building-and-recc-chat

[uneven gulch]

But that isnt a 3060 build

[frank stirrup]

its that easy

[uneven gulch]

Im confused af

[zenith ore]

sorry i confused myself lmao

let me make a build rq

[uneven gulch]

Oh

[mild roost]

Can I get some help. My pc was running fine. And then it crashed. And now I am getting a white VGA light, no monitor display, no spinning fans in gpu. I tried taking out gpu, cmos reset, reset, going to one stick of ram, checking cables plugged in right. I am getting power to all components tho even gpu. Any other suggestions?

[earnest olive]

you really just reposted that after ignoring my question

lmao

[mild roost]

Ohh, thought you were talking about the other guy lol

[earnest olive]

so are you going to answer it

it sounds like a gpu failure to me

[mild roost]

It’s brand new. It’s a 3060, got it like 6 months ago

[earnest olive]

any lights on the gpu?

[mild roost]

The fans do run in the beginning then stop

[earnest olive]

okay, that sounds like it's just going into fan stop mode

[mild roost]

Yea rgb running fine

[frank stirrup]

what cpu u got?

[earnest olive]

any way you can plug it into another pc? borrow a friend's?

[mild roost]

I got a ryzen 7 3700x

[frank stirrup]

this then

[mild roost]

No, don’t have any pc buddies by.

[earnest olive]

try warranty then

[zenith ore]

do u have a spare motherboard?

or CPU

[frank stirrup]

hmmm what about cpu

[mild roost]

No, I don’t have really anything else to test. I got an old pc but it’s way out of date and won’t even work with the parts.

[frank stirrup]

not gonna do anything without one of those

same for cpu

[frank stirrup]

it might actually

what u got in it

[mild roost]

My friend says that it might be my driver.

[zenith ore]

have u tried booting windows in safe mode?

if thats the case it would work fine

[mild roost]

My old pc? If so, then it’s an old prebuilt with like a motherboard only supporting ddr3, and I don’t even know the gpu or cpu. I think it’s a ryzen 3

[mild roost]

How would you go about that?

[frank stirrup]

thats fine

[zenith ore]

are u on 10 or 11 @mild roost

[frank stirrup]

see if it boots

[fossil cedar]

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/ConfigureView?langId=-1&storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&catEntryId=3074457345619965322&urlLangId=&quantity=1&jumpid=ma_hp-gaming_product-tile_desktops_13_3v2z3av-1_hp-pavilion-gaming-d
With the 1660 super upgrade and this ram
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ckJgXL/team-t-create-classic-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl22-memory-ttccd416g3200hc22dc01

[frank stirrup]

sir he cant boot to the bios

[zenith ore]

right

[frank stirrup]

how is any os gonna initialise

[fossil cedar]

And whatever storage a 2tb hdd for 50$ or something

[mild roost]

I’m on 10. My hdd is from my old pc.

[zenith ore]

ya try swapping it into the old pc and see if it works

[mild roost]

Yea I wish I could but AMD says nope.

[frank stirrup]

ignore marraca tbh

see if ur old pc still boots

if it does, test the gpu in there

[uneven gulch]

Ty

[frank stirrup]

should have a pcie x16 slot

[zenith ore]

usually the top slot

[mild roost]

The old motherboard don’t support a gpu like a 3060 I believe

[frank stirrup]

send me a pic of the board

i can pretty much guarantee it does if its from the last decade tbh

[fossil cedar]

Np

[frank stirrup]

it might not run it at full speed

but its fine to test boot

[mild roost]

Yea I guess it does.

[frank stirrup]

fire it up without the 3060 installed

see if it boots

[zenith ore]

cough cough hp prebuilt

@ me

[frank stirrup]

if yes then put the 3060 in there

[mild roost]

New pc or old?

[frank stirrup]

old

[mild roost]

Ohh ok.

[frank stirrup]

which one?

[zenith ore]

elitedesk 800 G1

[uneven gulch]

So should i not get the hp build

Prebuilt

[zenith ore]

ya they suck

[frank stirrup]

dunno man

[zenith ore]

ya it might have the slots but look on the right

the pwr cord for the GPU plugs into the motherboard :/

[uneven gulch]

I think ill wait a few months again like maybe until july, maybe the gpu prices will drop a lot more by then

[fossil cedar]

You should it absolutely curb stomps anything at the price range

[zenith ore]

it only works with GPU's without external power

only PCIE power

[frank stirrup]

thats... not how it works

[uneven gulch]

Ur saying yes and marrca is saying no so idk😖

[zenith ore]

it is

look it up

[fossil cedar]

No its not

[frank stirrup]

well one person is a techie and the other person thinks windows loads before bios

so idk

[fossil cedar]

That's hp proprietary instead of 24 pin

[frank stirrup]

id trust pato

[zenith ore]

yup and the power supply has no other cables

and no other power supplies work but hp ones

[frank stirrup]

run another psu

just for the gpu

[zenith ore]

like

well

[fossil cedar]

Uh thats wrong, you can get a hp adapter or use separate psu

[zenith ore]

actually?

[frank stirrup]

if at all ur point is the psu that comes with the prebuilt doesnt support a 3060\

which is true

[zenith ore]

seperate PSU is common sense but useless with the CPU bottleneck

it literally bottlenecks a 1650

[frank stirrup]

What?

ur making no sense

[zenith ore]

theres zero point to even try

bc the CPU bottlenecks a 1650

[fossil cedar]

Ye

[frank stirrup]

LITERALLY the point rn is troubleshooting

which this can do

[zenith ore]

im on a different subject rn bru

thought we all were

but lets go back to name'

[frank stirrup]

ur changing subjects when it suits you when someone disproves the subject ur on and somehow still being wrong

[zenith ore]

.

[uneven gulch]

Ill just do this bc my birthday is in July.and the gpu prices will most likely drop by then. I want to experience building a pc as well so

[fossil cedar]

I only advise what i would do if in the same situation

[zenith ore]

.

done

[mild roost]

My old pc is running either rn. I’m gonna have my friend come over and work on it with me. Maybe I can check my gpu with his pc.

[zenith ore]

#building-and-recc-chat message

[potent portal]

I'll be the second techie to say that HP board would 100% support any PCI-e graphics card. Maybe not full performance if it's a 3090 on a gen 2 link but it'll work.

[zenith ore]

ok now im done lol

[zenith ore]

yeah it'll work

[fossil cedar]

Dam alec we see you watching

[zenith ore]

but not worth it

[vague oracle]

…you really had to call me out on that

[zenith ore]

if the CPU bottlenecks a 1650 low profile i dont think its worth adding anything higher

[fossil cedar]

Alec just like

[frank stirrup]

all those things u replied to would make sense if not for the fact that we were talking about board compatability with a 3060

[vague oracle]

Pretty much

[frank stirrup]

to which u said this hp board doesnt

[zenith ore]

when u changed subject

[frank stirrup]

and then u got proved wrong

[zenith ore]

and

1 sec

[frank stirrup]

then u said the psu got no pcie power

[zenith ore]

honestly

i did not

[frank stirrup]

which i gave a solution for

[zenith ore]

im too tired to argue but

i said it only works with PCIE power unless something else is added

[vague oracle]

@zenith ore You did say it didn’t have PCie power

[zenith ore]

which its pointless to addd somethiung else

[frank stirrup]

and then u said its not worth it because cpu bottleneck, when the whole point was to test gpu working or not with quick boot test

[zenith ore]

.

[frank stirrup]

like bro

[zenith ore]

.

i said it only does

[frank stirrup]

stick to the topic

[zenith ore]

and yerah

i said a long time ago lets go back to name's topic

[vague oracle]

.

[frank stirrup]

dont blame me after not knowing ur pc hardware

[zenith ore]

so lets do that

[little osprey]

What happened lol

[frank stirrup]

and being wrong multiple times

[fossil cedar]

Bruh you just edited that message

[potent portal]

You edited your reply to match this comment lol

[zenith ore]

which one

[potent portal]

Both of us are mods that can see your edits lol

[fossil cedar]

This one

[frank stirrup]

you literally thought windows loads before the bios so bios error code could be fixed by windows safe mode boot

that says everything i needed to

and with that

im done

[zenith ore]

i edited it when i sent it

bc there was a spelling error :/

[zenith ore]

yeah

literally

spelling and message error

[fossil cedar]

Lol

Suree

[zenith ore]

also

look at the time

[frank stirrup]

to debug led error code no boot issue

lol

[little osprey]

Tbh I tend to fat finger the enter key when typing ' also

[frank stirrup]

yeah but you wouldnt come at someone after being proved wrong by multiple people multiple times

and then use that as proof of you being right

anyway getting kinda heated

imma block and move on

[little osprey]

I wasn't defending him for that lol

[tiny scaffold]

Hey guys, I just built my first pc but I keep getting this, how do I fix this?

Pc can't run windows 11, pc doesn't meet the minimum system requirements to install this version of windows

[potent portal]

What specs?
You probably just need to update bios

[jovial radish]

am not sure if this is the right channel for this, or if it should be peripherals but

is there an easy way to fix a loose headphone jack in your case? I disconnected my headphones with a little too much gusto and now that headphone jack sounds very washy and quiet

it's not the headphones I tested them

could also be a little dirt

in that case I have electronics cleaner

[frank stirrup]

Specs list?

Also u can just install win 10 tbh

[tiny scaffold]

I'll drop a pic in the build pic

[frank stirrup]

I dont need a pic

Cant do anything with it

Gimme a list of ur parts

Especially cpu and motherboard

[tiny scaffold]

AMD Ryzen 7 3rd Gen - RYZEN 7 3700X Matisse (Zen 2) 8-Core 3.6 GHz (4.4 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 65W 100-100000071BOX Desktop Processor

ASRock B550 EXTREME4 AM4 AMD B550 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard

[frank stirrup]

Yeah just update bios

To the latest one

[tiny scaffold]

I'm in the bios menu, how do I do that?

I'm suppose to Google the company name of my motherboard for bios update and upload it onto a usb?

[frank stirrup]

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B550 Extreme4/index.asp#BIOS

Follow instructions on there

[celest horizon]

Wait, why'd you put a 3700x into a b550

[earnest olive]

I wonder how it works if the slot is limited to 25w?

[celest horizon]

What b550 won't work with a 3rd gen chip out of the box?

[earnest olive]

none

b550 is guaranteed to be ryzen 3000 compatible out of the box

no matter what

even if you got the very first one ever made

[celest horizon]

This is somewhat common on older optiplexes, e.g. 2nd gen. x16 slot is only rated to 35w, I saw a post on the LTT forums or somewhere of a 970 burning the slot.

[earnest olive]

yeah

[celest horizon]

The mobo has no way to limit current draw, the card will pull what it wants.

100w slot rx480 moment

🧯

[earnest olive]

just wanted to raise the point that some prebuilts actually won't support all graphics cards

[frank stirrup]

Better and easier to update bios than walk through all the win 11 requirements

[earnest olive]

wow that sounds like a really bad design flaw

[celest horizon]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-power-measurements,4622.html

[earnest olive]

wonder how many pcie slots were burned by rx 480s

[potent portal]

The bios update is to get the update that enables tpm by default. Easier than going through all the menus to do it manually

[earnest olive]

I'd imagine higher end mobos are overbuilt a bit

[celest horizon]

ah

[earnest olive]

but lower end maybe not

and rx 480 wasn't a high end card on release

[celest horizon]

yeah, shouldn't be an issue on anything that isn't a prebuilt/oem.

The main issue is multi card on boards that don't have an aux power as pcie +12v is run from the 24 pin's two +12v wires

[real umbra]

hi is there a help section i can go to

[celest horizon]

Even the m9a used a molex for that, lol

[fossil cedar]

Yeah you can ask here

Ohh jeez please put it into https://pcpartpicker.com/list

[earnest olive]

I remember that amd was advertising 2 rx 480s in crossfire as a competitor to the 1080 lmao

200w slot power woohoo

[fossil cedar]

And send us the link back in the yellow box

[real umbra]

ok sry

[fossil cedar]

No worries

Also what country are you from? US?

[real umbra]

yes

[celest horizon]

Idk if it was every 480, but the 580s didn't have that issue afaik

[earnest olive]

that's good

hmm I've been able to run 2 5700xt/2 3070 in boards with no aux power

[fossil cedar]

Can confirm my gfs 580 has not fried the mobo

[earnest olive]

i did have a cheap 24pin cable extension burn though

not sure if that's related to the 2 5700xts or just a bad cable

[real umbra]

sry @fossil cedar very confused my friend used different wording is it okay if i dm u

[fossil cedar]

I don't do dms, but i can see it needs fixing, what is their budget and use for the pc and i can put together a new list

[real umbra]

ok my highest price would be 2500 i'm not sure if that's enough tho

sry wifi crashed running on hotspot

[potent portal]

USD? That's enough for a high end computer

[fossil cedar]

Yeah that's a great pc

@real umbra
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2f6D2m

[real umbra]

thx

[real umbra]

@fossil cedar should i be worried about the notes at the bottom or do u think it will be fine

[fossil cedar]

You can ignore the first and last, the middle one just is saying you may need to take out the hdd tray

[real umbra]

ok you are a life saver

thank you so much

[fossil cedar]

No problem

[tiny scaffold]

Aye I appreciate the help bruh, it all works now💪💪

[untold vessel]

Can anyone link a prebuilt that can run GTA V at ~60 FPS, 4K, for around $1500?

[mossy venture]

easily

gta5 can run on a potato

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali605/p/N82E16883360270?Description=3060 ti abs&cm_re=3060_ti abs-_-83-360-270-_-Product&quicklink=true

[untold vessel]

Sweeeeeet send it on over

[mossy venture]

actually

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali609/p/N82E16883360274?Description=3060 ti abs&cm_re=3060_ti abs-_-83-360-274-_-Product&quicklink=true this gives a 100$ promo gift card

but the first one has better cooling

much better

[untold vessel]

Wonderful

Do you have any other 3060ti prebuilt?

Preferably even cheaper?

[mossy venture]

for the price not really

open box is an option if you want

[fossil cedar]

Not worth for oven case

[unborn shell]

AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
16GB Samsung DDR4 PC4-2133P-U1-10
Asus GeForce GTX 1080 8GB
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master AM4 (IO-Shield )
Samsung NVME SSD 240GB
Hitachi HDD 1TB SATA

how much do yall think this is worth?

[frank stirrup]

its not

worth it that is

bad ram

overpriced board for the cpu

like very overpriced

and a tiny ssd

[unborn shell]

its used

[frank stirrup]

whatever

[unborn shell]

how much would you say its worth used

;-;

[frank stirrup]

I wouldnt

buy it that is

for a pc of that perf tho probably like 600$

[unborn shell]

alr thanks

[frank stirrup]

even less actually

maybe 500$

peak

600$ gets you a 5600g build that will actually boot

[unborn shell]

AMD 5 Ryzen 5600X
TUF GAMING B550 PLUS
Pure Rock 2 Black
DDR4 16GB (8Gx2) 3000 CL15 Corsair Vengeance LPX
Corsair RM750x 750W PSU 80+ Gold Modular
Corsair SSD 120G Force Series LS MLC 2.5" SATA
500GB SSD 970 EVO Plus M.2 NVMe (M2)
Nvidia GTX 1080 G1 Gaming 8GB
Antec - DF600-Flux-NPS

what about this? ;-;

[mossy venture]

What's your budget

[unborn shell]

i would say about 1k?
buy im from israel and the prices are different over here :/

[mossy venture]

Ahhh

If you can get that pc within your budget it wouldn't be the worst

[unborn shell]

its for about 1160 but i could still buy it

what do you think?

ah nvm its about my budget

even less-

hmm

[frank stirrup]

Ehhhhhhh

[mossy venture]

In what currency?

[unborn shell]

shekels

[mossy venture]

Yeah thats a great price actually

1k shekels is like 300 usd

[frank stirrup]

Oh thats an absolute deal

[unborn shell]

no i mean-

its 3000 shekels

'_'

[mossy venture]

Ahh

[unborn shell]

which is about 1k usd

[mossy venture]

Still, decent price

[unborn shell]

ah good to know/

[frank stirrup]

not bad price

[mossy venture]

It's $920

[unborn shell]

hmmm

[mossy venture]

Not terrible, rams a bit slow and might need to add more storage but aside from that looks like a pretty average build

[unborn shell]

good to know :)

thanks

[serene hedge]

not really

my build is $520 and it has the 5600g in it

an NVME

3600Mhz ram

i think it's vulcanz

which gpu is the best from these two
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09QVYJC3S?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Graphics-WINDFORCE-GV-N3050GAMING-OC-8GD/dp/B09QVPMGYV/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=gigabyte+rtx&qid=1646663293&s=electronics&sr=1-1

or do these just have similar performance?

[mossy venture]

Please don't buy either of those. You can get a 2060 off ebay for much cheaper

[serene hedge]

why, plus a 2060 is way less powerful than these, right?

so what your saying is a gigabyte rtx 2060 is cheaper than a 3050

[serene hedge]

same price

[frank stirrup]

Go look at pricing rn

[serene hedge]

i did, $532

[frank stirrup]

send me it?

[serene hedge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pqd32m

needs a BIOS update

but aorus elite has bios flash

[frank stirrup]

I dont see a power supply

lol

[fossil cedar]

For that price you can get a 1660 super pc from hp

[serene hedge]

that's because i already have a psu

[serene hedge]

on sale, yes

[frank stirrup]

so you didnt buy an entire 5600g build

which is what the point was

lmao

[fossil cedar]

Okay so? It's been on sale for ages now

[serene hedge]

no

yoru saying that a 5600g build was like $600

[frank stirrup]

I think i know what my point was better than u do

[frank stirrup]

And it is

u linked me a half complete build

to attempt to prove ur point

[serene hedge]

how is it half complete

i already have a psu

[frank stirrup]

its not gonna boot

[serene hedge]

i don't need two

[frank stirrup]

so

did i tell u to buy it?

does everyone have to have a psu just because u did?

that list is half complete to anyone buying an all new pc

[serene hedge]

that's not what i'm saying, at all

[frank stirrup]

and it will never boot with only components from that list

and a spu costs more

[serene hedge]

so when it boots up, what am i gonna say?

[mossy venture]

Not at all

2060 slightly beats 3050

[frank stirrup]

so add like 50$ more for a psu to that list

and bam u have 600$ pc

that actually turns on

lol

[mossy venture]

Rawrs claim was a 5600g complete build costs around $600

[frank stirrup]

a build without a psu wont actually boot

like i said

[mossy venture]

You having a psu and adding it to a 5600g build and not buying it doesn't change that

[frank stirrup]

indeed

[frank stirrup]

he didnt even add the psu to the list he sent me

to call me out

[mossy venture]

Lol

[frank stirrup]

like bro

how u gonna argue about price when u dont even include a way to power the pc in the list you use as proof

[serene hedge]

psu's aren't that much

[frank stirrup]

depends

[serene hedge]

i think i found one for like $20

[frank stirrup]

Sounds like a bomb

not a psu

[serene hedge]

well, i do already have a $600 intel list

[frank stirrup]

who asked

point is you @ me with a list that doesnt work

lol

[serene hedge]

dude, it does work

[frank stirrup]

nope

[serene hedge]

yup

[frank stirrup]

no way to power the pc

in that list

no power supply

[serene hedge]

you could use a potato for all i frickin care

[frank stirrup]

You actually couldnt

but yeah

dont attack me

with a list that wont even boot

to attempt to prove me wrong

I usually know what im talking about when I say something

and dont attempt to keep justifying urself when you know u messed up as well

please

thanks

[serene hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/problematic-stressed-smh-oh-dear-gif-23576897

[serene hedge]

i didn't though

[frank stirrup]

this is how i feel indeed

thanks for the gif

[serene hedge]

that's how i feel rn with you

[frank stirrup]

after you replied to me saying "600$ gets you a 5600g build that will actually boot" with a $560 build that had no psu and hence couldnt boot in a weak attempt to prove me wrong?

[serene hedge]

and i'm also turning off the @ but dang discord keeps turning t back on

[frank stirrup]

actually pathetic

get off my discord

lol

dont waste my time

[serene hedge]

just shut up, please. Your making my brain want to explode with because of your ridiculous.

[serene hedge]

it's also not your server, so no thank you

[serene hedge]

^^

[wary geode]

aaaaaaa TO MANY PEOPLE SAY THAT

[frank stirrup]

it just needs a little nudge

do it

[wary geode]

no

[frank stirrup]

fair enough

build looks cool tho

[wary geode]

thanks

[serene hedge]

@austere condor how the heck is that PC $355?!

[wary geode]

i like it a lot

he scams locally

[mossy venture]

Gpu

[wary geode]

the one i posted was 300 as well lmao but sponserships don’t count i guess

[serene hedge]

soo it's not $355

[austere condor]

thats what it cost me to build

[wary geode]

lmao i’m playing demon usually is really good at finding things for low prices

[austere condor]

i sell it for more cause i make money doing this

[wary geode]

^ yep

[serene hedge]

in what kind of market

[austere condor]

bought this for $200

the AIO pump ended up being dead, so i had to buy a new one

so that was an extra $40

i bought the GTX 1060 6gb a week or so ago for $100

[serene hedge]

ebay?

[austere condor]

and i put a 1TB HDD in this system with one of the SSDs it came with for $15

$355

[austere condor]

facebook local

[serene hedge]

using facebook marketplace because ebay would be more complicated?

[austere condor]

i buy stuff off of ebay, but i dont get as good of deals as i can get local

get better deals local

like this

4x16 DDR4-3200 corsair RGB for $120

@serene hedge @wary geode

[wary geode]

yep killer deal idk what my best one was but that’s really really good

[austere condor]

or this:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ckfpGL

$2300 worth of hardware i bought last night for $900

[wary geode]

i like it i like it

def look like a good profit potential

[serene hedge]

if you were on ebay, how would you know if it's a scam or not

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=graphics card&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_udlo=0&_udhi=500&rt=nc&_stpos=28443&_sadis=2000&LH_PrefLoc=99&_fspt=1 @austere condor

see if any of these are total scams or something to think about getting

[little osprey]

What board and cpu?

[serene hedge]

one at a time

[little osprey]

?

what are you talking about lol

oh are people trying to buy it off him or something? I was just curious what it is

[serene hedge]

he can't answer two questions at the same time

[little osprey]

umm

[serene hedge]

idk

[little osprey]

its not that big of a deal

[serene hedge]

maybe?

[little osprey]

i literally just asked what two of the components were lol

[serene hedge]

ikt

[little osprey]

ok?

[serene hedge]

he might now respond to it

[little osprey]

bruh

[serene hedge]

it's been awhile, so just wait

[serene hedge]

what?

[austere condor]

whole PCPP list of every part

[little osprey]

oh alright

[austere condor]

4x16 Vengeance RGB Pro
for $120

[fossil cedar]

yummy

[spare socket]

Yo I’m lookin for people that know a lot about gaming computer. I have a budget of 3000$ CAD. I want to be able to play rust, gta RP, dayz, tarkov, squad and every survival and realistic game.

[mossy venture]

I gotchu, give me a few min

Is 3k for everything or just the tower?

[fossil cedar]

Doesn't matter something good in us just aren't good in Canada

[mossy venture]

Bruh

[fossil cedar]

Yeah you cant

Don't filter evade

[spare socket]

Anyway, Also I don’t care about rgb. I’d rather save money than buy rgb. And I want at least 32gb ram

[mossy venture]

Yoo pato

12600k is 230 on newegg rn

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BB4Ycf/intel-core-i5-12600k-37-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512600k

[fossil cedar]

Nice

[stoic island]

ram is relatively cheap, just slap in a new 2x16gb kit for like 200 cad

[mossy venture]

@spare socket

[fossil cedar]

#tech-deals that

[spare socket]

3k for my pc.

Also I don’t need a rgb super duper sick case. I’d rather save my money and buy something uglier

Or regular

[stoic island]

For 3k cad, prebuilt wise, 11700+3080
https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali602/p/N82E16883360267
2.4k, 10600+3070ti
https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali545/p/N82E16883360165

[mossy venture]

First off, I didn't say for his build

Second, it's 3k cad. Thats around 2.3k usd if I had to guess

Alright give me a few min

[spare socket]

Isn’t it better to buy parts instead of prebuilt ?

I’d rather buy parts if I’m honest

[stoic island]

Canadian GPU situation is really bad still afaik

[spare socket]

And go to some dude that can assemble it

[stoic island]

If you can get a GPU at a decent price, sure, that's better, but when you can't, prebuilt it your only decent option

[spare socket]

Also I could go above 3000CAD

If a build is like 200-500 more or whatever I could wait a little bit

[stoic island]

Yes, but problem is that scalped GPUs can make building it yourself more expensive than going prebuilt

From what I know, its really hard to get a GPU in can still

bad words bad

[mossy venture]

You know any good psus for Canada? Best 850 is rmx at 160 cad

From the ones i know

[spare socket]

Bro

[stoic island]

check g6

[spare socket]

I keep forgetting

My bad lol

[stoic island]

txm was at a good price a while ago

[mossy venture]

130, bit better

That is not a model

[stoic island]

g6 is a pretty nice psu

[mossy venture]

And yes that's super overkill

[spare socket]

Also from what I’ve heard, prebuilts don’t have the best reputation.

[stoic island]

everything depends a lot on a lot of things

[spare socket]

U don’t get bang for your buck, I may be wrong tho

[stoic island]

Compared to parts at msrp, yea, but its just GPU situation making prebuilts semi useful

[mossy venture]

This is what I came up with, there's most likely some things that could be better though https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/4fgP3y

[stoic island]

ABS just seems to be decent from GN reviews so far

[mossy venture]

Maybe the case and ram

[stoic island]

This could be good if you could get a GPU

somehow

afaik the main way is infrequent canadian bb drops

[mossy venture]

There's a 6900xt for 1900 cad

On pcp

But that's not exactly in budget

[spare socket]

Is that amd ?

[mossy venture]

Yes

Not abs

Abs uses off the shelf parts

Which is why we recommend them

[spare socket]

Ffs computers are so complicated to figure out.

[stoic island]

not really....?

[mossy venture]

My guy

Alright I'm going to very blunt for a moment

Please don't give advice when you don't know what you're talking about

[fossil cedar]

doesnt matter

[mossy venture]

Please let people who know what they're doing do what they know how to do, and sit by and learn so you can help people in the future if you wish

Thats how I learned here

And its not like I know everything

I will readily admit I dont

[visual notch]

They may be rivals, but that doesn't mean they don't cooperate. LOL

[spare socket]

Figuring out what PC to get is so stressful

[mossy venture]

Alright: basically, if you go custom built, it will probably take atleast a few months to get a gpu and might end up being more expensive

Wait

No

I said that backwards

[stoic island]

PCs are confusing in general

lots of options lots of information to take in

[spare socket]

U don’t say

[mossy venture]

If you go pre built, you get a pc immediately, and are less stressed, and don't have to spend the time getting a gpu

[visual notch]

See USB for details

[mossy venture]

The trade off is it might cost a little more and the pc might have a bit less upgradability

[visual notch]

Gen 3.1 Revision 2, USB-3.0 Type C.

[spare socket]

Can I upgrade it tho? Like if I want to change a part in the future will I be able to ?

[visual notch]

Excuse me?

[mossy venture]

But as of now, if you don't know what you're doing, I recommend pre built

[mossy venture]

Yes

[stoic island]

With an ABS prebuilt, you can swap off the shelf parts with off the shelf parts

[mossy venture]

Sometimes though the motherboard may be lackluster, or the power supply maybe

[visual notch]

Most definitely.

[mossy venture]

It's 100% upgradable with abs

[stoic island]

Contrasted with Dell/Alienware/HP being the worst offenders for weird proprietary parts you can't swap out for off the shelf parts

[mossy venture]

It's as if you built it yourself, just have to pay a bit more than if you bought them yourself at msrp

[spare socket]

If I need to get more money for something more worth, I’ll wait a bit. I’d like to have lots of fast SSD, 32 gbs of RAM. No need for rgb on anything if I can save money from it.

[fossil cedar]

@spare socket https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/mydFtn

[stoic island]

that's another option ^

[mossy venture]

I trust pato over myself btw. If you want custom, I'd do that

[spare socket]

Isn’t it better to go with 30 something instead of Radeon ? Sorry I don’t know anything im just going based off of what I heard in the past

[stoic island]

nice to see td500 mesh is cheap for can

[mossy venture]

6800xt=3080, just no dlss and worse rtx

[spare socket]

What does that mean

Lol

[stoic island]

There are tradeoffs, you lose DLSS, RTX, and some other Nvidia features, for better raster (normal) performance on 6xxx cards against 3xxx cards

[mossy venture]

I'm not sure how to explain what dlss is

[spare socket]

Id def like to have nvidia

[mossy venture]

It upscales resolution, boosting fps in some games

[spare socket]

If I can

[visual notch]

DLSS = deep learning super sampling. It takes a lower resolution image and runs it through an AI denoiser to make the upscaled final image in the game your resolution, and still look good.

[mossy venture]

Then you'll have to wait most likely for 4000 series drop, or get a pre built

[fossil cedar]

you would be getting a worse gpu or compromising on other things

[visual notch]

If you're doing DIY anyways

For prebuilts, might be a different story.

[stoic island]

2400cad for the 10600k+3070ti prebuilt is an option, 3000cad for the 11700+3080 another option, both with worse CPUs though, but still decent CPUs for gaming

[visual notch]

yeah

[spare socket]

I’m more familiar with nvidia. I wouldn’t mind going prebuilts at this pint

[fossil cedar]

more familar doesnt matter

gpu is gpu you wont be able to tell if its nvidia or amd

[stoic island]

If you want performance in an in-stock GPU, AMD wipes the floor

[spare socket]

How long does it take to get a prebuilt normally

[visual notch]

I hate to agree with that, but it's true. lol

[stoic island]

However long anything else takes to ship

if you're in a big city, prob just a day or two, if you're in the middle of nowhere and everything takes a week to get to you, it'll prob take a week

[fossil cedar]

i mean if youre okay with spending an extra 100$ for a 3080 instead https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/v7bkd9

[stoic island]

oh yea that works too

overpriced still but that'll work nicely too

[spare socket]

Guys I’m gonna be back around 6pm EST tonight. I’m at work but I def want to talk more later.

I got all your names so I know who to talk to

One more thing. If u guys know any really good builds whatever the price ( just not more than 4k if u can ). I could wait and save up a little more to get that instead

I really want something that gonna last me a while and that can run realistic games extremely well

[fossil cedar]

That's a balls to the wall pc anyway

[spare socket]

Will it take a long time to get those parts tho ?

[fossil cedar]

Nah like 1-2 weeks

[spare socket]

I just went on some other discord and they said that 3k for gaming is too much

Even 2k is a lot

[fossil cedar]

3k cad and usd are different but it depends what youre looking for, 3k cad is a nice ammount

[spare socket]

Is this a good build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hj98Y9

Some dude showed that to me

[mossy venture]

Monitor overpriced, same as psu

Also that's all in usd

[fossil cedar]

well thats a us build but even for us bad and overpriced parts

[spare socket]

Idc about the monitor idk why he put that in there

[spare socket]

Alright then

Jesus Gaming PCs are so damn difficult to figure out

Do I really need to buy a 3k CAD pc to run games like rust, squad, dayz, tarkov and other games at a high level ?

[little osprey]

nope

but it would be nice

its up to you how much you want to spend

[spare socket]

Honestly I don’t care if I go that high. I just want something that’s gonna run those games at a high level

[untold vessel]

Can anyone link the best priced Intel CPU + 3060ti / 3070ti prebuilt that they can find under $2,000?

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali605/p/N82E16883360270?Description=abs 3060 ti&cm_re=abs_3060 ti-_-83-360-270-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali463-gladiator/p/N82E16883360048R?Description=3070 abs&cm_re=3070_abs-_-83-360-048R-_-Product

[untold vessel]

Tysm; Do you see any Intel CPU + 3070/3070ti builds?

[mossy venture]

yes but not that good of a price

why do you want an intel cpu specifically

theres this i guess https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali615/p/N82E16883360280?Description=3070 abs&cm_re=3070_abs-_-83-360-280-_-Product&quicklink=true

or this https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali454-gladiator/p/N82E16883360038R?Description=3070 abs&cm_re=3070_abs-_-83-360-038R-_-Product&quicklink=true

[untold vessel]

That’s actually a good question. I’ve always been unfairly biased towards intel. I just feel AMD’s business model is Quantity > Quality

[untold vessel]

Do you have any specific points that I could use to change my stance? Perhaps I’m misinformed?

[mossy venture]

model over brand

is all i have to say

amd used to be more budget geared

but theyve caught up

[untold vessel]

What specifically does model one brand mean?

Over* brand

[mossy venture]

model is more important than the brand

the specific cpu matters more

[untold vessel]

Well yes

But I meant what is model defined as

[mossy venture]

which cpu it is?

3700x, 10700

5600x

3600

etc

[untold vessel]

Ah ah I got you

Well okay

I’m not too knowledgeable in power scaling for AMD CPUS

[mossy venture]

this is the best i think

of the ones i linked

10700 beats 3700x actually

and its similarly priced

[untold vessel]

but I’ve been told in terms of performance power, a 5800 is about on par with a 12600?

[mossy venture]

currently 12th gen is ahead of amd

but not many budget friendly 12th gen pre builts

[untold vessel]

I see

I just feel like AMD is always 1 gen behind in terms of performance

Is that necessarily true

[mossy venture]

they were better up until 12th gen

[untold vessel]

I see I see

[mossy venture]

11th gen was a waste

other than 11600k and 11400

it was worse than 10th gen

[untold vessel]

So AMD scales their gens by 2000, 3000, 5000, etc, yes?

[mossy venture]

yeah

[untold vessel]

And intel does 9, 10, 11, 12

[mossy venture]

next will be 7000 series vs 13th gen

[untold vessel]

So in terms of gen

[mossy venture]

both most likely releasing later this year

[untold vessel]

AMD vs Intel gen wise

[mossy venture]

currently, 12400=5600x, but cheaper

12600=5800x, but cheaper

[untold vessel]

Is 5600 truly =

[mossy venture]

and so on

[untold vessel]

Or a little worse

[mossy venture]

5000 series is only currently worth it if you have an amd mobo or find them on sale

[untold vessel]

But unnoticeably worse

[mossy venture]

like 5600x is on sale at microcenter for 210 rn i think

[untold vessel]

Oh shoot different mobos go with different cpus

[mossy venture]

yes

[untold vessel]

I didn’t even think about that

Damn

[mossy venture]

12700k needs a fairly expensive mobo

[untold vessel]

I figure

[mossy venture]

the one to go for being the msi z690-a pro ddr4

[untold vessel]

Gen 6 mobos?

[mossy venture]

which costs 220$

[untold vessel]

Are gen 6 mobos universal

[mossy venture]

wdym universal

as in do they work for previous cpus?

[untold vessel]

As in do all mobo manufactures call their mobos 400, 500, 600, 700?

450

550

690X

Etc

[mossy venture]

as far as i can think of yes

[untold vessel]

I see

[mossy venture]

b660, h610, z690

[untold vessel]

What’s the difference between b h and x

Z*

[mossy venture]

h610s not worth it, b660s are good for i3s and i5s

z690s are for an oced 12600k or any higher end 12th gen chip

b660 prime (140$) is the mobo to go for for a 12th gen i5 that isnt being oced

[untold vessel]

Okokok

What if I

Bought a custom pc from ibuypower and choose their oc option for $19

Is that wise

Or completely dumb

[mossy venture]

ABS is the only pre built company id buy from

[untold vessel]

Why so?

[mossy venture]

they have good build quality

and dont use oem parts

[spare socket]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/2Qzkd9 is this good ?

[untold vessel]

What is oem?

[mossy venture]

get the artic liquid freezer ii

280mm

for cooler

[untold vessel]

If you’re getting mostly high end parts, I’d recommend getting a more powerful set of RAM

[spare socket]

I have no idea what that is lol someone just did that build and I wanted to know if u guys thought it was good

[mossy venture]

the one pato suggested is much better

[mossy venture]

this one

[spare socket]

Ok, so how would I know that there is nothing better than that for that price? I’m really scared because I’ve never bought a computer and I want to make sure everything is good and I’ll get more for my buck. I also want to make sure I can run my games at high fps

Sorry if I’m a pain in the ass I just want to make sure

[mossy venture]

there will always be better for the price, just depends how long you want to wait

if you want to spend months and months trying to get a card at msrp, then go for it

[spare socket]

Is the i5-12600k better than i5-12700k ?

Cause honestly I’ll pay more if it means it’ll be better

[mossy venture]

no, but 12600k is good enough for even a 3090 or 6900xt

[spare socket]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/F344qm this good ?

It’s either between https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/F344qm @spare socket https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/mydFtn or v7bkd9

[mossy venture]

youre underestimating how hot 12th gen gets

it basically needs a liquid cooler for anything over 12400

[strong raft]

12700/12900. 12600 isn't too bad, but people act like the Ecores are so great. Obviously they increase the cooling required

[mossy venture]

im still confidently saying the one that pato made is the best out of the ones youve linked

[spare socket]

Damn ok

[fossil cedar]

Bout the same in games

[jolly grotto]

Supermicro M12SWA-TF Motherboard. how much storage can I get and how to go about connecting external HDD?

[fossil cedar]

How many sata ports/spare pcie ports are there?

[jolly grotto]

https://www.newegg.com/supermicro-mbd-m12swa-95wx-ma015-o-amd-ryzen-threadripper-pro-3995wx/p/N82E16813183729?Description=supermicro 3995wx&cm_re=supermicro_3995wx-_-13-183-729-_-Product&quicklink=true

[fossil cedar]

Feel like it's a tad overpriced of a board lol

[jolly grotto]

it's because it comes with 3995wx, afaik one of the only board that will support 2tb of ram

[fossil cedar]

It's also backordered to an eta date of 7 months ago

[jolly grotto]

yea, you'll have to buy each part individually not this kit.

[strong raft]

Many $200+ 600 series mobos is why I'd have no qualms suggesting a 1x400 to anyone wanted a lower priced setup. Even the unused z590 mobo I got was only $175. I7 would be nice but they're priced pretty wack around here currently.

[jolly grotto]

i'm just wondering about external storage. I'm pretty sure motherboard only supports 4x 4tb of SSD

[fossil cedar]

Interesting, it's actually cheaper to buy that combo than a 3995wx on it's own

[jolly grotto]

ya that's why it is backorder so long 😄

[fossil cedar]

So you have 4 m.2 slots which can be split into 6 sata ports per m.2 slot, 2 u.2, slots 4 sata ports, and assuming you're only going to be using 1 gpu, 5 spare pcie slots which can be split into 8 sata ports per slot

For m.2 split
https://www.amazon.com/ORICO-Adapter-Desktop-Support-RAID-PM2TS6/dp/B09N34NKT1/

For pcie split
https://www.amazon.com/Heayzoki-Express-Expansion-Controller-Semi-High/dp/B094VZJHK3/

Which is 1040.4tb on sata, idk what the max is on u.2

[spare socket]

Is msi good ?

Like for gpus

[little osprey]

🤓

[spare socket]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QRwypg/msi-radeon-rx-6600-xt-8-gb-mech-2x-oc-video-card-rx6600xt-mech2x-8goc is that good ?

[mossy venture]

not at all

[spare socket]

I’m reconsidering the 3k pc. I’m tryna run games like tarkov, rust, dayz, gta rp, single player games at 1440p and lots of fps. But If I don’t need to spend 3k CAD to get that than I won’t. What do u guys think

[little osprey]

that's perfectly fine, you dont need to spend more money than you want

[stoic island]

Tarkov at 1440p is going to hurt

GTA and DayZ are relatively simple to run

Rust could always be ran at lower settings

[spare socket]

Is 3k cad is not too much to spend just to play those games ? I can go lower if it still means I can play those easily and save money

[stoic island]

I mean it's just 3070/6800 min imo for intensive 1440p games

You might be able to do closer to 2k cad, but it'll be around there somewhere

[jolly grotto]

https://www.newegg.com/nemix-ram-256gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/0RN-004P-00AJ3?Description=DDR4-3200 ram&cm_re=DDR4-3200_ram-_-9SIA7S6C6P2838-_-Product I think this isn't compatible with supermicro only this ram https://www.newegg.com/p/1X5-003Z-01937?Item=9SIA7S6BW24242

[stoic island]

?

[strong raft]

Feels like a troll tbh. Links a $6500 cpu+mobo combo...

[celest horizon]

Why not go epyc?

[celest horizon]

Why bother with all of that? Just use a 4x m.2 riser and bifurcate

I think most wrx80 boards support 2TB memory

[jolly grotto]

i'm not trolling lol..

[potent portal]

You can use non-ecc memory on a server but that's really not recommended if you're using a lot of memory, and you likely won't be able to run it too fast

[jolly grotto]

do you need to buy a kit or can you purchase individual sticks?

[celest horizon]

It's extremely unlikely that any rdimms will not be ecc, especially at this size

[jolly grotto]

for example if I buy 4x 256 and then add more later

[celest horizon]

You can run ecc udimms on even desktop am4 ryzen, and ofc on TRX40/WRX80

[potent portal]

Kits are recommended but it should be fine if you buy the same ones again later

[celest horizon]

What are you using the rig for? What needs the memory capacity?

[potent portal]

I must have missed where rdimms were mentioned

[celest horizon]

You can't have >32GB on a ddr4 udimm

[jolly grotto]

I think epyc needs a different motherboard

[celest horizon]

Yes

[jolly grotto]

solveoptimized.com/ryzen-threadripper-pro-3995wx-workstation-solver-build-2tb-ram/

I'm running high amount of simulations with a AI.

a comparable server yearly would run me the same amount as building a PC but with even less specs.

[potent portal]

Zen 3 threadripper should be out soon... Just saying

[celest horizon]

It'll work in the same board

[jolly grotto]

i don't know much about epyc everyone I talked to has tr

[potent portal]

Epyc is more for the pcie lanes and core count, with mostly lower clocks and cache per core

[celest horizon]

Single socket epyc won't be useful here over wrx80 - but if the workload is numa-aware and scales well, yeah, could double up on cores

Would also give you the option of 16 dimms vs 8 as 256GB LRDIMMs are much more expensive

[viral ore]

but would 2TB of memory even be necessary?

or would bandwidth be a higher priority

[celest horizon]

That poker bot site seems to say so

Whether or not this is a troll - seems like a cool use case

[potent portal]

That would be a really cool way to make a poker game. Use the bot to make an actually smart AI player.

[celest horizon]

With 16x 128GB dimms, you could get 2TB for only $12k or so

The TR pro will clock much higher though

[jolly grotto]

the software is designed for multi-threading and it uses ~100% of any CPU thrown at it, similar to a Chess engine.

[potent portal]

I assume from the lack of epyc articles in the guide and no dual socket systems mentioned at all, it's not numa aware

[celest horizon]

If you only need 256GB of ram I would go with a 3990x for $3k + $600 board, you'd get 64 cores at 4ghz vs the much lower stock clocks of the other chips

[jolly grotto]

I rent a 256gb ram 20-core and can't handle my workload atm

[mossy venture]

what even is your workload

[celest horizon]

What vps provider? Sounds like an intel xeon, which chip?

[jolly grotto]

contabo 2x 10-core intel yh

[celest horizon]

So no issues with numa?

[jolly grotto]

mainly memory and quite limited on threads

[potent portal]

If it's using all 20 cores then yes numa would work

[celest horizon]

well - without knowing more, hard to say if it's efficient

[potent portal]

In which case you could do the epyc like forks said, to save money on memory

[celest horizon]

There are always varying degrees of "numa aware"

[jolly grotto]

it's not for a bot for playing it solves the game by nash equilibrium down to 0.001%. basically simulates AI playing each other.

[celest horizon]

Link me to some benchmark workload to run on a 128GB 3990x system

[jolly grotto]

my budget is ~20k, what I would prefer to do is purchase 512gb-1k tb of ram and eventually upgrade my machine to 2tb.

[celest horizon]

Yeah, 256GB LRDIMMs are just pricey, but no surprises there

2TB of 64GB dimms might only be $5400 or so

Ideally you'd want 3200mhz, but I'd settle for 2933 if you want to save

https://www.newegg.com/p/1X5-003Z-01951?Item=9SIA7S6BWS2693

[jolly grotto]

is 2933 compatible with supermicro mb?

[celest horizon]

Yes, but so is 3200

[strong rose]

this is the best that i can do under 1000

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jdcRJM

[mossy venture]

Do you not already have a 10600k?

[strong rose]

for a person who has i7 7th gen

[mossy venture]

7th gen i7 isn't terrible

[strong rose]

I know but they want an upgrade

[mossy venture]

Ahhh

I get it

[strong rose]

ye

is there anything i can do better?

[mossy venture]

Change psu to rmx 650

Bq bad

[strong rose]

kk if its in budget

[mossy venture]

Ssd I'd change to either an mp33 or sn550

Other than that it looks fine

Gl getting the gpu

[strong rose]

the psu is out of budget

i will try the ssd though

[mossy venture]

It's a 10$ difference

Better than having to replace the psu in a year like I had to

It's a huge difference in quality

[strong rose]

alright i will change some things up

[mossy venture]

Could get a cheaper 3200c16 kit if they don't plan on ocing memory

Check if the mx330-g air is in stock

Or the bitfenix nova whatever the hell

(Cases)

[strong rose]

kk

psu changed and ssd

in budget

[frank stirrup]

Gimme 15 mins ill make improvements

[strong rose]

i will check case

budget is 1k

[strong rose]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sHDkd9

how about now?

[mossy venture]

See if it let's you select this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6PjNnQ/bitfenix-nova-mesh-se-atx-mid-tower-case-bfc-nse-300-wwxkw-rp

If not get the mx330-g

And you'll need to add some artic p12s if you have to go mx330 (only comes with one)

[strong rose]

kk

imma make an improvement thx

[desert gulch]

id get more ssd space

128gb is kinda small

[strong rose]

it was ment only for os

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VZdr6r

just in budget

[desert gulch]

still

[strong rose]

?

[desert gulch]

id take out the hdd and the small ssd, and go for a 1tb m.2

[strong rose]

only the os should be fine also makes the system better

I would only if the budget allows it

we will see

[desert gulch]

you gonna have games on there?

[strong rose]

the 2tb hard drive is the game drive and other.

[mossy venture]

I'm pretty sure the bitfenix nova comes with three front fans, I meant the fans are needed for the mx330

[strong rose]

ssd for os, chrome, software for mouse and keyboard.

[desert gulch]

games are gonna hurt to load off a hdd sometimes

[mossy venture]

If you take out the ssd and fans you can get a 500gb ssd

Mp33 or sn550/570

[desert gulch]

mp33

[strong rose]

2 X White Fans Pre-Installed

[mossy venture]

Eh

Don't need a five pack

[strong rose]

kk

[mossy venture]

One more for 2x exhaust One intake will be fine

[strong rose]

? there is only 2

so I would still have to get a fan

[mossy venture]

Eh, depends

I guess it's not a high power cpu or gpu

So the two might be fine

Oh wait

[strong rose]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CxmFtn

[mossy venture]

You didn't add a heatsink, the stock cooler isn't great for the 12400

[strong rose]

that good

[strong rose]

it will be fine

[mossy venture]

Ehhh

Debatable

[strong rose]

indeed

[mossy venture]

Imo, it puts it like 2$ over budget but def worth it https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hHDJ7P/cooler-master-hyper-212-rgb-black-edition-573-cfm-cpu-cooler-rr-212s-20pc-r1

[strong rose]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P2Lw6r

a white fan turned black

and a dollar under

[strong rose]

s o15m later

[strong rose]

is it good now?

[strong rose]

...

[frank stirrup]

Eh bacca got this

I cant help rn

[strong rose]

kk

[frank stirrup]

No breaks for me apparantly

[desert gulch]

not the 212 😢

[strong rose]

we are in budget

[desert gulch]

214xt will be great, and cheaper

[strong rose]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P2Lw6r

[mossy venture]

I thought the 212 was better?

[desert gulch]

meh

its also 10 dolllars more and a MIR

theyre gonna perform really closely

[mossy venture]

Oh didn't realize it was mir

Mb

I've got the 214xt and my 3600 sits around 75c max, def a decent heatsink

If I fixed my fan layout it'd be lower

[desert gulch]

ye

[mossy venture]

But I dont feel like undoing all my cable management to flip a fan around

[lucid minnow]

is there a pwm header on the b550 aorus pro v2 mobo?

[tight sorrel]

pretty much every modern board comes with PWM headers. but if you want to be 100% sure, check the product web page/manual

[lucid minnow]

yea im staring at it but i cant fnd it

[tight sorrel]

link?

[lucid minnow]

sent

[tight sorrel]

page 4. see how all the fan headers are 4 pin? that means thy are PWM

[lucid minnow]

so i can plug it into any fan header?

[tight sorrel]

page 15

[tight sorrel]

yes

sorry, PWM is a fan header

I didnt realise you didnt know that.

[lucid minnow]

yea man sorry it's my first build

[tight sorrel]

no worries, we were all there

what ar eyou pluggin into it?

fans or AIO water pump?

[lucid minnow]

fans

[tight sorrel]

ok, then just use any headetr thats closest to your fan. take a note of which one though, so that you can tune the fan curve later

[lucid minnow]

alright sweet

[tight sorrel]

👍

[lucid minnow]

i think im gonna do the one next to ATX_12V

[fossil cedar]

Suppose just felt like that was the max but maybe I'm wrong

[ruby sentinel]

Is there any good motherboard lifters? Say if you're building a custom PC.

The little gold metal stick things that lifts it from the bottom.

[stoic island]

standoffs?

[tight sorrel]

standoffs

[ruby sentinel]

Yes

Nvm. Found some on Etsy.

Thank you!

[celest horizon]

Have you seen this? https://www.techpowerup.com/292717/amd-announces-zen-3-threadripper-for-professionals

[jolly grotto]

Ye but I haven’t seen it for sale anywhere

Or pre-order

[vague oracle]

YOOO FINALLY!

[molten urchin]

Hello all, I'm putting together my son a desktop PC for some gaming and junk as a father/son project. We picked out the Ryzen 5 5600G, but I notice that the motherboards the the PC-Builder recommends are compatible with 1st-3rd gen Ryzen processors, and my understanding is that this is a fifth gen...

Are fifth gen processors backwards compatible with 3rd gen mobos?

(Sorry in advance if this isn't the right place for this)

Looks like there are some reviews on the mobo I picked out that say its not compatible without a bios update, but in order to get the bios update you have to have a CPU that is compatible without the bios update... which sounds... fun... >_>

[stoic island]

It's the right place, pcpp is still being dumb, although you might need a bios update for a 5600g in a b550 board, many boards nowadays have a bios flashback feature that allows you to update bios without a CPU to be installed at all

[molten urchin]

I feel like I'd rather have a mobo that's compatible out of the box, but if its easier/better to have one that can use the bios flashback, how does that work?

thumb drive with a bios file loaded up?

[molten urchin]

I was going to go with this one, but after reading the review about needing a second processor just to update the bios, I'm having second thoughts... https://www.newegg.com/msi-performance-gaming-x470-gaming-plus-max/p/N82E16813144266?Item=9SIAYTVH1T4537

[mossy venture]

dont buy an x470

[molten urchin]

Is there one I should get instead? The cheapest one is a Gigabyte A520

[mossy venture]

whats your budget

also have you already bought anything?

@molten urchin

[molten urchin]

Not yet... still pricing things out

[mossy venture]

whats the total budget

[molten urchin]

I think I didn't really want to go over $800 for the whole build... but I'm already at $770 without the mobo

[mossy venture]

oh thats easy

you dont even need to do an igpu build

id do either of these + a gpu off ebay for the rest of the budget https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sqWnnt https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XZwD2m

personally id do 12100f to leave more room for gpu

[molten urchin]

One of the things he's said he wants to do with it is run bluestacks, which is why I'm opting for the 6-core ryzen 5

[obsidian wigeon]

bluestacks would do good with 12100f still

[molten urchin]

that way he can save 4 cores for windows and have 2 for android

or vice versa

[mossy venture]

the 10400f is still 6 cores

and the cpu is only slightly worse than the 5600g