building-and-recc-chat

[kind vortex]

so many question lol

[earnest olive]

anyone wanna bet it's nzxt h510

[kind vortex]

no

[pallid jasper]

It is

[kind vortex]

oh

it a good case after all

[pallid jasper]

It was the most appealing and I’ve wanted it for years

[kind vortex]

so 500 huh

pretty decent

[pallid jasper]

500-600

Around that

[kind vortex]

what motherboard do you have

[pallid jasper]

Asus b-450 f ll

And a crucial 500 gn ssd

[kind vortex]

holy

[kind vortex]

nice

[pallid jasper]

And a 1th wd hhd

[kind vortex]

so it a amd board

[pallid jasper]

Ye

[kind vortex]

you mean 1TB?

[pallid jasper]

Oof ye

what would you recommend i do?

[kind vortex]

hmm

[pallid jasper]

I dont wanna choose a cpu yet cuz idk if im getting an APU

[kind vortex]

what does the 5 5600x sound like to you

[pallid jasper]

i could cop

but

[wheat coral]

its 300$

[pallid jasper]

gpu prices

[wheat coral]

bro its literally more than half of his budget

[kind vortex]

GO UP A LOT

hmm

[wheat coral]

he already has a board yes

he has 500$

[pallid jasper]

yes

[wheat coral]

300$ of that is CPu

no

[kind vortex]

what does the 5 2600 sound to you

it 190$ lmao

[pallid jasper]

i can

[wheat coral]

grab a used 2600 or 3600

[kind vortex]

oh there is a 3000$ threadipper

[little osprey]

5600x is 260 on ebay from antonline

[pallid jasper]

but the gpu is the problem

[kind vortex]

NO

[wheat coral]

or grab a 5600g and 16gb ram and call it good

[kind vortex]

hmm

[wheat coral]

???????????

[pallid jasper]

should i go APU

[wheat coral]

yes

[pallid jasper]

until prices go down

[little osprey]

If you can find a 11400 for 190$ it's nice cpu

[kind vortex]

i mean if you use for like school

then igpu

[little osprey]

Wait he had mobo

[pallid jasper]

i arl have amother

board

[kind vortex]

ok

[little osprey]

Which board

[pallid jasper]

am4

b-450

[little osprey]

Oh alight

[wheat coral]

igpu isnt that bad lmao

i'd go a 5600g or 5700g+ram

[little osprey]

Then 5600 is great choice

X or g idk but 5600x great deal lol

[pallid jasper]

bruh 1660 used to be like 170 not they are 600

[wheat coral]

no

he has

[pallid jasper]

thats more than RTX MSRP

[wheat coral]

500$

[little osprey]

Lol welcome to 2021 😂

[pallid jasper]

500 - 600

[kind vortex]

what does gtx 1660 sound to you

or jsut went igpu idk

[wheat coral]

too expensive is what it sounds like

[pallid jasper]

oh

that would break my budget

[kind vortex]

ikr

you want radeon vega 8?

[little osprey]

Finding gpu for msrp is like finding diamond now lol

[pallid jasper]

i could get a gtx 1050 and an athon with 4 gb of 2666 ram

[kind vortex]

or radeon vega 11

[pallid jasper]

lol

[kind vortex]

NO 4GB RAM

[wheat coral]

jango

its a joke

[pallid jasper]

at that point im better off getting a lemon

[kind vortex]

gtx 1050ti is pretty good

but nah

[pallid jasper]

ik

lemme check the prices

around 300-400

im good

[little osprey]

1650 used to be around 200-250 idk 🤔

[kind vortex]

what about the 5 3400g

[wheat coral]

no its not

jango

please

[pallid jasper]

link?

[wheat coral]

5600g+16gb ram

[pallid jasper]

ye

[kind vortex]

NO

[wheat coral]

save the extra budget for gpu

[kind vortex]

3400g

[wheat coral]

this is why i dont want to be here

why 3400g

give me a good reason

[pallid jasper]

why not 5600?

isnt it way better

[wheat coral]

yes

[kind vortex]

i guess 5600g

[wheat coral]

way way better

[pallid jasper]

cuz

[little osprey]

All oos ofc lol

[pallid jasper]

by next year when prices go down i can just cop an rtx

[kind vortex]

white or black @pallid jasper

[wheat coral]

why h510

wtf

im done

[pallid jasper]

i arl had it

black and red

[kind vortex]

ok lmao

[wheat coral]

bruh lmao

[kind vortex]

what about psu

[wheat coral]

why even put it in the list den

lol

[kind vortex]

do you have a psu

[pallid jasper]

i will prob cop a 50 dollar 80 gold

no

[little osprey]

newegg dropping some asus single fan 1650 for 230$ or something but it goes oos in a minute lol

[kind vortex]

sound sus

[pallid jasper]

lol

what psu should i get

[wheat coral]

rating doesn tmatter

[kind vortex]

ye

[pallid jasper]

im only getting EVGA or Corsaie

corsair

[kind vortex]

i see

[wheat coral]

brand doesnt matter

[kind vortex]

550w?

or 500w

[little osprey]

[wheat coral]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fV9mbh

do what you want with that

[kind vortex]

i gotta say

pretty good

OK IT DONE NOW

[pallid jasper]

HMM ye

if i really wanted to i could get 32gb

[little osprey]

Nice list tho but maybe cheaper ram ? Since ram brands are really not matter much

[kind vortex]

[wheat coral]

ballistix betyter for headroom

like messing with timings etc

[little osprey]

Sure

[kind vortex]

my pc is like very expensive

[wheat coral]

but if you dont care thjen go with any 3600 cl16 kit

[little osprey]

But maybe like t-force delta rgb or something cheap

[wheat coral]

save the extra budget for gpu

[little osprey]

Yeah

[pallid jasper]

ok

[little osprey]

Gpu is big issue

[pallid jasper]

idk if they will even go down

[little osprey]

Nope

They will raise as well lol

[wheat coral]

eventually

[wheat coral]

why?

[pallid jasper]

minners

[kind vortex]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/quanmen/saved/wVRcHx

is this a good build?

[wheat coral]

miners arent the cause

lmao

like

not at all

[little osprey]

Msrp of aibs going higher and higher sadly

[kind vortex]

msrp be like

[pallid jasper]

even used gpus are busted

[little osprey]

Like almost all 3060s are over 500

Even zotac lol

[pallid jasper]

lol

[wheat coral]

for now yes

[little osprey]

Only evga have close to msrp prices

[wheat coral]

look at bestbuy lmao

[little osprey]

BB sux lol

[wheat coral]

no it doesnt lmao

every card on BB is new msrp

[little osprey]

They put some gpus on site with hidden sku and people bougts lots of them in last wef days lol

it was orderably lol

On backend of site

I personally camped a lot on BB drops but no any luck lol

Thanks to Newegg for my white strix 3090

[pallid jasper]

how much was it?

[little osprey]

2400bucks or something

[pallid jasper]

uh

just 1900 past my budget

[little osprey]

Lol

3090 is necessary but I work with it so

[pallid jasper]

o lol

[little osprey]

I could get evga for 2000bucks actually but I want white card

Especially white strix looks amazing

[pallid jasper]

lol

what does ur build look like?

[little osprey]

All white 👍

Currently 10700k with 32gigs of ram but waiting for 12th gen to upgrade it

[pallid jasper]

Anyone selling any gpu honestly

even a 750

idgaf

[little osprey]

Lol

You have to camp on specific drops lol

[pallid jasper]

Ik

[little osprey]

And if you have microcenter near you, you have better chance

[pallid jasper]

I do

[little osprey]

Check microcenter frequently

Ask them when their truck comes lol

They not always having stock but they usually getting stock 3 4 times a week i think

[clever eagle]

a

[little osprey]

I suffered few months to get my white strix

zotac is easiest to get novadays

they dropping 3060 and 360tis almost every day lol

but its prices...

550for 3060 and 650for 3060ti

yeah

aibs now : look I'm scalper now lol

[outer locust]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yWqzt8

is this good?

im mostly using it for gaming

[clever eagle]

cheap
how much does 3600 cl16 cost in usa?

[clever eagle]

ur paying quite a lot for a sata drive

[outer locust]

mx500?

[earnest olive]

$590 for a 6600XT is terrible

just buy a used 2070 super at that point

[outer locust]

ebay?

[earnest olive]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/new/

ebay sucks

[little osprey]

6600xt is nice card too but for 450

max 500 id say

[outer locust]

where do i buy a cheaper one tho

[outer locust]

thats mostly local and doesnt have anything thats in my budget

s;klfsj;fjs;f

they also selling gpu's for a high price

not a big difference

[celest horizon]

Ebay's great - but I don't really buy GPUs there

Missed an auction on a 770 lightning today though 🧂

[blissful dirge]

guys whats better ram 4000mhz CL18 or 3600mhz CL16 for gaming?

[analog pulsar]

https://youtu.be/iD799PoncgI

👀

[wheat coral]

is it a shunt mod?

oh just a pad mod isnt it

[analog pulsar]

Idk I'm watching rn

[pallid jasper]

i think 3600 cl16 but i couldnt tell u for sure

[wheat coral]

yeah

pod mod

[wheat coral]

just about equal latency wise

iirc cl18 is a little faster but idr

[earnest olive]

@outer locust you gotta put in a little more effort but I've gotten some insane deals on here

[wheat coral]

but does depend on all of its subtimings etc

[earnest olive]

590 for a 6600xt is terrible

[earnest olive]

don't go for 4000 if you have ryzen cpu

[wheat coral]

6600xt is terrible

dab

[analog pulsar]

So is that bad or good

[wheat coral]

good

*pad

not pod lol

[analog pulsar]

Oh okay

[outer locust]

whats a good gpu that you can buy under $600 then?

[wheat coral]

depends if you wanna wait or not lol

you can probs pick up a 3060ti for like 500-600$ if you wanna wait

[outer locust]

where do i get one that cheap? i dont really know what im doing

[wheat coral]

best buy

[outer locust]

wont people insta buy them or something?

its gonna be hard

[wheat coral]

its gonna be hard to get one near msrp everywhere

lmao

[outer locust]

yea ik

is there a trick to getting it from best buy then?

[wheat coral]

nope

click fast

[outer locust]

is there something that can notify me?

when a card goes on sale

[little osprey]

stock alert servers

theres some stock alert servers on discord

[outer locust]

can you link one?

[little osprey]

let me invivte you one on dm

[outer locust]

ok

[little osprey]

asking for a friend

if they were to mount an LG 32UD59-B

32 inches 11.7lbs

and an optix g271

would that work on this

HUANUO Dual Monitor Stand - Height Adjustable Gas Spring Monitor Desk Mount Fits 2 Flat/Curved Computer Screens 15 to 27 Inch, Double Articulating Arms Vesa Bracket with C Clamp, Grommet Mounting https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081PV6JJY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_CS9MRB82WBKMW3VBD8G8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[jagged ember]

i don't think it would work, given it;s only for up to 27" monitors

but also like why two arms anyways

[potent turtle]

So I have a budget of $900 to $1200 what pre builds could I get that are decent for that price.The only ones I could find were on best buy.

[little osprey]

For 1200 you can find 3060 prebuilds

[little osprey]

They want stacked

[jagged ember]

lmao

two 32 inch monitors stacked on top of each other linus style?

[wheat coral]

probably

but he didnt do tv's

he did ultrawide

32:9

g271 is 27

[little osprey]

He wants 32 inch but 27 is more affordable

bro spent $170 on the LG one

[wheat coral]

dont count on it fitting on there but it could

[little osprey]

LG always has massive price drops for monitors that don’t make sense

and he got baited by it

Like 32 inch 1080p

[wheat coral]

ud59 is 4k lmao

[little osprey]

Yeah i know but he has igpu

[wheat coral]

igp can still output 4k

[little osprey]

He’s running 1080p 60hz

[wheat coral]

why lmao

[little osprey]

nah he wants to game on it

[wheat coral]

i got an idea

play games at 1080p

and use it at 4k normally

lmao

[little osprey]

That’s what he does

[wheat coral]

why say "he's running 1080p 60hz" then

lmao

[clever eagle]

what'

[little osprey]

But it can’t push 60hz

so it’s not even worth it for gaming

should have gotten the g241

[wheat coral]

what cant push 60hz

[little osprey]

The monitor and laptop

Monitor mainly

[wheat coral]

monitor should do 60hz 4k lol

[little osprey]

Yeah but he wants to game on it at 4k60 on his laptop

💀

[wheat coral]

thats not the monitors fault

Refresh Rate. 60Hz. Resolution. 3840x2160.
Panel Type. VA. Aspect Ratio. 16:9.
Brightness. 300nits. Color Gamut. DCI-P3 95%
Response Time. 5ms GTG. Contrast Ratio (DFC) 3000:1.
Viewing Angle. 178 / 178. Surface Treatment. Anti glare ,3H.
Display Resolution. 4K UHD.

[little osprey]

Buyers fault i. m. o.

[wheat coral]

tis'

[little osprey]

it’s a great monitor if your computer can utilize it

[little osprey]

yeah

that

[clever eagle]

😮

[little osprey]

I have a 4k 60hz monitor but the colors, response time, and panel in general is pretty sub-par

Got it 180 new

[cerulean root]

With a psu what is form factor?

[desert gulch]

How big it is

Or how compact it is

[cerulean root]

If i have a micro atx does a atx factor psu work?

[desert gulch]

Micro ATX case?

[little osprey]

yea, if its a micro ATX case, a regular atx form factor PSU should work fine

[desert gulch]

Not always

[little osprey]

yea there are some exception. i guess it would be most reasonable to compatbility check anyway of course.

[desert gulch]

Some need a sfx psu

[jagged ember]

check the psu size with the case max psu size

[little osprey]

@cerulean root Which case and PSU are you interested in

[desert gulch]

So I'm trying to find out which matx case they have

[jagged ember]

if it fits, it fits

[cerulean root]

One sec i clicked start new, im rebuilding what i had

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ScroppyIsDead/saved/#view=zNmwgs

There

[wheat coral]

yeah that psu will fir

*fit

iirc ga isnt the uhh best though

[desert gulch]

You already got that ram?

[wheat coral]

but for 75 not too bad i dont think

[cerulean root]

Nope

[desert gulch]

Don't get it

[cerulean root]

Im planning

Suggustions?

[desert gulch]

Ballistix 3600 cl16 is not much more

And hella better

[cerulean root]

Kk

[little osprey]

good luck getting your hands on a 3060 for msrp bro

ive given up lol

[cerulean root]

Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16

[cerulean root]

Ima wait till gpu thing dies down

[little osprey]

same

[cerulean root]

Lol

[little osprey]

I used the money I had for a new GPU on a new CPU

[jagged ember]

gl waiting it out

[cerulean root]

Lol

[jagged ember]

seriously

[little osprey]

a 1070 is still pretty good anyway, just not for 4k lol

[cerulean root]

Lol

Goal is 1440p

[little osprey]

my modded fallout 4 runs at around 30fps at 4k

Not because its badly optimized or anything, but because of all my graphical mods and reshade presets lmao

[cerulean root]

Lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ScroppyIsDead/saved/zNmwgs

In the errors

[wheat coral]

that ram is not the go

[cerulean root]

There is something saying psu to long

Lol im going budget

I need every cent for gpu

Eventually

[wheat coral]

i assume the budget is 1200

[cerulean root]

Nahh just cheap as possible

With reason

For gaming...

[wheat coral]

your new budget is 1200

[cerulean root]

Lol kk

[wheat coral]

gimme a min to find a diff psu for you and itll be gucci

[cerulean root]

Kk

Ima get the 5090 one day

[little osprey]

did you find a better deal? @wheat coral

[cerulean root]

16k

[little osprey]

might snag me an extra PSU if thats a case

[wheat coral]

nah just needs a shorter one

and GA isnt the best

[little osprey]

oh alr

[cerulean root]

Its not a case its a psu

Hahaha

Dad jokes

[little osprey]

bruhhhh

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-emperor-palpatine-fly-gif-17095684

[cerulean root]

Lmao

I am your father

[wheat coral]

dad?

[cerulean root]

Mom?

[jagged ember]

son?

[little osprey]

joe? momma

[cerulean root]

Sister?

Step ladder?

[little osprey]

3rd cousin

graphics card

flux capacitor

[jagged ember]

Segue? To our sponsor

[cerulean root]

psu

[little osprey]

shunt resistor

[cerulean root]

Far?

[little osprey]

50mm Dynamic Drivers

[cerulean root]

3090?

Lol nope

[little osprey]

lmao

[wheat coral]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yCs4xc

im like 2$ over budget

actually ill put the other psu and be under

[cerulean root]

UNACCEPTABLE

[wheat coral]

should be fine

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QTXrZZ

there ya go

[little osprey]

go for a walk in that case, might find a few bucks

boom

[jagged ember]

lmao that's the reason we go on walks

[little osprey]

facts

[cerulean root]

Ok,

[wheat coral]

pro vdh board doesnt look the best but itll probs be fine

at least its got vrm heatsink lmao

good enough to eat

[jagged ember]

yum

[cerulean root]

How much of a diffrence will 3200 ram vs 3600 ram in modded minecraft?

[wheat coral]

yes

[jagged ember]

if it's good enough to eat, it's good enough to be neat

[wheat coral]

mc isnt a ram thing

so probs none but that ram will help in every other case

[cerulean root]

Hmmm

Do i NEED 3600

[wispy matrix]

mc is def not a ram thing i would say more like a gpu

[cerulean root]

Wait jpw people do thoose 32k tnt

[little osprey]

honestly modded MC uses a good mix of CPU RAM and GPU depending on the mods

@cerulean root WHat modpack you running. Any shaders and textures?

[cerulean root]

Only the best...

Rlcraft fast grapics

[wheat coral]

i'd advise it

[little osprey]

bro you have my respect

RLCraft best modpack.

by far

[cerulean root]

Its fun

[wheat coral]

i played it and didnt know what to do besides survive

[cerulean root]

Yall wanna join a server?

[wispy matrix]

i am trying to finish Stacia: Expert

[little osprey]

I was actually gonna host my own MC server on a PC i have dedicated for that and another server. But I have to put my server managment and developing on hold since Im living on campus now for college 😔

[cerulean root]

Right now its upside down vinilla, i can change it to rlcraft. If it dies

Which it will

[little osprey]

upside down vanilla?

[cerulean root]

Well

1 mod

Up down all around thing

[little osprey]

oh

but no shaders or anything?

[cerulean root]

Lol

No

[little osprey]

how could you

you gotta use shaders

[cerulean root]

We has bad pc

[little osprey]

I suggest BSL Shaders with Depixel for RLCraft

Complementary Shaders for 1.16 minecraft and above

saem texture pack

[cerulean root]

Hmm ill try it

If i get on my pc

[little osprey]

very good

[cerulean root]

Hopefully i dont crash

[little osprey]

nah you wont

probably

[cerulean root]

With fastest grapics rlcraft i get 50ish fps most

[little osprey]

actually thats pretty normal

[cerulean root]

Lmao

[little osprey]

well i guess it depends on the hardware

what does your current pc have?

[cerulean root]

Laptop

I forget

Its like gtx 960 or something

A 2400 cpu?

4 cores at 2.5 Ghz

1tb

No ssd

[little osprey]

yea you should be fine. 1080p right?

[cerulean root]

5 or so years old

[cerulean root]

I think

It a laptop screen so

16gb ram

I can have like, 3 chrome tabs open

Crazy right?

[little osprey]

seriously? you should be able to handle a lot more

thats really weird

[cerulean root]

Lol im joking

[little osprey]

oh good lol

[cerulean root]

Lmao

[little osprey]

I actually got a laptop recently for my engineering courses

But the GPU fan bearing is already screwed so I have to replace it...

[cerulean root]

Lol

You dont have a real laptop, if the battery dies in 2 mins

Unless

Unless the battery dies in 2 mins

[little osprey]

My laptop battery dies from 100% in about 2 hours lol

[stoic island]

my laptop battery dies from 100% in about 3 minutes

[little osprey]

even with the CPU undervolted and brightness low, and keyboard lights off

[stoic island]

literally

[little osprey]

bruh

[cerulean root]

Real laptop

Also, nice to know someone was juat watching

[little osprey]

two 3090s, two Xeon e5 2697v2s lmao

[cerulean root]

Anyone else watching and not saying anything?

[little osprey]

ten 15k RPM hard drives

[cerulean root]

WTF U USE THAT FOR

[little osprey]

oh i dont use that

[cerulean root]

NASA PC CONFIRMED?

oh

[little osprey]

im making a joke about what's in that laptop LOL

[cerulean root]

Oh

[little osprey]

im actually buying a 1U rack server soon, on saturday from a dude on FB marketplace

[cerulean root]

Nahh, laptops have the premium 4090

[little osprey]

factsss

[cerulean root]

Tf is the 1u rack?

[little osprey]

the server has an e5 2407, 16gb of ram, and 2 10k RPM sas drives

it's a form factor for server systems

[cerulean root]

HA

[little osprey]

1 Unit, Rack form factor

[cerulean root]

Im using the dell optiplex

[vague oracle]

1u is the thinnest rack possible I’m pretty sure

[stoic island]

sas is sad

[cerulean root]

I think

[vague oracle]

2u is most common if I remember correctly

[little osprey]

brooo i had a opitplex before i built my current system

hey guys when a am4 mobo says series 5000 amd cpus ready that means that if i get any compatible cpu i wont have to bios flashback in order for it to support it right?

[vague oracle]

Yep

[stoic island]

yes

[little osprey]

it was a 7010, had an i7 3770 and i upgraded it with a gt 1030, then 1050ti

ight thx

[cerulean root]

Everyone had a optipmex

[little osprey]

ikr

tried and true

[vague oracle]

I never had an optiplex

[cerulean root]

Mine has, a cpu 4 cores 3.1 ghz, i think, 1050 2gb, 16gb ram

[wheat coral]

2407 that’s 6c yeah?

[cerulean root]

This guy dont exist.

[wheat coral]

Ah 4c

[vague oracle]

Well you met him lol

[little osprey]

your opinion is no longer valid

[little osprey]

yea im gonna upgrade that server with two e5 2450v2s

[wheat coral]

My rig was an optiplex

At one point

[cerulean root]

How many fps should this run minecraft?

[little osprey]

depends

[wheat coral]

Depend on the cpu

[little osprey]

core two extreme

[cerulean root]

3.1ghz

[wheat coral]

Not well

[cerulean root]

I think 4 core

[little osprey]

i have a core 2 extreme QX6700

[wheat coral]

Minecraft likes 1 really fast core

[little osprey]

i love the thing

[cerulean root]

How many fps?

[vague oracle]

I had an HP Z400 for like the longest time

[little osprey]

i got it from a system that also had a 2010 Velociraptor drive

and i got ddr2 ECC memory from that system

[vague oracle]

Or was it a Z420

[little osprey]

along with a quadro fx 6300

no it was a 4600

[cerulean root]

Ok, so for a budget what is the absolute best gpu?

[little osprey]

depends lol

[cerulean root]

600 or less

For 1440p

[little osprey]

pretty much nothing is good value right now around that price

[vague oracle]

3070ti

[little osprey]

Id just wait

[vague oracle]

Technically you can get it for $600 at Bestbuy

[cerulean root]

Msrp

[celest horizon]

Hope that's not your daily?

[vague oracle]

Best value would be a 3070 for 1440p

[little osprey]

lmao no, i just have it in a collection

my daily is a 3900X

[cerulean root]

Spoons

[celest horizon]

Lol, good

[vague oracle]

Hey forks

[little osprey]

hey core 2 extremes are still cool though

not literally...

[vague oracle]

How’s it going

[celest horizon]

Do you you hwbot?

[celest horizon]

going well

[vague oracle]

How do the high end Intel Xeons compare to threadrippers these days? Say like a 3990x

[celest horizon]

3990x is a meme on only quad channel

[cerulean root]

64 core

[little osprey]

honestly im only familiar with Xeon from the Westmere to Haswell era

[cerulean root]

Not that cheap ones

[vague oracle]

Wdym?

[celest horizon]

But go look at puget systems, phoronix benchmarks to see, depends on use case

[vague oracle]

Ahh ok thanks

[celest horizon]

64 cores on 4 64 bit memory channels is a bottleneck

[vague oracle]

I haven’t seen much benchmarks about that stuff

[little osprey]

yikes, its only 4 channel?

lmao

intel ditched 3 channel for 4 as soon as sandybridge xeons were a thing

[celest horizon]

To be fair, the 3995wx is 8 channel

[little osprey]

and sandybridge xeons only went to 20 cores i believe

hmm or was it 12

my memory is failing me

[celest horizon]

I think only 8 for E5's, idk about E7 - that's a different beast

Ivy E5's go to 12

I have a few servers with E5 sandy 8c16t chips, good stuff

[little osprey]

ah yea, haswell was up to 24

[celest horizon]

Mcafee branded too

[vague oracle]

So like the board would have to be eight channel to make full use of the cpu?

[little osprey]

ivybridge was 12

sandy, 8

well for the e5s

i wish the E7s didnt need some obscure chipset in very few OEM boards

15 core ivybridge e7s go for like 20 bucks on ebay LOL

[celest horizon]

e7's are a poor choice for almost any use case in 2021

[little osprey]

[little osprey]

how come? you mean because of compatibility?

[celest horizon]

15 core chips are interesting

[little osprey]

yea

[celest horizon]

Mostly power efficiency / total platform cost

[wheat coral]

spensiv and do not go brrr compared to the others

[little osprey]

ah yea, platform cost

thats an obvious one because of how rare those boards are

its crazy

[celest horizon]

You can get a supermicro x10qbi - but it's a lot of $$

[wheat coral]

you could also go aliexpress board route which is what im doing for a home server

cheapish dualsocket board

[little osprey]

aliexpress only has c612 boards

no c612j boards

[celest horizon]

Buddy of mine bought 4x e7 15 core chips + an x10qbi server because the x15, 30, 45 60 hwbot core categories are worth a lot of points, couldn't get it to work

[little osprey]

well c612 and 612j are for haswell and broadwell xeons but you know what i mean

im glad the 2678v3 is back down to 77 bucks, it was around 120 for several months

turbo boost unlock that thing with a decent chinese board like the X99 TF, and you've got a CPU that beats a 2700X handily in lots of workstation settings

[wheat coral]

im probs gonna go for 16xx chips cause overclockiong

i'll do hwbot stuff just for you forks

[little osprey]

yea those can be fun, its too bad they're a bit marked up compared to their 26XX counterparts

[celest horizon]

That's not a good reason but aight

[wheat coral]

oh yeah lol

[wheat coral]

no its not but the 6c chips arent too expensiv tbh

[little osprey]

yea they're not too pricey

[celest horizon]

6c and 12c are competitive categories, won't get many global points

[little osprey]

you looking at v3 xeons?

[celest horizon]

Honestly 15c/30/45/60 are your best bets for cheapo points

[little osprey]

the v2 ones are good too if you're willing to stay a gen older

[wheat coral]

no most likely v2

i only need ivy bridge single core perf

[earnest olive]

4c and 6c are probably some of the most saturated categories

[wheat coral]

could probs go v1 but meh

[little osprey]

here's a good listing i saved. @wheat coral https://www.ebay.com/itm/274562028003?

oh hey, this one's a dollar cheaper https://www.ebay.com/itm/203602821670?epid=1234644838&hash=item2f67ac8226:g:aDQAAOSwENlhPjf9

[little osprey]

nah, dont go to sandybridge

not worht it considering the value of ivy chips

i typically stay away from sandybridge CPUs when putting together X79/c602 systems

sandybridge is pretty much obsolete at this point for practical reasons

OH DANG I HAVE CALC HOMEWORK DUE IN 30 MINUTES

[earnest olive]

lol

good luck

[little osprey]

even if i submit it late, this conversation was worth it 😔

[wheat coral]

lol

[inland parrot]

I just upgraded from the 3600 to the 5600x

[clever eagle]

11400f

[tight sorrel]

wont fit in an am4 socket

[covert vapor]

And costs 280 right now

[flint estuary]

plus can't be overclocked

big deal breaker for me

imo that alone is enough to make the 5600x more worth it than the 11400f

[fossil cedar]

Tbf that's just in the us everywhere else 11400 is good

[fossil cedar]

Overclocking doesn't give you that much extra perf, the ability to oc is definitely not worth 100$

[flint estuary]

wait $100

I thought the 5600x was $50 more

[fossil cedar]

And even on the 5600x you don't want to manually oc you want to fine tune pbo soo

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g94BD3/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-37-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000065box

[fossil cedar]

Yeah 11400 was 189

[flint estuary]

oh last time I checked the price it was $240

[potent portal]

It was on sale then

[fossil cedar]

And is around that price everywhere else, apparently it goes in and out of stock at that price

[flint estuary]

ah alright good to know

[potent portal]

Price history graph shows the lowest price being $267.99 from newegg

[flint estuary]

for the 5600x? i was talking about seeing the 11400f at $240

[potent portal]

And yeah 11400 is insane right now

$293

[fossil cedar]

11400 is just wack in the us atm, it's supposed to be 189

[potent portal]

10400 is around there

[fossil cedar]

11600k is 260 sure

[flint estuary]

yeah i just checked amazon the 11400f is $292 in the us

not sure whats up with that

[covert vapor]

Third-party sellers

[flint estuary]

right

[potent portal]

Here's the issue with 11400f

[flint estuary]

damn and it looked like you could at least get intel cpus without dealing with stock issues :/

[fossil cedar]

11600k is good

[potent portal]

The high end ones sure, but these lower and mid range chips? ehhhh

[covert vapor]

They may have flooded the market with cheaper cpus, but even Intel stock can't keep up

[fossil cedar]

Also 10700 and 10850k are steals rn

[potent portal]

Yeah and 10850k is still a fantastic CPU

[fossil cedar]

It's just the 11400 and 11500 in the hs only, stock everywhere else for it is perfect

[potent portal]

11500 is $341 🤣

[flint estuary]

10850k is just a slightly cut down 10900k right?

[potent portal]

Low bin, so it won't OC as far

Otherwise identical besides the 100MHz difference

[flint estuary]

building a pc for someone rn so thats good to know

[covert vapor]

Well, that is what I meant by flooding the market, they put out a lot of cheaper cpus recently (the 11400 and 11500) into the market (specifically the US, because American boyo) but that stock couldn't keep up

[flint estuary]

certainly no lack of demand for mid range cpus right now

[potent portal]

You could get an 11700 for just a few more dollars than this

You know, if anyone actually wanted the 11700

[flint estuary]

I really just cant see high end intel 11th gen chips as being worth it

[potent portal]

Because they're not

The 11900k is comparable to the 5800X for a huge price gap

[flint estuary]

yeah its pretty stupid

[potent portal]

The only thing the 11900k is good for is the memory controller for enthusiast overclockers

[flint estuary]

I've seen people defending them but they never seem to have very solid reasoning

[fossil cedar]

Or the 11600k for like 260 lol

[potent portal]

Or they try to justify their claim with a single slide from a sketchy benchmark on youtube

[flint estuary]

or god forbid... userbenchmark

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-dont-speak-his-name-gif-12688511

[covert vapor]

CPUPro here to kill us all with insane reviews

[flint estuary]

i still feel like the whole site must be some elaborate joke

[potent portal]

It's so insanely biased it has to be satire

Literally changing the scoring weight to favor intel and nvidia... disgusting

[flint estuary]

was it ever a good source? I know it's been around for a long time, and I've only been building pcs for a couple years

[covert vapor]

Oh? I didn't know they changed the rules to favor Nvidia too

The reviews used to be generally fair from the two 'Pros'

Then they spiraled a couple years ago

[potent portal]

It started off bad, then got to be ok, then was bad again, and now it's... this

[flint estuary]

I used to think it was reliable, but then noticed it ranked the i7 9700k higher than the 5950x and realized I was a moron for ever trusting it

[potent portal]

Yep. It used to weight scores so multi core was favored, so AMD released good multi core processors, so ubm changed the weight to favor single core, and then AMD made good single AND multi core, so ubm changed it to weight more to the MEMORY LATENCY

[flint estuary]

what the hell I never even heard about the memory latency thing

thats just completely inexcusable

[potent portal]

Here's a fun one to check https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-9900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X/4028vs4085

According to them, 9900k has a 3% lead, but now that they include "external data" you can see that's a bold faced lie because the 5800X is better in every set of data

The only thing the 9900k has on it is a 5% lower memory latency

[flint estuary]

oh but the 9900k got 23% higher fps in fortnite!!!!!!1!

[potent portal]

That's user reported data too lmao

[flint estuary]

yep

this site is an embarrassment

this ones pretty funny too

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-9700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X/4030vs4086

[potent portal]

I saw some laptop cpu that was rated over the 5950x at one point

[flint estuary]

it rates the 11900H as only 3% worse than the 5950x

[tight sorrel]

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Intel-Core-i9-11900K/Rating/4110

nothing at all about the CPU. Just a rant about how everyone else likes AMD, then ranks the 11900k 1st.

[flint estuary]

"Despite Intel’s performance lead, AMD continues to outsell Intel."

sure pal

the site author has no idea what theyre talking about

they attribute amd's better sales to marketing alone in that post

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X/Rating/4086

"16 cores are only suitable for professional use cases that have CPU processing needs which cannot be more efficiently met by a GPU or other dedicated hardware."

they just ignore that more and more games are becoming capable of using more cores

[potent portal]

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-10200H-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X/m1303113vs4086

[frank stirrup]

Userbenchmark is a joke that keeps on giving

[flint estuary]

one of the most unintentionally funny websites on the internet

[clever eagle]

i broke the chart

it says infinity

[flint estuary]

scuffed

[potent portal]

Totally accurate. It's so inefficient it actually un-processes data.

[tight sorrel]

what is EFps?

[potent portal]

Effective FPS

[potent portal]

It's total BS and they made it up. It's based on user reported data and you know people NEVER lie or use the wrong settings.

[lyric thistle]

what settings are there to use

is there a config file for the bench

[potent portal]

Here's their explanation https://www.userbenchmark.com/Faq/What-are-effective-frames-per-second-EFps/112

[covert vapor]

Hmm, Phenom 9150e 151% better than Phenom 9500 because lower memory latency. I see

[lyric thistle]

oh efps right

[potent portal]

They literally use a bottleneck calculator 🤣

That's one of the 4 efps factors

[lyric thistle]

I was thinking

you were talking about the bench being bs, made up, and self reporte

lmao

[potent portal]

NO IT DOESN'T

[lyric thistle]

amazing

[clever eagle]

wtf

[potent portal]

It's like the bus accident that caused a train wreck that caused a car to fall in the levee, it just gets worse the longer you look at it

sigh

[tight sorrel]

oh no. can you imagine what my 3700x is doing to my 3070?

[potent portal]

I know right? According to them that's forcing your poor 3070 to perform like a 2060 super

You better fix it and get a 10100 instead

Wait what? Since when is the 9600k better than the 10600k? https://www.userbenchmark.com/EFps/,,10600K,_,,9600K,_Fortnite,2070S,,

[obsidian wigeon]

ubm be like

[potent portal]

Link borked, here's what it said

[obsidian wigeon]

ubm is just intel shill fest

a confused intel shill too

[winged lion]

have you tried comparaasion with a pentium

kekekekek

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ala260/p/N82E16883360174

this woulda been good had not been the poor case choice

3070ti for 2k, nabbad

5600x

1tb ssd

ram is 16 gigs 3200

[potent portal]

Might even be worth transplanting to another case

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah perhaps

it does need cooler swap too

the dinky thermaltake gonna make it run toasty

[potent portal]

Free game too to sweeten the pot

[obsidian wigeon]

tru

i would bite the bullet if i have the money

and transplant case

also new cooler

[potent portal]

$100 will get that in fighting shape, $180 if you want to upgrade memory

[obsidian wigeon]

but they do have much cheaper choices with 3070

3070ti barely performs better anyway

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali521-challenger/p/N82E16883360126R

an open box, but hot damn

[potent portal]

More noticeable than the 3080 ti at least, and you can underclock the memory for more core power budget since it uses 6X, overkill for that chip

[obsidian wigeon]

849 with 1660s

i woldn't pay like 300-400 more just to have 3070ti ngl

1.5-1.6k is the range 3070 machines i like from em

[potent portal]

Yeah fair

[clever eagle]

australia:

[tight sorrel]

Case has bottom intake, so not the worst. Im more worried about the no name PSU

[obsidian wigeon]

they do have decent psu choice most of the times

[tight sorrel]

roger that

[obsidian wigeon]

i don't like the case that much anyway lol

top psu mount, no front intake

[tight sorrel]

Understood. When I first saw it I wondered where the air would come from, but appart from the top PSU mount, it seems reasonably servicable. At least untill one can invest in something better

[fossil cedar]

3070 ti pc for 2k :/

[tight sorrel]

is it not?

[fossil cedar]

1.6kish is like the price of a 3070 1.4k for a 3060 ti

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali559/p/N82E16883360189?itemPosition=1-12&exactIndex=0

[obsidian wigeon]

tru

[fossil cedar]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali486-gladiator/p/N82E16883360081R?itemPosition=1-12&exactIndex=5 granted this is open box but their 3070 stock has dipped lol

[tight sorrel]

I thought he meant 2k gaming . DOH!

[fossil cedar]

Ohh

When ppl call 1440p 2k it irks me

Idk if that's the right word but yeah

[winged lion]

it is

ok but what is 1440p

1080p=2k

[tight sorrel]

2560 x 1440 piixel screen

[winged lion]

2160=4k

[tight sorrel]

negative

[winged lion]

no i mean number

[fossil cedar]

1080p is actually closer to 2k

1920x1080

[winged lion]

i know

but what id 1440p then

is it

2.5k

[tight sorrel]

o I see what you mean. apologies

[obsidian wigeon]

it's just a term every monitor brand uses these days

so 2k is 1440p according to em

[inland parrot]

Hey what is a a good key board my budget is $40-100 but I am mostly aiming for around 50-60 bucks

[obsidian wigeon]

do you need wireless?

keychron has lots of choices

wired and wireless

[inland parrot]

I want wired

I found these at walmart

The game onn was $44 and its a mechanical keyboard

[clever eagle]

meanwhile my friend buys a $72 membrane keyboard with 5 lighting zones

[vague maple]

Does anyone know of a good laptop for general productivity, editing PDFs, Word, research online? 12-15 inches and ig the focus is RAM and SSD space, preferably with a 6 core CPU and a good quality keyboard

The budgets a 1000 dollars

@ me if you have any suggestions

[clever eagle]

maybe a lenovo legion

[obsidian wigeon]

lenovo legion isn't needed for that

[clever eagle]

right
productivity

[obsidian wigeon]

something like dell xps, lenovo ideapad slim 7 or something

hp envy

[clever eagle]

i remember seeing one like that with a good keykoard and little deck flex with a 3050 ti
for 1070 usd tho

[obsidian wigeon]

i think there's acer aspire x

no, i meant, uhh

swift x

[vague maple]

Im currently choosing the envy x360 13 rn

Any better options?

[obsidian wigeon]

I don't really see any other myself

[tawny violet]

Been like that for a while
They just refuse to admit AMD is competitive

[obsidian wigeon]

Yeah lol

ubm is a joke

[tawny violet]

Bad one at that

You're better off just watching benchmark videos

Chances are you'll find a video with your CPU+GPU combo

Which is likely gonna be close to realistic

[obsidian wigeon]

Passmark is better to judge tbh

Or reviews

[stoic island]

Passmark a bit amd biased, keep that in mind

[stoic island]

keychron c2

hotswap w gat browns if possible

[little osprey]

U could go for ROYAL KLUDGE RK84 80% wireless red key

[stoic island]

Womier k87 another option

[cerulean root]

ok, so.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ScroppyIsDead/saved/#view=KdhbLk
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ScroppyIsDead/saved/#view=zNmwgs

i believe the amd build is better, but by how much

(if it is)

[stoic island]

Ehhh

Both can be improved

[cerulean root]

any suggustions?

1200 budget

[fossil cedar]

Do you already have a 500$ 3060 ti cuz that's a hard ask?

[cerulean root]

lol nope ima wait for the gpu to die down

also a regular 3060 is good for 1440p?

[fossil cedar]

You'll be waiting a bit

It can do it but it will struggle a bit

[cerulean root]

i pllay games like gta and minecraft...

[fossil cedar]

Ohh then lol

[cerulean root]

occasinnally ill play something newer like subnatica

[fossil cedar]

Yeah should do fine

Wouldn't pay more than 450 for a 3060/6600xt tho

And unless you wanna stream aim for 6600xt over 3060

[cerulean root]

ye

so i has question, 1080 ti = 2070 super?

or was it 2080 super

[fossil cedar]

1080 ti is about 2070 super ish

2070 non super about 3060 level

[cerulean root]

so the 2070 super is 500 msrp

and the 3060 is 400?

and 3060 has newer features?

[fossil cedar]

Ignore msrp

3060 and 2070 super have the same features

3060 has slightly better ray tracing

[cerulean root]

what about 1080 ti? how much would i be looking at? to pay?

[fossil cedar]

@cerulean root https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x6F2Xb I'd do something like this

Idk tbh

Don't keep up with the used market a huge amount

[cerulean root]

are used good?

like where should i look to get a 3060/3060 ti

[fossil cedar]

You take what you can get

3060 ti optimal but gl getting that for 450

Then next in line rx 6600xt

Then 3060

[cerulean root]

hmm

if i were going to spend 500 on a 3060, if i NEEDED one or something, where should i try and buy one

[fossil cedar]

There's a buying guide in #graphics-cards

In the pins

[cerulean root]

ok i seen the newegg shuffle

what are the chances i get what i want?

[frank stirrup]

there are chances

[cerulean root]

if i started now for a 3060 about how long would it take for me to win?

also how good are the dual fan 3060s?

[fossil cedar]

1/how many ppl entered that day for that item

[fossil cedar]

They're fine

But don't really focus on the model that much

[cerulean root]

why are there 2 and 3 fans, just better cooling?

[frank stirrup]

depends on ur luck

[fossil cedar]

Ye

[cerulean root]

lol

[fossil cedar]

1 fans are dumm

2 fans aight

3 fans needed for the higher end cards

[cerulean root]

3060?

is 550W good enough for a 3060?

nvm it would be plenty

[fossil cedar]

550w is the bare minimum I'd use for a 3060

[frank stirrup]

I wouldnt

600w is what I would go

[fossil cedar]

An aight 550w will do tbh

As long as it ain't paired with like a 11900k

[frank stirrup]

will do +50W is minimum imo

little itty bitty OC headroom too

[fossil cedar]

Bare minimum is not my recommendation lol

Picked the 750w cuz like a dollar more than 650w

[frank stirrup]

Nah im not saying it is

[frank stirrup]

my will do value is what nvidia say +50w

[fossil cedar]

3060 recommended is 600w so that's plenty

[fossil cedar]

Nah fine unless power hungry cpu, Nvidia kinda overspec a bit

[frank stirrup]

yeah 600w seems about right

[frank stirrup]

Hmm interesting

[fossil cedar]

Except the 3080 plus ones are a bit dumm

[frank stirrup]

Im dumm

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/blackpink-jisoo-wave-kiss-smile-gif-20086330

[indigo forum]

Shouls i go for this ram with crosshire VIII?

Need ram advise

?

[frank stirrup]

what you got rn

[indigo forum]

4 sold ones

3200 vengence pro cl 16

8x4

[winged lion]

lol you could run it on 450 np

unless its with a threadripper or 10900k or something lol

[earnest olive]

ehhh

you can overload a 450w unit with a 3060 + i5-11400 without much effort

[winged lion]

with unlocking powrt limits?

[earnest olive]

would recommend going 550+, should be enough to cover any CPU that makes sense to put with the 3060

well yeah

[winged lion]

tdp is 170

[winged lion]

most people dont do that