building-and-recc-chat

[twin spindle]

yuck

[earnest olive]

it wasn't good by any means

I was expecting chernobyl but it was passable

I can't see airgaps in this auron case tbh

[twin spindle]

hmmm

[gritty rover]

Is this the proper way an intake fan goes

I have the phantek fans that came with my case

Wait I think I got it

They were positioned like this when I first opened

Cool air blowing in?

I’m trying to do neutral airflow

[void turtle]

I spilled tea into my pc a week ago and it got destroyed

[gritty rover]

Oh damn that’s horrible

[earnest olive]

yes that's proper intake

[earnest olive]

how bad was the spill? I'd bet some components are still okay

[void turtle]

An entire solo cup worth. It got all over the pcb for the graphics card, seeped down into the pcie 16x slot, and the psu looked like someone gave it two shots

[earnest olive]

ouch

[gritty rover]

Thanks!

[earnest olive]

well, cpu/ram/storage could still be alive

might be worth testing

those are the most likely parts to still be alive I'd think

mobo possible but likely has some damage

[void turtle]

Was time for an upgrade anyway, but I flat out cannot budget for a half decent graphics card, in today's market at least.

I had an AMD FX 8370, 2x4gb ddr3, and an MSI GTX 980 OC 2

I saved the drives, tested my ram in another pc I have as a paperweight, essentially a school computer. Didn't post. I don't have another AM3+ board to test the cpu

[earnest olive]

oooof

hope that gtx 980 is saveable

definitely the star of the build lol

did you clean it and test it?

[void turtle]

Doubt it. Pcb got doused

[earnest olive]

there's a chance if the power supply shut down instantly and saved it

not a high chance but still a chance

[void turtle]

Nope I didn't have any alcohol and the stores in my area were closed. The pc did turn off when it happened

[earnest olive]

I'd still try

if that gpu still works you better give that power supply a soldier's funeral

[void turtle]

I didn't mean to derail this conversation, sorry

I'll try the gpu in a buddy's rig if I have the chance

[earnest olive]

nah, you're not derailing anything

make sure you give that gpu a good cleaning

[void turtle]

I now have in storage a R5 1600x, MSI Tomahawk b350 board, and 2x4 ddr4 ram. Don't remember the speed

[earnest olive]

that's a steep upgrade from the fx 8370

would be nice if you could get 16gb ram

also I want some tea now

[void turtle]

But trying to get a new gpu in today's market seems like highway robbery. I haven't followed the market releases or trends in about 3 years, so I know very little about the best option for the $, as much as I hate that phrase

[gritty rover]

Would this be proper orientation for exhaust fan

I’m putting it in back of case

[void turtle]

Is there an arrow molded into the plastic of the frame?

[gritty rover]

There’s arrows but it’s somewhat confusing, I figured out the right way it goes tho from the blades!

[earnest olive]

that is a correct exhaust orientation

[gritty rover]

Yay

[void turtle]

I have pea brain and the blade direction always confuse me. I usually try to use the arrows, or, if I have intake fans in the front I just mimic the exhaust fan the same way

[gritty rover]

Oooo yea

It okay tho

[void turtle]

It's a wonder I've ever gotten past post with anything I've worked on

[earnest olive]

just remember that the fan blows air from the pretty side to the less pretty side lol

I bought some tea

[void turtle]

Lol it's just good curb appeal

I like Arizona green tea

[earnest olive]

kinda got robbed but I'm about to go into a 3 hour lab and I need some caffeine

[void turtle]

Good luck

Hope it goes well

[earnest olive]

$3 for this

my school do be scalping tea

[void turtle]

Ooooofiter

[earnest olive]

at least it's good

[rugged sparrow]

So the cooling on my pc isnt the best so, should I buy the 5 pack of p12s and like a 40-50 dollar cpu cooler or should I buy a case and an aio

[mossy venture]

whats your cpu

[rugged sparrow]

r7 5800x

[mossy venture]

id highly recommend a liquid freezer ii, 240mm or 280mm

dark rock 4 pro works

which is a heatsink

but youre going to need good airflow in addition to a very good heatsink (the heatsink being the dark rock 4 pro)

im not sure if theres any other heatsinks that compare to aios

[rugged sparrow]

because I have the prebuilt https://www.newegg.com/asus-ga15dk-ds776/p/N82E16883221675?Description=asus strix desktop&cm_re=asus_strix desktop-_-83-221-675-_-Product&quicklink=true

which I bought for 1650

[mossy venture]

ahh

def gonna wanna change that case

[rugged sparrow]

ya

[mossy venture]

mx cougar-g air max or whatever it is works]

[rugged sparrow]

and cpu cooler because its really loud at somepoints

[mossy venture]

id replace the case first and go from there

[rugged sparrow]

ok

[mossy venture]

whats the budget for the case?

[rugged sparrow]

Id probably say under 100

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7fn8TW/cougar-mx330-g-air-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330-g-air this is one option

p400a digital is still 100$

so id go with the cougar

and it comes with fans

[rugged sparrow]

I just got this pc and I don't want to keep bothering my parent to keep buying stuff for my computer

[mossy venture]

id say with the different case the cpu temps would be bearable

probably around 90c but i dont think high enough to cause damage to the cpu

just as long as youre not doing super intense multi core loads

and then maybe get an AIO later on when you can bother your parents again lol

[rugged sparrow]

lmao, ya I did a cpu test and temps hit 91 and when I play games like warzone and gta 5, val, it gets to like 80

[mossy venture]

better temps than i thought youd be getting

on a 5800x?

[rugged sparrow]

ya

[mossy venture]

not bad

[rugged sparrow]

what is throttling on a 5800x?

[mossy venture]

95c

[rugged sparrow]

ok

[mossy venture]

tho id keep it under 90

[rugged sparrow]

I keep HWmonitor open on almost all the time to see what temps I get while playing games

[twin spindle]

can you get away with generic soundcard or do people buy brands?

[rugged sparrow]

@mossy venture I watched most of this and he had a hard time removing the I/O shield, and looks like a pain to move cases, but I am not sure if that is for every prebuilt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp5oDQw1ZW8 1:48:50

[mossy venture]

yo @earnest olive you got a link to 6900xt oc formula vs 3090?

[earnest olive]

wdym

[mossy venture]

theres a bench yall use for comparing 6900xt oc formula to 3090 often but idk where to find it and someone is currently saying 6900xt loses to 3080

[earnest olive]

no idea just look at individual games ig

6900xt will lose to 3080 when rt is involved

[strong raft]

Old msg, thought I'd let ya know there's a 12300 & it's simply an oc'd 12100 that's almost 12400 price.

[mossy venture]

pain

[maiden pine]

I just upgraded from an intel to a amd, now have a 5600x, b550 phantom 4 and 16 gb pny 3200, whenever i hit the power button the debug lights all come on, and then switch off a little, and then all turn off and the pc boots

is this something i should be worried about?

[strong raft]

Ikr. It's like they do it for those you don't know/realize the standard 12100 is 98% of the performance. I'd like to see a 8P0E cpu, the wont happen since plain 12700 already has E cores

[thorn marten]

to an average person

5.2 sounds a lot better than 5.0

[strong raft]

If it's all within a second while booting, seems about normal. If longer, I'll let someone else talk.

[maiden pine]

yeah i press it, it goes like cpu dram, they turn off, vga and boot turn on, then off and it botos

boots*

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zTn3C6

Bit late but ye

[mossy venture]

that sounds normal

[maiden pine]

awesome

just wanted to make sure i dont mess smthng up ignoring it

[strong raft]

Average dumb person maybe. 5.2 to 5 is pretty close. VS something like 3gen going 3.6 to 3.7 😅. Sure is an ez way to get an extra $50/50% from a buyer. Big yikes

[mossy venture]

maybe theyll make a better 13100

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx-6800-xt-gaming-x-trio-16g/p/N82E16814137621?Item=N82E16814137621&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-fixitfixitfixit&AFFID=3892497&AFFNAME=fixitfixitfixit&ACRID=1&ASUBID=&ASID=&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=3892497&ranSiteID=xEnkxWJHsFM-7EYvB8HPkxTsfguP8lwRog hows this compare to that 6800xt

[strong raft]

I'd hope so. Doubt it'll be too similar to 12100/12300. Bet it'll be a decent change, unlike 10gen to 11gen. Even if we rarely actually upgrade only 1 cpu gen.

[fossil cedar]

More expensive lol, slightly more higher end but eh

I suppose only 10$ more ye

[shrewd fjord]

hey so umm my b560 tomahawk wifi is having trouple connecting to my 2.4 GHZ wifi channel but is fine to connect to my 5G one, i am downstairs so i need the 2.4 instead any tips on how to fix
and sometimes it will connect if i can get it to show up but then i cant download anything even though it says connected

[whole oriole]

Hi guys, having some trouble getting my new computer to boot up windows 10 from my old hard drive, I am using a z590-e gaming wifi board from asus and I keep ending up at the bios screen, any tips on how to fix this?

[earnest olive]

old windows install is probably MBR format

try enabling CSM in bios

[whole oriole]

How do I do that?

[earnest olive]

google it, i'm not familiar with asus bios, sorry

[south kite]

You should be doing a fresh install really

[whole oriole]

So I should just get a windows 11 license downloaded?

[south kite]

Did you buy an ssd?

You can install windows for free

[whole oriole]

I bought 2 nvme drives

[potent portal]

Don't pay full retail for windows. You can either try to transfer your old license or buy a new one cheap. Plenty of places to get $5-25 keys. We can't link them though, potential legal issues with gray market.

[whole oriole]

That's another problem I'm having actually, my computer is only reporting the 1

[south kite]

You want to install to one of the nvme drives

What’s your cpu?

[whole oriole]

11700k

[south kite]

They should all read with an 11th gen

What’s your board?

Nm

[potent portal]

Sometimes the board disables a m.2 slot if you have a sata device in too

[south kite]

Yeah maybe the hdd is doing that

[whole oriole]

Asus z590-e
The m.2 drives are in slots 1 and 2 for 4th generation, looks like if I use sata connections 1 and 2 the 3rd generations are disabled I think

[south kite]

What nvme drives

[potent portal]

Easy solution then, move the hdd to one of the other sata ports

[south kite]

Unless the nvme is sata and not pcie

[whole oriole]

Sabrent Rocket 4.0 2TB
Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus 500GB
Firecuda 2TB hybrid is plugged into the 3rd sata spot

[potent portal]

Ok so they should all show up then

But in bios it's only got which 2?

[whole oriole]

The Rocket 4 plus and the Firecuda

[potent portal]

Ok
Which slot is the rocket 4.0 in

[south kite]

1 and 2 are both gen 4x4

Maybe just reseat it

[whole oriole]

Might try that, and the 4 plus is in slot 1

[potent portal]

The first and second m.2 slots share bandwidth

Try the third slot

Since the cpu only has 20 lanes even if it worked it would mean either the gpu or the drives would be dropped half bandwidth

[south kite]

Yeah he’s right

Gpu would go to 8x if it did work

I hate they put crap on boards you really can’t use

[whole oriole]

Can I use a 4th gen m.2 in a gen 3 slot?

[south kite]

Yeah

It will just max out at gen 3 speeds unfortunately

I’m pretty sure to get more than 1 gen 4 nvme you gotta go AMD or intel 12th gen

[potent portal]

AMD doesn't do more than one gen 4 also on consumer boards

Pretty sure 12th gen is the same

[whole oriole]

Why would they give me 2 gen 4 slots then? Lol

[potent portal]

Well you could use both if you didn't have a gpu lol

[south kite]

X570 can do 2

[potent portal]

I've been ignoring X570 for so long I guess I forgot lol. B550 is better usually

[south kite]

Yes it’s better value but if you wanna use two gen 4 nvme then x570 is needed

I got this board used for a steal or I’d have bought b550

[potent portal]

That and the vrm design on B550 is newer

So they overclock better

They're also more likely to support 5000 series out of the box

[stoic island]

The x570 chipset fan is also another point of failure

[south kite]

Dude sold me a 3800x, asus x570 e gaming, rm850, Corsair case and. 1TB 970 evo for $500

[stoic island]

That works

[south kite]

Couldn’t pass that up and sold all but the mobo which I put a 5800x in

[strong raft]

Sort of sure they didn't. 1st pcie slot for gpu is 4.0 (16 lanes), 1st m.2 slot is also gen4 (4lanes). The other m.2 slots are all gen 3 probably. Afaik

[south kite]

I’ll sell this x570 well before the fan dies 😬

[south kite]

It’s listed gen 4 but if he uses both 1 and 2 then the Gpu gets 8 lanes

[viral ore]

gpu at 4.0 only needs 8 lanes tbh

[south kite]

True also

[viral ore]

hell I run my 3080 at 3.0 x8

works totally fine

gpus simply dont need more bandwidth than that yet

[strong raft]

Yeah that's fine just didn't know some z590 mobos have more than 1 gen 4 m.2 slot, that's good

[viral ore]

until 24gb+ of vram becomes commonplace

[south kite]

I didn’t either till I looked at his manual

[viral ore]

and graphics apis dont really change all that much

like, the amount of bandwidth doesnt really increase an awful lot, think about pcie 2.0 x16 gpus

in 15 or so years, we have only quadrupled available gpu pcie bandwidth

[strong raft]

Yeah 3.0 x4 seems the sort of cutoff for modern cards. Bit bigger performance penalty if you went that far.

[viral ore]

yeah, i dont think pcie 5.0 will be coming to consumer platforms for years to come

well i suppose it wouldnt suprise me if it was used for the chipset link

but suddenly your montherboards just got much more expensive to manufacture to handle 5.0 speeds that literally no consumer will use for a decade

[whole oriole]

Seeing as my cpu only supports 20 pci-e lanes, does that mean I can only have 1 m.2 alongside my graphics card?

[obsidian wigeon]

No

Mobo does have its own lanes too

From the chipset

[whole oriole]

So how many do I have total (if you happen to know or where I can look lol) with my 11700k and z590-e?

[obsidian wigeon]

Ya could look up mobo's specs in asus site

[whole oriole]

Thanks man!

[south kite]

You can use 3 and 4 but they are gen 3

[little osprey]

Will a 5600 G bottleneck a 3080

[potent portal]

No*

[desert gulch]

At 360p maybe

[potent portal]

Or in cs:go

[desert gulch]

Or maybe 720p

[little osprey]

Thanks

[stoic island]

well tEcHniCallY
/s

If you already have the 5600g, it wouldn't be too noticable

[mossy venture]

What b550 is recommended for a 5600g? Preferable no bios update needed since they don't have a 5000 or 3000 series cpu

Theyre rebuilding from an hp build

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi

It has flashback incase it doesn't come with 5000 apu support

[mossy venture]

Thanks

[fossil cedar]

Np

[digital trail]

hi

what is best of motherboard Asus Hero or Strix ?

[rugged sparrow]

What would the temps be on a R7 5800x with a scythe fuma 2

[marsh sluice]

not 5800x, but max temps on 5950x is 84, with avg as 53 according to hwinfo64. that was running cinebench r23 for 10min. no throttling.

[earnest olive]

5800x typically runs a bit hotter than 5950x

with PBO/CO my galahad 360 is barely keeping my 5800x from throttling in prime95

around 83C at 160W PPT

[digital trail]

Hello

what is best of motherboard Asus Hero or Strix ?

[earnest olive]

cinebench r23 will run like 72c at 130W

[earnest olive]

hero is still a strix board lol

why do you want the "best" motherboard if you're only pairing with a 5800x?

only makes sense to drop $400 on a mobo if you've already got a 5950x + 3090 and still want to burn more money

[digital trail]

Asus ROG X570 Crosshair VIII HERO (Wi-Fi) ATX Motherboard with PCIe 4.0, on-board Wifi 6 (802.11Ax), 2.5 Gbps LAN, USB 3.2, SATA, M.2, Node and Aura Sync RGB Lightin

[earnest olive]

I've been over this with you yesterday

[digital trail]

Not best what is better Hero or Strix ?

[earnest olive]

both are so overkill it doesn't matter

even a 5950x is not very hard to drive for a motherboard

peaks at like 230W? midrange b550 vrms can handle that no problem

no

thermal throttling

[still roost]

alex_1234#8282 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[earnest olive]

@digital trail stop looking at motherboards that cost more than your cpu

if you're not going to listen to anything what's the point of asking here

[digital trail]

Only a difference of about $26

….

[marsh sluice]

do you want or need the feature set the board provides?

[earnest olive]

if you know better than all of us then go buy whatever you want

[digital trail]

I didn’t say that

I just say what is better

[marsh sluice]

better for what?

[digital trail]

…..

[marsh sluice]

Strix, it's fewer characters to type

[digital trail]

what do mean?

[cursive wharf]

Are you doing LN2/Dry Ice OCing?

[digital trail]

me ?

[cursive wharf]

Aye

[marsh sluice]

what is it you want to do with the build? look at the feature sets, search the internet, read the spec sheets and make up your own mind. both are quality high priced mb

[earnest olive]

no point trying to convince him buying a mobo that costs more than his CPU isn't worth it, dude made up his mind

paying $400 to gain 0.0% performance over a midrange $150 board

[digital trail]

I do not understand

[marsh sluice]

then you can get by on a b550 board

[earnest olive]

probably not even going to oc

set xmp and call it a day on a $400 board 💀

[mossy venture]

out of pure curiosity, what could an asrock b550m/ac handle?

i dont think the vrms are that good on it

[earnest olive]

oc 5600x or stock/uv 5800x should do fine

do you have vrm airflow?

[mossy venture]

i am very dull when it comes to vrms

i recently learned what they are

[cursive wharf]

Then I doubt you are overclocking at all. In which case you are wasting massive amounts of money on a motherboard. You should basically never spend more then $200 USD on a consumer board unless you are looking for a specific feature ($200 is still a lot of money for a board that doesnt have a specific feature). Also, 12th gen Intel is better priced then AMD in most places of the world as of now.

[mossy venture]

so i have no clue

if you tell me what to look for or smthn like that i could tell you

if it contributes at all, i have good airflow in my case

[little osprey]

would i be fine if i mix and match ram in my laptop

it has some random OEM 4gb ddr4 2400 stick in there rn

[jagged ember]

probably

[mossy venture]

depends on die

[jagged ember]

but just get two of the same ram

[mossy venture]

if the dies are the same manufacturer it doesnt matter

[jagged ember]

ensures compatibility

[mossy venture]

while on the topic

does dell use the same dies for all ram?

[jagged ember]

iunno

for all I know they could be using their own die lol

[cursive wharf]

PCBs and binning can make a difference

It's very rare for mixing DIMMs to causes issues. When it does it's usually cuz the mobo is being dumb with mem training

[mossy venture]

then im unlucky

i corrupted windows with incompatible ram

and blue screened a ton because i refused to admit the ram was the issue

hp ram mixed with g skill ram

didnt know the manu mattered, thought the "die matching" just meant the timings

[marsh sluice]

timing could be off

[cursive wharf]

Did you make sure that mem was retrained when adding new RAM (boot up takes longer, most computers boot loop few times)?

[mossy venture]

i barely knew anything about pcs when i had them mixed

so i have no clue

but the die manus were definitely different

the g skill had a samsung iirc

hp had micron

[little osprey]

GNRC-SODIMM 4GB 2400MHz 1.2v D

is this just a nickname for the ram

very unhelpful info from HP

[mossy venture]

if you search the model number you can find the exact same stick, that isnt the model number though

though obviously hp charges a premium

[little osprey]

im not buying it from HP lmao

[mossy venture]

if i were you id just grab a 55$ 16gb kit off amazon

[mossy venture]

3200c22 kit is what i saw for that price

which is a jedec

[cursive wharf]

There are a whole lot of timings. Advertised timings are generally just the primary ones. Secondary/Tertiary arent advertised and are based on mobo mem training unless you manually set each number (different form XMP)

[little osprey]

My laptop cant even support 3200

[mossy venture]

2933c19 is on there too

which i believe is also jedec

[little osprey]

its an i3-8130U

[mossy venture]

ah

prolly dont need 16gb then for what youre doing id imagine

[little osprey]

Yes im just getting another 8gb stick so i have 12gb total

windows 11 is struggling on 4gb

[mossy venture]

its HP you said?

[little osprey]

Yes

[mossy venture]

can you link the model laptop you have? gonna see if i can find what ram it uses

[little osprey]

14-df0023cl

[earnest olive]

@mossy venture ryzen chips aren't nearly as demanding on vrms as high end intel

most b550 boards can run a 5800x

maybe not to full potential

but can run

[mossy venture]

kingston makes ram dies right?

it seems thats what hp 14 laptops use

[earnest olive]

basically any bottom of the barrel board will run a 5600x

[mossy venture]

thanks

i figured itd easily run a 5600x, since it obviously runs a 3600 and the guy said he had a 3800x in it before me

(the guy being the person i bought it from)

[little osprey]

is this too much to charge for 8gb

[mossy venture]

eh

not too much more than whats on amazon

but

im pretty sure the ram is kingston

[earnest olive]

even bottom tier a520 boards can handle 5600x

[mossy venture]

i didnt even know a520s existed

never seen one lol

[little osprey]

https://www.crucial.com/memory/DDR4/CT8G4SFS824A?

[earnest olive]

look at the a520 aorus pro lmao

or was it aorus elite

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-2400MHz-PC4-19200-SODIMM-Laptop/dp/B01HOM9IZ4/

[mossy venture]

i believe this is the right ram https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-8GB-DDR4-2666MHZ-SODIMM/dp/B07D3NG9MG/ref=sr_1_8?

[earnest olive]

I have no idea why they made that board

[mossy venture]

from what i can tell hp uses kingston dies for hp 14s

[little osprey]

Wait can you see die manufacturer on hwinfo

yes right

[earnest olive]

why did they make such a nice a520 board

[mossy venture]

sips?

also ill check it out

[earnest olive]

costs more than quite a few b550s too

[earnest olive]

no, try thaiphoon burner

[little osprey]

Ill try to look at the ram on hwinfo one sec

Oh

Ok well ill install that instead

[earnest olive]

or just open up your prebuilt

it's probably using bare ram

[mossy venture]

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-AORUS-Elite-Realtek-Motherboard/dp/B08J9PKJ4D/ref=sr_1_1?crid=128EOPQ1JOKM0&keywords=aorus+a520+elite&qid=1645115833&sprefix=aorus+a520+elite%2Caps%2C81&sr=8-1

[mossy venture]

its a laptop

[earnest olive]

oh

open up the laptop then, it's definitely using bare ram

[mossy venture]

110$ a520

[earnest olive]

looking directly at the dies is the most reliable way to find out what the die is

[mossy venture]

whats the point instead of a b550

[earnest olive]

but honestly

mixing dies is not a problem at all if you're just going to run jedec

[little osprey]

theres adhesive rubber feet attached that cant stick back onto the laptop so id have to buy new feet for it

[earnest olive]

die doesn't matter if you're not going to oc

[little osprey]

but i guess i dont need the rubber feet that much

[mossy venture]

wat

[earnest olive]

ah

[mossy venture]

the screws are glued in as well

dont bother

[earnest olive]

I hate laptops that hide screws like that

so annoying

[mossy venture]

i took apart an old hp laptop with the same thing

[jagged ember]

I mean the best you could do would be double sided tape

[mossy venture]

took me 30 min to get the screws off after fighting to get the feet off

[little osprey]

Theres not even a regular sata cable so you can plug in an hdd

so sad

[jagged ember]

for the stupid feet

[earnest olive]

you can just buy whatever ram you want as long as it has the same or higher speed bin

[little osprey]

they recycled the design of the laptop from last gen that included 2.5 inch sata drive compatibility but for some reason this laptop doesnt have that cable

there just an empty rectangle spot 😔

[jagged ember]

bruh

[earnest olive]

lmao

my laptop

is a 2021 refresh of the 2020 gp66

and they kept the chassis the same except

they changed the usb-c for mini displayport

I want the usb-c back...

[little osprey]

Bruh

[earnest olive]

I'm never going to use this mini displayport lmao

[little osprey]

My laptop is so lame it doesn’t have the better usb c

i forgot what it’s called

[earnest olive]

why would I need to drive 3 screens with my laptop

😭

thunderbolt?

mine doesn't have thunderbolt either

[little osprey]

Yeah that

[earnest olive]

don't need it

[mossy venture]

oh sips i thought that id make you dissapointed

[little osprey]

The regular usb C port is pointless

[mossy venture]

i opened up my brothers laptop last night to show him the temps arent an issue

he had multiple ad wares, a trojan crypto miner virus as well as SO MUCH BLOATWARE

hes 18, and managed that

[little osprey]

Lol

[mossy venture]

with windows defender active

[earnest olive]

I think you should give your brother a macbook

[mossy venture]

lol

[little osprey]

im actually saving up for a macbook

Hopefully the M2

[mossy venture]

the worst part is

[earnest olive]

well now I'm really disappointed

[mossy venture]

its SO overkill for what he does

the laptop

[earnest olive]

I thought you were better than this cameron

[little osprey]

😂

[mossy venture]

most demanding thing he does is fallout 4

[earnest olive]

well, at least someone is making use of it with that miner trojan

[mossy venture]

the weirder thing is

it was a cpu miner

[little osprey]

Im tryna get into music production a little and logic pro x is only on mac

[mossy venture]

not a gpu

[earnest olive]

I mean

considering how many laptops out there don't have gpu

[mossy venture]

true

[little osprey]

And overall i just think i would be better off with a mac for productivity

[earnest olive]

and gamers tend to be a little savvier than the people that usually fall for these viruses

spreading a cpu miner is probably a better use of time lol

[mossy venture]

remembrant is hitting shelves soon tho

[little osprey]

35 minutes to download thaiphoon burner ?!

[earnest olive]

what

that's a couple megabytes

[mossy venture]

16 series perf on apus

i cant see that emote

im going to hope its the right one

school internet fun

[little osprey]

[mossy venture]

cant see server icons, emojis, pfps

not even my own pfp

[little osprey]

At least you can access discord

[mossy venture]

just this

true

it looks so bad tho

[little osprey]

i cant even sign in to my google account at school

[mossy venture]

cursed

[little osprey]

they blocked the google sign on page

[mossy venture]

F

[little osprey]

everything you do has to be microsoft i guess

[mossy venture]

part of the reason i bought a laptop is bc i was so tired of my school laptop

slow asf, first off

second everything was blocked

[little osprey]

i got one because i need a laptop for the summer time

not for gaming just for like office 365 apps and discord

[mossy venture]

i also like having it for late night gaming when my family is asleep because my moms room is right next to mine, and for travel

though i dont travel often

[little osprey]

@earnest olive how do i see die manufacturer? i got thaiphoon burner running now '

[earnest olive]

read spd

can I ask why you want to see this though

[little osprey]

Just curious

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-2400MHz-PC4-19200-SODIMM-Laptop/dp/B01HOM9IZ4/

thinking of buying this for my laptop

says samsung

[earnest olive]

as long as the speed bin is the same or higher, it doesn't matter what die

any mixed dies will run jedec with each other

already said this

[little osprey]

😂 oops]

Okay thanks sips I will go ahead and just buy this

[earnest olive]

do you currently have 2400mhz ram

[little osprey]

Yes

😔

[earnest olive]

then should be fine

[neat reef]

What's the best 500gb or 1TB M.2 SSD for gaming that's affordable? Otherwise I'll go for the WD Black or the Samsung one

[desert gulch]

Mp33/sn550

P31 is great if looking for a nicer drive

But those first two are great for most people

Sn570 is good too

[little osprey]

so rn on newegg their is a rtx 3070 for $1074.99 and a rtx 3060 ti for $749.99, im upgrading from a gtx 1080 FTW, what GPU should i do? i also have a ryzen 5 5600x if that helps

bc the RTX 3070 was known for being stronger than a rtx 2080 ti

[neat reef]

Thanks

[little osprey]

but the rtx 3060 ti is the same gpu power as a rtx 2080 super

[mossy venture]

3070= 2080 ti, 3060 ti=2080 super

At those prices, 3060 ti is better to buy

[little osprey]

yeah u right, also for some reason the gtx 1080 i have is going for $999.99 minimum on ebay, should i sell my gtx 1080 for like $800 and buy the rtx 3060 ti or should i wait for lower prices, and a safer chance of selling my gpu and not going without a working pc for who knows how long if something goes wrong

[mossy venture]

Where do you live?

[little osprey]

florida

[mossy venture]

1080s don't cost that much

Look at sold listings, not current listings

[little osprey]

well gpu prices in florida are still kinda dumb on ebay

[mossy venture]

There's a gpu shortage everywhere

1080s don't go for that much

[little osprey]

well i have a evga gtx 1080 ftw hybrid

[desert gulch]

Then just keep thaf

[stoic island]

Do keep in mind ebay is a bit dumb

[little osprey]

oh prices dropped

[desert gulch]

It's still a good card

[little osprey]

ehhhh, its getting bullied by newer games

my poor card cant push past 80 fps on some games on just high settings, on medium settings some games do 100fps if im lucky

and with a newer card it would have better driver support

[stoic island]

Some games just aren't well optimized

[little osprey]

maybe for my birthday i could ask for a rtx 3060 ti lol, and then maybe give my gtx 1080 to my sister, she is running a rx 570 atm

[stoic island]

80fps is still quite high tbh

I can't really get past 80fps on tarkov with my 3060ti

[little osprey]

not really i play competitive games and i would try to reach a smooth 144fps or 165fps

and 80fps looks janky on a 165hz monitor

[stoic island]

If competitive games aren't giving you 144fps at 1080p with a 1080 I think there's a decent chance of CPU bottleneck

[little osprey]

well i mean tarkov is well... tarkov

[little osprey]

i have a ryzen 5 5600x

idk if its a cpu bottleneck

[stoic island]

What kinda competitive game are you playing

80fps with a 1080 at 1080p

[little osprey]

csgo, rocket league, fortnite every bluemoon, and cod bo3

those are my main games

[stoic island]

Other than Fortnite being badly optimized nowadays, what you have should easily do 144fps in csgo and rocket league

Bo3 is old so it should also be doable

You sure you don't have some weird resolution setting?

[little osprey]

well also i have a 1080 thats meant to overclock to stupid high levels so i might need to check that

[mossy venture]

I got 60 fps on medium in bo3 with a 1030 and 3470

[little osprey]

nope, 1920x1080 16:9

[stoic island]

Like check nvcp if dsr is on 1.5x or smth

Also drivers

[little osprey]

figured it out, gpu underclocked and underpowered

lemme see the performance diff

[stoic island]

Fun

[little osprey]

i dont even remember underclocking it

but oh well

[neat reef]

why should i not get the WD Black 500GB SN750 over the SN550? Same price and the WD Black is up to 3600MB/s vs 2400MB/s

[desert gulch]

Those sticker speeds don't really matter

For the average user, you won't notice the difference

Especially for the price

[neat reef]

luckily they are the same price for me so might as well go for the black

[fossil cedar]

What price is the sn750? I mean if it's same price sure but what country are you in?

[neat reef]

canada, same price on amazon rn

63.99 for the wd black and 61.74 for the blue

[fossil cedar]

I'd go sn550 for 58.50
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/zFK2FT/western-digital-blue-sn550-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds500g2b0c

[jagged ember]

550 is a good drive already

[potent portal]

SN570 is a tier higher and I've seen it cheap too

Maybe not in Canada but something to look for

[thin oar]

Does anyone know the difference between the z trio and the x trio?

[potent portal]

Binning mostly

[stoic island]

Slight differences in boost clocks, I don't think they use different heatsinks

[thin oar]

Ah, thanks

[earnest olive]

x trio was discontinued in favor of z trio so msi wouldn't have to honor preorders after realizing they could jack up retail prices

they changed the backplate from plastic to metal so they could say they did something

[thin oar]

Thanks!

[little osprey]

hey yall so this guy is offering a rtx 3060 ti for $750 and he said he would do a trade and the card i have is a gtx 1080 ftw hybrid which goes for $450 on ebay and is around 30% weaker than the rtx 3060 ti, how much money should i offer with my gtx 1080?

[thin oar]

like $200

a 3060 ti isn’t worth that much

[fossil cedar]

300 is fair

[fossil cedar]

Ye it is

[thin oar]

ah

[fossil cedar]

3060 ti is only 10% worse than a 3070

[thin oar]

Nvm

it’s worth it

[little osprey]

well im gonna talk with the guy and see what he says

ok so the dude said he would do the gtx 1080 with $150 in cash

and i offered if he wanted $200 and he declined and said $150

so yay got lucky lol

[south kite]

Oh wow

[thin oar]

very lucky jeez

[little osprey]

well i should have a rtx 3060 ti by sunday

[south kite]

That’s a steal

[little osprey]

well also he said the gtx 1080 i have can go for $500 or more so

the math adds up ig

[south kite]

Yeah but it’s still a 5 year old card

The market makes it worth more than it should be

[little osprey]

its still a strong ass card for its age

[thin oar]

holy cow, you’re getting it cheaper than I do in my country

£477

you can get 2060’s for that price :/

[south kite]

Yeah but if cards were on shelves it would be like a $200 card

[little osprey]

no its $750 for us americans

its just im trading a up to $500 card and paying $150 cash

[fossil cedar]

Sick deal

[little osprey]

ikr

[south kite]

Yeah I’d trade that all day

[fossil cedar]

Nah it still performs around 3060 level

So would be like a ~$250 card if prices weren't wack

[little osprey]

well he said that him and i will meet and trade and i asked him if its ok if i bring a small test rig to make sure both cards work to make sure its a safe trade

[fossil cedar]

Good idea

[little osprey]

well yay by sunday ill have a rtx 3060 ti

[south kite]

Hope it works out for you

[little osprey]

i really hope so to lol

[mossy venture]

congrats

did he show proof of it working?

[little osprey]

he sent a vid, but i asked if i can bring a small rig to test both cards and he agreed

[mossy venture]

nice

[thin oar]

Do you know the model, just curious

[whole oriole]

Is my RAM speed limited by my cpu?

[sharp temple]

Depends

[fossil cedar]

To an extent

[sharp temple]

What cpu do you have?

[whole oriole]

11700k

[fossil cedar]

What motherboard too

[whole oriole]

Asus Z590-e gaming wifi

[fossil cedar]

Yeah you'll have no issues with ram speed

[whole oriole]

And I'm using 4 sticks of g. Skill 8gb 3600

[fossil cedar]

That's fine

[sharp temple]

This is on Intel website

[whole oriole]

So I can only go up to 3200?

[frank stirrup]

No

[sharp temple]

IDK pato is prob right

[frank stirrup]

intel gives suggestions

not actual supported numbers

[fossil cedar]

It means if your cpu can't do 3200mhz ram at jedec it's defective

[sharp temple]

Ah ok, so what is the max? And how can you tell?

[frank stirrup]

depends on binning

of the chip

[sharp temple]

Ok so it varies?

[whole oriole]

What's the easiest way to tell if the cpu is defective?

[frank stirrup]

yeah but there be an average that almost all chips in a gen can do

[sharp temple]

And that is?

[toxic wraith]

should i get better peripherals or save for a gaming pc? i currently have a laptop and it runs games decently

[sharp temple]

Save for pc

[stoic island]

What peripherals do you have

[potent portal]

The cpu has one of the lowest failure rates out of all the parts in the computer according to both amd and Intel. If it works at all when you start it, it's going to last a long time.

[stoic island]

Either it doesn't work when you plug it in, or you basically got a 1 in a billion defect

[mossy venture]

this is more so asking for opinions than help with a build: a friend is doing a build for a friend, budget isnt set yet since its from donations (shes deaf and was adopted to a poor family). do you guys think we should live 100$ or so on a gift card for her to get games?

[stoic island]

If they don't already own games, I think game pass will be a better idea

[mossy venture]

hoping to get around 800, me and some others together have 500$ so far

[whole oriole]

@sharp temple so it wouldn't boot up at all then, correct?

[potent portal]

The "max" speed is going to vary by motherboard more than the cpu tbh

[stoic island]

On Ryzen, IF will limit you more often, but for Intel, any modern CPU won't limit you too much

It's like one chip can handle 5000 and another could do 6000 kinda thing, you'll usually be limited by something else first

[potent portal]

You can desync IF and run faster. I've done up to 4800 with looser timings.

[stoic island]

Yea, but meta is iirc smth like 5000+ with desync

[potent portal]

Yeah if you're running at the rated xmp for the sticks the cpu is the least of your worries

[stoic island]

Unless it's like Zen

[potent portal]

It's overclocking further that the cpu bin and motherboard have a bigger impact on

[stoic island]

But other than that, xmp should not be an issue

[potent portal]

Yeah but that voltage bars it from daily use, I had 4800 22-24-24 at 1.55v

[stoic island]

Definitely not a daily thing, meant meta for like hwbot subs

[potent portal]

Oh yeah definitely, but honestly intel imc clocks better anyway

[stoic island]

Other than Zen 2 apus, Intel has been a decent bit ahead in terms of imcs

[potent portal]

Yeah 5600g is insane doing 2000 fclk

[stoic island]

I mean like 4650g&4750g pushing like 7000 mem

[slim rampart]

Hey, is there someone here who could help me out? I have a build in mind with my budget and I want some thoughts on it, especially compatibility, and just extra thoughts, (btw this would be the first pc I’d be building and I don’t know too much)

[stoic island]

Sure, what do you need?

[slim rampart]

So I have some parts that me and a friend picked out but I wanna know if everything is compatible

[stoic island]

Okay, have you used pcpp?

[slim rampart]

I’m on it rn, I tried another site but the parts wouldn’t show up

I’ll see what I can do

[stoic island]

You're welcome to paste the link when you're done, you can set custom prices on pcpp if you're getting it from somewhere else

[slim rampart]

Ok

[slim rampart]

So I made my list but I need to find a compatible motherboard

[stoic island]

You can paste it as is and I can give you some advice

[slim rampart]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4BNLk9

Here’s what I got so far

[stoic island]

What's the overall budget?

[slim rampart]

Around $1000

I just want something that can run games and everything pretty well

[stoic island]

To start, 1650 for 300$ is a very bad value, lemme see if anything decent in stock atm

[slim rampart]

Ok

[stoic island]

@slim rampart Are you comfortable with going used or no?

[slim rampart]

Yes as long as it’s in a good condition I’m fine with used

[stoic island]

Well, to start, it would be a good idea to watch r/hws for deals on ~300$ 1070/980ti, or better, I'll make a quick list for what's possible with the current market, not a good value build imo because of GPU prices, but usable

[slim rampart]

Yeah, I heard the GPU prices we’re supposed to be going down this year but idk

[stoic island]

Here's a start
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jh6nQ6
~~https://pcpartpicker.com/list/92KJxs~~

[stoic island]

No one really knows when GPUs are going back to normal, anyone can make a prediction, but things are just too muddy, there's no real way to tell how much demand there is and how much actual supply there is

[mossy venture]

is the cpu or mobo already bought?

oh

used, i see

[stoic island]

oh wait

meant to do 5600g

[mossy venture]

ahhh

[stoic island]

for igp, since GPUs bad

Anyways, that's a start to look at, 5600g for the decent iGPU for use while looking for a GPU

If you do find a GPU right away, you can swap to doing a 12100 or 12400 build

[slim rampart]

I’m kinda confused, sorry

[mossy venture]

10400 imo, leave more room for gpu

and while the 12100f does beat 10400 in single core patos pointed out that the extra 2 cores helps it a good bit more

oh wait

12100f is much cheaper isnt it

40$ cheaper, nvm

[stoic island]

Ye, and 12400 if they do need the CPU power

and tbh, I prefer 12400 when possible

bit more headroom is nice

[little osprey]

what ram should i buy instead of ballistix now for 16gb 3600

[desert gulch]

Ballistix will still be around for a bit

Warehouses still have it and stuff

[little osprey]

Not when im ready to build tho

[mossy venture]

gskill is decent, but as for good ram ive no clue

[little osprey]

I don’t want warranty to run out before i actually start using it

[little osprey]

Yeah same

i know the ripjaws are meh but ballistix was the no brainer

[mossy venture]

im not sure theres much ram thats as good as ballistix for the price

im glad i picked up a 32gb 3200c16 kit from them when it was on sale

[little osprey]

damn

[desert gulch]

Some ddr4 bdie may be on epic sale around that time

[strong raft]

Mainly if trying to OC it a bunch. G.Skill 4000c18 is ok at $135ish & Ballistix 3200c16 is still currently $115ish, so not too bad. I bet there'll be another $90-100 sale eventually (to clear stock or w/e).

[potent portal]

B-die has been under $100 lately pretty consistently

Not just g.skill but oloy and patriot I've seen

[strong raft]

Oh right on, gotta keep my eyes open more.

[potent portal]

They're not all on pcpp, so you'll have to check wegg and Amazon once in a while

I can ping you if I see one

[little osprey]

Nah it’s fine, im not building that soon anyways

im just wondering what a good alternative would be for when the time comes and what to recommend to others yk

[earnest olive]

KFConsole dethroned

[strong raft]

[strong raft]

👍

[little osprey]

micron killed off ballistix

this is so sad

alexa play despacito

[whole oriole]

Morning everyone, I'm having a bit of trouble with my build. My Asus Z590-e gaming wifi board is not picking up any wifi signals during the windows 10 install (at the point where it says I need internet). Should I be seeing my wifi connection or does something need to be set up after I load in windows?

[obsidian wigeon]

It needs wifi driver to be installed

Should be available in asus site

[whole oriole]

Gotcha, so I should proceed with the windows installation without wifi and just update later?

[obsidian wigeon]

Mhm

[whole oriole]

*thumbs up emoji

[fossil cedar]

Just continue the install without wifi, windows should install some generic drivers during setup anyway

[whole oriole]

Sounds good, and then once that's done is there a way to install drivers without access to internet?

[fossil cedar]

You should be able to use the windows generic driver to connect to the WiFi but if that doesn't work you can download somewhere else and pop them onto a usb

[whole oriole]

Might just do that while I am at work honestly

[digital trail]

hello

If there is a Bios button on the motherboard, can I update to use a CPU ?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

if there's flashback on mobo

[digital trail]

like this?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes, the flashback button

[digital trail]

thx

[digital trail]

I can without cpu?

[obsidian wigeon]

mhm

[fossil cedar]

You just need the power connected to the board

[obsidian wigeon]

just connect the mobo to a psu

and it should let you

[digital trail]

ok thank you

[digital trail]

of course

Thanks all

[fossil cedar]

Np

[serene hedge]

is this a good deal? https://www.newegg.com/p/1VK-0001-5N9P5?item=9SIADGYFNF8462&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=DD021222&cm_mmc=EMC-DD021222-_-EMC-021222-Index-_-DesktopComputers-_-9SIADGYFNF8462-S7A2A&ignorebbr=1

[fossil cedar]

No

[gritty rover]

I only have these three front connectors

I’m trying to figure out why my pc isn’t turning on

[fossil cedar]

Make sure they're in the correct places

[gritty rover]

Alright

[potent portal]

I've seen some confusing front panel diagrams. Ended up with power and reset switched a couple times.

[gritty rover]

Oohhh :(((

Yeah I still haven’t had any luck with it turning on

I’m gonna take a break

[south kite]

The only one that you HAVE to do is the power sw. there is a + and -. If it doesn’t turn on, flip it around

[gritty rover]

Thank you so much, I’m gonna try that out when I go back to it

[neat dove]

Can someone help me build a computer my budget is like 2500

Are rtx 3 series still impossible to get?

[fossil cedar]

For gaming? And what country

[fossil cedar]

Kind of

[neat dove]

Gaming USA

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RW8KZw

[neat dove]

Perfect except the 6800xt

Can I replace with Nvidia 3070ti or something?

[fossil cedar]

That's a significant downgrade

[neat dove]

Thank you sir you are right

I will buy these parts, but finding the gpu will be difficult?

[normal dawn]

Hello, i am in the market to upgrade my current setup and i am just wondering some opinions on what is going to be the best bang for my buck. i think that my CPU is the bottleneck for sure. currently i am running a ryzen 7 1700x, radeon 6700xt GPU, 32gb ram. wondering if intel is the way, or stick with AMD
wasnt really sure on where to put this question, Newegg just directed me to this server

[neat dove]

Easy get a ryzen 7 5800x

[fossil cedar]

The gpu i listed is in stock, why would you want a 3070 over a 6800xt?

[fossil cedar]

Yes an upgrade is very much needed, what motherboard do you have?

[normal dawn]

@neat dove what kind of performance jump would that be?

[fossil cedar]

5800x would be a massive jump in perf

[normal dawn]

@fossil cedar uhm i think i should probably upgrade the MOBO as wel, its a gigabyte ab350m-DS3H AM4 micro atx

[fossil cedar]

Yeah that motherboard won't be able to handle it, you might as well just go intel i5 12600k instead then

[little osprey]

im doing the cursed, running a ryzen 5 5600x on a asrock x370 boardset

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/886360247927730226.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

[normal dawn]

@fossil cedar i think the 3070 and the 6700 are fairly comparable right? and i dont mind upgrading the motherboard as well

[little osprey]

you can do amd radeon card if you want to BUT radeon is known for having very common driver issues, Nvidia drivers are known to not have issues most of the time

[scenic turret]

AMD drivers are fine this time

its more so if you want DLSS and other Nvidia software

[fossil cedar]

3060 ti and 6700xt are comparable yes but my comment above was directed at the guy above you

[fossil cedar]

They only drivers that had issues where rx 5000 series, the rest are just as good as nvidia

[little osprey]

i think im gonna get a 3060 ti soon to upgrade from my gtx 1080, need more fps

[little osprey]

well i had a 6700xt for a bit but i had issues, ig i was unlucky

[fossil cedar]

It might not be as big of an upgrade as you expected btw

[normal dawn]

@fossil cedar oh gotcha, i just feel that im just not getting the kind of power that im supposed to with the current setup, for that cpu what kind of mobo do you recommend?

[little osprey]

its what 30 somethin %? still pretty good in my eyes, im just trynna reach 165fps in some games

[fossil cedar]

If you didn't use DDU to get rid of your old nvidia drivers that was probably why

[little osprey]

at the time i never had a nvidia card

[fossil cedar]

I5 12600k(f) and a z690 if you want to overclock, b660 if you don't depending on pricing

[little osprey]

sold my 6700xt for $1000 at the time than bought a gtx 1080 for $400

[fossil cedar]

Yeah that's fair i just think gpu upgrades should be more like 50% better

@normal dawn what country are you in?

[normal dawn]

@fossil cedar i dont think i would OC, howerver, what about the 5800x?

USA

[scenic turret]

20 series to 40 series maybe 50% or more

[little osprey]

not really, a good gpu upgrade is if its 30% better

usually if the gpu is stronger than your current one by 30% or more its good to go, but dont upgrade if the gpu is only %20 better or lower

[fossil cedar]

No point going 5800x, your board cant handle it, no point buying Ryzen 5000 in 2022 unless you already have a suitable board, intel 12th gen beets it

[fossil cedar]

You do you, that's what i believe tho, 40-50% or more would only be worth it to me

[scenic turret]

12600k/B660 combo rn

with ddr4

[normal dawn]

So my best option is to go intel with the cpu and board?

[scenic turret]

for sure

[fossil cedar]

Yes

[little osprey]

like i said 30% is for a general idea, but for some people like you, you want to do a bigger upgrade which is fine

[scenic turret]

12600k outclasses the 5800x

[fossil cedar]

@normal dawn what ram and cooler do you have?

[little osprey]

surprisingly i can OC my r5 5600x to the full 4.85ghz and im using a x370 board, well a later/newer model

[fossil cedar]

What voltage?

Also I'm pretty sure it can pbo to 5ghz lol

[normal dawn]

@fossil cedar corsair water cooler, corsair vengeance 2666 i believe 32gb

[little osprey]

around 1.43, but i have a phat aio to keep it cool

[scenic turret]

ok ram definitely needs an upgrade

[fossil cedar]

Omg that's gonna degrade the crap out of your cpu

@normal dawn this is what I'd do
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TmsJVw

[little osprey]

yeah ik, i need to find a more stable voltage

[fossil cedar]

Turn it off and enable precision boost overdrive

[normal dawn]

@fossil cedar got it, that looks doable

[little osprey]

well i usually dont run at the full 4.85 ghz, usually do 4.8ghz at 1.4v

[mossy venture]

isnt 1.4v unsafe on a 5600x

[little osprey]

eh, the older cpus yes, but the newer 5th gen need a stupid amount of power to em

so to that i say yes and no

[fossil cedar]

You could also do this to save a buck
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dcTD3y

[fossil cedar]

Nope

[mossy venture]

oh pato

i havent seen benches

how big of a difference is 3200c16 vs 3600c16 on 12th gen?

[little osprey]

then whats the recommended voltage for 4.8ghz on all cores then

[fossil cedar]

Don't manual oc Ryzen 5000 for daily , recommended is pbo, it will only use safe voltage and will turbo to like 5ghz

[fossil cedar]

Believe so
https://youtu.be/6Y9S1wEtR3g

[normal dawn]

@fossil cedar so looks like since i have the h60 cooler, it doesnt support the lga1700

[fossil cedar]

Ohh it's only a 120mm radiator? Yikes you don't want to use that thing to cool a new high end cpu anyway

[mossy venture]

120mm wont even cool a 5600x with pbo

[still roost]

Sköllwulf#6035 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[normal dawn]

@fossil cedar alright so at least a 240

[fossil cedar]

@normal dawn I'd do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JpTHNc

[fossil cedar]

Well depends on the cpu, with the 12600k and no overclocking a good air cooler is all that's needed

120mms are nothing close to 240mm's in cooling capacity

120mm rads are similar to a 30$ tower cooler

[normal dawn]

@fossil cedar gotcha, it just came with the pc, i figured i would need to upgrade the CPU and mobo eventually, just really didnt know where to start

[fossil cedar]

No worries

[gritty rover]

I’m not sure if it’s in all the way, I don’t want to put too much pressure

[fossil cedar]

The side closest to the top of the case looks a bit loose

[frank stirrup]

Oh no

Thats not good

Ur gonna degrade ur chip to death at 1.4v under load

[fossil cedar]

You can put a lot of force on 24 pin it's just a pita

[gritty rover]

Wait I did it!!

I have to get an argb controller for my aio bc I only had one rgb prong for some reason

But my fans aren’t spinning

[gritty rover]

Okay I got my aio fans working but the first one keeps stopping

Sounds like something is stuck in there.., I’m gonna see what’s up

Wait I think I fixed it

[whole oriole]

How do I change which hard drive everything downloads to by default?

[whole oriole]

Nevermind, I figured it out

[modest shell]

I need some help, my computer was running fine earlier, I installed a new aio liquid cooler, I had a fan prior, now the motherboard, a asus, only stays on a orange light labeled DRAM

[sturdy crow]

Hey is there a motherboard that can be use for steaming without a graphic card?
P.S. The pc will have a elgato in it

[rain bloom]

Thinking about putting together my first build and would love some input:
CPU: Ryzen 5 5600x
GPU: RTX 1660 Super (already owned)
Mobo: B550 (not sure whether I'll go with regular or elite)
Drive: 1 TB Sata Samsung Drive (I think 970)
Ram: 2x 8 Gb Corsair 3000 mhz sticks (already owned)
PSU: Corsair 650W Gold
Case: Rosewell ATX Mid Tower
Total cost to me as is is about $550, budgeted $600 in case I need something else/more.

[analog pulsar]

whats your thoughts

[mossy venture]

ill make a build list for you

12th gen is better value currently

ok for whatever reason pcp wont let me pick this case rn

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7fn8TW/cougar-mx330-g-air-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330-g-air but this for the case

other than that, here https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8LKBPX

if you want to lower the price get the 500gb version of the mp33

[rain bloom]

I definitely like the case, but I'm curious if I need an NVME when I already have my SATA 1TB. Also, I've never done anything with intel on a desktop before, and the cpu you recommended benchmarks below the 5600x. Is that gonna be an issue? Or is it more about value per dollar?

[mossy venture]

if you alr have an ssd theres no point to the ssd

i wasnt aware you had one already

11400 is also below the 5600x

if you want 5600x level performance, youll be looking for 12400f and b660 prime

but i dont think thatll fit in your budget with a decent gpu

[rain bloom]

I already have the GPU thankfully, and I can't believe I forgot the ssd lol

[mossy venture]

6500xt?

[rain bloom]

1660 super

[mossy venture]

oh great

wait

im an idiot

just got you confused with a person i helped in #cases-psu-and-cooling

[rain bloom]

Ah, gotcha

[mossy venture]

12400f is not below a 5600x

it actually slightly beats it

https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i5-12400f-vs-amd-ryzen-5-5600x

better single core anyways

slightkly worse mc

[rain bloom]

I looked at passmark. I guess for the newbie is single core more important than multi core?

[mossy venture]

single core is more important for gaming yes

and theyre basically equivelant

12400f is just cheaper

one minute

my list is messed up now

[rain bloom]

And the ASUS board you reccomended works with the 12400f?

[mossy venture]

yes

i would also recommend new ram

both 12400f and 5600x likes 3600c16 ram

[rain bloom]

I'm not sure what c16 means, all I know is that my ram is 3000 mhz. Is that alright?

[mossy venture]

thats the timings

3000 is pretty slow

[rain bloom]

My current motherboard is throttling it at like 2700 so it will be an upgrade regardless lol

[mossy venture]

are you keeping your current case?

wait

how much of that build do you already own

gpu, ssd, ram

anything else?

[rain bloom]

No. I plan to put the prebuilt back together and sell it for like $250. I own those three as I added them in, hence my current franken-build

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/74TBPX id do this then

id sell the ram as well

i believe thats everything

correct me if im wrong

[rain bloom]

I think the ripjaws ram is cheaper than my corsair ram at 3000 lol, is that just brand difference?

I'm assuming I can pick up thermal paste and a grounding bracelet cheap?

[mossy venture]

corsair ram is normally bad, youre lucky if it can run xmp

and 3000mhz is very slow for 12th gen or any amd cpu

wait

i forgot a cooler lol

[rain bloom]

Assuming intel doesn't come with them?

[mossy venture]

i think this one does, but it is nowhere near good enough

it might as well not have one

im unsure on the cooler, because its not letting me add the one i normally use for some reason https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bmzYrD

but it should be fine for a 12400f

aight im out

dm me or ask here if you have any other questions

[gritty rover]

Can someone help me with this sound? I can’t tell if something is hitting against the top radiator fan or if the fan is defected

I’m going to try and unscrew it to see

It isn’t like that the first few seconds I boot it up

[mossy venture]

Sounds like the same sound my psu was making

[gritty rover]

Oohhh

But it’s the top radiator fan

[mossy venture]

Ah

Then yeah its a fan either hitting smthn or off balance

[gritty rover]

Ohhh okie

I’ll check the screws

Oh wow it stopped when I took out the screws 😂

I guess it was in too tight

Thanks

[gritty rover]

Is this temp ok

It’s like

3am

I turned on my pc on accident and the bios booted up, I was gonna set it up in the morning but then I saw all this

[potent portal]

Yes temps are good

[gritty rover]

Oh oki oki

[potent portal]

Idling a little over room temp, as it should be

[gritty rover]

:D! Sweet

I was going to do the bios stuff before I download OS, would that be good?

[potent portal]

Sure. You probably want to save overclocking for after OS install but anything else you need to do in bios is fine.

[gritty rover]

Ohhhh alright sweet

[fleet vine]

Anyone in here have experience with the Phanteks P500A? I'm building a PC for the first time, and I'm intimidated by all the d-rgb fans for the case and the 360 AIO's RGB fans.

[potent portal]

It comes with splitters if that's what you're worried about

And a rgb controller

@hard badge you know better lol

[earnest olive]

@hard badge they sent it back in a generic box with a crap ton of bubble wrap

the packaging was fine, I just miss the gpu box cause it's pretty

I kinda collect boxes and have a whole wall of them

and the 3090 box was the centerpiece lol

[hard badge]

Nah i don't

[hard badge]

That's lame

[potent portal]

Yeah I'd be pissed if they kept my box. That's why I always read their instructions to the letter. If they say "original packaging" that's the only time I'm shipping in the box. I even checked the wording of my smart tv, it says "well packaged to avoid damage" so yay I don't need to keep that monster box.

[earnest olive]

they did ask for original packaging if possible

I didn't really wanna risk shipping damage tbh, the graphics card is more important than the box

I've asked them to give me a box back as well as reimbursement for the thermal pads if possible

[potent portal]

That's an extra layer of BS then if they asked for the box. Hope they don't just ignore you.

But hey you have a 3090 now

[earnest olive]

well

they did replace a 3090 I physically broke with a working 3090 for free

I can't complain

yeah

it's also a pretty good sample I think

[potent portal]

I hope it's better than mine was at least. I somehow ended up in 65th place out of 57 on hwbot.

Currently I'm benching with yolo voltages on my R7 2700. I managed to bend the pins back but now SVI2 doesn't read correctly. Hwinfo read 750W during R23 🔥

I figure its usefulness has ended so I'm shoving 1.45v down the core. Shockingly I'm still under 70C.

[frank stirrup]

uh

[potent portal]

No don't worry, I've got a VRM fan. They're steady at 55C. When it dies I'm making sure the board lives.

I've snagged a couple 🏆 already

[frank stirrup]

2 mins of premature silence for the 2700

[potent portal]

Not an X, regular 2700

The 65W one

[frank stirrup]

its soon going to be an x

hehe

[potent portal]

Honestly the way its going it may just live long enough for me to get bored and go back to 5800X

No signs of slowing down yet and it can hold 4250 all core in most benches. Stock boost is 4100 single core.

[little osprey]

my 11400 slowed down after unlocking power limits

[potent portal]

Probably thermal limit

[little osprey]

nope i didnt throttle

i was monitoring temps the entire time

never went up above 90

and HWiNFO shows TJmax throttling and when you clock down

[potent portal]

If it's getting anywhere near 90 then it's throttling

[little osprey]

not according to hwinfo

[potent portal]

Unless you've got an all core oc

[little osprey]

i literally disabled allllll power limits with xtu lol

[potent portal]

Ok, what about prochot? (Intel has that right?)

Also is this on a dedicated bench os or your daily os?

Background tasks can contribute

[little osprey]

daily

[little osprey]

isnt prochot for laptops tho

[potent portal]

You're within margin of error then

[little osprey]

i should do a bench os tbh