building-and-recc-chat

[stoic island]

Btw Pato sn570 is real nice, I'd prob take sn570 over mp510 and firecuda 520 for most people

And firecuda 520 is just a bog standard e16 drive, it's just faster for seq, sn570 should be faster for rnd

[fossil cedar]

Oh nice ik it was good but didn't think it would be noticeably better over a b tier drive

[stoic island]

Although sn570 sustained is kinda bad

[strong raft]

Seems sequential is often mostly for ego. Random is what we really want

[stoic island]

It's like a P31 but in bursts

[fossil cedar]

Also the 520 is an a tier so it would be an "upgrade" but doubt they would even notice

[fossil cedar]

Oh damm

[fossil cedar]

Seq is good for like editors and for downloading games i guess but fairly useless to most gamers

[stoic island]

Its just a bog standard e16 drive imo, it's in A tier for the seq and decently good at rnd

[fossil cedar]

fair

[stoic island]

Windshields prob didn't put sn570 in tier A because pretty tiny SLC cache so bad sustained but yea

Is good for most people

Just not for large file transfers and such

[fossil cedar]

ahh

[stoic island]

Tbf SLC cache smaller than I thought, just 12gb, but not too bad sustained and recovers quick because small

[carmine swallow]

Is rx580 at 4 gb better than gtx 1060 with 3 gb vram?

Got both at around the same price and trying to decide which is worth the buy. I'm guessing rx580 should be better cuz of the slightly better vram?

[fossil cedar]

the 1060 is a bit better

[stoic island]

Stronger core outperforms more vram

[carmine swallow]

Alright thanks

[noble moat]

What’s best trading desktop? Thanks

[plain grove]

I need help

Blue screen of death I think

[fossil cedar]

Uhh what's the budget

[fossil cedar]

Try f1

[plain grove]

800$

[fossil cedar]

Was talking to the other guy

[noble moat]

$2k-$3k

[fossil cedar]

Jeez ehh how serious will you be trading lol, also prebuilt or diy

[noble moat]

I have 1pc , needs one more , okay , forget about budget. Needs nice one (6-8 monitors ) xe ez trading , falcon, orbital build around $4-$5k.

[plain grove]

@fossil cedar

I pressed f1

And it came up as the same thing

Help

Someone

@fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

jeesus calm

[fossil cedar]

did you try enter?

[plain grove]

Yes

[fossil cedar]

try f8

[fossil cedar]

what resolution monitors?

[sharp temple]

I love winter...
But
I miss making money from mowing lawns I cant upgrade my pc

[sharp temple]

4 and see whats worng

[errant fiber]

u don't need to upgrade a 3060/5600x do you?

[sharp temple]

No i just want sleeved cables and a vertical mount

[errant fiber]

oh

me too

me too.

[sharp temple]

maybe a new gaming chair

[errant fiber]

don't get a gaming chair

[plain grove]

Nothing happened

Pressed 4 and it went back to main screen

[noble moat]

2560 x 1440 -27”-32”

[sharp temple]

at least a better chair than a $100 one of of amazon that sounds like im farting every time I move

[plain grove]

@fossil cedar

[errant fiber]

don't get a gaming chair at all. get a decent office chair and your back will thank you

[fossil cedar]

Nah

[fossil cedar]

Are you running an overclock or mixed ram?

[fossil cedar]

Okay 1 sec

[fossil cedar]

hey, how much storage do you want?

@noble moat https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nDQVqp you could add more storage if its needed but this should do just fine for 8 monitors

[plain grove]

@fossil cedar no not that I know off

[fossil cedar]

I'd try go into bios and turn off xmp then see if that helps

[plain grove]

Alright

Where do I go @fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

try oc settings

[plain grove]

I turned off xmp and it still doesn’t work

@fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

do you have a different pc you can make a new windows install usb on?

[plain grove]

Yes

[fossil cedar]

easiest thing may be to make a new one of those

then install and keep your files

[plain grove]

And I have to rebuy windows 10?

[fossil cedar]

nope

[plain grove]

Alright

I’ll try that

[fossil cedar]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 run this and put it on the usb

[noble moat]

Ssd - 1T enough for me

[fossil cedar]

then id go with the link i sent you

maybe 64gb of ram if you dont need 128

but idk how intensive the trading stuff is on ram

[formal girder]

Hmm

What kind of trading are we talking

Like stock trading?

[noble moat]

Yeah , Ram 64 or 128 is good , but graphic card 4gb little small , no?

[noble moat]

Note:The ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard.

Note:Some physical dimension restrictions cannot (yet) be automatically checked, such as cpu cooler / RAM clearance with modules using tall heat spreaders.
(Flag issues/incompatibilities as incorrect.)
And I’m seeing problems

[fossil cedar]

Nope that's perfectly fine

[fossil cedar]

Yeah with Intel 12th gen being new the bracket isn't in many coolers you can contact arctic and they can send you out a lga1700 bracket

[noble moat]

Thanks a lot for your help sir

[fossil cedar]

No problem

[strong raft]

980 throttles down after 360ish GB sustained? Not too bad, but yikes at that long line near sata speeds. Thnx for previous pic. Shows almost any nvne is a great choice for most game use. 🤘

[remote kelp]

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232880 anyone know when/if this is going to be on sale? i keep checking every so often for the past year and price doesn't seem to be moving (one of the two sticks messed up when i was building my pc and i was waiting for a sale to get more RAM sticks lol)

any info would be appreciated, tyty

[topaz kestrel]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232882 the one you sent was a third party seller

oh wait no it wasnt, it was just cas 16 not 18

[strong raft]

Not trying to use 3 sticks are ya? Maybe just aim for a 2x16GB set instead?

[topaz gazelle]

@fossil cedar @bold turret - thanks guys for the tips - gonna buy in new year, once I get back home. Hate to order now, not get them, and have them sit for days on the porch 😉

[remote kelp]

i have one stick working rn out of the two i bought last year, so i was waiting for it to go on sale so i can just get two sets and then use 4 sticks or something lol

[strong raft]

4sticks are ok if not OCing but generally not suggested these days unless a 4x kit. 2 kits might not cooperate well & 4x8 is often $20+ more than 2x16GB

[remote kelp]

ooh okay, thanks for the tip, i'll just get the one pack then

[fossil cedar]

No problem

[unkempt vine]

question, is 1600 too low for a build these days?

[autumn wolf]

1600 usd? no thats a fine price depending on the type of machine you want

other currencies, might be a little rough

[unkempt vine]

yeah USD sorry, i do some gaming but nothing intense i think? my gaming laptop died so i figured its time to try a desktop.

[autumn wolf]

yeah youll be able to find some good pc's around that price. people recommend abs for the most part here for a pre-built but theres potentially other stuff out there too

[unkempt vine]

is prebuilt generally good or should i venture into building it myself(this option kinda intrigues me)

[autumn wolf]

currently right now in this market, buying a prebuilt is the better option. if you can find a gpu at a good price, then you can venture into building a pc yourself.

if you really really want to build a pc now, nzxt has a bld kit where they ship you a big box with all the pc parts and you build it yourself and they even give you some tools and a colored step by step guide on building a pc however youd need to replace the power supply for it since its not that great of a power supply. but overall its a decent price for what you get as well as experience

and also youd have to buy more storage if you need it, think it comes with a single 1tb nvme

[unkempt vine]

well my laptop only had 256gb so 1tb sounds like alot lol

thank you hun

[little osprey]

whats a good gpu and cpu for build budget of 1k?

[fossil cedar]

Depends what currency

And why do you keep changing budget?

[mossy venture]

Usd probably 10th or 11th gen i5

[strong raft]

If USD, cpu pick could be the 10400 for $155ish currently. mobo has tons of choices and ram quite a few options. Much else is personal choice.

[humble fossil]

hello

ASUS TUF Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti V2 OC Edition Graphics Card (PCIe 4.0, 8GB GDDR6, LHR, HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 1.4a, Dual Ball Fan Bearings, Military-Grade Certification, GPU Tweak II)

ASUS ROG Strix NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 V2 OC Edition Gaming Graphics Card (PCIe 4.0, 12GB GDDR6, HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 1.4a, Axial-tech Fan Design, 2.7-Slot, Super Alloy Power II, GPU Tweak II)

[mossy venture]

I already answered you

3060 ti is much better

[humble fossil]

ok

but why the second More expensive

[mossy venture]

Because people price things stupid

If you insist on not believing me or pato

https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-3060-Ti-vs-GeForce-RTX-3060

My question to you us

Why ask for help if you won't listen to it lmao

[dusty arrow]

Ti is more expensive

[humble fossil]

The problem is that the one with the most beautiful colors

[mossy venture]

My guy

If you want to waste money on pretty colors

Go ahead

But the 3060 ti is much better

[humble fossil]

I think I will buy the ti

@mossy venture thank you

[oblique gull]

if you live near and mircocenter and have time to enter their weekly raffles then hell yeah

build it

[untold vessel]

@fossil cedar Alright Pato, I’m doing it! I’m finally building my actual PC and need parts. I’m going for 4K gaming with no compromises whatsoever. I’m dead serious, I want to go all out. My Budget is Legitimately $5,000 for the Craziest, No Compromise 4K beast of a build you can make, 3 Monitors, the Craziest Keyboard, and the best Drag Clicking mouse you can possibly dream up. You can use scalped prices, because I’m all in on this.

[rocky grove]

There’s a asus strix 3090 on the shuffle for $2299 is that reasonable?

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

[untold vessel]

Its MSRP is $1,499 but seeing scalping prices as of late you might as well

[mossy venture]

That's the founders msrp

Not the strix

[rocky grove]

Ok thanks

[untold vessel]

Whoops, didn’t see the strix part

[fossil cedar]

That's about average price for any 3090 atm

[untold vessel]

Pato I’m sincerely convinced you’re an incredibly intelligent AI

[mossy venture]

Incredibly intelligent is accurate

[untold vessel]

You’re up 24/7 literally whenever I need help you’re always here to provide god tier knowledge

I’m just trying to figure out how in the world he manages it

[fossil cedar]

Just gaming?

Rgb?

Wifi?

[hard badge]

5k including the monitors will have compromises now. ;P

[untold vessel]

Just Gaming! No fancy RGB or Cool case needed, just the most god-tier stats available are needed. Wifi is wonderful

[mossy venture]

Not really

One 4k monitor with two 1080p sides, leaves 3.5k for the pc

[untold vessel]

@fossil cedar y’know what, he’s right; Make it $6,000 with monitor included

[hard badge]

Are you streaming? Do you care for Raytracing? Do you care for DLSS 2.0?

[untold vessel]

No streaming! I just want to load up 4K (and eventually 8k) gaming with every single possible physical setting turned up to max

And yes Raytracing would be amazing

I’d be going for the closest graphical thing to real life

Indistinguishable from reality

[hard badge]

Ah. Was trying to see if you could go Team Red. 6900xt has good performance but lacks NVENC(for streaming) and a decent method of doing Raytracing.

[fossil cedar]

Okay

[hard badge]

6900xt is also a bit more readily available online compared to the 3090. (Non scalped...sorta)

[untold vessel]

I have to be honest, I have a baseless bias for intel. I’ve always felt that intel cares for quality over quantity over everything else

I’ve done little research on the difference between the two, to be quite honest. Would you tell me more?

[hard badge]

3090 and 6900 XT are the two highest end (basically to the point of ridiculousness) GPU's for this generation. 3090 however is definitely aimed more towards creators as well, with it having mostly the same gaming performance as the 3080 ti.

[hard badge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nf6sbh leaves 3k for 2 more monitors and a GPU 😅 non RGB build. Unless the Mobo has lights on it.

@fossil cedar how'd i do^

Not that a 12900k is needed for gaming. 😅

[mossy venture]

For 4k I'd say 12700k just to leave more for better monitors but looks good

To me anyways

Patos better at parts lists ofc

Also maybe less ssd storage

[vague oracle]

I’d do something like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4JvnsX

EK-basic AIO just performs worse than the D-RGB one

You can always turn off the RGB if you don’t want it

Samsung 980 pro has a bit better rand IO than the SN850 iirc

12700K and 12900K have virtually identical single core performance

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j2q4F8

[untold vessel]

LETS GOOO

[untold vessel]

Did you need more money for the scalped DDR5? I can secretly do $8,000 max

[vague oracle]

How is that Adata m2? I was thinking about buying it but didn’t really see any benchmarks

[fossil cedar]

Mixing kits that high even if same kit is risky, 12900k not needed, ek basic isn't as good as rgb, p500a digital same price 2 more fans, psu overspending also gigabyte ddr4 z690 boards are having mem training issues @vague oracle

[fossil cedar]

Fast ddr4 is better

[fossil cedar]

S tier

[untold vessel]

Ah, do you guys think I should just wait until QUALITY ddr5 becomes commonplace?

At least right now currently ddr5 is not up to standards?

[fossil cedar]

Nope

[vague oracle]

That’ll take a couple years i think

[untold vessel]

In that case time to buy

[vague oracle]

Probably will also get cheaper down the line

[hard badge]

true

[untold vessel]

This is actually the coolest build I’ve seen in forever

It’s a shame that the 3090 is $3,200 something dollars

Could’ve afforded two other of those 31 inch 4K monitors if it wasn’t

[hard badge]

Thats a placeholder price if you buy from a scalper

[vague oracle]

Did EVGA fix their problems with the fan controller killing the card?

[hard badge]

if you live near a Microcenter or Best buy, or get lucky on Wegg you can get a 3090 for sub 2300

[untold vessel]

I LIVE NEXT TO A BEST BUY

[hard badge]

next drop will be in January probably.

[vague oracle]

Perfect! If you wait on line early enough you should be able to get one for MSRP

[hard badge]

as long as you aren't overclocking the FE should be fine cooling wise huh? after you replace the thermal pads?

[vague oracle]

Not sure how the stock cooling is, I immediately waterblocked mine

[hard badge]

Which waterblock did you get?

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

[fossil cedar]

Read the pins in #graphics-cards for a guide on how to buy not scalped

[vague oracle]

I got one of the bykski ones

I’m thinking of replacing it for something a bit more high quality

[hard badge]

I might get one of the Alphacool AIO kits from Alphacool

[desert gulch]

not super super risky here since we know its for sure rev e

so while you may lose some oc potential, it still should run at rated xmp

[fossil cedar]

Yeah ik but still some risk of xmp not working

[desert gulch]

all 3000+ 2x8 ballistix with the exception of the 5100 kit are Rev E

iirc the 5100 is rev n

but def better chances of working than buying lpx or an unknown die kit

[fossil cedar]

Ofc ya just saying not good practice etc

[desert gulch]

yea

[limber oyster]

Replacing my 2070S with an Asus ROG strix 3080 OC

$1700 with shipping

Should be here on 26th

Here's hoping it actually works

[fossil cedar]

Omg you heavily overpaid

[limber oyster]

I originally was gonna get a 240mm liquid cooled 3080ti Asus ROG strix

This was $2000 cheaper

[limber oyster]

But still better than a HP Blower 2070S

[fossil cedar]

Debatable at that price

[limber oyster]

I thermal throttle at 80°

I can only get 1500mhz boost clock

And I paid $800 for the 2070S

So ....

Asus is newer, more VRAM, faster, and better cooled

And can OC easier

Gonna sell my 750w PSU and get a 1000W from best buy

[desert gulch]

But hey if it's fhr he got a deal

Plus factor in strix tax

[limber oyster]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-3080-strix-rtx3080-o10g-v2-gaming/p/N82E16814126534?Item=9SIAYTVFU88452&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIAYTVFU88452-_-12212021

Should I get a 1000w Corsair for $190 or 1200w Corsair for $300

After I sell my old gpu and psu

[topaz kestrel]

why do you need a 1000-1200w psu?

[limber oyster]

So I don't need to upgrade again in the future

Atleast for a while

I have a 750w rn

[topaz kestrel]

by future you mean the next 50 years? what pc is gonna need 1200w with a single gpu in it lol

im just messin. if you feel like you need it go for it lol

[topaz kestrel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdFbt6/evga-supernova-g6-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g6-1000-x1why not just go with smth like this? alot cheaper

[fossil cedar]

4090 probs

[topaz kestrel]

oof

[limber oyster]

Was gonna do best buy as it's right next door to where I live

They always have a 1000w in stock

[topaz kestrel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Qgx2FT/phanteks-revolt-x-1200w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ph-p1200ps im not recommending\ this cus idk if its good but look how curvy it is lol

[little osprey]

im running a ryzen 5 5600x on a x370 board😈

[fossil cedar]

Phanteks amp for 130

[fossil cedar]

It's good

[limber oyster]

How good are they compared to Corsair?

Tbh, I thought about upgrading and staying Asus

[topaz kestrel]

i now recommend it

lol

[limber oyster]

Thier PSUs fell in lrice

*price

[fossil cedar]

Phanteks amp is a tier tho

[limber oyster]

True

[stoic island]

Hx plat 1200w for 220$ of Amazon atm
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MZ8A8NW

20$ cheaper, same tier

[severe verge]

hello

[little osprey]

Soo, I was messing around in the bios and I noticed my dram frequency was pretty low. So I bumped it up to the memory frequency thinking that was the memory frequency menu. I clicked save and now my system won't post. My Memory frequency is 3600 mhz so I'm guessing dram is that times 2 so yeah I don't what to do now

[stoic island]

Yea

[stoic island]

Clear cmos

[little osprey]

Alright

[little osprey]

Thanks, forgot cmos resets bios settings to factory 😅

[stoic island]

:)

Just keep in mind the memory frequency is half of the transfer rates the sticks are advertised at

[little osprey]

Yeahh I learned that after I switched it lol

[rugged sparrow]

Yo

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-supreme-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i7-11700kf-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-1tb-ssd-black/6479739.p?skuId=6479739&ref=NS&loc=101

Is this good or no

I was comparing it to https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali473-gladiator/p/N82E16883360058R

[stoic island]

One is 300$ more which kinda disqualifies it

[rugged sparrow]

Oh wait nvrm wrong one I mean this one instead of the first one https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-xtreme-desktop-intel-core-i7-11700f-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-1tb-hdd-500gb-ssd-black/6481354.p?skuId=6481354&ref=NS&loc=101

[stoic island]

100$ more for a worse GPU and for cyberpower is a no

@rugged sparrow there's also just
https://youtu.be/M68aE1za_Ak

[rugged sparrow]

My dad is buying it for me and is skeptic about open box

[topaz kestrel]

your dad clearly isnt a true gamer 💔

[stoic island]

Then go for smth like
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali559/p/N82E16883360189

[topaz kestrel]

if you dont listen do daddy nexus you dont have a right to live

im joking

[stoic island]

@rugged sparrow point is cyberpower suck so don't go for them unless they're really cheap and you can swap out problematic things

Abs tend to be decent

[topaz kestrel]

im pretty sure all open boxes are checked they work, and if it doesnt, just send it back lol

[stoic island]

Just go with the 1500$ new 3060ti abs prebuilt if parent doesn't want open box

[rugged sparrow]

@stoic island I know the cpu cooler is bad, can I replace the cpu cooler? And what else is wrong with cyber power

[strong raft]

For regular mobos you can pick from dozens of coolers

[stoic island]

Why not just grab the NEW ABS prebuilt here if you need it to be new
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali559/p/N82E16883360189

And cyberpower uses bad parts, bad case, bad cooler, bad PSU, that kinda thing

[rugged sparrow]

I was thinking about getting an i7 to do 3D rendering and editing

[strong raft]

12600 > 11700, mostly. Extra cores/thread deffo help w/ the cpu-based programs that can use em, for sure.

[kindred pawn]

would i encounter issues downloading a chipset too many times?

[little osprey]

Where can I get a low profile 750 ti that ships to new Zealand for under 90 usd

[little osprey]

im running an OCed 3900X on a b450 board

[topaz kestrel]

ebay

[rocky grove]

Damn didn’t win the shuffle… what are the chances is it hard?

If I do get it, I gotta wait a few months until a family member comes back with it too so that also means I have like 3 months to see if I can get lucky as well

[little osprey]

😈 we are some computer devils

[little osprey]

and i run it OCed 😈

[little osprey]

Shipping is 50 dollars and over from us

[noble moat]

What’s best for trading + gaming + mining?

[little osprey]

Well first you'll need a pickaxe

[cold orbit]

What Motherboard is the best for a Ryzen 9 5900X

[soft arch]

sometimes i just open pcpartpicker and build things like this for fun, any critiques? this was intended to be an entry 1080p gaming setup

[desert gulch]

Better Psu's for the price easily

Cx550 cheap and good

[soft arch]

this was the first fully modular gold rated one i saw

i guess bronze would work out fine

ty for the input, ill change it

[desert gulch]

I mean if you really want fully modular, bitfenix 750 is like $60

[limber oyster]

How good are Antec and aresgame PSUs?

[soft arch]

only saved 5 bucks with the cx550

i think aresgame isn't terrible

not sure about antec, haven't heard much about them

[limber oyster]

Looking for a 1000w 80+gold/plat psu

[desert gulch]

Aresgame is a solid meh

In limited testing it looks to have working protections

But then again you have them lying like crazy about the efficiency rating so who knows

[limber oyster]

Might get the Corsair HX Plat 1000w then

[desert gulch]

EVGA P2 is pretty nice

[limber oyster]

Or evga Super Nova G6 1000w gold

[desert gulch]

Is around $160 iirc

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-P2-1000-XR&associatecode=X30KOT59GPA4GPV

[limber oyster]

I'm getting thru Amazon since I use their drop box hub thingy

The G6 1000w is 30% off rn

[desert gulch]

Oh

[fossil cedar]

Depends what country but I'd consider getting 12700k nowadays

[strong raft]

Semi-mod isn't bad tbh w/ only mobo and maybe cpu power hardwired. Also, many bronze units are very good. 80+ gold mainly just makes electric bill slightyly lower

[limber oyster]

What about gamemax PSUs?

[fossil cedar]

Please don't pay that much for a 1650 and get msi bazooka b560 for the motherboard

[strong raft]

Antec had some of the best psus but idk about currently

[fossil cedar]

That's gonna be a no from me dog

[soft arch]

im just going off of what pcpartpicker offers me

[limber oyster]

?

[fossil cedar]

[soft arch]

these are just for fun, workin examples of different budgets yknow

[desert gulch]

Especially with a pgm

It makes your electric bill super super low

Don't gotta worry about power for years

[fossil cedar]

@limber oyster reference this for PSUs just get the cheapest a tier imo, ie phanteks amp

[limber oyster]

👍

[strong raft]

Was ist dast? Aka what's that?

[fossil cedar]

Then you might as well buy a better prebuilt for less money

[desert gulch]

Even a bitfenix would prolly be cheaper

Hella cheap

[soft arch]

lmao prebuilts are pretty bad atm

i see 1030s in 1k machines

sad times

:(

[fossil cedar]

Not for 1000w

[desert gulch]

Oh yeah they looking for 1kw

[fossil cedar]

What's your budget? And no they're not

[desert gulch]

I still think they should grab a P2 but they only using Amazon so rip

P2 is like 150 on evga

[soft arch]

im not on a budget really, just learning how to spec pcs in my off time

its pretty fun

[limber oyster]

P2 OOS

[soft arch]

getting insight is nice too, so ty for that

[desert gulch]

Not on evga

[limber oyster]

Ahh

[fossil cedar]

@soft arch if you're looking for around 1k this is a steal https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali564-master/p/N82E16883360194R

[soft arch]

that cooler is sus

but sexy

[limber oyster]

But yeah, I sleep all day so for expensive stuff I use the Amazon hub drop box

[soft arch]

abs has pretty bad customer support

but that's a hell of a deal for sure

[desert gulch]

We are abs customer support

Lol

Abs is newegg

[limber oyster]

Now if shipping arrives on my day off I'll do some other retailer, otherwise I almost exclusively use Amazon

[desert gulch]

Don't insult us 😭😭😭😭

[fossil cedar]

Their customer support is fine and they're build quality is good so you won't need it really anyway

[soft arch]

thats a big talk but hey respect that

[desert gulch]

*we are

[soft arch]

👍

[limber oyster]

I'll get the AMP

[soft arch]

well im just tryina figure it out anyhow

think its a useful little hobby

[limber oyster]

Kinda want to stick with an Asus PSU tho ngl

[strong raft]

Asus psu??

[soft arch]

??

[limber oyster]

I have a 750w 80+ gold fully modular psu rn

But I'm getting a 3080 so...gonna need to upgrade psu

[desert gulch]

What CPU?

[soft arch]

^

[limber oyster]

7 3700x

[desert gulch]

You'd prolly be fine with a 750 tbh

[fossil cedar]

Why?!?

[limber oyster]

Mine was $50 brand new

[fossil cedar]

What model?

[limber oyster]

I also have a ton of RGB and such

[soft arch]

rgb is like nothing lmao

[limber oyster]

I have a 750w 80+ gold fully modular psu rn

[fossil cedar]

RGB doesn't take much

[desert gulch]

Which model tho

[limber oyster]

I just said which model twice

[fossil cedar]

What model tho that means little to nothing

[desert gulch]

There's some absolute crap 750 watt gold's out there

We need a brand and model

[soft arch]

750 works for my build, and the 5900x is a hungry lil guy

[desert gulch]

Like "MSI agf"

Or something

[limber oyster]

Rog strix

[fossil cedar]

That's not a model that's like saying the model of my laptop is a 15" lenovo lol

[desert gulch]

Oh then that's a good psu

[limber oyster]

Asus ROG strix

[desert gulch]

Should be a tier iirc

[fossil cedar]

There ya go

[limber oyster]

I kinda want to get a higher power ROG strix psu

[soft arch]

why strix lmao

[limber oyster]

Why not

[soft arch]

dont pay a premium for gamer branding

[limber oyster]

My GPU is Asus, my Mobo is asus

[strong raft]

Someone here scored a $150 rog psu for $40ish I heard

[limber oyster]

Yeee

I got it for $50

[fossil cedar]

It do be

[limber oyster]

And the fan is super silent too

[desert gulch]

Multi rail?

Or is it one of those switchable ones?

[limber oyster]

Ohhh 850 plat for 200....

[strong raft]

No offense If I mention an old story & forget who said it. Bad w/ names & so many people here

[limber oyster]

Hmmm ROG Thor 850 is $200

[fossil cedar]

Single

[desert gulch]

Ah still good enough

[limber oyster]

Tempting

[desert gulch]

I'd say it's enough for a 3080 + 3700x tbh

[limber oyster]

Not much more than the AMP

[fossil cedar]

EW

[limber oyster]

Lol

1000w for $235

[fossil cedar]

That's daylight robbery

[limber oyster]

But....silent fan tho

[soft arch]

bruh if u got like 8 rgb fans you wont notice a lil extra fan

[desert gulch]

Most psu fans are basically silent

[limber oyster]

7 actually

[desert gulch]

Revo df 850 is $110 rn

It's a cwt

[soft arch]

yeah u wont notice any gold psu lmao

[desert gulch]

Basically a rmx/msi agf

Basically same internals

[limber oyster]

Imma get the 1000w Asus

[soft arch]

1000w is excessive i think

[limber oyster]

For 4000 series rtx lmao

[soft arch]

arent u gettin a 3080

or are u just gonna upgrade every other year and dump money

?

[limber oyster]

Cause then I won't need to buy ANOTHER psu WHEN I get one

[desert gulch]

Why not just cross that bridge when you get there

[limber oyster]

God autocorrect

[fossil cedar]

That's a fairly common feature

[desert gulch]

It wouldn't hurt to keep the 750 for your current setup

[limber oyster]

I'm getting the Asus ROG strix gaming OC 3080

[desert gulch]

When?

[soft arch]

if u get a 3080 i dont think the 4000 series will be worth upgrading to

[limber oyster]

26th thru the 17th of January

[soft arch]

wait for 5000 or whatever

[limber oyster]

Pfttt pcpp says the 3080 has a recommended W of 320

[soft arch]

whats ur cpu

[limber oyster]

7 3700x

[fossil cedar]

Because that's the tdp

[fossil cedar]

Then just keep the 750w

[soft arch]

ok so a 750 watt should be ok

[fossil cedar]

Upgrade when you buy a powerful enough gpu

[soft arch]

and don't buy the 40 series

3080 should be good enough for upcoming titles in at least 1440p

youll be fine without 1000w asus gamer 200 dollar platinum silent marketing supreme psu

dont upgrade for the sake of upgrading

[limber oyster]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rkhtmk

Here's my build with the 3080 and the Asus 1000w psu

Rn I have a HP Blower 2070S and a Asus 750w

[soft arch]

why 3 different ssds

[fossil cedar]

The 750w strix psu is plenty lol

[limber oyster]

I was told I'd need atleast 850w

[soft arch]

by who?

[fossil cedar]

Nah good 750w is enough

[limber oyster]

Believe it was Pato

[soft arch]

OOOHHH

[limber oyster]

Was talking with him earlier

[fossil cedar]

If you're buying a new one you should get 850w

If you have a lower power cpu 750w is grand

But i was talking about buying both new

[limber oyster]

Actually...take off one of those monitors, it's now dedicated to my Xbox one

[fossil cedar]

Doesn't really make a difference lol

[limber oyster]

Lol ik

[soft arch]

but why 3 different ssds tho

[limber oyster]

I just want it to be as accurate

[limber oyster]

I had a 1tb 970 Evo plus, but gave it to my younger brother

And So i got a 1TB 980 to replace it

The 250 is for OS and any small software

[soft arch]

why not use the 980 for the boot drive

the 970 is kinda redundant

[limber oyster]

1TB is for big games, 2tb sata is mass storage, 2tb external is for any files I need to take with me

[soft arch]

sure

[limber oyster]

Because I already had it on the 970 and didn't want to go thru all the work of switching

[desert gulch]

Lol you downgraded

[limber oyster]

Besides then the 250 would be useless

[limber oyster]

980 PRO

[desert gulch]

Oh pro

Was gonna say non pro is a downgrade

[limber oyster]

Look thru the list

[desert gulch]

Any leaks with the aio yet?

They're not uncommon with the leakermax iii

[limber oyster]

Nope

[desert gulch]

That's good then

[limber oyster]

I got the newer revision

[strong raft]

250 is plenty for a boot drive. I prefer it because if it's replaced or dies, not dealing w/ 500GB/1TB

[fossil cedar]

960 evo plus is better than 980

[limber oyster]

And if it fails, it's not an expensive replacement

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vG7X9N

Updated

[fossil cedar]

Drives don't really randomly die these days, my 6/7 year old sata ssd is still going strong

[strong raft]

Although, prices now I wouldn't get anothet 250.

[limber oyster]

I got this 3 years ago for my $500 Dell laptop to replace the 32GB Optane memory ssd

[desert gulch]

cough cough, smr barracuda

[fossil cedar]

Was talking about ssds

[desert gulch]

Oh yeah for ssds

[fossil cedar]

Who in their right mind is running a hdd boot drive these days lol

[desert gulch]

Yeah they're fine unless you like chia mining

[fossil cedar]

Dumbest crypto

Literally creates ewaste

[limber oyster]

https://www.newegg.com/asiahorse-fs-9002-3pack-case-fan-accessory/p/1YF-00SS-00040?Description=asiahorse&cm_re=asiahorse-_-9SIAJ00D694475-_-Product

I got two of these on my case

[desert gulch]

Facts

[fossil cedar]

Ok?

[limber oyster]

Was saying so because they aren't in pcpp

[strong raft]

That's when I got my 250. 😅

[fossil cedar]

That's fine they hardly draw much wattage

[strong raft]

I meant to specify just replacing or reinstalling also would be less of a big event possibly, compared to for a 1TB ssd

[limber oyster]

Pato, would you recommend a different motherboard if I intend to OC CPU?

[desert gulch]

No that x570 is great if you already have it

Basically the best vrms you'll get for sub 200 dollars

[limber oyster]

👍

[fossil cedar]

Nice mobo yeah not best but plenty good

[limber oyster]

Ok

I don't intend to do extreme OC so ..

Probably going to get new PSU cables from CableMod

I don't know where my third PSU to you cable went 😅

Gonna get their "RT-Series Pro ModFlex cable kit for Asus and Seasonic"

Red/Black

[cold sphinx]

What wattage psu should I use with a rx6700xt and a ryzen 7 5800x?

[limber oyster]

I have a 750w with a 2070S and a 7 3700x and I'm not even using it to the max

[obsidian wigeon]

wattage ya meant

but i would say 650w min

[limber oyster]

750w should do

[obsidian wigeon]

750w would be good

[cold sphinx]

lol sorry ty for the correction and the info

[obsidian wigeon]

but 850w psus are usually worth gettin instead of 750

[limber oyster]

Pato even said for a 3080 with 7 3700x, 750 is good as long as no GPU OC occurs

[fossil cedar]

650w/750w power supply if you're in the us bitfenix formula 750w is 60$ and a great price

[fossil cedar]

You can still oc a bit i didn't say no oc

Also needs to be a good 750w

[gaunt cedar]

Hi guys is there a different in performance between wd black sn750 vs sn750 se? or should I find an other cheaper option?

[fossil cedar]

Yes and yes, what size are you looking for and are you looking for a budget, mid range or high end ?

[gaunt cedar]

mid range one and looking for a 1tb one

im really tempted bc the sn750 se is on sales

[fossil cedar]

Oh and what country?

[gaunt cedar]

Canada

[fossil cedar]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/3dvdnQ/western-digital-blue-sn570-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds100t3b0c I'd go with this

[desert gulch]

i meannnnnn, a2000 is $20 cheaper

mp33 aswell

[fossil cedar]

Sn570 better tho

[desert gulch]

yeah but its %20 more

so ehhh

[fossil cedar]

They wanted a mid range drive

[desert gulch]

i mean for gaming, a2000 is great

as long as you arent doing large file transfers its good

it even beats pilot e in loading times in games, it just falls behind if you try to move a huge file

[fossil cedar]

Whichever is decent option yeah

[strong raft]

If it's throttle amount is like most nvme drives, those are some huge files to worry about.

[marsh sonnet]

Hi! What can 700 USD get me now?

[fossil cedar]

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-pavilion-gaming-desktop-tg01-1070m-3g825av-1?jumpid=ma_hp-gaming_product-tile_desktops_19_3g825av-1_hp-pavilion-gaming-d this and replace the ram with this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x2tKHx/silicon-power-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp016gxlzu320bdaad

[wintry tide]

can anyone help me with my build?

i’m currently building my PC and it doesn’t turn on

[jagged hill]

i’m getting an antonline bundle that contains a 3060 xc and a modular psu soon

i dont care about the rgb kb or capture card much

but i want that for xmas

[uncut rivet]

hey i wanta to build a pc so looking for CABINETS

[limber oyster]

Y cabinet?

[strong raft]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-james-franco-gif-7829182

TechMonkey, a 1080 ftw not a good GPU? how dare you. Lol, nice build as usual

[obsidian wigeon]

1080 is still so good for me

It mines decent too kek

[eager chasm]

@sullen spoke in here too

He put the invites in several places, basically spamming

[errant fiber]

r u getting a 10700k?

if ur near a microcenter, i'm pretty sure they have them for $149 rn

[strong raft]

Ah, nearest MC is 7 hrs 1-way. Too bad someone can't mail be one, lol. Not sure tbh. 11600k is brand new amazon/newegg, 10700/k is Ebay

[errant fiber]

oh the 10700k is used?

[strong raft]

new actually, but not buy it now*

[errant fiber]

idk how ebay works since i've never used it but, if they're the same price and it's from a reputable seller, the 10700k is an obvious pick

the 2 extra cores is nice and it compares to a 9900k/11700k basically

[strong raft]

yeah MC is $200, good price if I was able. mhm. 10 gen seems cooler or lower power compared to their 11gen cousins also.

[errant fiber]

that's such a good deal

worth the 14 hr commute tho? no

[fossil cedar]

Lol no

[strong raft]

not at all, fuel price would be $80+

[errant fiber]

yeah with these gas prices too

nawwww

[fossil cedar]

Not to mention food and 14hrs of their time

[errant fiber]

hard pass

the 11600k is still a good pick though

[strong raft]

Bingo , using 15ish hours would be another issue.

[errant fiber]

and it'll be a huge upgrade from what you have rn

[strong raft]

So, also found a used 11400F currently at $105 w/ 3 days left. The 107K is $235, pretty close to retail of 116K if no one else bids.

[errant fiber]

ooooo

an 11400f for 105

dude that's really hard to pass out on

[strong raft]

Should I bid on that one, it's ending before the 117 anyways lol

[errant fiber]

perfect for 1080p gaming too

you play on 1080 right?

yeah definitely

bid on it

[fossil cedar]

Putting a 11400 on that mobo would hurt so much

[errant fiber]

completely forgot about that

that's why we have u pato

[strong raft]

haha, non-K on a Z? yea...

[errant fiber]

id still go for the 11400 for the price it is thoigh....

if u have the extra bucks, the 107k is still pretty nice

[fossil cedar]

Not any z, a gaming edge board too

Especially when b560 bazooka is 100$

[strong raft]

LuL, it was "only" 175. True though. It's not like I'm gonna later bother w/ going from 1x4 to 1x7.

[fossil cedar]

175 hurts for that used tbh when you can get 150$ z590s now

[strong raft]

Supposedly it's brand new 🙂 (had a pic)

[fossil cedar]

Which exact model did you get?

[strong raft]

mpg gaming force

[fossil cedar]

Ahh okay phew

Cuz gaming plus is 170 new

[strong raft]

Righto, I tried to research a bit before hand. 😅

[fossil cedar]

But like theseee bar the asrock

Ehh anyway

[strong raft]

for sure, those are all fine choices. Figured I'd try this one. $175 total is close to all those. "oh noes, going from 3 gigabyte mobos to MSI".

ok, let's see how we do on Sat/Sun. Bid $235 on this (new sealed) one ending* soonest. Ebay is mostly for "watching" items also and seeing what stuff often is sold for. 'preciate the input folks.

[little osprey]

which rams best for amd

yall don consider amd

[strong raft]

Certain 3200 cl16 kits

[little osprey]

Bruh

[errant fiber]

3600 cl16

good brand

[little osprey]

no pic perms

[errant fiber]

hit level 3

[strong raft]

Permed hair is grossmmkay

[errant fiber]

facts

[little osprey]

TridnetZ royal/ rbg/ neo?

[strong raft]

Neo Forza is a fine pick, yes trident Z also. Don't get cL18

[errant fiber]

ripjaws are fine too

[little osprey]

All three 3200 cl16

[fossil cedar]

Noo

[fossil cedar]

What country and what ryzen 5000?

For ryzen you want 3600cl16

16 or 32gb?

[little osprey]

Im trying new amd build I was with intel for lik a decade, r5600G they say its the best apu.. goin with rog b550 e

Im jus testing the apu I got a 5900x on the way

[fossil cedar]

I'd grab a cheaper motherboard, no need to spend that much, and what country are you in so i can recommend a kit?

[fossil cedar]

Well on the graphics side, basically, not so much on the cpu side, that would be the 12900k but the graphics are meh on that

[little osprey]

How is that motherboard expensive

[fossil cedar]

It's like 360$

This is a better board imo for way cheaper
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Vb3mP6/gigabyte-b550-aorus-elite-ax-v2-atx-am4-motherboard-b550aorus-elite-axv2

[marsh sonnet]

Hi, I was wondering what can 600-700 USD can get me for a gaming laptop?

I mean what is the best for my budget.

[little osprey]

I don trust gigabyte enough

[little osprey]

don worry about what country I'll take any recommendations

[little osprey]

r u sure u wanna laptop

[errant fiber]

what's wrong with gigabyte?

[marsh sonnet]

Sadly I will be moving a lot so PC is gonna be a pain in my ass

[errant fiber]

other than their psu's they're actually pretty good

[fossil cedar]

Gigabyte make some fantastic motherboards, and that one is really good,

[fossil cedar]

Recommendations depend on the county because of pricing, but 3600cl16, preferably ballistix if its only a small amount more

[little osprey]

Bro how is gigabyte better than rog

[fossil cedar]

Even then, there's also this, which isn't as good but https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2f4BD3/msi-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi

[little osprey]

Im tryin entry lv amd I don wanna mess it up

[fossil cedar]

That's just 2 brands, the gigabyte aorus elite ax is cheaper and has better power delivery if that's what you mean

[fossil cedar]

Huh?

[little osprey]

Likfuture proof motherboard?

[errant fiber]

@fossil cedar tell me to go to bed please it's 5 in the morning

[marsh sonnet]

Pato, What is the best laptop for my budget which is 600-700 USD?

[fossil cedar]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-victus-16-1-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i5-8gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-256gb-ssd-performance-blue/6479080.p?skuId=6479080

[fossil cedar]

I literally just said the other ones where better choices also you cant future proof it, amds next generation is going to be using a different socket

[fossil cedar]

Go bed

[little osprey]

dang

But that one got less usb gen 3 ports

[fossil cedar]

So

1 usb gen 3 is not worth 170$ lol

Just get s hub

[little osprey]

do you use that motherboard youre recommending

[fossil cedar]

@marsh sonnet what country are you in then ? No point converting currency

[marsh sonnet]

Qatar

[fossil cedar]

No i wish i did

[little osprey]

u got any aorus motherboard

[fossil cedar]

Sorry i dont know that area well enough to recommend anything

[fossil cedar]

It doesn't matter lol

✨Reviews✨

[little osprey]

Welp

[fossil cedar]

https://youtu.be/ihg6XQiqW7A

[little osprey]

how about the rog 550f

550e was kinda dum choice

[obsidian wigeon]

b550f is expensive imo

[topaz kestrel]

@little osprey if pato gives you an idea on a pc you take it, pato is infinitely smarter than anyone in this world

But yes rog mobos are when you want looks over performance lol

[topaz kestrel]

My brother has the one pato linked, it’s great for the price

[fossil cedar]

Overpriced

[fossil cedar]

I mean nah i definitely don't know everything but know more than the average person lol

[little osprey]

yo wtf we shouldn't be getting a cheap motherboard

[little osprey]

If the b450 supports ryzen 5000 im getting it

rog 450 f ii

[fossil cedar]

It does but getting a b450 in 2021 is usually a terrible choice unless it's significantly cheaper than the good 120$ ish motherboards also no please don't put a 5900x on a b450 🤮

[topaz kestrel]

It isn’t a cheap motherboard it just isn’t an overpriced piece of rgb crap

[little osprey]

Bru I was trippin

[little osprey]

🚮

[little osprey]

I was talkin bout the b450

[topaz kestrel]

Oh

He didn’t recommend a b450 lol

Oh wait you recommended a b450 for yourself lol

[little osprey]

ye I was talkin to myself

[topaz kestrel]

The board would probably kill itself

[little osprey]

ye

[topaz kestrel]

@little osprey I genuinely don’t think you should go with asus, gigabyte is just the smarter choice

[little osprey]

whats wrong with this one

[little osprey]

elite or pro

[topaz kestrel]

.

[little osprey]

elite v2?

[topaz kestrel]

Click on the link and go to the website it will tell you lol

But yes elite ax v2

[little osprey]

ax v2 is more expensive than the rog f

[topaz kestrel]

No it isn’t?

I just checked lol

[little osprey]

199$ vs 219$

[topaz kestrel]

The gigabyte is 180 and the rog is 200?

You sure you’re looking at the cheapest price on pcpartpicker lol?

[little osprey]

huh

lemme check

[fossil cedar]

Like 5$ less for the non wifi version

[little osprey]

Ill take the wifi version

[civic tusk]

Cringe price and motherboard

[little osprey]

Kring

[civic tusk]

That motherboard costs the same as some z690 boards

[little osprey]

Bru tf

[civic tusk]

Which begs the question why would you go amd

If its a gaming build the 12600k is faster than any amd cpu

And costs close to the price of a 5600x

[scenic turret]

Wait send examples of cheaper Z690s

Literally overpriced everywhere that I checked

[little osprey]

k whyre you pissed

[topaz kestrel]

Z690’s aint cheaper

[scenic turret]

Yeah that's what I thought

[little osprey]

is amd the devil or somethin

[civic tusk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Z3ddnQ/gigabyte-z690-ud-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z690-ud-ddr4

$5 different

[topaz kestrel]

That’s still more expensive lol

[obsidian wigeon]

The reason of 12600K not being as good of a value is Z690 vs B550 in value

[topaz kestrel]

Aint look cheaper to me

[civic tusk]

It's just stupid spending that much on an amd motherboard

[civic tusk]

This exactly

[little osprey]

pathetic

[obsidian wigeon]

But if you're spending a lot on b550 or is considering x570

12600k is it

[scenic turret]

Also lmao Alder Lake just go DDR5 literally. It's in its upgrade path

[little osprey]

U really think intel beaten amds

[civic tusk]

They have

[topaz kestrel]

Ddr5…

[obsidian wigeon]

12600K is real good

[scenic turret]

SERIOUSLY lol

[topaz kestrel]

You lost your argument the second you said ddr5

[scenic turret]

12600k + ddr5

[topaz kestrel]

But yes intel is better than amd “now”

[scenic turret]

I'm sorry I fanboy over ddr5

[obsidian wigeon]

Also you don't need ddr5 rn imo

[topaz kestrel]

Gonna be diff soon

[obsidian wigeon]

No perf gain over 4

At least atm

[scenic turret]

Of course, I'm just being really satire

[little osprey]

or should I wait for ryzen 7000

[civic tusk]

I don't think they have I know they have

[obsidian wigeon]

ah lol

Ryzen 7000 is long into late 2022

[scenic turret]

^

[topaz kestrel]

Ryzen 7000 gonna be expensive asf lol

[mossy venture]

From the leaks I've seen 6000 series is going to be zen3+, but also ddr5, which makes absolutely zero sense

[obsidian wigeon]

It makes sense

[civic tusk]

I've seen nothing to say zen3+ is ddr5

[mossy venture]

And it will supposedly only be apus too

Like 4000 series

[obsidian wigeon]

Oh apu?

[scenic turret]

A little confusing but yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

Nah that's not gonna have ddr5

breh

[little osprey]

My brain is goin to commit sui

[mossy venture]

Idk well have it soon enough

Leaks show it launching at CES

[little osprey]

How are you so stupi

[civic tusk]

?

Are you talking to yourself there

[scenic turret]

Aight let's not have fights here

[obsidian wigeon]

https://youtu.be/OkHMh8sUSuM

[little osprey]

Comparing intel new processor with ryzen last year cpu

[obsidian wigeon]

Well

Yeah but the point still stands

[civic tusk]

Does amd have a new cpu yet to compare?

[topaz kestrel]

Ok I’m not tryna sound like I’m starting something but ofcourse they are? Nothing else to compare to lol

[mossy venture]

Because we don't have any newer amd cpus lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[civic tusk]

No they don't so you compare to what is available

[obsidian wigeon]

There's no newer amd cpus to compare with yet lol

It's not unfair to do this

[scenic turret]

Ye

[obsidian wigeon]

As there's nothing you could do about it

[civic tusk]

And you have the audacity to call someone else stupid

[mossy venture]

Zen3 refresh will beat 12th gen, maybe not with prices though

[civic tusk]

Slaps of irony

[mossy venture]

Well have to see

[scenic turret]

It's always like that

[little osprey]

Welp whats coming aint gonna bless you

[obsidian wigeon]

Zen 3 refresh will either match or beat

But worse value still tho

[topaz kestrel]

Especially when 5950x costs as much as it does you’d expect it to be compared 🤦

[mossy venture]

Theyre adding smthn called a 3d cache I believe

[obsidian wigeon]

Cause the XT refresh will cost more

[topaz kestrel]

Yes

[obsidian wigeon]

Than non XT

[mossy venture]

Which amd is saying will see a 15% gaming boost

[civic tusk]

Amd is saying......

[mossy venture]

I'm not sure about that

[obsidian wigeon]

It will tho lol

[little osprey]

Lets be honest ryzen apu beats intel without a gpu

[scenic turret]

Either way, I want more fierce competition. We going to get better products

[civic tusk]

Ah yes because we trust what manufacturers say

[obsidian wigeon]

Look at 3600X vs 3600XT

It's $50 more

[civic tusk]

Irrelevant statement

[mossy venture]

5600x to 5800x, 5800x msrp might as well be 400$. I dont see them pricing 5600xt over 350

And 5800xt over 500

[topaz kestrel]

No one was speaking about apu here lol

[obsidian wigeon]

They will

I'm sure

[mossy venture]

No

[topaz kestrel]

We’re on about overall performance and price to perf lol

[mossy venture]

They were the same price

[obsidian wigeon]

Like 5600X is already more expensive than 3600X

[civic tusk]

Sounds like an amd fan boy here trying to come up with things to defend amd imo

[mossy venture]

3600xt and 3600x were both 250$

For whatever reason

[obsidian wigeon]

uh, no

3600 was 200

oh wait

[mossy venture]

3600, yes

[obsidian wigeon]

3600x yeah

[mossy venture]

3600x and xt were both 250

[little osprey]

lmao ive been with intel for like 2 decades

[civic tusk]

👍

[obsidian wigeon]

weird

[little osprey]

Amd>

[obsidian wigeon]

But stacking cache is more expensive

[little osprey]

Stay mad lmao

[mossy venture]

Intel has their benefits

[topaz kestrel]

Just because you have your great grandads pentium doesn’t mean anything

[mossy venture]

Amd has their benefits

[obsidian wigeon]

I hope they wouldn't jack the price up tho

[mossy venture]

There is no "better"

[scenic turret]

I would agree

[little osprey]

ik im just trollin

[obsidian wigeon]

AMD at one time used to almost go bankrupt with fx

[civic tusk]

I mean 12th gen is better at most workloads at every price point outside of the 5950x

[obsidian wigeon]

Dark times it was

I don't want AMD to go bankrupt tho

[mossy venture]

Yep

[obsidian wigeon]

Else we're doomed

Competition is good for us all

[mossy venture]

I would go for a 5600x currently if I were to upgrade, purely because I have a b550 already with decent vrms

[civic tusk]

It is but amd's pricing absolutely sucks

[mossy venture]

If I were building a new system I'd go 11600k or 12600k

[civic tusk]

12400....

[obsidian wigeon]

What's matter is which suits you in that given moment and budget

[mossy venture]

Because it's current gen intel to old gen amd

[civic tusk]

Just to play devil's advocate

[little osprey]

Z590s with ddr5 availability...

[mossy venture]

13th gen and 7000 series will be a fair comparison

[obsidian wigeon]

You don't need ddr5 to utilize 12th gen correctly

[little osprey]

z69 ddr4 doesn't make sense

[obsidian wigeon]

ddr5 rn is useless piece of crap

[civic tusk]

What's that got to do with pricing though

[obsidian wigeon]

It's not any faster than much cheaper, good ddr4

[mossy venture]

Because amds prices are equal to what intels prices were then

They still need to make money

[civic tusk]

Amd can't price well because they are having to pay high prices for tsmc production at the moment

[mossy venture]

Even if intel has better price/performance currently

[civic tusk]

Intel obviously doesn't have that problem

[topaz kestrel]

Paying for the flex

[obsidian wigeon]

It does get tiring when I have to keep tellin people that ddr5 is useless rn

I don't want em to waste money lol

[scenic turret]

But but I wanna waste my money on ddr5 6400

[civic tusk]

I don't even think it will be good by the time am5 comes round tbh

[obsidian wigeon]

But I guess if ya have cash to throw just do it xD

[mossy venture]

I'm still more excited for 6000 series than I was for 12th gen

[scenic turret]

Literally lol

[topaz kestrel]

Better than buying nfts

[little osprey]

fr like theres literally no big difference

[obsidian wigeon]

Like for learning oc

[mossy venture]

Because it affects me more

[obsidian wigeon]

Fun stuff

[scenic turret]

ouch...

I've remade 1.2k CAD reselling NFTs

As jokes lol

Didn't intend to

[topaz kestrel]

My statement stands lol

[obsidian wigeon]

if someone steals my art and make it an nft imma make sure they don't have a good time on the internet

[fossil cedar]

Gigabyte ddr4 boards i would highly recommend avoiding atm as they're having memory training issues

[scenic turret]

LOL

[civic tusk]

Apparently fixed with f6 bios

[obsidian wigeon]

wew

[scenic turret]

No what I would do is post my friends as memes and see how much bnb someone would offer

[obsidian wigeon]

anyhow, why am i not surprised of dell bricking stuff with bios update?

[fossil cedar]

Nah, 1 you cant, 2 there's like no difference between good ddr4 and 2 who is gonna upgrade their ram without upgrading the cpu instead

[scenic turret]

Alienware right?

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

[scenic turret]

I was trolling

[obsidian wigeon]

and some dell actually

[fossil cedar]

[obsidian wigeon]

but mainly alienware

[scenic turret]

Literally being satire the whole convo about ddr5

[scenic turret]

Kinda expected, it's dell afterall

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[scenic turret]

Also Dell bios are absolutely the worst still

[fossil cedar]

Nah it was just "improved" and it was only for like 3200-3600 not any higher

[topaz kestrel]

Show me your newegg order history and we will see about that

Lol

[civic tusk]

Also memory training issues are only super prevalent with 1.5v+ v dimm from what I've seen. Although I've heard mixed things @fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

Good

[topaz kestrel]

Bruh I’ve said abs so much my phone is autocorrecting and to abs…

[scenic turret]

Smh, thinking I use wegg to buy ddr5

[obsidian wigeon]

https://videocardz.com/press-release/samsung-launches-enterprise-pcie-gen5-ssd-with-up-to-13-gb-s-read-and-6-6-gb-s-write-speed

mhmm, speed

[scenic turret]

But the price though

[obsidian wigeon]

wrong channel but idc

[scenic turret]

Lmao

Gen 5 going to hurt my wallet

[topaz kestrel]

Petabyte read speeds when

[obsidian wigeon]

at least it's speedy af

[fossil cedar]

I mean I'd just steer clear from them atm especially when z690 prime and a pro are such decent prices

[little osprey]

Price goes brrrrrr

[obsidian wigeon]

https://videocardz.com/newz/adata-shows-off-pcie-gen5-m-2-ssds-with-up-to-14-gb-s-sequential-read-speed

I trust samsung more than this tbh

[civic tusk]

I agree with the msi myself that would be my go to option. The only reason I posted was to show how stupid it is to pay $195 for a b550 f gaming

[obsidian wigeon]

Wait damn look at dem dram chips

There's two

[scenic turret]

Seeing all these potential CES releases is convincing me to fly to CES 2022

[little osprey]

pcie 4.0+ isn't for anyone

[obsidian wigeon]

intel new stock cooler for 12th gen

an abomination

[civic tusk]

What a weird looking thing

[topaz kestrel]

What the word I can’t say

[obsidian wigeon]

Most of that is plastic

[topaz kestrel]

And ugly

[obsidian wigeon]

The aluminum inside is smaller

[civic tusk]

The amount of heatsink surface area looks terrible

[topaz kestrel]

They should just steal the wraith and swap and logo with intel

[little osprey]

pLaStIc?

[obsidian wigeon]

different mounting tho

oh wait

[topaz kestrel]

Zip ties

[civic tusk]

[scenic turret]

Stock coolers smh

[civic tusk]

Modern problems require modern solutions

[obsidian wigeon]

some blue leds i guess

[scenic turret]

lol

[topaz kestrel]

Idk why some people use stock coolers on some higher end cpus when 212’s or scythes are so cheap

[obsidian wigeon]

needlessly big

[scenic turret]

Ikr

[topaz kestrel]

Oof

[scenic turret]

Fuma 2 such a great buy

[civic tusk]

Well hyper 212 is mediocre for a start

[topaz kestrel]

They tryna make a statement for no reason xd

Intel is just weird

[topaz kestrel]

My point exactly

[topaz kestrel]

Cheap and decent

[obsidian wigeon]

there's also this

[scenic turret]

Intel stock cooler will forever be a meme

[obsidian wigeon]

so little alu

[topaz kestrel]

Not recommending it for a 5900 but you get when I mean

[obsidian wigeon]

so much plastic

[civic tusk]

Cheap? Yes. Decent? Debatable

[scenic turret]

Oh yea I've seen that, apparently its only seen in southern America??

[obsidian wigeon]

huh

[scenic turret]

Yeah some leaks from the Argentina or something