building-and-recc-chat

[somber ferry]

what else

[balmy patio]

are you buying new?

[somber ferry]

no

50 series

[main stone]

@balmy patio yes im building a whole pc and im confused first time

[wanton cliff]

5600x

not 2600

[somber ferry]

@little osprey I was trolling before but now I am being serious, I have 1660 super, i5 gen 10 10400

[main stone]

no its the 2600

[wanton cliff]

no i mean

[somber ferry]

32 gb of RAM

[wanton cliff]

get a 5600x

[main stone]

ohh

[wanton cliff]

2600 is old now

[main stone]

thats not listed

[wanton cliff]

on what?

[little osprey]

i have a i5 9600k and 1660 super

[somber ferry]

wow

nice

[balmy patio]

you're better off getting a 10400f + z490-a pro

[somber ferry]

are our specs good?

[balmy patio]

it's the same price and better

[somber ferry]

should I be good with an i5?

[little osprey]

no dont get a z490 thats stupid

[somber ferry]

I was looking at amd

[balmy patio]

why is it stupid?

[main stone]

okay

[somber ferry]

probably Ryzen 7

[wanton cliff]

which R7?

[somber ferry]

not sure yet

[wanton cliff]

3700x is good

3800x isnt worth the extra money

5800x is a waste of sand

[somber ferry]

I was going to get 5700xt before I got 1660 super

[wanton cliff]

...

why would you get a 1660 super instead of a 5700xt

[balmy patio]

smh

[little osprey]

why get an overclokcing mobo if the cpu itself can overclock

[somber ferry]

lol price obviously @wanton cliff

[little osprey]

5700xt like 450 1660 super is 230

[somber ferry]

It was 500 when I wass looking at it

5700xt is now 760

price rise is crazy

[little osprey]

1660 super is easily 400 now

[somber ferry]

It was 500 6 months ago

the 5700xt

[balmy patio]

so that the ram runs at 3200mhz, the b series chipset locks the ram at 2666mhz for the i5, with the better memory clocks, the 10400f easily beats the 2600 in games, for the same price

[somber ferry]

it was a red devil

they are expensive now

I saw a gtx 960 for 40 bucks on Offer Up

[little osprey]

for intel 2666 is fine

also im pretty sure intel added ram overclocking to b series chip sets because of pressure

[somber ferry]

@little osprey I have a Radeon HD 7870 2gb in storage don't know what to do with it, pretty sure my dad is going to use it.

[balmy patio]

b560 is what they have up their sleeve for the future

[somber ferry]

how much does it go for?

[balmy patio]

yeah it's fine, but wouldn't you want the extra horsepower when you have the headroom for it?

[little osprey]

yeah i just dont see the point in getting a z series for a not k cpu

[wanton cliff]

11th gen isnt going to have a better memory controller, and 12th gen is going to be on DDR5, so its going to be useless

[balmy patio]

smh

[little osprey]

11th gen most likely doa

cuz like if 12th gen comes in september then 11th gen kinda not worth

especially the 11900k with only 8 cores cmon

[wanton cliff]

3200mhz is not more expensive than 2666mhz tho, so get 3200mhz

[little osprey]

yeah

i also have this list it good?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hn8cmk

[balmy patio]

look at the price difference here https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qbN3Jb and https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2b8hJb , it's the same price and paired with 3200mhz, the 10400f beats the 3600 when gaming (and most people don't even touch any overclocking things)

[wanton cliff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QJtcF8

this one is better

by a lot

and not too much more

[little osprey]

ok

[wanton cliff]

you may be able to get a 3060 non-TI for $300 once it comes out

a hundred dollars extra but a big performance bump

[little osprey]

msrp is 330 tho

[wanton cliff]

so then $130 extra

[opaque nebula]

Hi guys I have been thinking on buy a pc some are expensive you guys know any affordable and good PC's.

[neat reef]

rtx 3080 and ryzen 5 3600 with only 8gb of 2400mhz RAM gets me a 30-40fps surprisingly

in cp2077

oops

[stoic island]

o no

2400mhz ram

[neat reef]

ultra settings, performance DLSS, and pyscho RTX

[stoic island]

single 8gb stick

[neat reef]

yeh im aware

[stoic island]

that hurts

[neat reef]

it works tho 🤷‍♂️

[stoic island]

it shouldn't be surprising that it's 30-40fps

when you have a single stick of 2400mhz ram for a 3600

:(

[neat reef]

well just surprised that its playable

[stoic island]

@neat reef perfect tech deal for you
https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164173

[pliant lake]

whats the resolution?

[neat reef]

4K

im in canada

[opaque nebula]

What about pre-built?

[stoic island]

@neat reef then decent deal here
https://www.pc-canada.com/item/BL2K8G36C16U4B.html

[opaque nebula]

I just want to be good and not mess up for building it

[neat reef]

thanks

building is super easy

[opaque nebula]

In total how much will it be for buying parts for building

[neat reef]

the only real thing you gotta be really aware of to avoid ruining ur entire PC is the cases stand offs for the mobo

[stoic island]

the actually kinda good prebuilt sold out rip

it was 1250$ for 10400f+3060ti, considering current stock situation for GPUs, not bad

this is meh
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali472/p/N82E16883360057

[opaque nebula]

Ok all my friends are going to pc and I have been thinking on getting one

[wanton cliff]

most of the time you dont even need Standoffs

[neat reef]

the saudering on the back of the mobo shouldn't touch any metal

safe bet is to use stand offs

oh and being careful with the CPU to not bend the pins if its ryzen, is another "hard part"

but its not hard, its just crucial to be careful

[stoic island]

smh

[blazing aurora]

could my corsair cx 550w support a 10400 + 2080? i know nvidia cards have a tendency to power-spike

[stoic island]

I wouldn't risk it

[blazing aurora]

alright

[stoic island]

I mean, if you're forced to, you might be able to get away with it, but don't be surprised if OCP trips

[blazing aurora]

i guess the 2070S is my limit then

[stoic island]

(I'm also only roughly estimating atm, can't be bothered to look up 2080 power spike testing lel)

[neat reef]

they recommend 600 or 650

for the 2080

[brazen sphinx]

gpu - gtx 970

imma get a 3060 when it comes in stock can someone tell me what should i change in this

[stoic island]

uhhh

is that a w1

please don't tell me that's an EVGA W1

[wanton cliff]

my friend can do a 3600x and 2080 on a 500w psu, youll be fine

[stoic island]

[brazen sphinx]

is it bad?

[neat reef]

nvidia recommends 550

watts

[stoic island]

Yes, the SSD too

[brazen sphinx]

okay what psu should i get then

and ssd

[stoic island]

and I'd personally change the case

lemme check prices

[brazen sphinx]

mhm go on please

[stoic island]

Segotep is less sus than itmight look
https://www.newegg.com/segotep-gp-series-600w-non-modular/p/1HU-00Z0-00008

[brazen sphinx]

is it good ?

[blazing aurora]

nice, thanks for the heads up

[stoic island]

Yes, it's comparable to Corsair CX

lemme check SSDs

[blazing aurora]

i've lost hope for a 3060ti so i'm going with a 2070s/2080

[brazen sphinx]

okay for corsair the ""vs"" series is bad right?

[brazen sphinx]

dude ive been waiting for six months now

[neat reef]

corsair CX 550 is 69 on amazon vtw

btw*

[brazen sphinx]

69

[blazing aurora]

your patience is admirable

[stoic island]

VS is crappi

[brazen sphinx]

thank you im still waiting HAHAHA

[neat reef]

$69

[brazen sphinx]

so cx is better right

[stoic island]

Helix L pretty decently nice ssd: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RC4W96Z

[blazing aurora]

yes cx is better

not to be confused with cv

which is not good

[neat reef]

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Bronze-Certified-Modular-CP-9020102-NA/dp/B01B72W0A2/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=corsair+psu+550&qid=1612296889&sr=8-1

[brazen sphinx]

alrighty

[stoic island]

CX = Segotep SG-G/GP-G > BR/BA > CV > W1/VS > Gigabyte P-GM

@neat reef smh sg-g is 15$ less

for 600w

[neat reef]

ahh

[brazen sphinx]

do i really need a 600 w psu?

[stoic island]

It's cheaper

[brazen sphinx]

🤔

[stoic island]

for the same quality

[brazen sphinx]

ooo

[stoic island]

https://www.newegg.com/segotep-gp-series-600w-non-modular/p/1HU-00Z0-00008

I can go find reviews if you want

[neat reef]

gives you some room to overclock ur GPU if you want

[brazen sphinx]

no dude its all good

[neat reef]

i think

[brazen sphinx]

no im oc ing my 3060 or 970 i dont want to break anything

yes i know oc ing doesnt break anything but ion wanna risk it

[stoic island]

Next, lemme grab some fun case choices

[brazen sphinx]

alirghty

[stoic island]

I'll aim for ~60$

[brazen sphinx]

yes

thermaltake psus are trash too right

[stoic island]

MX410 mesh: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811553059

[wanton cliff]

they are alright

[stoic island]

MX330-g air: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1543118-REG/cougar_mx330_g_air_gaming_mid_tower.html

[wanton cliff]

thermaltake PSUs

[stoic island]

everything depends on the model

TT smart might go boom

[wanton cliff]

[brazen sphinx]

oops u send me mx410 link

[stoic island]

uh?

I sent it..?

[wanton cliff]

no?

thats an MX330

[brazen sphinx]

oh nv

im dumb

[stoic island]

hm?

I like mx410 better

gets you 4 rgb fans with rgb strips on the case lol

[neat reef]

i use a phanteks p400a but idc about rgb

theres an rgb version tho

[brazen sphinx]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081DHSLYY/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A2UXO5LPTDY3LN&psc=1

is this ram good?

[stoic island]

uhhh

that timing looks sus

16-20-20

[sharp blade]

uh

[brazen sphinx]

exactly lol i asked thats why

i want rgb wuuwwu

[stoic island]

just remember you'll never see the side of your ram when it's in the case

[brazen sphinx]

that too

[sharp blade]

better is like ballistix rgb

[still roost]

Bioman#6969 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[brazen sphinx]

o

f it ill just get a rgb strip then

[desert gulch]

well mr 1 depends on where case is

i can see the side of my ram

since my pc sits pretty far back on desk

[sharp blade]

on the floor : P

[stoic island]

oh well

ram market is just ded

[brazen sphinx]

my pc is on the desk tooo

[desert gulch]

i want trident z royal pogs

[stoic island]

@desert gulch bro people usually just have it next to em or something

it's like never shown

[desert gulch]

yeah

[stoic island]

and afterall, mx410 has 4 rgb fans

no matter what ram you have it'll be lit up

[desert gulch]

mhmm

[neat reef]

ur mobo might even have rgb by the RAM

[brazen sphinx]

are pny ssd any good?

[sharp blade]

is this good?
For noctua's , Controllable?
https://geizhals.de/arctic-case-fan-hub-acfan00175a-a2343582.html

[gritty ruin]

Experts told me that the b460 isnt good for i5 processors

[brazen sphinx]

it is

its better than a h410m

[stoic island]

b460 is fine

it's just fine

[brazen sphinx]

^

[gritty ruin]

They say it has problems with capping at 2666 mhz

[stoic island]

It's not good

it's fine

[brazen sphinx]

so?

[stoic island]

note the word choice

[brazen sphinx]

dude z490 its not worth it for i5

[stoic island]

Yes

[brazen sphinx]

u could get it if u want ram speed

[sharp blade]

Mr111 ?

[brazen sphinx]

and ur rich

[stoic island]

Should be

but yaknow, you could also get a wayyyy overengineered NA-FC1

[gritty ruin]

It aint worth the faster ram speed then?

[stoic island]

https://noctua.at/en/na-fc1/specification

@gritty ruin to put into perspective, it's like 90$ for a b460 board, 160$ for the cheapest decent z490 board

[brazen sphinx]

from my pov no

[gritty ruin]

Damn.

[stoic island]

which cheapest decent is usually MSI z490-a

[gritty ruin]

Might aswell cancel the z490 order then

[brazen sphinx]

o

what i5 are u getting

[stoic island]

this is z490 boards sorted by cheapest

I mean, a case could be made if it was 10600k and you want oc

[vocal axle]

Worked on first boot up!

[brazen sphinx]

lesso

pog

[gritty ruin]

I5 10400f i already have it with me

[brazen sphinx]

okay so u want that ram speed?

[gritty ruin]

Yeh but its not worth it?

[stoic island]

@vocal axle lmao that TX was a worthy investment years ago eh?

[brazen sphinx]

see its not worth it

first of its not a unlocked chip

its a waste my dude

youll save couple 50usd ish ig

put that into more cool or peripherals

more cooling as in u could get more fans and stuff u get me?

[stoic island]

I mean

MX410 has 4 included fans, you won't even need more

[little osprey]

How do I screw it in?

[gritty ruin]

But i heard that i5 processors dont heat up that much

[brazen sphinx]

ye they dont

[stoic island]

push it a bit that way and then screw it in

[brazen sphinx]

stock cooler is also good for a i5

[gritty ruin]

Ima just stick to the b460 then

[brazen sphinx]

ye

[gritty ruin]

2666 mhz isnt too bad

[brazen sphinx]

ye dude if u would have gone with a unlocked chip then id asked u too buy it

[little osprey]

I pushed it but it’s still covering part of the hole

[rich helm]

I want to do a 10600k just cause it’s so cheap at the moment

[gritty ruin]

Vintageracer was the one who said i should get z490 lol

[rich helm]

But I’m decideing whether to go z490 or not

[brazen sphinx]

what proccessor ^

brb

[stoic island]

yea it won't be completely alligned, but usually if you hold it you can get it fairly alligned, enough for you to get the screw in nicely

[rich helm]

10600k probably

[brazen sphinx]

go for it then

if u wanna put inna little extra money worth it

The mx 330 is like 69

[vocal axle]

@stoic island totally!

[golden cape]

Whats a good gpu to pair with a 9600K

[brazen sphinx]

budget??

[golden cape]

well, I was thinking bc 3060 was coming soon, I was gonna get that, but unless there is something of better fitting

[brazen sphinx]

ahh

budget? how much do u wanna spend

for the gpu

[golden cape]

like 400

[brazen sphinx]

see u could go with a 3060ti, 5700xt

[stoic island]

wait for 3060 imo

[brazen sphinx]

yea dude^

[stoic island]

3060ti tariffs brought it higher in price

[golden cape]

wait for later this month

[stoic island]

5700xt stock is gone

[brazen sphinx]

3060 is like the best 400usd in the universe rn

[stoic island]

and performance can't really compare with 3060ti/maybe 3060

[golden cape]

is there a way to purchase a 3060 fast that I can accomplish

[brazen sphinx]

make bots

[gritty ruin]

I wonder when 3070 is coming back

[brazen sphinx]

dont acutally do that

[neat reef]

best way to get 3000 cards is back ordering

[golden cape]

would google tell me

[brazen sphinx]

its kinda rude

[golden cape]

is there a pre-order for the gpu's

[gritty ruin]

The only piece i need

Is the 3070

[brazen sphinx]

no there isnt u have to wait inna queue or something ig

[brazen sphinx]

^

[neat reef]

back ordering = queue.. its the best way to get the cards right now, unless you want to spend hours of your day refreshing

[brazen sphinx]

ah yes

[gritty ruin]

Isnt scalping alreade being looked into by the government?

[golden cape]

EXplaIN

like send me a dm to just explain how the hacc to back order a graphics card

[neat reef]

find a website that allows back orders, should say on the product page

[golden cape]

I just wanna have ray tracing without the game running 20fps on a radeon

[neat reef]

idk what USA ones do

if thats where you are

lots of them cancelled online back orders, and you can only do in-store back orders, but you can place the instore back order on the phone

by calling the store

but you need to go pick it up from the store they wont ship it

[brazen sphinx]

oh mad the b460m pro msi mobo i was ordering will come on 16th feb

ugh

[neat reef]

my RTX 3080 TUF OC took 1.5 months from one of the biggest computer stores in Canada

[jolly kindle]

I only have my case, motherboard, and my ram

[brazen sphinx]

go ahead

[jolly kindle]

is it okay that I put my motherboard in my case?

[neat reef]

no, wait till you get ur CPU

[brazen sphinx]

^

[jolly kindle]

okay

what could happen?

I’m sorry I’m new about actually building it

[golden cape]

yes

[neat reef]

nothing, its just way to hard to install the cpu with it in the case

[wanton cliff]

CPU takes gravity to install, cant do that while the PC is sideways

[brazen sphinx]

^

[wanton cliff]

mobo*

[jolly kindle]

ahhh

[golden cape]

bro, cant you just lay the case

[wanton cliff]

I mean

yeah

[neat reef]

yeh but its best to just do it out of the case

[wanton cliff]

^^^^^

[neat reef]

you need to be careful with the CPU, its fragile, having to work in a small case isnt good

[wanton cliff]

especially AMD

[jolly kindle]

I have a full tower I’m pretty sure, I can’t remember because I bought it 2 months ago

[wanton cliff]

which case exactly?

[neat reef]

small case = any case for CPU installation i mean

[winged tinsel]

My pc rebooted out of knowhere and is now stuck at the vga part of the boot process. What’s going on?

[brazen sphinx]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081DHSLYY/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A2UXO5LPTDY3LN&psc=1

is this ram good?

[jolly kindle]

A rosewill spectra x

I think

[wanton cliff]

try reseating GPU

[brazen sphinx]

oh mad i got a green role someho

[wanton cliff]

and check power

[wanton cliff]

it means you got to MEE6 level 3

[brazen sphinx]

o

[golden cape]

now I wanna shut down my pc and lick my cpu

[winged tinsel]

How do I restart my gpu?

[brazen sphinx]

^ help

[wanton cliff]

Im level 39 iirc

[brazen sphinx]

reseating

[small osprey]

i dare you

[wanton cliff]

not restart, reseat

take it out and put it back in

[brazen sphinx]

it means remove it and put it

back

again

[winged tinsel]

Ok thanks

[brazen sphinx]

yes

[golden cape]

why cant I change niccity name

[shrewd charm]

Hey do I need to install my ssd in the m.2 1 slot or is the m.2 2 slot fine? Using mag b460m mortar motherboard and Samsung evo 970 ssd

[brazen sphinx]

biowomen

[jolly kindle]

It’s the rosewill spectra X I still have the box lol

[wanton cliff]

need at least Regular I think

[neat reef]

put it on the one with the heatsink, you want the heatsink

[winged tinsel]

I turned my pc off and back on again without reseating my gpu and it works fine, should I still reseat it?

[brazen sphinx]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081DHSLYY/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A2UXO5LPTDY3LN&psc=1

[wanton cliff]

either is fine, but M.2_1 is usually better for system and faster

[brazen sphinx]

ahh could some one check this ram

[wanton cliff]

if its working fine then its working fine

[brazen sphinx]

looks hella sus to me.

[wanton cliff]

no need

[shrewd charm]

Ok i put the cpu cooler in place is it ok to hemove with paste on?

[wanton cliff]

its from a reputable company but the RAM itself sucks

[brazen sphinx]

LOL

[winged tinsel]

Should I be worried that this even happened in the first place though? Like could something be wrong with my pc?

[brazen sphinx]

which one should i get then for a like 75 usd

i need 2x8gb ddr4

[jolly kindle]

I wonder if the B450 Aorus Elite V2 is a good mb because I don’t see a lot of videos on it and I have it

[neat reef]

@shrewd charm should be fine just be careful not to get the thermal paste on anything else

or to smear it off the side of the CPU

[wanton cliff]

heat up the paste (play Cyberpunk or something for 10 minutes), unscrew cooler, take off cooler, get alcohol pads and/or Isopropyl alcohol and a paper towel, wipe off paste on both CPU and cooler, reapply paste, screw cooler back on

[small osprey]

u dont need to heat the paste

[wanton cliff]

its kinda eh

[sinful hornet]

#build-pics what are the chances i have

[wanton cliff]

not great

not horrible

[shrewd charm]

K do I need to remove sticker off ssd?

[small osprey]

and its better to use a special paste cleaner instead of just alcohol

[wanton cliff]

no

[jolly kindle]

It’s socket am4

[small osprey]

removes the paste a hella lot better

[wanton cliff]

and?

[small osprey]

yes we know

[jolly kindle]

I should’ve thought about that

[wanton cliff]

pretty much every AMD board from the last 5 years is AM4

[small osprey]

@jolly kindle banned from hypixel

[jolly kindle]

I just looked at the box from my desk it’s the first thing I saw

[jolly kindle]

It’s only 2 more weeks

[wanton cliff]

the chipset is pretty bad for right now, it only uses PCIe 3.0, the RGB software it uses is ass, and the BIOs is kinda eh

so its just kinda an eh board

[neat reef]

i had to take off my CPU cooler a couple times to get it lined up right, if you recently put on the CPU cooler idk why remove it

the paste

[jolly kindle]

The rgb does look bad

[wanton cliff]

im not talking about hardware RGB

im talking about the software it uses

Gigabyte Fusion, right?

[jolly kindle]

Yeah

2.0

[wanton cliff]

the software is asstastic

Aura, iCUE, Synapse, etc are all much better

[jolly kindle]

that’s great to know, my mom just said if I get all 100’s she’ll buy my internal ssd

[vocal axle]

So, that RGB fan that comes with an AMD CPU, is the RGB programmable?

[jolly kindle]

off topic but whatever

[wanton cliff]

yes

the Wraith Prism

uses whatever RGB software the mobo uses

[neat reef]

is the wraith prism better than the wraith or is it just added rgb?

[vocal axle]

So, all I saw was the fan wire but it came with two other wires, one I know is USB, and it didn't come with a manual. Do you know which cable I need to plug into the MoBo?

[jolly kindle]

Maybe it was bad thing to have my friend pick out my parts because I don’t know a lot about computers, well except I’ve been watching builds for the last 3 years

[wanton cliff]

All stock AMD CPUs have Wraith coolers included, but all of them are different. There is (in ascending order of quality), Wraith Stealth, Wraith Spire, Wraith Spire RGB, Wraith MAX, Wraith PRISM

https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/cpu-cooler-solution

[light raft]

you can try looking up the user manual online

[wanton cliff]

pretty sure Prism and MAX are both basically the same

[light raft]

google the mobo and check the support page

[wanton cliff]

just do both, saves time

I think you need both anyways

[neat reef]

ahh good to know, id be getting a different brand cooler to upgrade my wraith stealth anyways

[wanton cliff]

idrk

[vocal axle]

Ok cool. Always good to check with the hive mind. I didn't even know it was called a wraith prism. X.X

[wanton cliff]

I use the prism and I have both plugged in

[wanton cliff]

its with a Ryzen 7 processor, right?

[vocal axle]

Ryzen 9 3900 12 core 24 thread

[wanton cliff]

ah nice

you may want to get a better cooler for that actually

I dont think stock will cut it

[light raft]

stock will get the job done lol

[wanton cliff]

for a 3900?

[light raft]

as long as no overclock

[vocal axle]

3.8 with boost to 4.2

[neat reef]

my r5 3600 has gone up to 80 degrees with just chrome and discord open, not for long but it maxed at it

[light raft]

[neat reef]

with the stock cooler

[wanton cliff]

check paste, that shouldn't be happening

[golden cape]

Is there any us things to bacc order the gpus

[vocal axle]

I will not be overclocking. And I have a corsiar liquid cooler just in case.

[neat reef]

ok, might be cause i placed and pulled off the cpu cooler to line it up, didnt think that would be a prob

[wanton cliff]

nothing except for EVGA's backorder system, but at that point you might as well wait until next generation GPUs come out

[neat reef]

ill monitor the temps and see if that was just a one time thing

[wanton cliff]

download HWiNFO64 for that

[neat reef]

i have CPUID HWMonitor

[wanton cliff]

that works too

[golden cape]

so in another year or so?

[wanton cliff]

yeah

late 2021/early 2022

[vocal axle]

I do know that if you take it off and put it back on air bubbles can form and degrade cooling performance. So, every time you remove you should clean and reapply.

[wanton cliff]

thats always been the thing

Paste gets old too

[neat reef]

it does seem to be running a little hot, i read about a problem with the wraith where it runs hot on idle, a big reddit post about it, ill find it

[wanton cliff]

from air exposure after use

[neat reef]

it didnt go super high while playing cyberpunk

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/

[vocal axle]

I regularly keep the heatsinks and radiators free of dust, and my last PC never went above 73c for the last 9 years, even under heavy load.

[little osprey]

Is this amount of gpu sag bad?

[neat reef]

that reddit post has this tldr "Edit again, with the continued improvements you should now run ryzen balanced at its stock settings, 99% min cpu state, 100% max cpu state. Get the latest bios, chipset driver, and ryzen master. CPPC enabled, CPPC preferred cores enabled, Cool&Quiet enabled, Global C state enabled."

but i dont know where to set those settings

cppc

[wanton cliff]

I dont see any sag

[little osprey]

It’s like very minimal

[wanton cliff]

youll be fine

what board?

[little osprey]

Z490-A

[wanton cliff]

pretty sure that one has steel reinforced PCIe lanes

in other words

youll be fine

[little osprey]

K ty

[neat reef]

is my 2400mhz 8gb only RAM making my CPU work harder?

[wanton cliff]

kinda?

its mostly making your RAM work harder to achieve 2400mhz rather than having 2 sticks running at 1200mhz and splitting the load

[neat reef]

yeh i need two sticks

i cant return this crap RAM though so i kinda want to make use out of it

[wanton cliff]

sell it on ebay or something

get a dual channel kit

16gb

[neat reef]

yeh ill look into that, facebook marketplace

[wanton cliff]

3200mhz at least

[neat reef]

yeh i plan on it

CPU is keeping at about 50 degrees, i also have 5 chrome tabs, ones a twitch stream

and steam and discord

[wanton cliff]

I would close most of that while gaming

[neat reef]

yeh i close everything, avoiding the usual dual monitor for now, chrome on the second monitor

[wanton cliff]

[shrewd charm]

So I don't think I have any screws to mount the motherboard. Are these supposed to come w case or motherboard?

[wanton cliff]

Motherboard, iirc

if they came with the case, check Hot Swap bays

you know where those are?

[neat reef]

mine came with the case

[muted patio]

Case

Always case

Motherboard doesn't come with screws

[wanton cliff]

my mistake

[muted patio]

No worreis

[wanton cliff]

Wait

they come with M.2 screws at least, dont they?

[muted patio]

Yes

[wanton cliff]

and stock cooler screws?

[neat reef]

check the case manual, it should show the shape of the top of the screw and which are for the mobo

[muted patio]

No

[bold glen]

how do i reboot windows 10 into safe mode

i have to be in safe mode for ddu

[shrewd charm]

Found em

[muted patio]

Well, with AMD the brackets come screwed to the board yes

[wanton cliff]

press shift while powering off using windows

hold shift, rather

[muted patio]

Shift - Restart

[bold glen]

yeah i did that and then went to troubleshoot

which option should i do

[wanton cliff]

go to advanced then

[bold glen]

alright

[wanton cliff]

cant remember after that

troubleshooting mode?

I cant remember

guides online

[bold glen]

ok ill check

[wanton cliff]

one sec

[muted patio]

I believe there is a blue line of text on the bottom left

Easy to overlook

[neat reef]

i remember that lol, you gotta go through a couple pages and then press something that doesnt even say safe mode lol

[bold glen]

ok thanks

[wanton cliff]

then press 5

[muted patio]

Ye, 4 or 5

[wanton cliff]

I assume you want networking at least

[neat reef]

looks like they made it easier since i did it on my laptop awhile ago

[wanton cliff]

if not, for whatever reason, then 4

[muted patio]

nah, no networking needed for DDU

it's a standalone program

[wanton cliff]

true but its good to have just in case

[muted patio]

True

[wanton cliff]

plus its there for the people who forgot to download it beforehand

[muted patio]

I've never actually used it TBH

[wanton cliff]

you rarely need to boot into safe mode anyways

[muted patio]

Does it work with WiFi or ethernet only?

[wanton cliff]

networking in general

so both

[muted patio]

Cuz Safe Mode doesn't load drivers

[wanton cliff]

Ive done it with both wifi (USB and PCIe cards, both) and Ethernet

take that info as you will

[muted patio]

Good to know

[wanton cliff]

agreed

[neat reef]

if i check the thermal paste what should i look out for as a bad thing?

[muted patio]

hardness and paste pattern

Thick paste areas = bad contact

thin paste area = good contact

[neat reef]

i pulled it off a couple times to realign the screws, is that a no no?

[wanton cliff]

I mean

as long as it wasnt in actual use

[neat reef]

it wasnt

[muted patio]

If you didn't reapply the paste

Then yes

[neat reef]

i see

some stuck to the cpu i noticed, didnt think it would be a problem though

[wanton cliff]

I thought doing that was fine, as long as you havent actually used the paste yet?

[muted patio]

Nope

It gets squished thin when you apply

[wanton cliff]

noted

[muted patio]

and bolt down

Removing it thins it out even more

[wanton cliff]

what about pre-applied paste?

[muted patio]

Same

[wanton cliff]

interesting

[muted patio]

Any time it's removed it should be cleaned and reapplied

[neat reef]

it wasnt screwed down between removal

[muted patio]

unless you scrape it all together into the middle into a lump so it can spread back out again

[neat reef]

or pushed down

[muted patio]

Right but it touched CPU and left some behind right?

Honestly

[neat reef]

yeh

[muted patio]

If temps are fine

I wouldn't worry about it

[neat reef]

they arent lol

[muted patio]

Oh

Reapply then

[wanton cliff]

just as long as it isnt gooping off the side, you mean

[bold glen]

ok just used ddu, do i just reinstall the drivers for my gpu?

[wanton cliff]

yep

[neat reef]

yeh ill reapply it, thermal paste doesnt cost to much anyways

[bold glen]

ok

[muted patio]

yes

[neat reef]

what do i need to buy to remove it? rubbing alcohol?

[muted patio]

I mean like push it all to the middle like you do when you apply new, pea sized drop

[neat reef]

on both the cooler and cpu?

[wanton cliff]

You can honestly just use hand sanitizer

[muted patio]

Yes

So it can squish back out and cover evenly again

[wanton cliff]

Isopropyl alcohol or Alcohol pads work best tho

[muted patio]

BUt honestly, just new paste

[neat reef]

just need new RAM and thermal paste and it should be all set

[wanton cliff]

yep

[bold glen]

i like to put an X on my cpu

looks nice

[wanton cliff]

also apparently diamond is extremely conductive

just learned that yesterday

[muted patio]

wat

[neat reef]

im also gonna check the bios if theres a cool CPU mode

[muted patio]

Thermally conductive or electrically?

[wanton cliff]

thermally

[muted patio]

Yes

K, I saw conductive and thought electricity LOL

[wanton cliff]

I think both

diamond is thermally conductive tho

[neat reef]

isnt there like diamond filament in cables.. idk might be talking out my ass

[wanton cliff]

probably not

[neat reef]

certain cables

[wanton cliff]

that gets real expensive real fast

[neat reef]

yeh

but then again a really small piece of diamond can probably be stretched out into a realllly thin filament

[wanton cliff]

diamond cant get stretched

thats the thing

its hard and brittle

doesnt stretch

[neat reef]

hmm

is there any practical use of its conductivity then?

[muted patio]

Yes, it's used in thermal paste

[neat reef]

oh

[muted patio]

Very finely ground diamond dust

[neat reef]

neat

[wanton cliff]

saw some yesterday

there are some crazy expensive thermal pads too, right?

[muted patio]

Yeah, the carbon ones I think

Honestly, no thermal pad will beat paste though

[neat reef]

just found this "Carbodeon uDiamond® PLA (polylactic acid) is a high-performance diamond enhanced 3D printing filament. It contains functionalized nanodiamond particles. Nanodiamonds are spherical and act as lubricant in the filament extrusion, causing no increase in nozzle wear. The enhanced thermal conductivity of the material enables printing speed up to 500mm/s. The diamond particles also reinforce the polymer structure, improving the stiffness, strength and adhesion between printed layers."

kinda neat

[muted patio]

Diamond has all kinds of uses

[wanton cliff]

Mining drills bits and things like that

and cutting other diamonds

[neat reef]

35,000 to 135,000 euros for that stuff

[wanton cliff]

which thing?

come to think of it, diamonds could probably be very informationally conductive if used right

not necessarily electrically conductive

[bold glen]

thirty five thousand or thirty five flat

[neat reef]

the 3d printing filament sara

above

35 thousand euros

[wanton cliff]

wow

[neat reef]

oh im a dumb ass

lol

its 35 euros

[wanton cliff]

oh lol

[bold glen]

ah yeah makes sense

can you have multiple ssd if your mobo only has one m.2 slot

[wanton cliff]

yep

only 1 M.2 tho

Sata drives exist

Sata SSDs at least

[bold glen]

there are sata ssds?

i thought only hdd existed

[neat reef]

you can get a pci-e card that has m.2 slots on it

[wanton cliff]

yep

[wheat holly]

Hey guys if anyone thinkgs they can build me something good message me I need help for a first timer would appreciate any and all help. I want an i9 99k with a 3080 Can I do this for 2100?

[wanton cliff]

these usually dont work very well tho

[wanton cliff]

yes

[bold glen]

oh cool ty

[neat reef]

i had one on my last pc, nothing to compare performance to so idk

[wanton cliff]

but why 9900k?

[wheat holly]

I was recomended

[wanton cliff]

10900k is better from Intel, and 5900x is best gaming CPU in general

[wheat holly]

I have 2100 can someone message me the best parts to get?

[wanton cliff]

yeah one minute

[wheat holly]

5900x? I need help haha

[neat reef]

i prefer ryzen cause the mobos are cheaper lol

and cause they come with a cooler

[upbeat lodge]

Yeah and the cpu better

Cooler not very good tho

[neat reef]

yep

if you want to go for the 5600x but are going to be playing in 4K with a 3000 card or something, you can save money and just get a 3600, the performance difference is 2%

at 4K

[muted patio]

Intel comes with a cooler too lol

[meager pumice]

should i get the lian li oll dynamic xl or the thermaltake view 51?

[muted patio]

Up to a point, just like AMD does

[neat reef]

oh i didnt know that

[muted patio]

Ye

[upbeat lodge]

With old chips

[muted patio]

New chips do too

[wanton cliff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QVLvYg

Before I send this to that one person who wanted a 3080 build around $2200, is there anything I should change about this?

[upbeat lodge]

Really

[muted patio]

Ye, up to the 10500 or 10600

[neat reef]

i can vouch for the case

[meager pumice]

should i get the lian li oll dynamic xl or the thermaltake view 51?

[wanton cliff]

do you want to watercool or no?

[upbeat lodge]

That ram tho and the case

[meager pumice]

not currently but i might upgrade in the future

[wanton cliff]

what about them?

[upbeat lodge]

Why 4 sticks of eight

[wanton cliff]

better for Zen3

[neat reef]

p400a is good

[upbeat lodge]

And I feel like with the extra money you could get a way better case

[neat reef]

really good for airflow

[wanton cliff]

P400a is really good tho lol

[neat reef]

top tier airflow case

[calm dove]

@signal bluff hi 🙂

[golden cape]

thicc

[calm dove]

@upbeat lodge hi

[wanton cliff]

if not then get a P400a or P500a or something

[upbeat lodge]

😫😫

[neat reef]

oh thats a $200 case lol

[calm dove]

is this case worth it ?? @upbeat lodge

the lian li ?

[upbeat lodge]

Yes 😫

[golden cape]

I want the reg one

[upbeat lodge]

It comes in White to

[golden cape]

my pets would absolutely cover that thing

[wanton cliff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QVLvYg good build, a hundred $ overbudget?

[golden cape]

I had to air compressor my pc bc my gpu had so much stuff on it

[upbeat lodge]

Pog

[muted patio]

That board doesn't have flashback tho

[wanton cliff]

true but their friend has a Zen2 CPU anyways

[neat reef]

yeh dont you need the flash bios for ryzen 9

[wanton cliff]

and most of them come pre-flashed anyways

[muted patio]

Nay

[wanton cliff]

yeah you do

[muted patio]

They do not yet

[upbeat lodge]

Huh

[muted patio]

If someone has a zen 2 they can use, no problem

[upbeat lodge]

They don’t

[muted patio]

Not yet

[neat reef]

you either need an old CPU or a flash bios button iirc

[muted patio]

MOst stock still has older pre-5000 BIOS

[upbeat lodge]

OH

[muted patio]

unless you buy from Microcenter and they update it for you

[meager pumice]

do you know of any other case that doesnt have a psu shroud?
i wanted a case where you can put the psu in the back

[wanton cliff]

idk why you would want that

[wanton cliff]

I typically dont notice if there is or isnt a shroud

[neat reef]

ive considered bringing my PC to a local PC shop to have them flash bios it with one of their spare old CPU's

[golden cape]

there is the 200$+ corsair fridge/freezer thing

ive seen it at micro center

HOLY CRAP are they HUGE

[neat reef]

i found it difficult to plug cables into the PSU with a shroud

[golden cape]

lian li 011 dynamic better

[neat reef]

not too difficult tho

[wanton cliff]

wait

waitwaitwait

why would you plug cables into a PSU after putting it in the shroud?

[golden cape]

cause begginer

[neat reef]

i guess i did that part backwards

[muted patio]

I did mine that way

[golden cape]

I had a somewhat experienced guy to help

[muted patio]

But the opening was huge so it wasn't a problem

[golden cape]

I have built 2, and helped with 1

[ripe wedge]

011 dynamic overrated

[sinful hornet]

^^

[ripe wedge]

td500 mesh epic

[golden cape]

but its at a not too bad price

[muted patio]

P500A epic

[tough cedar]

is dark rock pro 4 good for 3900x??

[wanton cliff]

TUF X570

no other choice

[muted patio]

Cooler, no t MB lol

[sharp blade]

How is the x570 Aorus Ultra for R9 5900x?

[wanton cliff]

TUF X570

ONLY CHOICE

[muted patio]

Not for 5000 series Sara

no flashback

[wild heath]

What’s the best way to buy windows I don’t want to buy for retail

[muted patio]

Google

Spoop key sites aren't allowed here lol

[neat reef]

ask if they have an old ryzen CPU

[stoic island]

Ebay :p

[neat reef]

i think thats the alternative

[wanton cliff]

GOD DAMMIT I KEEP FORGETTING

[muted patio]

It'll do OK. Tier II VRM should be fine

[stoic island]

B550 aorus elite/pro best option >:D

[golden cape]

Msi creator better

[neat reef]

do you have an old pc you wont be using with windows on it? or a laptop you dont care that has the watermark?

[stoic island]

Smh

@golden cape Unify better

[muted patio]

You realize that has Tier III VRM yeah?

[golden cape]

Random server mobo GO

[stoic island]

@muted patio I just go by the specs yea

Dunno how the tier list works

[muted patio]

Well, the ELite is Tier III, Pro is Tier II

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/edit#gid=2112472504

[stoic island]

2x8 good nuff for me

[golden cape]

ASUS ROG Zenith 2 extreme alpha better

[stoic island]

Uh what

Wait wait wait

@muted patio you know the tier is there is budget not VRMs right

[wanton cliff]

does X370 and B350 even support new CPUs at all?

[muted patio]

wait what?

[stoic island]

I'm pretty sure it says it at the top somewhere

[muted patio]

Mmmmm

I'ma check original thread

[wanton cliff]

vintage just had his Techie privileges taken away

[muted patio]

I swear it was quality

[stoic island]

@muted patio hover over the "tier" at the top

[muted patio]

Eh, "features, specs and quality"

"This is a personal and subjective assessment on how the motherboard is "ranked" based on its features, specs, and quality compared to the models of the same brand. I have generally categorized motherboards in four (4) tiers, named and color-coded as:"

[stoic island]

I was intrigued because I thought someone made this for am4 :(
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1yPS3hj_K7EPT4RBWCyjdKNP56pnwDz-IgBc0975-FUg/htmlview#gid=0

[shrewd charm]

So am I supposed to plug in the pie cable from power supply some where because I've no idea where? Anyone got any tips for where these cables all go. Using deep cool cl 500 case and mag b4600m mortar motherboard

[muted patio]

GPU

[shrewd charm]

Yes but don't see any where to connect it

[wanton cliff]

what GPU? it might need the new FE card's proprietary 12 pin

[stoic island]

Some GPUs don't need pcie power if it's low powered

Like a gtx 1650

[muted patio]

If your GPU needs it, it goes there

[muted patio]

Then you don't need it

[stoic island]

Yea looks like it doesn't need it

[shrewd charm]

Its GeForce gtx 1050 ti

[golden cape]

wait, show side profile

[stoic island]

Mhm

[shrewd charm]

Ok cool

[stoic island]

1050ti doesn't need extra power than pcie slot

[golden cape]

oh, I thought some might

I built a pc for my grandma that had one, and it didnt have a power connector

my 6gb zotac 1060 has one

[shrewd charm]

Lots of other cables not labeled from power supply lol

[neat reef]

i hate that the 3080s need two seperate cables, they all come with the second one attached to the one cable, not so pretty in the case

[stoic island]

Uh not all PSUs have daisy chain 8 pins

[golden cape]

buy cable mod things

make cooler

[neat reef]

ones without the extension are $40 each lol

[golden cape]

I might do that

[neat reef]

whats a cable mod

[wanton cliff]

Speaking of, I wonder when my PSU will arrive

[muted patio]

best not to daisy chain a 3080 lol

Or any GPU that needs more than 1 power plug TBH

[wanton cliff]

should be today but its almost past hours that things usually ship

[stoic island]

I wonder when my ur40s will arrive

Hadn't shipped yet

[golden cape]

modding the cable by extending it or like connecting them all through one, but like a specific color or whatever

idk how to explain it

[wanton cliff]

why would anyone daisy chain anyways, in that case?

[mental steeple]

bad logic right here

[muted patio]

because people don't know

[stoic island]

I don't even know why daisy chain 8 pins exist

[muted patio]

So they do it

[mental steeple]

dramless=/=bad

[ripe wedge]

???

[golden cape]

its the power supplies fault

[muted patio]

IKR, all the PCI-E should be single ended plugs

[ripe wedge]

dramless is bad lol

[stoic island]

Meh, I say dramless means bad until proven innocent (hmb)

[neat reef]

i think connecting them all through one cable is the problem we are avoiding to begin with, gotta keep it off one cable and on two, i read if you use one cable, it can burn it

[mental steeple]

Just because a drive lacks dram does not mean that it's worse than every drive that has a dedicated dram cache.

The SN550 is better than multiple drives that do have dedicated dram caches.

[ripe wedge]

true but 9/10 its worse

[mental steeple]

It's better than every AHCI/SATA drive that has dram.

[muted patio]

It pulls more power than 1 cable can provide

[wanton cliff]

Imagine pinging Jake

[ripe wedge]

yeah

[mental steeple]

It's also better than the crucial p1

[muted patio]

Each cable is 200W or thereabouts

[mental steeple]

Do you actually know what a dedicated dram cache does?

[neat reef]

oh i see

[golden cape]

just look up gpu cable mod or something

[ripe wedge]

eh thats a stretch

[mental steeple]

No it's not.

[ripe wedge]

its an on board memory controller

[mental steeple]

I mean, no it isn't lol

[ripe wedge]

iirc

[mental steeple]

You require an onboard dram controller in order to have dram

[golden cape]

https://cablemod.com/product-category/cable-extensions/8-pin-pcie/ something like these

[mental steeple]

But a dram cache isn't a memory controller lol what

It's in the name

It's another layer of cache made using dram

[ripe wedge]

yeah I get what you mean

but still price to perf the sn550 is bad value

[mental steeple]

If you're going to make over-generalizations no dram=/=bad dont buy, at least go learn what a dram cache does, and the impact of removal

[mental steeple]

No?

Depends on the price?

How much $ for how many gb?

[ripe wedge]

the sn550 500gb is like $55 iirc

[mental steeple]

That's fairly reasonable.

Not great, but reasonable

[ripe wedge]

for $5 more you could get a better drive

[mental steeple]

For $40 more you can get a drive with double the capacity.

[neat reef]

oh yeh, i looked at stuff like that for $40 each, but also idk if the not using cables that arent the same brand

[muted patio]

As long as it's an extension it'll be fine

[neat reef]

ok

[muted patio]

It's direct to the PSU where you need to worry about pinouts

[neat reef]

idc about looks enough for $80

[muted patio]

Right lol

[neat reef]

i care about the looks the pc makes on the screen not the PC lol

[ripe wedge]

yeah like a 665p 1tb, I think those were going for $89 but havent checked the price on them recently

[wanton cliff]

then you are much more reasonable than half of the people that come into this channel

[neat reef]

yeh lol

[ripe wedge]

I have a 660p, its not an amazing boot drive but its a fine game drive

[mental steeple]

SN550 is also a better drive than the 665p and the 660p lol

🤷

[ripe wedge]

but my boot drive is an sn750

[wanton cliff]

I remember there was this one guy that changed a list @muted patio gave him to have a R5 2600, 16 gigs of XPG RAM in 3200 mhz, and an RGB power supply that had really bad reviews

The budget was $2000.

cant remember the GPU for some reason but I remember it was really bad

want to guess what he spent the rest of that $2000 budget on?

[mental steeple]

Ok

[muted patio]

RGB

I can't remember though

[mental steeple]

Just wanted to tell you the SN550 isn't bad 😎

[wanton cliff]

amongst other things

[ripe wedge]

but anyways I wouldnt recommend the sn550 anyway

[mental steeple]

It's approach to being dramless is arguably the smartest out of all the dramless-nvme drives

[wanton cliff]

He also had an Evolv X

I repeat

an Evolv X

[mental steeple]

Only reason to not recommend is it's pricing in the US market 🤷

[ripe wedge]

yeah

[muted patio]

That guy must have really been silly cuz I don't remember this

[wanton cliff]

He said (and I quote) "It was either that or the Razer Tomahawk"

[ripe wedge]

if it was a bit cheaper I wouldnt say no immidiately

[wanton cliff]

it was yesterday in general

[muted patio]

You sure I gave him a list?

[wanton cliff]

yep

he said it was you himself

[muted patio]

Well

i don't remember that

[wanton cliff]

I believe he was .50 cal or something

[muted patio]

I don't remember giving anyone a list yesterday

brb

[wanton cliff]

changed his name recently to something I cant remember

[wanton cliff]

you gave him the list before that, he changed it and came back some amount of days later

[muted patio]

Still dunno

[tawny spindle]

Hey guys, all my specs came in today, and i'm not sure how to build my pc 😂 can anyone please help.

[muted patio]

That's the weird part

I don't have any 2K lists saved

[neat reef]

watch some youtube videos, i recommend JayzTwoCents

you'll be here all day without a video lol

like search how to build pc jayztwocents

[tawny spindle]

Hmmm, very very good point

I'd like to get some direct help if you know what i mean 😂

[neat reef]

well you start with putting the CPU in

put the motherboard on top of its box

[tawny spindle]

Can i DM you if that's alright?

[shrewd charm]

How do you know which way is +or-for case reset and power buttons there is an arrow on one side but nothing in instructions says if that is + or -?

[muted patio]

Those don't matter

Just plug em in whichever way

[shrewd charm]

Ok

[wanton cliff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ik it was around there

maybe not that exact price point

side note - you save your lists?

[muted patio]

Some of them yes on PC Partpicker

[signal bluff]

@calm dove what's good

[wanton cliff]

tfw your brain has the processing power of a 2007 iPhone

but only when you are doing homework

[muted patio]

With a good or a bad battery? XD

I remember that debacle

[wanton cliff]

nah even better

Commodore 64

thats how good my brain is

also tfw it says the package arrived but UPS never did

my poor AMP

lost somewhere in shipping

[muted patio]

OOF

Probably at a neighbors

go knock on doors

check mailbox

[wanton cliff]

nah

the UPS guy knows us

hes the only one that ever delivers here

its lost somewhere

amazon just lying to me

[potent portal]

"Signed by Diane"
Time to find out who Diane is

[wanton cliff]

crap

[muted patio]

Toldja

[wanton cliff]

oh I thought that the thing wasnt blurred out well enough

I thought you could see my last name XD