building-and-recc-chat

[mighty sapphire]

With Facebook video playing and another screen open so it didn’t fix it

Maybe the graphics card is just bad at this point I don’t know

[wanton cliff]

wdym by 'bad'?

[muted patio]

best Buy dropping right now, GO GO GO!

[wanton cliff]

its not exactly an 'old' GPU

tfw too many ads and pop-ups on BB for me to get that sweet 3080

every few minutes they release, inventory, huh?

[mighty sapphire]

Like maybe it’s defective I don’t know what else to try

[wanton cliff]

I suppose I'll have to be a bit patient

[wanton cliff]

you can try RMAing it

no harm in doing so

[mighty sapphire]

What’s that?

[wanton cliff]

send it back under warranty

[mighty sapphire]

Oh yea that’s what I’m looking at now.

[muted patio]

TRied a different output port on the board?

Sometimes those go bad

[mighty sapphire]

I haven’t I’ll do that now

If it’s really that simple 🤦🏼‍♀️

[wanton cliff]

heres a question

why didnt you ever try that

[mighty sapphire]

Didn’t think of it lol

I went into apex and it didn’t black out but having edge open playing a video and opening chrome it flashes bad still

[muted patio]

Is this a new to you used card you bought?

[mighty sapphire]

Cod is the one it blacked out on bad. So I’m trying to open it but it won’t work half the time because of our router

I got it off Newegg

I think it was new but I’m not sure. It’s the white one with 3 fans

[muted patio]

Just recently/

?

[mighty sapphire]

I think it’s ocd automatic

About a year ago

I think April will be a year we’ve had it. And it was fine at first. The whole computer was built in April or around there so everything was new

The bios that was on it was from 2019

[muted patio]

SO it only flashes using a web browser?

[mighty sapphire]

Yea so far

[muted patio]

Interesting, have you done DDU?

[obsidian mist]

Question about ASUS Prime Z590-A LGA 1200 (Intel 11th/10th Gen) ATX Motherboard: when i try to select a GPU and SSD to go with it, there is nothing available. I assume this means nothing compatible but find that hard to believe. Trying a first build so not confident in just checking it myself for compatibility

[muted patio]

Any GPU and SSD will work

There really aren't any compatibility issues there

[mighty sapphire]

Yea

[muted patio]

Safe Mode DDU or just within Windows?

[mighty sapphire]

Safe mode

[obsidian mist]

why wouldn't any show up then... seems odd, other Z590s are just fine

[muted patio]

What site?

I've never used any kind of compatibility option. It's most likely because the Z590 is brand new

But any SSD and GPU should work with it, whether SATA, M.2 PCI-E etc

Those are pretty universal for a lot of boards

[obsidian mist]

newegg.ca... just putting things through the builder and no options for SSD or GPU

I figured so, but this threw me for a loop. ty

[muted patio]

YW

[wanton cliff]

As I said before though when we had that argument about terminology

dont get anything too slow or too old

[hollow grail]

[rich helm]

:coole:

Sad

That’s not on this server

[mighty sapphire]

Were you asking me that?

[muted patio]

no

[mighty sapphire]

Okay lol I didn’t think so but I figured I’d check

[fast dust]

Hey I need some help with one of my customers builds

They say that sometimes it refuses to turn on and shuts off after a few minutes of use when it does turn on

When they brought it over to my house I had that thing running for a good 3 hours, even played some games on it

But then it gets back and it does it again

Anyone know what could be causing this?

[wanton cliff]

nah fam

[muted patio]

Power strip

[wanton cliff]

do the standard things

[fast dust]

Wdym power strip vintage

[muted patio]

They're using a power strip

[fast dust]

Like a power strip jot giving enough power?

[muted patio]

A cheap crappy one

[fast dust]

Yeah I asked if they were

[muted patio]

or too many other things plugged in

[fast dust]

They said no

[muted patio]

Or they have it next to a heater

They said no

Ask for pics where the PC was installed

And what else is plugged in on the circuit they're using

[fast dust]

Alright just asked them, I’ll wait on a response

[muted patio]

Also ask them EXACTLY what they're doing when it crashes

Attempt to replicate exactly what they do

[fast dust]

Mhm, they said it just randomly happens

[muted patio]

Ask for more details

[limber light]

Does anyone have a cost efficient recommendation got an 850W or 1000W psu? Gonna run an overclocked 5950X + 3090

[muted patio]

Enermax Revolution DF 850W

$129

[fast dust]

Think that could handle both those overclocked though vintage?

[muted patio]

Probably

5950x pulls less power than an Intel CPU

[fast dust]

Doesn’t mean it’s not still power hungry, especially overclocked

[muted patio]

180W

[fast dust]

Hungy

[muted patio]

1000W PSU ain't gonna be cheap

[fast dust]

Yeah

[muted patio]

$319 for Corsair

scalper tho

[fast dust]

Unless you got a Rosewill hive 1000w 😏

[sharp tundra]

What you mean? The HX1200i is $310 from corsaor right now

[muted patio]

RMx1000

Normally $280

[sharp tundra]

Oh, okay

Thought maybe you were talking about the HX1000

Yeah, 1000w psu market is toast from what I hear

[muted patio]

It is toast

most out of stock

[sharp tundra]

Cause everyone thinks they need 1000w for a 3060

[muted patio]

Still, overclocked 5950X at 200W with a 3090 even at 400W is still only 600W

DF 850W will do just fine

[sharp tundra]

Yup

[muted patio]

Enermax Revolution DF 850W

[sharp tundra]

But no one seems to understand how TDP works

[muted patio]

Well

That's because TDP is about heat

NOt power draw

[limber light]

Thanks

[muted patio]

Like, processor TDP only applies to base clock

My 65W TDP CPU will pull 120W OC'd

[limber light]

I was thinking about seasonic

[muted patio]

more expensive. That Enermax is top of the line for $129

Multi rail too

[sharp tundra]

Well yeah, but theoretically you only need to get like maybe 3-400 watts more if you OC

But if not, maybe you just want to chill with that boost clock, if your TDP says 394, then get a 500w

[muted patio]

The numbers I posted were OC

Also, 3-400 more watts overclocked is way too much

At most, ~100W or so

5950X TDp, for example is 105W. With PBO on and overclocked, it will pull ~200W

[sharp tundra]

I was including both cpu and gpu oc

[muted patio]

3090 TDP is 350W, it will pull 450W maybe

[sharp tundra]

That's why I said 3-400w

Oh

[muted patio]

Overclocking doesn't use that much more power tho

[sharp tundra]

Then why people be talking about needing 2 1600w psu for trying to beat clock records on 3090

[muted patio]

Because for those, you can get a custom BIOS that will let the cards pull 1000W 😉

[sharp tundra]

Ah

[muted patio]

But it requires a lot of know how, custom BIOS and physical card mods

And the people who are going to do those types of things typically don't come asking for help about which PSU to get lol

[sharp tundra]

They just like, "oh let me pick up a AX1600i from the local MC right quick

I wish I was rich so I can just build wild PCs and give them away

Like a pc with 4 3090s paired with a 3600

[limber light]

Lol

[hollow grail]

i wish i was rich so i could survive

[sharp tundra]

You run a business tho

[limber light]

I wish I wasnt rich so I could live a normal life without expectations

[potent portal]

Just because you have a business doesn't mean you're rich

[sharp tundra]

I'll gladly take that richness off your hands

[limber light]

I can 100% garuentee you've never been back handed out of your chair by your parents for saying "can't" instead of "cannot"

[sharp tundra]

No but I've had my phone broke over an argument that I wasn't Involved in.

There we go

We just pretend that didn't happen loll

[limber light]

If you take all the stipulations and ecpectations with it (:

[potent portal]

Yep already forgotten

[muted patio]

having money isn't everything

Trust

[limber light]

Imagine your parents firing your favourite teacher because they didnt like his name

[sharp tundra]

I only REALLY trust myself, and it's not that I don't trust others, it's just that I don't feel like others should have to worry about what I got going on, so I don't tell them

[limber light]

It was a "distrustful" name

[quasi hemlock]

I need help, I have been trying to screw in the fan that came with my Ryzen 5 5600x and the screws won't make contact with the threaded holes on the bracket

I've tried doing a diagonal pattern and looked up videos but none seem to answer the problem

[sharp tundra]

Did you take off the AM4 clip bracket?

[quasi hemlock]

like the thing that covers the cpu

[muted patio]

no, the clip down mounting brackets

The bars

[quasi hemlock]

let me check

[sharp tundra]

No, the Mounting hardware that comes on almost every AM4 MOBO

Did you take that off

[quasi hemlock]

let me send a pic

[muted patio]

You also have to hold the bracket from the back side while you install

The back plate

[quasi hemlock]

i did not do that

[muted patio]

that's why then

[sharp tundra]

🤦‍♂️

[muted patio]

have to hold the back plate in place

[quasi hemlock]

I've been enlightened

[sharp tundra]

😇

[muted patio]

It's the little things lol

[sharp tundra]

Hey, at least we wasn't trying to mount a cooler on an AM4 board with LGA hardware

[quasi hemlock]

Actually I’m gonna send a picture anyway because that didn’t change the result

[sharp tundra]

Oof

[muted patio]

I saw a picture of someone that destroyed a board trying to use an aftermarket cooler. The mounting screw went down into the VRM and sparks happened

[sharp tundra]

[muted patio]

pegs aren't sticking up far enough looks like

[sharp tundra]

Ew

[quasi hemlock]

could it be that I have the bracket backwards

[muted patio]

Take off the backplate

[sharp tundra]

Why are you running single channel?

[fast dust]

Nice thermal paste spread

[sharp tundra]

Change it

Now

[muted patio]

Fix one problem first

Then the rest

[quasi hemlock]

tell me what to do first

[muted patio]

Take off the backplate

See if there's anything under it, pegs should be sticking up further I think

[quasi hemlock]

Is it supposed to look like this

[muted patio]

Also, the screws on the cooler are spring loaded

[sharp tundra]

Dod your mobo come with a separate backplate?

[muted patio]

yes, that's fine

looks good

[quasi hemlock]

and that is the black plate right

[muted patio]

Are you trying to screw it on by hand without a screwdriver?

[quasi hemlock]

i'm using a screwdriver

[sharp tundra]

Is the cooler facing the right way?

[quasi hemlock]

I've flipped the cooler and bracket multiple times

[muted patio]

Watch how this guy puts it on https://youtu.be/omNtKUVIChg?t=288

[quasi hemlock]

ok

[muted patio]

SLight angle to line up two holes, start threads then the rest

[sharp tundra]

AMD logo should be flipped to the left towards IO

[uncut wadi]

i need help choosing PC parts for a white build my budget is about $1500

[sharp tundra]

Oh, did your mobo come with cooler stand offs?

Probably didn't but just being sure

[quasi hemlock]

what do they look like

[muted patio]

All you should need is that backplate and the stock cooler

No reason it shouldn't go together

[quasi hemlock]

I'll keep trying it

[sharp tundra]

Put the backplate in from the top, and put the cooler on the back, that may work

Lol

[quasi hemlock]

That is a plan

just not a good one

[muted patio]

$1000 white build less a GPU which will be difficult to find https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YQV7Bc

[sharp tundra]

Don't knock it till you try it

[muted patio]

On the stock cooler, can you push the screws down with it not installed?

[uncut wadi]

@muted patio thanks for the build but im looking for something a bit more powerful

[sharp tundra]

[muted patio]

With a $1500 budget, that's about it

GPU will cost you at least $500-700

So that takes you to $1500 right there

[quasi hemlock]

Yeah, the screws all touch evenly until I screw in the second one

[sharp tundra]

Well hold on, i could probably put so.ething together

[muted patio]

Diagonal or side to side?

[quasi hemlock]

diagonal

[muted patio]

Try side to side

Like, same side left and right

more powerful? here you go. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4D27Bc

[quasi hemlock]

It's always the exact same screw

the one to the left of the AMD logo

[muted patio]

So do all of them but that one?

It may also be damaged

[quasi hemlock]

would it matter if I don't do that one

[muted patio]

yes lol

Need all of them for good CPU contact and cooling

Something else to try is to take the back plate off and screw the cooler to it without the motherboard to make sure all the threads are good

[quasi hemlock]

yeah

[muted patio]

After you start one screw, are you pressing down lightly on the cooler to flatten it out and line up the other screw?

[quasi hemlock]

no

should I

[muted patio]

Try that

LIGHTLY press

not a lot of force lol

[sharp tundra]

@uncut wadi https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zK4nqp

@muted patio isn't that gpu $900

The asus white edition

[muted patio]

That was the point. To show that more HP would need more money

[uncut wadi]

@sharp tundra how about cpu cooler

[muted patio]

Your build is identical to mine less the GPU

XD

[sharp tundra]

I changed the case too lol

[muted patio]

Which I left open because white GPU's are spendy

[quasi hemlock]

@muted patio I did it without the board and it worked perfectly

[muted patio]

Ok then

get one screw started then use light pressure to press the CPU cooler down and align a diagonal screw

[sharp tundra]

@uncut wadi better? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FhgJXb

[uncut wadi]

@sharp tundra thanks for the help

[muted patio]

Why that samsung drive?

Super overpriced

Mushkin Pilot E, $109, same speeds

[sharp tundra]

PeRfOrMaNcE

[muted patio]

Mushkin has the same performance

[sharp tundra]

😉

[quasi hemlock]

@muted patio the side I start screwing always connects then the opposite side never does

[muted patio]

Lightly push down on the cooler to line it up

[sharp tundra]

Are you screwing it in all the way before putting in the other screw?

[muted patio]

Samsung drives are overpriced and should never be purchased lol

[quasi hemlock]

no

[sharp tundra]

Take that back

[muted patio]

No

I will not

Because it's true

[sharp tundra]

Okay

What about the 980 pro

[muted patio]

What about it?

[sharp tundra]

It's the same price as the mp600 pro, and the sn850

[muted patio]

overpriced, gen 4 is pointless

[sharp tundra]

7000 read and 5000 write is pointless?

[muted patio]

yes

Boot times and load times wont change

bet

[sharp tundra]

bet

[muted patio]

Also, just saying, $150 https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Internal-Extreme-Performance-SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB/dp/B07TLYWMYW

[sharp tundra]

When I get my 980pro, I'll compare it to my 970 evo, I'll download the same game on both drives, open them at the same time, and then I'll see which one opens faster

[muted patio]

Unless you're doing content creation where drive speed is a must have, you'll never notice Gen 3 vs Gen 4

[uncut wadi]

well this is kinda what im looking for im going to be selling my old pc parts except case and storage

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zDcqJf

[muted patio]

Ram is slow

the GPU doesn't have a price and is $900

Which makes your build $2400

[muted patio]

Don't need to, benchmarks have been done

[sharp tundra]

Seems alright to me

[uncut wadi]

if not ill settle with 3070

[muted patio]

https://www.techspot.com/review/2116-storage-speed-game-loading/

[muted patio]

You want max performance yet are using slow ram with the AMD. Should at least be 3600

Which does make a difference in FPS and load times

[uncut wadi]

@muted patio thanks for the help

[sharp tundra]

Drives matter too🙄

[muted patio]

Not really

Check the benchmarks I posted

Gen 4 vs Gen 3, no difference

[uncut wadi]

i dont know much so if you have anytips let me know

[muted patio]

No.

[sharp tundra]

I don't see the 980 pro on there

[muted patio]

It's not going to matter

[sharp tundra]

Or the mp600 pro

Or the sn850

[muted patio]

Again, won't matter

There are Gen 4 drives there

and Gen 3

Same loading times

[muted patio]

Ok, fine. Your Gen 4 drive gets beat by a Gen 3.

[sharp tundra]

Fake news

[hollow grail]

p31 is pog

[muted patio]

Gen 4 over rated

[hollow grail]

gen4 stupip

[sharp tundra]

Okay, so not because I still think gen 4 is faster, but find benchmarks for mp600 pro and sn850

[hollow grail]

lililabs uses gen3 ssds

[sharp tundra]

You try and plug every chance you get🙃

[hollow grail]

[muted patio]

Should we summon windshields?

XD

[hollow grail]

im throwing together a really ugly somewhat functional site while i wait for devs

[wanton cliff]

@mental steeple

bet

Windshields, yell at Nomad

#building-and-recc-chat message

[sharp tundra]

Huh

[mental steeple]

PCIE 4.0 is just a higher bandwith PCIE standard

slapping support for it onto your SSD doesn't magically make it faster

[mental steeple]

LOL

Load times are going to differ like

between 3 seconds ish max on nand based SSDs

[muted patio]

or not at all https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/589689072692494356/820010021097701406/missing-image.png

[desert gulch]

p31 so good

[mental steeple]

lol p31 worship is real

no one mention that the og sx8200 pro was faster 😎

[desert gulch]

not faster than p31

[mental steeple]

it literally was

lol

not anymore

but it was

[desert gulch]

oh lol

case we care about 2/10 of a second

[mental steeple]

was referring to overall performance

not game loading times

[muted patio]

That's because was before ADATA pulled some garbage

[mental steeple]

meh

adata pulled a "happens fairly frequently in the industry"

didn't communicate it well

made a bunch of redditors angry

[muted patio]

They got caught

is all

[mental steeple]

they didn't really like

[sharp tundra]

Gen 4 good, gem 3 bad 🙉

[mental steeple]

commit a crime though

the drive still meets its advertised spec so

it's not false advertising

all it does is skew reviews but this happens every time SSD componentry changes

the thing about the sx8200 pro is that it changes ridiculously often

points towards the possibility that this is some inner supply struggle with adata

and isn't them trying to scam consoomers

[muted patio]

O, I doubt they're trying to scam also

[mental steeple]

drive still performs fine otherwise

it's about on par with pilot-E, MP34, etc right now

[muted patio]

And changing every website their stuff is listed on isn't realistic

[mental steeple]

sx8200 pro has schrodingers nand

it's gonna be shipping with Z-nand one of these days

[fast dust]

@muted patio he doesnt have it connected to a power strip at all and it happens randomly, when watching a video, when on the desktop, when playing a game

[muted patio]

SCHRODINGERS NAND!!

[desert gulch]

helix L 1tb is 94 USD rn, so pretty pog

[mental steeple]

decent

[muted patio]

Pilot E faster

[desert gulch]

yeah

[stoic island]

they keep going beyond the realm of science

[mental steeple]

they don't compete

ll

[desert gulch]

pilot e more expensive tho right?

[mental steeple]

ol

yep

[stoic island]

qubits are 0 or 1 or 1 and 0

[mental steeple]

they both occupy different price tiers

[desert gulch]

like 110 last i heard

[stoic island]

sx8200 pro has like 10 different possibilities

[sharp tundra]

Sn850 pog

[mental steeple]

lol

redditors thinking that the sx8200 pro is worse than the sn550 now

[muted patio]

$20 more, just do it. Skip your starbucks and McDonalds for a day

[sharp tundra]

Mp600pro pog

[stoic island]

it's a sn550 in real perf, the latest one, afaik

[sharp tundra]

980pro pog

[stoic island]

(non-seq)

[mental steeple]

"nooo they changed the controller i dont know what it was or what they switched it to but it's as bad as the sn550 now"

[desert gulch]

980-non-pro is the non pog

[mental steeple]

not even close

it's not possible

[stoic island]

I need to check again

all I remember was huge drop in perf in the chart

[mental steeple]

an sm2263+generic 3d TLC drive will outperform the sn550

[muted patio]

The only reason gen 4 drives exist is so people can brag they spent moneys for a number

[mental steeple]

an sm2262+whatever schrodingers 3d TLC adata uses will stomp on the ladder

when is the PCIE 4.0 3dxpoint going to be in

[desert gulch]

yo windshields you a pilot?

[mental steeple]

yep

[stoic island]

lets see

[desert gulch]

so cool

[sharp tundra]

Teach me to fly?

[desert gulch]

prolly not a cfi

idk

[stoic island]

back to the decent controller?

but sandisk nand

[mental steeple]

lol they went back to the EN

[mental steeple]

LOL

there's barely a difference between sm2262 and en

it's like comparing 3700x to 3800x

or 10850k to 10900k

[mental steeple]

not qualified for that sir

[stoic island]

iirc the 2262g had worth perf at lower whateveritscalled

something depth

[sharp tundra]

Wut u meen?

[stoic island]

read depth

whatever it's called

[mental steeple]

DOESNT MATTER

[stoic island]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[mental steeple]

que depth?

doesn't matter

[stoic island]

prob

1k 4k 32k thingy

[mental steeple]

from what i understand sm2262 is actually more consistent in some regards compared to

[mental steeple]

1k

SSDs can't address 1kb chunks but OK GAMER

4KB is the smallest you can address

4KB is a sub page

4kb in a page

i mean

16kb in a page

ok so like

you know how

traditionally

nand is only page addressible right?

like

if you google it\

"bro you can only address nand by the page"

it's wrong

you can address 4kb sub pages

for reasons

unknown

because on 3d nand a page is just a bunch of cells sharing a word line

where as on planar nand i believe it is the cells sharing a bit line

which on 3d nand is what we call a string

MAKE SENSE

?!?!??!

[pliant lake]

do you know what a paragraph is?

[muted patio]

It's windshields lol

XD

[lyric thistle]

Where's the hard drive platter on the ssd?

[sharp tundra]

I want a phome case that has expandable storage via NVMe

[austere vale]

Wow.

[muted patio]

In the SCHRODINGERS NAND

[lyric thistle]

Off to see the wizard then

[mental steeple]

no im talking about pages not paragraphs

SSDs cant address paragraphs

[lyric thistle]

To find the coveted nand

[mental steeple]

but

is a paragraph a sub-page?

🤔

a sub-page just describes anything that's smaller than a page

so

yes

a paragraph would be a sub-page

and a super-page is multiple pages

[austere vale]

I think they meant stop spamming three word comments and write more in each reply..

[mental steeple]

what do you mean

i can type faster than i think im sorry

[austere vale]

Lol all good.

[desert gulch]

he has to be certified to teach ppl to help you get pilots liscence

technically could teach oyu how to fly, just those hours wouldnt go towards anything

[muted patio]

It's not a problem

[mental steeple]

do you want to know how a VOR works

[muted patio]

I think like that too sometimes

[desert gulch]

sure

[mental steeple]

google it

[desert gulch]

ok

[mental steeple]

😎

[austere vale]

Is it a rule all pilots must wear aviator sunglasses?

[muted patio]

Yes

[desert gulch]

yes

[muted patio]

I'm pretty sure that's in the FAR handbook

[austere vale]

What happens if you turn up wearing $2 petrol station sunglasses?

[muted patio]

They revoke your license

[austere vale]

Fascinating. All those hours down the drain..

😋

Does the test include at least one take off while danger zone is playing?

[desert gulch]

vintage you fly?

[muted patio]

Once upon a time

[desert gulch]

how many hours you have total?

[muted patio]

P3 cub and Cessna 150

i forget

[desert gulch]

ooh nice

[muted patio]

Was 20 years ago

[desert gulch]

tiny planez

[muted patio]

Scared the crap out of myself so bad I never got back into it

[desert gulch]

scared of heights?

[austere vale]

Did you have a close call?

[muted patio]

Very close

Almost ended up a smoking hole in the ground

[desert gulch]

oof

loss of control type of thing?

[muted patio]

no, practicing stalls

Ended up in a spin

[desert gulch]

yikes

[muted patio]

very bad

Stupid mistake

[desert gulch]

ive done that before too

lol

luckily was in a cub so was easy to recover

[muted patio]

ASI was in the yellow close to red

[desert gulch]

vintage you should get a diamond plane

[muted patio]

Took me 3-4 tries to land

After that I just never went back

[desert gulch]

those diamond planes have rly nice wings

that make it rly hard to spin

like a da62 or sumthin

closest call i had was a ton of sink on landing

was full flaps

[muted patio]

Gotta get certified for a twin though

[desert gulch]

all the back on yoke

yup

i just about slammed the plane into the ground lol

perfect approach ruined by stupid sink

going plenty fast too

[muted patio]

I probably should take up flying again but motorcycle racing now

[desert gulch]

yeah

maybe some day ill get my own plane and we can hang out lol

[muted patio]

i still have my logbook somewhere

and my headset

and calculators

[desert gulch]

nice

this is my dream plane lol

[muted patio]

nice

[desert gulch]

almost as good off field as a cub

and like 1/3 the price

[sharp tundra]

When people say that want a plane^^^

[desert gulch]

lol yup

[sharp tundra]

When I say I want a plane

[potent portal]

Those jumbos are far more trouble than they're worth

[desert gulch]

mhmm

unless you plan on taking a ton of ppl places

[sharp tundra]

Sorry that's incorrect

This is what I want

[desert gulch]

mpg per person is better in a plane than a one person in a car

[potent portal]

A Learjet makes a good private jet

[desert gulch]

gulfstream too

citation pog aswell

[sharp tundra]

But is I wanted a nice single man aircraft, this would be it

[wanton cliff]

gronsk

british flag

[rich helm]

America 🇺🇸

[sharp tundra]

Well, I didn't see that

Anyways

Anything made by Lockheed Martin, I would probably want

Too bad all the stuff they make anymore is not available to civilians market and is considered Classified

[lyric thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/airplane-fly-travel-happy-excited-gif-5686712

[wanton cliff]

but muh medicinal M1A1 Abrams

[sharp tundra]

The gear ratio for that prop must be like 1:1000000 for how heavy that flying box is

[sharp tundra]

I want one so bad

[lyric thistle]

Kid has infinite torque

[wanton cliff]

According to the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution I am allowed to own and use a Hellfire Missile

as well as an A-10 Warthog

[sharp tundra]

Spitfire is a classic

[wanton cliff]

I must protect against GOVERNMENT TYRRANY

[austere vale]

I like the sound of the engine on the spitfires

[sharp tundra]

I like their design

Real sleek for their time

[wanton cliff]

I like how ** I C O N I C** they are

[sharp tundra]

Amd the folding wings😍

[austere vale]

They are a beautiful piece of engineering hey

[stoic island]

@mental steeple Wait, how exactly does addressing sub-pages work? iirc you can only address everything that's on the bit line, no way to just cut it off and read it..?

It's not like stuff like DINOR literally has divided bit line in the name

it's just NAND

[sharp tundra]

Bootyful

Wait

That ain't the right prop

[stoic island]

tryna remember

[sharp tundra]

😤

[stoic island]

iirc it's the bit line that's controlled by voltage that you can get the data from reading the threshold voltage in each cell to determine what the content of the cell is right?

[rich helm]

Is this plane chat now

[stoic island]

@mental steeple or am I going crazy again

[sharp tundra]

4 blade props are better fpr stability but are slower?

Unlike 3 blad props that are sped

[sharp tundra]

Yes

[wanton cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abN3Z9pVbL4&list=PLle7OxadfgYBFNdfbX0v8EcaW8Ei4uSqJ&index=34

yes it does

[lyric thistle]

We still talking about gorgeous planes

https://youtu.be/HL5nNxoRXsc

https://youtu.be/RhyiU_vsq0U

[jaunty nacelle]

any tips on how to get a 1660s

[lyric thistle]

Money

[alpine thunder]

@wanton cliff @muted patio

[wanton cliff]

what

[alpine thunder]

So remember how I RMA'd my board right?

[wanton cliff]

yeah?

[alpine thunder]

Well I just got it back today and the issue still exists

[rich helm]

Pinging a veteran and a mod assist in one message, pretty brave

[little osprey]

OLLOLOLOLOOLOLLOLOLOLOLO

[alpine thunder]

They just ppl to me man

Makes no difference

[little osprey]

RMA and issue still exists

[alpine thunder]

It's awful dude. Them 2 put alot of effort into trying to help me

So I owe them alot, but now idk wtf to do

[balmy patio]

tbh just wait until prices come down in the used market, i don't think nvidia is still manufacturing them

[lyric thistle]

Ping pong

https://tenor.com/view/pong-video-game-atari-tennis-70s-gif-16894549

[jaunty nacelle]

maybe ill just get a laptop instead

[little osprey]

What was problem?

Sorry

what is problem

[alpine thunder]

No display

[little osprey]

kek

GPU?

[alpine thunder]

You were there for it to mando

[desert gulch]

sure its not gpu?

[little osprey]

Yeah i slightly remember

[alpine thunder]

They had me send videos of everything

The gpu is fine

Threw it in another system and no issue

[desert gulch]

you try ram stuff?

like taking a stick out?

[rich helm]

Tried different pci slot

?

[alpine thunder]

So I thought thought mobo was the problem, and according to ASUS it isnt

[desert gulch]

try dif pcie slot

[alpine thunder]

I only have 1 slot

[desert gulch]

as worst said

oh oof

[rich helm]

Are you using a riser?

[alpine thunder]

Itx x570 strix

[desert gulch]

you try switching ram around?

[alpine thunder]

I am using a riser

[little osprey]

What GPU/

?

[alpine thunder]

In the Deepcool Tristellar

[desert gulch]

that may be the problem

[little osprey]

No what GPU

[alpine thunder]

Msi rx570

[balmy patio]

set the slot to pcie 3.0 instead of 4.0

[rich helm]

That’s probably the problem

[desert gulch]

mhmm

[alpine thunder]

I cant even get the thing to display

[desert gulch]

try it without riser

[alpine thunder]

Just a black screen

[rich helm]

Take mobo out of case amd use without riser

[alpine thunder]

I tried without the riser, plugging directly into the board and still no display

[rich helm]

Oh ok

[alpine thunder]

Only things I can think of are RAM, or CPU

[rich helm]

Is it mini itx board I’m assuming?

[alpine thunder]

But both or fine from the looks of them

[little osprey]

are you able to change ram?

[alpine thunder]

Yes mini itx boars

I can swap the 2 slots they are in but thats it

Problem still persists

[balmy patio]

have you tried it outside the case?

[rich helm]

Do you have ram from another pc that you could try in slots

[alpine thunder]

No but if it comes down to it I'll get more ram to test it out

It's 2x16 DDr4 4000mhz gskill trident

[rich helm]

You said you tested card in another pc where is that

[little osprey]

Uhhh

No boot

at all?

[alpine thunder]

They cycle through rgb and everything and seem fine

[little osprey]

Nonononnoo

no boot right

[alpine thunder]

Other pc is at a friend's dorm

The pc turns on

[rich helm]

Snatch his ram

[alpine thunder]

Just no display

[little osprey]

Can you get into bios?

[alpine thunder]

Working on it

Cannot get to bios cuz no display

[little osprey]

Its the ram

you try clearing CMOS battery yet?

[alpine thunder]

Yup

Actually

Sara and vintage both forced me to do that

[little osprey]

Yeah i would figure

Im thinking its definitely the ram though

you only try 1 stick each yet?

[alpine thunder]

Is it RMA RAM?

[little osprey]

No

[alpine thunder]

And I have not tried 1 stick yet

[little osprey]

Try 1 stick

[alpine thunder]

I will when I get back

I'm already in the car on the way to the other side of campus

[rich helm]

Like, stick 1 in slot 1, then stick 1 in slot 2, then repeat for other stick

[little osprey]

Is the ram default 4000mhz or do you have to set it

[alpine thunder]

I'm bout to rob this dude of his memory

[alpine thunder]

You have to set it

[rich helm]

Nice

[alpine thunder]

I'll be back guys

I'll ping you when I return

Thanks for the assist

Fingers crossed on this one

[little osprey]

Originally thought the ram isn't a high enough bin to run 4000mhz but now its likely just bad ram

[jaunty nacelle]

any good $1k usd builds that you can actually buy rn

[mental steeple]

pages don't come off the bit line

a page is a row of cells which share a word line on 3d-nand

on planar nand (the traditional diagram) i BELIEVE what we call a string on 3d nand (a row of cells coming off of a bit line) is a page

on 3D nand a page is a 16kb row of cells which share a word line

which is then split it into 4kb chunks called sub-pages

[cursive wharf]

subpages stayed 4kb on NAND cuz that's what HDDs use for data blocks or smth

[stoic island]

hm, so it's the other line?

Is the bit line or the word line the line which increases or decreases the voltage for the data to be available to be read?

[mental steeple]

hmmmmmmmmm

[mental steeple]

word line controls control gate

allowing current to pass through

[stoic island]

what does bit line do then..?

I thought one adjusted voltage, one let current and data through

am bad with nand

[wanton mauve]

should i get a 1tb ssd or a 4tb hdd for my steam library

[desert gulch]

How much do you need

[wanton cliff]

We answered this for him already

He’s posting in multiple channels

[desert gulch]

ohhh ok

[rancid lodge]

Mmm okay so I need some Rgeebee support, I have a x570 tuf gaming pro with two RGB headers and one “aura addressable RGB header”, I have a i150 AIO with it’s RGB commander, I have 3 (will have 4) SP RGB Pro fans, I have the AIO pump’s RGB (which I believe just works via the pump controller) and I have my case’s RGB on the front panel

Should I be able to fit all that in those three RGB headers?

And does it matter which one I put in the gen 2 ARGB header

[desert gulch]

you could get a hub

may be easier than trying to cable manage and control a bunch of stuff individually

[rancid lodge]

The i150 and the three fans both came with hubs

[desert gulch]

ohh ok

[rancid lodge]

I mean I’m building the thing rn lol

[potent portal]

The two 4 pin RGB headers are 12v and the one with the missing pin is the aRGB at 5v, it very much matters which you use

[rancid lodge]

Alright what’s the difference between the two

The two can just control the color and the other one can enable it to control patterns of the colors?

[potent portal]

The aRGB things tend to be more customizable, like individual LEDs instead of the entire thing

[rancid lodge]

Okay yeah, wish it had more of those...

[potent portal]

If you had a controller you can use that one aRGB header for everything

[rancid lodge]

So for now could I just hook up all 6 of the fans (the 3 ones from the AIO and the 3 case ones) into one hub? They look to be the same

I have one fan more coming though so

[potent portal]

Yeah if all the connectors are the same it should work if there's room in the hub

[rancid lodge]

Mhm I’ll see if they connect

Okay yeah the AIO fan hub works with the case fan RGB connectors

So for the rear exhaust fan it won’t have enough room to go into a hub ig

Probably just hook it up on a normal RGB, as for the front of my case I can still probably manually adjust it

[desert scarab]

Yoo

[desert gulch]

yooooo

[desert scarab]

I need help rq

[desert gulch]

i cant for long

leaving my house in 10 minutes

but if you have a quick question i can answer

[desert scarab]

Is it ok if the mobo isn’t screwed in all the holes in the case

[muted patio]

yes

[desert gulch]

yeah

only like 2 are needed needed

[desert scarab]

like some of the holes in the mobo I can’t screw in

[desert gulch]

id do like 4

[desert scarab]

No stand off

[desert gulch]

bruh

[muted patio]

Oh

[desert scarab]

I did 4

[desert gulch]

standoffs are in wrong spots?

[muted patio]

yeah

Might wanna double check those lol

[desert gulch]

move them then if you can

[muted patio]

Or install them

;))

[desert gulch]

yea

[desert scarab]

does it matter?? I already have like 4 screwed in in close to four corners

[desert gulch]

4 is easily enough to hold a mobo still

[muted patio]

It might

If they're in the wrong spot

Might short the board out

[desert gulch]

mhmm

[muted patio]

Missing is fine

Wrong spot is not

[desert gulch]

are there any unused standoffs back behind your mobo?

you cant get to?

[desert scarab]

let me unscrew the mobo off

[desert gulch]

ok

try to get the wrong spot ones out

if you can

try fingers, if not crescent wrench or something would work

[desert scarab]

How I know it’s in wrong spot?

My case supports all sizes mobo

[muted patio]

next to the standoffs it will be labeled

[desert gulch]

they can be in wrong spots

[muted patio]

Something like ATX or M

[desert gulch]

yeah

[muted patio]

Depending on the board format you have, the holes need to be filled appropriately

[desert gulch]

if you couldnt screw into it with the mobo installed, take it out

[desert scarab]

I hold

[desert gulch]

ight cyall later

[desert scarab]

Could

[desert gulch]

going skiing now

[desert scarab]

have fun :>

[desert gulch]

thx 🙂

[scenic quiver]

It has arrived! Damn that was fast. Ordered Wednesday night.. now to gather my strength and attempt this bios update.

[potent portal]

Awesome! Liquid cooling probably OP for that processor but it'll look sweet

[scenic quiver]

i put the same AIO on the work pc i built, and that pc likes it.

[foggy briar]

What would lot lot say the average cost of watercooling a gpu is?

[potent portal]

Not much point watercooling just one part, might as well go full loop at that point. About $700.
What GPU are you asking about though? If it's a 3070 there's probably not any water blocks and your problems can be solved by thermal pads anyway.

[scenic quiver]

I used to think EK waterblocks stayed on top of new cards release water block production. may have changed with the covid crap.

[potent portal]

It's not so much that as they don't typically make mid and low tier card blocks like the XX70 or below

[cursive wharf]

GPU liquid cooling be like $300

actually more like $250

[potent portal]

For a basic block (if one exists for that card), radiator, pump, fittings, and reservoir? $300?

[cursive wharf]

$225
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32899782878.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.5cf562285UYWPR

Dont overpay on EK bs

pay another $30 or smth for a 360mm upgrade (done on request)

wait lol, CPU+GPU block barely more then GPU block only

with 360mm rad

[foggy briar]

Was just gonna use a aio for the cpu

[foggy briar]

AliExpress don't count

[cursive wharf]

GPU AIOs kinda meh rn until nice brackets come out

[cursive wharf]

Dont see why not, pay another $25 and get it from Formulamod site

It's about the company (Bykski, Barrow, Bitspower, etc)

[potent portal]

Yeah there's not really any good 30 series brackets and full blocks aren't very available on mid tier stuff.
What GPU was it though, including model?

[foggy briar]

AliExpress is like shopping in a Indian corner store instead of a supermarket ...

[cursive wharf]

Aliexpress is just chinese Amazon

[foggy briar]

AliExpress is like wish.com

[cursive wharf]

lol no

[foggy briar]

Lol yes

[cursive wharf]

wish is for scams, Aliexpress isnt

I've bought probably $1k of watercooling stuff off Aliexpress now

[potent portal]

Ali Express is fine, I've gotten things from there before, just know what you're buying

[cursive wharf]

four loops

It's all about the seller, just like it is with eBay

or Amazon

[foggy briar]

I'm not waiting 4 month to get my order and for it to end up at my neighbours house designated in shipping

[potent portal]

Anyway, you still didn't answer which GPU it was so we can tell you if it's even possible to water cool it

[cursive wharf]

then wait 21 - 28 days

that's about how long you'll wait for shipping from China

[foggy briar]

I live in the uk it’s gonna get lost over sea anyway

[muted patio]

NSXT makes brackets for a lot of GPU's to use their AIO's with them, might be an option

[foggy briar]

And if I want a gpu to replace a fire pit I’d let u know

[cursive wharf]

nzxt makes fine brackets

[muted patio]

What does a bad PCI-E bracket have to do with an AIO?

[cursive wharf]

not 30 series compatible tho

[foggy briar]

I don’t like that brand

[muted patio]

That's fine

[cursive wharf]

[muted patio]

Doesn't mean they don't make some good stuff tho

[foggy briar]

Nah have any nzxt components takes away u flex/bragging rights for anything u have

[cursive wharf]

no?

[foggy briar]

Yes

[potent portal]

And yet we still don't know what GPU you have to figure out if this is even worth discussing

[cursive wharf]

AIO cooled 20 series was the best you could do

g12 + lapped 280mm AIO or x63 with replaced fans was very, very good

almost best cooling for Turing apart from dry ice/LN2

[foggy briar]

Nzxt is a budget brand

[stoic island]

Uh

Uhhh

Uhhhhhh

[cursive wharf]

Inb4 you say Kingpin is trash

[stoic island]

Kp cooling pot time?

[foggy briar]

Ok let me put it like this if u want the chipset and most decent case what case would u get

[potent portal]

I'm halfway convinced he's trying to troll us now

[stoic island]

Most decent case?

What

[cursive wharf]

Im more concerned about what the chipset has to do with this

[stoic island]

Maybe form factor?

[foggy briar]

What r u going on about

[muted patio]

What does a chipset have to do with NZXT?

[cursive wharf]

the one/two mobos nzxt showed off?

[muted patio]

Also, some of their power supplies are TIer A, which are good NZXT | C-series - H1 / NP-S-M

Just trying to figure out what you're asking so we can answer

[foggy briar]

Oops I meant to type cheapest

[muted patio]

metallic Gear Neo

Pretty nice case for $50

[cursive wharf]

while nzxt as a company is 💩 , that doesnt change the quality of their nice products

[foggy briar]

Everyone just has this Cus it’s cheep

[muted patio]

it's not cheap tho

it's like, $80

[foggy briar]

There u go cheap

[muted patio]

nah, this is cheap and a better case

$50 https://metallicgear.com/products/Neo-Air-White

and actually flows air XD

Just because something is expensive doesn't make it good either

[potent portal]

No, people buy it because they think it looks cool and they don't know about the problems it has

[muted patio]

Metalic gear even comes with straps for cable management preinstalled

[potent portal]

That's a nice feature, I might look at that one for a build for a friend

[muted patio]

It's my new go to cheapo case

They're honestly really nice

[foggy briar]

It really doesn’t it looks like one of them really old cases from early 2000 and they just added a glass panel

[potent portal]

3/4 convinced

[scenic quiver]

im double checking my stuff, and verifying that i'm doing this right. I have the msi mpg b550 gaming plus mobo, and i downloaded bios update: "7C56v15". This is the update I need, correct? Since the most newest other than that one is a beta version.

[muted patio]

Yes

[rancid lodge]

Anyone know if this would work? I’ve got SP RGB pro fans and i150 fans going into the i150 hub

Both of them fit in the fan slot and have the same RGB connector

[muted patio]

That may not control fan speeds with 3 pin fans

They might run at 100% speed, I'm not completely sure

[potent portal]

Yeah not sure if the controller does DC mode instead of PWM detection

[muted patio]

Not going to hurt anythig so you'll know when you start it up

[potent portal]

It'll "work" at least

[scenic quiver]

bios flash button LED indicator is lit red. it's blinked several times at teh start of me pushing the button, and I saw my USB being accessed because it has a light on it also. but now, usb isn't lit, and the bios flash button indicator light is just steady red. how long should I wat before freaking out about bricking my mobo?

[cursive wharf]

is the controller input a 4pin?

[potent portal]

If it was flashing before, solid light probably means done. What board exactly? I'll check the manual

[muted patio]

The LED will be turned off when the process is complete

[scenic quiver]

msi mpg b550 gaming plus

folowed the update to a 'T'.

[muted patio]

id you rename the BIOS file?

MSI.ROM

[scenic quiver]

to MSI.ROM yes i did, and placed it in root of usb

[potent portal]

Yep what Vintage said, it'll turn off when done

[muted patio]

Manual doens't mention anything about a solid lit LED tho

I'm searching

[scenic quiver]

no it doesn't the manual is very vague.

[muted patio]

Solid red means the flash failed

[scenic quiver]

oh joy. $130 bricked mobo now.

[muted patio]

No

It's not bricked

don't panic lol

Stand by

[potent portal]

Probably not. But yay troubleshooting flashback x2

[muted patio]

Is the CPU installed?

[scenic quiver]

negatice.

[muted patio]

Perfect

[scenic quiver]

nothing but ATX power and CPU power is installed

[muted patio]

Shut it off, remove the flash drive

Did you format the drive first?

[scenic quiver]

by 'shut it off' i assume flip the switch on PSU?

[muted patio]

yeah

[scenic quiver]

I did using some program msi recommended.

[muted patio]

Renaming program?

[scenic quiver]

no, it was Rufus program

[muted patio]

Anyway, put the USB drive into a working PC and do the following
Open file explorer and right click on This PC on the left side then right click on your USB drive then click on Format
Select FAT32 filesystem
Tick in the quick formatting to finish fast
Leave the rest of the settings on default
Click Format
Copy the MSI.ROM file to the USB

Oh

[scenic quiver]

I did all that previously.

[muted patio]

Try it again, if it still fails try a different USB drive

[scenic quiver]

using a 2gb usb drive cause I read that some larger than 16gb stick dont act right,

[muted patio]

If you have another drive, might be worth a shot. I'm reading a post where the user had the same light as you did

[scenic quiver]

the other drives I have are 16gb drives =/

[muted patio]

16 GB is fine

As long as it's not bigger than 32 GB

[scenic quiver]

alrighty. i'll reformat a new drive and try this again.

[muted patio]

👍

If the light stays on and is SOLID don't worry about powering down, it just means flash failed and no harm done

The BIOS file you renamed

[scenic quiver]

yes?

[muted patio]

Just a sec

did it include numbers at the end like E7C02AMS.350

[scenic quiver]

it did.

[muted patio]

or was it just the file name with no extension?

Ok good

carry on

[cosmic basin]

Hi new here not sure if this would be the right chat spot but wondering if there is a good prebuilt for video editing, illustrator and photoshop that can handle 3 monitors thanks in advance

[fossil cedar]

Budget?

[cosmic basin]

Under a 1000$ would be good if possible

[fossil cedar]

Ohh that's gonna run those things quite slow for only 1000

[cosmic basin]

Any suggestions

[alpine thunder]

@little osprey @rich helm

Its the RAM

[little osprey]

Figured

[alpine thunder]

Even though the RGB lights up and they look perfectly fine

Apparently they are dead

[little osprey]

is even 1 stick good?

[alpine thunder]

So im just gonna send these back as well and wait for a new set

Not even 1 stick

I tried each stick in each slot

Nothing

[brittle pagoda]

who is good in build pc please dm me !

[fossil cedar]

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/dell-g5-gaming-desktop/spd/g-series-5000-desktop/gd5090g530s?configurationid=2ee7c6ae-2c9d-41c1-a2bf-bf7333069048 this should do fine, it's 1100 but there's a code atm at the top of the page, save 17%, there could be better options but i cba looking at loads of different oem builds

[cosmic basin]

@fossil cedar thanks do you know would this run 3 monitors sorry far better artist than tech guy haha

[pliant lake]

it will, maximum of 4 monitors.

[potent portal]

That's not a terrible deal if you can get past the brand name

[cosmic basin]

@pliant lake thanks

[scenic quiver]

anyone used rufus? What should "cluster size" be when formatting a usb drive?

[cosmic basin]

@potent portal haha does the name brand matter

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

[muted patio]

I wouldn't use Rufus to format a drive

Just right cllick the drive in Windows and choose Format

Actually, that desktop is running in single channel mode

Single 16 GB stick

[fossil cedar]

Yeah, that 17% code makes it something like 920 instead of 1100

[potent portal]

Brand kinda matters, I (and several others) don't like Dell for various reasons

[muted patio]

Just right click the drive in Windows Explorer and choose Format

[scenic quiver]

I did, assuming ticking "quick format" is irrelevant?

[muted patio]

Make sure you choose the dual channel option

[cosmic basin]

@fossil cedar thank you

[muted patio]

Quick format is fine but not necessary

[cosmic basin]

@potent portal what’s the brand problem

[muted patio]

Dell tends to use proprietary parts making upgrades a PITA