnest olive]

rewire the front panel to work with a standard motherboard

somehow i doubt even the fans have standard connectors

doesn't dell use 5 pin fans or something?

[broken lake]

I wouldn’t be surprised

[earnest olive]

so you'd need to some suspicious wire splicing or whatever, who knows

all to continue using an absolute piece of garbage case

[broken lake]

Is the hassle of liquid cooling a pc worth it?

[fossil cedar]

It's not hassle and yes

[earnest olive]

custom water or AIO?

AIO isn't a hassle at all

custom water very much is

[unborn mesa]

@fossil cedar do u know of a decent cpu fan i could get

[earnest olive]

what cpu

[unborn mesa]

5700g

[broken lake]

Custom water

[unborn mesa]

but its been hitting 80c lately which it never did before

[earnest olive]

why do you have a 5700g paired with a 6900xt toxic or whatever

80c is perfectly fine

[fossil cedar]

Get an ak620 imo

[unborn mesa]

on idle its at 60-70

[earnest olive]

sounds like stock cooler moment

[fossil cedar]

Imo no

[earnest olive]

not dangerous

[unborn mesa]

yea stock cooler

@fossil cedar https://global.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/AK620-High-Performance-CPU-Cooler/2021/13067.shtml

[broken lake]

I wanna do water just because it looks cool but idk if that is practical or not

[fossil cedar]

I'm guessing pbo off tho which is sad

[unborn mesa]

this?

[celest horizon]

Haha reaper dailies this exact config

[fossil cedar]

Yup

[earnest olive]

how are the thermals?

clocks?

[celest horizon]

Awful

[fossil cedar]

It's not worth it value wise also a lot of effort

[celest horizon]

I mean, it's a 7980xe at stock

[earnest olive]

from what i understand you can delid those chips and put them under 420mm custom water and they'll still barely push into the low 4s

[celest horizon]

2666 jdec I think

[earnest olive]

jedec

oof

[celest horizon]

Nah, can do 4.5 very easily with a delid

[earnest olive]

under alienware aio probably throttling down to 3ghz

[celest horizon]

More like 4.8 probably, and 33 mesh

[broken lake]

Alienware sucks

[celest horizon]

The 10xxx chips clock a bit higher

[broken lake]

Idk why my friend ever bought this pc

[earnest olive]

i can make my laptop thermal throttle down to 3ghz

[potent portal]

Dell ruined them

[earnest olive]

4.8 sounds really high for a 7980xe

[broken lake]

Were they ever good?

[earnest olive]

wouldn't you be pushing like 700 watts at that point?

[potent portal]

Alienware used to have good models yeah

[celest horizon]

My 9980xe could do 4.9 on cold water, those gens clock similarly

[earnest olive]

ah chilled

[celest horizon]

4.8 on ambient though, 1.2v I think

And 4.7 1.1

[broken lake]

I’m gonna use all my graduation money for a new pc

Very worth

[earnest olive]

you got enough graduation money for a 3090 build?

i didn't get a cent lol

[broken lake]

My grandparents are gonna give me 12k for a car

I’m gonna spend more of that on a pc than a car

[celest horizon]

Why are you buying a pc before college

[broken lake]

Because I need a new one

Also because I can

[fossil cedar]

You don't needa spend 2k+ to get good perf tho, could definitely drop price a good bit, not loosing much perf

[broken lake]

Yea

But like nah

[fossil cedar]

Don't spend more on a pc than a car

[broken lake]

That was very much so a joke

[fossil cedar]

If you have any spare get a better car or save it

Good

[broken lake]

I’m not buying an expensive car tho

I’m buying an antique beetle

[potent portal]

A fully kitted out PC, best possible specs, rgb, custom loop, shouldn't cost more than 3.5k

[broken lake]

The car I want shouldn’t be more than 5-6k

My friend spent 4.5k on a 3070ti build

💀

[potent portal]

Oof, horrible deal. Prebuilt?

[earnest olive]

how?

my 3090 build was less than half

[broken lake]

Not prebuilt

Just bought it at like peak gpu prices

[fossil cedar]

@broken lake like here, save almost a grand, little to no perf difference
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q7r89r

[broken lake]

Spent 2k on just the card

[fossil cedar]

3070 ti wasn't even out at peak gpu time

[potent portal]

Bruh
The peak price on a 3090 was like 2.3k

[fossil cedar]

That's literally impossible

[broken lake]

I thought so too

They found a way

[fossil cedar]

2.5k more like

[broken lake]

And did it

[fossil cedar]

Still

[broken lake]

They are kinda stupid

I think they thought because it was more expensive it would be better

And that is not how that works at all

And I really wish I was joking

[potent portal]

Yeah... We see those people a lot here

[earnest olive]

even at the very worst time for gpus you could get 3070tis for $1100

[broken lake]

What is your build?

[earnest olive]

idk how they managed to pay 2.5k for it

i have a 5800x and a 3090 strix

[broken lake]

Not 2.5 2

[broken lake]

Oh that looks nice

[earnest olive]

cost a little bit more than his gpu lol

[broken lake]

Which is insane

[earnest olive]

you could definitely see the top tier 3090s going for 2.8-3k at some point

[broken lake]

And they pretty much just play Minecraft and osu and over watch

Which is pain

[earnest olive]

lmao

my 3090 got destroyed by minecraft shaders

[broken lake]

How

[earnest olive]

45 fps

[broken lake]

What shaders are you using

[earnest olive]

seus something

45 fps at 480 watt power draw

[broken lake]

Bruh my laptop could run sildurs on high lmao

[celest horizon]

Even optifine will max out a 3090

[earnest olive]

i also maxed out my 3090 in overwatch

1440p medium 330 fps target

480 watts

[celest horizon]

Isn't it capped at 300 unless you mod it

[earnest olive]

ow2 isn't

different engine

[broken lake]

I didn’t get the beta for ow2 sadge

[celest horizon]

But same game 🙃

[broken lake]

I heard it’s pretty bad tho

[earnest olive]

there was guaranteed access for 1 day

i enjoy it more than ow1

[desert gulch]

Forks when you are gonna buy a 6950xt?

[earnest olive]

but i stopped playing ow1 in like 2017

[broken lake]

I’ve been watching ow league to try and get a drop

[earnest olive]

i got a drop from the day where everyone could get one

guaranteed

if you just watched 4 hours in the 8 hour window

[broken lake]

I was on vacation

[earnest olive]

i was at school

i opened twitch on my pc using teamviewer from my phone

[broken lake]

Smart

So what I got from this convo

It’s not worth buying a 3090

[earnest olive]

just get a 3080ti

[broken lake]

That’s probably what I’ll end up doing

[desert gulch]

3080 12gb better value

[broken lake]

My end goal is stream games on high graphics

[broken lake]

@earnest olive would this work with a 3080 ti

[earnest olive]

sure, but there's pretty much no difference between 3080 12gb and 3080ti

depends on what price you can find them at

i've seen some used 3080tis at insane prices lately

[broken lake]

I was probably just gonna buy a gpu straight from nvidia

With the restock and all

[fossil cedar]

Same except playing support felt awful

[earnest olive]

pharmercy is still op

good enough for me

kind of funny i was a support main in ow1 but now all of my friends are support mains so i have to play dps

[fossil cedar]

That's not limited to 1 day btw

[earnest olive]

i heard it was just 1 day where you had a 100% chance

no?