building-and-recc-chat

[marble flume]

Intel i7 10th gen

[little osprey]

which one u had

[frank stirrup]

Model

[earnest olive]

...how

[frank stirrup]

11700k?

[marble flume]

10700kf

[earnest olive]

rip, no igpu

[hybrid briar]

11700k

[frank stirrup]

Ouch

[little osprey]

damn

that sucks

[stoic island]

CPU sparks

Those are new

[earnest olive]

you tried single stick of ram already right?

[frank stirrup]

Just what did you do lmao

[stoic island]

Should just do single stick of ram in slot 2 and clear cmos and then boot

[earnest olive]

did you spell gamer sweat into your cpu socket while building or what

[stoic island]

Might as well

[hybrid briar]

no clue. it froze up so i was like "eh, just restart it." it came back on and immedietley shut off. after a couple seconds it just popped, sparked, and starting smoking

[earnest olive]

ngl i dripped sweat on a mobo once

cleaned it off no damage

[flint sapphire]

He did, the chats in #old-monitors-and-tv

[little osprey]

rip

[earnest olive]

...are you sure it was the cpu?

could have been mobo

[hybrid briar]

whole cpu chip is a crisp

[earnest olive]

cpu is one of the least likely parts to suffer a catastrophic failure

[still roost]

[Nobody]#8891 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[earnest olive]

still, mobo could have cooked it

[little osprey]

any pic

[hybrid briar]

true true

[marble flume]

So am I just screwed

[earnest olive]

i'd replace both mobo and cpu

[hybrid briar]

nah its all smoldered and black

yeah

thats what im thinking

[stoic island]

@marble flume no, do more debugging

[earnest olive]

mobo is one of the easiest parts to fail

[stoic island]

Clear CMOS for you

[hybrid briar]

i got another dude coming out to check it out too

give it another view

[marble flume]

What does that mean@stoic island

[earnest olive]

but most importantly

plug your gpu into a known good rig and check if it's still alive

gpu dying in 2021 =

[hybrid briar]

i havent checked that yet, rip

[frank stirrup]

Could we get some pics of the mobo and the cpu Forestry

[stoic island]

Battery method best method
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[earnest olive]

if your mobo had a power surge, the integrity of all of your parts are unknown until tested

[hybrid briar]

i stg it took me 9 months to get a 3070 ti for a good deal

[earnest olive]

good luck sir

you have my prayers

[hybrid briar]

thank you friend i need them

[frank stirrup]

Please use a ups in the future as well

Really helps with surges

[hybrid briar]

oh yeah for sure

[frank stirrup]

@hybrid briar

[hybrid briar]

not home currently, but when i get a pic ill try to dm you

[little osprey]

didnt he say his cpu was literal charcoal lol

[hybrid briar]

yes

just about

[earnest olive]

surge protector should be enough unless you live somewhere with frequent thunderstorms and/or low quality power grid

[frank stirrup]

Pog

[hybrid briar]

i dont have the cpu tho its in the trash lol

had no use in keeping it

[earnest olive]

UPS is good if the latter two apply to you

[hybrid briar]

ill send mobo tho, it looks fine tbh last i checked but

[earnest olive]

nah fish it out

might be able to get your money back if you show what happened

[hybrid briar]

good point

[earnest olive]

AND also it's a cool pic

post it for some reddit karma

[little osprey]

was the socket black aswell or just the cpu

[frank stirrup]

Also gives you some battery backup incase the lights go out… you can save what ur doing and shut down instead of losing it all

[hybrid briar]

i hope no one took the trash out at my place lol

[still roost]

Forestry#6969 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hybrid briar]

what

i said fried

anyway

[earnest olive]

no i saw logs lol

[frank stirrup]

MEE6 is dum

[earnest olive]

fried was not what tripped the bot

[hybrid briar]

what did i say

[little osprey]

wut

[frank stirrup]

Autocorrect to other f word?

[earnest olive]

the first word was excrement

[marble flume]

@stoic island should I do battery method or jumper? Are both as effective?

[frank stirrup]

Lmfaooo

[earnest olive]

it happens

when i was new i tripped the profanity warning so many times

[frank stirrup]

Battery

[earnest olive]

until i got used to it

[frank stirrup]

I have been kicked once

[hybrid briar]

but anyway everything is black but the cpu was

like charcoal

[earnest olive]

the warnings don't actually do anything unless you do it way too often

like 10 times in 2 hours?

[frank stirrup]

Thats mobo

[marble flume]

@frank stirrup should I put the ssd back in then?

[little osprey]

oh '

[frank stirrup]

I did it 5 times in a aweek and got kik

[earnest olive]

no

[frank stirrup]

Nah

[earnest olive]

just eliminate all variables

boot with the minimum possible

only the things actually needed to boot

that's why i told you to remove all usb besides keyboard as well

variables

[hybrid briar]

alr boys, gonna hit the rack. night

[frank stirrup]

My latest trip of the swear word was completely for laughs tho lmao

[earnest olive]

good night, good luck

[hybrid briar]

ty i need it

[frank stirrup]

Good luck mate

Mate

I hate small phone keeb

Grrrr

[little osprey]

one of my close friends bought a razer mouse (this was long ago) and at the time of connecting it up to his PC, it literally would not boot

[earnest olive]

most people would be surprised at what can prevent a boot

[little osprey]

yeah

i actually didnt even know that storage devices could prevent boots

until u guys mentioned it

[frank stirrup]

cold boot moment

[frank stirrup]

literally anything connected to the pc can cause no boot

like any part

[little osprey]

i swear i learn somethin new everyday bcause of this server

lol

[frank stirrup]

it can be a faulty wire, gpu, ssd, ram, mobo, external device, bad hdmi or display cable

literally anything can cause ur pc to not boot

[little osprey]

noted

[frank stirrup]

heck it can be ur pc case thats touching the mobo and shorting omething out

[little osprey]

off-topic: ive contacted nzxt customer support like 2 days ago and still havent gotten any response from them like tf

[frank stirrup]

nzxt bad

[wispy matrix]

nzxt is bad

[little osprey]

reason is because i wanted to ask them why they changed the pinouts / shapes on their 4+4 EPS connector

[flint sapphire]

@analog pulsar

[wispy matrix]

why tag kenzie

[flint sapphire]

[little osprey]

looks like he loves nzxt

[frank stirrup]

kenzie = nzxt simp

[wispy matrix]

ik this

[wispy matrix]

she*

[frank stirrup]

kenzie is a dude

lol

[wispy matrix]

...

[little osprey]

u confused me i was like no.. hes a guy

[frank stirrup]

?

[wispy matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/soulja-boy-stand-up-walk-out-walk-away-gif-15214350

[analog pulsar]

im here

[frank stirrup]

oh no

[flint sapphire]

Ppl are bad mouthing nzxt

[little osprey]

no.

[wispy matrix]

ik i am

[analog pulsar]

[frank stirrup]

its not bad mouthing if its true

[little osprey]

i wanted to ask them why they changed the pinouts / shapes on their 4+4 EPS connector cause i bought a C650

@analog pulsar

[analog pulsar]

I’m not 100% know power supply’s

But

[little osprey]

do u want a pic ?

[analog pulsar]

you could contack nzxt

[little osprey]

u see

[analog pulsar]

sure send a pic so i can see what yout saying

[little osprey]

i did 2 days ago and they havent responded

[analog pulsar]

hm

[wispy matrix]

there is the nzxt discord 🤢

[analog pulsar]

if you not gunna be helpful you can go

we dont need your "oh nzxt is bad crap"

[little osprey]

this

[marble flume]

@frank stirrup I clear the cmos and I'm still getting the boot led

[flint sapphire]

[analog pulsar]

@little osprey would you like an invite to there server to get help with the power supply

[little osprey]

oh wait

hold up

my bad that was the psu end

[analog pulsar]

im not 100% sure about there power supplys

[little osprey]

lemme send the cpu side

this one is the correct one

[marble flume]

@flint sapphire any other ideas

[analog pulsar]

what about it

[little osprey]

normally every eps connector should be exactly like this but for some reason nzxt decided not to do

[analog pulsar]

@little osprey

[little osprey]

yes

[flint sapphire]

Sprout is much more knowledgeable then me. I got nothing @marble flume

[analog pulsar]

@little osprey thats normal

they are both the same

the pic just has them connected

[little osprey]

even if the shapes change

?

[analog pulsar]

i doint see a shape change

[marble flume]

@earnest olive I cleared the cmos and still get nothing but the boot led

[flint sapphire]

Like they were saying it could be a faulty motherboard or gpu

[frank stirrup]

its not crap if its true

[earnest olive]

seems that you just have a defective part then

[flint sapphire]

Or something

[marble flume]

Ok but what part is defective

[analog pulsar]

I dont care its not helpful for the convo

[earnest olive]

now for the least fun part of pc building

you have to figure out what part is defective

[frank stirrup]

no way of knowing unless you have another pc

[earnest olive]

do you have any friends with PC parts you could borrow?

[flint sapphire]

He’s got no spare parts

[marble flume]

I've got a new ssd card but that's the only spare part I have

[cursive tusk]

The last 4 pin one has rounded edges, there should be at least 2 square shapes

[frank stirrup]

TIME TO RMA THINGS 1 BY 1!

[frank stirrup]

Its NOT an ssd card.

its JUST SSD

the thing ur thinking of is an sd card

[flint sapphire]

Or *NVMe ssd

[analog pulsar]

@little osprey wait are ytou saying your cpu pins dont look the same

[marble flume]

Ok

[little osprey]

pretty much

[analog pulsar]

ah could you send a pic in dms

[little osprey]

sure thing

[earnest olive]

I just noticed the mobo I'm working on has a PCI slot

[desert gulch]

the z170?

[earnest olive]

yeah

[desert gulch]

super cool lol

[marble flume]

Is there any way to troubleshoot parts without replacing them

[desert gulch]

test one by one

[marble flume]

How so

[desert gulch]

pcie gen 5 right?

[earnest olive]

[desert gulch]

get a working pc and throw a part in 1 by one until it no workey

[marble flume]

Ok

[earnest olive]

yeah PCI definitely runs at PCIe 5.0 speeds

[desert gulch]

or try basic things like 1 stick of ram and stuff in current pc

[earnest olive]

[desert gulch]

yes

[flint sapphire]

Or throw working parts at the not working pc 1 by1 till it works

[earnest olive]

we've done all of the troubleshooting

[desert gulch]

sad

[flint sapphire]

[desert gulch]

so they need basically friends pc?

[frank stirrup]

I would start with the mobo / gpu

rma wise

[earnest olive]

yeah pretty much

they need to borrow a working pc

[flint sapphire]

Def start with the mobo though

[frank stirrup]

because cpu is most likely good since fans spin

@earnest olive the last time my pc did fans spin but no boot, pcie kept defaulting to gen 4 and my GPU DID NOT like that lmao

putting it in the other pcie slot fixed my problem

[earnest olive]

smh

your rx 570 is trash if you can't oc its pcie gen to at least 8.0

[little osprey]

wait but rawr doesnt changing ur gpu to another pcie slot aside from the first one equate to lower bandwith>?

[earnest olive]

better than not booting

you can just set the top slot to gen 3 manually

and then switch back

[little osprey]

ok okay

[earnest olive]

but you need to be able to get into bios to do that

[frank stirrup]

yes but I only put it there long enough to force gen 3 on the 16x slot

[little osprey]

oh

got ya

i hope i can get a gpu before mid 2022

[dark root]

Anyone able to help me out with a build problem I’m having?

[little osprey]

uh sure

not as knowledgable as rawr or sprout but yeah

[frank stirrup]

not unless you can tell us what the problem is

[dark root]

I just got a new CPU and motherboard. Rison seven 5800 X and an MSI b 550 gaming plus. Got the bios update flashed to the motherboard and when I go to boot it the computer does not get past the boot debug led. I have tried with no drives installed as well as with my boot drive plugged in to the motherboard however, neither of those worked

[little osprey]

@frank stirrup

[frank stirrup]

Hmm

ram in slots 2 and 4?

did you flash the correct bios

did it go through properly?

[little osprey]

only thing i can do to help is that i know that you need to rename your bios update file to a .bin file i think and thats about it

[frank stirrup]

bin is the file type

not name

[little osprey]

true

[earnest olive]

are you sure the bios flash was successful

try flashing it again I believe the file name needs to be MSI.ROM

[frank stirrup]

fat 32 pendrive

[earnest olive]

yep

[frank stirrup]

fat32 mbr

[earnest olive]

and it needs to be the specific USB port labelled for bios flash

[frank stirrup]

ive had a few experiences where fat32 gpt didnt work

sippy you got this?

[dark root]

I went through all that. Did it multiple times and this was the only one where it got past the cpu debug led

[earnest olive]

idk I have a headache

[frank stirrup]

ouch go sleep

[earnest olive]

I'm almost done with the ram oc

[frank stirrup]

SLEEP

[earnest olive]

testing RTLs/IOLs now

[frank stirrup]

ram oc waits till tomorrow

bad sippy

[frank stirrup]

intel system?

[earnest olive]

ye

[frank stirrup]

makes sens

[little osprey]

damn thats some way too advanced shi for me, i only know of frequency and cl timing lol

[earnest olive]

RTLs/IOLs are intel only

I'm kind of going idiot mode on this ram oc

[frank stirrup]

exactly y i asked

[earnest olive]

but so far it's working

[frank stirrup]

I always go idiot mode

[earnest olive]

tightening multiple timings at once in an attempt to save time

so far it has backfired once

but been an overall time save

i did most of my terts at once

[frank stirrup]

Ignor the timings i havent had time to do most timings again

[frank stirrup]

die?

[earnest olive]

hynix cjr, probably low bin

this was the extremely cheap 3000 16-20-20-38 kit

[little osprey]

wtf is that

[frank stirrup]

all ram related values

[little osprey]

man

[earnest olive]

just seeing the 20s in the xmp profile my expectations were immediately low

[frank stirrup]

ouch

[earnest olive]

but hey

$60 for a nice rgb kit

[frank stirrup]

what frequency u running?

[earnest olive]

it's not so bad

i suspect board is a limiting factor for the frequency

3333 is the highest i can post at any timings

however i wasn't able to get 3333 stable at c15 so i decided to go 3200c15

[little osprey]

u overclocking? i just realized

[earnest olive]

...yes

[little osprey]

my bad

[earnest olive]

it's a low end z170 board so trace quality is probably not the best

z170 was the first gen to support ddr4 at all

this performance is already quite good

for such a budget system

last time i checked aida latency was 43ns

[little osprey]

how much was mobo

[earnest olive]

uhh

hard to put a price on it

got the full rig for $60

[little osprey]

woww

[frank stirrup]

not too bad

[earnest olive]

43ns is respectable

[frank stirrup]

its an asrock z170 board

[earnest olive]

it's asus

[frank stirrup]

oh?

thought asrock timing worked only on asrock boards

[earnest olive]

asrock timing configurator is just the default software to view ram timings for all intel

nope

works on my msi laptop

[frank stirrup]

Ahh my bad

[earnest olive]

works on msi z490

works on asus z170

asrock z370

[frank stirrup]

pog

tfw asrock makes a good product

[earnest olive]

it's like msi afterburner working with pretty much all graphics cards

also man why do you hate asrock so much

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0876HBFVC/ hey is this mobo good for a i5-10600K

is for one of my builds

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah asrock is not bad lel

[earnest olive]

ehh it's a bit overpriced

can get away with a z490-a pro easily

but if you like the features of that board sure

[little osprey]

ok okay reason i was asking is i want a good price

[frank stirrup]

I dont really

its a meme

amd asrock boards pretty nais

and older intel boards

[earnest olive]

did you know

[little osprey]

this board was actually 169 like a week ago

[earnest olive]

asrock was the only manufacturer pushing for zen 3 on x370 mobos and actually got it working until they received a cease and desist from AMD

[little osprey]

why

[earnest olive]

to this day, some x370 boards are flashable to an asrock b450 bios that supports zen 3

so put some respect on asrock smh

[obsidian wigeon]

amd salty about it lmao

like why stop em

[frank stirrup]

Why did amd hit em with a cease and desist tho?

[obsidian wigeon]

asrock has always been known to do wacky stuff

[earnest olive]

cause amd want money bro

[obsidian wigeon]

well, cause amd didn't want that

ye

[frank stirrup]

makes sense

[earnest olive]

asrock wanted to support their x370 boards to the end of the socket

amd said no

make them buy new chipset

[obsidian wigeon]

asrock is too cool for amd

[earnest olive]

asrock was also the primary vendor working to enable 8th and 9th gen compatibility on Z170/Z270

on the bios side

until they were told to stop

[obsidian wigeon]

money™

[little osprey]

o i was looking at some rog boards on amazon for my 10600k why are they so overpriced?

[obsidian wigeon]

it feels like asrock actually cares about their users

[desert gulch]

because rog

rog is all about rgb and looks for the most part

[little osprey]

ik but they used to be cheaper last year hm

[frank stirrup]

asrock software support is

[obsidian wigeon]

yee

[flint sapphire]

Wanted a asrock x570 taichi brother got me a x570 msi carbon pro bs

[little osprey]

any recommendations for motherboards for lga1200 under 200usd

[obsidian wigeon]

for which cpu tho

[little osprey]

10600K

[obsidian wigeon]

what sips suggested before should be more than enough

msi z490 a-pro, i think

[little osprey]

lemme take a look

[earnest olive]

anyways i think this is fair market value for the components of this build

thoughts?

[obsidian wigeon]

seems fair enough

[earnest olive]

7700K is delidded and ram is oc to 3200c15

[little osprey]

how the hel is the msi z590 a pro cheaper than the 490

[earnest olive]

stock

z490 no longer produced

[obsidian wigeon]

i guess get the z590

[earnest olive]

z590 is fine if it's good price

[little osprey]

i guess

[obsidian wigeon]

still works with the cpu

[little osprey]

its 162

usd

[earnest olive]

yeah thats good

i had a great time ocing 10700K on z490-a pro

solid boards

the vrms are good enough

[little osprey]

alr guys well i appreciate ur help but ima hit the hay gn

[earnest olive]

https://hwbot.org/submission/4710415_sips_bleach_seductively_cpu_frequency_core_i7_10700k_5502.7_mhz

anyone smell burning?

gn

[little osprey]

before i go i would like to say that i would like to cool a cpu with liquid nitrogen

alr gn

[dark root]

I’m trying to reflash to the first compatible bios and see what happens

[wispy walrus]

Can anyone help me find a Ryzen 5 5600x Rtx 3060

that is under 2k

[frank stirrup]

prebuilt?

@wispy walrus

[wispy walrus]

yeah

[sharp pelican]

This is a good psu right? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08PDZQZN2/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glc_fabc_48PFF1GPT099T4XAD74R

[desert gulch]

yeah

[frank stirrup]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali554/p/N82E16883360184?Item=N82E16883360184&Description=abs gaming desktop&cm_re=abs_gaming desktop-_-83-360-184-_-Product

[wispy walrus]

so is that cpu better that a ryzen 7 3700x?

[earnest olive]

much better

intel 11th gen compares closely to 5000 series counterparts up to the 11700K <> 5800X

above that intel stops being able to compete

[wispy walrus]

ahhh

got it

[earnest olive]

but for your needs intel is fine

[desert gulch]

not for long 😏

its rumored intels 12600k will beat a 5800x in literally everything, even multicore, for like $270

[flint sapphire]

Rumor mill go!

[desert gulch]

yes

[frank stirrup]

PROBABLY not for long

[flint sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/gossip-girl-gossip-whispering-whispers-surprised-gif-13242629

[desert gulch]

hopefully

[earnest olive]

I mean then you're comparing across gens

which is not fair

[desert gulch]

its amd's choice to release new generations of products every 2 years

while intel does it every year

its pretty fair still imo

[frank stirrup]

amd stacked cache could be big

lets see

[earnest olive]

what?

[desert gulch]

its not like youll be able to buy a 6800x when alder lake is out

or a 6600x

[frank stirrup]

their xt refresh could be big

more cpu cache

[earnest olive]

2017: kaby lake, zen 1
2018: coffee lake, zen+
2019: coffee lake r, zen 2
2020: comet lake, zen 3
2021: rocket lake, possibly zen 3 vcache?
2022: alder lake, zen 3 vcache and zen 4

what am I missing here

[desert gulch]

wait is amd 6k series coming out q4 2021/q1 2022?

[earnest olive]

we don't know

[desert gulch]

hmm

[flint sapphire]

Hmm some interesting Lisa su gifs

[earnest olive]

that's like saying radeon is garbage because 3080 came out when they only had 5700xt

[flint sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/lisa-su-amd-ryzen9-zen2-ryzen-power-gif-14477035

[earnest olive]

people compare 3080 to 6800xt, not 5700xt

[desert gulch]

ig we will have to wait then

[earnest olive]

i expect alder lake to be a great product

[desert gulch]

and if 6k series doenst come out i will simp for alder lake

[earnest olive]

but saying they have reached parity with or defeated amd can only be seen once there is an actual same gen comparison

vcache is practically a new gen worth of performance

[desert gulch]

yeah

[earnest olive]

and that's only meant to be a refresh

[desert gulch]

we know cache does great things

like we can really see what happened when amd gimped cache on 5k "G" series lol

[earnest olive]

where the pins going

[flint sapphire]

Some large pores

[earnest olive]

🤢

i did not need to hear that

[coarse cove]

Hello, does this part list look acceptable, or is there anything I should change?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/8F4Qmk

[frank stirrup]

budget?

3060ti is INSANELY overpriced

ebay has them for cheaper

[coarse cove]

left column is what I've already bought, right column is what I haven't bought yet

[frank stirrup]

bad value cpu

[coarse cove]

what would be better choices?

[frank stirrup]

buy a 11400

[coarse cove]

I wanted a 3070, but it'll be hard to get

[frank stirrup]

and a b560 board

also dont buy that 3060ti

its way too overpriced

case looks overpriced as well

[coarse cove]

yea, that's a standin gpu

not the actual one i'm getting just an example

in aud btw

[frank stirrup]

I am aware

145 usd for that crappy case is 145 usd too much tbh

[coarse cove]

so, why the 11400 over a 3600?

ah yea, I made the mistake of buying the case before everything else

but, I've got it so

[frank stirrup]

more perf less cost

[coarse cove]

i don't know as much about intel as amd's marketing system but i'll look into it

what motherboard would you recommend with it?

any particular model of b560?

thinking around roughly 200 aud, can go a bit higher on the motherboard

[frank stirrup]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/WH2WGX/asus-tuf-gaming-b560-plus-wifi-atx-lga1200-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b560-plus-wifi

very solid board

[coarse cove]

that looks good!

[blissful dirge]

anyone here that can put together some specs for me seperatly

[coarse cove]

I'll buy that instead then haha, looks like a bargain

I started looking into a pc about 6 months ago, so I haven't kept up with all the latest haha

[little osprey]

you mean...make a list for a pc build?

[blissful dirge]

@little osprey yes

[little osprey]

sure
currency?

[blissful dirge]

AUD

budget: 1.6k

and i want a i7-10700kf, 1660ti and 16gb cl16 3600mhz ram in it

pls make it on a website in australia like: mwave, newegg, scorptec and etc

[little osprey]

i am using PCPP

aka pc part picker

[scenic turret]

PCPP will utalize those Australian websites

[frank stirrup]

yeh zin make one so I can edit it and dont have to start from scratch

MWAHAHAHA

[scenic turret]

^

[little osprey]

you can add a PSU on it because i am kinda clueless on PSUs

[blissful dirge]

ok

can u pls do it on like mwave it wud me much easier for me @little osprey

[little osprey]

but PCPP will list the price on most of those websites

like newegg and so on

[blissful dirge]

oh ok

[little osprey]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/cNYC7X
here is the list
well it went over the budget but it was mostly due to CPU & GPU

[blissful dirge]

oh ok

thx anywya

[little osprey]

you could save up on mobo though

[scenic turret]

PSU could be lower to 650

Even lower

[little osprey]

also ye
i just went with 750 to be safe

[blissful dirge]

@little osprey is there any other motherboard that is less expensive

[scenic turret]

Could go MATX

[blissful dirge]

@scenic turret can u link me it

[little osprey]

there is
but that mobo i put in is with overclock in mind

[frank stirrup]

what was the budget

[blissful dirge]

1.6k AUD

@little osprey sorry what does that mean

[little osprey]

that z490 is like a decent board for overclocking your chip

[frank stirrup]

I hate everything about this

[little osprey]

that is why it is there
you can awlays go with the b440

[little osprey]

thanks

[scenic turret]

Rawr wanna take a shot

[blissful dirge]

@frank stirrup what wud u change

have a shot at it

1.6k AUD budget

[little osprey]

tbh, i am just returned to pc stuff and i am sorta rusty

very rusty

[blissful dirge]

ye all g

[scenic turret]

Also why a i7 10700kf

[little osprey]

he wanted a 10700kf

[scenic turret]

Yep ik

That

10600k matches 1660ti better

[frank stirrup]

why is there no pc case

[scenic turret]

10700kf is completely unnecessary imo

[little osprey]

there isn't one?
bruh
i am stupid

[dense sparrow]

What’s the best 1440p monitor? Ping me

[frank stirrup]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/KJpYvf

[scenic turret]

I'm going to try the i7 and see lol

Rawr's build is sensible

[blissful dirge]

i realy want the i7-10700kf tho

[frank stirrup]

why

[blissful dirge]

put the storage down to 500gb m.2

i dont have that many games

[little osprey]

now thats way better

[little osprey]

are you overclocking?

if not, you can go with cheaper options

[blissful dirge]

i dont know what overclocking is tbh

[frank stirrup]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/xfVQmk

[little osprey]

also imo i would go with rawr list
it is pretty decent for gaming and it will hold somewhat alright for long term

[blissful dirge]

someone tell me what overclocked cpu is

and what overclocking in general is

[frank stirrup]

google my dood

[scenic turret]

Yea nope going over budget with i7 lol

[little osprey]

basically: going beyond what the chip is capable

like super basic explanation

[blissful dirge]

wud that give me beter performance and fps?

[little osprey]

yes

well...

no

depends on the game

[blissful dirge]

fortnite?

[frank stirrup]

it is still capable of it

[little osprey]

depends on the game and the chip usually
you might get minimal gains or medium gains

[scenic turret]

Fortnite cpu intensive

[little osprey]

ya
just like going beyond from the factory clock limit

[scenic turret]

iirc

[frank stirrup]

not exactly but close enuff

[blissful dirge]

what do u think about this:

[scenic turret]

But again not many people know how to correct overclock. I wouldn't mess with it if you're not sure

[frank stirrup]

i think what we say doesnt matter to you and you want us to tell you that what you are doing is right and that isnt gonna happen.

[blissful dirge]

my m8 sent me these specs jeez

[scenic turret]

Minimal $1800 for those specs in this current market

[little osprey]

i am just sleepy so i can't get better term for it

[frank stirrup]

garbage cooler for tthe cpu

[scenic turret]

Ikr lol^

[covert vapor]

Why are you so insistent on the 10700kf? You'll get over 200fps in something like Fortnite with a 11400

[scenic turret]

Rather go Noctua or Scythe

[frank stirrup]

like abolute crap cooler

[blissful dirge]

what budget cooler then

[frank stirrup]

ugh i give up

do what u want

[little osprey]

oof

[frank stirrup]

buy what you want

[frank stirrup]

that is what I recommend tho

[scenic turret]

Also I would wait if you really want the 10700kf. Going to be two generations older soon and will be on sale later this year after Intel releases 12th gen

[blissful dirge]

im probs gonna wait for the christmas sales

im praying it wud go dow to alt least 1.6k

[little osprey]

why do you want the 10700kf so much tho?

[blissful dirge]

guarenteed performance

[little osprey]

what?

[scenic turret]

Not really tbh

[blissful dirge]

i have a mate that has these specs and i like his fps

[covert vapor]

So? 11400 gud for the same stuff at virtually identical framerates

[little osprey]

and? 11400 can achieve that aswell

and also begin cheaper aswell

[blissful dirge]

ye ok i will go for the 11400 if the prices dont go down by christmas

[little osprey]

i'm a computer idiot trying to learn and build my next computer. how important is it to worry about cas latency in ram?

[frank stirrup]

depends

amd or intel?

[little osprey]

amd

[frank stirrup]

what cpu

[little osprey]

5900x

[frank stirrup]

3600c16 best place to be

price to perf

[little osprey]

why not go faster?

[frank stirrup]

3800 is the fastest I would go

no guarantee of the cpu running anything higher than that

[little osprey]

even the 5900x, which is pretty much on top of cpus?

[frank stirrup]

see the way ryzen works is the flck clock is tied to ram

so if you get 3800mts ram, flck is gonna run at 1900mhz

and flck is what the cpu uses to talk between cores basically

but flck has trouble going over 1900 on ryzen cpus

so if you get faster ram, this flck value might drop to half of ur ram mhz

so you might end up with 4000mts ram which is faster

but flck drops to 1000 which is way way worse than 3800mts ram

its just how ryzen is designed.

[little osprey]

thanks for the info! been working hard researching parts

[frank stirrup]

so yeah 3800c14 ram best for amd

[little osprey]

my little caveman head has learned so much about computers in the past couple weeks

[frank stirrup]

dont cross 3800 ram

[frank stirrup]

I know how it is lol

[little osprey]

i dropped out of so many computer classes

but now i'm actually learning

[frank stirrup]

yeh im persuing my comp sci degree rn

[little osprey]

i was gonna get a new computer, but my friend convinced me to just upgrade what i have until i get a gpu

waited 3 hours at best buy yesterday only to be 10 people short of getting a voucher

the problem with my current computer is my ram is too slow, and my cpu can't handle a motherboard that can handle faster ram

so i guess i'm just building my computer minus the graphics card for now

[frank stirrup]

what do ya mean?

[little osprey]

i have an i7-4790

no motherboard for it supports ddr4

[little osprey]

i think i'm ready to buy a motherboard, pcu and ram

do i do it or sleep on it?

hmmmmmmm

[frank stirrup]

want me to take a look at what u planning to buy and give inputs?

[little osprey]

if it's not too much out of your way

[frank stirrup]

Really no problem

throw it at me

[little osprey]

ultimately i want a 5900x and an rtx 3080

rtx 3080 is a no-go right now

so i can basically build my computer minus that and maybe a couple other parts

i have a gtx 1060. i have in my newegg cart these:

https://www.newegg.com/msi-b550-a-pro/p/N82E16813144330?Item=N82E16813144330

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-9-5900x/p/N82E16819113664?Item=N82E16819113664

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236607?Item=N82E16820236607

[frank stirrup]

Hmm that mobo lookin a lil inadequate for the cpu

and corsair ram not great

lemme suggest alternatives

[little osprey]

why's that? i'm not opposed to spending more, but it has good ratings and is cheap

ugh everyone says something different. goggle and my friend says corsair is #1 in ram

[frank stirrup]

Good ratings yes

but the VRMs on the board arent the best

VRMs are the components that power a cpu

[little osprey]

from what i find there's no reason to go expensive on a motherboard, unless there's something i'm missing

[frank stirrup]

Even if that board has great ratings, its not great for ur cpu

for a lower cpu sure

those dont draw a lot of power so no need for great vrms

[little osprey]

well then, what do you suggest?

[still roost]

RAWR#6969 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[frank stirrup]

uggh

[little osprey]

wow rip

you can pm me, i don't mind

[frank stirrup]

1 sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/mr/newegg/FMxbt6
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/mr/newegg/FyBhP6
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/mr/newegg/vFhmP6

There we go

shorter links

https://pcpartpicker.com/mr/newegg/33WBD3

that ram

[little osprey]

per my friend:

Most Ryzen 3000 CPUs can run the FCLK in synchronous mode (1:1 ratio) up to 1,800 MHz ( DDR4-3600), with very few “gold” samples hitting FLCK 1,900 MHz (DDR4-3800). Ryzen 5000 ups this limit to a little over 2,000 MHz (DDR4-4000), but there is still some variance among samples. Now, according to the Chiphell post, the 1:1 option for the Rocket Lake CPUs appears to be capped at around 1,866 MHz (DDR4-3733), which is essentially on par with the Ryzen 3000 CPUs. This could be an arbitrary limit, since MSI still has not released an official BIOS update for its Z490 mobos.

so he says ddr4 4000 ram would be better

[frank stirrup]

most ryzen 5000 cpus dont hit 2000mhz fclk

[frank stirrup]

he is wrong

[little osprey]

he also says intel is better

[frank stirrup]

only liek 5% 5900x cpus can do 2000mhz fclk

[frank stirrup]

till the i5 11600k intel gives btter price to perf vs the 5600x

[flint sapphire]

Intel is more worth at low end

[frank stirrup]

above that amd slaps intel around

[little osprey]

he had sent me a comparison, i can try to find it, but says i5 is comparable to the 5900x

[frank stirrup]

11700k and 11900k are just sad garbage waste of sand

[frank stirrup]

LMFAO

[flint sapphire]

[frank stirrup]

Thats funny

I like his joke

[still roost]

Darvan#1937 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[frank stirrup]

Too many steves

[flint sapphire]

[little osprey]

oof

wow really?

[flint sapphire]

Most of every test the i5 will get absolutely massacred by a 5900x

Gotta hit level 2

[little osprey]

he sent me cpu userbenchmark.com

[flint sapphire]

Before u can post

[little osprey]

core i5-11600k vs the ryzen 5900x

[flint sapphire]

Might’ve been looking at the chart backwards

[little osprey]

idk what numbers i'm looking at, but they looked comparable

[frank stirrup]

userbenchmark doesnt test anything

it pulls numbers out of its ass

literally its testing methods are absolute garbage

[little osprey]

gotcha

so, that motherboard

how do i choose one?

[frank stirrup]

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_core_i5_11600k-1865-vs-amd_ryzen_9_5900x-1748

thats a good compare

[frank stirrup]

you choose whichever one you like

all are about the same

[little osprey]

i'm a computer idiot, i like whatever works and will be good

idk the difference enough to choose one

[frank stirrup]

I favour gigabyte

[little osprey]

i hear they're #1 for motherboards

[frank stirrup]

Nah theres no clear number one

its down to what you like

[little osprey]

how do you "like" a motherboard vs another?

[frank stirrup]

bios

[little osprey]

i get the cpu and graphics card differences

[frank stirrup]

looks

[little osprey]

so basically i don't have enough experience to have a preference, huh?

[frank stirrup]

yeh just choose whichever is more visually appealing to you

[little osprey]

the gigabyte one is $20 off

that has my jew sense tingling

hey i'm green now

speaking of jew...

[frank stirrup]

Ahahaha

[little osprey]

haha yes i'm jewish, i can say that

well now looking at prices and understanding better

is the newegg pc builder worth it?

[little osprey]

why this ram as opposed to something comparable but cheaper?

[frank stirrup]

Because it looks cool, and is the most solid kit of ram you can buy

also u can buy the same kit again if you need to upgrade and not worry about it

[little osprey]

i'm seeing a g.skill with what i think are the same specs for like over $40 cheaper

[frank stirrup]

since you are guaranteed to get the same bin of ram chips every time

[frank stirrup]

link

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232907

[frank stirrup]

you can get that if you dont want rgb

[little osprey]

i'm not opposed to rgb, just trying to save some money

i see another from crucial that's another $5 cheaper

what's a better brand?

[frank stirrup]

gskill and ballistix are both great

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164174

[little osprey]

yeah that's what i saw

[frank stirrup]

i would buy that if you dont want rgb

[little osprey]

thank you so much for all the help!

i have a case, keeping my graphics card for now, psu has enough power until i upgrade the graphics card, buying a cpu, motherboard and ram...

anything else i might need?

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232906?Item=N82E16820232906

this one's only $20 more for some rgb

[pastel crypt]

is it worth building a pc right now?

or is everything too expensive?

[stable jewel]

Is it worth it to you, is the question you should ask yourself

[vernal dirge]

Honestly.. things are pretty bad atm.

It’s almost always better to buy a pre built in the current parts economy. Just make sure you’re looking at quality prebuilts. Look into ABS. They make good prebuilts for their pride.

Price.*

[terse pebble]

Dumb question to ask.

I have an arctic liquid freezer ii 360. The wire connector on the aio goes to cpu_fan1 or pump_fan1?

[stable jewel]

Cpu fan1, is where I have both mine

[frank stirrup]

cpu cooler

[frank stirrup]

pump

[frank stirrup]

should be on the pump fan

[fossil cedar]

https://youtu.be/RQSBj2LKkWg

Can we get this pinned somewhere ^

[stable jewel]

Hmmm, ok.

[flint sapphire]

please

[terse pebble]

Anyone knows what's this screw call?

[frank stirrup]

its called a screw

[warped canyon]

Can a tripped breaker ruin a pc?

[obsidian wigeon]

sometimes

[warped canyon]

before i press pc button ?

its trippin alrdy

[obsidian wigeon]

no

[warped canyon]

is it harm

[obsidian wigeon]

nah

[warped canyon]

but the pc cable is plugged on outlet

its been several times

the trippin

[obsidian wigeon]

it's still gonna be ok

[warped canyon]

okay ty for reply XD

[sage stump]

I want to rebuild my PC - I need recommendations for motherboard and processor combo - I am NOT a gamer

[fossil cedar]

What's your budget and use?

And what do you have at the moment?

[sage stump]

I am a writer and online instructor (zoom). I use adobe suite to create little videos ... illustrator and photoshop

My budget is mid-range - not cheap but not crazy expensive

I am also completing my dissertation - but I have external hard drives for the backup

[fossil cedar]

Can you give me a number to work around? Cheap is really subjective

[sage stump]

I built this system about 8-10 years ago - it is WIN 7

I LOVE IT - but it has aged and I don't want to upgrade it to WIN 10

[fossil cedar]

Why not?

Windows 10 is great

[sage stump]

Wellllllll.... the guy at micro center told me my processor would be too slow to handel the upgrade

[fossil cedar]

There won't be proper driver support for new hardware on windows 7

[sage stump]

I have win10 on my laptop

and love it

[fossil cedar]

Ahhh i thought you meant you wanted your new pc to be on Windows 7

[sage stump]

No I want to upgrae

[fossil cedar]

Ahh okay

Can you give me a budget?

Cuz cheap to some people is 400$ and to others its 700$ you know?

[sage stump]

When I built this system I intentionally added hard drives to store the data

[fossil cedar]

Okay, you can carry those over

[sage stump]

I have about $2000 for the total and would like to include new monitors

I use 2 monitors

[fossil cedar]

Woah

[sage stump]

and am spoiled by it

[fossil cedar]

That's a crap tun

[sage stump]

the monitors are not cheap

[fossil cedar]

You want 2 more new monitors?

[sage stump]

so for mother board and processor hopefully $500-$750

[fossil cedar]

You can get great monitors for like 300$ nowadays unless you neeeeed super super accurate colour

[sage stump]

Yes my monitors are older than my system

I don't -

I am old and need big print!!!

[fossil cedar]

You can get a nice big 27" or even 32" monitor for like 300$ each

You would be better off building basically a new pc, and carrying over some of your hard drives btw

So how much would you be looking to spend in total? Budget of 2k??

[sage stump]

I agree- the case is ok and the power supply is 750w (as I recall)

I will carry over all of the hard drives and probably reuse the SSD for the OS

I jut replaced the SSD last year with a 1 T

[fossil cedar]

Hmm okay, you might want to almost just leave it as is anyway as a working pc, and sell it on ebay or give it away or something

[sage stump]

that is a possibility

it seems like all of the systems at the store are geared toward gaming

[fossil cedar]

The only thing i would bother bringing over is hard drives

[sage stump]

I program in SQL and like a "work horse"

[fossil cedar]

Do you want to build the pc yourself or are you looking for a prebuilt?

[sage stump]

No I will build it

I may e old but I am still a nerd

[fossil cedar]

For a budget of 2k including 2 monitors?

[sage stump]

cut my teeth on mainframes and DOS machines

[fossil cedar]

Okay cool 👍

[sage stump]

yes that is the budget

[fossil cedar]

Okay you won't need to spend that much, even for a kickass system btw

[sage stump]

excellent

beer money!!!

[fossil cedar]

@sage stump do you have a graphics card in your old system by any chance?

[sage stump]

oh yes- nvidia

i believe that is its name

[fossil cedar]

Could you check which one it is?

[sage stump]

tell me how

do I have to open the case or can I tell from the system

[fossil cedar]

If you open task manager you should be able to see it in there

[sage stump]

ok - under which tab

[fossil cedar]

Performance?

Im not sure if they changed the layout from Windows 7 to 10

[sage stump]

It is different

[fossil cedar]

But it's performance in windows 10 anyway

Ahh

[sage stump]

that only shows cpu usage

still looking

[fossil cedar]

Okay so open up device manager instead

[sage stump]

my processor is intel i7-3820 3.6 ghz

[fossil cedar]

Oof

[little osprey]

that old

[vague oracle]

Windows 7 didn’t show that stuff in task manager

[sage stump]

found it

nvidia geforce gtx 550 ti

[fossil cedar]

Okay

You alright using that in the new system?

[frank stirrup]

@fossil cedar remember win+R

dxdiag

Enter

[fossil cedar]

Device manager open?

[sage stump]

I can upgrade it

yes device manager is open

[frank stirrup]

Easiest way to get system info

[frank stirrup]

Nah better

Try it out later

[fossil cedar]

Hmm okay thanks

[sage stump]

so I guess I need the MB + Processor + graphics card + ram

I currently have 64 gb RAM

[fossil cedar]

Yeah i would just get new power supply etc too

Case

[sage stump]

probably old and slow like me too!!!

[fossil cedar]

Lol dw

@sage stump do you want wifi or Bluetooth?

[sage stump]

yes

[fossil cedar]

Okay

[sage stump]

I want to build a machine that will last another 8-10 years - I want to put as much "horsepower" up front so I can rely on the system for a good long while

[fossil cedar]

You want 64gb ram again?

Okay

[sage stump]

I want enough RAM to do all of the things I want to do without a problem - photoshop and premier pro take a lot of resources

[frank stirrup]

I would wait a few months for this

[sage stump]

My current system is still working very well -

Is there a new OS on the horizon?

[frank stirrup]

New parts coming very soon that are gonna change everything

[frank stirrup]

New os, new ram generation

Intel big little core architecture

Lotta MASSIVE changes coming to pc parts in 4-5 months

[fossil cedar]

Windows 11, but you'll be able to upgrade to upgrade to that with the list imma give ya

[fossil cedar]

Their on a 10 year old pc tho lol

[sage stump]

I hate to upgrade to the new OS when it first arrives - lots of bugs

[frank stirrup]

If you can hold off for that long it will be better for a pc u plan on using for 10 more years

[sage stump]

I skipped Vista - thankfully!!!

[frank stirrup]

Oh not at all

[sage stump]

WIn 95 was quite a challenge at first

[frank stirrup]

Im on the beta for the new os and no real bugs

Things have really changed since windows vists

[fossil cedar]

@sage stump are 27" monitors okay or would you like bigger?

[vague oracle]

32Gb should be fine for photoshop and premiere pro

[sage stump]

27 probably ok\

[fossil cedar]

Win 11 will probs have some bugs especially if you're using big little i feel

[frank stirrup]

But fr if you cant hold on for 5-6 months its very understandable but honestly I would 100% wait

[sage stump]

I am hearing you RAWR

[fossil cedar]

They want to last 10 years and have a 2k budget

[frank stirrup]

Doubt it. Windows has its crap together this time

[sage stump]

I am on no rush

[vague oracle]

Ooh 10 years?

[frank stirrup]

Exactly why ddr5 and 12th gen intel is worth waiting for

[fossil cedar]

Fair

[sage stump]

My goal is always 10 years - I do not like obsolescence

[jagged ember]

https://c.tenor.com/pljAqxYDG0cAAAAM/future-squidward.gif

I can't help tho

[vague oracle]

Yeah wait for DDR5 and 12gen Intel

DDR4 will be out the window in maybe 4-5 years

[jagged ember]

All I know is futureproofing isnt a good strategy

And even that I'm questioning now

[little osprey]

guys im inside of bios and I have these memorry Crucial Ballistix 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory

But it shows up as 2666MHz is that correct?

[vague oracle]

Future proofing doesn’t really exist

[frank stirrup]

Ur buying hardware thats at the end of its life if you buy a pc rn tbh

[vague oracle]

You need to turn on XMP

[frank stirrup]

Enable xmp

[little osprey]

aight ill look it up

[vague oracle]

Or DOCP if you have an AMD system

[jagged ember]

True, but it'll last you 10 years

[little osprey]

thanks guys, ahhhh docp yea

[frank stirrup]

No

[jagged ember]

Not that you'll literally never buy another pc thing in 10 years

[vague oracle]

It’s been called DOCP on all of my AMD mobos

[frank stirrup]

Only asus calls it docp everywhere

[vague oracle]

Really?

I could’ve sworn I had it on my gigabyte B450

[little osprey]

wait do i turn on docp?

[frank stirrup]

All other mobo manufacturers use cmp

[little osprey]

its b55om plus wifi

[frank stirrup]

Asus mobo?

[little osprey]

mobo

yeah asus

[vague oracle]

Then yeah turn it on

[frank stirrup]

Yeah turn on docp

[little osprey]

thanks lads

Just to confirm guys like this

[jagged ember]

Looks good to me

[rancid rampart]

i just bought a corsair 5000d case, but it has a connector for the USB-C on the front panel, but my motherboard doesnt have the connector

does anyone know another way to get a usbc connector for the motherboard

?

[fossil cedar]

If you have a spare usb 3.0 port, you can buy a converter, or you can get a pcie add in card

But do you really need that 1 usb c?

[rancid rampart]

I don't because i have an usb-a to c adapter for a capture card but it would be convenient, plus it feels like the build is incomplete cause front panel not fully working :/

also there was only one usb 3.0 port on motherboard, being used for front panel as well

but you're right, Im just gonna leave it and live with the pain lol... for now

[fossil cedar]

Pretty sure you can get a usb 3.0 splitter, you'd have to find one that does 1 usb a and 1 usb c or 2 usb 3.0 and then a usb c to 3.1 on one of the splits

[little osprey]

Guys does the stock cooler with the 5 5600x have a plastic cover?

like the stock cooler has a plastic cover you need to remove

[fossil cedar]

Think it's in a hard plastic casing

So no

[little osprey]

only plastic casing? not a plastic sticker

[fossil cedar]

It doesn't have a plastic sticker type cover

[little osprey]

thanks

[fossil cedar]

Yee

[little osprey]

🙂

lost my soul, thinking i forgot to remove it. Glad it never existed

[fossil cedar]

If you have high temps, it's just cuz the 5600x stock cooler aint enough for it lol

[little osprey]

yeah i thought they were high, maybe ill upgrade in the future. For now this is enough

ill look into them. I won't be overclocking, whats the worst that could happen with stock?

[fossil cedar]

You're in Australia right?

[little osprey]

yea mate 🙂

[fossil cedar]

High temperatures /throttling is the worst that could happen lol

[fossil cedar]

Well then a gammaxx 400 should be a nice upgrade to the cooler

Don't bother looking for a id cooling se 224xt in Australia

[little osprey]

yup

[fossil cedar]

Se 224xt is scalped for like 120$ or something if it is available, like it is in Canada

Aye but they might not know that it's only supposed to be 30 usd

[brittle tinsel]

is it possible to have 4 pcs link up to 1 stream pc?

[fossil cedar]

I mean if you've got 4 capture cards

But why bother

[brittle tinsel]

I figure that, Im just wondering if that would work if it was done

well, me and my 3 brothers play games all the time. I have seen streamers before that had 2 screens linked to one, as they are in a romantic relastion ship or other ways. We want to set up ours to one and see how it goes.
im just doing research as I dont have all the money yet for a stream pc and the internet isnt strong enough to play modern games like cold war or modern warfare multiplayer.

[fossil cedar]

Unless you wanted to have all 4 perspectives on like the same steam??

[brittle tinsel]

kinda, I have an idea in mind that I know will work with slobs, but I just didnt know if 4 capture cards are possible

[fossil cedar]

Slobs?

I mean i don't see why 4 capture cards wouldn't be

[brittle tinsel]

stream labs open broadcaster software

[brittle tinsel]

well, I havent exactly found a mobo that has enough pcie slots for 4 captures and a gpu

[jagged ember]

4 capture cards, damn

[fossil cedar]

What capture card would you be using?

Well i mean I'm assuming they would be x4 or x8 cards so possibly feasible with igpu?