building-and-recc-chat

[urban dove]

Hi

[brittle tinsel]

So anyway back to the gpu thing, do I just plug the second gpu in and it works or what?

[brittle tinsel]

#general-chat bro

[muted patio]

For nVenc encoding?

Don't hook a display to it, should work

[brittle tinsel]

No, for separate display

[brittle tinsel]

Wait why?

[muted patio]

For encoding

[wanton cliff]

you dont need another display for an encoder

[muted patio]

Why do you need a separate GPU for a disply? Most have multiple out puts

Just assign nVenc encoding to that GPU in OBS

[olive kraken]

*when you have enough money to buy a prebuilt with a 3070 but the DIYer in you keeps telling you that you'll snipe a 3070 and build your system for cheaper

I cry

[brittle tinsel]

Yeah but I don’t know if a 30 series could have my game, my chat and discord open 3 1080p monitors and a 800x480 hardware monitor

While streaming

[urban dove]

I hate that chat

[brittle tinsel]

My 1060 3gb struggled with that

[muted patio]

Yeah it will

It'll be fine lol

Mine does dual 1440p no problem

[urban dove]

No it s not

[muted patio]

So 1080p be fine also, even 3 displays

[brittle tinsel]

Oh yeah, another thing is the 30 series says it has 3 dp and 1 hdmi

[muted patio]

Yep

Just get DP to HDMI cables on Amazon if you need them

Like, $8 each

[brittle tinsel]

But I have an old tv and little 5 inch screen that don’t take dp so I need 2 hdmi

Nvme

Nvm *

Damn phone

[muted patio]

lol

[urban dove]

All

Of th em

[brittle tinsel]

Those work? Without causing screen tear or anything like that?

[muted patio]

OH yeah

Not a problem

[desert gulch]

yeah ive used them

work perfectly good

lol parents downstairs have all hdmi monitors but a 2080ti gpu soooo

kinda the only option

[brittle tinsel]

I have 2 new monitors that take dp, but the tv would be the issue

[desert gulch]

doesnt your gpu have one hdmi?

[brittle tinsel]

I don’t know what ports 2080 ti has

[desert gulch]

most do at least

[brittle tinsel]

Yeah but I’ll probably use that one for the 7 inch hardware monitor

[desert gulch]

ohh ok

yeah parents 2080ti has 1 hdmi and 3 dp

got it for them for 400 when ppl got scared of 3k series xd

[wanton cliff]

how much vram

lmao

[desert gulch]

idk

its a gigabyte one

gaming oc

so prolly 11

idk

[brittle tinsel]

I decided to do hardware monitor instead of z73 allows more things to be seen and the 7 inch lcd was $50 and an arctic liquid aio is $120 ish, nowhere close to $300 for an aio and I get hardware monitor with more capabilities

[desert gulch]

still seemed rly decent for 400

super clean

one tiny scratch but thats whatever

[urban dove]

Hi

[desert gulch]

bruh stop

this is how you get banned

[urban dove]

Oh

im new

[balmy patio]

just be part of the conversation

[urban dove]

To this app

[balmy patio]

don't go around saying hi

[urban dove]

Ok

Th x

can you tell me more aboutthis app

[balmy patio]

you can dm me if you want and i'll tell you more info about it

[wanton cliff]

ive literally replied to you with the same message 3 times

#electronics message

[desert gulch]

lol

[balmy patio]

smh

[fluid warren]

Afternoon everyone, I just popped in because I'm looking for some advice on a purchase.

[desert gulch]

ok

[wanton cliff]

ask

[desert gulch]

got a link?

[balmy patio]

what kinda purchase?

[fluid warren]

A gaming laptop.

[wanton cliff]

Xotic

[fluid warren]

I've been out of the build game for years.

[balmy patio]

what kinda laptop are you looking for?

[fluid warren]

Last PC I built was in 2006. Still running strong with slight upgrades.

[desert gulch]

ooh nice

[fluid warren]

But it just is not up to par anymore.

[wanton cliff]

Xotic Laptops

look them up

[fluid warren]

and I have been out of the game for so long I don't really know what to buy, i'm not trying to spend an arm and leg on something so fancy that I could use it at NASA or anything.

[balmy patio]

lmao

[wanton cliff]

what do you want to play?

[fluid warren]

I boutgh Baulder gate 3

and it runs like crap on my Desktop.

[balmy patio]

so yeah what kinda laptop you want and what will you be doing with it

[wanton cliff]

gimme a budget

[fluid warren]

2-3 grand with Quad pay 😛

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16834725128

[wanton cliff]

https://xoticpc.com/collections/ultimate-series-gaming-laptops/products/asus-rog-scar-17-g733qs-xs98q ?

[fluid warren]

I wa slooking at that

[urban dove]

Im back

[balmy patio]

i think the 5900hx is better

lemme pull up a comparison rq

[wanton cliff]

look at the link I sent

[wanton cliff]

it is

[fluid warren]

I was wondering how AMD is hanging next to Intel these days.

I always used to buy AMD.

[desert gulch]

in multicore high tier stuff amd still wins

intel seems to be better for gaming

[wanton cliff]

AMD wins in super high end but Intel better for budget rn

[desert gulch]

and better for small budget

yeah

[fluid warren]

My work sticks with Intel and I always have issues.

[balmy patio]

smh

[urban dove]

Hi

[desert gulch]

new intel is fine

bruh

[fluid warren]

Yeah we still are working on 7th gen.

[desert gulch]

amd nice too for workstation stuff

[wanton cliff]

https://xoticpc.com/collections/ultimate-series-gaming-laptops/products/asus-rog-scar-17-g733qs-xs98q

Like I said, just customize this one and get under way

[desert gulch]

7th gen aint terirble

what 7th gen?

[wanton cliff]

oooh

[urban dove]

How old are hall

[desert gulch]

whos hall

[wanton cliff]

the 3080 in that laptop has 16 gigs of G6

[fluid warren]

This laptop I was recently issues is i7 -7600U

[desert gulch]

damn thats rly good

[wanton cliff]

its not G6x but yeah

also 6 gigs more

[urban dove]

Not hall

yall

[balmy patio]

i wonder how chonky it is

[wanton cliff]

chonky

2 hours of battery life max lmao

[desert gulch]

lol

[wanton cliff]

it has a 3080 tho so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[balmy patio]

lmaoa

[desert gulch]

just carry a generator around with you

[balmy patio]

if only hot swap batteries were a thing

[desert gulch]

they are

on old laptops

they just fall out

[balmy patio]

oh makes sense

[wanton cliff]

a 24ow AC adapter and a 90 WHr battery

6 lbs

[balmy patio]

6 lbs lmao

[wanton cliff]

1tb NVME ssd

[balmy patio]

isn't that like a gallon of milk

[wanton cliff]

5900hx

[desert gulch]

pretyy nice

[wanton cliff]

1440p 165hz screen

[desert gulch]

like a gallon of gas yeah

[wanton cliff]

pretty nice for price tbh

[desert gulch]

idk what milk weighs

gas weighs 6 lbs per gallon

[wanton cliff]

32 gigs of 3200mhz

[balmy patio]

if only it had 240hz display smh

[desert gulch]

what latency?

[wanton cliff]

doesnt specify, as usual

considering speed I'd guess 16ns tho

[desert gulch]

prolly like 16

yeah

[wanton cliff]

weird GPU tho

its a 6800 XT but with DLSS and RT cores

[fluid warren]

@wanton cliff Thanks XoticPC seems to be the way to go 🙂

[wanton cliff]

speaking of, Sapphire has a 6800 XT in the shuffle rn with 20 gigs of G6

[wanton cliff]

No problem, have fun!

[balmy patio]

damn i'm all ready to build a pc but no 3060ti in sight rn smh

[wanton cliff]

unluck

[desert gulch]

shoulda bought gpu first

since its the hardest to find

[rich helm]

That’s what I did

Smart move

[desert gulch]

mhmm

since you only have a 30 day return period for most stuff

and some stuff has no warranty past 30 days

[fluid warren]

1 other question for you guys, as I think this Laptop is the one I will purchase.

[desert gulch]

go for it

[fluid warren]

What are some good places to look for a docking station for when I am at home?

[formal cosmos]

should i have gaming mode on or off?

[wanton cliff]

no idea tbh

[little osprey]

I’m trying to upgrade some more storage is this where I connect it to ?

[wanton cliff]

what are you trying to add?

@little osprey

[desert gulch]

prolly a 2.5 sata ssd

maybe a hdd ig

[wanton cliff]

well I need to know

[little osprey]

Hdd bro

@wanton cliff

[autumn wolf]

sata youd connect it to the top one or bottom under the other sata depending on your mobo

[desert gulch]

you also need power for it

[unique rapids]

Are the last tile renders in Cinebench more heavier compared to the earlier tiles? I noticed the temp going high in the last tiles.

[wanton cliff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I havent had that problem

if anything, temp lowers on later tiles and drops half a degree after every pass

what cooler do you have?

@unique rapids

[unique rapids]

@wanton cliff stock. Just noticed that my temps are fine from the start but around the last 5-10 tiles my temps goes way up.

[wanton cliff]

what is 'stock'?

a Wraith Spire, Wraith Prism?

intel?

[desert gulch]

stealth?

[unique rapids]

amd 3400g. I think I am using spire.

[desert gulch]

yeah its a spire

[wanton cliff]

that thing cools my 3600x nicely

but yeah, Forks answered your question in #overclocking

[little osprey]

stock coolers are eww

[wanton cliff]

coughs in prism

[desert gulch]

not all

yeah prism is nice

[balmy patio]

at least the amd ones don't look terrible

intel stock coolers smh, except the one that came withe the 10700 and 10900 i think, but it was still ass

[little osprey]

oh they changed stock cooler on 10700 and 10900 but still eww

liquid cooling gang here xd

[balmy patio]

aio or custom?

[little osprey]

@wanton cliff I dont have a budget per sei I plan to save up, the thing is I can only buy from amazon three times a year and each shipment has to be under 200 bucks cause of dumb customs laws I have in my country

[wanton cliff]

what country

and is this USD?

[little osprey]

uruguay, yes 200USD tops per shipment

I know, stupid but I gotta do with what I have

[balmy patio]

is that including the shipment cost?

[wanton cliff]

well you could get a P500a or something

[little osprey]

nono without shipment cost

[balmy patio]

yeah a p500a is a nice case

[little osprey]

I'd like to start looking up for 2021 cases but theres so much out there

[balmy patio]

were you looking for any specific features in the case?

such as airflow oriented, noise normalized, hard drive mounts, etc

[wanton cliff]

P500a has it all

dont worry

they just a graphic designer, they dont need anything special

[balmy patio]

fair

[little osprey]

maximum cooling and the best one for beefed up components, I know nothing about builds btw I'm using a 2013 laptop with an i5 and a ge force740m and its gonna die anytime soon

[wanton cliff]

P500a

[little osprey]

at least I wanna get a i9 I need at least 16gb of ram, storage nothing special

[wanton cliff]

👏 P 👏 500 👏 A

[wanton cliff]

why an i9?

[little osprey]

ok ok I just type p500a case?

[wanton cliff]

yes

[balmy patio]

p500a

phanteks p550a

[wanton cliff]

Phanteks Eclipse P500a is full name but yeah

[balmy patio]

there's a digital versiono and non digital version

[little osprey]

because I cant run a lot of heavy programs of the adobe suite and I want to build something that holds up over time

I dont want to upgrade in a long time if I can

[balmy patio]

p500a

[wanton cliff]

I'm watching someone cool a PC with vodka right now

[balmy patio]

send link

[wanton cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYTJfLyo_vE&t=6s

[balmy patio]

thx

i saw some pic on reddit of someone who had a beer-themed build

reservoir was a corona bottle and it looked awesome

[little osprey]

Im seeing the case, is it better than fractal and asus tuf?

[wanton cliff]

yes

which is why we recommended it

Asus cases

[little osprey]

russian made cooling xd

[balmy patio]

fractal has nice noise-normalized cases if you're into that

and big cases with lots of hard drive mount options

but yeah a p500 is basically all you need

[little osprey]

p500 is bulletproof I gather

[balmy patio]

😳

with some extra hardware it might be

[little osprey]

got it, the thing is I wanna keep it as low cost but good quality as possible

are there any cheaper options than the p500?

[balmy patio]

lemme check rq

[little osprey]

thanks!

[wanton cliff]

yes there are

P400a

[balmy patio]

there's the 4000d/5000d airflow, p400a, meshify c, meshify 2, lancool II, lancool 215, 5000dx

[little osprey]

got it, is it like a link wth the 101 of building pcs? casue I dont want to bother

[balmy patio]

there's this https://pcpartpicker.com

[wanton cliff]

PCPP aint always correct tho, as far as guides go

[balmy patio]

pretty cool website ngl

[little osprey]

thanks!!!!!

[wanton cliff]

you can make a list on PCPP but dont expect it to give you any good kind of guide

[little osprey]

got it

[balmy patio]

yeah it's mainly a tool to make sure parts are compatible

ram height and cpu heatsink fan clearance is still a problem they can't check but that's about it

[little osprey]

thats what I need cause I fear buying stuff and not being compatible

[wanton cliff]

also Uruguay kinda cringe

[little osprey]

i know

[balmy patio]

uruguay has a nice soccer team tho

[wanton cliff]

you should move tbh

come here to the US and dont worry about crappy shipping laws

[little osprey]

thanks thats all we got Jose, suarez and cavani lol

[balmy patio]

lmaoao

[little osprey]

I plan to move after I get to save money, but to do so I need to work more, and I need to save to build a decent pc

[balmy patio]

yeah it'll be worth it, as long as you know where to go

such as here in cali, living costs are big compared to some place like idaho or michigan

[wanton cliff]

just make sure you come here with your list before anything else so we can minmax your list

[little osprey]

yep other designers told me there are some good states, and if I dont see a future in the us I can try europe but I wont get ahead of myself

[little osprey]

thank u so much!!!!! u saved my day

[wanton cliff]

curiosity: why not the US?

not trying to argue yes or no but why not?

[little osprey]

neh im impartial to the us or europe, ill go to the place that offers the best job and life for me

[wanton cliff]

fair

[little osprey]

im like 50-50 with both places

[balmy patio]

fair

[wanton cliff]

"europe" is a pretty broad term

[little osprey]

ill look for cases and make a list, I have a gazillion things to learn OH before i go, any good yt channel to watch and learn? I stumbled upon greg salazar's channel is it good?

[balmy patio]

hehe

linus tech tips, jayztwocents, hardware unboxed, austin evans, bitwit, gamers nexus, hardware unboxed

[wanton cliff]

^

[little osprey]

yeah I know its broad, I have at least a year of work and savings before deciding where to go first as a trip and then decide all the options, long way to go

got it

[balmy patio]

gamers nexus and hardware unboxed are boring but they explain in detail

linus, austin and bitwit are more for entertainment

jayz for both

[wanton cliff]

Lithuania is pretty pogchamp but you would have to learn Lithuanian

[little osprey]

lol why lithuania

[wanton cliff]

cause its pretty pogchamp

I just said lmao

im being completely serious btw

[little osprey]

i understand, im way way thinking ahead but first things first CASES lol

[wanton cliff]

coughs in P400a

[balmy patio]

meshify 2 mini looks better tbh

*compact

[little osprey]

hmm interesting also if it looks cooler, better

the main concern for me is that it has the most updated components

ports and such

[balmy patio]

it does have a usb-c port

but make sure your mobo has the correct header for it

or else it's useless

[wanton cliff]

it is mid tower ATX sized, the ports and stuff are where the motherboard matters

not the case

[balmy patio]

^

[little osprey]

im so useless I didnt understand anything

[balmy patio]

that's fine

we've all been useless at some point

[little osprey]

thanks, but really i need to learn a lot cause I have zero idea of components

[balmy patio]

you can start by watching the yt channels i mentioned

i started watching linus around last year and that's how i got into it

[wanton cliff]

^

same

then everyone else

[balmy patio]

sure at first i was dumb but then it just started to attach to me

[formal cosmos]

should i get 2 more fans for outake on the top? rn i have 3 intake and 1 outake

and my temps are pretty bad rn

[muted patio]

At least one more

[little osprey]

it would be good

[muted patio]

Or just move a front fan there

[balmy patio]

yee

the bottom one should be moved up there

unless you have rgb or sum

[formal cosmos]

i’m just thinking of buying 2 more

[little osprey]

yeah it will make it better

[formal cosmos]

alright

how should i put the fans

autocorrect is dumb

[little osprey]

lol

[balmy patio]

3 in and 3 out if you're willing to buy two more

[formal cosmos]

should i just leave it as 3 intake on the front panel

[balmy patio]

if not then move the bottom fan up there and have it as 2 in 2 out

[formal cosmos]

alright

i’m just gonna but 2 more fans

[little osprey]

just add that 2 fans as out

[formal cosmos]

yeah

[balmy patio]

yeah

[hollow grail]

it sucks

[formal cosmos]

hopefully my temps decrease

[hollow grail]

usa number 1

[formal cosmos]

i’m literally sometimes sitting at 65-70 idle...

on chrome

and 80° on val

[little osprey]

its too high

[formal cosmos]

ik

[muted patio]

Seriously

[balmy patio]

you do have the stock cooler

[muted patio]

just move a fan

[formal cosmos]

my tempsare terrible

[muted patio]

Take you 5 minutes

or less

[little osprey]

id make sure thermal paste is good applied

vintage hows corsair a500 cooler? 🤔

[muted patio]

Meh

[little osprey]

its so cheap rn

i can get it for 40$

[hollow grail]

its like the 212

[muted patio]

Yeah

[hollow grail]

if u mean the air cooler

[muted patio]

Not worth $40 IMO

[hollow grail]

so its worth $20

which it used to sell for

[little osprey]

idk it look cool and have 2 coolers xd

im so bad about cooling sry lol

[balmy patio]

more fans doesn't always mean better cooling smh

[little osprey]

RMAd my coolermaster ml240 and using gammaxx400 for now but looking for better cooler 🤔

[balmy patio]

for what chip?

and at what pricepoint

[little osprey]

i just wonder why notcua fans are so ugly lol

9700k

and price umm im not sure like 50-60 or someting

[worn wave]

I love Noctua fans

They aint ugly

[little osprey]

come on this is so ugly xd

[worn wave]

Nah

[balmy patio]

nah

[worn wave]

I love the tan and brown

[balmy patio]

well in some instances it's ugly

you can make it good looking if you wanted

[little osprey]

even gammaxx400 looks better

[autumn wolf]

chromax

[worn wave]

Noctua ❤️

[autumn wolf]

not enough noctua

[little osprey]

looks nice

but why no gpu lol

[autumn wolf]

noctua

[worn wave]

Waiting to buy a Quadro

[little osprey]

quadro cards are pog

but i dont need it anymore lol

i only using cad mostly

does notcua have black coolers at least ? xd

[worn wave]

Yes

They are coming out with Chromax White also in Q2 I think

[little osprey]

actually i need rgb for add fps lol

[worn wave]

Q3 actually

I'm excited for the Redux CPU coolers

hopefully they will be great for the price

[muted patio]

Black versions, might finally get some noctuas

[little osprey]

Noctua NH-U12S chromax is about 70$ 🤔

[worn wave]

Usually $60

I got my U12S for $50

[little osprey]

out of stock at newegg / 70$ at amazon

[balmy patio]

i can't wait to see how a black u12a would look like

[little osprey]

yeah brown one is 60$ but black one is 70$ lmao

any other cooler ? lol

[worn wave]

Scythe Mugen 5

Scythe has great coolers

Be Quiet also has great coolers

[little osprey]

everything is red in my case and brown not gonna fit there xd

[balmy patio]

isn't scythe louder than other coolers?

[worn wave]

Not sure

[gusty abyss]

scythe is silence focused lol

[muted patio]

Some coolers too much

It affects performance

[little osprey]

i dont mind noise much to be honest

[balmy patio]

i think it was that it just stayed behind when it came to noise-normalized performance

[little osprey]

my room is already loud couse cad system xd

[muted patio]

One of scythes coolers topped out really early with relatively poor performance due to the silent slow fans

Can't remember which one

GN tested it

[stoic island]

Scythe is one of those "too quiet" ones

Ninja 5

Prob

[muted patio]

I think so

Yes, tquiet but not that great

[stoic island]

Ninja 5 was too quiet for the noise normalized chart lel

[worn wave]

How's the Fuma 2?

[brittle tinsel]

Now I know tarkov isn’t optimized well but my brother has a better system than what I had, only thing I had was 16 gig ram he has 8 would upgrading his ram make enough difference? His game locks up completely and sutures a lot

Stutter

[stoic island]

Fuma 2 good, still quiet tho

@brittle tinsel dual channel contributes a lot to performance if he's running single stick

[little osprey]

ugh i gonna buy aio again ig lol

[brittle tinsel]

2 x 4 but his mobo only has 2 slots it’s a intel h61 or something like that

[stoic island]

Uh

H61 is like 10 years old

[little osprey]

what about ID-COOLING SE-225-XT

[brittle tinsel]

Yup

He has an i5 4570s

[stoic island]

I don't think tarkov is supposed to run well on that

[worn wave]

SE-225-XT is amazing for the price

underrated cooler tbh

[stoic island]

Se 224 xt is great

[brittle tinsel]

But I had an i5 3570 that ran no problem only difference in builds is his has a slightly better cpu and half the ram

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/DEEPCOOL-Cooler-Universal-Height-Compatibility/dp/B08FJ7MK7R/ref=sr_1_50?dchild=1&keywords=cpu+air+cooler&qid=1615498881&s=electronics&sr=1-50 and this

[brittle tinsel]

But my build surged and we want to try out my ram on his build but afraid if the ram was damaged it would cause issues on his pc

And screw us both out of a pc

[stoic island]

That looks so dumb imo but uh

[worn wave]

That does not look great for the price

I would recommend Scythe over that

[stoic island]

@brittle tinsel took a look at tarkov reccomend specs, 8gb min 12+gb reccomended, so that is quite likely the issue

[little osprey]

ID-COOLING SE-225-XT is for 45$ 🤔

[stoic island]

Se-224-xt for 30$

[brittle tinsel]

Will my ram cause issues since it surrferd a surge?

They are both ddr3

[little osprey]

i wonder how much difference between 224 and 225

ID-COOLING SE-234-ARGB that one looks so cool 🤔

[worn wave]

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.computerbase.de/2021-01/deepcool-as500-test/

Hmm intresting

Seems to be pretty decent for the price

[little osprey]

im not overclocking my 9700k i need just mid range cooler tbh

[stoic island]

It's always hope for the best, assume the worst, but for testing if it works in their system, shouldn't cause issues other than the sticks not being able to boot

[brittle tinsel]

Ok

[desert gulch]

@stoic island what do you think of this new ssd https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-MZ-V8V1T0B-AM-980-SSD/dp/B08V7GT6F3?tag=slickdeals&ascsubtag=8dda142c82b511ebb7159633568f93140INT

seems decent for price but idk

def not better than a p31 1tb value tho

[stoic island]

What

980 again?

[rich helm]

Wouldn’t like a 970 evo for slightly cheaper be better

[stoic island]

Meh

I need to see testing first

[desert gulch]

yeah idk

[stoic island]

Samsung's first hmb drive afaik

[desert gulch]

seems like itd be between a 970 evo and 980 pro

by the name

[stoic island]

No

[desert gulch]

but who knows

hmb

[stoic island]

Afaik it's a updated 970 evo, except maybe downgrade?

Need to see testing

[desert gulch]

oof

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/new-samsung-980-ssd-improves-on-970-evo-evo-plus-performance/

heres a review on it

[muted patio]

still spendy for 500 GB

[desert gulch]

idk if its in depth enough for you

yeah

[muted patio]

$70

[stoic island]

Huh

"Moving on to the Heavy test, the Samsung SSD 980 improves its standings considerably. Performance when running the test on an empty drive is now competitive with mainstream TLC NVMe drives, including the latency scores. When the test is run on a full drive, the SSD 980's performance drops considerably, and it ends up on par with the WD Blue SN550."

I like anandtech

Only people I like for ssd review is anandtech, tpu, and tom's hardware, mainly because I actually know what their charts are about

[desert gulch]

weird

so its good when empty

and not full

[stoic island]

Heavy hitting load:

Normal-heavy.

[desert gulch]

weird

so it could be a good windows drive ig

not for price but as a boot

[stoic island]

Light.

[desert gulch]

they have a 250 gig one

so maybe a good boot drive if you had 45 bucks to drop on it

[stoic island]

Pretty nice slc cache it seems

[desert gulch]

you think it justifies the price tag?

[stoic island]

No

Definitely not considering the recent p31 prices

But in general, it's eh

[hollow grail]

i mean there is upcoming ssd shortage

so

im pretty sure we might say goodbye to $100/tb soon enough

[desert gulch]

mhmm

[brittle tinsel]

If a room is really hot and you boot the pc, will it instantly crash before the fans kick on?

This pc I swear is sooo stupid

Constant issues since we bought it

[muted patio]

Shouldn't. Room temp, even 100F is far below CPU max temp

[stoic island]

Aw

[muted patio]

this is the one in the reptile room with the spoop PSU, no?

Aresgame or something?

Or the 500W unknown

Lyte PC?

[brittle tinsel]

I haven’t opened it to see

It yes

[muted patio]

Ah

[brittle tinsel]

It freezes like this than roboots into windows

[muted patio]

Gamdias

[stoic island]

Nand shortage or just like controller or

[muted patio]

Gamdias PSU

[brittle tinsel]

The gpu driver is 2 months out of date but I don’t think it’s gpu when the pc freezers all usb power is lost

[muted patio]

Nope

[brittle tinsel]

Front and back panel

[muted patio]

if it straight up freezes

Does it shut down and restart?

Just die?

[brittle tinsel]

It’s litterally in a boot loop as we speak

So it loads into windows and may or may not freeze then it will reboot back into windows never ending loop

[muted patio]

Well, that PC is all second hand parts when it comes to the MB and CPU, those aren't made any more

[brittle tinsel]

I know

But it didn’t do this until this week

[muted patio]

I'd imagine that's a CPU/MB issue

Either temps or just defective

This one yeah?

https://lytetechnology.com/product/hyper/

[brittle tinsel]

My brothers rat did get lose maybe a chewed wire?

[brittle tinsel]

Yeah but when we ordered they sent rtx 570 then got mad at us for wanting the 1060 because it’s more expensive

[muted patio]

Oh, so they have RX570's in them?

[brittle tinsel]

Even though it says 1060

No we got them to send gtx

All 3 have gtx

But only one does the reboot loop

And it’s in the hottest room of the house

[urban dove]

Im back

[muted patio]

I know we checked CPU temps, what about GPU under load? You said it reboots just while sitting in Windows?

[urban dove]

Hi

[muted patio]

I'd be calling Lyte Technologies and asking about warranty on that things TBH

You shouldn't have to put any money into it

[brittle tinsel]

How?

Like right now as soon as I try to open anything it crashes

We plugged it straight into the wall and so far the issue stopped

[muted patio]

Straight into the wall?

What was it plugged into before?

[brittle tinsel]

A surge protector

One of the smaller ones not the big one that has status lights

That says grounded and such

[muted patio]

Never would have thought to ask about that but sounds sus

[brittle tinsel]

Well it’s running fine now

[muted patio]

SO it was a power issue, just not what we thought

[brittle tinsel]

I started the gpu update and it didn’t crash

[muted patio]

See if it lasts

[brittle tinsel]

I guess

It finished the update no problem

The temps are down a bit too

Now why would giving it access to more power drop temps by 12-15 degrees

[prisma bronze]

Whats your best bang for your buck motherboard for 5900x?

[muted patio]

If voltage is low, amperage goes up. Amperage makes heat just like voltage does.

[muted patio]

Something B550 with flash back

[stoic island]

Something like a b550-a pro usually at 130$ could work

[stoic island]

Also, any other requirements? Like wifi, usb headers, rgb, etc?

[prisma bronze]

Wifi isnt a requirement, yes usb 3.0 headers and rgb

[stoic island]

Rgb or argb

[prisma bronze]

RGB

[stoic island]

This does have rgb and argb headers so it'll work either way actually
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089CZSQB4

[brittle tinsel]

This is awesome, someone wanna give me $25 thousand for it lol

https://www.techspot.com/amp/news/88891-got-23000-spare-you-could-buy-custom-pc.html

[stoic island]

smh

only 128gb of ram

bad

why would they use aorus gen 4 ssds when they could use SN850 or 980 pros :P

[desert gulch]

Lol they should have at least 256 gigs

Of ram

Mr1 even those are cringe

We need like project honey badger in that pc

[stoic island]

no

raid 0 not practical

[desert gulch]

But fast

[stoic island]

not practical

I want fast and practical

dats why sn850 for the rnd perf

[desert gulch]

Practicalities are not needed

[stoic island]

not rocket 4 plus for seq

[desert gulch]

We need pure speeeeeed

[stoic island]

smh

[brittle tinsel]

If you read into it it’s got a finger scan door and a lot of wild stuff

[stoic island]

Yes

but we critique parts

not features

[brittle tinsel]

I know but why $25,000

That’s way too much

My dream pc setup is only $2500

But I may go with a $1800-$2000 setup depending on when I get paid

[verbal quarry]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZVhPDc I got the mobo and the case with $314 in my pocket. What should I get next?

[desert gulch]

I woulda gotten gpu first

Since it's hardest to find

I'd wait honestly rn

Until you have enough to buy everything

It could be months before you snag a 3070 at a decent price

[verbal quarry]

Well the goal is to just watch stocks on the gpu and buy everything else as I wait for them to become easier to get

[desert gulch]

But whh

Most stuff has a 30 day return period

So if it's doa you won't know

Rly bad idea to piece buy imo

Best thing is to buy whatever is hardest to find then once you confirm that's shipping you buy everything else

[verbal quarry]

I have a pre-built rn with expansion to test things as they come in

[desert gulch]

Still I wouldnt

Easier to just not

And do it all at one time

[little osprey]

PSU Ram and storage

find a random gpu lying around house and make sure stuff works

[verbal quarry]

Funny enough I got a 550 in my pre-built xD

I have one more question

And this is about a cpu I have

I have a 1700 in my pre-built. Do you think it'll work in my Asus b550-f?

@little osprey sorry for the ping but im curious

[muted patio]

no

B550 is 3000/5000 only

[verbal quarry]

Dang ok

Thank you

[muted patio]

👍

[winged lion]

Plus if u getting a b550 u prob gonna upgrade

[verbal quarry]

Why?

[winged lion]

Sorry, I worded that wrong

I just assumed that you were go ngl to upgrade if you’re getting a b550 mobo

Cuz it’s newer

[verbal quarry]

I have it rn and I dont plan on upgrading for a long time

Considering a 1700/550 combo got me through 5 years

Looking to do a 5600x/3070

[jovial cave]

Hi everyone! Referred here by newegg tech. Trying to upgrade my 'Seeking to upgrade hardware components for a 'Dell: - Alienware Area-51 R2' Desktop system. i.e. - motherboard, cpu, ram, Nvidia graphics card.' Are the any suggestion as to how I should go about doing so?

[verbal quarry]

Well first whats your budget?

[muted patio]

And what's in there now?

Full specs for those looking https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000178577/alienware-area-51-r2-system-specifications

[earnest olive]

upgrading a dell

good luck

time to play the "is it proprietary" lottery

[jovial cave]

currently system specs are Intel i7 - 5930k cpu @ 350GHz, 16 gig ram, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970.

system is 5 years old.

[earnest olive]

i'd honestly just sell it and build new imo

[jovial cave]

ouch, really?

[earnest olive]

here's the thing

dell cases

might not support non-dell motherboards

might be a proprietary power supply that doesn't support a better graphics card

might be a proprietary motherboard that doesn't support non dell power supply

[jovial cave]

ahhh. got it. just spoke with a Geek Squad tech, he didn't think there would be a problem.

[earnest olive]

it would be a massive pain to figure out what you can upgrade

[brittle tinsel]

So I installed different ram (took old ram out and now my pc won’t display

[earnest olive]

did you clear cmos

[brittle tinsel]

.....

Do you need to do that on old mobos

[jovial cave]

I have the AREA - 51 tower case. not really easy to shift things around.

[earnest olive]

memory training is memory training

ddr or ddr4

doesn't matter

[brittle tinsel]

3

[earnest olive]

if it's expecting one thing and getting another it can get confused

just clear cmos

[brittle tinsel]

I don’t know what cmos is or how to reset it

My buddy added ram and it didn’t do this

Well he added to it not replaced

[earnest olive]

look for cmos jumper on board

[brittle tinsel]

What will it say

[earnest olive]

cmos

[jovial cave]

remove you motherboard battery to flash you CMOS

[brittle tinsel]

Do I need to have it plugged in to do that

[jovial cave]

no

[brittle tinsel]

Because my workbench doesn’t have a plug for it

[earnest olive]

no

[brittle tinsel]

Will I need a screw driver

[earnest olive]

no

ive cleared cmos with a kitchen knife before

you can either short cmos or pull battery

[brittle tinsel]

Well I pressed power and it won’t shut down

[jovial cave]

ooooh, painful.

[earnest olive]

hold it

[jovial cave]

do a hard shut down.

flip power switch on power strip.

[brittle tinsel]

Ok I have the pc open now what

[jovial cave]

did you kill the power?

[brittle tinsel]

Yeah

Im on the work bench

[earnest olive]

.

[brittle tinsel]

I don’t see anything about any of that

The mobo is intel h61

[jovial cave]

looking for your battery on motherboard.

[brittle tinsel]

Or 51 whatever

[earnest olive]

man

cmos batteries have been around for way longer than that

lol

[brittle tinsel]

I don’t see em is all I didn’t say it didn’t have one

[jovial cave]

be nice. we all have been there.

[brittle tinsel]

I was letting you know in case you wanted to look it up

[earnest olive]

it's just a watch battery

[jovial cave]

you may have to remove your graphics card.

[brittle tinsel]

Ah

Damn

[jovial cave]

wrong angle, try again.

[brittle tinsel]

Wrong angle or side?

[jovial cave]

angle. shoot shot from overhead, straight down.

[jovial cave]

seems your fan is in the way.

[earnest olive]

look for a jumper that says cmos near the bottom of the board might be easier

[earnest olive]

if you have an exact model name i can find it for you

[jovial cave]

yeah, remove your fan.

[brittle tinsel]

Model of what?

The mobo is intel h61

[earnest olive]

mobo

thats chipset

[brittle tinsel]

That’s all I know

[jovial cave]

motherboard.

[brittle tinsel]

Chipset is 1150

I5 4570s

[earnest olive]

1150 is socket

[wanton cliff]

[earnest olive]

chipset is h61

[jovial cave]

seems you have a Asus motherboard.

[brittle tinsel]

This is all I have

[earnest olive]

you got ripped off

tbh

[little leaf]

Ye he did

[brittle tinsel]

I didn’t pay that price so I’m not worried

[earnest olive]

ah

[jovial cave]

you have to search etchings on motherboard.

Unknow-Target current budget is around 2K.

[earnest olive]

for now just start by entering newegg shuffles to try to get rtx 30 series

really bad gpu shortage rn

if you manage to win a 30 series gpu then plan a new build around it

[little leaf]

I found just buyin the gpus without the raffle is easier

[jovial cave]

okay, can anyone inform me regarding what compatibility conflicts I need to be aware of?

[little leaf]

Chipsets

Case sizes

[stoic island]

Every compatibility conflict?

[little leaf]

Psu size

[stoic island]

Or a certain part

[wanton cliff]

Cause there are a lot

A lot of conflicts

[little leaf]

Cooler clearance

[stoic island]

Not being itx takes a lot off the list

[little leaf]

Psu not having enough connectors

[wanton cliff]

Just use PCPartPicker, it sorts out most of the conflicts for you

Be careful for bottlenecks tho

[stoic island]

Pcpp doesn't check ram clearance

[jovial cave]

for example...

[wanton cliff]

AIO time

[stoic island]

And is not completely accurate with cooler clearance

@wanton cliff and pcpp is dumb with parts sometimes

But mostly good

[wanton cliff]

Yeah, especially some of the B560 boards

[jovial cave]

trying to go from an R2 up to an R4.

[wanton cliff]

But it irons most of it out

[stoic island]

R2 to R4 ..?

[scenic quiver]

is 70-75°c for a 2060super anywhere near red flag of worry territory?

[little leaf]

Fine

[scenic quiver]

under load

[stoic island]

@scenic quiver getting hot territory, not immediately threatening

[jovial cave]

Dell Alienware motherboard, transfer speed.

[scenic quiver]

it gets to about 74-77 @100% fan speed kicking in at 73ish

[brittle tinsel]

This is where the gpu was

I don’t see anything about cmos

[wanton cliff]

Ryzen 2 to Ryzen 4 I think but Ryzen 4 is for laptops

[stoic island]

Was it 95c or 85c when turing throttles

[wanton cliff]

So Ryzen 5000

[stoic island]

@wanton cliff doubt

[stoic island]

Full name please?

[wanton cliff]

85, I believe

[brittle tinsel]

I can’t remove the fan either because I don’t have any thermal pads or paste to replace it

[stoic island]

I don't think Ryzen 2 or Ryzen 4 exists

There's r3 r5 r7 but

[wanton cliff]

Ryzen 2000, 4000

I think it what it meant

[stoic island]

Uh

Prob should get mobo name first tbh

[jovial cave]

not really sure, saw mention on dell forum regarding upgrading mob.

[wanton cliff]

Yeah

I just need to know Chipset first

[brittle tinsel]

Wait who is talking to who?

[wanton cliff]

Yes

[brittle tinsel]

Was that for me or someone else?

[jovial cave]

good question.

[wanton cliff]

That was for us

[brittle tinsel]

Ah

[jovial cave]

someone else. sorry.

[wanton cliff]

I just need to know chipset name

Then I can help

[jovial cave]

Sara, hold on, will see if I can find it.

Intel® X99 Chipset (Intel® DHX99 PCH)

[wanton cliff]

Intel huh?

And you said you were on checks notes an AMD processor?

[stoic island]

Kinda expected, need better mobo for more recent chips

[stoic island]

Don't think they ever said so

[jovial cave]

yes, that is my goal.

[wanton cliff]

[stoic island]

R2/R4 are alienware desktop names

Iirc

[wanton cliff]

Ooooooh

I am are have stupid

You are right lmao

[stoic island]

No I

I didn't remember it until a moment ago

[jovial cave]

yes, I know that, forum didn't pin point reference to mob.

[stoic island]

Anyways

@jovial cave let's start from the beginning again,
What are you trying to accomplish with buying more hardware, how much are you willing to spend, and what preferences do you have? And since we know you have a prebuilt as of now, is there anything you'd like to keep from the prebuilt?

[brittle tinsel]

Alright I took the mobo battery out what now to reset cmos

[wanton cliff]

Wait

10 minutes

PSU off

[brittle tinsel]

Psu isn’t plugged in

[stoic island]

Keep it out for a few minutes, press case power button a few times to help drain the power

[wanton cliff]

Good

[stoic island]

Psu should be unplugged and off

[brittle tinsel]

It is

[stoic island]

Aight, just need to chill for a few minutes now

[brittle tinsel]

And I pressed the power button 20 times

Alright

[jovial cave]

budget stops at 2K. want to increase speed, render ability, and ram capacity. Have 3 monitor system, and I am a 3D modeler, animator, and video production.

will be heavily dependent on ray-tracing capabilities.

[wanton cliff]

So 3000 series card

[jovial cave]

working with CODA criteria.

[wanton cliff]

Maybe the rumored 3080 Ti, once/if it comes out?

[brittle tinsel]

Alright it’s been 8 minutes, I’m probably good right ?

[jovial cave]

@stoic island would also like to get tower case.

[desert scarab]

Yoo

I need help rq

[jovial cave]

@brittle tinsel yes, you should be good.

[wanton cliff]

How so

[jovial cave]

@stoic island sorry, meant that I would like to keep the tower case.

[brittle tinsel]

Alright it’s in, is it should boot right? Before it never even posted

[jovial cave]

have you completely re-assemble all of your components and cables?

[brittle tinsel]

Well I’m working on that as we speak

[jovial cave]

make sure before you power up.

[stoic island]

So, why do you want to keep the tower?

[jovial cave]

so that I can devote all monies to components purchase.

[stoic island]

From what I remember, most alienware towers are horrible for working in, and power supply mount might've been custon

[desert gulch]

mhmm

[stoic island]

Well, you have enough budget where a new case wouldn't hurt

As in, 50$ in the 2000$ means very few compromises

I'll make an example list rq

Making the assumption you can get parts at msrp

Any storage you will carry over?

[jovial cave]

true, it is posible, but have a small area for studio, and it heats up pretty quickly.

[stoic island]

Keep in mind, heat is heat, no case will change how much heat is produced, the heat will still be radiate out in any config.

[desert scarab]

How do I know it’s compatible w my mobo

cpu cooler

[stoic island]

4 pin fan is standard

[desert scarab]

Not the 4 pin

[stoic island]

3pin 5v argb might not be on your board

[desert scarab]

The socket

[stoic island]

what mobo

[desert scarab]

B460m pro4

[stoic island]

Snippet from Noctua

[desert scarab]

Uhhh

So it’s good

[stoic island]

Yes

[desert scarab]

?

Ok

Also

The connector says 5V ARGB

that fine?

[stoic island]

@jovial cave Any noise requirements/considerations?

@desert scarab if you have a 3 pin 5v argb header on your mobo

if not, leave it unplugged, it'll just run without argb

[desert scarab]

Alr

Ty

Kinda confused where to find it

[wanton cliff]

Is it CPU cooler?

[desert scarab]

yea

[wanton cliff]

If so, should be around the top somewhere

[jovial cave]

@stoic island my Dell spec sheet doesn't list the mob model or manuf.

[wanton cliff]

By the RAM

[desert scarab]

Tryna find 5V ARGB

[wanton cliff]

Where it says CPU_FAN1

That’s where

[desert scarab]

Ok

Found it

[stoic island]

Hm? I'm just starting on a new build list for ya, so if you had a completely new system, do you have any noise requirements/considerations? @jovial cave

[desert scarab]

But I also need the 5V ARGB

[stoic island]

@desert scarab

[desert scarab]

OOO

the one that says addr?

[stoic island]

Yes

addressable rgb

[jovial cave]

no, noise not a prob, though somewhat quieter would be nice. Heat is my major concern, almost never power system down, unless I am leaving location.

[stoic island]

aka 5v 3 pin argb

[desert scarab]

Alr ty sir

[stoic island]

Fair

Need wifi or do you have ethernet?

[brittle tinsel]

@jovial cave the new ram I installed is in and I’m booting, but still no display

[stoic island]

Booting how?
As in, how do you know it's posting without display..?

[sour fox]

iGPU?

[brittle tinsel]

I don’t, I mean the fans and all are on but no post

[glad walrus]

egpu?

[brittle tinsel]

Bad terminology

[stoic island]

fun

[brittle tinsel]

Gtx 1060 3gb

[jovial cave]

hardwire ethernet, @ cat 8

[stoic island]

Got it

[brittle tinsel]

Do you know how to fix it?

[sour fox]

integrated/onboard graphics?

[brittle tinsel]

Who?

[sour fox]

or PCIe GPU?

[stoic island]

@jovial cave Got an idea of how much ram you'll need?

@brittle tinsel debug leds or nah

[jovial cave]

would like to go up to 64gig

[brittle tinsel]

No

[stoic island]

got it

[brittle tinsel]

Just no post

[stoic island]

@jovial cave as in, 64gig to start, or 64gig is nice to have, some headroom left

hm

fun debugging time?

[jovial cave]

to start, if not, then 32

[brittle tinsel]

Does i5 4570s have a ugly?

[sour fox]

what is your video card?

[brittle tinsel]

Igpu*

I have 1060 3gb

[sour fox]

well are you plugging your display into the motherboard or a GPU?

[brittle tinsel]

Gpu

[sour fox]

try the Motherboard just to rule out GPU issue

[stoic island]

4570 might

non-f ending that is

[little osprey]

hi

[desert gulch]

yeah i think it has one

[brittle tinsel]

Ok both gpu and igpu won’t display

[sour fox]

yes has integrated 4600 intel HD graphics

[desert gulch]

you sure monitor is working?

[brittle tinsel]

Now this ram is the ram from my pc that had the psu blow up

And sugre

[desert gulch]

and cable

[brittle tinsel]

Surge

[sour fox]

oof

[brittle tinsel]

Is the ram dead?

[desert gulch]

no way to know

unless you put ram in good system and good system wont post

or wont work properly

[jovial cave]

@brittle tinsel can you get your on-screen bios to show, try f1 or f2

[sour fox]

when in doubt replace components with known working ones

[brittle tinsel]

Nothing

[desert gulch]

he just said it wouldnt post

[brittle tinsel]

Like their isn’t even usb power

[desert gulch]

not posting means no display on monitor

[jovial cave]

oops, sorry.

[desert gulch]

his psu blew up i think

which is what caused this

[brittle tinsel]

The opd one

[stoic island]

hmm

[brittle tinsel]

Old

[sour fox]

I thought my setup was dead after moving it into another case but turned out the iGPU wouldn't display without going into bios and enabling it

[desert gulch]

mr1 oyu go thru resettting cmos or no?

[stoic island]

ram might be dead, since iirc you reset cmos already, everything else was known to be working, right?

[brittle tinsel]

This is ram out of the old system in my brothers pc because I had more ram than him

[brittle tinsel]

Yeah it worked fine before unplugging it

[stoic island]

yey

[sour fox]

or it was no picture on DP but was on HDMI