building-and-recc-chat

[analog hearth]

just see if something changes

[barren flame]

Will leave the pc without the battery for 15 minutes

Or some

Last time i left it like this for half a hour

[little osprey]

HI I build my motherbord it turn on but every usb not work and noting is on the screen

[obsidian wigeon]

What motherboard?

You meant your rig?

Anyway, where did you plug the monitor into?

And what cpu does it have?

[barren flame]

Ok, it's been half a hour since I unplugged bios battert

Ram lighted instantly after plugging into the power

Resetting CMOS again

10 seconds after turning on the psu

Ram started to light

PC itself is off

Ram just lights up

Well yet again no effect

[fossil cedar]

@barren flame try reseat your ram

[barren flame]

U mean place it in different slots?

[fossil cedar]

just take it out and put it back in first

[barren flame]

Can I go just with 1 stick?

[fossil cedar]

Try with 1 stick if you want but i would just take out and put back in first

[barren flame]

K reseated ran

Ram

And launching pc

Now my cooler does not light up too

And after reset it did

I don't kniw

[little osprey]

@barren flame what were you trying to do before the computer stopped working. And can you describe the issue for me?

[little osprey]

bruh.

[cosmic wraith]

@bitter mason Your pc is looking nice!

[cerulean root]

I just seen a news feed or something saying that new world is breaking gpus, does that only apply with ultra grapic settings or if i go on high/medium will i be fine?

Or is it a 4k thing? Is 1080p good still?

[vague oracle]

Mostly 3080-3090

[stoic island]

Saw new world also killing some AMD cards

[stoic island]

And tbh that probably isn't the issue, it's just the load it puts on the GPU somehow

[fossil cedar]

It's killing any cards lol

[jagged hill]

I ultimately decided to build that HTPC for my dad's bedroom.

[jagged ember]

something about the game causing the card to push more frames than it physically can handle or something

and then something on the card goes boom

or something like that lol

[jagged hill]

I'd give him the upcoming build on the house.

He's helped me with a lot of financial stuffs even recently (I'm 24 for reference), so it's the least I can do.

He wanted it as a work station that can also play movies.

Once I give him this, my pops can put away that old Dell dino his former employee gave him.

[potent portal]

The best advice I've seen if you want to play that game is drop your power limit to like 80-90% and don't overclock. It seems to be the way the game calls functions is forcing more power through the gpu than it can handle. I saw one that started literally smoking.

[jagged hill]

Have any of you built PCs for or with family members who cared to learn about this?

[fossil cedar]

I'd drop to 70% to be safe if you were to risk it tbh

[jagged hill]

Whether younger or older...

[fossil cedar]

Yup my younger bro

[jagged hill]

Nice!

Y'know, I'm honestly surprised my dad was willing to appreciate my new skills with this.

Even with the huge age and cultural differences.

b00mer age but not mindset if you will

[potent portal]

You don't need a powerful gpu for a htpc, so at least you don't need to worry about that. Maybe a ryzen 5600g/5700g would do tbh.

[jagged hill]

I ultimately decided against a video card for this.

And I'm working with a Ryzen 3 with integrated, assuming I can find one.

The only thing I'm worried about is a clever chassis.

[potent portal]

That'll work for low end, sure

[jagged hill]

Yeah it's meant to be a work station that can do home theater.

But not one that always has to run movies.

My pops has the streaming on his Roku TV if he wants movies.

I'm just happy to give him something useful.

[potent portal]

Most workstations aren't used for heavy tasks, mostly office and browsing, so that processor shouldn't be a problem

[jagged hill]

His main tasks will be office and browsing.

[fossil cedar]

I'd recommend an intel cpu then tbh

[jagged hill]

The mobo i have happens to prefer AMD.

[wispy matrix]

What mobo?

[jagged hill]

That's the big reason I'm going for the Ryzen family.

[fossil cedar]

If they don't need vega graphics then intel would be better choice

Ohh

[jagged hill]

Lemme check.

It's that B450 micro ATX that fried a few weeks ago and came back from MSI Friday, rember?

I think I discussed that story in Newegg's Discord.

This is the first time I can say I'm actually working with what I have since I've accumulated newer parts.

And not parts from before 2014.

[cerulean root]

what if i just put grapics on like medium or high?

[potent portal]

Those are always the most fun builds for me, just the old scrap parts getting new life and purpose

[jagged hill]

Yeah, the spare mobo was got me into this.

If it were Intel, I'd get those CPU types.

[fossil cedar]

Won't stop it from spiking, it will just give more fps lol

[jagged hill]

If my dad uses office, is an SSD still a good idea?

[fossil cedar]

Definitely

[jagged hill]

He might appreciate the speed?

[fossil cedar]

Ssd is a must

[wispy matrix]

Yeah you’ll be fine

[jagged hill]

SSD for OS, HDD for stuff?

[fossil cedar]

Hdds for Windows suck

[jagged hill]

Does Linux have the same issue with HDD?

[fossil cedar]

Can put stuff on ssd too

Windows doesn't have an issue with hdds?

[wispy matrix]

Or you can grab a 1tb ssd for right now

[jagged hill]

Wait, what kind of Linux user would not use an SSD?

lmao

[wispy matrix]

And that will be fine

[jagged hill]

I have a 240GB for OS that my dad can use.

It's SATA unfort...

[fossil cedar]

Ssds are the bare minimum for os these days

Sata is good still

[stoic island]

Sata SSD still fine

[jagged hill]

Are HDD useless now?

or yet

[stoic island]

HDDs still useful for mass storage

[fossil cedar]

Sata to nvme is nowhere as big as hdd to ssd

[wispy matrix]

No they are decent but good for bigger storage

[jagged hill]

imagine an NVMe HDD

oh no

[fossil cedar]

For boot yes, for mass storage at cheap, no

[stoic island]

No reason for that to happen

[jagged hill]

i wasn't being serious about an m.2 hdd

[stoic island]

HDDs just can't really saturate bandwidth of NVMe

[jagged hill]

hence the oh no

[stoic island]

I mean, you could run hdds off pcie slots if you want

Just won't saturate

[jagged hill]

wait those exist?

[stoic island]

Converters exist

[jagged hill]

i joke about something only to find out they exist

my pops won't need a huge amount of storage

[stoic island]

Tbh there's m.2 to sata too afaik

[jagged hill]

wait what

[stoic island]

So you can do a pcie card with m.2 slots and then converter to HDDs

[wispy matrix]

1tb of hdd should be fine

And a 240gb ssd

[jagged hill]

I can get him one later

i have the 240gb ssd

[wispy matrix]

They are really cheap

[jagged hill]

for os

[fossil cedar]

I mean depending on the use case 240gb ssd is enough

[jagged hill]

documents

[stoic island]

But yea nowadays 500gb SSD for 50$ is commonplace either way

[jagged hill]

of words

not much in the way of pictures, music, or video

[fossil cedar]

And 1tb ssds are usually meh, 10$ more and a 2tb hdd you have

[jagged hill]

that's a small price jump

nice

[wispy matrix]

There is some 1tb that are around 80-100 dollars

[stoic island]

I mean

[fossil cedar]

I mean they already have 240gb ssd so might as well use that

[stoic island]

Yes I mean if it's not enough, cheap addition

[jagged hill]

yeah the parts i already have are the b450 amd mobo, 240gb ssd, and wifi card, although a 500w psu and 16gb ram are coming soon

would 16gb be enough for office?

or too much

[wispy matrix]

That would be fine

[fossil cedar]

16gb plenty

Nice amount

[jagged hill]

maybe he can settle for 8?

i can give him the full 16 i ordered

i have 16 in my main build

tbh my only big concern is making my own chassis

[fossil cedar]

Yeah don't run 3 stick of ram

[jagged hill]

yeah that'd be odd

so regarding case, i was deciding between getting one and disguising the build as an object in my pops' room

i'm not sure if he's the right person to be cheeky towards though

[potent portal]

Sweats while looking at home server

[clever eagle]

my laptop:

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-paranoid-gif-4974019

[earnest olive]

you have a laptop with more than 2 sodimm slots?

[jagged ember]

Thats insane

[little osprey]

^

[desert gulch]

M.2 to sodimm adapter 😳

[earnest olive]

ball grid array to sodimm adapter

[desert gulch]

Yes

[earnest olive]

who needs a cpu anyways

[desert gulch]

CPU socket splitter

So you can run ram and CPU off CPU socket

[potent portal]

The future of computing right there

[desert gulch]

Yup

[potent portal]

Directly attached memory

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[potent portal]

DIMM slots right on the cpu

[desert gulch]

Someday CPUs will have an l3 cache of like 16 gigs lol

So you won't even need ram

Just use cache as da ram

You'd have basically 0 latency since it's be right there

Now I just gotta patent my idea so nobody steals it

[potent portal]

Lol good luck with that, it needs to be more than an idea for them to enforce the patent

At least a rudimentary diagram of how everything connects

[desert gulch]

Nah man we Gucci

[clever eagle]

4

[desert gulch]

I should make a company called 13900k so Intel can't name their next CPU that

Lol

[clever eagle]

yes

[potent portal]

They'll buy a patent from you if you do something like that, as long as you're not too greedy. Get too greedy and they'll decide it's cheaper to rename.

[earnest olive]

they could just make a new line... successor to Core... maybe they could call it... Core 2

[little osprey]

Hmm yes

[clever eagle]

intel core duo

[little osprey]

Core 2 octa

[potent portal]

Core 2 quadcopter

[little osprey]

Core 2 your mom

[desert gulch]

Done

RGB ram on cpu

[little osprey]

Uhh

[desert gulch]

Give me patent now

[little osprey]

Could I get some measurements with that diagram please

[desert gulch]

It's ddr7

[little osprey]

And some dotted lines to know what's behind what

[desert gulch]

Classified

I'm under nda rn cause this is ddr7

[little osprey]

Oh alright hmm

[potent portal]

Hmm sure but where are the interconnect points? And what cooling solution do you propose?

[little osprey]

Comet water

[earnest olive]

and then maybe they could replace the i3/i5/i7 branding with E for Economy and Q for Quality... so we could get a new Core 2 Q6600 or E8400

[desert gulch]

RGB increases cooling so it'll work witt just ram as the heatsink

[earnest olive]

really groundbreaking stuff I know

[desert gulch]

Yup

[clever eagle]

lmao

[little osprey]

About about we come up with a new transistor gate design

Let's do it guys

Let's make ourselves billionaires

[clever eagle]

mini fins

[little osprey]

Screw fins, let's make it original

Like..

Uhh

Fin... FET

Oh wait

[clever eagle]

spikes lmao

[little osprey]

Ah yes

[earnest olive]

bowser cpu cooler

[potent portal]

We could make it interconnected, like some sort of brain-type or mesh connection, what would we call that? Neural? Fabric?

[earnest olive]

he starts breathing fire if CPU temp exceeds 90c

[clever eagle]

lol
if i put in on my laptop my house will burn down

[wispy matrix]

oops wrong chat

[little osprey]

How about one of those delta 1U fans strapped onto a copper heatsink that looks like a soda can

And the housing for the heatsink can be an actual soda can

Easy

[potent portal]

The vacuum cleaner sounding ones?

[earnest olive]

don't worry it's just orange and red LEDs in a diffuser not real fire

[little osprey]

The plane sounding ones

[potent portal]

Ooh so the 12k

[earnest olive]

if you want real fire just grab an 11900K and run prime95 avx512

[little osprey]

How about helicopter blades that attach to a laptop, so it hovers off the table so the fans can get proper airflpw

I'm a legit engineer rn

Where's my money?

[clever eagle]

[potent portal]

They put it in the housing for the helicopter motor, you have to grab it while it's running though

[little osprey]

Hmm

[clever eagle]

no we need to attach a plane turbine

[little osprey]

good idea

that would be more effective

[clever eagle]

its also really thick and it will also be a heatsink

[little osprey]

to power the motor for it, we could use an NRHA dragster engine

that'll get it spinning

[clever eagle]

yes

<@&872830304258248705> happy birthday
as it might be your last

hopefully it doesnt do this

[clever eagle]

^

[little osprey]

wow that lawnmower outside sure is loud

[clever eagle]

lol

[little osprey]

there's a cricket in my classroom that wont shut the freak up

not what i want to hear at 9:30pm in an otherwise quiet building

🔫

[clever eagle]

lmao

[little osprey]

nice itt stopped

[clever eagle]

yay

[little osprey]

seems legit

[clever eagle]

JUMP

[little osprey]

i just saw a huge spider in my classroom scurry away into the hardware shelf as soon as i looked at it 💀

Wow guys this PC has ddr15!

Is building a pc hard?

It looks hard

it isnt hard, you just need to have a little bit of prior knowledge, like what your parts are, and just how to put them together. that's pretty much it. honestly, the hardest part of the process of putting together a custom build is figuring out which parts to get, and there's plenty of people to help with that so it isnt even that bad.

ive been tinkering with hardware since i was around 13 years old and nothings ever gone bad

Ok thx for the advice

what kind of PC do you want to put together?

R9/3080

[stoic island]

just read the manual and you'll be good 95% of the time

[little osprey]

Ok

[little osprey]

But I’m gonna do it next year

Oh should I get an ifixit kit or do I need just a normal screwdriver

you can usually just get away with using a couple different sized philips heads that you probably have sitting around the house

ifixits are pretty much only needed for stuff like board-level repair and laptop work

Oh ok thx I thought i needed a whole pc screwdriver set

nah

[jagged ember]

pc building is basically adult legos

with a philips head screwdriver

well, two

[little osprey]

Yea I've heard that analogy used lots of times lol

[jagged ember]

one big and one small

some cable management

making sure you don't crush your cpu putting it in the socket

stuff like that

it's not difficult once you're familiar with how the basics go

except when it comes to amd's stock coolers

[stoic island]

unnecessary

all you gotta do is follow the manual

[jagged ember]

eh, fair point

[stoic island]

issues come from when you don't follow the manual

if you oversimplify it

[jagged ember]

cable management i like cause it look good

[stoic island]

you forget things

[jagged ember]

but yes, follow manual

good point of reference for where things are and what goes in them

[stoic island]

many a times of people doing stuff plugging front io into a usb header comes from just simplifying things too much

you still gotta check manual for things

even though it's easy

[jagged ember]

front io is

annoying

its easy but it's not simple

[stoic island]

manual also usually has stuff that you need to do in order

so you won't forget to do stuff like eps12v

[jagged ember]

true

well, his time is coming

it is not soon

[little osprey]

the cricket is being annoying again

i wana fight it

anyway...

I tested the board, thankfully it works

The PSU to the left is bad though unfortunately

[jagged ember]

go find the cricket and ask it to be quiet

[little osprey]

it wont listen

[clever eagle]

this

[little osprey]

what about it lol

its not the same PSU if thats what you mean

[clever eagle]

the price and wattage

[little osprey]

oh LOL

oh yea, one of the SSDs i tested has windows 8 on it

[stoic island]

time for windows 9

for 0.5$ off ebay

[clever eagle]

lol

i bet i can find it

[little osprey]

search wish

and aliexpress lol

[night wedge]

Hello all. i have a question. having a hard time making the decision due to the crazy prices this past year on GPUs etc. so i have a more than capable pc for gaming. can run anything at descent frames. id say if 10 is the best gaming pc made and 1 is you trying to game on the original mac , mine is about a 7.2 for context. i currently have a 2070 super and looking to upgrade. i have money to buy whatever i want (as far as gpus go lol) but i also want to stay disciplined in my finance which i always strive to. without paying dumb amounts , what would your advice be as the next GPU i should go after to buy where i will notice a definitive difference in FPS etc etc. like i said i ave a 2070 super and dont just want a 5 fps increase. any thoughts?

sorry for the long post ...

[obsidian wigeon]

A 3070 is your best bet

But it's up to your budget lel

It's hard to get gpus at msrp atm

[little osprey]

If Im being honest, if you dont actually need a new GPU, you should stick with your 2070 super. What resolution do you game at? And do you do any rendering and whatnot that would heavily utilize a GPU?

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[little osprey]

Ive been sticking with my 1070, and Im just gonna keep waiting till GPU prices go back to normal, even though I have a 4k monitor and could use an upgrade lol

[earnest olive]

just don't upgrade

wait until 4000

you'd have to go up to at least 3080 for it to be a meaningful upgrade

and those are going for $1300+

LHR

[clever eagle]

wasnt itt 699 msrp

[night wedge]

i hear u but i WANT one lolol.. but i game at 1080

[little osprey]

yea you really dont need a new gpu

try to limit the temptations a bit lol

[night wedge]

haha good advice. thanks Dad.

[earnest olive]

"msrp"

what's that?

[little osprey]

you're welcome lol

[earnest olive]

meanwhile me

upgrades from 3600x to 5600x to 5800x just so i can get something that doesn't lose silicon lottery

wants to upgrade 3080 because it lost silicon lottery

[little osprey]

I used my gpu upgrade money for a 3900x lol

Came from a 2600

[earnest olive]

3900x over 5800x?

why?

not a gamer?

[little osprey]

Nah I don't play too many games, and it's not like I'd get the benefit from it anyway. Plus I got the 3900x for a good price

Got it 2nd hand

[earnest olive]

i got my 5800x for a cool 300

[little osprey]

I had planned to use my system to run a couple servers, although I ended up getting a separate system instead

[clever eagle]

we got the microsoft case

[little osprey]

Suck PC bro.

Sick* lmao

[clever eagle]

this game is half a gig

[ionic osprey]

Deepcool gammaxx 400s is good for i5 10400f?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yep

But I suggest gettin se 224 xt instead

[little osprey]

thats a good cooler, i've used that a couple times for my chinese x99 builds

[obsidian wigeon]

ye it's dirt cheap n good for the price

[little osprey]

yea, i used it on e5 2678v3's and it handled them no problem

[clever eagle]

get 11400f?

[potent portal]

That's still less than the size of a data CD

[clever eagle]

its the TELETUBBIES game

[potent portal]

Yeah? And games from 1998 filled a whole CD easily

[clever eagle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xWYb1pdCX4

im suprised it takes up that much space

[little osprey]

teletubbies genuinely gave me nightmares when i was little.

[clever eagle]

lol

[ionic osprey]

Okay thx

[ionic osprey]

In my county so pricey

Price 11400f same R5 3600 in here

[clever eagle]

which country

@ionic osprey

[marble hedge]

replaced case on my build because this looks so much more clean

[tight sorrel]

looks good

[little osprey]

11400 disappeared completely somehow

[marble hedge]

Its the cpu to get so

Yeah just kinda poofed

[fossil cedar]

It being scalped in the us lol

Was a great value cpu

[little osprey]

Yeah

It's not even dropping anywhere

It completely disappeared

[fossil cedar]

I've heard you can get them in some irl shops but idk

[little osprey]

Actually 10600k is nice alternative too

[marble hedge]

It is

[little osprey]

Similar performance for similar price tho

You can use it with b560mobo or z490 for overclock it

[fossil cedar]

Ehh not really, kinda need z490/z590 to take advantage of properly, imo 10400 best alternative for that price

[fossil cedar]

B560 only lets you memory overclock not cpu

[little osprey]

Yeah but z490 does

10400 is slower than 11400

But 10600k is kinda similar

I saw nice deals for 10600k like 180-190bucks

[marble hedge]

The difference between 10400 and 11400 isn't enough to warrant dismissing the 10400

[barren flame]

Before my pc stopped working, I was trying to enable secure boot. Because of my idiocy I had to missclick something, and I accidentally enabled platform key bind. Only thing I pressed when binding it was enter. After that my pc had just restarted. When I tried to boot into windows or even bios, pc wasn't giving any output on my monitor. I tried to CLR CMOS, unplug the battery. None of methods worked.

Yea don't question my stupidity.

@little osprey

[marble hedge]

Let's see if i can't get another 19500

Not gonna try for the 20k again but

That one was fun

Got 19460

Alright let's see if we can't do 1 insane run

[fossil cedar]

Nah still behind and you want better cooler and z490 more expensive and 10600k going for like 230

Just pay the extra 20 for a 5600x at that point

And have cheaper board

[marble hedge]

@olive cypress ?

[olive cypress]

What?

[marble hedge]

what was the wuuut about xD

[olive cypress]

The rear intake fan

Never saw a rear intake fan in a build 😅

[marble hedge]

Well ot has 2 exhausts. And you should pay attention! I've seen Linus even do it XD

Works amazing

Its how I got a 20k in 3D Mark Timespy with 1200rpm fans xD

[olive cypress]

Ooo noice

[marble hedge]

Silent as can be gaming

So the idea is heat rises

And you bring in air from the front, and the rear across the VRM area

I run a 5.3 oc for my 10900k thanks to that

I'm a personal believer of if there is a fan slot, it should be populated with a fan shrug lower temps means better performance

[worn wave]

Depends on the case and location

[marble hedge]

True. But otherwise I'd have a billion fans laying around as well.

I've thought about making a bracket and setting up a wall of rgb fans for fun 😅

[worn wave]

I have stacks of Fractal Design fans

[marble hedge]

I actually finally burned through all but 5 of my fans

Been building for a bunch of people who couldn't afford it especially in this gpu climate

If I'm not building I'm modifying for someone. I get to drive a lot of different cpus and gpus that way

I had to take 2 sticks out of my computer for my wife though her ram didn't clear the aio

I guess I'll get by off 64gb ram

Ocs higher now at least

[tight sorrel]

gonna try this on my build.

[marble hedge]

Do you have aio up top top?

[tight sorrel]

no. Running stock AMD cooler

[marble hedge]

Ahh

It works best with aio/ fans at the top

Thay are used for exhaust

[tight sorrel]

but I think I got too many fans. Running Lancool ii mesh, have put fans everywhere (front, top, back, bottom)

[marble hedge]

Lemme see

[tight sorrel]

with all that, things are not as cool as id like

[marble hedge]

Ahh darn i forgot I flipped my back last week during testing no wonder temps seemed off today

All well fix it when I get up

[tight sorrel]

not shown, 2 exhaust fans in ceiling

[marble hedge]

Oof so first

Bottom fans bad

[tight sorrel]

the ones I got set up for exhaust are some old Lian Li DC fans. will take them out, and move the ones on the bottom to the top, and flip the back fan. see how that works

[marble hedge]

You ever stick your head out a window of a car before

[tight sorrel]

ofc, who hasnt? 😆

[marble hedge]

Can't breath very well right

Thatsbwhat you are doing to your gpu right there

[tight sorrel]

oh, for real?

I thought I was feeding it some fresh air

[fossil cedar]

I'd swap those too the top btw

[marble hedge]

If you want to get used out of them, flip em

With your set up exhaust bottom and top

[fossil cedar]

Not much, just sucking air from the psu shroud does not much

[marble hedge]

Its mesh underneath

[tight sorrel]

PSU shorud is vented on the lancool ii

see the light coming through?

[tight sorrel]

ooh, I like that idea more.

[marble hedge]

See that way you are exhausting the air from the cooler instead of pushing the air the cooler is trying to cool the gpu with out of it

[fossil cedar]

Still not much air

[marble hedge]

And you are providing the air channels to keep air flowing

[tight sorrel]

Sweet. will do so. Thanks for the help

[marble hedge]

Mhm

Theoretically

That should help

Even the stock cooler

[tight sorrel]

AIO is planned for the future.

[marble hedge]

Aio helps tons

I use the evga clcs myself they work amazingly

Best performance of all the aios I've used

[tight sorrel]

not available here, gonna go for the Gallahad 240. cos I like things to match

[marble hedge]

Gotcha

Just make sure to do even mounting pressure

[tight sorrel]

How would one go about doing that. asking for a friend

[marble hedge]

Tbh it takes some experimentation.

I've not used thay particular aio

But like the coolermaster one my wife has? For amd it uses the amd mounting hardware so makes it easier

Most of them have 4 post though

And its not always about just tightening it down as much as possible all the time

[stiff shale]

Hey guys. I got a GTX 1070 FE from my boss who was upgrading the parts in his son's pc. It works great but I would like to replace it with a RTX 3070 one day, so I put the 1070 up on FACEBOOK Marketplace for about $460.

I received two offers so far. One person wants to trade a RTX 2060 Super. Someone else is willing to trade a GTX 1050 ti and pay $160.

Are either of these good trades? Is the 2060s to good to be true? I am kind a curious why he would trade a 2060s for my card so I'll probably ask him about that. Please give me your thoughts on which trade is better.

Sry for long post

[fossil cedar]

Are you struggling with pc temps

[tight sorrel]

uses the AMD bracket

[marble hedge]

Id remain skeptical about the 2060 super

[fossil cedar]

The 2060 super is a win for you but seems a bit too good to be true the 1050 ti offer is awful for you

[marble hedge]

Then just tighten those ones down

[tight sorrel]

not as cool as I'd like.

[fossil cedar]

What temps you getting?

[tight sorrel]

plus, africa. so warm all the time

[fossil cedar]

A 30$ air cooler could fix them most likely

[marble hedge]

Define not as cool as you'd like

[tight sorrel]

idling close to 40. hitting low 70s when using GPU and CPU

[fossil cedar]

That's perfect

[marble hedge]

Thatsbcommon

With 8 core Ryzen that's perfect and an aio truthfully won't help unless ocing

[tight sorrel]

Listen here. i say its too warm, and its my PC.

[fossil cedar]

I get up to 70c on my 3600(with pbo) on a 25€ cooler and i live in Ireland

[stiff shale]

Gotcha @fossil cedar @marble hedge

[marble hedge]

Ryzen auto boosts like gpus though

So even if you put an aio on

[fossil cedar]

I mean if you want it to be cooler go ahead but there's really not much point

[marble hedge]

Itll just use the available headroom

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but 70c is still enough room to fully boost

[marble hedge]

I know

[fossil cedar]

Or pretty dam close

[marble hedge]

Thats why I'm saying

Even on water

Itll just boost to maybe slightly cooler

That cooler is actually one of my favorite cooler

[tight sorrel]

whay are you guys trying to kill my dream? dammit, I want to be like the cool kids and have an AIO

[fossil cedar]

Tbf a gammaxx 400 or something would be worth over stock cooler

[tight sorrel]

but an AIO does coe with more/better fans 🤣

[marble hedge]

I wasn't saying you couldn't I was just saying more ram is a better upgrade

[tight sorrel]

yo dont think 64GB is enough?

[marble hedge]

Because 64gb is actually quite nice but 128 I've had some wild times with

[fossil cedar]

64gb plentyyyyy

[tight sorrel]

but yes, the fact that I only have 2 sticks, and 2 slots open bothers me to no end.

[fluid valve]

Wtc yall doing with 64gb

[marble hedge]

Think how I feel

[fossil cedar]

That is 100% out of the ordinary my guy, i don't even use a full 16gb ram

[marble hedge]

I had to put 2 of my sticks in my wife's pc

I'm down to 64 QQ

[little osprey]

i dont even need 64gb rn for my MC servers lol

[fossil cedar]

Heck editing on an 8c 64gb still enough

[marble hedge]

Not if you are modifying a minecraft server on a mass scale

[tight sorrel]

Thats what they said about 640k at one time too. and see where we are now?

[marble hedge]

Then no such thing as too much

[little osprey]

Yea, right now I dont have many players, but since I am running a 1.17 server with around 30 plugins, plus an RLcraft server, that could quickly change lol

[fossil cedar]

Not many people host Minecraft servers for lots of ppl, modded on their pc while playing on it lol

[little osprey]

Yea, I have a 1U rack I use for my servers

i got it 2nd hand off ebay for a really good price

100 bucks for a poweredge r620

granted, the hardware it came with isnt amazing, but it's mainly the platform i wanted

[marble hedge]

Also I had other reasons for having 128gb ram

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-mind-blown-mind-blowing-science-gif-5246275

[little osprey]

and as a flex

[fossil cedar]

Ok.... And gamers don't

Simple as

[little osprey]

having an HEDT board with all 8 ram slots filled is a nice thing to look at.

a lot of gamers still use 8gb

[fossil cedar]

Usually cuz oem box pc lol

[little osprey]

yes😐

[marble hedge]

I didn't say he NEEDED IT

BUT

[tight sorrel]

if god didnt want you to fill ram slots, why did he give you 4 of them?

[marble hedge]

Daily driving it and having 98gb cached does make things pretty snappy

[fossil cedar]

Not even, they would not be able to take advantage of 128gb

[marble hedge]

😋

[fossil cedar]

64gb is already very very premium

[marble hedge]

I mean my tower cost me around 6k...

[little osprey]

not if it's 2nd hand ecc ddr3 you got off ebay, that crap is only about 100 bucks lol

[marble hedge]

Im not losing sleep over it

[jagged ember]

My 16gb of ram is real snappy as well

[tight sorrel]

ok since you guys are all up in arms about it, I actually did have only 16GB, corsair, and I put the fake RAM to fillt he slots. is that acceptable?

[little osprey]

yes

[jagged ember]

Usually also max at 13 or so

Dummy ram modules are fine lol

No problems

[marble hedge]

BLASPHEMY

[little osprey]

real chads use dead ram sticks instead of dummy modules B) (im joking)

[fossil cedar]

And you just said it was for science, no relevance to a gaming pc

[marble hedge]

Its also my gaming pc

And my daily driver

[jagged ember]

But not only for gaming

[marble hedge]

Its my fun machine

[tight sorrel]

I do 3d modelling, photo editing, and development

[jagged ember]

You have a 'science' use case

[marble hedge]

I find science fun

[jagged ember]

Whatever that means

[marble hedge]

Thus

[jagged ember]

I don't know

[marble hedge]

Fun machine

[fossil cedar]

Yes, imo it's a waste of money but you do you 16gb is still all gamers need, 32gb would be nice but ehh if you don't run modded Minecraft servers while gaming you're fine

[little osprey]

yea, having 64 gigs in your system definitley opens up a lot of opportunities for experimenting around

[jagged ember]

I just play games

And run libreoffice

And discord calls

Sometimes video editing

Sometimes streaming

[marble hedge]

128 was more fun it allowed some quicker responsiveness

[jagged ember]

I

[little osprey]

thats not really my point but ok...

[jagged ember]

That's not how capacity works

[marble hedge]

And I found how much I really can use in those programs

Around 92 to 98gb

[jagged ember]

He's really flexing

[little osprey]

man's got bank

[jagged ember]

Well ok lemme flex too

[tight sorrel]

harsh

[jagged ember]

You know what people do care about? My segues to our sponsor

Glasswire

[stoic island]

Team dark pro b die ram

[marble hedge]

Lmao!

[little osprey]

I had 8gb in my server when I ordered it off ebay lmao

the RAM slots looked like a barren wasteland

[jagged ember]

I flexed my segue muscle

[little osprey]

2 4 gig sticks in a 24 slot system

[marble hedge]

I'm not flexing though

[jagged ember]

Pff

[tight sorrel]

DONT YOU PUT THAT CURSE ON ME, RICKY BOBBY!

[marble hedge]

My flexing is different

[little osprey]

so you are flexing

bruhh

[marble hedge]

In saying 128gb ram CAN be used

Even by gamers

[tight sorrel]

I dont think 128GB of ram is flexing.

[marble hedge]

256 is

[jagged ember]

Seriously, 8gb is fine for gamers

You don't see people with older systems not running games

[tight sorrel]

I mean in the grand scheme of things. RAM is a reltively cheap component

[jagged ember]

Because they have 8gb

But 16 is now preferable cause workloads are heavier

[tight sorrel]

I am doing thaty and more. hair and ... cloud.. and weather simulation

[jagged ember]

I ain't doing that

[little osprey]

the r620 i have supports up to 768GB, and i only have 8GB lmao

[jagged ember]

Why would I need more than 16gb of ram?

[fossil cedar]

..... And that's nothing to do with victors situation tho lol

[tight sorrel]

dudes, he didnt say I need more ram

[marble hedge]

See

[jagged ember]

No I think he totally is

[marble hedge]

I didn't lol

I said fill the ram slots xD

[jagged ember]

For aesthetic purposes

[marble hedge]

I'm not

[jagged ember]

Sobyes

[tight sorrel]

no he wasnt

[fossil cedar]

They said you would get a performance improvement lol

[jagged ember]

You are saying you need to?

[marble hedge]

Victor knows I'm playing

[jagged ember]

But then you said this...

[tight sorrel]

nope...

[jagged ember]

Yeah I'm going back to my work

[marble hedge]

Omgn

The jealousy

[jagged ember]

Just saying

I don't care you have 128gb ram

I don't even max out my 16gb

[stoic island]

Forky bouta get like 2tb ram on a quad socket system

[jagged ember]

I'm happy with what I have

[marble hedge]

You guys are the ones caught up on me joking with Victor

[jagged ember]

Ok bye

[little osprey]

for some reason my college's PC hardware room only has ddr3 in 2GB dimms

💀

[marble hedge]

Ooof

[little osprey]

yea it's weird lol

yea there's a room full of nice 3d printers at my colelge

dang

what model

hm, maybe it was half decent

[marble hedge]

Just so things are clear though

https://tenor.com/view/mihoyo-genshin-genshinimpact-npc-male-gif-22540960

[little osprey]

its kinda not funny anymore

[marble hedge]

Not the amount of ram

You were the only ones hung up on it and it was a really easy troll

[little osprey]

I tested one of the x58 boards that was sitting around on a shelf, which had bent pins. i ended up fixing it and i tested it yesterday and it worked

Im pretty much the only one that touches any of the stuff

[marble hedge]

Can't help but indulge myself when people get stuck on something

[little osprey]

the hardware sits in a software engineering room, and software engineering dont tend to touch hardware for some reason it seems lmao

I took a picture of it

And I tested this z97 board with a 4770

And yes, that's an amd cooler on the x58 board

some old raidmax PX700AC 80+ bronze or something

The one sitting to the left was actually bad despite seeming like it rarely got used

[marble hedge]

One less hater

[little osprey]

It seemed like it kept shorting itself

oh yea, i also tested a GTX 480 that was sitting in a neglected box, a 770, and a 570

[tight sorrel]

What Gigabyte case is that? Looks premium!

[little osprey]

also yea, pretty much all the hardware there is relatively old. the newest thing they have there is a x99 board and 5930k

case

yea

especially sad that none of it even gets used LOL

the stuff has been sitting in exactly the same position since 2 years ago when i took a tour of the building

it's literally exactly the same, i took a photo of it back then and compared it to now

yikes

that reminds me

there's no ddr4 anywhere to be found to use with the x99 board so i cant test it lmao

[marble hedge]

Oof

Anyways back to AIOs

You said it was amd mounting victor

[little osprey]

actually i dont have any spare ddr4 in my own extra stuff piles either lol

😔

[marble hedge]

Its Lian Li

I can't complain

[fossil cedar]

lian li do make some pretty mediocre stuff too

I'd recommend arctic liquid freezer ii rgb, ek rgb and lian li rgb 360mm

[little osprey]

the evga 240 clc is also good, although idk how much it costs right now, but i got mine for 70 USD new

facts

i buy most of my stuff from ebay actually

PC stuff

[marble hedge]

Its Wednesday so B stock day

Seen it go as low as 45

[little osprey]

👀

last time a checked, which was last week, the e5 2678v3 was still about 78 dollars

killer deal

those old xeons are really under rated

[marble hedge]

The 240mm and the 280mm evga clcs are my faves

[little osprey]

yea i have a 240 clc in my personal system

[marble hedge]

I had one

[little osprey]

after i upgraded to my 3900x, i definitely needed it lol

[marble hedge]

In mine

I upgraded to 280mm

Went to a different case

Had the room and went for it

[little osprey]

I wanted to upgrade my case aswell

[marble hedge]

And have 1200rpm fans on there now. More geared towards sound

My wife apparently loves her new case xD

[frank stirrup]

Comparing rpm of fans is like clock speeds of cpus

Number sounds good

But all in all meaningless

[little osprey]

I really want this beast:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TTDW37B/

Either this or the Enthoo Pro 2

Or the Meshify 2 XL

[flint sapphire]

Aww not a fractal torrent

[tight sorrel]

correct. clips to the AMD plastic thingies

[little osprey]

actually that reminds me, i should take a look at the torrent

Does it have tons of hard drive bays?

i forget

[flint sapphire]

Been wait for someone to attempt it, don’t think it does

[marble hedge]

How much is it

[flint sapphire]

Much more of the whole minimal, crazy airflow look

[marble hedge]

I'll build in it

[flint sapphire]

Think it’s like $200

[little osprey]

dang 200

[flint sapphire]

Looks like it sold out plus it had a rma issue right off the bat

[marble hedge]

Oof...

[little osprey]

yea gn made videos about it if that's what you're referring to

[tight sorrel]

pics of your wifes case?

[tight sorrel]

yeah. but they owned it. took back cases and released an atual fix

[flint sapphire]

Oh yeah I just mean buying one in the wild atm is probably a bit difficult considering how well reviewed it was + the whole recall issue

[tight sorrel]

oh right, thought that was yours

[marble hedge]

Nope

This was mine

[tight sorrel]

right. ofc. sorry

[marble hedge]

P500a

Best case

[tight sorrel]

ima deduct points for the cable mess, and for flexing with your ultrawide 😉 🤣

[frank stirrup]

That desk and chair 🤮

[marble hedge]

The chair is an executive Lazyboy

Its for comfort not looks

2, the desk is a work desk

[frank stirrup]

In ur case its a closet replacement

All ur clothes seem to be on it instead of in the closet

[marble hedge]

Haha

Very mature

[frank stirrup]

I cant see the desk under the mess but ok

[marble hedge]

Thats not my current layout

Its the only pick I had of the case

[frank stirrup]

Indeed I actually put my clothes in the closet on my own like a mature adult without needing help from my mommy

[marble hedge]

I don't wear a winter coat I wear layered coats

[frank stirrup]

[marble hedge]

Sorry for my dungeons and dragons paperwork, dice, books being there, sorry I got mail just hadn't opened it yet and sorry I don't dress to your uniformity?

[jagged ember]

well, i mean

picking up your clothes and putting them in a closet isn't really difficult

[marble hedge]

Its the shirt I was wearing that day and 2 coats. It was a snow day and I was shoveling off and on?

[jagged ember]

i still find it quite surprising how a little bit of organizing goes a long way to make your space look clean lol

[marble hedge]

That wasn't what that pic was about

[jagged ember]

i'm just making statements

[marble hedge]

It was snapped for a friend

First yall turn a convo about aios into chastising ram and me joking with Victor, then you guys just findbthujgs to bully about a pic?

[jagged ember]

look, just calm down

it's a joke man

[marble hedge]

Like... anyone actually nice around here?

[jagged ember]

the second statement i made was a general observation

[marble hedge]

Yeah sure

[jagged ember]

hey, you're implying something from an observational statement

i'm not targeting that at you

i just stashed some of my audio cables and my desk is lookin clean

i just find it suprising how something that small makes a big visual difference

[ionic osprey]

Indonesia, u can search it on Tokopedia online shop

[flint sapphire]

👀

i hide all my cables for a good reason in any pics cuz moving soon and lazy

[ionic osprey]

Kingston fury beast or g.skill ripjaws v?

[desert gulch]

Ripjaws 5, but I'd reccomend ballistix over those

[marble hedge]

^

[ionic osprey]

In my country ballistix gone

[desert gulch]

Oh

[ionic osprey]

No one sell it

[desert gulch]

What speed and latency is the ripjaws?

[ionic osprey]

I see in web cl 16

[flint sapphire]

Wanna see the spaghetti tangle I got going

[ionic osprey]

Same like fury beast

[desert gulch]

3600mhz?

[ionic osprey]

3200mhz

[desert gulch]

Alright

[little osprey]

Mom's spaghetti

[ionic osprey]

So it recommend?

[desert gulch]

I mean it sounds like the best option

[jagged ember]

3200 cl16 nice

[ionic osprey]

I just for 10400f and b560m hdv

[flint sapphire]

[jagged ember]

SPAGET

[ionic osprey]

Okay thx sir

[jagged ember]

you could use some cable ties from lttstore.com

[little osprey]

No

Overpriced

[jagged ember]

i know

just for the segues

[little osprey]

Just use some hair you can find in the carpet

[jagged ember]

ok bot

[ionic osprey]

Wait, how about Klevv bolt x series?

[jagged ember]

no idea about that

[ionic osprey]

I see in website, that ram cl 16 and chip use from sk hynix

3200mhz btw

[jagged ember]

i defer to techies

but it sounds good

i can't say if it is good

[ionic osprey]

Okay, let me see all reviews

[little osprey]

Whats the recommended power supply for 3080 cards

[obsidian wigeon]

MSI A850GF

Usually the cheapest 850w psu

But also decent

It's modular at that

[desert gulch]

Enermax revolution df 850 also great

When on sale

It's been around $100 sometimes

[fossil cedar]

Decent. it's it's a CWT GPU just like the rmx and revolution d.f.

[obsidian wigeon]

Also A850GF is cheaper than A750GF in thailand

It's so funny

[fossil cedar]

Pot

Pog*

[obsidian wigeon]

Both on sale

But the 850 was on harder sale

perhaps

benefits us

kek

[full atlas]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z7KXxc

[tame nexus]

I forgot to buy thermal paste what one is good

[stoic island]

coolers usually come with thermal paste

[tame nexus]

I’ll just see then

If I need it won’t take long to ship anyway

[desert gulch]

You bought a Galahad right?

[earnest olive]

just woke up to see my internet has been down for 5 hours

rip mining revenue

[little osprey]

What crypto do you mine

[desert gulch]

Eth Im pretty sure

[earnest olive]

eth

gone have to plug my phone into my PC to do homework now lol

my PC doesn't support wifi but my phone is able to share data over usb

we live in the future

PC recognizes phone as ethernet network

[desert gulch]

Pleb moment

[earnest olive]

apparently ryzen CPUs are losing 15% or more performance on windows 11

yikes

[wide sparrow]

oh crap

reverting

[earnest olive]

I am still on 10

going to stay far away from 11 until they have plenty of time to iron it out

[tame nexus]

Nah Arctic

[tame nexus]

Yeah I’m not planning to upgrade for a fat min

[analog hearth]

it's pretty stable on my 3600/5700 system

Alt+Tab feels a bit slow

that's really it for me

oh and Volume Mixer just takes you to the settings, which is annoying

[little osprey]

lol my 3900x reverts back to a 1500

[fossil cedar]

On intel too afaik

Wait no that's only unsupported cpus woops

[fossil cedar]

How so?

[earnest olive]

seems like L3 cache latency is being tripled and bandwidth is cut by 1/3

[fossil cedar]

Oof ;-;

Hopefully they fix that

[earnest olive]

it's already fixed in the dev build

I'm staying away from win11 entirely until they have time to iron it out anyways

I'm still on 10

[fossil cedar]

Yeah same i don't really want to "beta test" with my main pc

[little osprey]

Hard drive explodes

Oh wait we're in 2021

SSD explodes

[pale leaf]

Should I have the aio cables going to the right when radiator on top?

[stoic island]

Doesn't matter...?

[cosmic wraith]

Happened to me one time

[little osprey]

yikes.

how lol

[queen dagger]

what would yall say is the best gpu in the current market $500 usd or below?

[vague oracle]

6600xt

[queen dagger]

neither exist tho

where should i try to find one tho

other than bb

cuz i cant do that

[potent portal]

Is that from the vbs setting being default on now or something else?

[lyric thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/pop-corn-eating-funny-eat-food-gif-17238418

[queen dagger]

6 hours away

[potent portal]

6 hours isn't so bad, most of them usually have some amd cards

[vague oracle]

Newegg has a bunch of bundles with the 6600xt for $500

[fossil cedar]

6600xt is pretty easy (considering everything) to get for under 500$

[fossil cedar]

#graphics-cards pins

[earnest olive]

no, that only gets auto enabled on prebuilts

this is just an actual win11 bug

[queen dagger]

what comes with it?

[fossil cedar]

depends on the bundle

it can be motherboards, power supplies etc

[queen dagger]

already have em lol

well

resale

[queen dagger]

oh yea

[queen dagger]

uh just the card is 800

[vague oracle]

Keep looking

There are a lot of bundles that go into stock quite often

[queen dagger]

idk

i see em yea

but lowest is 560

which is decent

i could resell the mobo

for humane prices

[vague oracle]

Yep

[queen dagger]

what would you say are the best 6600xt models?

aka what should i be look ing for

[potent portal]

Model doesn't matter as much in midrange

[queen dagger]

true

any i should avoid?

bad cooling?

[potent portal]

Single fan models

[queen dagger]

well yea

thats it?

[potent portal]

Pretty much

Like I said, not much to worry about in that range

[queen dagger]

yea

[mild citrus]

Quick question from a noob, if I want to install a second m.2 ssd into my pc, is there any process after placing it on my motherboard (software related)?

[potent portal]

Might need to initialize the drive and make a partition in disk management

[fossil cedar]

The ones that's the cheapest

[queen dagger]

just cut myself with a knife but yea'

maker since

https://www.newegg.com/asus-radeon-rx-6600-xt-rog-strix-rx6600xt-o8g-gaming/p/N82E16814126527?Description=6600xt&cm_re=6600xt-_-14-126-527-_-Product best looking one tho

[fossil cedar]

Oof hope you're alright

[queen dagger]

barley cut just hurt

[vague oracle]

I wouldn’t get an ASUS amd card

Just because of past history of Asus and cards being kinda bad quality

[fossil cedar]

Really?

Haven't heard about that

[vague oracle]

Fans literally would fall off of some 5700xts

[fossil cedar]

[queen dagger]

this is new

[real flicker]

so windows 11 requires tpm enabled should i do that?

[fossil cedar]

I wouldn't upgrade to win 11 yet

[proper night]

I'm working on a build for a friend. He has a $3,000 budget and doesn't care about the fact that he's paying way over MSRP for his GPU. He definitely wants wifi so it either needs a board with that feature or an adapter needs to be factored in.

I wanted to know what your suggestions for MOBO, case, and case fans might be as well as any other comments or suggestions to maximize performance within the budget. This is a PC he wants to build relatively soon so everything needs to be readily available.

Below is the PCpartpicker link:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fj4sqp

[elfin flame]

For cases with good airflow and design:
Phanteks P360a, P400a, or P500a
Lian Li Lancool 2 Mesh
Fractal Design Meshify C or Meshify 2 (not the $200 XL version)
Corsair 4000D or 5000D Airflow

[proper night]

He prefers a subdued look. No RGB. No flashy or garish case design.

[proper night]

Thanks for the input.

[hidden oracle]

Well hum

I just bought a pc

A ABS one

https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali564/p/N82E16883360194?Item=N82E16883360194

This one

And I received it today

But it's not working

Like it won't turn on

[earnest olive]

did you make sure the power supply is switched on

@hidden oracle

[hidden oracle]

Yeah it's switched on

[earnest olive]

take a pic so i can see the cables?

inside the pc

[hidden oracle]

Yeah

Is it okay

[earnest olive]

ehh they look like they're in

try pushing on them a bit

[hidden oracle]

Pushing on what

On every cable?

Nothing changed

[earnest olive]

might be a defect

i'd return it

you bought a prebuilt, you shouldn't be expected to troubleshoot it yourself

[hidden oracle]

Mh

I think I'Il go see a computer shop tomorrow

Maybe they'Il be able to repair it

[earnest olive]

why

just return it don't spend money to get it repaired lol

order another one

[prime birch]

Nothing happens at all? @hidden oracle

No sign of power at all?

[hidden oracle]

Uh

[versed oar]

is ASUS ROG Strix B450-F Gaming II a good motherboard?