building-and-recc-chat

[torpid nest]

with 512 gb ram

[fossil cedar]

[torpid nest]

mainly the cpus and ram are for work uses

i did add a 3070 for gaming

but wow does it NOT perform as good as a threadripper

im trying to get a 3090 from the shuffle for my build though

[merry cove]

what is the best pc for 900 dollar

[long rock]

😂

[hallow glen]

Would this be good for gaming and some light VR games? https://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-speedster-qick210-amd-radeon-rx-6500-xt-4gb-gddr6-pci-express-4-0-gaming-graphics-card-black/6495087.p?skuId=6495087

[potent portal]

I really hope you're joking

[mossy venture]

dont buy a 6500xt

its worse than a 5500xt

and 4gb is a big limit for VR

[hallow glen]

Ok. Idk I thought it was ok for my friend but I guess it's garbage

[mossy venture]

if you want to keep it around 300$ look for a 980 ti used

[mossy venture]

what psu do they have

[hallow glen]

Don't. They gonna build one

[mossy venture]

whats the overall budget?

[potent portal]

https://youtu.be/M5_oM3Ow_CI

[hallow glen]

Prob around 800-1000 when he gets money saved up

[earnest olive]

i mean probably just not informed

[mossy venture]

alr just a sec

[earnest olive]

not everyone keeps up with hardware news

[mossy venture]

is the point of the pc gaming?

[potent portal]

You're not going to be able to do a VR build under $1000 right now unless you get VERY lucky and cut a lot of corners

[earnest olive]

quite reasonable for someone casual to see a new generation graphics card in stock and wonder if it's good

[mossy venture]

eh, 10400 build with a 1080 is doable

or 2060

[fossil cedar]

If 1k you can easily put 450-500 towards gpu and get a 1080/1080 ti/6600xt/3060/3060 ti/3070/6700xt

[potent portal]

2060 on VR
I'd get sick from the low fps

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HFVWYg this with cheaper ram, build courtesty of pato

[earnest olive]

i want to go back to xx70 builds for $1000

[fossil cedar]

65 for that ram needs swap

[hallow glen]

Ok. He's not gonna have the money for a while so maybe next gen will be out by then and he can buy this gen for cheaper

[mossy venture]

i said that :P

looking for a kit now

[earnest olive]

remember when $1000 was a high-midrange budget and not entry level

[potent portal]

That was what, 3 years ago? Lol

[earnest olive]

yeah

2 even

i got into pc building 2 years ago and fit a 1080ti in a $1000 budget

[hallow glen]

Wow

[mossy venture]

this is the cheapest 3200c16 kit on pcp rn https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mcH8TW/gskill-aegis-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-16gis

[earnest olive]

i mean you can still fit a 1080ti in a $1000 budget today but 1080ti is no longer "high-midrange"

[fossil cedar]

Updated
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LhChMb

[earnest olive]

just midrange now

[hallow glen]

I only got a 3060 for 1000

[mossy venture]

but if youre not building for a while, we can check again then

[fossil cedar]

Ik just wondering how the hell it got up to 65 :/

[mossy venture]

id say its still midrange

[potent portal]

Man people that got a 2080ti for $400 when 30 series dropped... So lucky

[earnest olive]

i just said it's midrange lol

[hallow glen]

Wow

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/absolutely-not-nope-no-no-way-no-chance-gif-17243246

[earnest olive]

still better than a 3060 in raster

[mossy venture]

maybe i misunderstood, i took it as its no longer high or mid range

[hallow glen]

Crap my phone's at 2%

[earnest olive]

by high-midrange i mean the higher end of midrange

[mossy venture]

ahhh

[potent portal]

Yep. 3070 promised to compete with 2080ti at msrp of $600 so people panic sold.

[fossil cedar]

3070 msrp is actually 500

[earnest olive]

high-midrange i'd say is 2080s/3060ti/3070/3070ti/6700xt/6800 right now

[hallow glen]

MSRP is 500

Yeah

[potent portal]

Yeah I meant AIB msrp

[hallow glen]

Oh

Yeah

[potent portal]

Should have been more clear mb

[earnest olive]

current midrange would be 1080ti/titan x pascal/2070/2070S/2080/3060/5700xt/6600xt

[hallow glen]

I should have waited in line for a 3060 ti at bb when it came out. Maybe I could have got one

[earnest olive]

high end is pretty obvious

BB is scalping FE cards now

[hallow glen]

I was going to wait in line for a 3070 ti and I really should have bc my 3060 was 600(but my mom payed for half) so it would have been the same price lol

[earnest olive]

in a way that punishes normal consumers more than scalpers

lol

have to buy their $200/year membership for the chance to buy a card

[hallow glen]

Whaa

[earnest olive]

you can buy multiple per membership

[potent portal]

They did a non-members drop yesterday

[hallow glen]

That's just made for scalpers

[earnest olive]

twitter is full of scalpers/miners showing off how many more cards they're getting now

and in the latest AMD drop a single person showed that they got 79 6700xt and 14 6900xt

hahaha

laugh so the tears don't come

[hallow glen]

Wow

[earnest olive]

[potent portal]

... They could have stopped them

They have chosen money instead

[hallow glen]

The tears still came

[earnest olive]

problem is that companies have no short term incentive to do anything about scalpers

and shareholders only care about short term profits

[potent portal]

Easy way to limit
1 per address and no PO boxes
Scalpers will run out of addresses eventually

[hallow glen]

Lmao

Just change the road name

On your private road or something

[potent portal]

Nah that would make it undeliverable as addressed and returned to sender

You have to get permits and approval from the post office for stuff like that

[hallow glen]

Yeah and you would probably have to go through the government to change the road anyway

Yeah

[earnest olive]

problem is that implementing a new system costs money and they don't get any short term rewards from it

they'll get long term rewards from less people leaving the PC gaming market and positive mindshare

[potent portal]

Exactly. They've chosen money instead and don't care who it comes from.

[earnest olive]

but shareholders don't care

[hallow glen]

Bruh I remember in 2020 I was thinking about buying a 3070 for 1500 dollars lmaoo

[earnest olive]

shareholders just want to pump and dump

[hallow glen]

I was dumbass

Bought a 3060 for 600 so I guess I still am dumbass

[earnest olive]

that's not bad

better than a $600 3060

i mean

better than a $1500 3070 lol

[fossil cedar]

They did a non scam membership drop too appearantly yesterday also scan >>>> BB cough

[fossil cedar]

Wtf

[stable tinsel]

How do I fix cpu stuck on cooler

Please

[stoic island]

If twisting doesn't work, using the CPU and heating it up can help

[earnest olive]

AMD cpu?

[stable tinsel]

Yes

[earnest olive]

put cooler upside down on table so pins are facing up

grab corners of cpu carefully to not crush pins

and twist it off

if it won't come off get some dental floss and try to cut the paste with it

[stable tinsel]

Still nothing

[earnest olive]

twist harder

if you have a heat gun that might help

if floss doesn't

[stable tinsel]

I tried hair dryer

[earnest olive]

did you use the AMD stock paste? lol

they shouldn't call that stuff thermal paste, more like thermal super glue

so glad AMD is finally moving off of PGA for next socket

[stoic island]

Maybe smth like a razor blade could help if no floss

[earnest olive]

yeah that could work as well

try a combination, you'll prob need to get someone to help you hold

[stable tinsel]

Can I install it stuck

[earnest olive]

hair dryer + floss/blade

uhhh probably

if you know the cooler is aligned perfectly

[earnest olive]

but if you're just going to reinstall it stuck that defeats the purpose of why you probably removed it to begin with

to repaste or change cooler?

[feral bobcat]

hi

whats the best mhz ram speed for ryzen 5900x

x570

[earnest olive]

depends on silicon lottery

[feral bobcat]

3080

[earnest olive]

if you're not going to manually tune get a 3600c16 kit and call it a day

[feral bobcat]

i manually xmp it to 3600 for example

[earnest olive]

that's... not what manually tuning means

if you're going to use xmp, stick to 3600

most people don't bother manually tuning ram, it's not for the faint of heart

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

just grab these

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jxH8TW/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gtzrc

or this if you want rgb

[mossy venture]

any cases other than p400a digital recommended?

someone has an asus pre built and is 14, so they want to get a cheaper one and add p12s

[earnest olive]

which asus prebuilt?

[mossy venture]

one sec

[earnest olive]

if it's the TUF case and he's on a budget just don't recase it

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-ga15dk-ds776/p/N82E16883221675?item=N82E16883221675&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-gaming+desktop-_-N82E16883221675&gclid=Cj0KCQiA0p2QBhDvARIsAACSOONCDBdTCgD5nu-LwWcbwoJ8s0JUDxcNKA_M4-_r1vJFDEFH_ybz_IoaAqr1EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

[earnest olive]

the TUF case isn't the worst

[mossy venture]

it has a 5800x and it doesnt have room for a bigger heatsink or aio

[earnest olive]

ah yeah that case is pretty bad

[craggy gulch]

My PC is receiving power the LEDS are lighting up and fans are spinning but it’s not sending any video out and not sending anything out to my keyboard and mouse either any ideas on what might be the cause

[earnest olive]

is he seeing overheating though?

[mossy venture]

yes

94c on cpu not even under full load

thats single core load

[stable tinsel]

Where doe th gold pin on and cpu go on moba

[earnest olive]

yikes

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7fn8TW/cougar-mx330-g-air-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330-g-air

this is a good case for budget airflow

the fans are white, not sure why they look blue in pictures

but I've personally built in one and they're white

biggest con is no lighting control for the fans, can't turn them off

but the price/performance is really good

don't need to add fans

the included fans are even PWM

[earnest olive]

does your pc have post codes/debug leds

[earnest olive]

do you mean the triangle?

[craggy gulch]

Not to my knowledge

[earnest olive]

what motherboard do you have?

is it a new build or worked previously and now stopped?

[mossy venture]

Ty

[earnest olive]

np

i can provide another option if he would prefer not white LED fans

the LEDs are powered by the fan PWM so there really is no way to turn them off unless you physically remove them

[mossy venture]

i dmed them, ill see what they say

[earnest olive]

👍

[stable tinsel]

The golden triangle at bottom of cpu

[earnest olive]

align it with the triangle on the socket

[south cliff]

g

[stable tinsel]

My pc turns on for a split second then turns off

Can someone help

[quasi pollen]

Are the fans spinning?

Or is the entire pc just completely shut off

[stable tinsel]

Nothing spinning

Just motherboard turns on for split second then off

[potent portal]

You've had quite a few issues haven't you? Must be unlucky or something.
What cpu and motherboard did you end up with?

[stable tinsel]

Ryzen 5 2600

Arorus b450 pro wifi

I tried repluging everything in and cleared cmos

[potent portal]

Unplug the 24 pin cable from the motherboard, flip the power switch to the psu off, and then put a paperclip into these 2 pins. Flip the power switch on. Does the power supply stay running or shut off quickly?

[stable tinsel]

Shut of quickly

[potent portal]

Power supply is bad

[stable tinsel]

I have a Thermaltake 500+ gold

[potent portal]

Ok
Bad units happen even in top tier 1500W platinum ones

[stable tinsel]

What is the dark blue circle on image

[potent portal]

Just a reference, so you can see the pins you need relative to the blank pin

[stable tinsel]

Is it normal to have a blank pin

[potent portal]

Yes, ATX spec lists it as reserved/not used

[torpid nest]

I cant post in #build-pics yet? 😦

[potent portal]

Not until your name turns green

Chat with us a bit, it doesn't take long. You can check your progress to level 3 in #ranks-and-levels with the !rank command.

[cyan ravine]

That's a neat trick, I'll remember that

That's really cool

[earnest olive]

throwing out an idea - i don't see the mobo mention that newer bios drops older cpu support, but it could be something to try (flashing an older bios) if other things don't work out

i believe some b450s lose support for older cpus in later updates

[jovial radish]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rBngsL

got bored and did a mock up build

that's about as tight as I can dollar squeeze

[little osprey]

you're forgetting about something @jovial radish

@jovial radish https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qrdVnt x79 baby

slightly better multi-core than 10100f, and overclockable

pretty sure there's a custom bios for the x79 turbo to allow OCing

[stoic island]

Tbf second hand things mean you can probably also get a better second hand drive

[little osprey]

yea i didnt look for one though

[torpid nest]

chatting with yall sounds fun 🙂 at least i like talking hardware

[little osprey]

made a few more edits https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KbWqsL

better case better ssd

[fossil cedar]

Get bitfenix formula 650w for 5$ more

[gritty rover]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/T.Q.Quinnitin/saved/ypm8Q7 Here’s my pc build, I’m kinda embarrassed to send it here

I got all of this like

Lil over half the price

So $1.3k

And I already have all my parts except the case because Amazon is being horrible

I had got the gpu and psu in a bundle so I can’t return the psu unless I want to return my gpu

I’m pretty satisfied and proud that I got the stuff

I know the ram could be better

[mossy venture]

i mean

corsairf

[gritty rover]

Yeah :/

I can always upgrade it dude

[mossy venture]

other than the aio being overkill for an 11600k, overall its a good build

having better cooling than needed isnt exactly an issue

did you get the ssd on sale?

[gritty rover]

Yea, someone recommended me upgrading my aio, I’ll just upgrade my cpu down the line :D!

[gritty rover]

I did

I got it for $90 somethin

80?

[mossy venture]

nice

[gritty rover]

Around that price range

Yeee

[mossy venture]

cpu not many upgrade paths without switching boards, but lf2 has an adapter for 12th gen

[gritty rover]

Ooohh :ooo alright

[mossy venture]

did you build the pc before 12th gen was out?

[gritty rover]

I still haven’t built it yet since my case hasn’t arrived :(( but I picked out some of the parts before I knew 12th gen was a thing

I was going to get Ryzen amd at first

Not Intel

[mossy venture]

did you already buy the cpu and mobo?

[gritty rover]

Yep

I have all my parts right now in a box

I got the mobo on discount too I think

I’ll see if I can still return the cpu

Wait I just realized it’ll be so much trouble trying to get another mobo too… I’ll just take this all as a learning experience and in the future I’ll be better prepared

Thanks!

[torpid nest]

11th gen is still good

[gritty rover]

Ayee

[mossy venture]

its good, but 12400f=11600k for 195$

[frank stirrup]

11th gen intel didnt get worse overnight but you can get a lot better perf for the same price if you go 12th gen

[torpid nest]

Its too late for tanime so i was just trying to reassure them its ok lol

[gritty rover]

Thanks dudo

Ima just upgrade to the next gen or two in the future probably yea

[fossil cedar]

B560 11600k? And why power supply sfx lol

[gritty rover]

I got it with my gpu

If I return it I have to return my gpu

[fossil cedar]

Oof

[gritty rover]

I said it up there

Yea

[fossil cedar]

Have you built it yet?

[gritty rover]

It’s my first pc build so I’m not really upset with it

Nah :< Amazon hasn’t shipped my case

It was suppose to be here last Wednesday

So I had to cancel the order and place it again…

Still hasn’t shipped out again

Might just get different case… I really wanted the p400a since it was good for the price

The weekend coming up is the only weekend I can build it before March so I’m hoping Amazon will ship it, it’s not even third party it’s just amazon

[fossil cedar]

Ahh rip

I'd suggest you return the cpu motherboard and go 12th gen and mb grab some better ram btw

[gritty rover]

Ahh

I’ll just upgrade in the future I’m not gonna return anything since rn it’d be a hassle and I don’t really have transportation to do the returns right now :< plus I’ll just take this as a learning experience

I got most of the stuff on discount

[little osprey]

Hey, can I chat with someone about my build? Its in the building stage but I need some advice!

[stoic island]

What do you need?

[little osprey]

@stoic island I wish I could send a pic of my build, but I just hope the parts are grooving in my best interest, and if there is enough fans in it. Also not a big deal but I forgot RGB im pretty sure so... sad day.

[stoic island]

RGB isn't necessary, and you don't need to fill every fan slot with fans, just 2 intake is enough

[little osprey]

i got the noctua NH-D9L with NF-A9 92mm fan

[stoic island]

On what CPU?

[little osprey]

i5 12600

[stoic island]

It should be okay, won't be overclocking or boosting too much, but it should run fine

[little osprey]

Okay. If I wanted to add a couple later tho that wouldn't be a problem?

[stoic island]

To the case, it wouldn't be a problem

[little osprey]

Awesome. Thanks king @stoic island

[stoic island]

You're welcome

[night marten]

Hello 👋🏼 was wondering if someone with superior knowledge could give me advice on which parts are most important and which ones arent. Trying to build a pc that could run all sorts of games from shooter to horror, that also has what it needs to record gameplay and make videos. Any help would be appreciated.

[jovial radish]

nice, but is there a way to know which processor that board has specifically?

oh wait never mind

I see the cpu in the build

[fossil cedar]

Uhh basically all the parts are important you can spend less on some parts though, what country are you in and what's your budget and i can recommend something for you if you like?

[trail zodiac]

im looking for a pc under $500 for roblox, minecraft, and fortnite, if anyone knows a link to one that is good for that if you could DM me it it would be much appreciated (also youtube, twitch, and maybe VR stuff)

[fossil cedar]

Honestly your best gaming experience for 500$ is a console

And there's no way a 500$ pc will do vr good if it even runs

[trail zodiac]

what about for only MC and Roblox Studio, is there any for under $500?

well, bye, imma leave the server

[fossil cedar]

Alrighty

[sharp temple]

Just wondering how well would this perform?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WcMkLs

[stoic island]

It'd work okay, 10105 and 570 would give a decent 1080p experience

[sharp temple]

Yeah I have the 570 from an "old"(4-5yo machine)

[fossil cedar]

id do this for 20$ more https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sPvJxs or https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q9nD3y for way less

[fossil cedar]

@young sierra what is that sag bracket lol

[young sierra]

Custom

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but what is it lol?

[young sierra]

1/2" PVC cut with a Joe Biden pointing MEME sticker "I Did That!" that I pulled off of a gas pump and added to my build.

[fossil cedar]

[little osprey]

can i just ask tech support help in this channel?

[lyric falcon]

What do guys think about this build? https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/xYV8Tn

[young fox]

damn thats alot of money

[little osprey]

seems like a great build if u can find that gpu

also just get 1 64gb 4 stick packs not 2 32gb 2 stick packs

[lyric falcon]

I'm getting 4 just to fill all the slots and I can't find the 3600 version of the 16gb pack or I would have went with that

[lyric falcon]

It's cad and yeah the gpu came in stock on amazon but for 2k. Another store said they should have it in stock by June for 1200

[young fox]

oh makes alot of sense

[idle fern]

can someone help me i try to boot up my pc for the first time and i can't get an output. the fans all spin up but my keyboard doesnt turn on so i dont know how to get into bios

[potent portal]

Do you have debug LEDs?

[idle fern]

theres no leds lit up on my mobo rn except a strip down the side

[potent portal]

Check your memory, make sure it's clicked in all the way on both sides

If that doesn't help reseating the gpu, then the cpu are the next things

[idle fern]

ok

[idle fern]

i tried reseating everything and still nothing

[stoic island]

clear cmos time

[idle fern]

how do you do that

[stoic island]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html
battery method is neat

[idle fern]

ok

im on amd not intel does that change how you do that

[stoic island]

Its the same thing

Unplug from wall
take out battery

give it a while

[idle fern]

ok

[idle fern]

yea still nothing

[stoic island]

check eps12v

[idle fern]

which one is that again?

[stable tinsel]

So I turn on my pc and the motherboard lights up then turns off imminently

[stoic island]

top left of mobo

[stable tinsel]

?

[stoic island]

first boot?

[stable tinsel]

No boot

[stoic island]

I mean first time turning it on or was it working beforehand

[stable tinsel]

It turns of for a split second

[idle fern]

it says eatx12v is that the same one?

[stoic island]

ye

[idle fern]

ok

[stoic island]

Check if its fully plugged in

[stable tinsel]

Not working first time

I double checked

[cyan ravine]

They mentioned this yesterday

[stable tinsel]

Are you 100% sure it's dead

[stoic island]

If paperclip test had it just shut off, I'd blame the PSU

[stable tinsel]

Shouldn't the motherboard not light up then

[stoic island]

?

[cyan ravine]

It could very well be, if it's tripping itself up

[stable tinsel]

All I did was upgrade the motherboard

Then I tried plugging in the old motherboard and it doesn't work

[idle fern]

ok i replugged it in and its all the way in but still no output

[stable tinsel]

I tried with paper clips to 24 pin still nothing no fan spin

In psu

[stoic island]

Its just 50% certainty for blaming the PSU, but about 0% for everything else

Its the one symptom we have atm

[foggy sand]

Uhhh should I get a nzxt z53 or a lian li galahad

[obsidian wigeon]

get the lian li

nzxt aios are so expensive

[foggy sand]

Ye

But idk if it's gooood

[gritty rover]

It’s good

Lian li is really good

[foggy sand]

Hmmm ok after that should I build my pc without the gpu

I have a 5600x

As a cpu

Idkk

[strong raft]

well 5600g is the one w/ an igpu, soooo technically you'd need a gpu

[foggy sand]

Ik that's the mistake

Im going to micro center in a week or so... so

Eh

[strong raft]

Oh that's good. I was worried you're like someone who mentioned building a pc then asking about a vga led on the mobo but no monitor hooked up anyways. MC might have some decent gpus for ya.

[foggy sand]

Hopefully last time u went they only have amd but the lower ones

[strong raft]

Yeah, 6600 XT for instance actually seems like a fine pick, price dependent of course. Most of the huge overpricing these days is w/ mainly Nvidia stuff, unless doing shuffle or best buy drops or w/e.

[foggy sand]

Ye

[potent portal]

Avoid the 6500XT

[strong raft]

and 3050

[foggy sand]

Ik

I was considering a 3060 ti

[potent portal]

3050 isn't as bad if you're desperate

But it should be a last resort

[strong raft]

bs prices excluded, 3060 ti is 1 of if not the best value imo.

[potent portal]

3080 at msrp is best, 3060ti close second

[fossil cedar]

Imo 3060 ti best value at msrp, gaming perf only ~10% less than a 3070 for 100 less and mines just like a 3070 too

[lime jay]

Excuse me, I had a question about electrical safety relating to a current build I'm working on

I'm building a pc right now but I'm currently in the process of moving; That is to say I'm staying at a relative's temporarily while the move is being done

Problem is, I'll be here for another few months after my pc is complete, and the only area I can set up in has 2 prong outlets

Would it be safe to use these with my psu if I used a grounded 2-3 prong adapter?

Safety for both the house's electrical system and my own pc, I mean

[sullen spoke]

Is this different region? I would check the voltage of the outlet and if your PCs psu has a voltage selector or supports both

2 and 3 prong is also pretty vague, there are many different types of 2 and 3 prong outlets

[frank stirrup]

i dont think theres any grounded 2 pin outlet out there

[sullen spoke]

No idea tbh, i only know of some countries in europe and Australia i think? That use 2 prong

[frank stirrup]

because one prong has to be live and the other neutral for a circuit to complete

so you will have to have another prong to ground

[desert gulch]

I mean, with absolutely nothing ever going wrong, you'd theoretically have no issue with no ground

I'd opt for trying to get a 3 prong outlet with ground after seeing if you would be able to ground to the box. If not, the best option would be to install a GFCI 3 prong

That way you'd still have a "ground" of sorts, but it's not quite as good as an actual 3 prong outlet with ground

[serene hedge]

people say that the 3000G is the best budget cpu you can get

that's not that true

you have the intel core i3 10100

which are WAY more powerful

have more cores and threads

and is $10 cheaper

[fossil cedar]

Correct, but 3000g is the best budget cpu igpu combo together

[serene hedge]

you could get that 12th gen i5 for $200

6 cores 12 threads

[potent portal]

You have to account for motherboard cost too

3000g would be quite happy on a $80 B450 board, while it's hard to find a B660 for under $140

[mortal ferry]

hi im trying to q-flash my mother borad for the part 3 hours and everytime i try its just doesn't work and the light stops flashing ater 1 mintue meaning it didnt work

can anyone hel[p

[fossil cedar]

What motherboard are you using?

[mortal ferry]

gigabyte b550 ds3h AC

[frank stirrup]

usb drive is mbr fat 32?

[mortal ferry]

yup

i watch all the youtube videos and everything

[fossil cedar]

Make sure its in the port marked H

And make sure the file is not in any folders or have a password on the usb

[frank stirrup]

they only say you have to have it formatted to fat 32

nothing about mbr

[mortal ferry]

ya idk if it is mbr it only sayus fat32 how do i check tht

[frank stirrup]

diskmgmt

[lime jay]

Sorry for being late, thank you all for the suggestions relating to the outlets

I wanted to use an adapter that connects to the screw of the outlet and uses it as a ground, as replacing any if the outlets is not really an option as I'm only a guest here

[mortal ferry]

yes i just checked it is mbr

[potent portal]

A false ground like that would technically work but it can be risky.

If it was something less expensive like a coffee maker, sure. Personally I wouldn't want to risk my computer.

[lime jay]

Damn, alright

I'm here for another 6 months yet, I hate the idea of that pc sitting finished and unused for that much time

[potent portal]

Yeah there's no way I'd leave my computer plugged in like that for that long.
Maybe since you'll be there a while you could offer to get someone to upgrade the outlets at your expense? Or at least split the cost

[lime jay]

I was considering that, but I dont think our host is too thrilled about the prospect of us being here, let alone making modifications to their home

I'll see what can be done though, thank you for the help

[potent portal]

It's either that or an extension cord to a grounded outlet

[lime jay]

Mmm.... I suppose that's an option

I heard power sticks cause issues, is that true?

[potent portal]

These?

They're fine. Just don't have too many high power devices plugged in.

The surge protector I have in my kitchen keeps tripping when I use my microwave, electric kettle, and the toaster at the same time making breakfast lol

[lime jay]

Alright cool. I had an issue a while back with my router as a result of a power stick, wasnt sure if I'd run into a similar problem

If it wasnt clear, I'm anything but an electrician lol. Still learning

[potent portal]

As long as it's a known brand and not el cheapo or something, it's fine usually

APC makes great products in general. They have a bar that's $10-12 and has a surge protector

[lime jay]

Awesome, thank you. I'll give that a look

This is my first build so... I'm not entirely sure how many plugs I'll have in need of power

The psu of course, and I'd guess the monitor as well

[potent portal]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/apc-surgearrest-essential-6-outlet-surge-protector-black/5745200.p

[lime jay]

Very nice, thank you. I'll have to pick one of those up

[frank stirrup]

[mortal ferry]

does nayone know of a 5000 series ready motherboards that I can use right out of the box for my 5600x cpu? help would be much appreciated 🙂

[simple olive]

My Asrock B550i phantom gaming itx worked out of box

[fossil cedar]

Only ones that say 5000 ready on the actual box are guaranteed, no models are as they could have been sitting on shelves for ages

[simple olive]

Since it was manufactured <2 weeks before I bought it

[simple olive]

The box said 3000 series on it still thou

[fossil cedar]

Yes but re read what i said

Only ones that have that say it are garunteed

[simple olive]

Ah

Asrock b550i keep going out of stock on Amazon/newegg so they are probably recently manufactured

[lime jay]

How large of a flash drive will I need for installing windows with the ISO file?

Windows 10 pro, that is

[potent portal]

8gb

[lime jay]

Nice, thanks

[mossy venture]

@strange epoch you can get a 3060 ti off ebay for cheaper

thats a really bad price

even with the monitor

[strange epoch]

619$ lol what?

[mossy venture]

it shows 1100 in the ss?

[strange epoch]

The monitor is 500$ lol

[mossy venture]

a 360hz thats super overkill

its super overkill unless you play super competitively

[strange epoch]

Bro I know what I'm doing it was a combo on newegg shuffle I won it I'm gonna sell it

[mossy venture]

i mean you can sell it

oh

alr then

hopefully you can get around 450 for it

gl

[strong raft]

Good, because $500 for 1080p is whack, idc if it was 9000hz.

[strange epoch]

Yes you probably could get a 1440p 240hz for cheaper

[strong raft]

Indeed. Obviously I've never tried 1440p, 240hz or even 144hz. Sure higher hertz lowers input lag or something, but can't take full advantage unless fps is similar afaik. I finally made my own decent $200ish display upgrade, and shipping is back to 2-3days instead of 8.

[young sierra]

@vocal lava any way to elevate it off the carpet?

[torpid nest]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CQPLHFH

[vocal lava]

I have stuff but it hasn’t hurt the rug don’t think it will

[young sierra]

I'm more concerned about the intake on the bottom and heat from the PSU.

[earnest olive]

yeah it's not about the rug

your power supply is gonna get caked in dust

[timber glade]

Quick question regarding rgb fans and corsair stuff. I have 2 ML and 3 LL fans. Is there a controller that I can use to hook all of them together or is my only option the commander corsair hub and the separate rgb thing...I hate having to see that mess of wires...

[frank stirrup]

https://www.amazon.com/Addressable-Lighting-Magnetic-backplane-Addressble/dp/B08JQFKXYK/

should work

[tight sorrel]

negative

corsair RGB can only work throgh Corsair hubs

[frank stirrup]

openrgb

[tight sorrel]

thats on the SW side

but corsair rgb plugs are not the same as ARGB or RGB plugs

[tight sorrel]

corsair now has a unified hub thingie

[frank stirrup]

Ah wait

true

my bad

[tight sorrel]

https://www.corsair.com/ww/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-|-Parts/iCUE-CONTROLLERS/iCUE-Commander-PRO-Smart-RGB-Lighting-and-Fan-Speed-Controller/p/CL-9011110-WW

on the other hand, what you can do, is ditch the corsair stuff all together and get lianli SL/AL fans

if I could, thats what I would do

or get Arctic Bionix ARGB fans

[timber glade]

Ehh... never used other fans aside corsair since they were always reliable. Currently in an Air 540 case so ....wiring management was never a... priority lol.

Neat that will work for me.

[coarse cove]

What is the difference between the 10400F 2.6GHz and the 10400F 2.9GHz?

[fossil cedar]

There is no base clock 2.6ghz 10400f that's a mistake

[coarse cove]

Right, I keep seeing both described for sale

It is strange

[fossil cedar]

Also they boost up to like 4.something ghz

So just get whichever site has it for the cheapest

[coarse cove]

Right

Thanks, ordering now then

[fossil cedar]

Np

[vocal lava]

Oh ok thank you I will look for something

[viral ember]

Would you guys trust any online dealees to build a custom gaming desktop for you, if so which? Please and thank you

[fossil cedar]

Online dealees?

[viral ember]

I guess. You get to pick all the parts they build them. Or is that no bueno?

[fossil cedar]

I mean it depends on the company

But eh usually terrible value

[mortal sierra]

i need help

ive got a pc

dm me for more info i might buy it idk if its good tho

[frank stirrup]

the pc u linked is not great tbh

at all

[mortal sierra]

why

isnt it good

[frank stirrup]

bad cpu

[mortal sierra]

oh

[frank stirrup]

9th gen is like 4 gens behind

[mortal sierra]

its a CPU - Intel i7-9700K

[frank stirrup]

and its so overpriced

[frank stirrup]

the 9 in 9700k stands for 9th gen

latest is 12th gen

[mortal sierra]

ok

[frank stirrup]

and the pc is way too expensive

[mortal sierra]

i need a good pc for gaming

can you help me @frank stirrup

[frank stirrup]

budget?

[mortal sierra]

under 2k

800 to 2k

if you can find a good pc thats cheap then yes

[frank stirrup]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali530-gladiator/p/N82E16883360135R

[mortal sierra]

wait

can you do it under 1,500 dollars

[frank stirrup]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali560-master/p/N82E16883360190R

[mortal sierra]

sorry

thx

[sharp temple]

Is it worth getting an 11th generation cpu if there is not an upgrade path to 12th gen?

[earnest olive]

depends on your budget and how soon you plan to upgrade gpu

no reason to move off your 5600x though unless you mean for a second build

your 3060 is already the bottleneck

[sharp temple]

Second mini itx build

[earnest olive]

11400 still does a great job with a 3070 at 1080p or a 3080 at 1440p

so, again, it depends on how soon you plan on grabbing something stronger than that, like a 4080 or 5070

most people aren't upgrading cpu long enough for same socket upgrades to be a big deal

how much cheaper is 11th gen for you?

and what gpu will be paired with it

[mossy venture]

Not that I think anyone should run a 3080 at 1080p, but an 11400 would do a decent job with it on 1080p imo

[fossil cedar]

If you don't need the igpu 10400(f) is usually a good bit cheaper tbh

[mortal sierra]

is this a good processer?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FWYK5M9?tag=pcbuilder00-20

[vague oracle]

Overkill if you’re just gaming

[fossil cedar]

Yes

But like said here, it's overkill if gaming, 12700(f)(k) would be a better choice

[mortal sierra]

ok

[serene hedge]

can someone link me that reddit page where you can sell desktops and laptops? I have an old w11 laptop i want to sell

[fossil cedar]

R/hardwareswap

[serene hedge]

oh, thanks

it's an HP notebook

it does have an intel pentium

but it does have 8gb of ram and a 500GB SSD

[tight sorrel]

sorry I linked the wrong one earlier. This is an all in one Corsair hub:

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-|-Parts/CORSAIR-iCUE-COMMANDER-CORE-XT-Smart-RGB-Lighting-and-Fan-Speed-Controller/p/CL-9011112-WW

[digital trail]

Hi

Is this good for Ryzen 7 5800X ?

[earnest olive]

seems like a pointless upgrade

8c/16t to 8c/16t with a slight ipc boost

[quick crystal]

eh not if I find one for dirt cheap but yeah mostly pointless

the 10700 will got to a mcpc

[earnest olive]

would be much better served by an i5-26400 by the time an i9-11900k is cheap

intel flagships hold value insanely well...

[quick crystal]

oh I know they do, but the socket is there lol and I get my mileage out of stuff

[earnest olive]

used i7-7700K is still selling for twice the price of the i3-12100 that absolutely dumpsters it

[digital trail]

not for upgrade

[earnest olive]

you're going to be waiting for a long while lol

not you, other guy deleted his message

[still roost]

ButtQuake#2163 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[digital trail]

ok sorry

[quick crystal]

ye I meant to reply to the other dude I'm garbage at discord on my phone

[earnest olive]

overpriced

[quick crystal]

really tho this 10700k I got for 280 bucks is prob good until 2030

[earnest olive]

5800x runs happy as a clam on a midrange $150 board

maybe get that board if you have a 5950x 3090 and still have some money you want to burn

personally running 5800x with tuned curve hitting 5.05ghz, 3800c14 1t gdm off ram, and a 3090 in a $90 mobo without any issues

[digital trail]

380$

[earnest olive]

yeah, so 4 times the price of mine

that money could bump you from a 3070 to a 3080

[digital trail]

what is your gpu?

[earnest olive]

3090 strix

[digital trail]

WOW

how much?

[earnest olive]

traded a 3080 + $650 for it

got that 3080 for $770

$1420 total

[digital trail]

i like strix good RGB

[earnest olive]

I have it set to white

wish I had the white strix but black strix still nice

[digital trail]

what do you think good motherboard to Ryezen 7 5800X

[earnest olive]

something like an msi b550-a pro is good enough

midrange is fine

[digital trail]

i want ASUS

[earnest olive]

I'm using an asrock b550 steel legend that I got a great used deal on

asus b550 tuf is more than good enough

[digital trail]

ok thank you

[long rock]

I’ve heard that prices are dropping, are there any noticeable drops yet?

[gritty rover]

My case arrived

Now time to build

[gritty rover]

Holy

The case is bigger than I expected

[fossil cedar]

Hwbot go brr

[bright dome]

qyuci question: I have a chance to get this"MSI GeForce RTX 3090 GAMING X TRIO 24G" will it fit in this case? https://pcpartpicker.com/user/avirel/saved/#view=NQMZcf

and is the power supply good enough?

[cyan ravine]

Should fit the GPU

[gritty rover]

I have a picture of the case, mine just arrived

It’s really big

Like

[cyan ravine]

Looks like that whisper M is a good choice on the tier list too

[fossil cedar]

Yes but 3090 is overpriced for gaming and will only perform like 5% better than the GPU in the list

[gritty rover]

I’m 5”4 and it comes to my knees

[fossil cedar]

Ye i made the list

[bright dome]

1,099.81

[fossil cedar]

Thats a scam

[bright dome]

I am trying to verify first that it is not an open box or "refurbished" before i get it. that price sounds too good to be true

[cyan ravine]

No 3090 is that cheap

[fossil cedar]

The MSRP for the card is $1500 for founders edition from nvidia $2200 for that model from MSI

[fossil cedar]

Trust me it's a scam

[bright dome]

k

[gritty rover]

What site are you ordering from

[bright dome]

crethome.com, but not ordering based on your advice

[gritty rover]

Oohhh

[cyan ravine]

1100 is more like a genuine 10gb 3080 price in the US isn't it?

You won't be far off a 3090 with one of those

[maiden pine]

so i have since learned the bios on my b550 phantom is 1.5, and the 5600x i ordered is 1.2, this is good news however im wondering that since im switching from intel to amd, is there going to be driver errrors?

[rustic shoal]

Hey everyone. I have a question about a motherboard in a new case, but the power button is a physical push to turn on. I won’t be able to do that in the new case. It’s too far from the I/O. Where should I go to learn how to rewire or workaround it? Thank you

[maiden pine]

like intel drivers interfering with new amd drivers

[fossil cedar]

When switching from intel to amd or vice versa or any motherboard swap, reinstall windows

[maiden pine]

should i reinstall before or after

[fossil cedar]

After

[maiden pine]

ok, and i can keep files correct?

or better off just full reset

[fossil cedar]

Best practice is full reset, keep files is probably okay tho

[maiden pine]

ok appreciate the help

[strong raft]

Besides at MC, the only similar cpu I see cheaper than that is the 10700F for $255 on amazon. I really want a 11700(f)/K to slap in a 500 series mobo I have, but they're prices are a bit wack currently. The i7's sure are holding their value pretty well.

[whole oriole]

Hey guys, would you be able to help me with where to plug in my front panel connectors on my motherboard? I'm using an Asus Z590-E motherboard and have a pic of the connectors below. Thanks for any help!!

Just realized I can't put pictures in this chat lol, they are labeled as follows:
Reset SW
HDD led +/-
Power Sw
Power led +
Power led -

[fossil cedar]

There will be a picture in your manual to connect what to where on the front panel header

[whole oriole]

It wasn't very descriptive tbh, a few things weren't pictured

[strong raft]

You good? Tbh I'm literally posting screen shots of the online manual....🤣

[whole oriole]

Did not think to look at that, this helps a lot, thank you!

[halcyon agate]

How do I jump my fans together

[potent portal]

Splitters, if the fans don't have daisy chain

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07MXNT6V4/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_TS9P0S8TTFE8QRSVRJBZ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[little osprey]

kinda odd parts selection for that case ima be real

locked board + unlocked chip + sfx psu + matx board + atx case

hm

[gritty rover]

I am odd :>, but I plan on doing am upgrade in the future, so I got a case that I would keep for a long time

Plus I’m a beginner

And I’m taking it as a learning experience

mATX boards can fit in ATX cases

I think

I dunno I just liked the case lol

Plus if I return my psu i have to return my gpu

So i don’t really mind having an sfx psu

I went through a whole hassle to get the case so I won’t be returning it or anything

[foggy sand]

What do you think I should do....
I'm going to micro center in 2 weeks and from what I see they only have amd, but I wanna stick on team green. What should I do?

[little osprey]

also know that sfx psus tend to have shorter cables

might not reach around dunno

also certain matx boards fit in certain atx cases

depends

[gritty rover]

There’s an adapter

[gritty rover]

When I did the thing it said that there weren’t any incompatibilities and I checked the case website

The psu came with the adapter thingy for it being in ATX cases

[little osprey]

adapter for cables?

or just a bracket

cuz a bracket wont help when the psu cables are physically too short to reach ur components

[gritty rover]

Bracket

[gritty rover]

I’ll cross that bridge when I get there on Thursday

I’ve been busy with lot of stuff, if I need psu cable extenders I’ll get them

I may or may not need extension cables

But at least with a bigger case I don’t have to worry about not having enough room ye

[strong raft]

Yeah if you end up needing, try Asiagorse extensions

[gritty rover]

Oh okay! Thanks

What the hell, I shouldn’t have even did the return on my thermal paste…

I didn’t even get my money back

My refund went to the shipping cost :/

I should’ve just kept it

I only got 70 cent in return smh

I would’ve been better off keeping it… next time I won’t even bother returning it and won’t listen to the bright guy who suggested I return it

💀

[potent portal]

I've done that a few times. Ordered something I thought I needed and by the time it arrived didn't need it any more lol

[gritty rover]

Yeah

Someone told here told me to return my thermal paste because the aio came with some

But like

I didn’t even get a refund

They just took it

And used the refund to pay for the shipping

[potent portal]

I still have a stupid dual molex to 8 pin adapter I didn't even open the package on and it only cost $3 🤦‍♂️

[gritty rover]

Fr

[desert gulch]

That's good to keep in a emergency pack

[gritty rover]

The thermal paste I had costed $8 but I’m still bit salty over it because I’m short $8 and they took the thermal paste

[desert gulch]

For fire starting and stuff

[gritty rover]

Plus I’m a teen and money hard to get

[desert gulch]

Money easy to get as a teen

You can basically keep everything you make

No rent or anything

It's great

[gritty rover]

I can’t work because of school and health reasons

I get home from school at 5pm

[potent portal]

Get a bag of candy from the dollar store and sell them for a dime each

[gritty rover]

Then have to study

[gritty rover]

We can’t sell candy at school

[desert gulch]

Jobs over a summer are great

[gritty rover]

Plus Covid

I can’t get job over summer either… I’m going to a college during then

[potent portal]

Neither could I 😉

[gritty rover]

I’ll be doing courses there for a month

[desert gulch]

Or even some places have part time on weekends

[gritty rover]

Oohh true

Only places around here are fast food places or shops

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[gritty rover]

I don’t have a stable form of transportation to and from places mostly

[desert gulch]

I bike to my work sometimes

[gritty rover]

And family doesn’t let me go places other than to school alone, because it’s unsafe

Oohh

[desert gulch]

It's close enough to not be that bad

Like 2 miles ish

[gritty rover]

That’s good then

[desert gulch]

Yea

[gritty rover]

Which is why I’m trying to find other ways to get income like doing art commissions etc but haven’t been to successful with getting em

It’ll take a while

[desert gulch]

Mhmm

Etsy and stuff is neat

[gritty rover]

Oohh yea it is

I’m doing digital commissions for now

But if I wasn’t dealing with all this health stuff I might have a normal part time job 😔

[timber glade]

Any recommendations on cases that can fit an nh-d15 and full atx mobos?currently using a corsair air 540 but looking for something with a smaller footprint. I do have a115i 280 just didn't use it since I didn't have an am4 bracket that went to it

[earnest olive]

full atx as in EATX?

[timber glade]

Naw just norm atx. Some x570 strix board...F I think it was

Gfx is a xfx vega 56 so nothing too extreme. Can go to a smaller evga xc 3060 if need be

[gritty rover]

I just spent an hour nervously trying to figure out how to take off the front of my case

It’s 3am… I’m gonna go to sleep

[digital trail]

Hi

What is Best ,Buy gpu from Canada or us?

[fossil cedar]

Um a gpu from best buy?

[digital trail]

yes

[fossil cedar]

Yes can you rephrase your question? It doesn't make any sense

[digital trail]

Which is better to buy a gpu from USA or Canada

@fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

Whichever is your country

[digital trail]

middle east

Do you know MyUs.com

[fossil cedar]

Corsair 4000d airflow, lian li lancool 215, fractal meshify C/2 compact are decent choices

[fossil cedar]

Then whichever is easier to import from

[digital trail]

I do not know, but I know someone in America, but in Canada it is available online, but in USA not

what do think ?

[timber glade]

I'd be up to your budget. If it's like 300 extra buying from CA than US, you'd have to take that into consideration

And I have been looking into the 4000d so..
Hmmm

[fossil cedar]

Look into which customs is cheaper and possibly might be better off with the US because of your friend or looking for somewhere closer to you

[digital trail]

ok Thanks have a nice day

[torpid nest]

Finally posted my build in #build-pics

Trying to get a 3090 from the shuffle but rip never selected after the first time I missed the email lol

[fossil cedar]

There is more ways btw
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/GPU-Buying-guide

[torpid nest]

👀🙏 thank you so much!

[fossil cedar]

Np

[spark ibex]

are you trying to game or to have a workstation?

[torpid nest]

both

[spark ibex]

not bad

[torpid nest]

one VM is the workstation, one VM is gaming, and the other capacity is work-related/personal-project-sandbox stuff too

the 3070 is now for gaming, I'm hoping to get a Quadro RTX 4000 soon for the workstation

[spark ibex]

i currently have a threadripper pro 3975wx and a 3090

[torpid nest]

3975wx
very nice

[spark ibex]

i placed it on a new mobo, the asus ws wrx80 plus ram up to 128gb

it used to run a quadro rtx but i sold it to buy a 3090 in my area

[torpid nest]

yeah 3090 will get you more power/$ than a quadro

by far

128gb is how much my workstation VM will have haha nice

it's definitely a comfortable amount

[spark ibex]

i use it to run my models while im away for work and for gaming and work when im at home

[torpid nest]

models -- physics/eng simulation?

[spark ibex]

mostly physics models for cars like airflows and what not

i work in motorsport so having a super powerful pc is great

[torpid nest]

ooooh

i'm going to imagine you work for the ferrari F1 team

🙂

[bright dome]

lol

[icy pewter]

Just curious, looked through the FAQs and rules and maybe I'm just missing it, how do I gain privileges to be able to post my build to #build-pics

[thin oar]

Need to message a bit until you rank up

[icy pewter]

Gotcha! Thank you

[dense ravine]

Found a prebuilt with a 2060 and an i5 11400f for just over 1k. Is it worth it?

[fossil cedar]

That's fine, if you're okay with open box tho you could get one with a 3060

[twin spindle]

Hey guys -- PC building noob here.. hoping that I've put together a decent PC for gaming + streaming. can anyone look over what I've got in the parts list before I pull the trigger and just give me general feedback? you can dm me if you'd like to help

[fossil cedar]

Sure pop the parts into https://pcpartpicker.com/list and send us the link in the yellow box at the top

[glacial umbra]

is 3070 ti decent value at all? they're just about the only partner cards frequently in stock and I'm considering just getting one for the sake of finally upgrading

[fossil cedar]

Not for their listed price

[glacial umbra]

yeah though so

900 seems like a big jump from 729 for the little bit of performance difference

[obsidian wigeon]

3070 better choice

runs much cooler too

cause no gddr6x

[fossil cedar]

900 isn't terrible for scalped

I've only seen them at like 1.1k

[fossil cedar]

3070 ti's that are scalped on Amazon etc are actually more common/cheaper than 3070 lol

[obsidian wigeon]

huh

[glacial umbra]

not even scalped, just what they're charging at my lovely local retailer lol

[obsidian wigeon]

that's funny

[fossil cedar]

900 for a 3070 is scalped weather or not its 3rd party

[glacial umbra]

how much do partner 3070 ti's usually go for

[fossil cedar]

750-800 ish retail probs, scalped like 1.1k

[glacial umbra]

so 900 isn't terrible

I'll probably just wait for a 3070 though

[twin spindle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sRgRBj duke translated it to pcpartpicker for me

I have everything picked out on cyberpower plus a case and I was just gonna have them put it together for me and ship it

[mossy venture]

Do you care for the rgb on the aio?

If not liquid freezer ii is better

Or lian li galahad, i think that also has rgb

[obsidian wigeon]

i mean liquid freezer does have rgb variant

[mossy venture]

It does?

[obsidian wigeon]

and a-rgb too

yes

[mossy venture]

Didn't know that

How's the psu in that?

[earnest olive]

do a steep CPU downgrade and get a better GPU

[mossy venture]

I tend to not trust thermaltake

12400f+ b660 prime and 3080 go together well

[twin spindle]

I'm trying to future proof and also have enough cache/cores/threads in cpu for multitasking though. you think I could get by with a lower cpu ??

[earnest olive]

no such thing as futureproof

[mossy venture]

Gpu more important for gaming.

And the future will catch up with you inevitably

[twin spindle]

ok then nevermind the future proofing. I just want to be able to multitask

[earnest olive]

the i5-15400 is going to smack your i7-12700k silly whether you like it or not

lol you can multitask with an i3

[mossy venture]

I wonder when they're going to make a 6 core i3

[twin spindle]

are you talking in context of streaming on twitch + gaming though?

[mossy venture]

12300 being 4p 2e would be nice

[earnest olive]

yes

GPU handles streaming with nvenc

[mossy venture]

Nvenc with nvidia means cpu isn't utilized as much for streaming

[earnest olive]

OBS uses 0.1% CPU for me at all times while encoding 1440p video

[twin spindle]

I thought you could choose either or

[earnest olive]

yes but why would you

[mossy venture]

12400f and b660 prime would leave room for you to get a 3080

[twin spindle]

the 12400f is a newer i5?

[cursive wharf]

iirc OBS effects to make cool stream effects use CPU tho

[earnest olive]

CPU encode is for the multi millionaire streamers with a 12900K in their dedicated second streaming pc

[earnest olive]

nothing a 12400 can't handle

[mossy venture]

It beats 5600x by a small margin

[cursive wharf]

Cant imagine it is that much, but I did hear it was somewhat considerable. Should be fine I'd assume

[mossy venture]

More than enough for a 3080

[twin spindle]

ok so look I am a noob with this stuff so I really appreciate you all chiming in. I am kinda wary of downgrading the cpu though. I don't want to be running chrome (we all know how demanding chrome is), a game, obs, and whatever else and have stutters or whatever.
I thought I needed higher cache, and more cores/threads to cushion the multitasking

but I do want a 3080 I'm ngl

how does the 3070 ti compare with the 3080 btw

and.. if there ever comes a chance for me to upgrade to a 3080 or even 3090, the rest of my build will play nice right?

[torpid nest]

upgrading gpus should be ok

[thin oar]

it’s more performance but not much more

if you want more vram go for the 3080

if you don’t care for vram go for the 3070 ti

The 3070 ti is cheaper and still is pretty decent

[earnest olive]

@twin spindle I have a weaker cpu paired with a 3090 and 16gb ram

no issues with game + OBS + 20 browser tabs + discord + whatever I want

[mossy venture]

With a 3600 (equal to a 10400) I've streamed cold war through obs at max settings, with discord and Chrome open playing music, and maxed out gpu usage before cpu

Gpu being 3060 ti

[earnest olive]

my 5800x is barely even awake in cold war lmao

too GPU bound

[mossy venture]

1440p?

[earnest olive]

yeah

[mossy venture]

Oh did you get your 3090 back?

[earnest olive]

not yet

almost

it's in new mexico as of this morning

[mossy venture]

Nice

[earnest olive]

getting there

[frank stirrup]

me hitting ram and cpu limits at 1080p in cold ware zomberts

maybe not cpu limit

but its above 80% constantly

[earnest olive]

how lol

[frank stirrup]

ion

[earnest olive]

my cpu frametimes are at 2ms while gpu frametimes are at 5ms

[frank stirrup]

patos game crashed multiple times when we were playing because page file smol

[earnest olive]

some guy didn't believe that 16gb ram was enough

[frank stirrup]

like literally i hit 16gb ram usage in zomberts

out of 16gb

[earnest olive]

I showed cold war running 1440p ultra 200 fps with 5 browser tabs open, discord, spotify, wallpaper engine, and 1080p60 youtube video playing

chilling at 13gb

[frank stirrup]

I need more rams

after gpu tho

[frank stirrup]

oh absolutely doable

[earnest olive]

then why are you running out

[frank stirrup]

only reason I hit 16gb ram usage is because I have wsl and wsa constantly running

so i for all practical purposes have 2 vms always on on me pc

[earnest olive]

lol I had those on too

didn't matter

[frank stirrup]

yeah together both suck anywhere between 4gb and 6gb ram

since neither are idle

[twin spindle]

thanks again for the help btw guys. if you saw anything else that was overkill or whatever lemme know

[mossy venture]

Psu could be changed, I dont trust Thermaltake at all, but maybe it's a decent model idk

[twin spindle]

I had a corsair in there before but I found the thermaltake gf1 in a tier list that someone pinned in here

I dont know about psus at all so im all ears tbh

[mossy venture]

Is it an a tier?

[twin spindle]

thermaltake toughpower GF1 is a-tier according to that list. and I had a corsair RM850 which I didnt see specifically (although the list mentions Corsair RM-i I think)

[mossy venture]

Rm 850 isn't as good as the rmx

But I think the rmx is much more expensive atm

If its A tier, you're fine then

Im just always weary of Thermaltake personally

[twin spindle]

I understand. bad experience?

[mossy venture]

As well as other people's experiences

[twin spindle]

okay. I'll definitely consider that some

do you guys all like lian li towers btw?

[mossy venture]

If its a tier by that list it's safe

[earnest olive]

never shop by brand

lian li makes some great cases and some awful cases

[twin spindle]

what cases do you like?

[earnest olive]

I mean I personally have a lian li o11 dynamic

[twin spindle]

ok thats the one im looking at actually lol

[earnest olive]

corsair 4000d airflow is my favorite budget case when it's on sale (it isn't right now)

[stoic island]

Td500 mesh is my fav 100$ case when at that price

[earnest olive]

cougar mx330-g air is my favorite super budget case

[twin spindle]

there's a lian li o11 dynamic air version .. its not the prettiest in my mind but it looks like there's a lot of airflow

[stoic island]

Same, but p360a and neo air may beat our mx330-g air when on sale

[earnest olive]

if you want maximum airflow go for something like fractal torrent

p360a is insanely expensive right now

not sure why

[stoic island]

O11 is not a contender for high airflow

[earnest olive]

as an o11 owner

[stoic island]

Yea p360a is great when 60-70$

[earnest olive]

you buy it because pretty

not for performance

it does alright, but it's not a top contender by any means

[twin spindle]

ok but the actual o11 dynamic AIR is different from what you have right

or you have the AIR one

[earnest olive]

the air seems like a pointless product to me

[twin spindle]

its not as pretty

cause it has a giant vent all over basically

[earnest olive]

the whole point of the o11 is that you can have a pretty glass front without sacrificing much performance due to side and bottom intakes

if you are gonna get a traditional mesh front with fans might as well not get an o11

[twin spindle]

I figure you're right there

are any of the other phanteks decent?

[earnest olive]

something like p400a digital, lancool ii mesh, great midrange traditional options

[stoic island]

Td500 mesh when back to 100$

[earnest olive]

...never mind lancool ii mesh is currently like $260 for some reason, assuming out of stock

[stoic island]

Lol

[earnest olive]

td500 mesh is alright, wasn't a fan of the stock fans

[stoic island]

No puns intended I assume

[earnest olive]

lol

[stoic island]

And fair

[earnest olive]

the problem is when you're buying a case like that the fans represent a pretty big portion of the value

but it's impossible to make that case quiet with stock fans because the bearings make a clicking sound at low rpms

[twin spindle]

...does anyone have experience with any auron cases? or are those just off the table entirely

[earnest olive]

I ended up replacing them which totally kills the value

never heard of them

[stoic island]

Dunno if it's a defect or with all of them

[earnest olive]

oh it's a cyberpower case

not sure

I actually had a cyberpower case that was surprisingly better than it looked

from a cheap used prebuilt I copped

looks like an oven but it had enough air gaps that it wasn't thermal throttling with overclocked cpu/gpu

actually thought it was a modded nzxt h510 elite or something at first...

ended up reselling it with a 2060 and the kid is happy

that's my only experience with cyberpower

[twin spindle]

looks clean.. as long as it wasn't overheating haha

[earnest olive]

cleaning that PC was fun

guy owned a cat lol