building-and-recc-chat

[muted patio]

Or a different one?

[remote kelp]

phasmo

basically same thing

[muted patio]

Different game, still freezes. IMO, RMA the card.

You got anything else about the bootlooping issue?

[wanton cliff]

Nope

Could be the board

[muted patio]

Dangit

[wanton cliff]

But idrk how to test that

maybe we could try a CMOS clear?

[muted patio]

Did that already TBH

[wanton cliff]

Unfortunate

[blazing pilot]

any black case

[wanton cliff]

P500a

[blazing pilot]

under 99

[wanton cliff]

P400a

[blazing pilot]

had that one in ym build for 116 i think cant find it

[wanton cliff]

P400a should be cheaper

[alpine thunder]

Is there anyway I could post a video?

[wanton cliff]

Get a CPU with an iGPU

We’ve ruled out that it’s not the card itself

It could be the board

[muted patio]

Upload to YouTube and post here

[wanton cliff]

Or a Google drive thing

[remote kelp]

there's no weird error in the event viewer even this time

[wanton cliff]

RMA the card

[muted patio]

The card isn't stable in any slot even though everything is as it should be

[wanton cliff]

Last thing to do is try another rig, if you haven’t done that already

[alpine thunder]

Gonna do the Google drive thing

[remote kelp]

should probs mention putting it in the x8 got rid of the afterburner underclock

and suddenly everything is fine

i mean

it got rid of the underclock and it was crashing still but suddenly everything is now fine

[tawdry lance]

Anything I should know before I start building my PC?

[wanton cliff]

Yes

Be confident

And don’t be afraid to ask questions here

[muted patio]

Read ALL the manuals. Get familiar with ALL the parts

[tawdry lance]

How much thermal paste is too much?

[muted patio]

Above all else

If it doesn't fit DON'T force it 🙂

[wanton cliff]

Just do a pea sized drop

[wanton cliff]

Looks at DIMM slots

[muted patio]

what did you do

[fossil halo]

good question

[muted patio]

I was meaning more about motherboard screws and power plugs lol

[wanton cliff]

Oh

Also one more thing

[fossil halo]

oh shoot is this man building?

[potent portal]

Technically? It doesn't matter but you'll have more mess the more you put.

[fossil halo]

put like a small x

[wanton cliff]

Most of the parts are a lot less delicate that people make them out to be. This does not, however, mean that the parts shouldn’t be handled delicately

[tawdry lance]

I think imma stick to the pea size blob

[fossil halo]

yea

[wanton cliff]

^^^^

[fossil halo]

pea sized is good

[potent portal]

The processor is pretty delicate though, other parts you could drop and they're fine

[fossil halo]

yea

processor and gpu

[wanton cliff]

Depends on if you are talking AMD or Intel

[fossil halo]

lol

[potent portal]

Even the GPU would be fine

[fossil halo]

intel cpu u can put it through a sawmill and it would be fine

amd processor you touch it it dies

[wanton cliff]

Not quite

AMD, the only thing you have to worry about is the pins and heatsink

The pins can be fixed most of the time

The heatsink is harder to damage enough where it doesn’t work as intended

[tropic ginkgo]

@hollow grail

[wanton cliff]

Oh, you

You’ve been here a long time

What are you pinging lili for?

[tropic ginkgo]

askin sumthin

[tawdry lance]

How do you damage the heatsink?

[wanton cliff]

Just DM her

[wanton cliff]

Scratch it or something

[tropic ginkgo]

ok

[tawdry lance]

any tips for working with huge air coolers

[wanton cliff]

Make sure the heatsinks line up correctly

That’s pretty much it

[potent portal]

Make sure your case has enough room

[wanton cliff]

At this point, it’s too far past the point of no return

[tawdry lance]

Yeah case says 165mm of clearance and the cooler is 162.8mm in height so it should fit

[wanton cliff]

Yep

Which case and cooler?

[potent portal]

It'll be tight but yeah it should fit

[wanton cliff]

3mm off is more than enough

[tawdry lance]

td500 mesh and dark rock pro 4

[wanton cliff]

Oooh

[potent portal]

2.2 mm is pretty tight to me

[wanton cliff]

Nice

Not really

It’s black and white with clearance like this

Either it fits or doesn’t

[potent portal]

Right, which Is why I said it will still fit but there's not much more room than that

[wanton cliff]

I’m just trying to say there is no such thing as ‘tight’ and ‘not tight’ in situations like this

[tawdry lance]

I am just happy to start gaming on a desktop instead of my loud flaming laptop

[fossil halo]

did u finish building

[tawdry lance]

I just started

[alpine thunder]

@wanton cliff

[wanton cliff]

What

[alpine thunder]

Gah lee

That was instant

[wanton cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-i-am-speed-lightning-mcqueen-cars-meme-gif-14031708

[alpine thunder]

Do you have a macro to respond or something?

[fossil halo]

pc building is easy

[wanton cliff]

No lol

I was just here

Watching

[alpine thunder]

I'm bout to send you the video

[wanton cliff]

Waiting

[fossil halo]

i wanna try a speed build

eating whta

i had burgers today

pretty good

oh i thought she was eating LMFAO

[little osprey]

One question. Are the RAM Qvl lists on the x570 platform something you have to pay attention to?

[fossil halo]

hello mr yung rey what would you like help with today my good sir

[little osprey]

😂

[ripe wedge]

for weird offbrand ones yes

but for more main stream ram they should work

[little osprey]

Okay thanks @ripe wedge

[wanton cliff]

G.Skill and Crucial are two brands that you should buy from, unless you get an amazing deal on something else

[ripe wedge]

but most ram works anyways

[wanton cliff]

Corsair is alright

[ripe wedge]

corsair vengeance are meh

[little osprey]

I looked at the Corsair Dominator rgb ones

[ripe wedge]

those arnt bad

whats the speed and timings

[muted patio]

Here's the thing

If all you're gonna do is XMP

Just get ram for your speed and timings

[little osprey]

3600mhz cl16 18 18 36

[muted patio]

only pay attention to Micron E die and all the other stuff if you're going to try to OC or care about eeking every last drop of performance

[muted patio]

No

[ripe wedge]

well like I said you should check if its a weird brand like Oloy

but regardless they should work

[muted patio]

Even Oloy is OK

Silicon Power too

[little osprey]

Okay thank you for your help @muted patio @ripe wedge

[wanton cliff]

What about me?

[ripe wedge]

lol np

[wanton cliff]

[little osprey]

@wanton cliff you too 😂

[wanton cliff]

Thank you for the recognition

Soon everyone will know the name @wanton cliff

[little osprey]

💪🏾

[fossil halo]

oloy ram p good

looks kinda weird tho ngl

[wanton cliff]

False

Oloy sketch as hell and bad die and timings

Plus I’m p sure it has a high failure rate but I have to check that

[deft harbor]

yo guys should i just get a nzxt starter pc for my first pc

[potent portal]

Link it

[wanton cliff]

No

[muted patio]

iu'd have a look at these folks over NZXT https://buildredux.com/

[wanton cliff]

NZXT =

[ripe wedge]

redux good

[wanton cliff]

NZXT is also for people who are

[ripe wedge]

I love that redux allows you to install your own OS to make it cheaper

[wanton cliff]

Really nice

[remote kelp]

i put my gpu back in the 16x just in case, didnt fiddle around with it after i put it in this time, same thing (after forgetting to plug in pcie cables and freaking out at why it wasnt displaying a screen), probs gna contact the seller on monday, the majority of those huge dips in mem clock rpm is basically crash

[deft harbor]

is there a prebuilt that is around the $700-800 mark

[wanton cliff]

It basically becomes a PC you built at that point

[wanton cliff]

I wouldn’t prebuild

[ripe wedge]

prebuilts are ok

hard to get gpus rn

[wanton cliff]

100% do that

[tawdry lance]

I do not have to activate windows right?

[ripe wedge]

ill have a look

[deft harbor]

ok well do you know a good pcp list thats around $700

[ripe wedge]

it would be hard as heck to get a gpu

[deft harbor]

ik but im still saving up

[ripe wedge]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali467/p/N82E16883360052? something like this would be good

[wanton cliff]

Correct, but you lose out on some features

Mostly cosmetic stuff

[ripe wedge]

it is kinda oof cuz its just a normal gtx 1660 which has GDDR5 but it would still be ok for 1080p gaming

[deft harbor]

i might just build one myself instead

[wanton cliff]

Good idea

You save a lot of money

[ripe wedge]

GL finding a gpu

[wanton cliff]

Plus it becomes more personal

Your PC, not someone else’s that you bought

[fossil halo]

nzxt is basically like

[ripe wedge]

https://www.nzxt.com/refurbished-components

[wanton cliff]

Bigga bout to say something dumb

[ripe wedge]

there is a gtx 1660 super up here for $190

[tawdry lance]

Do people actually buy windows keys at retail price?

[ripe wedge]

no

if you do you are

[fossil halo]

its like

hard to desribe

📉 🧠

[wanton cliff]

Nope

[ripe wedge]

smooth brained

[wanton cliff]

eBay has them for pennies

[ripe wedge]

not literal pennies

[fossil halo]

🤏 🧠

[ripe wedge]

like $5

[fossil halo]

is better

[tawdry lance]

Do they work?

[fossil halo]

yea

or dude

tbh just use it unactivated

[deft harbor]

1660 s or ti

[alpine thunder]

What do I do?

@wanton cliff

What do I say?

[fossil halo]

neither

[ripe wedge]

S

[deft harbor]

wdym

[fossil halo]

they are both miles above msrp rn and they are otudated cards

[ripe wedge]

ti is also good but harder to find cuz discontinued and also tad more expensive than super

[fossil halo]

just get a 3060 its boutta drop jan 25th

[wanton cliff]

Show the video

[ripe wedge]

3060 will be like $250 probs

[deft harbor]

just found a refurbushed 2060 s for 340

[ripe wedge]

no

[wanton cliff]

$330

[ripe wedge]

bad

[fossil halo]

329 msrp

[ripe wedge]

oh 330

thats not terrible

[fossil halo]

3050 will prob be that much

250

[wanton cliff]

@alpine thunder show the video

[fossil halo]

but hAsNT beEn ConFIrMeD

[wanton cliff]

It hasn’t though

[fossil halo]

that is true

[wanton cliff]

We don’t even know if there will be a 3050 or not

There wasn’t a 2050

[fossil halo]

its done everything except been confirmed

[wanton cliff]

False

[fossil halo]

that is true there wasnt a 2050 but there was a 1650

[wanton cliff]

I haven’t heard anything about it

[fossil halo]

really?

[wanton cliff]

16 series was a weird generation

[alpine thunder]

https://youtu.be/vFVXetUQ-8o

[wanton cliff]

Outdated a few days after it came out smh

[alpine thunder]

Need help with this

[fossil halo]

it was it was supposed to be like pascal but better bnut turing but worse

[alpine thunder]

Everything comes one but no display

[fossil halo]

what motherboard

[muted patio]

OH

[alpine thunder]

X570 strix itx

[wanton cliff]

Strix X570 ITX, but don’t pay attention to bigga @alpine thunder

[muted patio]

need to do the battery CMOS reset

Instead of the screwdriveron the pins

[wanton cliff]

That’s literally what I said earlier but alright

[muted patio]

That doesn't always work

[fossil halo]

bruh

[muted patio]

Well, they said they did a CMOS reset

[muted patio]

I know but I didn't realize they did the screwdriver on the pins

[wanton cliff]

Oh

Yeah

[muted patio]

That doesn't always work

[wanton cliff]

Is there a time when you know for sure shorting it won’t work for some reason?

[alpine thunder]

Gotta find cmos battery now

[muted patio]

Take a picture of the board

Right by the ethernet part

Where the ethernet plugs in

I thikn you'll see a button cell with wires there

[wanton cliff]

Should be under GPU

[alpine thunder]

This?

[wanton cliff]

By the PCIe 16x lane

[muted patio]

Nay, from the top

Sara, it's an ITX

I can't find a battery

[alpine thunder]

This?

[muted patio]

Lol, was that under the GPU?

Wait no, that's your CPU cooler

[wanton cliff]

Heh

LCD screens be like

[muted patio]

Looked like a button cell tho HA

[deft harbor]

what cpu should i get for my $700 build

[little osprey]

That‘s some nasty cable management

[wanton cliff]

Hold on, lemme make a build for you

[deft harbor]

oh ok thx

[muted patio]

It's outside the case for testing

[alpine thunder]

It's only gonna get worse

[ripe wedge]

10400

ill try and make a cheap list

[little osprey]

@muted patio oh okay didn‘t see ist

[muted patio]

I found your battery

[alpine thunder]

Where is?

[deft harbor]

thx a lot guys

[muted patio]

Plugged into the board in the red circle

Please tell me you have one

because if not, that's your issue

[alpine thunder]

That little thing?

Up top?

[wanton cliff]

@deft harbor https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HPmky4

Here is a list for you

[deft harbor]

thx a lot

[wanton cliff]

Wait

Before you go

I want someone to check that list

I think I put some bad parts in there

Oh wait

[deft harbor]

should i add a barracuda 2tb to that list

[wanton cliff]

Yeah I 100% did accidentally put a B350 board on that list

One sec

[deft harbor]

ok

[wanton cliff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yFfvCz

Alright that’s better

[deft harbor]

thx

[wanton cliff]

Oof that’s $800 tho

Also about your 2tb drive

Do you already own the barracuda?

Or are you asking about adding some time soon?

[ripe wedge]

flip out that case

use this instead

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-MasterBox-Micro-ATX-Tempered/dp/B0842TKK19

[fossil halo]

barracuda kinda lame right

[wanton cliff]

Yeah

The P300 is fine

[ripe wedge]

better airflow and 2 fans included

[wanton cliff]

And full ATX too

P300 has fans included

And great airflow

[deft harbor]

i just added a hdd int it and now its $870. is that a good price for a beginner

[ripe wedge]

mmm yeh but no mesh front

also

[wanton cliff]

Which HDD?

[ripe wedge]

id recommend getting 3600mhz ram vz 3200mhz

[wanton cliff]

Change it then, Jake

[ripe wedge]

im assuming its the seagate 2tb

[deft harbor]

barracuda for 2tb

[wanton cliff]

No

[ripe wedge]

its meh

[wanton cliff]

WD Blue or Toshiba X300

[ripe wedge]

it would be fine its cheap

[deft harbor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kRsLK3

oof still have to get the gpu

nvm

[wanton cliff]

としぴ

Toshiba

Fun

I spelled that right

My brain is massive

[granite lily]

CPU coolin in a gaming PC that I want to run a 3090 and a 3070 in to mine when im not gaming, AKA at work or sleeping. Go with a AIO CPU cooler ot noctua NH d15?

[remote kelp]

last ditch effort i tried plugging pc directly into mains, same thing, 2 errors each for gpc 0 to 5

[wanton cliff]

What CPU?

Hello?

Which CPU are you going to be using?

[granite lily]

Hi! {Probably a 3600x or 3800x w\if its owrth the upgrade

I can fit up to a 360mm radiator

not sure about depth

[wanton cliff]

Wdym if it’s worth the upgrade?

What do you currently have?

And on what board?

[granite lily]

Not a thing, fresh build

[wanton cliff]

Oh ok

[alpine thunder]

@wanton cliff

Pray for me

[wanton cliff]

I would try going for a 5600x then and then getting either any EK/Arctic 240mm AIO or the NH-D15

[alpine thunder]

Vintage bout to have me do something

[wanton cliff]

It’s preference at that point really

[wanton cliff]

Ok

[granite lily]

Is this how it works?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/sefdgsDG/saved/

[wanton cliff]

Tell me what happens

[wanton cliff]

It’s blank

[granite lily]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/sefdgsDG/saved/#view=87Wfyc

[wanton cliff]

First thing I notice

Mighty overkill motherboard

Lemme check the rest

Im sure you can get better cases at $200

There isn’t any RAM on the list

[granite lily]

still deciding on that too

[wanton cliff]

P500a is good

[granite lily]

open to suggestions

[wanton cliff]

I would recommend Crucial Ballistix 32 GB 3800-4000 MHz

Preferably 4000

[granite lily]

ty ty

and cooling is just my preference? if its running 24/7 aio cooler ok?

[wanton cliff]

Yeah

Arctic or EK 240mm

360 is way overkill

And the NH-D15 performs about the same if not better than a 240mm AIO

Well

It’s not that 360 is overkill

You just don’t benefit from having a 360mm AIO on most CPUs

A 5800x or better (or, hell, even a 3990x) might need a 360mm AIO

But not much else

[potent portal]

Yeah I'm finding out the hard way my 5800X might want a 360 😅

[granite lily]

so 5800x if I get it is ok with 260mm?

[wanton cliff]

5800x generates almost as much heat as your average Intel CPU

[wanton cliff]

240*

And yes, it should be.

Hopefully

[potent portal]

If it's a good 240, mine's a "budget" one that was fine for my 2700 overclocked but now...

[wanton cliff]

Heh

2700

That thing generated no heat whatsoever in comparison

[potent portal]

Hey that 2700 pulled almost 150 Watts

[granite lily]

sorry meant to type 360

[wanton cliff]

Oh

Then yeah

I would get a P500a or O11 also

One of the few times I recommend an O11

Since you could probably put a water block on that 3090

[wanton cliff]

It’s not about the wattage, it’s about how much electricity was lost to ambient electricity loss

[little osprey]

true

[wanton cliff]

Because that electricity turns into heat when lost

[potent portal]

True enough but it was hot enough to prompt me to move to water cooling to overclock it

[wanton cliff]

You lose less electricity, you make less heat

[wanton cliff]

Well, yeah

[little osprey]

so more electric you make more

heat

[wanton cliff]

The more electricity you lose, the more heat you make

[little osprey]

oh sorry

[wanton cliff]

And you tend to lose a pretty constant amount of electricity relative to wattage right now

So, in essence, yes

The more wattage, the more heat

[potent portal]

All other things being equal, yes

[wanton cliff]

Until we (humanity) can come up with a better way to keep electricity from being lost

[potent portal]

We'll get there. We'd already be there if NASA wasn't so underfunded, but that's another discussion.

[wanton cliff]

A whole different pickle

Which starts to break the ‘no politics’ rule

I agree but that’s not the point here

[potent portal]

I saw it as more an "avoid politics" so a light mention of one topic shouldn't matter

[wanton cliff]

Who knew it would be cold in Colorado, 5000 feet in the air XD

I’m shivering and I’m inside

Under a blanket

Next to a fire

[little osprey]

colorado is away fromthe sun

[wanton cliff]

I’m above the clouds

[little osprey]

yea but electricity can move around a circuit in two different ways. ... The bigger appliances in your home use a different kind of electricity called alternating current (AC). Instead of always flowing the same way, the electrons constantly reverse direction—about 50–60 times every second

[wanton cliff]

Yeah I know

PCs use DC

That’s another thing BTW

[potent portal]

AC appliances still lose energy to heat though

[wanton cliff]

Modern PSUs are inefficient at the exchange from AC to DC

[remote kelp]

is there a way to undo factory overclock other than msi afterburner underclocking? maybe it could be an unstable oc causing the nvlddmkm errors (that afterburner somehow doesn't counteract)

[wanton cliff]

No

If the factory overclock is broken then you just need to RMA the card

Because that shouldn’t happen

[potent portal]

You can turn down the clocks on most cards, how much depends on vBIOS, but only do that for testing

[remote kelp]

ah okay

[uneven mist]

trying to trouble shoot a pc

basically getting no output or signal

and tried multiple gpus

integrated graphics

[wanton cliff]

Indicator lights when you turn it on?

[uneven mist]

andjust have a boot led

[wanton cliff]

It’s probs your monitor then

Try with a different Pc

Or use a laptop or something

[uneven mist]

tried 2 monitors

[potent portal]

I'm assuming you've tried unplugging the monitor and leaving it for a few minutes, possibly reset settings to factoty

[wanton cliff]

CMOS clear your board

[potent portal]

2 different monitors? Yeah CMOS clear

[uneven mist]

well idk if ive do e it right

bc i took out battery

waited few mins

[wanton cliff]

Keep it out for 10 minutes minimum

[little osprey]

1
Turn off your computer.

2
Unplug the cable running from your monitor to your PC and plug it back in, making sure the connection is firm. The most common cause of this error is a loose cable.

3
Reattach the cable running from your monitor to your PC. If the monitor is still not displaying a signal after firmly reattaching the cable, the problem could lie with the cable, especially if the cable has visible damage.

4
Replace your monitor with another monitor if possible. If the "No Input Signal" error still appears, the problem does not rest with the cables or the monitor, but with your PC.

5
Open your PC case and locate your video card. Remove the card and then replace it firmly in its slot or, if possible, insert the video card into another slot on your motherboard. A video card that is not making a firm connection will not display images to the monitor. Close your PC case and test the monitor again.

6
Replace your video card completely. Your video card may suffer from internal damage that is not allowing it to output a signal.

[wanton cliff]

We already went through the fact that it’s not the monitor’s fault

And we are currently testing everything else

[uneven mist]

ok

so is my cmos good

[remote kelp]

i found this answer on the microsoft answers website, it sounds kinda similar to what im experiencing maybe(?) the OP in question also experiences crashing every time they reboot

[wanton cliff]

We got boot lights from both dGPU and iGPU, so it’s likely not a GPU problem

[wanton cliff]

Try the solution it suggests

[uneven mist]

idk if i got a boot light from igou

and ive tried about 3 gpus

[wanton cliff]

Keep it out for 10 minutes, and make sure your PSU is off

[uneven mist]

ok

[wanton cliff]

Unplug it if you have to

[uneven mist]

alright done

timer set for 10

[wanton cliff]

Alright cool

Now while you are here

Why is your PFP that of XQC?

[uneven mist]

hehe

[potent portal]

Newer nvidia drivers can auto overclock, but it usually needs to be enabled (no I don't mean boosting)

[wanton cliff]

That sounds cool

That like Rage Mode or something?

From AMD?

[potent portal]

No it's a literal auto overclock, you can access it from the GeForce Experience OSD

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-adds-new-gpu-monitoring-overlay-and-overclocking-features-to-geforce-experience

[wanton cliff]

Fun

Gonna use that on my 3070

[potent portal]

It automates the trial and error process of testing overclocks, and automatically applies as needed

[wanton cliff]

Oooooh

Me want

Gib

[small osprey]

that look cool

[alpine thunder]

@wanton cliff

[wanton cliff]

Nani

[alpine thunder]

It's done

[wanton cliff]

Is it fixed?

[alpine thunder]

I believe you mean 何

But ill let it slide

So I got the heat shield off

[wanton cliff]

I just type in romaji

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wanton cliff]

Ok

So

Is it fixed?

[alpine thunder]

Unplugged the battery hasn't been a minute yet

Also I minor in Japanese so its instilled in me now

[wanton cliff]

It’s only my first year and I just barely finished the first semester a few weeks ago

[alpine thunder]

Howd it go?

[wanton cliff]

So I’m not even fluent in Hiragana yet

[alpine thunder]

You'll be fine

Trust me

I started off self taught

[wanton cliff]

It went alright. I slid by with a D because I didn’t study, but I’m doing much better this semester so far

[alpine thunder]

That's good dude. Keep it up. I'm on to learning Korean now.

[wanton cliff]

First Japanese now Korean

[remote kelp]

i found somewhere that apparently the normal operating specs for 3070 is 1500-1750mhz on gpu and 1725mhz on memory(?) but mine tends to spike to 7kmhz on memory randomly, would that be a faulty overclock on the factory side? (but the most i can do is -500mhz on the memory via afterburner)

[alpine thunder]

Yup I speak Japanese, French, mandarin and hopefully Korean soon

And some sign language

Also I think its been a minute

Gonna try to plug it back in

[wanton cliff]

See

I only speak English (obviously) and Lithuanian

[uneven mist]

just put battery in and got a boot

[wanton cliff]

I’m trying to learn Japanese but it’s a hard language in comparison

[wanton cliff]

Is it working?

[potent portal]

*1750 memory
It shouldn't spike like that, memory isn't even supposed to boost. Might be a program bug.

[wanton cliff]

Yeah I would get an RMA for that card

[potent portal]

Core boost clock varies by model

[wanton cliff]

Seems like it has some clock bugs in it’s VBIOS

[remote kelp]

yeah, possibly

every time i restart it seems to be trying to fix those bugs

hence crashing and error

[potent portal]

Potentially. A vBIOS flash maybe?

[remote kelp]

and then i assume after a while it sorts those out

and everything works fine

[wanton cliff]

I don’t even know how to do that

[potent portal]

It's pretty simple, I've done it on a lot of cards. Miners do it all the time.

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=NVIDIA&manufacturer=&model=RTX+3070&interface=&memType=&memSize=&since=

Find your model, they have a database of all the known vBIOS versions, you can flash the latest

[wanton cliff]

Fun

[remote kelp]

yikes, okay

[potent portal]

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-nvflash/

If you're worried:
5.660.0 (September 30th, 2020) - Adds support for NVIDIA GeForce 30 Ampere

[remote kelp]

is there a

way to save the current vbios

[potent portal]

Yes, you can use GPU-Z for that

[muted patio]

I mean, that's the base freq

Something like afterburner will report more

Mine for example is like 10 GHZ memory or something

1700x6

[remote kelp]

ahh right the x6 part

wait i may have confused gddr6 with x6

so mine would be 4x base

[wanton cliff]

3070 has G6, not G6X

[remote kelp]

oh i confused the gddr6 vram thing with the boost multiplier XD

[wanton cliff]

Heh

Fun

[muted patio]

I mean

It's actual 1750mhz

14 GBPS effective

MSI Afterburner will report it at like 7000 or 14000

[wanton cliff]

Vintage

[remote kelp]

oh, okay 7000 is normal then(?)

[wanton cliff]

Make-a-me as smart as you

[muted patio]

yes

[potent portal]

But why would it switch between the 2? I thought that was what was happening

[muted patio]

My dear, I'm 41 years old

[muted patio]

Clocks down when at rest

[remote kelp]

oh it doesn't switch between 7000 and something

yeah

[potent portal]

Ah true

[remote kelp]

it spikes up to 7000 randomly

then jumps back down (resting)

[muted patio]

I know you don't want to but I honestly believe you need to RMA the card

[remote kelp]

it's actually outside their business hours rn lol

i'll contact them on monday about it

[potent portal]

Yeah, you can try the vBIOS flash but it really does probably just need to be replaced.

[remote kelp]

i dont wanna accidentally void warranty if vbios flash messes up though

[muted patio]

Fantastic idea

I agree

[remote kelp]

even though im aware u can flash back lol

the spiking

[muted patio]

What card again?

MSI ventus )C

OC

2 fan?

[potent portal]

This one then?
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/226482/msi-rtx3070-8192-201012

[muted patio]

Was checking to see if it had a vbios switch but it does not

[remote kelp]

oh, yeah msi ventus 2x oc

[potent portal]

Oh so this one
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/226234/msi-rtx3070-8192-200913

[remote kelp]

(gpu re-stabilised itself and i can use it properly right now i think)

LOL, nvm, closed game and entire screen went poof, had to restart

[wanton cliff]

Imagine Samsung

And not TSMC

[remote kelp]

oh, i found a different error, happened around 40mins ago

[muted patio]

yeahhh, that's the GPU

is ded

[ripe wedge]

RMA moment

[remote kelp]

kay then it is rma time

[wanton cliff]

Lmao

I wonder what happened to the card

Poor thing

[remote kelp]

i have no idea

[muted patio]

hard to say

Some are defective, it happens

[remote kelp]

i mean, i accidentally dragged the gpu clock to +1000 at one point in msi afterburner but i think since i was fiddling around in there something had already happened

[ripe wedge]

oof

[remote kelp]

card was delivered on 9th, put it in, was fine, then restarted and noticed it i think

and then i started asking around and poking in msi afterburner

so i'm pretty sure that was after the card started doing weird things

heaven working again

phasmo just killed it

lol

[wanton cliff]

Until it doesn’t and you get another error log

[remote kelp]

yup tried launching phasmo and it did the thing again

i can move around, do stuff, game is just frozen

[wanton cliff]

Check other Unity games

Try launching SCP: Secret Laboratory

Free on Steam, good unity game to test on

[remote kelp]

first thing i ever noticed was when i tried twin saga

like right after i got the card installed

and it blackscreened on the ending of the x-legend logo

but then fixed itself on the splash loading screen thing

[wanton cliff]

I have no idea what you are talking about but ok

[remote kelp]

oh, it's a 2016 game

at the start right after you launch you get this sequence with the developer logo

and towards the end of that sequence i get a blackscreen until it finishes

that's always happened no matter what i did

[vital rover]

Feels bad. I haven’t had any problems with my 3070

[remote kelp]

i had a gt 710 installed previously just to set the pc up

so at first i thought it was some remnants of that thing

there wasnt any issues but i tended to overload it by accident since it was 1gb

[vital rover]

That might be why. But, hopefully you fix it somehow. I was sitting around for like an hour and a half wondering why my build wasn’t turning on, turns out I had one thing connected to the wrong place, which was the power button.

Could also be static, though kind of unlikely, I was warned about that too

[remote kelp]

im usually pretty paranoid about static

[vital rover]

Then hopefully, but unfortunately, it’s a manufacturing problem. Don’t know how else to put that. I’ve been told by a bunch of people(before I got my 3070) that it isn’t even guaranteed that I’ll get it. Bought it from eBay brand new. Nothing wrong with it. When I was asking for help trying to figure out why it wasn’t turning on one said it could be dead, which could also be your case in some way. Like I said I haven’t had any problems with mine, so I could only imagine what it is

[remote kelp]

i ended up queuing for 2 months, not sure what'll happen if im gna need an rma lol

[vital rover]

Depends on who or what company you got it from. I’ve seen people having to wait months, some a few weeks

[remote kelp]

you have got to be kididng me

[tawdry lance]

So I am currently trying to q flash my bios, but the bios light is not turning on

[remote kelp]

monster hunter world just crashed the gpu again

and it's doing the same thing now

[main whale]

Boy, I sure hope my mobo/cpu/whatever doesn't fry after my return/warranty expires.

[potent portal]

Disabling that microcode is a very bad idea. It could leave you open to those spectre and meltdown exploits that were going around a little bit ago, among other issues.

[remote kelp]

ah, noted

i changed the extension back after gpu crashed again

i'll just let it stabilise itself and contact the seller on monday

[tawdry lance]

can anyone help with flashing bios

[balmy patio]

yeah, what's up

[tawdry lance]

So I m trying to q flash my mobo and the bios light to indicate if it is flashing is not lighting up

[balmy patio]

on what motherboard?

[tawdry lance]

b550 aorus pro ac

[balmy patio]

are you using the correct usb port?

[tawdry lance]

yeah the white one

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vKLsBc I revised my build. Opinions? (144fps 1440p low settings)

Or should I change out for z490

[balmy patio]

ight, so far so good, are you sure that you have the correct bios version on the flash drive?

[tawdry lance]

yeah bios f12

its there latest non beta bios

[earnest olive]

why 1440p 144hz low?

probably looks worse than 1080p 144hz high on a 1080p monitor

[balmy patio]

looks good to me, i'd recommend sticking to 1080p high and changing the 2tb drive to this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bskwrH/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd20ezrz

[earnest olive]

umm

5400 rpm 😐

and costs more

[little osprey]

Ok if I were to run games 1440p on low-medium, could I get 144-165fps on that build?

[earnest olive]

depends on the game

most AAA titles probably not

[little osprey]

Fortnite and valor ant

[earnest olive]

i'm just not sure why you would choose 1440p low over 1080p high

ah

yeah those will be fine

[little osprey]

Ok. I just don’t like high settings on fortnite

[earnest olive]

1440p165 monitor costs like twice as much as 1080p144 though

so keep that in mind

[little osprey]

I already have a omen 27i from Christmas

1651440p

[earnest olive]

yeah you'll be fine

just uhh

don't expect to get the 3060 for $330

[little osprey]

Yeah true.

[earnest olive]

local retail store has 3060tis for 600

sad gamer moment

[little osprey]

Jeez.

[tawdry lance]

joesr my usb stick lights up but no bios light

i mean i click the q flash and my usb lights up for a little so would you think that it is updating it, but the bios light is just not turning on

[earnest olive]

honestly you can get away with something lower end than the 3060 for those games

the rtx 2060 averages 230 fps at 1440p low paired with a ryzen 5 3600

[balmy patio]

mainly just put it in there for the cmr aspect of the drive, figured that he was gonna put games innit and not just use it for mass storage

[earnest olive]

and the 3600 is probably the bottleneck there

[little osprey]

I see. what do you think about a i5-10400f and 2060s

[tawdry lance]

joesr do you think I should build the pc to see if it boots?

or would it just be a wste of time

[earnest olive]

even an i3-9100f + gtx 1070 will do 230 fps at 1440p competitive settings

gtx 1060 hitting 171 fps average, but i'd do 1070 or better just to up the 1% lows

gtx 1070 or 2060 will be fine

just look for whatever deals you can with how doomed the gpu market is right now

[balmy patio]

idk if this'll help, but have you tried updating to bios f10?

[earnest olive]

valorant runs on a half eaten potato

225 fps avg at 1440p low with a gtx 1060

i just wouldn't bother joining the ampere dogfight with the games you play

it's not worth the emotional stress

[little osprey]

I am super tempted to go with those cheaper options, but you never know if you’ll need an upgrade right after. I just want to get something very good to start off so I don’t have to make changes

[earnest olive]

well

if you need an upgrade later

later is a better time than now

trust me buying gpus right now is pain

the card i bought for 770 is being scalped for 1650

hahahaha

[little osprey]

True, but if I need an upgrade, how will I make money back from the previous part I spent money on?

[earnest olive]

i had to stop selling pcs because it was getting too annoying to look for gpus

sell it

i bought a gtx 1060 for $125 4 months while waiting for my 3080

sold it for $175 1 month ago

[tawdry lance]

it does the same thing with bios f10

[little osprey]

Ok. So do you recommend going cheaper to begin with?

[earnest olive]

if you can get a better gpu at a decent price without sweating too much then go for it

but i wouldn't go through the effort of fighting for an ampere gpu when you only really need a 1060-class gpu

just save yourself the trouble unless an opportunity presents itself

1070, 1660, 1660 super, 1660ti, 2060 would all do great for you

[balmy patio]

have you checked the atx and cpu connectors on the mobo? if not, then do so and if you have a fully modular unit, check on the other side as well

[little osprey]

Does the 1660ti differ from the the 1660ti with maxq design

[balmy patio]

also, if you're willing to, try to flash it outside of the case using the mobo box as a test bench just to make sure the board isn't getting shorted or anything

[earnest olive]

max-q is a laptop thing

[little osprey]

It’s worse?

[earnest olive]

yeah

max-q means severely power limited basically

but it also only exists in laptops

so no reason to care about it building a desktop

[little osprey]

Cuz I play on a laptop (i5-9300h and that gpu) and get like 70 frames

[earnest olive]

probably 8gb slow ram and gpu power limit

and single channel ram

[little osprey]

I believe so

[earnest olive]

could see if your laptop's ram is upgradeable to dual channel

when i upgraded my laptop from single to dual channel

league fps went from 120 to 150 avg

minimums went from 25 to 120

buy external laptop pad and try to oc gpu

[little osprey]

Ok. Is it worth it build a pc then?

[earnest olive]

might get you pretty close to 144

your call

[little osprey]

I personally would rather build a pc. Let me send you a revised parts list real quick. Would you recommend 1070, 1080, or 2060

And should I build an atx or a microatx? @earnest olive

[tawdry lance]

i am doing it on mobo box and evrything is connected

[balmy patio]

how is it so far?

[tawdry lance]

legit nothing is happening

[balmy patio]

try doing it with just the motherbaord and psu connected to each other, if you haven't done so already

if crappy things keep happening, then it might be rma moment or contact gigabyte's technical support though i haven't heard great things about them

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6X8rht Hows this build (may swap for 1070 or 1070ti)

144fps 1080p fortnite and valorant

[jagged ember]

Lili would not approve of the hdd

[balmy patio]

haha

[jagged ember]

And then tell you to get wd

[balmy patio]

bruh i got induced by lili's ideas

[jagged ember]

Because they've experienced more seagate drive crashes than wd ones

[little osprey]

@jagged ember how about the build otherwise?

[balmy patio]

#building-and-recc-chat message

[jagged ember]

Build seems fine to me

[balmy patio]

go with a 1660s if you can't find a 1070ti for about 230-250

[little osprey]

is it possible to find a 1070ti for htat much

[jagged ember]

Yeah psu is fine

Idk honestly

Youd actually need to do some digging

[balmy patio]

yee

[jagged ember]

Prices right now are very unstable

[muted patio]

Not just them

Check BackBlaze

[jagged ember]

And backblaze

[muted patio]

They report Hard drive failures every quarter lol

Seagate always has the most

[worn wave]

$180 1660 Super on NZXT Refurbished

[jagged ember]

:(

Time to buy more wd drives before my seagate ones die lmao

[worn wave]

https://www.nzxt.com/refurbished-components

[balmy patio]

i forgot about that, thx cody

[jagged ember]

Eh refurb is

[worn wave]

For the price though

[jagged ember]

Well, you know

[worn wave]

Currently a really good option

[jagged ember]

Could be a minor fix

Or a massive overhaul

[balmy patio]

it's better than sum run of the mill 1070ti that was probably abused to its max for hours on lol or wow

[jagged ember]

Because all refurb units come in broken and are fixed

But they could fail again

[worn wave]

Not all of them might have been broken perhaps

[jagged ember]

No, all of them are broke from what I know

[worn wave]

Any source?

[jagged ember]

Returns due to someone not wanting a working product is open box

It doesn't go into refurbished

[little osprey]

What are good places to dig for good prices on gpus. like 2060 and 1070

[fossil halo]

1070 only buy used

sub 200$

[balmy patio]

offerup, fb marketplace, ebay, craig, etc

[fossil halo]

yea

[jagged ember]

Hardware swap

[balmy patio]

basically any used retailer webiste

[fossil halo]

1070 is not worth more than 200$

[jagged ember]

Might work too

[little osprey]

How do you know that they arent broken or something?

[fossil halo]

u dont

[jagged ember]

Buyers protection

[fossil halo]

u gotta trust the seller to that point

yea

well

most buyers protection is just two words

[jagged ember]

eBay good for that

[fossil halo]

yea

[jagged ember]

If it comes dead you get all your money back

[fossil halo]

yea

[jagged ember]

Idk if marketplace has that tho

[worn wave]

eBay does not care if the buyer is trying to scam you

[jagged ember]

It should if you have Facebook money

[worn wave]

I almost got scammed

[fossil halo]

and some ppl sell it cheap only bc it is broken

so make sure you read everything

[little osprey]

Should i check ebay. And if I find a good price on either 2060 super, 2060, 2070, 1080, or 1070, or 1070ti, what is the best option

[jagged ember]

And please buy with buyer protection lol

[fossil halo]

2070 obv

[jagged ember]

2070 is the best of all those options

[fossil halo]

but or you could wait like 13 days

until february 25th

[worn wave]

I doubt it's going to be easy to get a 3060

[fossil halo]

and compete with me and millions of others for a rtx 3060

its not gonna be easy

[little osprey]

What about the 6700 and 6700xt from amd also coming out feb 25

[balmy patio]

just wait like 5 years until it becomes irrelevant smh

[jagged ember]

Not gonna be easy either

[little osprey]

Yikes. Whats a good price for 2070 on ebay

or 2060 super

[jagged ember]

Anything under msrp lol

[fossil halo]

really?

6700 coming out feb 25th confirmed?

[little osprey]

Nevermind it isnt confirmed

[jagged ember]

That would be 499 fyi

[fossil halo]

yea

[little osprey]

How do you check for buyer's protection on ebay?

[fossil halo]

im gonna stick to the 3060 bc lets be real here amd isnt exactly trading blows with nvidia just quite yet

[jagged ember]

It should be pretty prominent on the sellers page

[fossil halo]

amd is getting closer but not quite there yet

[balmy patio]

i mean, they are trading blows, but when it comes with ray tracing and all that, nvidia wins

[jagged ember]

Yeah only falls behind on rtx

So they're pretty close

[fossil halo]

close but not quite there

i think that by rdna 3 or 4 there should be a real competition

but yea i think rtx is the only thing they fall back on

and nvidia has all the ai stuff like dlss

[jagged ember]

True, in software regards amd is also behind

[fossil halo]

yea like their drivers are literal dogwater

[balmy patio]

nvidia also has their sweet encoder, rtx voice, and stuff like that

[fossil halo]

ye

nvenc

well then again like nvidia really only makes money off gpus

or thats a FAT chunk of their revenue

amd got other stuff to focus on too

like shatting on intel's face

and making their processors easier to break

imagine tho

if the whole nvidia arm acquisition happens

have a all nvidia pc

arm desktop processors 😳

[little osprey]

How does the rx580 compare to 1070ti/1660s

[balmy patio]

1070/ti 1660/s is better iirc

[fossil halo]

i think yea

or no they might be around the same

[balmy patio]

580 is still decent if you find it cheaper than a 1650s

[fossil halo]

yea

bc the 1650 and the 570 are kinda similar in terms of performance iirc

[little osprey]

What would be a good price for rx 580

[balmy patio]

eh, i'm not really familiar with the 570 and 580, lemme look up some quick benchmarks on the tube

[fossil halo]

yea

i think they are about the same

but most games are nvidia optimized

[balmy patio]

and the 1650s draws in less power iirc

[little osprey]

IM just trying to find a cheap nividia card that will run 144fps 1080p low settings

on fort and val

[balmy patio]

oh 1080p low yeah fs that'll be enough if you're aiming for 100+ on those gamings

might even be able to push low/med settings

[little osprey]

What card will get me to 144-165 pretty consitently with i5-10400f

[balmy patio]

the 580 does have a 8gb variant, but idk if that's sum you're looking for

[fossil halo]

1650 is prob ur best bet bc nvidia

[little osprey]

super or nah

[fossil halo]

like especially since they are last gen cards

super is better

obv

[balmy patio]

at what price point?

[little osprey]

under 400

[balmy patio]

jus get a 3060 smh

[sage moss]

um... odd question, Build-pics doesn't say anything about PCs.... so can I like.. ya know drop a picture of a different type of tech project?

[little osprey]

How am I going to get one?

[vital rover]

Waiting

[balmy patio]

dm it to me or someone so we can post it here @sage moss

[vital rover]

I waited months to get a 3070

[balmy patio]

rookies can't post pics in this chat

[sage moss]

pretty sure i can post it (i have the icon)

[balmy patio]

try it

[little osprey]

Would I be able to get 144 fps 1080p performance mode on fortnite with 1650 super

[sage moss]

ima just go for it and see what happens lol

[balmy patio]

rookies can only post pics in build chat smh

keeps the speedrunners away

[vital rover]

Probably not

[little osprey]

Not even performance mode? wow

[sage moss]

yes it works 🙂

go check out mk85 lol

[balmy patio]

lmao

[vital rover]

Well. It might. It might not. My brother has a 1650S so you could try

[balmy patio]

imagine if you were able to build a pc innit, that would've been cool

but only a pi smh

[fossil halo]

lmao

jstudner got the best rig

[sage moss]

yea, been trying to build a HUD for it but raspi is giving me brain pain lol

[tawdry lance]

is this enough thermal paste?

[worn wave]

yes

[sage moss]

ngl propably

[balmy patio]

it is

[fossil halo]

yes

wait bro andy

[balmy patio]

the cooler will disperse it

[jade ledge]

Anyone know anything about WiFi/Bluetooth drivers ?

[fossil halo]

didnt u start to build like 6 hours ago

wth

i lowkey wanna do a speedbuild but i have no parts

[sage moss]

moooood ^^^^

market is sooo bad rn

[balmy patio]

ikr

[sage moss]

im still trying to find a gpu 😦

[balmy patio]

i hope it stabilizes sometime soon, at least till summer

[sage moss]

I feel like im not alone on that

[balmy patio]

i just want to get my hands on a 3060ti xc

smoll 3060ti for the sff build i'm planning on doing

[little osprey]

Do you guys think gpu market will fix by june/july

[sage moss]

I would too, but like also on a budget soooooo like RIP

[fossil halo]

i think q2 should better

although it could either be amazing

or absolute dogwater

so we just wait and see

but now with the vaccine going out and stuff

i think it should get better

but rn bc of lunar new year i think the factory workers might get a bit of slack so its not right for us to like expect stock lmfao

[sage moss]

yea Im just hoping to snag something old off offerup or facebook lol, dont do anything GPU heavy so shouldnt be too bad for me

[fossil halo]

poggers

cpu isnt too bad

gpu is the worst tho

like shortage wise

[little osprey]

Nice. Say the GPU market gets way better during q2. With this parts list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TrNcPV what GPU should I go for ?

[sage moss]

yea its the only part i have to get to finish my new rig 😦

[jagged ember]

A 3000 series

[fossil halo]

3060ti or 3070

or anything below that

[jagged ember]

Lmao 3060ti probs yeah

If everything is considered at msrp

[little osprey]

Can I buy the rest of my parts now? Are the rest of the markets pretty good?

[jagged ember]

However unlikely that is

I wouldn't buy parts separately

If one of them is doa

[little osprey]

All at once?

[jagged ember]

You can't know until you get all your parts

And by the time you get a gpu your return/rma window might be over

[fossil halo]

yo

is it just me who noticed

rams did a bit of a sneaky price increase through the whole market

like every ram kit is at least 10-15$ more than it was like 3 motnths ago

[jagged ember]

Especially rgb ram

[fossil halo]

yea

i got my rgb 3200 cl16 2x8

for like

80$

now its like 90+

wasnt even on sale

[jagged ember]

Ouch

I got a 16gb 3200cl16 kit for 83 bucks

3 dollars too many lmao

[fossil halo]

yea lmao

[jagged ember]

And it didn't have rgb

[fossil halo]

the rams are so expensive now

so dogwater

[fossil halo]

verify psu with psu tier lsit

list

[little osprey]

Ok i will.

[fossil halo]

also

ditch the b460

get a z490

[jagged ember]

Psu is good

[fossil halo]

b460 cappedn to 2666 mhz

[jagged ember]

Antec earthwatts is a tier a single rail

If you can afford a z490 sure

But intel doesn't really care about ram speed

Ryzen gets a much bigger boost when it has higher speeds

[balmy patio]

or just wait for b560

[earnest olive]

false

2666mhz to 3200mhz on intel is like 10% more fps in cpu bound situations

[near panther]

guys im wondering what I should upgrade in my pc so i can stream/record videos without having my frames drop. I have a Prime B450M-A motherboard, AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6 core processor CPU, GTX 1660 ti GPU, 24 gigs of ram and a RM550x power supply, ik cpu and gpu are the important ones but Im wondering if something else could be holding the other components back

[pliant lake]

i dont see what you could upgrade other than CPU or GPU.

mobo if you need more ports? but that isnt exactly related to streaming