building-and-recc-chat

[rich egret]

also in future, might need upgraed, it will be eaiser

[desert gulch]

Whole new socket is next gen

[rich egret]

yeah im getting 3600

[little osprey]

no

[desert gulch]

So no point in z590

[little osprey]

please do not get 3600

[rich egret]

@little osprey really? Triznet or soemthing

[little osprey]

Nevermind i thought you meant ryzen 5 3600

[desert gulch]

Ballistix 3600 cl16 is nice when on sale

[little osprey]

didnt see context

ballistix 3600 is amazing

[rich egret]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232906?Item=N82E16820232906

[formal girder]

Yeah i have 4 32gb sticks of ballitix 3600 cl16

[long rock]

So X Amp I turned to 1, uh, Idk what else to do

[rich egret]

@formal girder hows the performance?

[desert gulch]

@celest horizon any good ram deals for a 10850k rn?

[rich egret]

@little osprey yeah but dunno, this ones cheaper lol

[desert gulch]

Go to memory tab

[long rock]

Okey

Memory

[desert gulch]

What's there?

[long rock]

Numbers and panels and all kinds of things

[celest horizon]

What budget and size needed?

[desert gulch]

Prolly around 230 at most and 32gb preferably

Workstation/gaming type of rig

[desert gulch]

Yeah I hate MSI bios

[celest horizon]

3200c14 2x16 kit or similar

the ripjawsv is $200

[desert gulch]

Alright is that stuff Bdie?

[long rock]

Do u wanna DM maybe? Help might be better lol

[celest horizon]

Almost all 3200c14 is b-die

[desert gulch]

Idk MSI bios lol

Thanks forks

[long rock]

Okey

So I need to find someone that is good with MSI Bios

[celest horizon]

You don't, settings will be similar to other bios

[desert gulch]

Yeah I'm only good with ASRock and Asus bios lol

[long rock]

So, do I need to do anything else currently? Will I be able to go back and change stuff if need be?

[celest horizon]

Don't buy 3200c14 for a 10850k if you plan to run it xmp

[long rock]

Should I turn game boost or A XMP on?

[jagged ember]

hi

turn on xmp

gameboost reduced performance for me so

leave it off

generally not something people use anyways iirc

you could go to the fans section to set up your fan curves

but otherwise, nothing much else there for you

unless you wanted pbo

[quaint swan]

hopefully my pc doesn't blow up when I turn it on

nothings wrong with pluggin in the pcie cables to the psu and leaving them out right?

bc i dont have gpu

[jagged ember]

No

But just don't let the met bits touch other metal bits ig

I'd just remove it tho

For aesthetic and safety purposes

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[tawny violet]

That sounds pretty poggers to me tbh

[small tinsel]

So I realized the motherboard I got doesn't have a socket for the USBC front panel cable. Is there some kind of converter I can get?

[frank stirrup]

you dont HAVE to use all the front panel headers

[small tinsel]

I know. But if there is a simple adapter, would be nice to hook up

[fossil cedar]

If you're idle dw it's just 0 fan mode

[quaint swan]

It blew up

[frank stirrup]

pgm psu?

[quaint swan]

Jkjk

[frank stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/kummeli-thumbs-up-nice-well-done-approve-gif-12348671

[quaint swan]

It turned on

Then turned off and then on again. There was a boot issue

Gonna do bios today

[frank stirrup]

igpu?

[quaint swan]

Integrated graphics

[frank stirrup]

That is igpu

[quaint swan]

Ok

[cosmic wraith]

APU

[analog hearth]

wait why don’t we call them ACPUs?

like, “Accelerated Central Processing Unit”

because it’s basically that

[fossil cedar]

Cuz only amd calls apus anyway

Intel just calls cpu

[analog hearth]

it’s an accelerated CPU lol

ah

AMD why you do that

[lyric thistle]

apu

hyper threading

intel turbo boost

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[analog hearth]

things manufacturers label i guess

[analog hearth]

honors CPU?

ah

idk about your school, but my high school labeled advanced courses as “K” not “A”

it’s different per school system lol

never heard of accelerated

ah

[worn wave]

I just have Accelerated and AP at my school

[cerulean root]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ScroppyIsDead/saved/#view=96MjHx

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ScroppyIsDead/saved/#view=bvWHGX

Which gpu would be easier to get?

Do each restock often?

[worn wave]

No

The only options are Newegg Shuffle and when Best Buy drops founder's edition cards

[fossil cedar]

@cerulean root read pins in #graphics-cards there's a how to buy guide there

[hearty pumice]

Is this even worth it, newegg shuffle btw

[shell ivy]

who here knows 6U server housings and PC setups?

Looking at AMD Ryzen 9 and Gigabyte MB ... would like a 6U rack case ... looking for feedback on form factor and pitfalls

[fossil cedar]

imo no

[hearty pumice]

Ok, wasn't gonna buy it anyway lol, don't need a 3090 or a z-590 motherboard, was thinking about it maybe for my moms workstation.

[drowsy ice]

Hi everyone! This is my very first chat and very first build. I am not young, I just never took the plunge to build a computer before. As my first build, I am fairly certain I have mad a mistake and ordered the wrong case. I ordered a "Montech X1 Black ATX Mid-Tower Case" to be coupled with a "MSI B550-Pro".

[hearty pumice]

ok, what size is the board

If it is atx you should be fine, smaller always works

[drowsy ice]

Does anyone know if these are actually compatible? I give me a second on the size please.

[hearty pumice]

sure np

[river valley]

X1 should fit a full atx board

[hearty pumice]

Yeah, I looked it up, the motherboard is atx, so no problem with case compatibility.

[river valley]

You might have to move the standoffs around to fit your mobo screw holes

[drowsy ice]

Thanks every one! I don't mind moving the stand offs (sounds like a simple-ish task).

[shell ivy]

Hey Everyone!!

I forgot to say hello today!!! But i did pose a build question . . .

[river valley]

yeah its simple, some might be tricky if you don't have a screw bit to remove them, but other than that, its just lining it up.

[drowsy ice]

I will go ahead and open the box to the case and start looking at fitting them together. No problem in the tool department. I am not young and I have plenty of tools of all types. The error was all mine.

Again, thanks everyone. I will let you know how it goes...

[river valley]

best of luck!

[vague oracle]

@shell ivy Have some patience. I’m sure someone here knows about racks but most people don’t so it’ll take a bit for someone to answer your question

[worn wave]

Why would you want a 6U chassis?

Why not just get a 4U? That's what the biggest standard is

[fossil cedar]

You can buy them straight up off newegg for cheeper afaik

[little osprey]

I like 1U rackmounts

nice and compact, and modern ones still offer a lot of options

besides 4 CPUs

whats that

ive actually never heard of this gamer gauntlet thing

is that a competition or something to see who gets a card?

oh that "vag" program lmao

what games did they play

[fossil cedar]

Cards are cards what ones did they drop btw?

says the one with an ftw3

XD

Here come the dms xD

Lmao

[peak ginkgo]

My little one stopped by

lol

[weak anvil]

Which one

[jagged ember]

Definitely not coolermaster

Leaky

May I suggest artic freezer ii 240

[little osprey]

if you find one for a better price than the freezer, the evga clc 240 is also a good option. that's actually what i ended up getting after it was being sold for 70 bucks on newegg new

[sweet dirge]

yoo
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bJCcJf

need help

anything better than my current memory? ant suggestions?

[potent portal]

3600 c16 is kinda the sweet spot for AMD already. If you want better, you'll have to go for B-die memory and be ready to spend some money on that, plus you'll need to tune it manually. If you're ok with that you can do 3800 c14 pretty easily.

[little osprey]

the "b" in b-die memory stand for banana

just in case you didnt know

[peak ginkgo]

Lol

[potent portal]

If you want RGB consider this instead https://pcpartpicker.com/product/33WBD3/crucial-ballistix-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k16g36c16u4bl

[brittle tinsel]

So I was playing around and used windows to encrypt a folder for fun. doing so encrypted my desktop folder and now its acting weird when I install games and things. and windows wont allow me to decrypt the desktop folder

I have tried everything that microsoft and reddit says to do with no fix found

I was going to disable the efs but that says everything encrypted I will lose access to

[high vine]

My computer stops botting as soon as I install the 2nd stick of ram, but the first one is fine. I've tried different slots, and I've replaced the whole ram kit. The CPU debug light is on. Can someone confirm that this would be a cpu problem and not a mobo one?

[brittle tinsel]

it could if the pins are damaged I believe

the cpu communicates with everything, but im now sure if that would prevent booting, especially if it works with 1 stick and not the other, it could be bad ram. I would wait for someone who knows more to respond however

[high vine]

the cpu is working fine with everything else, im using the pc with the cpu in it right now, but its just the stick of ram. one works fine, the other doesnt

[frank stirrup]

????

[frank stirrup]

which slots are the ram sticks in

[brittle tinsel]

take it im wrong? thats what I have heard

[frank stirrup]

1 is the closest to the cpu

4 is the farthest away

[frank stirrup]

Multiple things can cause it

the one you stated is unlikely

[brittle tinsel]

ah

[frank stirrup]

@high vine

also what cpu

and what ram

and what mobo

[frank stirrup]

also intel cpus dont have pins

the mobos do

[brittle tinsel]

forgot about that, I have had amd for a bit now

[fast dirge]

(sorry if this isn't the right section) I am looking to buy the cheapest pre-build desktop I can to run Diablo 2: Resurrected on just above minimum settings. Ability to run Photoshop and Lightroom a bonus. I have no idea how components relate to each other, they're all just arbitrary numbers and letters to me - any advice appreciated, thank you 😊

[obsidian wigeon]

What's your exact budget?

If you don't know, well then we can't help much

[potent portal]

Something used with a dedicated GPU would be fine if you're looking ultra cheap. Maybe $600 for something with 7th gen intel and a GTX 950.

Diablo doesn't get along with intel integrated graphics

[high vine]

2,4. Its a 5800x, Gskill tridentZ 16Gb cl16 3600, Msi MAG b500

[potent portal]

Check the slots and sticks for any physical damage. Is it just one of the sticks having issues or is it a specific slot?

[fast dirge]

When searching on Newegg by component (the part with the tick boxes) are they in any kind of order relevant to performance?

[potent portal]

There's no "performance" filter or sort option, since that's not really something that can be measured

[fast dirge]

$400 give or take (preferably take), l don't even know if that's realistic

[obsidian wigeon]

well

for that range nothing is possible sadly

[potent portal]

That might work for something older, like Windows 7 era. What region are you in? You're probably best off looking at local used listings

[fast dirge]

That's what I suspected, which is why I'm struggling so much. I don't know how a 1660ti relates to a 3060 - they're just numbers to me

[obsidian wigeon]

unless you go used and select parts yourself

[potent portal]

If you check sites like facebook marketplace and craigslist, put the links up here and we can tell if it's a good deal or a scam

[fast dirge]

Something like this wouldn't run it on minimum spec? https://www.newegg.com/dell-t1700-precision/p/3D5-0002-00B19?item=9SIAZ8YF972478

I might only be concerned about the RAM since I only want to play legacy graphics, which should run on a potato - but I still need to be able to load the new graphics and I heard that is the RAM requirement. I don't know if the video card would affect load times like that at all

Minimum is Intel Core i3-3250/AMD FX-4350        
Nvidia GTX 660/AMD Radeon HD 7850

8gb ram

[potent portal]

That might work actually

[obsidian wigeon]

that would work

[fast dirge]

Rec is: Intel Core i5-9600k/AMD Ryzen 5 2600        
Nvidia GTX 1060/AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT       16gb ram

[potent portal]

The processor isn't anywhere close to the "recommended" spec but it'll run on low for sure

[obsidian wigeon]

but upgrading it would be basically null

[fast dirge]

How so?

[obsidian wigeon]

cause yeah proprietary power supply

[fast dirge]

Oh

[obsidian wigeon]

can't get better gpu

so if you do get it, be prepared to throw it away except the gpu once you wanna upgrade

just a lil word to add

[fast dirge]

What you said is already a deal breaker

Appreciate the information 😊

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah it's the problem with oem stuff

[potent portal]

Proprietary stuff like Dell makes isn't very upgradeable

[fast dirge]

Upgrading isn't a huge concern. I've not had a computer for a decade and I only want one now to play Diablo - but who knows in the future once I have it

[obsidian wigeon]

I just never get why they couldn't use standard stuff

Like even mini itx exists

And sfx psus are a thing

It just creates e-waste

[potent portal]

Looking a little more into it the 660 actually tends to be better than the 1030 so even more reason to not get that one

[obsidian wigeon]

Governments should step in, in terms of environmental impact and such

Not gonna go politics lel

[obsidian wigeon]

And force em to actually make decent stuff

I kinda wish it would be illegal to make something that throttles from bad cooling setup

[potent portal]

That's why the EU is pushing for modular stuff

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah the eu is on the right track

But it's slow ngl

[potent portal]

Of course it's slow, that's how it always is

[fast dirge]

Cant seem to find anything with a 660 in it

[potent portal]

Something with a 950 would probably be ideal I feel like

Better than the 660

[obsidian wigeon]

both are nvidia gtx cards

just to add

[fast dirge]

Was about to ask about the 950, ta 😊

So that card alone is like $450 right?

[obsidian wigeon]

yikes

well they should generally go for less than 150 or so on ebay

[potent portal]

Depending on where you look, it shouldn't be that high

[obsidian wigeon]

you could go used with older dell optiplex tho

the mid tower ones

like 2nd to 3rd gen intel

they use atx things

mobo is standard off the shelf form factor

same goes for psu

[potent portal]

3rd gen i3 is the minimum, I wouldn't go lower than 5th gen because updates make it harder to run

[obsidian wigeon]

True

[fast dirge]

Thank you for the advice - I'm taking it in but too over my head to respond adequately

i56600k + pny gtx 1050ti desktop for $425 on Facebook?

[little osprey]

Is that the ddr4 variant?

I used to use a GT 1030 before I got a 1050ti, and it served me pretty well. I played a ton of fallout 4 on it lol

[obsidian wigeon]

no

it's gddr5

[little osprey]

Yikes

[obsidian wigeon]

660 is like better than 750ti

so you get what i mean

[potent portal]

The remaster version of Diablo 2 has higher requirements than the original

[obsidian wigeon]

and 750ti is better than 1030

sad kepler lost driver support recently

but then again kepler was what

2012?

by this point it's 9 years old

it had a good run

[small tinsel]

Do you guys think pulling air through the radiator or exhausting it through is better?

[potent portal]

It doesn't make more than a couple degrees difference either way

Technically intake is better but not by much

[long rock]

Budget PCs sound like a difficult task now that I’ve been working on gradually making mine better over the years

Gotta start somewhere I guess

Mad respect to anyone trying to build a PC in this market for the first time

[potent portal]

Yeah I started on an ibuypower prebuilt with a phenom II processor years ago. Upgrading a little at a time is easiest.

[long rock]

I started on an IBuyPower aswell

I’m still in that case actually

About to upgrade in a few weeks

[potent portal]

I still have mine too, just not in use currently. I always end up using my spare parts for something down the line.

[long rock]

yes I understand I just spent a small fortune on a new platform upgrade but my case is an oven and I need something that will move some air

[potent portal]

I traded a friend to get that PC too, I gave him my PS3 for it

[long rock]

Gosh, let’s see here, I knew what I wanted, but couldn’t afford it at the time, so bought something cheaper, got burned, and lived with it, and worked from there

[potent portal]

Sounds about right going prebuilt

[long rock]

Yup

Prolly not gonna do that again

Mom: why don’t you just buy a whole new computer?

That’s not how this works but okay

[high vine]

one of the sticks, but ive tried 2 different sets of ram.

[potent portal]

So if you just use that one stick it has problems too? Or just when both are installed?
Are you clearing CMOS at all when you're testing?

It's possible but unlikely that both sets have a dead stick

[potent portal]

Gah that sounds like my wife
"I'm sick of hearing you complain about that headset, just buy a new computer" lol

[long rock]

See, If I’m wanting a PC, I want it built to my exact spec, and I want to pick out every part that goes into it, prebuilt is fine if you are starting out, but once you start spending some money on your project like I have, you don’t just ditch the thing for a new computer you could have gotten in the first place lol

Like, I’m a car guy, you see it in my profile, that is my Vette, I’ve had it for about a year now, and I’ve had to put some money into it, imagine my mom coming out every time I’m working on it, and just being like, why don’t you just buy a car that doesn’t have these problems? That would be hella annoying

See what I’m saying? Lol

Kinda off on a tangent but whatever

[potent portal]

Nah there's lots of comparisons to make between cars and computers, I get it

[long rock]

Anyway are u trying to help someone into the PC scene?

[potent portal]

Me? Not really at the moment

[long rock]

Oh, that dude looking to play Diablo lmao

[potent portal]

Oh lol, yeah that's what it looked like to me too

[long rock]

Oh lol, I read through chat now so I’m caught up

Prebuilt, gosh

And the budget

That’s a rock and a hard place if I ever came across one

[potent portal]

It'll be tricky for sure, that's why I suggested local used markets

[long rock]

I was gonna suggest trying to find something withcDDR4 so the upgrade path isn’t as complicated

AMD tends to have a pretty good bang for the buck

[potent portal]

I don't think that's in the budget tho

[long rock]

Mmmm

[potent portal]

Anything Ryzen is going to be at least a $600 PC

[long rock]

Oh no, I’m taking like a FX card lol, I have my FX6300 I just replaced a few days ago

I actually probably have quite a bit of what this dude needs

[potent portal]

Oh well for DDR3 FX isn't too bad, but Intel probably better in most cases

Lets not forget the "8 core" processor they got hit with a class action lawsuit over

[long rock]

Intel is like Deere, your paying for the name imo

Oh?

[potent portal]

Yeah, FX is only kinda real cores. The way they work is closer to hyperthreading.

They had to shell out millions in the lawsuit over that for false advertising

[long rock]

See my FX6300 was apparently only a true 3 core unit, they advertised 6, not sure what’s up with that

[potent portal]

I got something like a $30 check in the mail, the time to register for the suit is long past.

[long rock]

So, I saw the min and recommended specs, you mentioned a 5th Gen intel at minimum

Sorry for going off track so fast lol

[potent portal]

Yeah, officially it says 3rd gen i3 but given it's a multiplayer game updates can and will slow it down

A 3rd gen i5 would be ok too

[long rock]

I’m wondering if he can compensate for age with finding an I-75 of that era

The i7s seem pretty strong

[potent portal]

They overclock like crazy, boosting wasn't as much of a thing then

Especially 2nd gen intel, can go like +30% on air cooling

[long rock]

Christ

5th gen is of what vintage? 2012?

[potent portal]

2015

[long rock]

Figured

So not too too old, but nothing that new either

[potent portal]

Yeah old enough to be cheap but not so old Chrome hangs

[long rock]

I’m wondering if an I-7 K series would be affordable

I can’t type out I-75

I7

God

That way, he has a bit of beef in the thing, it’s affordable, and he can over lock

Overclock

[potent portal]

5930k is apparently going for $40 on ebay

[long rock]

That is pretty mint

[potent portal]

Sorry that was 3930k, 5930k is closer to $80

[long rock]

Hmm

What happened

It deleted

[fast dirge]

Yeah, I dunno

[long rock]

deletus completus

[fast dirge]

I'll try again

[potent portal]

Links won't work until lvl 3

Anti-spam measures

[fast dirge]

Fair

[potent portal]

I see the link though in the logs

[fast dirge]

Thank you 😊

[long rock]

I got to it before it deleted

600 bucks

[fast dirge]

Yes

[potent portal]

Ryzen 2600, 1050 ti, not horrible

[long rock]

It doesn’t look that bad tbh

[fast dirge]

For 600?

[potent portal]

Offer them $500

[long rock]

I’m not a super expert. So that still seems a bit overpriced to me

[potent portal]

It's a tad high at $600 but not horrible

[long rock]

I mean I got 100 bucks off my prebuilt and still paid too much lol

[potent portal]

It's on Ryzen platform so easy upgrade to 5000 later, GPU isn't that bad

[fast dirge]

Sourcing 2nd hand and building myself might be cheaper but I'm a lazy luddite. I built a few PCs before but that was 10+ years ago.

Good enough for Diablo? What about Photoshop?

[long rock]

If you want something completely tailored to you, like every bit, id consider building, but that could take a while if funds aren’t redily avaible

[fast dirge]

So long as it's better then my Dell xps15

[potent portal]

It'll work, might not be the fastest at processing images but it works

[long rock]

And the upgrade path will pay off

Your already saving a few hundred for a platform upgrade

[potent portal]

Yeah being able to upgrade to 5600X later will be nice

[fast dirge]

I would love to, and might in the future but right now things are spendy, I'm broke and I only want it for Diablo 2 haha 😂

What is 5600x? CPU?

[long rock]

I just got my 5600X and it’s been awesome the 2 days I’ve had it

Yeah

[potent portal]

Yeah that's the newest midrange model CPU

Performs nearly as good as the best processors around right now

[frank stirrup]

I would go 11400f

intel mid range is better for the price

[long rock]

wait till we tell her about how intel adds letters to CPUs, then they will be really confused

😂

[potent portal]

It's not a build, looking at used cheap PCs

[frank stirrup]

Intel cpu lettering is fine

everyone gangsta till monitor names walk in

[long rock]

LmO

[frank stirrup]

Ahhhh I see

[potent portal]

MAG32KGFPOGCHAMP

[long rock]

I don’t really follow intel, but K, and X are the 2 big ones. U is underpowered for certain low power needs, F idk, G is laptops iirc

H is something maybe

Yeah, intel letters

Woo

[potent portal]

F means no iGPU

[frank stirrup]

there is T

[long rock]

Yes

[frank stirrup]

for low powered

[long rock]

That’s right

U is for Ugga Dugga

😂

[fast dirge]

How is a 750ti?

[long rock]

Oh, btw, overclocking, if you want to do it with intel, you need a K series CPU, on AMD, all the CPUs are unlocked for overclocking already iirc

Not a bad GPU, I had a 710 and it wasn’t enough for what I was doing, there were days I hated the damn thing

[frank stirrup]

I mean

not really but kinda

there are ways to overclock non K cpus

[long rock]

It’s just more redily avaible on a K

Less complicated

[frank stirrup]

Thats a horrible comparison

gt750ti is like 4-5x better than a gt710

[long rock]

I’m sorry, it’s a 700 series, I’m still sorta new too lol

[potent portal]

710 doesn't meet the minimum for the game they want to play anyway

[frank stirrup]

https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-vs-GeForce-GT-710

[fast dirge]

Does the 750?

Looking at this for $220

[potent portal]

660 min, or 750 ti, 950, etc

[fast dirge]

AMD A8 5500 @ 3.2ghz quad core processor
MSI GTX 750ti 2gb GDDR5 graphics card
16gb Corsair Vengeance DDR3 ram 1600mhz
120gb SanDisk SSD drive
1000gb WD Black 7200RPM hard drive

[long rock]

The 900 series was hella solid all the way around I’ve heard

[fast dirge]

750ti is approx the same as 660?

[potent portal]

750 ti would work

[frank stirrup]

model>brand or series

[long rock]

I am being destroyed

[frank stirrup]

nvidia 3000 series has a few absolutely horrible gpus

[long rock]

Lmao

[frank stirrup]

like the 3050

a 1660 slaps a 3050 around

lol

[long rock]

Well yes, I think the lower models don’t usually hold value and stuff as well as the high end models, maybe that’s me

[potent portal]

That PC would work overall too. The A8 is a little older but still meets the requirements.

[frank stirrup]

generalising like that is stupid tbh

call a specific model good or bad

not an entire brand or series

like gigabyte too has a good psu

I myself use a gigabyte psu

model>brand or series

[long rock]

Car guy habits

Sorry lol

[potent portal]

I'm using the explosive model
(in a computer with no dGPU)

[long rock]

Okay If I’m remembering right, the 1650 was not well recived. There were better options for the money. Any better?

[fast dirge]

(sorry for just spitting specs at you with a ? Let me know if you want me to stop)

I5 2700 3.40hz
Gtx 750ti 4gb
16 gb of ram ?

[long rock]

Mmmm

I like the 16 gigs of ram, the 750TI looks good,

It’s a 4 gig card which works in your favor

[fast dirge]

Other built was a 2gb 750, idk how much difference that makes

I don't know anything about that cpu tho

[potent portal]

That's even older than the A8 and a little lower performance, but would probably still work

[frank stirrup]

better than the other one

[long rock]

I would take the most memory you can get, imo

[fast dirge]

$140 more better than the other one? 😂

[potent portal]

Honestly at $200 that A8 was a steal

Even had an SSD

[frank stirrup]

again, the 3060 has 12gb vram whisch sucks since the bus is too slow for the card to really use all 12gigs for anything really

[frank stirrup]

OH AT 200$?

YEAH GET THE A8

[fast dirge]

I messaged the 200 one. He's a ways away though and I don't drive

[long rock]

Audi boi

Anyway

The A8 was before FX wasn’t it?

[fast dirge]

Aight, I think I have the info I need. Thank you very much all, I'll likely be back at somepoint with more questions

[potent portal]

During and after FX

[fast dirge]

Really appreciate your time and info 🥳

[long rock]

I’ll just say right now my FX was a solid card

[frank stirrup]

???????

[long rock]

I liked it

[frank stirrup]

FX was a cpu generation

not gpu

[long rock]

CPU, sorry lol

God

[potent portal]

The A series was basically FX with integrated graphics

[long rock]

It did everything I asked it to do besides maybe some multitasking while running games, I don’t to that much anyway, and it was a well rounded chop for a first PC

[frank stirrup]

my first pc had a pentium 3

back when cpus didnt have sockets

[potent portal]

How many MHz was that?

My first was 333

Wait no that's what I upgraded to, it was originally 166

[frank stirrup]

Hmm I forget

let me check

[potent portal]

Back when intel had pins lol

[obsidian wigeon]

amd gonna get rid of pins now

well in am5

[frank stirrup]

I cant figure out which pentium 3 had that chip

[potent portal]

SL3K9 is the code to look up

[frank stirrup]

I think its the 600mhz pentium 3

[potent portal]

https://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SL3K9.html

[frank stirrup]

second hit says its an amd cpu

[potent portal]

Well we know that's wrong lol

[frank stirrup]

yep

[little osprey]

Yea my FX was a solid GPU too. My Quadro FX 4600 I mean

[topaz kestrel]

My i5 is the best gpu around.

[little osprey]

Indubitably.

[brittle tinsel]

asking for a friend. (literally, he doesnt know what he has exactly)
he said the brand is team force "T-Force" I have looked it up and it appears tforce only makes ddr4, correct?

[stoic island]

It's branding by Team

Team makes ddr3 too

[brittle tinsel]

hmm

would teamgroup be the same people

this is what he read off the ram stick

"tlzrd48g2666hc18hbk"

[stoic island]

Ye team, team group, same thing

[fossil cedar]

Bless you

But jokes asside, I'd guess 8gb of 2666cl18?

[clever eagle]

umm waht

[tight sorrel]

thats quite horrible

[fossil cedar]

Could be wrong idk how teams sticker breakdown is but looks like that

[obsidian wigeon]

that's probably how it is

[calm heron]

does rtx 3060 ti has blue glow ?

[stoic island]

wdym

[obsidian wigeon]

depends on what card you have in it

[calm heron]

huh ?

[obsidian wigeon]

like model of 3060ti

[calm heron]

my card has blue glow

[stoic island]

are you talking about rgb?

[obsidian wigeon]

oh

[stoic island]

or something about the output

[obsidian wigeon]

well blue lighting?

[calm heron]

something like rgb but only blue light

[obsidian wigeon]

i guess it's that specific model's design

so yeah

3060ti reference has white led

[calm heron]

so its a rgb

?

[obsidian wigeon]

it's not rgb if it's not adjustable

[calm heron]

i mean its just a glowing

nothing special

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah it's lighting

[calm heron]

ah thanks

i was worried

: >

[obsidian wigeon]

you would only worry if it doesn't light up

[fossil cedar]

Leds that you should worry about (if you have them) are way smaller than aesthetic ones btw

[obsidian wigeon]

that too

[small tinsel]

So not technically part of a build, but anyone know a good brand for computer glasses? I tried googling it and I kept getting cheap $15 on Amazon which I highly doubt is super good.

[topaz kestrel]

dont most monitors have reduced blue light functions anyways?

[small tinsel]

They usually have a setting for it, but I also do a lot of art so ideally I find some good ones that don't have a strong tint. Monitor blue light settings do crazy tinting to the screens.

[topaz kestrel]

the cheap ones arent bad, just dont go for anything under $10 lol

[icy thunder]

Can anyone recommend a cheap 3060 ti build that can run Apex legends 60+fps

[topaz kestrel]

why do you need a 3060ti for apex?

[icy thunder]

It's not just apex

[topaz kestrel]

im pretty sure something like an rx570 can run apex at 60+ fps

[icy thunder]

That's just the game that came to my head

[topaz kestrel]

oh lol

[icy thunder]

That's wild, I didn't realize Apex was so easy to run tho

[topaz kestrel]

prebuilt or custom?

[analog pulsar]

(not mine)

so pretty

[icy thunder]

Either, as long as it's pretty cheap

[topaz kestrel]

how cheap is cheap lol

[icy thunder]

Under 1500

That's the lowest I could find myself

[topaz kestrel]

gimme 2 mins rq

[icy thunder]

Take your time

[topaz kestrel]

amd or intel chief?

or not bothered

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali559/p/N82E16883360189?itemPosition=1-12&exactIndex=0 @icy thunder get dis one

assuming budget is uh

1.5k

[topaz kestrel]

https://www.newegg.com/zotac-gh3060a5600x01ba-u-w2b-mek-hero-g1/p/N82E16883218096?Description=3060&cm_re=3060-_-83-218-096-_-Product this is aight but its a 3060 not a ti

little expensive though

[obsidian wigeon]

that's

worse than what i actually spotted lol

[topaz kestrel]

tbh @icy thunder you really dont need such an expensive pc for games like apex lol

[obsidian wigeon]

but like best value is only in this range tbh

1k+

[frank stirrup]

Whats going on?

[obsidian wigeon]

apex isn't so light tbh

well just helping someone get a prebuilt i guess

[frank stirrup]

ahhh

budget?

[obsidian wigeon]

dunno

they don't state it

[icy thunder]

Under 1.5k

[frank stirrup]

aight

[icy thunder]

3060ti preferably and amd preferably

But as long as it runs triple a games at 60fps cpu don't matter

[frank stirrup]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali568/p/N82E16883360198

[obsidian wigeon]

so my link fits your bill

[fossil cedar]

Look for blue light glasses

[fossil cedar]

I've a pair around that price they're pretty good

[frank stirrup]

actually

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali559/p/N82E16883360189

[obsidian wigeon]

caring about cpu brand is pointless tbh

yep that exact one i posted

[fossil cedar]

If you live in the us https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali565/p/N82E16883360195?itemPosition=1-12&exactIndex=2

[frank stirrup]

I got my prescription glasses coated

[fossil cedar]

Yikes

[topaz kestrel]

lol

[frank stirrup]

me likey

[fossil cedar]

The tuf case actually same price so might as well

[obsidian wigeon]

pato looked more thoroughly than me

so yeah go with it

[fossil cedar]

Uwu

[icy thunder]

1 review lol

[obsidian wigeon]

reviews don't matter

abs builds are good enough

[fossil cedar]

User reviews don't really matter

[obsidian wigeon]

and if you have issues, you can return

[frank stirrup]

amount of reviews by users

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

that's what i meant

[fossil cedar]

@icy thunder not exact review but pretty close config wise

[obsidian wigeon]

user reviews are usually clueless ngl

well unless it's something that has very high failure rate

which abs prebuilts doesn't have

so it's fine

[icy thunder]

Alright

I'll look into it

Thank you guys

[fossil cedar]

Np

[muted birch]

Anybody have any tips for using liquid metal?

[potent portal]

Don't use a lot, a very thin layer is all you need.

If it spreads too much off the IHS it can get onto other parts and short them out, since it is metal

Be careful not to drip on other parts in your PC

[muted birch]

Alright, thank you

What should I do if I accidentally put too much? Is it as easy to get off as the regular grease stuff?

[fossil cedar]

Afaik you should just be able to wipe it up

With some paper towels

[potent portal]

Yeah you can just dab it with a cloth, something that doesn't leave lint preferably

[muted birch]

That's good

I have essential tremors, so my fingers sometimes twitch when I'm trying to do precise stuff, and I'm worried that it'll happen and I'll accidentally put too much

They're sometimes bad enough that I could accidentally put the whole 1g syringe on my cpu lmao

[potent portal]

Yikes, fingers crossed that doesn't happen

[wide sparrow]

[vague oracle]

Too much and your mobo can be fried

[sand falcon]

That would be a good deal too much ofc

[vague oracle]

^

[muted birch]

I can't believe that I'm gonna spend $1,800 on a GPU that has an MSRP of $700 T-T

[lyric thistle]

you could alternatively not

[brittle tinsel]

we know that, he was trying to figure out if its ddr4 so he could but the 32gb kit in instead

[worn wave]

It is highly recommended that you do not.

[muted birch]

no shit, but I doubt I'm gonna find a white 3080 cheaper than that on Newegg

at least the price has gone down since I checked earlier

from $1,798.59 to $1,754.99

[worn wave]

I mean you don't need a white GPU, don't waste that much money just to get a white GPU

[muted birch]

I know

but the rest of the pc is gonna be white, so it'd just look like it didn't belong lol

and if I'm spending $5.4K on a setup, I'm making it look good xD

though the PC is complete overkill

[formal girder]

if you know what your doing then you can spray paint the shroud and backplate white if you want a white gpu

[muted birch]

that is true

[hearty pumice]

Does the corsair vertical mount work with a 3070ti in the 4000d?

[rustic flower]

There's no kill like overkill.

Ok, air cooler suggestions that can handle an I7-11700F but are smaller than a Hyper 212. And go:

[muted birch]

Also, is it common to have your PC's specs in your nickname here?

[worn wave]

Somewhat

[desert gulch]

Se224xt may be the best option if it fits

Anything 212 size for a 11700f is gonna not be ideal tho

[rustic flower]

Yeah, it was a crazy fool idea of a sleeper build without breaking out heavy tools. Seems I picked a poor CPU to subject to that trauma. XD

[grim mural]

I have a question

If I won a 3090 but I haven't bought it yet and I have a 3080 TI at home should I sell the 3080 TI and get the 3090 or should I say screw it and not buy it?

[desert gulch]

Do you game?

[grim mural]

I do, I used to game and stream but I can't run very much on my current computer. I am running a 12-year-old computer with a 770 and I can't even remember which CPU I have I can't check because I'm at work

[rustic flower]

I have no basis of reference here. XD

[grim mural]

I used to game and stream on the same build

[desert gulch]

Do you render or do heavy workload stuff?

[grim mural]

I'm going to say no, I would just run multiple things at the same time and attempt to make some videos, and try to run with Max graphics on say pubg and games like that

[desert gulch]

Then I'd just keep that 3080ti tbh

[grim mural]

Know that doesn't really answer your question very well but my current computer gets blue screen of death booting Minecraft not to mention anything bigger than that it's been doing that for quite a while I've already swapped out RAM sticks pretty sure my processor is done

[desert gulch]

You won't actually use that extra vram the 3090 will give you

[grim mural]

All right, that's what I will do then, I appreciate it I appreciate it a lot and when it comes time to fully build the new pc I will have more questions

Thank you 😅

[rustic flower]

Intel(infected) would it be better to scrap the constrained sleeper build in an old 2008 era case in favor of something with room for a 240 AIO or really big air cooler like the Dark Rock TF2 or some triple fan monster Noctua for the 11700F? I guess that's a silly question, isn't it? 😄

Here's hoping it doesn't need a custom water loop...

[desert gulch]

Hmm it all depends on what you're gonna do with the system imo

Are you gonna remove the power limits on that cpu and let it run to it's full power and all that?

[rustic flower]

I think someone already has - got it on a B560 board and it seems to run pretty fast and hot. However, it's also overkill for what I do, I game but casually, and CP 2077 is the most recent thing I have.

I don't stream, do minimal photo editing, and I watch videos.

[desert gulch]

Hmm I mean what's stopping you from throwing a slightly larger cooler in there?

Is it just height?

[rustic flower]

It's all dimensions. I tried a Hyper 212, can't even get the side panel on due to height of cooler. Tried a monster BeQuiet Dark Rock TF2 but then I can't use the innermost ram, the heat pipes push hard on the gpu backplate and the top mounted PSU is in an attic of sorts with the 2 5.25 bays and has a small window for all power cabling - which the TF2 blocks almost completely and it won't go in at all if I run even sleeved cables through ahead of time. Also, there is no cable management space aside from stuffing unused cables in the 5.25 bays. Stock cooler causes a temp shutdown in 4 minutes idling. Got a couple other coolers that were low profile but the old 'NOS my butt' Cooler Master GeminII M4 had corrosion on the heatpipes, was missing screws and no fan clips, while an equally 'NOS' Arctic Alpine 11 had 2 of the 4 pins ripped out of the fan header and crushed into little balls. Also, the case only supports 1 92mm rear fan and 1 80mm front, so most AIOs are not usable.

Sorry to rant. I know it would be running toasty but I am considering a 92mm tower, some of the Noctua LP coolers, the Scythe Big Shuriken 3... The case does have one of those old plastic ducts that I couold reinstall and set up right above one of these coolers.

Well, the low profile ones.

[desert gulch]

yeah im understanding your scenario lol

sounds tricky

[rustic flower]

I did find a DeepCool mini tower cooler with push/pull 80mm fans and an alleged tdp of 130. But it really is a lot of hassle and money now tossed at what is, in the end, an inefficient hotbox of a sleeper.

[desert gulch]

an NH-L9 65 may be worth looking into

[rustic flower]

hehm, let me show ytou my problem - here's a link to the case:

Ok, identical to this, except the side duct port is round on mine and square here

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811108404

[desert gulch]

oh yeah thats gonna be pretty difficult

maybe someone else here has done a similar build and has an idea

[rustic flower]

Thanks for the help, and putting up with me.

[desert gulch]

lol no problem

[rustic flower]

I just thought it would be hilarious but it's not essential. I am using the I7/B560 in a Cooler Master N200 case right now and the Hyper 212. For an inadequate cooler, it's doing pretty good right now.

[celest horizon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/ may be helpful @rustic flower

[fossil cedar]

It is ddr4, ddr3 couldn't get to 2666

[small tinsel]

Think there is any benefit to having fans over the power supply in the Corsair airflow 5000 or should I ditch them?

[fossil cedar]

Ditch em, your power supply fan should be facing down anyway

Also if your in the non airflow, I'd recommend taking off the front panel kek

[small tinsel]

It's the airflow

And the fans weren't gonna push out, I was thinkg pull in to hit the GPU and motherboard. Just not sure how much air it would get down there

[fossil cedar]

Nah no point just tryna steal air from your psu shroud lol

[frank stirrup]

Instructions not clear finger stuck in fan please advice

[fossil cedar]

Take finger out of fan

[flint sapphire]

Instructions not clear I put another finger in the fan

[fossil cedar]

[frank stirrup]

Finger.exe could not be found. It could be chopped up or the location could have changed. To fix shortcut please select new location

[fossil cedar]

Put all the fingers in fan

[frank stirrup]

What I do now pato

[flint sapphire]

Error 404 fan and fingers not found

[fossil cedar]

Reboot

[frank stirrup]

Okay brb

[fossil cedar]

Find fingers

[flint sapphire]

Searching in the directory for ‘fingers.exe’

[frank stirrup]

Ok i rebooted and still cant find finger

[potent portal]

Acknowledge that, like everything else, the fan is a construct of your perception and does not truly exist as you see it, then you can transcend reality and remove your fingers from the fan

[frank stirrup]

Oh i am nowhere near drunk enough for this

[fossil cedar]

Find harder

[flint sapphire]

I’ve found toes.exe, it seems to be interconnected with the fan.

[fossil cedar]

Close enough

Same to jp anyway

[frank stirrup]

Instructions not clear pulled fan out and now its flying around

OH BTW DARVAN

[flint sapphire]

Instructions not clear created, Amazon drone

[fossil cedar]

You're welcome now you hae freed your pet fan

[clever eagle]

gpu cables

[flint sapphire]

Hyuge

[frank stirrup]

Instructions not clear cat jumped into fan

[fossil cedar]

Free dinner?

[frank stirrup]

We dont eat pets here

[clever eagle]

a

[fossil cedar]

Who said that

[clever eagle]

idk

[potent portal]

Didn't say you had to eat it

[frank stirrup]

Instructions not clear ate fan please advice

[clever eagle]

lmao

[fossil cedar]

Chew, fans are a bit tough

[frank stirrup]

Instructions clear chewed hard, teeth broke tjo please advice

[flint sapphire]

Suggest deep frying fan first

[fossil cedar]

Don't break teeth

[frank stirrup]

Too late

[fossil cedar]

But just dont

Or get replacement gold teeth like a rapper

[clever eagle]

reverse time

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/sillygoose-silly-goose-idiot-gif-18968771

[flint sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-flying-cat-gif-12082670

[fossil cedar]

How he supposed to do that smh

[frank stirrup]

Instructions not clear put fingers back into fan

[fossil cedar]

Become the fan to beat the fan

[frank stirrup]

Ohhhhhh ok

Pato sir big fan

[clever eagle]

hi

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/rgb-fan-wall-corsair-fans-ll-rgb-fans-corsair-fan-wall-corsair-rgb-gif-13435146

[clever eagle]

/time set 1000

easy

time reversed

everyone is shocked pikachu face rn

[next harbor]

YEAH

[fluid valve]

Me thinking he had his computer parts sitting in a garage. It’s just an model car tho lol

[kindred steeple]

Hey all, I'm looking to upgrade my CPU air cooler to a water cooler and upgrade my naked Ram sticks to one with heatsinks and some RGB. Here's a quick Parts list of what I have and the parts I'm thinking about adding (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4JPCGq). I'm just a little concerned about things like RAM clearance and if my case is big enough to support a 360mm radiator. Would all this stuff work together?

[fossil cedar]

Both the ram and aio are overpriced and meh but the case has enough room

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K8C7mk I'd do this

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xGN868

I did this lel

[fossil cedar]

Thing is idk if 7700k would be able for 3600

[obsidian wigeon]

But pato's is better

Well yeah tru, 3200 for safe bet

Wait it does work on 3600

Has lots of perf gain from 3000c15 it seems

[fossil cedar]

Also if you don't have that psu I'd suggest different but I'd say you already have

[fossil cedar]

It does?

[obsidian wigeon]

ya

Quick youtube vid says it can

With perf increase

https://youtu.be/p-taer3qX1E

[fossil cedar]

Stable tho?

[obsidian wigeon]

Yah

Stable as heck

[fossil cedar]

Mkay

Then yeah foxies list

[obsidian wigeon]

hehe

[fossil cedar]

Ehh actually nah not worth 40$ for 10ish fps

[obsidian wigeon]

Aw, but tru

3200 would sit in the middle

Fair judgement

[celest horizon]

7700k can run 4133c17 ish with most 2x8 b-die

Actually - maybe not much over 3800/4000 if you have a cheap mobo

[obsidian wigeon]

wew

7700k has nice imc then

[celest horizon]

6th gen had a notoriously weak IMC, each gen seems to have improved a bit since.

[compact girder]

question, will my aorus z390 motherboard support 30 series cards

[kindred steeple]

@fossil cedar thanks for letting me know, I picked the kraken because I really liked the idea of the LCD screen on the cpu block and the ram I picked mostly because it’s better than the 16gb I have now and I wanted nice looking RGB that wasn’t just a gradient look. Have any better recommendations?

[cobalt path]

Do you need a GPU for a strictly streaming build? Just plugging in a camera, internet, OBS and setting a live stream up, not a gaming stream. I was asked if I could help a local pastor I assume he wants to stream Sunday services. While I have hardware knowledge I don’t have any streaming specific knowledge. Any help is appreciated. Now that I posted in an appropriate channel lol

Should specify “a discrete GPU” obviously you need some sort of graphics processor lol

[little osprey]

Yea, if you're not streaming games, usually the CPU should be enough for video encoding. The bitrate, resolution, and framerate are the main things that you'd consider when it comes to choosing a CPU in this case. I'd still get another opinion or two though since im not 100% sure

[cobalt path]

Wouldn’t be opposed to something like a gt1030 if it’s going to perform better. Just trying to be on the budget friendly side for this one

[fossil cedar]

Yes

[little osprey]

hey you could even go 2nd hand on the graphics card all together to save some extra money. and all that's considering you dont get an APU like a 3400G or something that already has pretty decent graphics built-in

then again the igpu in the 3400g outperforms a gt 1030 im pretty sure lol

[compact girder]

ok thanks, i was going to get the msi 3060ti, and pairing it with my i7 9700k

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cGJgXL/klevv-cras-x-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-kd4agu880-32a160x or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mwPgXL/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-tf3d432g3200hc16cdc01 or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dHjJ7P/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-32gtzrx

[compact girder]

i have a 650w 80+ gold GQ psu

[fossil cedar]

Cpu encoding should be enough if it's a modern ish cpu and like 6 cores or more preferably

[fossil cedar]

If it's intel tho you can use quicksync with their igpu i believe

[fossil cedar]

👍

[fossil cedar]

I'd upgrade that if possible

[compact girder]

i heard from someone in here that my 650w 80+ gold would be enough to run the i7 9700k and the 3060ti

[fossil cedar]

GQ is fine but its not the best

[compact girder]

but will it be enough to run it fully

[fossil cedar]

Not the wattage i have a problem with, 650w is good it's the model

[fossil cedar]

It should be yeah

[compact girder]

ok

[cobalt path]

I’d lean towards intel as I wouldn’t have a way to update mobo bios for a 5600g and still being a bit new to this world overall I’ve had good luck with intel so far. (4 builds under my built this year working on number 5 😁)

[compact girder]

so the 650w 80+ gold should be enough to run the 3060Ti and the i7 9700k

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

80+ gold has nothing to do with quality fyi

[compact girder]

ok

but upgrade when possible

[fossil cedar]

I would if you can, it could be fine though

[compact girder]

ok

[cobalt path]

I have a 3060 and 10700 running on a 550w Corsair no problem.

[compact girder]

that’s good to know

thanks

[cobalt path]

Granted it’s not a ti but you’re in the ballpark

[compact girder]

ok

thanks

just had to make sure before i buy it

im getting the msi 3060ti

[cobalt path]

PCpartpicker is a great Resource just plug your build in and it will give you an estimated power draw

[compact girder]

ya

ok

[fossil cedar]

[fossil cedar]

nononono wattage calculators are not good @compact girder

they dont account for boosting or anything

[cobalt path]

Lol I know but I can’t remember off the top of my head. The calculator I was going to elaborate on but I couldn’t remember the percentage rule of thumb

[fossil cedar]

just dont use it lol

[cobalt path]

Eh i was told something like 30% over what the calculator spits out

But I couldn’t remember so I didn’t want to misspeak

[compact girder]

ok

[cobalt path]

I have two PCs running Corsair RMx power supplies. Ones 550w and other is 750w

[worn wave]

The RMx model is great

[fossil cedar]

Yeah they are literally one of the best power supplies btw

[cobalt path]

That’s what I’ve gathered. Haven’t had any issue. Modular cables are good quality etc…

Know anything about the Seasonic GX650?

[earnest olive]

if you give it really good ram it can match it in most titles, it never really convincingly beats it though

[fossil cedar]

Still v good not as good as rmx tho

[cobalt path]

Newegg had them on sale for $90 the other day picked one up. Didn’t do my homework first like I normally do. Glad it’s not a flop lol thanks

[untold vessel]

@fossil cedar PATOOOOO

[fossil cedar]

Yee

[untold vessel]

Can anyone here make a MAXED OUT Performance beast for $1,500, with the soul purpose of cranking out the highest settings at 4k? Pay no attention to aesthetics, because this computer is allowed to literally look like a cardboard box

[fossil cedar]

For 4k no lol

[untold vessel]

Long time no see 👺👺

What’s the price range for a performance beast at 4k?

$2,000 ish?

[fossil cedar]

Ehhhh possibly

Lemme see

[untold vessel]

Tysm

[potent portal]

If you get a GPU at msrp yeah, otherwise 2500 is more reasonable

[fossil cedar]

Depends what price you can get the gpu for tbh lol

[untold vessel]

Go for the best price for a performance beast

Oh and set the GPU at mary

mark

MSRO

Oh my god MSRP

[fossil cedar]

Msrp pipedream

[untold vessel]

yeah but i’m fine waiting 1 year+

[fossil cedar]

you in the us yeah?

[untold vessel]

Yep

live next door to a best buy

[fossil cedar]

then the list will need to be redone lol

[untold vessel]

I can walk there

[frank stirrup]

in that much time the list hes made rn will be not great

[fossil cedar]

unless you wanna use igpu for now

[untold vessel]

Figures, but that’s okay for now

Yeah I’ll use IGPU for now

[frank stirrup]

ddr5 and alder lake thooo

[fossil cedar]

can you wait?

for 12th gen?

i would

[viral ore]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/clp-computers-tablets/nvidia-geforce-rtx-graphics-cards/pcmcat1619723841347.c just go to nearest best buy and stand in line for gpu tonight smh

[fossil cedar]

but ill throw together something you can buy now

[untold vessel]

yes; Basically give me a maxed settings 4k performance beast for as best of a price as possible

And then, until I can put a GPU in, I’ll just play minecraft

[fossil cedar]

okay lol

[untold vessel]

yep lol

[viral ore]

if u live next door to a best buy, see if that best buy is on the list

[frank stirrup]

12th gen isnt here yet btw

it will be in a few monfs

lotta improve,emts

I 100% resommend waiting

[untold vessel]

Yeah definitely

I will

[cobalt path]

My local Best Buy hasn’t gotten a GPU in months… I’ve asked several times 😂

[stoic island]

I only 50% recommend waiting, ddr5 main factor limiting me from completely recommending it

[frank stirrup]

then no point in asking for a list rn

[untold vessel]

DDR10 RAM 😫😫😫

[frank stirrup]

why exactly?

[stoic island]

early in the gen for ram is always wacky

[untold vessel]

true, we might have to wait for 13th gen for casual ddr5 ram compatibility

[stoic island]

Early ddr4 was crappy, expensive, and worse than good ddr3

[frank stirrup]

not expected to be the case this time

[untold vessel]

yep

[stoic island]

same trend for this gen it seems

[untold vessel]

true true Mr1111

[stoic island]

Even looking at specs, for example, Team's already released ddr5 4800 runs at cl40

[untold vessel]

LMAO

[stoic island]

yeye freq is nice but

[untold vessel]

Yeah It’d be good to wait

[stoic island]

people run 4800 c20 on ddr4

[untold vessel]

But to be fair if that’s my motto I’ll always be waiting

[frank stirrup]

but the pcb itself is quite different

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hrJJ68

[untold vessel]

Let’s Goooo

[stoic island]

I'm not saying ddr5 is useless

I'm saying early ddr5 is beaten by good ddr4

[frank stirrup]

IDK tbh

DDR5 might beat ddr4

[stoic island]

some, sure

ofc ddr4 2133c15 is gonna be worse

[frank stirrup]

also you can just swap ram at a later date

[stoic island]

but higher end, I say ddr4 can beat ddr5 for the first year

[untold vessel]

Hold up Pato, what was that super cool 32 GB of ram you gave me about 3 months ago?

Also, could we upgrade to 1TB of storage

[frank stirrup]

instead of everything to switch to ddr5

[stoic island]

and that's why I don't want to recommend ddr5/12th gen now

[fossil cedar]

keep in mind arshia mentioned something about the cl being half of 40 because of some dual channel type behavior on 1 stick i cant remember exactly though could be wrong

[stoic island]

yeye it's different

but I'm just saying

[frank stirrup]

12th gen also can do ddr4

[stoic island]

Can, but will be limited afaik

[frank stirrup]

and 12th gen itself gonna see massive improvements

big little gonna be big

[fossil cedar]

well i was giving you budget for 4k under 2k$ its pretty hard to get 32gb ram in there and 1tb of storage

okay well the 1tb is 50$ more

but 32gb ram is like an extra 80ish

[stoic island]

and I doubt it can be directly comparable at all

but numbers are fun to toss around

[fossil cedar]

true

[untold vessel]

eHhhHhHh if it’s $2,000 might as well make it $2,200ish, go for it!

[fossil cedar]

okay lol

[untold vessel]

[stoic island]

stonk time

[frank stirrup]

is the peerless assassin a newer cooler?

[stoic island]

also could do better case

[frank stirrup]

case is fine

[stoic island]

pa120 supposed to be good

fine but p400a non-digital coming with no fans sad, having to buy extra p12

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v4tvp2

[fossil cedar]

yep outperf fuma 2 on intel, fuma has better ram clearance tho, for ryzen frost spirit 140 atm

just because of the way they contact ihs

[frank stirrup]

Hmmm interesting

is there a chart?

like with compares?

[stoic island]

no great charts but we have a few

somewhere

[frank stirrup]

I seem to have missed a lot in the 2 weeks or so that I was off

[stoic island]

not really

just some evidence pa120/fs140 might be better than fuma 2

[frank stirrup]

Ahh I see

[fossil cedar]

i mean it cant be bad anyway lol

6 heatpipes and decent fans

actually demnomit featured it in a build of theirs

mb they benched?

it does look really good tho

[frank stirrup]

Yeah I can see how thats a good cooler

[fossil cedar]

hey @austere condor in this build with the pa120 did you bench it by any chance?

[frank stirrup]

also the ram clearance you speak of

[fossil cedar]

i mean can probs always bring fan up a bit if case allows

[obsidian wigeon]

peerless legit looks good

even in black

[cobalt path]

She’s a chungus

[obsidian wigeon]

fits in meshify c so that's something

[fossil cedar]

Yup, white argb was the only one in stock tho so it's clearly popular lol

[obsidian wigeon]

a good cooler that fits in compact case

wew

And it performs nice too

[cobalt path]

Because I wanted to drop them dollar bills 😂

[obsidian wigeon]

oooo

chromax

I dig those colors

White, black n blue

Are those led strips with the case or

[cobalt path]

Looks good vapor wave style too lol

[cobalt path]

No they’re “Airgoo” got them on Newegg

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

[cobalt path]

Diffused ARGB kits. Two strips like $25

[obsidian wigeon]

Pretty cool

[cobalt path]

I like the way it turned out

[fossil cedar]

Niceee

[fossil cedar]

What cooler is that?

Looks sick

[cobalt path]

Those Arctic bionix fans are pretty loud though. Granted they move some serious air too though lol

[cobalt path]

Noctua chromax nhu12

Got the white shroud and white vibration isolators

[fossil cedar]

Ahhh the u12

[obsidian wigeon]

@fossil cedar Also, remember when I mentioned the case fan rattle I have? It's actually coming from the gpu

[cobalt path]

It’s a classic lol

[obsidian wigeon]

I honestly dunno how it happened lol

[fossil cedar]

Weird

[obsidian wigeon]

Rampin its fan up and down made it quiet

But it happens again

I just wiped it normally

Didn't even mess with the fan

[fossil cedar]

When is the last time the fan had a break eheh

[obsidian wigeon]

It has monthly cleaning breaks kek

[fossil cedar]

Fair enough

[obsidian wigeon]

Only started happening this month

Which is odd

[fossil cedar]

Hmm

How longs it been going?

In total?

[obsidian wigeon]

Like hmn

3 months?

I don't even max it out

It's like 60-70% most of the times

[fossil cedar]

Weird

[obsidian wigeon]

Imma try poking around it tmr

I don't see the fan vibrating noticeably at all tho