why not faster ram
#building-and-recc-chat
junior frost
glacial lark
tight budget and am not really relying on cpu power atm
hollow grail
how much is mp34 vs the p1 where u are
stoic island
@unborn flicker it's just United States and import tariffs against China that had exemptions that are expiring
I think, don't quote me, but the tariffs were like 10-25%
wanton cliff
tight budget and am not really relying on cpu power atm
in that case its good ig, I would get some faster ram and a WD Blue hard drive instead of Seagate
where did he go
unborn flicker
i was sitting here like hmmmm should i go ahead and just go over kill and upgrade from 64 to 128 of ram Lol
wanton cliff
i was sitting here like hmmmm should i go ahead and just go over kill and upgrad...
keep 64, wait for DDR5 to come out when 32gb at 8600mhz CL16 is standard
fossil halo
32 gb dimms exist?
glacial lark
in that case its good ig, I would get some faster ram and a WD Blue hard drive i...
i chose crucial ram because of sacrificing 400 mhz of ram speed for -2 cl latency all the other rams that are 3600 cl 16 are way over my current budget
fossil halo
wow
glacial lark
my pc has 256gb
must be nice LUL
fossil halo
that is cap sir
junior frost
how?
junior frost
?
unborn flicker
lol
fossil halo
u see
fossil halo
no one tell him
mental steeple
little osprey
my pc has 256gb
256mb*
junior frost
i have 8 sticks of 32
fossil halo
wow
mental steeple
no it doesn't 
glacial lark
my current laptop has 4 gigs poggers
wanton cliff
i chose crucial ram because of sacrificing 400 mhz of ram speed for -2 cl latenc...
Zen2 likes 3600mhz a lot more than 3200mhz
cas latency doesnt matter too much
unless you are overclocking
wanton cliff
just as long as it isnt over 18 ns
fossil halo
LMFAO
junior frost
i have 2 quadro 8000s in sli
mental steeple
my bad i was incredibly high and thought they were talking about the l
the helix-L is a good SSD at its price-point 😤
fossil halo
why do u need a budget build then
little osprey
no it doesn't <:KEK:781812990659002409>
the helix-L?
glacial lark
cas latency doesnt matter too much
hmm i saw on techsources channel that cas latency is good to have low but lemme do sum more research
hollow grail
the l is good but not enough of a banger to give to an irl friend
mental steeple
the helix-L?
Yes, the helix-L is the dramless+HMB drive, SM2263XT controller
stoic island
MP34 is nice
mental steeple
The pilot-E is SM2262EN
stoic island
Well
mental steeple
The MP34 is phison E12
wanton cliff
hmm i saw on techsources channel that cas latency is good to have low but lemme ...
its better to have lower latency obviously but as long as you are under 18 ns you will be fine
mental steeple
MP34 might've switched to 2262en???
wanton cliff
i have 6438TB of storage on my PC
Lili is weeping tears of jealousy
stoic island
3600 cl18 will preform slightly better than 3200 cl16 on Ryzen, because of IF clocks
little osprey
Yes, the helix-L is the dramless+HMB drive, SM2263XT controller
oh did i not specify that i was talking abt the helix-L
fossil halo
🧢
stoic island
@mental steeple when?
mental steeple
oh did i not specify that i was talking abt the helix-L
you said pilot-E
little osprey
you said pilot-E
ohh my bad
got the two confused
mental steeple
<@!261617855257116672> when?
idk might've misread the SSD spreadsheet
glacial lark
and there sir is where we say
may i ask why do you need such a overkill pc
junior frost
i dont like my 360HZ triple monitor setup tho.
mental steeple
Doesn't matter though
Phison E12 and 2262EN perform close enough that it does not matter
stoic island
bruh
fossil halo
may i ask why do you need such a overkill pc
he wants to launch a rocket to space from his backyard i think
stoic island
swapping controllers kinda scummy tho
fossil halo
advanced commie
junior frost
i dont like my $2K mousepad
fossil halo
wow
junior frost
who wants it'
glacial lark
he wants to launch a rocket to space from his backyard i think
dudes running nasa's algorithms 
mental steeple
swapping controllers kinda scummy tho
Nope they didn't swap, I was wrong. And it isn't really if the controller is parity.
glacial lark
who wants it'
sure
fossil halo
i dont like my $2K mousepad
get a 15k gucci one
stoic island
No, I'm referring to the SX8200 pro thing in terms of when they do it
junior frost
ok ill trade for a gtx 1650 super
mental steeple
No, I'm referring to the SX8200 pro thing in terms of when they do it
The nand bait and switch was a bit worse than the controller
hollow grail
Nope they didn't swap, I was wrong. And it isn't really if the controller is par...
adata: helo
spiral lake
I know this should be the easiest part, but does anyone know a full tower ATX case with room for 3 120mm or 2 140mm on the front? for a not outragous cost? RGB preferrable
vagrant olive
4000d airflow
stoic island
eh, both played a part
mental steeple
adata: helo
SM2262G isn't quite parity of the SM2262EN
hollow grail
The nand bait and switch was a bit worse than the controller
both are bad enough to where i will never even be considering adata for any product ever again
stoic island
Bait and switch on any part of the SSD is scummy
junior frost
i use 10 CPUs in my bui'd
hollow grail
that and the fail rate
small osprey
I know this should be the easiest part, but does anyone know a full tower ATX ca...
td500
stoic island
@spiral lake TD500 mesh, P400a, P500a, Lian li lancool ii mesh
mental steeple
both are bad enough to where i will never even be considering adata for any prod...
PLEASE respect the helix-L and all SM2263XT and Phison E13T drives 
junior frost
my pc was $64337
hollow grail
PLEASE respect the helix-L and all SM2263XT and Phison E13T drives <:pensivepart...
i have respect for the l
mental steeple
mfw mr1111 explains how not having a dedicated dram cache means you cant do wear levelling
stoic island
Ah yes
mental steeple
small osprey
my pc was $64337
my pc list is $187m beat that nerd
hollow grail
i just will respect it as long as it is $90 or less
stoic island
@mental steeple dram magically spreads itself like butter on the nand
glacial lark
can a ryzen5 5600x run on a b550 without a bios update
small osprey
can a ryzen5 5600x run on a b550 without a bios update
not yet
wanton cliff
my pc list is $187m beat that nerd
$4b here
mental steeple
i just will respect it as long as it is $90 or less
Sub $95 for E13T/SM2263XT drives is imo the absolute most that should be paid
I'd lump SN550 into the same category.
Above that pay the extra money for the pilot-E or mp34
hollow grail
sn550 is 100% in that category
stoic island
But anyways I seriously remember something about dram being important for wear leveling somewhere
hollow grail
pilot e and mp34 are rly good tho
mental steeple
But anyways I seriously remember something about dram being important for wear l...
Probably the LTT video but it doesn't explain
small osprey
my pc list can actually be used and doesnt have any unnecessary stuff lol
stoic island
I don't think it was ltt, don't even remember if they talked about wear leveling
small osprey
it was first day for most boards, so yes, and
Hello from Fugaku
whos fugaku?
wanton cliff
whos fugaku?
most powerful supercomputer
mental steeple
it CAN affect wear levelling if we store metadata on the nand (PSLC cache) @stoic island as in we're putting more wear on the nand (Not by a margin that matters for regular consumers)
small osprey
oh lmao
hollow grail
But anyways I seriously remember something about dram being important for wear l...
yes but if you need super good wear leveling youre not even considering dramless ssds to begin with
small osprey
mine is consumer level
mental steeple
But if we put metadata in HMB there is no extra wear
small osprey
k wait a sec
hollow grail
i just cant use hmb i think
mental steeple
And the SN550 which splits metadata between SLC cache and SRAM cache doesn't see a relevant endurance loss
hollow grail
since a lot of my infrastructure is sandy bridge
little osprey
okay but here me out
dimm to m.2 convertor. and then put an hmb drive in it 🤔
mental steeple
yes but if you need super good wear leveling youre not even considering dramless...
wear leveling isn't even something to be concerned about with modern half decent drives.
Global wear levelling is basically a given
Not even worth mentioning
small osprey
@wanton cliff https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PPW3j2
hollow grail
wear leveling isn't even something to be concerned about with modern half decent...
you know what i do to my ssds right?
my babies need wear leveling lul
mental steeple
you know what i do to my ssds right?
if you're that concerned buy something 3dxpoint based 
hollow grail
if you're that concerned buy something 3dxpoint based <:Kek:716753381108219904>
more fun burning nvme drives
wanton cliff
<@!305102062121648138> https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PPW3j2
thats literally just an office without the building lol
mental steeple
my babies need wear leveling lul
the point is, is that almost all half decent modern drives have global wear levelling
given how dynamic SLC caches work and all
wanton cliff
also its18 million not 187 million @small osprey
fossil halo
if u have pc problem, reject humanity and become monke
small osprey
thats literally just an office without the building lol
nah its a list with desk and peripherals and stuff
small osprey
also its18 million not 187 million <@!604123052976111655>
oh yea 18m sry
wanton cliff
https://tenor.com/view/monke-reject-humanity-become-monke-gif-18954966
I sent this in general yesterday
stoic island
fun
fossil halo
everyone's troubles will be solved
small osprey
monke
fossil halo
if they go back to monke
wanton cliff
GO BACK I WANT TO BE MONKE
mental steeple
more fun burning nvme drives
something something heres newmaxx saying that global wear levelling is universal
wanton cliff
also thats the without sound version
hollow grail
the point is, is that almost all half decent modern drives have global wear leve...
hmb ssds are intentionally squelched by big dram
wanton cliff
i have the audio version
mental steeple
hmb ssds are intentionally squelched by big dram
no NAND itself is a conspiracy theory perpetrated by big nand
nand is actually just a ton of tiny hard drives in raid 0
QLC nand is bad because it uses tiny SMR hard drives
hollow grail
true
mental steeple
also the phison E12 had bad ECC
wanton cliff
sound like my parents lol
mental steeple
stoic island
it what
mental steeple
The phison E12 has 55 BIT BCH SIR
mental steeple
it what
no it doesnt
the phison e12 utilizes 2kbit codeword LDPC combined with parity raidECC for redundancy 😎
mental steeple
what
stoic island
like
mental steeple
do you know how raidECC works
mental steeple
if LDPC fails to correct an error raidECC provides an uncorrupted parity of the data
it works by duplicating writes on the superpage level iirc
glacial lark
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/YYsVZZ @wanton cliff ok so after some more digging and testing i finally came with a final draft might change the motherboard last second but i think this will be it, even though it is over my budget i can always find a way to make up for that.
mental steeple
and ldpc in itself is already double redundant by providing both hard and soft decoding
stoic island
ah
wanton cliff
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/YYsVZZ <@!305102062121648138> ok so after some ...
much better. Now how about that Phanteks AMP?
stoic island
How would LDPC fail actually?
wanton cliff
yeah the 212 isnt great
stoic island
@wanton cliff txm actually cheapest good psu in uk
wanton cliff
the P1 is alright tho
mental steeple
neither is the crucial p1
wanton cliff
<@!305102062121648138> txm actually cheapest good psu in uk
nevermind then
I remember the P1 being good?
stoic island
use ma list >:D
mental steeple
the P1 is alright tho
crucial p1 is outperformed by dramless Sm2263XT drives in consumer-ish burst load scenarios despite having the better controller
and i mean the SN550 is just
stoic island
I think P1 had a really small SLC cache?
mental steeple
overall better
mental steeple
I think P1 had a really small SLC cache?
P1 has a dram cache but it's still an immense underperformer
wanton cliff
crucial p1 is outperformed by dramless Sm2263XT drives in consumer-ish burst loa...
interesting. 970 EVO time
hollow grail
yeah p1 is anemic
mental steeple
interesting. 970 EVO time
NO.
mental steeple
no i wont drink the samsung jamba juice
hollow grail
you have to
mental steeple
hollow grail
to ascend
hollow grail
a2000 cring
wanton cliff
970 EVO
hollow grail
please make it be $90 kingston
stoic island
MP34 1tb is 111gbp
hollow grail
theyd clean house
stoic island
mental steeple
970 EVO
970 evo is on par with e12 and 2262en based drives and priced like it can compete with the sn750 and p31
which it cant
mental steeple
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DKB5LWY
sk hynix playing 4d chess
hollow grail
both r good
stoic island
Is P31 actually dat gud
hollow grail
im actually upset abt p31 tho
gusty abyss
that hynix is shiny
stoic island
need to check testing
wanton cliff
lili, join us in the VC. Everyone is here.
hollow grail
why the hell did they do green pcb
stoic island
only know the sata hynix gold one
mental steeple
lili, join us in the VC. Everyone is here.
im not
hollow grail
lili, join us in the VC. Everyone is here.
am too shy
stoic island
@mental steeple I'd go TD500 mesh and skip on extra fans lel
mental steeple
<@!261617855257116672> I'd go TD500 mesh and skip on extra fans lel
duh
wanton cliff
you were in there yesterday
stoic island
or p400a for even cheaper with 3 fans
earnest olive
corsair txm is better than just fine
wanton cliff
mental steeple
corsair txm is better than just fine
Not really.
wanton cliff
join us, everyone that can
stoic island
TXm is good :P
mental steeple
It has above average ripple in higher wattage loads, lack of 12V OCP (which is normally fine) but OPP is set a little bit too high for it to act as a very good substitute for 12V OCP @earnest olive
earnest olive
maybe we have different standards of fine
mental steeple
and then it has meme-tier fan curve but lol who cares
earnest olive
i think any psu that has given me zero issues with a 3080 is more than fine
mental steeple
i think any psu that has given me zero issues with a 3080 is more than fine
lol you can't trip 12V OCP if you have no 12V OCP 
An EVGA supernova G3 which is not fine would work fine with a 3080, maybe re-consider your definition of fine and above fine.
mental steeple
And things to nitpick
I mean...good protection tuning is important?
earnest olive
my bad i forgot little timmy needs a 4x3090 setup to run fortnite
mental steeple
The corsair TXM is "good" but it's not nearly as outstanding as some people make it out to be
muted patio
I mean, 99.9% of users have no idea about power supplies
They buy them and use them and everything works just fine
mental steeple
Yep that's why garbage tier power supplies have rave user reviews.
Is because of clueless consumers
muted patio
And most of those people have no issues
mental steeple
And most of those people have no issues
When they don't have an understanding of what the flaws in these power supplies can affect, they won't attribute later hardware failures down the line to being caused by the power supply.
Not referring to the TXM here.
mental steeple
You're assuming their hardware fails
Popular units like the EVGA W1/thermaltake smart/popular el cheapo group regulated power supplies inherently put more wear on certain components.
There is a very real chance they can cause hardware failure.
muted patio
The whole truth is that nitpicking all this stuff means absolutely nothing to most people. The vast, and I mean VAST majority of people don't have issues
Even with cheap garbo power supplies
earnest olive
also.. source on txm not having ocp? corsair claims ocp and the teardown on tom's hardware lists ocp
mental steeple
also.. source on txm not having ocp? corsair claims ocp and the teardown on tom'...
no 12V OCP=/=no OCP
muted patio
You always need to remember that what matters to you or I doesn't need to matter to other people
mental steeple
i might be wrong though
muted patio
I have a Phanteks AMP for a reason lol
muted patio
But if someone buys a Corsair CV and it works fine forever, it doesn't really matter
muted patio
I mean, I had a 700 watt ThermalTake TR2 that I beat on for 5-6 years and never had an issue
mental steeple
But if someone buys a Corsair CV and it works fine forever, it doesn't really ma...
People smoke cigarettes their whole lives and live to 100, doesn't mean it's safe
Yep.
That happens.
Doesn't change the fact it's a liability and these units are unrecommendable for most builds
It really doesn't cost much money to get something with a decent secondary side topology
muted patio
Exactly, so beating on people about useless acronyms that they don't know or care about often leads to them getting frustrated and just leaving
mental steeple
Exactly, so beating on people about useless acronyms that they don't know or car...
Was I beating on people?
muted patio
if they resist, don't force the issue lol
frigid zinc
im setting up my pc and it dosent detects my wifi
what can i do
i dont have a ethernet cable
mental steeple
The TXM was good in my mind beforehand?
Pointing out a power supplies flaws=/=it's a bad power supply all together
earnest olive
my definition of "fine" is "just good enough to not be worth throwing in the garbage", i think the txm is quite a bit better than that threshold
mental steeple
especially considering I wasn't even right about the 12V OCP
It really isn't hard to just ignore trash products and buy good products that still don't cost much
It's like an extra $10-20 to get a DC-DC regulated power supply now.
Well worth it for not having an extra liability.
"It's worked for people" isn't a valid reason to not shun an outdated and unsuitable design.
stoic island
@mental steeple why you gotta insult my g3 :(
mental steeple
<@!261617855257116672> why you gotta insult my g3 :(
muted patio
Vast majority of people buy based on price. PSU is always the bottom of the list. CPU and GPU first.
frigid zinc
can anyone help me
im setting up windows and it dosent detect my wifi and i cant really move the router to use a ethernet cable
nvm fixed it
earnest olive
I was about to ask if you had a wifi adapter lol
boreal quiver
Is an mpg x570 a pretty good motherboard
frigid zinc
it dosent detect wifi
stoic island
depends on which one
boreal quiver
Do you have a wifi adapter plugged in with working antennas?
stoic island
x570 gaming edge wifi or what else
frigid zinc
router's working
boreal quiver
MSI Gaming Edge WiFi
frigid zinc
i cant really connect the ethernet
stoic island
stay away from that one
frigid zinc
i cant move the router from where it is
stoic island
toasty vrms
boreal quiver
I hope your routers working or we wouldn't have this discussion
boreal quiver
stay away from that one
Rip
frigid zinc
yea im on my laptop rn
still roostBOT
fefe#0001 has been warned
frigid zinc
i cant do anything in my pc
stoic island
like move pc to where the router is
boreal quiver
You think changing the capacitors might help it?
boreal quiver
Or are the cpaicators not the heat issue
stoic island
what you trying to do to the mobo
boreal quiver
If there is a problem with vrms I'd rather experiment with it than buy a new one
I'm not having problems so far
But later on would it become an issue
boreal quiver
Oof
stoic island
anyways, if you think replacing caps does anything to inefficient mosfets
they don't
maybe you could try to get some kind of new heatsink on
boreal quiver
True
boreal quiver
I'm running a ryzen 7 3700x but overclocking dosent have room anyways really on it
fleet pagoda
🤑
boreal quiver
.2 gigahertz max for a heavy increase in temperature is a no thanks
boreal quiver
I have a program that makes the activate thing go away at boot
Not worth it unless you want the customization
boreal quiver
Alright
mental steeple
Is an mpg x570 a pretty good motherboard
No.
None of the MPG x570 boards are good.
wanton cliff
X570 TUF is much better
stoic island
I think ace was mpg? Dunno, marketing always weird
mental steeple
X570 in general is to be avoided unless you fit the niche that can utilize the extra chipset lanes, stick with B550.
mental steeple
I think ace was mpg? Dunno, marketing always weird
that's MEG
stoic island
Fun
wanton cliff
I got my TUF X570 for $130 at one point a few months ago, brand new straight from the seller
mental steeple
You'll get better motherboard componentry for a lower price if you go with B550
unless you get a deal like that
kek
tulip arch
What are some good atx cases ?
mental steeple
What are some good atx cases ?
metallicgear neo air
wanton cliff
What are some good atx cases ?
budget?
tulip arch
$100 or less
wanton cliff
P400a Digital
stoic island
Cougar mx330-g air
small osprey
What are some good atx cases ?
td500 mesh, p500a, 4000d airflow, meshify c
mental steeple
p400a digital isn't great unless you can find it in the sub $80 area
stoic island
Coolermaster H500 no suffix
stoic island
Meshify C usually 80$ now, with another fan it can be good
tulip arch
Coolermaster H500 no suffix
Does that have good air flow
stoic island
@mental steeple imo mx330-g air is a neo air, except one more fan
Yes, mesh panel good
mental steeple
<@261617855257116672> imo mx330-g air is a neo air, except one more fan
i mean it isnt
mental steeple
the neo air uses the p360a frame and as a result has quite a bit better build quality than the MX330-G air
i was replying to you calling it a neo air
stoic island
Ofc build quality, I mean performance wise
mental steeple
the mx-330g screams sweatshop quality
stoic island
Personally I'm focused on stuffing perf in
mental steeple
then again i suppose iphones do aswell
stoic island
If it cuts you it's fine >:D
wanton cliff
should I run Heaven to heat up my laptop a little to use to warm my hands?
thats a good idea, right?
stoic island
Nah furmark
small osprey
yes totally
wanton cliff
alright
small osprey
run some cyberpunk
wanton cliff
run some cyberpunk
havent even unzipped it yet, and this is a 1650Ti
wanton cliff
Nah furmark
dowload link?
tulip arch
Now is asus a high end mobo ?
tulip arch
Yes I know but do they make high end mobos
wanton cliff
Now is asus a high end mobo ?
yes, very high quality
mental steeple
Yes I know but do they make high end mobos
All of the motherboard manufactures make high end motherboards.
muted patio
Just like everyone else lol
wanton cliff
their X570 line is good
stoic island
Sara do you not have furmark installed smh
mental steeple
their X570 line is good
The crosshair 8 impact which is x570 is not good
stoic island
tulip arch
So I know Intel is coming out with its new cpus soon and what would one asus mobo cost to get the premium bells and gadgets on it
wanton cliff
The crosshair 8 impact which is x570 is not good <:Kek:716753381108219904>
I meant without any weird names. Just Strix or TUF X570
mental steeple
spongeboy me bob my thermal pad is too thick and my ssd is bent
mental steeple
I meant without any weird names. Just Strix or TUF X570
The X570I strix had units shipping without chipset thermal pads
stoic island
@mental steeple bent sata SSDs are the best out of context
mental steeple
Same affect
wanton cliff
thought you meant VRM fans
stoic island
Because it's not something that just accidentally happens
mental steeple
thought you meant VRM fans
Uh...they have chipset fans still
The X570I strix has a chipset fan
it's just very well hidden
wanton cliff
Only a few seconds and it’s already getting toasty @stoic island
55c right now
Oh no
It’s done already
mental steeple
55c right now
what on earth is 55c bad for
stoic island
Did you expect any less from furmark
@wanton cliff stress test
Not the graphics benchmark
wanton cliff
I said I wanted this thing to get hot
mental steeple
wanton cliff
This only lasted a couple seconds
small osprey
I said I wanted this thing to get hot
cyberpunk
wanton cliff
what on earth is 55c bad for
Jumped from 40
stoic island
@wanton cliff there's a big stress test button
stoic island
In furmark
wanton cliff
Can’t click it
stoic island
Click that
wanton cliff
Won’t let me
mental steeple
Jumped from 40
ok and
stoic island
I've heard of GPUs downclocking when they see furmark but not disable stress test
wanton cliff
stoic island
Weird
muted patio
weird
stoic island
Turn full screen off maybe
wanton cliff
it was off
stoic island
Hm
wanton cliff
I turned it on to see if it would enable anything
wait
i am are have stupid
I didnt press ok on the bench score thing
thats why it wasnt enabled
muted patio
lol
wanton cliff
Sitting at 55c right now
Still not enough to warm my hands with
Is it under clocking itself?
1150mhz on a 1650Ti?
Is that normal?
small osprey
c y b e r p u n k
wanton cliff
It’s a 107gb file that I don’t even have unzipped yet, Ssenti
stoic island
@wanton cliff supposed to be 1350 base clock for mobile 1650ti
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1650-ti-mobile.c3517
wanton cliff
Of course mine is underclocking itself
wanton cliff
It is only raising a single degree per 2 minutes
Celsius
It’s at 57c right now
I’ve had more heat from Heaven
I’ll go do that one
spiral lake
is the ASUS ROG Strix B450-F a decent mobo for a middle of the road PC? Most importantly does it have wifi. pretty sure most mobos these days do but i want to make sure
wanton cliff
It will say if it had WiFi
That one doesn’t
Most don’t
Get a B550 also, not a B450
spiral lake
is there a major reason why?
wanton cliff
Why what?
rich helm
Why they don’t have wifi?
wanton cliff
@stoic island not 20 seconds and I’m already at 60c on Heaven
wanton cliff
why to go for a 550 instead of a 450
More features, generally priced better
spiral lake
got it, ill look for 550s now
wanton cliff
Also you can get a WiFi PCIe card that performs better than any onboard WiFi
spiral lake
got it, thank you
muted patio
I mean
wanton cliff
Come back when you find a good board
muted patio
Onboard wifi cheaper though. Most add in cards are $30+ while onboard wifi is usually a $20 permium for the same board
muted patio
Yeah, it will depend on the board too
When I was shopping for mine, WiFi was an extra $15-20 so I just sent it lol
gusty abyss
tuf x570 plus wifi is on sale a lot
wanton cliff
How tf is a 1650Ti getting 128 FPS on Heaven on Ultra settings in 4K
This makes no sense whatsoever
muted patio
It is but no way to update BIOS if you buy a 5000 series CPU lol
It doesn't have flash back
gusty abyss
u rite
wanton cliff
B550 TUF does
small osprey
How tf is a 1650Ti getting 128 FPS on Heaven on Ultra settings in 4K
throttle
wanton cliff
Well how tf do I turn throttling off
I want this thing to get hot
Also it’s only 60c
It should be struggling a lot more
small osprey
not intensive enough
cursive flare
good pc for 700$
wanton cliff
good pc for 700$
Gaming?
cursive flare
yeah
wanton cliff
the main hot parts of laptop
No HDD, only SSD on this one
cursive flare
like a good cpu and mobo
wanton cliff
like a good cpu and mobo
R5 3500, 1660 super, B550 DS3H, 16gb G.Skill Ripjaws 3200mhz
cursive flare
R5 3500, 1660 super, B550 DS3H, 16gb G.Skill Ripjaws 3200mhz
ty
wanton cliff
oh that explains why
Any idea how to disable thermal throttling?
cursive flare
can u send me a link for the 3500
small osprey
Any idea how to disable thermal throttling?
idk but i dont think itll make much difference
small osprey
can u send me a link for the 3500
oh she had a typo
thats supposed to be ryzen 5 3600
small osprey
uh nothing there
wanton cliff
uh nothing there
It exists, having trouble finding one
wanton cliff
small osprey
enough for a 3600
wanton cliff
why a 3500 tho
Good mid tier CPU
Now I’m only getting 17fps but it’s still capping at 60c
3500 is just a lower binned chip without hyperthreading
small osprey
oof no hyper threading
muted patio
They aren't available to the public
OEM only
"There is though, a catch. Namely that this processor is only being provided to OEM partners. In other words, a retail desktop release doesn’t seem likely at all."
wanton cliff
"There is though, a catch. Namely that this processor is only being provided to ...
Mind telling me how to disable thermal throttling on this damn thing?
Capping at 60c
muted patio
Uh
I don't think you can
And 60C isn't thermal throttling
Thermal throttle is like, 90C
wanton cliff
Nvidia control panel?
Wait
It might have been using Intel UHD graphics
Damn iGPU
small osprey
lol
wanton cliff
How do I make it use my GPU instead of iGPU
muted patio
nVidia control panel
wanton cliff
I still don’t see how
Wait
I think it’s saying that PhysX is using the GPU while the display is using the CPU (10300H)
hollow grail
And 60C isn't thermal throttling
some bad laptop makers will throttle at lower temps
throttlestop fixes this but like
can also turn laptop into inferno
viewer discretion advised
muted patio
Ye, I didn't realize it was a lappy until the next post lol
wanton cliff
some bad laptop makers will throttle at lower temps
coughs in acer
I nuked this laptop tho
hollow grail
its in the bios
wanton cliff
Ye, I didn't realize it was a lappy until the next post lol
the term "1650Ti" doesnt mean anything to you?
it only exists in lappys
muted patio
It dfidn't register
wanton cliff
makes sense
wanton cliff
rip tucows
muted patio
I only saw 3500/1650 lol
wanton cliff
I only saw 3500/1650 lol
i have 10300H/1650
3500 i was recommending to someone else before I realized that its only in budget prebuilts
I should go to bios after im done with homework
I should get done with homework
Acer BIOS is F2 right?
drifting garnet
So my friends CPU debug light comes on his MSI B550M Pro VDH motherboard, and the system doesn't post. This started happening after he overclocked his ram to 3333mhz from 3200mhz and it won't post but the fans spin.
muted patio
Reset CMOS
muted patio
Either use the battery method or jump the two CMOS pins
wanton cliff
agreed
wanton cliff
Either use the battery method or jump the two CMOS pins
I would just do CMOS battery. A lot safer.
what RAM is it?
a jump of 133mhz shouldnt do too much damage
drifting garnet
Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200
drifting garnet
He had it OC'd before and it just started.
wanton cliff
yeah
drifting garnet
Did his ram be like broke now?
wanton cliff
that happens
wanton cliff
Did his ram be like broke now?
nah
drifting garnet
ok
wanton cliff
itll be fine
just an unstable clock
reset CMOS and turn the XMP profile back on and you will be perfectly fine
worst case scenario, get some better RAM, because Corsair Vengeance sucks kinda bad ngl
drifting garnet
I'm pretty sure my ram is sucky too.
muted patio
OH yeah, that probably won't overclock well without raising the voltage
drifting garnet
That is why I am not overclocking
wanton cliff
I'm pretty sure my ram is sucky too.
which kit?
drifting garnet
T Force 3200 16gb
little osprey
Is there a way where I can use my phone to measure pc temps for free?
wanton cliff
Is there a way where I can use my phone to measure pc temps for free?
no lol
muted patio
use your phone to measure PC temps? no
wanton cliff
but there are plenty of softwares that are free
little osprey
Is there a way where I can use my phone to measure pc temps for free?
unless your phone has a thermal imaging
then no, you can't.
wanton cliff
and I doubt your phone does
little osprey
and I doubt your phone does
you can buy a camera and plug it into your phone tho
but mostly likely to be very expensive
drifting garnet
My friend is also getting Crucial Ballistics. From what I heard it is good for overclocking is that true?
He is sad that he can't overclock his Corsair ram.
Lol he reset the Cmos and it still no work
@muted patio
muted patio
Did you unplug it from the wall first?
drifting garnet
yes
muted patio
Left battery out for how long?
muted patio
2
drifting garnet
ok
ripe wedge
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-15-3tb-qx/p/N82E16820331645? @hollow grail take a look at this monstrosity
hollow grail
i mean
they arent wrong
it is the largest consumer ssd
mostly because EVERYONE ELSE thinks "why are we doing this"
hollow grail
M.2 can go up to 7.3 tb from what I’ve seen
8tb and nah theyre fast
the sabrent one has a big enough cache that you can constantly write to it
wanton cliff
the sabrent one has a big enough cache that you can constantly write to it
Are you referring to the PCIe 8x one or the M.2 one?
hollow grail
Are you referring to the PCIe 8x one or the M.2 one?
m.2 nvme
hollow grail
has 2tb of slc nand sitting in front of the qlc
so itll hit those write speeds for a while
wanton cliff
Impressive
Wonder when consumer drives will be on the petascale
Another decade or two?
3 even?
How long did it take us to go from the gigascale to the terascale?
fleet pagoda
My grandma deleted the email for this so what should i do
wanton cliff
Well then you are screwed 
Disown your grandma
Or call wherever you bought it from and see if you can still redeem it
wanton cliff
Yep
drifting garnet
2
Ok now he reset the cmos, and it brings up the windows logo but nothing happens. Not even the loading icon spinny thing.
wanton cliff
Would i contact bestbuy where i bought it
They are the ones offering the deal
Not the seller
Iirc
muted patio
Gotta go into the BIOS and setup ram speed and boot order.
wanton cliff
Ok now he reset the cmos, and it brings up the windows logo but nothing happens....
Boot into bios
Dang same time
I’ve never had to setup boot order after CMOS clear?
Then again I’ve only ever had one SSD since my last CMOS clear
muted patio
THey got hte Windows logo so probably not boot order but
Might be trying to boot Legacy instead of UEFI
drifting garnet
What is the difference between XMP 1 and XMP profile 2? The timings are just lower on 2 right?
muted patio
Not necessarily, check what settings the profile is changing
stoic island
Sometimes XMP 1 is just JEDEC defaults
drifting garnet
I am using profile 1 an I own the same motherboard as him and it runs at the rated speed, not sure if the timings are any different.
wanton cliff
What board, what CPU?
little osprey
@drifting garnet I can overclock my corsair ram
drifting garnet
Not necessarily, check what settings the profile is changing
Ok, now his PC just says preparing automatic repair and is stuck there for a bit now.
drifting garnet
We have given it like 20 minutes
wanton cliff
Ah
drifting garnet
now what
frozen axle
hey can i send someone a video about the windows watermark to see if its legit cause the other methods make the activation come back
wanton cliff
hey can i send someone a video about the windows watermark to see if its legit c...
I mean, worst case scenario there are licenses for literal pennies on EBay
frozen axle
true
earnest olive
lol
little osprey
<@456226577798135808>
2x16gb 3200mhz corsair vengeance rgb pro
I have 2 of those sets
little osprey
3600
wanton cliff
Oh wow
drifting garnet
now what after it is stuck on the automatic repair?
little osprey
I could probably go further, but didn't want to risk damage
wanton cliff
now what after it is stuck on the automatic repair?
Take the SSD/Hard drives out, put them back in, and do another CMOS. Do this with power off of course
little osprey
My motherboard allow up to 4000 mhz
wanton cliff
Which mobo?
little osprey
Msi mpg gaming plus x570
wanton cliff
Ew
muted patio
Well, your mothebroard may allow up to 4000 but the CPU won't. It's tied to FCLK and desyncing it costs performance
wanton cliff
What CPU?
muted patio
3600
little osprey
7 3700x
muted patio
Yeah
little osprey
Haven't updated my name yet
drifting garnet
He wants to try an M Flash
muted patio
maybe 3800 max
drifting garnet
Is that a good idea
little osprey
@muted patio Im not going to try to OC a 3200 to 4000
muted patio
Good lol
little osprey
3600 is the max I'm willing to go
drifting garnet
halp
wanton cliff
Zen2 doesn’t benefit from more than 3600mhz anyways
drifting garnet
pls halp
little osprey
@drifting garnet Sara sent a hint
drifting garnet
But he said he wants to try a M Flash Bios update could he do that? I already know how to do one.
muted patio
That's a BIOS update, doubt it will help with windows loading?
SOunds like memory OC may have corrupted something
drifting garnet
yeah me too, I don't know why he thinks that will help.
wanton cliff
A bios update may help if it’s corrupted
muted patio
Make sure the boot order in BIOS is set to UEFI device and not legacy
drifting garnet
So I will tell him to do the thing with the drives again.
wanton cliff
Could try and reinstall windows, see if that helps anything
drifting garnet
ok
muted patio
The boot device should say UEFI next to it
drifting garnet
It is in UEFI
So all good there.
I will tell him to try reinstalling the drives.
muted patio
Well, is it in EFI mode or does the actualy boot device say UEFI?
drifting garnet
UEFI
muted patio
k
drifting garnet
oh crap
He just told me it was his first time using his new 5800x with the motherboard, wtf.
Probably a bios update.
is needed
little osprey
What mobo?
small osprey
oh he didnt bios update
drifting garnet
Pretty much.
small osprey
tell him to flash the bios
drifting garnet
ok
little osprey
Some motherboards come pre-updated tho right?
muted patio
not yet
wanton cliff
Well there is your problem
I said a BIOS update would probably work
Well, not with a new cpu in already
But still
earnest olive
Zen2 doesn’t benefit from more than 3600mhz anyways
this depends on the cpu
many zen 2 chips are able to do >1800 fclk
wanton cliff
Doesn’t mean they will benefit
drifting garnet
I am almost elite
earnest olive
benefit may be small but there will still be a benefit unless you have to destroy your timings for more frequency
stoic island
1900mhz is usually the max people get
muted patio
Ye, except new AGESA supposed to make 2000 more stable
earnest olive
on zen 3
stoic island
We're talking zen 2 I think
earnest olive
not on zen 2
earnest olive
i'm completely stable at 1900 but 1933 won't boot
and i know that these ram modules are capable of 4333 decoupled
so it's just the cpu not being able to do >1900
stoic island
fun
drifting garnet
Over clok
wanton cliff
Over clok
earnest olive
wanton cliff
small osprey
kek
wanton cliff
STONK THEM NOW!!!
little osprey
Lol
drifting garnet
Ok anyone know how to fix this? He just upgraded his CPU.
drifting garnet
alrighty
muted patio
CPU drivers, Download now
Might be a BIOS setting also but not sure you can disable cores there
earnest olive
what cpu has a base speed of 4.4?
drifting garnet
So he probably has to get Ryzen master right?
earnest olive
or is that oc
earnest olive
anyways I believe this specific issue is actually a windows setting
give me a moment to find it
drifting garnet
Is Ryzen Master even worth getting if your not overclocking or anything?
earnest olive
try this:
run msconfig, go to the boot tab, go to advanced options, uncheck "select number of processors", restart system
see if all cores are showing up
drifting garnet
ok
earnest olive
ryzen master isn't particularly useful to keep around even if you are overclocking
muted patio
Don't need ryzen master
earnest olive
it's useful for testing different overclocks before putting it in bios settings
muted patio
Just the drivers from them lol
drifting garnet
When you go to drivers and software for his CPU, AMD Ryzen Master is the only thing that comes up.
drifting garnet
5800x
muted patio
Just go here and click Download Now. Should get the drivers anyway https://www.amd.com/en/support
Power plans, etc
boreal quiver
Does anybody have good ideas for a pc that's mid end that I'll be able to upgrade for around 1000
Or 1100?
earnest olive
power plans are from chipset driver
drifting garnet
That says Radeon drivers, those aren't for CPU.
muted patio
-_-
It will work
I did it for mine
Ignore the Radeon
"For systems with AMD Ryzen™ Chipsets, AMD Radeon™ Graphics, AMD Radeon Pro Graphics, and AMD Processors with Radeon Graphics Only"
earnest olive
drifting garnet
Same thing.
drifting garnet
Ok, I'm not sure if he even installed any drivers yet, I will ask.
He can also get the chipset driver from the motherboard website because I did that with mine and I have the same motherboard as him.
He says he broke his computer again so I don't even know wtf he is doing.
He's a little special
earnest olive
is there something wrong with the link I sent? like what is the point of willfully avoiding it
drifting garnet
no
he can do either one
He probably needs to go to the motherboard website anyway because he probably hasn't installed a single driver for the motherboard yet.
wanton cliff
TFW chat is dead
little osprey
How many vga cables do I need to 3080 fe?
drifting garnet
Imagine spending all that money on a GPU and having a VGA monitor.
drifting garnet
PCIe power cable
muted patio
Oh, the power cable
2 of them
Needs to be two separate cables, not one cable with two ends
drifting garnet
that's 2+6 right?
little osprey
Alright thank you !
wanton cliff
Only because I mentioned it to you earlier with talk of the CPU power cable
little osprey
Ok another question which one do I use while I wait for 3080 fe to drop
Nvm none of them have hdmi
drifting garnet
Do u think any of those would be good to put in my dads HP Pavillion Elite? It is from like 2010.
or 2009.
little osprey
No idea
drifting garnet
I might build another PC with my dad because he needs to upgrade from that old HP.
Although it still works ok.
And has SSD.
So not too bad.
But it is a Phenom 2.
hollow grail
Do u think any of those would be good to put in my dads HP Pavillion Elite? It i...
yes but so will a 710
little osprey
yes but so will a 710
Aka, the only non sold out GPU
As of 3 days ago anyways from what I saw on pcpp
wanton cliff
One of the M1 macbooks?
fossil halo
yes ma'am
2020 air
but holy cow mac os is literally alien language to me
i dont know how to do jack
fossil halo
i dont even use ios 😂
but like its not as intuitive as ios
generally i think that a lot of stuff that is considered basic in Samsung or windows devices is pretty complicated on ios and mac os
like with viewing files and settigns and stuff
and the keyboard
grand orchid
Hey quick question?
wanton cliff
Yeah?
grand orchid
So I won the newegg shuffle?
wanton cliff
So I won the newegg shuffle?
Oh nice
grand orchid
Paid 465 shipped and taxed
wanton cliff
Awesome
grand orchid
Already done
But
But
The board is micro atx
Its the auros pro
From gigabyte
wanton cliff
Ok and?