This is a test outside the case
#building-and-recc-chat
muted patio
little osprey
^
desert gulch
or they could just short it right?
desert gulch
yea
little osprey
You can short it.
balmy patio
screwdriver trick
desert gulch
I did that to mine when testing it outside of case
balmy patio
gotta love it
little osprey
Touch a metal screw driver between the two pins.
I don't have a power button my pc currently lol
little osprey
I start it up with a screw driver every morning
desert gulch
he made ohms law
little osprey
lmao
balmy patio
smh
desert gulch
which makes it impossible to do cool stuff
like shock yourself on a car battery
smh i hate ohm
full atlas
I got my 45$ ram to 3800 cl15
little osprey
full atlas
And it’s stable 1.4v
uncut pelican
Nice
storm flicker
i cant seem to find “PWR_SW” anywhere
little osprey
Motherboard model?
little osprey
^
muted patio
PWR SW on the connector from the case
storm flicker
AH
little osprey
Do they say anything on the back when you flip it?
little osprey
^
muted patio
Yes, that
little osprey
^
muted patio
XP farming is going to bite you really hard here really quick
desert gulch
^
little osprey
wanton cliff
XP farming is going to bite you really hard here really quick
why lol
little osprey
Because I tried typing it faster
wanton cliff
I technically farm but I farm by actually helping people here lol
little osprey
but racer already answered his question.
desert gulch
mhmm
desert gulch
vintage how is robo doggo doing?
storm flicker
luv u guys
desert gulch
pog looks sick bro
storm flicker
def fin drop some pics when i finish this bih
desert gulch
yeah id love to see it
heavy herald
My pc won’t post, gpu works fine tested on another pc, ram glows up but not sure, and the rest turns on
small osprey
what cpu and mobo
heavy herald
5 3600 and B450 Steel Legend
small osprey
any debug lights on?
heavy herald
I’m not sure if the mobo has debug lights because i don’t see anything
stoic island
Steel legend has no debug led or flashback
that's sad
@heavy herald any chance you could get another board to test?
Any b550 board
worn wave
the B450 Steel Legend had the same VRMs as AM3 era boards
heavy herald
i have my friends
worn wave
iirc
stoic island
Can you slap all of your parts other than the mobo into their PC?
assuming board is am4
heavy herald
yes
they got a 5 3600
and b450 aorus pro wifi with debug
but i’m gonna try ram first
my pc kept restarting before
stoic island
Why not just a surge protector strip
formal cosmos
is this one good? Belkin 12-Outlet Power Strip Surge Protector, 8ft Cord(3,940 Joules), Gray https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000J2EN4S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_RDBZ80K8B7FDMB05CGX3
can you link me a good one? under $35 or sum
shrewd charm
So having trouble installing Debian keep trying to use full install but keep getting issue of no internet connection. Just built a new computer with msi mag b460m mortar motherboard. Have ethernet cable connected but not able to connect to internet. No idea what drivers to choose? Any advice
uncut pelican
do you guys recommend any?
I have a good one but it cost 90 bucks
Its battery and surge prot with 8 outlets
formal cosmos
is the one i linked good?
uncut pelican
Yup
visual dawn
Hello everyone! I have great news, I’m finally building and I’m almost done. But I’m stuck. There’s a few cords that the instructions didn’t mention. Can you help me out?
This first cord is from the chassis. I think it’s for the fans but it doesn’t connect to the motherboard. The book for the chassis didn’t talk about it.
One is front end, the other is the back end.
wary geode
what nerds wanna help with a pc i shipped out recetly
haha Im on my last straw and i wanna hurt myself
visual dawn
Is vintage racer and mr1111 online tonight?
potent portal
Yes, if you got a modular power supply there will be a cord with an end that fits one side of that cable and it almost certainly used to power fans these days
visual dawn
Yup I found it. Thank you so much!
Can you figure this one out too? It comes from my cpu cooler. The kraken z63
potent portal
what nerds wanna help with a pc i shipped out recetly
Can you be more specific on the question? Being vague doesn't get you help as much as being more detailed
wary geode
ah yes i forgot
visual dawn
wary geode
so im a flipper and dela with torubleshooting often but this one stumped me so it of course worked before shipment and now doesnt turn on to continue the leds on the mb light up but the power button doesnt work we tested the power connectors and using a screwdriver but it wont turn on
potent portal
That's the fan controller right? Looks like it's to power the fans
potent portal
so im a flipper and dela with torubleshooting often but this one stumped me so i...
Did you use instapak to secure the components?
visual dawn
That's the fan controller right? Looks like it's to power the fans
The fans plugged into a big cord.
potent portal
The fans plugged into a big cord.
The fan controller would use the extra power direct from the power supply so that it doesn't rely on the motherboard, since those can be limited in power
visual dawn
The one I’m pointing to this that end.
potent portal
The one I’m pointing to this that end.
Found it in the manual, it's the RGB
tulip dragon
whats a good psu to get for a 3080ti?
to use for oc a cpu and gpu?
potent portal
like i said all components shipped fine
If you shipped it in one piece then it's possible a component came loose, usually the graphics card
potent portal
Do I need a kit for that?
It's optional to connect other devices that are compatible with NZXT
visual dawn
It's optional to connect other devices that are compatible with NZXT
Ok, so I can just leave it hanging since I don’t have those?
potent portal
Ok, so I can just leave it hanging since I don’t have those?
Should be fine, manual specifies it's optional
potent portal
whats a good psu to get for a 3080ti?
to use for oc a cpu and gpu?
I wasn't aware the 3080 ti came out
visual dawn
Should be fine, manual specifies it's optional
Thank you for helping me with the mystery cords. I’m almost done.
visual dawn
I wasn't aware the 3080 ti came out
My 3080 fe recommends 750 psu.
potent portal
My 3080 fe recommends 750 psu.
General consensus on here is 850 watts for the 3080 due to extreme power spikes that cause protections to trip, but he specified 3080 ti which is not released
tulip dragon
then what would be a good psu to buy for a full tower case
i am running a 750 right now and i have had it for over 5 years
so i need to get a backup as a just in case
potent portal
Due to capacitor aging you can expect in about 5 years of average use a power supply will lose 10-20% of its potential power, so you'll want a new one for sure if you're planning on a 3080. It would almost certainly trigger shutoffs when the GPU spikes.
Pretty much any A tier power supply from this list 850 Watts or higher will be good, even overclocking
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40/
tulip dragon
thanks
visual dawn
Due to capacitor aging you can expect in about 5 years of average use a power su...
Kinda worries me that I have a 750. It’s an evga platinum.
tulip dragon
i forget multi rail is better to have then a single right?
potent portal
EVGA tends to have good protections, but if it shuts off for no apparent reason while benchmarking or stress testing you'll know what the issue is
Multi vs single, each has its benefits
Some light reading, small article
http://dynapowerusa.com/difference-between-single-rail-and-multiple-rail-power-supplies/
visual dawn
I think that was the last cords. Gonna clean up the cords in the back and put the sides on. Do you guys want a video of it starting up when I get done? Or a picture?
potent portal
I think that was the last cords. Gonna clean up the cords in the back and put th...
Put it up in #build-pics when you're done
potent portal
u guys reccomend this one
A tier goodness, that will work nicely
visual dawn
Put it up in <#574740748801540107> when you're done
Will do. Thank you
wary geode
Connections for fp fine
And was working prior to shipping
Any clues?
Tested it without ram and gpu
muted patio
Prior to shipping from to where?
I watched the video and this part stuck out, looks like an FP connection is loose or not on all the way?
Try uinplugging the power switch and using something like a paperclip to connect the two pins instead
tulip dragon
just bought the ENERMAX Revolution D.F. 850W 80 Plus Gold 850W, Full Modular, Multi Rail, 7 Year Warranty, Power Supply, ERF850EWT
it will be my backup until iether i get a 3080 or my psu dies
rancid lodge
Yeah once I try to buy a 3080 ima try and run it off of a 850w, should be fine but who knows we’ll see
Still haven’t gotten the shipping information email from AMD on my 5900x though lol, been over 24 hours and they say it can take up to 48 which is yikes
rancid lodge
My case and RAM are just a state over now so they should arrive Sunday or Monday
tulip dragon
nice
tulip dragon
i am running a ryzen 7 3700x
wary geode
Touch pins with screwdriver and nothing?
Yes
tulip dragon
each of them
wary geode
If you can at me because I’m making food
rancid lodge
Yeah I got 32 GB 3600 CL16
muted patio
If you can at me because I’m making food
Post some pics of the connections if you can, on the motherboard and else where. You had mentioned shipping??? I'd guess something came loose.
wary geode
Post some pics of the connections if you can, on the motherboard and else where....
exactly my thought im sending all photos
The connections are good and I trust the guy
That video they were unplugged for the screwdriver
@muted patio
muted patio
CPU power connector top left looks like it's in upside down
Clip is usually at the top, not the bottom
muted patio
exactly my thought im sending all photos
See above
wary geode
you might be correcxt
muted patio
Also here it looks like there's a pin missing on the FP headers? Third in from the left top row??
visual dawn
Okay, I’m back. The mobo lights are cool but nothing else turns on.
muted patio
good, check that CPU power connector
visual dawn
I even tried taking the power button plug out and pushing it back in. Any advice?
muted patio
Same situation as here, pics of your connections pls. Something isn't right. Also, what motherboard and CPU?
muted patio
I even tried taking the power button plug out and pushing it back in. Any advice...
Sorry, see above
muted patio
What motherboard is that?
cursive wharf
unplug all cables from mobo but 24pin/case fans and try to power on. Should at least see PSU fan spin up and most likely case fans too
muted patio
CPU power might need to go one to the right but I'd like to check
visual dawn
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157981?Item=N82E16813157981 motherboard and cpu is below : https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i9-10900kf-core-i9-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118127?Item=N82E16819118127 and cpu cooler is https://www.newegg.com/nzxt-liquid-cooling-system-kraken-z/p/N82E16835146069?Item=N82E16835146069
I'll add the second cable to the cpu so i don't have to unplug. I'm quite scared since i don't want to break this
wary geode
Currant state
muted patio
I'll add the second cable to the cpu so i don't have to unplug. I'm quite scared...
Please don't change things yet
Just complicate the issue
visual dawn
kk
wary geode
CPU power is correct vintage
visual dawn
Please don't change things yet
okay, what is first step? I'll start there
muted patio
I'm reading the manual, hol up lol
visual dawn
good luck with that. 🙂 I noticed it jumped around a bit.
muted patio
Just one CPU power is fine where you have it but make sure they're fully seated. one looks like it's not in all the way or cocked a little bit
muted patio
CPU power is correct vintage
modular PSU? You mentioned shipping but didn't answer my questions?
visual dawn
Just one CPU power is fine where you have it but make sure they're fully seated....
yes they are both in and very solid. it is because the cords are turned back in that one goes down and one goes up
muted patio
yes they are both in and very solid. it is because the cords are turned back in ...
What about the rest of your connections? ALl those in the pics look fine, what abut 24 pin ATX, fans, etc?
wary geode
modular PSU? You mentioned shipping but didn't answer my questions?
its non modular
my apolgies for not responding
visual dawn
visual dawn
What about the rest of your connections? ALl those in the pics look fine, what ...
all seem solid and were carefully installed
cursive wharf
what about CPU mounting pressure?
muted patio
all seem solid and were carefully installed
Right but pics are worth 1000 words
Especially if you have a modular PSU
I've seen it before where someone left a PSU connection out
cursive wharf
this is primarily why I said to disconnect all cables but 24 pin. Easily counts random things such as CPU mounting pressure or a dead CPU to not happen.
Yes, the CPU cooler needs to apply a set amount of pressure on the CPU for the PC to work for Intel CPUs
visual dawn
visual dawn
this is primarily why I said to disconnect all cables but 24 pin. Easily counts ...
the 24 pin is only the mobo connector?
formal cosmos
Why not just a surge protector strip
but is a multi outlet plug good too?
i don’t want the power strip on the floor or mounted below my desk
cursive wharf
the 24 pin is only the mobo connector?
I mean 8 pin EPS also connects to the mobo (CPU power), but if you leave that plugged in then any CPU issues can stop the PC from powering on
weary kraken
does anyone know why when i upgraded my 8gb of ram to 16gb of ram my gaming desktop is more laggy?
cursive wharf
at this point I think it's best to unplug the connectors (just leave them hanging there, dont need to pull them out and completely remove them) until some fans spin. Then start plugging things back in until something stops working or it keps on working
wary geode
my apolgies for not responding
@muted patio
visual dawn
at this point I think it's best to unplug the connectors (just leave them hangin...
I turned on the psu and the motherboard lights up, but doesn't respond to power button
@cursive wharf @muted patio any ideas?
desert gulch
Is the front panel switch plugged into mobo?
cursive wharf
I'd say remove the EPS cable and see if fans spin up on pwr on
visual dawn
Is the front panel switch plugged into mobo?
yes, I also unplugged and replugged it
desert gulch
Hmm
Could always short those power pins
To see if it's the button on case notnworking
visual dawn
what is the eps cable?
cursive wharf
8 pin CPU power cable
visual dawn
kk
desert gulch
Hei you already try shortening power pins to see if power button is bad?
cursive wharf
I believe that was done with Vintage
desert gulch
Ahh ok
visual dawn
8 pin CPU power cable
still nothing. just a pretty mobo
@cursive wharf @muted patio should i just take it into my tech shop? I've worked with him before but it could be a long time until i get it back
desert gulch
Do you have a working pc all your components would work in?
visual dawn
no, just a craptop that is 6 years old
cursive wharf
unplug the SSDs/HDDs. Also remove the CMOS battery, flip the PSU switch (or unplug the PSU from the wall), then hold the power button for a few seconds (if it's unplugged hold a screwdriver/paperclip onto the two fp headers for power), then wait a minute, then plug CMOS back in and turn PSU switch back on (or replugin the PSU), then try to power on again
visual dawn
unplug the SSDs/HDDs. Also remove the CMOS battery, flip the PSU switch (or unpl...
what is an fp header? and i'm having trouble getting the battery out
lament fulcrum
what length should my replacement sleeved cables be for lets say a case like a 275r airflow or 4000d airflow
visual dawn
what is an fp header? and i'm having trouble getting the battery out
got the battery
visual dawn
unplug the SSDs/HDDs. Also remove the CMOS battery, flip the PSU switch (or unpl...
oh god... now it's dead
no lights now
ok. just did that again and got th elights back. I'm just gonna quit and take it to a shop before i truely kill it
potent portal
does anyone know why when i upgraded my 8gb of ram to 16gb of ram my gaming desk...
RAM latency will have more to do with responsiveness on the desktop, what speed and timings were the old and new memory?
I'm also assuming that you enabled the XMP profile
prime plover
#build-pics message
@sage crown cursed images
languid nimbus
😴
little osprey
I got a pair of speakers the other day, I like em
uneven mist
I got a pair of speakers the other day, I like em
what speakers?
jagged ember
made a build for a friend, aimed squarely as a gaming machine https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kV79QD
assess pls
jagged ember
they wanted it kek
lament fulcrum
what length should my replacement sleeved cables be for lets say a case like a 275r airflow or 4000d airflow sorry this is a repeat message
desert gulch
pls say you are joking
jagged ember
ITS NOT MY CHOICE
desert gulch
lol
jagged ember
but also they like the aesthetic
desert gulch
i think asus prime
is one
of the z490
or just go b560
also
sn750 is cheaper rn
and i believe it is faster than mp34
sooo
desert gulch
prolly
desert gulch
yeah since its a 10400f they could go b560
since b560 doesnt allow overclocking
and 10400f is locked
desert gulch
yea
prolly could go cheaper on ram and go with like silicon power stuff
same with psu
i think segotep is decent
desert gulch
idk
jagged ember
minus the case, obviously
little osprey
I'm about to replace my Asus psu for a corsair
desert gulch
y
little osprey
They're more modular compared to asus, especially at higher wattages
desert gulch
what one you gonna get?
little osprey
Idk yet
little osprey
I also have everything else corsair, and like I said their fully modular version have more slots compared to most other brands
desert gulch
ehh ig
potent portal
If you really want to go all Corsair the RMx series PSUs are good, I use one. A tier.
rancid lodge
Rip Rocket Lake
Just watched LTT’s wan show and 11700k is crap compared to the similarly priced Ryzen 7 5800x
potent portal
Uh oh, looks like 10nm wasn't enough and AMD out-innovated them?
They'll probably stay top dog in the low-mid though, right? (Intel I mean)
rancid lodge
Yep, it significantly underperformed the 5800x in most cases including all gaming tests
Well
5600x and 5800x supply is getting FAR better
potent portal
True, wegg has them in regular stock now, not just shuffle
rancid lodge
AMD’s prob gonna stay on top even in certain low-mid cases
I can tell you for sure that the 11700k though won’t be a great buy lol, 5800x claps it so hard
And 5800x is the most available out of the AMD 5000 series so
potent portal
Well you can probably blame all the reviewers that bashed on the 5800X for being bad at price/performance. It was almost universally recommended you get 5600X or 5900X.
rancid lodge
Yeah
I mean it is the worst for price/performance realistically but it’ll shine over the 11700k for sure
potent portal
I ended up getting a 5800X myself out of the shuffle a few weeks ago. I'm very happy with it, especially considering it was literally all I could get at the time lol
rancid lodge
Yeah I snagged my 5900x just Thursday, still waiting for shipping information email so I have no idea when to expect it
Said it could take up to 48 hours and it’s been about ~32 now so I assume I’ll have that information sometime this morning
potent portal
Sweet! I feel like we'll be set for a good while on these processors, at the very least until the second gen AM5 comes out and the wrinkles get ironed out.
rancid lodge
Yeah, only thing I’ll need to worry about soon is my GPU
potent portal
Not at that price it's not
desert gulch
aint the worst ive seen
potent portal
5500XT is awful though
desert gulch
looks like a rebranded ibuypower
o wait it says ibuypower in title lol
lol thought the model was the brand
oof yeah it is a 4gn 5500xt
8gb one isnt horrible
but 4gb is meh
4gb can have performane loss over %20+
but a 5500xt 8gb is pretty much a 1660 without encoders
potent portal
Yeah the 4GB is a little worse than a 1060 3GB tbh
desert gulch
yeah
really takes a hit on some games
others not so much
in some games 5500xt 4 and 8 perform pretty much the same
potent portal
Good luck playing fallout 4 or witcher 3 with that much vram, even in 1080p
desert gulch
mhmm
only 8gb of ram too
which may become a problem in some games
prolly not any more of a bottleneck than 4gb 5500xt tho
oblique falcon
Then cam someone possibly find me a freedom Within $700 range I would like to build my own PC but with inflated prices right now I almost physically cannot
oblique falcon
Ya
potent portal
There's a few prebuilts that aren't total ripoffs on newegg and a couple other sites, hang on I'll find a couple
potent portal
Here's the best option on Newegg I could find, just a bit over budget though
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali477/p/N82E16883360072
oblique falcon
Ok
potent portal
10400f + 1660 8GB is a respectable combination still, even with the GPU being a few years old at this point
potent portal
Yeah that's hardly the biggest concern on a prebuilt, you can always remove the side panel if it gets super hot
hollow grail
desert gulch
hi lili
hollow grail
hi lili
desert gulch
Hi lili
viral ore
:bean:
honest ferry
hello
little osprey
Hey guys I have Corsair Dominator rgb Ram, Nzxt Z73 cooler a Msi rtx 3090 and the Crosshair viii Dark hero Motherboard. I haven't installed any Software yet. Will the softwares slow down my pc when I install and configure them?
autumn wolf
no
little osprey
I thought so, because these will run in the background while gaming.
autumn wolf
they take up resources such as ram and cpu usage but not enough to see an actual impact
little osprey
Ah okay thank you very much
autumn wolf
also dont know if you do know, but icue works with or should work with your asus board so then you dont have to get icue and aura and msi's software
just need 2
little osprey
that means I can control the Dominator sticks rgb with Asus aura?
little osprey
Ah okay didn't know that thank you
sharp tundra
so for those of you who know the build i "want" to do, i need an opinion on this one, i think i already know your answer, but lets hear it anyways
that will be accompanied with a Corsair custom water loop
grand total would be around $3700
hollow grail
Hey guys I have Corsair Dominator rgb Ram, Nzxt Z73 cooler a Msi rtx 3090 and th...
depends on the software, do you mean rgb software or in general?
coarse cove
erm, I would like to setup a full home network with security, home media server, game server, etc, and also use it to learn the ins and outs of networking, hardware and such, where are good places to learn about setting up a network and managing it, expanding its capabilities, and in general just becoming more tech literate?
little osprey
Ah okay didn't know that thank you
iCUE will be about 30% GPU usage while the window is active
so keep it minimized
usage should be about 400mb ram and 5% cpu
minimized
sharp tundra
erm, I would like to setup a full home network with security, home media server,...
Um, idk if anyone here is qualified to suggest anything about home networks
autumn wolf
there are, just no one on right now
coarse cove
ah i see
autumn wolf
if you can, try and catch Lili
coarse cove
maybe ill come back another time
yea i was thinking of that
im mainly just looking for resources tbh
sharp tundra
youtube would be a great place to start
help yourself get a general understanding of how a home network would work so come the time you actually commit to it, you can simply just ask help with troubleshooting
but i can say, you might be spending a penny on a full home network
i assume youve already accounted for that tho
coarse cove
maybe, ill have a look at yt and maybe reddit, although it would be good to get an idea of other resources / websites etc i can learn from as well and use, and well it would be worth it since im seriously considering having a career in this area
hollow grail
erm, I would like to setup a full home network with security, home media server,...
youve described homelabs
also hi
im lili
coarse cove
im a lurker here
hollow grail
whatcha lookin 2 do
coarse cove
what im wondering is, well where should i be going to learn the ins and outs of all this, i'd like to setup a homelab to start but id like to eventually have a possible career in IT, so it would be helpful to understand my options
i guess
sharp tundra
i wanna try and figure out how to turn my galaxy tab s7 into a sim panel for elite dangerous
and other games
little osprey
what do you have mando where icue is taking 5% cpu <:uh:661280664334893086>
2400mhz ram
also
i likely have a much more complex profile than you lol
coarse cove
so basically id like to know where I can learn about networking as a whole
with the goal of eventually working in it professionally
hollow grail
so basically id like to know where I can learn about networking as a whole
set up server
learn virtualization
get switch
learn networking
coarse cove
alright
do you have any recommendations as to what hardware to start with? and also is lurking in subreddits on the stuff helpful?
sorry I don't know anything really at this point beyond yes server it does helpful stuff
sharp tundra
I mean, schooling would help you learn Information Technologies, but if you're looking to be self taught that may prove to be a little difficult just because its gonna be harder to find the help you may need later on down the road.
coarse cove
well, i do have a course on that, it's rather basic and on html at this point, in the future ill probably do a course in uni or sm as well
sharp tundra
There you go, you could also do an apprenticeship with a small comapny or something that has IT, that way youre gettning hands on experience
hollow grail
do you have any recommendations as to what hardware to start with? and also is l...
r/homelab good
coarse cove
yea aha, although atm i can't really, so id like to get my hands dirty anyways and get ahead a bit
hollow grail
becoming friends with me for free tips is also cool
get cheap vps (maybe even from lililabs) and learn to host projects on it
sharp tundra
lies, you gonna make him pay fines
coarse cove
i think your marketing of lililabs is working
hollow grail
im cheaper than digitalocean
coarse cove
free tips sounds great!
hollow grail
yeah baby 
coarse cove
maybe ill stop lurking and actually engage with the server lmao
sharp tundra
that helps too
coarse cove
aw, lililabs won't let me visit it
hollow grail
lililabs site is down for maintenance
sharp tundra
lili, do you have like 10g networking?
sharp tundra
so you have 500Gb networking?
coarse cove
wew, that's a lot
hollow grail
i have access to 500gbps networking yes
sharp tundra
thats wild
sharp tundra
so you actually only have 1gbps?
hollow grail
each one of my customers gets 1gbps
to do whatever with
does that make sense
you buy vps from me, it comes with 1gbps 99% of the time
sharp tundra
so basically, people pay you to run a server for them?
coarse cove
is it profitable? although then again you wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't
hollow grail
yes
i make enough to sustain it
i like being cheap
and helping people run their dreams
sharp tundra
so no Epyc?
coarse cove
ah
hollow grail
i do ryzen :))
sharp tundra
oh you do TR
hollow grail
my budget nodes are e5 though
sharp tundra
noice
sharp tundra
oh...
sharp tundra
so what cpu do you usually use for your servers?
hollow grail
all my intel nodes run on the Xeon E5-2680 V2
2 of them
so 20 cores and 40 threads per system
sharp tundra
your ryzen servers are the ones im curious about
hollow grail
3900x
sharp tundra
so, if youre using a 3900x, does that mean youre using gpus aswell?
sharp tundra
so how would you trouble shoot that specific vps if you have no way of seeing it?
coarse cove
are consumer grade parts less reliable as opposed to enterprise hardware?
or is that just a few cases?
hollow grail
so how would you trouble shoot that specific vps if you have no way of seeing it...
i have an admin console
hollow grail
are consumer grade parts less reliable as opposed to enterprise hardware?
ehhhh
i use asrock rack
enterprise ryzen
coarse cove
ah
i've only ever heard of intel enterprise grade stuff, so i really have a lot to learn
sharp tundra
well obviously you have an admin console, but without video coming from the server how can you see what youre doing?
sharp tundra
whats cli?
hollow grail
command line
the only way linux is meant to be used
havent even touched linux gui in 3+ years
coarse cove
well, i'm going off for the night, thanks for all this!
hollow grail
yes
hollow grail
well, i'm going off for the night, thanks for all this!
np!
feel free to dm and stuff
sharp tundra
so tell me, are most server centers servers run with APUs and GPUs or a CLI?
to troubleshoot and stuuf
hollow grail
cli only for 99.99%
if you actually know how to troubleshoot you dont need a gui
lol
plus i troubleshoot for clients but i charge $30 for every 15 mins
hollow grail
and thats considered cheap too lol
nope!
my cheapest instance is only $30 per year
sharp tundra
but what is that providing them?
hollow grail
1 core, 1.5gb ram, 20gb ssd, and 3tb of 1gbps traffic
sharp tundra
so basically enough to run a webpage
hollow grail
enough to run maybe 10 medium traffic sites and also a few services yeah
for just a website ur just gonna be using web hosting
which i dont do yet
mostly cause itd be like $3/month
and thats dumb when u can just get vps
hollow grail
yeah
sharp tundra
what do people usually get one of those for?
hollow grail
thats for a full server
doing their own hosting, huge projects, massive compute needs
stuff like that
sharp tundra
im thinking about the future, cause i may want something like a home network
hollow grail
128gb ram, 100tb of 1gbps
these are in a datacenter lol
wouldnt be able to take it home
sharp tundra
yeah, i know, i mean building my own network
hollow grail
what would u host
sharp tundra
and maybe other properties i own
well i mean like a network where i can keep remote storage backups, game servers, maybe run a website
hollow grail
oh fun
sharp tundra
so that way it can all be at my house instead of paying someone else to do it all for me
hollow grail
makes sense
idk i wouldnt do that at home tho
if youre wanting offsite stuff thats what im for
like if u want the server to have 1gbps dedicated bandwidth at all times and have any hardware failures taken care of by technicians and have 99.99% SLA
thats what lililabs is for
if u just wanna have a nas
get a nas lol
or u could get that fatty 10gbps
only 1.5k+ per month
but its unmetered
sharp tundra
so you think that if i want to run a game server, website, and a remote storage server, that i dont need to do it from home?
hollow grail
i think if you want to run all that stuff you shouldnt run it from home
besides the server
sharp tundra
cause i plan to build a nearly completely self suffiecient house, and that includes IT stuff
hollow grail
the storage server at least
like i mean u can rent drives from me but
that isnt too cheap
sharp tundra
i figured
so what are the major differences in networking speed? say i only get 1gbps from an internet provider, but i have 10gbps computer, would would i make it not a waste of money
hollow grail
no itd be dumb
unless youre doing 10gbps over lan
10gbps transfers to a nas is the most common example
and remember most isp will say 1gbps down
but will cap at 35 up
unless you have fiber
so hosting from home can be painful asf
if its just game servers and some sites a ryzen vps would be fine
as long as you can navigate cli
sharp tundra
well, in my home, i want to have starlink and fiber, fiber being primary and starlink being secondary(i have a reason for wanting both) i know starlink isnt ever going to provide 10gbps networking, but fiber does.
sharp tundra
well i would obviously have protection from potential exposures
hollow grail
such as?
sharp tundra
like vpns and firewalls
hollow grail
vpn is dumb unless youre ok with ip changing every 10 mins
sharp tundra
or other stuff that will keep me safe
hollow grail
and if you mean a vpn with a static ip
then that wont work either since itll bottleneck the network speed overall
and increase ping by a BUNCH
on my ddos protected instances each instance gets 60gbps of ddos guard
best way to deal with ddos attacks is just to eat the entire thing
sharp tundra
what i mainly want is protection from your typical white hat hacker, someone who knows what their doing, but isnt the best at it. now blackhats and feds, well, i most be doing something im not supposed to if theyre trying to breach my network
hollow grail
99% of the protection is just from you being under my ip range
unless you want your home ip getting scraped literally 2000x per day
sharp tundra
what would be wrong with that?
sharp tundra
So, giving all the customers you have, I assume yours maybe closer to 50000x a day?
Or more
hollow grail
closeish
but its a lot worse if someone accesses your home network
vs a random vps on my network
sharp tundra
But if someone accessed your network, wouldn't they get information on the whereabouts of it?
hollow grail
whatever you choose to host
sharp tundra
I mean the actual location where that "data center ip" is originating from
Cauae isn't the whole reason to have a VPN is to change your online location to anywhere in the world so that way you aren't being tracked online?
hollow grail
depends which datacenter
vpn doesnt do any of that lol
vpn only use is to have a different ip to scrape stuff with
lol
sharp tundra
What changes your online ip location
Like let's say I'm gambling online, I set my ip to Germany or something since online gambling in the US is illegal, what is that called
hollow grail
proxy
sharp tundra
Ok
And how effective is that against people finding out the origin of an ip
Against a novice hacker of somesorts
hollow grail
somewhat alright
sharp tundra
Sorry, I meant a decently experienced hacker
hollow grail
theyll find a datacenter ip no matter what lol
hollow grail
sharp tundra
Well if I was using a VPN, I wouldn't use a third party, I'd use my own
So that way I'm the only one monitoring my traffic
I assume there is ways to do from home right?
Set up a proxy
sharp tundra
Then how do third parties do it?
hollow grail
or you host vpn at home to connect to home network
by hosting on a vps
or a dedicated server
lol
sharp tundra
So how am I supposed to make a protected network of my own?
hollow grail
get good firewall and understand that every port you open is a disaster waiting to happen on a home network
lol
sharp tundra
What do you mean by port
hollow grail
i suggest you read about basic networking principles before attempting to host anything from home
sharp tundra
Well I don't intend to do any of this in the next couple years, this is future talk here, cause like I said, I won't a house that is nearly completely self sufficient.
hollow grail
then id learn now
get a cheap vps
learn to host stuff
then move up to hosting at home when you feel comfy
sharp tundra
Alright
hollow grail
other good providers are digitalocean and linode
so this feels like less of an ad for lililabs
sharp tundra
Lol
sharp tundra
I still have tons of thinking to do with this home, I'm just thinking about the future of my home network
I'll keep lililabs in mind when I start toying around with vps
sharp tundra
Well I'm still getting settled in at my new job, so I gotta wait on so things, it might be a couple months till I do decide to start learning about this more, but I definitely do plan on doing it
sullen spoke
Its very expensive to host vpn that uses other datacenters. Only way you could do it cheaper perhaps if you know some people in other countries and can use their network
hollow grail
but thats generally not fast
hollow grail
Its very expensive to host vpn that uses other datacenters. Only way you could d...
its not too bad
i mean like if u got 2 different lililabs instances and used each as a vpn
one in usa one in netherlands
its like 60 a year
not as good as commercial vpn but its still 2 static ip
not as good in terms of spare ip addresses*
remote kelp
okay
update
bad ram stick
99% sure
so that means the period of stability was when that bad stick wasnt being used
then it tries to use it and it's just like "nope"
remote kelp
but it's weird that the mobo, occt AND memtest didnt find anything wrong with it
novel mango
Could i ask if anyone is available to review this build?
blazing aurora
Could i ask if anyone is available to review this build?
solid but 64 gb of ram isn't really necessary
32 is more than enough
novel mango
well im always running low on memory at 16, and im trying to be conservative
small osprey
i recommend the liquid freezer ii 360mm for cooling
novel mango
ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler?
novel mango
game development, video editing, gaming. Development.
im hoping to keep it under 4-5k
small osprey
that looks pretty good then
maybe change storage to some wd blues
but otherwise its good
novel mango
I was hoping to go NAS actually
small osprey
oh if you want sure
novel mango
Whats WD Blues?
small osprey
hdd
hollow grail
Could i ask if anyone is available to review this build?
ironwolf is cring
novel mango
how so
hollow grail
I was hoping to go NAS actually
if ur getting a nas im the person to talk to
seagate has fat failure rates and their drives arent too good
small osprey
just listen to lili rant about storage
novel mango
what NAS would you suggest?
hollow grail
depends on what ur doing
small osprey
game development, video editing, gaming. Development.
im hoping to keep it unde...
@hollow grail
novel mango
well the NAS is going to have all my back ups. media aswell. probably have plex run off it?
hollow grail
plex sux
novel mango
alternative?
novel mango
hate plex that much eh? 😛
hollow grail
and just get some wd whites for the drives
at least 5 bays
i dont like being telemetried to hell on a self hosted service no
you buying prebuilt for nas?
novel mango
if its just about data collection and not about performance or UX then plex it is for me. aye, probably just synology
novel mango
for my server? or my rig?
hollow grail
nas
novel mango
i need to do more research. i thought it was just one unit you buy.
novel mango
i thought the NAS could hook up to multiple PCs. do i need a dedicated PC to run the NAS?
novel mango
aye, could you expand on what you mean go amd or intel only?
hollow grail
for the nas
novel mango
lmao round and round my brain goes
novel mango
if i buy that, can i connect to it from my pc, wifes pc and my future server?
novel mango
how do i know if its arm powered or not
novel mango
ah i see
novel mango
raid 10?
wicked frigate
Hey guys quick question will I need an commander pro if u have 7 fans or does the 4000d case already come with a hub
autumn wolf
4000d doesnt come with a hub
wicked frigate
Ok thx
novel mango
How do i know if the tower i am buying is going to fit all my new toys?
hollow grail
pray
autumn wolf
pcpp normally would say if its compatible or not and on site of the case or manuals or specifications will say the sizes they support
novel mango
hmm
jagged ember
you could just take a dremel to it
novel mango
dremel?
novel mango
must be a US tool lol
jagged ember
don't dremel your parts unless you really don't care about them
novel mango
never heard of the company
jagged ember
pcpp stuff should generally be good for seeing if parts fit together
if anything you can look at the dimensions of each part and see if they fit
uncut pelican
i just use this on graphics thing, y it no work
jagged ember
did u turn the tool on
jagged ember
lol yeah
uncut pelican
dremel + 3070 = 3090
jagged ember
dremel go brr lol
uncut pelican
true statement
jagged ember
oh, weren't you the one who posted the itx build?
uncut pelican
yessir
uncut pelican
if you have built a pc before its a bit harder
i didnt put a gpu in the one i did
idk how you would
it comes with a pcie extender tho
i kinda wanna try velka 5
jagged ember
maybe the gpu would be mounted somewhere else in the cause using the extender?
like the NZXT H1 without the fire, you know?
uncut pelican
xD
It goes in the rear part i think
But idk how to mount it...
Pc building is an expensive hobby lol
I was surprised when it posted first try
jagged ember
honestly that's pretty surprising for any build imo
most times i've fixed up wires or something in my pc i forget to turn on the psu or something
or i forgot to plug in the gpu cable once
uncut pelican
I have only built two and they both posted first and i was like 
Oh wait the first one didnt
I forgot to plug it in
jagged ember
it's always that lmao
uncut pelican
Ikr
hybrid lark
Firat build, help please
muted patio
Need to install windows.
hybrid lark
How lol I've gotten to this
torpid notch
I’m not really the smartest pc person but I think you should select a flash drive as your boot device and use another computer to download windows onto the flash drive and plug in the flash drive
muted patio
How lol I've gotten to this
Did you already have Windows installed or no?
Did you Take a drive out of an older PC and put it in there?
muted patio
Need an 8 GB thumb drive and another PC. Download and run the tool to make a windows installation on a USB drive you can boot from and install. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
warped scarab
Quick question, if I don't update my drivers on my graphics card, is it normal for my monitor to go black screen for a couple of seconds?
muted patio
If you DON'T update them?
warped scarab
Whenever it black screens, I go to check for driver updates and its there
hybrid lark
What next? Do I need to setup boot device?
warped scarab
So I was wondering if there was a correlation
muted patio
Go where to check for Driver updates?
muted patio
What next? Do I need to setup boot device?
You need to make the USB thumb drive with the tool I posted
Then boot from the USB stick
muted patio
Whenever it black screens, I go to check for driver updates and its there
Windows driver updates??
warped scarab
no geforce game ready
After I update it, it never black screens until another update comes along
muted patio
Oh, you mean after you click Install, it updates the driver and black screens while doing it?
warped scarab
No it's whenever there is a update available for my graphics card
muted patio
You probably have Geforce Experience set to auto install new drivers yeah?
warped scarab
No I manually install them
muted patio
I'm missing something, it's normal to black screen during a driver install
Not really any other time
warped scarab
Ya it does during the install which is fine. But whenever I do an assignment or browsing, it randomly black screens. So I go to check if there is an update on geforce experience, and there is always one available to download.
So I was wondering if I don't regularly update my graphic card drivers, would my pc randomly black screen until I update it
muted patio
It shouldn't but that's not out of the realm of possibility
fading acorn
would someone put together a pc that isn’t super expensive it would be for my dad he only play the cods when they come out
smth that could play 1080p around like 120 fps
desert gulch
Well what's the budget
remote kelp
is it advisable to run 3 ram sticks?
i found out my issue was a bad ram stick disguising itself as a bad gpu
and i can't find any single sticks which match my model
so im thinking if i should just buy a pair and either use one out of the two, or just have it sitting on 24gb
muted patio
Not really, once you exceed the capacity of a pair, the rest runs in single channel mode
muted patio
It'll work, just slow down
remote kelp
occt memtest and windows memory thingy all didnt detect the bad ram
and it was basically dying every time gpu tried to write on the bad stick
muted patio
Windows memory diagnostic only catches the really bad stuff
Need Memtest86 or TestMem5+anta777 to catch the slightly bad stuff
muted patio
so what caught it?
It may in fact be a bad slot on a motherboard if the ram testing utilities didn't catch it
summer pasture
@fading acorn https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xGvCVc
I put only 1tb of stirage since he only plays cods and it might be a while before he can get a gpu. You can get a different case if he prefers and might also be able to cut some price
winged lion
Why get i5 10050f
Or whatever the numbers are
Anyway the one with the F at the end
And then switch mobo
winged lion
^^^
little osprey
Anyone able to help me real quick?
desert gulch
Make sure tho if you do plan to upgrade cpu to a "k" cpu at some point go for z490 as it can overclock cpu and ram, while b560 can only oc ram
fading acorn
i already have a 3600 for him to use should have said that aha
but if i get my hands on a 3070 sometime soon i can give him my 2060s
marsh sonnet
Hey guys! How its going? I have been always a console gamer but now I really want to switch to PC. I have never dealt with gaming pc. I have a good knowledge about PC compenonts. But I have never managed to get one. But I saved some good enough money to buy a gaming pc a MID-budget not a high end one. So my question is do you guys recommend I get a pre-build one since I have never managed to install any PC part.
muted patio
BuildRedux is decent
ripe wedge
^
was just about to find that link
they allow you to take off the OS and install your own (basically saves $100 because you can get windows keys cheap)
remote kelp
so what caught it?
i uh i have no idea
muted patio
How do you know the ram is bad then?
remote kelp
cuz
i put both of them in the same slot
and one of them started crashing the heck out of everything lol
idk why the memtest stuff couldnt catch it
like, one stick of ram i insta crash everything and the other stick runs perfect
so it's not even the mobo, it's just derpy ram
i think one other guy actually had the same exact problem when i tried googling
but since the ram tests didnt detect anything i skipped over it thinking it wasnt relevant to me
and then i tried literally everything else and the only thing left was derpy ram or derpy mobo and i was actually tilting towards derpy mobo because of how nothing was detecting the ram issue
wanton cliff
Mobo is rarely derpy
remote kelp
XD the only reason i tilted towards mobo was cuz i had uh
a little "mishap" when i was applying thermal paste
but it's fixed now so everything is good :3
there is no longer a ring of visible thermal paste around the aio contact heat sink thingy
potent portal
Thermal paste isn't electrically conductive so not likely to cause issues if a little gets "misplaced"