building-and-recc-chat

[violet harness]

@desert gulch

[desert gulch]

get a console

[violet harness]

bro

[desert gulch]

performs like 100x better

[sharp tundra]

Bro, please get a console

[violet harness]

he dont want a console

[sharp tundra]

HES 12 HE DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE WANTS

[violet harness]

ive said that a million times

[violet harness]

YES HE DOES

[desert gulch]

why get fast ram

if you get a b460

[wanton cliff]

I’ve known I wanted a PC since I was 8

[sharp tundra]

bro, my 10yo bro knows hed rather have a ps5 thatn a pc

[violet harness]

oh yeah

[sharp tundra]

shush

[violet harness]

no

he knows he wants a pc

ive tried to tell him to get a ps4/ps5

he doesnt want a console

[spiral lake]

so do i get a new monitor first (im using a really old one that still uses vga) or a graphics card first

[desert gulch]

gpu first

harder to find

[violet harness]

whats ur gpu

[spiral lake]

nonexistant

[desert gulch]

bruh he said he doesnt have a gpu

[potent portal]

Real talk here. You can possibly do it. HOWEVER you'll be getting the lowest end, used parts you can find and getting a monitor from a thrift store.

[violet harness]

oh

then gpu

[wanton cliff]

Which iGPU then

[violet harness]

look at the list i made

not even used parts

[spiral lake]

integrated graphics of an i5

[sharp tundra]

Heres what you need to tell him, "Bro, if you get this PC, it will be a fat waste of money, you should get a XBOX Series X or a PS5

[desert gulch]

theyre crap parts

[wanton cliff]

Which I5

[violet harness]

I SAID THAT

[spiral lake]

lemme check

[violet harness]

omg

you dont listen to me

[desert gulch]

prolly a 9400 or sumthin

[violet harness]

hes made his mind

i cant change it

[sharp tundra]

bro, tell your mom or something

dont let him do this

[violet harness]

its his money

[spiral lake]

i5 6200U

[desert gulch]

he wont grow into it well

as games get better itll slow down

[wanton cliff]

@median sail one of the sexiest setups I’ve ever seen

[desert gulch]

and become unplayable

[sharp tundra]

hes gonna hate pc if he buys that thing

[desert gulch]

yeah

[wanton cliff]

^^^^^

[desert gulch]

sara what was your first pc?

[sharp tundra]

and then hes gonna actually cry because he wishes he bought a console instead

no joke

[violet harness]

no he wont

[desert gulch]

yes he will

[potent portal]

The CPU is that is literally worse than last gen's lowest i3

[violet harness]

he knows he wont be able to play crazy games

[desert gulch]

if he gets a console

he can legit rtx and game

[wanton cliff]

5700 XT, 3600, 16 gigs 3600mhz CL18, P300

This was Christmas 2019

[sharp tundra]

bro, im 20 and i would cry if i bought that thing knowing a series x was better

[violet harness]

i could still fit a i3 10100 in there under 600$

[desert gulch]

damn almost same as my build lol

[spiral lake]

a crappy pc wont be worth over console, but a decent to great one will be better

[desert gulch]

yea

if you are in console price range go console

if above that go pc

[spiral lake]

so if you looking to play games for the next 5 years while saving for a better computor, i would go for console

[violet harness]

DUDE HE DOESNT WANT A CONSOLE

omg

[desert gulch]

were trying to help you

[violet harness]

he can get a job next year

you know that right

[sharp tundra]

13?

[desert gulch]

and tell you perf of that pc is dog crap

[violet harness]

he turns 14 next year

13 this year

[desert gulch]

bruh

you can get a job at 13

[sharp tundra]

you said he was 12 but okay

[desert gulch]

lol yeah

[violet harness]

not in canad

[desert gulch]

under the table stuff

[violet harness]

HE TURNS 13 this year

i didnt say he was 13

omg

[desert gulch]

i legit started working at like 12

just under the table stuff

[potent portal]

Mow lawns and wash cars like I did

[desert gulch]

yeah

[desert gulch]

just under the table jobs right?

[sharp tundra]

anyways

[spiral lake]

then go console, he will be able to save for pc when he gets a job so he doesnt waste money on a crappy build. When he gets the money now he will have 2 options. This is better for long term and you wont have 2 pcs laying around after

[violet harness]

no dude you can make barely any money from that

[desert gulch]

yea you can

[violet harness]

we already have a console

[desert gulch]

then why doesnt he use it

[sharp tundra]

bro, $20 per yard

[violet harness]

cause its dogcrap

[potent portal]

$20 a job for a small lawn, $2 in gas, the mower pays for itself in a week

[violet harness]

fricking ps4

[spiral lake]

$20 for a big yard, regular would be 15=20

[sharp tundra]

$10 a car wash

[desert gulch]

then he wont use his pc when he gets it

wouldnt a ps4 even outpace that build prolly?

[violet harness]

bro did u see the benchmark video

all he wants to play is java mc

[desert gulch]

but he wont

[violet harness]

that build gets 100+ fps in java mc

[desert gulch]

as he gets older

[spiral lake]

ps4 still is a really good platform, tell him to keep saving for a little while to get a build that will last for a bit

[desert gulch]

and minecraft will update

[violet harness]

AS HE GETS OLDER HE WILL GET A BETTER PC

bruh

[desert gulch]

that pc is hard to upgrade bro

b460 isnt a great point to be at

[sharp tundra]

HES NOT GONNA LIKE PC IF HE BUYS THAT ONE

[violet harness]

he can buy a whole ass new one

omg

[desert gulch]

then he would waste 500 bucks

[violet harness]

thats not how it works but okay

youve never met him

you have no clue how he is

[spiral lake]

but at that point its just wasted money

[violet harness]

you cant talk for me

[desert gulch]

xD

[violet harness]

at least it can hold him off till 2022

[desert gulch]

thats not the point

you want something that will last

[violet harness]

for him it is

[wanton cliff]

coughs in HD 7770

[desert gulch]

lol

sara would it?

[spiral lake]

but ps4 will still hold him off for that long, and he will have more money at that point for an even better build

[violet harness]

its not supposed to last dude. hes gonna have like a 3090 next year

[desert gulch]

nah fam

[still roost]

NomadHorizon#8013 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[sharp tundra]

oops

[violet harness]

he can make 1k a month working at mcdonalds

when hes 14

[desert gulch]

how many hours a week?

[violet harness]

like 4 hours a day

[sharp tundra]

like 12 probably

[desert gulch]

a week?

[wanton cliff]

20 max at 14 in the US

[violet harness]

7x4

[wanton cliff]

No

[violet harness]

im not in the us

[wanton cliff]

Oh

Where then

[violet harness]

canada

[wanton cliff]

Still

[desert gulch]

Between 14 and 16, work may be performed that is not harmful, up to 6 hours in any day, or up to 3 hours on any school day outside of school hours, and not between 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. Directors' permits may allow exceptions.

[wanton cliff]

AFAIK

[desert gulch]

ok so not on a school day he cant do 4

[spiral lake]

might as well keep saving, thats what i did for my first pc,the best option is to be patient to get an even better pc

[desert gulch]

and you rly expect him to actually work that much?

[sharp tundra]

THIS

[wanton cliff]

Also working 7 days a week? Kinda cringe bro.

[desert gulch]

yeah

he wont do that forever

[potent portal]

7 days PLUS school

[desert gulch]

mhmm

[violet harness]

bro he has work ethic

[desert gulch]

cant do more than 3 hours on a school day

[sharp tundra]

a lot of people have work ethic bro

[desert gulch]

mhmm

[violet harness]

he got this 600$ in a few months

[sharp tundra]

working 7 days a week still sucks

[spiral lake]

when i was a kid i had baseball 2 nights a week, and even that was really stressful on my homework abilities

[desert gulch]

i do 40 hour weeks over the summer

[potent portal]

Imagine burning out on your job at 13

[desert gulch]

and even then its difficult

but its what pays the diesel bills, thats all that keeps me goin

[violet harness]

he doesnt do sports

[spiral lake]

but the job would be just like that, but 7 days a week. School gets you far

[desert gulch]

but i started actually working at like 14

also doubt hed make 1k a month

lets do the math

minimum wage in canada

[violet harness]

already did the math

at least 1k a month

very minimum

[desert gulch]

$11.60 per hour

[violet harness]

14.60$

actually

[desert gulch]

ok

[violet harness]

and i did the math

[desert gulch]

so 28 hours a week

[violet harness]

yup

[desert gulch]

and thats assuming he takes no day off?

[violet harness]

112 hours a month

[desert gulch]

hes gonna take days off

nobody works every day forever

[potent portal]

Between school, work, and homework, there's not going to be any time for minecraft lol

[violet harness]

1635.2$ a month if he works every day, and its not taxxed until he makes 12k

[wanton cliff]

Damn

Lemme move to Canada lmao

[desert gulch]

lol

but their dollar is worth less

ours is worth more

[potent portal]

There's a lot of ways that Canada is just better

[wanton cliff]

Tbf minimum wage is increasing here so

[desert gulch]

yeah

its like 11.25 here i think

[wanton cliff]

coughs in universal healthcare

[violet harness]

we dont have to pay for healthcare seperately kek

[sharp tundra]

so, youre brother at 14yo, is gonna go to school Mon-Fri, from probably 7am-3pm then work probably 4-8pm, have about 3 hours a night to do what he wants, and wake up at 6am to get ready for school to reapeat it all again?

[wanton cliff]

7.25 federally which most states (including mine) follow

Gonna be doubled soon

[potent portal]

Biden will be fixing min wage soon, they tried to put it in covid bill but had to drop it

[desert gulch]

hes literally gonna kill himself

[sharp tundra]

dude, that sounds like hell

[desert gulch]

problem with a 15 dollar minimum is that that will mean alot of jobs get cut

[violet harness]

school is like 8:45am-3pm, work till 7, boom

[desert gulch]

as employers wont be able to pay it

[wanton cliff]

Just put prices of products up literally a tenth of a percentage

[desert gulch]

how will he get to work

[sharp tundra]

you cant work the second you get out of school

[wanton cliff]

Sure you can

Do homework at work

[sharp tundra]

ig hes working 4 hour days

[violet harness]

bro mcdonalds is like 2 blocks away

[violet harness]

lets say 3;30 he gets to work

[desert gulch]

so hows he gonna work 4 hours

if he can legally work 3 on a school day

[violet harness]

works till 7pm

[desert gulch]

legally not allowed

[violet harness]

ok then 3 hours a day

still a crap ton of money

3;30 to 6;30

[sharp tundra]

and you still have to account for the walk potentially getting out late from school, hed also have to change into his uniform maybe take a shower if hehad Gym that day

[desert gulch]

mhmm

hes gonna get tired of it quick

garuntee

[violet harness]

we dont use uniforms in gym lol

[desert gulch]

especially once he gets to harder classes

[violet harness]

youre just assuming everything

[potent portal]

Work uniform

[sharp tundra]

AT MCDONALDS GENIUS

[violet harness]

oh

youre the one to talk

[wanton cliff]

...

[sharp tundra]

i mean in the current situation, i am the actual genius

[potent portal]

Man everyone getting frustrated and hostile in here

[violet harness]

up to grade 9 isnt much harder than grade 7

[wanton cliff]

I’m just going to let this play out and let you both get banned

[desert gulch]

still

[sharp tundra]

along with everyone else here

[desert gulch]

with hw itll get hard

imo

with my expirience here at least

[violet harness]

hes never gotten homework

[desert gulch]

he will

[violet harness]

mmmmn you dont know him

[desert gulch]

im glad

[violet harness]

yeah i wish i wasnt his brother

hes an annoying peice of crap

tbh

[desert gulch]

lol

[sharp tundra]

and his teachers arent just gonna be like, "Oh timmy you work right after schhol and only have 2-3hours a night to enjoy yourself? here, no homework for the rest of the school year"

[desert gulch]

hi ghosty

hows it goin

[sullen spoke]

Umm is this build chat or mcdonalds chat

[desert gulch]

idk

[violet harness]

dude they only give homework as work that wasnt done in class

[desert gulch]

up to you

[potent portal]

It started off as a build and turned into... this

[desert gulch]

its all in perspective ghosty

[violet harness]

once again, assuming everything

[wanton cliff]

#building-and-recc-chat message

[desert gulch]

go back to general with the other mods ghosty

[sharp tundra]

dude, were not assuming, some of us have been there

[sullen spoke]

Ye this doesnt relate to topic, move to dm

[desert gulch]

GHOSTY GET OUT

[wanton cliff]

Kekw

[desert gulch]

lmao

[violet harness]

you dont even live in canada

[muted patio]

[wanton cliff]

Ryan boutta get banned

[desert gulch]

o hi other mod

[wanton cliff]

Vintage won’t hesitate lmao

[desert gulch]

damn you guys were in general for a long time

ight lol

[languid nimbus]

[sharp tundra]

i dont have to live in canada to know that his life is gonna suck by literally working himself to death

[wanton cliff]

^^^^^

[violet harness]

i did the same exact thing at his age

and im fine

[desert gulch]

we all have our opinions

[sharp tundra]

whatever, tell him he better get a console, that PC is the biggest waste of money i have seen in this discord, and id hate to see tht he actually went through with that purchase

[wanton cliff]

Alright nomad

Calm down

[violet harness]

ikr

[wanton cliff]

You forgot to take your meds again

[wanton cliff]

You too

And Ryan

All y’all get into fights way too easily

This convo is over

Good day

[blissful path]

damn shots fired my g

[violet harness]

ima make him get a xbox

[sharp tundra]

you said and ryan, and i was like hey, you cant call my name twice, that aint fair

[desert gulch]

wth why you call me out smh

[sharp tundra]

please please please do

[desert gulch]

xD

series x is better than ps5 from what ive heard

in pure raw gaming power

[violet harness]

yup

[sharp tundra]

yurp

[violet harness]

more teraflops

aswell

[desert gulch]

but idk may be worth ps5 if he wants the ps5 controller

adaptive triggers

tehy kinda cool

[violet harness]

hell probably get a one s

cause

[sharp tundra]

i seen those and i laughed

[desert gulch]

adaptive triggers kinda cool tbh

[violet harness]

kinda impossible to find a next gen console @ msrp

[desert gulch]

mhmm

[sharp tundra]

dude, he could get a one x for $300

[violet harness]

not here

lmao

[desert gulch]

id go next gen if possible

[wanton cliff]

SSD is slightly slower but raw power is like 5% better

[sharp tundra]

^^^

[desert gulch]

mhmm

didnt series x skip out on dram for their ssd?

[violet harness]

POGCHAMP

[sharp tundra]

series x also has expandable ssd

[desert gulch]

yea

[violet harness]

ONE SERIES S IN STOCK AT MY LOCAL BESTBUY

[desert gulch]

poggg

[wanton cliff]

Basically same SSD, Series X just slightly worse optimized

[sharp tundra]

you better go get it right now

[desert gulch]

hmm

[ember nimbus]

Anyone know a good amp?

[violet harness]

time to hop in my car

hopefully its still there

[desert gulch]

650 watt amp

o wait an amp like in audio stuff

[fast dust]

hey i have the 650w amp

[desert gulch]

lol

[wanton cliff]

#peripherals-and-displays would know better

[desert gulch]

mhmm

all the weirdos hang out there

[sharp tundra]

and if he complains about it, tell him, "Its for your own good little one" and knock him out

dont actually knock him out

lol

[desert gulch]

lol

then steal the xbox

[sharp tundra]

and the rest of his cash

and then sell the series s at scalper price, buy a series x, and then sell that at scalper price, and then you might be able to get a good pc

[violet harness]

at bestbuy

its like a 5min drive away

welp

its not here

@sharp tundra

[sharp tundra]

Did you look at the online stock and think it was instore stock?

[violet harness]

it said there was 1 instore stock

ig some joe took it already\

[potent portal]

Best buy is awful about their in store stock reporting, they count floor models and stuff as inventory.

[brittle tinsel]

Could someone with a pc find me a mobo that has flashback, support for 2 gpus and preferably msi?

[potent portal]

Assuming Ryzen?

[brittle tinsel]

Yes 5900x

Am4 or xm4 I forgot

[potent portal]

Ok so good VRM a must

[brittle tinsel]

Vrm?

[potent portal]

Voltage Regulator Module

Some of the MSI B550 and X570 boards can't delivery power reliably or overheat so higher power processors choke

[brittle tinsel]

Ah well originally I planned b550 tomahawk but I need a second gpu slot

Msi mag

[gusty abyss]

Tomahawk’s been a pretty reliable line

[brittle tinsel]

It doesn’t have to be msi if it’s good quality I just hear good about msi compared to others

[potent portal]

You can put a second GPU on there, wdym?

[brittle tinsel]

I can’t tell I’m on mobile

This is ass

[potent portal]

Asus TUF is my primary recommendation, but the MAG has two x16 slots for GPU

[brittle tinsel]

Which one has x4 or x1 as well?

Doesn’t matter only need 1 of either

[potent portal]

The mag board has two x1 slots

So does the tuf

[brittle tinsel]

Does the mag have good vrm?

[potent portal]

Yes, not the best but certainly not the worst. And not bad enough to worry about choking the CPU

[brittle tinsel]

Ok then I’ll just stick with that

[little osprey]

amd 5950x or i9 10th gen extreme which is better performance

5950x

Can you unlock an aio pump header

[brittle tinsel]

Amd always has the better performance when it comes to intels equal part. (Coming from an old intel fanboy that is just now switching to amd)

[potent portal]

In gaming 5900X is actually better, 5950X only needed for workstations that need the core count

[little osprey]

No

[potent portal]

It depends which processor exactly they're comparing

[little osprey]

i9 10980xe

and R9 5950x

[potent portal]

The 5950X STOMPS the 10980XE

[brittle tinsel]

I’m personally comparing the amd 5900x and intel i5 3570

8 year old cpus don’t hold up anymore

[scenic quiver]

i share you pain. coming from a very very tired i5 4690k

[little osprey]

wow

that’s old

[brittle tinsel]

I pushed my 3570, I streamed 12 hour streams on it till it stopped working right and then last week my psu surged and blew the wire up

So that came to a very dramatic end

[little osprey]

I have a rig with a i5-2500 vibing in it

[scenic quiver]

i know i saw some of your posts earlier. crazy dude

[little osprey]

"equal" price intel 💩 s on amd budget

[brittle tinsel]

Thank you finally someone understands me lol

[little osprey]

[potent portal]

Right, 1:1 budget they're pretty comparable but comparing performance and disregarding price AMD wins

[little osprey]

from how he worded it though it sounded like it was all cpus

i mean

10400 beats 3600 for 40$ less n 10600k slams it for 30$ more

for high end amd slams regardless of price

10850k is only competitor to 5000 series amd rn

price to perf

[potent portal]

AMD hasn't done so well low end lately, but 5600X is king price/perf

[brittle tinsel]

No I meant like 1 to 1 like he said

[little osprey]

anyone know any good 5950x and a 3080 build?

[little osprey]

gaming

or workstation

[little osprey]

gaming and work

[potent portal]

Gaming you want 5900X not 5950

[little osprey]

what about both

how much of the time are you gonna be working?

[potent portal]

But if you're doing a lot of video editing and stuff 5950 worth it

[little osprey]

not too much

[potent portal]

If you're doing more gaming than editing/work then 5900X, it's not enough of a difference to be worth it

[little osprey]

alright

know any builds tho

[potent portal]

I'm sure someone here will beat me to it but I'll throw one together, RGB?

[little osprey]

Rgb don’t matter

[brittle tinsel]

Ain’t gotta worry about me, I’m on@ovule and can’t use it right for discord alone

[little osprey]

2x16 or 4x8 @little osprey

[brittle tinsel]

I’m on mobile*

[potent portal]

For editing I'd imagine 32 GB

[little osprey]

4x8

Whats budget again?

[scenic quiver]

its like monopoly money

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PWBQ9N

[little osprey]

3000-3500 cad

Ok list i gave you is 3150 cad

If you put another 980 pro it brings it to right about 3500

[potent portal]

See, I figured someone would beat me lol

[muted patio]

Do it anyway and save it for later

I've got about 15 builds saved lol

[little osprey]

thanks dude

[potent portal]

Good point

[brittle tinsel]

You could go 4tb wd blue for less than half that price of the wd black

[little osprey]

WD black better for longevity

[brittle tinsel]

Although it’s 5400rpm but what’s the big deal about that

[brittle tinsel]

Ah

[little osprey]

its productivity

so you want it as fast as possible

[brittle tinsel]

1800 rpm can’t be worth that much

[potent portal]

It really is worth the speed difference if editing

[little osprey]

WD black lasts longer

[potent portal]

Low RPM is good for cold storage but not active work

[little osprey]

blue is consumer and WD black is meant more for NAS/mass storage

[potent portal]

Red is more for NAS but ok

[brittle tinsel]

Would heavy gaming and streaming, as well as game development be considered cold?

[little osprey]

Red is more so yeah

just saying black is used more than blue for nas

Red is best for WD nas

[brittle tinsel]

I’ve never heard of cold stoarwge

Storage

I hate mobile

[potent portal]

Cold storage would be things like video/music library, gaming you want at least a sata SSD

[brittle tinsel]

I have ssds for the slower games but the ones that load really fast anyway I’ve got on a 5400rpm

[potent portal]

Yeah smaller games are fine on HDD but for things like fps games or high detail games SSD is best

[little osprey]

What’s y’all build?

[brittle tinsel]

I don’t have one right now but planning on 5900x and 3060ti - 3080 what ever I can get my hands on first

[potent portal]

R7 5800X, 2070 Gaming Z, 16GB@4133, MSI gaming plus X470, too much storage too list lol

[little osprey]

Lol

How much storage?

[potent portal]

6 different drives with mutiples of some for RAID, total is around 5 TB

[little osprey]

Wow nice

[potent portal]

I'm pretty proud of my build for sure, I'll be set for a while

[brittle tinsel]

6 drives for only 5tb?
I have 6.750tb with 4 drives

Well I guess it’s not all that much better lol

Nvm

One is a boot drive so that doesn’t count

3 @ 6.5tb

[jagged ember]

Raid

[potent portal]

I have a smaller sata M.2 for Linux, and I didn't include my backup drive in the total which is 10TB

[jagged ember]

I want more storage tbh

[brittle tinsel]

Ah

Can’t wait till there are 100tb drives 😉

[potent portal]

Probably won't be too long at this rate. 100s of TB are pretty common for NAS these days, servers can get into PB.

[jagged ember]

Albeit with like 50 different drives, but yeah

Storage density can only get better

[potent portal]

Right but 1 PB divided by 50 = 20 TB per drive, there's even higher capacity storage right now

[brittle tinsel]

What’s after tb is it petabytes or something like that?

[potent portal]

Yeah petabyte then exabyte

[brittle tinsel]

How many tera in peta and how many peta in exa? Same 1000 format?

[scenic quiver]

1024

[jagged ember]

Like gibibytes huh?

[potent portal]

Yep 1000 per (as far as drive manufacturers are concerned)

[brittle tinsel]

Yeah

[jagged ember]

Storage units are weird

[brittle tinsel]

Then windows is like 1240 or 1024 something like that

[potent portal]

Windows counts by the 1000

[brittle tinsel]

I don’t think so

[jagged ember]

Drive manufacturers count by 1024 iirc

[potent portal]

That's why your 10TB drive only has 9.2TB of space

[jagged ember]

The discrepancy is due to manufacturers

Or windows

Depending on how you look at it

[brittle tinsel]

I think you got it backwards fal

[potent portal]

You might be right, it's hard to count when you've had as much sake as me

[muted patio]

https://tierradatarecovery.co.uk/why-does-my-1tb-hard-drive-offer-only-931gb-of-space

[brittle tinsel]

If manufacturing Says 1024 and windows says 1000 it wouldn’t make windows count a 10tb as less it would count for more

[potent portal]

Right, other way around, Windows counts GiB (1024) and manufacturers count GB (1000)

[near garden]

Anyone know If the Segotep 650W Fully Modular Power Supply 80 Plus Gold Certified good ? For $70

[little osprey]

this?

[wispy goblet]

Hi there curious if anyone could help out

[near garden]

Yeah but 650 watts fully modular

[desert gulch]

fully modular not needed

[little osprey]

^

Just nice to have

[languid nimbus]

[little osprey]

oof

dead chat

[unique rapids]

Do I also have to plug psu to the additional 4-pin ATX power connector? Ex: With asus prime x570/ryzen 5 3400g/asus rog strix 3060ti build?

[tight sorrel]

no.

24pin + 1x 8pin is all you need

[little osprey]

Hey guys I need some high static pressure rgb fans for my Kraken z73 cooler. Any recommendations?

I only found the Ek vardar evo 120er d rgb which look good

Cooler ist top mounted in 5000d airflow

[vital matrix]

What's the actual difference between the ASUS ROG Strix b450-F and B450-F II? I can't really find anything significant between the two.

is it just higher support for ram speeds?

[gusty abyss]

might be a minor difference in headers or i/o or something?

[vital matrix]

I saw it now. An additional LED header.

[fierce hull]

that a good build ?

im gonna upgrade psu to 650w

[fierce hull]

its a good build ?

[tight sorrel]

yes

[fierce hull]

finally

and its also cheap

its for 1400

$

[little osprey]

only when heavily overclocking

[tough kettle]

A 3400g “heavily overclocked” does not call for the extra 4 Pin EPS connector

[little osprey]

never said it did

5950x/3950x is where it needs it

[tough kettle]

No it does not

[little osprey]

Why else would they even bothering putting it on x570?

[little osprey]

5950x/3950x definitely needs it at max voltage or over safe daily

[tough kettle]

?? What has an x570 to do with a 5950x?

[little osprey]

the 4pin???

Why put a 4 pin on a socket thats not gonna need it?

[tough kettle]

Ok so only X570 boards have an extra 4 pin connector?

[little osprey]

B550 and b450 high ends have it too

was referring to the AM4 socket

not the chipset

in that guys case

[tough kettle]

Even a520/b450 boards have it

[little osprey]

he has an x570

[tough kettle]

It’s just a useful thing to have

[little osprey]

i said b450 had it

[tough kettle]

If they ever launched a Cpu needing it

[little osprey]

a520 doesn't have overclocking capabilities

its useless

[little osprey]

they wont

AM4 is EOL

[tough kettle]

A520 can do BCLK overclocking

[tough kettle]

You can never tell

[little osprey]

Does that have anything to do with CPU overclocking/overvolt?

No

thaats ram

[little osprey]

AMD has said themselves AM4 is EOL

[tough kettle]

Are you officially dumb?

[tough kettle]

I’m talking before zen 3

BCLK overclocking is not for RAM

[little osprey]

Does it involve increasing voltages sufficiently enough to require the 4 pin?

LOL

[tough kettle]

It dosent have to do anything with the voltages

[little osprey]

Exactly

[tough kettle]

It’s to power being comsumed

[little osprey]

the 4 pin is useless on an a520

[tough kettle]

And?

It’s also useless for a 5950x

[little osprey]

ur dense

[little osprey]

Wrong

[tough kettle]

I literally proved it

[little osprey]

heard of increasing voltages

Btw

thats stock :p

[tough kettle]

Did u even read the graph properly

[tough kettle]

You obviously didn’t

[little osprey]

You realize that 8 pins are usually rated for 150W right?

253W is over

[tough kettle]

That’s so wrong

[little osprey]

"thats so wrong"

[tough kettle]

It’s rated for 336w

[little osprey]

ur dense

[tough kettle]

what?

8 pins are definitely not rated for 150w

Ru actually dumb

[little osprey]

8 pins are either 150 or 336

not all 8 pins are 336

hence "usually"

[eager chasm]

https://c.tenor.com/L8nQOHAF3VYAAAAM/thriller-michael-jackson.gif

[tough kettle]

the 8 pin EPS 12v connector on his board is for 336w

[little osprey]

the connector...

not the cable

[tough kettle]

cable/connector

That too for burst loads

[eager chasm]

This entire argument is stupid, just put a CPU in a matching board and fill as many of the EPS plugs as your PSU will allow and it will probably work almost all of the time

[tough kettle]

8 pin PCIE is 150w

8 pin EPS is 336w

[little osprey]

not gonna argue this with you

[tough kettle]

Because ur wrong

[little osprey]

LOL

[tough kettle]

336W is the absolute maximum "Burst" load (meaning the maximum you can draw before the cable will be damaged quickly). Trying to pull 330W sustained through a single 8 pin cable long term will slowly melt / burn the cable or connector!
https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-X99-Classified-EPS-8-pin-m2695861.aspx
https://www.overclock.net/threads/asus-crosshair-vi-x370-question-regarding-power-delivery.1624394/

8 pin EPS is rated for 336w regarding burst loads

5950x overclocked pulls lower than that

[little osprey]

ironic

[tough kettle]

Don’t even consider XOCers

[little osprey]

253W

[tough kettle]

That is burst loads

Not sustained

[eager chasm]

Why are both you twits even arguing this? It's seems absolutely pointless on both sides.

Right or wrong

[tough kettle]

Well he clearly got proved wrong

[tight sorrel]

summary: 4 pin connector only needed if you overclocking a 5950X

[tough kettle]

Eh no

[eager chasm]

It can run perfectly fine in a small form factor build with just an 8 pin in an ITX build

[tight sorrel]

let me put a caveat: just to be safe?

[eager chasm]

[tough kettle]

I don’t think any of us mentioned SFF

[tight sorrel]

bro, we cant even agree on the wattage used, now you bringin in SFF? you want to start WW3?

[eager chasm]

Point it it runs fine in systems that only have 8 pin

That snip of a chart is the 5950X overclocked

If you are gonna get it, get it, if you aren't, then don't. You'd be hard pressed to find an 8pin board it wouldn't be fine in as long as you don't go dirt cheap.

[tight sorrel]

never mind finding a PSU that actually has that extra 4 pin EPS cable

[eager chasm]

My 750W has 2 8pin EPS, didn't need the extra 4 pins but I plugged them in anyway

[little osprey]

This cost about the same as my budget setup. With the messed up graphics card market, should I get this?

10700 is overkill for just 1660 🤔

for upgrade yes its good

[tight sorrel]

I think its literally the best you can get for a reasonable price these days. im thinking of getting one myself to pair with a 5900x simply because everything is is just so stupidly overpriced

[little osprey]

mostly 1660s are overpriced too but if you find good deal yeah its nice card

[tight sorrel]

no, for sure overpriced, but not nearly as bad as the 30xx cards

[little osprey]

Are two Noctua Nf-A14 or three Noctua Nf-f12 better in the Corsair 5000d airflow. Looking for the most performance with the lowest noise under these two fan types.

[dapper patio]

what are your opinions on my build

[tight sorrel]

that cup holder is first class!

[dapper patio]

lol thanks!

its the bomb because now i dont have to worry about spills anymore lmao

[ancient wraith]

can anyone please help me

[wanton cliff]

what GPU do you have

[ancient wraith]

2060 super

ive been using the noise removal and this morniing it says this

nvm i fixed it

i reinstalled nvidia drivers

[wanton cliff]

coolio

[full atlas]

Check this out on @Newegg: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6-Core 3.7 GHz Socket AM4 65W 100-100000065BOX Desktop Processor https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/p/N82E16819113666?Item=N82E16819113666&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-19-113-666-_-03112021 pog

[rich void]

5600x stock has gotten to be pretty good

[odd crypt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gxcQ9N

Is this good

[stoic island]

Dunno if I'd call it "good", but I'd try and get something like a G6600 with a better iGPU for an iGPU build at 40$ more, and for the SSD, I'd just grab a sn550 for 1$ more

[balmy patio]

the p31 gold is on sale

i'd grab that fs

[stoic island]

Eh

@balmy patio looking at the total cost, not sure if they could spend another 50$

[balmy patio]

the 500gb variant is 60 bucks

[stoic island]

Hm, go for it if the sale doesn't end by the time they buy then

[wicked frigate]

Is p31 good

[balmy patio]

yeah

[odd crypt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KQZBdD

Also this

I'm waiting for GPUs to stop costing a crypto rn

[little osprey]

Do you plan to get a GPU

then that should work. Would go for a different PSU

[odd crypt]

Thing us

Is

I already got the purchased stuff

For christmas last year

[little osprey]

Please don't tell me you got aresgame

[odd crypt]

I did

Srry

I will post a yt video on it

When ever I get all of my other stuff

[little osprey]

I guess your taking that risk.

[odd crypt]

Yup

@little osprey I'm probs gonna get a 1050 ti

Off of ebay

[little osprey]

Good luck.

[formal cosmos]

why are my temps so fcking bad

70-80 playing VALORANT

ALL LOW SETTINGS

[little osprey]

Filter.

[robust lake]

@formal cosmos cpu or gpu temps?

[formal cosmos]

cpu

gpu is at like 50c

[robust lake]

Your cpu volt is defult or did you over clocked your cpu?

[formal cosmos]

i didnt mess with the cpu

and yesterday i was getting like 70c idle

on chrome

[robust lake]

Maybe your power plan is max preformence or something and its overheating your cpu or the cooler isnt good but im not realy good with those things so wait for someone else to tell you too

[formal cosmos]

.

[robust lake]

Which cpu is that? I see you have stock cooler

[formal cosmos]

5 3600

[robust lake]

it should still be good for stock clocks tho so idk

Yes it should be fine

[formal cosmos]

this?

[robust lake]

Yes set it to normal maybe and see if it changes

Thats gpu tho

[little osprey]

LMK how the aresgame goes. Can't tell you what to do, if something happens. Not much info on the brand.

[robust lake]

I meant in windows settings

[muted patio]

Because you're using the stock AMD cooler

[formal cosmos]

idk where thats at

[muted patio]

That's pretty par for the course with the stock cooler TBH

[formal cosmos]

but still

[muted patio]

They run warm

[little osprey]

&

^

[formal cosmos]

70 on idle...

[muted patio]

it's super common

Forget idle temps

Load is what matters

[robust lake]

@muted patio my friend have 3500 overclocked to 4.1 with stock cooler and he doesnt go above 65 in stress test

[muted patio]

Low idle temps are just for bragging

[little osprey]

Pretty much, any stock cooler can run warm. As long as your CPU aint an oven, your fine.

Can't ryzens run to like 95c?

[muted patio]

3500 is a different CPU to the 3600

[little osprey]

Also thermal paste, ambient room temp etc

plenty of variables.

[robust lake]

yes only 6 theards so i guess it runs way less warm

[muted patio]

3600 has a higher base and boost clock

than the 3500

You also have 3 intake fans

and only 1 exhaust

[little osprey]

[muted patio]

I'd try and move a front fan to the top to exhaust some heat

particularly the bottom fan in the front

[little osprey]

^ exactly that, exhaust prob can't push enough air out

[muted patio]

to the top of the case right by the processor

[little osprey]

but all the air is just sitting in the case.

[muted patio]

Take you 5 minutes to see if temps improve or not

[little osprey]

Still don't understand how the Vermoo v5 runs amazinly.

Just more heatpipes?

[muted patio]

Heatpipes and fin density

[little osprey]

Looked pretty great, saw Jayz video how it compared to a AIO

[patent wharf]

4600h or 10750h

[formal cosmos]

when i turn on silent mode my temps go down by A TON

but the clock also goes down

[muted patio]

Yep

Try moving the bottom front fan to the top of the case by the CPU cooler

So it can exahust hot air from the CPU

[desert gulch]

mhmm you want to have a neutral or slight positive pressure in your case if anything

i have 3x120 intakes, and 1x120 + 1x140 as exaust

my 140 moves almost as much air as a couple of my 120 intakes, so its pretty neautral pressure in there

[little osprey]

how’s the 5600x

[desert gulch]

seems pretty decent for 300 dollar range

[formal cosmos]

should i leave this how it is

[desert gulch]

yeah thats stock

if thats what your going for

[little osprey]

Sorry quick question lmao. Forgot to ask. How do you calculate CFM?

since I have different diameter fans in my case.

[desert gulch]

its on specs of fans you bought

[little osprey]

Basically wouldn't I need to calculate intake cfm

and exhaust

[desert gulch]

but different stuff can effect it

[little osprey]

and see if it equals?

[desert gulch]

not too much

[little osprey]

for "Neutral

[desert gulch]

lots of variables

you just want to be decently close

[little osprey]

I have 2x 140mm fans intake, top 1 140mm and 1 120mm and exhaust is a 120mm

ive been getting decent temps though.

[desert gulch]

wait so one exaust?

[little osprey]

Top is exhaust also

[desert gulch]

ohh ok

[little osprey]

140mm and 1 120mm

[desert gulch]

ig if its working for you yeah

looks pretty good

[little osprey]

Just curious since its different diameter fans

[brittle tinsel]

CFM?

[desert gulch]

but filters can affect how much the actual cfm is

[little osprey]

didn't realize the case couldn't fit a 140mm exhaust.

Corsair Airguide and Noctua redux

[desert gulch]

CUBIC FEET PER MINUTE

of air

they can push

[brittle tinsel]

Ah

[desert gulch]

mhmm

[little osprey]

Here.

[desert gulch]

standard measurement

[stoic island]

Cfm measurements wack

[desert gulch]

for fan stuff on pc

lol yeah my intakes are crappy 120's

[little osprey]

Basically i haven't been getting excess dust

[stoic island]

Need dedicated testing to compare cfm

[little osprey]

or bad temps

[stoic island]

Rating is wack

[little osprey]

gpu hits max 40c

lmao

[desert gulch]

so my p14 can prolly do as much as 2 120's lol

[little osprey]

prob cause i have a heatsink and 3 fans on it

Was debating if i should stick delta fans on it like floppa lol

[stoic island]

Finger choppers?

[desert gulch]

mr1 quick question are you decent with mechanic stuff?

like on vehicles

[stoic island]

No sorry, need vintage for that

I actually know 0 things about vehicles

Other than it goes zoom

[desert gulch]

oof

yeah looking for vintage once hes

on

cause i may potentially be like 3 grand in the hole

if i get unlucky here lol

[potent portal]

I'm a car guy too, what's the problem?

[little osprey]

Wait so you can ziptie them to the gpu?

[desert gulch]

so basically

i have an 04 duramax

lly

and i was pulling stuff earlier this morning with it

prolly around 18-20k lbs on a gooseneck

[muted patio]

oof

[desert gulch]

had to pass a car going like 50 on the highway

pedal to the floor to get speed

[potent portal]

Oh hey, speak of the devil and he appears

[desert gulch]

and it lost like all pwoer

i limped it back home without the trailer at 50 mph maxed out

[little osprey]

Wonder if i should buy a honda odyssey like my parents

and a trailer kek

[desert gulch]

checked fuel filter

[little osprey]

once i learn to drive

lol

[desert gulch]

but im fearing its injectors

vintage you got any ideas of other stuff to check?

[muted patio]

Turbo

[desert gulch]

hmm how would i check that?

[potent portal]

With loss of power that's a good place to start

[muted patio]

Pull the intake tube off

[desert gulch]

it was still spooling a little

[muted patio]

Look at impeller

[desert gulch]

ok

[muted patio]

Spin it with your finger

check for oil

Look for damage

[desert gulch]

ok ill do that

[muted patio]

Especially if dark smoke

Means too much fuel, not enough air

[desert gulch]

ok

anything else while im out there?

[muted patio]

Check to be sure all your intake piping is intact

and not leaking

No holes in Intercooler if you have one

[desert gulch]

ight ill be back in like whatever it takes me to check all that

[muted patio]

LLY?

[desert gulch]

yup

[muted patio]

mmmmmm

[desert gulch]

which isnt known for injector stuff

[muted patio]

If not turbo, then injectors XD

[desert gulch]

as far as ive heard

[placid canopy]

Anyone ever built a router?

[muted patio]

Not injectors themselves but the harness.

[potent portal]

What do you mean? Like customizing a cisco rack router?

[muted patio]

I don't know if this is even a thing?

[little osprey]

^

Lmao

I think most people here just buy routers

[placid canopy]

i mean like a home brew x86

drats

i think OTR routers blow

[little osprey]

Lmao

[potent portal]

"Homebrew" the closest thing you can get is DD-WRT or similar

[little osprey]

All of these look like tiny designs

and not actual routers.

[placid canopy]

pfSense

yeah

thats whut um talkin bout

essentially it's just another PC with an expanded networking card

[brittle tinsel]

What aio is better than nzxt z73 but doesn’t have rgb?

[little osprey]

I mean, there is arctic freezer ii

[brittle tinsel]

Is it better, or just better price perf?

[little osprey]

iirc price/perfo and better.

[brittle tinsel]

And it doesn’t have rgb?

[little osprey]

Just overall good

Wrong link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=KPaSEGe6ML0&feature=emb_title

[urban dove]

Hi

[little osprey]

No RGB

[balmy patio]

ek-aio basic is also a nice option if you don’t like the way the liquid freezer ii looks like

[little osprey]

Honesty was debating getting it.

Since need something better than my 212, and it would show me how to install an aio lul

[potent portal]

It's not super complex installing an AIO, just takes a bit more planning

[balmy patio]

tbh

[little osprey]

and sure would be better than my 212 lul

[urban dove]

Hi

[brittle tinsel]

What’s he talking about vrm fan? Isn’t it a aio for the cpu?

[balmy patio]

the thing in the pump

[muted patio]

There's a fan on the CPU block to cool the motherboard VRM

Since a traditional CPU cooler usually does it, AIO's don't, so they added one

It kinda sorta works too

[urban dove]

Hi

[brittle tinsel]

Can you use 2 different gpus separately? An acquaintance told me to use my old gpu to run a monitor on and use the 30 series card (don’t know which one I’ll get) for the game monitor and streaming

But it’s not gonna be SLI

[little osprey]

Yeah.

I sometimes plug a radeon into my second slot

just displays on another monitor weaker

[potent portal]

Totally doable, sometimes even recommended to work around issues

[little osprey]

^

Especially when drives are fussy

when 3000 series drivers were whack

used that to test.

[brittle tinsel]

It’s just plug and play or?

[wanton cliff]

just dont use an AMD card and an Nvidia card at the same ime

[brittle tinsel]

My old card is a 1060 3gb and my new one will be either 3060ti 3070 or 3080 whichever is in stock first

[wanton cliff]

alright thats fine

you can even use the 1060's NVENC encoder so you dont sacrifice any frames in your games while streaming/recording

[brittle tinsel]

I’ve old used an amd gpu once in my life, traded it for a 1060 3gb

Only not old

[brittle tinsel]

Really? But isn’t the gpu encoder on the new rtx better?

[potent portal]

It's better to offload that entirely and the other card can focus on encoding

[wanton cliff]

yeah but why would you use that one when you can use the other one and take load off completely

[brittle tinsel]

Would a 1050ti handle encoding for 1440p gaming? Asking for a bud who is upgrading, he is 1440p gamer streamer I just stick to 1080p

[little osprey]

^ Yup

[wanton cliff]

just stream in 1080p

[brittle tinsel]

I do but he can’t it makes a lot of his screen black on stream, he is using 1440p ultra wide or something like that

[wanton cliff]

wtf why

[brittle tinsel]

His monitor is

[wanton cliff]

why would you stream with an ultrawide monitor

lmao

stupid

[balmy patio]

screen real estate prob

[still roost]

Broslayszombies44#8018 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[balmy patio]

who wouldn't tho tbh

[brittle tinsel]

Really

[potent portal]

But that's going to make the stream look like poo for anyone watching

[brittle tinsel]

Another word for hoe is bad?

[wanton cliff]

yes

[balmy patio]

unless you stream it while in full screen

[brittle tinsel]

If it’s full screen it does that

[muted patio]

Hoe isn't acceptable used in that fashion either

😉

[wanton cliff]

you could change aspect ratio in-game

[balmy patio]

unless you stream without full screen i meant

[brittle tinsel]

I was saying my friend is a graphics (insert word here)

[little osprey]

Aren't hoes used to plant crops?

[balmy patio]

ikr smh

but most people don't use them anymore

[balmy patio]

tractors are cooler

[brittle tinsel]

He spent an entire 2 hours complaining about how he doesn’t like borderless

[balmy patio]

yeah i understand lmao

wait wdym?

[potent portal]

Tractors aren't practical for home gardens tho

[balmy patio]

like he doesn't like bezzels or he loves them

[brittle tinsel]

Wym I use em time to time, fl weather right now just makes it difficult to start

[urban dove]

Hi

[wanton cliff]

#general-chat message

[brittle tinsel]

Bezzels?

[balmy patio]

yeah

the bezzels

[brittle tinsel]

I don’t even know what that is

[balmy patio]

*bezel

[thorn willow]

Jeff bezels

😎

[brittle tinsel]

Or even bezel what is that

[wanton cliff]

its the little thing around the panel

[balmy patio]

the part that surrounds the panel

[wanton cliff]

you can see it now

[thorn willow]

monitor - actual display

[brittle tinsel]

Boderless doesnt have bezels does it?

[thorn willow]

uh

[wanton cliff]

panel*

[wanton cliff]

every screen has bezels

every monitor that is

[brittle tinsel]

Oh

[thorn willow]

ok

[brittle tinsel]

I don’t know

He just says he hates playing games in windowed boderless

Because in game it won’t let him set vsync to his monitor hz and he thinks that is big deal

[thorn willow]

[wanton cliff]

this is a bezel

[brittle tinsel]

Yeah

I get that now

[wanton cliff]

dont ever turn on vsync in games

hurts performance

[brittle tinsel]

Actually on my old pc it increased my FPS

[muted patio]

nVidia settings, Gsync on, in game Vsync off.

[wanton cliff]

on higher refresh rate monitors, it usually brings it down to 60 hz

[muted patio]

Vsync is basically 60 hz lock

[brittle tinsel]

Hmm when I played r6 siege, I only got maybe 40fps set vsync in game on and got 120

[muted patio]

Interesting

[urban dove]

WhT else

[brittle tinsel]

Yeah that pc was old and had a ton of weird things happen