building-and-recc-chat

[main iron]

All right gonna add that to pcpartpicker if I can find it

[stoic island]

yea

I'll just link P500a again
https://www.newegg.com/black-phanteks-eclipse-p500a-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811854101

[main iron]

And that intel integrated graphics you talked about i5

[earnest olive]

looking at some of the other reviews for it

rip, the korean one breaks the entire website if you try to translate it lmao

[stoic island]

lol

[earnest olive]

our last contender is polish

[main iron]

Wait is the cooler the fans?

How many do I have to buy?

Do I just buy one?

[earnest olive]

cpu cooler and case fans are different

which case are you buying

[stoic island]

?

[main iron]

Either the o11, or the P500a

[earnest olive]

for O11 you'll want anywhere from 4-9

[stoic island]

P500a runs fine with stock, the only benefit it gains is an extra rear fan, O11 you probably want 4+

[earnest olive]

for p500a you can get away with not adding any

but adding 1 is nice

[hallow glen]

is p500a better than 4000d

[stoic island]

Yes

[earnest olive]

@stoic island i translated all the reviews none of them talk about hold-up time

[stoic island]

P500a has nicer features, better airflow, but higher cost too

eh, we can prob assume it's good

[earnest olive]

i will say that my home had a power outage while mining and there was zero damage to any of the hardware connected to it

[main iron]

So basically with p500a buy one cooler, or none, and with the o11 4 to 5 coolers

[marble seal]

if you get a dynamic xl, it has room for 10 fans; 3 of those likely to go a 360 aio and you can realistically skip the back exhaust if you want, so probably another 3-7

[earnest olive]

coolers and fans are not the same thing

[stoic island]

Might want to make sure you differentiate between "fans" and "coolers"

[earnest olive]

you need one cooler for your cpu

[main iron]

Mkay

[earnest olive]

case fans are added to the case

[stoic island]

Because coolers means this for most people

[zealous moth]

Fun

[main iron]

Why doesn't pcpartpicker have fans as a listed option?

[stoic island]

It has case fans

at the bottom

[zealous moth]

Nh-d15s are nice

[main iron]

Oh okay

[stoic island]

only when they fit

[earnest olive]

@main iron

[main iron]

Okay I see

I'm going to add p500a, and put down one fan

this nzxt one that's cheap

[stoic island]

I mean

you don't even need another fan

[earnest olive]

rgb? if you're going rgb i would avoid nzxt

[stoic island]

nzxt fan seems wack

For non-rgb fans, Arctic P12

[earnest olive]

they might require you to use their proprietary software to control it

[stoic island]

yea

[main iron]

Oh

[earnest olive]

or even worse, proprietary rgb controller

[main iron]

Well if the p500a fans have rgb then I'll take that then

[stoic island]

Ye, you could just leave it stock

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8CWBD3/phanteks-ph-f120sk-50-cfm-120-mm-fan-ph-f120sk_drgb_pwm

you can grab one of these for the back

has non-proprietary rgb

[stoic island]

not horrible pricing

[earnest olive]

so it will be compatible with your system

[stoic island]

tho wiring would be weird

[earnest olive]

how so?

[stoic island]

eh, I like the physical control, but that's just for the front 3 fans that are daisychained

[earnest olive]

can you daisy chain the fourth fan to it? lol

[stoic island]

I'm not sure actually

I like being able to control rgb without software tho

every software is wack, either great or horrible at times

[main iron]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Rjxqp

Added the p500

And I can buy the fan first since it's the cheapest thing on here

[earnest olive]

looking good

[main iron]

Umm

WHere to find the integrated graphics thingy?

[stoic island]

3600c16 not necessary, but it's not that expensive

[earnest olive]

it's integrated lol

[stoic island]

@main iron It's built into the chip

[earnest olive]

it's inside the i5-11500

[main iron]

oh okay

[earnest olive]

no need to add anything

the ballistix is only $12 more expensive than the cheapest black 3200c16

at that price i think it's an obvious choice

[stoic island]

yea fair

[earnest olive]

especially if they ever get into oc

ballistix oc king

[main iron]

oc?

[earnest olive]

overclocking

[main iron]

Is that related to VR?

[earnest olive]

no

[main iron]

Cause I wanna do VR in the future

Hope my build can do that when I get a gpu

[earnest olive]

absolutely

[stoic island]

Once you do have a GPU yes

iGPU won't have fun with vr

[earnest olive]

overclocking is the process of changing the specs of your hardware to usually either push for higher performance at higher power consumption/noise/temperature or the same performance at lower power consumption/noise/temperature

it should only be done by someone who knows what they're doing

since you can cause damage to some hardware if you put too much voltage where it doesn't belong

[stoic island]

hm?

[main iron]

I don't think I wanna do the overclocking biz I just wanna play some games.

[earnest olive]

overclocking is becoming less and less important as manufacturers are getting better at optimizing their products out of the box

[main iron]

Like mc, and pso2ngs

[earnest olive]

you used to be able to gain 100% performance or more from overclocking

now it's more like 10%

[main iron]

Should I get a wifi adapter for this?

[earnest olive]

if you want to use wifi then yes you will need one

this list does not have wifi support by default

[main iron]

My modem is pretty far from where I am

[stoic island]

Or get a board with built in wifi

[main iron]

I might invest in one

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QDyqqs/ziyituod-zyt-ax200-pcie-x1-80211abgnacax-wi-fi-adapter-zyt-ax200

[stoic island]

oh gawd those b560 wifi board prices kinda suck

[earnest olive]

no b560 boards with built in wifi at a good price right now

better to just add a pcie card

[main iron]

kk

imma add this

[stoic island]

oh gawd those b560 wifi board prices kinda suck

[earnest olive]

exactly

that's why i linked pcie card

lol

cheapest one that has intel ax200 for wifi 6

also has bluetooth included which is handy sometimes

[main iron]

Kk

[stoic island]

I like this because it's more aesthetically pleasing xD
https://www.newegg.com/fenvi-fv-ax3000-pci-express/p/0XM-00JK-00075

both use ax200

[main iron]

I mean 30 bucks isn't a deal breaker, but is it slightly better?

Then what i5 put out?

[earnest olive]

i wouldn't like the larger red heatsink in a primarily black build tbh

[main iron]

True

[earnest olive]

the raised green part of the one i linked is smaller

[main iron]

...

[stoic island]

Just another option

[earnest olive]

will be harder to see since it's facing down anyways

[main iron]

I'll stick with i5

[stoic island]

fair

[earnest olive]

hard to see anyways if you just put it below gpu lol

[stoic island]

heatsink does seem nice tho

but p500a shouldn't have any issues with airflow lel

[earnest olive]

that build has one of those wifi cards

but you can't see it

[stoic island]

fair

[earnest olive]

👁️

[main iron]

also that fan is from the same company as the p500a

yay

[earnest olive]

indeed

[main iron]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MXXQsX

Yep

[stoic island]

is nice

[main iron]

So gonna buy the fan, cooler, and the wifi adapter in may, and then the next highest thingy

[stoic island]

You should buy everything at once

in case anything comes doa

[main iron]

Nah I don't have money like that

[stoic island]

...?

It's not a good idea to buy parts in stages, better idea to save up for another few months than to buy in stages.

[earnest olive]

just save up

it is the same cost just requires more patience

but it is worth avoiding potentially losing $200 on a doa part you can't return

[stoic island]

(market always changing too)

Maybe by the time you saved up, AMD Zen 3 APUs are out for consumers

[main iron]

Umm I'm not really concerned about that this is going to be my first ever build.

I can save up

[worn wave]

So?

Ah okay

Read that wrong

[stoic island]

You should be concerned about if a part arrived Dead on Arrival, and not being able to return it because you're outside of the 30 day return window :P

[main iron]

I said I can save up

I'm not concerned about the AMD Zen 3 thingy

Sorry if that came out the wrong way

Or got mixed up

I was responding to the amd zen 3 thingy you said

That doesn't matter to me as a first time builder

Just wanna game ;__;

[muted patio]

I mean, this IS the Wegg Discord

[stoic island]

Oh, I'm bringing it up because AMD currently have vastly better iGPUs, and the Zen 3 APU is supposed to be combining a even more upgraded iGPU with a great CPU

[main iron]

Sounds expensive

[stoic island]

Eh, should be 300$ max tbh

but, it's supposed to be really nice

In the past, they've been cheaper :P

For example, 3400g

And 4750g MSRP was near 300usd, compared to 3700x 330usd msrp

I mean

3400g is Ryzen

4750g is Ryzen

meh

[earnest olive]

...why?

[stoic island]

that's 200ge territory

hell

3000g is 90$

200ge price went up

[earnest olive]

the celeron g5920 is $61 and destroys the highest end athlon 64 cpu by more than 3 times

lol

[main iron]

Hey uhh question

[earnest olive]

not to mention the athlon 64 is lacking plenty of modern instructions

and has no upgrade path whatsoever

[main iron]

Can someone explain to me what capture cards do?

[earnest olive]

there is no valid reason to buy one unless you're specifically making a retro rig

[main iron]

They record stuff right?

Do you need another pc just to record stuff?

[earnest olive]

no

[muted patio]

Gross

[potent portal]

They're used in place of a second pc so your main rig doesn't have a performance impact from streaming and if the pc dies the stream can continue

[earnest olive]

recommending an athlon 64 because it's cheap is like recommending a toy car to get to work because it's cheaper than a real car

[muted patio]

They're not good

[earnest olive]

you'd have trouble running a modern web browser on any athlon 64

or even a modern operating system

[stoic island]

@little osprey this boi slaps athlon 64 tho
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0815JGFQ8

[potent portal]

Ryzen 5600X is still best without the extra frills

[stoic island]

athlon 3000g or 200ge is very different from the decade old athlon 64 :P

[muted patio]

This

I still have my old Athlon AND Athlon 64 lol

No boards for them tho

[stoic island]

holy hell it's been discontinued for more than a decade, nearly 2 decades old xD

[earnest olive]

the athlon 3000g benches 5 times higher than the highest end athlon 64

but again the athlon 64 is lacking modern instruction sets

...you said athlon 64

[stoic island]

I'm sorry...?

[earnest olive]

that is not an athlon 64...

[stoic island]

not like I just linked it lol

[earnest olive]

....

[lyric thistle]

It's too bad 3000G is so expensive

[potent portal]

But that's not the name any more

[lyric thistle]

Take me back to the 50 bucks days

[earnest olive]

what cpu isn't 64-bit nowadays...

[muted patio]

That's not what you said tho

XD

[earnest olive]

athlon 64 is a specific product line name

[stoic island]

anyways, generally, with a Nvidia GPU, you can do just fine with capture and streaming on the same PC, since NVenc is great, and shadowplay can be good

[potent portal]

Depending on what you're streaming, iirc cyberpunk still has issues with same pc streaming in general

[main iron]

Ahh

[earnest olive]

cyberpunk has issues with everything

[muted patio]

Cyberpunk IS THE ISSUE

lol

[earnest olive]

lol

well said

[main iron]

That is true

Wonder if half of the people in here seen that crowbcat video

Well pretty sure it was well known before crowbcat made a post about it.

[stoic island]

?

[potent portal]

But at least with a capture card when cyberpunk crashes your stream isn't interrupted

[stoic island]

lol

stream bsod right to the viewers

[rustic flare]

ayo

so i just flashed my bios

when it turns off for like 2 seconds and turns back on

it's done right ?

[stoic island]

Assuming using normal flashing, not flashback, once it reboots, it's done.

[rustic flare]

yea i did normal flashing

tight ty

[vagrant olive]

yeah when you flash ur bios it sometimes will show the logo and little spinning circle thing multiple times

just wait for it to finish rebooting to windows

[rustic flare]

kk

[muted patio]

lulz

[earnest olive]

for $300 just buy a used prebuilt

[little osprey]

@rain palm is that truck your gpu anti-sag device?

[floral flare]

what is the best CPU

[earnest olive]

there is no correct answer to that

[floral flare]

is amd 7 5800x worth?

my bad,

[desert gulch]

Not rly

[earnest olive]

depends on what the use case is

there is a best cpu for gaming

[desert gulch]

Price to perf kinda meh

[earnest olive]

there is a best cpu for productivity

[desert gulch]

Best gaming cpu is 5950x imo

[earnest olive]

there are best cpus for different categories

[floral flare]

i use for gaming, and product video

i am consider AMD ryzen 7 5800x

[desert gulch]

Budget?

[floral flare]

is that worth?

[desert gulch]

Budget?

[floral flare]

$1500-$2000 for the build

[desert gulch]

I mean yeah you can prolly fit that in

What gpu?

3080?

[earnest olive]

best gaming cpu? 5950x
best sensible gaming cpu? 11400/11600k
best productivity cpu? varies between threadripper/epyc depending on specific needs
best multi-cpu server setup with unlimited money? 8x xeon platinums

do you consider gaming more important or video editing more important

[floral flare]

GPU, probably rtx 20xx, because i can't get a rtx 3070

[earnest olive]

if video editing is more important then a used 3900x could be a good deal

[floral flare]

i like 3070, but i will just give up

[desert gulch]

Ye

I'd go 3070

At least

[earnest olive]

have seen some cheap 3900x/3950x lately

[floral flare]

how can you buy 3070, original price only

[desert gulch]

Are you in usa?

[floral flare]

3900x

ok

i am in USA

[desert gulch]

Ok

Best buy drops sometimes

Newegg shuffle exists

[floral flare]

i heard Best buy will have it

yes, too hard to get it

[desert gulch]

Yeah they have drops every once a week ish

[floral flare]

do you know the time?

[desert gulch]

Uhh I dont

Prolly other ppl do

@earnest olive

What time does bb drop 3070?

[still roost]

A cat#4740 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[floral flare]

i see other room post this

[earnest olive]

no idea, best buy has a dumb system

i'd rather buy a scalped 3070 for 1100 than sit through best buy drops watching that ATC button for 30 minutes every time

[floral flare]

i will get a 5800x, in stock

[earnest olive]

you didn't answer if you value video editing more or gaming more

[floral flare]

3900x is like $380~

[earnest olive]

i9-10850K is a good consideration

[floral flare]

ok

[earnest olive]

10 cores and can be found as cheap as $300 at microcenter

[floral flare]

thanks

[earnest olive]

loses very slightly to the 5800x in gaming but not by a noticeable amount

[floral flare]

yes, i try, toooo hard to get it, or just wait

🤣

[earnest olive]

beats it by a decent margin in video editing

looks like it's currently $330 at microcenter

not bad at all

[floral flare]

ok

[earnest olive]

but you have to live near one

cause it's physical store only

some of the 3070 models on best buy are $866 after sales tax... scalpers sometimes sell them as low as 3070 which is a $234 mark up

i'd rather pay $234 than have to waste time on 10 best buy drops lol

[floral flare]

are you able to get 3070 at microcenter?

you went there before they open?

[earnest olive]

maybe if you camp outside idk

[floral flare]

haha

ok

[earnest olive]

i didn't get 3070 from microcenter

i won 3 from newegg shuffle

[floral flare]

and which mother board you recommend? is that matter?

[earnest olive]

depends on which cpu you decide to buy

[earnest olive]

fine if you choose 5800x

[earnest olive]

there are cheaper boards that are good enough

[floral flare]

ok, i decide to buy this

5800x

[floral flare]

i can't even buy a RTX 2060

more expensive than 3070

[rain palm]

Sure you could say that really not under doesn't fit like on the side

[little osprey]

Ahh

[rain palm]

Like kinda does on edge but it I put it too much under it hits the fans we don't want that

[vagrant olive]

this is very odd. i was messing around with gpu (zotac rtx 3060) overclocks in msi afterburner, and hit an unstable point that crashed me so i rebooted and then reset it to factory clock. ever since then my gpu fans havent been spinning at all even though core temps are 60c and hotpsot temps are 70c while just using it normally (i dont have any games running). i know for a fact that they spun at these temps before i messed with afterburner. i also dont currently have afterburner loaded at all

anyone know anything that could fix this

[potent portal]

DDU to remove drivers in safe mode, then reinstall

[vagrant olive]

oh

[potent portal]

When the driver crashed it might have corrupted the driver

[vagrant olive]

i see. do you have a tutorial link for that or is the program pretty basic to use

i dont want to mess anything up further 😅

[potent portal]

It's pretty simple. Download it, go into safe mode, run it and check all the boxes for your GPU brand, then boot back into normal mode and install latest drivers.

[vagrant olive]

alright

[potent portal]

https://www.guru3d.com/files-get/display-driver-uninstaller-download,9.html

[vagrant olive]

and itll work without the gpu driver?

i dont know much about driver stuff lol

[potent portal]

Yeah Windows has basic drivers that will still work for display until the gaming drivers are reinstalled

[vagrant olive]

alright thanks

sorry to be a pain but
download and install ddu
boot into safe mode
run ddu and check all boxes for my gpu brand
boot back into normal mode
install latest driver from geforce experience

just want to make sure i got it

[potent portal]

geforce will get uninstalled too, get from the website

[vagrant olive]

oh

[little osprey]

Truth

[vagrant olive]

@potent portal im not sure what exactly happened but i decided to go into afterburner and set the fan curve to default and now its working properly so

success?

fans are spinning and im no longer getting 60C core on csgo

[potent portal]

Well I guess it's good now then

[vagrant olive]

yeah

[lost basin]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/w3VKDc What do you guys think?

[fossil cedar]

Don't bother with the 980 pro tbh just get 1 2tb m.2 instead, I'd recommend an arctic ii aio instead of the kraken too

[vivid copper]

yeah it seems you went with just what is popular....the 980 pro is a waste....you can get a regular 1tb or 2tb gen 4 drive for the price of those two nvmes and i'd recommend a 360 AIO if you're trying to use a 5900 otherwise maybe go down to a 5600x

or 5800x

[fossil cedar]

Well 360s aren't needed for a 5900x, something like a noctua u12a or d15 would still be perfectly fine

[fossil cedar]

Also 360s dont fit in all cases

[lost basin]

My friend did the same build

Building it didn’t have problems what so ever

[vivid copper]

he has an 011 dynamic it'll fit and even amd recommends a 280 or 360 aio for anything more than 8 cores

[fossil cedar]

Yeah the cooler you have isn't bad it's just there's better ones for cheaper and the samsung 980 pro you won't notice the difference unless you do huge file transfers very often

[fossil cedar]

They don't, a good air cooler will beat out an average 280 or 360

[lost basin]

So what should I change my procesor is already in my collection?

[vivid copper]

not necessarily..once again i would never try to air cool a 12 core part...there is no point...it a reason they don't come with stock coolers

[fossil cedar]

It's a very good processor, I'd replace your cooler with the arctic liquid frezer ii 280mm or 360mm and i would get rid of the 980 pro and spend that money on a 2 tb ssd instead

[fossil cedar]

That's just incorrect, they don't come with stock coolers because the stock coolers are basic, any tower cooler will kick the stock coolers ass

[jagged ember]

cue the NH-D12 cooler

or the dark rock pro, i guess

[fossil cedar]

D15 or u12a

[jagged ember]

won't U12a be a bit small for cooling the 5900x?

[fossil cedar]

Even a mugen rev b would destroy a stock cooler lol

[jagged ember]

i haven't actually looked at performance metrics though

[fossil cedar]

U12a is the big one with 2 fans iirc

[vivid copper]

it's plenty of youtubers and testers that have proved otherwise but that's up for opinion.....my point is why buy a bentley and put 87 in the tank it's a dumb idea

[jagged ember]

no, it's not because air cooling is stupid

it's because stock coolers are stupid

[fossil cedar]

^

Well they're okay for i3s

[jagged ember]

lol yeah i guess

[vivid copper]

stock coolers are perfectly fine for up to 6 cores

[jagged ember]

pfff

[vivid copper]

esp amd

it has a tdp of 65w

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but they get toasty

[jagged ember]

i have a 3600 with what used to be a stock cooler

[fossil cedar]

Tdp doesn't mean anything

[jagged ember]

80 degrees on power saving mode while gaming

80 degrees

limited to draw only 45w

[fossil cedar]

Mine spiked to 90c under synthetic load with my stock then i upgraded to a 224xt and now it's like 65c max under full load

[jagged ember]

90 is lucky tbh

mine spiked to 94

but that was just minecraft lmao

[vivid copper]

you had a 45w part at 80 degrees?

[fossil cedar]

I'm sure if i let mine go long enough it could have lol

[jagged ember]

with fully stock operation

[fossil cedar]

Cpus go over their tdp all the time

[jagged ember]

and to answer your question, it was a 65w part

i just had to limit it's power draw to 45w to keep temps under check

with the gammaxx tho PBO on nets 72 degrees max

74, if the room's hot

[vivid copper]

right that what i said, at 45 watt draw how are you still getting temps in the 80s

[jagged ember]

and that's with P95

[jagged ember]

Good question!

I don't know lmao

[fossil cedar]

Cpus go over tdp all the time

[stoic island]

Because it's likely still not 45 watt draw

[fossil cedar]

^

[stoic island]

TDP generally is power draw at completely stock (Base freq)

Once it starts boosting, bye bye tdp

[jagged ember]

ooh i see

[vivid copper]

that's why i AIO everything..i had a ryzen 2600 never went about 65 at full load and both my 5800s never go above 74 at full load

[stoic island]

lol

[jagged ember]

um

2600 with aio?

[fossil cedar]

Seriously again, a decent air cooler will outperform a meh aio anyday

[jagged ember]

a little over lol

[fossil cedar]

Literally a 30$ air cooler would do the same thing

[vivid copper]

maybe but i don't like the look of air coolers

[jagged ember]

that's a fair factor

[fossil cedar]

That's a you issue then not a cooling issue lol

[jagged ember]

but performance wise air coolers are essentially the same lol

sometimes better

[fossil cedar]

Like that's preference but you cannot say a d15 wouldn't kick a mid range aio any day

[vivid copper]

what's a mid range AIO cooler? They are almost all AIOs are literally all made by the same company...the brands just change cosmetic things about them T

[stoic island]

nah man

the only good AIOs have the non-asetech pumps

freezer ii, galahad, ek-aio

[stoic island]

it's just like corsair, nzxt, and evga that just use asetech pumps

clc360 is actually pretty decent because of the loud as heck fans

[vivid copper]

everybody uses asetech pumps b...lol...

[stoic island]

no

[jagged ember]

nope

[vivid copper]

not all

[jagged ember]

i trust the word of techie more

[stoic island]

this is not an asetech pump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQRwn-lecnk

[jagged ember]

thanks, GN

the weird ass fan tho lmao

[stoic island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAwYEBmSfvE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDbk68fwBQM

[jagged ember]

not a fan of the tiny fan they put on the cooler, looks a bit weird

[stoic island]

anyways

I like it, fan for cooling vrm is nice

[jagged ember]

yeah, it does help a bit tbf

[vivid copper]

okay not all of them but the overwhelming majority 2 or 3 out of 50 doesn't make a difference

[stoic island]

:)

AIOs with asetech pumps are just mediocre imo

all perform around the same

[vivid copper]

that's what i was saying

they are all the same

[stoic island]

Except for the non-asetech ones, which perform really nicely

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but an air cooler in the same price range would beat it in perf

For the asetech ones anyway

[stoic island]

eh, good asetech ones outperform most air coolers

but they are also like 120$ xD

[jagged ember]

it would be better to say most aios are all the same

[fossil cedar]

Yeah when you can get a d15 for like 85$ or a arctic freezer for 110 soo

[stoic island]

freezer ii is nice

[jagged ember]

freezer is pog tho yeah

[fossil cedar]

V nice that's why i recommended over the kraken for that guu

[vivid copper]

they all are good solutions and you guys are splitter hairs....a 5 degree temp difference doesn't make a difference, get whatever AIO or air cooler fits your budget and whatever you think looks good

[stoic island]

point is, not all aios the same, some of those which deviate from asetech standard designs make great differences

[jagged ember]

5 degrees does kinda make a difference

[stoic island]

if 5 degree temp difference doesn't make a difference, you shouldn't even get an aio lel

[jagged ember]

90 vs 95 degrees is the temp between shutdown and borderline safe

[stoic island]

d15/cnps20x/drp4 will stay within 5 degrees of most aios

[vivid copper]

60 vs 65 doesnt

[jagged ember]

you might as well stick with stock cooler with that logic tbh

[vivid copper]

70 vs 75 doesn't

[jagged ember]

again...

[vivid copper]

you're not getting to 90 with the solutions we're talking about

[stoic island]

keep this in mind, those charts I had above were dt over ambient

and ambient was 21c

aka. Coolest was ~71c in their testing

If your room was 31c, the coolest (freezer ii 360mm) would be ~81c

:P

There's also hotspots

crappy early samples

etc

[fossil cedar]

Yep heat isn't equal across the whole ihs

[stoic island]

Lots of things to consider

[vivid copper]

i've fallen too deep with the nerds..lol, if you guys are the ones measuring you're ambient temp in your room before you game than that matters....most users don't care what temperature the room is, turn on the pc and go....it's not that deep for 90% of people

[stoic island]

No no, the point is, room temperature matter

and when you take that into consideration

it's often not 60c vs 65c

it's often like 89c vs 94c kind of thing

anyways

point is

good air coolers are nice

bottom text

[fossil cedar]

Remember the temps he gave where above room temp so 50c is actually 70c etc

[stoic island]

(it's down here, cut the screenshot too much last time)

[vivid copper]

lol..still talking about room temps...americans don't even know what a room temp of 50c is bro

[stoic island]

No, the measurement is 50c, plus 20c room temperature

[jagged ember]

we're saying that's how the chart shows temperatures

and saying that this fact should be kept in mind

[stoic island]

mhm

[vivid copper]

like i said most americans don't know the difference we don't deal in celcius....i get what he's saying i was off that along time ago

[jagged ember]

um

okay,

straw man?

[stoic island]

You're making the assumption we're Americans in the first place :P

[vivid copper]

what?

[jagged ember]

thats related to what we're saying but also not

[stoic island]

doesn't really matter

[jagged ember]

true

[vivid copper]

i don't know what you are?

[jagged ember]

point is again nice air cooler is nice

you can decide how to spend money

[stoic island]

I'm trying to say this has nothing to do with what we were saying before

oh well

[fossil cedar]

Ehhhh it's the same if you just converted to farenheit??

[vivid copper]

yes air coolers are nice and they can perform just as good as some AIOs

personally if you're spending 700 dollars on a CPU i would not put a 100-150 air cooler on it...that's just my personal opinion

[fossil cedar]

That's where the good aios prices are bruh

[stoic island]

(100-150 aio would do just fine, and I don't think any real air coolers exist at 100-150 lol)

top end air cooler is d15/cnps20x/drp4, and those are 90-100

[fossil cedar]

Arctic freezer ii is like 110, ek aio is 90 without rgb and like 120 with rgb

[fossil cedar]

Lol the u12a for some reason

[stoic island]

nah

[vivid copper]

even more to my point...a then...a good 360 is about 180

[fossil cedar]

Ik it's not supposed to be there but it's like 110 or 120 atm

[jagged ember]

aio do look better

[stoic island]

ek-aio 360mm is 150$, freezer ii 360mm is 135$, galahad 360mm is like 160$

[jagged ember]

so in that sense completely fair

[fossil cedar]

No arctic freezer ii 360 is like 130

[jagged ember]

but perf wise it's about the same

so if you care more about performance and saving money, air coolers are a better choice

[stoic island]

ick freezer ii 360 went out of stock again

[jagged ember]

rip

[stoic island]

ek-aio still around tho
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-aio-360-d-rgb

[jagged ember]

not trying to invalidate your opinion, btw

just want to put that out there

[vivid copper]

the performance is gonna be withing margin of error....if i'm spending 500-700 on just a cpu i don't money is an issue...

[stoic island]

galahad too is 160$
https://www.newegg.com/lian-li-liquid-cooling-system/p/2YM-002Y-00003

[tight sorrel]

agree.. got a spire rgb cooler for my 2600 and it enever went above 60, and I live in Africa

[vivid copper]

160 plus tax = 180

[stoic island]

That's not my point, my point is that these are the TOP performers, spending more doesn't really get you any more performance bar like an ice giant

eh, generally we ignore tax since it varies

[jagged ember]

wasnt ice giant

the ridiculously large cooler

[stoic island]

yes

[jagged ember]

lmao

ice giant is stupid big

[stoic island]

this thing

[jagged ember]

that's the one!

[fossil cedar]

Well the person we were talking about lives in the uk so tax is included anyway

[stoic island]

oh UK?

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

[stoic island]

freezer ii should still be in stock for like 120gbp

[fossil cedar]

Exactly

[stoic island]

gonna check

110 after vat
https://www.awd-it.co.uk/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-360-series-multi-compatible-all-in-one-cpu-water-cooler-acfre00068a.html

[jagged ember]

Sheeesh

[fossil cedar]

Yup

[jagged ember]

That's in usd price?

[stoic island]

110 gbp

[fossil cedar]

110 gbp

[stoic island]

smth like 150usd but yea

[jagged ember]

O I didn't read

[fossil cedar]

Uk =£

Lul

Nah jk just usually you'd use local currency

[stoic island]

and yes, you're too deep in with the nerds to get out now >:D

[vivid copper]

exits left

[tight sorrel]

easy to understand: 50c room temperature means everyone inside it is dead

[sullen spoke]

ice giant not big enough

[nimble bluff]

@jovial radish can u help me which psu should i get haha

[fossil cedar]

Can you put the list you have together first in https://pcpartpicker.com/list first? And what budget is your build?

[nimble bluff]

below 1000$

thx dude i appreciate it @jovial radish

[fossil cedar]

I'd recommend looking at the pins in #cases-psu-and-cooling for a list of basically what to buy power supply wise, the 80+ ratings are only effienency ratings not actually how good it is

[jagged ember]

Psu tier list is a good reference point

[fossil cedar]

For a 1000$ budget tho, unless you already have the motherboard or cpu, I'd recommend getting an intel i5 11400 instead, with a b560 motherboard

Or 10400 if 11400 too expensive considering graphics prices

[worn wave]

B560 Pro4 still out of stock everywhere?

[fossil cedar]

The m version is https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9BmmP6/asrock-b560m-pro4-micro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-b560m-pro4 but the atx version isn't, there's better boards for the value atm tho as rock kinda meh

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dLkWGX/asus-prime-b560-plus-atx-lga1200-motherboard-prime-b560-plus or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jv3gXL/msi-mag-b560-torpedo-atx-lga1200-motherboard-mag-b560-torpedo for atx boards, for matx the tuf is decent value

[fast wagon]

I got the PC running yesterday. Very happy with the results

Unless Aida 64 is lying to me, my CPU is 28 degrees idle, down from 55 degrees with my old stock cooler 0_o

[rich helm]

What cpu?

[fast wagon]

Ryzen 2700x

[rich helm]

Oh wow

[fast wagon]

Yee

[rich helm]

What tdp is it

It doesn’t seem like it should be that hot

[fast wagon]

And I've only seen it go up to like ~42 when playing Minecraft, which is the most CPU intensive game I could quickly benchmark the temps with

Be that hot with the old cooler or the new one?

[rich helm]

Single thread = cpu intense hmm

The stock cooler

[fast wagon]

Honestly not sure but it was the Wraith Spire that comes with the 2700x

[rich helm]

Just run cinebench r23 or prime 95 small ffts

[fast wagon]

Yeah I haven't gotten a chance yet but I will for sure

I also have Aida 64 which has a benchmark

So I'll try that one as well

[muted patio]

I'd use OCCT if you want to stress test it

CPU, MEM, GPU all in one place

[fast wagon]

The old cooler was loud af and didn't even do it's job particularly well either, given that it was like 50 degrees idle

I'll consider it but I'm not really looking for a stress tester right now. Just a quick benchmark to see temps

[muted patio]

Mmm, idle temp honestly doesn't matter, load does

[fast wagon]

Well yeah but I say that because that means even when it was idle the fan was sounding like a whole F-16

[muted patio]

What cooler was it?

[fast wagon]

So while I was trying to write essays, not game, I had to listen to some jet engine type beat

Wraith Spire

[muted patio]

Ah, the solid block

[fast wagon]

It worked great for like a year but then after that

It started to get louder

and louder to the point where I considered an AIO

And then bought one

And now here we are, silent PC, ~30 degrees cooler, and looks a hell of a lot better too

One complaint about this case is that little cutout in the bottom of the case that goes to absolutely nowhere and causes some wires in the back to be seen

[muted patio]

Ye, my 3700x idles at 30C with an AIO and loaded PBO temps are ~70C

[fast wagon]

Nice

[tight sorrel]

was the platic shield still attached to the bottom of the stock cooler?

[fast wagon]

No haha

[muted patio]

Wraith Spire is a bad cooler for a 2700X

AMD did much better with the Prism and 3700x

[fast wagon]

Yea

I'm also glad I can use the other 16 gigs of ram I have and actually run them at their rated speeds now

[still roost]

Zoink#4345 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[midnight vigil]

Fark

[fast wagon]

This is the only server that does that omg

[midnight vigil]

yes

its anoying

annoying

[fast wagon]

Anyway, I was limited by my really bad motherboard that had two broken ram slots and I had to deal with 16 gigs (which is fine) at 2133mhz (which is not fine)

For like 3 years or so

[olive kraken]

Would u guys say this is good for my pump's life span? XD

[fast wagon]

Now I can run use all 64 gigs and run them at 3200mhz like they're meant to

[rich helm]

Doesn’t seem bad

[muted patio]

It's fine, rad top edge is higher than pump

[rich helm]

^

[olive kraken]

Fair enough

[rich helm]

Could put it so that the rad side with tubes it propped up kinda like jayztwocents does it

[olive kraken]

Also I ran cinebench r20 (I think) for 45m and hottest core was 61c

5600x

[midnight vigil]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vvKKHx/asrock-b560m-hdv-micro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-b560m-hdv is this good for an i5-11400f

[olive kraken]

I can't remember which one I ran but it maintained its turbo clock

[rich helm]

65w tdp 😐

[fossil cedar]

Yep

[midnight vigil]

`ok

[fossil cedar]

It's fine

[muted patio]

For an 11400 yes

If you want to upgrade in the future, not so much

[rich helm]

My 125w tdp 10600k staying under 62c in cinebench 😐

[fast wagon]

Rate the cable management

[midnight vigil]

ill probably upgrade at some point but i don't really need to for probably a while

[fast wagon]

I tried to get the tubes to not look so in-the-way but I couldn't do much. They're quite rigid.

[midnight vigil]

so it'd be good then

[muted patio]

Do you want to upgrade down the line?

[fossil cedar]

As in would you be buying another 10th or 11th gen processor or would you buy a new motherboard when you upgrade cpu, ie not 10th or 11th gen cpu

[olive kraken]

I mean that was hottest core but the average was lower, what cooler do u have?

[midnight vigil]

I'll probably upgrade both

[olive kraken]

I'm running an ek aio 240

[rich helm]

Fuma 2

This was a very nice binned chip idk if it makes that much of a difference at stock tho

[olive kraken]

Idunno

[earnest olive]

real stock or MCE stock?

almost no motherboard follows real stock for intel

[distant spoke]

Can someone please help me? My pc keeps getting fresh windows installs corrupted and I have no clue why

[earnest olive]

unstable ram oc?

what ram you got

[distant spoke]

Dunno I tried reseating them and trying with just one but nothin changes

[earnest olive]

you don't know what ram you have?

[distant spoke]

Got gskill 2x8gb 2600 mhz

[muted patio]

2600?

[distant spoke]

Trident whatever

[earnest olive]

3600 probably

[distant spoke]

3200 i m3an

[earnest olive]

what timings? 3600 kind of doubtful to be unstable at xmp

oh 3200

yeah definitely not the issue

maybe your storage drive is faulty then

or your windows installation media

[distant spoke]

Naw I havent changed the timings so idk, might be my ssd?

I have an nvme intel ssd

[muted patio]

Ohhhhh

Might be drive then

[earnest olive]

try a new windows installation media first

less pain than replacing ssd

[distant spoke]

Ah ok

[earnest olive]

if not then it is probably the ssd

good luck

[distant spoke]

Thks Ill try the installation media

[muted patio]

Can you currently boot into Windows?

[balmy patio]

yo did you get your rgb working

[fast wagon]

Not the front fans lol

But they spin, which is all I need

[distant spoke]

No I cannot @muted patio

[fast wagon]

https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-CTHUB_DRGB_01-Controller-3-Button-Compatible/dp/B07BT8JXSG

@balmy patio I’m going to order this in a last ditch effort to maybe get it to work :(

[balmy patio]

nice

[fast wagon]

I can't tell from the pictures but it seems like the fans might plug into the ports in that controller?

[balmy patio]

they do

[fast wagon]

I mean if it doesn't then I guess i'll return it

[balmy patio]

it says it's 5v so yeah it'll work

[fast wagon]

I'm trying to send a picture and it keeps getting deleted

I'll dm it hold on

[clever mist]

does newegg allow returns?

[muted patio]

Yes

[stoic island]

Do it

[queen dagger]

so currently im trying to find out what kind of wattage I need with my PSU, what components draw a fair amount of power? so far, ive gotten the GPU (340 TDP), CPU (95 TPD), and Mobo (70 TDP).

[earnest olive]

what gpu?

340W? 3080?

[queen dagger]

yes its a 3080

[muted patio]

Also what CPU, CPU TDP doesn't mean anything

[ripe wedge]

850W

[queen dagger]

9900k

[muted patio]

65W INtel CPU will draw 200W or more

[earnest olive]

for a 9900k and 3080

[ripe wedge]

850W

[earnest olive]

grab a revo d.f 850 prob

[muted patio]

Especially if you OC, so Enermax Revolution DF 850W.

[ripe wedge]

^^

[earnest olive]

or leadex 3 gold is cheaper rn

[ripe wedge]

or RM850X whichever is cheaper

[earnest olive]

leadex 3 gold should be good too?

[muted patio]

Enermax is $129, leadex is cheaper?

[earnest olive]

oh wait

for some reason pcpp didn't apply tax to the leadex

yeah just grab revo d.f

@queen dagger https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07P7XLVJG

[queen dagger]

yup, alreasdy added it to PCPP. my current total is $1,925.

[earnest olive]

9900K may have a 95W TDP but it can be pushed to 300W

and you'll want a little bit of headroom for GPU transient spikes above TDP

850W will cover you and the D.F is one of the best units out there

[queen dagger]

yeah, If i do OC, it wouldn't be monumental, as the cooler is a Dark Rock 4

[earnest olive]

well you'd be surprised it doesn't exactly take an exotic oc to hit 300w

i hit 300w on a 10700k (basically the same cpu) at only 1.35v

[ripe wedge]

ive hit 286W on my 10700K ( a 125w tdp cpu)

[earnest olive]

granted that is in synthetic benchmarks and not gaming

in gaming even if you oc it will not exceed 150W

[potent portal]

prime95 power virus mode

[earnest olive]

still a valuable tool

[potent portal]

Yes, absolutely, for multiple reasons

[queen dagger]

but one thing I would be doing with this PC is streaming FiveM (A GTA V Mod), do you think that could be easily completed?

[muted patio]

OH yeah

[ripe wedge]

yeah

[queen dagger]

cool aid man

[earnest olive]

me watching people use cinebench r20 as a stability test

me passing a cinebench r20 run and then getting bsod opening firefox for hwbot

[ripe wedge]

R20 is where i hit 286W

lol

[earnest olive]

really? what voltage

1.5?

p95 small ffts avx hit 300w at 1.35v

and started thermal throttling

[ripe wedge]

was like 1.44

lol

[earnest olive]

yeah makes sense then

[ripe wedge]

at 5.2

[queen dagger]

also, when do yall think 3080s would be obtainable by around October? because my plan is to go down to Micro Center and grab one around that time

[earnest olive]

nvidia, tsmc, and intel execs all expect shortages to last until 2023

[potent portal]

Meanwhile my 5800X hits 170W at 5GHz all core boost

[earnest olive]

YeAh BuT iNtEl HaS dOuBlE tHe NaNoMeTeRs

more wattage means it's working harder for you

amd cpus lazy

[potent portal]

All those ++++++ mean something right?

[muted patio]

I mean, AMD's IO is still 14 nm

[earnest olive]

yeah those +s are actually shurikens thrown at intel by evil amd

cancel amd

[queen dagger]

this is my current PCPP list, there is no mobo because I already have one https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QLsGgt

[earnest olive]

you can just add the mobo and manually set price to 0

or mark as purchased

[round stream]

why is the samsung 970 250 bucks

[muted patio]

Ye

[round stream]

thought it was like 120

[muted patio]

I was wondering that

[earnest olive]

this ssd is disgustingly overpriced, get mushkin pilot-e 1tb instead

[muted patio]

It's $159

[earnest olive]

also i don't see any ram in here

[queen dagger]

i added it when it was at a low price, I think I would rather wait to see if it fluctuates

nice spelling

[muted patio]

Mushkin Pilot E is $109, just as fast and just as good

[earnest olive]

mushkin pilot-e is better than 970 evo

and costs $110

[fossil cedar]

They already have board probs have ram from previous cpu?

[earnest olive]

maybe

z390 gaming x might have trouble running oc 9900k in non-gaming loads

in gaming should be ok

but it will be hard to stability test

[fossil cedar]

Could always do a light oc tbh

[queen dagger]

yeah that was the plan, i may add another 16 gig (2x8) pack of Corsair vengence down the line

[fossil cedar]

Get ballistix instead, better and cheaper

[queen dagger]

what makes it better?

[fossil cedar]

Better dies, vengeance tends to be a bit wishy washy

And more expensive

[earnest olive]

z390 gaming x vrms are good for about 200w

so may throttle in some workloads even at stock/MCE

but for gaming will be ok

[queen dagger]

Ive had my current 16 gig vengence kit for about 8 months now with no issues

[earnest olive]

also $395 is very steep for a 9900K

do you live near a microcenter?

[knotty sluice]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/virang807/saved/#view=j9C9cf Any suggestions/bottlenecks that I am missing?

[muted patio]

212 evo

No, pls and thx

[knotty sluice]

I am 1 hour away from a microcenter

[muted patio]

XD

[queen dagger]

it would be a days drive, I would have to go to the Massechuets one

[earnest olive]

9900K has been $230 before

[fossil cedar]

No it's decent if you have it but if you're upgrading ballistix is better

[earnest olive]

i picked up a 10700K for $230

[queen dagger]

I basicly live in canada

[muted patio]

Swap 212 Evo for something better like a Vetroo V5 or ID Cooling SSE 224XT. Swap Samsung drive for Mushkin Pilot E 1 TB

[queen dagger]

noted

[earnest olive]

hmm looks like microcenter stopped stocking the 9900K anyways

[fossil cedar]

Get a gammaxx 400, id cooling se 224xt or vetroo v5 cooler and get a pilot e ssd instead of Samsung

[earnest olive]

i've seen some for $250-300 used

[ripe wedge]

10700k better value

[earnest olive]

may be worth looking into

[earnest olive]

he doesn't want to change his z390 board

[ripe wedge]

ah

[fossil cedar]

Damm you beat me too it didn't see cuz mobile lol

[ripe wedge]

maybe a used 9900k

[knotty sluice]

Thanks for the suggestions! Will look into those

[queen dagger]

and down the line, with 4k video editing, do you think I would want to grab another 16 GB pack?

[fossil cedar]

Yeah i would

[earnest olive]

for 4k video editing 64gb is good

[queen dagger]

cause there is a high chance I would be editing 4k video

[earnest olive]

4x16

[fossil cedar]

^

[earnest olive]

so if you want to prioritize 4k video editing sell your 8gb sticks

[fossil cedar]

32gb for 1440p or 1080p should be nice

[queen dagger]

true, but then my 16 GB kit would be useless

[earnest olive]

can buy 2x16 now and add another 2x16 later

[queen dagger]

ok, ill look into exactly what I want to do

[fossil cedar]

Sell it

[earnest olive]

ram prices are high rn

[queen dagger]

yeah

[earnest olive]

chances are you can get almost what you paid

[fossil cedar]

^

[earnest olive]

you can squeeze by with 32gb for 4k video editing if you must

but 64gb for optimal experience

[queen dagger]

well i have what the 16 GB kit replaced on my desk, just a 1x8 GB stick of T-Force Vulcan

so i could easily sell mt 16 GB kit

and maybe even sell my current copmuter with the old Ram

although my computer only has a 1650 along with a 3200g

but with the shortages i could be able to get my moneyt back

[earnest olive]

from puget systems (workstation system integrator)

i've been able to edit basic 1080p video with 16gb but not too many effects

[queen dagger]

same with my current computer

[earnest olive]

they are recommending on the safer side

[queen dagger]

yeah

[earnest olive]

if you have the money for 64gb it is worth it

[queen dagger]

ok, maybe i could take the saved money from the SSD and put that into more ram?

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rgBhP6/gskill-aegis-64-gb-4-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16q-64gis

4x16gb 3200 cl16 for $310

not bad at all

[queen dagger]

true, but im trying to keep my budget below $2,000 ish

[rustic flare]

whoever made this case really hates people

[earnest olive]

what case?

[rustic flare]

it's a lian li case i forgot which one exactly

but this bracket next to the mobo

is preventing me from putting the gpu in

[earnest olive]

pic?

[rustic flare]

kk

[earnest olive]

i think rookies can send pics in this channel

but not sure

[queen dagger]

ye we can

[rustic flare]

phone camera scuffed but you can see it

[earnest olive]

are your hands okay

[rustic flare]

listen

anyway hahahaha

I’m pretty sure the only purpose is for cable management

but I don’t have any smaller screwdrivers so I have to wait for my friend later today

[queen dagger]

if your waiting you should defineitly watch LTT on all of your devices

hehe

[rustic flare]

so true

[fossil cedar]

Looks like it might fit unless it's a really long one

But tbh hard to tell

[rustic flare]

it's a 3 fan, it's definitely the only thing blocking it from going in @fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

Hmm okay

Is it an matx case or something?

Doesn't look like it comes out that much but okay

[rustic flare]

no it's just regular atx

[fossil cedar]

Weird my nzxt s340 has a similar cable management thing and it doesn't interfere at all but mb mine is higher up r sum

[earnest olive]

how does a smaller screwdriver help

unscrewing that bracket?

[rustic flare]

yea

[earnest olive]

ah

[rustic flare]

the ones i have rn are too thick

[distant spoke]

My pc was having problems booting and it was the ssd but all I did was put it in another slot it suddenly is even faster than even before I had problems

[earnest olive]

when you ping a mod with filter evade in your message

[distant spoke]

oop

[paper abyss]

is there a way to know which power supply connections I need for my motherboard?

[earnest olive]

aftermarket boards are all standardized

if you have a board from a prebuilt from something like HP or dell it could be different

what motherboard is it

[paper abyss]

MSI Z590 Pro Wifi

[earnest olive]

yeah any ATX power supply will work with that just fine

[paper abyss]

Whew!

[earnest olive]

8 or 8+4pin cpu power, 24pin motherboard power

that's all

[paper abyss]

I'm trying to use pc part picker, but there's soething about EPS connections.

[earnest olive]

ahh don't worry about that

it's a note about the power supply you chose not having 12 pin cpu power

as you can see the board has 12 pins for cpu power (top left circled)

however the extra 4 are totally optional, you will be just fine with 8

more than 8 pins are only needed for extreme (sub-ambient) overclocking

[paper abyss]

K. I want to get an 11 gen cpu, which means extra power, so I was reconsidering the one I had picked out already.

[earnest olive]

the 8 pin is already capable of supplying more power than an 11900K can draw liquid cooled

[paper abyss]

Yeah, I'm just doing a basic fan for now.

[earnest olive]

it would only be a consideration if you were planning to go chilled water at the very least

[paper abyss]

Nope.

Nothin' like that.

[earnest olive]

yeah you'll be fine with 8 pins then

[paper abyss]

Cool

Thanks!

[earnest olive]

no problem

[potent portal]

The extra 4 pins are usually just for extreme OC yeah

Many CPUs can get away with a single 4 pin even

[earnest olive]

8 pin can do 336W under official spec but good power supply cables tend to be overbuilt

yeah you could go as high as a 5800x on 4 pin

not a great idea but you could

almost all modern mobos and psus support 8 pin cpu power though

[rich helm]

nO yOu nEed bOtH eIgHt PiNs FoR yOuR 125w 10600k!!!1!!11!1

[muted patio]

Funny thing, some boards won't boot if both are plugged in XD

[stoic island]

Lol

[rustic flare]

kk i was just a coward

got my gpu in

[little osprey]

anyone know any good prebuilts in the 1300 range

[signal scarab]

go on gamertech theyhave great pre built options

great for pre builts

[little osprey]

kinda pricey

[signal scarab]

its canadian dollars i think

are you look for 1300 american

@little osprey

[little osprey]

yes

[muted patio]

Newegg has some decent ABS units around that price point

[signal scarab]

yeah so on gamertech they use canadian dollars so im sure u can use a computer to see how much it is in american dollars

[little osprey]

do they ship to the us?

[signal scarab]

I believe so

ill ask them

[signal scarab]

Sadly they do not

[little osprey]

damn

[exotic basin]

Prebuilt with ryzen 9 5900x and 3070 for 2399 worth it?

[signal scarab]

id say yes

[stoic island]

Eh

@exotic basin what are you trying to do with it

There's 3080 prebuilts around that price

[exotic basin]

I have another 3070 to mine. And the other for gpu rendering for lightroom photoshop and cpu for AI training

[stoic island]

Meh

[signal scarab]

should I wait till the prices go down for gpus or should i just buy it now

[muted patio]

Prices won't go down for a long while yet

[signal scarab]

So i should buy it

[muted patio]

Depends on what it is and the price

[signal scarab]

2070 super

$2500 CAD

[earnest olive]

chokes

[muted patio]

YIKES NO

[signal scarab]

lol

ik

[earnest olive]

you can buy a 3080 from a scalper for that price

[signal scarab]

well in american dollars that less

[muted patio]

Still no

[earnest olive]

scalpers are selling 3080s for 1850 usd

= 2300 cad

[signal scarab]

2500 dolars cad is like 1800 usd

[muted patio]

In no way shape or form should a 2070 super be purchased for anywhere near that

[earnest olive]

2500 cad is 2000 usd

[signal scarab]

i want mine new tho not used

[earnest olive]

scalpers sell new 3080s for 2300 cad

[muted patio]

It's still not worth anywhere near that

[signal scarab]

wwhere would i fond a scalper

[muted patio]

Wasn't the MSRP like, 600?

[earnest olive]

500

usd

[muted patio]

oofs

[signal scarab]

and demand is a lot higher in canada

so scalpers would prob sell them for more here

[stoic island]

@cursive wharf how's scalper price in Canada

[earnest olive]

no way it's 2300 cad for a 2070 super lmao

[signal scarab]

look on newegg amazon canada

[stoic island]

Hei can probably find a 3080 for 2000 cad lol

[signal scarab]

i also dont really trust amazon with pc parts