building-and-recc-chat

[little osprey]

im running my headset through a 3.5mm jack

[outer blaze]

Are the cords plugged in all the way? If not you can get some sound but not all

[stoic island]

Anything plugged into 3.5mm will use mobo sound chip/card, alc1200 and such

[little osprey]

so this is what is like, on my old pc 100% volume would kill my ears, on this pc 100% sounds like 8 percent on this pc

[stoic island]

With the same headphones?

[little osprey]

yes'

[stoic island]

Also, in general, realtek and onboard sound chips in general wacky, worthwhile to use like an apple 3.5mm to usb-c dongle if you got one to test, better dac/amp than most mobo sound chips

[little osprey]

like the things that come with my phone

im using the cases headphone jack

[stoic island]

mm

Try rear io headphone jack first

[little osprey]

cable wont reach

[stoic island]

and then try one of these

[outer blaze]

Just upgrade your headphones to usb bluetooth😂

[stoic island]

I mean just grab the headphone, stand next to the PC with headphones plugged into rear io, and see if that helps with volume

[little osprey]

bruh im not made of money

[little osprey]

k

[stoic island]

there's a semi-decent chance the connector connecting case front 3.5mm to your mobo is not plugged in properly or just being wacky in general

[little osprey]

k

[outer blaze]

You can also check the audio connection to the motherboard and make sure it is connected fully

[little osprey]

ok just plugged directly into mobo and it blew out my eardrums

@stoic island

[stoic island]

yea okay front io either broken or the cable isn't plugged in fully

[little osprey]

It plugged in full though

[outer blaze]

The cabling inside could be loose

[little osprey]

It in all the way though

[outer blaze]

Must be the io is bad than somehow

[little osprey]

How is it bad

It’s a 4000d airflow

[outer blaze]

Like broken somehow i mean by bad

[little osprey]

Hmm

[outer blaze]

Not that it is bad quality just maybe it broke somehow

[little osprey]

Interesting

[outer blaze]

Just get an extender for like $10 and plug into the back

[formal girder]

Also@outer blaze you should be able to post your pics in Build pics now

[outer blaze]

Yup i see that now

One of these

[little osprey]

or i could get that apple thing at walmart rn

@stoic island what’s the better option

@outer blaze

?

Just get an aux extender thing

[outer blaze]

I haven’t done much with these. I’d assume they give the same sound quality so it’s more of what is more convenient to you i’d think. But also your front io if it has issues the usb c could be bad too. Do you have a way to test the plug?

[little osprey]

they’re super cheap

Do they have audio extension at Walmart

[outer blaze]

But you nnow your rear port is good so an extender would for sure be ok. Not 100% sure without googling

[little osprey]

I’m heading to Walmart rn

[outer blaze]

Walmart has them just a matter of if in stock at your store

[little osprey]

Yeah they definitely have some

It’s walmart

Ok

Bet

[vague oracle]

Gotta love my luck with life, I’m in the middle of a big snow storm and my house’s heating broke

[desert gulch]

your pc is broken?

[vague oracle]

My bad wrong channel thought this was general

Nah my house’s actual heating broke

[little osprey]

Rip.

[little osprey]

@stoic island I bought one

[stoic island]

now time to use

[little osprey]

When I get Home I will

[scenic turret]

i have three of those

ipad is very specific on what usbc adapter it uses so apple made one works the best

other tech, anything works lol

[glacial umbra]

I just

turned my pc on by zapping it

[little osprey]

Zap

[glacial umbra]

like static shocked it awake

lol

[little osprey]

Wtf

That’s mildly concerning

[little osprey]

Tesla human

[worthy vector]

Idk where to ask but my gpu only has one hdmi port and i kinda want to get another monitor

Idk where to connect it

[fossil cedar]

There should be at least one or two more other connecters on the gpu you can use

[worthy vector]

I have a 1650

I think

Yeah gtx 1650

[fossil cedar]

Yeah you can just use a different cable, or an adaptor

[worthy vector]

Like a splitter?

@fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

No, as in you will have more than 1 port on the back of your graphics card, use one of them, you can get adaptors if needed eg display port to hdmi etc

[worthy vector]

So i can use the display port

Ok

[proud lance]

Hi basically I have Linux rn running on a m.2 ssd. Im thinking of getting windows and duel booting. Will it duel boot if I download windows on a separate Nvmd ssd (not the one with Linux)and install it into my pc thus having 2 ssds one with Linux, and one with windows

[frank stirrup]

yeah

[tiny oriole]

What's a wife?

[fossil cedar]

When you evolve a girlfriend with the use of an ability called diamond ring

[tiny oriole]

What and how do you get a girlfriend xD

Alright I'm done being stupid

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-mystery-velma-scooby-doo-velma-scooby-doo-scooby-doo-and-the-witchs-ghost-gif-23861772

[tiny oriole]

XD

Maybe I should look in the bushes and hopefully find the pokemon

[vague oracle]

I heard they hide in this thing they call grass

[tiny oriole]

Oh I see

Are girlfriends as small as an ant or something? Or are we talking about very tall grass?

[vague oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-around-walking-through-tall-grass-stop-in-my-tracks-whats-that-glance-over-gif-15064603

[simple olive]

Isn't that a unique item?

[little osprey]

Bug type

[fossil cedar]

Yes very

[unique haven]

theres a .0000001 chance of getting one

[simple olive]

What's the drop from?

[unique haven]

i think you need somehting called a life first to be able to unlock it

[simple olive]

I bet it's a drop from birds

[unique haven]

beats me

[glacial umbra]

I feel like it's something else now

because I keep shocking my pc and not just a little bit

only a tiny bit worried

[potent portal]

You smash those rocks with cracks in them, sometimes one will be inside

[tiny oriole]

Dang bro you're a guru with this girlfriend stuff

Do you sell some by any chance? Or trade?

[vague oracle]

They’re not tradeable or sellable

[humble fossil]

Hi

how do I make sure I transferred files to a portable ssd?

lol

[celest horizon]

Zip them before transfer, compare the md5 hash after transfer

[humble fossil]

Ok thanks all

[glacial umbra]

yo so I have a wifi motherboard

I plug in the little wifi antenna it came with but it doesn't connect

bluetooth seems to work with it though

[jagged ember]

do you have the latest wifi drivers for your motherboard?

[glacial umbra]

yeah i thought i did but i must've messed up somewhere

fixed it now though

thanks

[little osprey]

@stoic island the usbc to headphone jack worked

[stoic island]

nice

[little osprey]

i wonder why the normal jack dont work

[analog pulsar]

If someone buys say i5 12600k what gpu would you recommend with it

[desert gulch]

whatever you can afford

assuming youre playing on like 1440, itll handle any gpu easily

all depends on your budget

but a 12400f and b660 will save some money you could throw into a gpu

it makes more sense for most people imo

[analog pulsar]

It's 6 c and 12 t

[desert gulch]

the 12400f is yeah

12600k has more but those e cores arent real cores, if that makes sense

[analog pulsar]

Would you get the E cores over not having them

[desert gulch]

for gaming? no

not worth the extra cost imo when you can get better value by getting a better gpu

[analog pulsar]

12400F $184
12400 $208

[desert gulch]

yeah id go 12400f unless you do rendering that can use intel's quicksync, or you plan to be without a gpu for a bit

[analog pulsar]

are asrock boards bad

[little osprey]

They’re meh

[desert gulch]

their LGA1700 lower end boards can be

not sure on that specific one

b660 prime d4 is nice for like the same price

[analog pulsar]

its micro ATX wont that look a bit small

[stoic island]

B660 Hdv sucks so I'd extrapolate to ASRock low end Intel boards still all suck

[desert gulch]

mr1 hows this asrock board hold up?

[stoic island]

Don't think bz or hwunboxed went over that board specifically

[analog pulsar]

is it okay to but a aio on a 12400

[desert gulch]

yeah i havent seen any testing on it

[desert gulch]

for value? no.

for looks? sure

its not needed at all, if thats what you mean

[stoic island]

Since Hdv sucks, and we have no extra info, I'll just assume that board sucks

[desert gulch]

same

[analog pulsar]

well i heard EK is good and found this for 162...(cough unlike nzxt $300 AIO)

[jagged ember]

again

[desert gulch]

thats a hard value proposition

[jagged ember]

you don't need an aio for a 12400

[desert gulch]

when a $25 cooler will do great on it

if you really want it for looks, thats something we cant answer

[little osprey]

$15 cooler will work 😂

[analog pulsar]

well would we get a cpu that would utilize i did like having AIO in my pc pretty RGB and didnt block all the view inside case

[desert gulch]

beginning territory for aio is like 12600k thats overclocked

so like 500 ish for a board and cpu

compared to like 350 ish for a 12400f and decent board

[analog pulsar]

so we would have to get a z690 board

[desert gulch]

if you really wanted to take advantage of the 12600k, yea

thats the begginning scenario a aio would even be considered

[analog pulsar]

whats Z and M difference is it just OCing

[desert gulch]

M?

m is micro, like micro atx

you mean B and H?

[analog pulsar]

no like 660M

[desert gulch]

the M just means its smaller than normal

[analog pulsar]

they have B too

[desert gulch]

the B is what matters

but yeah, main difference between B660 and z690 is overclocking

[analog pulsar]

gigabyte has a z690 UD DDR4 for $200

[desert gulch]

UD is nice

Pro A is also a great board

little better than Ud, but not sure on current pricing

[analog pulsar]

what about looking at used product

[analog pulsar]

let me see

is pro A gigabyte

[desert gulch]

MSI

[analog pulsar]

$219

funny enough they next to each other

[desert gulch]

ye

[analog pulsar]

ram

royal

[desert gulch]

spendy

[analog pulsar]

look at the top one

[desert gulch]

still expensive

[analog pulsar]

regular kit for some reason more LOL

[desert gulch]

btw with intel 12th gen boards, make sure to grab a ddr4/d4 version if you buy

[analog pulsar]

i did

[desert gulch]

its kinda easy to mess up and buy the ddr5 version

good

[analog pulsar]

make sure board is DDR4

DDR5 expenzive

storage

should I get 512 ssd boot drive and a 1TB ssd for games

[desert gulch]

id just get a 1tb m.2 drive and see how that works out

[analog pulsar]

well i like to download all my games into pc since i have slow internet i dont have to wait i can just boot them up

GTA 5 takes like 8 hours to download

and MSFS takes 8 hours too maybe

call of duty cold war as well since its a big game

okay case now

a few pop up but i heard many people talk about corsiars 4000D airflow

[little osprey]

4000D airflow good

[strong raft]

This is if you want more than 1TB of total storage, which obviously isn't a ton nowadays. If you think you need to, perhaps just get a 2TB ssd (hynix p31, 970 evo plus, or w/e)

[untold vessel]

@fossil cedar Good Pato I need your help

or honestly anyone's

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali619/p/N82E16883360284?Item=N82E16883360284

Is this a good deal

[desert gulch]

yeah its great

you wont find anything better for 1k

its actually a really solid deal

[untold vessel]

Should I get it, Bryce?

[little osprey]

Pato sleeping

[little osprey]

I say yes

[analog pulsar]

Yea I saw some people recommending that

[untold vessel]

Where?! Nice!

[analog pulsar]

Well someone posted it in general chat and I think it was pato himself lol

[frank stirrup]

yeh

very

[bold prism]

how should i set up 7 fans? i have 3 for intake and 3 for exhaust right now. idk what to do with the last fan?

[ruby sentinel]

Depends on where it is and if you want negative or positive pressure. Totally not talking out my but rn.

[bold prism]

i have 3 on the front and 3 on top

im gonna put the other fan in that 1 slot in the back but idk what to make it as

[potent portal]

You could always leave the rear fan slot empty if you don't want negative pressure, or just run the front fans faster than the others

[bold prism]

ok thanks

[bold prism]

Anyone know why my aio backplat doesn’t fit in the Holes of my motherboard?

It’s slightly short

[frank stirrup]

what aio

what motherboard

[bold prism]

z690 msi edge and arctic freeze II

[bold prism]

Nvm I got it to work

[frigid night]

I'm excited. Just pressed buy on everything except the GPU for now. Hopefully by next week I'll have something up and running. :)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rTxBbK

[fossil cedar]

Nice 💪

[frigid night]

I will not have any internet right away when setting up, so I should download drivers to a USB stick right?

[fossil cedar]

You should be able to use the windows generic wifi drivers

[frigid night]

I don't have internet yet at my place. So I'm going to have to get everything from a coworkers house. Unless I set it up there of course, but I don't wanna impose on them with that.

So I figured I could use their laptop and grab everything I need while I'm there and then do it all at my place.

I'm just not sure what all drivers I'm going to need.

I also need to download win11 to a USB stick.

[fossil cedar]

USB stick would work then, i wok just hotspot your phone tho

[frigid night]

I have a data limit though, but drivers don't take much right?

I guess I may have to take the pc to his house to get all the windows updates then..

Unless the windows 11 installer for the USB has all the latest updates?

[fossil cedar]

Drivers are like 10mb each

Max

[frigid night]

Alright.

What about all the temp monitoring/hardware testing programs?

Hm. The graphics driver for the 12600k is 500mb

[fossil cedar]

Yeah you should be able to use the windows generic one for a while tho

Hwinfo 64 for temp monitoring

It's like8mb

[frigid night]

I just downloaded it to my phone.

Its on my SD card so I can just transfer it later.

The graphics driver anyways

Not even sure what all drivers I honestly need.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/134589/intel-core-i512600k-processor-20m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz/downloads.html

[fossil cedar]

Graphics
Wifi
Chipset
Audio
Although Intel's driver auto updater thing should grab all them tbf, granted it needs internet

[frigid night]

Alright. I suppose I'll just get it all put together and see what it wants to do. Will the pc automatically use the igpu when I go to install windows?

[fossil cedar]

it has to lol

what gpu is used depends on what the display is plugged into

mobo = igpu

dgpu = well dgpu

[frigid night]

Gotcha. I just wanna make sure there isn't something I'm missing. Thank you :)

[untold vessel]

Guys, how much RAM should I download to play 4K minesweeper?

[fossil cedar]

yes

[mossy venture]

prolly around 2terabytes

[frigid night]

2 pterodactyl bites.

[frank stirrup]

you need 2 epyc 7763, 2 a1000s and 2TB ram

to get 30fps playable

[deep spruce]

Witch is Better Arctic Silver MK-4 Thermal Compound or Arctic MK-5 Thermal Compound

[little osprey]

Not sure but i think both are good

[tight sorrel]

thats the good sh... that is

[little osprey]

i have a tube of mx5

[fossil cedar]

Both good, mx5 but get whichever is cheaper

[deep spruce]

Ok I think I'm gonna stick with my MK-4 not just cause of cost but the time it take for the MK-5 to cure for 200 hours an the MK-4 doesn't

[little osprey]

?

[frank stirrup]

mk 4 and mk 5 arent thermal pastes that exist

mx 4 and mx 5 do

[little osprey]

I just assumed they’re talking about mx4 and mx5

unless they’re talking about like a car or something that’s a different story

[frank stirrup]

also both have a 50-200 hour cure time

[deep spruce]

LOL I did a typeo

[little osprey]

What’s a cure time ❓

Is it not fully effective until past 200 hours

[frank stirrup]

50-200 hours

depends on various factors

is pretty normal

[deep spruce]

The MX-5 takes a potential 200 hours and several thermal cycles to achieve maximum particle to particle thermal conduction, and curing is necessary to do that.

The MX-4 doesn't an this last 8 years +

[frank stirrup]

the mx4 has the same cure time as the mx5

[deep spruce]

I just look it up an it doesn't

[frank stirrup]

and any paste can last 8+ years it just stops being effective after a while

[frank stirrup]

It does

50-200 hour cure time exactly like the mx5

mx5>mx4

[deep spruce]

Im not gonna fight

[frank stirrup]

but difference between the 2 is small

[little osprey]

Ay bruh if you don’t think what rawr is saying is true just get whichever

It’s not that big of a deal they’re both great thermal paste solutions

[frank stirrup]

yeah i mean dont come looking for opinions and then say lol nope ur wrong

[little osprey]

Lol

[frank stirrup]

thats just disrespecting out time tbh

the mx4 does seem to cure much faster than the mx5

[deep spruce]

I wasnt Disrespecting I was shareing the info about the 2 but ok

[frank stirrup]

but it still does have a cure time

but yeah get the cheaper one

[little osprey]

I think maybe mx5 has longer cure time because it’s more wet

Idk

[fossil cedar]

mx5 is more sticky

[frank stirrup]

mx4 is more watery

[tight sorrel]

mx4 is less sticky

mx5 is less watery

[little osprey]

Damn what

i thought mx5 was wet

Mx4 must be a tube of water 😂

[fossil cedar]

nuh uh

mx5 is kinda awkward to spread

[little osprey]

Yeah i had a lot of trouble with it

[frank stirrup]

mx4 spreads easy

[little osprey]

It kinda just got stuck and wouldn’t move

[frank stirrup]

i used a set square

to spread

[fossil cedar]

yeah thats why i got mx5 tube with the spreader

[frank stirrup]

weak

[little osprey]

I got the spreader too

[frank stirrup]

use a set square

[little osprey]

Maybe i didn’t do it right 😵‍💫

Whatever my temps dropped so it just have worked

[little osprey]

Lmao

I mean it works

[frank stirrup]

good spread

[mossy venture]

use a butter knife

or your toungue

[fossil cedar]

god no

conductive much

[mossy venture]

was a joke

[frank stirrup]

Tried this

[mossy venture]

did it work?

[frank stirrup]

i am addicted to consuming thermal paste because of it

[mossy venture]

as you should be

[tight sorrel]

use your second head, like god intended

[mossy venture]

school internet fun

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/delicious-yummy-wow-tasty-vince-gif-24052077

[mossy venture]

cant see half the emotes

[fossil cedar]

lol

rawr

too far

[frank stirrup]

Oh wait

wegg

[tight sorrel]

wtf?

[frank stirrup]

i forgor

me apologies

[tight sorrel]

did that bott just remove a comment that had the word "pants"?

[fossil cedar]

[frank stirrup]

huh

what are pants

[fossil cedar]

the pato did

[mossy venture]

theyre a social construct

[frank stirrup]

funny word

[frank stirrup]

so the bot

[mossy venture]

we should all stop wearing pants

[frank stirrup]

i agree

[fossil cedar]

i can neither confirm nor deny this statement

[tight sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/lifes-too-short-winnie-the-pooh-pants-gif-4000773

[mossy venture]

rawr is your name more blue now or is it my brightness

[frank stirrup]

its poipol

[mossy venture]

my school implemented a no phone policy so im currently on my laptop

with brightness very low so battery lasts

i definitely shoulda got smthn without a dgpu

battery life is like 3.5hrs not gaming

maybe 4

[fossil cedar]

oof

undervolt if you can

[frank stirrup]

dont eat thermal paste guys

it taste bad

[mossy venture]

unfortunately its locked

might make a post to hws or smthn looking for a trade once 6600h laptops are out

[fossil cedar]

might be a good shout

[fossil cedar]

damnm, can you disable gpu when not using it btw? like turn power profile on balanced or battery saver should do ti

[mossy venture]

maybe 12th gen, though igpus wont be much better than 10th gen which is a big downside

[mossy venture]

doesnt fully disable it

[frank stirrup]

open up the laptop and desolder gpu

[mossy venture]

or the battery just isnt great, and dies that fast with gpu disabled

6600h 6600m laptop when

[bold prism]

Do I get windows 10 or 11 and does anyone know where I can get it for a good price?

[potent portal]

I only recommend 11 if you have a 12th gen intel K processor with e-cores. Unless you just want to try it out and find which of the dozens of bugs affect you.

[bold prism]

I have a 12th gen K. The bugs won’t effect my pc then?

[frank stirrup]

TPM bad

[frank stirrup]

gains>losses

[potent portal]

There's still bugs, but that's better than not being able to use the processor at all, or at least without random crashes and awful performance

[mossy venture]

I am hating windows 11

My apps randomly partially uninstall/corrupt, and then I can't even uninstall them unless I delete every individual folder

I know it isn't the ssd

[potent portal]

Linux > windows

[frank stirrup]

take it back

bad

i windows 11 shill

[mossy venture]

It's been giving me so many issues

I'm bouta install 10 to my laptop

[potent portal]

I'm currently triple booting lol
Linux, 10, 11

[frank stirrup]

I had 5 oses installed at one point

[bold prism]

You guys know what’s a good website to buy the windows?

[mossy venture]

Im triple booting too: left boot right boot windows 10

[frank stirrup]

macos, win 11, win 10, elementary os and mint

[potent portal]

There's lots of places we can't really name here because they're technically grey market. Often bought with stolen money, etc.
But you do get a working key

[bold prism]

Ok

[frank stirrup]

ebay

is all we can say

[potent portal]

We can also say that DMs can't be moderated if someone wants to give you a link

[fossil cedar]

Btw 12600k and up even non k's above that have e cores

[fossil cedar]

Then install win 10

[obsidian wigeon]

That's pretty sad

I get no glitches with win 11

Been using it for half a year by now, I think

[potent portal]

You're one of the lucky few then

I lost a ton of performance related to the Ryzen CPU swap issue

Which is why I still have 10, as a bench OS

[fossil cedar]

Also audio interface from mobo 3.5" jack

Well tbf tpm related

But requirement for win 10

Still getting a tad bit of it but it was unusable with tpm on

Had to move to front panel audio

[obsidian wigeon]

ye im pretty lucky

not so lucky with win 10 back in 2015 tho

that thing was so glitchy

[potent portal]

I can't even play ESO at more than 60 fps on dlss performance mode, averaging closer to 40 in trials

And that's with a 5800X

[obsidian wigeon]

oof

[frank stirrup]

falcie

switch off tpm

in bios

[potent portal]

I did

☠️

[frank stirrup]

oh even after

thats a fat rip

[potent portal]

This is the issue https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400

M$ claims it's fixed and that's kinda true but as soon as you swap CPUs the issue comes back

And the only way to fix it then is a clean install

[wooden quartz]

Hey guys

So I have a question I ram a nova bench on my pc it looks like my cpu not running at its fullest help

[frank stirrup]

run something like passmark or cinebench

idk about novabench

[earnest olive]

your score seems normal

[wooden quartz]

I downloaded cinebench and it wanted me to pay

[earnest olive]

...what

where did you download it from lmao

cinebench has always been free

[frank stirrup]

yep

[earnest olive]

even for commercial use

[wooden quartz]

Matrix I think

[earnest olive]

never heard of it

download it from maxon

[frank stirrup]

https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-r23-downloads

[wooden quartz]

That’s where I got from.. it said make a profile and do a week free tryout

[earnest olive]

...?

what

profile...? on cinebench...?

i don't see anything about profiles

[wooden quartz]

I Re-download it

[frank stirrup]

you probaly tried to buy another of their products

cinebench is 100% free

[potent portal]

The do have a ton of different programs

[wooden quartz]

Maybe so

Okay thanks guys just trying to get the best out of my pc

Would a ryzen 4 4600G be better for gaming?

[potent portal]

Better than what?

That 3500 in your earlier screenshot?

If so then yes* but just barely

[frank stirrup]

tbh id look at a gpu upgrade

then cpu/ram depending on the board

[potent portal]

That's usually the most effective upgrade path yeah

[frank stirrup]

especially on an rx570 + r5 3500 and 3000mts ram

nvm

thats not the best upgrade path

get an ssd first

and disable tpm in the bios

[mossy venture]

Mobo could prolly support a 5600x with no oc, as long as it isn't a a320

Wait no it's an an.hp mobo isn't it

3500 is hp oem right?

[wooden quartz]

I’m just trying to game is all the 570 was a upgrade from what I hade it was a 1030

It is a hp omen

[mossy venture]

Mmm

Honestly might be better off slowly rebuilding

I doubt the psu would support much of a gpu upgrade, the mobo has to be changed if you swap cases and vice versa, the motherboard won't support much of a cpu upgrade, the ram is probably 3200c22

[wooden quartz]

This is a old picture

I’ve added a stick of ram and a fan on the bottom along with upgrade the gpu

[mossy venture]

Do you know the wattage of the psu?

Also model of mobo?

[wooden quartz]

The psu is 500w 80 sires

[mossy venture]

Prolly c tier, but it should be fine for a 3060 ti with an i5 or r5

[fossil cedar]

80 is not a series btw 80+ is an efficiency rating from AC to DC conversion

[potent portal]

If you have a hp asset tag with the model number and everything we can pull up all the info we need from that

[wooden quartz]

HP OMEN Obelisk 875 Series 875-0014 Edoras Motherboard L23867-001 L23867-601

[mossy venture]

Only showing me z370s

Visually they're identical

[wooden quartz]

Dose this help

[fossil cedar]

can you send this bit

[potent portal]

Looks like the model should be 875-0018 for the ryzen 3500/1650 model

B450 mobo

And it's actually claiming to be micro ATX standard, that's a nice surprise

It also doesn't look like they ever updated the agesa code and it doesn't support anything newer than the 3000 series, with the 3700X being the highest supported model

[hasty grail]

P8H61-M LX3 PLUS R2.0 can this motherboard take https://www.ebay.com/itm/325073333947?hash=item4bafe16ebb%3Ag%3AxDIAAOSw8uNiGqhA&LH_BIN=1#vi-desc-maincntr this graphics card?

[fossil cedar]

yes but it would be a massive downgrade

[earnest olive]

massive downgrade from what?

[little osprey]

Oh god

Hp upgrading

[desert gulch]

It's an asussy board

[little osprey]

Mines is some stupid custom size

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06432435

[desert gulch]

What's it in rn?

[wooden quartz]

@potent portal

[desert gulch]

Looks like best case scenario, that baord has a 3770k

[wooden quartz]

It has a ryzen 5 3600

[desert gulch]

I'm asking the clash royale guy

[wooden quartz]

Oh sorry

[fossil cedar]

1650

[desert gulch]

What CPU he got?

It's an old board lol

He's looking at 2-3 gen intel

[potent portal]

Yay for OEM power supplies
It's a lite-on SFF power supply, that much is known

Looks to be standard form factor at least, another nice surprise

Flex ITX

Ah it's a cooler master, now we're getting somewhere

[frank stirrup]

3500 is what u have

[wooden quartz]

Yea that’s correct

[fossil cedar]

ohhh wait i realised it was 2 different people nvm

[wooden quartz]

Yeah I haven’t done much upgrades to the pc

[desert gulch]

He's probably on igp

Best case is 3770k

[fossil cedar]

yeah i didnt realise it was a different person

[desert gulch]

And a 680ti would absolutely destroy a 3770k (hd4000)

Ye

Oh wait 650ti

Still would be a ton better

[teal oar]

I’m not very pc smart so if I had a t force 16gb ram, asus prime B560M mb,nzxt kraken x63, intel core i5-11400F, 1tb ssd and a 3050 what would be a good power supply for that?

[fossil cedar]

an aio is a waste of money for that cpu, you would be far better off getting a 30$ cooler or something or the stock cooler + bit more money for a 6600xt

[earnest olive]

(unless you need nvidia features)

either way, https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vcZzK8/super-flower-legion-gx-pro-650-w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-650p14xe this would be absolutely plenty

[slender sparrow]

why wont my computert recgonize m.2 ssd

[fossil cedar]

as in, inside windows? did you initialise it?

[little osprey]

#building-and-recc-chat

[compact jackal]

i can’t send pics

[little osprey]

incoming

[compact jackal]

ok thanks

can anyone tell me what the best deal is?

[fossil cedar]

you dont need pics lol links are a thing

[little osprey]

Can’t send those either

But anyways

what’s your budget?

[compact jackal]

1200-1500

[fossil cedar]

@compact jackal if you dont mind open box https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali565-master/p/N82E16883360195R

if you dont want open box
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali565/p/N82E16883360195

[compact jackal]

well

i already saw all those and some told me that

my first option is better than those

all i really need is a new case and cpu cooler

[fossil cedar]

no its not, one i linked is a better case and apart from that the same

[compact jackal]

park

pato

[fossil cedar]

yes

[little osprey]

Park

They’re deciding on these two now

I said 1,299 for value /bang for your buck and the top one for more performance but with the open box risk

really it’s a personal decision and a $200 difference

[fossil cedar]

mans literally threw my advice out the window lmao

[lavish chasm]

[little osprey]

if your advice isnt x79 then it SUCKS

[earnest olive]

i hate it when people ask questions and then ignore the answer

like... why ask

[potent portal]

They want to be validated

[little osprey]

that reminds me

what should i use besides chrome remote desktop to remote into my server that's running windows 🗿

[mossy venture]

if i understand this question right, parsec

if not ive no clue

[fossil cedar]

if you want an echo chamber go to facebook 😤

[mossy venture]

reddit works too

[fossil cedar]

no it was that mesh good and 1100 open box 3060 ti prebuilt is

[little osprey]

👀

[little osprey]

yea you understood the question right

i had never heard of parsec so ill look into it, thanks

nice almost done

[stoic island]

Parsec is nice

[little osprey]

yea im trying it out rn

[desert gulch]

I love feeling good about my gpu

[little osprey]

i really wanna upgrade my gpu already, but cant for obvious reasons

i also need a new monitor

m27q 🤓

[jagged ember]

parsec is great

I use it every day lol

either to remote onto my desktop or to use as a third monitor

[rich stratus]

I am thinking of using a i5 10400f and rtx 3050, should I try to upgrade the cpu and downgrade the gpu a bit?

[stoic island]

I'd rather upgrade the GPU...?

[mossy venture]

id do a 12100f build if you havent bought the cpu or mobo yet, and upgrade the gpu

they game similarly and 12100f is cheaper (tho ig bad availability)

@rich stratus whats your total budget

[rich stratus]

900$

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yps29r

that and whatever gpu you can get in budget

[little osprey]

this psu ok?

its rated C on psu tier list

[mossy venture]

no

not at all

not unless doing an igpu build

or a pcie powered gpu

[desert gulch]

Just grab a cx550f

[desert gulch]

Or that

Cx550f was a little cheaper tho iirc

You just get a few less watts

[little osprey]

Nah its not showin up for cheaper

$64.98

[desert gulch]

Oh promo must've ended

Rip

[little osprey]

Ye

[mossy venture]

wait, dont get the case in that build

[rich stratus]

Ok

[pearl mist]

Help, I have a school assignment to build a video editing pc with a budget of $5250 AUD

With a shipping of $15 aud for every website

[earnest olive]

what school do you go to? can i enroll?

[little osprey]

Me 2

Idrk australian market so i’m not really sure

[pearl mist]

It’s not real it’s just a project

[earnest olive]

so you're literally just asking us to do your homework for you lol

have you considered doing it

[jade pelican]

hi, sorry if this is the wrong chat
after I turn off my pc for more than a couple of hours, the cpu fan won't start to spin until i spin it manually and it starts ramping up speed, and displayport won't work until i plug in hdmi first then plug dp in again. did I somehow break them?

[bold prism]

Guys does the tube orientation work for the aio?

Cause wasn’t there a correct way to do it for the front mount so idk if there’s a correct way for the top mount

[earnest olive]

that's perfect

better than front mount in fact

[bold prism]

Ok thanks

[viral ore]

what direction are the fans facing tho

ur gonna want the sticker facing up

so you shouldnt be able to see it

[forest sky]

"8/12 x unc 6-32x30mm fan screws i need these but cant find them anyone have any ideas i dont wanna get them wrong because it will mess up my aio

[bold prism]

Soooo… I messed up

It came with the fans attached like that so I thought it would be fine

[little osprey]

Rip unmount and flip the fans then

or else it’s not very effective

[bold prism]

Damn

The radiator is fine right? I just gotta flip the fans

[teal oar]

Alr thanks but what about the power supply someone told me that a 650W would be good but idk

[compact jackal]

sorry bro

[earnest olive]

wait which sticker are we talking about?

his fans look correct to me for exhaust

am i missing something?

[viral ore]

yeah those look correct

[compact jackal]

bruh someone bought the 3070 pc

rip

[bold prism]

So For exhaust it’s correct?

[viral ore]

yes. i should have explained better

[compact jackal]

cameron

[little osprey]

Yea i saw rip

[bold prism]

Ok thanks

[compact jackal]

yeah but uh can i dm you something

[little osprey]

Sure

[bold prism]

So is this fan exhaust too? It’s ok the back

[earnest olive]

yes

that is exhaust

[bold prism]

Are those 2 next to the 3 pin cpu fan also for cpu fans?

Cause I don’t have a cable that goes in the 3 pin

[little osprey]

i’ve never seen that cpu fan pin layout i can’t help sorry

[bold prism]

I’m confused cause there’s no label on it

And the only spot where it’s labeled cpu fan is that 3 pin thing

[south kite]

They just couldn’t print it underneath

The fan header on left is CPU right is pump

[bold prism]

What’s a pump fan used for?

I don’t think I have a cable for that

[south kite]

Pump (AIO)

If you have an AIO then plug the cable from@it to the pump

[bold prism]

Ok

Do you happen to know if gpu anti sag is necessary?

[south kite]

What GPU?

[bold prism]

3070 give me a sec for which specific one

[south kite]

Not necessary but it’ll probably help keep it straighter aesthetically

[bold prism]

Ok thanks

[little osprey]

^

Just looks nicer

your card shouldn’t need a sag bracket unless it’s a chonker and or triple fan

[earnest olive]

some cards can get cooling benefit from them

[little osprey]

aka your card

which is rather odd bc i have never heard of that working before

[desert gulch]

Heavy cards didn't use to exist like this

These damn cards get heavier and heavier

[earnest olive]

lol I've heard of some 3090 FEs getting double digit temp drops from a support bracket

the worst case was 21C

[desert gulch]

Sheesh

[earnest olive]

I got 1.5C from tightening my bracket

which means the 3090 strix cooler is very well designed (I'd hope so for that msrp), it's just so heavy

[desert gulch]

I got 3c overall with my 2 fan 5700xt and a Lego support

[little osprey]

i dont have a single clue how that works other than the heatsink pressing harder on the cooler

[earnest olive]

that's exactly it lol

[little osprey]

wait, that made no sense.

what.

[earnest olive]

helps increase mounting pressure from the other side

[desert gulch]

Heatsink presses harder onto the die

[little osprey]

yes thats what i was trying to say

[earnest olive]

screws are basically holding the cooler up

[little osprey]

back to my calc hw

[earnest olive]

with a tight support bracket you're instead making a force sandwich

instead of one direction

with a well designed card the gain shouldn't be large because the screws should have the majority of the force

but with a poorly designed card you can get huge temp difference if it was getting bad mounting pressure under its own weight

[fossil cedar]

650w is enough for a 3070 ti, so you'll be fine

[teal oar]

Also what could I upgrade my cpu to? That is not to expensive but can run games decent

And I also have a 3050 is 650w still good or to much

[fossil cedar]

I'd actually save money and go 10400f and see if that can get you a better gpu, 650w is the sweet spot imo, but if you're in the US and budget is ~1k prebuilts prices can't be beaten

[fossil cedar]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali614/p/N82E16883360279

id go for that

[analog hearth]

so demonmit is just flexing all his builds and here I can with just two PCs

[fossil cedar]

Well yes but he sells them

[analog hearth]

oh bruh

[sharp temple]

Any waterblocks for an evga 3060?

[little osprey]

idk you shouldn’t need one tho

Lol

[potent portal]

A lot of the mid and low end models like the 3060 don't get blocks made because they're not as hot

[earnest olive]

why would you buy a water block for a 3060 when you could just buy a 3080ti with the same money you'd spend on your loop

[little osprey]

Yes ^

No need to put a custom loop on a 3060

Passive is fine

[grizzled mural]

@austere condor what monitor mount is that? Looks sick

[little osprey]

Custom made

think he just got some material from a hardware store and built everything himself

[austere condor]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BT7YF6D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

@grizzled mural

[little osprey]

O u bought the mount

[untold vessel]

[Serious] Is it possible to build a PC that can play games in 1080p at ~30-60fps for $300-$400?

[desert gulch]

No

[mossy venture]

depends on the games

used 10100 build possible

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kJp7W4 smthn like this

that doesnt have a case, keep in mind

could buy everything used, and then try for a low end gpu

[fossil cedar]

Depends what games, a ultra low everything maybe

[desert gulch]

Could cut down PSU costs and maybe fit in a case

[mossy venture]

yeah tru

i dont know any good cases in stock rn

[desert gulch]

Segotep gpp, cx, cxf all should be cheaper

[mossy venture]

so i didnt put one in

[desert gulch]

Yea

[mossy venture]

bitfenix nova is good, but its oos rn

well

cheapest is 140 lol

[desert gulch]

xD

ED actually looks to be the best value for a PSU for that thing

I'd throw it in

[mossy venture]

ED?

[desert gulch]

ED's nutz

[mossy venture]

pain

[desert gulch]

This is too easy

Smh

[stoic island]

Bruh

But anyways Bitfenix formula gold might still be good pricing

[desert gulch]

Haven't seen it for good

Gpp 600 is like $50

Which is easily easily good for a igpu build

[stoic island]

Oh price went up

[mossy venture]

yeah unfortunately

[fleet pagoda]

Does it matter which LGA 1700 bracket i order off amazon or do i have to get it from nzxt

[mossy venture]

pretty sure its cooler specific

could be wrong tho

i dont know much about them

[fossil cedar]

segotep gp is 50$ but the jump from C to A tier is worth 15$ - granted not for an igpu build unless they plan to add gpu soon

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[fossil cedar]

has to be cooler specific

[desert gulch]

Gpp is good for igpu build

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tN2vnt this all you got, it will maybe

but going used for parts if possible is the only way to improve really

[fleet pagoda]

Know where i can buy one for a nzxt x63

[fossil cedar]

i wouldnt buy an nzxt aio in the first place, meh and overpriced

[fleet pagoda]

Its to late

I already have it

[fossil cedar]

arctic liquid freezer iior ek rgb aio are far superior and cheaper

for how long?

[fleet pagoda]

Just got it today and i wanna keep it bc yk it looks cool

[fossil cedar]

id send it back but idk search nzxt x63 lga 1700 on amazon/newegg and see if that works assuming it didnt come with the bracket

if not contact nzxt

[fleet pagoda]

I already contacted them they will send a free one but i didnt wanna wait for a response lmao im impatient

[jagged ember]

I'd really rather get an arctic liquid freezer

nzxt is overpriced and performs worse

[formal girder]

Arctic honestly needs to advertise their LF2 more especially with new alder lake cpus cause if it can keep a 12700K under 100% load for hours and maintain a temp under 50°C then it can handle a 12900K with no problem

[forest sky]

The Asus Ryujin 2 is also awesome I’m idling at 19-18C and 50C while playing my most intense games like apex at max 240fps

[frank stirrup]

Return cooler

Its garbo

Price to perf that is

[forest sky]

Under 100% load like cinebench I see 80-79C

[fossil cedar]

they do especailly on GN

[formal girder]

Oh

[forest sky]

@formal girder do you have ddr5?

[formal girder]

Haven't seen it but I do thank you very much still to this day for recommending it to me

No

Ddr4

[forest sky]

Ok because If that was ddr5 it would cost over 3K

For just ram

[formal girder]

I already spent $600 on this ram and ain't finna spend extra for ram that won't really give me that boost for it's cost

[forest sky]

Yeah true

I have it and it’s ok I just couldn’t use the xmp untill I went to windows 11

[formal girder]

Also how much did that Asus Ryujin 2 cost?

[forest sky]

400 Canadian

[formal girder]

[forest sky]

Yeah

[fossil cedar]

youre very welcome

[forest sky]

It had a screen like 4 inches on it

[formal girder]

100 for the actual cooler 300 for the tiny 4 inch screen

[forest sky]

Well the noctuna fans costed 120

[formal girder]

I paid $110 usd for my LF2 and it's a 360mm and ngl I'd suggest it because it's price is amazing and the performance is beyond what most people actually need

[forest sky]

And I can put Shrek on my computer I see this as a win

[fossil cedar]

cuz they overpriced and its more like 60$

[forest sky]

I’m trying to do a push/pull fans on both sides of the rad

[formal girder]

Actually how well would a Ryujin 2 work if you put Arctic p12 on the rads

[fossil cedar]

not much point - proved by GN

[fossil cedar]

bout the same lol - maybe a bit better

[formal girder]

Lol arctic living up to the name

[forest sky]

The Asus aio has a mini fan on top of the head spreader

[fossil cedar]

so does the arctic lol

[forest sky]

It’s like 80mm

It’s not small

[fossil cedar]

^

[forest sky]

What’s the arctic one called

[fossil cedar]

arctic liquid freezer

ii

[formal girder]

top of the line for the best price and compatible with LGA 1700 wooo

[forest sky]

It looks funny

[formal girder]

It's a thiccc boi but it does it's job very well

And they rgb versions as well

[little osprey]

Does artic make 240 mm aio

[formal girder]

Yes

The LF2 240mm

Iirc they have 120mm 240mm 280mm and 360mm

[little osprey]

Should I watercool a 5600g 😂

[forest sky]

Air cooling an 12900k would be a nightmare

[formal girder]

Cwispy

[forest sky]

Anyone here hear about the 850w 4090ti

[fossil cedar]

just 4090 iirc

[fossil cedar]

and 420mm

[fossil cedar]

[formal girder]

Since when?

So 3 140mm fans neat

[fossil cedar]

yeah, a while tbh

[formal girder]

Huh didn't know that but I don't need it

[pale leaf]

How much should one expect to spend for a solid wood desk top? Larger size of 72x30ish

[potent portal]

Depends on the wood type, thickness, and the density

[forest sky]

Umm it really depends on the type of wood

Like around 300-400 I would say with current wood price’s

[formal girder]

300-400 what

If I wanted a desk so bad I'll just make my own with custom design cheaper than that

[potent portal]

There's a wood shortage dude, even plywood is like $50 a sheet

The particle board I needed for a project was $25

[formal girder]

Wood shortage since when

[little osprey]

for a while iirc

at least here wood has been super expensive

[potent portal]

Since the whole world shut down, and demand for wood shot up because of home projects paired with reduced supply and burning forests

[formal girder]

wood prices here are normal

But I haven't checked in over 2 months

[potent portal]

4ftx8ftx3/4 inch oak plywood is $75

[little osprey]

I never buy wood but i see the prices at home depot

[formal girder]

I'll check next week in my area

[strong raft]

30x80ish solid core door slab could be had for about $100. It's around 1.25" thick I think. If you wanted, search hardwood interior slab door & obviously disregard any that say "hollow".

[dusky hearth]

are doors really cheaper than a piece of wood for a desk

[jagged ember]

time to buy door for desk

dosk

[strong raft]

Yes, cheaper than butcher block and various other options. Thick "real" wood is also obviously much more sag resistant than most ~ .75" crap. 👍

[vague oracle]

I remember trying to get a good piece of wood for a guitar build and it cost me like $750 instead of $400 like it normally shouldve

[brittle copper]

I need someone to look at my build and tell me what to upgrade

[untold vessel]

Guys

What is the most important thing in ram? Is it Cas Latency? Mhz? What should I rather get for the fastest PC possible? 16 GB of 4000mhz CL16 RAM. or 16 GB of 3600mhz CL14 RAM?

[south kite]

Speed and latency are both important

[untold vessel]

Yes, but what is the most important

[south kite]

They are equally important. If you use pcpartpicker it will show you the first word latency which takes both into consideration

[south kite]

Link your build

[potent portal]

What processor do you have?

Ryzen needs to take into account the infinity fabric so the ideal speed is between 3600 and 3800.
Intel is different, you can push higher numbers without much penalty.

[formal girder]

But tighter cl is better with Intel

[potent portal]

True. 3600 c14 is still better than 4000 c16 for example, but not by much.

[little osprey]

Something i just recently learned ^

[untold vessel]

i5-11400F, getting whichever i5-13600K something something whenever it comes out

[potent portal]

Ok so here's a weird thing to note for you. 4000 speed memory is cheaper than 3600 typically, comparing the same models. There's more demand for 3600 because ryzen.

Another thing to note is intel is trying to make it so 13th gen is ddr5 only

[brittle copper]

Link?

I got pics

And I can list out

[formal girder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ @brittle copper you can use this to link your build

[brittle copper]

How do I add two GPUs?

[potent portal]

Out of curiosity, why do you have 2 at all?

I don't think pcpp lets you, but we can just take note of that

[brittle copper]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vJqGGL @south kite

[potent portal]

No SSD?

[formal girder]

no cooler?

[viral ore]

no balls?

[desert gulch]

No life?

[strong raft]

https://tenor.com/view/no-balls-dukes-talking-gif-15555192

[brittle copper]

Some OEM laptop one, needs to be replaced

[brittle copper]

I changed it a lot. The closest thing you could call it would be a push-pull Corsair H170i

Looks like this

That giant ass “black box” is the cooler

[strong raft]

Oh we know what a radiator is, haha. At least psu is getting nice warm air from the case. I wish they made the top perforated and allow psu fan to face upwards. Good setup though, even w/ the excessiveness of a 2nd gpu in these days.

[brittle copper]

This might be easier to see

[brittle copper]

They render substantially faster an the 3090 for $100 cheaper so I just went with it

It’s like night and day

[strong raft]

Ah, used for "work".

[frank stirrup]

why no cooler for that 12900k

[strong raft]

he has a liquid freezer 2, just look at the pic...

[frank stirrup]

oh forgor to add in list then?

[still roost]

Salam#6239 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[strong raft]

right, so hopefully there's an ssd in there someone.

[brittle copper]

Oh woops

It’s not for work

I just make some stuff in blender throw it to cura and print them

I do mine on it sometimes too

Although the fan noise bugs me

Been trying to get redshift to run

Lots of problems

[strong raft]

when mining, really should undervolt and/or downclock. mining doesn't depend on the core all that much.

[brittle copper]

I swapped out the 3 stock fans with six RGB fans

So I wasnt sure how to represent that

Push pull people

[brittle copper]

-502 on core 68 on limit and +1200 on memory

I know what I’m doing

[frank stirrup]

by adding in the fans and the cooler

but yeah what fans u use?

[brittle copper]

Some argb P14s I found on the arctic website

[frank stirrup]

oh nice

[brittle copper]

Ah

Ya know, the craziest part about all of this is even with this insane cooling config, my 12900K still goes to 90 C during a fitgirl installation

Around the 250W mark according to HWINFO64

[frank stirrup]

This isnt something thats ok to talk about here

since its well, piracy

[brittle copper]

Oh my bad, I thought all pc gamers did it

[frank stirrup]

no

piracy is piracy

[brittle copper]

Yes, the floor is made of floor

[frank stirrup]

also maybe you should consider spending less money on ur pc and actually supporting devs

since they work hard on games

[little osprey]

Lmfao 2x 3080

[brittle copper]

Oh I do

[frank stirrup]

imagine being enough of a cheapskate to buy 2 3080s and a 12900k but not being able to buy 30$ games

[brittle copper]

I only pirate games I’ve already payed for on other platforms or games I’m modding

[frank stirrup]

kinda sad bro

ngl

[brittle copper]

I’m guessing you’ve never used mods before?

[potent portal]

Let's drop the piracy talk before someone gets banned

[frank stirrup]

^^^^^

also mods run on steam versions of most games very well and the community marketplace thing makes it easier

[brittle copper]

You’re missing the point entirely

Jesus Christ

When you have a game of 138 mods active and the next update/patch breaks half of them, then you and I can talk

[frank stirrup]

disable auto update

lol

[potent portal]

Skyrim problems

[brittle copper]

Not enough

[potent portal]

But yeah there's ways to bypass the updates

[potent portal]

If you launch skyrim through your mod manager or directly instead of through the launcher and steam it doesn't update

[frank stirrup]

Piracy is not the answer lol

dont be a cheapskate on games that cost a small fraction of what u spent on the pc\

[brittle copper]

which manager do you use?

[frank stirrup]

and if u cant afford a game dont play it

[frank stirrup]

nexus im guessing

[brittle copper]

Stop talking about piracy before we get banned

[frank stirrup]

Oh i wont

get banned that is

since im not promoting it

[brittle copper]

But you are perpetuating this conversation

[frank stirrup]

[brittle copper]

Also do keep in mind I just brought up a process by name that increased my power limit to 250Ws

Not trying to “promote” anything

Just trying to cool a hot processor

[strong raft]

It's pretty common knowledge the 12900 runs hot. Also sort of funny many gpus can pull 250W+ but stay under 80c. 90c on the cpu isn't throttling, but deffo higher than I'd ever like to see.

[brittle copper]

The sad part is my room was cold that day

It’s gone up to 96-98 before

[strong raft]

[brittle copper]

I heard there’s a socket mod one can do to push the ILM up to lessen the mounting pressure